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	Good afternoon, ladies and gentlemen.
	Welcome to the podcast of the Load Seaters for Thursday, the 11th of September, 2025.
	I'm joined by Beau and Dan, and today we're going to be discussing the assassination of Charlie Kirk.
	Now, I think probably worth giving a bit of preamble here.
	Charlie Kirk was a titan of conservative activism in the United States.
	He had such a large reach, in fact, that when I went to bed last night, my wife was like, did you hear about Charlie Kirk?
	And I was like, how do you know who Charlie Kirk is?
	I used to watch his debates all the time.
	I had no idea that my wife was a Charlie Kirk fan because she just never brought it up.
	And this is the sort of thing I'm talking about.
	It's like he had a reach that was much further than people realized because he appealed to the actual normal debates normal people were really having in the real world about transgenderism, about whatever issue of the day was.
	And so the kind of hyper-online political types that, you know, the sort of environment we operate in, he reached well beyond this and had an enormous influence on political commentary and politics generally.
	Conservative politics generally, especially.
	But also on left-wing politics, actually.
	He was a regular figure of hate for the left.
	And honestly, I really would feel bad for the way that they would frankly go at him.
	It was horrible.
	It was absolutely horrible, especially as if you've ever watched any of Charlie Kirk's debates or any of his commentaries, he isn't, he wasn't, sorry, I have to say, a raging firebrand.
	I think that's why they hated him.
	It's easier to deal with somebody who's coming at you strong because they can just brush it off and they can shout their retorts and they can shout their slurs.
	Charlie didn't give them the opportunity to do that.
	He was so reasonable and so measured and he genuinely tried to have conversations and it simply exposed the fact that these people are incapable of articulating their worldview.
	He was a complete gentleman about these things.
	One of the most disturbing aspects of this is that he was the dialogue guy.
	Yes.
	That higher shtick was being a debate bro.
	I'm here for the democratic process to engage in the public discourse, in the marketplace of ideas, so we can talk out our differences and maybe find common ground.
	That was his entire point.
	What it says is, of course, we don't want dialogue.
	We're not interested in dialogue.
	Well, I think we'll come back to that in a bit, because I think what might be worth doing is just saying, you know, Dan and myself are both fathers.
	Charlie was 31 years old.
	He had two young children and a wife.
	So just it could be any of us.
	And his young children were there.
	And his young children were there, which is just awful.
	But anyway, let's begin by going through the actual details of what happened.
	As much as we know them.
	All right.
	Yeah.
	So the whole podcast today is going to be about Charlie.
	Yes.
	Different aspects of what happened and his life and everything.
	So to begin with, just the events of yesterday.
	So here's an image of him not long before throwing out MAGA hats.
	And it was in Utah, Utah Valley University.
	It was called the American Comeback Tour.
	So we obviously had a number of, you would own Colonial had a number of events lined up.
	And yeah, so as I understand, shortly after it began, very shortly after it began, I believe, a single shot rang out.
	Charlie was taking questions from people lined up to a microphone, right?
	It was a fairly standard format that he does.
	Whoever wants to come up and ask him a question and challenges him.
	And then he answers the question and then they have a back and forth over it.
	Classic Charlie Kirk format.
	Nothing.
	One thing to say, we're not going to show any of the clips.
	There's one long-range, low-resolution clip and one terribly distressing close-up clip.
	And we're not going to show either of those.
	They're all over the internet.
	Just a warning to people, if you're thinking of looking it up.
	And personally, my view is that I wanted to see it because I wanted to face it.
	I want to see evil for what it is.
	But it is horrific.
	So if you haven't seen it, just take a measure of whether you really want to or not.
	Yeah.
	I mean, we are going to talk.
	We're not going to show it, but we are going to talk about it a bit anyway.
	I would just say that Personally, I actively try and avoid anything like that.
	But I did seek this one out and watch it just because I know we've got to talk about it.
	And it's sort of, it's actually important.
	It's not just a random murder.
	But it is terrible, terribly graphic.
	Really, really distressing, horrible, horrible.
	So, okay.
	Yeah, a single shot rang out and seems like it was must have been a rifle.
	Right?
	If it was over any sort of range, it would have had to have been long.
	People running away.
	And I mean, at first, when it first happened, well, I'll talk about my experience.
	I was recording with Nate from the little channel I've got within the state of politics yesterday evening.
	I came in about eight o'clock to record with him, and I hadn't seen it.
	I hadn't been on Twitter for a few hours.
	He just said, Charlie Kirk has been shot.
	And it was the first I'd heard of it.
	And no one knew if he had survived or not.
	And there was the grainy long-range clip where you could see he'd been hit, but beyond that, you just didn't know.
	And so we did a recording.
	And in that, we're still saying we hope he's alright and stuff.
	But it emerged.
	People were saying he's been taken to hospital.
	There's lots of blood, but he's been taken to hospital and he's stable.
	That was the news for a while.
	Yeah, I was following it adamantly on my phone, obviously, because someone, I can't remember who it was, messaged me, but Charlie Kirk's machine.
	I was like, what?
	And this was almost immediately after the news had broken.
	So I was looking and couldn't really see anything.
	And then I started seeing it popping up.
	And so for about an hour, I guess, I can't remember how long it was now.
	I was just glued to my phone, just refreshing, hoping, because they were like, oh, people immediately look at that wound, which you could see very quite clearly in the videos.
	He's not going to make it.
	But then you had reports from people who were with him in the hospital saying, no, he's in critical condition, but he would have been a miracle if he had survived that.
	And then, yeah, it was Tim Poole that I saw that tweeted, I'm free.
	He's gone.
	And I was like, okay, well, the worst has happened then, hasn't it?
	Well, I saw the Trump tweet, or maybe it was a Truth Social, saying, confirming that he was gone.
	So, yeah, to talk about the actual thing, just because this segment is supposed to be about just the facts.
	To begin with, it looks like on the closer footage, it looks like it's just shot in the left-hand side of the neck, but on closer slow-mo, it does look like it's actually shot from the right-hand side and it bounces off his upper chest and then clips him in the neck or hits him in the neck.
	So I was speaking to Tim Poole about this, and he believes that Charlie was wearing something that they call rifle armour, which is hexagonal ceramic plates that are able to deflect rifle bullets.
	Rifle bullets being powerful and not usually the sort of thing that a Kevlar vest or whatever could stop.
	And that's why it appears to sort of deflect off his chest and then into his neck.
	But I mean, when I saw it, it's so distressing.
	But when I saw it, I'm no doctor.
	But immediately, I see that's an unsurvivable thing.
	The amount of blood, that injury, just the sheer loss of blood, the loss of blood pressure.
	You get no oxygen to the brain.
	If there are paramedics one foot away from him, I don't think he would have survived that.
	A terrible, terrible.
	I don't think you could have survived that if you got shot in the operating room.
	Right.
	Yeah, well, yeah.
	You can't replace that artery or the jugular or whatever.
	The only small, tiny, tiny mercy is that it would have been quick.
	I imagine he would have lost consciousness either immediately or almost immediately.
	Yeah.
	So, I mean, it's not much of a saving grace, but there is that at least, at the very least.
	Although what it must have been like for his young family and children watching it.
	To be murdered in cold blood in broad daylight in front of your wife and children.
	Just absolutely despicable.
	One and three, I think they are.
	And we were saying just before, I hope they don't remember it, obviously.
	I hope they're not old enough to hold a memory of it.
	Absolutely.
	And he was taken to, he was rushed to a waiting SUV, but of course it was in vain.
	And we don't need to see it anyway.
	There was no ambulance there.
	which is a strange thing isn't it yeah i mean you wouldn't necessarily i mean there wouldn't normally be would there i don't I'm not sure.
	There's not an ambulance when you go and speak at university or something, is there?
	I'm not sure.
	I think if there's a sufficiently large gathering, I think protocols suggest there should be.
	Well, maybe there will be going forward going forward.
	People like Charlie Kirk might want to think about having a Perseplex style screen like Trump was like the president or the Pope or something.
	If we carry on doing the dialogue thing, yeah.
	Yeah.
	So to begin with, it broke immediately.
	I mean, while I was still recording with Nate, it broke that this chap was the shooter or was responsible.
	And it subsequently emerged that he's not.
	He's not.
	He was arrested for a short period of time.
	And then he was, I saw the, I think it was the governor or was it the chief police, who was saying that he was, he had been arrested, but for obstructing justice?
	His behaviour is very strange.
	It's almost like he was causing some sort of distraction or something.
	I mean, he was shouting, you know, shouting, shoot me.
	I mean, he was...
	Oh, was he the guy shouting, shoot me?
	Yes.
	I think he had a gun as well, but it turned out just to be a pellet gun.
	Yeah, I think that might have been the next one.
	I'm not sure.
	Okay, because someone else was arrested and then released right.
	I think that was him.
	Oh, okay.
	You see one of the cops here holding a gun at one point.
	But anyway.
	It's not a fire.
	We don't know much about this guy.
	We know that he's an older man in his 70s.
	He's of Jewish background.
	He's a registered Democrat.
	But I mean, apart from that, it wasn't him.
	But why?
	Yeah, was he involved in a conspiracy, i.e.
	meaning just more than one person?
	By definition, it is a conspiracy.
	Who knows?
	We don't know.
	We don't know.
	It only happened yesterday.
	But yeah, so Cash Patel at one point said, we've got the person, but then it later transpired that they had.
	I think he's referring to a different guy that we don't have a photo of.
	Right.
	Yeah, there was a report that a 25-year-old was also arrested.
	He's subsequently been ruled out.
	But he's been ruled out too.
	When I first saw the older chap, my immediate reaction, because we've done stuff about assassins before and I've been interested in political assassinations throughout history, my immediate reaction was, probably not.
	It's hardly ever an old guy.
	That said, there's a lot of people who the second Trump attempted shooter was an older guy, wasn't it?
	It's not unprecedented.
	There have been assassins in their 40s and 50s or even 60s, but it's super rare.
	It's a tiny minority of them.
	Sorry.
	Sorry, Karen.
	Yeah.
	So it's not impossible, but it's unlikely.
	Okay, so there's some evidence have emerged of people saying that there's a guy on the roof.
	Just a quick thing there.
	I thought I was right.
	The Steve Scalees shooting, the mass shooting at the baseball game, was a 66-year-old man.
	Right, right.
	So it does happen.
	The radicalized boomer is a thing.
	Yeah.
	No, and throughout history.
	Occasionally it'll be a middle-aged person.
	Actually, the guy was nearly always someone extremely young in their 20s or even younger sometimes.
	Lots of assassins that are likely to be.
	He ran and insulted Rand Paul.
	He was an older guy.
	And more than that, he was actually his neighbour as well.
	But he was just watching mainstream media one day.
	So this is footage of people claiming, again, we don't know.
	Bit of speculation here that this person on the roof there was the shooter.
	Assuming that isn't even a person on the roof, it's hard to say what that is.
	I think it is because there's another footage of him running away off the road.
	Yeah, I've got that.
	I've got that.
	In fact, it might be the next thing.
	Yeah, so here's a clip.
	Is it okay?
	Let's just watch the clip, it'll...
	See that?
	It's quite quick, but this person running off there.
	Again, we don't know if that is the shooter, but that's what's sort of being heavily speculated at this point.
	I mean, if I was a betting man, which I am, I would definitely put my money on that being the shooter.
	So, again, just to keep just to the facts, it would have been a kind of a well, people discuss whether it's a long-range shot or not.
	They're saying it's about 200 yards, not meters, yards.
	Now, if it's a rifle.
	About 600 feet in that ballpark.
	So, I mean, I would consider that a fairly long-range shot.
	And I've been to shooting ranges.
	They're usually about 50 feet.
	Okay, so when we talk about these sorts of things, it's like talking about tanks.
	Everyone out there has got their own opinion and things like that.
	I would say I've been shooting ranges where that would be considered mid-range.
	Well, I would say this.
	200 yards isn't that far.
	No.
	So, for example, just to put it into perspective, like the sort of world records level stuff is like over four miles.
	Oh, yeah.
	Like 7,700 yards plus.
	Okay, but that's the extreme.
	You're not even expected to make those.
	Yeah, that's like world record stuff.
	Okay.
	But a very, very good shooter, amateur shooter, can hit something with sort of 308 at like a mile.
	That's not great.
	That's doable for a very good amateur to hit something.
	Doing that is very achievable.
	So, right.
	So 200 yards in the ski.
	It's not a close range.
	I'm not saying that.
	But it's not that far.
	That looks like more than 200 yards.
	Well, that's what is all over the thing at the moment is 200 yards.
	The thing that I would say about it is that if the shooter was on the roof there, it is elevated.
	And now that does make the shot a lot more difficult.
	Because Stefan Molyneux saw, I think he did, or I saw someone retweeting him and I couldn't find it, so maybe it wasn't.
	So apologies to Stefan if I've got this wrong.
	But he came out, I think, and said, that's a professional shot.
	I would say not necessarily.
	It's a difficult shot.
	It's not the easiest of shots.
	But you don't have to be a military grade sniper to make that shot is what I'm saying.
	In the comments, people may disagree with me.
	I don't know what the difficulty factor on elevated shots is.
	Well, because bullet drop.
	Oh, yeah, I appreciate that.
	You'd have to literally like cosine, work out the angles and stuff.
	So it's not straightforward if you're elevated, either up or down.
	So whoever did it is obviously not an amateur.
	Yeah, to get one shot direct hit, which should have been through the chest, which obviously would have been fatal immediately.
	And it's not just the shot as well.
	It's the immediate cool-headed get up and move that as well.
	Yeah, they're not panicking.
	They have a plan to get out.
	And evidently they did.
	So all I would say is that it could be anyone from a reasonably good amateur all the way up to who knows, you know, a professional sniper, but doesn't necessarily have to be some sort of professional.
	But okay.
	So there you go.
	The other thing I will draw some attention to that's just fact is this clip.
	That gentleman there.
	See, I'm being sarcastic calling him a gentleman.
	There are a lot of these.
	Everyone else ducking down, but he's turning around to that roof and not just cheering.
	Obviously, that's despicable.
	Yeah.
	But like turn around to the roof of that.
	That guy needs to be questioned.
	He does seem to be signalling.
	I mean, he's looking up at the roof because that's where Charlie was.
	And it hit him on the right side.
	So he's looking directly along the path the bullet has travelled.
	And not scared about taking around himself, clearly.
	Yeah, exactly.
	I mean, like, everyone else is like, okay, there may be more shots coming.
	Make myself as low and small as possible.
	This guy's really not worried about more shots coming.
	Why not?
	He needs to be questioned.
	Yeah.
	Absolutely.
	So, okay, that's most of the facts other than to say that at this moment of recording, about 20 past one Greenwich Main Time on September 11th, 2025, the shooter is at large.
	Which is obviously incredible and worrying, yeah.
	That to me, more than anything.
	I mean, more than the shot, because there are plenty of amateurs who go to gun ranges who get good at shots.
	And okay, the elevation may have been a factor in a complication of it.
	Yeah, but they can work that out via chat GT.
	But there are plenty of good amateur shooters, but for me, the thing that stands out is the getaway.
	Very smooth.
	Appears to be.
	I mean, we'll see in the coming hours or days whether he is apprehended.
	We'll see.
	Obviously, we hope he is.
	But it's a bit late now, isn't it?
	Yeah.
	I mean, it's Charlie and his family.
	Assume that he's fled the country, right?
	Who knows?
	Who knows?
	But, okay.
	Those are the facts that we have at the moment.
	Okay, well, there have been loads of super chats that have come in, which obviously we appreciate.
	And I just want to say, it's really weird, this, because Charlie Koch was the one American commentator I basically didn't know.
	Me personally.
	Personally, yeah, yeah.
	I've done loads of Turning Point USA events.
	I think I did like three back in like 2017, 2018, 29.
	Just kept missing him somehow.
	Yeah, yeah, and it was just literally just a thing.
	And they've got this America Fest coming up in December.
	And so I'm probably going to go to that.
	And I was thinking, brilliant, I'll finally get to meet Charlie Shoe there.
	And so this is actually a really weird thing because I've got loads of friends who are friends of his.
	And they've been like, oh, yeah, you've got to meet Charlie.
	You'll love him.
	I'm like, well, I would have loved to, actually.
	And so just all my American friends, you know who you are who are devastated by this.
	I'm sorry, man.
	I'm sorry.
	Sorry, I'll get to some of these things.
	Sorry, this is a really intense thing.
	Are we going to do them as we go or should we?
	Yeah, we'll do them at the end, actually.
	That's a good point.
	Right, let's go on to the next bit.
	So, because of the lack of suspect, the internet is rife with theories about why this has happened.
	And we're going to talk about them.
	And I want to be very, very clear that I do not endorse any of these theories.
	I don't know what has happened here.
	And I think that anyone who says that they do know is someone who is claiming a level of knowledge that they don't actually have.
	And also, I think it can be quite irresponsible.
	Now, when this first happened, I was tweeting enraged like everyone else because I'm only human as everyone else is.
	But after sleeping on it and waking up this morning, I've realized that actually we don't know who's behind this.
	We don't know why this has been done.
	And we don't know what this is an expression of.
	And it could well be that it's not something that comes from within the United States.
	It could be something external that is using this political assassination, which is clearly what this is, as a way of further riling up division in the United States.
	And I don't want to be accused of doing that myself because I actually think that might be a very bad thing.
	So just to be very, very clear, I'm not saying this is the left.
	I may have tweeted that and I should probably go back and delete those tweets.
	But on reflection, after calming down, I actually do agree with those more level heads who said, well, we don't know who this was.
	And that's a good point.
	Because, I mean, I was tweeting when it was the boomer who was arrested.
	It was like, right, he's a boomer Democrat.
	Okay, then there we go.
	We've got our shooter and we know why he did it.
	But if it's not him, then that actually does change the fact.
	So anyway, the governor of Utah said, just flat out, this is a political assassination.
	And there seems to be that there's no doubt about that.
	It's hard to imagine that there could be a person who would want to shoot Charlie Kirk for reasons that were non-political.
	There are no reasons.
	No, he was an express.
	Exactly.
	I mean, for like, if you were going to speak about him as a man outside of politics, he seems to have been a completely cut and dried, upstanding father and husband.
	There's no way that Charlie Kirk owes somebody money, slept with somebody's wife.
	Yeah, no, it's he is a good and well, he was a good and decent man, and he was reasonable.
	He was killed because somebody somewhere was making some sort of political point.
	Yes.
	It is obviously going to be somehow political.
	So I concur with Governor Cox there.
	Just quickly build on that.
	There's kind of only two reasons.
	One, they're just a straight up political enemy of Charlie Kirk.
	They hated his views on whatever, abortion or whatever, you know, or just his right-leaning views, his Republican mega views.
	Or the other possibility is, as you say, something almost entirely outside of America.
	And it's an calculated agent provocateur 3D chess type play somewhere, somehow.
	They're the only two real.
	It's one of those two things, surely.
	I would assume so.
	I would assume so.
	Until we have some information on who the shooter was, it's really hard to say.
	So the – excuse me.
	Like I said, what I'm going to do is just document the theories that are currently going around at the time without co-signing or endorsing any of them.
	So the first one was the trans theory.
	So this was posted on Twitter the day before Charlie went to Utah Valley University.
	As you can see, Omar here says, Charlie Kirk is coming to my college tomorrow.
	I really hope someone evaporates him.
	Literally, let's just say something big will happen tomorrow.
	And apparently the person who runs this camp is this person.
	And this is exactly what was in my head at the early stages.
	Yeah, this wouldn't be the first sort of trantifer, as Andy No calls them, terror, or school shooting or attempted assassination or anything like that.
	So this seems like a plausible potential suspect.
	But you have to ask yourself, well, is it likely that they were just trying to cause a scene on the internet?
	Because a lot of people, because if they can make it seem like there's a terror threat that's being called in, then the event would be cancelled.
	Charlie wouldn't go to his university and then life would continue on as normal, right?
	So calling him fake threats is something that the left does all the time.
	I've been at events where they've called in fake bomb threats and things like that.
	Nothing happened, obviously.
	And does this person look like they have a plan?
	I'm not sure they look like they have a plan.
	I'm not sure that they're going to be able to escape all authorities and flee the scene and never be caught.
	Well, I mean, maybe when she was still a boy, his dad took him hunting.
	Maybe.
	I don't know.
	I mean, one thing I'll say is I tend to agree with you, but you never know.
	You don't know.
	I know what people look like doesn't portray what they're actually capable of.
	Completely true.
	He can.
	He can, but not always.
	But not always.
	But you are completely right.
	So this is one theory is that it's a radical transgender person.
	And that has plausibility because, of course, Charlie Kirk, being a Christian man, has a very biblical view on what a man and a woman is, has a traditional conservative view on whether men and women...
	Well, the trans are notching up a number of shootings lately.
	They are.
	And they particularly hate Charlie Kirk because he is persuasive.
	It was, sorry, I have to use past tense.
	He was persuasive and influential in arguing against their ideology.
	And so they nurtured a particular hatred for him in their community.
	And they still do.
	And we'll go through some of that in a minute, I'm sure.
	So that's one potential theory that is currently doing the rounds on the internet.
	The other one was the boomer radical, which was dismissed by the authorities.
	But still, I see people saying it.
	So, I mean, it's worth just pointing out that this guy was released.
	So there's no reason to think that it was him.
	As the New York Times confirmed, it's not the guy.
	Although he did do something really weird, which was yelling, shoot me when he was in police custody.
	I think we'll watch it.
	We don't know if it's him or not.
	Why was he yelling, shoot me?
	I've not seen that clip before.
	That is odd.
	That's really, really weird, isn't it?
	And so, just why would he?
	It's like he's going out of his way to cause a distraction.
	Right.
	Sure.
	So the real shooter can make his escape, you mean?
	I don't know why he's not.
	He's purely for his own ego.
	I don't know why he's not.
	Yeah, well, we don't know, do we?
	Right, right.
	But it's very bizarre indeed.
	It's just really peculiar.
	And like I said, I haven't got any explanations for any of this.
	So the next one was the mystery sniper on the roof theory, which again is just the theory.
	Like, we don't know that this guy did this.
	Yeah.
	You think he'd already be in police?
	You can see him at the top there.
	As you showed earlier.
	And then, like, you saw him running on the roof.
	And people pointing out this is quite a distance.
	Four and a half, 450 feet.
	So it's not terrible.
	But like we've said, we've been over this, so I'll carry on.
	But then you had people pointing out that there was a private jet that left within the hour from the local airport.
	And that, after 30 minutes, it dropped off of the radar.
	So it turns its own tracking radar off for about an hour.
	Didn't think he was allowed to do that under any circumstances.
	No, that's illegal.
	Right.
	Because, of course, that makes you blind to all other planes in the sky.
	Crazy dangerous thing.
	Yeah, it's insanely dangerous.
	Would that be enough time to land at a nearby runway and offload a passenger and then take off again?
	Probably.
	This one feels less credible to me because it's such a high-profile way of moving around as opposed to just a rental car, for example.
	Sure.
	Like I said, I don't know, but this is the theory that's going around on the internet that this was the plane that got him out.
	And yeah, you mentioned, oh yeah, the air traffic wasn't shut down during this time, by the way.
	So it's plausible that he could have been on there.
	It's possible.
	And then, like you say, the chap jumping up, which we saw, which was very strange.
	What was that?
	something very very strange and then actually i don't think that one is strange I think that's just leftists being leftists.
	it could be it could be but i i mean i've got a bit this my segment but the leftist reaction to this yeah it's it's not how we would react to some to a milquetoast leftist commentator getting shot Their reaction is genuinely different.
	Yeah, but I always feel that these people are physical cowards.
	So I would have thought he'd be at least worried about his own skin.
	But then you have this chap who's an eyewitness to the event.
	And he felt that it wasn't just one person acting alone, but several people working together.
	What's this?
	After I got done talking to him, I really couldn't exit because there was such a big crowd.
	So I turned around and like 10 to 20 seconds later after I got done talking to Charlie, I saw that he was shot in the neck and that he was squirting blood everywhere.
	But I was piecing things together, and it was really weird because the second guest that I talked to, before I went and asked him the question, what I was going to ask him, he was talking to him about how he was going to ask about transgenderism or something like that.
	And nothing about shootings.
	And this is the irony that came to me, which was like right when he asked that, not like five, 10 seconds later, he was shot.
	And not only that, right after that, someone confessed to it who had no weapon, which makes me think that it was clearly a setup and that multiple people were involved.
	So, but prior to that, that's all I saw because everyone was squirming.
	Anybody?
	So, again, whether there's any truth to this, whether this is just someone who's panicking in the moment and doesn't know what is happening, who knows, right?
	Again, just presenting what is going around so you're at least aware of it.
	And so the next thing is the theory that Israel did it.
	Now, this is something that people on the internet are saying.
	Don't look at me like that.
	I'm not saying this is the case.
	Sorry.
	I'm not going to pass judgment.
	I'm just going to tell you what people are saying.
	So the theory begins with Charlie has been a long-standing supporter of Israel.
	And this is obviously very publicly and well-known.
	And for a long time, he was very much their guy.
	Very much.
	There's a type, there's a stripe of Christianity which is evangelical.
	Truly biblical.
	Right.
	But he was shifting.
	Yes, that's the issue.
	So about six months ago, beginning of the year, that sort of time, Charlie started making some connections.
	For example, in this clip from January, he asserted that Jeffrey Epstein was a Mossad agent.
	And then carrying on, he thought the Epstein files should all be released.
	And then he started casting aspersions on Patrick David's podcast about the nature of the October 7th massacre.
	In fact, we'll watch this clip because it's quite strong, frankly.
	So I've been to Israel many times.
	The whole country's a fortress.
	When I first heard this story, I still had the same gut instinct that I did initially.
	I find this very hard to believe.
	I've been to that Gaza border.
	You cannot go 10 feet without running into a 19-year-old with an AR-15 or an automatic machine gun that is an IDF soldier, right?
	The whole country is surveilled.
	And so let me just kind of go through this.
	We don't talk about Israeli politics very often, and most Americans don't know this.
	The last nine months, Israel was on the brink of civil war.
	It's not an exaggeration.
	This judicial stuff, there were hundreds of thousands of Israelis taking to the streets because Bibi Netanyahu was basically redefining the Israeli Constitution.
	That's not an exaggeration, right?
	He said the judicial branch has too much power.
	There were protests planned this week against Netanyahu, where they anticipated tens of thousands of people to take to the streets.
	That's all gone, Patrick.
	Netanyahu now has an Yahoo now has an emergency government and a mandate to lead.
	I'm not willing to say, to go so far that saying that Netanyahu knew or there was intelligence here, but I think some questions need to be asked.
	Was there a stand-down order?
	Was there a stand-down order?
	See what I mean?
	That's pretty.
	That's pretty hard for someone who otherwise is a huge supporter of Israel to begin with.
	Somebody's shifting their opinion quite strongly.
	Yeah.
	And then you have this from a month ago, which, again, is very critical, where he's on.
	You and I are both.
	He's on Megan Kelly's podcast, and he's saying that he can't raise any criticisms of Israel without being deemed an anti-Semite, which he takes very, very personally, because, of course, he wasn't an anti-Semite.
	And then you had this is one of his more recent ones.
	And Jewish donors, they have a lot of explaining to do, a lot of decoupling to do, because Jewish donors have been the number one funding mechanism of radical, open-border, neoliberal, quasi-Marxist policies, cultural institutions, and non-profits.
	This is a beast created by secular Jews.
	And now it's coming for Jews.
	And they're like, what on earth happened?
	And it's not just the colleges.
	It's the non-profits.
	It's the movies.
	It's Hollywood.
	It's all of it.
	It's like, time for you guys to wake up and say no more.
	Draw a line of the sand.
	I don't care if you hate me.
	I mean, that's a pretty radical change.
	Right.
	If you go back, say, five years, when Charlie Kirk is, you know, Israel number one, that's a that's a very hardline criticism.
	So I know we're just reporting, you know, we're not taking any value judgments here, we're just reporting the things that are talking about.
	I mean, this, this, if this was a foreign internal arp, it's a true stepping on the rake moment.
	So, sure.
	But the point is, you can see that his opinion is shifting.
	Honestly, this sounds kind of Fuentes-ish.
	Yes.
	I thought that.
	Yes.
	I thought those could be Fuentes' words.
	Exactly.
	And, you know, you can see how his thinking on the subject has changed.
	And this is what people are, of course, clipping all these bits out to show: is that Charlie actually has been thinking about this subject a lot.
	And then you have other ones.
	I'm not going to play this one because it's a bit more anti-Semitic.
	But then you get this from Harrison Smith.
	Harrison Smith is an Infowars host.
	But he says, I'm not going to name names, but I was told by someone close to Charlie Kirk that Charlie thinks Israel will kill him.
	He turns against them.
	Now, this was from August the 13th.
	So this was a month ago that he had posted this.
	And you can see why the conspiracy theory against Israel is gaining steam now.
	Because if you've got these kind of breadcrumbs that are being put together, then you get this kind of opinion.
	And Harrison came out and said, Yeah, I posted this a month ago.
	My source was secondhand.
	It came up during a conversation about right-wing Zionist influencers.
	Yeah.
	I mean, we're not giving an opinion here, but you can totally see why lots of people are going down this route.
	This is a popular conspiracy theory online, whether you agree with it or not.
	So it's important to be aware of it.
	Jackson Hinkle, one of the most outspoken anti-Israel activists, just anti-everything activists, really.
	Most third worldist you've ever seen.
	Frankly, he's a lunatic.
	But he lays out the conspiracy theory in its entirety here.
	He says, used to be an Israel loyalist, feared Israel would kill him, started mildly criticizing Israel.
	Said Epstein was Mossad, let anti-Zionists speak at his events.
	Zionist media starts attacking him.
	Someone shots Jugular towards Jazz away.
	Netanyahu tweets within minutes.
	Pantsy gets arrested, and acts guilty.
	Assassin escapes without a trace.
	Netanyahu tweets along a message.
	And that's why they think that this is a conspiracy.
	And I mean, Netanyahu did tweet very, very quickly afterwards.
	So before Trump did.
	And then you have Jewish newspapers and media outlets posting about Charlie Kirk, but also posting that he's an anti-Semite, basically.
	As you can see here, Charlie Kirk.
	I mean, if he's an anti-Semite.
	Yeah.
	Charlie Kirk, conservative activist who considered himself a defender of Jews and Israel dead at 31.
	The conservative activists killed in Utah at times faced allegations of anti-Semitism from across the political spectrum, which is kind of a strange way to frame it.
	So I, you know, this, I mean, I guess maybe, or maybe not, probably not.
	We'll learn more about this angle.
	I should point out there's been a bit of breaking news on this one while we've been on air.
	Samson, I put it in the studio one link and Carla sent it to you, but I haven't got this got off.
	We've got information from Stephen Crowder, and he's citing an email which appears to be an internal message.
	And it would appear that they've found the rifle.
	So, yeah, it's in the studio one chat, Samson.
	But what he's saying here is seriously.
	Yeah.
	Well, Samson.
	It said it's not there anymore.
	Oh, you must repost it.
	There you go.
	Here we go.
	Sorry.
	So basically, he's saying that the.
	I'm just going to read it quickly.
	The email included a screenshot from what appears to be an internal message describing weapon and cartridges located by an ATF and other law enforcement near the scene of Charlie Kirk's shooting at Utah Valley State University.
	On September the 10th, approximately 2:24 p.m., Conservative political influence was shot.
	Scummed down.
	The suspect fired one shot from an elevated position on the rooftop in an adjacent building on the campus, and the surveillance video shows the suspect jumping off and fleeing the area on foot.
	ATF, another law enforcement located in older model, imported Mauser.30-06 caliber bolt action rifle.
	That seems a bit niche.
	Like, you'd think it was like an AR-15 or something, right?
	Well, you want a bolt action for one good single shot over distance.
	Wrapped in a towel in a wooded area near the campus.
	The location of the firearm appears to match the suspect's route of travel.
	The spent cartridge was still chambered in addition to three unspent rounds at the top third magazine.
	All cartridges have engraved wording on them expressing transgender and anti-fascist ideology.
	An emergency trace has been submitted.
	An ATF SLC is working leads.
	Drained by Trace, the firearm and ammunition have been taken by the FBI for DNA analysis and fingerprint impressions.
	Upon completion of forensics, the firearm will be disassembled for additional importer information.
	Multiple people of interest have been contacted or detained because of Vinewind's testimony and a review of the video footage.
	Okay, well, so we see how this involves.
	I mean, just because you inscribe something on the bullets doesn't mean that that just means that whoever left it wanted people to be looking in that direction.
	So, was it a trans shooter who wanted the police to find this?
	Because they would have found it, obviously.
	If you're an outside agent, wanted to immediately go, yeah, this was a trans shooter, or is this misdirection as well?
	I don't know.
	If you're an outside agent provocateur and you shot AOC, you carve a swastika on the or a, you know, you put it on the 47 or whatever.
	Yeah, exactly.
	You know, you know, so this doesn't confirm or deny anything.
	But the point being, again, these are just the theories that are out there.
	I don't know until they actually catch the person and actually find some evidence about what their actual intention and motive was.
	We don't know, unfortunately.
	Right, we'll leave that one there.
	Right, should we next segment, Samson?
	I'll just make one point real quick.
	I would have thought, and I may well be proven wrong, could easily be proven wrong on what I'm about to say.
	But often, most of the time, it's not some crazy 4D chess.
	No, no, double, triple, trying to complicate.
	It's usually a relatively straightforward thing.
	Yeah.
	Someone's got a relatively straightforward thing.
	You're saying it's Lee Harvey Oswald?
	No.
	Okay, good way.
	Yeah.
	Carry on.
	It can happen.
	Yeah.
	It can be a bit.
	Yeah.
	But I see his own.
	Yeah.
	In this last segment, I wanted to do a tribute to Charlie Kirk, who here he is with his beautiful young family, his wife and his two children.
	I believe they're three and one.
	Sorry.
	Here they are again on stage.
	You know, this is a man who, quite frankly, was the best of us.
	He had done everything right.
	He stayed with the law.
	He'd been respectful to everybody around him.
	He was a good Christian, a good family man.
	No criminal record.
	If Charlie had done anything wrong, I would have heard about it.
	Yeah.
	Because I'm plugged into all of these networks.
	Word travels.
	You know, you get to hear about those people that don't trust that person.
	Don't trust this person.
	This person's cheating on his wife.
	You hear about all of these things.
	And obviously, I've heard nothing.
	I mean, for years now, I've heard nothing but glowing praise for Charlie.
	The point is, if every family in America was like that, you wouldn't even need a police force.
	He was living the proper example of a virtuous life.
	Yes.
	He was a virtuous and decent man.
	And the truly heartbreaking thing is that his wife and those two young children were present at the time that this happened.
	We said this just before we came on air, but I'll say it again.
	We are sort of all in our mid-40s.
	And even when you're in your mid-40s, you realize that 31 is not very old.
	Right?
	We say that if I got hit by a bus tomorrow, I would still think, well, I had a decent enough innings, right?
	I hadn't short-changed too much in life.
	But 31, it's just.
	I mean, stating the obvious, but it's absolutely heartbreaking.
	Heartbreaking, yeah.
	And with two little kids, I mean.
	Yeah, it's truly awful.
	Here's, I mean, a short.
	I just want to play a couple of short videos, you know, just showing you who this man was, who his family was.
	Oh, beautiful.
	Fucking voice.
	We are going to mute the audio, though, I'm afraid.
	Yeah, so this, this, for anyone who's married with kids, this is very familiar footage because your phone will be full of footage like this.
	Like, I've got footage I took yesterday on my phone of my wife and my daughter playing house with dinosaurs.
	The dinosaurs are like, you know, drinking tea and going to bed and getting sandwiches.
	My daughter loves dinosaurs, but she's also a little girl.
	And so she likes playing house.
	And so your Facebook profile will be filled with this kind of footage.
	Completely normal, completely wholesome.
	Yeah, I hope this one doesn't have copyright music as well.
	Let's see.
	Oh, beautiful.
	Beautiful.
	Yeah, similar thing.
	this is him at stage, his little daughter so excited to see him this is This is Charlie Kirk.
	And just, this one doesn't have music.
	This is Charlie interacting with his daughter.
	And you can see the type of character of the man that he was.
	Even though she's three, even though she's tiny, he's already teaching her about responsibility and, you know, the duties to be a good person.
	I love you.
	You don't just get to get everything you want Okay.
	Well, you have to be on very good behavior to get such a thing like this.
	Okay.
	Hold on.
	Hold on.
	You have to behave well.
	Did you earn it?
	I know, but what did you do for it?
	Have you been a good girl?
	Yes.
	Okay, I'll get it for you.
	And that's how you get good people.
	With good parents.
	They raise their children right from the very beginning.
	Here's Charlie trying to save the soul of a bunch of little hawlets.
	I think these are a bunch of porn stars or whatever they are on this podcast.
	And I can tell you I'm super blessed.
	I have the best wife in the world.
	We have an amazing life.
	Building a family is the coolest thing ever.
	And my prayer for all of you is that you one day can do that.
	That's so cute.
	It's honestly the most joyful thing.
	And I've had some pretty amazing experiences.
	I've been very, very blessed.
	Very lucky, you could say, but very blessed is the word I would use.
	And the greatest joy I've ever had is coming home to my little daughter running up to my leg.
	There's nothing that even comes close to it.
	Not flying on Air Force One, not meeting with presidents.
	That's all that pales in comparison to your little girl coming up and squeezing your leg.
	Yep.
	Melted the hearts of those tarts.
	And why did he do what he did?
	And he's going to explain it in his own words here.
	Here he is trying to explain the concept of talking to your enemies as opposed to just fighting them.
	And you can see this leftist woman, she simply does not compute what he is trying to tell her.
	I go around universities and have challenging conversations because that's what is so important to our country is to find our disagreements respectfully.
	Because when people stop talking, that's when violence happens.
	I've never seen someone do this.
	Well, it's a growing trend because people like me are facing violence, assaults, the left, yes, the campus and FIFA.
	I've been stormed out of restaurants.
	I've been assaulted publicly, multiple death threats.
	Okay, so what's your calling from this?
	There's more people that agree with me than some people would actually believe, and they come out of the woodwork when I do stuff like this.
	We record all of it so that we put on the internet so people can see these ideas collide.
	When people stop talking, that's when you get violence.
	That's when civil war happens.
	Because you start to think the other side is so evil and they lose their humanity.
	See, she just simply doesn't understand the concept of what the right is trying to do.
	The right has been trying for years to avoid escalation, to avoid violence.
	And the left, even a mild-mannered leftist woman like that, the whole concept does not.
	But Charlie Kirk has been instrumental in that as well.
	Yes.
	Like Charlie Kirk has spoken to way more leftists than I'll ever desire to.
	This has been his entire career.
	I am a center-right Republican.
	I would like to have a dialogue so our country doesn't disintegrate.
	Really, not an extreme position.
	That's what I said right at the top of the show.
	He was the dialogue guy.
	He was the olive branch, really, from the right.
	He was as centrist and as milquetoast as you could get.
	Right.
	Yeah.
	And he knew the risks.
	This is him talking about the fact that he knows the left, their first choice is violence, not dialogue.
	At the core of the left, at the core of a liberal, is someone that would use the sword if they had it.
	They are very violent people at their core.
	They always have been.
	They can't debate.
	They can't have conversation.
	So they'll resort to these tactics.
	They're going to do everything they possibly can to try to murder this movement because they can't beat us.
	So they're going to try to take weapons.
	And no, we're very aware of that.
	I'm aware of it.
	We have to have full-time security.
	This is not a joke.
	This is who these people are.
	That was prescient.
	I understood.
	I made the point on the video the other day, but I'll say it again here.
	Historically speaking, when you get close to civil wars and rebellions and military coup d'etats and all that sort of thing, it's nearly always that the left engage in assassination and violence first, and the right react to it.
	There's a reason why they're called reactionaries, the forces of reaction.
	Yeah, because we're reacting to outrages.
	Yes.
	And there have been so many.
	I mean, look, all of fascism is a reaction to communism in every time, in every place.
	So, yeah, whenever you've got a communist, you can see the fascists coming on the horizon.
	Charlie, as ever, made some really good points.
	Look at him here.
	This is slightly older.
	I'll just read this verbatim because this is such a good point.
	Yes, please do.
	Assassination culture is spreading on the left.
	48% of liberals say it would be at least somewhat justified to murder Elon Musk.
	55% said the same about Donald Trump.
	In California, activists are naming ballot measures after Luigi Magnioni.
	The left is being whipped into a violent frenzy.
	Any setback, whether losing an election or losing a court case, justifies a maximally violent response.
	This is the natural outgrowth of left-wing protest culture, tolerating violence and mayhem for years on end.
	The cowardice of local prosecutors and school officials has turned the left into a ticking time bomb.
	Never a truer word spoken.
	And then he provides his evidence.
	And look, roughly 50% of the US is on the left, and 50% of them think that assassination is a perfectly legitimate way of dealing with political difficulties.
	I made this point as well, but I'll say it again here.
	You remember back in 2012 or something or other, there was this thing of punch a Nazi.
	Remember that?
	Just got milk shaped, didn't he?
	Actively encouraged if someone's on political enemy of yours on the right, just punch them.
	Punch a Nazi.
	Don't worry if they are actually a Nazi or anything.
	Just punch them.
	Well, it's one small step from that to shoot them.
	One small step.
	The media encouraged it every step.
	It's not even a step, is it?
	It's the path that you're going down.
	You're going to get there whether you like it or not.
	The end of the wedge, of a very short wedge.
	Yes.
	Yeah, and after having shown you the best of us, I'm now going to have to show us the worst of us.
	Because, you know, as I say, about 25% of America is fine with this.
	And that's very difficult to wrap your head around because if some.
	I don't even know who a milquetoast leftist commentator is anymore because they've all become so radical.
	They've all become so nasty.
	But whoever the most milquetoast centerist Democrat was, if he got shot tomorrow, I'd instantly condemn it.
	And I don't know anyone on the right who would be celebrating.
	We have examples of this.
	There was a woman in Minnesota, who was a Democrat senator who was shot by a Republican.
	And I didn't see any Republicans cheering it.
	No, not one.
	This is like when Joe Cox was murdered in 2016, was it?
	No one celebrated it.
	Even though she's a hardcore feminist leftist and remainer.
	No one celebrated it.
	But 25% of America think that this is a tactic.
	And it has been truly depressing going through the left's Twitter.
	179,000 likes.
	Maybe Charlie Kirk shouldn't have spent years being a hateful, demagogic fascist, and this wouldn't have happened.
	Like you say, 180,000 likes.
	But interesting how she's taking responsibility for this murder for the left.
	We, the left, killed him, and that's why this demagogic fascist got what he deserved.
	Even an upright, upstanding family man is a hateful fascist.
	Yeah.
	And even though, like, ideologically, Charlie's the furthest thing from a fascist.
	But it's just, look at this.
	F these people, I do not care.
	They've grifted tirelessly for years to tear this country apart, making everything worse and putting us all in danger.
	Charlie Kirk wouldn't piss on you to put you out if you were on fire.
	An evil man who sold his humanity long ago.
	That is just so obviously not an accurate description of him.
	That's a description of her.
	That's how she feels.
	Yes.
	And she has projected that onto someone who obviously doesn't projection.
	It's all that.
	Here's another couple of regular Democrats.
	I mean, you wouldn't think anything was odd if these guys queued up next to you in the Starbucks or something.
	This is just a couple of regular Democrats who decided that they were walking past a vigil for Charlie Kirk and they couldn't help themselves.
	Do you support his death?
	I do.
	You support his death?
	You support Charlie Kirk being killed?
	Yes, I do.
	On the day he died, you're here at a vigil for Charlie Kirk and you support his death.
	Do you support a Nazis?
	No, I don't support a Nazi.
	Charlie Kirk wasn't a Nazi.
	Yeah.
	This guy who was attending one of these videos.
	I want to play this, but he was actually attacked by some Democrats for the crime of remembering a 31-year-old family man who was brutally killed.
	This is the toughest part.
	This is actually a girl who was there.
	She was in the stand, and she gives you her reaction seeing leftists celebrate.
	I just witnessed Charlie Kirk get assassinated.
	It was the most awful thing I've ever seen in my life.
	He shot him in the neck and blood went everywhere.
	And the worst part of it all was the liberals who were there were cheering.
	So I just have one thing to say.
	So.
	Yeah, I mean, this is exactly what they started cheering.
	You know, you know, it's really weird.
	I got a DM after this from Sean Head.
	I haven't spoken to her for like seven years because, like, she became a socialist and started hanging out with Vaucher and stuff.
	And I was like, well, I'm right-wing, I guess.
	And we had a bit of a spurg out of each other because I was like, socialists are bad people.
	And she had a go at me.
	And so she messaged me last night being like, I'm really sorry.
	You were right.
	And I was like, there's nothing to the gift.
	Don't worry about it.
	It's totally fine.
	I hope you're doing well.
	This one is infuriating.
	So, yeah, that young family, that little girl and that little boy are going to grow up without a parent.
	And this is a young leftist reacting to the news.
	I have breaking news.
	We think that Charlie Kirk just got...
	To the music, but yeah.
	That's how she reacts.
	Remember, don't take the bait.
	She is trying to rage bait you.
	That's literally it.
	Well, she's showing us who she is.
	Yeah.
	All right, yeah, yeah.
	Thing is, when you're young like that, God knows how old she is, and you've never experienced loss.
	I'm just going to play.
	You've never really experienced that.
	You've never experienced real horror or anything like that.
	You just don't know.
	Yeah.
	Honestly, it's not that difficult, even if you're 19.
	I'm not trying to make excuses, but they're despicable, obviously.
	To them, this is entirely theoretical.
	Right, completely absolute.
	That's sort of the point I'm trying to make.
	You know, if this was happening in front of them, they wouldn't have this reaction, I imagine.
	Life would come at them a lot harder.
	It's all LARPing.
	Yeah.
	It's just pure LARPing as far as they're concerned.
	I would have thought.
	Well, you say that.
	It's also virtue signaling.
	And at least virtue signaling.
	At least with these people, they've got the excuse that they're young idiots who don't know anything.
	But I mean, there is countless, and I had to go through it.
	My morning, it was the toughest morning I've ever had here because it was spent going through Charlie Kirk's family photos and leftists celebrating one after the other.
	But at least these people have the excuse of being young idiots.
	What's the excuse of this?
	Democrats in the House start booing when they try and have a moment of silence for Charlie Kirk.
	Really?
	Wow, I've not seen this.
	We watch it.
	It's infuriating.
	It's quite a long clip, if you know which bit it is.
	It genuinely, I was watching.
	That's the purpose of the gentlelady from Colorado Rice.
	Yeah.
	There we go.
	There's a ruckus at the back that won't show up for it.
	I can't watch it properly.
	But yeah, it's like the idea that, I mean, it's just crazy.
	Again, I just think of the Conservative reaction to the murder of Joe Cox, which was entirely gentlemanly, right?
	It was, you know, oh, yeah, no, this is a real step in the wrong direction for the polity itself.
	And you have to respect that, you know, whether you like it or not.
	Because if you don't, then you are kind of declaring, yeah, we are at war.
	And actually, the more of your guys that die, the better.
	Yeah.
	Because we aren't citizens.
	We aren't countries.
	I genuinely don't want Keir Starmer taken out or anything.
	I don't want him dead.
	I want him to lose his job.
	I want him to resign.
	I don't want him dead.
	No, not at all.
	Oh, God.
	I mean, this goes on.
	Here we get Elizabeth.
	And she hasn't got the excuse of not being.
	She's not got the excuse of being 19 and stupid.
	She's one of the perpetrators.
	She was actually asked, you know, maybe Democrats need to tone down this rhetoric a little bit.
	This is her answer.
	Oh, please.
	Right.
	Why don't you start with the president of the United States?
	Right?
	And every ugly move he gets posted and every ugly word.
	But you guys started it with him.
	He was do you not remember in like 2015, 2016 when he was running when he was he was trying to be like conciliatory.
	His entire early career was conciliatory.
	He thought he would be able to unite them and lead everyone by just winning the election.
	It's almost like trying to be conciliatory is just simply a waste of time with these people.
	I'll try and do this one without too much commentary.
	Rabbi Shmooly put out a message saying Charlie Kirk has been killed.
	I need to raise money off the back of this.
	I just want to from now on, flat ban on ever featuring Rabbi Shmooly and anything.
	Yeah.
	No matter what happens, we don't ever need to feature him again.
	I find it disgusting.
	Yeah, totally infuriating.
	This was very mask off.
	So this is TMZ.
	They were doing a broadcast.
	And I'll just prime it for people who don't know, so you know what you're listening for.
	So they're doing this whole long broadcast about Charlie Kirk having been shot.
	Everybody, everywhere, everyone who's in the news is glued to this.
	And while he's talking about this, you hear cheering and whooping in the background.
	And a second later, it gets buzzed through to his earpiece that Charlie Kirk is dead.
	Let's watch this.
	Janet, go to have somebody look at the Fox.
	Trump just posted that Charlie Kirk is dead.
	Well, these are the people we're dealing with, and everyone should know it.
	The producers got it in the background.
	They cheered and whooped first, and then they buzzed it through to his earpiece.
	Now, he could see how bad this looks for TMZ.
	Yeah.
	They're actually owned by Fox News now.
	I think they were recently acquired like a few years ago.
	Oh, really?
	I checked.
	They don't get any federal funding.
	But, I mean, he can obviously, he's looking like, oh, my God, did the mics pick up that background noise?
	And then what happens a little later on is another guy comes over who knows that it was picked up on the background noise.
	And he comes up with an off-the-cuff excuse that the reason they were cheering is because they were watching a car chase.
	Oh, yeah, sure.
	And that's why they were cheering.
	Nobody has ever whooped and cheered like that for a car chase.
	And furthermore, there were no car chases going on in California at that time.
	So, but now, because that was the off-the-cuff excuse, that's what TMZ are going to have to go with, they're going to try and find some historical example that for whatever reason the background staff...
	They happen to be watching for some reason.
	Obvious bullshit.
	Obvious to say, but it is the measure of their character.
	The measure of the people that you'd whoop and cheer.
	So you're murderous.
	Your intent is murderous.
	There's no other way of saying it.
	They're happy about it.
	There's no doubt about that.
	As Charlie Kirk says, you can tell a lot about a person about how they react when somebody dies.
	Exactly right.
	He nailed it.
	Destiny.
	Watch Destiny.
	I won't make you watch it.
	But his thing was he was having a hard go at people who were disavowing it.
	Oh, really?
	So he was attacking other leftists who were disavowing it.
	And look.
	Well, he wants to claim it for the left.
	Is that what you mean?
	I mean, they're all claiming it for the left.
	Okay.
	Okay.
	Yep.
	But I mean, his son is now a full-on Austrian painter fan.
	Yes, yes.
	So, you know.
	A griper.
	Disavowed by his own father.
	Keir Starmer tried to get the tone right, although claimed that we must debate openly and freely without fear.
	There could be no justification for political violence.
	So the man who has spent his entire time in office closing down lock you up.
	We are coming for you.
	We'll have 24-hour courts.
	Guarantee you.
	Yeah, I guarantee you will regret this.
	This is the man who takes away every single option apart from political violence is now saying that we need open and free speech.
	I mean, Tommy, ray shoeing the hell out of him there.
	Are you for real?
	You'd have had him locked up for speaking the truth, you coward.
	Totally true.
	And Connor's good on that.
	Yeah, you put a target on the back of every person you label far-right.
	That's totally true.
	You're playing the same deadly games as the Democrats in the US.
	Totally correct.
	In fact, all of our guys are underneath just giving him hell, which is great.
	But yeah, the brass neck on him, honestly.
	I will acknowledge, however, as I showed you that graphic earlier, half of Democrats think it's politically acceptable to shoot people.
	That's the scale of the problem.
	There is the other half.
	Cenk Uygur got it actually right.
	Here he is responding to one of his followers who was celebrating this.
	And actually, he subsequently put out a video as well.
	Can we watch it?
	Because it's actually like, of all the people who I thought would not land on the right side of the argument, Cenk Uygur was right up.
	He's actually a human being at the end of the day.
	Yes.
	Charlie Kirk was shot in Utah giving a speech there.
	I just found out he's passed away.
	I can't believe he's dead.
	He was shot in the neck.
	Some of you might have seen an elderly man being dragged away.
	Turns out it was not him.
	Authorities don't know who did it.
	Violence is not the answer.
	This is a horrific tragedy.
	And we're all in danger now.
	This is a terrible, terrible thing to do.
	Violence is intellectual surrender.
	It's giving up and saying, I'm a loser.
	I don't know how to win in a battle of ideas.
	I'm going to resort to violence like an animal.
	It is the very last thing anyone who's progressive or on the left would ever do.
	We are for nonviolence.
	We are for peace.
	We are for our fellow human beings.
	I think much better of Cenk having seen this.
	Yeah.
	He got the tone actually right.
	And the further...
	He's worried for his own skin.
	He says, we're all in danger now.
	Yeah.
	Yeah.
	There is that.
	Yeah.
	I don't think I need to...
	I think I can just play this one without sound.
	But this is a leftist that I'm not familiar with.
	Apparently, he's some Zoomer podcaster that's doing quite well.
	I mean, he broke down in tears at this.
	And he gave a genuine reaction.
	The interesting thing about this kid is his audience went to war with him.
	Really?
	Yes.
	Well, it doesn't surprise me.
	His audience was absolutely furious with him.
	They've been cultivating these psychos for years.
	Like, they've genuinely been cultivating an audience of psychopaths.
	I saw Hassan trying to play it off on his stream being like, oh, wow, guys, I'm so bothered.
	And his chat's like, don't FedPost, don't FedPost.
	They know what they think.
	They know what they want to say.
	They just know that they'd get Hassan banned from Twitch if they did it.
	So they're just like, yeah, okay, Hassan, we're not going to FedPost, but we're going to think it.
	Yeah.
	And I've got to say, I'm not yet at the anger stage on this.
	I'm still in the shock and sadness, emotional stage of this.
	I think the anger will come.
	I think my reaction personally is very different to the reaction with Trump.
	Trump, because, I mean, as you said before, I think you were saying before the podcast, with Trump it kind of immediately flipped into a win when he was standing up there and he was pumping the fist.
	It was that.
	But also that guy did die in the background, that father in the background, he did die.
	And I've been trying to think, why am I reacting?
	So why did I react with immediate sort of anger to the Trump thing?
	And yet I haven't even got to anger with this yet.
	And I think it's because taking shots at the president, even though it's despicable and all the rest of it, at least the president is in the kinetic sphere.
	Yeah, he's an elected political figure.
	Charlie Cook was a commentator.
	Yeah.
	I mean, but Trump, you know, will drop missiles on Soleimani or whatever.
	You know, he's in the realm of that.
	Yeah.
	Charlie was just a decent man having conversations.
	And I think that's why it's hit me so differently.
	And I think why it's hit a lot of people just so differently.
	And he was doing his democratic duty.
	That's what democracy is meant to be.
	A series of debates on ideas to decide what we actually think and then we'll have a vote on it.
	So we avoid having to kill each other.
	That's the entire purpose of democracy.
	That's the moral legitimacy of democracy.
	Well, and that's my point about with this question, because that's kind of where I'm leaning into.
	Don't make peace with evil, destroy it.
	Faraz actually absolutely nailed this one.
	He's talking about, because there's a lot of energy here that maybe the right have had enough.
	Maybe there is going to be what you talked about earlier, the reaction there is going to be pushback.
	And this is worth reading.
	He says, So he's warning about the dangers of civil war, but this is the correct point.
	Faraz has been from Lebanon and has seen this first.
	Yes.
	I was just going to say, he actually knows.
	He actually knows how bad this can get.
	Actually knows.
	Yeah.
	It is up to Trump to make sure the left is thoroughly and comprehensively crushed.
	Because otherwise, this is exactly what will happen.
	And it won't just be America, it will be the entire West.
	It will be one local conflict after another.
	But yes, it is on Trump and his guys to crush.
	The problem is, even if he physically crushed them, even if he physically crushed them, he has to destroy the moral legitimacy of the philosophy.
	That's the problem.
	I feel like that was always on shaky ground and now is more or less destroyed, isn't it?
	I mean, it's not for us to decide.
	I mean, obviously, we think that.
	But the average person has to recoil when someone says, yeah, I'm pro-trans in the same way that we recoil from someone saying, oh, yeah, I'm pro-Hitler.
	It's got to end up like that.
	Should we see how Trump reacted to this, to this point?
	Let me just play you a minute of that.
	Time for all Americans and the media to confront the fact that violence and murder are the tragic consequence of demonizing those with whom you disagree day after day, year after year, in the most hateful and despicable way possible.
	For years, those on the radical left have compared wonderful Americans like Charlie to Nazis and the world's worst mass murderers and criminals.
	This kind of rhetoric is directly responsible for the terrorism that we're seeing in our country today, and it must stop right now.
	My administration will find each and every one of those who contributed to this atrocity and to other political violence, including the organizations that fund it and support it, as well as those who go after our judges, law enforcement officials, and everyone else who brings order to our country.
	From the attack on my life in Butler, Pennsylvania last year, which killed a husband and father, to the attacks on ICE agents, to the vicious murder of a healthcare executive in the streets of New York, to the shooting of House Majority Leader Steve Scalise and three others.
	Radical left political violence has hurt too many innocent people and taken too many lives.
	Tonight I ask all Americans to commit themselves to the American values for which Charlie Kirk lived and died.
	The values of free speech, citizenship, the rule of law, and the patriotic devotion and love of God.
	Charlie was the best of Americans.
	So I think he's absolutely right, and I just hope he follows through on this.
	Yeah, it's a strong statement.
	It's great to hear.
	It's terrible.
	I can't tell that it's not AI.
	One of the things I would say is, you know, they could have before now, you know, they will know like the anti-farcel in Seattle or wherever.
	And the funders, like they'll know which judges are like SORS or which DAs are sort of Source funded.
	And they'll sort of know those.
	It's the political will to actually take them out.
	Take them down.
	Declare them as a terrorist organization and anyone connecting and giving aid and succour to is arrested.
	That's what there has to be.
	This is a terrorist organization.
	And the thing is, we've been saying this for years.
	I remember back in like 2016, 2017, when they first started doing all of this, it's like, okay, this is terrorism.
	And then they shot, what was his name?
	Harold Danielson or something like that?
	Aaron Danielson, I think it was, in California.
	There's just a shooting of a Trump supporter by an 85 guy.
	So look, this is just terrorism.
	This is just straight up terrorism at this point.
	They need to be outlawed.
	Yeah.
	And I think what's going to happen here is that there is going to be a sorting mechanism.
	The left is going to split between the spiteful mutants who are cheering on the death to the more decent but misguided leftists like Chenk, who just are just wrong, but they're fine.
	They're decent people.
	And the right, I think, is going to lose a lot of moderates and gain a lot of radicals.
	And a lot of people are saying, yeah, actually, if Trump was a dictator, I'd be fine with that.
	I don't agree with this line of thought, though.
	I don't.
	But a lot of people are thinking it.
	I know, I know.
	I just want to say no.
	Trump's already the president.
	He already has plenty of executive power.
	He can deal with this problem.
	Let's get to some comments.
	One quick thing I'll say is it's obviously a spectrum, right?
	From being some sort of liberal who would never ever use the powers of the state at all, a complete laissez-faire in every respect.
	Then you've got a full-blown military dictator, like a solar-style dictator, right?
	Now, we've just lived ever since the war, World War II, certainly in the last two or three decades, we've been right down the end of the non-authoritarian style.
	So Trump, someone like Trump, only needs to notch it up a bit.
	He needs to notch it up a bit to start tackling it.
	There's a whole spectrum.
	It's not just Bill Clinton or Tito, right?
	There's a whole...
	So just before we go to comments, Samson, do you want to go full screen on this for a moment?
	Charlie James Kirk, born 14th of October 1993, in the Chicago suburbs of Arlington Heights.
	Charlie was shot and killed at the age of 31 while speaking at the campus of Utah Valley University on September 10th, 2025.
	So there are obviously an awful lot of comments expressing deep sympathy and gratitude for Charlie, which I'm just going to summarize by saying thank you and we share them, obviously.
	It would take far too long to read each individual one out.
	The Shadow Band says, the last two days we've seen the unedited video of Irinya, I can't pronounce it.
	On the train, and then now Charlie, watching people die, must have some effect on our brains, no matter how many video games we've played.
	Well, this honestly, I think we have to understand that we are moving into a new world.
	I genuinely feel that this is a kind of liminal moment that we are passing through here, and that we'll be different men on the other side of it.
	For good or for ill, frankly, whether we like it or not.
	You're not in control of the events, and so you just have to control your own response to the events.
	Obviously, and I shouldn't have to say this, but I'm going to.
	Don't do anything stupid.
	Don't do anything that plays into any kind of frame that has been set up for you.
	Do what you think is actually correct and virtuous.
	Do not do something stupid.
	Is it possible to save these comments and make a separate video later?
	Maybe.
	Maybe I assume the producers.
	I'll just read them up and we can record something else and stream.
	Yeah.
	But I will go through some.
	We've got some.
	Pick up some.
	Some people have spent a lot of money.
	I know.
	That's why I'm going to go through some.
	I don't want to just make people think that there's nothing to any of these things.
	Robert says, long time goal tier listener, first time listening live.
	Keep up the great work.
	Well, thank you very much.
	And thank you for joining us.
	This honestly is really rough, like 24 hours, actually.
	I got a bugger all sleep last night, like most people.
	And it's just very stressful.
	Zedek says, it's a time of mourning.
	Conservatives need to find their peace with the hatred targeted against them for just speaking out and resolved to keep bringing the truth to maintain clear-eyed honesty in the face of evil.
	Yeah, I think that's a really great comment.
	I really support that.
	We just have to be committed to what is genuinely true.
	This is why I was not in favor of any of the conspiracy theories or just assuming that it was a leftist off the bat.
	Like, we don't know.
	You know, we didn't know what it is.
	And we still don't know.
	There is evidence that indicates, which, and we can make a bunch of assumptions, but until we have concrete proof, I really don't want to come down hard on one side or the other.
	I just feel like I'd be just making things worse.
	I don't want to make things worse.
	Vinny says, as a vet and avid gun collector, 200 yards isn't that far at all for a scoped bolt action rifle.
	And elevation has less of an effect on drops as you're shooting downwards, according to Crowder and a source they found.
	The rifle, but not the shooter.
	Yeah, we covered it.
	I saw someone else quickly say over 200 yards, his personal rifle wears zero bullet drop.
	Really?
	That's what someone just said.
	No, no, I believe.
	Yeah, I don't think it's that tough of a shot.
	Anyway, anyway.
	Freeman Die Free says, I'm a very hard-right ANCAP in the US.
	Beneath the surface, you can't comprehend the silent rage over this unless you live over here.
	The American right is on the verge to snap.
	If they do, it doesn't stop.
	Well, I mean, I just very clear to stress that I believe there are democratic solutions and we should follow them.
	I don't think we should willingly radicalize.
	And I realize it's not necessarily going to be the most popular thing to say on the internet at the moment, but it is truly what I think.
	And it's because of Ferras's comment.
	An actual civil war is one of the worst things you can live through.
	Every civil war is worse than any other kind of conquest.
	I mean, but you'll know this.
	Like, because a foreign conquest, when the enemy stops fighting, generally you just get the new order imposed.
	But a civil war has to extirpate any signs of loyalty or allegiance to the defeated party.
	They have to truly root them out.
	And it's like way worse to go through a civil war.
	Like the English Civil War, unbelievable.
	The American Civil War, unbelievable.
	The French Revolution, unbelievable.
	Like these things are so much worse than normal conflicts in normal times.
	So anyway, Luke says, for all the evils of the lefties laughing at this, at least the boss of TYT said something about this is a surrender of the intellectual debate.
	If you have to kill, but also could be a fear of justification of retaliation from the right.
	Yeah, I mean, like, Jenk, at least, he looks upset by this.
	You know, he looks like, oh, God, something truly terrible is happening here.
	So, you know, and okay, he was like, yeah, but I might get shot.
	Okay, fine, that's not brilliant.
	But it's more human than most of the things I've seen about this.
	Norm says, the Democratic Party and the Schill media establishment needs to answer for the rhetoric they've spewed that led to this.
	Every single one of them, Congressman to intern, needs to be sat down and forced to watch the footage and made to understand the complicity.
	The problem is, they might be proud of that.
	They might be proud of it.
	There is a, like you said, about a quarter of the left that is just so ideologically captured that they wouldn't see this as a bad thing.
	Spiteful mutants.
	Yeah.
	Really, really, really horrible people.
	And I don't know what can be done about them, frankly.
	JS says, Charlie Carl and a few others inspired me to convince my wife to have kids.
	And I'm the father of a beautiful girl.
	So in some way, Charlie gave me the greatest gift.
	Rest in peace.
	If anyone deserved heaven, it was Charlie.
	It's very kind.
	Well done for dedicating the podcast, Charlie Jens.
	May he rest in peace.
	Well, I mean, what else are we going to do?
	But there's nothing else to talk about today, I'm afraid.
	Plague says, may those who shared his faith and values pray for his family and those who loved him.
	May the rest of us cry havoc and let slip the dogs of war.
	I don't blame anyone if this is moderated.
	Do what you must, and I will do what I must.
	Well, just to be clear, don't do anything stupid, right?
	There's just no point letting a hot head run away with you and doing something terrible and tragic in your own regard that you'll come to regret and that other people will come to regret.
	There's no point allowing this to happen.
	We have to make sure that we maintain not just the moral high ground, but our own level heads for our own souls.
	This is important.
	This is where you really have to have sort of difficult conversations with yourself and the people that you love.
	It's not the time for hot-headed action at all.
	Zerg says, don't Fed post, but we should catalogue every high-profile person who made fun of this and hold them accountable to their own hate speech to the law.
	Well, I mean, I agree.
	That's the thing.
	Like, make like I've seen a lot of people saying, well, a lot of people need to be fired for this.
	I was like, yeah, maybe, actually.
	You know, if the people cheering TMZ are anything to go by, yeah, I think a bunch of people probably do need to lose their jobs.
	And it speaks more to the toxic culture of these environments.
	If you're Fox News and you own that, are you sure you want to allow that to continue?
	No.
	Do you want to be the kind of company that employs those kind of people?
	I certainly wouldn't.
	Freeman again says the American right isn't going to go small mustache.
	They're going to bring back the crusade.
	Well, maybe.
	And like I said, just don't do anything silly.
	Just let the dust settle.
	You know, sleep on it.
	Toshi says, a deep loss for so many people.
	Aside from the tragedy for his family, this will intimidate young students trying to find a voice in this unhinged world, a true educator.
	Yeah, I mean, it's like, God only knows what this does to the sort of culture on campuses of actually talking to people.
	Which, I mean, I've done it plenty of times.
	I was attacked in bloody University of London.
	You know, it's really quite stressful.
	But every instance has got to be considered completely unacceptable.
	It's going to drive a wedge between the human beings and spiteful mutants because the human beings are going to see some of their peers celebrating and cheering.
	And they're going to know that that's unacceptable.
	Dan said he still hasn't reached the anger stage, but at this point, every American has.
	Brits need to understand the civil conflict in the US will quickly boil over to other countries.
	The entire West is at risk.
	Well, yeah, why do you think we're covering this and calling for peace?
	Again, civil wars are worse than normal wars.
	You don't know what you're asking for if you're asking for it.
	The proletariat says that.
	I'd like to say there is also the thing, not I'm calling for civil war, but where you're left with no choice.
	It's like if you've ever had been attacked by a wild animal or a cat, a domestic cat has gone feral and you can't control it.
	It's gone desert.
	You're not voting away out of that.
	Right.
	Sometimes, often civil wars are that, again, they talk about the forces of reaction.
	You're simply reacting to someone that's trying to annihilate you.
	It's like a self-defense thing.
	Actually, it's just self-defense.
	Am I just going to allow myself to be able to do that?
	Well, I'm not casting blame.
	No, no, no.
	I know.
	I'm just saying don't do anything stupid for your own sake.
	No, I know.
	I know.
	The proletariat says, I did four years in the Marines.
	Firing lines are 200, 300, and 500 yards.
	The first time I shot a rifle qual, I did it entirely with iron sights.
	The hardest part of the shot is big buck fever, where you get a big adrenaline dump and you're shaking like a leaf.
	Hugo says, I still can't wrap my head around the fact that we're in a time where you can watch the end of someone's life in 4K quality.
	It's so raw and terrifying, but also important for those to see the level of evil that we're up against.
	Yeah, this is the point I was making.
	We actually have a duty not to turn away from this, right?
	You have to watch and you have to understand the world that you were in and the game that you were playing, right?
	The fictions.
	I mean, think about when we started, like, you know, back in 2013 or something, right?
	Like, when I started in 2013, and then I started this in 2020.
	The world was so much softer.
	The world just seemed so much.
	I was a libertarian back then.
	Right.
	I was a liberal.
	The world was so much softer and so much safer and so much less angry than it is now.
	You can feel the pressure rising.
	So, yeah, it's unfortunately the nature of the reality that you have to look this thing in the face.
	Because otherwise, it's going to destroy you.
	And you're going to live in denial.
	And you're going to be unprepared for what's coming.
	Chris says, if you know the distance you're going to be shooting at, you can cite your scope to that distance.
	So then you don't need to worry about bullet drop and using mill dots at that distance.
	Oh, that's good.
	Good to know, but I don't really know much about shooting, frankly.
	Ris says, I was absolutely horrified when I heard of Charlie's murder.
	I agreed and disagreed with him on several topics.
	However, for someone to decide he deserved to die for those opinions is barbaric, wish his family well and hope justice comes harshly to his killer.
	Well, that's the thing.
	Like, I don't know whether Utah has the death penalty, but it does.
	Oh, wonderful.
	Well, that's at least some good news there, then.
	There is some reporting that Trump has signed an order that this person will be put to death.
	Yeah, I don't know if he's got the authority to do that, though.
	Well, they can make it federal charges, so yeah.
	Right, okay.
	Okay, well, fair enough.
	Binary says, from that kind of carotid, carotid, yeah, carotid damage, unconsciousness is almost instant.
	Under seven seconds, typically normally.
	See the Ukrainian girl a few days ago, also.
	At least he didn't suffer.
	I mean, actually, that's worth mentioning as well.
	Coming right on the back of the Ukrainian death.
	Yeah, I know.
	This is intense.
	And in both cases, they destroyed what was best.
	You know, that girl was innocent and beautiful.
	Yeah, completely.
	This man was noble and just.
	And in both cases, they destroyed the best.
	It is genuinely heart-wrenching that there is nothing sacred that they won't destroy.
	Well, and I think that's why they picked these targets.
	Because they are spiteful mutants.
	Justin says, the old guy was probably yelling, shoot me, so that he could A, become a martyr for the left, and B, that it would take longer for the police to realize it wasn't him.
	Maybe.
	Arizona Desert Rat says, there's tons of small airports throughout the southwest.
	As long as the airstrip is long enough, that plane could land.
	That's the point I was trying to make.
	Who knows?
	Who knows?
	The old guy claiming he shot Charlie, the two other with pellet guns.
	This has certainly been some sort of conspiracy to make it difficult to finger the real shooter.
	Well, again, I'm not saying that I know anything about this, but these are conclusions that people are drawing, and not unreasonably so from the evidence that is being presented.
	So it's terrible.
	Charlie says, I see that the EU Parliament wants a conservative and a conservative.
	I see that in the EU Parliament, a Conservative MEP relinquished the remainder of his time to hold a minute's silence for Charlie Kirk.
	Naturally, while some did respect the silence, the usual suspects didn't, with those talking, refusing to stand or just booing.
	Okay.
	There we go.
	Chance says, when he was pronounced dead, I immediately left work and went home to hug my wife and daughter.
	This hit so close to home, I didn't understand why.
	But now I think it's simply because Charlie was a normal guy, just like you and me.
	I'm like, yeah, that's the thing as well.
	Charlie is just not very remarkable, right?
	In his life or behavior or person.
	He's remarkable in his nobility and his work ethic.
	Well, morally.
	But he's not a radical in any way.
	No, but he's also not someone you couldn't see yourself meeting in real life.
	Yeah, I met loads of people like Charlie, actually, you know, thankfully.
	Thing is, he was one of those people where, you know, no one asked him to stand up and be counted.
	He just did it.
	He had that civic responsibility within him.
	Yeah, he obviously just felt in and of himself that this was the correct thing to do to make a stand, albeit rhetorically.
	Yeah, a noble thing to have done.
	Anyway, unfortunately, we are out of time at that point.
	So thank you, everyone, for joining us.
	Thank you for your generous donations.
	We will keep covering this story as it develops, obviously.
	God willing, they catch the killer very, very soon.
	And there are people in the chat saying that they have him.
	Oh, really?
	But I don't know that yet.
	Okay, well.
	Have to check that.
	We will definitely cover that tomorrow.

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