The time has come for us to talk about the time Gerald and Josh sat down with a now "based" hip-hop legend that aside from a parody of his own song, was last relevant a quarter-century ago. After high-jumping over subjects they’ll clearly disagree on, it becomes fairly clear that although they would deny it, Afroman is the truest example of a R.I.N.O. Hear for yourself. And where is Steven? Email: louderthancrowder@gmail.com Twitter/X: @thancrowder Music by DJ Danarchy
Welcome to Louder Than Crowder, a podcast about the podcast, louder with Crowder.
My name's Byron and I was gonna write episode notes until I got hired.
I was gonna parody intro but I realized the format is actually really tricky so I bailed.
Of the song?
Yeah it's tricky.
Dennis is in the room, Jared's occupied.
So we teased it last week.
Good morning.
We have a special episode for you today featuring a hip hop icon, you could say.
And I know this kind of falls outside of our normal lane a little bit, but I think you're really going to enjoy it.
Probably going to laugh a lot.
And if it's the evening for you when you're watching this, maybe open a Colt 45.
Yeah, the stereotypes continue this week, folks.
Keep them running, baby.
Gerald is such a... He's a dork-ass.
But, of course, he has a rich history with hip-hop, and we'll explore that.
It's the May 13th, special edition of Louder with Crowder.
Joseph Edgar Foreman, also known as Afro Man, joined Gerald Morgan.
No, I thought it was Afro Man.
First name Afro, last name Morgan.
It's not?
Incorrect.
Oh, okay.
Yeah, changed the name.
Joining Josh Feierstein on... On the ones and twos.
No Big Ugly, because he got diarrhea.
Oof, again.
Afro Man's sitting down for an interview, almost exclusively because he recently released a parody song of his one-hit wonder, Because I Got High, which was released 24 years ago.
24 years ago?
24, yeah.
Fuckin' A, man.
Feels bad, huh?
How old am I?
Wow.
Old.
Old, yeah.
Yeah, this new version... Steven was 12 when it came out.
This new version, Hunter Got High.
But a lot of you know him for his music, and just a little bit of a remix got released recently, and it made all of the rounds.
It was hilarious.
I'm actually disappointed that our team didn't think of it first, but I think it was fantastic.
And here's some highlights of Because Hunter Got High.
He was gonna get his laptop fixed, but Hunter got high.
He wasn't gonna get...
It's revenge time.
But Hunter got high.
He stole them.
He should have let Hillary bleach his whole hard drive.
What?
Yeah, Hunter got high.
It's revenge time.
Hunter got, Hunter got high.
But it's funny if it's the President's son.
A Hunter got high.
He was gonna take them all out on the boat.
But Hunter got high.
He's the smartest man Joe ever knew in his life.
Yeah, until Hunter got high.
What?
Hunter got high.
Hunter got high.
I'm glad they're enjoying it, yeah.
I like that they cut to the laughter like they haven't heard it before.
Oh, they know.
It, like, surprised them.
They also know it's hilarious and timely.
It's really fucking funny.
You think this is the second time they ran this interview as well?
Oh, I don't think they'd do a run-through of the interview.
Especially since he was, remember, late.
His flight was late.
Oh, sure.
They had to get double chicken.
Do you think Stephen ate the chicken from the first order?
I bet Stephen ate the rotten chicken, and that's why he...
The unseasoned fried chicken that Gerald made for Afro Man.
I was gonna do the show, but then I ate fried.
Nice!
That's actually way better than all of the stuff I did in preparation of tonight's show.
Uh, wow.
Interesting that Gerald outwardly admits that he wishes he would have stolen the idea for the song.
Yeah, right?
I would love to steal this from you.
Also curious, do you think that he has a lot to do with the content of the parodies?
Jared?
Gerald.
Gerald is probably sitting down, he is the head of the writers room and he's just he's just cracking open those skulls with these comedy bits.
He's a creative!
Does he have trouble?
A couple of glasses of wine?
You know Gerald, he's got three boys I think.
Yeah?
Are they like teens?
Young teens?
No.
No children.
He's a new dad.
Recently.
Hunter got high.
A song that popular conservative rumble streamer George Beheesy?
Beheesy?
Yeah.
Called officially the best and most important song of 2024.
Really?
Does he know that Ben Shapiro rapped in 2024?
That's a great point.
Bring that up.
Damn.
Hell yeah.
Changed the whole paradigm.
Compound interest.
So yeah, Afro Man, he's had an interesting career.
Not certain that Josh and Gerald are the ones to properly unpack it.
Dude, I bet they've been listening to him ever since his one song that they knew came out and they stopped listening right after they forgot about it.
Josh pulled up some deep cuts in this interview.
Really?
But I didn't pull any of those.
Was it because he checked out the Wikipedia page and was like asking about it like that?
Sounds like Josh had a compact disc of this in his car at some point.
Really?
He probably had a sub in his Toyota Camry.
I bet he did.
Maybe Josh and Gerald are the ones to handle this interview.
Maybe.
Yeah, but Josh has shown a lot of deficiency in understanding rap music and call and response as we know.
Nonetheless, Gerald has one issue with this song.
The problem with that song is that you could have written a hundred verses.
You know what?
I got mad.
I forgot this verse right here.
He was gonna straighten up his life, but Hunter got high.
He wasn't gonna fuck his brother's wife, but Hunter got high.
Smoked some crack, then he drunk some brew.
His brother's wife's sister too.
He did that!
But you just added an exclusive here.
He got an exclusive.
Gerald can't stand up after that one.
Yeah, Hunter, he did date his dead brother's widow after he died of brain cancer in 2015.
Okay.
And there's an interview with CBS Sunday morning where he said quote, I guess kind of going into this Saying I think people were confused by it and I understand that I mean, I really do to me It's not something that's difficult to explain because it came out of real overwhelming grief that we both shared and we were together and trying to do the right thing and that grief turned into a hope for a love that maybe could replace what we lost and Yeah.
I think it makes sense.
It's not surprising.
It's two people who are not related who are going through grief together.
Trauma bonding a bit.
Yeah.
But also Hallie is her name.
She doesn't have a sister.
So I don't really know what Afroman is saying by saying that he had sex with her sister too.
Yeah.
Didn't really make any sense.
I mean, I actually looked up their family tree.
I dug in deep.
There's no other sister to be having sex with.
Just starting rumors on the the Crowder Show.
That's the Scloosey right there.
That's the Scloosey.
Let's make fun of people who are experiencing overwhelming grief.
No, I mean, it's fine, dude.
And also the, the, what is it?
The meter of that new unreleased verse just doesn't make sense.
That second line.
Come on, man.
You can do better than that.
You spearheaded this format.
This is your thing for 24 years.
Yeah, I'm just trying out some new stuff.
It's called jazz, actually.
Have you heard of that?
That's true, honestly.
I'm sorry.
Speaking of nerds, because Gerald is a regular Charlie Rose, we quickly get to the meat of things.
Straight to it.
How the heck did he come up with such a genius idea?
What made you want to do this particular version of your song?
Well, you know, Biden passed a crime bill Got a lot of black people locked up in prison.
Yeah.
You know, a little crack residue, and man, you was on the yard with the Mexican Mafia, man.
Good Lord, you know?
And here this guy is, like, you know, smoking crack.
And you know, I don't even smoke crack.
I smoke weed and everything, but I just watch a whole lot of people go to prison, you know what I'm saying?
And then even Kamala Harris was complaining about, you know, some kind of bus system.
He kind of chose her to make up For doing something, I got high.
I was with Hunter and I don't remember, but... Yeah, I mean, the 1994 Violent Crime Control and Law Enforcement Act, they call it the Crime Bill for the most part, largest crime bill in U.S.
history at the time, provided funding for 100,000 new police officers, $9.7 billion for new prisons, and $6.1 billion for crime prevention programs.
So it came out in 94?
Yeah.
Ninety-four is thirty years ago.
Thirty-four years ago.
Thirty years ago.
It's ten years older than his prize-fighting song.
Yeah, if it's six years older.
Let's do the math real quick here.
Okay.
So, 1994 was thirty years ago, which is six years before that song came out.
Yes.
So if he's doing it because of the Biden crime bill, why didn't he release Hunter Got High as the primary version?
Sure.
Not the parody version.
I mean, yeah.
We all agree now, in hindsight, this was a disaster, this crime bill.
Oh, yeah.
I mean, Joe Biden did a lot to usher it through before it got the votes, and once it did, Bill Clinton signed it.
But at the time, it was super popular, especially in the black community.
There's a 1994 Gallup survey that found that 58% of African Americans supported the crime bill compared to 49% of white Americans, which is interesting.
However, yeah, it ended up terribly affecting the black community.
I don't understand why we're talking about this now.
And also, it was a bipartisan bill, so why can't we all reflect on this and be like, we were fucking really, really off.
Well, it's because Afro Man is lying about why he made Hunter go high.
It has nothing to do with the crime bill.
Of course it doesn't.
Yeah, yeah.
Of course.
He's talking- Yeah, but isn't it like...
Well, what if he was like, I'll put you in jail for smoking crack, but not my son and he does a lot of crack on camera with his whole dick out.
I think this is a misconception and a complete lack of empathy that anyone critiquing this situation is missing out on.
Uh-huh.
I guess that's all you can say.
Hard stop.
Yep.
Afroman is pretty much gonna make all of this about himself.
It's kind of a habit that he has.
Oh, okay.
Yeah.
I get raided for weed, and this dude smokes crack all in the White House.
They find it, too, right?
Yeah, yeah.
And I'm not mad at him.
I don't want nothing bad to happen to him.
I'm just saying, like, knock it off.
If you're gonna let this dude get away with all of this, let me smoke my weed, decriminalize marijuana federally, you know what I'm saying?
And a whole bunch of other stuff, you know what I'm saying?
Stop asset forfeiture.
End police immunity, make them obey the laws they enforce.
It's a lot of hypocrisy that I think needs to be updated, you know.
Huh.
It's so weird that Hunter was a, you know, smoking crack in the White House.
Yeah, I knew he was.
So wild that they were able to prove that.
Well, when he said other stuff, what he's referring to is that they actually had to go behind, um, like every, every, uh, toilet in the White House.
Sure.
Pull off the, the back cap, you know, the, the tank lid.
Yeah.
And they had to go searching in there for all of Hunter's drugs, you know?
And you know what they found?
He was just upper decking them the whole time.
Oh, Hunter!
Hunter, dang it!
He's a troublemaker.
He really is, honestly.
A thorn in his father's side.
And then they make that mention of finding cocaine at the White House.
Yeah, let's talk about that.
July 2023, a small plastic bag containing less than a gram of cocaine was found inside the White House, which is kind of concerning.
Yeah, well, it said Hunter Biden on it.
Was it this is hunter? Yeah, he is the presidential label maker
He ran in and he goes where's my cocaine? I drop it's interesting. So the tiny little party bags
I just said property of HB HB with a with a presidential crash
Cool. So this prompted an investigation by the Secret Service, of course
however, the investigation could not determine who the cocaine belonged to
But we don't know.
Well, we know.
Also interesting how it just made it into the White House.
That's a pretty interesting question.
One of those alpha security guards.
I mean, they don't stand you for cocaine.
I heard actually they had their dog Major out there sniffing everyone's crotch and he was just biting really nilly.
Biting everyone.
Biting, biting.
Oh, this is weird.
The dog.
President Biden and his family, including Hunter Biden, were actually doing crack at Camp David during the weekend.
Oh, they were doing David crack.
Yeah, when the cocaine was discovered, which contradicts the claim that there's a video that shows Hunter Biden was at the White House on the day the cocaine was found.
He was at Camp David.
Yeah, he might as well have been.
Interesting that this is still a talking point after it's been fully debunked.
Well, it's just, you know, it's just reminding the base, you know?
Hey, remember that story?
Remember that thing we lied about a while ago?
Let's keep that going.
Really tired argument here.
Come on, man.
Come on, man.
He did the crack.
Come on, man.
He did the crack.
Are you doing Joe Biden?
I'm doing Joe Biden doing Afro.
Oh, okay.
So this entire conversation, the entire interview, is basically Gerald pulling conservative teeth, hoping for full-throated endorsement of his shitty worldview from a minority that he's using as a prop.
Great.
I like it.
I think it sucks.
And that was sarcasm?
Yes.
Great.
So is it is it a political statement a little bit or is it focused specifically like I know people on the right have probably been like just fantastic they love it right and but I don't know what the reception has been by people on the left or if they think man is this guy a Trump supporter is he now is he a conservative I don't even know if you go into that or not.
Man like you know like Um, you know, this and that, I'm still running for president.
I know!
You know, so like, um... I saw that, 20-20 fro.
20-20 fro, let's go, man.
Love that, 20-20 fro, love that.
I saw your website.
My slogan, weed shall overcome.
Serious candidate.
Cool t-shirt.
Yeah, so Averman officially filed the paperwork with the Federal Election Commission on April 18th, 2023 to run for president as an independent candidate.
His campaign platform, of course, focuses heavily on decriminalizing cannabis use, which we can all get behind.
Sure.
Promoting criminal justice law enforcement reforms.
Mm-hmm.
Cool stuff.
Down with that.
And of course, this stems from him being him his entire musical career, lots of songs for Cheba Hawks, as well as his own legal battles with law enforcement in Ohio over a 2022 raid at his home, which we'll talk about later.
What do you feel about his platform, Jared?
I thought it was really interesting his like campaigning technique that he was doing.
He's just going garage to garage across America just having a really cool smoke sesh with like old couches.
Yeah old stinky couches.
Do you have a couch in your garage?
A couple gravity bongs.
Yeah yeah if so I can sit on that and you bring your friends over here.
Sure.
We'll smoke this Wooler and get zooted to the moon.
I'll tell you about my political standings and just kind of go from there.
It's a really interesting way to go about it.
Something that Gerald suspiciously doesn't touch, other key points of Afroman's platform include providing reparations for black Americans affected by slavery, legalizing prostitution, and promoting unity, love, and peace.
All things that Gerald staunchly against.
I wonder why he doesn't talk about those.
Catch him in the cul-de-sac.
He is spitting.
Time to dive a bit deeper into the anti-tax political mind of Afro Man.
With my income bracket, I should be a Republican.
My dad told me, he said, son, you don't listen to two clowns talk about each other and pick like that.
He said your income He said, if you make $69,000 or less, he said, run, not walk, to the Democratic Party.
And my dad was a hardcore Democrat.
I used to tell my dad, hey, Dad, I want to be a Republican.
He'd go, yeah.
The sarcastic jokes just started from there.
He'd be like, yeah, you better do your homework.
You ain't going to make no money.
You ain't going to be no Republican making what you're making right here.
And he said, son, I hate Republicans.
He said, but I'll tell you what, if you make $69,000, Once I got my universal check, he said, Joseph, you run, not walk, to the Republican Party.
Yeah.
And he said, because they have things in place that'll help you get through life better.
He said, if you made $69,000 and under, he said, you run, not walk, to the Democratic Party.
Yeah.
Because they have programs and stuff in place that will assist you through life and help you.
Yeah.
So, technically speaking, I, you know, I, you know, I should and, you know, You know, I'm a Republican, you know what I'm saying?
He's a Republican!
Okay.
Hey, alright.
Confirmed, uh, fiscally at least, it seems.
Yeah, he's definitely not socially.
Not a terribly deep, uh, understanding, at least in this moment.
He said that he's a Republican, that's his... He's like, he is a rhino.
Okay, he is the true writer Wow, you hit that ventures track underneath it walk don't run.
I don't know that one.
You've heard it Everyone's maybe I've heard it.
So yeah, just afro man on the beach He's saying it on the on the bug, you know, the the VW bug doing a cool wavy dance.
Sure.
Oh Run into the Republican Party.
I'm not gonna say that he doesn't have an understanding of politics But he's not really proving it here in this moment.
No, well everything you're talking about with Republicans and Democrats and like 69,000 which for some reason this threshold specifically around getting benefits I mean maybe that was that was the number when he was having the conversation with his father But realistically if that's what we go with and if that's what people truly believed we would be a fully democratic nation Well, I mean, a lot of people say you're a Democrat until you make money.
I disagree.
I disagree as well.
I think that you become a libertarian, maybe, when you make money.
Maybe, and that's, I think, more the route he's taken here.
Sure.
But... He's an independent Republican, so let's explore what that looks like.
He's the Bernie of Republicans.
Yeah, discussing some clear stereotypes of the right.
You know, but I'm a Republican, you know.
I don't agree with Confederate monuments.
I don't think Nazis are good people.
But you move that out the way, the rest, you know, I'm with.
We have a Hitler bad stinger, just to make sure people know.
We were talking about conservative politics or something like that on the right.
We're like, but Hitler bad, guys, right?
Everybody understands that.
I didn't think we'd have to say that in this room.
Well, you know what?
I guess, like, I don't know.
I'm just thinking I wouldn't make a statement like that.
You know, like, you know, you know, maybe we was all fed propaganda.
And if there's a half a 1% chance that he was a good guy, you know, we don't know.
But I just wouldn't make a statement as a politician.
I wouldn't make a statement like that.
But other than that, I love everything else.
You know, I love all the, you know, the tax breaks, you know what I'm saying?
Oh man, sorry man, these...
After dark, smoke dat tombooy.
He wouldn't want to cut off his phone ringing from this interview.
Pre-recorded.
Could have cut it.
Yeah.
Wouldn't want to lose that, maybe Hitler wasn't a bad guy content?
Yeah, you never know.
I wouldn't say that.
I did just now, but I wouldn't say that.
Weird to keep it in.
Yeah.
Also, you did hear Josh singing along to his ringtone, which was an Afro Man song.
So there's a little bit of evidence that maybe Josh is a fro-head.
Yeah, maybe he is.
He's also a bit of a Hitler homie.
Josh Feuerstein himself.
Has that dropped, by the way?
Have you seen this come out?
I haven't, but I haven't had my eye on the show too much this week.
I've got some catching up to do, so I'll let you know.
I'll keep you posted.
Josh has no problem with Hitler, or at least portraying him, it sounds like.
It does seem that way, doesn't it?
Not off limits, you know, he's a real groundbreaking type guy.
So we've heard about the conservative response to the Hunter Got High song, but what about the libs?
I mean, most liberals I know enjoy it.
Well, have you gotten any feedback from people on the left?
You know what?
About it or?
Who is a public democrat these days?
Who walks around with a Biden t-shirt on?
I'm looking.
Who?
You know who runs around here?
I'm a I don't see him.
Is this just life moving forward?
That we have to wear political merch to show support?
Yeah, you gotta wear a red fucking coat in the streets now.
Just so you can let everyone know.
This is the policy I believe in!
Cool.
Goddamn, so stupid.
It sucks because I just dropped off my Obamacare hoodie at Goodwill.
Dude.
No!
My Biden-Harris tank is ruined.
Millions of Americans saved.
Can you believe this?
Now dismissed.
Yes, can you believe that not everyone wants to wear a Trump t-shirt?
What would even a Biden t-shirt look like?
I don't know.
I could look at the merch.
Yeah, if we're talking like the coolest version of a Biden t-shirt.
Oh, classic.
I mean, we've got, of course, Dark Brandon style.
Dark Brandon mug is incredible.
Yeah, Dark Brandon's the first thing I went to, I guess.
Yeah.
Glowing eyes.
You could get some like foil wrapped on his eyes.
Free on Wednesday shirts.
Free on Wednesday shirt is funny.
I like that.
It's good.
So maybe they're on the pulse.
Maybe we do need to fucking settle into this.
Yeah.
This is cool as hell.
So here's the thing.
I like gimmicks.
So I like free on Wednesdays.
It's a great shirt.
However.
What he's wondering is he's like, why doesn't everyone just join a cult?
That's a great question.
It's a cult of personality on Trump.
It's a fandom though, is more of what it is, and it shouldn't be like that.
I don't like Biden, I just hate Trump.
I mean even at the peak of my liking of Obama and Bernie, I was not wearing Obama and Bernie merch.
I actually shaved my head and did a blonde como.
I hope that this isn't how things are moving forward.
You can close your, lower your head down and say hope on the top.
Yeah, it's at hope.
No, it's just, I just, I hope that this isn't how things are moving forward.
I really, really would like things to go back to normal at some point where politics isn't
pop culture.
Afro man's going to have a hard time seeing it because pop culture is his life.
Yeah, if pop-up video was still a thing, that would be one of his only gigs, right?
I don't know if he would even be... I love the 2000s!
He had a song, but he wasn't a personality of any kind.
That's why I'm like...
It's not strange that someone like Crowder would bring him on to the show because anyone is good for them, I guess?
No one's really trying to ask Afro Man about what he thinks is happening in the country or otherwise.
I'm sure he does interviews as an artist, but it's like these talking head type shows.
No one's like, hey Rafa just got bombed, let's get Afro Man on.
He's a corny talking head.
Yeah, maybe he's been on like Fox News or something.
Maybe he's done Red Eye.
Well, ever since he signed to Based Records, so... Signed to Based Records?
Yeah.
Damn, dude.
It's spelled differently, but you get the point.
Maybe things have changed, but this is interesting.
Josh jumps in with a really dumb softball question that kind of sucks a little bit of the air out of the room and changes the direction of the conversation.
Is that a big thing in the black community, where people feel like they get treated differently in the judicial system, and then they see something like this with Hunter?
Is it extra aggravating?
You know, I don't want to, but I'mma just say of course.
You know, if you're totally conscious that me and you committed the same crime and you're getting more time, nobody has to tell you what that is.
The silence will tell you what that is.
Not right.
It's not right.
Yeah.
Which is something that people have been saying for a while now.
Well it's because it's a rich-poor thing.
It's a president versus non-president.
It's Biden versus Trump.
I thought it was like a go woke go broke kind of thing.
I mean, yeah, not much else to say with that clip.
I just wanted to do some quick Josh shaming here.
Like, what can you even say about this?
There was like an entire year.
Their main talking point is like, these people burnt down these buildings during 2020.
Talk about all the time.
Can you even believe these?
And over what?
And over what?
And then he asked the question like he's never heard the fucking answer before in his fucking life.
Yeah, man.
Black people are treated differently.
No, it's not black people, man.
It's Biden versus non-Biden.
Hey, black guy that I have sitting in front of me here.
Does it feel funny to you when, like, black people get, like, badder timed with police than, like, me guys that are white guys?
Great question.
It's very clear that on the right and left we can agree that there's a two-tiered system of justice, but the tiers we do not agree on.
And he's asking Afro Man this question as if they privately agree on the tiers, but they don't want to talk about it.
I mean, there's a lot of things they don't want to talk about.
Unfortunately, Josh, he doesn't always get the memo, and it does change the trajectory of the conversation a little bit.
Yeah, the shit goes over his head quite a bit.
Afro Man gives us one more reason for why he supports Trump.
I know this dude that we look up to in the hip hop community.
His name is Harry O. And I heard Donald Trump got Harry O out of the penitentiary.
Yeah.
And salute to, if that's true, salute to that.
Oh, he did a lot.
I mean, there were, I can't remember, there was a few.
He got Rocky A$AP.
Rocky A$AP.
And then I think it was Young Thug, maybe?
Yeah.
We should address those things real quick.
First off, it's A$AP Rocky.
No, it's actually Rihanna's husband.
Thank you very much.
He was not incarcerated.
July 2019, A$AP was arrested in Sweden after a street fight and charged with assault.
He was held in pre-trial detention.
And then Trump spoke up, advocated for his release, tweeting, That Sweden should give A$AP Rocky his freedom and that he was very disappointed in the Swedish Prime Minister for being unable to act.
Again, A$AP Rocky fought someone in the street.
But yeah, but you know, he's also like, so fucking good.
I mean, he is good, right?
I like him a lot.
Yeah.
Like, I think his last, the testing, I think that last record was called?
Sure.
The last LP.
I don't think I've heard it.
It's so good.
I mean, I like what I've heard.
And apparently Trump did too.
He was asked by Kanye and Kim to intervene in the case because of course, you know, Kim has previously worked with Trump on prison reform, which she has done some stuff.
Some stuff?
She's done some stuff.
Certainly.
But yeah, Rocky's lawyer stated that Trump's public comments made the situation, quote, a little worse and felt it could jeopardize a fair trial, though he was, quote, thankful for the support.
Yeah, the State Department did get involved with a senior official traveling to Sweden regarding the case.
However, the Swedish prosecutor maintained the case would proceed independently based on the evidence, not outside influence, and ultimately he was convicted of assault in August of 2019, but didn't serve any additional jail time.
Great work, Trump.
Donald Trump.
I got one foot on the Trump train.
Sure.
How do we get the other one on?
I think we just got to keep listening.
Yeah, I've got one foot on the Trump train.
How do I get that other one?
Is Young Thug going to take me up there?
I mean, Young Thug's still in jail.
Young Thug has a lot in common with Donald Trump.
They both are being charged under the RICO statue.
Both in Georgia right now too, isn't it?
May 2022, Young Thug, real name Jeffrey Williams.
That's interesting.
I'm glad it goes by Young Thug.
Arrested and charged with conspiring to violate the Racketeer Influenced and Corrupt Organizations, RICO Act, along with 27 other alleged YSL associates.
What does YSL stand for?
Uh, Young... Subtle lips.
Mmmmmmmmmmmmmm....
Subtle lips.
You have Saint Lauren?
That's the fashion brand.
It's different.
Prosecutors allege that YSL is a criminal street gang involved in multiple crimes like
murder, armed robbery, aggravated assault, and drug dealing in Atlanta since 2012.
We don't need to go all through this, but yeah.
Young Thug has been denied bond multiple times in his...
currently...
Currently slime life?
I think you're right.
The Young Stoner Life, I guess?
Yeah, so Young Thug denied Bond multiple times still in jail awaiting trial.
Which, uh, I guess, yeah.
Let's go, Trump!
Great, great work.
Great work, Trump.
But the Harry O thing...
So back in the 1980s, Michael Harry O. Harris, he was a powerful drug trafficker known as the Godfather of South Central Los Angeles.
Here in a nationwide operation working with gangs like the Bloods and Crips, both of them united in their need for drugs.
So Harry O. needs to get in here.
Yeah, when I read that as well, I was like, huh, he's just the kind of a go-between guy it sounds like.
Do you guys think that we should have Harry O. be the Senate Majority Leader?
I mean, if he can bring the Bulls and Crips together, he can bring the Dems and... That's a good point, man.
It's not bad, honestly.
Yeah, yeah.
People like these business types, too.
Yeah, he also worked with the Colombian cartel, bringing in nearly two million dollars daily.
See what I'm saying?
That's a lot of money.
That's a big operation.
That's more money than friggin' Donald Trump, probably.
That could fund education, dude.
Sure.
Despite his criminal activities, Harris claimed that he tried to do good for his community, kind of like a Robin Hood style thing, except he's not taking from the rich, he's actually taking from the poor and giving to the poor, investing his drug money into local businesses.
However, his past caught up with him and he was arrested in the 1980s and charged with drug trafficking and attempted murder, although the attempted murder charge was later dropped when the victim recanted, and I wonder why?
I thought the notes would reincarnate.
That's fun.
Maybe it's that gang stuff.
Yeah, I mean it could be.
It could be that maybe someone threatened his entire family and said take your thing back.
How about you don't say he tried to kill you, huh?
Yeah.
So Harris was sent to... Harris was sent in... Harris was sent in...
You ever get a swollen taste bud on the tip of your tongue?
Oh my god, it's so hard to say words.
Harris was sentenced to 25 years to life in prison, but while locked up, he took responsibility for his actions, stating, quote, the day you take responsibility for what you do is the day your life starts to change immediately.
Sounds like something a Democrat would say.
Kind of.
While in prison, Harris created mentorship programs for fellow inmates and teamed up with Suge Knight, and I feel like he's not a great guy, to co-found the iconic rap label Death Row Records.
That's how Death Row started?
Mm-hmm.
Whoa.
And they launched the careers of people like Snoop Dogg, Dr. Dre, Tupac, all people that we'll talk about here in a minute.
Harris helped manage the label's operations from behind bars.
Wow.
And in a surprising turn of events, after 33 years, that's like 1.25 Afro-man careers.
You had Afro-man years.
Yeah.
Trump pardoned him.
And this is bad, though.
Sadly, upon his release, Harris immediately went back to work, partnering with Snoop Dogg as the COO of the newly revived Death Row Records, with plans of rebranding Death Row as an NFT label operating in the metaverse.
So Hasbro bought Death Row.
The toy company?
Yeah, they bought it.
So I want to know does Snoop Dogg work for Hasbro or did you buy it from Hasbro?
That's interesting.
There's a really big fire between Hasbro and Mattel.
Is that right?
They're doing battleships together?
Yeah, they're doing battleships for sure, dude.
Yeah, so I mean, sure, I think that's great.
It sounds like a redemption.
It sounds like Harry O put in the work and I'm glad he got out of jail to help.
Yeah, but he wouldn't have if Trump didn't step in and save him, dude.
I don't know if that's true.
What do you know?
Well, I know we're gonna jump back into this interrogation- I mean interview.
If you couldn't- now let's just assume a situation existed in this country where you couldn't vote for yourself on the ticket because you are running for president in 2024.
Are you comfortable with saying who you would vote for?
If your choices were, I guess, at this point, RFK, Trump and Biden.
At this point, you know what I'm saying, Donald Trump would possibly be my logical.
The Democrats, they tell black people, hey, you know, we're going to get on to the police.
And once they get in office, they don't know us no more, you know what I'm saying?
They say, hey, then if you stay on the plantation and stay in the slave quarters, they'll make sure they give you some cold grits once a day and your little slice of cheese.
But don't make no extra money, because now we've got to take your social security.
We've got to take your welfare.
We've got to take this, that, and the other.
Blah, blah, blah, blah, blah, blah, blah.
The right doesn't want to do that?
No, no, no.
I'm starting to, over the years, I heard, you know, I believe that, let's see, Lincoln freed the slaves and he was a Republican.
Yeah.
Here we go.
Yeah, you can flip back to that episode about the Hodge twins if you want to get the slick rundown on that.
I really hate this argument because it's so like focused on the name of things and the label of things.
It'd be like if Uh, somebody shot you and they go, I didn't shoot you.
And they go, Oh, you, you said you didn't shoot me.
So it must be exactly what you're saying.
Yeah.
This is all kind of like that whole Democrats are the party of the KKK argument that they continually reuse, which of course, I don't know if Jared, you went into that in your Hodge twins episode, but we touched on it and just that, like what brought us the 1960s and kind of the big upheaval of the parties.
Post-Civil War, the Klan emerged in an effort to intimidate Southern blacks to stay out of politics and to continue exploiting their labor.
It didn't really have anything to do with the Democrats.
Politically, it just so happened that some members of the KKK were part of the Democrats because the Whig Party was done.
Yeah, this is long before anybody that is alive would have any Like, this just doesn't have any, like, relevancy in, like, modern times.
But also to say that, like, 1960s is when we got a lot of these, like, Confederate monuments and stuff too, but he's like, I'm not with that Confederacy monument stuff earlier on, he said.
Yeah, he wants them down.
It's a little convoluted so far.
I think it's just as simple as, I don't give a shit about what you call the people I vote for, I care about the issues.
And what they, yeah, what they say.
Totally, if I found out that they were actually called Republicans, I would vote Republican then.
Yeah, if the ideas of the parties were flipped, I would probably vote Republican.
It's just how it works.
It just doesn't make sense to me.
I don't really blame Afroman for feeling how he feels.
Smoke a blunt and drink a 40 and think about it.
Maybe we shouldn't be on that plantation over there.
We gotta stay in the slave quarters.
Don't make too much money.
You know?
Yeah, it's like the Democrats will buy you a joint and then arrest you for it.
Come on, give us your vote.
Give us your cotton.
Okay, now get back over there to those slave quarters.
We don't give a damn about you.
We're gonna take reparation money and give it to Ukraine.
Yeah.
And in Israel.
And I don't know about you.
If you're from another country, you need a loan for a business.
Here you go.
Here you go.
I don't know those people.
They need to, you know, pull up their own bootstraps.
And I'm not giving them their 40 acres.
No.
No.
F**k them.
Yeah.
Okay.
Vote for us.
You're not black if you don't vote for us.
That was some serious jazz.
It was.
He was just scatting right there.
He's Scooby-Dobby Demon, for sure.
No pushback on any of the reparation stuff that he brought up or... No, of course not.
I don't even think that they probably caught that that's what he was saying, to be honest.
He's moving so fast.
Just Ski-Boo Dobbin.
I guarantee you that when he says the word... He threw a lot at them there.
It's like hard to identify what he was actually going after as far as like a point he's trying to make there.
But I mean the big point is yeah as a country we've treated black people terribly.
Yeah, and I completely understand his frustration.
Of course, that's why he's a Republican.
Well, that's the thing I was gonna say is I do think the right has done far more harm for the black community.
That comment of the Democrats will give you a joint and then arrest you for smoking it?
No.
They absolutely fucking wouldn't.
I think that's what I was like kind of getting hung up on.
That was like a hinge point in that, but also that was Josh saying that, so.
Yeah.
Yeah, yeah.
I'm with you on that one, Dennis.
Like the, what analogy is that?
It's like we all have the parents in our friends groups that would be like, hey, if you guys get drunk, just stay home.
Sure.
Yeah.
You can, you can have the basement.
Just don't drive.
Don't get hurt yourself.
You know, just using that weed example.
I've never met someone on the left who would trick you into smoking weed so they could get you in trouble.
It doesn't make sense.
I don't see that at all.
And all of these places that are legalizing marijuana are all democratic places.
They're, for the most part, blue states.
Yeah.
But even, like, most red states have adopted some sort of at least, like, medical marijuana program.
Like, it's just something that, like, makes sense, you know?
And I don't even smoke!
And I don't give a shit now.
Yeah.
Yeah, I really don't.
I don't understand what that analogy was.
But even more so, like, what did he say specifically about reparations?
He said the reparation money was given to Ukraine instead of Portugal.
And then also brought up the 40 acres that black people are owed.
Yes.
Historically, basically every minority that was owed anything never got it.
The government has failed.
That's what he's saying.
Yeah, I'm with that for sure.
Trump will fix that.
Yeah, he's gonna build that wall and then you can say that that's where the money went as well, I guess.
But you like it because it's him?
I don't know.
Well, then Gerald decides to probe the community a bit.
Is that a sentiment you're starting to see in the black community as well?
Just with friends and people saying, hey, look, I may have been a lifelong Democrat, but I'm tired of getting lied to.
Dude, we're not even into politics and we're starting to get into it.
You know, like, we gave up on the whole system.
You know, Obama was president of the United States and two white cops still took me to jail.
All right, we're good, black and blue.
All right, Obama, thanks, I'll be out here.
Watch your head, buddy.
Hmm, why the heck would he be arrested by two white cops while Obama was in office?
Well, it's because... 94 crime bill.
Nope, it's because in February of 2015 he punched a female fan who came up on stage pretty hard in the face.
Yeah, he knocked her out.
Performing in Biloxi, Mississippi.
Cell phone footage of this.
It's an ugly watch.
I don't recommend it.
It shows a woman walking up to Afro Man, granted, from behind, could be startling.
He didn't seem startled though.
She starts dancing near him and he turns around.
He's playing guitar at the same time, which is hard to do.
Punch and play guitar at the same time.
Is he playing like a Cherry Red Stratocaster?
Yeah.
I don't know if it was cherry red.
Struck the woman with a punch to the face, knocking her down.
The woman, later identified as Haley Hood, suffered a concussion and was hospitalized after the assault.
In an interview, she stated that she got up on stage after being invited by Afro Man himself during the concert.
Democrats gonna give you weed and then arrest you for it.
Oh interesting You guys need to look up afro man guitar and look at this.
He's got a pot one.
He's got a double neck Epiphone SG The Dean flying V. Yeah, I see that See no it was a strat it was a cream with a black pickguard.
It could be tortoise shell But after an investigation, Afroman was charged and arrested.
The simple assault later released on a $330 bond.
I was thinking it was fucking Marty McFly's who I was thinking of.
And the charge would say he's gonna fuck his mom.
Come on, man.
So yeah, he claimed Afro Man, not Marty McFly, that he reacted after being startled by a fan thinking it was a male fan who had been heckling him previously in the night.
He also said he didn't get the chance to smoke weed before the show, so he was like... On edge.
Yeah.
But yeah, the video clearly shows it was an unprovoked attack and the woman didn't appear to be posing any threat.
In fact, she was just having a good time, dancing to his music.
Yeah, she shouldn't.
He's worried about Dimebag Daryl.
Thanks a lot, Obama.
Thanks, Obama.
I haven't heard that in a while.
Thanks, Obama.
There are more personal reasons for Afro-man to be pro-Trump.
You know, I don't like that stop and frisk stuff.
You know, because I'm going to be the one getting stopped and frisked.
Yes.
Why wouldn't I?
I mean, come on.
I do some frisking even when you're not in the house.
You know what I'm saying?
Now, I think a lot of us started having love for Donald Trump when he got raided, because we all get raided.
I know.
That's what I was saying, yeah.
You get frisked when you're leaving home.
Donald Trump got ready, oh no, he's a homie now.
Nah, nah, nah.
Does Afroman know anything about any policies and what Trump wants?
You mean the fact that Trump wants the death penalty for drug dealers?
Anything.
Does he know a single policy that Trump wants?
I mean, honestly, I don't think he does.
I don't think Trump knows any policies he wants.
That's probably true as well, but first of all, yeah, stopping Frisk is bad.
Yeah, of course it is.
I'm with him on that.
It's terrible, and Trump doesn't give a shit.
Of course not.
And Gerald clearly says that because he's a clean-cut looking white guy, he's like, why wouldn't I be Frisked?
Ask him about the Central Park Five.
Did they ask him that in this one?
I don't think they talk about the Trump's paid op ad that tried to get the death penalty for a bunch of young black men.
Yeah, really fun.
But here it is.
Gerald's hip-hop past.
I remember, so I listened to almost nothing but hip hop and rap in the early 90s.
That was everything, like Tupac and Biggie, all those guys, Snoop, everything about that.
I loved it, it was great.
Name five more.
That other guy, California Love.
No, that was Tupac too.
How about any members of NWA?
No, no, no, the guy California Love.
You guys probably just haven't heard of it.
You guys probably just haven't heard of it.
I'm not surprised that he has... I would expect him to know those exact rappers and nobody else.
Yeah.
He knows Vanilla Ice, though.
Of course he does.
He's big into hip-hop.
I bet MC Hammer, too.
Go Ninja!
Go Ninja!
Go!
Yeah, yeah.
Unfortunately, boys, this was a brief musical affair with hip-hop for Gerald.
Until I started cussing in front of a coach on a football team because I was listening to the song and just kind of playing it and cussing, I got in a lot of trouble.
Gotcha.
So I flipped to Christian music, which was a bit of a shock the very next day.
But I remember when I was growing up, like, the racial issues, like, that we see today, it felt like we were over that then.
Like, we've talked about it.
We weren't done with it, but I didn't see it.
Out of ear, out of sight, out of mind, it's Christian time.
He's like, these guys were having all this like crazy beef back then.
They were saying some pretty fucking crazy things about each other and all that, but I, you know, I thought it was
like chill, dude.
Remember those guys that was, uh, you mentioned them earlier, Byron, the NWA guys?
They were just kidding about those lyrics, right?
Like, there wasn't any real reason why.
They didn't want to fuck the police.
They wanted to fuck the police.
You see what I'm saying?
Honk honk.
You know?
A little squeeze.
Tupac never had any lyrics that said things like, I see no changes, all I see are racist faces.
Misplaced hate makes disgrace for races.
I don't know.
I don't know the lyrics.
Something like that.
Gerald was singing one song on the football field that involved cursing.
He was oblivious to that being inappropriate.
He was saying the hard N. I wouldn't be surprised.
He had to go to church and do some praying.
He was singing the thong song.
He's older than that.
Oh, he's definitely.
Baby.
Ooh, that girl's so scandalous.
They could sing it again.
Ooh, that dress so scandalous.
Sure.
What if it was a thong song and you dropped that R to R?
There's gotta be, right?
What is it?
Is it not in the... Think I'm singing again!
Have you been singing an N word that didn't?
He's just putting it in there that didn't.
You've been singing...
A slur that didn't actually exist.
That would... Ooh, that girl so scandalous.
And I know... Another couldn't handle it.
So you're shaking that thing like who's the ish?
With the look in the eyes so devilish.
Look like a dancer on hip-hop squats.
And cruise with the crew like a knack the dice.
I love the idea of someone misplacing that and doing it privately.
What kind of friends do you think Gerald had?
I had all kinds of different friends and I didn't care, even up in high school and middle school, I didn't care if you were Hispanic, if you were black, if you were Asian, if you were white, none of it mattered.
It just seemed like... What I had to realize a long time ago that it was still out there.
It was better, but it's still out there.
And then I had to realize that it's going to always be there.
So Gerald, the white guy in the 90s, gets to proclaim that because he has all of these friends of different ethnic backgrounds, it doesn't bother him.
Dude, racism's gone.
I guarantee that that's real.
And he keeps in touch with all of those people.
He definitely does.
I guarantee it.
Especially the gay ones.
We could go to his Facebook page and see.
Yeah, let's check his Facebook page and do a quick demo test.
Take a peek here.
And I just, I think it's offensive of him in the face of someone who has clearly experienced some oppression, which we'll get to in a second.
It's like telling a black person I don't see color.
That's exactly what he's doing.
Playing the hits.
Yeah, I got friends.
I got a lot of friends.
Afro man, that's something that most people don't know about me is how many friends I've got.
So many friends.
And let me tell you, I see what's in their heart is what I'm trying to say here, okay?
and and it turns out that like check this out gay people don't have hearts black people have hearts and white people the purest hearts and if there's if they're listening to secular music with me buddy match made in heaven okay girl baby girl Afro man at this point explores what seeing no justice for Rodney King was like of course I thought the videotape would change stuff.
Like, no.
So once I realized that cops could beat you up on video and still get away with it, and then I would hear cops say stuff to me, this, that, and the other, and I would You know, you go in the bathroom, you see a swastika on the wall, you see KKK scratched into the situation.
It was always there.
Yeah.
I always knew it was there.
What's up with that, by the way?
Why are Nazis always in the bathroom?
They are.
You know what?
I'm gonna tell you something.
It's like their message board.
It's like their place.
I'm gonna tell you what.
You notice how On your social media, they call it your Facebook wall, because it's the cyber bathroom.
That's why everybody's talking so much shit.
Yeah.
Yeah.
Afro Man was saying some of the most poignant things that he's said all night.
Yep.
And Josh steps in to be like, what's up with bathroom walls?
Yeah, he's sitting right on this bathroom wall.
He wanted to workshop some jokes for his next stand-up special.
I'm gonna bounce my knees off you guys, just say what comes to your mind.
It's like a Facebook wall because they're always talking shit.
You see that photo I sent you?
So, all the way from occupied Texas, B-D-D-D-D-D-D-D special report, Jared's over here doing deep research.
What is this?
Is this a picture of G. Morgan Jr.?
Gerald himself?
Yeah, that's him.
Yeah Doing the virgin stance between Crowder who's doing soy face and I don't know who these other three.
Oh my god, that is Steven Crowder.
Yeah, you didn't see that?
No Crowder's doing soy face Morgan's doing the Virgin stance.
I think I like Crowder's deeply unbuttoned button-up with no undershirt.
Yeah, he's got a gingham a big gingham.
Yeah Untucked.
In this one Gerald looks like the guy who bought the high schoolers beer Yeah, he does provide that energy.
He does fit the bill.
He's got a pair of glasses insurance gets you for free.
He's got a faux hawk.
He's got a deep v-neck that is striped or Henley.
I can't see the buttons.
Either way, it's purple and black striped.
So he's the edgy youth pastor.
Yeah, he totally is.
Great.
Oh, damn.
And you found this on a private Facebook?
Is that?
Yeah.
Oh, wow.
Did you like it?
Did you double tap that shit?
Let me make sure I got him.
I think we should probably continue exploring this well at some point.
But for now... This is actually also kind of funny.
His biking outfit.
Post this one to you real quick.
Oh hell yeah.
Good for him getting after it, but that is the most Michael Scott ass looking shit I've ever seen in my fucking life.
He's got chafed nipples, dude.
He's bleeding through that thing.
Well, of course, that was Ed Helms' character.
However, it still rings for me.
Well, good thing Dr. Afroman has an idea on how to cure racism.
He fixed it.
So what we need is a prescription.
There's always going to be a common code.
The code is not going nowhere.
But we have a prescription for a cold.
So when it pops up, we know the remedies.
Yes, vitamin C, penicillin, this, that, and the other.
And then you get over the cold.
So I say there's always going to be some bad and some hate in the world.
To a shallow-minded person, in the Walmart store of evil, Some people buy racism.
Some people buy burglary.
Some people buy murder.
Some people buy child molestation.
You know what I'm saying?
But it's all bad.
So you're either one or two people.
No matter what color you are, you're either good or you're bad.
I feel like he stuck the landing a little bit.
He killed the landing!
However, I mean, good and evil, they're two clearly defined things, of course.
Of course, absolutely, what's good?
Nothing in between.
And I do want to mention, antibiotics aren't good.
But vitamin C is.
Well, vitamin C can help, but yeah, colds are caused by viruses.
You've never gotten a prescription for a cold before?
I've never gotten penicillin for a cold?
And then give you a penicillin shot right in your throat?
Cleared it up, I feel better.
Yeah.
Interesting.
A lot of analogies, very mixed.
But, I mean, I guess I get what he's saying.
Walmart is where you buy crimes.
Yeah, man, and God is good and the devil is evil.
Black Friday sale on racism.
Oh, that's when I get my racism.
Yeah, I get racism on Black Friday.
I get a great deal on it.
I get a great deal on my racism.
Well, damn it.
It's time to get into Gerald's favorite part of the conversation.
Faith.
Wonderful commodity.
It's the key commodity.
It's the key possession a human being needs to have.
You know, like they say, they brought Jesus down to earth.
He said he was led by the spirit into the wilderness to be tempted by the devil.
So God wanted to test drive him in a human body to see if he had the capabilities Of doing things.
So Jesus was doing these things, but what he was trying to say, like, look, man, you guys can do it too.
I guess later on the disciples, they laid hands on the sick and they were healed.
They cast out demons.
They did all the things that Jesus was doing because he was letting them know, like, hey, you can do it.
It's like you're the salesman.
Jesus was the salesman at the Verizon store.
I mean, I got distracted when he said he wanted to take a ride.
What'd he say?
Well, he said that God wanted to, uh... Hang on a sec, hang on a sec.
This needs to make a little bit better sense to me real quick.
Oh?
Uh-oh.
Uh-oh.
What's going on over there?
Okay, so let's get down to brass tacks here boys When Jesus was telling us to go through the woods, he was just telling us to go a little further, you know?
I need one more, hang on a second.
So what are you gonna say?
Well, yeah, I mean, the religion stuff, I mean, you can't criticize people's interpretation of faith, I suppose.
I got so distracted.
It's his A-plus testimony.
He's the Verizon... He's the Verizon store.
God wanted to take Jesus on a ride in human form.
Is Vince God?
No, I mean, it's awesome to hear that.
I mean, I kind of thought, based on some of the things that I'd heard, and then when I heard you saying some stuff, I'm like, this man does have faith.
Like you said, everybody's a sinner, and we all have different kind of sinful habits and sinful things that we do in our life, but your story is really interesting, because when you wrote, or when you, I guess, wrote and kind of pitched this last song, it was, you know, but then I got high.
That was kind of your last, like, shot at the music industry, essentially.
And then that started gaining traction, started blowing up, and you signed your record deal, you mentioned that, and you started touring and doing all of these things, and then at kind of what should have been the peak, September 11th happens, right?
And then everybody kind of changed their tune a little bit.
There was a big shift in funny songs about weed when 9-11 happened.
Yeah, yeah.
I saw in another interview he blamed 9-11 for the lack of continued momentum in his career.
Which didn't quite make any sense to me.
What?
He seemed to blame the... They don't want fun music anymore.
They want, like, protest music or something with a bit more edge, but I don't even think that's... I can see that, but it's... I mean, I can see, like, people wanting, like, more serious music, but I also can see people wanting a reprieve.
Yeah, exactly.
I can also see people wanting to get high.
A thousand percent.
Yeah.
Let's see what the most popular albums from... Me?
Uh, I'm sorry, when I said Vince, I meant Paul from the... Can you hear me now?
Oh, sure, sure, the Verizon guy.
Thank you for clarifying that.
We just let it go.
Jay-Z's The Blueprint came out in 2001.
People really liked that album quite a bit.
Good record, yeah.
I mean, there was a lot of rock being released at this time, but I mean... I Get Wet, Andrew WK, hell yeah.
I just, I don't think it has anything to do with 9-11.
No, it does, actually.
Yeah, that's one of the first things Bush did.
Okay.
I think especially the Andrew WK record.
I mean, maybe rock music did... maybe that's... I mean, rock music, I think, had a nice little, like, boon in the early 2000s.
But hip-hop had plenty, too.
Of course!
I mean, maybe it was more thoughtful music, like Talib Kweli, or Blackalicious, or Clipse, or Nas, or The Roots.
Or Tupac, or Snoop Dogg.
Sure.
I mean, that woke bullshit still exists.
Yeah, I mean, Atmosphere, of course, Sage Francis.
Yeah, backpack rap stuff.
Yeah, that started just because they weren't doing goofy, corny songs about smoking weed.
Yeah, like hip-hop's a young man's game, so it's kind of whatever the newest generation makes it, you know?
That's why every time you see Jay-Z come up in conversation now, everyone's just like, oh, you mean that washed old man?
That corny billionaire?
Yeah, and rightfully so.
I don't think Jay-Z's trying to be that guy anymore.
I think he knows where he's at in life, and he's definitely won.
He's got 99 problems, but a grift ain't one.
That's it, man.
I'm sure that there's a couple grifts in there.
I think he's sneaking them in there.
Overall, he's doing fine.
Remember that question that was like, would you rather get like five million dollars or have dinner with Jay-Z?
Do you remember that?
No.
No.
It was a big Twitter question a while back.
Maybe it was a million dollars or whatever, but like, you know, they, someone, whoever, they approached Jay-Z and they said, how do you feel about this?
He's like, take the money.
Like, why would you ever, like, he's like, what am I going to tell you that's going to be like super relevant that's going to make you a millionaire?
He got lucky.
He's talented, but even talent is luck.
So why would you want to sit down with Jay-Z?
What kind of advice can he give you if you don't already have the talent needed?
He would just give you the advice to have not met with him if you did this again.
Yeah.
I was like, that's the right answer.
He passed the test.
And so like, to that end, Jay-Z's... Willy Wonka.
He's good.
Yeah, he's just good.
He's where he's at.
He's Charlie.
He already did hip-hop, and hip-hop is like, it's moved beyond whatever that is.
And hip-hop is also the most, like, culturally expedited thing that we do in America.
You know, like, that's the thing that we push out the most to the rest of the world.
That and entertainment as a whole, anyway.
But other countries, that's why you see, like, you know, Pesa Paloma or, like, Bad Bunny, like all these other countries that are, like, kind of not necessarily behind where American hip-hop was, but they've taken what American hip-hop was and they've turned it into these cultural touchstones.
And they are some of the most, like, sold albums in the entire world.
Absolutely.
But if all these sales are so great, imagine how much better they'd be if 9-11 never happened.
Great point.
Glad you brought that up.
What would culture be at all?
I feel like Afro Man's songs are basically parodies, but they're not, like, of anything.
They're like Weird Al originals.
Sure.
Yeah, totally, totally.
And some people might think they're funny, you know, folks like...
Kid Rock invited me to a comedy jam, and it was fun.
I love cracking jokes.
I want to do more comedy, but I don't want to take the pay cut.
Let me dive into a couple of things here on the table.
We talk about pay cuts.
Some money got taken from you in a raid at your house in Ohio.
Now, if you weren't aware of this, August 2022, Afroman found himself entangled in a bizarre legal situation in Adams County, Ohio.
Deputies from the Adams County Sheriff's Department conducted a raid on his residence as part of an investigation into alleged kidnapping and drug trafficking activities.
You don't have a sex dungeon in your house, right?
No, sir.
Okay, I didn't think so.
But that was why they raided your house, right?
This is the dumbest thing that I've ever heard.
This is like your pizza gate, essentially.
I can't believe that that was their excuse.
Like, you know, say, look, he's a black guy.
We hate him.
We don't want him in Adams County.
Just tell the truth, dude.
Like, a f***ing dungeon?
Really?
That is a white person thing.
I do not have a dungeon.
Yeah, I'm a freed slave.
The last thing I want is a f***ing dungeon.
I just keep changing in the basement for fun, you know?
Just to remind me.
I don't even want a basement.
I might not make it out of that mother******.
So no charges were ultimately filed against the rapper, but Afro Man, of course, wasn't thrilled about the raid.
He has talked about it several times so far in conversations.
Kind of what he's made his personality in the past few years.
He didn't like how it was carried out.
We'll get into it, as well as what he did with the security footage here in a bit.
But he claimed that the deputies caused significant property damage, including a broken door.
Of course, they kicked it open.
They bent his gate.
He said that some wiring was damaged from a security system.
He also claimed that they straight-up took cash from him and didn't return some of it.
Overall, the total was around $20,000 that would make things right.
But so they took $5,000 that was there, what did they just assume that that was drug money or something?
Yeah, I make that every night, if not more, singing.
That suit, matter of fact, I got a video, you can go to my Instagram, I got a post up right now where the money they took that They took that money out of that suit coat.
I performed with Snoop Dogg and Wiz Khalifa at Red Rocks in Denver.
And I had such a great time.
I got drunk and I forgot the dude gave me the cash in that coat pocket.
Oh no.
And they took that?
Yeah.
They were searching my coat.
They were supposed to be looking for kidnapping victims.
In your pockets?
What is this?
Downsizing?
What is this?
Child trafficking for ants?
So the warrant wasn't looking for a sex dungeon.
Well, I guess it wasn't just looking for a sex dungeon and kidnapping victims.
And the warrant right here.
Read over that real quick.
Alright, so, to any law enforcement officer of Adams County, Ohio, whereas there has been filed before me an affidavit demonstrating probable cause for the search to be made of, address here... You don't want to say his address there?
Being a single-family, two-story home with white siding, having green shut down... No, no.
You can skip all that.
Namely, items of evidence including but not limited to unknown quantity of marijuana, marijuana derivatives, any and all other drugs of abuse, drug paraphernalia including scales, packaging materials, and paraphernalia used for the sale and administration of said drugs, money obtained from the sale of illegal drugs, documentation regarding the sale of illegal drugs, as well as weapons used for the protection of the above.
So that makes sense.
We can argue whether or not that's a valid reason to execute a warrant on someone, but of course, they weren't just looking in his pockets to steal stuff.
Like, the judge is not just going to be like, yeah, go for it.
Well, and the money in the pocket from Red Rocks with Wiz Khalifa and Snoop, that's kind of weird to me.
Well, I think it's funny that he says that he makes that much money every night singing.
Well, I'll get to that.
Is he busking?
No, he's a rap singer.
So even weirder though, it seems like the last time he performed with those two at Red Rocks was 4-20-2017 at the Mary Jane Wellness Retreat.
Also there was Cypress Hill.
Afro Man only came out to do Because I Got High, of course.
Imagine doing one song.
Well, I mean, for one song, 5k makes sense, because I did try to book Afro Man.
Oh, nice.
Is he here?
No, he's not, and I'm sure he could be haggled down, but they're asking for between 10k and 30k for an appearance.
And they gave him cash.
I mean, maybe- Hey man, good to see you.
Let me Venmo you some money for your performance.
I mean, I don't know, maybe they gave him 5k in 2017 and he kept it in a suit pocket for five years.
Well, it could be like a ski jacket.
No, it wasn't.
It was like a Matthew Lesko-esque, like... Yeah, maybe it's a Londoner in a ski jacket.
He only gets dressed up occasionally for those shows.
Hey, well, maybe they're confused.
They looked at it and they said, hey, is that free money?
That's a reference I hope someone understands.
Did the suit have money signs on it?
Is that how they got it?
I don't know, I mean, whatever the reality of this situation.
He wasn't charged with anything.
And a warrant was issued by a judge.
Yeah.
Not just like a rogue cop trying to get some cash.
And we may figure out a little bit more about why this got put in place.
Then you talk about a series of retaliatory music videos that Afroman made using security camera footage of the police officers from inside his modest Cincinnati compound.
Sure.
What's the song called?
I see the song in the music video on YouTube.
What's it called though?
Will You Help Me Repair My Door?
Yes, Will You Help Me Repair My Door.
Look, we actually have a clip of that.
The Will You Help Me Repair My Door.
door let's play that real quick.
will you help me repair my door did you find what you was looking for
for? Will you help me repair my gate and door?
Will you help me repair my gate and door?
That's the same melody, right?
But also, I just want to say that like, I was doing a little research on this song and it turns out that he actually, he recorded a demo of this and sent it to Dr. Demento and recorded it directly again from the radio.
And that's what we are hearing.
Oh, wow.
That makes sense.
That explains the quality.
Yeah, exactly.
He didn't even have the original copy.
I got to appreciate that.
That's pretty cool.
Which preset on the Casio keyboard do you think he's using for the drum beat?
That's another great question.
The Wesley Willis built-in one.
I mean, it's not a good song.
It's bad.
It's very bad.
Very bad.
So this video, it's made up entirely of Surveillance footage of the officers.
Of his butt moving around.
Oh yeah, there's that.
There's them pushing open the gates.
And they all do have AR-15s.
This is an image that we'll talk about here in a minute, but you see this sheriff with a pistol in hand walking by a glass-covered cake stand.
That to say, a low-effort video, low-effort song, and a low-effort comment from Josh.
Did they ever fix the door?
Indirectly.
In a way.
Oh man, I got a beautiful gate now.
You oughta see it now.
I gotta get you guys a picture.
Same place?
Yeah, same place.
It's a cartoon picture of me at the players' ball.
I got these two girls on the side of me.
Then I got Lick-Em-Low Lisa over there with her pistol.
And then I got Officer Poundcake with his pistol.
Wait, is that named after the officer that stole your poundcake?
Yes.
He's a jelly bastard.
All of these officers have names, dude.
If you Google their names, I sentenced them to a life of humiliation.
With no eligibility of parole, man.
Was there any backlash from that?
From putting that video out?
From them?
Yeah, so after the raid, Afro Man released these two songs, Will You Help Me Repair My Door?
and a song called Lemon Pound Cake, which you'll hear in a minute, which mocked the officer's actions during the raid.
The Lemon Pound Cake video directly featured footage from his security camera showing an officer eyeing a lemon pound cake in his kitchen.
Not taking it or eating it.
But definitely licking his chops.
He did look like he was interested in it.
He definitely is kind of has one of his eyes on it for sure.
I mean it sounds like he skipped lunch and he's like, well... And that boy don't skip no lunch, I'll tell you that.
Aphroman also posted the raid footage on social media along with commentary criticizing the officer's conduct and promoting related merchandise that he made with these images.
This all led to March of 2023 when seven officers filed a lawsuit against Aphroman alleging that he used footage of their faces without consent, which apparently is a misdemeanor in Ohio, and invaded their privacy causing them to receive threats and suffer emotional distress.
It's up for skin, I think, but yeah, they're seeking $25,000 in damages on four counts, as well as attorney's fees and an order prohibiting Afroman from publishing any more related content to the raid footage, which I think he should probably do that anyway, because it's two years ago at this point.
So move on.
Do I, do I dare bring our Bohemian friend back?
Who would that be?
Boys, hit the bongos.
Lemon Pound Cake, he want to put down his Glock.
Lemon Pound Cake, trending on TikTok.
Lemon Pound Cake, he's a family guy.
Wait, let me take that one again.
He's a family guy.
Lemon Pound Cake, Got the munchies.
Because he got high!
Wow.
Wow.
And those are Afro-man lyrics, but your interpretation... Reinterpolating.
Well, as Josh will bring up in a second.
Wonderful work, Jared, by the way.
Really appreciate that.
That was great.
As Josh will bring up in a second, the legal experts kind of agree.
Officers here have a relatively weak case.
You know, using the security footage constitutes artistic expression, parody, and social commentary, which are protected by the First Amendment.
They should just let it go.
Yeah.
And so should Afro Man.
And they should move on.
You want somebody's house?
They got footage of it.
Yes, they broke into my house.
They put themselves on my surveillance camera.
Yeah, they are my property.
Well, that's actually with disconnecting your camera to play that one.
The camera one where they're disconnecting it.
Speculator, hater, any kidnapping victims in my refrigerator.
Congratulations, TikTok star.
Now the world knows how stupid you are.
Lucky you're a family guy.
Got the munchies because you guy.
You never catch white people breaking their...
He wasn't there for the raid.
He was in Chicago doing a show.
Honest money from me man, but you can't solve the murder in C-Man
C-Man!
I mean a couple things he got wrong.
He wasn't there for the raid.
He was in Chicago doing a show.
The second video, the Lemon Pound Cake video, he does make it appear like the raid is happening
with him there.
Yeah, because that's how he positions it.
And I didn't, I didn't.
You took him for his word here.
Yeah.
Yeah.
I, I, I'm listening.
I'm listening at work most of the time.
And I, uh, I don't have a lot of time to jump in the chat and yeah.
Yeah.
See what, see what he's saying.
Usually I'll take notes and kind of like think back on it, but that, I, I thought that that was, uh, yeah.
I was like, why would he lie about that?
I don't know.
I mean, I read a news report interview with him about it and how it all went down.
He said a neighbor saw police on his property and his neighbor called him when he was in Chicago, so... Production's better on that one, I suppose, right?
It sounded better for sure.
Certainly, certainly.
But yeah, hearing a second Afro man doesn't really help his own case, but I guess it probably doesn't matter.
Don't make me rap about you!
I'll humiliate, ridicule, give you loss of reputation.
You'll live on forever, but not in a way that you'll enjoy.
So the pound cake obviously didn't get returned, but the money did minus $400.
Yes.
Did they steal your money?
Yes, they did.
They stole money that he didn't know was there.
Also, the lemon pound cake wasn't stolen at all.
So is this suit he's just had the suit sitting in his closet hung up for five years and they were like I don't know saw the dry cleaning ticket on it and they're like he's not gonna notice if we take this cool-ass Matthew Lesko suit.
I think when you see $5,000 sitting in a suit pocket and you're... But it's gotta be inside the jacket.
You know what I mean?
Like, it's in your breast pocket on the jacket if it's inside the suit.
They look through all of his clothes and his CD cases and other things because they're looking for money that a drug trafficker would have.
He would put it in a safe.
I mean, you would hope that you would, but this is a man who literally forgot he had $5,000.
I don't know.
None of that matters.
That's all speculation.
It doesn't...
Yeah, I don't know.
Either way, weird to, you know, say you're causing loss of reputation publicly when all of this harassment has been totally worth it.
Well, sorry for the Amish police kicking in your... I know they weren't the Amish police.
No, man, it's the best thing that ever happened to me, man.
That's why... Why do you think I'm on Louder with Crowder?
Why do you think I'm on Saturday Night Live, dude?
You know what?
That's a blessing in disguise.
You know what I tell everybody?
I'm like Rodney King without the ass whooping.
Can I get some Rodney King money without the ass whooping?
Can you hold the ass whooping?
Did you already do SNL or are you going to do it soon?
No, they already, hopefully I do some more, but they had a parody of me with like Donald Trump.
Yeah, that's not doing SNL.
Hey man, they made fun of me on SNL.
You just skipped over it though, I like, you know.
I like how he's danced around that.
I caught him doing that another time in a separate interview.
He didn't do SNL.
He was part of a cold open Trump skit where, I mean, this is... Did someone pretend to be him?
Yeah.
Who's this?
Why?
It's a man who, like me, was illegally raided and he's turning it into big bucks.
Afro man.
I wanna go to class, but then I gotta...
Drugs are killing our children.
I could have cheated, and I could have passed, but then I got, frankly, high.
Real shame.
We need to be executing our drug dealers.
I know why.
Why man?
Hey, because I got high.
Because I got high.
Because I got high.
We need to be executing our drug dealers.
Thank you, Ambroman.
So even in this April 1st, 2023 clip of SNL, Trump is straight up saying...
Exactly.
Yeah.
Great, I can't wait for him to do more with SNL.
Yeah, dude, definitely do more.
How do you not want more?
Seems like that'll happen for him.
Yeah, I just saw Devin Walker at that I Think You Should Leave show, I think.
Oh yeah?
That's who's playing Afro Man in that clip.
Oh wow, okay.
Funny guy?
Yeah.
Nice.
And they will definitely not be reaching out to work with him again in the future.
Because they never worked with him.
Yeah.
That makes sense.
Yeah, that's exactly how I think that most people would explain that, right?
But we're in the homestretch.
Back to the roots of this raid.
Ever find out who made the phone call?
Like, did you piss somebody off?
Yeah, it was this girl that used to talk to me.
Oh no.
She stole some stuff from me and Dude, my punishment to her was just stopping her from coming over my house and just kicking her out of my house.
No more sex dungeon!
But like, this chick, like, was crazy.
She was stealing from everybody in this town.
You know, like, I'm hip to weed and crack, but I'm not hip to meth, right?
So she was kinda cute, you know?
And so I'm not annoying her, but, so like, she wasn't, I got a lot of stuff, so, she wasn't like, just, She was stealing here and there and I started catching her
on the camera like stealing the copper.
She had like my damn, we call them Pendletons, flannels.
It's like, I gotta go back to LA and gotta go to the slots and swap me to buy a nice Pendleton
that fits me and stuff. So when you steal it, it ain't the money, it's the inconvenience of me
having to get one. So she took my damn Pendleton. Like girl, you better get up out of here.
Honestly though, I like a Pendleton.
I do too.
It's a nice flannel.
Hearing Afro Man talk about his girlfriend taking his Pendleton is so fucking funny.
It's just some girl.
It's really good.
It's so fucking funny.
There's also the clip here where he's saying he's hip to weed and he's hip to crack.
Crack!
He admits that he's hip to crack.
Which I'm like, I don't know if that's necessarily like him copping to smoking crack or if that's just saying he's like cool if you're doing crack around him or something.
It's fine if people do crack around him.
Yeah, but then I mentioned crack.
I mean he almost said that same thing at the top of the show, and I think he's just loosened up a little bit.
Yeah, we should mention the whole time that this has been going on, they're drinking what, Colt 45?
Colt 45, it's just him and Josh.
Yeah, I mean it's only an hour, but still.
Yeah, you know, putting it down, just getting a little loose, just saying what he needs to say.
He keeps saying it.
Somebody blew up her car and somebody she got scared. She started telling the police a whole bunch of lies about me
and everything and You know, whatever, you know, they already didn't like me
anyway, you know what I'm saying? So Yeah, all they needed was some goofy
Whatever type of reason to come over there, you know kick in your door. Yeah
Yeah Well look, I have enjoyed the conversation.
That's hilarious.
You did really well with it.
I'm glad to hear about your faith as well.
I think that's something that's awesome.
It's refreshing to hear.
We are definitely all sinners, but you are a hilarious man, so I wish you a lot of success.
And go make sure you watch Hunter Got High and keep your eye out for it.
Anything coming up next or anything that you want to promote?
I got a low budget movie.
I made it back in like 2010.
So the quality is kind of bad, but it's funny.
I don't think it is.
And that's actually the last clip of this interview that we have for you.
You haven't found that movie?
I didn't want to look at it.
What is it called?
Happily Divorced is the name of the movie.
Great.
And it's available, whoa, for free on YouTube.
Is it open with Kid Rock?
Fake Kid Rock?
Oh my god, they use impact font.
Written and directed by Afro Man.
Oh my god, and it's also not Kid Rock at all.
He says this looks dated.
I'm like, oh my god, you made this on your computer.
This is iMovie for sure.
Your iPad.
All right.
Well, cool boy.
What a journey with that.
Jesus.
That's about all I can handle for this week.
If you disagree with us on what, feel free to convince us otherwise.
Boys, uh, what did we learn tonight?
Afro man's going to get in touch with us and say, actually I was at two places at the same time.
Thank you very much.
Here's how I did that.
Oh, hit you with that Terrence Howard math.
Did you see the Joe Rogan, Terrence Howard?
He thinks that there are some elements that are bisexual.
Oh, I heard about that on David Pakman.
So I learned that Afro-man, when he said he's a Republican, and he said that Lincoln was Republican, I don't think he realizes that the parties did actually switch.
Maybe he's a Lincoln Republican.
I think he's actually a Democrat, but he thinks it never actually switched.
He's a true Rhino, dude.
That's what I learned.
I learned that Afro-man is the biggest Rhino.
Huge Rhino.
I learned that Afroman does something more than just come to my college town once a year to play small bars.
Where'd he play last time?
He's at Monk's often.
Really?
That's where he goes?
Downstairs.
Oh, that's depressing.
Crazy Town played there.
He sure as ticked with Crazy Town.
I also wonder what this would have been like if Steven was in the helm, if this interview would have been different.
I think that Steven would have poked a bit more.
Yeah?
Yeah, he would have poked on the points he wanted to talk about.
I mean, considering the way that he talked about Afro Man with all those weird stereotypes at the last episode, then he followed it up with comments as well.
I just, he didn't even really spend any time with this guy.
Yeah, he didn't at all.
It's really uncomfortable to imagine, but I wasn't at their compound, so.
I learned that it's entirely possible to change your taste identity overnight.
As long as you pray on it.
You just have to pray on it, yeah.
You just have to put, like, to the big man in the sky, I said the heart in front of my coach and he made me put soap in my mouth and I guess I gotta change my evil ways.
And now I'm singing Dixie Chicks.
I guess I'm a Christian now?
I guess I'm a big Christian, non-secular music guy and, you know, I am also going to be at conversion therapy later if you guys want to meet up.
Wow.
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