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Jan. 3, 2025 - The Podcast of the Lotus Eaters
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The Podcast of the Lotus Eaters #1071
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Hello and welcome to the podcast of the Lotus Eaters for the 3rd of January 2025. I had to look down to make sure that was right because it's a new year.
It's the first podcast I've hosted and the first one I've been on since.
And today I'm joined by Beau and Harry.
Hello.
And we're going to be talking about a new way to understand legal migration and Elon Musk's meltdown over H1B visas and whether X, formerly Twitter, is in danger.
And I also have an announcement to make and that is the Gold Tier Zoom call is going ahead at 3pm UK time and so if you want to talk to Carl, who I'm assured is going to be on this one, I think also you and I are on it, aren't we?
Yes.
And so if you want to talk to us for whatever reason, come along.
But anyway...
You're really selling it to them there.
Well, they want to talk to Carl.
They don't want to talk to me.
I know that much.
Josh just wants to scroll his Twitter.
That's all.
No one wants to talk to me.
Now they're going to ask me questions out of sympathy.
I don't need your pity.
No, he does.
He does.
I actually do.
He's a very sorry person.
He is correct.
Love you.
Starting off the new year very positively.
But anyway, so recently some figures came out about illegal migration in the UK, and I'm going to use this not only as a means of talking about the nature of illegal migration across all different Northern Hemisphere countries, because let's be honest, it's not going on in the Southern Hemisphere because no one wants to live there, other than Australia, of course, and New Zealand.
With those exceptions aside, I have spotted a trend and I think it's a very useful way of understanding illegal migration.
And I'm going to lay down some of the facts about the UK situation and then we're going to use that as an example to understand illegal immigration elsewhere.
But you don't necessarily need to follow the numbers or even be invested in the UK situation necessarily to find this useful.
And The figures that actually came out were these.
Over 36,000 migrants crossed the Channel into Britain in 2024, marking a 25% increase compared to the previous year.
But the record number was actually 2022, in which 2024 was a 20% decrease.
So I suppose that's a slight silver lining, I guess.
But because of this, there was recently a calculation done towards the end of December of last year that found that since 2018 there has been 150,243 illegal crossings from, I imagine, the boat people, but also obviously heavy goods vehicles taking the Channel Tunnel as well.
And that's just the ones that they know about.
Obviously there's going to be a lot more than that, and that's only what they can measure right.
And so it's always worth mentioning that when these figures are taken, they're only an approximation and there'll no doubt be a much grander scale to the problem in the first place.
And so Let's go on to this.
It's worth mentioning as well that actually the Labour Party has been much better at getting rid of asylum seekers than the previous incumbent Conservative Party.
And they've supposedly expelled a record 13,500 asylum seekers.
And of course this doesn't go nearly far enough because obviously we've seen the numbers.
And this is a drop in the ocean compared to who's actually here already.
And that's not to mention all the legal people who, you could argue, contribute nothing to the UK. And it's worth also mentioning as well that illegal migration usually is much, much smaller than the legal migration.
And many of the problems we experience are because of legal migration.
The two should be part of the same discussion about maintaining one's nation.
I think that's what most of us believe, the low-to-seaters.
It's very rare that we all agree on something, but that's one of them.
It does annoy me when people on the centre-right, or even Labour people trying to garner some sort of support, talk about deporting foreign criminals.
Yeah, that's not even scratching the tip of the iceberg.
Depointing illegal immigrants.
Yeah, 100%, all of them, on day one.
Now let's talk about the legal migration.
Yeah, exactly.
And of course there are many people that are sponging off the state, don't contribute anything, or their main contribution is crime, which we produce enough of domestically already.
We don't need any more foreign criminals.
I mean, we've touched on this quite a lot, so I'm not going to dwell on it.
The hundreds of thousands of people have come here completely legally and committed no crime.
A lot of them still need to go back to their countries of origin, though, don't they?
No, I very much agree, yes.
Demographics are destiny, and I don't want to become an India or Turkish.
Because a nation is made up of its people, and what made Great Britain great was its people.
And it's worth mentioning as well, I think...
Yes, I should be going all the way down to figure five, because when we look at the breakdown of who's actually coming, we get a bit more of a complete picture.
So here we are, this is by nationality.
Iran is number one, then Afghanistan, Iraq, Albania, Syria, Eritrea, Sudan, Turkey, and then Vietnam, which is a bit left of field.
But a lot of these countries, they're the last places you would want people from if you wanted a safe country, say.
So a lot of these countries are Islamic or some of the closest to being the most third world possible.
I'm thinking Eritrea, Sudan, you know, that part of the world, Ethiopia.
It's very very very poor.
How are they going to contribute to a modern economy?
I don't think they can.
Their cultures are completely antithetical to ours.
Exactly.
Not only are they not able to economically contribute, but they're also going to erode our culture.
And this gives us a sort of idea of how the backgrounds of these people shape the nature of their illegal and both legal migration, because many of these countries also export legal migrants to us as well.
And of course, people advertise this, and this will tie in quite nicely to this new trend that I've spotted in illegal migration.
So, it's worth mentioning.
One advert removed earlier this year said in Albanian...
Interesting that it said in Albanian, isn't it?
It's almost like they're running this whole operation, isn't it?
We take people to the UK by speedboat.
It is a done deal.
Within 45 minutes, the crossing is 100% guaranteed safe.
Which, I don't know how they can guarantee that.
Do they know the weather in advance?
I think they might be lying.
I think you might be right.
But yes, all of this is advertised on platforms like TikTok and Facebook and Instagram, and we've covered this before.
This isn't necessarily that new.
And it's worth mentioning as well that Albanians, largely speaking, are operating a large degree of our criminal gangs, both drug gangs and people smuggling.
And it's led to a situation where they're 0.05% of the UK population, but 1.6% of all prisoners, which is 32 times overrepresented, the largest number of foreign prison population at 14%.
Of course, by spending a year in prison, they're costing on average £51,000 a year, which is above the average salary of a UK taxpayer.
And as of March of 2023, we actually pay them if they agree to deportation.
Even though they're already criminals.
Yes, and of course it doesn't create an incentive not to come back, does it?
You get imprisoned and then you get paid to go home again, and you do it all again.
I mean, that sounds like a scam all in and of itself, doesn't it?
It does.
And in 2022 there were 28% of illegal immigrants, so that's a very significant portion.
They're largely involved in the people smuggling in the first place, and then 27% of their asylum applications are granted, even though Albania is not at war with anyone.
I don't know what grounds they have for that.
And it's also worth mentioning as well, Afghans are doing it as well, and they also abused the child migrants, the young boys, as they were doing so.
So, who's actually paying attention to the story about our Channel Crossings?
Because this gives us a really good window into who has a vested interest in this.
And so, There are countries like Germany, for example, here's some of the German media talking about it, that are experiencing a similar thing, right?
And they're a comparable country to Britain, and they have lots of illegal migration, much the same, and so it makes sense that they're interested in our situation.
Here's another one as well, and in fact to emphasise just how much Germany is going through with this sort of thing.
In 2023, Germany reported the largest number of non-EU citizens found to be illegally present.
Almost, well, just over a quarter of a million individuals in one year.
And in the first half of 2024, Germany received about 20% fewer asylum applications compared to the same period in 2023, which also mirrors Britain's situation as well.
So it's not necessarily that we've been doing anything different.
It just seems like Things are organically slowing down for whatever reason.
I've not been able to get to the bottom of that quite yet.
Either that or they've changed how figures are measured, because that's always worth bearing in mind.
France as well has been talking about it in multiple different outlets, as has Portugal, which actually received far less, and Ireland as well.
And it's worth mentioning that Ireland has the highest rate of illegal migrants per capita in the EU in 2023. That's the first full year.
We don't have the 2024 figures.
With 28.9 illegal migrants per thousand inhabitants.
Because it's a small populous country, it's part of the reason why it's so nice.
There's lots of land, it's very green.
And in the 12 months leading up to April 2024, Ireland experienced a 17-year high in immigration with nearly 150,000 people entering the country.
So this is a country of 4 million people.
So it makes sense that all of these countries are concerned.
Now, why would India take an interest?
This is an Indian outlet.
Why would they take an interest in this?
Well, they're the largest foreign-born group by country of birth.
They're almost numbering a million residents in Britain, and of course not all of them can meet the very low criteria in which we allow them to migrate here legally, and so potentially a legal migration is a consideration, and therefore it is of interest to them.
Here's another Indian outlet reporting on it, the Indian Daily Mail here.
Another one which is not surprising, this is a Pakistani outlet that's talking about it.
And of course Pakistanis are the third most populous nation in Britain, about 624,000 residents, and they are only beat out by Poland, which has almost three quarters of a million.
And so it's interesting that these countries are taking an interest in illegal migration, but for a very different reason, I think, than the European countries.
Because, of course, the European countries are interested because they have a similar situation.
But why would an Indian care about the integrity of the border?
Or a Pakistani?
Well, it's not because they all of a sudden are very patriotic about the British people, is it?
It's that they want to break into a country.
Well, they have a massive...
From a top-down perspective, they've got a massive excess population.
That's true, yes.
And so they can export them.
They can afford to lose a couple of million people, especially in India.
There's lots of people there.
Another country that's very significant in this story...
is Turkey, and they actually talked about our migration situation quite a lot.
I don't know why that article's there.
It was a different one earlier, but this outlet was talking about migration.
I don't know why it's talking about space travel or whatever, but previously what I'd linked was talking about number of migrants arriving in the UK, and then here's another one here, another Turkish paper talking about it, and This is because they play a key role in people smuggling.
And here's a video showing people from Afghanistan traveling through Turkey.
I don't want to hear the noise, but you get the idea.
They show the flag of Afghanistan to Turkey to the EU. And you see lots of people trekking through the desert.
These aren't extras for a new Star Wars film.
They are economic migrants.
And Turkey has been using the migration of people trying to break into Europe to its advantage because they don't like the Greeks, do they, famously?
You know, there's a dispute between the Greek-controlled and Turkish-controlled areas of Cyprus and lots of tensions between the Turkish and Greek borders because, of course, long and historic conflicts.
And so they have been using migrants to basically torment the Greeks.
And because the Greeks are in the EU and the EU makes the Greeks share the burden of these migrants, then it means that the rest of Europe has to also pick up the slack to a certain extent, although many of them are getting into Europe and then migrating to their country of choice, normally either Germany although many of them are getting into Europe and then migrating to their country of choice, normally either Germany or the And, you know, it's very revealing that these two countries, the ones that offer them most, are the ones that they choose to go to, isn't it?
You'd think that perhaps they would be a bit more discriminatory, but no, they're going to the ones that give them the most money, which kind of reveals their motivation in the first place, doesn't it?
But the fact that Turkey's talking about this a lot suggests that they are, in some part, complicit in this, which they are, and so are Pakistanis, at least their state and the way they govern.
And India is.
And we can see other countries as well, unsurprisingly.
The Afghani press is talking about this as well.
Because, of course, lots of people, as we saw from the chart, come from Afghanistan to get to Britain.
Which is a bit more worrying because we were only in their country as an invading force not too long ago.
So, of course, there's a lot of potential for terror.
And by following which countries are talking about your news, you can find out.
It's a bit more difficult if you're America, of course, because everyone talks about it.
But there are lots of countries that haven't talked about this, but many of the ones you have are either European, and therefore have solidarity, or are actively involved in the migrant crisis in the first place.
Here's another country that's also involved.
Morocco.
This is a Moroccan paper.
Here they are talking about it as well.
Obviously, Morocco doesn't care about Britain's borders.
They're talking about it because there's interest in moving here to Britain.
And again, Sudan, they don't care about the UK except if they can move here to make more money.
I suppose, what are your thoughts on this?
Because this is a sort of novel way that I've come up with to figure out who is benefiting from this sort of thing, who is interested in moving here, and it could be a potential way of predicting if there are changes in people's demographics from their country of origin,
where they will come from in advance, and if we were to actually have a government I'll just say that I'm not prepared to call these people economic migrants.
Well, they're invaders.
They're here illegally.
But the point being that they're not refugees, are they?
Yeah, no, they're not.
That's why I'm highlighting the economic aspect, is that...
It wasn't criticism of you.
No, no, of course not.
The mainstream media.
Yeah, just parasites.
Chances.
Fifth columnists.
Mm-hmm.
Well, I mean, what you're pointing to is that these are essentially acting as a large advertisement to the populations of these countries who may want to go out and act as mercenaries to make money elsewhere and then send the money back home or just, you know, involve themselves in criminal trade, which is what they would be doing if the first thing they're thinking about doing is taking a boat over here instead of going through the legal routes.
Yeah, and of course, if a media outlet is reporting on this, you know, with data collection as it is, They know now which articles gain the most interest.
And so the fact these outlets are running these stories suggests that there is interest in the home countries about this.
And I don't think the average Sudanese person is going to be reading about this saying how terrible that all of these people like me are breaking into a country more rich and finding that they're better off.
They're not going to be saying that, not in a million years.
They're going to be looking at these sorts of stories and thinking, oh wow, I could do this too.
That's why they exist, and I think it's worth drawing attention to it.
And a little tidbit, before I finish as well, is that I think the discourse on immigration has shifted a lot in the UK and Europe in the past year or so, really.
It's shifted quite rapidly as well.
And I think this can be best illustrated by This article.
So there was recently released some official files that talked about how Tony Blair dealt with migration.
And here's The Independent, which is left-leaning.
And I'm just going to read a little bit from the start because their framing is very, very different than it would be a couple of years ago.
It says, Tony Blair's government pressed ahead with plans to grant unrestricted access to the UK for workers from Eastern Europe, despite mounting concerns among senior ministers, according to newly released official files.
Papers released at the National Archives in Kew, West London have revealed how Deputy Prime Minister John Prescott and Foreign Secretary Jack Straw both urged delay warning of a surge in immigration unless some controls were put in place.
The move was widely seen as having contributed to a major increase in immigration in the years that followed, with successive governments struggling to get the numbers back under control.
It is feared to have helped fuel the anti-EU sentiment which culminated in the 2016 Brexit vote.
And so they are sort of tracing the lineage in a bit more of an accurate way, because I think although Thatcher could in some way be held culpable to a certain degree, I think Tony Blair was the one that opened the floodgates, and they've correctly identified it stemming with him, and him personally.
And it's interesting here that they're framing it as a negative thing, even though this is talking about Eastern Europeans, which I think most of us have no issue with, really.
And I think it's particularly Polish people who came here.
And I still don't want them coming over in huge numbers.
Of course not.
But Polish people are very different than Pakistanis.
My experience of Polish people is they integrate very well, they're very polite, they do a good job.
Maybe that's just the Polish people I've come across.
I have a different experience with Polish people.
Maybe they're different up north.
Probably.
They're better able to integrate than others, but they do still form their own ethnic enclaves.
For instance, a lot of the corner shops in my town that are not owned by Indians are owned by Poles, who explicitly brand themselves as Polish shops selling Polish products for Polish people.
So they do still have that problem of separating themselves from the native population when they're in great enough numbers and not integrating.
That's true.
I mean, there is a reason that a lot of people, especially where I'm from, had a lot of problems with polls leading up to Brexit.
Obviously, those problems have been sidelined now due to mass third world immigration, which wasn't as much of a problem before the Boris wave, but I don't think it's right to say that there's still no problems with it.
Yeah, I agree with that.
I just think the scale of the problem now we're in the midst of Africans and Southeast Asia, well, basically, you know, subcontinentals and sub-Saharans.
The Polish people that I've met I liked.
It's just that a lot of them have been scrounging off of the dole and a lot of my family, well, some of my family friends have worked for the Home Office tracking down lots of benefits cheats who tended to be Poles.
That's what Eastern Europeans are pretty bad But my point being, not that I want lots of immigration.
I want no immigration whatsoever.
In fact, I want to send lots of people home.
And my point being is that if the discourse has got to the point where Eastern Europeans, who cause far less problems than our more recent arrivals, are being discussed in this way, then the discourse has come a long way.
Because beforehand, it'd be like, they're brilliant, they're helping the country, they can't do any wrong.
Now there's a sort of accusatory tone of, look at what you've done.
Yeah, your average Pole is less of a worry than your average Somali, let's say.
It's not even comparable, is it?
But there's absolutely no reason to have hundreds of thousands or a million Poles in Britain.
There's no need for that.
That's crazy.
Well, the Poles aren't going to come here anymore anyway, because Poland's now nicer than Britain.
Right, yeah.
So, if anything, we're going to be going over there and doing their electrical work and taxi driving.
It's funny that places like Albania, Albania's in terms of sort of...
Scenery is way nicer than Britain.
You're thinking as a British tourist now, aren't you?
I don't know, I'm thinking back to the Top Gear episode where they went to Albania and it looked horrible.
Oh really?
Obviously the scenery looked nice, but the actual civilisation there did not look very nice.
Just go to Greece.
Yeah, you've got Greece on one side and I think you've got, is it Montenegro on the other?
I'm off the top of my head.
But you've got lots of nice countries in the Adriatic there that you could pick from.
But anyway, my point being that there's a lot of contextualisation required from the illegal migration statistics, but you can infer a lot from them.
And once you understand the statistics, you can go out and look into the world, look at who's talking about these things, and you can actually learn quite a lot about the nature of the problem simply by who is interested in it.
And that is my lesson for this segment.
There is a lot of Elon praise that goes on on this podcast.
Elon has done, you know, quite a few good things that I have to be very thankful to him for.
But at the same time, I am nothing if not very skeptical and cynical in my outlook on the world and have to apply that same cynicism and skepticism to Elon Musk After he had an enormous and terrible outburst last week, on Christmas Day no less, that showed that I do not think he is our friend in the long run.
I do not think that his long-term goals align with ours.
I think he is a globalist at the end of the day who wants to see America, he said this explicitly, as a sports team with which he can hire anybody.
Any talent from anywhere in the world to reach his own goals.
I do not see him as being our friend in that way.
And I will go over all of the evidence for that, and I have quite a lot, so I'll try not to take up too much time.
But just to say that this all kick-started, from what I can tell, over this.
So this man is Sriram Krishnan.
Who has been appointed as Donald Trump's new AI advisor coming into his next term as president.
And a lot of people saw this and had issues.
Obviously, I think that this post is over-egging it a little bit because it says, did any of y'all vote for this Indian to run America?
He's only an AI advisor, so he's not going to be running America.
But a lot of people have noticed that a lot of Donald Trump's picks...
Outside of the immediate ones regarding illegal immigration, like Tom Homan, who's going to shut down the borders and all this, are very, very in favour of opening the floodgates to more legal migration.
And we always talk about this, how illegal immigration is everything that the press wants you to think about, everything that the media wants you to focus on, because where the real numbers tend to be coming from is legal migration.
And they treat it as if there's some qualitative difference And there can be, sometimes, between the quality of people coming in illegally and coming in legally.
But I make the argument that if the same person comes in illegally, gets deported, and then comes back in legally, guess what?
they're still the same person, nothing about them qualitatively has changed and so there's still going to be a negative coming into your society and on a broader level, a nation cannot survive if its entire population is swamped by foreigners.
That will fundamentally change the character of the nation and so a lot of people were very upset about this and just to give a bit more background, so he himself came to the US from India in 2007 and became a US citizen in 2016 Indian tech workers initially praised his appointment but have grown concerned by MAGA criticism because most of the criticism has been coming from the MAGA base
Who see the problems with legal as well as illegal migration and say, well I don't care if they're coming in legally, I don't want them coming in at all.
If I'm going to be replaced, then just by saying, oh well it's legal so therefore it's fine, is like saying, well it's legal to break into your house now so it's fine that we stole all your stuff.
Yeah, legal justifications are not moral justifications, are they?
And I think that people were right to be concerned about this, and I think that I'm a bit worried about Trump's allegiance to the techno-globalist faction.
They helped put Trump in power pretty explicitly.
Yeah, they all certainly aligned with him, and a lot of people saw this as the tech bros have come over to MAGA. I see it more as an alignment of MAGA with the tech bros.
Yeah, because at the end of the day, politics is decided by capital, not capital by politics.
And it's the money that's going to decide which direction politics goes, because that's the way it's gone in Europe and North America for time immemorial at this point.
Yeah, so this article quotes somebody called Anuj Christian, who is an Indian who's trying to go through the visa system in America so that he can get his green card, and he says that Christian's appointment felt personal because, quote, he has personally been through the immigration system.
Someone who has personally been through this issue is close to the president now.
That's never happened before.
Would it shock you if I told you that this Anuj Christian also runs an immigration advocacy group called FAIR? So immigrant sees another immigrant get close to the president.
This immigrant runs a group that says you need more immigrants and says this is good for me and my group.
Not good for America.
That's not what he's thinking about.
It's good for my group, because more people like me can come over and take advantage of the system.
Well, this is something that we've seen lots of examples of, where you get one Indian, and then all of a sudden, overnight, everyone's Indian.
This has happened with a number of tech companies themselves.
I forget the name of the company.
And Swindon!
And Swindon, yes.
Yeah, where we're based.
But one tech company, whose name I cannot recall, I should have looked it up, appointed an Indian CEO who then immediately, over Zoom, fired all of the American workers and replaced them with overseas Indian workers.
This is just a repeated pattern that we can see over and over and over again.
And Krishnan...
It's going to be no different because it says here, his appointment has a unique resonance for those who've gone through the system.
He's spoken openly about the challenges of navigating US immigration and has advocated for raising the country-based green card caps.
These calls for change have been a recurring theme of the Arthi and Shriram show, a podcast he hosts with his tech entrepreneur wife.
So, this guy's been appointed, and he is going to be close to Trump, and presumably, along with all of the other stuff that he talks about, he's going to be saying, well, you know who's great at AI? Indians.
But we've got this cap on Indian migration, so maybe if we want to win, whatever that means in this context, winning on the global scale, America's already the global hegemon, China is a paper tiger, but they always infer it so that you can think that, Oh, China might win.
Oh, China might have higher market caps than we will, and then all of a sudden will, and then America will sink.
If China has a higher GDP than America, America will literally sink into the ocean.
That's what happens, right?
That's what global warfare looks like now.
Who has the biggest GDP? Whoever doesn't sinks like it's a battleship or something.
It's also worth mentioning as well that China has a significantly larger population, which is not an advantage, it is a disadvantage for China, because the average American has a lot more disposable income to invest in business ventures than the average Chinese person.
So either way, I think it's perfectly reasonable that people are worried that they see this guy come in and they go, well, he, alongside a few of the other people that he's appointed, even Elon, is going to be saying, we need more immigrants.
And America's immigration situation is interesting.
The globalists just are not going to stop, are they?
No, of course not.
They will not stop until it comes to blood and misery and tears.
Well, I don't think they see it that way, but going to American immigration figures on the legal side of it, so in 2023, you can see that there was already, what was that, about 1,172,000 people come in, and these are legal permanent residents.
Now, that's actually...
Not that big a number when compared to the UK, because the UK has similar figures for people coming in.
Not net, but gross.
And we're a much, much smaller country.
And America's much bigger, they can take more people.
But I think it's important to keep in mind, that's still a huge number.
That is still an absurdly large number of people coming into the US every year.
And you can look back and go, well, yeah, but American immigration has always been pretty high because it was the new world where people wanted to go to in the first place.
But the fact is that all of these spikes...
Depending on where those immigrants come from constitute a change in the American character.
People have noted that the various ethnicities that have come to America over the centuries have always brought their own culture and always brought a change to America.
But...
Previously, they were mostly from European backgrounds.
But even in the early 20th century, when you had massive numbers of, say, Jews and Italians, mostly from eastern parts of Europe that were very, very socialistic, flooding through into places like New York, that massively changed the character of those cities, at a point where the people who had previously occupied them did not like.
That's just a fact.
This is what always happens.
It will always change the character of your country.
Obviously, you had the immigration restrictions for a long time, up until 1965, and then it starts to go back up again.
Then you start to get more and more third-world immigrants coming into the country, more and more Mexicans.
But still, this is still huge numbers.
And what does Elon want?
He wants more.
And he's been going on about this for a long time.
This is as recent as December 12th.
Legal immigration of talented, hardworking and honest people will be expedited in this administration.
Going back to June.
I'm in favour of greatly expediting legal immigration.
We're going to Sort out the illegal borders, but we're going to make it so there's much bigger numbers of legal immigrants coming into the US. Going back to March, I think it's good actually to increase legal immigration with a simple requirement like hard working and high integrity.
Let them in.
And then you can go back even further than that.
This is going back to 2023. It's trivial to enter the United States illegally.
It's insanely difficult for legal immigrants to move to the US. This is madness.
We should greatly increase legal immigration.
We should greatly increase legal immigration.
I think we should significantly increase legal immigration.
This has been a repeating pattern of things that he has said over and over and over again.
And I do not think that if you, just because of the fact that you are a rich billionaire who runs a tech company, means that you should have Anything to do with the legal immigration policy of the country that you occupy, because guess what?
Your priorities are not going to be the same as the nation's priorities as a whole, especially when it comes to the MAGA base.
One of the promises of MAGA Back in 2016 was that they were going to save American jobs.
There'd been so much offshoring and so much extra foreign labour coming to the country to undercut wages that people were sick of it.
They saw the white working class as having been left behind and abandoned.
This seems like that same betrayal.
All over again.
Because I do not think that Elon Musk is doing it for the sake of some kind of great innovation that Americans will be able to have as a result of this.
I think he's doing it for labor.
For cheap labor costs.
As soon as this whole controversy around Trump's new pick came out, you had the sycophants.
Elon Musk's favorite sycophants come out like Mario Narfel, coming out saying, I mean...
I will say, not all patents are equally of value.
Not all innovation is of equal value.
So I recently re-watched Better Call Saul, the first series.
There's a wonderful scene in one of those episodes where Saul is trying to sort patents out for people and some guy calls him over to his house and he's like, I've created the best toilet for potty training children.
It talks to them and gives them encouragement when they use it.
To make them want to use the toilet more.
And it talks in this big, exaggerated voice, and every time he drops something into the toilet, it goes, Ooh, yeah, fill me up!
Give me that!
And it's very disturbing.
That's innovation!
That's quite innovative, isn't it?
So, that's just a good thing, right?
So, that's good.
So, it's just...
Overall, just innovative output.
It doesn't delineate in terms of where these immigrants are coming from either in this.
Just immigrants good.
And here's where it gets even better.
Where he basically just says, minorities are better than you.
Because look at this graph.
Look at lowly, disgusting white Americans only having a household median income of $69,000.
Whereas Indians, well, they earn almost double that.
So they're just better than you.
They're just better than you because they earn more than you as households go.
Maybe this is because their households tend to be upwards of eight people, but you never know.
Yeah, if you have a larger household, and also there are more selective immigration standards for your population, because of course India, 1.4 billion isn't it, last time I checked?
Maybe it's 1.5 by now.
Maybe by the end of this podcast it'll be 1.6.
But yeah, it's just looking at the number at face value, rather than contextualizing it in a way that is actually useful to make judgments.
If Indians are so industrious and clever, why is India objectively a shithole?
And Taiwan.
Taiwan as well.
The Taiwanese, just better than you.
The Indonesians, Indonesia.
I'm even going to try to answer my question about India.
Well, Indonesia, that's a lovely country, right?
That's a lovely part of the world.
You want to live there.
So they must just be better than you.
Pakistanis!
Pakistanis!
You want to move to Pakistan, don't you?
Because that's such a wonderful country.
Definitely less inbred than white.
Definitely.
If these highly selective groups of immigrants in America who've been allowed in earn more money than you in the nation, that means they're just better than you.
Perfect logic!
Makes sense, doesn't it?
And so Elon starts responding to things like this, where he's like, oh, we've got a biggest limitation in Silicon Valley, because I care so much about the well-being of Silicon Valley's bottom line, as opposed to, you know, civilisation.
But Silicon Valley is civilization.
It's the ultimate endpoint of civilization.
I completely forgot.
The US semiconductor industry alone needs over 160,000 engineers by 2032. Elon responds to that saying, no, we need double that number yesterday.
So we need 320,000 new semiconductor engineers.
And I suppose all of the world's best engineers that are homegrown Americans, you know, there's simply not enough of them.
There's not enough people going through...
Education.
There's not enough scholarships being put out.
I mean, that's what was normally done, wasn't it?
Well, I mean, that's what he says here.
The number of people who are super talented engineers and super motivated in the USA is far too low.
Think of this like a pro sports team.
If you want your team to win the championship, you need to recruit top talent wherever they may be.
That enables the whole team to win.
Because America, it's not a nation.
It's not an ethnos.
It's not a group of people connected by shared culture and history and ethnic ties or anything like that.
It's a sports team.
I can swap you out with anybody if they're more efficient, if they're better for the bottom line.
That's a disgusting view of culture in civilization.
It's not even true that if one person succeeds that everyone benefits.
That isn't how an economy works.
The rising tide doesn't lift all boats, actually.
If anything, the opposite happens.
We need better AI engineers so we can better tailor our algorithms to activate the dopamine in your brain so that you're more addicted to our tech products.
And that's innovation.
And that's a good thing.
And that's why you can't have a nation anymore.
Sorry, that's why you just can't have nations or countries anymore.
Because we need more tech engineers.
Does that make sense?
It makes perfect sense to me.
Elon says, think of this like a sports franchise.
No!
No, I'm not going to do that.
And he says here, of course, of course my companies and I would prefer to hire Americans.
And we do, as it's much easier.
But there's just such a shortage.
And I think this whole sports team, because he says again, look at NBA teams.
This whole sports team mentality is perfectly summed up by this meme.
Oh, so I should just pay you full allowance, Timmy, when this Russian is willing to be my son for one quarter of the price with twice the level of obedience?
This is just economics 101. And then if you scroll down, they were both later made redundant by automation.
That's the kind of mentality this is going into.
Because, of course, nations can be seen as extended family groups, genetically speaking.
So if you wanted to...
To scale it down to the family, yeah, why wouldn't you just replace your kid with somebody who's a bit better behaved, brings more income into the family?
Because, you know, this family's a team, right?
We're a team.
A pro sports team.
That's how this works.
Think of your family as a sports franchise, is it right?
Yeah, and it's a completely bug-man mentality.
And on the bug-man mentality, what are they actually talking about when they say that you're high-skilled, we need high-skilled people coming into the country?
Well, Sriram himself retweeted this, saying empirically this is very true, so what does this say?
What's the high-skilled mentality?
It's underrated how many mega successful people are just innately way higher energy.
Sleep five to six hours a night, always on, work through weekends for the fun of it, etc.
It becomes painfully evident the more of these you interact with.
They just operate at high frequency.
And if you've ever met people like that, they're utterly insufferable and no one likes them.
Yeah, and also, I'm sorry, just because you are always switched on doesn't mean that you're coming up with good ideas, doesn't mean the innovation that you may be coming up with, because he says here, oh, they're going to be throwing out ideas at a mile a minute.
I'm sorry, those ideas are going to be shit.
If you are not sleeping well, if you have no leisure time, no family time, no time of friends, you don't exercise, I'm sorry, you're going to be a barely-functioning retard.
This is a third-world mindset, isn't it?
That quantity is a quality all on its own, whereas actually, I think, no, quality is good.
That's what Europeans built our civilization on, is that we adhere to the standards of quality and not quantity.
I mean, what they're pointing out here is that they want highly agreeable wage slaves.
That's what they're after.
Because somebody, in response to this kind of attitude, posted Benjamin Franklin's old daily work schedule, and actually he slept about eight hours a night, only worked seven hours a day, took naps, went for walks, thought about things, and just contemplated.
And if anything, they would go, oh, that's lazy!
That's like, who cares that he helped build a country?
You know, if he'd been working 14 hours a day, imagine how much more he could have accomplished, right?
Fetishising, being a slave.
Two people sprung to my mind was Charles Darwin and Benjamin Disraeli.
Both of whom would spend lots of time doing nothing.
Sort of literally stare, like, Disraeli sometimes said he would sit there and just sort of stare into space, just stare at his garden for, like, hours on end.
Yeah, just daydreaming.
That can actually be really good for clearing your mental processes.
It's like, um...
I mean, one of my favorite artists, David Lynch, he has an incredibly rigid schedule where he eats the same thing every day, he works the same hours every day, and it's not changed for decades.
And people have asked him why, and he's like, well, if I've got everything already set up, it allows my mind to kind of wander and be free and get the creative ideas.
This is like anti-Western mentality, anti-creativity, anti-innovation.
Anti-human.
Yes.
Just grind as hard as you possibly can forever until you die.
That's life.
It's like the Jocko Willinkization of society, that you've got to sleep on a bed of nails, wake up at four in the morning and run barefoot on broken glass to be anyone of any substance.
I mean, if that's just what you've got to do to make it in America, right?
But apparently, actually, Elon doesn't realise that the things that everybody already knows about are going on because he says, oh, there's just not enough people.
There's not enough Americans already available to fill all of these spaces.
Well, actually, that's just bollocks.
That's bollocks.
Because loads of people came out with basically this same story.
Here's my story.
Born in Appalachia, went to a top-tier university, interned in wealth management and training, recruited for all top investment banks and research firms.
Only offer I received as a job was to cold-call South American high-net-worth individuals on a commission-based salary with a 10k base.
Couldn't afford to take the job, but all of my foreign-born friends and classmates got the jobs I was actually after.
And you don't even need to go to these because corporate America bragged about it in 2023. Remember this?
Corporate America promised to hire a lot more people of colour.
It actually did.
The year after the Black Lives Matter protest, S&P 100 added more than 300,000 jobs, 94% of which went to people of colour.
I'm sure that was based on merit, wasn't it?
Yeah, that was just pure merit.
Merit.
There's other examples.
Merit.
Yeah.
And that one where he said, oh, we need to double the number.
Well, somebody responded to this saying, well, my son graduated with honors with electrical and commuter engineering degrees in 2023. He could not get an interview, let alone a job.
Any white male he knew in college can't get jobs either.
Many are currently working in data center jobs that don't actually require their education.
Guess what happened to this account?
Did it get suspended?
Deleted.
Deleted?
Yeah, because he ratioed Elon Musk.
We don't know exactly why.
So then people said, well actually there's a ridiculous amount of talent in America, because before third world immigration, America was actually still a really successful country.
It's run like a company to be fair.
So, how is it we were able to do that before all of these foreigners came in?
Well, we had a culture of success, education, but we know that that's gone downhill.
American education has gone downhill, they discriminate against white Americans, we know all of these things, they teach frivolous degrees, etc, etc.
So how about this?
How about this?
Open a school then, we have brains.
Elon Musk's response.
If you need a school, you've lost already.
Oh, shut up.
What does that mean?
This is one of the things, when this first sort of started to break on Christmas Day or Boxing Day or whatever, someone asked me on Twitter, what's your take on it?
I just immediately said, without even really looking at what Elon had said, I'd only seen a few retweets, but I just said immediately, no, America's got a population of over 300 million, 330, 350 odd million, whatever it is.
They've got plenty of people.
It's one of the most qualified populations on Earth, isn't it?
In the 20th century, they achieved engineering feats that the rest of the world weren't capable of.
So the idea that there's just not enough clever people in the United States, Native...
Well, not Native Americans, but, you know...
They're very good with their casinos these days.
White Americans.
European Americans.
Protestants.
Protestant European Americans.
The idea that there's not enough of them that are clever enough.
Nonsense.
Absolute balderdash.
Obviously so, as well.
And look at this, look at this as well.
Who pops up straight underneath?
Is it the festering tapeworm himself?
Yes, it is.
Ian Miles Chong, always willing to eat up any shit that Elon dumps on him.
It's painful how people just don't get it.
It's so painful.
Oh, it's painful.
Poor Ian.
He's in pain.
What, people don't want to be replaced in their own country?
They think if they want jobs that you might want to educate them?
Oh, these people are idiots.
These people are idiots.
They want opportunities?
Oh, sorry, that's going to Shriram and his extended family.
By the way, I mean, Ian Miles Chong has a vested interest.
Also, not American, never been to America.
He can't wait for us to be replaced.
I saw him reply to Steve Laws.
He said, good luck, hope you enjoy your replacement, or something he said.
Yeah, he's a scumbag, isn't he?
An absolute, yeah.
Yeah, and one of the worst ones.
The funny thing is, again, all of this completely unprompted.
Elon just decided to go to war on this issue, as he said explicitly himself.
The biggest slip-up was this one, right?
He deleted this tweet and a few others, but this was the most damning.
So, this Elon dick-stroking account, Autism Capital, said, oh, so basically the right split into two factions, TechRight and RightRight, TechJobs.
TechRight is like, hey, we need H-1B visa people to do the jobs, and the RightRight was like, no, you need to hire Americans, and the TechRight is like, but you guys are retarded.
So you're just calling Americans retarded.
Okay, okay.
And what does Elon respond?
Oh, that pretty much sums it up.
That's so insulting.
He deleted that one.
Sorry, I can't educate you and you're too stupid to educate and you're too stupid to hire in the first place.
Also, I've deleted this one because this looks terrible.
Okay.
And then he says later on, uh, the reason I'm in America, along with so many people critical who built, uh, SpaceX, Tesla, and hundreds of other companies that made, is because H1B. Take a big step back and F yourself in the face.
I will go to war on this issue, the likes of which you cannot possibly comprehend.
I'm comfortable with this guy advising Trump now.
Aren't you?
Him and Vivek, when they gut the American government, are they actually going to gut the American government or are they just going to replace...
They're going to gut it and then fill it full again with Indians.
Sew it back up.
And he says explicitly again in response...
It was a weird tweet though.
I couldn't believe my eyes when I saw that.
And then he says, oh, these contemptible fools, that being the MAGA base, the people that voted for Trump the first time and the second time on the promises that Trump was going to make America great again, and the whole point of make America great again was the whole point of Americans in the country, the citizens of the country.
Just remove those contemptible fools from the Republican Party root and stem, because we're racist.
Because we're meany-beeny racists.
Yeah, it's also not, you know, the people that you get in that are high-skilled on H1B visas, they still devalue the average American's life, don't they?
They still repress wages.
They do, yeah.
That's what they're there for.
And are we surprised, are we really surprised when Elon's teams tend to look like this?
Notice anything missing?
Women.
Well, there's one there, but notice anything else missing other than this one gentleman right here.
He seems to have a particular preference for the kind of people that he hires and surrounds himself with, but then he began walking it back.
Maybe this is a helpful clarification.
I'm referring to bringing in via legal immigration the top 0.1% of engineering talent as being essential for America to keep winning, keep thinking of America as a pro sports team.
But that's not what you've said though, Elon.
What you've said is you want to massively increase legal immigration into the country.
And you've said that over and over again.
You said you want to go to war over this, and you've said that anybody that disagrees with you is a racist.
So, let me ask you this.
How is your rhetoric on this, outside of it being for your own benefit, for your own company's bottom line, any different from an average leftist's?
That says, oh sorry, you want to keep your historic nation, that's racist.
Except instead of saying, well, we want to do it so we can destroy Western civilization, you're saying, well, so I can increase Tesla stocks.
It's not much better, is it?
No.
No, it's not.
And then, I made a prediction.
After this, all went down.
This little joke right here.
Well, Elon's going to have to start spamming interesting under a hell of a lot of racist posts if he hopes to win us back over.
Said this as a joke.
Said this as a joke.
Okay?
What's he doing now?
What's he done this morning?
Carl Benjamin.
Remember that Labour created Britain's Pakistani Muslim, blah, blah, blah.
Elon Musk.
Wow.
Wow.
I'm sorry.
You know that Carl Benjamin, that Sargon fella.
Yeah, I know.
He's alright, isn't he?
Elon actually retweeting it.
Yeah, you know, again, I don't think there's any problem with Elon amplifying this, but is it not funny that he's literally doing exactly what I said he would have to do to win people back over, and he's winning people back over?
That's funny.
That's funny, isn't it?
People often have amnesia in politics, don't they?
And at the exact same time, he also reinstates Jared Taylor onto Twitter.
Long time coming, yeah.
As of yesterday.
Could this be some kind of PR campaign to save his image after he made so many completely unprompted mistakes?
No, maybe.
Maybe.
I'm just throwing it out there.
And also Vivek Ramaswamy echoed the same sentiments unsurprisingly.
America first means we want America to win.
Playing for second place doesn't cut it.
What does second place look like?
Does America...
What does win mean?
What does win mean in this?
Does it mean that you're...
You have to make a massive mistake not to remain the global hegemon.
Yeah, does it mean that your company doesn't have as great a bottom line as you would like it to, therefore China wins?
Even if you had a random raffle where an American city was disassembled brick by brick every year, you would still be the dominant economy in the world.
Also, he revealed after this probably the most unsurprising thing imaginable, which is that he's actually a massively resentful nerd.
With this huge post, the reason top tech companies often hire foreign-born and first-generation engineers over Native Americans, in quotes, isn't because of an innate American IQ deficit.
A key part of it comes down to the C word, culture.
Our American culture has venerated mediocrity over excellence for way too long.
That doesn't start in college, it starts young.
A culture that celebrates...
Sorry, I need...
A culture that celebrates the prom queen over the math Olympiad champ or the jock over the valedictorian will not produce the best engineers.
Get back in the fucking locker, Vivek.
I'm sorry that you clearly just saw beautiful people having a good time at high school while you were going, I've been studying for so long, why won't the girls like me?
I'm sorry.
This is the complete opposite.
This is the complete opposite of reality.
America since the 80s has been operating on revenge of the nerd logic, where most mass media has been going out of its way to denigrate beautiful, successful people, because I hate to break it to you, mate.
Generally speaking, the jocks are the nice people in real life.
They're not ugly, resentful people, and they tend to be quite smart as well.
So this is just resentment seeping through.
I'm sorry.
I've never liked Vivek.
I've never trusted him.
No, I don't either.
Something about him which just screams snake oil salesman.
It's difficult to put your finger on exactly, but I just don't...
You don't trust him?
I wouldn't want him on the board of a business I was running, let alone having a central role in government.
Do you want to see the slave mentality come back into it as well?
We need more movies like Whiplash, fewer reruns of Friends, more math tutoring, fewer sleepovers, more weekend science competitions, fewer Saturday morning cartoons, more books, less TV, more creating, less chilling, more extracurriculars, less hanging out of them all.
Sorry, if you want a sleepover with your friends, you want to have friends, that's anti-innovation.
I was going to say, I want less being told what I can and can't do by some Indian dude.
How about that?
How about that?
This absolutely reeks of, this reeks of, the only way I've been able to succeed in life is I worked very hard, and therefore I think that this is the only way to be successful and happy.
Except Diddy.
Don't look into how Vivek made his money.
Don't look into how he made his money.
That's true, yeah.
Don't do anything like that.
His mum definitely didn't have anything to do with weird drugs trials that he made a lot of money off of.
Anyway, so this is all, in positive news, brought a lot of attention onto the H-1B visas, and what they're actually being used for, seeing as tech bros in Silicon Valley are very, very eager to bring in masses of people using them.
Okay, so there's actually a very interesting BBC article that addressed a lot of it.
So, since 2004, the number of new H-1B visas issued had been capped at 85,000 per year, 20,000 of which are reserved for foreign students with master's degrees or higher from US universities.
So a lot of people were saying, well, it's only capped at 85,000 per year, so why should you care?
Well, it's not actually.
That's a significant amount more.
Yeah, but the 2023 total is down from more than 474,000 in 2022. In 2017, then-President Trump signed an executive order, external, that increased scrutiny of H-1B visa applications.
The order sought to enhance fraud detection within the scheme.
Rejection rates hit an all-time high under the first Trump administration, external, reaching 24%, I think that's just not supposed to have been copied in there, So, Trump has previously improved this somewhat.
So, we can hope going into his next term...
Maybe he'll carry that over, but with these kinds of people advising him, I don't know.
In the three years that followed President Trump's executive order, about 1.1 million applications were approved, with about 343,000 of these being new applicants.
In terms of companies, Amazon was the top employer, external of people on H-1B visas in 2024, hiring more than 13,000.
So they were ranked number one.
Tesla ranked 22nd, employing more than 1,700 people on the H1B visas.
Can you guess where most of these come from?
These people coming on these visas?
Can you guess?
Walmart?
I don't know.
No, no, no, actually the countries.
Oh, the countries?
Is it India?
Massively.
72% of these visas were issued to Indian nationals, followed by 12% to Chinese citizens, and that's how you win against China, right?
Beat China by becoming Chinese.
Yeah, by becoming Chinese.
So that's interesting.
And people tried to say, well, don't you know, Werner von Braun, he was an immigrant who came over and got us to the moon.
But people were also like, yeah, he was German.
He was German.
How many Germans came over in 2022 on H1B? Less than 2,000.
How many Indians came up?
320,000.
It's not even comparable, is it?
It's a drop in the ocean.
But also, people then started to actually scrutinise, okay, what are these people being brought in for?
Is it the top 0.1% high-tech Silicon Valley jobs?
Well, it turns out there's a database that you can look at.
It turns out most Indian people are actually far more lazy than your average North-West European.
Not that they're super efficient and super hard-working.
It's not even necessarily that.
It's not even necessarily that, right?
Okay.
Is that there's a big database that gives you the breakdown of jobs that these people have got and what their salaries are.
So, what would you want H1Bs for?
Well, if you really need them, you would want them for these top percentage jobs that can't be filled any other way.
Not for janitors earning 30k a year.
Sheena's Cleaning Services got an H1B janitor.
There's really no point.
7-Eleven managed to get a couple of cashiers on an H-1B. You've got plumbers and welders coming in.
Can America really not produce its own plumbers anymore?
It's just suppressing wages across the economy, isn't it?
Can it not get welders anymore?
American people are just too dumb.
Yeah, can American people not cook?
Too dumb.
Anymore.
Can they really?
What a joke!
Didn't Elon say that as well?
Did I see that?
Just flatly said, we're too dumb.
I don't want to go over that because there was some ambiguity in who he meant when he said we, because he might have just meant Tesla.
But then all of a sudden...
Out of nowhere with the steel chair, Bernie Sanders decides that he's on our side in this issue, saying that actually this is all just to suppress American wages.
And this document that he produced has some good stats on it, saying, well, if there is really a shortage of skilled tech workers in America, why did Tesla lay off over 7,500 American workers this year while approving thousands of H-1B guest workers?
It's funny when a hardline, genuine lefty, their view just happens to line up with a nationalist or patriotic view, like Jeremy Corbyn being anti-EU, because it got in the way of...
You know, because it got in the way of the International Workers Revolution.
Nonetheless, he was on the same page as someone like Nigel.
Oh, yeah.
You know, like, twice a day, at least, a commie's correct, at least twice a day.
Temporarily.
Right, yeah.
We have aligned together.
Classic.
Classic.
And, as well, just to point it out, because I know people are saying, Sam Hyde also decided that he was going to become the American statesman that we actually all need, and posted this enormous 45-minute discussion on the subject called Dear Elon.
Well worth a watch.
I was going to say, is it worth watching?
I saw that he did something.
I watched the first half an hour of it.
I haven't watched it.
Is it worth It's excellent.
But then there's the other thing that came from this, which is unsurprising for anybody who knows anything about group dynamics, which is the ethnic resentment that came from this.
Now this gentleman, Cash, is an engineer employed at Twitter.
So it's good to know that these sorts of sentiments are coming from him.
He says, So you're denying our existence, okay?
Except getting a job and having children.
Except we already covered how a lot of them just aren't allowed jobs anymore, so that's a great start.
If you're getting replaced, it's because you're incapable of successfully playing your part.
There's also been lots of studies done into the effects of massive ethnic diversity on native birth rates in countries and massive overpopulation.
Well, it doesn't work well.
What genocidal thing?
Go back to where he just said, if you're getting replaced, it's just because you can't compete.
What absolute insane nonsense.
And then you get other people like this Danielle Fong saying, America first, but by America we mean mediocre white guys.
So this is just racial hatred.
But that's allowed.
That's allowed when it's Danielle Fong and Cash and other people if they just hate white people.
That's absolutely fine.
And here's one where I'm an immigrant.
I think native-born Americans are effing spoiled and entitled.
They just hate us.
I'm sorry.
They just hate us.
And then they just end up by saying...
We're like the Jews now.
American Indians are in the same boat as American Jews now.
The hate is tangible.
It's biting.
It's in DMs.
Down to start an Indian Jew matchmaking website.
Let's win this S. Win against who?
Win against China?
No, that's not about China, is it?
No, that's win against the people that you hate, which are foundational Americans who've been there for generations.
But there is hope, just to finish off this segment.
I wonder what Jewish people think about an explicitly Indian-Jewish matchmaking website.
Will they be up for that?
I don't think they would.
I feel it's unlikely.
But there is some hope that I'll get to in a moment because, sadly, the whole point of this is, okay, what's Trump going to do in response to this?
With these people in his ears, what is Trump going to do?
Well, sadly, last year he made a comment on a podcast that he wanted to give green cards automatically to all graduates from college, which is not promising.
And he has stated a number of times that he supports legal migration, that being huge numbers of new people coming into the country.
So, he's made some worrying statements regarding this, but some have said, Patrick Casey has said he said these sorts of things back in 2016 as well, and yet if you look at the figures, they still went down under his presidency.
So, maybe people are worrying a little bit too much about what Trump himself has said, but I do think it is very worrying what people like Ramazwamy, like Elon, and the people they surround themselves with, have said on this subject, because they clearly want to push for massively opening the borders of America as a nation, to the detriment of the American workers and the American people who are already there.
Yep, he's gone on.
He's trying to say, oh, we need to pay attention to the grooming gangs in the UK. We need to do this and that.
He's buttering up Karl.
I think it's all a PR move.
I think he's trying to repair his reputational damage that he's received over the past week because all of this is absolutely terrible, was completely unprompted, but clearly how he actually feels.
Okay, so as mentioned briefly a minute ago, I think building on that is the idea that people are going after Elon, the UK government and the EU government.
He does seem to have entered into a war of words with the British government.
What was he saying yesterday?
Cole did a bit yesterday.
I didn't watch it, but talking about Jess Phillips, where he's just explicitly saying she should be arrested.
Or I saw today he said that she's like a genocidal rapist apologist or something.
I'm paraphrasing slightly, but something along those lines.
Very, very strong words in other...
In other words.
So, yeah.
Now, it does seem that the mainstream media, the mainstream corporate media and all sorts of interests do want to try and take Elon down a peg if they can.
For example, every now and again you'll see the headline that Twitter is in trouble.
Twitter is going, or X, is going to fold.
It's a terrible failure.
It doesn't make any money.
It never did.
So, I mean, Channel 4 News did a piece which was basically just trying to say, without explicitly saying it, leave Twitter.
Well, I did explicitly say it.
Leave Twitter and join Blue Sky.
Is it called Blue Sky?
That's it, yeah.
By the way, don't go on there if you value your opinion on humanity.
I'm never going to go on there, please.
I'm not going on truth or gab or whatever.
It's fine.
Twitter till you die.
Yeah.
So yeah, Channel 4 News just did a piece.
And I just picked it out because it's indicative of the type of hit piece you see fairly regularly and increasingly more so.
I mean, even you guys are old enough to remember that not that long ago, five, ten years ago, Elon was more or less the darling of sort of mainstream media.
Was, they would bang on about him all the time, wouldn't they, and say how great he was because he had an electric car.
Yeah, exactly.
Right.
But I'm not sure if you're going to get onto it, but a lot of the purpose of these articles isn't necessarily to represent the truth.
I'm sorry, I'm stealing what you're going to say.
It's to damage their bottom line for political reasons, right?
By them saying it's failing, people believe it's failing and therefore treat it as if it's failing, which damages the company.
Even though I don't think it's in any much more of a worse place than it was before.
And the fact that some people are leaving.
I do think I have a bit of a controversial opinion here that a lot of the leftists leaving X or Twitter, whatever you want to call it, is a bad thing.
Because I think it's better to have everyone on one platform than having their own sort of echo chamber.
What is it?
Yeah, it's a shame, not only because I enjoy winding them up, but also that it gives them a certain amount of accountability.
Like, having politicians on there, you can give them a piece of your mind.
They can load up their Twitter and everyone hates them.
I think that's important, knowing that no one actually likes them.
And you only need to see a Keir Starmer post or a post from Joe Biden where everyone is replying saying how much they hate them.
I think that's somewhat valuable.
Of course there is somewhere between just being completely open to all and being an echo chamber, right?
So I imagine that if anything, Blue Sky is more of a lefty echo chamber than Twitter is a right-leaning echo chamber.
I think there's still plenty of crazy, lefty, commie, traitor globalists on X. There's still plenty of them.
Of course there are, yeah.
There's no shortage of those.
I know, but I want to see all of them in one place so I can diversify my torment.
No, I like Twitter.
I like that it's just a stupid, crazy Royal Rumble free-for-all all-on-all at all times with almost no holes barred.
It's pretty brutal, right?
It can be pretty brutal.
But I like it.
I think it's good.
You know, you live by the sword, you die by the sword, right?
It can certainly be fun.
Yeah.
I mean, you have good days and bad days, right?
Some days you get pwned or you get dogpiled on or whatever, fairly or unfairly.
Sometimes you get a nice sweet little win against someone, get a jab in against someone you hate and they've got no comeback.
I like the crazy free-for-all, but I do get how it's not everyone's cup of tea.
And if you were very sensitive about hearing political views that you can't handle, I can see why people would hate it or want to destroy it or undermine it or dismantle it in whatever way they can.
I do think since Musk has taken over, there has been a financial incentive placed in the changes he's made to monetisation for more low-quality engagement baiting posts, comparable to the meta on YouTube where the clickbait titles and thumbnails...
That are pretty much everywhere, and the only way to have a channel that is sustainable is to play the game.
The same thing is going on with Twitter, whereby you've got to spoon out as much slop as humanly possible to play the numbers game to make it, whereas actual high-quality posts and things that people have taken time over Tend to get buried in mush, in nonsense, drivel, that Elon Musk actively promotes, as does his algorithm.
And I think that this is a bad thing.
And I think that although I don't support the censorship that came before, people tended to be more articulate.
Well, that's what I was going to say.
It's just different.
I would say it's not as bad.
I'd much rather this model which promotes slop than just a lefty censorship project.
If it was an either or, of course, yeah.
Right, yeah, yeah, yeah.
Still, you're quite right.
All the things you said, the way it's monetised does just favour engagement farming.
I just personally, I'm not actually monetised on there, but I am close, could get there quite easily.
But I've just decided to not do, just made a conscious decision.
I'm not going to engagement farm or I'm not going to post slop.
I mean, once in a blue moon, maybe if it's funny, but largely just write whatever I'm going to write organically.
And if I get loads more followers or if I get monetized, so be it.
That'll be nice.
That'll be a cherry on top.
That's a healthy attitude towards it, isn't it?
On what Josh was talking about, I've noticed two things, which is on the monetization side.
One, some of Elon's preferred posters that he likes to interact with seem to have suspiciously large amounts of money that they get from their monetization for the amount of interaction they get sometimes.
Is that right?
I didn't know that.
I've thought it's a bit funny sometimes.
And secondly, he and a few others recently announced that there is also something that is going on where basically verified accounts blocking you means that your reach will gradually be made smaller and smaller and smaller.
So, the way that I phrased it is that if Elon's preferred pay pigs don't like what you have to say, you'll basically get shadow banned.
He's unintentionally sort of deputised a bunch of paid hall monitors, is what he's done.
And, you know, the slop merchants, if you get in the way of their swilling of slop, even if you're having a legitimate political debate, you're going to be punished financially, basically, if you're a large enough account.
That it's going to disincentivise people having legitimate discourse.
And for a free speech platform, that is a catastrophic failure.
So, anyway, the lefties and globalists, although we were just talking about how Elon is something of a globalist, but anyway, the anti-Elon brigade do like to talk about in the mainstream media from time to time how he's just about to fail.
How everything he touches looks like it turns to gold but in fact it all turns to crap and it's just about to all fall apart.
He's going to be in the government and I've never known a person who is part of a government having their business fail ever.
It's funny that isn't it?
It's funny how that works.
But I mean, I would bet my bottom dollar that if Starmer thought he could get away with it, if he thought there were no repercussions whatsoever, I'm sure he would just ban Twitter in the UK, I would have thought.
I don't even think there would be a massive amount of pushback, to be honest.
It's like he's interfering in our democracy and we need to do this for our national security and all the lefties would agree with it and most people would be like, grumble about it and go along with it and there'd be a small minority of people that wouldn't agree with Starmer anyway.
Yeah.
So, yeah, Channel 4 just saying a few thousand people have left Twitter, so it's sort of, it's all over.
A few thousand?
Ah.
I know.
It's still absolutely the most dominant website of its type, isn't it?
By a long, long, long way.
I thought I'd just look up the, if you go to, someone go to that third link.
That's one day.
Can you go to max on the far right?
One year, five year max.
Yeah, just click on that.
Make Twitter fun.
Sorry, the share price is fine.
There's no peak or trough.
It's remained pretty static for the past 15 years, really.
So, once again, the corporate mainstream media, in this one example, Channel 4 News, Just feeding you liars and liars by omission and half-truths and the whole smorgasbord of different types of liar.
But hey, that's what they do.
That's their stock in trade.
Wait, was we just...
Is that...
That's not...
Oh, it is X. United States Steel Corp.
Were you looking at the right one?
I think I wasn't.
I thought as I was looking at it, I was like, this is an X, but maybe Bo's playing some 5D chess here.
Well, let's fact check ourselves in real time here.
It's basically the same.
So you will have comments saying actually, but also the argument still stands.
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