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	Hello and welcome to the podcast of the Lotus Eaters, episode one thousand two hundred and fifty one.
	I'm your host Harry, joined today by Luca and Dan.
	And today we're going to be talking about the outpouring of vitriol related to the assassination of Charlie Kirk, which has come from the left.
	Dan is going to be taking us through what has been going on in Brazil with the Bolsonario uh Bolsonaro situation.
	And I'm going to be going through some of the information related to the Epstein leaks that were dropped by the uh House Committee earlier on this week, which obviously got overshadowed at the time, and how it has affected Peter Mandelson and uh taken him out of the Labour Party yet again.
	Anything else we'd like to mention before we start?
	Nope, nope.
	All right, let's go with it.
	Well, I should just like to start by personally saying how devastated I was when I saw what was happening on that Wednesday evening, getting home from work, seeing the videos unfold on X. It was one of the worst things I've ever seen in my life.
	And it's a true tragedy.
	It's both a tragedy and a deep injustice and a terrible thing.
	And because the truth of the matter is that Charlie deserved to grow old.
	Right.
	He deserved to grow old, surrounded by a family that he clearly adored in a country that he both recognized the greatness of and saw the tremendous potential in.
	Right.
	And both of those things are true.
	And it's and I think the thing is as well to mention that it's not just that um Charlie clearly saw potential in his allies.
	It's the fact that he also obviously through the medium of debate, saw potential in his enemies as well.
	Changing them, making them into better people, more virtuous people.
	You brought up um a whole number of wonderful, uh powerful videos down yesterday about just him like on the whatever podcast, or just you know, trying to change people that frankly other people wouldn't give that time to, who will just deem a lost cause from the beginning.
	I mean, trying to find virtue in lefties is is our generation's version of climbing Everest.
	It's it's the greatest challenge.
	It is, and as we'll go through with this segment, it's harder today than it ever has been.
	Um but I would like to I would like to start by looking at this clip of Trump.
	Uh we might remember this clip very famously after the path passing of uh Ruth Bay the Ginsburg on the Supreme Court because his reaction is very telling, very telling.
	yeah She just died.
	Well I didn't know that.
	I just uh you're telling me now for the first time.
	She led an amazing life.
	What else can you say?
	She was an amazing woman.
	Whether you agreed or not, she was an amazing woman who led an amazing life.
	Um I'll stop it there.
	Just because I'm aware of um the song in the background, that was just part it happened to be going on when it was recorded.
	The contrast is remarkable between how the right behaves and how the left behaves.
	And you have to bear in mind as well, this is a woman who ceaselessly tried to have him removed from office.
	Yes.
	Who was behind every impeachment attempt, every attempt to discredit him, drag his name through the mud, and that's how conciliatory she what he was to her memory, right?
	Whether she deserved it or not, he was the bigger man and he just got up there and admitted the uh the scale of the legacy that she'd left behind.
	And that is something that just cannot be done seemingly from the other side, from the other side.
	So I just wanted to go through some of the uh you covered some of it yesterday, Dan, but also the fact that for many of these people are the most rabid, crazy people you'll ever see in your life.
	So this is an example of uh one of the lead developers for um the Ghosts of Tsushima sequel that's apparently coming out, and she mocks the death of Charlie Kirk.
	Is this the one with samurai's Netflix casting?
	Um no, that was I don't recall there was anything to do with that.
	No, you're thinking of the Assassin's Creed game, it's um a little different.
	But this is um but this is an American game, right?
	So he's uh even though it's a game set in Japan, it's an American company, and yeah, she was not only that, but then she was fired because of basically cheering on the death of Charlie.
	And that's something.
	And she's but she she went on to say as well, well, I would lose my dream job all over again.
	If it meant right, so just no remorse whatsoever, just kind of irredeemable.
	You're destroying destroying something good is more important to her.
	Yes.
	Yes, it is.
	And obviously Blue Sky, that that bastion of tolerance and compassion, was the absolute gutter of the internet for the days.
	Aren't these aren't these all the people that left X because they said it was too hateful?
	They did, they did, and now they're just bringing about uh kill lists, it seems, for who should be the next target.
	Okay.
	Um I have seen actual kill lists posted by some people where they've uh crossed out the name of Charlie Kirk, and they do have a lot of the other mainstream centre-right figures like Ben Shapiro and others on there.
	Uh frankly, this isn't surprising to me.
	It it would have been shocking years ago.
	Indeed.
	But we see that every single time something like this happens, uh, that this is the way these people, if I have to call them that, react.
	And the fact is that what makes this seem even worse and even more brutal is that we have all seen the video.
	I saw the video.
	I'm I'm of the generation that grew up with live link leaks, I never watched any live leaks.
	So I'm aware of what that was like and desensitizing many people around my age, but I always Avoided it because I knew I didn't have the stomach for it.
	Seeing the up close footage of what happened to Charlie Kirk and knowing that his family was there to witness it and that his own daughter, scared by the loud noise, ran to him for seeking comfort, and he was presumably already dead by that point.
	That is one of the worst things I've ever seen in my entire life.
	And the fact that there are people out there who can see that and not have any stirring of emotion other than glee, other than some kind of rabid joy at how uh how this has happened, they can watch that video with a smile on their face.
	It is sickening, and these people, everybody celebrating this, they are evil.
	They need consequences to come to them.
	And this is where I'm sure you're going with this segment, but this is where we do have to pile on to these people.
	We need to organise very mundane administrative style campaigns against them.
	If they are employed, contact their employers.
	If they are part of a larger group like a development team, for instance, if the development team aren't willing to drop them, contact the publishers, put pressure on the publishers, remove your pre-orders, get them dropped from the publishers.
	If they have some kind of outside investment, try to contact the investment, try and get them to pull the investment.
	Do anything, even something as mundane as putting complaints in, a mass complaints organization uh organized campaign can actually jam up a company very, very easily.
	These people need to know that there are practical and financial consequences to their actions because what we are seeing is encouragement and incitement of political violence, and we don't want this to escalate.
	Can I just repeat one line of that?
	When the shot went off, Charlie's daughter was scared by the noise and she ran to her daddy.
	And people are celebrating that.
	Yeah, they are.
	So uh also um as to what you were saying, Harry, Asmogold made a very good video on this.
	I'm not gonna play it now, but I would encourage people to to go watch it where he goes through the types of people that you described.
	Um but then I also wanted to talk about not just the reaction in America, but I also want to focus on the reaction here in Britain as well.
	And the reason that I want to do that is that because many of the uh talking heads in the legacy media and the swamp, Britain's own swamp, uh very much downplaying the they're going for the the line, why are we talking about this here in Britain?
	Right?
	What does this have to do with Britain?
	He was an American activist killed in America, and uh we'll certainly get back to a few rebuffs on that.
	Just uh very quickly, uh someone in the super chats uh school kid has told us that there is breaking news that I've just verified.
	According to the BBC, Donald Trump has stated that there is uh they've had this manhunt going on for the killer.
	They said they think they have him, they believe that they have with a high degree of certainty, the shooter in custody is what is what I'm reading right now.
	Well, that's something.
	It is.
	And uh it does appear that they really hope it's true.
	They've been following up the images that had been released.
	Uh so I guess we'll see if 4chan got it right.
	Right, we will, we will.
	Well, that's hope, and that that's something.
	Um you can see here Charlie uh was part of a debate at the Oxford Union, right?
	Well, just the oldest university in in England, and one of like the the foundational pillars of the British education system, just that that sort of um it's the apex, right?
	To go to Oxford is basically the highest education you could have in the United Kingdom, or at least it has been, historically speaking, has been historically speaking, and as you can read here from the article in the telegraph, Oxford Union president who debated with Charlie Kirk, appeared to celebrate the shooting, and just so you can see him, uh UK aesthetics here provides a pr this was a debate.
	He he is at Oxford.
	Yes, and not just at X Oxford They didn't let me in with A B B and that was when A B B actually meant something.
	I checked in the requirements.
	If uh B's seem to be exclusively for like one year foundation courses.
	If you want to to do a full degree, you have to have straight A's, more or less.
	Yeah, coming coming out of college with uh the equivalent of ABB myself, I wouldn't have got in.
	No.
	I wouldn't have expected to get in if I thought, oh, I'll try and find out.
	I wonder what it is.
	I wonder what it is about this guy that they bent the rules in.
	I don't know.
	Yeah.
	Must be something curious question.
	Yeah.
	Curious question.
	Um yeah, I I'd I could say something, but the picture speaks for itself, doesn't it?
	Um but the fact of the matter is that in messages um that were put about all over X because uh the WhatsApp chat leaked, uh Mr Aberonia uh posted Charlie Kirk got shot, let's effing go.
	Uh and in another message he basically stated lol to this news.
	So not only that, because there was a point made in the um the podcast yesterday, and I believe a um a strong one, that for many of these evil people, it's very much abstract.
	They didn't know Charlie in person, they just see a person they hate online who has the wrong opinions.
	But this man looked him in the eye, stood across from him at a table.
	And and they would have had other exchanges before and after, and Charlie would have been entirely courteous like he always is.
	Of course he would have been.
	He would have shaken his hand.
	Yes, he would.
	Yes, he would.
	And yes, as you uh you point out here, Harry, here are his actual grades, so it's a real mystery as to how he ended up being there.
	But what's more, the fact I expect those grades were inflated to begin with.
	But what's more, the fact that he were still, we'll get to that, president elect for the Oxford Union means that clearly his peers had great confidence in him being worthy of such a position as well.
	So it's not just him, so all the people who put him there in the first place.
	And um let's just play this little clip, shall we?
	Because this reveals something more to his character.
	To effectively create change in the world we desire.
	And side prop will argue that at times there is simply nothing else that can be required other than violent retaliation.
	And this is a view I wholeheartedly agree with.
	This view the view that some institutions are too broken, too regressive, too oppressive to be reformed, like cancers of our society.
	They must and they should be taken down by any means necessary.
	By any means necessary.
	I shouldn't have to explain this to the custodians of Oxford University, but that is a call to violence.
	Right?
	That's what that is.
	Plain and simple, plain and simple.
	So how is he as it's dehumanization, it's incitement to violence, and again, if you're watching this and you have any sort of connections to Oxford University, if you used to go there and still support them as um uh what what's the term for it, I always forget when you've finished a university and you continue to support them.
	Either way, if you are in any way financially connected to Oxford University until they sort this out and fix all of the problems that led to someone like this being the president of Oxford University or even being let into the university in the first place, pull out.
	Pull out your financial support.
	If you don't have connections, still email them.
	Put in complaints, make the admins lives living hell.
	But I mean until they actually shouldn't need to.
	But yeah.
	Of course.
	But that's what it comes to, because this is not good enough.
	The Oxford Union would like to unequivocally condemn the reported words and sentiments expressed by President Elect so and so with regards to the passing of Charlie Kirk.
	His reported views do not represent the Oxford Union's current leadership or committee's views.
	The current administration has under President Mousa Haraj, no association with and is entirely independent from his administration.
	In alignment with the statement published by our society earlier today, we reaffirm our stance at the Oxford Union, firmly opposes all forms of political violence and strongly stands by our commitment to free speech And considerate debate.
	We would like to reiterate that our condolences lie with Charlie Kirk's family, especially his wife and young children who are enduring such terrible grief.
	Right, so no consequences then.
	No, it doesn't no, nothing seemingly related.
	And what's more as well, right?
	It's you can't be someone who stands up there and has a debate if you just reveal that actually your your darkest wishes actually just to have a lot of people.
	Right, stalling to the assassination.
	A very good way to put it.
	And because really all of this seems to be bound up in the fact that these people can't seem to get their heads around the fact that Charlie was a bridge, right?
	And a moderate voice and someone willing to have these conversations.
	And so when Ash Sarkas says, I think Charlie Kirk died by the code that he lived by.
	No, he didn't.
	No, he didn't, Ash.
	His code was debate.
	Famously.
	Right.
	He never called for political violence against any of his opponents, and my God did he have them, right?
	But he never called for that.
	And because the fact of the matter is that Charlie's Charlie's sword was his debating skills, and it was sharper and it was more precise and it was more effective than anything that these people can muster.
	And so it's a total mischaracterization of who he was.
	And yes, as Firas says the code he lived by was dialogue over violence.
	Then we get on to the news agents, right?
	And you have Lewis Goodall here, and I'm not going to play the clip, but he basically just says the idea that Charlie Kirk was murdered for espousing common sense mainstream views is nonsense.
	Lewis, a quick question.
	Of the two factions in the United States, which one currently holds the presidency?
	Oh, it's the one that Charlie was in favour of.
	Right?
	So actually, it's not that his p views were perfectly mainstream, and Lewis is in there dodgering about saying, Oh, can you give me the statistics?
	Can you give me the statistics?
	The fact that the Republicans are in charge, and Charlie put a great deal of effort into putting them in power in the first place by involving himself with young people across.
	Right.
	Indeed.
	Indeed.
	So then so again, with with all of these people, so for instance, with the Oxford Students Union, you can go onto the Oxford Student Union website and you can fill in a complaints form.
	A few thousand of those might make their lives a bit more inconvenient, perhaps inconvenient enough to say maybe we shouldn't have this guy in charge.
	If they choose to ignore their responsibilities to handle complaints within a timely and efficient manner, or they don't give you a response that you think is uh warranted by the complaint that you've put in, if you don't think that they've looked into it fairly, uh, you can then take it further to their regulator.
	And it appears from what I'm seeing here that student unions in the UK are regulated as charities by the charity commission.
	So at that point you can escalate it further to regulators or independent ombudsmen, and again, you can try to get some kind of consequences on these people.
	I don't know if it's the same with student unions, but when I used to work in insurance, if a complaint was escalated past the company to the ombudsman, even getting to the ombudsman meant that they would immediately incur a 500 pound fine.
	If there's anything like that as consequences for student unions, student unions' budgets aren't that big.
	So a few of those coming their way can immediately tank their finances.
	So that's just some suggestions of what you as an organized group can do.
	And it'll be the same for uh television broadcasters, radio broadcasters, you can complain to them, and then you can go to Ofcom and you can continually do this process.
	Uh this is one of the ways in which people have been able to get actual change done on a minor scale, which is that the left has always been far more organized in actually Going through official channels.
	If we can do the same, even if it's only small, um perhaps perhaps we can have some kind of minor consequences on these people.
	It won't be as satisfying as uh some of the other processes that people want to see, but that's that's what you can do as a normal person.
	Indeed.
	You have Adam Bolton here.
	Can't believe all this media coverage of Charlie Kirk.
	It's America's issue, not the UK.
	Put a pin in it.
	Then we have Sangita.
	Sky News is all wall to wall Charlie Kirk.
	The implications of the story is significant, but the scale of UK coverage is questionable questionable.
	I would just like to say, if I draw us back to uh this chap here, right?
	I seem to recall in 2020, uh there was someone died uh in Minnesota of a far less reputable character than Charlie.
	And not only were we not told to can keep that issue contained to America, but we were told that because of this, we had to basically upturn every single institution across the West.
	Well, no, not only that, the headers locked up at home.
	Yeah.
	And that was overturned so that they could have the scenes of the police kneeling to the demonstrators.
	Right.
	And it's that sort of thing that that people like him, who are entirely unworthy of the position they hold into it in the first place.
	Not saying it started there, but it certainly escalated it.
	And so this whole thing of, well, what relevance is it to us?
	Oh, it's completely relevant.
	And I can show you here as well.
	You have this TikTok.
	Um you can read those words.
	It's right.
	These people who celebrate what happened to Charlie are not alien and isolated to America.
	They exist here as well.
	There is a strong faction within the United Kingdom that would freakish, spiteful mutants.
	Yes.
	That would wish the most unpleasant harm, final harm, on any of us.
	Any of us, right?
	It's one thing with um sorry.
	And so look at this here as well.
	So Jeremy Clarkson said, for the first time in my life, I'm genuinely frightened about being a newspaper columnist.
	And then you have this apparent comedian said, Well, stop being so objectionable.
	Yes, problem solved.
	Just agree with us, and then we won't have to kill you.
	So you so this is just an admission to terrorism.
	Yes, it is.
	It's a threat.
	Plain and simple, it's a threat, right?
	And it's not the only one.
	You also have this sort of thing uh in the Netherlands as well, uh, liberal politician, words matter, and that exact look.
	Every man knows that look.
	There they're yeah, I mean, from from kindergarten to your HR manager, we we know that look.
	Right.
	And that that really is the point.
	That as much as I uh detest, and this is me speaking personally for myself, as much as I detest the things that have happened to us and that we have been forced to endure, and uh certainly obviously much worse in America.
	I don't go around actually just silently wishing for the death of my enemies, or verbally wishing for the death of my enemies, in fact.
	I wish for jokes.
	It's true, no matter how much I egg him on.
	As a joke.
	I uh I I I can confirm your earlier point.
	I I'm looking at footage now of Trump on going on Fox and Friends in person, and he's talking about having a man in custody, and the quote from Trump is I think with a high degree of certainty Samson.
	I think with a high degree of certainty, we have him.
	That's uh similar to the reporting that I was seeing.
	Hopefully they've got the right guy, and hopefully he can be swiftly punished.
	High degree of certainty, apparently.
	And just playing.
	Any updates on the suspect?
	Yeah.
	Uh can I always say uh I think just to protect us all, and so Fox doesn't get sued, and we all don't get sued and everything else, but I think uh with a high degree of certainty, we have him.
	In custody, okay.
	In custody, uh everyone did a great job.
	We worked with the local police, the governor, everybody did a great job.
	You know, uh getting somebody that you start off with absolutely nothing.
	We started off with a clip that made up look like an ant that was almost useless.
	We just saw it was somebody up there.
	And uh so much work has been done over the last two and a half days.
	You know, it's amazing actually when you start off with that, and then all of a sudden you uh you get lucky or talent or whatever it is, but uh yeah, we're I think we're in great shape.
	He's in custody.
	Great news.
	Very good news.
	Very good news.
	I will just quickly like to return to this point here as well, because as we here at the Lotus Seaters, um, very consistent on we personally believe that politically people like Nigel are actually soft touches, right?
	They're moderates.
	Captain Weak Source.
	Right.
	Right.
	We say this all the time.
	But we don't wish for this.
	Right?
	We don't wish for this on anyone whatsoever.
	And it's the fact that these people can't tell the difference between someone who's on the moderate right or further along it, right?
	Well, they can be just see they're completely ignorant of us.
	They don't care about the minutiae, they don't care about the nuance of political philosophy or who cares about what they all they care about is the fact that you're not one of them, and that basically gives you license for whatever to be d whatever can be done to you, should be done to you.
	Well, it's been said many times.
	They have come up with this formula, which is that um Nazis are the worst people who ever lived.
	Nazis deserve to die.
	Yeah.
	I'm going to call you a Nazi, therefore you deserve to die.
	Yes.
	There you go.
	And so you have Rupert here saying, um very uh truly seeing the reaction to Charlie Kirk's death from some on the British left.
	I have no doubt that many will cheer if an MP on our side of politics got knifed in the street.
	It's been utterly disgusting and incredibly revealing of what these people really think of us.
	Grim.
	It is.
	Um I think Rupert's right there, and I don't think he um understates the gravity of it either, to be honest with you.
	I think he's exactly on it.
	And as Carl says here, the reaction to Charlie Kirk's view from the British commentariat reveals not how extreme Kirk was, but how liberal they are, or how communist they are.
	Sequestered away in their echo chambers, never speaking to the right.
	They can't believe what they're hearing, but those views got Trump elected, right?
	And it's totally true.
	So yeah, it's uh it's not just America as well, though I grant it's clearly even more volatile over there.
	And um again, I could only just say how deeply sorry I am to Charlie's family and all the people that he loved and loved him because this should have never happened, and it's truly terrible.
	Yeah.
	Um guys watching, we we've had I mean, thank you so much.
	We've had so much support over the last 24 hours and so many super chats have come in.
	We can't po we just can't possibly get through them all.
	Uh but we are gonna do a lads hour after this, and we're gonna be talking about spiteful mutants, and we're gonna try and get through as many of the comments as we can.
	Yeah, we're gonna try and catch it.
	But by all means, by all means, if there's any one you want to pick out now, but otherwise we try and get to them in the Lad Zour this afternoon.
	I'll just go through uh one or two here from the rumble rants for uh ten dollars thank you.
	We've got JM Denton says they will lie about you after murdering you, uh talking our way to unity with such people is a fairy tale.
	And you also have um uh Rye Lyon says, I didn't know the detail about his daughter running to him at the noise the rest of the day.
	It's heartbreaking that bit, heartbreaking.
	It's it is uh yeah.
	Yeah.
	As a as a father myself, uh with a daughter who's a seems to be a similar age, um after seeing the footage of what happened, and yeah, there was all the talk of whether he was gonna make it or not, but I knew you know when I saw the up close footage that I'd seen him a man die crushing.
	Um then immediately after seeing the video of his wife and daughter surprising him on set and the way that she ran up to him.
	That's that's how my daughter reacts to me when she sees me come home.
	Um broke a little bit of me, honestly.
	And that's why uh of the super chats that we've had from YouTube, I just wanted to quickly highlight one.
	Uh and this is something that I see a lot, even now.
	Uh it's from T Bone is gaming, and I understand the sentiment that comes from this, and it's five pounds, so thank you for that.
	Saying, guys, I understand your anger in vitriol.
	Not trying to be angry or vitriolic, I'm trying to be cool and level-headed with all of this, frankly, much more cool and level headed um than you should be expected to be, but yeah, we've got standards to maintain.
	But we shouldn't judge them or stoop to their level.
	Matthew 7 verse 1 through 6.
	Now, um, I do claim a right to judge these people when what that when how they behave is so reprehensible, and we are not stooping to their level.
	Nobody here is advocating any form of violence that would be stooping to their level.
	But for all of these people who have overstepped the bounds of polite civilization and are going around cheering from official positions from institutionally sanctioned positions, they are breaking rules, they are breaking rules which we can use to our advantage.
	Otherwise, we're going to sit around and whine and complain and do nothing.
	You can't expect the system to change itself if you just do that.
	You can't expect action to happen independent of you like a magical force.
	Even though, you know, God exists and is a force in the world, we act as the agents of God.
	Therefore, if there is any way that you can inconvenience these people or have them face real consequences, get them fired, get their funding pulled, make it so they're unemployable in whatever field that they're in, so that they know that you don't behave like this, then we'll absolutely do it.
	That's not asking for violence, that's not doing the same sort of thing that happened to Charlie.
	That's playing by the rules in the only way that we can order.
	Anyway, let's move on.
	Um let's talk about Brazil.
	I'm afraid I'm gonna have a uh I'm gonna run a massive black pill down your throat now.
	Um, but then I've got a little dessert red pill at the end.
	I'm gonna do I'm gonna throw in a little bit of a pool at the end.
	And so I'm gonna I'm gonna depress you and then cheer you up a bit.
	Now the Brazil story, it's it's a story of three characters that I want to pick out.
	Obviously, there's a lot more people involved in that.
	For Western audiences, there's three main characters I want to talk about.
	Um this spiteful little goblin is the first one.
	This is um Lula de Silva.
	Um short chat, there he is, being dwarfed by a by a Chinaman and an Indian.
	Um this horrible little goblin.
	Um I mean, I I'm a journalist, so I have to remain impartial, but you know, this this guy.
	Um who is he?
	Well, um he he he came up through basically being a um strike leader.
	Oh yeah.
	So if you were trying to get something done in Brazil, you know, this guy would toddle up to your belt level and start organizing a protest.
	Um get everything shut down.
	But um, you know, lefties like that sort of thing.
	And um of course he got in he got into politics, and um he actually rose all the way all the way to president on the back of that.
	And his presidency was basically wall-to-wall corruption scandals.
	I mean, I'll I'll take you through some of the scandals.
	Um I'm just and I'm just picking out the top ones here.
	Uh the Mendesalo scandal, uh basically big monthly allowances were being paid in bribes to congressmen in exchange for support.
	So basically his party relied on cash for votes to stay in power.
	The uh Preto and sorry for my pronunciation on this stuff, the Pretro Bras.
	Um that was the car wash was what it got nicknamed over here.
	So basically the executives at this company they skimmed off billions um through government contracts and then funnelled that back to people in his party PT, including Lula personally.
	Uh that was that was probably the biggest scandal.
	Um the triplex apartment case, um, he accepted a um beat a massive beachfront apartment in exchange for contracts.
	Um and it was this one, this particular one that led to his conviction and imprisonment in 2018.
	Um, one of the most corrupt presidents in in Brazilian history.
	That must be quite an achievement by itself.
	It is, it is.
	And given how much we know that the left hate convicted felons.
	I'm sure they were you know funnily enough, it doesn't apply in this case.
	Oh, right, okay.
	Okay.
	Not not with this spiteful little mutant.
	Um so he he had a a 12-year prison sentence imposed, banned from running.
	Um, and um that's when I went to introduce the second character in all of this, Bolsonaro.
	Um somewhat different man.
	Um family man, as as good people tend to be, uh father of five.
	He uh served in the military as an artillery captain before going into politics, he rose through the ranks, he started off in um what was it?
	He started off in in Rio, um, and his whole thing for his whole political campaign was um, and you can see why he's on a collision course with the other guy when I tell you thing, tell you this.
	His whole thing was anti-corruption, law and order and nationalism.
	Sounds like there was quite the mandate for it as well.
	Well, yes, and you know more than one way is a bit of a a head above Lula.
	Yes, in in many ways, in many ways he was above her.
	Um and this guy was absolutely loved by Brazilians.
	In fact, I mean uh you know what it's like in Swindon.
	Um there's a lot of Turkish barbers, none of them are Turkish, but there's a you know what I mean?
	There's a lot of Turkish barbers.
	Sure.
	Um so when I get my hair cut, I mean, presumably there might be a white barber somewhere in Swindon, but I don't know where it is.
	But I there is that okay.
	I I found one.
	Oh, yeah.
	We'll direct you to it next time.
	Well, I actually tend to walk to the other side of town because I found a Brazilian barbers, and I quite like going there because I mean most of the time, you know, obviously I don't want to talk, talk all the bloody time, so I like to sit there in silence.
	But if I fancy a chat, I just I just happen to mention the name Bolsonaro and the room lights up.
	I mean, they go wild for that matter.
	So Brazilian barbers are actually staffed by Brazilians.
	Uh surprisingly, yes.
	Shocking.
	Yeah, it's shocking.
	They they love this man.
	Um and he was kind of seen, I mean, he uh he was painted um the most favourably in Western media as the Brazilian Trump.
	Um, but actually most of the mainstream media just called him a far-right fascist, blah blah blah blah blah blah.
	No, nothing he did was far right or fascist, but um, you know.
	I remember the one time he scared Stephen Fry.
	I didn't know that one.
	Oh, there's a clip that goes around of him sometimes where he's talking with Stephen Fry and he just makes one little gay joke, and then Stephen Fry's voiceover narration was something like it was the most frightening experience I've ever had in my life.
	Bolsonaro's just being really friendly and having a laugh with him, and Stephen Fry is quivering.
	The power of this man.
	Uh I mean imagine living a life where that is the scariest moment in your life.
	That is um that is interesting.
	So anyway, what do the left do um to a popular leader who can't be corrupted?
	Uh well they stab him, of course.
	That's what they do.
	Um so um anyway, normally we can't show this kind of stuff on YouTube, but you you can't actually see the stab wound there.
	That is the moment he is stabbed by a leftist while um being out on the streets during the presidential campaign.
	Sometime later, he he he furnished us with this picture of um um yeah, the the wound and where they opened him up to to try and um to try and deal with it.
	That is something that he has been having to deal with um for some time.
	Now, of course, what happens is um he's an anti-corruption politician, he's a good man.
	Um Brazil has been through um just unbelievable levels of corruption.
	So he wins.
	And um then what happens?
	USAID suddenly decide that they are going to more than double the amount of money that they are sending to Brazil.
	Now we all remember USAID.
	I mean, they've been shut down now.
	I believe they're part of the State Department under Rubio now, aren't they?
	Yeah.
	Um yeah, I think most of it is closed down now because it got closed down under Doge, but um I'm sure there's elements that are still there.
	So this happened um so uh direct US government foreign assistance spending in Brazil underwent a massive surge in the year 2019 to 2023, coinciding with a precise time period of Bolsonaro's time in office.
	The sum of uh such State Departments and US aid funding funneled to Brazil, civil society organisations more than doubled from 32 million to uh 70 million in 2019 as Bolsonaro took office, and you actually get to see uh what that looks like on the chart, you know, aid to Brazil suddenly shoots up.
	Where did that money go?
	What what was going on with that?
	To nationalistic projects.
	Well, one of the things it went into was an absolute boatload of electronic voting machines for the next election.
	Now you may not remember this, but this was at the time that the US was suffering a massive chip shortage.
	In fact, Joe Biden signed the CHIPS Act, the semiconductor shortage, it was causing real problems all over the US.
	So it's a bit odd that the US pressured Taiwan and said that Brazilian micro um uh processor um imports have priority over ours so that they could get built out all of these electronic voting machines.
	Interesting.
	The other thing that a lot of that money went to was building a network for our third character in this story.
	Uh this guy.
	And in why why don't you play the um play the video, Samson?
	Because this this is a little a thing that he had done.
	He likes walking around in this cape like Darth Vader.
	Yeah.
	This is how this man likes to present himself in his cape with a little wind machine.
	This is a shop assistant from Hot Falls.
	In all fairness, we do need to bring capes back.
	You should be our side, though.
	Of course.
	Obviously.
	Indeed.
	Um he's the power behind the throne in Brazil.
	Right.
	Um, here's Mike Benz to do a bit of because Mike Benz is good at this stuff.
	He let's listen to Mike Benz.
	So Brazil has this tyrant judge, De Moraes, right?
	This is the current war between Elon and this, you know, the head of Brazil's censorship court.
	It's called the TSE.
	It's a subcourt of Brazil's Supreme Court, the STF.
	And so a lot of people see the actions of this one tyrant judge who basically has this ability to issue an edict, and then anything anything posted online becomes instantly criminal.
	Sitting parliamentarians in Brazil call the current president Lula, a thief.
	And the judge says, you're not allowed to say that.
	The person faces you know a criminal judgment for for you know demeaning the current the current uh president, going after journalists, going after politicians, going after ordinary civilians by any edict.
	But there's a whole censorship substructure to what de Mores is involved in.
	There's you know it advisory councils, there's there's a whole coterie of flaggers who who propose the things to be flagged, who do then the narrative network mapping who challenges the results of Brazil's 2022 election.
	Well, they need these outside institutions to create this whole narrative network map.
	These are US funded and US backed channel institutions who provide the entire substructure.
	It's a Brazilian spider, but the spider web was laid by the US State Department, USAID, the National Down for Democracy, and go through all the roles, and the fangs of it are star-spangled spangs.
	This is the US trying to take the US State Department trying to take out its political opposition in Brazil.
	They went to war with Bolsonaro, they called him Trump of the Tropics.
	They're waging the same campaign against Bolsonaro that they did through this through their own intermediaries to take out Trump during his term to censor him on the internet there, and that they're using to censor Trump today through their work for the EU.
	They're just doing that in Brazil to stop Bolsonaro.
	So classic USAID, build the infrastructure, you know, multiple uh, you know, parts of the spiders web all at one time to falsify things.
	To fortify, yes, to fortify an election.
	Um meanwhile, Darth Judge here, um he basically he he basically puts the Supreme Court in his pocket.
	Right.
	Anyone appointed go through him and they overturn the Lula conviction, that spiteful little goblin from the beginning.
	They overturn the conviction, and um how they do it is on a technicality uh that they invent, which is to say that the court that um uh did him in for corruption lacked jurisdiction.
	Then how did they do him in for dis corruption in the first place then?
	They didn't address that.
	Oh no, they just sidestepped that.
	We're not gonna look at any of that.
	We're just gonna say that the court didn't have jurisdiction, therefore he's out, therefore he can run for president.
	Um, And therefore, uh, and also they were pushing the electronic voting machines.
	Um would you believe it that that election took quite a while to process?
	After religion initially looking like a slam dunk for Bolsonaro, there were some regularities in areas where this guy had the most control.
	And would you believe it?
	Um the rural regions from far off, they had extraordinary turnouts, extraordinary turnouts, and um a lot of the late votes found in the voting machines were actually for Lula.
	I would believe that.
	Funny enough, so Lula won by something like it was like 49.8% to 50.2%.
	It was it was something ridiculous like that.
	So he then goes off and does a whole bunch of um other you know things.
	Um judicial overreach um is a good one.
	So basically he he was blocking Bolsonaro and his supporters' um social media accounts, uh aggressively enforcing misinformations during the election campaign.
	Um he was banned from posting many things as were his supporters.
	Uh Lula's conviction was overturned uh on technicality.
	Um multiple um legal investigations and rulings against Bolsonaro while he's trying to campaign.
	Uh Lula faced none of those, obviously.
	Um, the margin of error is actually 50.9 to 40 49.1.
	Um, and this was after lengthy delays and lots of questions about these voting machines.
	And interestingly, Western media um absolutely went to bat for Lula.
	Um and anybody questioning the vote was was anti-democratic.
	I think there might have even been a period on YouTube when you could it was against their terms of service to question the Brazilian election.
	I think that that was lumped in with a number of the elections that you weren't allowed to question, probably still aren't.
	Uh no, I think that I think they had taken that off now.
	You you can even question the the Joe Biden one.
	Um that it's not relevant anymore.
	Yeah, it's um yeah, great great terms of service.
	So um after this um interesting election, Brazil erupted.
	Um a lot of people saw it for what it was, and um we had what the West described as Brazil's um Jan 6, where huge numbers of them gathered in the capital, and of course they did the same thing crackdowns, solitary confinement, all that kind of stuff.
	Um this is where, however, Bolsonaro did let himself down a bit, and this is the actual actual route of the downfall.
	This is where the famous KFC picture comes from.
	This is this I'm gonna show you the KFC picture.
	So he he was in Florida at the time, um, and there were Brazilians, you know, outside his house, um, you know, there begging him to act.
	There were millions on the streets in in Rio begging him to act.
	Um now now to be perfectly fair to the man, there were lots of ongoing health issues, so you know that's why he was in Florida getting treatment.
	They did get stabbed, so yeah, and it's and it's never quite it's never quite healed.
	Um there were complications with that.
	But the classic photo is of when you know the military were no doubt saying to him, We can act, we can do something.
	Um he was pictured in KFC eating a KFC.
	He didn't he didn't cross the Rubicon.
	No.
	It was the baton was offered to him and he didn't take it.
	And he was like, No, I'm gonna do it.
	Rule of law, yeah, of course they cheated, but um, you know, we have we have to maintain at least the appearance of democracy.
	But he could he he could have done something.
	There was the popular will, there was the military support, but he didn't do it.
	The moment he was out of office and the election was over, um the Supreme Court launched multiple more investigations.
	Um they launched investigations for abuse of political power, attack on democracy, plotting a coup, discussions of military officials, and I don't doubt those those conversations took place, but it would have been the the military guy saying, Are we gonna we we're ready to act, and him saying no.
	That that was probably the level of the conversation.
	So they barred him from office until 2030, um, and they've uh pursued um claims of coup and conspiracy and you know, other generals are being targeted as well.
	And then remarkably, um, recently, after a major surgery To deal with the ongoing complications with his stomach wound.
	While he was in the ICU, he got served papers from the Supreme Court.
	And they so they waited for this moment, then they served these papers, and they did it with a minimum possible lead time of like five days or something before the trial was going to be held.
	Um that is un even in Brazil, that is unprecedented that that that sort of thing has happened.
	So news out that is in Portuguese, so um let me let me translate for you.
	Um former president Jar Bolsonaro was um predictably convicted today in a perfectly uh constructed partial group of Supreme Court justices um in a in a in a in a 4-1 vote and is sentenced to 27 years and three months, and it's gonna be in one of the worst of the worst prisons in Brazil, the place where people get murdered daily.
	That's where they're gonna stick him.
	And yes, that evil judge.
	Yes, he was on the panel.
	Of course he was.
	Um he picked a five-man panel as a subset of the Supreme Court to hold this trial.
	Um, and even though he picked the people who went on it, two of them couldn't bring themselves to do it, they abstained.
	One of them voted because this trial was a sham.
	One of them voted against, but him and another guy voted for, and therefore three uh two to one.
	That's it, 27 years jail.
	And clearly this was a show trial, absolute show trial.
	This is what total left wing victory looks like.
	It's assassinations, it's corruptions, it's uh partisan courts, it's political jailings, um, and he's even got a bit of USAID uh deep state involvement in there as well.
	This is this is what could have happened in the US.
	And we in fact we were close to this.
	They were trying to put Trump in jail.
	They tried to assassinate him.
	This this is Brazil is simply the US on a slightly different timeline.
	Except with the added thing that it's got a bit of US deep state involvement, which is why I was pleased to see that Marco Rubio has come out this morning.
	Uh to say what's he saying, the political persecution by sanctioned human rights abuser, um, this Judge Morales uh continues um as he and others on the Brazilian Supreme Court have unjustly ruled to imprison former President Bolsonaro, the United States will respond accordingly to this witch hunt.
	Good.
	Okay, yeah, good.
	Now, you know, it it it was the Biden administration, not the Trump administration who did this to Bolsonaro in the first place.
	But to be fair, US, if you broke it, you need to fix this.
	Um I know that 90% of your effort needs to be on addressing domestic issues, especially at the time like this.
	Um but all the same, you you have a uh big overseas uh part of your government, and you broke this.
	Um so it does need to be fixed.
	So yep, face of evil in Brazil.
	Now, having thoroughly depressed you with that, now's the time for the good news.
	Um, and and I still honestly can't quite believe this myself.
	Okay, right.
	So you know the Napoleon in Nepal, yeah, Zoomers.
	Well, so basically the government shut down social media, right?
	And the Zoomers are like, we're not having this.
	And this was a far left government from what I've read.
	Yeah.
	So so the Zoomers, after they banned social media, they overthrew the government, and then they had a vote on Discord for real for real.
	No cap.
	And the Nepalese military have accepted the vote.
	I mean, based.
	This whole story is completely insane.
	It is, and it makes me think that this might be why we don't get cracked down on as hard on social media as they otherwise could, or clearly want to.
	Because there is very clear at this point that um it's been commented following the murder of Charlie Kirk that social media can and does act as a release valve for people's energy, and they see something like this, which proves that oh god, if we get rid of the whole thing, people won't just be complaining, they'll start to go underground, meet in their local pubs and organise acts.
	Well that's why Stan's trying to shut down the pubs as well.
	Oh, yeah.
	Right, and if this isn't good enough, and I'm just tagging it on to the end of the segment because this was a bit too, and I wanted to cover Brazil, it's a bit too soon.
	I'm sure I'm sure somebody will pick up his mantle on Monday.
	Um, if this isn't good enough, they've been tearing down the flag of Nepal on government buildings and replacing it and replacing it with a flag from Japanese anime.
	Yeah, that's one piece right there.
	Is Nepal a particularly big fan of One Piece?
	So they must be.
	I did overhear in the office some conversation that apparently the government was also trying to do something to ban anime, presumably One Piece.
	So was this literally the thing that we live at it?
	Yeah, yeah.
	I understand neither Zoomers nor anime.
	Um so I I can't I can't come on this.
	Well, this is the thing that you were talking about with AA on his channel yesterday.
	What happens if you get rid of the release valve and then get rid of the circuses and bread is exceedingly hard to come by?
	Well, yes, quite this.
	But let me let me tell you my politics now, right?
	So obviously, down with the boomers.
	That's a given.
	Right?
	Skip the gen X, skip my generation, and honestly, we're fine.
	We're fine with that because we always knew that we were gonna get skipped over skipped over that the boomers were gonna hang on by the fingernails.
	Um the millennials, um, when they start going on about their BLM and environmentalism, yeah, just okay, millennial, and just shut the door, right?
	Just millennials isn't they're quite easy to deal with.
	What we want is the Zoomer revolution.
	I want the zoomer revolution.
	Well, Daniel, vote of confidence is overwhelming, yes.
	We're grateful for it.
	And and and I'm f and and when they come for me, and and they and they put and they put me in the I'm gonna I'm still gonna be fine with it.
	I'm gonna be that like that guy in in Monty Pie from the Life of Brian, who's hanging on the wall, going, Oh, Zoomers, wonderful people.
	They only hung me they only hung me the right way up last week, but you're wonderful people.
	You're just in there dressed like an anime character, yes.
	Zoomers make this happen.
	Surprisingly positive message to end out.
	That is make this happen, imprison me, Zoomers, imprison me.
	Shall we go over some of the super chats and rumble rants relevant to this set of things?
	Yeah, that won't fit into our other one.
	Yes.
	So uh Hapsification, the flag is of the straw hat pirates from One Piece.
	Yes, I thought I recognised it.
	Cranky Texan, according to Ben Soros, has made something like 250 million dollars as a result of Lula's green energy mandates.
	There's a motive, that's certainly part of it.
	Um we've mentioned how they've got the guy who shot Charlie according to Trump.
	Uh let's see on the YouTube chats.
	Bring back Captain Darling's Tash.
	The first one, the first one that we have noticed.
	Very sorry.
	Uh I was on the way to work this morning and it fell off.
	So I will retrace my steps.
	Rentico was right on it.
	Looking and gutter, and if I come in to work on Monday and it's still not there, you'll know I couldn't find it to stick back on.
	So do apologize.
	Rob says I'm beginning to think that you're scared of addressing super chats, and you the podcast of Lotus Eaters has Ofcom cast its eye upon you.
	It's nothing to do with that, it's simply the volume of super chats that we've had over yesterday and today.
	Uh it would take a podcast in itself to cover most of them, which is the first one.
	Well, and that's why we're doing that's why we're doing it loud.
	That's why we're going to do it.
	Uh word is Trump is going to use Rico on Soros.
	Uh that would be very entertaining, but the man is in his like 90s, so who knows if he'd even face any consequences.
	Still not a reason not to do it, though.
	Uh Trump said on Fox they found the assassin.
	We have mentioned that.
	Uh Zell, some shekels for Captain Darling to regrow the mustache, looks wrong without it.
	You understand that he the first few appearances he made on the podcast were Sans mustache.
	He only grew that when he was.
	This is how I've worked most of my life, apart from the past four months, so I don't know what to tell you.
	Yeah, and he looks fine either way.
	Uh and let's see if there are any other.
	Okay, this is it seems those are the ones relevant to the cis uh to the uh subject we just covered, so we'll move on to the final segment.
	So it was overshadowed earlier on this week, given the subsequent events of Charlie Kirk's assassination on Wednesday, but on Tuesday in the House Oversight Committee that's looking into the whole Epstein affair and the Government and FBI and CIA,
	any kind of elite institutional involvement into it, there was a drop of documents, and there have been further developments even since then, which have all led to Peter Mandelson being ousted from the UK government again.
	This is the third time that it has happened to him.
	With reference to the Epstein story, I want to preface all of this by saying I do not expect.
	You can correct me if I'm wrong on this, but I do not expect that there will be anything more than a few sacrificial lambs thrown to the slaughter as a result of the oversight committee.
	Because it does seem to be a story that involves basically all of the most important heads of state that we've seen pass through the US um uh US offices of the uh past 20 years, if not 30, 40 years, many of the intelligence agencies who are actually the government of the world, and they're not going to give themselves up.
	You're not going to get a written statement from them all saying, here is exactly what happened.
	Here is all the people who were involved in it, and here is how we are going to punish them.
	What we are going to get is dribs and drabs of new information that might even end up becoming almost like the slop cycle.
	It might just be like, oh, here's some more added information regarding the Epstein story that doesn't really go anywhere, especially if you believe like me that whatever happened to the Epstein operation, is that it's moved on.
	It's still going on, and there has simply been a replacement Epstein put in place that none of us have ever heard of.
	Maybe we have heard of him, but we just don't know that it's him.
	These kinds of affairs always go on with the intelligence communities.
	Blackmailing material is always being gathered by them for one reason or another, and they need somebody in charge of that.
	Despite that, though, the new information that we get is always interesting in putting together the wider story, as journalists like Whitney Webb have done.
	And anything extra that we can get can expand our understanding of who is involved in it.
	So while I'm not expecting, you know, the United States government to indict the entire CIA and then start to try and extradite other foreign criminals in foreign intelligence agencies, whether that be MI6 or Mossad or any of the other ones that Epstein would have been in close contact with, it is still important to see what has been developed developing.
	Before I go into the drop of documents from Tuesday, one interesting thing that I sadly missed last time I covered part of this story was this reason article which went over leaked emails where they found that Epstein, towards in the last four years of his life, was making inroads into security technology.
	Particularly that he had partnered with the former Israeli Prime Minister Ehud Barak.
	Bear in mind this is in 2015, seven years after his 2008 conviction for on a charges of human trafficking and inappropriate contact with minors, some up to the uh some as young as 14 years old.
	Ehud Barak was still willing to work with him as a partner, investing in a security tech startup called Reporty Homeland Security, now known as Carbine.
	The leaked emails, which some of which feature in here show that there was a number of times where they were trying to get contact with and meetings set up with Peter Thiel.
	Peter Thiel has addressed this and said that he had met Epstein kind of informally a number of times, but that he wasn't fully aware of who he was speaking to at the time.
	So kind of an evasion of all of that.
	So that's just some of the information that came out a few weeks ago as a reported by Reason.
	But the big thing that happened was that the Oversight Committee released all of these documents.
	I have not read over all of them myself.
	There are four drops, which include documents, uh financial documents, agreements that he'd made, a lot of official writings that uh had his signature on it.
	But the big one that people were looking at was the elusive birthday files, the 50th birthday book from 2003, which was 238 pages long, and featured written and typed messages and signed typed messages from many people that he had been involved with in the preceding years, up until he was 50.
	Of course.
	And there is some very interesting stuff here.
	There was lots of photographs, including one that you can see here where he's holding a large check.
	A lot of the information has been redacted to save the identities of some of the women who were involved.
	This is a pay to Jeffrey Epstein signed to Donald Trump for 22,000 uh 22,500.
	Very strange developments there.
	If I carry on with this, they appear to include messages from the likes of Donald Trump and the UK ambassador to Washington, then UK ambassador to Washington, Lord Peter Mandelson.
	The one from Trump, if it loads, is this going to load, Samson.
	Here it is.
	Appears to be.
	Now Trump has denied that this was written by him and denied that this is his signature.
	And uh, but it says, voiceover, there must be more to life than having everything.
	Donald, yes, there is, but I won't tell you what it is.
	It's written in some kind of strange dialogue.
	It essentially ends with uh a pal is a wonderful thing, happy birthday, and may every day be another wonderful secret, and it is drawn within the outline of a nude woman.
	Very strange, but nothing too incriminating by itself, just very strange.
	It's well known at this point that they had been friends for about 15 years by 2003, and that it was around that time that they ended up having a fallout as a result of some uh wires getting crossed over the both of them trying to outbid each other on some townhouse they were both looking at.
	Some of the more interesting stuff in here as well, though, is that there is an extended selection of pages written by Peter Mandelson, including photographs, where he essentially writes him a really loving little story where he says that how he parachuted into his life, and you were a man of mystery who gave me so many interesting opportunities and introduced me to so many interesting friends that I had to entertain.
	Uh sometimes you that is a picture of Peter Mandelson, by the way.
	Interesting for interesting is in is in commas, interesting friends.
	What I mean, what does that refer to?
	I guess we'll have to figure it out ourselves.
	That'll be up to speculation because nothing in here is explicitly in.
	That's two friends talking in code about something you're not supposed to talk about.
	Yes.
	It certainly is.
	And uh it ends with saying that uh you would parachute back in, taking you by surprise, and no matter what happens, you take me to my eye to your islands and hang out with his friends, which has in brackets yum yum.
	Very strange thing to include there.
	And uh, but wherever he is in the world, he remains my best pal.
	So Peter Mandelson was a massive dirty Can I say it?
	Uh I think it well it would be it would be defamation.
	I don't know if you could say it.
	The producer is giving me the thumbs.
	I can't say Okay, somebody somebody in the chat say what I'm thinking.
	We all know what you're trying to say, Dan, so carry on.
	But it is it is interesting that Epstein was friends with so many people, going all the way up to the highest halls of power within British government, American government.
	There's an included message from uh seemingly signed by former president Bill Clinton, which references Epstein's childlike curiosity.
	Basically, uh everything in here seems to be referencing sexuality of some form, uh, in a very pervy and disturbing way.
	As well as the birthday book, the documents released includes Epstein's will, his contact books, agreements he signed with prosecutors and financial transactions and holdings.
	One of the most disturbing things that I saw in here, which again seems to suggest that everybody in here, or at least a significant number of people in this book, knew what was actually going on, is if I can find it scrolling down, a particular illustration drawn as though it was by a child.
	Where is it?
	Here it is.
	Look at this, Dan.
	Here is a picture drawn of a younger Epstein in 1983 handing out lollipops to small girls, and then in 2003, presumably those same girls, all in various stages of nudity, giving him a massage on the beach.
	Um they're rubbing it in your face.
	They never expected this to come out, and this was sketched in the book.
	But it's clear they all knew what was going on, they just didn't say.
	I don't know if this could be this could be more explicit, but it doesn't need to be more explicit.
	That was very obvious people were signing.
	Yes.
	Again, Donald Trump has denied that it's his actual signature when I believe it was the Wall Street Journal referenced this and found a letter and said that it was a part of this birthday book, which was initially denied to have existed.
	I believe that is why he is currently taking legal action against them for slander or defamation of some kind.
	So that is the line that is being said right now.
	But anybody who did knowingly sign this is very, very suspect if they were also aware that there were images like this in it, which suggest that everybody knew what Epstein was doing all along.
	Which was trafficking young girls, enticing young girls in, and then taking advantage of them.
	It couldn't be more clear-cut.
	So not only was this not actually real, apparently, but uh it is because we've got it now.
	Right.
	Got the first thing.
	But then the client list as well, that we've been assured is also not real.
	For legal reasons is contact books.
	Oh, contact books.
	For legal reasons, I should point out that um my earlier comments do not suggest that I think that Peter Mandelson was doing anything whatsoever with young girls.
	Or boys, just to be clear.
	And uh one of the other interesting things that uh, for instance, Benny Johnson pointed out is that in some of the documents there was uh scribbles in the margins suggesting he is the boyfriend of blah de blah.
	Don't know if that's Ghilaine Maxwell.
	I don't believe Ghillane Maxwell was redacted in any of these, so this must be some other girl who was seeing at the time, saying, We think he works for the CIA.
	And on that, you mentioned Mike Benz in the last segment.
	Mike Benz has also highlighted this and then highlighted that uh one of the usual things that the CIA does is that if the media report on anybody as having had connections with the CIA, they will run a name trace because of course not everybody in the CIA is going to be aware of everybody who's running particular operations for them at any one time, but it will always be in a database somewhere.
	And back in July 17th, he looked and found that there has been no CIA name trace done on Jeffrey Epstein because you can find information on who has been name traced by them, and now by the time he was posting this on the 9th of September, still nothing.
	The CIA seem very uninterested in how involved in their own operations Jeffrey Epstein may or may not have been, and that's one of the other reasons that again, I'm not expecting there to be some gigantic indictment of the intelligence agencies come off of the end of this.
	The Oversight Committee, independent as they may be, simply will not have the power to overthrow one of the most imp it important and powerful agencies in the entire world.
	The intelligence agencies, whether again, whether that be MI6, CIA, Mossad, whoever, seem to have a blank check to do whatever they want and have done for years.
	You could say it goes back to JFK.
	And again, I expect that there were multiple intelligence agencies involved in that whole operation.
	There was also something else that came out, which was around the same time Mike Johnson had said that uh Trump was actually an FBI informant on the Epstein case, and people were reporting on that, but he has since walked back those comments, saying that he didn't know if he used the right word.
	I said FBI informant, I'm not sure I wasn't there.
	So that was a nothing burger.
	That was a nothing burger.
	The next thing that came of all of this was that more information was released about Peter Mandelson.
	And just to remind you all of who Peter Mandelson is, he was one of the trio, the three amigos who formed the new Labour government with Blair at its head in 1997.
	He was the guy who I believe since 1985 had been The director of their communications.
	He was their PR guy.
	He built the new Labour image and framework.
	So he was one of the major reasons that we got Blair in 97 in the first place.
	And remember what he said was that they uh back in 2004, I believe, sent out search parties to get immigrants to come into this country.
	Yes.
	And it's in the same article that we get the very famous quote that Andrew Nether, a former advisor, said that uh the mass immigration policy was designed to rub the right's nose in diversity.
	So that's the kind of quality of character we're talking about.
	I remember Peter Mandelson from the time, right?
	And I remember watching a documentary before Labour got into power where Peter Mandelson he had a mustache back then, but it fell off as well.
	He had a mustache back then.
	And he's in this documentary, he's taking the BBC through his place, and he's complaining about how poor he is and about how he's got rising damp coming up his walls and stuff like that.
	After about four years of being in government, he had to resign for the first of about three times, I think, um, over scandals if he kept on buying multi-million pound properties.
	So quite the turnaround on a minister's salary to go from complaining about how poor you are to getting involved in multiple scandals scandals for um multi-million pound property purchases.
	I d I don't know how that happened.
	Twice, this is now the third time.
	The first time, I think was in the first year of Labour getting in, and it turned out that he had accepted a loan so that he could buy a house of over 350,000 pounds and hadn't declared it.
	And the next one was much bigger, I remember.
	Yes, it was a lot bigger.
	And then he was forced to resign and then was straight back in government the year after in 99.
	Yep.
	He he's been sacked a lot for his behaviour.
	But he always gets back in, and we'll see if this latest sacking ends up sticking or not, because this one ties it all together back to Epstein, where it reveals that Peter Mandelson had a very, as we know now, from the birthday book, had a very close relationship with Epstein.
	That was going back to 2003.
	So the latest all of that information from the birthday book would relate to is to 2003.
	We now have information through leaked emails from an old closed email address that Bloomberg and the son were able to get a hold of, that this relationship carried on until potentially at least 2013, which again, like Ehud Barak being friends with him in 2015, starting business deals with him.
	2013 is five years after his original conviction.
	So that goes to show the kind of character that we're talking about here.
	So according to this article, Bloomberg News obtained more than 100 previously unreported emails between Epstein and Mandelson from 2005 through to 2010, casting new light on the relationship between the two.
	In an interview, because of course this news got out ahead.
	Here's some more of the images that were released from the from the book.
	They sporadically put a few of these emails out through this.
	They've uh retyped them up.
	So this is one from 2008 when he was going through his original conviction, saying to from Peter Mandelson to Jeffrey Epstein saying, Reminder, you're fighting back, so you need strategy, strategy, strategy.
	Remember the art of war.
	There's more of those dotted throughout here as well.
	Let's see if I can find another one.
	Uh oh, this one was through 2005, where Mandelson was asking, uh, where are you going to the island at Christmas?
	I'm having trouble getting air tickets.
	What are your plans and do I fit into them?
	We don't know exactly which island that he's referring to, because Epstein owned a few, but I don't imagine that much good happened on any of them.
	Uh number of photos.
	Here's uh 2006.
	Jeffrey Epstein male friend, clearly Mandelson, on Island.
	Here's one 2006.
	I find it impossible to believe this is from Epstein to Mandelson.
	But the district attorney said yesterday that he'd got the facts wrong.
	So they were in constant close contact with this.
	About it all, Mandelson tried to come out ahead of the story on Wednesday morning in an interview with the Sun, expressing remorse for his relationship, saying, I have a tremendous sense of regret, not only that I met him in the first place, but that I continued the association and I took at face value the lies that he had fed me and many others.
	So he was just convinced by Epstein's legendary charisma that this is.
	This isn't a casual relationship in the slightest.
	No, no, no.
	No, this is a very, very close relationship.
	This is uh best pal.
	He put it in his own words.
	Yeah, he said he was he knew that these emails were going to come out and they're going to be embarrassing.
	After Bloomberg approached Mandelson seeking comment, the pub some published numerous excerpts from the emails and reported that Mandelson did not dispute the veracity of the messages.
	So he knows he has not claimed that there is anything that is a lie in here that has been made up.
	Mandelson has not said anything to refute the accuracy of these emails.
	So here's one of the most interesting ones.
	The day before Epstein reported to uh Florida jail in June 2008 to begin serving time for soliting soliciting sex from a minor, bear in mind with that conviction, he pled guilty.
	This was not a jury trial in which the amount of evidence was weighed so heavily against him that he was put away by jury or by a judge.
	This was a guilty plea.
	He received an outraged message from a friend anguished at the justice injustice of it all.
	I think the world of you, and I feel hopeless and furious about what has happened, Peter Mandelson wrote.
	I can still barely understand it.
	It just could not happen in Britain.
	And to be fair, that's true, because we don't jail Pedophiles in Britain for some reason.
	Although they barely jailed Epstein, given the sweetheart deal that he was given after Acosta was told that he belonged to intelligence, which we still don't have extra information on the story regarding that.
	Epstein's deal, I believe, commuted his sentence down to I think it was twelve or eighteen months, and he didn't actually have to be at the cell all that often.
	So he wasn't really put in prison, and yet Peter Mandelson still felt absolutely outraged at the grave injustice that had been done to his friend.
	So looking back now, it is bizarre.
	Now I think about it, just how Teflon Mandelson was under the last Labour government.
	And he kept on racking up titles.
	So I just checked.
	He's a lord, yes.
	Secretary of State for Trade and Industry, um, Secretary of State for Northern Ireland, Secretary of State of Business Innovations and Skills, First Secretary of State, Life Peerage, European Commissioner, Privy Councillor.
	I mean, honestly, wouldn't be surprised to wait.
	You wouldn't have been surprised one morning to wake up under the last Labour government to discover that he'd been made an archbishop.
	I mean, this guy just got everything handed to him.
	And looking at that in respect of this, I'm wondering what was he a conjure?
	Was he just too useful?
	Was there something else going on?
	He does seem to be a political survivor, and he does seem to have a lot of utility for people in power.
	Bear in mind, again, we're what, ten days into the new government reconvening again?
	Oh, yes, phase two.
	Yeah, we're in phase two now, and uh he'd been made back in February ambassador to Washington.
	The only the only th the only actionable thing I've come I've seen in phase two is that Mandelson got sacked.
	I don't know if it is more to phase two.
	I mean, they also lost Angela um Angela Raynor.
	Oh, Angela Rayner and Mandelson have gone.
	Within ten days.
	Yes.
	Impressive, impressive numbers.
	Uh finally, as part of this, as part of the uh uh a similar June 2008 email, he said to Epstein regarding his jail time.
	You have to be incredibly resilient, fight for early release, and be philosophical about it as much as you can.
	The whole thing has been years of torture, and now you have to show the world how big a person you are and how strong.
	Your friends stay with you and love you.
	This is after a guilty plea to soliciting sex with a minor.
	There is extra information held within these emails that Bloomberg reports on, including the fact that Mandelston and Epstein seem to have been organizing a number of suspicious meetings with somebody who had only been referred to as Mr. Big at the same time with Lefki, who, if I remember correctly, is an attorney called Lefkowitz, yes, Jay Lefkowitz, who was one of Epstein's best defence lawyers.
	So there are a number of meetings set up between Mr. Big and Lefkowitz, who I believe it says here, yes as well.
	Lefkowitz had been a senior advisor to former US President George W. Bush's administration as well.
	So again, connections everywhere.
	There is also an extensive connection and uh contact made with JP Morgan, JP Morgan Chase and Co.
	throughout all of this, but that is somewhat outside of the remit of this segment, because now let's take a look at the consequences for Peter Mandelson.
	Well, he was sacked.
	For the first time in his now three resignations, he didn't resign himself.
	He refused to resign and has officially been sacked as ambassador.
	Yes.
	The Prime Minister asked the foreign secretary to withdraw Peter Mandelson as ambassador.
	The foreign office released a full statement stating that in light of the additional information in emails written by Peter Mandelson, Prime Minister has asked the Foreign Secretary to withdraw him as ambassador.
	The emails show that the depth and extent of Peter Mandelson's relationship with Epstein is materially different from that was uh from that known at the time of his appointment.
	In particular, Mandelson's suggestion that Jeffrey Epstein's first conviction was wrongful and should be challenged as new information.
	In light of that and mindful of the victims of Epstein's crimes, he has been withdrawn as ambassador with immediate effect.
	This is putting more pressure on Starmer's government again.
	Not only has he lost Angela Rayner in quick succession, now he's lost Mandelson, who, as Dan has pointed out, seems to be a very useful political creature to have on your side.
	There is now a temporary ambassador, I believe Jay Roscoe, uh has been appointed as temporary ambassador to Washington.
	Uh who knows who they're going to put in the permanent position.
	And this has also raised a lot of questions about the relationship between the vetting pro um between the people who vetted him in the first place, because he seems to have had a strong relationship with McSweeney, who was the one who vetted him in the first place.
	There was also reports from the Times that the government has admitted to basically already knowing about how extensive his relationship with Epstein had been, even keeping in contact after the original 2008 conviction.
	So is it simply the severity of the relationship which has made them reconsider the fact that he thought it was wrong?
	What addition has this made that has pushed them over the edge?
	Or is it simply that now that this is a public matter that everybody knows about, it makes them look bad and they're trying to save their own skin.
	Because I can't imagine that Labour were really wringing their hands about all of this before Bloomberg and the Sun were reporting on it.
	And there you go.
	Let's uh go through the chats regarding this segment.
	We've got a couple.
	EE Explosions says it's ironic that the control and tracking policies the government want to introduce would be the most useful if used on people in the government.
	That's why they're not going to be.
	Cranky Texan, I think people are using the wrong framework.
	When they call it a blackmail ring, it seems to resemble something more like an initiation ritual.
	Why not both?
	And in the Super Chats, one piece plot is about fighting world government.
	Well, it is about pirates, so they do like their independence.
	Uh Scott G, some Indian guy used the list as toilet paper.
	Perhaps.
	Perhaps so the Charlie Sutkirk shooting suspect, according to the information that Samson has put up in front of me right now, has been named as Tyler Robinson.
	No relation.
	No relation to me.
	He's actually quite a common name.
	There's about two hundred of them in on Twitter.
	Yes.
	Not all related to me.
	At least not anywhere near related to me.
	So Mr. Robinson22 was named as the alleged assassin of Kirk, 31-year-old conservative influencer and confidant of Donald Trump, who was shot during a rally at Utah University.
	Capture follows a two-day man hunt for the gunman who fired a single lethal shot before jumping off the roof overlooking the event and escaping.
	President said the suspect's father helps to turn his son in after the FBI released two pictures of a person of interest.
	Grainy picture showed a white man wearing sunglasses, a baseball hat, and a black sweatshirt that appears to have feature an American flag, an eagle.
	I think we have him.
	So is this actually uh is this the same guy that 4chan thought it was?
	I don't remember the name.
	They came out with a different name.
	They came up with the side.
	Oh all right.
	But I mean, that's that's also heartbreaking that the father had to turn his own son in, because this guy's gonna get the death sentence.
	By firing squad, I recall that's how they do it in Utah.
	Um but I mean the firing squad is the Father had to do it, he had to he had to do the right thing, even though knowing his son was going to be executed for.
	The shame there is that firing squad was uh a military honorable death, really.
	Uh it came with a certain um honour to it.
	Um and so I don't believe that we should be granting any sort of honour to a coward like this.
	Anyway, do we have any no the the punishment for regicide throughout the Middle Ages was boiling.
	Well, I don't think we could convince Trump on that, but uh yeah.
	Let's uh go on to the video comments.
	Lots of video comments.
	Lots of them.
	Now what about a welcome to our masked pipes and drums?
	Come on, everyone.
	Give them the welcome.
	That they never have come away.
	Let me tell you who they are.
	The punk bands of Balaton, Lana, have Donata, Kintura, Gwarkingston, Huntley, Langham, and Ellen.
	Our leading drum major is Roland Stewart and our leading pipe major is Ian Stewart.
	Come on.
	Really, we needed Roy Rory on the panel to appreciate that one.
	Yes.
	It's like a very nice afternoon.
	So far, what I've seen on Facebook and Twitter, leftists mocking Charlie Kirk and all others being sensitive about his death.
	At the time of recording, no one is claiming that this was a right-wing false flag attack, but I'm confident that that will happen when they realize just how much his murder galvanized the right into action.
	I'm saying this because in however many years when you're identifying them to the police or signing a dela or something which criminalizes their behavior or whatever else, and they're screaming and pleading and crying at you.
	Look them dead in the eye and remember how they acted when they had a chance to show their true colours.
	They hate you, and it will be your duty to be deaf to their theatrics and do what needs to be done to thwart them, however cruel you're accused of being.
	Carry on.
	People do not understand how devastating Charlie Kern's death is.
	To the American spirit and psyche.
	He was the open advocate for peaceful dialogue.
	And essentially a democracy.
	And he is gone now.
	And there is a rage.
	It's not good.
	It is heartbreaking.
	Thank you.
	Thank you.
	Hey Lodes, I'm on the beach.
	Very nice.
	Now, I'm doing a project management course funded by the government.
	And we all had to give an instruction to ourselves, because there's uh quite a few people, aren't it?
	There was one woman who said she was fired from her company because Donald Trump's tariffs increased prices, and uh she worked for the DEI team, and the entire team was laid off.
	And then there's another woman who worked for in global development, whatever that means, and because uh Trump cut USAID, she was fired too.
	Well yeah, I should have been trusting the plan this whole time.
	Yeah.
	So here I am at my old grocery store in deeply common New York State.
	Yep.
	Flying the flag as dad.
	God bless Charlie Kirk.
	God bless America.
	I heard that New York State outside of Manhattan's actually quite a nice place, and probably more rural towns.
	Upstate, but yeah, I've heard that.
	Yeah, I've heard upstate New York's all right.
	Uh correct me if I'm wrong on that.
	Let me know in the comments.
	It's sad when someone dies.
	But it's a tragedy when someone dies young.
	Charlie Kirk is pretty important, I think.
	And it's a tragedy.
	He will be missed.
	Yeah.
	Rest in peace.
	Rest in peace.
	Carry on.
	Remember by simply living a good life.
	You are a thorn in the side of the spiteful mutants.
	and our hens fighting them.
	I hope the faves are going well for you.
	Yes.
	It's uh been interesting to see them evolve to the point where they're out and about on their own now.
	You must be so proud.
	Shall we uh read a couple of the website chats before we're done?
	We've got another minute or two.
	Yeah, just to say I'm I'm looking at photos of this um Tyler Robinson chap.
	He appears to have come from a normal middle class family, had a normal decent upbringing, you know, being taken part of regular American life.
	What the hell happened to this guy?
	Have we checked black rock commercials yet for this guy?
	Yeah, was he featured in a Doctor Who adverts.
	This this is bizarre.
	What what was that, Dan?
	I didn't catch everything that you said, sorry.
	Ba basically I'm looking at photos of his life.
	He he had a perfectly normal middle class upbringing, you know, did all the things, went to the went to the sports events, the boating, the you know, he's he he looks like an entirely regular guy.
	He he does he I mean he's not even chopped his bits off.
	I mean what is I don't know what's happened here.
	I I mean it doesn't mean that he's not been brainwashed.
	Yeah, maybe maybe he maybe he's the one zoomer that actually watches mainstream media.
	Yeah.
	I'll I'll read through some of these uh some of these honorable ones here.
	So Russian garbage human says what happened to Luca with uh in all caps.
	All caps you know he means it.
	Like he's sh he shaved, guys.
	It's that simple.
	Michael Dry Belbus, on a lighter note, noticed that Luca has removed the stash, makes him look younger, but now he lacks the Captain Darling dynamic.
	Bring back the stash.
	I don't think calling him Captain Darling is going to encourage him to bring it back somehow.
	Although removing a facial hair always makes a man look younger.
	Is whether you've got the uh facial structure to pull it off afterwards.
	And uh with that we've reached half past two.
	I think we should call it there, seeing as we've got lads hour in half an hour.
	And if you are a member on the website, please join us for that.
	We're going to be trying to catch up with as many of the super chats as we possibly can.
	And I believe can we say who we're yes we've we've got a very special guest, Professor Ed Dutton.
	Yes, he'll be joining us in analysing the spiteful mutants who we see among us now.
	Anyway, we'll see you there, and if you've not got a web uh website membership, then uh consider getting one, especially if you sent a sub chat uh a super chat in, so hopefully we can go through yours.
	If not, we'll see you again next week.

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