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Welcome to Louder Than Crowder, a podcast about the podcast louder with Crowder.
My name is Byron.
That was great.
Thanks.
In the studio, it's Dennis.
Welcome back.
I'm here.
Oh, this is the first time they're hearing me back.
Yeah, because we did drop that thing on Shrug.club.
Hey, I made it back for free.
And all the way from Occupied, Texas, it is Jared.
Just Jared, and I'm here, and it's nice to talk to you both.
I'm glad you said that, because if you said it's nice to talk to you, I would have assumed the whole show that you were not happy to talk to me, only happy to talk to Byron.
No, you both.
We've developed a really close relationship.
Dennis and Byron.
Byron and Dennis.
It's Italian versus currency this week as Steven and the gang struggle to justify a subway chokehold death, getting pretty unhinged along the way while firmly placing themselves alongside folks like Ben Shapiro and Matt Walsh, failing to understand the nuanced feelings American folks are having about this murder of the UnitedHealth CEO Brian Thompson situation.
They talk all about it in the December 10th episode of Louder with Crowder.
We're actually approaching the present.
What a gift.
What a gift.
Thank you.
A lovely gift from a lovely man named Steven.
Yeah.
You have a few seconds to, I don't know, catch folks up with what you've been doing.
Okay, so I'm now a Japanese national.
Interesting.
You did leave the country immediately.
Immediately, yeah.
Yeah, so I went to Japan.
I voted.
In Japan?
No, I voted in here in the United States.
Oh, good.
And then that same day I left.
You mailed it from Japan.
I had a complete breakdown in my hotel.
I ordered Cheesecake Factory that cost 96 fucking dollars.
You did room service cheesecake and then you were also...
I was live streaming with you so I had to order food in.
And you were in the wrong room, remember?
I was in the right room.
Someone tried to get in my room while we were live streaming.
That was wild.
And he came in and I was like, hey man, wrong room.
And he shows me the little Wi-Fi thing that has the Wi-Fi password.
Yeah, yeah, yeah.
And I was like, I understand that that's the room you're at, but I have this room currently.
I'm currently in this room.
I'm in it currently.
I have unpatched.
This is where I'm living tonight.
And so then I left the stream and I was like, goodbye.
You were toasted.
I had a mental breakdown, man.
I was a complete wreck.
Really?
Oh, yeah.
And then I was angry.
I was really angry all night.
Yeah.
And then I went to Japan and I ate a whole bunch of Konbini food.
Yeah.
That mayonnaise-flavored milk, viral.
Viral.
It was disgusting.
Not very good, huh?
No, it was so bad.
But I'm glad that I'm back.
You're welcome back.
I'm glad to be back.
I'm cleaning my house like crazy because my house feels cluttered as hell after being in a really clean place.
Getting rid of your bed frame.
I'm ready, yeah.
Tatami mats?
Tatami mats everywhere.
Yep, holes in the floor so we can hang our feet down like a little kotatsu table.
I don't know anything about that.
Kotatsu's are sick.
They're heated tables.
You picked them one hell of a time to return.
What are we talking about?
This week's a bit of a bummer.
But before we approach that, before we jump in, a light moment.
Last week's episode, I don't know if you were part of this or not.
I mentioned that Mug Club is now Rumble Premium.
They've merged.
I saw a post about it on our subreddit.
And this transition, none of the fans are enjoying it.
No.
Not having a great user experience.
But things are much better now.
Just to be really clear with you guys, some of you were noting that on mobile you thought everything was on Rumble Premium.
No, no.
All the free content is still free.
It's just on the mobile app.
It hasn't updated.
You might need to uninstall the app, reinstall it.
It's going to update this week.
We're on the phone with Rick.
Rick is pretty sure everybody's going to see a difference this week.
And there's more free content than ever, to be clear.
And then additional content, if you're a Rumble Premium member, and ad-free.
So you're not confused.
If there is premium content in an episode at all, it will say premium, but not premium only.
Right.
So Friday Show says premium only because it's all...
Just like you can watch right now, live, of course, for free, and then you continue if you're on Rumble.
Oh my god.
What the hell is going...
What?
What happened?
They didn't think this through at all.
The whole time I'm thinking I can no longer listen to them on anything except for the Rumble Premium app for free.
You were expressing some concern about that.
You're mistaken.
I don't know.
Give Rick a call.
Did they have Counter-Strike make their app?
Is that what they have?
So, Jared did mention that after about an hour, the show says the rest is for Rumble YouTube piss-off.
Is that what it says?
Yeah, and there was a cartoon that displays the logo of Rumble peeing on the YouTube logo.
Okay.
So, technically, that extra hour of content that used to just be Rumble exclusive is now Rumble Premium exclusive, and they have some technology that allows you to watch maybe the first hour live, and then it It continues on.
And if you're a premium member, you don't have to change the video that you click on.
It just automatically extends to the full length.
It's a mess.
So, a couple of yes or no questions.
Can you watch the entirety of the show for free?
No.
Okay.
But it's been like that for a while.
That was Mug Club exclusive before that.
Okay, gotcha.
So typically episodes are about an hour on the main feed and then there's another hour of content beyond that where they openly slur.
Okay, so you have to pay for the slurs.
Well, not all of them.
You get some for free.
Okay, great.
Awesome.
Premium profanity is what it is.
Is it just a different user experience then?
I'm kind of lost on...
That's the confusing thing that you'll have to ask Rick.
When you log into Rumble Premium, you don't have to do anything automatically, whether you're live streaming or replaying the videos.
I'm not.
It just goes.
Am I supposed to be selling this as an experience to them?
The bottom line is it's too fucking confusing.
It's important for us.
Yeah, if I can't figure it out and I'm like a tech guy...
And their app doesn't work to the point where you have to uninstall and reinstall it?
Yeah, that's fine.
That's hilarious.
In no world is there an app that...
You have to uninstall and reinstall it.
And that works?
That works for their app for some reason?
Come on!
Did you try turning it off and turning it back on?
What I found most funny about this was I was looking at our subreddit because I couldn't sleep last night, so I was Googling us to see what people were saying.
And on our subreddit about this, there were Steven Crowder fans, they were clearly fans, complaining about this.
Wait, really?
On ours?
Yeah, and it's like they were lost.
I don't know how they ended up at our subreddit, but they were...
Well, the names are pretty close.
Yeah, well, I think they ought to just search, you know, Rub Club, Rub Club.
Gross.
Gross, dude.
By the hour, too.
Yeah, Rump Club Premium, dude.
Missed you, Dennis.
Welcome back.
Come and go, as you mean.
Yeah.
First come, first come, dude.
What?
All right, let's get this show started.
Captain Morgan, CEO, you gave me the throat thing.
I don't think I did.
You did?
What?
While we're at it, I thought I'd bring a...
What is the throat thing?
The throat thing, yeah.
What is this?
You feeling better, though?
I am feeling a little bit better.
My voice is still a little wonky, but, yeah.
Are you feeling okay?
I have, yeah.
I just, you know, I had a fever crate, like, spiked out of nowhere, and then went away.
Yeah.
And now I just have a third thing.
It's been going around this office.
I just think there's something going around.
Everyone's immune system has been messed up the last three months.
I don't know what it is.
And I just get just the tip of it.
Which is why I have your throat thing.
What is this?
What is this?
That's the opening of the show.
Do we have that clip of Gerald going, ooh, or whatever?
I mean, obviously, they're sick.
Stephen gets sick all the time because he doesn't believe in germ theory.
It's fine.
It's no big deal.
They do believe in a sponsor that we're going to be talking about a little bit later that helps them get by, even though they're sick all the time.
And it spreads like wildfire through the office, but...
Maybe they shouldn't be hanging out so close.
They should quit roughhousing.
Yeah, quit doing the throat thing or whatever it's called.
You know, Gerald and likely everyone have been getting some of this, but what's the health of our third chair sitter?
And is it Josh?
Yeah, I woke up with a sore throat too.
I think it's because of my sinuses.
I got that clear.
I washed my nose this morning.
Yep, it does.
Well, I think that's why I've had, like, the fever, but I don't get the nasal congestion because this clears it out.
So I'm still able to breathe and be here with you, but I will lose my voice by the end of the day.
So clear with an X does clear it out.
We'll get into it a little bit later.
It's a nasal spray that has been sponsoring the show from time to time.
Are we going to try it?
We should give it a shot.
Should we see?
I don't know, actually.
After doing the research I did tonight, I'm not really sold.
Okay.
Josh is sick.
No one's feeling good.
Kickflip sick?
Sick, dude.
Nope.
They're radical.
Ill.
The radical right.
Nope.
Well, that is kind of funny.
But yeah, we've been having a little bit of fun here.
Just to set the tone of how we'd be talking about the Daniel Penny situation, here's a preview of what's coming.
I hope it happens again.
And again, and again, and again, and every time someone who chooses to violate the law and violate the fundamental human rights of their fellow American citizen, that there's a Daniel Penny to step in.
I don't hope that people die because of a chokehold that was applied too long, but that was a mistake.
There was no crime committed.
There was no misdeed committed.
I hope that for every violent criminal, every single one in the revolving door, especially in New York, of no cash bail, I hope that they run into Daniel Penney's again and again and again.
If I had my preference, it would be every single time.
Comment below.
It's not 2020. We can say it now, and you know most people agree.
I don't know about that.
I don't know about this Daniel Penny thing.
Oh.
It could be what I'm thinking about, but I'm not certain.
I think...
Is he the guy who was found not guilty?
Yes.
Of parents of a mentally disabled person or something?
Maybe mentally ill.
Most definitely autistic.
And parents called 911 because of...
No.
No.
Okay.
Then I don't know what happened.
So in May of 2023, this guy, he was a Michael Jackson impersonator.
Cool.
His name was Jordan Neely.
Okay.
He's a 30-year-old unhoused person with a history of mental illness.
He began shouting, telling people to give him food, kind of behaving erratically on the F train in New York.
Okay.
And Daniel Penny, who is a former military fellow.
Oh, I know this.
I know this.
Okay.
Got him in a chokehold and took him to the ground where he then held him in a chokehold.
Yeah.
For about six minutes.
Yep.
And he later died.
Yep.
So he should have died, right?
Well, again and again and again.
Any people yelling at folks in public?
Yeah.
Crime.
That's a crime and they need to be choke held until death.
Well, respect to Stephen said he hoped that they don't die.
But he does imply that...
It's a mistake.
It was just a mistake.
A little whoopsie.
Yeah.
And we'll dive pretty deep into this situation.
I mean, that's not far from it, though.
I think what's crazy is that Stephen feels strongly enough about this situation that he needs to assign the winner of it.
Yelling being...
Inappropriate.
Yeah, don't do it.
Inappropriate, but not worth a murder.
Dude, there's so much hypocrisy in the next hour of the show, it's going to make your head spin.
Something to look forward to.
Karen radio.
This guy didn't need to do what he did, and Stephen doesn't need to celebrate at all.
Not even a little bit.
That's just a little tease.
Speaking of teasing, Josh, comedian, right?
Yeah.
He makes a little joke, and then Stephen kind of confuses the whole room real quick.
Oh, no.
I don't care about their race either.
A Darnell penny, sure.
Right.
Yes.
Doesn't matter.
It doesn't matter.
It could be a Uyghur, for all I care.
And I still don't know what that is.
What?
No.
That's big of you.
Yeah.
Speaking of, uh, I don't know.
You don't.
What?
No, no, no.
I feel like we all know why he said it, huh?
Uh, because it's close to a different word.
Yeah, of course.
Yeah, yeah.
That's kind of the only explanation.
But does he not really know what that is?
I think he's got to know what a Uyghur is, right?
He talks about it all the time.
So wildly out of left field?
Yeah, what?
All right, man.
Well, okay.
Yeah.
He's just stirring the...
He's just fessing it.
Does it need a little bit more?
How do I say this?
How do I... Like a sporting event.
He's going to walk out into the middle of the dais, and he's going to address the Crowderheads, the Chatters, themselves, and he's just going to say, my fellow Chatters, N-word.
It might happen, and as I am a Rumble Premium member, I will be monitoring for that day.
Jared, you listened to the episode.
I'm going to skip over that news story about the Pope visiting a Bethlehem nativity scene with the Christ child sitting atop a Palestinian keffiyeh.
Yeah, that's fine, you know, because all I had to say about that was, this is what we're losing rainforests for, first off.
They did do some AI bits.
That's all what they're about now.
We got a premium to mid-journey and we're making just awful slop.
It's a trial subscription.
They're making fake emails.
But I did leave in this clip of Gerald just being full-blown Gerald.
He has a problem with the fact that...
I'll just play it.
It doesn't matter that it's their ancestral homeland, even though, to me, it kind of does.
You lost the war!
Yes.
That's what happens.
You're lucky we gave you a sliver of anything to be in.
When you lose a war, typically it's bye-bye.
It's a very new phenomenon where people who lose wars get to bitch about it.
I know.
And get a megaphone.
It used to be you were subjugated.
I don't like how you did this.
And you shut up.
Hey, by the way, do go to clear.
It's spelled xlear.
So I did leave that in as well to talk a little bit more about clear.
That's his pivot to the nasal thing?
Yeah.
Yeah.
Whoa!
First of all, addressing Gerald, believing that your entire country and potentially ethnicity should be gone if you lose a war.
Yeah.
It's kind of...
They don't call it ethnic cleansing for nothing.
It's cleansing!
Holy shit, man.
Oh my god.
And that reminds me of the sponsor of this show.
Yeah.
Great, thanks.
As clear, I look at cleansing.
Real quick, the Pope commented about this calling for an end of war and conflict, asking believers to, quote, remember the brothers and sisters who right there in Bethlehem and other parts of the world are suffering from the tragedy of war.
Enough war, enough violence, he said.
And then, because of folks like Steven Crowder, the day after this episode, they pulled that whole nativity scene down because it was too much.
Great.
I did forget to mention the entire episode started with this oddly serious ad for something called Clear, X-L-E-A-R, nasal drops.
I thought he was saying he was about to be leering, and it seemed like a real, like, standard thing.
That's just them.
Kind of normal from him.
Well, normal for folks who work at Louder with Crowder, it shows Josh sitting at a computer typing work, and he's got a stuffy nose.
He's sniffling.
So Tim, the tool man, of course, puts him in a chokehold and forced medication on him because the sound was annoying.
Josh likes it, and thanks to him.
Spitting all over himself.
As for anyone who ever advertises on the show, it is not without reason.
They even did some studies on COVID, which they were allowed to publish, and they were allowed to say that it deactivated COVID in the nasal cavity by 90-something percent, but they weren't allowed to say it on terrestrial radio.
Oh.
Didn't find anything about the 90-some percent.
Not sure if he said seven or some.
It's not a drug?
It is literally...
Like xylitol, you spray up your nose.
Yep, that is what it is.
Xylitol, saline, and I think something else, but...
All that aside, October 2021, the Federal Trade Commission filed a lawsuit against Clear Incorporated and its owner alleging violations of the COVID-19 Consumer Protection Act.
Okay.
This kind of reminds me of that colloidal silver situation.
Of course, yeah.
Yeah, the FTC. Giving people a wet brain or something like that.
It's putting like a layer of saline, like their chickens being fluffed for markets.
This is a little bit more gentle on the body, maybe so much so that it may or may not do anything.
The FTC accused Clear of falsely advertising its saline nasal sprays as an effective method to not only prevent COVID-19 but treat it, claiming the product offered up to four hours of protection and should be used as part of a layered defense against the virus.
It's xylitol.
Yeah, it's xylitol.
Stuff gum up your nose.
Sure.
The lawsuit seeks to impose monetary penalties on Clear and bar the company from making unsupported claims.
The FTC argues that Clear lacks competent and reliable scientific evidence to support its assertions about the nasal spray's efficacy in treating or preventing COVID. But despite receiving these warnings from the FTC, they are allegedly continuing to make deceptive and misleading statements about the product's ability to combat the virus.
Still?
Will, I mean, you just heard it, right?
Oh, yeah, yeah, yeah, of course.
They get around it by saying, like, they can't talk about this on terrestrial radio, but there's these studies.
It's kind of like asking its audience or the audience of the people that are advertising for them to do their own research in a way, right?
Totally, yeah.
From their website, they say researchers at Utah State University performed research to show that xylitol blocked viral adhesion on human airway tissue.
Though a similar study was performed previously using industry standards performed on vitro kidney tissue, which a lot of stuff is, and it's proven to not be effective, things like ivermectin, you know.
The FTC required a higher standard study to show efficacy.
This study, using the higher standard, shows that xylitol and other sugar alcohols block adhesion on different viruses to different degrees.
Great.
Very clear answer.
No pun intended.
Wow.
Well, I did...
Recently they've been pushing back a little bit based on a different study of over 500 people, double-blind, peer-reviewed...
Nah, that's bullshit, dude.
I don't know how much of it is bullshit, but basically the results are saying that it may have some...
Effect in lowering transmission.
They tested it on healthcare professionals in hospitals in 2021. Folks who use just saline, 97 cases out of the 250-ish people.
And then people who use xylitol, it was only 36 cases out of that 250. So 13.1% to a 34.5%.
So one thing I'll say about this is that one of the big issues with all of this, and it was during COVID times, is that making the claims without the studies is dangerous.
Very much so.
Even if what you claim is correct, it might not be, and that's dangerous.
Well, and then there's the things that they're claiming to use it for.
Like, all the claims that Stephen has made so far are saying that it is making symptoms less severe, making him healthier sooner, things like that.
And there was a study looking at Clear and xylitol sprays in August of 2022. They found that there is nothing to suggest that it could help.
I mean, he's a paid spokesperson.
Of course he is.
The exact same as when Tom Selleck, I think it is, Not Tom.
Yeah, Tom Selleck.
If I thought that these reverse mortgages weren't good for elderly folks, I wouldn't put my name behind it.
Sure.
He's doing infomercials for his people.
Yeah.
Do you think that the people of Clear are like, hey, let's get up Steven Crowder's audience.
Like, they definitely don't trust the mainstream media, so we can get them.
I mean, where else do you think that this company is advertising their stuff?
I don't know.
I'm always surprised at some of the ads I hear on Matt Walsher.
Sure.
These guys are, like, reaching out, actually, probably, to XLEAR, because...
When I think about Steven Crowder and I think about people that I've known in my past, to find out that if Steven Crowder was an Afrin guy and he had an Afrin budget, he's doing the pump mist or the no drip Afrin stuff.
You know, when we're out drinking, you want to do a little hit of that devil's cocaine.
You know, just pull out the Afrin and do some of that, Josh.
The Crowder show has so much Afrin just going out the wallet.
They're like, I think it's time.
Guys, we have a cigar guy, okay?
We need to get an Afrin guy, too.
And that's where they landed with Exley.
Well, they had a wine guy, and now he works on the show.
I can't wait for this guy to also be employed.
This is a show that's being funded by their vices.
Yeah.
Damn.
And the guns, too, remember?
Oh, man.
Yeah, guns.
We got guns on the desk.
This is a show about vice.
Maybe we're like...
Within this randomized, double-blind, controlled trial of 50 people, it was determined that there's no statistically significant difference between xylitol and saline.
Sure.
In terms of...
Keep your nose moist.
Yeah.
Well, it does help.
It does help.
It clears out your nose.
Yeah, but what if you're doing it two, three times an hour?
Great.
Alright, let's get to it.
On December 4th, 2024, Brian Thompson, familiar?
CEO of UnitedHealthcare.
He was fatally shot outside the New York Hilton Midtown Hotel in Manhattan.
It happened around 6.45 in the morning, bright and early, as Brian was walking into an investor's meeting, which was Probably going to be pretty boring anyway, right?
The suspect allegedly fired three shots from a suppressed 9mm pistol, striking Brian in the back.
It sounded like Steven Crowder doing a scene change.
Of course, noodles on the board over there.
Ouch.
The shooter escaped via e-bike into Central Park.
He hopped on a lime.
It's...
I actually don't know the brand that he did use.
Okay, so he escaped to Central Park and then he ditched a backpack, right?
Well, yeah, and I don't think we're going to talk about that.
But with all that said...
The suspect in the UnitedHealthcare CEO shooting was the primary suspect right now.
I have to be careful.
We don't know if this is the actual killer, though it seems...
Highly likely.
...pretty clear.
Name, Luigi Mangione, was apprehended.
And a lot of people are surprised that this person was apprehended, how it all sort of came to be.
Though I will say we probably should have known as much considering the leaked audio that was available.
It just wasn't widely covered from a bystander of the shooting.
So we got a joke coming up?
What do you think it's going to be?
I think it's definitely going to be Luigi from Mario.
I'm a Luigi!
Here we go!
Oh yeah!
Bingo.
That was terribly...
Like, it was a dumb joke.
You hear the reaction in the room, too?
Oh, you didn't cut anything?
No, that was them.
Yeah, it was bad joke, bad edit.
All of it sucks.
Yeah, I'm wondering why they're so cautious in terms of identifying this potential shooter.
I hope Nintendo sues them, because Nintendo sues so hard.
I mean, they did say they have half-Asian lawyer Bill Richman on retainer for reasons like that.
They're like, we're waiting for the call from Nintendo, they said.
Great.
But why are they being so cautious when it comes to allegedly?
Allegedly, yeah, yeah, yeah.
It's interesting.
Yeah, they're always very quick to talk about these things.
Well, I honestly think that...
Well, they used to be.
There was some wild fallout for Matt Walsh and Ben Shapiro both got...
Like, their base, like, turned on them hard when talking about them.
Oh, we'll get into that.
But no, specifically in this case, I think they're being cautious because they were being sued after Marcuccio Garcia, the Allen Mall shooter.
They misidentified him and put the picture of a different Marcuccio Garcia on the screen.
Sure, they're being sued over it?
Well, they're actively being sued by the same guy.
Like right now?
I reached out to Mark Bankston, who just so happened to be the person who was suing Alex Jones on behalf of the victims of the scene.
Of the parents of the victims of the Sandy Hook shooting.
He is the one who is in charge of this same lawsuit, which is targeting folks like Steven Crowder.
Tim Pool also showed the Mercutio Garcia photos.
Sure.
I think that that is probably Newsmax as well.
Probably the reason that he's being so cautious when he comes to naming folks potentially.
You nailed the Mario.
It was really funny.
Oh, it was great.
Everyone was laughing.
The coin noises were awesome.
AI too, do you think?
Or...
I didn't watch the video version of that.
Was there a video?
They, I think, showed, like, Luigi's face, and then they...
That's pretty much it.
That's it?
Great.
After a manhunt with only a handful of hunky-faced covered CCTV images released, Luigi Mangione...
Was arrested on December 9th at a McDonald's in Altoona, Pennsylvania.
Was it the one that Trump worked at?
It was not.
It was a different one.
That wasn't Pennsylvania, was it?
Where was that one?
I think it was Pennsylvania.
I wish it was the same one.
That'd be awesome.
They get more Yelp reviews again.
Shit!
Goddammit!
Felice found a firearm fake IDs in writing expressing animosity towards Corpo America in his possession, so it does seem it's safe to say it's probably him.
That's allegedly him.
Okay, thanks for covering my ass, Dennis.
We talked in our Shrug Club exclusive.
Gently about this.
Yeah, you asked me what I thought Stephen was going to say about this.
Uh-huh, yeah.
Do you remember what I said?
I don't.
I don't think he's going to have a hard, firm stance on it.
Yeah, and I think he's really right.
He'll probably dance it a little bit.
I don't know that you're going to find an ideology, because some people are trying to say, this person was clearly left, this person was clearly right.
I've been pouring through this, and it seems like this may just be someone who is very privileged.
Mm-hmm.
Who was some kind of an ideologue, because being an ideologue is kind of a privilege of the wealthy, or it's a luxury, I should say, who maybe just snapped.
You owe me a Coke, at least.
Yeah, I do.
I brought you a soda today.
I don't think this person is primarily concerned with being caught.
I still stand by that.
If you consider that this person was at a McDonald's, not all that far away, considering that they could have gotten onto a flight with the weapon in question.
And on paper, a really smart guy.
Well, actually, this person was, we also know, a valedictorian.
Here's actually a clip from Luigi's graduation speech to his classmates.
You heard this?
I think Great Ideas, however, isn't enough to innovate.
The class of 2016's inventiveness also stems from its incredible courage to explore the unknown and try new things.
Like murder.
What a stupid setup.
That was probably the laziest joke of the night.
Try new things.
Like murder.
Like murder.
Great.
Great work.
I mean, let's just keep rolling.
It seems like this guy is all over the place.
And here's what I will say.
It's something that's often overlooked.
There is a problem with...
Intellectualism in this country, and by that I mean idolizing intellectualism because you will have people who make that their entire identity.
And going through this person's social media posts, through Luigi's social media posts, seeing them respond to Chris Williamson, Andrew Huberman, Peter Thiel, I believe Jordan Peterson as well.
There were some comments I saw with Tucker Carlson.
But then also taking into account that this person left a review of the Unabombers manifesto.
This person seems primarily concerned With appearing hyperly intelligent.
Interesting.
He obviously...
He's pointing out the big problem.
Of course, yeah.
The problem is that people are too...
Once they get educated, they get woke.
Well, and then they kill folks.
If you're too smart, you might catch on.
You might snap.
Stay dumb.
Stay dumb, crowders.
Well, and the cool thing he's about to do, so he just ran through a list of folks that Luigi interacted with on social media.
Of course, he's gonna, you know, forget about all of the ideological bent of their posts.
Of course.
And jump to the Ted Kaczynski.
Of course.
Yeah, absolutely.
Because intellect with no moral compass, it doesn't go anywhere good.
That's what we know.
Here's the review, too, from the Univomers manifesto from this guy, Luigi.
He said, it's easy to quickly and thoughtlessly...
Write this off as the manifest of a lunatic in order to avoid facing some of the uncomfortable problems it identifies, but it's simply impossible to ignore how prescient many of his predictions about modern society turned out.
Then he did say that the Obama was rightfully imprisoned.
Went on to talk about how you kind of ignore this at your own peril.
This seems like a guy who wanted to leave a large footprint online.
And wanted to leave a legacy that he was a hyper-intellectual.
Huge footprint.
Yeah, well, yeah, we got a lot to address there.
Huge footprint would mean you wouldn't be able to not see this guy online.
Yeah, I mean, he...
If you search for him, yeah, you'll find his shit.
I think he reviewed, like, 25 books or something on Goodreads.
I mean, I've...
You should check out my Letterboxd account.
Sure.
I like watching films.
I have, like, probably recorded 3,000 films I've watched.
You care deeply about your legacy.
Yeah.
Well, that's exactly the only reason I'm doing it, not because I have an interest in something.
You know, what's interesting about this is that that review of the book, nothing about that screams, I'm going to go kill people.
No.
No, it's just saying...
It's honestly a good book.
I'm sure that it is.
It's just, he's saying, hey, this guy had crazy predictions about the way the world was turning out, and they happened to be right.
He should be in jail because he's a criminal and terrible.
He killed people.
Yeah, yeah.
Well, I think he said that too.
He agreed with that as well.
Yeah, he's just saying, listen, these points that he made, you guys should recognize that he was making these points.
That's all.
That's too smart for his own good.
Wild.
He's part of the problem.
Wild stuff, man.
He's smart.
Too smart.
But, of course, where you are, again, going to focus exclusively on the scary big guy, not all of the other, you know.
Of course.
What did he say?
Peter Thiel?
He's not going to address that at all.
What about that?
That he interacted with tweets from of his oh, yeah the same with Andrew Huberman, which I don't know He's kind of adjacent.
He's just kind of like a self-optimization guru style guy I don't I don't listen to his podcast I know another co-host of mine does listen to his stuff, which is kind of interesting But do you have any thoughts on any of the folks that Luigi, you know cross paths with?
online on Twitter Jared Yeah.
Yeah, he's like Che Guevara.
He's talking to freaking Stalin.
Can you believe he's talking to Stalin on this?
This guy was freaking talking to the Karl Marx bot.
Can you believe this?
It's going back and forth with him.
What about Jordan Peterson?
Oh.
Well, that's kind of interesting, right?
He was talking to JP? Well, I mean, talking at him is the other thing that's important.
Yeah, that's what's...
These could be as simple as, like, Jordan Peterson posting something and Luigi saying, what the fuck is this all about?
I mean, he didn't say that.
I did record all of his Twitter before.
I think it actually might still be up, but...
Either way, he was just having thoughtful discord back and forth.
And Steven's not talking about what's being said here.
No.
Because he knows that it's not going to help him with anything.
Of course not.
Well, I don't think we're also ignoring that he was also talking to John Connor's friend Tim Cookie from Terminator 2. Yeah.
We know he was up to no damn good.
He had that credit card reader.
Do you remember that?
He's lying to the cops.
Crowder hates this kid.
Sure.
I mean, it looks like he followed Joe Rogan and Jordan Peterson.
Okay.
Screenshots they're showing that he's against wokeism.
Mm-hmm.
Yes.
And had at least one clip showing Tucker Carlson.
Yeah, great.
Probably one from The End of Men.
Of course.
Great documentary.
Great documentary.
Really great stuff.
But there is one thing, Dennis, that is for sure.
Mm-hmm.
One thing that is for sure is the media's handling of this and the left's treatment and the left's venerating of this person in comparison to the condemnation of, I believe, a hero, Daniel Penny.
Not a hero in that he saved tons of people or he stopped a terrorist attack, but someone who tried to do the right thing.
I think the intent here matters.
Someone on Twitter.
Oh, yeah.
Viva Frey made a good point on Twitter saying it's been five days and we know more about Luigi than we do about Matthew Crooks after five months.
Interesting.
A little too much of a good thing.
Six minutes too long, I guess, of a chokehold.
Yeah.
He's a hero.
Yeah.
Gosh.
We covered this yesterday live on here.
And the left is entirely predictable.
And it's important that you understand why.
We absolutely called it, right?
You called it yesterday when the left said this stuff.
Or when they announced this, we knew what the left was going to say.
So I think it's time for a Crowder called it.
Okay.
Come let Zoltar tell you more.
I'm going to let the next pitch ball right past the flag.
We're going to win the game.
I guarantee you.
Watch the media talk about this.
I guarantee you they're not talking about it right now.
They're not.
But watch them when they do talk about this.
It'd be a negative thing.
It'd be somber.
He's a fucking prophet.
He can see into the future.
Steven?
Yes.
I know, he's incredible.
The media's gonna be upset that Daniel Penny, the guy who choke-held a mentally ill man on the subway to his death for six minutes?
They should be praising him.
Well, yeah.
If the world was just, they would be.
If the world was just, then unhoused people wouldn't exist.
You just keep making it illegal.
That's true.
I mean, oddly enough, that is true.
In a positive way, that is very true.
Well, you called it.
I'm going to play the Zoltar song.
That's a new bit we haven't heard yet, right?
Crowder called it?
I think we've mentioned that before, but I don't remember hearing anything about Zoltar.
I feel like I remember the Zoltar before, though, actually.
Oh, maybe we have done a Crowder called it.
Yeah.
So sorry to be dragging us into this, but...
The left cannot, in this instance, they can't do what we've done on the show.
We say, well, that seems like it was a bad shoot, or this police officer is in the wrong here.
You've never heard us say, we back the blue across the board, because there are some good cops, there are some bad cops.
The left can't say, you know what, okay, this was a violent felon.
This was someone who was basically harassing in a nuisance to his fellow New Yorkers, and maybe not this guy.
No, no, no.
They have to, once this achieves, or once this reaches a certain public profile, a story like, they have to make it, black people.
White.
They have to make it class warfare.
They have to make it racially.
Because if it's not racially based, then the left, these race peddlers, are out of a job.
I didn't know it was race at all until Stephen mentioned it.
That's interesting.
I had no idea.
Has that changed the way you see this?
No, not at all.
Steven really said, the left can't even see it from our eyes, that this guy was a nuisance on the subway.
Yeah, he's the scourge.
He's fucking dead, man!
When you scare folks, you don't deserve to die.
But Steven might have a different opinion about that.
We'll show it on the other end of the show.
What in the world?
The last time I was on the subway in New York, this guy rapped to his own face and his reflection for about 20 years.
And he was doing dance moves and big shoulder moves and stuff like that.
He got off and right before he did, he turned and he looked at everyone on the car and he said...
I hate this fucking train and I hate everyone on it.
And then he got off and that was it.
No one reacted.
There wasn't a hero who murdered him out in front?
Well, if he's dancing and he's upset, then yeah, someone should have grabbed him and held him by the neck.
I have to admit, curmudgeon, I don't like it when they do dancing on the New York subway.
I've been on there.
It is a minor inconvenience for me.
I bet it's pretty obnoxious.
But here's the thing.
We exist in a world of people.
People do things we don't like sometimes.
And it's okay.
It's okay.
Sort of like what you expect in these situations.
If you have this many personalities, you're just going to have some diversity of thoughts.
Can I share what it's like in Japan on the train?
Well, that's probably really nice.
It's silent.
Nobody talks.
It is quiet.
You can be in a train with literally in one car, like 200 people, and it's just like...
Yeah, but where's the spice, Dennis?
There is no spice.
Exactly.
The only time it's loud is when there's tourists on board.
Yeah, yeah.
Regardless.
I've never heard Steven say that a shooting wasn't good.
Exactly, yeah.
Or that a cop was bad either.
He's never said a cop was bad.
He wouldn't talk about it.
That would not make his story radar.
Sure, yeah.
Because he couldn't use that.
Yeah, and also, I think a lot about this.
This is like, you know, all shootings are justified kind of thing.
Same thing with these anti-establishment treatments.
He doesn't care about clear nasal spray, but because it's anti and because it's being stepped on by the boot of science, he's like, I gotta support it.
I have to lift him up.
This is how he remains the underdog.
Gotta be king underdog.
He just keeps winning, though, too, because technically Daniel Penny did get off.
He was acquitted of the charges.
Interesting.
This is a weird year for him, huh?
Leftists, they can't stop once things get going.
That's right, dude.
We explode.
Well, yeah, we've gone too far on the story.
Watch me explode!
What's that?
Because I'm TNT. Great.
But once it gets to the point where it's hit critical mass and people are paying attention, the left will always say that this is a byproduct of systemic racism.
They cannot...
Pivot from that.
I hope you understand that.
So know this going forward.
Just like any time there's a mass shooting, they will have to immediately go to gun control, even if we see that this is someone like the Nashville Manifesto, even if we see that this is someone who is radicalized in the public school system or is clearly a leftist ideologue.
It is very easy to predict these patterns.
And I'm going to tell you something.
This is a rare moment in history.
It's not working anymore.
The moment I go into the hospital and say my bone might be broken, they go right to x-rays.
Every time.
They jump right to x-rays.
This is ridiculous.
It's so predictable.
It is so predictable.
It's predictable.
Just like if, you know, there's a mass shooting where people die in gun violence.
They're going to say it's a shooting.
It's ridiculous.
You know, I'll be the bigger person here.
It seems like Daniel Penny was acquitted of these charges.
But the death of this person can still be a byproduct of systemic racism.
Whether or not Daniel Penny was actively being racist, just the situation that we found ourselves in as a country, that can still be reflected.
You know, I mean, like, today's the day you're a hero.
This isn't the first time you've seen this, but today's the day that you're the hero on the subway.
And what could influence that, you know?
Yeah, it just happened to be a black guy.
It's not like you don't see something, something every day.
How often are you on the subway?
Does he live here?
Is this, like, a new thing?
Is he like, why do New Yorkers put up with this shit?
I'm putting this guy down because I'm from the Rust Belt.
I'm from Nebraska.
And no one ever would do this in my cowboy town.
There is a difference between being acquitted and being like morally innocent.
Acquitted just means that you just can't prove it beyond a reasonable doubt, right?
Regardless, the actions of Penny, that person is dead, right?
And I can't say it's because of him, because that's what we can't prove, right?
But that person didn't, he didn't help the person.
And he didn't need to die.
Yeah, the guy did not need to die.
And he wouldn't have died if this person didn't put him in a chokehold.
That's what he's acquitted of specifically.
Well, he could have restrained him in a different way, and I guarantee...
Sharpshooter.
Boston Crab.
Great.
Sure.
All kinds of...
Puts him in an arm bar.
So many different kinds of holds.
We skipped over one clip that Stephen pulled of AOC talking about how Daniel Penny was not remorseful and said he would do it again if he had the chance.
Figure four leg lock.
It's another option.
Great option.
But that, I think that's the problem.
He doesn't have any remorse.
No.
And that's...
What bothers me the most about all of this, and the same thing here, or the same thing with a lot of these things, is it's like, the situation is bad.
Mm-hmm.
It doesn't have a winner.
Things don't have winners and losers sometimes.
This whole situation was bad.
Somebody's dead.
This guy was involved.
This guy was a nuisance, which apparently justifies death.
We'll get to that.
That's what I cannot wrap my head around.
Think about George Floyd.
When he was killed, everyone said, oh, he died because of whatever.
He died because of...
He was convicted, wasn't he?
Derek Chauvin?
He was convicted?
Yes, he was convicted.
I think we're going to talk to Chauvin, aren't we?
I don't know if I kept all of that in, but they definitely talk about George Floyd and victim blame a little bit there.
Yeah, people will say, oh, he was on drugs, da-da-da-da-da-da.
That's not justification for killing somebody.
Especially someone being a nuisance.
That's like me walking by a busker who's playing an out-of-tune guitar and just stabbing him in the face.
It's like if you're drunk driving and you hit a car that has no seatbelts.
And then you're like, well, they wouldn't have died if they had seatbelts in their car.
Well, how about you don't drunk drive into them?
Yeah, right.
They made a mistake and you made a mistake and it led to fucking disaster.
Yeah.
Of course, Steven then starts doing a compilation of mostly black voices reacting to the verdict.
I bet this will be really nice.
Yeah, and this is just a selection of that.
The system is rigged.
It's not.
I wasn't surprised at the verdict.
Was it the right verdict?
Absolutely not.
I think he should have been found guilty of crony, negligent homicide.
But I wasn't surprised given where it was tried, New York County and the jury pool that you have in New York County.
No justice!
No peace!
No justice!
No peace!
No justice!
America, do better.
I am actually really sad and disgusted with the system, and it's time, y'all.
It's time for us to go to war.
I said what I said.
Well, see you on the battlefield, sir.
You're seeing from a mile away with that lip.
How do I reload this?
This is silly.
Why don't you put bullets in like a circle?
Why is it like in a flat box?
Jared, that advanced racism is...
Yeah, you guys like that?
Are you painfully aware of it now?
Do they have that on a soundboard?
Yeah, they soundboard it.
Or they add it to the clips when they export it.
Imagine being a producer for the show.
You have racist beep.
Yeah, being like...
Racist dead battery.
Like at home and being like...
Hey, how did it work go?
I was so fucking bad.
I forgot to add the racist beep.
And Stephen yelled at me for like an hour about it.
And I guess for people who didn't listen to the episode where we talked about it, this is some advanced racism where it's a sound of a chirping, dying smoke detector.
Smoke detector, yeah.
Which they believe is code for a poor black.
And then, of course, making fun of the way that they're speaking.
Yeah, correcting the pronunciation.
Josh snickering about that.
I was going to say uncharacteristic, but it's becoming more and more...
Yeah, he's more comfortable a year in.
And it's going to be crazy, but in different parts of the country, people speak differently.
Yeah.
And different people speak differently.
They live in Texas.
The classic language, descriptive.
Like Byron and I say beg differently.
I do too, and I get shit for it.
I don't know how I say it.
You say it with an A-Y, B-A-Y-G, beg?
I say beg.
Yeah, B-A-Y-G, beg.
But the thing is that if Byron said that, I would be like, make fun of me, dude.
Beg, beg.
But regardless, that's obviously playful humor.
The thing is, you're just being racist about it.
Yeah.
Like if someone said ax, I bet he'd be like, it's ask.
Ugh.
Why'd you do it so loud?
So you could fix it in post?
Thanks.
Sorry you're being so racist.
He's a racist guy.
Yeah.
And by the way, we're talking about vigil...
We need black vigilantes!
56% of murders in this country are committed by black Americans, despite only making up 13% of the population.
So I'm sure a few of them are vigilantes.
Percentage went up?
Yeah, 91% of black murders are committed by black people.
So, hey, look, I'm willing to bet that there are a few vigilantes.
As a matter of fact, you probably, as a percentage, you definitely have more vigilantes than we do.
Yikes.
I don't know if we've addressed this in the past.
He just refuses to look at factors about why that statistic may be.
He doesn't care.
He doesn't think he cares about the context of crime statistics, socioeconomic factors.
I'm gonna twist your arm.
I'm gonna make you holler.
I'm not gonna listen to none of this.
Well, actually, of course it's socioeconomic factors, not race that drive crime rates.
That's...
Yes.
Research shows that.
Of course, yeah.
And that a lack of education, poverty, and limited economic opportunities are the things that drive violent crime.
And it's all generational.
Uh-huh.
Yeah.
And this disproportionately affects black communities.
Yes.
Because of?
They're criminals.
Nope, because history.
What?
Yeah, and systemic racism.
I was going to say criminals, too.
Sure.
This is like when people say that Kamala being related to a slave owner is because she used to own slaves or something.
Interesting.
Huh.
Have you heard that argument?
No.
People will be like, did you know that...
I don't know if it's Kamala or somebody else, but did you know they're descendants from slave owners?
So are they innocent?
No, you should...
You got to throw them in the fire.
How do you think that that breeding happened?
You have part of the answer, but you're not going to actually look for the right thing.
I don't think a statistic is right.
Not to my knowledge.
I don't think it matters.
I mean, I definitely don't think it matters.
But it's, like you said, it's socioeconomic stuff.
And these are symptoms of problems, right?
It's not like these are the reasons these things happen.
It's like meme data, right?
It's something you can read on your phone without having to pinch zoom into the actual details.
Something that he...
Here, I've actually found what he's referring to, I think.
Oh, yeah?
Yeah, I think so.
Are you sending it over?
Yeah, I can.
Let me...
Page isn't available.
Okay.
Well, that doesn't seem good, does it?
Let me see the post anyway.
Okay.
Actually, it's not even...
First off, black background, right?
And we have a pistol.
That's the bullet point, of course.
Okay.
And this is a shout-out to Peggy for sharing this.
Pissing off the liberals in 3, 2, 1, go!
Whites killing blacks, 2%.
Police killing whites, 3%.
Whites killing whites, 16%.
Blacks killing whites, 81%.
Police killing blacks, 1%.
And underneath all of those guns, all five of those gun points, it says blacks killing blacks, 97%.
And then in yellow text, America does have a problem, but it's not what the media tells you it is.
Oh my god.
A star at the bottom, stats from Wikipedia.
I'll send you this article that they're pulling from Discord here.
It's people who think that a single fact can stand on its own and tell an entire story.
Yeah.
And it's just not like that.
I mean, Stephen thinks that this is an hour-long episode.
He can explain this, lay this whole thing out in 15 minutes of a segment.
It's so much deeper than that.
It's so much deeper.
Like, he's not wrong.
I mean, most violent crimes are within the same race.
of violence more often and unjustly at the hands of police or well he's ignoring the fact that that same stat also says that black Americans are more likely to be murdered as if that's not something we should be worried about as well three times more likely than white people to be victims Yeah, and it's like he would say that's because black people are criminals.
He's ignoring the fact that it's victims.
If I told him, hey, Stephen, did you know that white men are 9.3 times more likely to be victims of XYZ? It'd be his huge talking point.
Of course.
Yeah.
Even that once dead has multiple sides.
This is actually kind of fun, too.
From, like, the actual statistics of, like, what this is, it's just, like, more information about how violent crime is just on the decline across America, period.
Dude, it's higher than it's ever been.
Of course.
You can't go into cities without roaming gangs.
Wait, so, I honestly don't know how you do this unless it is legitimately, like, you're just looking at memes or you're looking at headlines.
That's all they're doing.
That's what they're doing.
Headlines and memes.
It's rage bait.
It's just rage bait.
Yeah.
You want to live with the Jordan Neelys of the world?
Fine.
You need that acceptable.
We don't.
You want to say it's because we're white, because we're Latino, Latina, Asian, or black in the suburbs, which means they're an Uncle Tom?
Fine.
I accept it.
You can live in that squalor.
That's not the America we choose to live in.
And I hope that Daniel Penny is the brick wall that you run into again and again and again and again.
You know, despite the problems that Jordan Neely had, I will choose to live in a world with people who are struggling with Yeah.
So Jordan, his mom was killed by her then-boyfriend, was strangled.
And Jordan's dad had left, so he went up for adoption.
And he was diagnosed with autism.
There's just massive amounts of trauma in this poor guy's life.
And he was struggling to live within society.
Do you want to live with that, though?
Do you want to live in a world where people struggle?
If we're going to talk about...
Oh, man, that's deep.
You know, the luxuries of the wealthy, like he was talking about with the other, the killer here.
Yeah, yeah, yeah.
I'm sorry.
I think that part of being part of society is living with people who aren't perfect.
Yeah, of course.
Well, like, here's the thing.
Stephen's not perfect.
No.
He doesn't know anything about the victim in this story.
Like, he doesn't.
He knows all the bad things.
I know.
He's going to talk about them.
He knows a few things about them.
But he's acting like...
When he says, do you really want to live with the Jordan Neelys of the world?
He's saying, like, if I were, like...
Do you want to live with another Hitler?
But what he's really saying is, do you want to live with the broken people?
Yeah.
Which is something that his Lord Jesus might be interested in.
Yes!
You know, living in the world of the Jordan Neelys.
You should be lifting them up.
You should be doing whatever you can to help people get by.
Does he have a parody of that Lord Lift Me Up song?
I don't think Gerald's would like that.
Lord, lift me up!
Okay.
Welcome back.
Glad you're here.
I don't know.
I think that that was a foolish misstep, but that's not going to be the last.
Well, it's just, I mean, most of this is just Stephen being racist.
I don't think he's, I don't think he's shitty on this person because they're black, but I think that he doesn't care about them and they are black.
Yeah.
But I feel like if this was, I don't know this for certain, but I feel like if this was a white person, Stephen would be acting differently.
I think he would.
Unless they were clearly a liberal white person, then he wouldn't care at all.
I think you're right.
That's my prediction.
But instead of calling for black vigilantes, how about we call for black fathers?
No, no, no, no.
That's white supremacy.
It's not white supremacy.
That's a byproduct of Western white supremacy patriarchy, as you see from Black Lives Matter, as you see from the feminist LGBTQ, AIP, gay shtapo, right?
So, hey, honestly, do you think Jordan Neely would have been better off?
If he hadn't been abandoned into foster care?
If he had a dad?
Hey, do you think that maybe...
Do you think maybe Jordan Neely would not only still be alive if dad was still there, but do you think that maybe in 2015 he wouldn't have kidnapped a seven-year-old girl?
Think that maybe if he had a dad, instead of being abandoned into the foster care system by 2019, he wouldn't have punched a 64-year-old man in the face?
Or in 2021, punching a 67-year-old woman in the face, fracturing her nose and her skull?
There was an active warrant...
For his arrest at the time of his death, to be clear, while he was committing another crime.
Well, the warrant was attached to one of those assaults in 2021. But yeah, I don't know.
He might have been better off if his dad was in his life.
But, his dad was not in his life.
And also, if someone's dad is not in their life, is that their responsibility?
No.
Yeah.
He's a victim.
Yeah, exactly.
He's a victim.
And I'll tell you right now, my dad was abandoned to foster care, and my dad was adopted.
Yep.
Does my dad deserve death?
Well, I mean, look...
Well, no, he didn't deserve death.
Exactly.
I'm just saying, like, that is such a shitty take.
Yeah.
Like, you...
You see the victim of a story and you blame them for being the victim of the story.
Like, it is the clearest victim blaming I've ever seen in my entire life.
Should that guy have done any of those terrible things that Stephen talked about?
Of course not.
And I'm not condoning any of those things.
But that thing is not mutually exclusive to caring for him as a human being and wanting to empathize with the fact that he was killed unjustly.
Would you be surprised to know that one of those things was not accurate that he stated?
I would not be surprised at all!
And it might be the thing that he continues to bring up throughout this too.
Of course.
Is it a kidnapping thing?
Of course.
Of course.
Yeah.
I struggled to find the source of this claim.
The thing it kept coming back to was a tweet from Vivek Ramaswamy.
Nice.
Cool.
As well as his personal LinkedIn page where he also posted this with no context.
I eventually found it as part of what a cop stated in a New York Daily News article once, which it said he was, quote, So it seems like,
if those are the words that came out of the cop's mouth and those are the results of this proceeding, It was not a clear case of kidnapping a seven-year-old girl.
And it also sounds like he was sentenced to four months in jail.
Exactly.
And he was tried by our justice system, given an appropriate punishment.
They determined it was endangering the welfare of a child, not kidnapping.
And then did he serve those months in jail?
I don't know.
I think he did.
Sure.
The justice system played its role.
They're acting like every crime is deserving of the death penalty.
Same thing happened here.
I won't talk about that, actually.
A lot of folks like this just think that any criminal, they're all the same.
All crime is the same severity, right?
Dude, you have no idea how locked in you are to Stephen's thoughts right now.
I hate it, man.
I mean, and also, yeah, they list this dramatic number.
I think, again, it won't be the last thing they mention it.
40-some people.
Arrests.
I would argue that most people have been a criminal of some kind in their time.
Yeah.
Minor stuff.
I'll explain something.
I've jaywalked, dude.
Don't do that, dude.
I've jaywalked.
Don't admit that.
Is there a statute of limitations on jaywalking?
Daniel Penny just kicks in your door.
Oh my gosh!
He's got the gloves on and everything.
The system failed him?
Really?
I think we do have a failed system where if someone can commit violent crimes against their fellow citizens, their fellow Americans, if they can be arrested 42 times in 10 years, and many of those times involve violent crimes, you're right.
It's a failed system.
Oh, wait, sorry.
Your solution is...
Black people should get off committing more crimes if they have the right skin color.
My solution is, third violent crime, you don't get out until you're too old to cause harm to somebody else.
I want to read more headlines man put behind bars for the rest of his life Because of three violent crimes.
Then I do someone stabbed in the subway.
Then I do someone sexually assaulted in the subway.
We need a culture of fear and shame.
And I don't mean fear and shame to speak freely like the left wants.
I don't mean fear to purchase a firearm.
I don't mean fear to, for example, express a support for Donald Trump.
I mean fear and shame in the acts of harming your fellow American black, red, yellow, white.
I want a culture of fear and shame!
Cool, man.
So, Stephen doesn't want to see someone stabbed on the subway.
Of course not.
Doesn't want to see someone mugged on the subway.
Sure.
He wants to see someone choked on the subway.
Yeah.
But not stabbed.
Choked.
Yeah.
He has a choking kink, probably, is probably where it is.
Well, no, it's sex light, remember?
Sex light, you're right.
Yeah, definitely not a choking kink.
He's got like a little, maybe like a coughing kink or something.
Ooh.
Well, actually.
Yeah, right?
He's very ill all the time.
But also.
Or is he?
My thought around all of this.
Stephen is demonstrating that the system is broken.
Yes.
If somebody can go through the system 42 times...
I want to be clear, though.
Most of the arrests were for turnstile jumping.
Oh.
Like, skipping out on paying the subway.
Yeah.
Or other...
Well, low-level crimes.
And when he said 42, I knew it was going to be bullshit.
Of course.
I get it.
If someone can go through the system 42 times, for whatever that is, and they continue to be criminals...
There's something else wrong.
The system isn't fixing anything.
No, they're not adjusting for the fact that this person is potentially mentally ill.
Yeah, you should be wanting a better system.
You shouldn't say this person is just beyond help because that's not the case.
And let them slip through the cracks until they kill themselves, kill someone else, or get killed.
Yeah, we need to reevaluate what we're doing to these criminals.
If a criminal goes through the justice system and they continue to reoffend, then we aren't rehabilitating anything.
And the punishment is not working.
Punishment should not be a feel-good thing for the punishers.
It should be a way to resolve a concern, right?
You punish a child, that child learns.
If the child doesn't learn, you can't just keep on punishing them.
You don't punish children with fear and shame.
I do.
You idiot!
Next time you do that...
What the hell is that hanging out of your pocket, Steven?
Wait, what is it?
A handkerchief?
You know what they do to those guys in jail, Steven?
Hey!
Me there.
Oh, my dad's home!
Yeah, it's crazy.
And also, I want to share that I don't mean to compare criminals to children.
I don't mean to compare this person to a child.
No, no, no.
At the end of the day, what we're looking is, jail should not be punishment.
Obviously, there's punishment for crimes, but the whole goal of that should be to rehabilitate, get people into a society that they can function in the society, If anything, I feel like Stephen would be really upset if Jordan Neely was acquitted for some of the things that he did.
Probably.
Right?
All these times he's been arrested or whatever, if he wasn't charged, I feel like Stephen would say, we should be charging him.
But in this instance where Daniel Penny was arrested...
Yeah.
Why aren't you looking down at him for being arrested?
He was arrested, dude.
He's a hero.
He was arrested, though, right?
And this guy was arrested.
Yeah.
Yeah.
Well, yeah, I actually didn't...
It's almost like there's more to the story.
I didn't get the chance to look into Daniel Penny's record.
They do mention that he had a relatively clean record or something like that.
I don't care about his record.
I don't care about his record.
Yeah, I don't care about Jordan Ely's record.
No.
By the way, the system didn't fail Neely.
Neely, as part of one of his, I believe, most recent arrests, there's 42 to go through, so I'm not sure exactly which one it was, was actually given a place to stay and given the opportunity to have things that he needed to get better.
Medical care.
And left.
I believe, if we can find it, research, find it.
I think he left within a couple of weeks or something like that and went back out on the street.
So he deserves this, yeah.
Yeah.
How many times?
I can't remember the statistics about, like, I don't know if this was the case with Jordan, that he did have substance abuse problems, but it's fairly clear that he had mental illness.
People with addiction and mental illness, they're not always going to make the best choices for themselves, especially ones that involve large change without support.
Absolutely.
I don't know what Gerald is getting at.
He's saying that he threw away this opportunity.
It's clear that this person needed more resources than just a home.
They needed something else.
Even if it's not more, they needed something different.
Right?
That's it.
That's it.
Let's say you have COVID, and you've given them all the clear in the world, but they needed ECMO. Jeez, yeah.
Right?
That's all.
Sure, sure.
Wow.
Well, he squandered all of this clear.
You gave him so much clear!
I'm still gonna do it.
I'm gonna do it every day, three, four times an hour.
I have a problem.
And here's the thing.
Penny, in this case, it's also important to remember, he seems like a very decent man.
He even said, I wasn't trying to injure him.
I'm just trying to keep him from hurting anybody else.
He was threatening people.
That was confirmed by witnesses.
To give you an idea, Penny's Marine Platoon Sergeant, he described him as a very honorable person, displaying value and commitment.
You know, other witnesses disagree.
And also, lots of witnesses described Jordan Neely as a great person.
He was a Michael Jackson impersonator.
He brought a lot of joy to folks in New York.
Yeah, he totally did.
It's clear that, obviously, Stephen's can share...
Stephen's can share...
Stephen's can share everything.
I get it.
And everyone has their biases, right?
We have our biases.
Yes.
I have personally witnessed people having...
I've had people threaten to kill me.
People have threatened to kill me.
Yeah.
And I knew that they were just suffering a mental health crisis.
So you know what I did?
You killed them first.
I tried to kill them, but it didn't work.
Yeah, of course.
No, the thing is, I didn't kill them.
Yeah.
Isn't that crazy?
Because I recognized this person is threatening me.
Sure.
They don't know what's happening.
Right?
They're saying words that are threats, but I'm not feeling threatened because I can recognize what's happening here.
Yeah.
That's it.
What is that called?
Empathy?
Yeah, I think so.
I think it's something like that.
So like I mentioned, though, other bystanders weren't just saying, like, oh, he was just protecting us by choking this man until he died.
Some people said, he's dying!
Let him go!
And one guy on the back's like...
Yeah, slow clapping.
No, another person, Juan Alberto Vazquez, a freelance journalist, I think his footage is probably the most referenced in this case.
He captured the final three minutes of the chokehold.
Yeah, he expresses that this was...
Violence towards Jordan Neely and that Penny knew he needed to stop or should stop, and he didn't.
There's this witness that Neely said, I don't care if I die, I don't care if I die, lock me up for life.
Sure.
And they described it as very aggressive threats.
The thing is, to me, that's not a threat that's like, that person should die.
No, it's that person needs help.
Exactly.
That's someone literally like just they're crying for help.
If you encounter someone who's going through something that clearly you can see this person is not right, right?
They're going through a mental health crisis.
They're going through a drug episode.
They're the victims of a broken, you know, family system.
We should help them.
We should not punish them for being the victims.
No.
Penny's a good guy, though.
Yeah, that's why the phrase Penny for your thoughts is around.
We all make mistakes.
Yeah, of course.
If you want to say he applied it improperly, sure.
A lot of people don't know how to apply it.
This guy was not looking to inflict harm.
This guy was looking to help people.
That's an important delineation to make as we continue on to this other shooter who's being praised and venerated by the left.
Luigi, is it Mangione or Mangione?
You gotta say Mangione.
Mangione.
Mangione.
You gotta have a breadstick in your hand.
Yeah, exactly.
Never an Imposta Bowl, which was Jesus' last miracle.
Shut up.
I take it back.
He's a good comedian.
Gerald, not happy.
What's that phrase?
It says, the road to hell is paved with good intentions.
Good intentions.
Yeah, that's it.
Fettuccine Alfredo.
Shrimp scampi.
Shrimp scampi.
The road to hell is paved with unlimited shrimp scampi.
If anyone...
Who knows how to apply a chokehold correctly is people who are trained for armed combat.
Well, and unarmed combat as well.
Pro wrestlers, because they actually won't kill you when they do it.
Usually they don't, right?
I'm sure that there's got to be a slip up there.
You know, a whoopsie?
Yeah, there has been.
And I'm not sure that it was a slip-up necessarily.
You think it was potentially intentional?
Yeah.
Well, we'll talk about that for a different show.
But the thing is that Daniel Penny is not the executor of justice.
That's it.
No, that's my new wrestling name.
The executor of justice.
You can restrain somebody without a chokehold.
Well, there's two other people holding his arms and legs.
That's all you need is arms and legs.
Yeah.
That's it.
Yeah, it seems that way.
But let me also put my hands around his neck also.
He's an outstanding citizen.
He's former military.
He's white.
The spot that puts air through his body from his nose to his lungs.
Everyone knows what's going to happen when you do that.
If you...
Squeeze hard enough, long enough.
This Joker keeps talking about George Floyd through this whole thing, and it's like, this is nearly identical circumstances.
They play a couple more quotes, some reactions, mostly from the left, about the Daniel Penny situation to kind of wrap this up.
The acquittal of Daniel Penny in the murder of Jordan Neely is a painful reminder of a long-standing reality.
Vigilante violence against black people often goes unchecked.
How was I able to predict this to the letter?
Well, because you wrote the show.
You put in a segment called Crowder Calls It, and then you played a clip of what you called.
Never mind.
Okay.
But this is who they are.
Jasmine Crockett in Texas said, this is more than a miscarriage of justice.
It is a green light for more violence against unarmed black Americans.
I didn't know he was unarmed.
That's a good point.
How do you know he's unarmed?
Hold on a second.
You can't act as if somebody is armed as a justification for being violent towards them.
Are you sure about that?
Yeah.
Because I can assume anyone has a gun.
Uh-huh.
And you should.
Does that mean that I have the right to kill any of them because they could be a threat to me?
Well, let's keep going down this road.
Let's go.
So then what would 42 arrests in 10 years and an act of warrant out for this person while this person has punched two seniors?
Two elderly citizens in the face and kidnapped a seven-year-old girl.
Is that a green light to continue doing that shit?
Because that's what it seems like to me.
That's why people are mad in America.
Seems like to me.
You kidnap one seven-year-old, shame on...
No, that's right.
Shame on you.
You don't get out.
How about that?
Where's your line for your green light?
How many times?
How many arrests?
Does it have to be 43?
46?
52?
When do you think you're giving the green light?
I'll tell you what I'm giving it.
The minute you put someone in fear of their own life, intentional or not.
One time I was driving.
Green light.
I looked away, and I went onto the rumble strips.
Oh, no.
And my passenger, they got really scared.
Sure.
So they pulled out a gun and shot me in the fucking head.
Hell, no.
You were dead, and you guys...
I put them in fear for my life unintentionally, and they were like...
Crashed the car.
And then they got...
They scared the people behind me.
And then they died.
Oh, no.
Everyone on the street...
Final Destination.
Jesus.
It's like the goddamn movie The Happening.
Yeah.
What the fuck?
What a stupid take, man.
The thing is that it's not a point system to death.
It's not like you commit a crime, you get 10 points, this crime is worth 20 points, once you get 100 points, we kill you.
Well, he said three, you should be arrested forever until you're old.
Yeah, that's not how it works, Steven.
And...
That means it's just your burden to pay for that person forever.
And remember, this is the guy who continues to litigate both January 6th and the stolen election to painstaking detail, looking for new nuances and potential fraud everywhere.
Yeah, of course.
Also, everyone's lying about COVID. You have to look at the fine details, except in this situation where it's a...
A nasal spray.
A nasal spray?
Yeah.
Yeah.
No, this is ridiculous.
And his code word, green light, what is your green light?
Green light being, I should be able to assault someone.
Yeah, I should be able to...
Green light to assault someone physically.
Yeah, exactly.
It's like...
Basically, when you go to jail, you should get a tattoo that shows how many crimes you've been arrested for.
Sure, maybe like a scarlet letter or something.
Teardrop.
If you see somebody who has a certain number of tattoos, you can just rough them up.
You're allowed to.
That's actually kind of interesting.
The hierarchy.
Fear and shame, dude.
Yes.
Fear and shame.
Fear and shame.
Hey, you ask for my wallet in the street, guess what?
You forfeit your right to live.
You have any idea how many people...
Get mugged and get shot left for dead because someone's done a little too much PCP. I don't know that you're down on your luck and you just need some money for a Wendy's chili.
I couldn't possibly know that just like I can't know that you are unarmed.
You play the knockout game, you forfeit your right to live.
You know why?
Because I could hit my head in the concrete.
Or I could be unconscious and you could then rape my woman.
You could kidnap my child if you're a Jordan Neely copycat.
You forfeit your right to live.
Doesn't mean you deserve execution.
Let me be really clear.
But you forfeit your right to live.
You forfeit your right to live, but you shouldn't be killed.
How do you square that circle?
What is forfeiting your right to live?
Who's the person who you give your right to live to?
Those are the words of a very, very scared man.
Oh my god.
What was that wild, what if I get knocked out and someone can rape my woman?
You have to back up and remember that Jared's been shouting about Stephen's fear of the knockout game for over a year.
I was actually about to ask you if you could...
I'm going to say the word, knockout game!
And then you clip that and then put like a big like echo on it.
So anytime that he says it, we can just knock out game!
I'll say it one more time.
Knock out game!
And I'll lower it and add some reverb.
Yeah, of course.
I hate this stance in general because I truly believe that there are crimes that people shouldn't be killed for.
Yeah.
If somebody mugs me for my wallet, I don't think that person should be immediately killed.
You're still a victim, though.
Yeah, I'm a victim.
Yeah.
And they should be tried.
Sure.
And they should make good on what they did to me.
There's laws in place that punish people for crimes like this.
Yes.
Stephen is literally arguing...
Every crime deserves the death penalty.
If he's scared.
Yeah, exactly.
Knockout game!
Yeah, but he's literally arguing every crime is capital punishment.
It seems that way.
Well, you get three tries.
I guess you get to do three violences, and then after that, knockout game from society.
From society, society comes in.
That one sounded like Sebastian Gorka.
That was kind of fun.
Cool.
Kind of scary, if I'm being honest.
His thoughts on this are coming from, what is this, fear?
Yeah, he's definitely afraid and shameful or something.
He's like, what if I get married again?
You've got to have three.
I might have a surprise coming out for the Shrug Clubbers.
Oh, no.
Steven did a premium stream giving advice for long-distance relationships.
It's an hour.
Does he talk about how he has to go to the phone card store to get, like, international phone cards?
You'll just have to wait and see.
So I go to the payphone across the street and I call my girlfriend.
Oh, it's so good.
Back to the bed.
Even if you want to say they were some BS arrests because he was black, which I'm sure, yeah, that's the case in New York.
You can't find any racial justice activists and prosecutors or public defendants in New York.
Okay, cut that number, 40-something arrests down to 20. Just cut it down to the violent felonies.
The violent crimes that we have seen.
When do you take accountability for your green light?
Is he asking people to go murder criminals?
Yeah, he's requesting people to change their mindset on this.
And you know what?
You be the hero.
Yeah, you can be a hero.
You can be like Daniel Penny.
This is such dangerous.
You could be Cedric Nickel.
There's nothing I've read to give me any impression that the violent crimes that he did were anything beyond those two assaults on elderly people.
And were they even felonies?
He said they were felonies.
You could be gorgeous George Corder.
Who's that?
I'm just thinking of different guys that have coinage last names.
Oh, okay.
All right.
Gregory Quarter.
Craig Dime.
That's pretty cool.
Brett Nickel.
That's very good.
Thank you.
Thanks.
I think with this...
Derek Dollar...
Frankie, $5 bill.
All right.
You were stretching a little bit.
Come on.
All right.
Shut up.
What I see this is I see some impressionable young dude listening to Stephen Crowder.
I'm going to go beat up homeless people.
I just see him listening to Stephen Crowder.
He's on the subway.
And he sees something like this and he's like, this is my time.
This is my time to be a...
He's trying to jokerify everyone.
This is really, really dangerous language.
I'm of mind that I can see that Steven's bullshit.
Yes, but you're intelligent.
Yeah, and I'm not saying that, like, only dumb people listen to this.
No, no, of course not.
I actually want to take that all back.
I just want to make fun of the fact that he's warning against intelligence.
He is, yeah, of course.
But what I'm saying is that, what I see is that Stephen is literally radicalizing people to go and commit vigilante justice.
It's not what we need.
If you think that Jordan Neely should not have been released for those crimes, approach that from your own criminal justice reform perspective.
We need resources.
Absolutely we need that.
Training and de-escalation.
We need less Dick Tracy villains like Pruneface and Flyface and of course BBIs.
Of course Littleface.
We need less of these guys.
Well, Jared, they might have a Thomas gun on them.
They could, yeah.
You've got to be very careful.
You've got a Thomas weapon.
Wait, isn't that what they're called?
Yeah, they have Double Ten, the $2 bill guys.
The briefcases.
I've never seen the movie.
All right, let's bring it all together.
We have two killers.
Two killers?
Yeah.
All right.
One's cool.
One's not, right?
Now, let's compare this to Luigi, right?
Luigi, who shot the UnitedHealthcare CEO. You see this all over the place.
He's been praised, lauded as a hero.
This is actually 1.6 million views on X. It's a meme.
It says, he took action against private health insurance corporations is what he did.
He was a brave Italian martyr in this house.
Luigi Mangione is a hero.
End of story.
I mean, not exactly end of story, but...
Not end of story.
I think that that UnitedHealthcare CEO shouldn't have died.
Yeah, I mean...
He should not have been killed.
Stephen, could you say that Jordan Neely should not have been killed?
No, you have a license to kill, but you shouldn't be doing it, or whatever you said.
Okay.
You called it out.
We gotta wait for the green light.
Oh, the green light.
I'll look for it.
Look for the green light.
It's complicated.
Yeah, obviously, this alleged guy, or this alleged killer, this guy was killed, obviously, but it was allegedly Luigi, and people were hyped up about him for a couple reasons.
One, he's an attractive hunk and people like that.
That's very true.
Remember that one criminal about blue eyes and all the ladies?
Sure, yeah.
He became a model when he got out.
But that's part of it.
Isn't he dead?
I think he could die of a drug overdose.
Maybe it was the skull guy that died.
The skull face guy.
And I'm not saying that that...
That justifies anything.
That's part of the story.
It's like made for the internet.
He's attractive.
The thing is, before people even found him, what they were recognizing was that this guy, this CEO, was just overall, his legacy was really bad.
I have empathy for this guy.
I have empathy for the man.
I have empathy for the father.
I have empathy for all of that.
His legacy will go down Badly.
Yeah.
That being said, I don't think that this guy should have been killed.
And I think that if Luigi Mangione goes to trial, which he will, and he gets charged, then he serves a sentence.
Cool.
I have zero feeling about that.
I trust the jury to make the right decision.
That's it.
Well, while I don't agree with his murder, I understand why someone would target someone like him.
Sure.
And here's the thing, is that the fact that so many people can agree with that and can see where it's coming from, that should be a real moment to say, why does everyone feel this way?
Yeah, it's eye-opening.
Steven keeps giving us reasons to understand that that's exactly sort of the whole case here, is that as much as...
Stephen may not want us to, or just the general public, to look and appreciate that this happened.
You know what I'm saying?
There is some sort of general adulation for this person, and more that it's not necessarily that someone had to die, probably, but that people don't have empathy for the person who's constantly pulling the trigger on somebody else.
Nobody wants to call that out as, like, You know, a terrorist organization or something like that.
You know what I mean?
And we condemn it in every other way, but when it's like legal capitalism and it's just the way that things work under capitalism.
And remember, Stephen's audience is capitalism.
They are the Walmart, right?
They are the Walmart.
This is an attack against you, if not anybody.
This is a front to your life.
You are the CEO of this company because you are your private insurance.
You are the capitalism that drives your everyday life.
That's his message always, so why wouldn't it be here?
And so to condemn that would be normal because it'd be like pulling the trigger on yourself in that instance, right?
But the people who are intimately aware of insurance and how insurance affects them and how they've seen maybe their family fall apart, even somebody that we know maybe, Personally.
And I don't know.
It starts to feel like similarly to how I kind of felt about like when Trump got shot at, right?
Like in a country that preaches gun violence as a means to an end.
And won't do anything about it, right?
Then it becomes completely not shocking when somebody like Trump gets shot at or something like that.
This is, you know, same sort of thing.
When this man gets shot in the streets for having, you know, denied coverage and, what is it, defend, deny, depose?
Etched into the bullets of Luigi's, the casings.
Allegedly Luigi's.
All right.
It's hard not to look at that and not understand.
Even me, who I don't have any sort of life-threatening illnesses, of course, but I've done my fair share of...
I've got your chart right here.
Oh, thank you.
Wrestling with the insurance.
Tell me what it says, Doc.
Oh, my God.
What's the prognosis?
You're fine.
For now.
Not enough weed.
Okay.
When I look at this...
Oh no.
He's got cool disease.
Are these sunglasses inside your belly there?
You can't eat those, buddy.
The death of Brian Thompson and the death of Jordan Neely, neither of those should have happened.
Sure.
That's how I feel about it.
I think that if we look at Stephen's eyes, Jordan Neely deserved death because he impacted negatively.
He negatively impacted people 42 times.
42 times.
times sure Brian Thompson has negatively impacted people millions of times my brother-in-law died because they never approved the correct treatment for him that is not a left or right thing that is a comment with 7,000 upvotes on Ben Shapiro's video a shocking targeted attack and the left celebrates Yeah.
I mean, there are people who are celebrating.
I don't think it should.
Yeah, but to focus on that is a waste of time.
People are always going to be loud on the extremes.
Of course they are, yeah.
I think the fact that people are like, hell yeah, about this, it should be telling that maybe, Stephen, you might be out of touch with what common people are feeling.
Just like Matt Walsh and Ben Shapiro.
Yeah, of course.
They're out of touch with what common people are feeling.
I'm not saying, like I said, it's hard because no matter what we talk about, it's like, I don't think that guy should die, and it sounds like I'm saying he should die.
He shouldn't die.
But right now, we're having a conversation now about healthcare in the country.
This guy is filthy rich because he's used humans as a cog in his machine.
I love that they didn't.
Well, I mean, I guess it's not a direct correlation because I don't think Neely would have had access to this kind of private health insurance anyway.
Of course, yeah.
But we are talking about health.
We're talking about someone who needed healthcare better in some way.
And then we're talking about someone who refused healthcare to people.
We're talking about letting them eat cake.
It's hard to ignore just sort of like the social class issue.
Steven Crowder may be a millionaire.
Right?
Like, we think that he's got some cash, probably.
I think that's fair, yeah.
To look down at people who, I mean, like, you know, he's probably not that rich, I mean, but, like, he's got money.
To look down at everybody else who would be looking at this to be like, yeah, this would, you know, bankrupt my life if I got sick or put me on the streets and then I would become one of these derelicts of society of whom may discover trauma and have to yell about it sometimes.
Like, You know, like, most of us are, we're much closer to being homeless than we are not, and, like, just to having, like, even a little bit of separation from that, I guess, gives Stephen this sort of, like, wizard's tower, ivory tower, kill them all attitude of whatever delivers that.
I'm not really sure, but it clearly doesn't reflect the lives of the people who are listening to this dog shit on purpose, including myself.
You know, Ben Shapiro's audience saying, like, no, you listen here, Ben.
My family's dying because of this bullshit.
Ben, you're a millionaire.
You aren't a true blue-collar conservative.
You're a rich guy that tries to appeal to working-class Republicans.
You don't understand what poor people go through.
Here's Ben, you're rich.
Enough, stop.
You do not experience implications of what denial of health care means for poor Americans.
This is a good one.
Ah, yes, a millionaire who denied a young child anti-nausea medication for his chemotherapy because it, quote, wasn't normal to feel sick on chemo.
Even then, it's interesting to see these guys try to protect their interests around these things.
Is this maybe more proof that they are more mainstream, that they're giving themselves credit for?
Because they're taking a very mainstream approach to this and in that, protecting their interests of the people whose boot they have to suck.
What insurance company does The Daily Wire work with that they're getting maybe some sort of...
All-inclusive, like Cobra Insurance, basically.
They have good insurance through their job.
Yeah, of course.
I mean, maybe.
If they didn't, they're fucking up.
Then what are they doing?
Why even do this sort of business if you're going to run it at that level and not also give yourself insurance through that position?
Sure.
So I was reading on Ben's video responses.
There's some comments on Stephen's as well.
The very day CEO was done, UHC denied my claim.
Walking wasn't necessary.
Talk about why everyone on the left and the right, who are regular people, not media figures, corporate elites, or members of the ruling class, all hate that CEO. And then this is interesting.
Why was Neely, this has nothing to do with healthcare, but I think this is, kind of goes on to another point.
Why was Neely out on the street instead of in prison after kidnapping a seven-year-old girl?
Better question, why was he still alive?
So glad that your lie about this.
Well, thank goodness he's dead.
Yeah, right.
Another criminal off the street.
Yeah, I think that right now Stephen's just showing his cognitive dissonance, right?
He can't celebrate the death of Jordan Neely without also celebrating the death of Brian Thompson.
Because Brian Thompson has brought far much worse to the world than Jordan Neely ever has.
So if Stephen is the god and Stephen can judge Jordan Neely and say that guy deserves to die because he was a nuisance to 40 people on a train and Brian Thompson does not deserve to die even though he was a nuisance to millions of Americans.
A lot of folks.
That's that.
I mean, like Stephen is just showing that he's not being, he's not like looking at this from a lens.
That is lack of bias.
And like I said, we all have our bias.
We feel differently about Brian Thompson than we do about Jordan Neely because of our biases around healthcare.
That's fine.
Neither of those people should die, but neither should anyone who is...
No one should die because of healthcare in the United States.
God, these comments are wild.
Yeah.
I think, if anything, it's really interesting to see that this has been the most bipartisan issue for this whole country that I've ever seen.
A healthcare CEO dies and people are like...
Hell yeah!
I've felt the struggle of healthcare.
I've felt that, right?
Everybody knows somebody who has had to file bankruptcy because of healthcare.
Well, I think I made this point on maybe the last episode or something recently.
I think I talked to y'all about it anyway.
Just that in 2016, 2015, the whole conversation around Bernie Sanders and single-payer healthcare was that Americans, by and large, loved their private insurance companies, and they would not be willing to give that up because of how much they were in love with them, want to kiss them on the mouth.
I have an example of one of those people real quick, Jared.
My family's life was ruined when I was 12 because of their actions.
My sister was denied treatment and died because of them.
And that person loves their insurance, right?
Because that's what the media, the lamestream media, was selling us on as to get us to say no to Bernie Sanders so that we loved our insurance.
Jared, he didn't finish the comment.
The comment said, finally, I hated that girl.
Yeah, he did hate his sister.
This is shocking.
Hey, when you guys die, can I have your stuff?
Yeah, dude.
I've got a couple more crimes I'm going to do, and then once I hit 40, you can kill me and take my things.
Wow.
No, I mean, this is shocking.
It is shocking to read how many people have been touched by denial of claims.
Literally every person in this country.
I don't know a single person who says...
Healthcare's great here.
Nobody.
My family had to file bankruptcy because my dad had a brain aneurysm when he was younger.
He was a blue-collar, working man, worked really hard for his entire life.
It bankrupt our family because he just happened to have a brain aneurysm.
Whoopsie-daisy.
He was asking for it.
He was asking for it, yeah, obviously.
It's ridiculous.
It's ridiculous.
It's insane.
And so many people...
Was he vaccinated?
Like, this is just...
Yeah, my vaccine-injured father is probably...
Jesus Christ.
Dude, I'll tell you, I had somebody ask me about if my dad was vaccinated after he passed away.
Really?
Did you say, like, from death?
Yeah, he actually isn't immune to death.
He had the death vaccine.
That's stupid.
The Grim Reaper one.
I think Steven's not done being pissed off.
It wasn't saline, though.
It was actually Grim Reaper juice.
It was clear.
He got clear injected in his veins.
Jesus.
Well, it works, maybe.
So much xylitol.
Here, just shoot this right in between your toes, Papa.
Back to Louie.
Luigi?
Luigi called Louie.
My boy Louie.
Back to Louie.
Yeah, yeah, yeah.
You also have a lot of people, hundreds of thousands, you know, thirsting over him, meaning they think this guy is sexy.
Here's a post about visiting Louie G in prison.
Says me visiting Louie G, and there they are making out.
That's, by the way, the most tame one we could find.
LAUGHTER I mean, the guy, he did look kind of ripped in one of his pictures.
Yeah, yeah, he did.
Gerald.
Even just like, I mean, he's not even that ripped.
I mean, I have a six-pack, too.
I work out every morning before.
I listen to NPR, and then I go work out, watch the video on Mug Club Premium.
I practice my Asian.
I practice my Hispanic.
Gerald cracking his knuckles and just saying...
I could fix him.
Jesus.
I also just want to say, Gerald wearing the new Die Hard is a Christmas movie changed my mind.
Really brave.
Really brave.
Never heard that one before.
And then the camera pans over to Firestein and it says, Hot Dog is a Sandwich changed my mind.
That's not real, just so you know, that was not a real shirt.
That's a joke.
Okay, cool, cool, cool.
But Stephen gets it.
Of course, he's not just gonna spout all this other stuff.
Stephen's the kindest man I know.
I feel empathy for everyone who was wrongfully denied a claim, who paid for insurance.
Yep, I feel empathy for them.
I feel empathy for the people who were suckered into supporting the Affordable Care Act that screwed this healthcare system up, which was already screwed up before that, but certainly accelerated it.
And I feel empathy for the family and the people affected by a man who was senselessly murdered.
Just to be clear.
I saw a guy online celebrating this.
A guy who was a comedy show booker who didn't pay me my full amount one time.
Wow!
Good, yeah.
You denied my claim for the work.
Should you be next?
Yeah.
What's the Crowder math on that one that Josh is trying to do?
If A, then B, so then all comedy, all leftist comedy bookers aren't going to pay you anymore.
It sure did suck out any sort of meaning behind what Stephen was saying.
Yeah.
To minimize it like that.
Stephen doesn't have the empathy that he thinks he does.
No.
He's acting like he does, but...
He just doesn't.
He doesn't recognize that literally...
These people are just denied claims.
Like, it's like, I tried to buy a cheesecake at the Cheesecake Factory, but they were sold out.
They denied me my cheesecake.
Well, he didn't say that he has empathy for Neely's family.
No.
He didn't say Neely had a mother and father...
He didn't have a father.
That's why he's a criminal.
Well, no, his father did come out and say, I wish I got to know my son better.
I'm just being Steven.
Oh, of course.
But he doesn't have empathy for the real victims.
There are victims of UnitedHealthcare's decisions.
Yeah.
Yeah.
That's it.
There are dead people because of those decisions.
People died because they couldn't get certain care.
We also talked about that he doesn't have a sixth sense.
That's true.
His pineal gland too calcified.
Yes.
I can't wait.
That's what I'm really waiting for.
About two years into RFK, having removed the fluoride from the water, everyone's going to be waking up.
Everyone's going to start having nightmares about the...
Steven's going to have these premonitions about land acknowledgements.
Yeah.
He's going to be like, we're on stolen land.
He's like, it's Peniel Clans going to decalcify.
He's just going to understand, especially down here in Texas, just like the hundred years of just absolute blood and terror.
He's just going to all flood his mind at once.
Night terror is waking him up.
We've got to get the land back!
Yeah, he's waking up talking about the Algonquin tribes and shit.
Pronounces it correctly.
The first time in his life.
Oh, wow.
I heard it in a dream, Gerald.
You don't understand.
We have to give them the studio.
We need to tell the world their message.
He's listening to the wind.
Good for him.
Good for Steven.
It's really obvious.
We don't need to go back and forth with all this.
Let's just get down to Breast Axe.
Why do people like Luigi?
The reason that they love Luigi.
You know why?
Because he killed a rich white guy.
Oh, he killed a Disney villain.
The rich white businessman.
Therefore, it's justified.
Now, the other worldview is the only way that violence is justified, and I don't believe that all violence is immoral, to be clear.
You've never heard me say that political violence is never the answer, because it's not true.
You've not heard me say that violence itself is never the answer, because it's not true.
But the only time that violence is an appropriate answer is when you are protecting the defenseless or yourself.
Stephen assigning this to be racist is the most racist thing.
It's pretty wild.
Nobody cares that he is a rich white guy.
They care that he is a healthcare CEO. And the things that he's done in that role.
Yes.
Maybe people said a rich white guy.
I haven't heard that anywhere.
Yeah, I haven't heard that either.
He's being hailed as a hero.
Again, not because it's a rich white guy being killed.
Because I know plenty of rich white guys, and I wouldn't want them to die.
I am a rich white guy.
Well, yeah.
Yeah, obviously.
You're also a CEO of a health insurance.
I drive a Ford Raptor.
I've got a Toyota, so big money over here.
Okay.
It's because he's a healthcare CEO. Steven, you are the one making it about race.
Let's minimize it by calling him a Disney villain and not like a true...
True American, like, capitalist villain.
Yeah.
Yeah.
It's like...
If we found out that he was using slave labor somehow, like if you found out there was a local factory using slave labor...
Well, he was using AI to deny claims.
Yeah, that's fine.
Using robot voices to deny claims.
Steven uses to make songs.
Oh, I thought you were talking about the CEO. You're talking about Steven using slave labor?
No, I'm saying like, regardless, if there was like an American CEO and we found out that they were using...
If they were the people using the children to clean their chicken factories or whatever...
People unanimously agree, that's a bad take.
That's a bad thing to do.
And Stephen is now finding out, discovering for the first time, that Americans are not actually happy with healthcare.
Shocking.
I can talk about healthcare all day long.
But healthcare in the United States is absolutely horrendous.
And this guy is an embodiment of that.
He happens to be a rich white guy.
He profits off the suffering of people.
That's literally it.
If I found out that Jordan Neely's crimes, people were being paid to kidnap people and paid to punch people.
He's a traitor.
Human trafficker or something.
Yeah, yeah.
Human trafficker.
And the thing is, I'm not even forgiving Jordan Neely for his crimes.
I just think that they should have led to his death.
Exactly.
And I also don't think that Brian Thompson's crimes should have led to his death.
I think it would have led to him being locked up, or I think that what he's doing should be illegal.
He shouldn't have been profiting.
What he does is he takes advantage of people in our country who need help.
That's it.
He sees the lady with the burning house and he helps her out and takes her jewelry on the way.
He deployed the AI that was allowing that to happen on a daily basis.
He's actively participating.
He's licking the boots of the board members.
He's doing it on their behalf.
He's doing it on behalf of the shareholders.
Yeah.
It's one of these things that private insurance should probably not be something that you can buy into.
Same as private prisons.
All these industries that profit off of the suffering of...
I don't think anyone should profit off of sickness of other people.
Yeah, it's just all kind of bad.
And that you can just sort of throw a couple bucks at it no matter where you are.
You could also capitalize on the suffering of others, just as our stock market will allow you, or, you know, your investments and who they support.
It's just this disgusting bullshit, and I think it's...
People are acutely aware of it.
Even, you know, eight years ago, maybe, they weren't really willing to discuss this, but eight years later, the same people are having medical problems and...
You know, largely, what, like these Trump voters who are doing January 6th, you know?
How do they feel about it?
I don't know why necessarily them, but just sort of like...
We don't talk about them very much, so...
The United States is a place...
I mean, it's just like, everyone who disagrees, like, politically is shaking hands across the aisle right now on this issue.
Yeah.
And I think that's all I'm really trying to say with that.
They are also acutely aware of this, just as I'm sure that the QAnon shaman has lost somebody to medical...
Not necessarily medical malfeasance or something like that, but insurance...
I think just broadly what you're saying, Jared, is that it's a human issue.
Yeah, and I think actually if you were going to ask the January 6th people, maybe you could ask the QAnon shaman and maybe...
In a couple years he might tell you about how the Hopi tribe and the Navajo Nation need to get their land back.
These are the Pueblo of Zuni out here.
He's opening up.
These are the Tonto Apache and he's seeing his nation.
I think he also is Native American, isn't he?
I think Well, I actually don't know.
Maybe he's closer to this than all these guys.
Maybe he's going to be the one that's going to run the land back.
I think the most interesting thing...
That's my prediction for 2025. Yeah, lock that in.
Is Biden going to pardon the QAnon shaman?
He got out early.
It doesn't really matter, but...
Apparently, Biden dropped a huge amount of pardons today.
Oh, yeah.
And I didn't read anything about it yet.
Like 1,500 or something?
It's pretty wild.
It was the largest pardon ever, basically.
Yeah.
All these folks, Ben, Matt, and Steven, they're all missing the opportunity to go smaller, like sovereign citizen-y, off the grid.
A lot of people who are super conservative do risk problems.
It's like a smaller community of people who put money together in case someone gets sick and then they use that money when that happens.
It's like a smaller version of health insurance, which kind of makes a little bit more sense, I guess.
I mean, until the treasurer who got burned by someone's crappy brownies takes all the money.
Exactly.
The brownies are always burning people.
But I just don't know why they're not focusing on something like that.
It's surprising.
You can't go the take of defending the healthcare.
It's weird.
Steven is the one here making this particular thing about race.
This is not about race at all.
No.
Not even a little.
No, not even a little bit.
But you're wrong.
One was a law-abiding citizen, potentially a model citizen, Penny, who deserves your support and prayers, who followed the law to help his fellow citizen.
The other, Luigi, is someone who flagrantly disregarded the law to commit murder, to assassinate someone.
Is that clear enough?
It's not.
This can't be clear to the left because, and this is why I say there's a real problem with intelligentsia.
You have to go to university today or work in media to believe that that's reductive or simplistic, therefore not worthy of your philosophy major.
One's a law abiding citizen who helped his fellow citizen.
The other broke the law to assassinate someone.
I just want Steven to describe to me in what way Penny helped Neely.
I didn't help Neely.
They don't care about Neely.
They only care about the other people who were inconvenienced by a man who threw his sweater on the ground and yelled loudly on a train.
Okay.
But he cares about Brian Thompson?
It seems like he cares about Brian Thompson quite a bit.
See, I thought he was saying Penny helped Neely.
Luigi murdered Brian.
Yeah.
Okay, so he's saying that the killing of Neely has helped the greater good on that train because those people felt better.
And he's saying that the murder of Brian Thompson did not help anyone.
Is that what he's saying?
That no one is celebrating that?
I don't know if that's the point he's getting on to.
He's making his point too simple because it's not a He's just saying one guy's good, one guy's bad.
That's all he's saying.
And again, trying to jokerify his audience by saying if anyone is doubting this or leaning into the complexities of the situation, then they're liberal.
Don't get caught up in the complications of life.
It's the intelligentsia.
Speaking of leaning into it, though, have you looked at their website recently, Byron?
United?
No, Crowder's website.
Gerald actually had Steven take down his CEO bio.
Wow!
It's no longer up there anymore.
Holy shit, are you serious?
No way.
I think he's joking.
Let's let it go.
Let it go, Dennis.
Come on.
Of course that's a joke.
I was saying also that Stephen, looking on Twitter, that he was also talking about the price of private security for no one in particular, but that it's charging an arm and a leg these days.
They're still hiring people, though.
Still trying to get people on board.
Not a better time to be on.
Oh, creative director.
Wow.
I think that all that it is here is that Stephen's saying, hey, listen, kids.
One guy murdered somebody, and the other guy was trying to help somebody out.
That's it.
And he's like, don't look at the details.
Don't get caught up in the details.
The other guy was bad.
Yeah.
And the other guy is white.
Yeah.
See...
Penny saved everybody, and Luigi did not.
Wow.
And this is our last clip of the night.
This is an exclusive.
I can't believe I forgot to bring this up earlier.
Big interview get.
Right now, we actually, do we have him, Toolman?
Yeah, we got him.
We have Reverend Al Sharpton on the line to give us his thoughts on this case.
Mr. Sharpton, thank you for taking the time.
What are your thoughts here on the Daniel Penny verdict, finally, as it came in yesterday?
Well, Mr. Crowdeer, the verdict has clearly sent a strong message.
Uh-huh.
And what's that?
That's clearly about all I can handle this week.
Fuck, I won't get into that at all.
If you disagree with us, feel free to convince us otherwise.
He also talked to the New York City Councilwoman for...
Did Josh do that voice?
No, I think that was Crowdy Air.
Talked to AOC? No, no.
City Councilperson, pardon me, who was there during their COVID czar conference on the steps of City Hall.
She was the one that arranged that with them.
Oh, yeah, yeah, yeah.
Remember the one that was live-streamed in a way that was reminiscent of the COVID protests?
It's a lot of fun.
But, yeah, so we're not going to listen to that, and we're not going to listen to this poor, kind of pointless, really, really dumb interview, quote-unquote.
It's funny because you'd think a parody would be funny, but...
You'd hope so.
It just is...
It's funny because he sounds like a stereotypical black man.
Yeah, and they don't really even say anything that is, you know, elevated.
It's me, Al Sharpton!
It's like, you guys can't tell that that was Jared saying that, I bet, huh?
Got you again.
Wonderful impersonation, Jared.
I did not know that you were Al Sharpton.
It was difficult to differentiate.
I had no idea that you knew Al Sharpton.
That's amazing.
Yeah, I didn't know.
He's here right now.
Is he?
Al, do you want to talk to him?
Yeah, I'll talk to him.
This is crazy.
We've got an exclusive.
Wonderful.
Hey, I ask him.
He's like Zoltar.
I'm putting my neck on the line right now.
Like in a big way.
Dennis, welcome back.
Thanks.
Hey, it's sad to be here.
Well, I think the folks at home have missed your level-headed analogies.
Lots of analogies.
Yeah.
Too many similes, not enough metaphors.
I didn't want to point it out in the middle, but not a lot of Trump talk in this episode.
Yeah, well, the thing is that they're going to run out of Trump talk because...
They're going to talk about Trump plenty.
Of course.
But the demon is leaving, right?
Oh, of course, yeah.
The demon is leaving.
So people are going to talk less about...
There's so much hate for Biden, but it's going to be interesting for the next four years.
Two years at least.
They just had a pretty solid block of about two weeks of just constant propaganda.
Yeah, it was pretty exhausting.
So I guess, in a way, I'm happy.
I made a shirt.
It's not up yet.
It's sick.
You like that one?
Yeah, it's awesome.
It'll be available soon.
I wonder where you want to point people when that goes up.
Ballsack.meme?
Crowder316.
We'll have to buy that.
Crowder316 is our new merch store.
Stupid.
I hate this.
But I love you guys.
Rate and review us on iTunes and give us some stars on Spotify.
Handful of the Spotify rap folks.
I know that we made some people's top fives.
That's awesome.
Which is pretty wild.
Thank you so much for all your continued support of the show.
Tell your friends...
My band's never done that, but the podcast has, and that's crazy.
Well, that's exciting stuff.
If you've shown our show to your friends, why don't you let us know how you pitched it?
Because I'm very curious.
I'd be so curious.
We're on Blue Sky.
Yeah, we are.
Dan Crowder, also on x slash Twitter.
I posted my first thing on Blue Sky today.
Oh, yeah?
It wasn't a post.
It was a reply to somebody about how the PSPs all have swollen batteries.
Sounds like you want to be a peered smart.
Yeah, I got one in the crate over here, and it is fat.
I'll tell you that.
Spicy pillow.
What do you want to have a massive online footprint and appear really, really smart?
Great.
Add us on Blue Sky.
What's our handle?
At Dan Crowder.
Dan Crowder, of course.
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Sorry.
I burped.
You can email me at dennis at audiowool.com.
Ladder than Crowder at gmail.com is our email address, and we will not go to jail for you.
No, absolutely not.
You're on your own.
Yeah, I can't do it.
But until next time, I'm Byron.
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