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April 1, 2024 - Louder Than Crowder

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EPISODE 26: NON-EXPOSURE AGREEMENT (MARCH 26TH - 28TH)

All we wanted was to settle back in with some standard, debunkable Crowder content...that's not what we got. After former employee, Not Gay Jared, dropped his truth in a video on X, Captain Morgan stepped in to set the record, "straight". Certainly not to obfuscate and vilify Jared, and Steven's ex-wife. Email: louderthancrowder@gmail.com Twitter/X: @thancrowder Music by DJ Danarchy

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	This is an AudioWool original.
	This is where Jared gets involved.
	Thanks for watching!
	Welcome to Louder Than Crowder, a podcast about the podcast, louder with Crowder.
	My name's Byron, and I'm joined tonight in person by Dennis.
	I'm not an attorney.
	No?
	I'm not an attorney.
	You're not legally representing anything other than yourself.
	Only my opinion.
	And Jared in occupied Texas, how you doing?
	I'm doing the Harlem Shake right now.
	Just bringing it back as soon as the beat hit.
	I think it's 11 p.m.
	where he is.
	He needs it right now.
	Yeah, I do need it.
	I do need it.
	You know what I needed?
	When I entered this week, I was thrilled, excited, over the moon to jump back into some regularly scheduled and traditionally programmed Louder with Crowder.
	We missed our boy.
	I missed him.
	Well, yeah, and I wanted to hear his Stupid ideas, and his dumb voice saying it.
	How's his body?
	Transphobia, all the racism, LGBTQ hate.
	I was looking forward to bad accents.
	Yeah, damn, that is not what we got.
	If you haven't heard yet, Steven's been in the news this week.
	I mean, he's been in his own news.
	A small ecosystem of... The echo chamber is loud.
	Yes, and I mean he peeked through, he was trending on X, but what isn't?
	Yeah, what is it?
	Epstein is every day.
	Really?
	But yeah, tonight as we go through this medium to pretty significant moment in the Chowderverse, I'd like to, you know, actually jump in with some emergency episode music because that is what this is.
	And this is coming from the DJ Dan Archive.
	DJ Dan Archivey.
	Nice.
	What's happening in my body?
	Oh, shit.
	What are my shoulders doing?
	Oh, my knees are knocking.
	This is such a banger, dude.
	Peace out yo!
	I want to teach you guys how to doogie real quick.
	Just really quick.
	More like DJ Damarchy.
	That was good.
	All right.
	So apologies up front.
	We're shuffling papers.
	We got stackies like Alex Jones over here.
	So this whole situation is fresh.
	So we're going to be a little bit loose as we go through it.
	I'd like to get started briefly with the March 27th episode of Louder with Grouter.
	Things are different, though.
	Third chair.
	Not Josh.
	Not Alex Jones.
	Not Brian Callan.
	Not, uh, who's the other racist Italian guy?
	Papa!
	Oh, not Papa Crowder.
	I was thinking about Nick DiPaolo.
	Oh.
	Oh.
	It's completely empty.
	Okay.
	Is it just two chairs?
	No, second chair is also empty.
	Okay.
	Good morning!
	sitting behind the desk isn't Steven Crowder.
	Okay, so it's not Loudarth Crowder.
	Well...
	We're doing a different show.
	It's Really Loud with Gerald, I guess, because that's the only man sitting in front of the, uh...
	Goofy with Gerald.
	Not even a little.
	Mmm.
	Good morning.
	I had been scheduled to host the show today for about a week,
	and the topics that we were gonna discuss were...
	Yes.
	Guaranteed.
	expect in any Loudworth Crider show. Talk about some news, make some jokes, maybe
	poorly. Yes. But unfortunately that's no longer the case today. Great. Well
	before any video that was released we were gonna do this show this way.
	Which is interesting.
	Bad and boring.
	He was gonna do the show like this before the movie?
	Yeah, the whole plan was to do it... He was gonna make us snooze.
	But this is what he was planning on doing the entire time.
	I just want to say off the top that none of this had to happen.
	None of it.
	Didn't have to be this way at all.
	We didn't choose this.
	It was chosen for us.
	In fact, as I'll tell you in just a few minutes, we went to great lengths to give people the ability to do the right thing, to honor their agreements, and to do what they said they were going to do.
	Unfortunately, they chose a different path.
	Do the right thing.
	From the mouth of Gerald, of course.
	Of course.
	On the show, Louder with Crowder, the show that usually does the right thing.
	Listen, when I look up the word integrity on Google, it just forwards me to louderwithcrowder.net.
	Well, that's a different website altogether.
	Oh.
	That's ours.
	Oh.
	We'll get, we'll get to what the hell Gerald's talking about right now, actually.
	We're going to rewind two days to a statement.
	It was posted on the site formerly known as Twitter.
	It starts this way.
	Enough is enough.
	This can't go on any longer, and as the famous saying goes, sunlight is the best disinfectant.
	So, here we go.
	I'm currently being legally abused and intimidated into silence by a former employer.
	Who is currently being legally abused and intimidated?
	That would be Jared Militello, known as Jared Monroe, also known as Not Gay Jared.
	Okay.
	And this is a character that we briefly talked about during the South by South mess episode.
	Oh, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah.
	I'm glad you're telling me who this was, because for like a minute there, I thought it was Elliot Rogers talking to Elliot Rogers.
	I was a little confused there.
	The Supreme Gentleman, of course, who birthed the incel movement.
	Just a couple of guys doing manifesto vlogs on each other.
	That's not a bad observation.
	So who is Jared?
	Jared was Steven's number two from the beginning, it's a ladder with Crowder, from 2016 to late 2018, even longer, going back to Steven's Michigan radio days.
	He was known for his hot takes on homosexuality and feminism.
	Which brings me to this point, a reminder.
	Jared's not a good guy.
	You talking about our Jared or this Jared?
	No, Jared's great.
	Jared, I really apologize to you because for the longest time there's been a Gerald, and now there's a Jared, and you're a Jared.
	I'm all tied up with these guys now.
	You sure about that Subway guy?
	No!
	And also the Subway guy is the fourth in the Texas Tornado that we're throwing down on later.
	Shit, that sucks.
	I am gonna win.
	By the way, you can throw your money on me.
	Our Jared is the best Jared.
	FightKings.com, put the money- We have the best Jared, hands down.
	My sympathy for Jared Monroe really only extends as much as we both have a mutual interest in stopping Steven.
	I can have some empathy for the treatment that he is experiencing and what he went through during his time.
	However, you know, for a long time he worked alongside Steven and he rolled in the same hateful shit.
	Totally, yeah.
	There's the classic leopards ate my face kind of thing in some context.
	I don't know what that means.
	joke on Reddit about the leopards ate my face party. I didn't think the leopards would eat my face.
	Sure.
	Yeah.
	Okay.
	Regardless, we can have empathy and we can discuss the things that happened to him that were absolutely
	inappropriate.
	And then there's also things that happened to him that are kind of like,
	you hang out with a bully, you get to collateral damage sometimes.
	Sometimes, yes.
	Just want to say that up front, but where did this all begin for Jared? I guess at least recently.
	In late October of 2023, to my surprise, I was served these papers.
	A cease and desist from my former employer.
	I'm just going to follow you real quick.
	It threatened severe legal action in the form of a lawsuit and demanded I cease communications with my friends.
	Did they just broadly say, hey, don't talk to...
	No, they were very clear and I think we'll get into it in a little bit, but...
	Like most cease and desist, it also demanded that I swiftly provide them written certificate of my compliance.
	I did not.
	In the same delivery, I was also served.
	These papers.
	A Rule 202 petition from my former employer.
	You can look that up on the internet.
	I know I had to.
	And I did as well.
	I don't have the other document that he's talking about, asking for the Certificate of Compliance, but a Rule 202 petition.
	This is a Texas-specific legal procedure.
	It pertains to depositions before suit or to investigate claims.
	I didn't know that you could really do this, but The purpose is to obtain permission from the court to take depositions, which are recorded statements given under oath, before a lawsuit has been filed or to investigate potential claims commonly used when a person or entity wants to gather information or evidence to, you know, determine if they have grounds for a lawsuit.
	Which seems kind of sketchy to me.
	That you could do that before there's a lawsuit?
	A lot of people call that a phishing expedition.
	It's what, I guess, they're trying to do to Joe Biden.
	It's like an impeachment inquiry?
	Yeah, exactly.
	That's interesting that they, you know, gave Jared one of those.
	I don't know much about it, but okay.
	Well, he's gonna talk a little bit more.
	These documents were filed with the county court of my former place of employment, demanding that I be subject to an oral deposition under oath For an unlimited amount of time where they were free to interrogate me on pretty much any private matter that they chose.
	Also in this petition for discovery, they demanded that I turn over documents of all communications with more than a dozen of my friends and unlimited amounts of unnamed persons in any form and over an unlimited period of time.
	And I guess we could probably- I did not.
	Interrupt him.
	Okay.
	And talk about who they were asking about his correspondence with.
	Okay.
	In this filing there are 15, they're not all people, but like you said they're entities as well, but number one is Dave Landau, which- Yeah, ahoy guy!
	That's the ahoy guy.
	Ahoy guy, hell yeah I'm right!
	Yep, sat third chair for 129 episodes between 2020 and 2022.
	He ended up stealing Steven's overlay guy, quarter black Garrett, who is also listed here, Garrett Morrison.
	I thought you were going to say the, uh, like the person who does like the... No, that's, that's actually, if you can believe it, a sound effect.
	Yeah, and that's not someone's mouth.
	They don't have like a guy from Airplane, that's the movie, you know talking about Michael Winslow, I think.
	Could we get a Michael Winslow original?
	Can we talk about Ernie Hudson looking so good at 78?
	Communications also with Hilary Crowder, of course with Stephen's soon-to-be ex-wife.
	Lock her up, dude.
	I don't know who this other person is, Brittany White-Turner?
	No idea.
	But I could look into it.
	I'm not gonna.
	Number four is Sven Tiedemann.
	We'll talk about him in a little bit, but he worked at Louder than... Louder With Crowder.
	I can never get that right.
	All right.
	Louder With Crowder.
	Who else do we have?
	Everett Wade, who is also known as Audio Wade.
	He worked there from 2019 to 2020.
	A lot of these people work under like pseudonyms, which is weird.
	Totally.
	I wonder why you would work under a pseudonym at like a place you have respect for.
	It's crazy.
	Courtney Herchoff was a former editor-at-large at the websites.
	Edward Harker was a sound guy.
	Aaron Luna, I couldn't find his role at the show, but he was part of episode one of Normal World, which is Dave Lando's new show at the Blaze.
	So I assume that he was related some way.
	Also listed is Jeremy Boring.
	Nice, good old Jeremy.
	Yeah, CEO of the Daily Wire.
	Makes the best chocolate.
	And I feel like Gerald is really conjuring up his best, you know, remember when Steve did the Stop Big Con thing and recorded Jeremy's conversation?
	Yes.
	I think technically, legally.
	And then Jeremy did his response to that.
	I feel like that's kind of what Gerald's doing here, but Gerald can't shake that fire brimstone preacher thing that he does.
	Sure.
	It scares me.
	It makes me uncomfortable.
	Maybe next week we can do his Easter?
	They're airing the Easter special tomorrow, technically.
	Oh, it's tomorrow?
	Yeah, good Friday.
	Yeah, it's gonna be wonderful.
	Also, all employees or representatives of the Daily Wire and current and former employees of Louder with Crowder are listed on this, as well as any other individual not currently known to whom Respondent has made disparaging comments about Louder with Crowder or Steven Crowder himself.
	How do they gather that?
	Does that mean we'd search every communication you've ever had?
	They would have to subpoena his phones, and any time that he talked poorly about Steven in a text message would somehow be part of this deposition before an even active lawsuit was... Is that really something that you could try and do?
	Pretty ambitious, but it seems like, legally, this document says that.
	I mean, there's plenty of legal documents that courts will say, yeah, no, fuck off.
	Exactly.
	That's the SLAPP, the Procedure 202.
	Well, I guess that would technically be part of that, wouldn't it?
	Hmm.
	I don't know.
	I'm gonna delete you questioning me, Jared.
	Thank you.
	I don't want to sound dumb.
	But what's the reason that Jared didn't comply with all this?
	Now, I did not for a few reasons.
	Number one, I have seen how this employer handles legal issues, and I knew that once I opened the door to legal abuse, it would never ever be shut.
	This is how they operate.
	In fact, I'm not the only one who's a current victim.
	My former employer is exploiting the legal system to abuse others right now, all in the darkness, fully knowing that the fear and risks it takes to speak up.
	This kind of harassment at the hands of the powerful isn't just designed to financially ruin somebody, it's designed to cripple their soul.
	New album I got coming out.
	Yeah, I'm not surprised to hear that Steven has active lawsuits against former employees, would be my guess.
	I mean, he's got the one against his wife now, which we'll get into later.
	Great.
	But also, I mean, he's been actively suing, what, Facebook?
	Always, always suing YouTube.
	Someone all the time.
	He very commonly uses these tactics to do exactly what Jared just said.
	I received the latest article of legal harassment on Friday, March 22nd, 2024.
	After a month now of litigation exhausting even the court with relentless amendments to their Rule 202 petition, my ex-employer was finally awarded their request for my oral deposition and any document of communication with my friends that they believe may provide any avenue to sue me or others.
	As it stands, they await my forced cooperation.
	I will not So it sounds like the court approved Stevens, was it 202, on the 22nd, which is six days ago, after what Jared is saying were many amendments.
	And just keep that in mind as we go along.
	I signed this separation agreement, an NDA, containing a strict and very broad non-disparagement clause many years ago.
	I voluntarily left my job after deciding I can no longer put myself or my growing family Through the toxic and abusive work environment I had endured for years, this place was and is to this day a workplace rife with sexual misconduct, degeneracy, and aggression.
	The things I saw, the things done to me, and the things I witnessed my employer Due to others were disgusting, shocking, and utterly indefensible.
	Okay.
	You're just not surprised that... I mean, that is Steven, right?
	Yeah.
	He's a gross guy.
	He does awful things on his show.
	Yeah, he's terrible.
	Yeah.
	This all took a serious toll on my personal health.
	To the point near the end of my tenure, the work environment had become so toxic that I had to be admitted into a heart hospital.
	And after many tests, I was ultimately put on anti-anxiety medication.
	This condition was something new to me.
	I had no history of it prior to my employment there and have never been treated for it since.
	That's an oddly broad claim.
	I mean, I get feeling anxious.
	I understand getting your head a little bit underwater.
	You don't know exactly what you sign up for when you start working with him.
	Totally.
	2016, on the radio, messing around, talking about politics pretty lightly and broadly.
	Totally, yeah.
	And I also, I can empathize with like having your first panic attack.
	Oh my god.
	Right?
	Sure.
	Yeah.
	It sounds like, I mean, who knows what Stephen's hand was in giving him a panic attack.
	I mean... I wouldn't be surprised.
	We've all had stressful jobs like that, yeah.
	It's like on one side you have this guy just absolutely berating you, I'm sure, telling you your work is not good enough, and like, you know, I hold your paycheck, I am the keys to your future.
	Just, you know, everything, you know, I make you, I can crush you.
	And then on the other side, you have his cock on your shoulder.
	Yeah, that's enough to give you a panic attack.
	Allegedly.
	Now, when I decided to resign, my wife was pregnant with our firstborn child.
	It was a terrifying position to be put in, but I absolutely knew that I could not be the husband or dad I was called to be for them in my current state.
	Something had to change, and if I couldn't change my work environment, then it was time for me to remove myself from it.
	And then he kind of confirmed that January 20th of 2023, he posted on the site formerly known as Twitter, for what it's worth, it should be noted that I resigned from Louder with Crowder via written two week notice in July of 2018.
	I was not fired or dismissed from my role, nor was I forced out of the company in any way.
	My departure was 100% my decision.
	And this kind of heated up during the whole Daily Wire situation that they're having.
	Sure.
	He goes on to say, why I decided to leave so abruptly is a different story, but it was my personal decision.
	A little bit different than what he said initially, which was just, I'm having a kid.
	So far what it sounds like is, I hated it, my health was suffering, so I quit.
	I mean, you would think that if that was the situation that someone would just kind of be like, okay, well, that's your choice and I'll see you later, right?
	I mean, yeah, you'd think so.
	But you know, what does dancing with the devil get ya?
	Burned.
	What I not anticipated.
	is how much it would cost me to quit.
	This is where my first experience with legal abuse began.
	Starting from the day I delivered my notice of resignation, I was put on the phone with company lawyers
	and the good cop, bad cop coercion campaign to get my signature on an NDA was well underway.
	Real quick, when they're saying NDA, do they mean non-disclosure or non-disparagement?
	Because I feel like they're saying NDA.
	There is a non-disparagement clause within that.
	Within the NDA?
	Yes.
	That seems like it wouldn't belong in the NDA.
	That seemed to be a bit of a trick.
	My former employer and his attorney argued I could not work in media anywhere in the world.
	And most certainly not in the United States for two years.
	This is not because I involuntarily signed some sort of non-compete in my original employment agreement.
	It was because they decided a non-solicitation clause that was in said original agreement would retroactively If this was someone who was your friend who was deciding to move on, if you or Jared suddenly were like, I'm not happy at the show, even if we had a non-compete, non-disclosure, I don't know, like I was in a business situation where I had a company
	That I shared with two other people, and we ended up splitting that up, and even though we had a non-compete, I was still able to work in that field.
	I guess because my business partners weren't bitter pricks, and they cared about me, right?
	Yeah, well that, but also I think that at the end of the day, if somebody doesn't want to be on your team, like forcing them to stick around on your team is just gonna do bad things for everybody.
	If they still want to leave, I don't know, two years is maybe a reasonable amount of time to say you look for a non-compete within the same industry?
	I don't think so.
	I think non-competes are bogus.
	I don't love it.
	I'm not a big fan.
	Yeah.
	But don't you guys ever think about leaving this show.
	Okay.
	I'm gonna start louder.
	If you break White Walsh into your own thing, I'm gonna fucking send all of the warriors.
	Nice, dude.
	Send them all.
	Everyone.
	NDA.
	Both Ds.
	Yeah.
	Like up until 2016 or so, did you guys ever see like the Jimmy John's non-compete?
	Wait, like for employees of Jimmy John's?
	Yeah.
	They couldn't work at Subway or Jersey Mike's?
	Yeah, they couldn't go do sandwiches anywhere else.
	They can't go to Schlotzky's or Blimpy?
	No, and they couldn't be at Potbelly, they couldn't go to Capriotti's if they wanted to.
	Wait, what about Witch Witch?
	Oh my god, I love a Witch Witch, but no, not even an Ike's either.
	How about locally a Thundercloud Subs, Jared?
	I spent a little bit too much time in Austin.
	Maybe they would let you do Thundercloud.
	Well, that's fucked.
	That's straight-up fucked.
	I'm sorry.
	Also, aren't a lot of non-competes non-enforceable anyway?
	I feel like a lot of them have been ruled as not enforceable.
	I have heard that.
	I have never had an opportunity to test that.
	They told me my Twitter account, another potential lifeline to future work, which I had owned and been the sole manager of since 2009, was to be turned over to them on the argument that it was somehow their intellectual property now.
	Why didn't he just do hashtag clean slate?
	That would have been interesting and he really should have done that because I went back to 2009 to confirm his Twitter account was managed by him.
	And I found some great tweets.
	This is from November 17th, 2009.
	Jamming to the new John Mayer album while next to my girl.
	Awesome, smiley face emoji.
	Are you sure you didn't say watching my girl?
	No, he didn't.
	But he did say, a month later, currently melting over the guitar solo in Eric Clapton's old love cover by Mayer.
	It's awesome.
	I love the one where he like drops his son out of the window.
	That's not fun for anyone.
	And then a couple days later, currently watching Family Guy in the front room of my girlfriend apartment.
	Girlfriend's asleep, only her mom's here.
	Hilariously awkward, haha.
	Why is it awkward, dude?
	Why don't you just say, hey Miss Girlfriend's mom, thanks for being here.
	Hey Jed, you wanna go get a quahog?
	What the deuce?
	Everyone knows Room for Squares is a far superior album.
	I see where Stephen's coming from the perspective of having, I guess, created the not gay Jared character, but let it go.
	It's a shitty character.
	You want to keep his Twitter account?
	What are you gonna do with that?
	It's just so he could post these and roast him.
	I guess he wants to limit his reach if he was to potentially go out and do something on his own.
	Let me say this, Steven's show is not original.
	No.
	It's not like... It's honestly a parody on its own.
	Yeah.
	A parody of late night shows.
	Like if you're worried about someone stealing your idea of the show... Get over it.
	Yeah.
	Move on.
	It's not a new idea, man.
	And you do parody covers all the time.
	And speaking of stealing...
	Presumably to keep me from working even further, my former employer even tried to claim my personal production equipment, gear I had owned for years prior to working there as company property.
	After producing every receipt to validate my ownership, a vicious lie that I stole from the company was born and disseminated by my employer.
	By the way, breaking their side of this bogus mutual non-disparagement agreement.
	I have those receipts as well.
	I hadn't heard that rumor, but... I hadn't heard no rumors about that either.
	Even if it's just within the industry, that's a fucked up thing to say.
	If someone ever starts spreading rumors about me, usually what I like to do is just publicly exclaim them, even if I'm the only one who knows that they're trying to share it.
	You know what I mean?
	Do you really do that?
	No, of course not.
	All I simply wanted to do was peacefully leave.
	It was clear by my employer, though, that this was not only unacceptable, but that I needed to be punished for doing so.
	Being bullied on each of these terms and many more, fighting for my basic freedoms to leave and provide for my family immediately sent me into legal debt.
	I did not want to sign anything, mind you.
	But the negotiations with my former employer left no question that without a signed NDEA, my guaranteed silence, I would undoubtedly be harassed well into the future.
	No matter if there are future claims against me for where I worked or What I did or what I said were legitimate or not.
	It didn't matter.
	It would cost me thousands and thousands to fight back and they knew that.
	I had to make a deal with nothing but a small savings account and my last paycheck.
	I had to accept the deal I could afford.
	I don't understand.
	What do you mean?
	Uh, I can break this down for you, Dennis.
	This is a lot like Genesis 25, the story of Esau and Jacob.
	It's one such story.
	Okay.
	And, uh, it's from their time in the womb.
	These two competed in a power struggle.
	Okay.
	From stealing his birthright to deceiving his father into giving him the blessing.
	Okay.
	Jacob continuously outwitted his older brother, Esau.
	Okay.
	So which one's Stephen?
	And when did they sign the non-disclosure agreement?
	In the womb.
	I thought that was clear.
	Which one had the savings account?
	Jacob.
	Yeah.
	Okay.
	That makes more sense.
	The younger brother, he was outwitting... Weren't they twins?
	Esau?
	Well... Well, there has to be one that was born earlier.
	I'm a twin.
	Well, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no.
	A little older.
	Conceived earlier.
	Interesting.
	So he said that he said he didn't want to sign this.
	Yeah.
	And that it was bogus.
	Okay.
	And he signed it anyway, but why?
	Yeah.
	Which brings me to what you might be asking next.
	What was the reason I did sign this?
	And again, as a man with his first child on the way, the small victory I got from it.
	The primary reason I signed the N-Day was for a small carve out in the non-compete.
	That provision, however, was a lie.
	And upon starting my new job at the new said company, I was given another one of these, a cease and desist, and was promptly, unlawfully terminated from that position.
	And while he doesn't really go into that, we're going to talk about that.
	Do we know where he went?
	A little bit, yes.
	I mean, it's not from his mouth, so I wouldn't feel comfortable saying for sure, but I have a good idea of what happened.
	So it sounds like he went somewhere else.
	He basically said, hey, I'll sign this if you let me go here.
	He went there, they sent him a cease and desist, and then another company's like, yeah, we're not going to deal with this bullshit.
	Yeah, because you're a liability.
	I added thousands more to my legal debt trying to fight back.
	My wife was very pregnant by this time and without a financial safety net for groceries and a baby crib, much less a legal fund to file a counter suit, I simply had to let it go.
	Trusting God had a plan.
	Which is super sad that he, I mean, I don't know what amount of savings he had working at one of the largest conservative streaming YouTube shows.
	I mean, do you think he pays well?
	Well, and we'll talk more about how often he pays as well, and how consistently he pays, but it's kind of interesting.
	I still feel bad for him.
	That's a terrible position to be in.
	Of course.
	I can't imagine.
	While my supposed non-compete expired after two years, Unfortunately, the most egregious part of my NDA, the part that silences my free speech, has no expiration.
	While NDAs are classically used to protect trade secrets, unfortunately in the entertainment industry, They are too often used to protect disgusting, unlawful activity and many forms of abuse.
	We see examples of this all the time.
	I don't believe that NDAs protect unlawful things.
	Isn't that like- Of course not.
	That's like the main thing- You can't like, um, like, you know- Kill someone at work.
	Or like yeah, I mean you can like stab somebody and then give them a contract and say don't tell anyone I stabbed you or else I'll sue you.
	If you go on freaking Tim Pool's show and start blabbing your mouth about this, it's over for you.
	It's over.
	Remember Dave did go on Michael Malice's show and say quite a bit about the relationship that he had with Steven during his time as third chair.
	I don't know if you guys listen to that.
	I remember seeing that.
	Too much to talk about right now.
	We got a lot to cover.
	I will not live with the burden of this unconstitutional NDA over my head for the rest of my life, especially when information I have can be used to aid other victims escape their own abusive situations, which is the context for which this former employer feels they caught me breaking my agreement.
	Here's where I pick bones with Jared a little bit.
	Now that you're in this situation, you care about victims?
	Totally.
	Yeah, that's just classic.
	Are you fucking kidding me, man?
	I'm with you.
	However, maybe say this in a mirror and really think about it.
	Yeah, as it goes commonly on the right is that once it affects you, you care deeply about it.
	Until it doesn't affect you anymore, then you don't care so much about it.
	Hey gay people, now I have a gay daughter?
	Why is Jared speaking out now and what does he want?
	I'm asking for donations.
	For two reasons.
	Number one, Easter's coming up.
	Obviously to help with the financial burden, I've already accrued with this legal matter right here.
	That's taken care of.
	That matter is priority number one as I'm going further and further into debt with each passing day.
	Number two, have you seen those Trump sneakers?
	The second reason I'm asking for financial assistance is to proactively address my unconstitutional Anti-free speech NDA, which is the basis for all of their claims against me.
	The simplest resolution here would be for my ex-employer to release me from the NDA.
	Give me and my fellow ex-employees the same free speech they publicly champion for every other American.
	But I can almost guarantee you that will not happen.
	I have already witnessed them spend unfathomable amounts of money in other cases to protect their double life and secrets.
	Well, I wouldn't say that if you're asking them to release you from the NDA.
	Don't end with that part.
	Release it so I can share your dirty secrets.
	All these bad things.
	Just stick with I'm looking to work other places and freely use my skills.
	Yes.
	But he is planning on doing that.
	He is launching a podcast.
	Says coming soon.
	If I was him, I would.
	planned it a little bit better.
	Sure.
	But he did utilize one of those online donation websites.
	Okay.
	And he received some kind of interesting donations.
	Of course, $475 from Dave Lando.
	Okay, yeah, of course.
	Pretty interesting.
	Yeah.
	Beating Dave by $25, Benjamin Shapiro and The Quartering, an online right-wing commentator.
	Dork.
	Called a dork-ass loser.
	Also questioned this and said, Ben never goes by Benjamin.
	And then Ben Shapiro did reply and said, actually, I did donate.
	So.
	Oh, wow.
	Surprising, but maybe not too surprising.
	I mean, Add fuel to the fire that you're using to cook your marshmallows.
	I feel like this bridge has fully been burned at this point, right?
	Like, after the whole Daily Wire call-out situation, even though I think at that point Ben was like, I respect Steven, I don't like what he's doing, but I think he's good at what he does.
	It's done.
	It's done.
	Yeah, it's done.
	And for any of you who can't help, big or small, public or anonymous, I, my wife, my children, thank you from the bottoms of our hearts.
	I do just want to say this.
	If you too are or have been a victim of such abuse, for whatever it's worth, know that I see you and I hear you, and I encourage you to be courageous.
	Now I do.
	Yeah, today.
	No more darkness.
	Victims of the cruel and powerful deserve a voice.
	Truth is the sword that slays the monsters, so let there be truth.
	It's a little disingenuous when it's like, hey listen, after I stopped calling you a loser and started listening, I hear you.
	Yeah.
	Other people are supporting Not Gay Jared, though.
	Okay.
	There's conservative documentarian Lauren Southern is posting her support on Twitter.
	Candace Owens, of course.
	Free Asian, I hear.
	Free Asian?
	Free Asian?
	Doing wheelies in the backyard now.
	Ashley St.
	Clair was the person who posted the video of all the migrants in Phoenix.
	That's right.
	She also is giving NotGayJared the big old thumbs up hug support.
	Great.
	She's also the author of one of the Brave books.
	Remember we talked about that company that made all those children's books?
	Oh yeah, yeah, yeah.
	She authored Elephants Are Not Birds.
	Wow, okay.
	And then, I can't really tell if this is support or not, but Owen Benjamin said, NDA?
	More like ND Gay.
	Wow.
	So that's uh, that's kind of something.
	Okay, thanks Owen.
	Yeah, so that was kind of a heavy, little sad, kind of boring chunk.
	He seemed really nervous, understandably, right?
	Yeah, he's been kind of out of the spotlight.
	Speaking truth to power.
	Yeah.
	I empathize with him from having a bad employer in the past.
	Yeah, we've all been there.
	Maybe not as bad.
	Of course not as bad.
	But also, I know that he played a big role in making him that way.
	Yeah, he created.
	He was there at the beginning.
	He was a talent.
	He was a producer.
	He ran the computers.
	Probably social media.
	He was a major part of getting Steven to the place he is now.
	Yeah, that's not to condone bad behavior from Steven, it's just to say, um, if you make the robot, you can't be surprised when it turns on you, kind of a thing.
	Frankenstein's monster.
	Exactly.
	Exactly.
	Because that was boring, heavy, and sad, I thought it would be fun to maybe jump back to- Speaking of boring, have you guys heard of Boring Chocolates?
	Are you doing a Jeremy Boring Chocolate pitch right now?
	Yeah.
	We're sponsored by Boring.
	We're not sponsored.
	I'm in the makers of right-wing beer.
	Jeremy Boring also has Jeremy's Razors.
	Yes, of course.
	They're for men to shave their face and ladies to shave their legs, and that's it!
	That's right.
	I thought it might be fun to jump back to February 11th, 2016.
	Best day.
	Was it?
	Why?
	Yeah, it was the best I did.
	I don't know.
	It wasn't a great day for, um, I'm guessing, for Jared, because we're jumping to a time where Steven likely wrote a passive-aggressive parody to the tune of One More Day from Les Mis.
	This is really early parody work by Steven, and he forced Jared to sing about being incompetent, and even worse, Being gay.
	Oh no.
	And also listen closely because there's some familiar guest vocals in there too.
	Okay.
	Miley Yiannopoulos, Ben Shapiro, and even Superman.
	Milo.
	I forgot about Milo.
	Dean Cain.
	Dean Cain.
	Yeah.
	I definitely know Dean Cain's voice.
	Another day, another fiery.
	This never-ending road to fiery.
	This man who pays me for my time will surely can my ass for this crime.
	Of course you had to be let go.
	That's Steven.
	How could I not fire your sorry gay ass?
	One day more.
	Tomorrow you'll f*** up again.
	And yet you'll ask me for a bonus.
	How do you guys feel about that so far?
	It's terrible.
	I'm really feeling it, yeah.
	So Dennis, not so sure.
	Let's keep going and see if it changes your mind.
	Okay, I'm ready for that.
	One more chance and I'll do better.
	All you do is screw things up.
	One more chance to prove I'm able.
	Do you take me for a fool?
	But I still have your credit card.
	Give it back or face my boot.
	Is this because you think I'm gay?
	Yes, you're gay!
	Man, I'd like some- Man, I'd like some peanut butter, and I'd really like some cheese.
	So, I should explain.
	That is Stephen's dog singing just kind of stuff he likes.
	Joe Louis?
	I think this might have been the dog before that.
	I can't recall.
	Okay.
	However, let's skip all that because it doesn't really... I hate it.
	It's not good.
	It's really, like, poorly executed.
	I'm really confused why it's even happening.
	I mean, this is when you might recognize some things.
	Okay.
	Some voices.
	Watch him crash and burn.
	Send him off alone.
	Never know how much you'll need me till I'm gone.
	Here's a little sign.
	Say hi to your mom.
	You know that's out of line because she's a well-known slut.
	Get out, you queer.
	I'm firing you.
	I'm not gay.
	That's about all we needed back there.
	When does Dean Cain show up?
	It doesn't matter who's who.
	It all sounds like shit.
	They were out of time and coming from multiple modes of communication.
	Skype, phone, etc.
	And why was there like a weird like Midwest emo singer in there?
	I don't know that one was that was probably Dean King Could have been Dean Cain.
	Cause isn't he from Kansas or something like that?
	I don't recall where Dean's from.
	He's from Krypton.
	But where did he crash land at?
	Kansas.
	That makes sense.
	So speaking of firing, I need to address a rumor.
	I mentioned the name Sven earlier.
	This happened around the same time that Jared left.
	So did this guy.
	And how are you at Sven Computer?
	I'm good peep peep.
	I'm ready with the overlays and yeah, you can send me, you can send me.
	I just realized I plugged you and then you plugged you and then that means I have to fire you.
	That means there can be no Sven Computer.
	So, interestingly enough, this was, I think, if not the last, one of the last episodes that Sven, who, like you said, does the overlays.
	That's like the whoosh whoosh stuff.
	Stuff that Tim the Toolman does now.
	Nice.
	So, Sven Tiedemann, Sven Computer, he left around the same time as Jared, and rumors were Steven was months behind paying a majority of his employees.
	Cool.
	I love that.
	That's a good vibe.
	This clip was July 20th, 2018.
	In this clip, Sven Computer held up a sign, S-C-I-A-L, and D-P-H-E, which diligent viewers believe that that means Steven Crowder is a liar and doesn't pay his employees.
	That's a big allegation.
	Was this live?
	You can see from the look on everyone's face as he held this up, maybe this was something that was on an internal
	Slack channel.
	Was this live?
	This was live.
	Jared's very frustrated.
	Steven is upset, visibly.
	And then Sven Computer's gone.
	So he made that fire comment and then he got... that was the last show?
	Yes.
	Okay.
	That's right.
	After Sven Computer held up that sign that said, uh, maybe Steven Crowder is a liar and doesn't pay his employees.
	Wow.
	Okay.
	Pretty interesting.
	Yeah.
	And then January 23rd, 2023 on an episode of TimCast IRL, which is his like Joe Rogan knockoff thing that he does more than his normal TimCast thing where he would like just read news like he does and have an opinion with his beanie.
	This was around the same time that Steven was touring and justifying his shit move against the Daily Wire after they, whoa, what is this?
	Wanted to pay him for his show?
	Yeah, it's crazy.
	Co-host of TimCast and conspiracy theorist Luke Rudada- Rudkowski?
	Rudkowski.
	Rud- Rudkowski.
	Rudkowski.
	I hope that's right.
	Luke Rydkowski, probably saying that wrong, brought up some questions that the audience was asking.
	I just wanted to ask two quick questions for you guys.
	One, would you guys be open to doing competitions or contests for new talent?
	Remember, this was when Steven said that he was going to get smaller YouTubers to be part of the Mug Club network.
	Yeah, like Alex Jones.
	That's where it ended up, right?
	The audience also wanted to know this.
	And a lot of people are asking about Not Gay Jared in the comment section.
	Can you guys clear up what's happening in that situation?
	Some people are saying that there's an NDA.
	Yeah, well, that's the thing I think Candace brought up, right?
	Again, there's a difference between roping in third parties versus single-party consent.
	I think he tweeted out what happened, where he left, right?
	Not Gay Jared.
	He tweeted out that he left.
	It was his own decision.
	And that's all he has to say about that.
	Yeah, there's an answer to what they're asking, but okay.
	He does go on to talk a little bit more about, I don't know, the broad idea of NDAs and how he interprets it.
	Steven's an ideas guy.
	We did a whole send-off with him in a video montage.
	You know, this works with like conspiracies and sometimes, look, there's also a middle ground where there's, for example, like, what is the email, by the way, if people are talking about shows?
	I think it's Creators at Lottery.
	Yeah, Creators at Lottery.
	So that's actually not a bad idea, a contest.
	But the reason I didn't want to do it is because I didn't want a thing that's like, hey, this is why we're doing this right now.
	But we do have a place where people can reach out.
	The challenge is there's completely controlling contracts that own your name, image, likeness, and your platforms that you already built in perpetuity.
	That's an extreme example.
	That's big con.
	That's an extreme example.
	That is an extreme example.
	Creators at LetterWorthCreator.com.
	Just write that down for later.
	Nice, nice.
	Of course, I gotta shoot my shot.
	Yeah, we gotta be on there.
	Interesting that it's extreme in this case, but he's holding his, you know, former friend and co-host of his show hostage.
	Yeah, well, I mean... In perpetuity.
	You gotta stop.
	He was Big Con back then.
	Yeah, I guess.
	He abandoned Big Con, and now the show is on.
	Put that on a shirt.
	Put that on a tee, baby.
	People are still asking, is there an NDA?
	That's what people are asking.
	These are NDAs to everyone just like here, right?
	To sign a waiver when I come into our studio.
	I mean, standard business practice.
	Yeah, you can't come in and tell people where the studio is, too.
	I mean, you guys have had that.
	Yeah, of course.
	If only for location, it would be worth it.
	Also because he walks around with pants half the time.
	We have NDAs.
	Interesting.
	Yeah.
	Minimize the concept of NDAs and how you use them.
	Offhandedly mention that you have an inappropriate workplace environment.
	That's fine.
	Of course.
	You don't want word getting out about hanging brain.
	It got out.
	I mean, it's not surprising.
	It's clear evidence that, you know, Stephen's a hypocrite.
	Well, I mean, I think that Stephen is definitely a hypocrite, but yeah.
	And then on the Stay Off My Lawn podcast.
	Familiar with this?
	Uh, no.
	Hosted by, um, Proud Boys founder Gavin McGinnis.
	Oh, yes, yes, yes.
	Oh, cool.
	Gavin, the, uh, conservative Colonel Sanders.
	Of course, that's the one.
	And he was breaking down on an episode of his show the current state of conservative media.
	It was, I think, something like 10, 11 months ago.
	He also got into those NDA rumors.
	OK, yeah.
	Not Gay Jared had a similar story than Dave, but he never made it public.
	So he just sat there and complained.
	I heard a rumor that Not Gay Jared went to work at The Blaze.
	Every Blaze person gets a little Blaze logo.
	Went to work for The Blaze during the comedy stuff and Crowder said, no.
	And if you do hire him, I won't do my show anymore.
	So, you know, that was a big part of their income.
	So they went, oh, OK.
	That's the rumor.
	Yet he still left The Blaze.
	Yeah, that music back there.
	Well, that was some weird YouTuber who added conspiracy music over top of it.
	I love it.
	Gotta say it's cool.
	If you guys want a special conspiracy music added edition, check out louderwithcrowder.net.
	That's pretty interesting.
	I mean, Dave has his show on the Blaze now, and Steven left the Blaze, or was forced to quit.
	That's all kind of up in the air as well.
	But there's obviously some drama around this, and I can't imagine how Jared would feel
	having had an opportunity, probably in production, at the Blaze, not even like an on-screen thing.
	And he was forced to leave that.
	And then soon after, Steven leaves The Blaze entirely.
	And even further beyond that, Dave Landau and Quarterblack Garrett both end up getting a show on The Blaze called Normal World.
	I wonder if they have shows on The Blaze, why would Nakia Jarrett be under different terms?
	I mean, I'm sure that Dave refused to sign the NDA upon leaving.
	Or he had a different deal.
	Maybe better lawyers.
	I'd be interested in hearing more about that.
	And this all brings us back to the March 27th episode, which they titled, Here's What You Don't Know.
	It's what we started the episode with.
	Jumping back in.
	For the last year and a half, everything you've seen in the public eye has been part of a well-orchestrated plan.
	What is that plan?
	To assimilate damaging PR assets and wage a negative publicity campaign against Steven.
	Why would anyone do that?
	Steven's a good guy.
	He's a nice guy.
	Wait, wait, wait.
	I mean, even if he did awful things, he shouldn't have them, you know, brought to the surface.
	What if he, like, did that to you?
	I feel like he does that to people constantly, all the time.
	Publicly using his platform to, I don't know, expose people?
	Yeah, isn't he just a PR guy?
	I mean, they will say that they don't like doing any of this, but... They're like, he gets it.
	Seems like they do it... So they're currently doing PR.
	Yes.
	I want to make sure I understand.
	They're doing a PR piece in response to the bad PR.
	Well, their hands have been forced.
	Is this like a sinking ship raises all...
	Sinking ships?
	Well, he is Captain Morgan.
	Ahoy!
	Well, different guy.
	Ding ding!
	I'll show you the quotes.
	I'll show you the text messages.
	I'll show you everything.
	All of the stuff that we did not talk about because we were giving people the opportunity to do the right thing.
	Taking the hits.
	Taking the hit pieces.
	Dealing with all of it.
	to give people the opportunity to do the right thing they chose not to.
	What's the right thing?
	Talk the same bad things about Steven.
	Okay, he's not saying the things.
	Forcing them to be creative with, I don't know, developing what context means in a way that makes him seem normal, even though there's these massive, well, they're hit pieces, we'll get to it.
	All hit pieces.
	I wonder why Jared decided to release his video yesterday.
	Just for some backstory, there had been no communication between our attorneys for a couple of weeks.
	That's so long.
	So there was no impetus for it.
	The document compelling him to give a deposition had already expired on March 15th.
	So when he released his video yesterday, He asked you to contribute money for a lawsuit that did not exist.
	Unless he's had a lawsuit that he would like to file, which he indicated maybe that was the case.
	We had not sued Jared.
	We simply asked Jared to knock it off.
	So I don't have any evidence whether Gerald or Jared is being honest, truthful.
	He's going to post the receipts though, right?
	Well, he didn't.
	He said he would.
	They said there would be sources available at louder.
	He's at all the text messages, right?
	Well, not all of them, just the ones that are in the context, and we will talk about those as well.
	But remember, Jared—no, nowhere near those.
	They're texts that just say, uh, knock it off, in all caps, with, like, the clapping hands between each word.
	Yeah, knock it off.
	We're going back though.
	Jared said that the document that he was given, pardon me, after the amendments was approved on the 22nd.
	Gerald is saying that they hadn't talked to him for multiple weeks and that it had expired 10 days before that.
	Okay.
	I don't know who's telling the truth there.
	Yeah, I have no idea.
	But also a couple weeks is could be like letters are being written back and forth.
	Absolutely.
	Who knows?
	I mean, maybe.
	It's not like it's been years or even months.
	And there's multiple lawyers involved in all of this?
	Yeah.
	Four on each side?
	I don't know.
	But why now?
	Well, I guess why then, March 26th?
	March 26th was the day that he chose to release his video.
	I wonder if it had anything to do with Wednesday, March 27th being the fifth day of mediation.
	Fifth.
	Between Stephen and Hillary.
	Why release it the day before mediation?
	Mediation is a great opportunity for people to come together and resolve their differences peacefully.
	Yeah.
	This is the fifth day.
	You want to do some research on how many days it normally goes on during divorces?
	You can.
	It's not five.
	I did look up, and this made me feel silly, how many days of mediation divorces typically take.
	Okay.
	There isn't like a typical number of days of mediation.
	It could be a day.
	It's not five.
	It could be several.
	You would come to us this fifth day of mediation?
	Sure.
	Not gay Jared?
	And he's got his fucking Bane mask on.
	He's like, yeah.
	Steven, I come to you on the 26th day of March to tell you this.
	It's International Yams Day.
	Well, that's the thing.
	It's like it could literally be weeks.
	It could be any number of things, depending on the complexity, which it seemed like they're making.
	And get this.
	It seemed like they were making this very complicated.
	And I'll be honest.
	If you're discussing millions of dollars, I expect that to go longer.
	Yes, of course.
	And with, I mean, Steven is a celebrity.
	Yeah.
	You guys, you know, the Jared Monroe video.
	You know something about the color of that room?
	Something about the color of the couch?
	It's yellow.
	It's orange, isn't it?
	It is orange.
	It's all orange.
	You know what else is orange?
	Yams.
	Sweet potato.
	Hell yeah.
	International yams day.
	We'll talk about that.
	We'll get to that.
	I also love that Gerald described mediation as like a peaceful way for us to come together.
	I don't think he's ever approached it like that.
	No.
	Stephen was never like, thank you so much for the peaceful opportunity to discuss our finances.
	It's divorce.
	It's not pretty.
	It's okay.
	I mean, if you're on day five Like, how many days in between would have been appropriate for him to spin a conspiracy theory around?
	Yeah.
	It was three days away from the third day of mediation.
	What are we talking about, Jared?
	Gerald?
	Jared?
	Jared, are you there?
	Gerald.
	Oh, I'm here.
	I'm doing research on, you guessed it, sweet potatoes.
	Oh, right.
	What are we talking about, Gerald?
	On October 27, 2023, we filed our original Rule 202 petition that Jared mentioned.
	Rule 202 petition is basically saying, hey, we're serious, please knock it off and tell us how far this went.
	And what was the date on this?
	October.
	On October 30th, we sent a cease and desist.
	At that time, October 30th, 2023, all Jared had to do was respond in writing saying that he was going to knock off Didn't they also ask for documents?
	In this they did, yes.
	violating his agreement that he voluntarily entered into.
	He chose not to.
	Didn't they also ask for documents?
	In this they did, yes.
	But you just have to say, I'll knock it off.
	Yeah, I'll stop.
	Legally knocking it off.
	Yeah.
	I'll stop.
	But of course he could get away with this, right?
	Easy.
	Unfortunately.
	And I have the receipts as to why we sent this to him in the first place.
	Shit.
	After around six years of no communication in this way.
	December 14th, we had one amendment to our Rule 202 petition.
	Not quite the exhausting of the court as Jared made it seem.
	That we were trying to bully him with the law.
	March 15th, that 202 expired.
	March 26th, Jared releases his video.
	So I guess it was the 15th, not the 12th, but still, I mean, this is a he said, he said.
	I don't know how many amendments were.
	Cause I, it's probably public record.
	We could probably get a pacer, uh, search, but I, I just, I don't.
	I also can't understand it.
	And it really doesn't matter.
	Jared, like I said, was raising money for a lawsuit that didn't even exist until this morning.
	It now exists.
	Because Jared has shown that he will continue to violate his NDA to be a part of this scheme To assimilate damaging PR assets to put pressure on Steven in the divorce.
	Yeah, so I don't understand the legal... Disparaging PR.
	I don't understand the legal side of any of this.
	But here's what I will say is that generally, in divorces, people take sides.
	If you're a public figure, public shit's gonna come out.
	That's that.
	It's a coordinated PR campaign.
	And I also think that at the end of the day also, people should, there can be legal conversations around enforceability of agreements.
	Yes.
	And just because somebody, if I sign an agreement and said, hey Byron, I'm gonna shoot you, is that cool?
	And you said yes and you signed it.
	At the time.
	Doesn't mean I can do it.
	I guess that's true.
	And I'm not saying that that's what's happening here, I don't even know, but I would expect, if I was going through a divorce, I would expect my wife to contact people who had dirt on me just to discuss the dirt.
	I would expect that.
	I think I'm just surprised at how he can maintain this good guy status in his own mind.
	Steven?
	No, Gerald.
	But, I mean, Steven as well.
	But he's talking as if what Jared is doing is morally wrong.
	But the things that Stephen did are morally wrong.
	Not talking about it is further morally wrong.
	What's interesting is I've had conversations with people in the past about how, like, some people feel if there's a written contract that that defines the morality of the whole scenario.
	Okay.
	And it just doesn't do that.
	You know, a good example was somebody, I think in Montana, got fired because they signed an agreement with their church or with their Christian school that they would not get pregnant out of wedlock.
	Okay, a legal document?
	Yeah, and then they did, and they got fired, and someone was like, well, it's a contract.
	Contract says it.
	And it's like, is that allowed?
	Well, it reminds me of the extension of the statute of limitations of rape in that case that was against Trump.
	Sure.
	They're arguing that that was the immoral thing.
	Yeah, it's like, well, technically you shouldn't have even busted him, because even though he did it, you shouldn't have known about it.
	Yeah, and then the rules say that you can rape as long as you get away with it for a long enough period of time.
	Alexis out of town for 10 years.
	Stop it.
	Don't do that.
	I just think it's, I mean, like you said, this is some Bane bullshit.
	I don't know how he can, with a straight face, act like he's in the right in defending Steven.
	Yeah.
	He's not done.
	Not done.
	And neither is Jared.
	He's actively flirted with violations in the past, and now he's involving himself in a private divorce for which he was recruited to leverage the company As part of this long-standing plan.
	And I'm going to say it over and over again to make sure you guys understand.
	We've been living with this for the last year and a half.
	The plan is to assimilate damaging PR assets and wage a negative publicity campaign against Steven.
	Per Hillary's father.
	All right, so we do have this text from Hillary's father, which was part of a... Old Man Hillary?
	The receipts.
	Old Man Hillary?
	Well, this is, uh, well, actually, yeah, I think Gerald tells us.
	I hate being in this position, guys.
	After this.
	It gives me no pleasure to go down this road.
	You sure?
	I am being forced to go down this road by their actions.
	To defend this company, to defend the over 30 employees that work for this company.
	I am not a guy that picks a fight.
	But if you tell me, by your actions, by ignoring easy off-ramps, easy opportunities to do the right thing, that you are not going to stop coming after me and coming after this company and coming after the employees that work here, And that put blood, sweat, and tears into this business.
	If you tell me my choice is to fight you...
	Or let them be taken out, I am absolutely going to step up and fight for them.
	Righteous warrior.
	Every time.
	Every time.
	I really like when he said that Jared was flirting with violations.
	Like he was gonna be like, hey man, I really wanted to tell somebody how mean you were to me, but I didn't.
	Like what does that mean?
	Flirting with violations.
	I don't, but I'm sure we're rolling towards what Papa Hillary said.
	Yeah, what did he say?
	All of this information is publicly available.
	Should mention that.
	Court documents.
	Not.
	Not opinion.
	Not saying I have receipts.
	Drop the full docs.
	And not providing them.
	I'm providing them for you right now.
	By the way, this is the court filing.
	For Jared.
	We'll be releasing that so everybody can have access to it.
	He didn't release it.
	I found it somewhere else.
	Okay.
	Actually, it was just Pearly Things had it for some reason.
	Nice.
	Yeah.
	Yeah, I guess female Andrew Tate.
	Never heard of that.
	Yeah, she sucks.
	She's pretty bad.
	Hey, can I tell you something about Andrew Tate?
	Well, Hillary got blocked by entertainers.
	I was just about to say, yeah.
	Did you see that?
	Yeah, it was weird.
	All three of us connecting on this great information here.
	We landed, guys.
	We did it.
	Yeah, we sure did.
	Here is Hillary's father in a group text thread.
	To the family.
	Huge deal, folks.
	And it's a message that was liked by Hillary.
	Liked by her.
	The type of team I want.
	They understand right-wing media.
	They are familiar with who Stephen is and that world and the things that would destabilize him.
	Remember that word, destabilize.
	Fully understand and agree that Hillary's goals and expectations for the outcome of this divorce are reasonable and attainable.
	Not necessarily according to Texas family law precedent, but by employing a media slash Brian Friedman and PR strategy that will significantly threaten this public persona and brand.
	That's from 2022.
	Yes.
	This has been the plan from the beginning, guys.
	Is that an illegal plan?
	No, it seems pretty reasonable.
	It seems like a strategy, even.
	Yeah, it seems like a strategy to maximize your winnings in a divorce case.
	And I do want to mention really quick, all of these texts were part of Discovery.
	In the divorce?
	I don't know if it was the divorce or the other lawsuit.
	There's another lawsuit that is louder with Crowder against Hillary's dad, Hillary, and several other people that torches interference, a couple other things we'll talk about later.
	Yeah, Steven received, what is this, 18,733 pages of text messages.
	Yeah, it was two of her phones were examined and imaged.
	So I think that that's pretty standard.
	But if this is the best they got, I mean, we're not done, but it's not very damning.
	No.
	What I noticed about this is that the message is from her father to her, and it says, my additional comments in parentheses, meaning that it sounds like Hillary originally wrote this, and that her father added additional comments in parentheses, like this is a document being intended to send to somebody.
	I mean, either way.
	I don't know the context of that text, but it sounds like he's just like offering advice on something that she typed up.
	I think saying that she wants someone that understands right-wing media is very valuable in a case like this.
	Of course it is.
	Yeah, because that's the world that Steven lives in.
	Mm-hmm.
	You know, like if I was married to a baseball player and I was going through a divorce, I would hope that I would understand someone who understands the legality of baseball.
	Yes, thousand percent.
	And like the contracts of baseball.
	Would you...
	Bring a knife to a gunfight?
	I bring a baseball bat to a knife fight.
	Okay, but if you were Gerald and you were like asking like your guys to like, can you guys please Bring a knife to a gunfight?
	I would do anything for Dave.
	Ahoy guy, right?
	Yeah, same guy.
	All right, boys.
	February 17th of 2023 Just leave that overlay up for me Hillary and Jared met in
	Atlanta to discuss their strategy and they took this picture
	They took a how he changed my mind. I Guess a proposed book that Hillary would like to write
	to apply more pressure to Steven so there's an image here of I think it's Jared
	and his wife with Hillary and maybe one of her friends and
	And there is a, I don't even know if it's a purpose, it's like a trapper keeper, a binder with a piece of paper on it that says How He Changed My Mind.
	I mean, could be a proposed book, could be just- Could be about God.
	Could be about God, could be about the Lord.
	Could be, yeah.
	But also, if Stephen can write Fox News articles about saving his virginity until marriage, why can't she write her own book about leaving him?
	I don't see anything wrong with that.
	I mean, after they split up, she needs to be totally quiet.
	I don't think that's true.
	No words, bro.
	In this text message, I think that this is really nice.
	It says, Hey, I have tickets for the aquarium at 2 p.m.
	We'll pick you all up at the airport, smiley face.
	Figured we could take you to check in at your hotel if you wanted to grab food before getting to the fish.
	You know what fish is slang for, right?
	Yeah.
	Tell us.
	Yeah.
	I don't have an answer.
	Well, I believe it probably has something to do with, you know, the little So neither of you know what that means, is what I'm getting.
	But also I want you to remember Jared and Hillary were friends.
	They worked together for a very long time.
	We don't often talk about Hillary.
	Well Hillary had a role at the show for a long time.
	She scouted... what?
	Pam.
	And Jared?
	Jim.
	No, come on.
	A lot of people have been saying that there was this potential relationship between the two.
	That is just nothing but- Just for TV.
	Nonsense.
	No, it never happened.
	Maybe how he changed me is- Hillary used to work there, too.
	She scouted, conducted interviews, and assisted in hiring.
	She produced for the show as well.
	Content for the Life Advice episode.
	I just realized the pun on this about changing my mind.
	Really?
	It's too fucking good.
	Yeah.
	Why did I miss that?
	How he changed my mind?
	Yeah.
	She also, um, selected questions, show content and prepared the on-air talent.
	So she's actually the original sound of the... I don't think so.
	I don't, but I do know that, I mean... That's how she sneezes.
	This sounds great.
	Two old friends meeting up, getting dinner and going to an aquarium.
	Talking shit over fish.
	And honestly, that's fine.
	I, even though it is technically illegal, I guess.
	It's civilly illegal.
	It's a civil matter.
	QAnon and Aquarium, and I'll get back to you.
	But I do want to say Hillary is a conservative.
	I wanted just to highlight that as well.
	She's not fully innocent in terms of her belief structure, just like Jared isn't.
	But, I mean, it doesn't mean that she deserves any abuse.
	You're talking about me and like how I'm kind of trying to fabricate a story out of this?
	Yeah, I don't love that.
	Well, I think for all of these things, with Jared, with Hillary, the way that they change in the future really will tell a lot about what they learn from the experiences.
	Oh, absolutely.
	Yeah, they were all very, very young and they were doing this before, I guess they were doing it in a different degree and they were also doing it before, you know, there was repercussions for the things that they were doing.
	So hopefully they learn from that.
	Totally, yeah.
	February 20th.
	Per Jared's text messages, any scenario where Hillary and I team up is the end of him.
	Meaning Stephen.
	Meaning God.
	It is his worst nightmare.
	Watch the real fear enter his eye when Tim asks the question.
	Interesting.
	That is the only thing that they clipped from this.
	Any questions?
	Yeah, a lot.
	I want to know what happened before and after what you just said.
	I'd love to know what you're talking about here.
	To further Defendant's personal desire to keep Crowder away from his own children, Defendant helped... Defendant helped... That seems like a typo.
	Defendant helped Hillary craft and further the extortion scheme by providing false and disparaging stories and closely held beliefs about Crowder and Louder with Crowder.
	That's what they're claiming that is on there.
	On their lawsuit there.
	So instead of actually just clipping what was actually said, this is a clip of their clip on a lawsuit.
	A clip of the clip.
	Nice, nice, nice.
	So very curious to know what happened before that.
	Interesting.
	And I'm also, I want to know what question Tim would ask.
	Dude.
	I don't know.
	You don't even want to know.
	Tim still works there.
	You heard his voice a minute ago and you're not done hearing it.
	Okay.
	Can you believe the actions of people that are out in public saying they're trying to do the right thing and yet behind the scenes scheming Scheming is the right thing.
	Yeah.
	To pressure Steven with a negative PR campaign?
	It's going to be worse in just a minute, guys.
	Worse than pressure during a divorce?
	Oh my God.
	Oh my word.
	You wouldn't want to expose anything, right?
	They're acting like divorces are like a handshake and a hug and then you split stuff and you leave.
	You know, it could have been, but remember Steven wanted no, no fault divorce.
	Yeah.
	He wanted his wife to stay with him even though she was unhappy in the marriage.
	Oh gosh, this is, yeah, he's speaking to people who see Steven as the, like, Steven is just the right guy.
	He's the right person.
	He's always in the right, and even if he's wrong, he's doing it for the right reason.
	Yeah, exactly.
	Yeah.
	This isn't a fun day.
	No shit.
	It's a Sunday.
	But it's a day that has to happen where people need to know what's really going on.
	February 21st, 2023, Jared says this to Hillary, I think there's a scenario where several of us would be willing to attest to all of that.
	All of what?
	I just don't want him anywhere near those kids.
	That really, really disturbs me.
	Tell me what was said that disturbs you.
	Why do this?
	Why clip it?
	Yeah, outside of the context, it doesn't make sense.
	Because what if the message before this was, um, Stephen wants poison to me with rat poison?
	Sure.
	Like, what if that's what it said before this?
	What if it was, like, Stephen leaves guns out?
	Yeah.
	There's a gun on Stephen's desk all the time.
	There's two.
	Well, I guess it's usually a holster holster.
	He's got the AR behind him and the pistol on the table.
	And they are loaded.
	Because he considers himself the security for his show.
	I've heard him say that.
	Didn't he leave the gun on the counter when Gerald's there?
	All the time.
	Yeah.
	These are totally out of context.
	I don't know what this is.
	But also, I think there's plenty of people who would listen to Steven Crowder's show and see his Ring video and say, I'd be concerned about him being around children.
	We'll get to the Ring video.
	Yeah, and I'm not saying that like Stephen's gonna like... I'm saying that volatile people being around children is bad news.
	Yeah, and we really don't know.
	We really don't know what was said.
	And that's why I think that even bringing this up is completely ridiculous.
	But he posted all of it, right?
	Well... This was done specifically in order to get more than Hillary would get in court.
	Or that Stephen even offered her.
	Because his offers have been more generous than Hillary would ever get in court, per Hillary.
	From a text exchange between Hillary and her mother.
	Again, all public information, guys.
	This is a part of court filings.
	Not us pulling anything.
	Not us opining.
	The financial offer was serious, and the business evaluator and both of my attorneys agreed the financial offer was good.
	And while that's better than I would get in court, I want more freedom than that.
	Referring to, as well, custody of the children.
	That's fair.
	Remember that.
	The financial offer was serious.
	Uh-huh.
	And the business evaluator and both of my attorneys agreed the financial offer was good.
	Offer was rejected.
	Why?
	I really need you to think about what you just said.
	Listen, I offered her all the money and she said, I want my children.
	The money was good.
	The money, I want to buy the kids.
	Please, let me buy the kids.
	What he does leave out here from this screenshot, the offer was $5 million.
	Sure.
	Which in another clip, I don't know if I pulled, Gerald says that that is more than Steven's ever made from the show ever.
	Which is kind of interesting.
	I don't know if I believe that.
	I don't at all.
	Yeah, I think it speaks so loud that she would deny an offer like that and say, I don't want you to have... I want freedom with the kids.
	Well, and I mean, I don't know what custody deal was being negotiated, but I know that he was going for full custody.
	We've all seen those like Facebook memes where it's like, would you slap your partner for a billion dollars?
	What?
	What are you talking about?
	It's like this, some people won't do shit for money.
	She's not going to give up her custody of her kids for money.
	Of course not.
	That's all.
	That's all that is.
	I would never talk to you again for 5 million.
	Really?
	No.
	I mean that's pretty good.
	You're like pretty good for a couple years.
	2 years.
	I would sign an NDA for 2 years.
	Fuck, really think about that.
	At least 18 years.
	I want you listeners at home, how much would you take to not ever talk to your best friend again?
	How much money would you accept to never see your children again?
	God, it's gross and sad.
	I don't like that one.
	We know that's not never, that's a discussion.
	Per Hillary's father to Hillary, and other family members in a group text, the longer the divorce proceedings go on, the worse the outcome for S.C.
	Stephen Crowder.
	Developing damaging OKPR assets should be pursued.
	That deliverable is up to us, not the legal team.
	I wonder why.
	And at the right time, Mark Scroggins, the first of three attorneys, will show SC the path to make it all go away.
	Do you understand what they're saying there, guys?
	We're gonna wage a campaign against Steven.
	Not to tell the truth about Steven, but to misrepresent things that are going on.
	So that we can put pressure on him.
	Doesn't matter if these things are true or not.
	People are gonna run with it because, hey, Steven Crowder tells some jokes sometimes that offend people.
	I think you can't lie, right?
	I mean, obviously you can't lie in general when it comes to legal stuff, but it sounds like this was an email that was a plan for a mediation that was going on that day or something like that.
	And I think it's fair to discuss the strategy for that upcoming mediation.
	Absolutely.
	Of course you're going to say, hey listen, here's what I want to talk to Steven about.
	It's weird that he has access in Discovery to this document about another active trial, right?
	I'm assuming there'd be redactions if it was an active court trial.
	Well, there's two things going on.
	There was this divorce and then there was the lawsuit from him and Ladder with Crowder against her and her dad and other people.
	So I don't know which, in what case, discovery was used.
	I've got no idea, but I think it's totally reasonable to discuss a strategy, especially if your partner is a celebrity.
	Oh, there's nothing wrong with this.
	Yeah, I also like that they're trying to trick him into accepting that he would be the cool dad.
	Of course.
	And she would have custody of the kids.
	Cool Dad Crowder, CDC.
	Oh, I love that idea!
	Let's pitch him on being a real cool dude.
	You're saying I don't have to be there?
	He's gonna pull up in my truck.
	And go to the aquarium.
	Wink, wink, wink, wink, wink.
	Oh my God.
	Yeah, that's pretty cool.
	And then when the pressure is so much, when we have wrecked his life enough, at the right time, and I quote, bring it back up, at the right time, Mark, referring to Hillary's first divorce attorney.
	Bring it back up.
	Will show SC the path to make it all go away.
	They both want money, maybe fame.
	They don't care if it's at the expense or well-being of the children or the family.
	Or if they do, they're hiding that fact very well.
	So Hillary and her lawyer went, maybe they want fame.
	Maybe.
	I also like, what's the last line in here?
	Seems like this would be the best case scenario for the children of three hearts.
	That's what it says at the end of this document.
	At the very end of that email, yeah.
	They don't mention that.
	So here's the thing.
	They're saying that implying pressure wrecks somebody's life, right?
	Oh, okay.
	They're saying that if you apply pressure to Steven, that it'll wreck his life.
	He wrecked his life.
	Yeah, and also, they're applying pressure to other people with legal proceedings.
	All the time.
	That's what they do.
	That's what it is.
	When you're in legal proceedings, you do that.
	You fight like hell.
	You fight like... Shit.
	Alright.
	Based on what we've discussed, they don't believe that Mug Club should even exist because it should all belong to them.
	Light pitch.
	Having an undercover unit?
	No.
	That money belongs to Hillary.
	Going out and getting these documents released so you guys could know what's going on about the Nashville Manifesto, about the Chippewa Falls stuff that we've revealed, and the other stories that we are working on right now.
	Waste of money.
	No, it belongs to them.
	Wait, they aren't talking about BlackRock anymore.
	Yeah, they stopped talking about BlackRock.
	That's odd.
	Interesting.
	What the hell?
	They couldn't be scrambling financially because of a different pending lawsuit.
	Yeah.
	That's what it is.
	You know, when I first heard Hillary, I knew she was a scam artist just because of the name Hillary.
	I mean, I was watching a live stream of H3, the podcast, talking about it and so many people thought it was Hillary Clinton because that's the only Hillary they know.
	And they weren't actively talking about who it was, so people were so confused!
	But her emails!
	You guys got her emails?
	She's deleting all this footage.
	She's bleaching her servers.
	I gotta say, yeah, of course.
	It's like you've never seen it before.
	But I haven't seen any evidence that Hillary Crowder has wanted anything to do with the public.
	She's just jealous, dude.
	She's jealous.
	There's a message in here where she says, I wanted to bust BlackRock.
	She wanted to do that.
	I wanted to go into a barber shop and talk to minorities.
	Exactly.
	Come on.
	Yeah, the gray issues was my idea, Steve.
	Yeah, I don't think it was.
	But she has to stop.
	Obviously.
	You have to quit.
	You have to do the right thing.
	You have to honor your agreements.
	Hillary is not doing that.
	And so, this company is suing Hillary for extortion against us.
	We filed a lawsuit against Hillary, her family, and media reps for tortious interference and their extortion conspiracy scheme.
	So, are you familiar with torturous interference?
	Not enough to be discussing.
	It's when one party intentionally damages another party's business relationships.
	Makes them lose money or viewership.
	Like writing a shitty review on a place you never ate.
	Sure, yeah, yeah.
	Which, that's interesting.
	I think she's eaten what he's had to spew for a very long time.
	Her opinion should very well matter.
	Yeah, I cannot say whether or not any torturous interference took place.
	Yeah.
	Well, it's going to be complicated when you're dealing with a divorce and that person worked with you at some point.
	That's true.
	But the audience doesn't know anything, especially from what Jared said.
	They can't believe not gay Jared, who a lot of people have turned to calling him gay Jared.
	Great.
	Really cool.
	All the comments I've seen so far on Rumble were just like, I don't know, calling him gay.
	He seems like the type of guy though that would be in the comments like fighting for his life.
	He's like, I am not.
	I am not.
	I have three kids and a lovely wife.
	All caps.
	Yeah.
	And then like posting a picture of the family like over and over.
	Yeah.
	Yeah.
	But the audience doesn't know anything.
	No.
	Let's talk about some things that you know and maybe some things that you don't know.
	Okay.
	So, one of the things you know, the ring footage, right?
	Everybody remembers that?
	Yeah.
	Oh yeah.
	Yeah, we talked about that.
	Lock her up.
	Lock her up.
	Going out at all or no?
	We're still going out.
	It's just stuck on your camera right now.
	You know what?
	That's fine.
	That's where we need to be right now.
	Gonna talk you guys through this.
	Hey listen.
	Right here.
	Eyes on me.
	Eyes on me.
	Look at me.
	You need to see me.
	I'm all you need baby.
	What a fucking dork.
	And honestly, production has gone down since NotGayJared left.
	That production guy jumping in confused the hell out of me when I was listening.
	So I was like, where did this guy come from?
	Wait, what is Tim doing there?
	We haven't talked much about Tim.
	He's the new over... And the tool man?
	Their shit is fucked up right now.
	I can tell you they definitely don't have their frame rates properly aligned to their LED.
	Is that right?
	Yeah.
	Interesting.
	Gerald's all you need and he will tell you everything.
	Stephen admitted he's not a perfect guy.
	There are definitely faults.
	Arguments happen.
	People always say stuff that they wish they could either take back or was taken out of context in arguments.
	But here's what you don't know.
	Hillary deleted all of the other footage from that house on the Ring cameras and the Lake residence when a court expressly barred her from doing so.
	How many hours?
	Over 2,000 hours.
	Lock her up.
	Also 8,000 hours never even handed over.
	Along with 18 seconds from the doctored video itself.
	A note, Substack Video had small portions that were not even included in the court-issued videos, which means that it came from some other source.
	You can do the math.
	James Comey did it.
	It was Comey.
	Comey stepped in.
	So, here's what I think about this.
	Before we get there, I just want to tell everyone again, we've covered this, but I want to reiterate what Stephen said on the Ring camera.
	Okay.
	The footage of him sitting, smoking a gar.
	Puffing on a cigar, dude.
	Just lounging back.
	Puffing, just doing big inhales.
	Oh yeah, holding it in.
	Hillary, his eight months pregnant wife at that point.
	Okay.
	Asking if she could use their one car, because they only have one car, to go grocery shopping for Steven, of course.
	Did he ever park sideways in front of the garage?
	Oh, I don't know.
	He parked way out on the street, and because she's all pregnant, it's gonna take like, you know, ooh, she didn't want to walk down that driveway.
	He didn't want her to take the car at all because then he would be stuck at home and couldn't go to the gym.
	Couldn't go see Papa and Mama.
	Why wouldn't he just do some calisthenics?
	Well, why wouldn't he call an Uber or walk?
	Yeah.
	Like you said.
	And I'll tell you why she wouldn't because he was too busy having her hold his ashtray on her pregnant belly so he could ash into it.
	And then, of course, you know, he goes on to criticize her for not doing her wifely duties.
	Such a gross phrase.
	Yeah.
	He's making her give the dog medicine, even though she's concerned.
	Trying to tend to the dog's butthole, yeah.
	Yeah, but she was worried that the medicine could be toxic for both of their unborn children.
	Put the glove on.
	If it absorbed their skin, yeah.
	Put the glove on!
	You remember the glove, yeah.
	Steven saying if she loved him and that she really wanted to change to be a better wife than she would do this for him.
	She would even do it without him asking.
	He's so offended that he would even have to ask her to do this.
	Put the glove on me, I'll do it.
	But then after some continued bullying, she eventually says, I love you, but your abuse is sick.
	And this really sets off Steven and he says, watch it!
	Fucking watch it!
	That was really, really scary shit.
	Like we said it in a joking, borderline Canadian accent.
	But it was, it was fucked up.
	It definitely is.
	Yeah.
	Like if somebody says, Hey, you're abusing me.
	Here's the thing.
	If at any time my wife said you're abusing me, I would, I'd be like, holy fuck.
	If you feel that way, I'm so sorry.
	I need to get my shit in check.
	And I mean, we could separate and really think about it and come and talk about it later.
	I would just, I would take a second to be like, I need to fucking think about this for a second.
	I'm sorry.
	Even if she feels that way, that's all that matters.
	And then what happened during the 18 seconds that got cut?
	Yeah, well here's how I feel about the ring footage.
	Okay, so she deleted it.
	I don't know why.
	We actually don't even know the settings of the ring.
	Like we don't know what was recording, how much was recording.
	If I had a ring camera that was constantly recording their entire house, I'm willing to bet Stephen wouldn't want all that footage to get out.
	It's very interesting.
	Because that's the footage that got out.
	I guarantee there was other footage that was him being... I don't guarantee.
	I believe.
	Yes.
	My personal opinion is that that's what it would be.
	I think that's reasonable.
	It's totally reasonable.
	To assume that.
	And also, I think, to assume that she purposefully deleted something... Yeah, I have no idea.
	But I'll also say this.
	If you have footage that would make her look like she's abusing Stephen, All that that does is prove that you guys shouldn't be together.
	Yeah, just get divorced, guys.
	Split up.
	Even if she was strategic about this, not in the deleting, but in the saving of the clip, how many times has something like weird or unusual happened on your ring cam and you clip it and send it to your friends?
	Uh, I got a video of a kid wrecking his bike on my tree.
	Yeah.
	Put that on fails or something.
	Fail army.
	If she recognized this as a significant threat, I wouldn't put it past her to go on the app, clip it and send it to herself right then.
	Sure.
	And that could be some of the only stuff that she saved.
	It could be just that.
	Yeah.
	And also there's nothing wrong with that.
	So he said, didn't hand over 8,000 hours, deleted 2000 hours.
	How many hours are there in a year?
	I think that they're making up a maximum based on, yeah.
	Do you think that she actively reviewed all this footage?
	Yeah, it would be ridiculous, but... It didn't happen, it's just an assumption, and it's... I mean, can you assume that?
	They just looked at the Ring camera, how much the internal storage holds, basically.
	Oh, it maxed out.
	Oh, a couple times, probably.
	A couple times, yeah, and then he deleted it all.
	Hmm, curious.
	Here's another thing you know.
	Okay.
	There are family claims about hardships.
	And we're having a problem, I guess, with the overlays right now.
	So we can't show you exactly, but I will make all of this stuff available on our website.
	I'll make sure you guys have full access to all of this.
	It's not us.
	This is court documents.
	This is stuff that has been filed.
	Claim hardships.
	Here's what you don't know.
	Hillary's getting $25,000 per month from Steven.
	Per month.
	$300,000 a year, no taxes held out of it.
	In Texas, all divorce-related attorneys... Oh, fuck.
	Here's another thing you know.
	Shit.
	Here it is.
	Claim hardships.
	Here's what you don't know.
	Hillary's getting $25,000 per month from Steven.
	So of course this isn't child support getting paid.
	no taxes held out of it. In Texas all divorce related attorneys fees are paid
	by the estate. Steven's the only one actively contributing to the estate
	right now so you can do the math there. So of course this isn't child support
	getting paid. This is the money that is going to the lawyers. Well what's
	interesting about this is this is not Steven paying her.
	This is Lauderith Grouter the company paying her. This money is part of a
	separate lawsuit and only until the divorce is finalized. Yeah it's only until the
	divorce is finalized.
	Tim Poole had some thoughts on this, though.
	Oh, I love it.
	First off, not ex-wife.
	Nope.
	Not child support.
	Uh-uh.
	It is not.
	ex-wife uses to pay lawyers to go after him, he has to fund his own destruction.
	How fucked up is US divorce court?
	First off, not ex-wife.
	Nope.
	Not child support.
	Uh-uh.
	It is not.
	Did the community say anything?
	Oh, there's community notes down here.
	They added this.
	Stephen Crowder is not paying Hilary Crowder $25,000 in child support.
	The divorce case has not been finalized yet.
	This amount of money is being paid to Hilary by Louder with Crowder as part of a separate lawsuit and is only until the divorce is finalized, according to the quoted tweet here.
	So it's probably just that the divorce is, hey, listen, because of your lawsuit towards her, she's gonna be facing financial burden because of whatever.
	So you have to make up for that until the divorce is finalized so that you know how much money she's gonna be dealing with.
	Of course.
	Also, I mean... So a judge ordered that.
	That's all there is to it.
	If Hillary asked for that, okay.
	But a judge found that to be a fair thing.
	This isn't a do the math situation, Gerald.
	You might disagree with the judge, but you guys aren't judges.
	This is the first time Do you know Brian Friedman?
	I do.
	from Hillary on a lawsuit that isn't coming from the estate, also known as Steven.
	I don't like that, but I don't have any other options.
	Here's something else you don't know.
	Hillary hired entertainment superstar lawyer, Brian Friedman, as part
	of her PR attack against Steven.
	Do you know Brian Friedman?
	I do.
	Um, I just want to quickly address.
	You can't fight for traditional marriage and then be upset when you have
	to deal with traditional divorce.
	Yeah.
	The estate, which all the money is from Steven?
	Yeah, that's crazy.
	It's almost like you wanted her to be a stay-at-home mom.
	Yeah, and not have any income.
	Yeah.
	And have one car that you share.
	So does that mean that she shouldn't be able to leave you?
	Yeah, I know he believes that.
	Of course he does.
	But he also believes that she shouldn't be able to have a financial chance against his team of lawyers.
	Yeah, exactly.
	I absolutely find this to be appropriate.
	Back to Brian Friedman.
	How do you know him?
	He represented the... I heard about him from this.
	Represented the false accuser.
	My friend Dave Coulier's friend Alanis used him.
	Oh really?
	Yeah.
	Stephen's friend Kevin Spacey used... Oh Jesus.
	He used them as well.
	Tucker Carlson.
	Yeah.
	They have an example that they really like to talk about.
	They brought this up several times in the past few weeks, which is interesting.
	Seems very strategic.
	Yeah.
	I don't know if you guys remember who Brian Friedman is, but he represented Trevor Bower's false accuser, releasing images that were doctored.
	What he knew at the time, what he didn't know, still up for a little bit of debate, but it looks like Looks like there was some reason to believe maybe this claim wasn't 100% on the up and up.
	Trevor's been exonerated.
	It's been proven that this person lied about all of this.
	Maybe she even lied to Friedman, who knows?
	Friedman was all too willing to rush out and ruin a man's career that I believe had just signed a $100 million contract to play baseball and subsequently lost that contract.
	So, are they saying that people after a certain period of time should have a chance to be redeemed and go back to work?
	Except for Jared, right?
	Well, of course.
	But also, Stephen's lawyer was someone who defended Bill Cosby.
	That's very funny. A couple things I want to say. First off, it sounds like this Trevor person, I don't know if that's
	his case, didn't need redemption. It was a false accuser, it sounds like, right?
	It sounds like, from what they've said, is that Brian Freeman may not have understood that the accuser was lying
	or something along those lines.
	Yeah, they were saying that that could be a possibility.
	And of course, they're going to represent what someone is approaching them for. Like, you're not going to be like,
	let me try you first.
	That's not how lawyers do it Yeah, like it's just not like that.
	Yeah, that being said obviously false accusal of rape is bullshit Yeah.
	Yes.
	Oh yeah, absolutely.
	But also defending actual rapists is bullshit too.
	It's pretty interesting.
	He did defend Megyn Kelly after she got fired from NBC for questioning why blackface is racist.
	Huh.
	That's interesting too.
	It seems like these are all pieces of shit.
	It sounds like... Andrew Cuomo's brother, Chris.
	Say what you want about him, but that was an excellent interview he did with Adam Friedland.
	Also defended him?
	Yeah, and Mariah Carey too.
	It sounds like Brian Friedman has some big clients.
	Seems like he's an entertainment lawyer.
	Yeah, he's an entertainment lawyer who represents a lot of people, it sounds like.
	Speaking of the media... Media hit pieces.
	We all saw that, right Tim?
	Hit pieces coming out against us last year.
	Seemed like they were planned and orchestrated.
	Yeah, they were after the other one of the one of the claims was that uh, steven had revealed his genitalia to
	people in the office Uh-oh
	We talked about that. We all we addressed all of that Here's what they didn't see our terminator 2 terminator 2
	sketch or when you have to wear, you know, like really thin Garments so that you can be painted gold
	You don't have to.
	Right?
	For some of the sketches that we've done.
	You didn't look downpipe?
	Uh, remember all those, um, exposés on Steven when, I don't know, everyone left the company and talked about how bad it was?
	Yeah, but- Those were media hit pieces.
	Yeah, but- We didn't do those things!
	If we did, then so did... Not Gay Jared, of course.
	Here's what you don't know.
	Jared exposed his penis in professional settings to Steven.
	When they were at Wham!
	Radio, he would expose himself in a way that only Steven could see and then for an hour, Steven would have to sit there talking to people at the radio station about the business dealings of the show and not break.
	And to them, it was funny then and funny now.
	We're not calling him out for it, we're just saying it seems a bit odd.
	That he was somebody who participated, maybe even started doing it, and then apparently cried foul.
	I have trouble believing that, well, I mean, there's a couple of things.
	I have trouble believing that Jared didn't say this made him uncomfortable or that they were in an environment where that was going to be ridiculed and mocked.
	Of course.
	Yeah.
	So bad environments begin with, and number two, it's Steven's responsibility.
	To prevent that kind of behavior.
	Yes.
	Yeah, well, you know as Cheryl puts it here is like, you know, you didn't seem to mind it when He's holding yours.
	You're holding his you're making long eye contact in the office, you know It's crazy to me that he doesn't even did it well No, they try to minimize it by saying that it was for skits that they did.
	Oh I honestly, without him just straight up saying that that didn't happen from Steven's side, then it's still in my head that like, because this is how he starts it, that he was exposing himself in the office or whatever.
	He leads with that and then doesn't say that that's not true.
	So it just, like I said, kind of just sounds like it's two dudes just like hanging dong at each other in the office.
	But let's not forget that it's Stephen's responsibility as the boss to not let that happen.
	Of course.
	It's not equal, Jared.
	Well, but I mean like it's both people's responsibility to not be doing this.
	I agree.
	Why the fuck is it happening?
	It shouldn't happen.
	There's a couple scenarios here.
	Bad work environment.
	Yes.
	Dudes take their dicks out and show each other.
	Sure.
	With questionable consent.
	Good work environment.
	Guy takes his dick out of the office and gets fired immediately for it.
	Sure.
	That simple.
	This is just the locker room talk.
	This is good clean Christian fun.
	This is what we're doing under the eyes of the Lord.
	Like you said, he said it did not happen.
	Tries to disguise it as these two instances in sketches.
	But we all know that the example that was brought up in the hit pieces was Stephen draping his dick over Jared's shoulder.
	I think it was in a car on the way to like a Change My Mind event or something like that.
	Okay.
	It was completely different context and I mean, kind of humiliating.
	But if you think about the time, in this, he said that Jared had his dick out for an hour.
	Okay.
	One hour.
	And honestly, committing to the bit, so I'll give him props for that.
	He just keeps doing, like, the Shared Stone.
	I don't think I've ever had my penis out for an hour.
	Well, maybe if I'm, like... In any context, ever.
	No, I can't even think.
	I was gonna say, maybe if I'm, like, in the shower for, like, a really long time, but that's a long shower.
	One hour!
	Maybe sleeping unclothed?
	I am also one to be doing the Sharon Stone, cross my legs, uncross my legs.
	Alright, next clip.
	It's a Sharon thing.
	I said, let's start with Joe Louis, Stephen's dog.
	Wash your hands first.
	Hillary tried to have Joe Louis removed from him.
	Hey buddy.
	Hey buddy.
	Falsely claimed that Joe was dangerous, citing the previous owner.
	He's dead now.
	The previous owner Let me just say this.
	That happened while I was in Steven's office.
	He got a note saying from Hillary that Joe Louis was dangerous and needed to be removed from the presence of the children.
	He almost started crying.
	No, I was laughing.
	She was trying to remove everything from his life.
	You guys were both laughing.
	I can't tell.
	I was just laughing at the way he's describing this because it sounds like someone like walked in and handed him a note and he was like, thank you.
	Puts the head down.
	But what I really picture it happening was Hillary sending him a picture of Joe Louis with a sound effect from San Francisco, where I was going, It's dangerous!
	That's all I envision going on.
	San Francisco what?
	Rush.
	San Francisco Rush.
	You can't quote... I don't know what that is.
	You know San Francisco Rush.
	Is it a video game?
	Yes.
	Jared, you know it?
	Uh, yeah.
	Of course.
	N64.
	You pick the van, it goes...
	It's dangerous.
	I don't know.
	Look it up.
	It's a great joke and Everyone's having a great time except for Steven, of course and honestly Removed from the presence of the children is completely different than removed Rehomed put down.
	It sounds like maybe put the dog away if you're not here.
	If the kids are here I don't want a big dog around them.
	These are newborn twins And it's totally fair for a mother to say, hey, listen, I'm concerned about the way that your dog acts around my children.
	It's their dog.
	They had the dog together.
	And there's a picture of, I believe Hillary did a memorial like picture for this dog.
	It was her dog too.
	Yeah.
	Well, she actually, she called the old owner and said, hey, did your dog ever bite kids?
	I don't, I can't attest to that.
	That seems interesting, but.
	Well, it seems wild.
	Imagine if you sold somebody a dog and then they start recommending Tom McDonald to you.
	No, I just I think that it's this is beyond reasonable for her to have concern about a newborn being around a dog.
	Absolutely.
	Any dog.
	Like my sister has a baby is about to turn one.
	My dog does not go around him without intense supervision.
	Of course.
	And he's not violent and he's not big.
	Yes.
	I have a dog that was... I had a dog.
	Hey, buddy.
	I'm sorry.
	Hey, buddy.
	Damn.
	Who just made me nervous around kids.
	Yeah.
	We were like, all right, let's just not have him around kids.
	And that's okay.
	And then if my wife and I got pregnant, I would be like, well, we need to evaluate... We need to figure this out.
	Talk about this.
	Yeah.
	And so what I did... It's complicated because... I called the breeder and had them sign an affidavit that it was a nice dog.
	Breeder's like, yeah, of course it's a nice dog.
	I don't sell mean dogs.
	I'm a breeder.
	Of course.
	Nice dogs only, that's me.
	That's our guarantee.
	She also tried to get me to abandon Steven.
	The top dog.
	When she filed for divorce.
	You heard me correctly.
	Gerald needs to leave Steven.
	I haven't talked to anybody else about that in any detail.
	No detail here, man.
	As all of this is going on, I was And this is not part of what I planned on talking about today, guys, but I need you to understand the level of... I don't even know the right word to say, but the crap that we are having to deal with is probably the most polite thing that I can come up with.
	Um, I don't know what the word is, but it's, I'll tell you this, it's crap.
	This is crap.
	That's my best friend.
	And Hillary's saying he's not a good guy.
	You might want to not have his home in a trust under your name.
	Yes.
	Which may or may not be true, but how does this play out in your mind?
	What did Hillary say to Gerald?
	I think she said something along the lines of like, Hey, listen, uh, I know that you're his friend, but he's not a good guy.
	I think you should stop associating with him.
	That's how I would feel like that would go.
	It's a huge sin.
	Add it to the commandments.
	She called him and said, hey, Steven's a bad guy.
	Change her mind.
	He couldn't do it.
	He couldn't do it.
	Well, that might explain the binder.
	She had that binder!
	She had the binder!
	Gerald, in Steven's moment where he needs his best or one of his best friends to be by his side, Gerald, leave him.
	There's a campaign to apply pressure.
	That part, I'm assuming now that I know that that was part of the plan at the time, it was just Gerald, leave him.
	Unfortunately, Jared echoed those same comments on one of the most difficult days of Steven's life after not really hearing from Jared for a while.
	I don't remember exactly how long it was.
	It could have been years.
	I don't know.
	I can look back.
	Leave him.
	Abandon your friend when he's in need.
	I like that he referred to himself as Steven's best friend, it made me wonder like... Well, one of his best friends.
	He's my best friend, I'm not his best friend.
	Steven perking up and like looking over his shoulder and being like, no I wouldn't say that.
	Are you serious?
	I don't know about that.
	I think that that was probably one of the kindest things that Hillary and Jared could do, would be to be honest with Gerald, try to shine a light about the truth of Stephen.
	Of course, and everybody you know has been in a point in their life where there was a breakup and all of the mutual friends had to pick sides and there were conversations about how that went.
	That happens to everybody.
	It's not immoral.
	And also, the worst day of Stephen's life, Hilary also had some of the worst days of her life probably during this.
	I guarantee it.
	And she needed somebody.
	And maybe she needed you, Gerald.
	And you weren't there, man.
	Yeah.
	There wasn't two sets of footprints in the sand.
	No, that's when Gerald carried me.
	I'm not doing well.
	This was not fun for her.
	But think about Stephen, dude.
	Stephen had it way worse.
	I don't know about that.
	He did.
	Ask Gerald, dude.
	On Hillary's Twitter in March, she wrote, January of 2022, I was sleeping on a mattress in my closet.
	The world was too big.
	The sun was too bright.
	My head hurt as I tried to distinguish what was truth from what was a lie about my life.
	I could no longer envision what my future looked like.
	All I saw when I looked ahead was a void and complete darkness.
	I wrote down these words as a way to just get through the day.
	The days added up.
	My future may look different than I'd hoped, but now I can at least envision a future.
	The darkness is gone.
	And the image that she was holding, what she wrote on the paper is, just do the next right thing.
	Notice she didn't mention the kids though, so terrible mother.
	Yeah.
	It's just, it's awful.
	This is messy and it's sad.
	It's just what you would expect out of a divorce.
	And if your life is public, it's going to be a public divorce.
	Yeah.
	I would be surprised if in a split, the other person didn't come to me and say, Hey, listen, here's how I feel about that person.
	I don't expect that.
	Of course.
	To Gerald, you don't owe Steven your loyalty.
	No, just because you're entirely financially dependent on him.
	You don't owe anyone loyalty.
	You only owe yourself and praise be to he.
	Yes, the Lord.
	And I know exactly what's going to happen.
	You guys are going to come after me.
	It's fine.
	I can handle it.
	I don't think you can.
	But you're not going to address what I've said.
	That's factually true in court documents publicly available because you can't.
	We are addressing it.
	It's so clear.
	Tried to take his dog away to destabilize him as part of the plan.
	Tried to take me away.
	But I would go.
	Can't take Gerald.
	Can't take the dog out of Gerald.
	Yeah.
	And I'm certainly not gonna bring up the allegations that he's a groomer.
	I wouldn't do that.
	Yeah, don't beat those.
	You can't beat those allegations.
	Like to Jared Lewis?
	No, to teens at Christian summer camp.
	Probably won't talk about that.
	But he's not done accusing Jared of things.
	No, no.
	The address where the children slept part of the time was intentionally doxxed.
	Docs, huh?
	We're gonna put these assets on Twitter because we can't bring these right now.
	These shits all fucked up right now.
	We had our overlay machine crashed at the worst possible time.
	Shit's all fucked up right now.
	I'm so sorry.
	Hillary sent the private and unlisted residential address to Jared.
	You know how I know it was private and unlisted?
	Because I was in charge of making sure it was so.
	Do you know why?
	To make sure that the kids were safe.
	Interesting.
	Use of docks!
	I think there's a big difference between you asking me where someone lives, maybe because you're in the middle of a legal battle and it might be important if you were to, I don't know, serve papers or do something like that.
	Hillary may have sent Jared Stevens a dress.
	That's not doxing.
	It's not doxxing.
	And also, there's context around it, I'm sure.
	Because it's like a single text message on the display.
	Yeah, that's right.
	Where was that one?
	I don't know, but I think it's what they did with that information that might be the problem here.
	Not everybody likes Steven.
	Some for very good reason.
	He comes off and he says a joke?
	Fine.
	You don't like that?
	Fine.
	If you want to use it, great reason.
	You don't like somebody because of a joke.
	But a lot of people don't like him because he pushes back on evil.
	And there are a lot of groups out there that don't like to be called out.
	And they don't like Steven and maybe they would try to do him harm.
	And so to make sure that his family is protected, he goes through great lengths to make sure nobody knows where he lives.
	And who would know that better than Hillary, right?
	Of course.
	The person who lived with him throughout all this.
	She dropped their kids off.
	So this message where she, where she doxed him, supposedly, didn't dox, But this message saying, I want to at them, I don't know who them is, uh, that he actually lives at blank.
	Uh, so please leave this house alone.
	He doesn't live here.
	Ha ha ha ha.
	It sounds like it's like part of like some sarcastic, like, Oh, I would love to dox him.
	This, this conversation, this person could even know the address already.
	Is this to Jared?
	I think so.
	I think this is between Jared and Hillary.
	Yeah.
	Yeah.
	Jared couldn't know the address already.
	She just could be like making a dumb joke about how like, Oh, it'd be so nice to ruin his life, but I'm not gonna.
	Yeah.
	And that is, I guess, illegal for Jared to be part of the conversation.
	Yeah, in private conversations you actually can't say anything that involves anyone else.
	But there are serious repercussions for this sort of doxxing.
	Yeah, of course, what happens?
	Shortly after Jared received Steven's personal address from Hillary, Steven received a threatening message.
	Package came from Smyrna, Georgia.
	Didn't say who it was from, but we later found out that that is mere miles from where Jared lives.
	Again, Jared's probably gonna say, oh come on it was a joke.
	Okay.
	It's an unlisted address.
	Nobody knows where he lives.
	You didn't say who it was from.
	You just said watch it effing watch it.
	Yeah.
	On there.
	I know where that came from.
	On there, huh?
	On there, on the threatening package.
	The threatening package.
	What is this?
	What is this threatening package?
	It's kind of interesting.
	It says watch it.
	Fucking watch it.
	What does the bottom part say?
	I can't really tell.
	Can you tell?
	It says on the... It's written on a yam, which is kind of interesting.
	Wrap in paper.
	This is the baking instructions for a delicious, fluffy, baked sweet potato.
	Yeah, was this around Thanksgiving?
	Could have been a yam.
	I don't know.
	No, it was February.
	And also there are plenty of sweet potato farms in Georgia.
	Georgia Grown, Bland Farms, Mussolini Farms.
	Ooh.
	Nice.
	I don't know if Jared sent this.
	Well, but I mean his, his video was yam coded.
	Okay.
	Oh yeah.
	The orange from the video.
	The orange.
	And also it came from down the road from his house apparently.
	That's what they're saying.
	Cause he put a stamp on it and a return address.
	So he knew it was from Georgia.
	That's what they said, but I don't, I don't know.
	Did you notice when they said, are you going to comply?
	He said, I am not.
	He did say that.
	If you listen back and slow down.
	I am not.
	I am not.
	How many shits do you give about that?
	I don't give that many shits.
	Also, if I got a threatening message on a sweet potato, I'd be like, this is fucking weird.
	And honestly, if you consider watch it, fucking watch it, threatening on a potato.
	Yeah.
	Imagine if it's coming out of your husband's mouth.
	Yeah.
	Towards your pregnant wife.
	That's interesting. This potato is about the size of the cigar that I was smoking. I should be a lawyer
	I just got that case closed So you are threatening your wife?
	So here's what I will say about this for one. You shouldn't be sending threatening messages people on a potato or
	otherwise Yeah, don't do it, but you can send us potatoes to a P.O.
	box But also you guys cannot say that that was Jared
	You just can't.
	It can't.
	Does the timing align with that, I guess?
	I don't know.
	The location... Could it also be that someone, maybe Steven's neighbor, knows who he is and thinks he's a piece of shit?
	They said they have a return address.
	They don't have a return address.
	They have a return... They have like a shipping... Zip code.
	Zip code.
	It might have been routed through Smyrna, Georgia and been sent from anywhere near Atlanta.
	And honestly, it seems like they kind of doxed Jared.
	By saying where he's from.
	Yeah.
	Yeah.
	I don't love that.
	No.
	I put this freaking potato on a Shopify.
	I hate when I actually, I want to dox myself.
	Like when I, when I use DoorDash and I dox myself, it's the worst.
	I have to give him my address so he can give me the food.
	Oh, see you are, yeah.
	I dox myself every day.
	That makes sense.
	But we're just about done folks.
	Okay.
	Yeah.
	He's winding down.
	I want to hear what he has to say.
	I want to say a couple of things as I wrap this up.
	NDAs are a normal part of doing business.
	Not upon firing.
	You sign an NDA voluntarily.
	Jared signed his voluntarily and then he breached it.
	Didn't have to sign it.
	Could have left.
	Could have just left.
	Could have walked away.
	Didn't have to sign the exit.
	He signs it on the way in again.
	Didn't have to sign that either.
	Never.
	He voluntarily signed an agreement and then decided to break it.
	He also lied to you guys.
	And said that I was asking for every single conversation with his friends and that I was telling him that he couldn't contact his friends.
	No, mm-mm.
	That's not true.
	Look at the Form 202 position that we put out there.
	I told Jared, in that petition, basically like, hey, you have to stop talking about the company.
	The agreement that you made with us.
	And that can be as simple, like I said earlier, as making sure no address is divulged to where somebody sleeps with their young children.
	It's common.
	It sounds like harassment to me.
	There's no way Steven or Gerald know what he's talking to these people about, but as long as he's talking to these people, they're gonna think that he's talking to them about him.
	So every time that happens, they're gonna play the same fucking game where they say, you need to appear for a deposition and you need to supply all evidence of your conversations with these people.
	Yeah, and that's a really slippery slope to go down.
	It sure is.
	When were the last couple on there, I think, that were...
	Is any other individual not currently known to whom Respondent has made disparaging comments about LWC?
	So anyone they suspect he's made comments about them.
	Or anyone that they don't even know about.
	So that is literally everyone.
	It is.
	It's very broad language.
	It's meant to be broad language, it seems like.
	And also, NDAs are normal part of doing business.
	Sure, but typically you don't sign a new NDA when you are leaving.
	No.
	Typically also there's not a really significant power dynamic involved with like your boss who has a firearm with him all the time.
	Of course.
	Right?
	Like there is pressure in places.
	And the lie that Jared pointed out saying that we will shorten your non-compete if you sign this.
	And didn't do that.
	Sent him a cease and desist at the moment he pursued what he agreed upon.
	Again, we don't have all these documents because you didn't post them either, Gerald.
	Yeah, he lied.
	You posted your screenshots of your documents, which are not helpful for us.
	The sources, like the sources that they claim that they always post are not public for this episode on that tab.
	They are in the main page.
	They do not include this.
	Hmm.
	It's bullshit, man.
	Sure.
	Bullshit.
	Sorry, pardon me.
	It's crap.
	It's crap.
	Frankly, it's crap.
	I'm not restricting your speech, Jared.
	I simply asked you to honor your agreement that you voluntarily entered into.
	And you had every opportunity to do the right thing before being sued today.
	Oh no.
	Because?
	From the very beginning, I talked to the lawyers about making sure that this cost you as little as possible.
	You don't know that because you never reached out to me.
	You just assumed the worst.
	Assume that I was bought and paid for by Stephen.
	I'm bought and paid for by no one.
	Sue him gently.
	Again, Stephen's friend before this job, Stephen's friend after this job.
	I didn't want this to cost you money.
	I didn't want this to go out and be public for everybody.
	I did want you to honor your agreement and knock it off.
	When you refused, I needed to know how far this went.
	He's the good guy.
	This is so draining to listen to him because it's just he's talking to people who are on his side.
	He's not trying to convince anyone of anything.
	He's just saying, hey, listen, listen, you know me.
	I got you.
	It's fine.
	He's a liar.
	I think he is doing damage control.
	I think there are a handful of people who said, you know, man, like with this, the big con stuff, the leaked abuse towards your wife, like I might be fed up.
	People are saying that, but I feel like those people that he's not going to win him over with this like, trust me kind of attitude.
	Yeah.
	I think he's maybe tucking in the rest of his remaining audience.
	Exactly.
	That's all he's doing.
	Like if, if somebody was lost because of what they heard or, you know, they saw from the Ring video or whatever, they're not going to be turned around by Jared saying, uh, he actually lied.
	Trust me.
	Here's a single text message out of context.
	Can we call him not gay?
	I feel terrible for Jared, our Jared over there, hearing his name constantly.
	Jared.
	We can call him NGJ.
	NGJ?
	NGJ.
	The episode's almost done.
	Yep, sorry Jared.
	Call me J-Dog, I guess.
	J-Dog.
	Okay, J-Dog.
	There we go.
	Thank you.
	But, you know, this is not a big deal.
	No, it's fine.
	It's fine.
	Not mean-spirited at all.
	It's just tell them to knock it off.
	I wanted to sue them for less, but they wouldn't let me.
	Because I'm a good guy.
	After two hearings that maybe lasted about an hour each.
	Just two hearings.
	And very minimal work.
	And a deposition deadline that had expired.
	You decided to come out and say that we had sued you, which we hadn't.
	That video makes it very clear that the only way that we can get to a place of understanding of what your agreement was and that you should honor it is for me to have to sue you.
	I did not want it to be this way.
	I take no pleasure in it.
	No matter what the outcome, I take no pleasure in it.
	I just want to protect this company and the people that work here.
	And your equipment that I am going to steal.
	One thing you also need to know guys, Hillary is behind this entire plan.
	So then it's Hillary's fault, of course.
	Weird scapegoat to blame it all on Hillary.
	Jared wants to move on with his life.
	And I'm sure that Steven does.
	I'm sure that Hillary does.
	Yeah.
	Let's just move on with your lives.
	Moving on.
	That'd be great.
	You put Jared in a predicament where he can't say anything about the company.
	You're also the one threatening all of his action against him.
	There's a circular logic here.
	If you were to release him from his NDA and speak the truth about whatever happens there, because hey, if he's speaking the truth, it's not a problem, right?
	Well, I think it is for them.
	I understand that, but that's the entire point is that you can't imply that what he's doing is so bad when all he wants to do is just speak about his experiences in the company without saying that the company's experiences that he's had were bad.
	Yep, we're back to what's worse, breaking the rule and telling the truth, or the truth that's bad.
	Exactly.
	And, I mean, he's in jail.
	With this 202, he can constantly be pulled in under any suspicion that he's talking about the company.
	I don't know how enforceable that is.
	Yeah, I don't know either, and I don't know the stipulations of this.
	There's nothing like a warrant for it, he says.
	But it seems like if they're willing to, you know, do this once, why wouldn't they do it again?
	I have Snapchat combos only, dude.
	Emojis on Snapchat, that's all I ever do.
	Great.
	That's cool.
	What's your snap?
	All of these lawsuits.
	All of it.
	I hate it.
	I hate every single second of it.
	It does not give me pleasure.
	I've said it hopefully enough times for you to understand that I don't like doing this.
	But if it comes down to defending the company and the employees who pour so much of their lives into it, or staying silent, While people repeatedly attack us and violate their agreements with us, then you better believe that I am going to fight like hell to defend this company and to defend our ability to communicate with you.
	And to defend Steven, as imperfect as he is.
	We are all imperfect.
	Didn't have to be this way.
	I mean, does it go both ways?
	If there's all this equal dirt on Jared that you're being a good guy and staying silent about, why don't you come out and say it?
	Yes.
	Why don't you just rip off the NDAs?
	Because I want his equipment back in my possession.
	He had this really cool Canon 5D Mark III.
	Yeah.
	We know this goes back to before they were even a serious operation.
	So that's why this whole, I mean, they probably didn't have a proper NDA in place at that point.
	Exactly.
	They probably didn't.
	They're probably trying to scrap what we left.
	We don't even have an LLC yet.
	He took the freaking overlay machine, okay?
	Damn.
	You see us struggling over here?
	So he took the power cord of the overlay machine literally while we were using it.
	Honestly, give it back.
	He told freaking Michael Winslow to leave with him and he did.
	What are they gonna do without a Winslow?
	We're we're we're a lot of that pretty good at that This is the last word from Gerald that we'll hear tonight
	and look I'm sorry for all of you who have to hear this drama. We're
	not Pleased in any way to be a part of drama
	Sometimes it happens and we have to defend ourselves and we don't shy away from that even though it's drama. Nobody
	likes it when Conservatives are fighting one another nobody likes it when
	people are attacking and it's just like a terrible episode of
	Network TV.
	I hate it too.
	We want to get back to doing the content that you like, and we will.
	What he's attacking is saying, Hey, listen, you have me in handcuffs and Steven Crowder's show is saying, yes, we do.
	And if you don't stop lying about it, we're going to sue you more.
	I don't, I think so.
	What he's saying is I want to be able to speak my truth and I want to be able to go work again.
	And I can have an opinion about my time at this place.
	And he's saying, you guys keep suing me.
	The response is, yeah, we're gonna now again.
	We're still gonna.
	Yeah.
	And are.
	You're suing me a punch and putting me in like legal choke holds.
	It's like the, like the, the breakfast club and the teacher's like, can we get another one?
	That's another one.
	Yeah.
	And another one.
	And another one.
	That's the bull gonna get the horns.
	That's basically the one.
	Well, everyone knows that the Principal's the good guy in that movie.
	He is.
	He's the guy just trying to keep the order.
	The most relatable character, for sure.
	Sure, that makes a lot of sense.
	Would you guys watch a show where the Principal from Breakfast Club hosts a 40-minute, you know, I'm-gonna-see-you conversation on the internet?
	Would you guys watch that?
	Yes.
	I would watch The Breakfast Club from his perspective, where he just complained about the shitty kids in detention.
	Great.
	He just goes back to his office and shreds a little on his Les Paul.
	Yeah, of course.
	That's it.
	Plain Iron Man only.
	So that was the end of the March 26th broadcast.
	It was just a little over 30 minutes.
	Overlays broke, which was pretty great.
	So then instead of, you know, actually publishing the sources, Gerald just tweeted all of them.
	The overlays.
	Yeah, and then posted the tweets on the episode page, I guess?
	That's enough.
	That's where we got all these from, but it's not enough.
	They're all out of context and this whole episode is probably the worst case of damage control I've seen in a very long time.
	Sweet potato is big.
	That's a dangerous package.
	It's not a sweet potato.
	I would say...
	D+.
	If you look at Jeremy Boring's defense of their contracts as an explanation, that is probably a B+.
	Pretty good.
	I don't love Jeremy Boring, but he did a much better job than Gerald in this case.
	This was a mess.
	This sucked.
	It was a mess.
	It was definitely a bit of a mess.
	I kind of sat with it for a couple days until tuning in today.
	March 28th.
	Today.
	Steven returned to the studio with a follow-up.
	Actually, I waited one day.
	One day later.
	Two days after Jared posted his.
	Okay, so Jared day one, Gerald day two, Stephen day three.
	He's back.
	He's back, baby.
	I'm looking down here.
	You didn't get rid of your notepad, Gerald.
	Oops.
	I have your notepad for me.
	It looks like the writing, the scratch of a serial killer.
	Guess you had a full day without me yesterday.
	I don't know what you're talking about.
	Look guys, before I move on with anything, you know, obviously my phone's been blowing up.
	I've never talked about my private divorce.
	I have no intentions of doing that.
	You publicly threatened your wife on the air.
	Remember that?
	Did he?
	Yeah, he threatened to have her mental evaluations released and a bunch of other things.
	You remember that?
	I don't.
	Oh, it sucked.
	It was the worst.
	Yeah, he sucked about it quite a few times.
	He has not kept this private.
	He did like a whole Men's Rights Week, remember?
	Oh, lovely.
	Yeah, he's fun.
	He's having a good time.
	I'll continue not discussing it.
	There will be a joint statement in the coming weeks.
	Anyone out there who thinks you're doing it on our side, on my side, on her side, just stop.
	It's a private affair.
	Things were settled amicably.
	It's done.
	I'm not gonna be talking about it.
	You'll see a joint statement coming up.
	That's just, please leave her alone.
	Genuinely, leave her alone.
	Leave her alone.
	Yeah, this is odd.
	Imagine your last show being about hating on his ex-wife.
	Yeah, and her PR campaign to destroy his life.
	And then Steven coming in saying, hey guys, leave her alone.
	Leave her alone.
	Hey listen, really quickly, I want you guys all to hate her so much, but leave her alone.
	Well, it's done with.
	It's done.
	It's settled.
	I hate her, you should hate her, but leave her alone.
	Seems like his negative PR campaign against his ex-wife worked out pretty well.
	I'm really curious.
	Imagine if he was in mediation with his wife and Gerald was doing that livestream and the attorneys were all watching it together.
	Yeah, just like the true the Alex Jones versus the truth There's a couple times during that Sandy Hook trial in Texas where they brought his show from earlier that day in Where he was talking poorly about the judge and the witnesses.
	Oh god, I guess victims plaintiffs Yeah, I love to see Stevens attorney watching Gerald give that thing.
	Yeah I have a lot of mixed feelings about this resolution and honestly It all boils down to it not being any of my business.
	It's not.
	Yeah, no, it's not my business.
	I think... Like, did I want Stephen to suffer more?
	I don't... I don't know.
	I don't... I don't know.
	I don't think so.
	So, I want Stephen and Hillary to settle their things and be apart and be fine and be happier, better people.
	Yeah.
	That's what I want.
	I'm not going to attack Stephen for the fact that his relationship failed, but I will attack him for the fact that he will say that men are bad if that happens to them.
	Or I'll attack his ideas around that.
	Same thing if an anti-gay politician comes out as being gay, I'm going to attack them for being a hypocrite and not being gay.
	Yeah.
	Same kind of thing.
	Like, listen, Hillary and Stephen, they're done, they're settled.
	Okay, fine.
	I will approach and I will address if Stephen's gonna be a piece of shit to people like Jared in the future.
	And our Jared, too.
	If he's meant to be our Jared.
	Of course.
	Please don't.
	Please don't.
	J-Dog?
	Come on.
	I mean, I can handle it, but like... If you have any Yukon Golds though, I'll give you his address.
	Honestly, we'll sign the Yukon Golds if you join the Shrug Club.
	We'll send you some Yukon Golds.
	Soon, soon.
	It's coming soon.
	Five pound bags.
	It sucks.
	It's unfortunate.
	I'm glad that Not Gay Jared is finally understanding what it feels like to be a victim.
	I hope that he changes course.
	I know he's starting his own podcast.
	It's another one of those free speech type podcasts.
	He's already saying he's gonna get Tim Kennedy on the show who was the guy that Stephen was interviewing at South by Southwest in 2017.
	Seems like they're still friends.
	There's just like a lot of space to be filled on the right or like just like really anywhere where like no one's really talking about like what it means to be like a man and like being fathers.
	It's good he's getting in at the ground floor.
	Yeah, really cool, really cool.
	We're entering a new era of Stephen as well.
	This is officially single Stephen.
	Single Stephen, officially single Stephen.
	Really quick, did you guys notice that they tweeted Hillary's email address?
	I didn't see that.
	Oh, Hillary did that.
	She did that.
	Oh, everything's public.
	No, she was so this is the saddest thing.
	I don't even know if we need to leave this in she was asking for jobs jobs Yeah, because she needed to she I mean didn't plan the job now Yeah, now she needs work and she posted I guess she wouldn't care if we talked about this and it doesn't matter but she apparently got a job and posted a picture setting up her work laptop and Hell yeah.
	So she seems to have something fell in her lap.
	And with that, let's introduce our newest member of our staff, Hillary.
	Come on in, Hillary.
	Thank you.
	I hope you're enjoying that Lenovo yoga that we got you.
	You can fold it backwards and touch the screen if you want.
	It's pretty cool.
	It's a nice computer.
	Don't, don't, don't bend it back that far.
	Don't bend it.
	Please don't.
	You're weakening the hinges.
	Watch it.
	All right, that's enough.
	That's all that we can handle of this situation.
	Weird week.
	Weird week.
	Not where I expected this week to go.
	No.
	We were gonna give you all like a regular-ass, uh, here's some, you know, thinly-veiled racism and some mediocre takes, but no, you got the juice.
	We got the nice fat steak here for you this week.
	Yeah, I'm not hungry.
	But I am on X at Van Crowder.
	Email us louderthancrowder at gmail.com.
	We've had a couple Shrug Club exclusives, some leaks, and I really appreciate them.
	If you have any information about Stephen or any of his crew that you would like to share with us, even maybe personal experiences that you've had with Louder with Crowder fans, I know a lot of, I've seen a lot of people talk about spotting mugs at the workplace.
	Hand etched mugs that they are Someone has a cricket with some etching material.
	Reach out to us there.
	But yeah, that's about all I can handle for this week.
	And if you disagree with us in any way, reach out to us.
	Let us know.
	And until next time, I'm Byron.
	I'm Dennis.
	I'm Jared, doing that Harlem Shake.
	Take care.
	You've been listening to an AudioWall original, produced by Byron McCoy.

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