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1,072 on the 6th of January, 2025, and this is the UK Invasion edition.
So, we're going to be talking about, what was it, Elon Musk has been out of the news for zero days, and has managed to come storming into the top of the headlines with his latest input.
I'm sick of hearing about him.
Someone else needs to do something notable now.
Well, I quite like that.
This intervention.
This one is quite good.
This one's good.
Yeah, I'll give him that.
He may have spotted something the rest of us have spotted a while ago, which it is possibly time for Nigel Farage to step down gracefully after having achieved a great deal.
And also we've got Stelios, who is going to be talking about the Presidential Freedom From Consequences Medal, I think.
Yes, yes.
Thank you, and Happy New Year, and I'm glad to be back.
Very good.
Right.
Josh, what has Elon been getting up to today?
So, Elon Musk previously has called Nigel Farage to resign, right?
And so, that is a little bit left of field, I feel, because it wasn't that long ago that he was offering to pay them lots of money.
About 200 million or something.
We'll get to all of this, because to understand why he's done this, you need to have a little bit of background.
And basically it's all kicked off after Elon Musk has been looking at the Pakistani grooming gang scandal in the UK. And we're going to be discussing the Elon Musk versus Nigel Farage.
I mean, it's a small point of order, but I think we've got to get into the habit of calling it the child rape gang scandal rather than the grooming scandal.
That works for me.
It's just the name that most people know, but that is more factually accurate.
Because, I mean, grooming sort of conjures up images of grooming a horse, or you're taking a dog to the dog beautician.
It's a euphemism, isn't it, that softens the vileness of...
But really what we're talking about is children being raped on a large scale, which is less appealing than...
Yeah, it's one of the most awful things that's ever happened in Britain, in our history.
But we are going to be talking about this, I suppose, debate between Elon Musk and Nigel Farage in a roundtable and its implications for politics.
This will also include Connor, Harry and Carl.
And so it's not just going to be our opinions, it's going to be all of us.
So you're going to be able to see later on, I think about three o'clock UK time, this will go live.
So if you're watching this on YouTube later, we've already gone live.
And you can check out other people's thoughts and in greater detail there.
But with that out of the way, one of the things that Elon Musk said just under a week ago now, on the 2nd of January, And this was quite interesting.
So he's been on this grooming gang.
I'm going to continue to call it that just because that's what everyone knows it as.
Yes, even though I do agree with what you're saying.
And he's been on this tirade against this.
And I noticed in this tweet, Starmer was complicit in the R of Britain.
YouTube doesn't like that word.
I know you've already said it, but still.
When he was head of Crown Prosecution for six years, Starmer must go and he must face charges for his complicity in the worst mass crime in the history of Britain, which, you know, very difficult to disagree with that, isn't it?
And it's worth mentioning what he's got in caps there, because that very term is the name of Tommy, the bad man, Robinson's, that's bad man according to online censorship.
You can't even say his name.
That's the name of his documentary about the very same thing.
So it's suggesting that Elon Musk has watched this, and therefore that is why he's talking about this, and it's probably why he's posting things like this, free Tommy Robinson.
So he's been on a bit of a Tommy binge, it seems, for better or worse.
He's talking about, I know he's in prison for contempt of court, FFS, I'm not going to tell you what that stands for if you don't know, but there is no justification for such a long prison sentence and for solitary confinement.
And it is worth mentioning as well, this was a civil case as well, and so it's quite unprecedented that you imprison someone in a civil case, let alone put them in solitary confinement for 18 months.
And so this is what...
Many people argue is a political...
Just a point of reference on that.
We recently had a guy convicted of the rape of a...
I mean, she wasn't even a teenager.
She was a 12-year-old.
And this happened over a 24-hour period and involved about a dozen men.
And he got three years.
And he won't be going into solitary.
No.
So the sentence is handed out to British people who embarrass the state.
It seems like it.
Well, I mean, it is.
So, the Labour Party's obviously responded to some of these things, and we will be getting on to what Elon Musk and Farage have been exchanging on, and what people have been saying about it.
It's important to know what has actually been said here as well.
So here Starmer was hitting back at Elon Musk saying he tackled the grooming gangs head-on as chief prosecutor because he released a statement at 10am this morning at the time of this going out.
And he said lots of interesting things.
He also, Starmer in his statement, said that Robinson was currently in prison for jeopardising for contempt of court of a grooming case, which was one of his previous prosecutions, but is not why he's currently in prison at the minute.
And so that was actually factually incorrect, which was a bitter irony because, of course, he later goes on to say that the far right are using misinformation to basically threaten with violence both himself and Jess Phillips was the gist of what he was saying in the clip I saw.
Well, I think Karl is looking to get into this particular aspect tomorrow.
But I mean, for anyone who missed it, I mean, basically, it's Starmer getting up there and saying that he wants to go after people who spread lies.
And the implicit assumption, of course, is that he is the one who gets to determine the truth.
And you're saying as much here as well, that he's spreading lies and he described people as poison.
And also, if he does this, exactly what you said, the end game is silence.
Because the only way to not spread, to not risk spreading misinformation is to not speak.
Yeah, just let the government determine what is true.
I wanted to ask Josh something about the first clip you showed.
From my understanding, not necessarily mine, but...
As far as a lot of people are concerned.
Labour is supposed to be the progressive party that cares about women, you know, all these, all minorities, let's say, or groups that are considered to be minorities.
Why would, let's say, Jess Phillips be against an inquiry on the issue?
It's a rhetorical question for me, but it's a question that needs to be posed.
Yeah, well, it's a similar reason as to why the police in many northern towns covered it up, that they're afraid to come across as if they're being racist.
That's fundamentally what it's about.
They're worried about things coming back to bite them.
And so they're putting themselves over the victims.
I think there's an even more direct answer on Jess Phillips in particular.
Yes.
In her constituency of, was it Birmingham Yardley?
That's right, yeah.
She beat out the Islamic candidate by less than 700 votes.
So if she does anything to the Islamic community who stand together, they protect their child rapists, she's going to lose her seat.
So she's the minister for safeguarding, but what she's actually safeguarding is the rape gangs.
If I understand what is being said correctly and what people need to understand is that the left will have to make a choice between groups that they think they can represent.
I think they made that choice already?
They've already made it.
A lot of people who follow us, they know this, but we also have a larger audience.
And that's the issue.
The left is constantly talking about how they are representing almost every group.
But a lot of groups are frequently having clashing interests.
And to add to what you were saying before, if we accept the racism fear interpretation of why the police didn't investigate as much as it should have, that means that the police isn't doing its job because the police's job is to enforce the law.
It's not to...
Well, it's a very complicated issue, isn't it?
There are multiple different facets to it, and I think ultimately what it was is there wasn't enough of an appetite to make these people see justice, and that is a serious problem by most people's reckoning, and the fact that people are putting their political ambitions ultimately, or their career ambitions, above justice of small children is about as immoral as it can possibly get, right?
Well, I was going to say, I mean, it goes further than that.
There was Gordon Brown, when he was Prime Minister, when this was sort of first starting to happen, he sent instructions to police chiefs saying, do not investigate this.
But let's not get too hung up on this, because we've discussed this quite a lot.
We've got lots of stuff on the grooming gangs, and it's not necessarily the main focus.
It is just simply the context in which this happened.
And, of course...
After Elon Musk criticised Jess Phillips, Wes Streeting, the health secretary, went on and said it was a disgraceful smear.
So the Labour Party have been out to support themselves.
And as of this morning, Elon Musk has asked the question, America should liberate the people of Britain from their tyrannical government.
And of course, he's going to be assuming government on the 20th of January.
And so that's someone in the American state.
Floating the idea that they invade Britain.
Yes, I responded to Elon and said, look, if you'd follow me back, I will happily supply you with a list of high-priority targets for your Tomahawk missiles.
And that is why you're tippity-top at the minute of the intelligence agency's watch list.
Yes.
Well, to be fair, just in case anyone accuses me of shilling for the American military-industrial complex, I am also open to offers from Putin.
And I've got mixed feelings about this, because if it's the Americans, well, when the troops are around, they want a Budweiser, and I don't particularly like Budweiser, but we share a common language, it would be easier to communicate.
Whereas the Russian chaps, you know, I've got a whole freezer drawer full of vodka, but I don't speak Russian.
So, you know, mixed feelings on which way goes.
But as long as we get invaded and liberated, I'm not fussed as to who exactly does it.
Well, I would rather we not be invaded.
Although, if the United States were willing to have some sort of political intervention, that would probably be a good thing.
But anyway, we've beat around the bush enough.
Here is what Elon Musk has said.
The Reform Party needs a new leader.
Farage doesn't have what it takes.
And, yes, this...
Came a bit left out of field, didn't it?
I was very surprised to see this, but it was a surprise, but a welcome one.
I bet Farage was surprised.
He said as much, yeah.
Because Farage had sort of been hoping that he was going to get that 100 billion.
100 billion, yeah.
And here's The Guardian talking about it in December.
Could 100 million of Elon Musk's money sway a general election for Reform UK? And there he is in a picture with Nigel Farage.
I don't know if he looks that happy there.
He doesn't look that happy.
What, Farage?
No, Musk.
Right.
He looks like he's been told off a little bit, doesn't he?
And so, he was obviously very pleased that Elon Musk, this is Farage, was backing reform and called him a hero.
Which didn't age too well, because this was on the 3rd of January.
And of course, Musk's comment was only two days later.
To get some background thoughts on this, we on the Lotus Eaters have been calling out Faraj.
So we supported him at the general election, but we've been calling him out and saying that he's really behind the curve on this stuff.
Faraj's sort of stated policy is to basically appease Islam until they take over in 2050. We'll be getting onto that, yes.
But I just wanted to make the point, we have been trying to warn Farage for a while that you're seriously behind the curve on this stuff.
And the response was, in fact, even Connor went to the lengths of writing a whole article explaining this, and at every occasion we were told to shut up or be ignored.
And in the case of Connor's article, Tice actually commented on this and said that it's garbage.
If you're reform, you can probably ignore the Lotus Eaters, who are being critical friends and offering helpful advice, and sincere helpful advice.
It's a lot harder to ignore Musk.
Especially in Musk's case, you've blown the opportunity for 100 million.
Well, Zaya Youssef was able to become party chairman with a £200,000 donation.
£100 million, who knows what Elon Musk can get for that.
I mean, Nigel Farage has already shown that he's happy for people to buy access to the party, hasn't he?
And by the way, I really despise the fact that Ben Habib got stabbed in the back, who was a party loyalist, popular with a base, and you parachute in a Muslim who donated you money, and then all of a sudden your stance on Islam is softened.
Well, it's not just softened, it's appeasement.
It is appeasement.
We have to appease Islam until they take over in 2050. And it's like, well, sorry, but you're supposed to be leading a nationalist party and that's your policy, that's unacceptable.
But, I mean, I make this broader point as well.
I mean, the reason that the right has so much trouble with this is because, especially the boomer cons, they have been inculcated in the post-war...
And I'm not picking on boomers.
I'm just making the point that they got it worse.
Because if you are greatest generation or silent generation, you remember a world before that time.
Whereas if you're boomer generation, you only have the TV and the mainstream press.
You only got one view forced down your throat in the schools, in the media, in all of it.
And you've been inculcated in this thinking.
And the origins of this thinking is basically that there is something wrong.
We have right-wing thought that is essentially the dark side.
Well, it stems from...
The Frankfurt School psychologisation of what caused World War II and they tried to posit that there's this authoritarian personality that is more prominent in right-wingers and is dangerous and leads to all of these bad things happening when actually this idea has since been debunked with further research and they actually suggested, some research at least, that it's more prominent, this authoritarian thing, which was...
Already written up to attack the right.
Even if you apply it even-handedly, it applies more to the left, according to one group of researchers, than the right.
And so it's this very mistaken, politically charged presentation of how these events happened.
But let's not get hung up on that yet.
I will get slightly hung up on it, because I just wanted to finish my thoughts on this.
Because where Farage is coming from is that...
So the left-wing consensus goes something like this.
It's all very well calling for traditional family values and low taxes, but if you carry on on that route, the next thing is you're going to be invading Poland.
I mean, they don't say it as explicitly at that, because it's obviously a nonsense when you just come out and say what it is, but that is the view that they put across.
As a result of which, what Farage does is he takes the classic right-wing perspective, which is however far right-wing I am, no-one can possibly be one inch to the right of me, because that's dangerous and we need to gatekeep these people out.
And what this results in is that the left have this huge hinterland around them.
So they have a huge hinterland of which ideas can spring up to their left and personalities and talent can spring up to their left.
And then they can look to those and incorporate the good ones, which gives them a depth of ideas and gives them a certain amount of dynamism.
Whereas the right...
As Farage has done, aggressively shuts down anything one inch to the right of them, which means they have no hinterland.
They have no sort of broader consensus building around them.
So, I mean, in my case, I was thrown out of reform.
So I was the Winchester candidate for reform, and I was thrown out because I advocated a policy.
That policy later appeared on page three of the reform manifesto at the next general election.
So not only can you not be one inch to the right...
Of wherever the leader is at any particular time.
You're not allowed to get there before the leader gets there.
So that means they are constantly shutting everything down around them.
And this was the mistake that Farage is making.
We were trying to warn him that the conversation has moved on.
The conversation is now about re-migration.
And you're not getting this.
You're still trying to present to people that reform is basically a version of the Conservative Party that's been kept in the fridge for the last 25 years.
And that is not what people want.
What we need, what we want, is re-migration.
And we're trying to warn him, but he wouldn't bloody listen.
That's very true, yeah, and I think that that's a pretty fair way of putting it.
And in fact, my main frustration with Farage is that he hasn't learnt the lesson...
From Donald Trump in that you can drag the Overton window rightward by proposing things and all of a sudden the window shifts rightward because it's what people are discussing and simply by putting something on the agenda you can make it more palatable to an electorate and if you have a large enough profile, which I think Farage does, you can move the Overton window yourself and what he's doing, his fatal mistake here and I'm going to...
Basically say the same thing as you, but explain it slightly differently, is he's keeping his rhetoric within the Overton window.
He's keeping it within this respectable window where he's trying to remain on the rails so that he can go to Westminster dinner parties and...
He isn't pushing it to the right, as he should be, which I think actually could lead to electoral victory, because lots of people, lots of the people who voted reform, are much more to the right than Nigel Farage is, and in many ways, people are seeing him as maybe to the right of the Conservative Party, who caused all of this mess in the first place.
Sorry, Stelios, you wanted to say something.
No, no, I can't finish.
Dan, sorry, you were...
Well, on your point on the Overton window, remember that the Overton window is a mile to the left of where it was before 1950. So from anyone before the 1950s, Farage would appear to be a very left-wing individual.
So of course it is possible to move the Overton window.
He's just too inculcated in this post-war liberal ideology.
Okay, I want to ask you something about this because I want to understand what the criticism is because I've been critical of Farage as well.
But I want precisely to understand what the point is because it seems to me that the criticism you're making is ideological and the criticism Josh is making is a bit more practical, a bit more concerned with practical politics.
So which is it?
It's both, I think.
Because if it's just...
Pure Realpolitik than the ideology is just rhetoric.
It's completely secondary.
I think that in politics, a lot of the time, ideology is a post-hoc rationalisation for doing whatever is in that politician's self-interest.
And I think that that's part of the reason why people are so cautious around Farage now, because we've had that with the Conservatives already.
And that's why people are so worried about the direction he's going to go.
Is he going to be another Boris Johnson that promises to reduce migration and actually massively increases it, or at least keeps it at the unprecedented levels that they're already at?
Here is what Farage said.
I'm going to quickly go over this.
Well, this is a surprise.
Elon is a remarkable individual, but on this I am afraid I disagree.
My view remains that Tommy Robinson is not right for reform and I never sell out on my principles.
Worth mentioning here, Elon Musk did not talk about Tommy Robinson at all.
He says, the Reform Party needs a new leader.
Farage doesn't have what it takes.
So he's inferred based on Elon Musk talking a lot about Tommy Robinson and Elon thinking, Well, these two people are roughly advocating for the same thing.
Why don't they get along?
It would be better for them to get along.
And he doesn't realise that actually Farage is keeping his distance from Tommy because of lots of other things.
But I think you had something you wanted to say.
Yeah, exactly.
I mean, if you come up to me and say, Dan, my sandwich has gone missing out the fridge.
And by the way, you've got a half-eaten sandwich in front of you.
And I start talking about something else entirely.
What am I doing?
I'm deflecting.
I'm deflecting from the fact that I do not want to talk about the sandwich.
That is what Nigel Farage is doing.
Nobody is talking about Tommy in this point.
Tommy is also going after the grooming.
We should all be going after the grooming gangs, including Tommy.
That is not the point.
What Farage is doing is he's dropping a smokescreen.
He doesn't want to talk about re-migration.
He wants to keep us in that left wing.
He wants to be at the right-hand side of that Overton window, but he wants to keep us in that left wing Overton window.
And so he's dropping Tommy Robinson as a smokescreen.
And unfortunately, I see a lot of people in the comments to this sort of stuff going, oh yeah, no, I agree with Farage, you know, you can't have Tommy Robinson in the form.
Well, nobody's asking for that.
It's simply a smokescreen.
The reason I think he's doing it is because he wants to communicate that the pressure that Elon Musk is applying on him.
That concerns Tommy Robinson.
That's why I think he doesn't.
I have a slightly different perspective.
I think that because Elon Musk went through a lot of flack recently for wanting all the H-1B visas, you know, importing in all of the skilled people from India and the likes...
He doesn't necessarily seem like someone who is very anti-mass migration.
And so I think what Nigel has done here is inferred that the reason Elon is saying this is because he's been on a big Tommy Robinson binge and it's not that unreasonable.
But a lot of the other people, myself included, replied to Nigel pointing out the fact that actually a lot of the criticism of your leadership isn't anything to do with Tommy Robinson at all.
It's to do with immigration and your...
Your lack of a strong line on it.
And I think that we all agree on that fact, don't we?
Sorry, Stelios, did you want...
No, no, that's the main criticism.
I think your next...
I think it's the next link makes that point abundantly...
Oh, that's me.
That's you.
Who is that?
Go up, go up.
Who's this guy?
Scroll up on that one.
Oh, sorry.
It should be Isabel Oakeshott.
So Isabel Oakeshott just lays it even more bare.
So she's saying, and this is the partner of Tice, the disgraced former leader, says reform is not going to align with Tommy Robinson.
People can like it or not, but that's the position.
Tice made this very clear when he was leader, Nigel Rogers of the same view, end of.
And I'm just making the point there, look, no one is asking for Tommy Robinson to join reform.
It's a smokescreen because you don't want to talk about re-migration.
But Isabel's one is just a little bit more...
Blunt and it's a bit more obvious that that's what she's doing.
We've seen a bunch of responses, and I think the most interesting one was from Ben Habib, who of course was the former chairman who was kicked out of the party unceremoniously and in a rather undignified way to parachute in Zaya Yusuf, the Muslim who donated £200,000 to buy his commission.
And he says, As far as I'm aware, no one, not even Tommy Robinson, is asking that he join reform.
You have answered a question which has not been posed.
Which?
I think he's a very good point, and that's what I noticed as well.
And it's worth mentioning as well, if you want to know a bit more about what Ben Habib thinks, he was on our podcast on the 2nd of December, so not too long ago, and you can hear him in his own words there, as well as Connor spoke to him on his show back in August of 2024 as well.
Another friend of the show, Harrison Pitt, said, no one is asking you to make Tommy Robinson chairman or deputy leader of reform, just that you quit with aggressively counter-signalling.
So here Harrison's basically saying you're just counter-signalling him.
There's no point.
If you don't like him, just, you know, be quiet on it.
It makes more sense to do that because I have been to a Tommy Robinson rally with Carl before just to see what it was like.
And when it was asked...
Who voted reform here?
Everyone said yes.
So it's a significant portion of reform's base if that is representative.
Exactly.
Farage could have just gone with...
I'm not here to talk about Tommy.
I'm not that familiar with what he's doing.
You can just reflect and you can just move on.
But what he's been doing is he's been...
Well, he's shutting down the hinterland, he's shutting down anyone one inch to the right of him, and he needs somebody like Tommy to exist.
Tommy's not even, you know, he's still within the liberal framework.
Yes.
He's still more of a civic nationalist in that he's...
Oh, he is.
He's not...
It'd be a very tough sell to say he's racist when you see him in videos with Sikhs and black people.
Half his mates are black, so he's definitely a civnet, yeah.
And it's kind of absurd to suggest that Tommy Robinson is, you know, far right at all, really.
In many ways, he would have been a liberal of 20 years ago, you know, in more of the centre ground.
Constantine Kissin, I can't even say his name because of the bile that comes up.
He is the only politician in Britain with the name recognition, common touch and charisma who can lead reform to any kind of genuine result at the next election.
Obviously at some point he'll have to hand over to the next generation but that won't have to be for a while.
There's no one who can fill his shoes now anyway.
Now we're going to be talking about Farage's leadership a bit later on in the segment once we're done looking at some of the responses.
As much as I dislike Kissin', I think that this is probably more likely to be a relatively significant view that Farage is a household name, other alternatives are not, and at the end of the day politics is about brand recognition more than anything and so a lot of the internal party politics who have the potential to work against Farage and install someone else
although that's very difficult and we'll get on to that well I'll speak well I'll come back on this more later but I mean my response to kissing there is well what's the point of winning then I do agree yes um we've also got Steve Laws here He's a coward and refuses to support re-migration.
Pretty blunt, but yes, he does refuse to support re-migration, which is why I don't support him.
Ian Miles Chong, you know, Elon Musk's shadow, for some reason came out of the woodwork and suggested Paul Golding, someone like him, needs to become the leader, which is a very strange analysis from his basement in Malaysia.
But okay.
Keith Woods weighed in.
Anyone that won't endorse mass deportations at this point is just in the way.
Yeah, I agree with that.
And here is Stelios' favourite Italian-based Cambodian, the slot merchant himself, Radio Genoa.
It's the funniest account out there.
We will do a lad's hour about this.
Furthermore, Reform UK should not have an Islamic but a Christian president.
Yeah, I don't think you should have a Muslim as party chairman in a...
A party that should be criticising the tenets of Islam.
Calvin, you know.
Our very own Calvin says, truer words.
To Elon Musk there.
And then we even had American commentators weigh in.
This is Elijah Schaefer.
Whoever will conduct mass deportation, stop the flow of immigrants from third world countries, put the native population first, put national interests above global corporate interests, must be the ones to lead every country in the West, waiting for that in the USA too.
I do agree with that.
This whole thing must be quite confusing for the Americans, because they're just learning about this sort of industrial scale child rape that's been going on for at least 30 years.
is for the first time and and they're probably quite rightfully shocked as to why this has been tolerated and supported by the state for so long and also the americans just don't get why tommy robinson is a problem now in this country we have been subtly inculcated for a long time as to why he's the worst man on the planet because he's been built up as this emmanuel goldstein figure this bogeyman figure because that that hasn't happened to the to the americans so they just hear what
Donald Trump's a good example of that, perhaps.
Although Tommy Robbins is not even running for office and never really has, has he?
No, he's just willing to go to jail for saying things that you're not allowed to say in this country.
So the Americans just hear him and think, yeah, that's quite sensible.
It doesn't really travel across the pond quite as well, because you've got to live in the muck, so to speak.
Your view of the world is too positive because actually America is probably a much nicer place to live than Britain is.
I wish it wasn't so, but alas.
And here's Lewis, another friend of the show.
He says, this consistent, unnecessary counter-signalling, he's taking a similar line to Harrison of Robinson, is by choice the refusal to go down the route of mass deportations, which again, very sensible, throwing his own MPs under the bus during interviews.
This is another thing, actually, yeah.
You want someone who is loyal as a party leader, don't you?
You want someone who's willing to stick by their own people for the benefit of...
Loyalty has to work both ways.
We haven't pointed out something.
If you're a leader, leaders are generally speaking a bit more restrained than others, but you need a base that is going to boost you.
Because you also need this when you're negotiating with people on the other side.
When you, for instance, exercise power, you have to constantly negotiate stuff with, let's say, people from all sorts of...
It's good to have people behind you who are sort of stronger in the rhetoric.
So this is why I don't think Faraj is ready for government, because Faraj wants to operate as a one-man band.
And if he's going to go into government, he needs a whole talent deck ready to fill positions.
But he doesn't have that talent deck because he constantly shuts people down and just makes it about him.
Well, there are so many good people in British politics, so many good names that are bang on the money about things and what needs to be done and even the right policies that we know we have the means to fix the problems.
It's just about getting those people in office and doing the actual job.
Yeah, but he constantly throws them out.
He does, yeah.
It's really quite frustrating.
But Lewis here is right, and he also responds to Farage himself, as well as Elon.
Nobody's asking for Robinson to be made chairman of Reform or an MP. Like it or not, many Reform voters cross over with their support of Robinson.
They're simply requesting that you not countersign all your opponents.
So you've brought this upon yourself.
And again, I think that that's a perfectly reasonable thing to say.
And the final one I'm going to go over is Tom Rousell, and I think that...
He puts it very similarly to how I thought about it.
And I couldn't have put it better myself, really.
I don't really care either way about Robinson.
Sure, he did some great work on the grooming gangs, but if Nigel wants to have him associated with the party or not, it's not important.
I know that...
He had advocated for people voting reform regardless, and fair enough.
Can I just quickly pick up on the leftoid who's commented below that?
Of course.
Because the leftoid below thinks they've got a really clever point.
They've shown some white people who've been convicted of something and says, would you deport these people as well?
And they think they've got a really clever, you know, they've really got you on that one.
Well, yes.
Yes.
I would be perfectly happy to deport or hang those people as well.
Yeah, the punishment should fit the crime.
It doesn't matter who does it.
Yeah, but from a left-wing perspective, they only have whites as enemies and non-whites as friends, and so they think that that's a good point.
It's not.
Yeah, hang them as well.
Am I allowed to say that on the podcast?
I've said it before, yeah.
Every population will have some criminals.
When it's, you know, the question is when it's foreign criminals who are overrepresented in crime.
It's easier to prevent, isn't it?
It's easier to prevent.
Yes.
And they're getting government support.
Yes.
And also I saw a lot of people who were saying online about Jimmy Savile and the Epstein Island.
No one was happy with it.
Yeah.
No, because they tried to somehow say, well...
They were silent about this.
You were silent about that.
No, no one was silent about it.
This whole tit-for-tat thing is a load of rubbish.
I think the people who object to the grooming gangs aren't going to be like, oh, Jimmy Savile was okay because he was white.
No one's saying that, are they?
They're probably just as disgusting.
But the left think that's how we think.
I know.
They've got no theory of mind on this stuff.
Look, there is a fundamental difference, though, and there is a racial distinction here, is that no white guy would be able to ring up 12 of his mates and say, as has been done the other way round, I've got a 12-year-old girl here.
Do you want to come around and help me rape her?
You know, how many white guys know 12 people who he could make that phone call to, and then people would turn up?
So that's distinction number one.
Well, it was the entire Pakistani community in these northern towns covered up for them, didn't they?
They didn't testify.
So that's point number two.
Point number two is that if a white person does this, the rest of their family will never speak to them again.
Whereas in the Pakistani community, they support them, they deflect, and they cover up for them.
So those are two fundamental differences.
But the underlying point, yeah, hang them as well.
I mean, it makes sense.
If you have basic intelligence, you don't want to be around someone who would do that.
They could potentially do that to your children.
Yes.
FFS. Well, this is the community we are having to pass a new law for, for banning...
Incest, yeah.
Incest.
Which, a third of all babies born with birth defects are from Pakistani marriages, and they're only a very small portion of the UK population, so they're massively over-represented.
I've tweeted about this.
Some cousins.
I ran...
I ran the numbers.
It's enculturated.
Like, in parts of rural Pakistan, 80% of marriages are first cousin marriages as well.
Not even second.
But anyway, let's talk about, is Faraj the man who can fix this mess?
And the first thing I've got here is this.
And there are lots of reasons to be sceptical of Nigel Faraj, because he has publicly stated on record, many times now, things that...
Are dissatisfying to the reformed voters.
I thought we should give a trigger warning to this.
But the number of it is, we have a Muslim population in Britain growing by about 75% every 10 years.
Right?
That's just where we are.
If we politically alienate the whole of Islam, we will lose.
We'll lose.
So how does one include them?
We will lose.
By 2050, goodness knows what.
Kind of a terrible state we're going to be in.
I mean, perfect example as to why Faraj is not the man.
We have to win in a way that it is pointless winning.
Yes, because of course, by 2050, we'll be right on our way to be a minority in our own country.
And of course, with the growth of Islam...
That's not going to bode well for the native population.
We saw the populations that came out after the Southport riots, didn't we?
We saw them going to mosques with weapons and the kid gloves the police put on to treat the Muslims as opposed to the white working classes.
They just said politely in their megaphones, please put your weapons in the mosque.
Whereas to unarmed white working class people, they got the riot police, the dogs, and A hefty stint in prison.
Longer than child rapists.
Muslims turning up with knives and bats, deliberately asking the police, like, listen, we can look after ourselves.
We don't need you here.
Well, there's two great clips of those Southport protests which the government labelled as riots.
One is which is a whole bunch of white people protesting the Southgate murders and a row of police with their backs to a group of...
Islamists who are throwing bottles over the top of the police at the white people.
And the police have got their backs to them.
And the other great clip was basically Sky News going out trying to make it about the far right when a group of Islamists came along and started smashing up their van.
In the background they were cutting tyres I think?
I'm trying to remember off the top of my head.
But basically someone came along and hijacked the interview and then they actually had to flee the area because they were pursued.
Tyres cut.
And that suddenly got brushed under the rug, didn't it?
They're actually the people causing problems.
And it is largely due to X that we have seen these videos.
That's true.
Or at least that the number of people who have watched them have.
It's circulated much more widely thanks to it, yeah.
So this is the most egregious one for me.
This was a sort of...
Moment where I'm just like, okay, there's no way I can support this guy anymore.
And this is Stephen Edgington asking Farage about mass deportations.
No.
I'm not going to get dragged down the route of mass deportations or anything like that.
Do you support mass deportations?
That's all we need to hear, really, isn't it?
Yeah.
I think the later part of that clip, he goes on to say that it's impossible to deport people.
Well...
That's not true.
He defines it as politically impossible, which is a sort of crafty way of saying, I don't want to be held accountable by my base for saying I'm not going to do something that I said I made out I would do, whilst also...
He's just trying to be sneaky, basically, is what I'm trying to say.
But this, I think you've got to be very explicit in calling for mass deportations now.
It is what the right in British politics has the appetite for.
And you've got to be ahead of the curve.
You can't be following it.
You can't just nudge at the edge of the Overton window.
You've got to drag it.
That is what the left did to get to the point where they are.
That's what you've got to do.
As the leader.
And it's not even that difficult at this point because the Scandinavians are starting to do it.
We could very soon have a German and French government that are going to be doing it.
Musk's going to be doing it.
It's actually quite easy at this point to do it.
Yes.
I think one of the ways this is happening is by cutting social benefits.
Yeah, there are lots of things we can do.
Ban house slaughter is another good one.
You know, make it so if you're married to your first cousin you can't live here, you have to leave.
I mean, if you receive social housing as a foreign-born resident, if you're not a contributor to the country, you get deported if you're foreign-born.
There are lots and lots of different things we can do.
It's very easy.
In fact, I've got a long laundry list of policies.
But anyway, Connor also, as you mentioned earlier, wrote this article.
Providing some very polite and gentle criticism of how reform has been conducting itself.
And this was mainly talking about the failure to nail down the commitment to mass deportations.
And Richard Tice explicitly called it garbage.
Now, what reform could have done is they could have listened to us, they could have listened to Connor, and they could have been 100 million up by now.
But instead, they're dealing with this firestorm, and they've probably lost 100 million.
I would imagine so.
Because Connor is hardly ever rude and spiteful.
Sometimes he can add the odd, underhanded comment.
But when he's been addressing reform, he's tried to be as cordial as possible.
And if they meet him with such hostility, when he's gently suggesting maybe you need to be a bit stronger on immigration, then that suggests a...
A real resistance to change and listening to their actual support base, which is very worrying if you want to see these sorts of things happen, which I think many reform voters do.
They want to see lots of the people that don't belong in our country removed because they don't contribute anything other than hoovering up money that we earn and committing crime.
We don't want that.
But anyway, it's worth mentioning as well...
Rupert Lowe.
He seems to be the shining light of the Reform Party.
He's doing lots of good things here.
He's characterised things here.
Musk is not the story.
The thousands and thousands of vulnerable white working class girls mass raped by Pakistani men are the story.
That's great framing.
Stay on target.
This is the point.
Here he is as well.
He's talking quite extensive but he's thanking Elon for his kind comments and talking about How people raising awareness might lead to...
So for me, this was a pitch...
Perfect response.
This is a display of political tact and skill that has simply evaded Farage and Tice.
We may as well read this then, I suppose.
I know I'm a little bit pressed for time, but I suppose we may as well.
So he says, Um,
I... Do you think, sorry, that his efforts in revealing these heinous crimes should not be overlooked?
I thank Elon for his kind comments.
I want to do what is right for my constituency and my country.
This is my only interest.
Nigel is leader of reform.
He made Brexit happen.
And for that, I will be grateful.
Grateful.
I look forward to working with Nigel and the entire team to continue to hold his incompetent Labour Party to account, democratise our own party, win the next election, form a reformed government.
A power from outside the existing political establishment is the only way to achieve the change this country so desperately needs.
And as you say, this is sort of It's pitch perfect.
It's staying on target.
It's acknowledging Tommy, but drawing a swift line that, no, he's not right for reform, but does it in a way that doesn't alienate his supporters.
It's tactful, yeah.
Yeah, it's very tactful.
He goes on to support Nigel for leadership of reform, but he does it by laying out the logic as to why Nigel is unsuitable.
So it's very clever, very on point.
Well done, Rupert.
He clearly has a level of political skill that Nigel just doesn't.
And here's what I liked about Rupert Lowe.
So he has been requesting lots of information from the government that has previously been accessible.
He's had information about things like people who've been receiving welfare that are foreign, people who've received housing that are foreign, people...
Wasting money in government.
And all of this stuff is great.
This is excellent facts and figures and ammunition.
Oh, you can see me there down the bottom saying great work.
This is really useful.
This helps drag and move the Overton window to the right into our court where we can score goals, right?
And that's why...
I was saying he's probably the party member's favourite to replace him and seemingly lots of people agreed with that.
So unfortunately reform does not have a lot of options because Nigel has been so good at keeping out You know, such as myself and Beau who could have helped and plenty of others who could have helped.
However, despite his efforts, there are people like Rupert and Ben Habib.
Ben Habib, of course, has been thrown out because, you know, he was starting to outshine Nigel, so of course he had to go.
And there's, you know, there's a question is, should it be Ben or should it be Rupert?
But it kind of has to be Rupert because he has a parliamentary seat and Ben doesn't, unfortunately.
But there should be a big role for both of them and then they should open up the talent.
Let more people in, because if you're going to go for government, you need a lot of people.
I want to say something.
I really like Rupert Lowe, and I really like what he's doing on X and his claims, and I think statistics is what people need to listen, because numbers stick, and a lot of statistics aren't circulated.
Well, that's true, because the government deliberately doesn't report on certain ones, doesn't it?
And Rupert Lowe is actually...
Actively pushing for it.
So that's what people need to hear.
I mean, it's valuable, yeah.
And it's worth mentioning as well, this is just a sort of back-of-notepad poll with only 7.8 thousand responses.
And this was in reply to Nigel's original response to Elon Musk.
Who should replace Nigel Farage as reforms leader?
Of course, it's worth mentioning as well that this poll doesn't say, should Nigel stay as leader?
And so it could be possible that the people who voted were already in favour of replacing him.
So it's not necessarily definitive that they prefer Rupert Lowe over Farage.
But out of the contenders, it seems like he is the favourite from the 8,000 people that responded.
And I think 8,000 is beginning to get to a point where you can't...
Well, you can say most opinion polls are about that sort of level.
You can say that's statistically significant.
I'm a bit worried about the 9.7% who said Richard Tice.
I know, that's a bit strange.
So I've got a series of questions that I'm going to quickly ask.
I know I've been going on for a long time.
So is Nigel the best chance they have to win in the election?
And I know what you're going to say and I agree with you.
So unfortunately, yes.
He is the best chance because he has the best name recognition.
But what is the point of winning if you're just going to appease Islam until 2050?
It's winning the election but losing the country, isn't it?
Exactly.
I'm prepared to wait an extra election cycle to get the change that we actually need as opposed to somebody who fakes it.
And I see a lot of people coming back at me on Twitter or X and saying, oh, you don't understand that, you know, in private Farage is a lot more based.
Well, I don't believe in the secretly based hypothesis.
Nor do I. I think he's operating on genuine convictions, which normally is a compliment of a politician.
It was years ago now.
My convictions as well.
It was years ago now, but I have had dinner with Nigel Farage, and maybe it wasn't long enough, but what you see is the same Nigel as you get behind closed doors.
I do believe that, yeah.
What do you think, Stelios?
I really don't know.
I think Dan is correct about the brand recognition, but still we have four and a half years for the next elections.
And this is a significant amount of time in politics because a lot of things may happen in four and a half years.
Right now, a lot of people look at Rupert Lowe and they say he is basically the main contender.
You don't know if that's going to stay like that.
It's a long time in politics, isn't it?
What's your take, Josh?
I forgot my own question now.
What was it again?
Well, is Nigel the best bet?
Best bet.
No, I think Farage needs to step aside.
And I think actually it need not be the bad thing, because I think actually if you start moving the Overton window and are seen as a force that can shift the tectonic plates of politics, that lends a lot of weight to your name.
In the four years until 2029, which reform does, I think, have a chance of winning if they play their cards right, you can shift British politics a significant deal, particularly as things are getting so much worse.
People can see outside...
Their window at these new faces that have arrived, and they know that they're not making their country better.
You only need to point it out and promise to do something about it, and people believe you, and you will win.
And just in case Nigel's watching, this is again, and I know you will perceive it this way, but this is again not us attacking you.
We're great supporters of everything you've done.
If I had my way, there would be a massive bronze statue of you in the middle of London, holding a pint, doing that sort of slightly...
Quirky, froggy face thing that you do is brilliant.
You've done some great work, but you're just behind the curve on this, and you don't have the energy and boldness to get on board with re-migration, otherwise you would have done it by now.
So bow out with grace and dignity now so that we can all remember you fondly.
Don't become the obstacle.
Any final thoughts, Delios?
No.
So, the final thing I'll say, and I very much agree with what you were saying there, Dan, is that Farage is really holding up Movement to the right in British politics rather than helping it.
And it is to the detriment of his own politics, I think.
It's to the detriment of the growth of reform.
I think the reform base will get fed up with this Tory, you know, teal Tory behaviour.
And the Reform Party, of course, is popular because the Conservatives stabbed their followers in the back.
And if you signal as if you're going to do the same, it's not going to end well for you.
You need someone strong.
On re-migration to be able to fix the country and to be able to win the next election.
Right.
What am I going to present now?
Something about the freedom of conscience.
We had a 52-minute segment.
I know.
It was a double one.
It's all right.
Let me remember what I wanted to present.
We were talking about some really hot cousins.
That's true.
Some really hot first.
Stelios, you've grown a beard since we started this segment.
Oxygen levels have dropped again.
That segment was like a Pink Floyd song.
It just doesn't end.
At least they're 24 minutes or so long.
We do have some Rumble rants, but I'll see those till afterwards.
I'll give you some time, Stelios.
Right, so we're going to talk about the Presidential Medals of Freedom.
That Joban awarded to several people.
I think Darth Sidious also won an Oscar.
That's the Oscar of politics awarded by the Academy to lots of people.
Right here we have their White House's announcement.
They say that the Presidential Medal of Honor is the nation's highest civilian honor, presented to individuals who have made exemplary contributions, the prosperity, values, or security of the United States.
Remember the word security.
World peace.
Remember the word war peace.
World peace.
Or other significant societal, public, or private endeavors.
Essentially this is just like saying we are awarding the people who...
Promote the causes, yeah, and promote the causes we would like to.
It's like the equivalent of a knighthood in Britain, isn't it?
I don't know if it's the equivalent, because isn't there a limited amount of knights there can be?
Isn't it 24?
That's the order of merit.
No, that might be the order of merit.
We've got plenty of knights these days.
Nick Buckley's got an MBE, hasn't he?
Okay, okay.
Maybe I have the order of merit in mind, that is 24 people.
Jordan Peterson loves that one.
But it is a high-ranking American pat on the back.
It is, yes.
And depending on the administration, you have different people receiving it.
I don't know if they have the Oscar speeches afterwards where they're thanking it.
I think the president just hangs a medal around their neck and then they shuffle off and maybe down the stairs again.
They sit back.
Right, so I will say this, not everyone who got it.
Doesn't deserve it.
I think there are some good people there.
Michael J. Fox is one.
Oh, I like Back to the Future.
Yeah, yeah.
So let's focus on some names.
Jose Andres.
No idea who that is.
A culinary innovator who popularised tapas in the United States and therefore contributed to the prosperity, value and safety of the United States and world peace.
Has it taken this long to popularise tapas in the US? We've had tapas in Britain for ages.
Yeah, but I mean...
The Spanish have a good kitchen, so they help world peace.
Funny story about tapas.
That was originally basically served up to people who came to Spain.
They offered them a little bit of pork to see if they're Muslims or not.
And that's the origin of tapas.
But I don't think that's how they're using it here.
It's basically like us in Greece.
We constantly have thousands of appetizers, so we eat the appetizers, and when the main dish comes, you're just full of food, and then you eat.
It's like seven.
You're taught the meaning of gluttony.
Right.
Bono.
Bono, the front man of U2. Everyone knows him.
Not American, though.
Isn't he Irish?
Yeah, he is Irish.
Interesting.
What they awarded him for is the One Campaign and the Red Campaign and some organizations that he is running and I'll speak a bit about them in a bit.
We have Hillary Clinton.
Oh yeah, what's her contribution?
Some scandals and just overall tomfoolery?
Josh, don't be a cynic.
It's Monday.
I hate Mondays.
Try to help me a bit.
Thanks, Garfield.
I don't want all this cynicism.
You know I'm not in the best of moods today.
Right, so, don't be cynic, it says there.
She made history many times over decades in public service, including as the first lady elected to the United States Senate.
After serving as Secretary of State, she became the first woman nominated for president by a major United States political party.
Do you know what that is?
It's a woman, yeah.
Do you know what that's really about?
Because she could have got this medal at any time during Obama's presidency.
What that medal is in her case is it's basically saying that she's given up on the presidency.
Yeah, we've given you a medal for not losing us another election.
And maybe, you know, Biden's going to do the nice smirk afterwards saying, it's my time after she left.
Do you think he sniffed her hair?
Or was she probably a bit too?
I don't know.
If the shampoo is nice, you can smell it.
She's a bit too old, Dan.
He likes it.
I don't think it's really the shampoo that he's on.
Right, so I'm going to go through the names quickly.
We have Michael J. Fox, Tim Gill, Jane Goodall.
We have Magic Johnson.
Right.
Ralph Lauren.
We have RFK posthumously.
Oh, I like Ralph.
Well, I don't know anything about the man, but I've been wearing his shirts for the last 25 years.
A few of his shirts and jumpers.
Yeah, I basically only buy Ralph Lauren stuff.
Lionel Messi?
Right.
What, the Argentinian football?
Yeah, you're going to like...
Why is he getting an American medal?
Absolute, you know, goal-scoring wizard.
I'm not sure...
Because he is the most decorated player in the history of professional football.
Yeah, but he's not American.
Thank you, Stelios.
You see?
It's not soccer, it's football.
The whole world is against you, America.
It's football, not soccer.
Change the name of American football or just keep both as football and specify American football?
Wait, wait, wait.
That's not Bill Nye.
Bill Nye.
This is Bill Nye.
Let's keep that.
Because we'll go there.
David Rubenstein, George Soros.
That's a worrying one, isn't it?
Well, he's Hungarian and...
Denzel Washington.
Denzel Washington.
Is that for...
Fair enough.
I don't mind the guy from Back to the Future and Denzel's been into good stuff.
Yeah, yeah, yeah.
Right, so let's start with Michael J. Fox.
He receives the Presidential Medal of Honor.
God, he got old, didn't he?
Yes, and the reason why, and I think that this is actually important.
This isn't just, you know, I'd just like to virtue signal.
He has the Michael J. Fox Foundation, which is dedicated to aiding research for Parkinson's disease.
And he, of course, has Parkinson's, doesn't he?
Fair enough.
He has it, and I think that this is actually important.
This is actually important work.
Yeah, I mean, I would like to see a cure for it, and anything that helps that will help support the people with it.
I mean, it seems a horrible thing to have to live with, and he's certainly done a lot to popularize, you know, the idea of donating money to it, which is a good thing.
Right, so we have here Joe Biden will award the Presidential Medal of Freedom to Lionel Messi.
Uncertain whether he knows who Messi is.
I don't think that's actually from the medal of...
It's not.
It's not.
Come on.
You really resemble some of those accounts on X where anything you post is just...
They just take literally as if, you know, irony doesn't exist or fun doesn't exist or something.
Stelios, I only care about the facts.
Yeah, I just tweeted about the far-right llama today.
Everyone say, this is old.
This is an old interview.
Don't aid him.
Don't rally against him.
He sniffed a kid.
Come on.
Right.
But Lionel Messi, he just didn't go there.
And he didn't even send any recipient.
That's a step extra further away from Marlon Brando.
He didn't receive the Oscar, but he sent an Indian to collect it.
Did he?
Yes.
Lionel Messi just didn't go there and he didn't send anyone.
Did he find him on Deliveroo or something?
I shouldn't laugh.
That's good.
I don't really know much about Messi, but I like him a bit more now.
Yes.
What's his position on the Falklands?
That determines whether I like him or not.
It is.
Right, so we have here Bono getting the Presidential Medal of Honor.
Bono proved his rock authenticity by...
No, that's according to Dag 10 Nable.
Now, controversial take.
Maybe that's an age thing, but I like you too.
Really?
Yeah.
Especially in the 80s.
The Joshua Tree was a good album.
That's the one that everyone always points to.
I've never been a big U2 fan personally.
And do you remember that thing where everyone had a U2 album downloaded to their iPhone automatically and everyone reacted to it like they'd got a virus or something?
Like it was the worst thing in the world.
So what happened is I like their music and I also like...
Before and stuff afterwards, because after the Joshua Tree, I think, not after the Joshua Tree, they had another album, but then they said they had to reinvent their sound.
Well, they discovered more than one effects pedal, yeah.
Sorry.
Musicians can be very good.
Yeah, but what happened is that I think musically-wise, they're really good.
They stand out.
But Bono is constantly using...
Making statements about politics and frequently talks about Africa and there was a very famous scene where he was saying, I think he was singing Sunday Bloody Sunday where people were clapping.
Oh, he was a massive libtard before libtard was even effective.
Yeah, but he was saying every three seconds where I clap my hands, a child in Africa dies.
No, he did it every three seconds.
Beat me to it.
I killed so many today.
Well, stop clapping.
Sorry.
We're not going to get the monetization.
But, but, but.
But.
Let's talk about buts.
Let's see here the one campaign, the one organization he has.
They have, you know, joined the fight for a more equal future.
It's what you'd expect from, you know, a kind of activism thing.
It looks like someone has scrubbed out the Black Lives Matter logo and put one in a circle instead.
To sell Acton Baby, the album.
We know you're not giving money to BLM anymore.
Please give it to us instead.
Yeah, so when you see here our impact, it's what you'd expect.
But if you see, for instance, here, they're talking about Germany, what we have achieved.
They're talking about Agenda 2030. Oh, right.
Okay.
Let me show you exactly what that was.
So that's like a medal via...
Joe Biden from Klaus Schwab.
Yes.
You are my most loyal Irish minion.
The dark lord behind the curtain said, I want this avatar.
So Lionel Messi sent an Indian to pick up his medal, whereas Klaus Schwab sent Joe Biden to deliver the medal.
That's right.
What we achieve, the final coalition agreement commits to fostering sustainable development and the implementation of the 2030 Agenda.
You don't need to...
Hear much more.
Straight Presidential Medal of Honor.
Got it.
Right.
Here we have Denzel Washington.
he looks thrilled oh there you go Acting, you see.
Yeah, he does a smile.
Look over his shoulder to make sure he's not being sniffed.
He's a good actor.
Yeah, of course.
I mean, Crimson Tide.
He's actually quite sensible when he speaks on a lot of stuff as well.
He is, yeah.
American gangster.
Yeah, I like that one.
I like the ones where he went around shooting people.
Was it Equaliser?
No.
Yeah, Equaliser is great.
Yes.
Yeah, and it's also about our non-string.
Yes.
He goes out and he's relentless.
Yeah, so Keir Starmer wouldn't like that movie.
I don't know.
Maybe we shouldn't speak about the movie.
Right.
It's going to be punished.
Yes.
Someone is going to feel the full force of the law.
FFL. Okay, so what happened here with Josh's...
Yeah?
Carry on.
Are we hanging on there?
Yes.
Right, so that's the BGCA. Right, boys and girls and safe places and...
If you're looking for a safe place for boys and girls, the UK is...
That's what Denzel was involved.
For some reason we don't see...
We have boys and girls...
For some reason we can't see it there.
Yeah, boys and girls.
Jimmy Carter keeps on popping up there.
Anyway, so let me just read it from here.
Is it a Biden-free zone, is it?
Let me just read it from here.
Right, so he has been the national spokesman for the Boys and Girls Clubs of America for over 25 years.
And it's an organisation that helps young people.
That's always a good thing, isn't it?
Like giving them hobbies and things.
Probably poorer kids as well.
As long as it's not supplying boys and girls, because that's what normally works at this sort of globalist level.
I don't know what...
I don't have any reason to assume this, but if anyone is doing this, I strongly condemn it.
Yes, of course.
Very political answer.
We have Magic Johnson here.
He doesn't look sad to get it, does he?
No, he looks very funny.
No, he looks very happy.
He won the medal.
Isn't that the guy from British children's TV in the 80s?
A different one.
I think he's the one who was playing basketball there.
He's a basketball player.
It's also, I like the tweet you've included here.
Am I allowed to read this out, Stelios?
Yeah, of course.
Be my guest, Josh.
So, Andrew at Don't Walk Run, I think that's a podcast, how many women do you think Magic Johnson has infected with HIV and are now dead?
Whatever.
Here's a medal.
Yeah, but look here, Mitt Romney's laughing, and also Denzel is laughing here.
All of them have really white teeth.
Well, it's because they all get the fake teeth.
They get the real teeth pulled out, don't they?
And then fake ones put in.
And then when the British don't do that, we get, oh, you've all got bad teeth.
It's just like, no, we just don't believe in cosmetic surgery as much.
Yeah.
Right here we have a very suspicious photo.
A recipient of the Medal of Honor was photographed close to the person who attempted to shoot Trump.
At his golf course.
Is that what he got the medal for?
He wasn't giving it to the assassin.
No, no.
Oh, he's the other one.
Right, okay.
That wasn't.
It wouldn't surprise me these days.
That would be quite mask off if he just gave him a medal.
Right, so let's come here to things get really controversial here.
They gave the Medal of Honor to Bill Nye for his commitment to spreading facts.
Facts and logic.
And that's all he spreads.
I remember what he was saying in 2020 and 2021. This is not a facts strong guy.
However, we can't go into details about that one.
It doesn't always match the sex they were assigned at birth.
And a person's gender identity may change over their lifetime.
He's talking about...
You get an idea.
Right.
Facts and logic.
He's a very factual guy, isn't he?
That Bill Nye.
He never spreads any disinformation or unscientific stuff.
Never, because Stormer would be against him.
Alright, we'll give him a medal as well then.
Why not?
Medal.
I want a medal as well.
Does it come with money as well?
Yeah, where's Ben Shapiro's medal?
Because he loves facts and logic, doesn't he?
I don't know if it comes with money, but you can probably pawn it.
It would sell for you.
I'll get Messi's one.
He's going to take it and sell it for just one pound.
Stelios, if you turned up and said...
He's going to sell it cheap.
If you turned up and said you were Lionel Messi, Joe Biden would not know any different.
It's like, well, you...
You know, you look broadly sort of Mediterranean, that works.
When the 2012 London Olympics on, I was sort of tempted to hang out at the porn shop closest to the Olympics just after, you know, the Africans won an event just to see if they didn't sort of turn up and porn it.
We have here Hillary Clinton receiving the address.
Let's watch this.
I'm sure she was very modest about it.
The Presidential Medal of Freedom is awarded to Hillary Rodham Clinton.
Hillary Rodham Clinton is guided by the Methodist creed, do all the good you can, in all the ways you can.
As a lawyer, she defended the rights of children.
As First Lady, she fought for universal health care and declared women's rights are human rights.
As Senator, she helped New York rebuild after September 11, 2001. As Secretary of State, she championed democracy worldwide, and her nomination for president broke barriers and inspired generations.
Through it all, her career has been dedicated to an eternal truth.
America's ideals are sacred, and we must always defend and live by them.
So that's why I'm enjoying this.
You know why?
You love honor, really?
No, I enjoy your reactions.
It's like babies crying in flights.
If no one is annoyed, I'm annoyed.
But if I look at other people being annoyed, then I start laughing because I just look and see how much it annoys them.
So now whenever I'm going to play videos like that, I'm going to see you getting annoyed and I'm going to have a ball.
Stelios' torture hour is nigh.
Not Bill Nigh.
I'm sort of perversely amused and annoyed, to be honest.
We have Darth Vader being awarded the Presidential Medal of Honor.
You need to get a soy face and someone saying AI is getting out of hand now for that one.
Yeah, community notes.
This is AI generated.
Darth Vader didn't actually live.
Yeah, he sent his representative from the Death Star.
At Community Notes, Darth Vader lived in a galaxy far, far away a long time ago.
Not now!
It doesn't make him ineligible for immigration.
He did kill a bunch of children, though.
Maybe he would win a medal.
George Soros getting the Presidential Medal of Honor.
He has the Open Society Foundations that a lot of people are thinking is behind.
One of the main drivers behind internationalism of the...
Of the really weird sort.
Well, it is a teeny tiny bit subversive.
Well, he was found to be paying to fly people into the southern border to break into America.
He was funding the flights.
Well, actually, I mean, they were doing that, and then they just started flying them directly in.
Just directly, straight in.
It's more efficient, I suppose, isn't it?
Yes.
But it says there, you cynical.
Colleagues of mine.
Cynical what?
Colleagues of mine.
Okay, okay.
The Open Society foundations are active around the world using grant giving, research, advocacy, impact investment and strategic litigation to build a future where everyone can live with rights and dignity.
Well, not everyone.
I mean, not European.
George Soros is the...
The founder, he has given away more than $32 billion of his personal fortune to fund this.
He's the one controlling Darth Vader, isn't he?
And if you see our history, they start here as, you could say, anti-communist.
But then if you fast forward to today, you see how much it changes.
And it looks a lot like the modern left.
Well, George Soros is one of the most evil people on planet Earth, in my opinion.
I think that he's responsible for a lot of the evils that's been done to Europe and North America, and he's doing it out of a certain sense of spite towards the native population there.
There's some sort of deep-seated animus.
2019, investing in racial justice.
Rapid response to the global pandemic 2020. Building black power 2020. They invested around $220 million to build power in black communities.
So they bought them a lot of trainers then?
Well, basically they incited mass arson in areas that they then bought up.
Promote bold new anti-racist policies in US cities and help first-time activists stay engaged.
Urgent humanitarian relief for Afghanistan, Ukraine.
It's the current thing.
My goodness.
Funnily enough, they're looking to buy up assets in Ukraine as well.
And I was asked to include this.
By me, yeah.
Do you have any comments to make about this?
Well...
Raw Egg Nationalist here says, 40% of all murders in the US now take place in districts with a Soros-funded prosecutor.
These prosecutors represent 72 million Americans, one-fifth of the population, and half of America's most popular cities, and...
Counties.
And yeah, everyone knows about the Soros DAs, don't they?
That he's directly interfering in American justice and letting murderers and sex criminals and nonces, because Silicon Valley allows me to say that word and not the American one.
Look it up if you don't know what I mean.
He's basically giving softer sentences to criminals so that they can tyrannise the American people who have done nothing wrong.
I can't think of anything more unjust than that.
And this is why Starmer is so stupid, because if he hadn't done it for free, this guy would have given him money.
That's true, yes.
Soros, very responsible for the release of criminals.
And actually, we're doing a quick callback to the last segment.
A lot of the leftists are attacking, saying, isn't it awful that Elon Musk is a foreign billionaire getting involved in UK politics?
Completely ignoring that, but this guy has been doing it for decades.
Yeah, it's only when...
Yes.
When someone supports their political enemies, they have an issue with it, and it's foreign interference then.
But it's not when it...
So he got one as well, did he?
Did he turn up?
Yeah, I imagine he would.
Yeah, he did, yeah.
I imagine they awoke him from his crypt beneath Washington.
No, yeah.
He stood straight up.
Sorry, I'm hot off of watching Nosferatu.
Was it a good movie?
It was a good movie.
I quite enjoyed it, yeah.
Might not be for everyone.
Well, should we read some Rumble Rants?
And then that'll give Samson some time to sort out the video comments, because I presume there are some.
Okay, so I can't see my mouse.
There it is.
Okay.
Dragon Lady Chris says, My Islander 2 arrived.
Big thanks to Pete and Sam and everyone who worked to get it done.
Josh, your poem gets a 9.5 out of 10. Cadence is a bit rough in some spots, but the message is quite powerful.
Well, thank you very much and I'm glad you enjoyed it.
Hey, I tried to do the best I could.
I've never written a poem as a grown man.
Probably to do with the fact that I'm a grown man.
Poetry is good, actually.
It's good that they read it.
Yes.
But that was my stab.
Don't expect more of it.
I think I'm going to stick to writing.
Cranky Texan says...
Talent is not like a pizza or inspiration.
You can't get it to order, yeah.
Cranky Texan says Adorno's drivel was just panicky retcon to try and protect socialism.
Very true.
That's a random name, says Farage.
Strikes me as a wannabe conservative.
Beware of the fake cons.
Actions speak louder than words, and their actions show incompetence at best and subversion at worst.
I agree.
And again, that's a random name, says someone needs to replace the soy that's in the milkshakes thrown at Farage with testosterone.
He wakes up and stops being such a spineless coward.
That will make TR the PM. Don't want to see that, to be honest.
The Habsification says Elon has posted things about the Grimming Gangs during the Southport riots.
Also, he's posted comments to TR around this time.
That's true, but he's been very hot on it recently.
He's sort of injected it back into the news cycle in a very helpful way.
And I've lost my mouse again.
Am I even able to use one?
The Engaged Few says, as an American, what shocks me about the gangs is that they've gone on for so long.
Way too many guns in the US for something like that to go on for 30 years.
Fathers would go Gary Ploushey here.
I don't recognise the name.
I'm probably mispronouncing it.
But if you do know who that is, you'll probably know who I mean.
Evan66 says, Yank here.
What do y'all think about Homeland Party?
Zuma Historian posts about them a lot.
I did interview them on my Brokonomics on the Witten if you wanted to watch that.
But yeah, I know a few of the people involved, and they're pushing the re-migration thing in a positive direction, and I hope it all works.
The engaged few, the Medal of Freedom, is now the equivalent of the Hero of the Soviet Union Medal.
The Politburo used to give to Brezhnev and his cronies for the incredible service they rendered by getting older.
Yes.
Which is actually quite impressive in the USSR. That's true.
That's true.
That's true.
Hillary would know.
She never sleeps with her husband.
But anyway, let's go to the video comments.
Who can blame it, really?
Can't really blame Bill for that.
I'm wondering if Elon's questioning of Nigel is a 3D chess PR stunt move to cause the left to think reform are too disorganised to win the next election.
In the same way, Kemi Bardenoch has handed reform tens of thousands of members through the Streisand effect.
Rupert Lowe has beautifully addressed the Tommy Robinson question, which Nigel only needs to copy.
Or is Nigel too much of a boomer, having too much trust in the system which he has very nicely benefited from?
Yeah, you've got to feel sorry for the Tories, because we didn't mention them once, did we?
They're just completely irrelevant.
They are out of the conversation.
Well, I mention them in so much as I use them as an insult for reform.
Right.
Oh, yes.
We mentioned them very briefly in past, but they're just so complete.
And what the Tories did is they went peak DEI, peak boss girl, at...
The precise moment that it peaked and started to fall off a cliff.
It was a terrible movie.
Are they the guys with 3.5 centuries history who ended up with, we don't like sandwiches?
Yes.
Very astute.
Yeah, that's, you know, from the beginning, then and now.
Hey, look, it's me.
Elon Musk's response.
If you need a school, you've lost already.
Oh, shut up.
When younger, I may have benefited from an autism diagnosis, so I can follow Elon's train of thought.
He does not understand what it is to be or learn like others.
He cannot think long-term.
Typically what he starts, he drops to flip to his next challenge.
Electrifying vehicles and colonizing Mars are passing fantasies that he hopes to turn into reality.
This is great for someone driving results from a company or efficiency in government, but cannot set immigration and education policy.
Salient as point as ever, Alex.
No, I very much agree.
I like learning myself.
You're somewhat of a scholar, aren't you, Stelios?
I'm a scholar.
Happy New Year.
I want to shout out a really, really nice business here in Leura in the Blue Mountains, Australia.
This is the oldest business in the region and they've got lovely Devonshire tea and high tea.
And also they have a very wonderful teapot museum that the owner has curated for 50 years.
Come and check them out.
The only problem there was that you put the jam and cream on the Cornish way rather than the Devonshire way.
So you went for a Devonshire cream tea and you turned it into a Cornish cream tea because you didn't put the cream on first, which acts as butter, and then you put the jam on top.
I'm also intrigued.
But I respect it.
It looks lovely.
If this is the oldest business in Australia, then how old is it?
Because it would be fun if they said, we're the oldest business since 1460. Yeah, because I remember going to California once, and I got on one of these little bus tour things, and they drove the whole bus of Europeans up to this building in California, and they said, this is the oldest building in California, it's 150 years old, and then the guy just held the silence, expecting a bus full of Europeans to be impressed by that.
Oh, literally my shed is older than that?
I mean, in the village where I grew up, there are buildings that are older than the state of California.
Yes.
But by the way, going for a Devonshire cream tea in Australia, I have massive respect for that.
You're not letting that go.
No, no, no.
I still respect it.
I want to make that go.
Oh, okay.
Fair enough.
It's still admirable.
Is that everyone?
Samson?
I believe so.
We've got some written comments, I suppose.
Would you like to read some comments, Dan?
Kevin points out that we've already been invaded.
Yes, we have.
I did make that point.
Jack says, it's fair to criticise Nigel for being a bit soft on Tommy and other issues, but the idea of ousting him is just going to wreck reform's chances.
As if he goes, reform will never see above 20% again.
I mean, I get the argument.
I mean, the best thing would be for Farage to basically be given a bit of courage.
And embrace what he needs to do.
I think 100 million might do that.
Yeah.
You'd have to go around kicking children in the face to lose that election, wouldn't you?
Yeah, but I mean...
Here's 100 million, so you grew a conscience.
I'm devoid of a conscience.
I recognise it's essentially a difficult problem in that...
Reform are the only ones, because there are other parties out there who are possibly a bit more sensible in many respects, but they just don't have the momentum.
Reform are the only ones who have the momentum.
But what's the point of winning if winning looks like appeasement?
So, you know, there's no good outcome.
And actually, I'd rather lose another electoral cycle than end up with another containment party that...
Doesn't go anywhere, because then you'll need to spend 20 years building up a new party altogether, and it's just worse.
Santa is a Mossad informant, says, ultimately reform will not be successful so long as Faraj thinks his ego is more important than child rape victims.
There is, unfortunately, a bit of ego going on with Nigel.
I don't really know.
It's difficult to know.
I have heard that he's quite egocentric.
But it could also be for optics reasons, with Tommy in particular, because he does have this reputation that follows him everywhere, doesn't it?
Yes.
As the worst thing since the Austrian painter.
Yeah, that's great.
DanIsBasicBased says...
Well, actually, I'm not going to read your comment because of your name.
SnowDog says...
Nigel just needs to say one thing.
Tommy was right on the grooming gangs.
I agree with him on that.
Yeah.
That's pretty much what I say.
The Rupert Lowe response.
yeah exactly Alpha of the Bait says the political weakness of Nigel Farage is only useful insofar as it frames the solution more clearly for the hard men in the hard times that will come after him yeah so that's the thing This is what people in the liberal post-war consensus don't get, is that parties like Reform and AFD are still left-wing parties.
If they form governments, that is still a win for the left, because if we don't get a solution...
Like that, we will get a solution, but it will not be in the current liberal framework.
I think I'll just say it as gently as that.
I think you can infer.
Why is AFD left-wing?
Because they are operating in the current paradigm, which everything in that paradigm is left-wing.
It only looks right-wing if you're in the paradigm.
If you look at history from any broader perspective...
Everybody, including Reform, including AFD, is very left-wing.
I mean, okay, well, let's discuss this another time because I don't see it that way.
Where were we?
I don't know how you could not.
But yes, we will discuss that offline and maybe we'll come back in a segment or something.
DanTheBasicBased also says, I'm also not going to read that comment because of your name.
Not that he's bitter.
I mean, it might be quite a good comment.
I don't know, but I'm just not reading it.
It was a good comment, actually.
Yeah, it is.
still not going to read it the illegal truth says come on come the next election reform will not exist Farage is doing all that he can so that when Kemi implodes as conservative leader he will be the knight in shining armour that rescues them and merging them two parties yeah I mean that's the thing with the sort of reform leadership is they basically just want to be Tories They've been kept in the fridge for 25 years, that's...
Kind of the whole thing.
One more on this segment, shall we?
I'm going to make tourism work.
There's one from Sophie.
Sophie says, appeasing Islam.
So surrender then, that's a surrender.
Let's call it what it is.
Faraj is just ready to surrender to Islam as a raiding force.
No fight, no pushback, just surrender.
Yes.
Shall I launch into your ones, or do you want to read them?
I can read.
Do you want to read a bit more?
Because I have blocked sinuses.
You give me a shout when you're ready.
Did you finish with yours?
Yes.
All of them?
Well, I wasn't going to read all of them.
We've only got three minutes left.
What about Danny's basic based?
No, I was going to skip that one.
You want super based?
Well, no, I'm clearly not basic based and he put me at the bottom of the bloody tier list.
He didn't put me in the list.
Has he done them all?
I worked a lot.
It's anonymity.
Do we know who's got S-plus?
I don't know.
I'm hoping he's holding out for yours truly.
Yeah.
Right.
Arizona Desert Rat.
Biden and Obama have given out so many medals of freedom that they have cheapened the significance of the medals.
That is true.
That is true, yeah.
No one can argue with that.
Right.
Also, that would especially be the case if they gave a Medal of Honor every pardon they gave.
Two for one combo.
The unbreakable litany.
Medals and knighthoods should be frontline combat only.
Changed my mind.
Yeah, I think you've got to do something heroic that is dangerous to your life.
Like, having AIDS isn't a good enough reason to get a medal.
Or being the first man nurse.
Or being Hillary Clinton.
That's not good enough.
In fact, you should get the opposite of a medal.
You should get a medal of shame.
A Hillary Clinton medal.
You should be branded.
Right.
Kevin Fox.
After the smile, Denzel looked to his right and said, Is he sniffing my effing hair?
Kevin Fox.
Dan.
It was a high-level pat on the back until now.
Who's going to want it now?
They have given it to hilarious Clinton, George Soros and Bono.
Right.
Omar Awad.
Value of freedom medals inflating faster than the dollar these days.
If they were a stock, I would short it.
That's good financial advice.
Kevin Fox again.
You could probably pawn it.
Do be serious, Dan.
Now he's given one to Hillary Clinton, Bill Nye, George Soros.
He'd probably have to leave a cash deposit of $100 to get a $50 loan.
Yeah.
It must have some meltdown value.
Fuzzy toaster.
The OBE and the Medal of Freedom are just gross exercises in nepotism.
The amount of people that actually deserve them are vanishingly few.
Yeah, I think that all awards are basically a way of rewarding your mates and the people that you want to have public esteem.
I think, though, Hulk Hogan deserves a Medal of Freedom.
Jimbo G, Dan confusing Magic Johnson with Dave Benson Phillips from Get Your Own Back.
Yes, that's who I was thinking of.
And Kevin Fox, Bono Didi, every time I clap my hands, a child in Africa dies at a concert in Glasgow, and from the back of the crowd, a voice rang out, well, stop clapping your hands, you sick bastard.
That's a great note to end on there.
Oh, yes, right, okay.
Oh, yes, I'm hosting, aren't I? Right, okay, well, I hope you like that.
Back in half an hour.
What?
For the round table.
Oh, yes.
Come back.
We're not doing that live, are we?
That's already recorded, is it?
Samson, it's live, isn't it?
Is it live?
Yes.
Samson has nodded.
It's live.
Oh, right.
I can be on it then.
Yeah.
Oh, okay.
I was completely nonplussed about it because I thought I wasn't on it.
But now I know I'm on it.
Yeah, definitely.
Come back in half an hour.
That's very important because we're going to be talking about all sorts of sensible stuff.
So, yes, very good.
And it's goodbye from me and it's goodbye from them.
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