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June 13, 2024 - Louder Than Crowder

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EPISODE 33: SHAM TRIAL, AN ERROR (MAY 21ST & MAY 31ST, 2024)

It's suddenly sullen in the LWC studio, as the Trump verdict came down. Time to commiserate/celebrate, and investigate the truth surrounding the gangs personal, political 9/11. Email: louderthancrowder@gmail.com Twitter/X: @thancrowder Music by DJ Danarchy

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	This is an Audio World original.
	Time to tear it down.
	Thanks for watching.
	Welcome to Louder Than Crowder, a podcast about the podcast.
	Louder with Crowder.
	My name is Byron.
	I'm joined in the daylight.
	Across from me, it's Dennis.
	Hey, I'm here.
	It's nice.
	It's warm.
	In occupied Texas.
	That's the home of Jared.
	Hey, partners.
	I got my six shooters strapped on me and I'm ready to take flight.
	This is it.
	It's the end of our America.
	Wow, that sounds serious.
	Trump's a felon elect.
	34 guilty verdicts with sentencing coming up July 11th.
	A little over a month away.
	That's the new 4th of July right there.
	We're doing a little bit of possibly premature gravedancing.
	We'll be going through the strong emotions felt by the gang on their personal political 9-11.
	So just some mellow reflection because we deserve it.
	We do.
	We do deserve it.
	But today a voice, well it's gonna be missing.
	You could get like a sore throat but it's not like you're like a sore throat like you think a sore throat is but it feels like the muscles around your throat, the sinews.
	Comment below.
	I think I'm dying.
	What have you been doing?
	I'm just asking.
	Neck exercises?
	You're better than that.
	Yes.
	So we won't be talking about that episode, thank goodness, May 23rd, 2024.
	However, Steven is missing from the episode we are covering, May 31st.
	It's louder without Crowder.
	Louder without Crowder, I like it.
	Good morning!
	Normally we are here with YouMugClub only, but obviously there's some things that have happened that make that, um, That schedule changed just a little bit.
	I normally host the Friday shows when I have an opportunity to.
	Stephen's out on a planned vacation right now.
	He listened.
	We told him to go on vacation.
	He did.
	Turns out he did.
	Where do you think he went?
	If you had to guess where he's on vacation.
	It's planned.
	Barton Springs.
	Nah, he's not coming to liberal Austin.
	I think he went to check out the world's largest pistachio over in Alamogordo.
	Corpus Christi, maybe.
	Okay, a lot of good answers.
	South Padre Island, baby.
	He definitely didn't fly anywhere, he drove.
	Spring Break.
	Lake Havasu, dude.
	He's on his staycation probably.
	I hope he's hunkered down, yeah.
	So Steven has been gone for the last two weeks.
	They've been airing things like an extended interview with General Flynn.
	Did they ask him about his singing he did for that one song?
	Oh, they didn't talk about him being a conservative, I guess, feature.
	All the way down to the keys.
	Only he will bring us closer when we fall to our knees.
	Yeah.
	They did talk about a lot of stuff.
	That guy is super unhinged.
	Loose cannon.
	There's also an interview with The Quartering that was recorded a few months ago when he came by.
	That guy sucks, man.
	Yeah, he's bad.
	Not a good guy.
	Finally, Campus Jihad, the dark money behind the Hamas protests.
	Aired.
	Okay, good, good.
	Which is great.
	I was worried when they'd finally get down to the bottom of that.
	Well, there's a little bit of clarity of their thoughts.
	I'm about halfway through this stuff.
	It sucks.
	It's boring.
	And then talking with people, which is a series that Steven has started doing where it's basically changed my mind without so much prep and also moving because people don't let him set up his table anymore.
	Yeah, permits and shit sucks, dude.
	Yeah.
	We also have a bit of resolution in regards to that Josh having to shave situation.
	Oh, oh.
	The Dick Off?
	Yeah, it's The Dick Off by Draft Dictators.
	Today we're going to do something a little different.
	Where a lot of you have likely heard of a couple of dictators throughout history.
	Probably only one you're probably familiar with.
	Uh-oh.
	Putin Talk, Steven!
	He did dress up like Hitler.
	Yep, that is a- Holy shit.
	Mind fuel us, Steve.
	Steve has this look in this picture like he's like, yeah, I told you to fucking do it.
	Alright, we fucking got this guy.
	This is hazing.
	This is skull and bones.
	We've been saying this since day one.
	Oh my god.
	Skull and bones, baby.
	I cannot believe that they did that.
	They got the glass coffin, too.
	Byron, would you dress up like Hitler for this show?
	Uh, no.
	No?
	Are you sure?
	I'm pretty sure.
	What if it was a thing called the Dictator Dick-Off?
	Your new friend Steve?
	You wouldn't do that for him?
	I don't think so, and he's not my friend.
	I have a friend named Steve.
	Do you?
	Already.
	He's all of our friend, man.
	We talk about him all the time.
	Steve's on vacation because he's here on our show!
	Steven!
	We watch him more than we watch the people we like.
	I don't know who's winning the Dick-Off right now.
	I haven't been keeping up, but it is interesting that they're doing a bracket-style competition in June.
	Yeah, that's fine.
	I mean, they could have done it a few months ago.
	I hope you're enjoying your vacation, Steven.
	If that's what it is.
	Go to the doctor.
	I can't imagine it's the legal stuff anymore, but yeah.
	Some things have happened in his absence, so we're getting a Gerald Friday show.
	Great.
	Always a treat.
	I think a lot of you probably felt like I felt last night.
	Um, when you heard the verdict read when people started reporting on it.
	Um, there are a few days in life where you remember very, very, very clearly where you were, what you were doing, who was with you.
	Details about what was going on around you that you don't remember on most days.
	Those days are burned into your mind.
	They're vivid memories.
	May 30th, 2024 will be remembered as one of those days.
	And that's the day I saw a baby being born.
	And I found out how it works for the first time.
	Figured it out.
	That's the day that Hobby Lobby opened.
	Yeah, that's right.
	Absolutely.
	Yikes.
	Hobby Lobby and babies being born is maybe a weird cross-section.
	That is true, yeah.
	They're required to be born because they won't pay for contraceptives.
	Where were you guys when you found out the news?
	The news?
	You texted me the news and I googled it and said, oh.
	Huh.
	Huh.
	I was honestly kind of surprised.
	I was expecting... I was surprised because one of the jurors apparently got his news from Truth Social.
	So I thought for sure he'd hang the jury.
	Where was I when I found out?
	I was clocking out of work and I said to my co-worker, I says, oh my god, they actually did it.
	They convicted this man.
	I looked at my face in the reflection of all the polished steel.
	I looked like the damn Joker, ear to ear.
	Sure, well that's not what Gerald was experiencing.
	No.
	Like many of you, I think, I was angry.
	I was incredibly frustrated with a process that I saw playing out in front of me.
	I hated the gloating that I saw.
	I forced myself to watch what the left was saying about this.
	So, CNN, MSNBC, Twitter, X. He's such a fucking loser, man.
	Yeah, I mean, I don't know what else to say.
	We could play the whole whataboutism game.
	They were like the gloaters, right?
	Yes.
	This is the party of liberal tears.
	Yeah, this is a comedy podcast though, too.
	That's a great point.
	When I hear these kind of reactions, it's clear that he does not at all think that there's any chance in the world this was even remotely justified.
	He doesn't believe at all that Donald Trump would ever falsify a business record to cover up something he did.
	Or if he did, it doesn't matter.
	I think that he agrees he did it.
	I feel like you can't look at him like he doesn't do that.
	I think that he's the kind of person who would say, well yeah, he finds loopholes for his business.
	You know, that kind of stuff.
	He covered up shit to be like a terrible person.
	Speaking of covering up, what's worse than gloating?
	They tried to hide it.
	They tried to hide the fact that they were absolutely thrilled that democracy was dying.
	He's watching CNN again.
	Right in front of our eyes.
	And that's not me overstating what happened yesterday.
	He's absolutely overstating.
	Democracy didn't die when Donald Trump got convicted of crimes.
	It's not gloating.
	It's also possible that, you know, justice was finally being served.
	And that feels good.
	Kinda.
	Justice feels good sometimes.
	We're talking about Teflon Dawn.
	Yeah, no longer Teflon, dude.
	A guy for decades has been doing illegal things and getting away with it.
	I think it's okay to feel kind of okay when this happens.
	Yeah, because, I mean, democracy's dying and I hate democracy.
	It's the end of our country.
	The end of our America.
	Yeah, that's the name of their episode.
	Really?
	Yep.
	Oh, wow, dramatic.
	Jesus Christ.
	Yeah.
	Where were you when the world stopped turning that May Day?
	Were you in the yard with your wife and children or working on a stage in L.A.? ?
	That's all.
	That's good?
	Alright.
	They're trying to convict a man of a felony.
	In this case, they got the verdict.
	We'll see if it stands.
	But not telling you that he actually broke any laws.
	I don't know of another time that that has happened.
	I can't think of another opportunity that they would have had to do this in history.
	Where they could take somebody to court and not have any crime.
	Is that a train going by?
	That was a train going by, yeah.
	And that's the first time I've ever heard that kind of ambient noise in their studio.
	I don't know where that came from.
	Yeah, that's very odd.
	Working down by the tracks, I guess, huh?
	Did they really feel that there was no crime?
	Like, did they think that, like, they just convicted him of nothing?
	I've heard that from quite a few folks.
	The crime.
	It's really clear and I'm gonna say this a couple times because they continually say there was no crime.
	Consistently try to obscure what he was convicted of.
	The crime.
	Falsifying business records.
	Felony because it was with the intent to commit or conceal another crime and you know conspiracy basically to prevent the election.
	It's a crime to falsify business records and it became a felony because he was doing it specifically to impact his chances in the election.
	Yeah.
	Yeah, it's fairly straightforward.
	Yeah, but I mean, is that a crime?
	And they continually say that this is obscure, pushing the bounds of legal.
	This is like if somebody like was caught shoplifting and they would try and do the legal defense that they didn't actually get out of the store with it, so what they did is not illegal.
	They tried a sovereign citizen their way out of it.
	I'm not stealing, I am carrying.
	They will continue to question if this was or wasn't a crime We will probably have to rebut that a couple more times.
	So sorry folks But yeah with with Trump raking in donations in response to his conviction at the time of this it was like 20 million I think he's well over 200 million dollars.
	Imagine giving to that guy man.
	Well, that's fine.
	Why not join in?
	Ooh, good strategy.
	This is a perfect opportunity for you guys to join the fight with us.
	Now, why do I say that?
	I want money.
	Do I just want more Mug Club subscriptions?
	Is it just about, you know, getting more dollars?
	No.
	We are pushing all of the money that we are getting right now into gearing up for this election.
	What was he gonna say?
	So that we can bring you the truth.
	Some of the people in this studio, who I'll get to in just one second, are working tirelessly to make sure you don't have to go through the mainstream media anymore.
	To get information on what's going on in polling.
	To get information on what's going on live on election night.
	To get you the information that you need to know.
	Talking with people on the streets of Detroit.
	We'll talk about that probably next week or the week after.
	We are putting people on the ground.
	We are pushing money into the field to make sure that we can be the alternative.
	So that's a giveaway of where Steven is.
	It sounds like he might be in Michigan.
	Could be.
	So he said very vaguely that all the money they're getting right now is going into getting things ready for the election.
	Like, what does that mean?
	That's their whole Election Day website.
	I know, but his language was so vague.
	He wasn't like, we're donating 100% of the proceeds we get in the month of June to blah blah blah.
	Because it's not a donation, it's for infrastructure for them.
	I know, but he was so vague.
	He's like, all the money we're Like, right around now, all the money we're- I mean, they're pocketing that shit.
	Yeah, they are, let's be honest.
	$15 an hour tops.
	They're not $10.99, and they're not gonna do all that.
	Ginger Snap is not making that much money.
	Yeah, they're definitely- they don't have employees.
	I mean, they probably have some, but they're definitely- I mean, I saw the soundboard lord, former employee, what was his name?
	What is that guy's name?
	Tim Matooman?
	No.
	Yakuza.
	He left ladder with Crowder or was fired.
	There's a lot of rumors about that.
	He's working on like a weird rumble show with two cousins.
	Okay.
	And I don't think that they're making much money.
	So in my guess, if that's a step up, yeah, I think it's okay.
	Yeah.
	And I think that these guys are definitely raking in cash.
	Regardless, he definitely wants the money.
	I promise that nobody is like, After hours, they're not sitting up late at night and being like, we gotta fight this fight.
	This is for them.
	This is for Dawn.
	Yeah.
	They're, they're, they're trying to activate people to go do this for them.
	And it's like, how are they going to pay these people?
	How are they going to put these people like, you know, boots on the ground?
	What, what is that process for them?
	It's just, it's just super fans, super Steve fans.
	And they're like, you know, the real Crowder heads and they're just out there.
	Like what?
	Filming people with their Samsung Galaxy phones.
	Yeah.
	Of course.
	Check out that zoom.
	He's acting like after they hit stop that they're having like civil rights groups in in Selma type conversations.
	We know already what we're going to be doing on election night and it's going to be monitoring Stephen Crowder's election night stream.
	Of course.
	Of course.
	Yeah.
	It's gonna go poorly.
	It's gonna go so badly.
	Misinformation report after misinformation report.
	There are gonna be videos of, you know, tic-tacs being dropped on the ground and that's 10,000 votes that someone scanned with the Samsung Galaxy, of course.
	Yes.
	It's gonna be a nightmare and... Election nightmare.
	Election nightmare.
	Good.
	We got the title.
	Yep.
	That's easy.
	It's in the books.
	Damn it's gonna suck.
	I'm not looking forward to that.
	But, you know... You kind of are.
	I kind of am.
	We're kind of looking for some steam here, you know?
	Just want to see them snot from their nose a little bit.
	Are you sure you're not the Joker still?
	I'm totally Joker-fied since May 31.
	May 30.
	My lips are so red.
	He dances down every set of stairs.
	I'm kicking my legs so high.
	I'm wearing a tuxedo with tails and I'm flicking those things when I turn corners and stuff.
	I'm a real character right now.
	Black-pilled Jared over there.
	I'm green hair-pilled!
	I'm freaking joker-fied, baby.
	What went through your mind when the verdict came down?
	And more importantly, how did you feel when you heard about the guilty verdict?
	A lot of different answers.
	A lot of people went to X last night and told us exactly how they felt.
	I think there's a lot of good responses and I think there's also some very Potentially difficult responses to deal with.
	What does that mean?
	That's how you frame people calling for murder.
	Oh, okay.
	Potentially.
	It's a little difficult.
	Potentially difficult responses.
	Difficult, interesting.
	Because while I agree, we don't explicitly do that into the microphone on this show.
	But we all know.
	But we don't know what the boys feel personally yet, so let's go around the horn.
	Josh, I'll start with you.
	How did you feel last night when you found out?
	And do you remember when you found out last night?
	Uh, yeah, yeah, I was just in my living room.
	I was playing MLB The Show 24.
	Eating mashed potatoes, because I know you love mashed potatoes.
	Well, I wish, but I was losing, and that's the most thing, that's most what I remember, but... That's the moment seared into your mind?
	Yeah, I just, I didn't... Trump guilty, oh no!
	8-2 in the bottom of the ninth!
	Got struck out by sale again, but no, I didn't, I wasn't expecting it, so just a little... Was surprised.
	Shocked, yeah.
	I don't think Josh cares.
	Josh doesn't care at all, and Gerald wants him to so bad.
	Yeah, he had the same response I did.
	He was playing against you.
	Gerald's like, Josh, what the fuck man, you're supposed to be crying.
	Interesting.
	Well, let's bounce to someone else and see how they felt.
	Tim?
	What about you, Toolman?
	I was in the gym.
	Where you weren't.
	Dude, today's my day.
	I don't work out on Thursdays.
	My day, too.
	No, and a Twitter user just started, what's his name?
	Sanders, I guess.
	Oh, yeah.
	Bernie.
	He's like, oh, can you believe that?
	I'm like, oh, let me guess.
	He was found guilty.
	And all I thought, it's Alex Jones.
	That was the test case, was Alex's trial, and here we are.
	I mean, if you thought anything else would happen, you're kind of daft.
	This was going to happen.
	That's an interesting choice of words.
	I don't know.
	I was English for two seconds.
	Alex Jones was the test case.
	Remember, because Alex Jones was found.
	I knew that the left was brainwashing Alex to say those things about Sandy Hook.
	They're talking about his trial in which he was found guilty because he didn't give evidence in discovery.
	So therefore he could not defend himself in court.
	Why didn't he give evidence in this case?
	Because he was guilty.
	Yeah, he didn't want to show anyone.
	That's fair enough.
	He did the calculations.
	His little ass.
	Yeah.
	But now he doesn't have a ranch, so... He just today said he was going to liquify.
	Yeah, he was, he was... Or liquidate everything.
	He agreed to.
	Yeah, after that massive explosion, personally, over the last weekend.
	That was, uh... That was just a show.
	That was great.
	It was kind of interesting.
	I watched it a couple times.
	I had it in the background for a while.
	I mean, they're basically saying that this is the same.
	That this is stifling free speech.
	To have Alex Jones not able to get on stand and say he's innocent after he's already legally been found guilty and this is a trial.
	Donald Trump could have taken the stand though, right?
	Donald Trump could have taken the stand.
	And he pled the fifth, right?
	Yep, and he also he broke his gag order like ten times and that's being that's being generous Yeah, which is something that most other folks would be thrown in jail for immediately.
	Yeah early in the process So he paid $10,000 in fines for gag order stuff.
	That is ridiculous.
	What is nothing?
	Nothing for him.
	That's his McDonald's order for a month.
	Yeah.
	Oh the fish delights!
	Diet Cokes!
	So this is not the same, but it was the test case and this is... I don't think that so far Josh or Tim have matched the dark energy that Gerald opened the show with.
	No, Gerald's sad because his father just got arrested.
	Yeah, I mean it feels like that.
	What about, uh, what about the new eye candy of LTC?
	Uh, LWC.
	Pardon me, TC is us.
	LWC Ginger Snap.
	I just downloaded the WFAA app because we're getting all these storms.
	And so I got a push notification, pulled it out from underneath the little rope thing.
	And I was like, huh, okay.
	I expected it to happen.
	I completely expected it, but I kind of also, it was still surreal to see it.
	It's like, oh, okay.
	I guess, I guess we're here.
	I guess this is where we are now.
	They all have to be trying, right?
	They all have to not be surprised by this.
	Yeah, why would they be surprised?
	I can't believe that this is happening to my golden god.
	I kind of didn't expect that.
	Why would they ever do this?
	Yeah, I did not expect it.
	So I would have assumed that these folks would have a stronger, you know, idea of that not being a possibility.
	Yeah, well I think that, I mean, I think that all of us have this like, uh, inclination that we're gonna lose.
	Well, because we keep getting our asses kicked by fucking lunatics.
	Yeah, yeah.
	It sucks.
	At least, uh... Sorry, I just... I broke... I'm not Joker-fied.
	I don't know what that was, though.
	Whatever that was.
	Yeah, it's rubbing off on you a little bit there.
	At least Ginger Snap kind of matched the energy.
	Yeah.
	Like, getting that... What's WFAA?
	Is it?
	I don't know.
	It's like a weather app.
	Yeah, I have no idea what that has to do with anything, but at least he was kind of sad about it.
	Washington Food Industry Association?
	Probably, yep.
	I don't know.
	Food bank app.
	His food bank app told him that... He's on Snap?
	He could be.
	That would be... I mean, if he needs to be, that's wonderful, but I just don't think it matches.
	Yeah, if any of these guys are on Snap, that's our Shrug Club undercover.
	I mean, Stephen needs to pay his people more if they need to be on the show.
	Yeah, I wouldn't want to out people and shame them for that, but the way they talk is... I'll shame nobody for those things, just I'll shame hypocrites for being hypocrites.
	Yeah, shame the employer.
	I mean, like, shame Walmart, you know what I mean?
	It's the same concept.
	Or the CEO, like Gerald here.
	Oh, he's the CEO, isn't he?
	That's so weird to me.
	Dork.
	I guess I was a little daft, according to Toolman, because I still held out hope that juror number two, because theoretically they got their news from X and from Truth Social, that they would hold the line.
	Well, I read if all the jurors didn't unanimously find him not guilty, he was guilty.
	No, we'll get into that a little bit.
	I don't think that's true.
	But either way, I was a little surprised.
	I didn't think there was enough there.
	I thought people would see through it.
	But let's jump into it.
	Obviously, late yesterday afternoon on Thursday, President Trump was found guilty on all 34 felony accounts.
	Accounts?
	Felony accounts.
	Felony accounts.
	Felony counts of falsifying business records in the first degree.
	And we'll walk through all of that, but first... What was that one weird little thing that someone's like, I heard that if one person said, like, did he just think that he found some weird, like, secret instructions about juries?
	This is actually a thing that is going around on the right right now, is that the judge did something exceptional in terms of, and we'll get all into it, but actually, yeah, let's just wait.
	I'll tell you about that.
	Okay, I'm excited to hear more.
	Well, I'm excited to share with you more about Gerald's night.
	This is a glimpse into his home life.
	I didn't really plan on talking about this, but I watched people last night on CNN and I talked to my wife and I said, hey, she's like, hey, let's watch the news.
	I just found out about this.
	And I was like, oh, okay, cool.
	We're doing dinner.
	We typically try not to watch TV during dinner.
	This is kind of a momentous occasion.
	And our kids are like, hey, what's going on?
	And we're like, oh, this is a very, very important event.
	We'll tell you later on in life and you'll remember.
	So dark.
	But right now you won't understand what's going on.
	And so she goes to turn on Fox because she gets angry when she watches CNN for good reason.
	We have to do it.
	So, like, we've kind of had, like, our training in it, and so we're kind of immune to some of the anger that comes.
	I'm like, I need to know what they're saying.
	And one of the things that they were saying is, like, Stormy Daniels was so brave.
	Is this vindication for Stormy Daniels?
	I'm like, what?
	No, I think she still owes him hundreds of thousands of dollars.
	Yeah, she still owes him a lot of money, but she also had nothing to do with this case at all.
	Like, nobody got up there and said, you were right, Stormy.
	Which time?
	The time that you lied and wrote a note saying that it never happened?
	Or the time you got on the stand and lied saying it did happen?
	I don't think you've spoken truth.
	And this wasn't about her at all, but they went like the touchy-feely route with Stormy Daniels.
	I think the husband was being interviewed.
	Stormy Daniels' husband, which I was surprised that there was such a thing, given who Stormy Daniels is.
	Rude.
	Just fucking gross.
	Gross all around.
	You can't have a life outside of porn.
	That's crazy.
	That's disgusting.
	No real man wants that.
	Why would a man marry a broken woman?
	That's disgusting.
	Jesus Christ.
	I get what he's saying, Byron and Dennis.
	All right.
	What is this voice we're doing?
	Remember, it's from Occupy Texas.
	I'm angry.
	Oh shit, yeah, Joker.
	Joker Jared's on.
	I'm Joker.
	Yeah, I'm Texified.
	Jokerified.
	I don't really know what I'm doing.
	At this point, the characters are getting... I'm saying... They're all combined.
	I'm just gonna throw it out there.
	Well, we didn't do this.
	How you guys sleeping?
	Poorly.
	Me too.
	Terribly.
	Not enough.
	Wow, we're all like, not well, huh?
	We're in the sub-six hour club.
	Yeah, there we go.
	Dang, well yeah, I got three.
	I got three on my belt.
	You gotta knock that off.
	We'll figure it out.
	Not great.
	I loved that clip because he was talking about it like they were turning on 9-11 coverage.
	Yeah, 100%.
	Like absolutely the exact same kind of thing.
	When you're older, we'll talk about this.
	You might not understand this now.
	They put Alan Jackson on in the background.
	Yeah.
	Had a big cry.
	Damn.
	Crushed his wine glass in his bare hand.
	Sure.
	I like his wife being like, should we turn on Fox?
	He's like, we need to see.
	We have to look at the liberal media.
	We need to go back behind enemy lines and learn how to attack this threat.
	It's just CNN, man.
	Yeah, what is this blue hair Anderson Cooper trying to tell me?
	Like, if I watch Fox News, that's like N.A.
	this.
	Who does he think he is in the, you know... On that bias chart?
	Yeah!
	I'm the CEO of Mug Club, Byron!
	That's who the fuck I am!
	He's directly in the center.
	My prisoner just got... My prisoner just got arrested!
	Jesus Christ.
	Has some damn tact.
	I love getting promoted by Gerald.
	That's a lot of fun for me.
	But yeah, honestly, how many plugs do you do in the first 15 minutes of your show?
	That's a question I have.
	Go to everybody on here.
	I've got the Trump fight like hell on.
	Josh, you've got the Trump fight like hell on.
	Lane has the formerly fight like hell Trump shirt that he cut up.
	I will make a special cut off for you.
	We can hand cut those for people.
	I will hand cut them.
	Alright, so if you guys want it, Lane will cut up 50 shirts for you.
	The first 50 people that want the Lane version of this shirt with sleeves cut off, he'll hand cut.
	And we will make sure he does it, we'll film it.
	Make sure you get that version.
	We've got the Trump 2024.
	Changed my mind across the deal.
	We've got the Trump is King thing.
	Move your mic, Tim.
	Look at that.
	I know Christ is King is the thing that's been going around.
	I know some people got in trouble for that, but the Trump King shirt.
	That's one of the things that you can do.
	Now, I'm not saying that just so we can like sell you shirts.
	Of course I want to sell a shirt.
	Again, all of the money that we're getting gets pushed into the field for us to do more during this election season.
	We're not sitting here just padding bank accounts, right?
	Promo code 20.
	I'm sorry.
	Promo code Trump for 20% off at CrowderShop.com.
	Go there right now, grab one of these shirts and wear it out all the time.
	Let's write this down.
	Trump for 20.
	That's a weird promo code.
	So let's discuss the power of cotton or cotton poly blends and how it creates just that discussion.
	Start conversations with your shirt.
	Make people ask you questions.
	Talk to your shirt.
	Make people make comments.
	It is time to not hide the fact that you are a supporter of President Donald Trump.
	But it's more than just supporting Trump, because he's the figure of this larger movement that is against this regime that wants to destroy the American way of life.
	They want to destroy our systems and norms, and if I have to hear them say, we're protecting democracy, democracy's on the ballot, shut the hell up.
	You've proven that you have no regard for the institution of the American Republic.
	How?
	Is that gingersnap?
	Yeah, that's such a gingersnap.
	Lane Kendall.
	You shut up, man!
	Lane Dean Kendall.
	Democracy is fine!
	You don't know nothing about what's going on here.
	It's such a gentle... I'm trying to be scary.
	I mean, he also does have the sleeves cut off of his... Oh, okay.
	That's badass.
	Trump shirt.
	That is badass.
	I just linked you on the Discord.
	Oh, yeah?
	His Twitter.
	I'm sure you've seen it.
	Oh, Lane Kendall's Twitter.
	Yeah, of course I have.
	Just keep in mind that this guy looks like a... Is this Ginger Snap?
	Yeah.
	Yeah, it's a broker version of Tom McDonald.
	Like a leaned-out version of Tom McDonald, yeah.
	He's got a very sharp face.
	One of these days we'll third chair him.
	I'm sure he's getting more and more involved.
	Especially with this political jargon.
	All this witch-huntery that's going on.
	When I hear them talk about these shirts, they talk about them like they're selling fucking QVC.
	Sure.
	They're like, oh, and he's got the Trump fight like hell on.
	Go ahead and turn around and show us that.
	It's so like...
	Cringy salesy.
	It's not even like hiding to be salesy.
	Of course they want to sell the shirts.
	That's what they want to do.
	And what they're saying is that if you buy the shirt, the money's not going anywhere except for the Louder with Crowder bank account.
	No, it's the Mug Club Army.
	No, it's not.
	It's to fund the Mug Club Army.
	No, it's definitely not.
	It's for rations.
	It is for MREs.
	Yes.
	The M-U-G-M-R-E.
	Now that Alex Jones, his little shop's closing, they're trying to get in on all that.
	Dr. Jones Natural, yeah.
	Trying to get the MREs for the Crowder heads.
	It's just chowder with the little like hot bag, the hot bag chowder.
	They get a big barrel of dried chowder?
	Powdered chowder from Crowder.
	Quit giving them ideas!
	So you're commenting on how Lane is saying, basically, we are Trump, right?
	We are, we are.
	Alright.
	He is just the figure of us, right?
	He is just the person, and he said this before, they're trying to get to you, but they're coming after me because I'm in the way of getting to you.
	Something along those lines.
	I'm butchering the hell out of that.
	That was real, guys.
	But go out there and wear a shirt like this, To start conversations.
	Oh, you're going to make friends.
	Every time.
	I know.
	It happens again.
	You know what?
	I do that with my Jesus is risen shirt for the same reason.
	I'm a huge dork.
	Yeah.
	I cannot get over how anyone could think that Trump is that guy with the arrows in his back, I mean, protecting us.
	Sure.
	He's not at all.
	People are being used by him to, so he can become president.
	That's all he wants.
	I mean, I don't want to escalate the concept, but if you're in a room and you have a, like, Nazi t-shirt on, you are gonna make friends with other Nazis.
	Yeah.
	It's a fair signal that you're a safe person to talk to if you're wearing your Trump has risen t-shirt.
	Yeah, yeah.
	In public.
	You know, yesterday I was wearing a music brand shirt.
	Sure.
	A Fender.
	And someone was like, hey man, you play?
	I mean, see?
	It makes sense.
	Yeah, but I'll tell you that that guy with the Nazi flag shirt, he definitely does not have anyone other than the Nazi people talking to him.
	Sure.
	So, the company you keep, I suppose, boys, but you're gonna make friends at least.
	Do you guys need a shirt that says, I like Trump, to meet somebody you know if they're a Trump supporter, do you think?
	I have like a dumb anecdote.
	Oh, I'm here for it.
	But remember when we were getting denim cutoffs?
	Jackets firing?
	Yeah, to join the man-wolves.
	So we could join the man-wolves, exactly.
	And so, got one, it showed up in the mail, I put it on, I was feeling it out, and I was like, this is a good vest, I'm wearing this out.
	So we go to a karaoke bar, right?
	Downtown Austin here, and we get over to the door, door guy just mean mugging me.
	Bald head could be skinhead.
	I mean like he this guy's just fucking staring at me.
	Yeah, like what's up?
	Yeah, here's here's my ID kind of thing He's like doesn't say anything just like push the door open and then as I'm walking in there's you know Middle set of doors there.
	So I'm like kind of like look back and this guy's just fucking Glaring at me.
	I'm like Jesus Christ We're there for maybe 30 minutes.
	He pushes, you know, some stuff around us the whole time.
	He just, like, keeps looking, right?
	Someone's like, finally, all right, well, we're on our way out of here because we were late to the party anyhow, going to the next spot.
	So, on the way out, push through the middle door, through the front door, out on the street.
	Finally, this guy yells and he's like, hey!
	Turn around and look.
	He's like, it's a sick vest.
	He's just got resting fucking asshole face.
	Oh, yeah, and and bald with the intimidating look Wow, and you know, I have some some people can point it out on me, but you know That I'm a little Chewie You're a little Chewie.
	Just a little Chewie.
	I don't know why you would say it like that Things have been weird Something like that, though.
	I was at a Marilyn Manson concert once.
	In front of me, I notice a guy, swastika tattoo on the back of his arm.
	He's got the, what is it, the iron?
	Iron cross?
	Yeah.
	He's got the eagle thing on the chest, and I'm like, holy fuck.
	It's been a while since I've seen one of these in public.
	Uh-huh.
	And then he looks back at me, and I'm like, oh fuck.
	Yeah, I think he I think he saw me looking deep deep into him.
	He turns around then looks back at me again I'm like, oh fuck.
	He's with his girlfriend and they're whispering to each other And then he stands up from where he was sitting comes back to me and goes Can I get a picture with you?
	My girlfriend really likes your band.
	So his girlfriend was a fan of my post-hardcore band and I ended up taking a picture with a Nazi and his girlfriend.
	Oh great.
	Oh great.
	Byron, you are fixing the problem.
	Nope.
	What state?
	That was here.
	Okay, dang, I was hoping you were going to say, like, Redmond, Washington.
	Well, there's a lot of them there too, but unfortunately, you don't need a shirt to make the friend.
	No.
	Either way.
	I mean, if anything, here's what I would say.
	If you really want to have conversations around this, I think that wearing a shirt that says, I love Trump, will prevent those conversations.
	The Larry David method.
	Sure.
	You will not change somebody's mind by wearing a shirt that says, I do not like what you like.
	And also, great quote.
	Remember when he was doing the, they're just, they're, they're, they're after me, they're just going through, they're after you, they're just going through me?
	I almost did the same thing you did.
	Yeah, yeah, yeah.
	We don't even know what he said.
	Ah, great.
	Alright, Trump fans, they're fucking everywhere.
	Yep.
	Yeah, I'm a Trump supporter.
	I just never wanted to mention it at this tech company because there's not a lot of us here, I don't think.
	Guess what?
	There are more of them there than you think.
	Guess what?
	In medicine, nurses, doctors, there are more of them there than you think.
	That is the thing that we need to do.
	These people on the left have no problem coming out and saying, I don't care about the rule of law.
	It is time for us to come out and say, we are supporting Donald Trump because we do care about the rule of law.
	And all of those nurses who quit because of COVID mandates and mask mandates, they also cared about the law, huh?
	They did.
	They definitely cared about the law.
	They cared deeply about the law.
	Yeah, I remember how shocking it was to learn that there are quite a few conservative folks in the medical industry.
	That surprised me.
	It's funny because, if anything, the whole... We were just talking about it a second ago, sorry Dennis, but we were just talking about that doctor in my algo who is screaming in Target about liquid death water.
	But their name was Doctor something or another, so I don't know if that's MD or just for the internet.
	Could have been just for the internet.
	The Party of Law and Orders is like, the laws are done.
	Like, no new laws.
	We're locking in laws.
	Except Roe v. Wade.
	Once we got that overturned, we're locking in laws.
	If there's like a mandate, we're not going to call that a law.
	Sure.
	No, it's a mandate.
	Yeah, that makes sense.
	Also, I think Gerald's wife is a nurse.
	Is she?
	Might be why he said that.
	Could be, probably.
	I got intel at a specific hospital where my wife works and she imposes this show on all 19 of them.
	So there's a lot of these ladies listening, and dudes too, but let's be real, Gerald is a nurse is a woman's job type of guy.
	That is true.
	So let's dive into the details of this trial and ruling.
	Apologies again if this is redundant, but as long as these folks want to keep lying, we should probably continue to remind them of the truth.
	Yeah.
	Fast fact number one, Trump was found guilty of falsifying...
	Falsifying business records.
	Guys, they counted a check as falsifying business records.
	It's so stupid.
	That Michael Cohen stole from.
	I know that he did.
	He admitted that on the stand as well.
	Has he been charged with anything?
	No, he just got a stand in primetime slot instead.
	He did.
	Okay.
	And a book deal I hear is coming up.
	Maybe he should use the funds from the book deal to repay the money that he stole plus interest plus fines.
	I'll hold my breath.
	Don't think so.
	The crime by itself, this is something that a lot of people missed, including myself early on in this deal.
	The crime of falsifying business records is a misdemeanor that has a two-year statute of limitations.
	For those of you not familiar with that, it means you can't be charged with a crime after two years of committing the crime of falsifying business records.
	When did he commit this crime?
	2016?
	And what year is it?
	I don't know, but it's eight years after that.
	Oh, I'm not good at math.
	24-ish.
	So theoretically, you know, no, couldn't bring this.
	Here's what happened.
	DA Alvin Bragg elevated this to a Class E felony by saying that Trump falsified the records to cover up another crime.
	That is the issue.
	Yeah, that's the issue.
	What?
	Trump's charges were elevated to felonies because prosecutors argued that the falsification of business records was done with the intent to conceal another crime, which is a violation of New York state election law prohibiting the unlawful influence of elections.
	But the attorney said that.
	And because he said that, you know it's a lie.
	Great point.
	Under New York law, falsifying business records is typically a misdemeanor.
	They're right in saying that.
	However, it becomes a felony if the records were falsified with the intent to commit or conceal another crime.
	And in Trump's case, prosecutors claimed that the underlying crime was a conspiracy to promote or prevent election by making the hush money payment to Stormy Daniels to influence the 2016 presidential election.
	So what you're saying is that because of this happening, that it's chargeable.
	Yeah.
	Yeah.
	But, um, but, but why?
	Because he committed a crime.
	But normally it wouldn't be charged.
	Sadly, probably no.
	But the district attorney, the guy who charges this said, but he said it though.
	Yeah, so prosecutors argued that these records were falsified by labeling the payments I just just to clearly explain this because I hope to never fucking talk about this again.
	Yeah, we will fortunately He falsified by labeling the payments as legal expenses when they were actually reimbursements to Michael Cohen for the hush money payments kind of like laundering money Kinda, yeah.
	The felony charges hinged on prosecutors demonstrating that Trump intended to conceal the true purpose of the payments, that seems fairly clear, which they claimed was to unlawfully influence the 2016 election in violation of New York election law.
	Here's what I would say is that when they say it was just a check, a check is all of it.
	34 checks.
	Sure, I know.
	But they're saying it was a check.
	It was a check.
	Does he understand how like, how he's treating his supporters like they're just, like they're dumb.
	That they truly believe it was one thing.
	All of them are guilty.
	It was a jury trial.
	It wasn't like it was the friggin... That's my next thing here.
	Jury found that he was guilty.
	Yeah, it was a jury.
	Have you ever been on a jury?
	I want to ask all of Steven Crowder's listeners.
	If you were on a jury, did you feel an urge to give the verdict that the defendant wanted or did not want?
	Or the prosecutor wanted or did not want?
	Or did you do your duty as a juror?
	Do they really believe the entire New York District Attorney's Office, the entire county, all of the jurors, every single one of those 12 jurors, one of which got their news from Truth Social, that that guy was in on it?
	Well, this is where they get creative.
	Want to hear this?
	Yes.
	So in my understanding, the ununanimous claim that they were discussing a little bit earlier, it's being kind of widely discussed, is a reason that this won't stand and that this is a dismissible and an exceptional situation.
	It's based on what they considered to be the other crime that was being concealed, not general guilt.
	That's what had to be unanimous.
	The reason why didn't have to be.
	Okay, so they're saying that they had to unanimously say he did cover up a crime.
	They didn't have to be unanimous with what the crime was, yes.
	And they talk a little bit about that here.
	But before we get into that talk, they discuss the statute of limitations, how it was extended.
	So Bragg had to elevate it to a felony because the clock ran out on those misdemeanor charges, like we said, two-year statute of limitations.
	The five-year statute of limitation for felonies didn't expire because it was paused during COVID.
	And while Trump was out of the state of New York, convenient, Does that sound like justice to you?
	Okay, let's assume that Donald Trump falsified business records.
	Okay, fine.
	That's the underlying misdemeanor.
	Those charges should never have been brought because the statute of limitations.
	But then let's say that Donald Trump actually had some charges brought against him that said, no, no, no, no, no.
	You're covering up these other charges that were brought against you in this crime that you committed over here.
	So therefore, it extends.
	That would at least make some sense, but they're saying, no, no, no, no, no, because COVID we have to pause everything.
	And then by the way, if Trump took a vacation, we have to pause that because he was out of the state of New York.
	How does that matter?
	That's like a kid changing the rules while playing tag.
	This is base now.
	Almost like creating a new law so someone can sue Donald Trump for... It sounds a lot like Eugene Carroll to me.
	Sounds like they changed an entire law that affects everyone in the United States just because they wanted to get Donald Trump.
	Obviously.
	Gerald sounds like he would cheat on his wife, and then 10 years later she finds out about it, be like, well that was 10 years ago.
	And she'd be like, oh okay.
	Like he'd expect her to forgive him.
	And Steven was doing it too, so.
	I understand that the statute of limitations, it makes sense in some cases.
	The extension due to COVID Of course, it is.
	Of course.
	There's times where that can be extended.
	Yeah.
	But regardless, Gerald is not discussing the legality of this.
	in judicial proceedings due to COVID, and extensions to statutes of limitations
	No.
	for a handful of legitimate reasons.
	Of course, there's times where that can be extended.
	Yeah.
	But regardless, Gerald is not discussing the legality of this.
	No.
	And we should be looking at the morality of what happened.
	Which is something that should matter more to him.
	Yes, it definitely should matter more.
	I mean, obviously we think that Trump's a piece of shit.
	Yeah, I think it's fair to say.
	And they don't.
	So they're going to say that what he does is fine.
	At the end of the day, if I found out that somebody cheated on me, but it was outside of the statute of limitations, I would treat it like it happened yesterday regardless.
	Yeah, I've been doing a lot of soul-searching.
	Seeking?
	Whatever the standard thing to say would be.
	Searching through your seek souls.
	Piers Morgan's been talking a lot with folks about this Trump verdict, and he keeps bringing up, what about Bill Clinton?
	Bill Clinton did the same thing, is what he keeps saying.
	Did he?
	No, he didn't illegally.
	He didn't fuck a porn star and then cover it up?
	He did pay off some people he had affairs with.
	But we're not arguing that, we're arguing the actual breaking of the law.
	And also, it's like, right now, Hunter Biden is currently on trial, and I don't give a shit how that comes out.
	If he's guilty, he's guilty.
	And that's honestly how I felt about the question that Piers Morgan was posing.
	It's like, maybe, yeah, if Bill Clinton did something illegal, I'd say investigate it.
	Yeah.
	I don't know why anyone would not say that.
	Like, investigate it and let the investigation run its course.
	But the strange thing is no one has rebutted Pierce when that's brought up.
	Sure.
	I don't know why.
	Why wouldn't you?
	If you go into this absolutely not trusting the justice system, then you can't say a thing
	about the verdict because you think it's going to be a lie no matter what.
	You can't use the outcome, whether it's what you expected or not, to formulate your trust
	in something.
	It just doesn't make sense.
	You're either trusted or you don't go into it.
	If they happen to say, oh, he's not guilty, would you have more trust for it?
	It doesn't make sense to me.
	It reminds me of their same thoughts about the E. Jean Carroll situation.
	They said that's beyond the statute of limitations, which, I mean, I did write some notes about that.
	It happened in the 90s, but she was able to come forward with her allegations because of the, what was it called, the Adult Survivors Act, which went into effect in May of 2022, which gave people a one-year revival window to bring up instances where they were sexually assaulted and that's why Eugene Carroll came forward.
	They find that to be... He got away with it!
	Let him have it!
	Yeah!
	Let him have it!
	Once you get away with it... So he did all the lady!
	What's the big deal, man?
	That's a long time ago.
	That's the attitude that these people have.
	I know, it's fucking dumb.
	The same with the minimization... It's fine when he does it, yeah.
	Totally.
	But then there's the minimization of COVID, which is just fucking ridiculous.
	Of course you need to extend the statute of limitations during something like that.
	Courts close.
	It restricts in-person proceedings.
	Do you remember how bad Zoom was when that all started?
	Yes, it was terrible.
	Leaps and bounds.
	Things are amazing.
	Jaren's on fucking Zoom right now.
	You'd think he's in the room with us.
	It's the same kind of... It's amazing.
	And of course, the physical limitations.
	People could get COVID-19 if they go to court.
	You can't make judges sick.
	That's not okay.
	No, it's fine, dude.
	And then this is an interesting one that I hadn't actually considered.
	There's logistical access to justice, like problems with that, gathering evidence, locating witnesses, meeting with attorneys, you know, taking other necessary steps to pursue legal claims before statutes of limitations expire.
	Everything took longer during COVID.
	Of course it did.
	Everything.
	Extending this, it makes sense to me.
	I don't know.
	They're bitter about all of this.
	I truly don't understand how Every other day of the week, they lock them up, put everyone in prison if they're a lib, if they're a criminal.
	People are just breathing and think differently than them.
	If they're a criminal, put them in prison.
	Let me make money off of that.
	I invest in private prisons type of people.
	But just like not for Trump it just like like I just don't understand like how if all if him then also who else you know like where where's the line drawn and is it because you're Deeply in love with this person or something.
	Like I just like I don't understand it I think that that's the question there They're actually scared to ask and I'm not I'm not afraid of that at all.
	They say if we start with Trump what's to keep us from looking deeper into people like George W Bush or Bill Clinton and And honestly, fucking do it.
	Yeah, why not?
	Yeah, who gives a shit?
	Those guys all fucking suck anyway.
	And I hope that the next one... Yeah, even Joe Biden.
	Fucking do it.
	Look into that.
	But I just hope we should hold these people to a higher standard.
	This is ridiculous.
	Yeah, well, it's... They're all war criminals.
	Yeah, well, like, I feel like if you're president of the United States, you should not have the privacy of a citizen.
	It should not be the same.
	There should be a higher standard for everything that you do.
	Yeah.
	Yes.
	If you do evil things to get into power, it doesn't mean we should excuse those things.
	Yeah, of course.
	And the bad things you do while in power, you should be held accountable.
	Yes, of course.
	Did you see that Biden said that if Hunter gets convicted of the crimes, he's not going to pardon him?
	Good.
	Good, exactly.
	I fucking love that.
	Great.
	But let's be real, he threw away a gun.
	I've thrown away dozens.
	So this whole crime thing, in which an entire case was made, jury selected, trial was had, a verdict was found.
	Oh, cool, I can't wait for that to come out.
	down the sewers. So this whole crime thing in which an entire case was made, jury selected,
	trial was had, a verdict was found. Dude it was that jury duty show, season two. Oh cool,
	I can't wait for that to come out. But the crime, no one knows what it is.
	What is it?
	It's falsifying business records with the intent to conceal another crime Oh, and so the word predicate like this is the crime that he was basically covering up What is that crime?
	Nobody actually knows You're saying it's confusing and that maybe there's something I need to understand to go to but go to law school.
	No, no, no Nobody knows because Bragg never said it Never said, here's exactly what happened.
	Here are the charges.
	Here's the crime.
	You can just say, committed a crime.
	Now we get the statute of limitations we need so that we can go ahead and move forward with this case.
	The defense did not even know what the prosecution was alleging until closing arguments were finished.
	I've seen my cousin Vinny and that's not fair.
	Cool.
	I haven't seen that movie in a while.
	I don't know if it holds up.
	But also, I don't know if Bragg needed to publicly share the details of the crime, but the charges were clear.
	The 34 counts of falsifying business records of the first degree, and they just needed to agree that it was in service to a larger crime.
	Yeah.
	Which the jury did.
	The jury agreed to that.
	If they disagreed with that, then... They could have shared that.
	His lawyers approved these people.
	The whole thing for, yeah, exactly, Trump's lawyers approved these people, exactly, yeah.
	They are giving people too much credit for working together to do these conspiracies.
	Tell 12 people a secret and see if it gets out.
	It will.
	You think it would, plus all the other people that are actually working to, you know, facilitate this.
	Yes, tell 12 people a secret.
	I mean, how many paralegals are working these cases?
	At least one.
	Okay, so I think this is the most misleading right-wing talking point I've repeatedly heard regarding the guilty verdict.
	Uh, so Judge Merchant's instruction to the jury, by the way, gave the jury a way around all of this by allowing them to just assume Trump committed some underlying crime.
	I'm not kidding.
	Let me just read this to you guys.
	Although you must conclude unanimously that the defendant conspired to promote or prevent the election of any person to a public office by unlawful means, you need not be unanimous as to what those unlawful means were.
	So, you don't even need to know what the crime was.
	But they did need to agree that... He said the crime.
	Well, they said the crime, but in order for it to be a felony, they, again, had to agree that it was in service to another crime.
	But no, his instructions he just read said the crime.
	Not the crime that it was in service.
	It did say the crime.
	Yeah.
	No, it did.
	He read the crime to us.
	it conspired to promote or prevent the election of any person to a public office by unlawful
	means you need not be unanimous as to what those unlawful means were."
	He read the crime to us, conspiring to promote someone for election.
	They just didn't need to agree on which channel he used.
	He committed a murder, but they don't know how.
	Is that kind of what they're saying?
	Yeah, that's kind of what they're saying.
	You need to unanimously agree that he did this to help himself get elected, even if you cannot unanimously state the means with which he actually pulled the strings.
	So Judge Juan Marchand explicitly instructed the jury that their verdict on each of the 34 felony counts against Trump had to be unanimous.
	They all agree that he slept with Stormy Daniels.
	Meaning, yes, they did.
	That all 12 jurors must agree on a guilty or not guilty verdict for each count.
	However, the judge said that the jurors did not need to be unanimous on the specific unlawful
	meat drop may have used to commit or conceal the alleged crime of violating New York election law.
	That's, that's the crime he committed.
	It sounds like they're discussing the means with which he violated the law.
	The nuance of this led to a ton of false claims that the jury didn't need unanimity to actually convict Trump, which is a lie.
	Yeah.
	Some people apparently wrongly posted things like, four jurors could agree on a crime, four on another crime, and four on a third crime, and it would count as a unanimous verdict.
	But that's so misleading.
	It's like when you bring multiple identifications to get a new job.
	You have to have one from column A and two from column B and C.
	Yes, that actually does make sense.
	Same thing, yeah.
	It's interesting.
	It obviously misrepresented what Mershon, what the instructions were, but... These people don't understand what... Well, they don't think he did a crime to begin with, so of course they're not gonna want to think deeper on it.
	When they've already gone to trial about the Hush Money stuff already, like the first time they went through, right?
	So they all agree that that happened and that he was being... Also, who cares that it happened?
	He had been found guilty of it, right?
	Like that was the whole thing?
	So they keep acknowledging all of the things around it, but it's such a complicated math equation that all of these numbers logistically just break their fucking brains out of their skulls and they can't actually do the order of operations on this one.
	There's not enough parentheses in the fucking world to know where to start at.
	And that's, that seems to be where they are with all of this.
	Every time they open their mouth about it.
	Well, they're going to talk a little bit more, though, about what the possible crimes were.
	Now, there are three possible crimes that they could have said he violated, though they did not do that.
	Violations of federal campaign finance law would be one.
	That one would make the most sense.
	But it's wrong.
	Right?
	Federal campaign finance laws.
	Falsifying other business records, such as paperwork used to establish the bank account used to pay Stormy Daniels, bank records, and tax forms.
	I don't think they falsified any business records there.
	Pretty sure.
	Violation of city, state, and federal tax laws, including by providing false or fraudulent information on tax returns, even if it does not result in underpayment of taxes.
	I just, at this point, guys, like it's, are you seeing what's going on here?
	The jury found, everybody on the jury, 34 times, found that Trump falsified business records specifically with the intent to influence the outcome of the election.
	Yeah.
	But they were all too dumb.
	Yeah, of course.
	So this is what Tim was talking about.
	They didn't have to be, they could, there's three crimes, maybe four agree that it was this crime, maybe four think it was this crime, maybe three think it was this crime.
	It doesn't, there needs to be no unanimity between the jurors.
	Just, something probably happened.
	Yes.
	So now we can convict on this felony that's gonna put the frontrunner for President of the United States potentially behind bars.
	Yeah, you can do anything as long as you're the frontrunner.
	That's right, dude.
	If you're the CEO, if you got the most money, if you got the most power, it's fine.
	Ain't no rules, dude.
	Not for me.
	Yeah, and he's just spouting the same talking points that everyone else is on the right.
	For whatever reason this is like what popped in my head is like maybe combination the Roger Corman dying and seeing the interview pop up again that y'all did with him and if you put enough words on in front of somebody who can't figure out how to even say like a little bit of it then you just have like the Didi Ramon situation where he's his line in rock and roll high school is hey pizza Yeah, that's Ginger Snap.
	He's gonna say, hey pizza, it's great.
	Let's dig in.
	But he couldn't, he couldn't nail that.
	Yeah.
	He saw, he kept reading it and was just like, no, this doesn't make sense.
	The dyslexia just takes over for these guys.
	It's bananas.
	I don't know.
	Well, I also find what's really interesting about this is that, really, the crime that he was charged with was falsified business records.
	Yeah.
	And they already agreed on that.
	They agreed on.
	I mean, it seems like they did.
	Gerald kind of was like, yeah, let's just say.
	Yeah.
	Even then, is the jury, is their job, is their duty to determine whether or not they could even charge him with these crimes in the first place because of statute of limitations thing?
	No, that is not up to them.
	Are they the ones that determine if it's a felony or misdemeanor?
	I don't think so.
	No, of course not.
	All that they're doing is just saying that he falsified business records.
	That's it.
	Yeah, and to put the nail in the coffin here, they likely believed that business records were being falsified as part of a broader scheme to suppress negative stories about Trump, which is illegal.
	And through all of this, we should have, you know, much respect and trust in the words of Gerald Morgan Jr.
	Of course, yeah.
	I'm a very, um, logical, like, I will think through things.
	I don't react emotionally typically to stuff.
	I don't get angry.
	I'm very even keel.
	I will work myself up into being angry about an issue after I've had some time to process it.
	I try not to respond, you know, rashly to things.
	I only get angry when it makes sense.
	Yeah.
	He's been on a little bit of a crusade lately that makes this hard to believe.
	Let's jump back again, this time to May 21st.
	It's an episode titled, Joe Rogan Thinks Jesus is Fake, LMAO.
	That would have been better.
	The first post-sip subject is past Gerald as he reflects on a passionate, fairly disgusting take he made on Twitter and some of the fallout.
	Cabin Morgan, number two CEO, before we get to anything else, what is it that has your goat?
	I made a very reasonable statement.
	Any bets on if that's accurate?
	Oh no, what is it?
	You usually don't have to say it if it is true.
	What?
	I'm right!
	Yikes So there was a teacher and I don't know any of the details
	and I said that I was like look this just sounds weird But a 33 year old teacher slept with a senior boy, which I'm
	assuming is 17 or 18 year old year old kid, right?
	Mm-hmm and got 13 years in prison now, they slept together like 20 times and I was like, okay, no, it's not a real
	story You were reading penthouse letters. No, no, no, I was not
	And I was like, I just I was a bit I was a bit floored by it
	13 years is quite excessive.
	13 years of your life is, yes, exactly, for something that that kid had 20 smiles on his face for.
	And now listen, the first one, shame on you.
	Right.
	The 19th, 20th, it's, thank you.
	You send a gift, you send them Sherry's Berry.
	So if you don't know the details, Gerald, maybe don't get so invested.
	Yeah.
	I am making the stinkiest face over here.
	The fact that a woman was sent to prison for raping a child?
	Yeah, raping a child.
	And that made him upset?
	He's floored.
	Better take his foot off the gas.
	What?
	Yeah, he's a young man from any age of 14 to 18, perhaps.
	Listen up, once your voice gets low, you can get low with anyone.
	That's his take?
	That's disgusting.
	I know.
	Heather Daniel Hare, a 33-year-old former teacher at Bryant High School in Arkansas, was sentenced to 13 years in federal prison and an additional 20 years to serve concurrently for engaging in sexual acts with a 17-year-old male student.
	Miss Hare, she was a family consumer science teacher at Bryant High School, and in the fall of 2021, she met a male student in this situation.
	He's being referred to as JR.
	I'm gonna say the boy, I think, because... The boy.
	The child.
	Yeah.
	On the first day of his senior year, that's when they met, she began counseling the child in one-on-one sessions, then provided him with her phone number and communicated with him on Snapchat and Instagram.
	Great.
	Big red flag.
	Yeah, great.
	Imagine, just imagine, uh, imagine, put the shoe on the other foot, a male teacher sending like a panting dog.
	You're a moron.
	It's not the same.
	Yeah, it's not the same.
	It ain't the same at all, bro.
	It's not the same.
	You're kind of getting ahead of, you're getting ahead of this for sure.
	You can imagine where their head is with that.
	Yeah.
	The teacher confided in the student that she had a dream of them having sex and gave him her home address.
	They then engaged in sexual activity approximately 20 to 30 times.
	That's how many times this woman raped this child.
	Sure.
	Throughout 2021 to 2022 at her house, in her car, in her classroom, and in parking lots at the school.
	Goddamn.
	Yeah.
	In April of 2022, Ms.
	Hare chaperoned a school field trip to Washington, D.C.
	It was related to her family consumer science course, and this student was the only male among the four students on the trip.
	During the trip, Ms.
	Hare and the student engaged in unlawful sexual activity, which Hare later pled guilty to.
	She was indicted on August 1st, 2023, on charges of interstate travel for prostitution slash sexual activity by coercion, And transportation of a minor with intent to engage in criminal sexual activity.
	I imagine that there's some coercion context in there somewhere.
	Sure.
	But yeah, she pleaded guilty to the charge of transportation of a minor to engage in illegal sexual activity and other charges.
	They were dismissed.
	Miss Hare was also charged with two counts of sexual assault in the first degree.
	She turned herself into authorities in April of 2023 and has been held without bond since then.
	And yeah, she is admitted to detailed accusations against her and saying that they were 100% accurate during her sentencing hearing and was investigated by the FBI and the Sheriff's Office.
	But who fucking cares, right?
	Who cares?
	This is a fuck, man.
	Yeah, he's a boy of a certain age.
	Exactly.
	And then people are like, oh, it's the power dynamic or reverse the genders.
	I mean, no, no, none of that is true.
	Like, I understand those dynamics.
	And yes, this is morally wrong to me.
	Of course.
	But to lose 13 years of your life, I'm like, hey, that just sounds a bit much to me.
	Like anybody, what do you guys think?
	And it's funny, I'm pissing off all the right people.
	And you know exactly who I'm talking to right now.
	I'm right here, Gerald.
	Like the males and people who, you know, act conservative.
	Didn't go well for you last time you challenged me, bro.
	So don't come at me again.
	Whoa.
	But what I'm saying is, Everybody else.
	This is not the most insane viewpoint to have to go.
	Ooh, 13 years of your life for something that this 17 year old boy who is effectively a man wanted Well, listen, you know what I'm outraged the most about is that America's already in a deficit of teachers, and how are we going to get people in these doors?
	We need more teachers and this is going to push them out.
	I love that he's like morally disagreeing.
	If I can't fuck my students, what am I doing here?
	Not a man can't consent.
	How the fuck do you know, Gerald?
	Don't know anything about this.
	You don't know that this kid was smiling after this?
	You don't know how he felt when he was by himself later?
	Being fucking snapchatted by a 33 year old?
	You don't know the conversations around what it's like when he goes to school the next day?
	Of course!
	There's so much at play here, and it's fucking... Well, in the country, too.
	I mean, until the late 1970s, sex involving an adult female and an underage male was often ignored entirely by the law.
	Of course, this is the belief that it's like a sexual initiation for a younger man.
	Yeah.
	It's gross.
	It's the Porky's Theory.
	Sure.
	I mean, like, all of that shit is just, like, this type of shit that hasn't died.
	Animal house, you know what I mean?
	Like, nerds.
	All of this, like, these 80s movies tropes that are just like... Revenge of the Nerds, where that man fully rapes that woman in a bounce house or whatever?
	Yeah!
	Come on!
	That's just like guys being dudes!
	Yikes.
	Statutory rape, regardless of genders involved, can have traumatic psychological impacts on that victim.
	And that's what this boy is.
	He's a victim.
	While social attitudes sometimes minimize the trauma for male victims, research shows that they are at significant risk of developing post-traumatic stress disorder and other long-term illnesses.
	Sure.
	There's a study in 2005 that estimated that around 16% of men were sexually victimized as children, with a vast majority of perpetrators being female.
	And then, yeah, male victims of childhood sexual abuse, including statutory rape, they have an increased risk of developing PTSD, depression, substance abuse, they have substance abuse issues, and often suicide attempts are more likely than with non-victims.
	But it's fine, because it's a dude.
	And also, like, he has 20 smiles on his face.
	Sounds like just Hard Times Great Soft Men.
	Awesome.
	Now, if she truly did rape him, then throw the book at her.
	I'm fine with that.
	Yeah, 20 times, considering the hydraulics that are necessary, doesn't seem like forcible rape.
	Is it wrong?
	Sure.
	Just to be clear.
	It's wrong, just like Hitler is bad.
	We all understand that.
	Hitler, bad.
	Sleeping with your male student, bad.
	But 13, it's not the same.
	Because, guys, comment.
	Have you been a 17 year old boy?
	Gross Steve guys comment was it fine when Michael Jackson did it?
	Why are these people coming out against him now like in their adulthoods, you know, like yeah
	This is like the start of that conversation later on that's the cyclical nature of this type of abuse, right?
	Is that like because you don't always recognize it when you're a child while it's happening like it comes out in other
	weird ways when you're an adult if you haven't been able to deal with that sort of
	thing and And then these are the same dickheads that are gonna tell you that like being a man in therapy or something is incorrect and like not, you know, alpha behavior or something.
	Well, and they're also the people who hold sexual encounters in such high regard, you know, Stephen is- Stephen's only slept with one woman.
	Let's be clear.
	That's what- Allegedly.
	Allegedly.
	Yeah, he saved himself for marriage and I wouldn't be surprised if Gerald did the same or at least intended to
	After he stopped wishing her happy death No one could really hang out with him after that he was
	The only thing that people could get by with him on was his Tupac Shakur cassette.
	Yet, they minimize this situation and, you know, talk so grossly about it.
	Also gross, though, the hydraulics argument that male sexual arousal can only happen if you want it.
	Of course, dude.
	No, it's... I mean, like, and they also, Stephen's saying, like, him, you look like a 17-year-old boy.
	Boy?
	Yeah.
	That whole thing, too.
	Does that not imply that he was hot for teacher?
	I don't know.
	It's like, yeah, I get it.
	Kids are horny.
	There's a whole movie about it, I guess, right?
	Sure, horny kids.
	They're saying, like, hot for teacher, like, every fantasy is an appropriate fantasy.
	And well, these are children.
	They can have as many fantasies as they fucking want.
	It's up to the adults to be adults and not commit crimes, sex crimes, towards children.
	Very clearly.
	Sexual arousal, physiological response that can occur without actually wanting it to happen.
	It's a physical... Hey listen, every erection I've ever had was... I told myself to do it.
	Yeah, it can occur with physical stimulation alone.
	You don't have to want it to become erect.
	I know the opposite's true, right?
	Am I right?
	Can we roll the ED ad?
	The ED ad?
	Guys, it's uh, yeah, what's up?
	This is Blue Chews.
	I said blue tooth.
	Yeah, I am red in the face right now.
	Let me tell you boys.
	We have a sponsor, it's Red Chew.
	Red Chew.
	It's kind of like the red pill.
	It's weird, I don't know.
	It tastes like licorice, black licorice.
	I learned this in my EMT training days, the autonomic nervous system, it's not the conscious mind, that's what controls things like erections, also reflexive things like breathing and digestion.
	So you're saying that a hard dick's just like taking a deep breath?
	Well, not exactly.
	Natch.
	Natch, all natural.
	I'll remind you once again, though, this boy was underage.
	Yes.
	He can't make this choice.
	Correct.
	Even if he wasn't being pressured and thought that this is something he wanted to participate in.
	Correct.
	It's a child.
	Also... Hang on, I'm Gerald real quick.
	Huh?
	Consent is 16 years old.
	Oh, we'll get to that in a second.
	Jesus.
	Also, there's a pretty significant spectrum between Hitler and statutory rape.
	Of course, they're going to take any excuse to play that Hitler bad sound.
	I don't know if they're normalizing Hitler.
	Or they're normalizing statutory rape.
	There's a rebel guest on their show now, I guess.
	Yeah, most... What is that?
	Ice cream.
	Ice cream trucks coming by outside.
	That's kind of fun.
	We don't have a train, we got an ice cream truck.
	Go get something.
	Most importantly, I'll get some ice cream while this clip plays.
	It does seem excessive.
	Also, is she attractive?
	I didn't think so.
	Is she possibly attractive?
	Yes.
	Yes.
	Not guilty.
	Yes.
	Now look, I get it.
	Again, wrong.
	I get all that stuff, but just to have this conversation, I'm like, you've got to be kidding me.
	And people are like, just trying to come out and trot out like, I'm a solid Christian.
	I can't believe you, Gerald.
	I can't believe you'd double down.
	Well, I'm going to triple and quadruple down on this.
	We'll talk about it more on Friday.
	Give some of the details.
	You just don't believe in the 13 years.
	No, I don't.
	Should she be fired?
	Yes, of course.
	Should she ever be able to teach again?
	No.
	Should there be some kind of penalty?
	Yes, absolutely.
	I just don't think it's 13 years of your life.
	Yeah.
	That's all I'm saying.
	Yeah.
	Are you sure?
	I mean, really, you could argue that he lost 17 years of his life because it didn't start until he met her.
	Rape is funny.
	It's so fucking funny, dude.
	Rape is the punchline of the century.
	And also... Law and order is a joke.
	I don't think it should be 13 years so that when I get caught doing some bullshit that I don't have to go sit in a fucking prison cell for that long.
	Is that why?
	Is that why?
	I don't know.
	You keep saying hang tight and it's like why does this write itself so easily?
	Let's run through Gerald's tweet storm really quick and discuss some of the feedback you got.
	This is his first post May 19th at 9 p.m.
	Hmm, I wonder if that's central time or if this is like bed Gerald.
	He's up late Yeah, this is in response to someone saying just in Arkansas high school teacher sends to 13 years in prison after she was accused of R asterisk PING one of their minor students 33 year old Heather Herring goes into detail and it's playing a video of her kind of being kind and sweet like a normal teacher and So, of course, Gerald responds, And it looks like people responded a couple of the standouts here.
	in it, not sure of the details, but if she actually raped him, then fine.
	But if they just had sex and the rape, in quotes, was statutory while he was 17 or 18,
	then I'm a bit shocked.
	Thoughts?"
	And it looks like people responded to a couple of the standouts here.
	So you're fine with adults having sex with children?
	That's not something I'd see online, but I'm new to this, so I don't know.
	Teacher groomed her student?
	Statutory or forced, it's a big deal and unacceptable, said Bubba Jones III.
	Bubba Jones coming in clutch, dude.
	This guy has an upside-down Alito flag.
	Wow!
	Okay, never mind.
	Thoughts?
	I think...
	Broken clock is twice, right?
	You get the broken clock.
	Then he, I think this must have been, yep, the next morning at 741 in response to someone saying, wow, I didn't expect better from you, Gerald.
	Imagine if it was your daughter and it was a male teacher.
	Yeah, I never said it was okay.
	Just 13 years seemed a bit harsh.
	And no, I won't imagine it the other way around because this case wasn't the other way around.
	A 17-slash-18-year-old male is very different from a 17-slash-18-year-old female.
	Listen, you're trying to make me understand, but I will never understand.
	I'm not going to do that.
	And I did kind of fact check that.
	You've always heard, you know, girls mature faster than boys.
	Yeah.
	Which in this case is kind of going against the idea, right?
	Yeah, this is.
	The opposite.
	Yeah, you're arguing the wrong point here, bud.
	Yeah.
	Girls typically begin puberty one to two years earlier.
	That's the interesting thing.
	It's not that significant.
	Yeah.
	It's not like it's like a six-year gap.
	Yeah, so it's not a really valid argument to begin with.
	Yes.
	But you hear people say that and he's unwilling to flip it because that's not the situation.
	Yeah, this is the opposite of his point.
	I guess.
	What are you trying to say, man?
	You know, he said some more stuff.
	Great.
	This is a little bit later in the day, about three hours later.
	He's really heated up over this.
	Yeah.
	So now people are trying to convince me that there is no difference between a 17-slash-18-year-old boy and a 17-18-no-slash-forgot-it-year-old girl in the context of sex.
	Boys at that age are thinking of only one thing.
	It is my assumption that girls are not.
	Biology.
	That's a big cell phone for Gerald.
	Yeah, not Gen Z kids.
	Hey listen, no girls wanted to have sex with me when I was in high school.
	They definitely don't think about it.
	It's clear misogyny that we say that women and girls don't have sexual desire.
	They're all very chaste.
	I can't believe you would say this.
	I also love that he's doing 17 slash 18 because he knows it's a 17 year old.
	Yeah, it's pretty clear at this point.
	He's trying to say like 17, 18, same thing!
	The statement of boys are only thinking of one thing is bullshit.
	Of course it is.
	We gotta get rid of that.
	Yes.
	They're just thinking about not wanting to drive cars or something now, right?
	The other argument I've heard from, like, conservatives who talk about this stuff is that, like, can you believe that kids aren't having sex anymore?
	Can you believe that they don't want to drive cars?
	Can you believe that they're trying, like, different things than, like, what our generations tried out?
	I can't believe this shit.
	Was this all this year that you were talking about all this?
	This stuff is, like, recent.
	Yeah, more recent than ever.
	Two weeks ago, three weeks ago.
	Oh, Gerald, man, what the fuck are you doing?
	Well, he's not done.
	This is 6 a.m.
	the next day.
	Great, keep it going.
	I'll be discussing on Friday's Mug Club Show, and yes, I will double, triple, and quadruple down.
	Ooh, nice, nice.
	Teenage girls don't want to have sex with anyone, but all boys who are teenagers are trying to get it in.
	And I'm going to be talking about that extensively over here on Mug Club for the next 45 minutes.
	Yeah.
	And he's absolutely ignoring the gap in age there.
	It's significant.
	That girl is twice as old as that person.
	Yeah.
	Twice as old as that person.
	Can you imagine?
	How dumb were you when you were 17?
	I was dumb until I was about 29.
	Ditto.
	Ditto.
	We were all trying to fight each other when we were 17.
	Deeply stupid.
	So dumb.
	And I leaned on people I trusted.
	I leaned on adults for help.
	Yeah, I mean 33, like imagine 33 when you're 17.
	That's like deep adult.
	Imagine hanging out right now with 17 year olds.
	I wouldn't.
	At my old job, I would manage some kids, right?
	See them for like an hour a day or something like that and it'd be like, all right, just like get this done.
	And sometimes when I'd have to like check in with like what happened the night before when I was opening.
	Everyone's doing TikTok dances and stuff.
	Yeah like uh figuring out how to like chicken wing a uh a broom under their arm so they don't have to get off the phone and that type of shit and it's like god I like couldn't even imagine like talking to these people in any other way it's just like get to work and I don't ever want to like know what happens in your head that that you think that that's an appropriate way to do anything that's my old head shit but No, I... Yeah, how can you connect with somebody like that?
	It's like, I don't know, maybe like watch an adult work or something.
	His audience isn't really connecting with him on this.
	This is from FJB2024.
	What do you think?
	I'm not really sure.
	For Joe Biden.
	Fan of Joe Biden.
	Dude, I'm begging you don't die on this hill.
	It's making Louder With Crowder look bad.
	Now you have people saying Gerald who works for Louder With Crowder is sympathizing with pedophiles.
	Even though it's not true.
	It's a horrible thing to get canceled over.
	You guys have done such amazing work.
	Oh wow.
	Yes, he's going very deep here.
	Nashville Manifesto.
	Yeah, of course they reference the Nashville Manifesto.
	They love Mug Club.
	Please don't let this be the thing that takes you guys down.
	Don't throw that good work away for this dumb defending a 33 year old woman who's caught with a 17 year old boy.
	Seriously, just move on.
	Don't let this be the thing that ruins your company.
	People will run with this story everywhere.
	They'll make it seem way worse than what you said.
	They'll happily use it as another way to try and cancel culture.
	And I mean, he's not alone.
	Other people said, someone said fewer laws is always the answer, which is kind of funny.
	Just made me realize that we are the media, huh?
	We are the media.
	We're kind of like citizen journalists, I guess, in that way.
	Froggy Thickleg said... Nice, great name.
	You are constantly losing my respect over the last couple of days.
	Seriously, it is disgusting and abhorrent.
	In the school I went to, we had a mid-40s teacher who was grooming 16 and 17 year old girls in his class.
	He ended up marrying a former student a month after we graduated.
	That case and this case are equally disgusting and depraved.
	I will die on that hill because you are emphatically wrong, not just on a secular moral platform, but also from a Christian perspective.
	Do better or replace yourself with Gerald B.C.
	That happened at my school too.
	Our gym teacher had a whole family and then he had a family with a 16 year old.
	Yikes.
	Well who's that one politician who had like a 17 year old girl come and visit him and then he like married her like shortly after that?
	Are you talking about the 17 year old that Matt Gaetz sex trafficked around?
	No, no, no.
	Allegedly.
	I mean this one's 17 though, but it's 17, okay?
	It's not a big deal.
	He, uh, went on to tweet a couple more things.
	The age of consent in Arkansas is 16.
	This boy—he says boy, interesting—was 17.
	Are you saying that it should be illegal for a 33-year-old to have sex with a 17-year-old boy if both consent?
	If so, what is the point of having an age of consent law?
	Which is interesting because in the state, Of Arkansas, the age difference in relationships involving minors is regulated by the state's statutory rape laws, and here are a few points into that.
	The age of consent is indeed 16, but there is a close-in-age exemption, which is often known as, yeah, that allows for consensual sex between minors who are close in age.
	Specifically, this exemption applies if one person is under the age of 14 and the other is less than three years older.
	So like a 14 and a 17?
	17, yeah.
	And then once it's 16 or 17 and the person is less than 17 years older?
	Yeah.
	I think is the... Interesting.
	Is that what it is?
	Well, yeah, it is illegal for an adult 18 years or older to engage in sexual activity with someone under the age of 16, which is... So if it's 15, you can go up to... 18 wouldn't work because the third one cancels out that.
	Yes, that's true.
	All right, and there are heightened penalties if an adult in a position of trust or authority over the minor Like a teacher coach or someone part of the clergy does take advantage of this so severity So basically what they're saying is that the age of consent is irrelevant because there's a Romeo and Juliet law But it doesn't apply when yeah, and it never does in these types of situations, but I think that that's like the weird like The Romeo and Juliet law is for like 15 year olds having sex with like 17 year olds.
	Of course, but this this position of trust and authority situation when an individual in the position of trust or authority engages in sexual activity with a minor is often referred to as what is a sexual assault.
	Oh, okay.
	Okay, cool.
	Sexual abuse under the law.
	In Arkansas, the specific statute is called the sexual assault in third degree.
	Okay.
	Gotcha.
	And it applies to situations where the adult having sex with a minor is a teacher, coach, or school employee, or a person in position of trust or authority over the minor, like a parent, step-parent, foster parent, guardian, or anyone else.
	Okay, but I mean, it's a 17-year-old guy.
	No.
	Okay, listen.
	He's horny.
	Undefined, aged.
	He may have been, and maybe he's going to pay for that for the rest of his life because this fucking woman coerced him into Also, the person I was talking about earlier was John Rose.
	He was 45 and a 17 year old girl came on like a field trip and met him.
	Oh, dang.
	And now they're married.
	And it's gross.
	It is gross.
	All of this sucks.
	Spin that.
	Gerald says, really interesting responses to my issues with the teacher being sentenced to 13 years in prison.
	I'm surprised you guys are upset.
	My passion around this is a fair punishment.
	She broke the law, but is 13 years the right punishment?
	And at this point, I'll say she likely will not stay in jail for 13 years.
	Can we agree that their age gap should be the time she spends in prison?
	I mean, it's kind of a cool way to do it.
	That's like a real sunglasses law for sure.
	You're gonna drop that and then you're gonna drop the shades and skateboard away.
	The only law broken to my knowledge, she was a teacher, he was a student.
	Is that the law that's broken?
	The teacher-student thing?
	Like she's not allowed to be a teacher?
	That's how it is on like every academic level, right?
	Yeah, I think every teacher and student has a relationship of some kind, right?
	That isn't nothing, but I just don't know that it warrants the sentence, the kid was above the kid.
	It gets so gross to say, right?
	The kid was above the age of consent and unless there were other factors involved in the case that would indicate clear rape or something else, then I don't see why a 13 year old sentence would be appropriate.
	It just doesn't make sense to me.
	Maybe listen to everyone else and then reflect.
	Probably, right?
	Yes.
	No, this isn't pedophilia.
	He is, by law, an adult with the ability to consent to sex with a person of any age according to the laws in Arkansas.
	He's not an adult.
	He may be able to sexually consent at 16.
	To a 17 year old or an 18 year old.
	Yeah, but that doesn't make him an adult.
	Yep.
	Back on my Gerald shit.
	Yeah.
	Haven't you guys seen the rap singer Drake show Euphoria?
	It's nothing like this.
	No, no, it is super gross and disgusting to me, but that doesn't make it illegal.
	Then why go to bat, man?
	Why are you fighting for it, bro?
	You fight so much more about legal stuff you find gross, but for some reason something you find gross... Sidney Sweeney has beautiful melons!
	Jesus, I know it!
	You gonna take that away from me?
	Believe me... Oh, I'm not gonna become a teacher then!
	This isn't an issue I like trying to sort out.
	It makes me look like I agree with what the teacher did and I do not.
	How do I get roped up in this?
	But we all need to be careful when throwing the book at people based on a gut reaction.
	This wasn't a gut reaction, this was over the course of two and a half years.
	Yes, lengthy investigations about this.
	The punishment should fit the crime and here it just doesn't seem to line up.
	This sounds like that one actual good comedian who talks about how there's a difference between pedophiles and hebephiles, but you can't talk about it because if you do you sound like a pedophile.
	Yeah, I like that joke.
	It's very funny.
	I dug back into his history and he said a lot of kind of fucked up stuff back in 2017.
	This is interesting.
	Someone said, when you remove a condom without permission and there is no consent, it is called stealthing and is simply rape.
	This is part of the LA Times piece.
	Yeah, that's rape for sure.
	Yeah, he says, are you fucking kidding me?
	It's rape?
	Question mark.
	Hashtag morons.
	Oh my God.
	Jesus fucking Christ.
	Gross, man.
	November of that same year.
	Absolutely.
	God doesn't hate people who have same sex attraction.
	He wants the best for them.
	It goes out of his way to get the word out that life isn't found there.
	Christians for years have acted like this is the worst sin, though, and that has led to a lot of crossed wires.
	Perfect.
	Great.
	Good take.
	And I'm gay.
	Great.
	Absolutely, to be clear, even though I don't struggle with same-sex attraction, I do struggle with other things.
	Sometimes I struggle well and resist temptation, and sometimes I don't.
	I have a group of guys around me who I tell everything, and their job is to point me back, number two, Christ.
	Fuck.
	What has he told these people?
	Is he on Coveted Eyes?
	Oh, that's a cool app.
	Yeah, what's Coveted Eyes?
	It's just a bro app where you kind of spill your guts and hold people accountable.
	Oh, yeah, like if if I'm over here looking at the newest You know, well, it's banned in Texas now, but the step stepmom type of situation Porno, you know, it's gonna alert all of your guys's phones and it's gonna let you know that I am looking at stepmom porno.
	Stepmom pornos.
	And you gotta call, you gotta call me on my shit, bro.
	Yeah, and you gotta send me that link.
	And I'm gonna link you up.
	I'm gonna link you up.
	I heard a really great trivia name, by the way.
	Oh.
	And the trivia name was, help stepbro, I'm stuck on this question.
	Yikes.
	Okay, let's move on.
	Hell yeah.
	So one thing I've learned in watching all these conservative parents running for school board or showing up at PTA meetings with demands, parents should always get involved in the lives of their children.
	Yeah.
	Yeah.
	Helicopters.
	Cool.
	And I want to know if like parents were involved.
	Typically that's what happens in these cases.
	Parents get all pissed off and high and mighty.
	My 17 year old boy, your 17 year old boy would sleep with a lug wrench if it could work.
	I don't want to hear it.
	I think there are ways to make it work.
	I know I would.
	Yeah.
	No, I understand too.
	Look, people say reverse the rules.
	Okay.
	Okay, let's do that.
	Gerald Morgan Jr.
	of the Louder With Cryder podcast is a groomer.
	He groomed me from the time I was 17 to 21.
	I don't have a platform.
	I've been talking about it for over a week and I'm just really tired because it's like it doesn't fucking matter.
	Because he's a public figure or whatever and he has this platform of loyal followers and nothing is going to happen to him.
	He's just going to keep getting to do it.
	He's just going to keep getting to be around teen women in his church, teen girls in his church, and it's going to keep being okay.
	And it doesn't matter what I said.
	Well that's a fucking gross allegation.
	It's hard to pin this down exactly, but on July 13th, 2023, a TikTok from a 33-year-old user named Faith These Days posted several videos alleging that Gerald Morgan Jr.
	groomed her and other teenagers at a Christian camp.
	Unfortunately, her account has been deleted, likely due to threats from Crowder fans or even legal threats from Gerald himself.
	You know, knowing what we do, it wouldn't be surprising how they handle situations like this.
	Sure.
	Yeah, I mean, do you have any proof that they think that or just is that what we believe?
	That's my guess, yeah.
	Gotcha, okay.
	I haven't been able to find any further information about Faith these days, so I do have to say that these are just allegations.
	Given his current stance on statutory rape, I don't believe that he has much regard for these laws.
	Sure, yeah.
	He seems to not, yeah.
	So this is a longer TikTok that describes in more detail.
	So when I was 17, I was a part of this weird Crazy Christian internship program at a church where I paid thousands of dollars in tuition to essentially be free labor.
	They were, they treated us like actual servants.
	It was ridiculous.
	And then at night we had to go to seminary school.
	I met Gerald because he was a fellow student at seminary school.
	He also very quickly after that began working in the offices for the education pastors that headed up our program.
	So he, his boss was like my program head.
	So we, we were around each other quite a lot and we became really fast friends.
	I mean like even like in the office it's just this guy who's like sending you pictures of him grabbing the very first Chick-fil-A bag of the day and asking for the person behind him to take a picture of him like sending that to the group chat the work group chat me like look who's on their way with honey chicken biscuits for one Yeah.
	I mean, it's not a friend to anyone.
	And this next part is interesting.
	It's kind of similar to our current situation.
	I was 17 when I started that program.
	He was, I really want to say 29, could be older, but I really think he was 29 when we officially met.
	So by the time we stopped hanging out, he was in his early 30s, for sure.
	He also became very fast friends with my best friend.
	We're going to call her Mary.
	She was one year older than me and she was the daughter of the education pastors.
	So she was obviously up there a lot.
	She worked part-time there and was going to college.
	Again, she was one year older than me, so she was like 18, 19, whatever.
	They became friends.
	And he was 30.
	was 30. 18, 19, 17. Well, 17 is young. Additionally, he had us introduce him to our other younger
	best friend who we're going to call Betty.
	She was two years younger than me.
	And they became fast friends as well.
	And they spent a lot of alone time together as well.
	He spent alone time with each one of us, and then he spent time with all three of us together.
	And now that I am 33, the thought of spending time willingly with a teenager, Like, for what?
	Like, why?
	I want to be really clear about the fact that nothing sexual transpired between Gerald and I. He never officially crossed that line with me.
	He crossed the line in communication with me sometimes.
	Like, he was suggestive in the way that he spoke to me, but he never physically, like, laid a hand on me in that way.
	I don't know about Betty and Mary because we are not in contact anymore.
	and they're still very much wrapped up in evangelical Christianity so they might not even recognize
	what happened to them as grooming at this point in time because you know Christianity teaches
	grooming as love as we know. Okay groomer. I've been wanting to say that for a while.
	So Betty is 15 is what she's saying.
	Alleging, yeah.
	How old is Gerald?
	Gerald currently?
	I mean she said she was 17 and now she's 33.
	He's in his 40s.
	Does that track?
	I would say so.
	I think what really bums me out most is that she said that Christianity treats that that that is love, you know, and that it's gross.
	We all know that there's a lot of sexual abuse even beyond the Catholic Church.
	Of course.
	Within these church communities.
	There's people in position of leadership that's in attempting to hold themselves to high moral standards.
	They find themselves breaking those rules in egregious ways.
	Sure.
	The rigidity of religions, the repression of... I don't even want to get into this.
	I don't want to... There's so much to fucking unpack about it.
	But I mean, yeah.
	Big yuck, if true, Gerald.
	Yeah, that's definitely, it's gross, it's gross.
	Obviously, she knows her experiences.
	It sounds like other people have similar experiences, yeah.
	And of course, this is just what she's alleging.
	Yeah.
	Gerald hasn't been charged or anything.
	Regardless, stop fucking defending that teacher.
	Why the fuck would you do that?
	Again, didn't know the details of the case.
	You don't know how much coercion, how the boy feels about this.
	And even, even then, it's just like, why would you pick that as the hill to die on?
	I don't understand it.
	This is like, like the kind of stance like edgy 18 year old would take.
	Yeah.
	The laws, bro.
	The laws.
	Yeah.
	Imagine our parents saying this.
	They'd be very disappointed.
	Yeah.
	I mean, obviously our parents are older than Gerald, but.
	Put down the bat.
	Just walk away from this one, Gerald.
	Yes.
	And stay off Twitter, honestly.
	Just stop.
	It causes you a lot of trouble.
	You know, Mike Falzone's old, hey, shh, don't.
	Also, get your temper under control.
	He says he's a very even-keeled guy.
	That's how we got here.
	He gets angry after he learns.
	He says, listen, I need to be angry about this.
	Let me be angry about this teacher's unfair sentencing for raping this boy.
	Yeah.
	Well, back to the studio to wrap up their opening bit.
	Bit?
	Yeah, that's what this was.
	There's a legitimate time to reverse roles, right, as an argument.
	In this case, for example, you don't hear me talk a lot or spend a lot of time on the fact that women commit domestic abuse at a higher rate, physical abuse, than men do.
	Significantly.
	You'll hear me talk about the fact that they do that with children, single mother households.
	Far more likely for the child to experience physical abuse than in single father households.
	But as far as a woman hitting a guy, the reason I don't spend as much time on it, even though, of course, it is illegal and it's just as wrong, let's be honest, that's not what you fear as a man in a relationship.
	It's kind of funny when it actually does happen.
	What you fear is the abuse of the courts.
	What you fear is the social shaming, is the manipulating, is turning... Guys aren't afraid of their wife swatting them, so I'd rather focus on the issue at hand that actually matters.
	Sure, the role's reversed, but in that case, it's not an apples-to-apples comparison.
	I don't even think he's right with those statistics.
	I don't think that he is.
	I think that men are less likely to report.
	Sure.
	Sure.
	But even then, Stephen, don't talk about domestic abuse.
	Yeah, let's not.
	Don't talk about it, buddy.
	It's another example of... You're not the guy to talk about it.
	Let's not.
	We proved Gerald should shut his mouth.
	I think it's fairly clear that Stephen also should.
	Yes.
	However... What the fuck?
	You honestly can't know.
	Just because of the biology, you can't know if this was consensual.
	I get the argument that if the person is 17, they legally can't consent.
	Depends on the state.
	But you can't know with a young girl.
	With a young boy, 20 times...
	You know, physically, it would have to be emphatically consensual for it to work.
	If she drugged him, different.
	But let's just be honest.
	Guys, come on.
	Everyone out there knows.
	You know how the Tinker Toys work.
	In third chair today, you know him, you love him.
	When you hear this...
	Yeah, Steven doesn't know how tinker toys work.
	That's just about all I can handle for this week.
	If you disagree with us on any of this, I would look in a mirror.
	Yeah, if you disagree with us, yeah, look in a mirror.
	Or, here's what you should do.
	Pick a point that definitely is not a point you should argue and just argue with us on Twitter about it.
	Yeah, that would be fun.
	Yeah, try to convince us otherwise.
	Take that damn clown makeup off while you're at it.
	Rating and reviewing us on Apple Podcasts and giving us stars on Spotify.
	Really kind and nice thing to do.
	Makes me happy.
	Really appreciate it.
	I want 17 to 33 stars.
	That would be cool!
	Interesting.
	That's an interesting number.
	We made it through that.
	I thought that was going to be fun and casual.
	It ended up being maybe one of our darkest episodes.
	What a fucking gross show.
	Pretty gross, honestly.
	Not having fun with any of this content tonight.
	We're a nation in decline.
	And then jumping to... Join me over here and the people that looks into the women's shower and we'll see you next time.
	Join us on X actually, at Van Crowder, kind of the same thing.
	Not our Twitter, just Twitter in general.
	Yep.
	LouderThanCrowder.com, LouderWithCrowder.net.
	Boys, did we learn anything?
	I don't think we did.
	Yeah, kind of though.
	We learned that one of the people that we listen to quite often has a lot of words about them and their previous actions in places that would otherwise be safe if it weren't for people like himself.
	And we're gonna keep talking about this guy for a long time, probably, so that's good for character development, right?
	That's a cool arc we can take with Gerald this week.
	The second chair episode, the first of many.
	I learned that my dick decides if I get raped or not, not my mind.
	Great.
	Unwanted pregnancies, the body just takes care of stuff.
	Until next time, I'm Byron.
	I'm Jared.
	And I'm sorry.
	It's Dennis.
	Take care.
	You've been listening to an AudioWall original, produced by Byron McCoy.

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