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June 4, 2025 - Louder with Crowder
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Donald Trump vs. Elon Musk: The Massive Battle Over the Big Beautiful Bill
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I'm going to keep this short and sweet, because it's not every day that you pick a fight with the world's wealthiest man ever, let alone one who claims to be amongst your ranks.
Elon Musk is lying to you?
Elon Musk is, I would argue, a fraud?
And I'll make an irrefutable case.
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Yeah, I know.
We kind of stuck the landing right there in the cold open.
By the way, just to be clear, I know that Speaker Johnson is on television right now.
And, hey, I'm not tossing my lot in with this guy.
Just to be clear, before you go rhino, I have consistently said we don't have a taxation problem, we have a spending problem.
I get it.
I don't want to raise the debt ceiling.
I get it.
Okay?
Rhinos create gridlock.
I get it.
But we need to be honest about what is taking place here.
And I'll just give you two numbers.
We're going to get into the big, beautiful bill.
What can be done and what cannot be done through the process of reconciliation versus an annual budget bill.
And here's $1.9 trillion over 10 years in cuts with this bill.
Is it perfect?
No.
Is it a start?
Yeah.
Doge?
Everything they've found collectively, $180 billion, only receipts for 30% of it.
What's Elon mad about?
I think it's pretty self-serving.
And I think when people muddy the waters with a self-serving agenda, now it makes it a lot harder to talk about fiscal responsibility in the government.
So, let's try and be really objective about this.
We're going to discuss also renaming the gay ships from Pete Hegseth.
And today is about gimmickry.
It's about fraud.
We'll get to Nala Ray speaking at TPUSA at the end of this show.
Former, and by former, I mean like a few months ago.
Massively famous porn star who will now send you her custom Christian courses.
So, let me ask you, where do you line up on this big beautiful bill?
Huh?
Is it just Rhino and the savior Elon, or is there something in between?
It's a weekday show, 11 a.m. Eastern.
CEO, Captain Morgan, how are you?
I'm well.
Who knew that the least controversial part of the show is the ship named after a pedophile?
Yes.
Allegedly.
Allegedly pedophile.
Allegedly.
And by that we mean notable gay man who used poppers absolutely a pedophile.
That's what I'm saying.
July 9th at the Funny Bone Comedy Club.
Oh, in Hartford, Connecticut.
Yeah.
Mr. Josh Feierstein.
How are you, sir?
I'm good.
Yeah?
Yeah, I'm good.
Last time I was in Hartford, the club was River City Steam, and Stuart Scott from ESPN came up to the green room afterwards, and I didn't know who he was because I had just come in from Canada.
Oh, what a bummer.
That guy's cool.
That sounds like a gay bar.
River City Steam?
I don't know, but they had a good job.
Well, we haven't all been there like you, Gerald.
I'm just guessing.
All right.
Hartford, by the way, it sounds really nice.
Incredibly violent city.
Well, it's technically in Manchester, so it's outside the city.
Good for you.
You guys can come.
It's not dangerous.
It's not dangerous at all.
It's not dangerous at all.
Go show them you love them.
We're talking about gimmickry today.
Also, let me just issue this caveat.
I'm a very, very imperfect Christian, okay, to be clear.
As a matter of fact, I keep my faith pretty private, and I encourage you to read your Bible, and I encourage you to seek out authoritative sources and submit yourself to the authority of a church, because I am deathly terrified of leading someone astray.
Because I've been a Christian pretty much my whole adult life, and I know that I only know enough to be dangerous.
That's my opinion of myself, and I researched and spent a lot of time.
So, before you throw that out there, it's not lost on me that I do naughty things quite often.
Alright, speaking of Christian gimmickry, you ever wonder what it's like to go to a crazy church in India?
The answer is no.
By the way, this is the Ryobi Church.
They're electric.
Watch this next one.
Not this one.
Oh, 40 volts.
Oh.
Oh, hey.
Whoa, hey.
That's so clean.
These aren't Christians.
That's the Hindu shake.
Yeah.
It's hard for me to tell the difference between Bollywood I hate this stuff.
Is it a Christian church?
No, that's right, it's not.
I'm sorry.
I love that their clothes are the same color as their food.
It's the Church of Jesus in Rajasthan.
Is it a Christian church?
I don't know.
The name is in there.
That's about all I know.
Well, wait, well, hold on a second.
So some of them stand upright and do the pogo?
Well, it depends.
Is this guy Electro from Spider-Man?
Yeah, there's a real problem going on, and we're joking about it.
Jeez.
This is the thing, too.
Hey, we're just having, like, reading the Bible and following the teachings.
Why do we got to do this?
The guy just watched a couple Benny Hinn videos.
It is our fault.
And this is the problem with putting people on a platform who haven't grown in their faith yet.
We end up with too much gimmickry.
It's like, you know what we really need?
We need people to move around like fish.
We need electricity.
They're like, no, no, no.
Snake handling's been done.
We're doing train handling.
That's right.
You're not winning.
The trains are winning.
Looks exhausting.
Almost like it could be an Indian workout.
What you missed, he was perfectly fine until the guy touched him, and then boom, working.
That guy's a deacon.
Gosh, I hate those churches.
Can we stop this, please?
What part of the Bible are you reading when you see that that's normal?
I want to see their communion.
What does that involve?
Just some guy slap some stuff on a plate?
Yeah, I've known it.
Did you get it from a street vendor?
Yes, exactly.
He's making Turkish coffee, and it's hot sand!
50 cents.
What?
I thought communion was free.
No, that's the Catholics.
Now.
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Let's go to the Navy.
Speaking of progress, Secretary of Defense and possibly best hair in the Cabinet.
By possibly, I mean absolutely.
I think absolutely.
Yeah, I'm a little jealous.
Pete Hegseth is celebrating Pride Month.
By renaming a Navy ship that was named after alleged pedophile and blatant homosexual Harvey Milk.
And Defense Secretary Pete Hegseth has ordered the Navy to rename the USNS Harvey Milk.
The military vessel was named in honor of the former politician and gay civil rights activist back in 2016 by President Obama.
In a statement, a Pentagon spokesman said the renaming under Secretary Hegseth will help highlight the priorities of President Trump.
Adding further renamings will be announced following internal reviews.
Let's remember who we're talking about here, though.
Harvey Milk was a Navy veteran who served in the Korean War, and he was the first openly gay man elected into public office in California.
Yeah, all that may be true, but let's be honest, that's not why you're naming the ship after him.
There were a lot of Navy veterans who didn't have ships named after him.
And you said a less-than-honorable discharge?
Yeah, listen, I mean, it's kind of shady because it was about being gay, but...
Let's do a less-than-honorable discharge.
It was against the rules then.
It was against the rules.
And by the way, here's something I know the left has already said, like, you know, did he even think how inconsiderate this was?
This is how I celebrate Pride Month.
This is destroying it.
Take that, village people.
Thank you.
And, uh...
He said, yeah, yeah, I'm renaming this during Pride Month, and you know what?
I'm thinking for next year, Black History Month, I may rename the Harriet Tubman.
And during women's history, he may rename Ruth Bader Ginsburg, the Cesar Chavez, the Thurgood Marshall.
He may rename all of them.
And you know what?
This matters, because history matters.
Remember when people were trying to tear the Confederate flags?
And by the way, I'm not a Confederate, to be clear.
They lost.
Okay, great, hooray, North.
The point is...
Outside of sodomy.
So my point is, like, names matter.
Don't put that on Harriet Tubman.
They ran an underground train home.
The U.S. is getting railroaded.
But I think that if you're going to change the name of Harriet Tubman, at least make it a submarine.
Yes, that would make sense.
I mean, honestly, let's just do it right on the nose.
Name a train after her.
Yeah, name a train.
And subs typically are what?
Color?
You should stop.
They're typically a dark gray.
That's not true.
They're black.
It's not racist to say that subs are black and she was black.
There we go.
It was a little racist.
Not racist at all.
Today, Gerald's a pew boat captain.
Ew!
All right.
So of course, predictably, So anything that reeks of DEI, any appreciation for a marginal community that has been dissed in American history, that fought hard and more valiantly than Mr. Hexeth can ever imagine to achieve status in this country is now fair game for people to knock off.
The Senate secretary should spend his time doing things to keep Americans safe.
I don't know why we would be spending money or time and his energy to rename battleships.
It just doesn't seem right.
The left cares about money now.
I don't think that's what the American people want, taxpayer dollars.
Why is the defense secretary just picking and choosing based on trying to make statements about specific groups?
I'm a black person, you know, you're black person, but I also know who these people are.
Why weren't there any conservatives on the list?
No, no, hold on a second, finish that.
Because I, you know, no we don't.
You're black, therefore you know what all homosexuals think?
That's very opposite of the truth.
It's silly.
This is the idea of intersectionality.
What it really means is everyone's allowed except for white straight males.
Oh, and by the way, white straight legal Hispanic immigrants.
You're not included anymore either.
That's why they're veering further and further right.
By the way, here are some other headlines from Politico.
Navy set to rename ship, honoring Harvey Milk in a DEI purge, but then it gets worse.
Newsweek.
Harvey Milk, Navy ship to be renamed.
Vets call it insult to LGBTQ troops.
What, vets?
Pretty sure no vets said that.
Well, maybe they did, but they said it like, dude, it's total insult to LGBT people.
They were pro the insult.
I mean, either you're using the term LGBTQ ironically, or you're an asshole.
The advocate wrote, for Pride Month, homophobe Hegseth orders Navy to strip Harvey Milk's name from ship.
And the VA, by the way, has an entire page dedicated to Harvey Milk.
It's, don't do what he did, don't get AIDS.
Aww.
Here's the thing.
You guys wanted to strip George Washington and Abraham Lincoln because they were imperfect.
Alright?
And we've always said you can't judge.
People, by today's metrics, people throughout history.
And if we're going to do that, Harvey Milk doesn't really come out squeaky clean because he was allegedly a pedophile, right?
In the mid-1960s, allegedly, and by allegedly we mean a homosexual in the Bay Area in the 1960s, absolutely had a relationship with a 16-year-old boy.
And he was what, like 19?
I don't remember how old he was.
No, he wasn't.
I said that on purpose.
It's pederasty.
It's pederasty.
He's also the reason behind the god-awful Sean Penn movie.
Hi, this is Sam!
I think that's the wrong one.
Yeah, it is the wrong one.
We're focusing on Elon because he's very powerful today, and we wanted to button down for that one, where this one kind of slipped under our radar.
By the way, this is not the first ship, just to be clear, named after a pedophile.
Let's not forget, the only ship known to have decommissioned itself, the notorious USNS Epstein.
That one, yep.
That's clear as day.
No camera footage, yeah.
And so I do have a question for you since we're now in the era of renaming things and changing history.
After whom do you think the formerly USNS Harvey Milk, after whom should it be renamed?
Comment below.
I think that's a fair question to ask.
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So...
Yeah.
We'll have to say that legally.
This is part of it.
Let's go on to this.
This is one of those things that is convoluted out there.
And I will tell you this, there is gatekeeping where a lot of people try and make this complicated by design as far as this big, beautiful bill.
I am absolutely opposed to increased spending in almost every capacity.
Just so you know where I'm coming from.
I go back and forth between either a flat income tax or a fair tax.
I don't even know if we should have an income tax.
That's how close to libertarian I am economically.
Fiscally, unbelievably conservative.
So I agree, in principle, with the problems that Rand Paul has, to be clear.
And I understand the problem with raising the debt ceiling.
All right.
Let's be clear about it.
And I don't like the rhinos out there.
But we are going to get into what this big, beautiful bill is, what's in it, what can be done right now.
This is not an annual budget bill.
It's going through a process of reconciliation.
There's a difference between mandatory spending, discretionary spending.
What can actually be done right now versus what cannot.
In a way, that is final.
And I want to ask this.
Why is Elon Musk so mad?
Huge fan of Doge.
Especially as we saw these cuts coming through.
Wasn't thrilled with the level of receipts that we actually found, about 30% of the numbers, but couldn't be more on board.
But I have to ask you, why is Elon Musk, why is he mad?
Why is he buddying up with Jack Dorsey?
And why is he going behind the Trump administration's back to the press, which is an underhanded thing to do?
And here's the number that really sticks out to me.
Elon Musk is mad, saying that this bill has a bunch of pork.
That's the reason he's mad, okay?
This bill, all references available, link in the description, cuts $1.6 trillion in spending over 10 years.
Is it enough?
No.
Is it a start?
Yeah.
Doge.
All of their proposed cuts, $180 billion.
And they've only given us 30% of the receipts for that $180 billion.
So $1.6 trillion over 9 or 10 years versus Doge's $180 billion.
The cuts proposed here are astronomically more than anything Elon has or could come up with.
Why is he mad?
Why is he backstabbing the guy who put forward $1.6 trillion in cuts?
Can you answer me that?
I'll get to it in a little bit.
I have my guess with not 30% of receipts, 100% of receipts.
Is it on your behalf or is it on Elon Musk's behalf?
I think it's fraudulent.
I think he's selling you a false bill of goods.
I think that you can see that.
$180 billion versus $1.6 trillion.
It's not even close.
Let me get through what this actually is.
This is a reconciliation bill.
It's not an appropriations bill like an annual budget bill.
Here's what can be included in a reconciliation bill.
Provisions specifically related to mandatory spending.
That's where you can have cuts to entitlements like Medicaid or SNAP, namely the fraud or waste, or things like the work requirements.
Here's what cannot be included in the reconciliation bill, which means it would need to be in some kind of an annual budget bill.
Provisions that affect discretionary spending.
That would be things like a lot of the doge cuts, education.
Often the military is included there.
Here are some exceptions.
According to the reconciliation rules, some military and border spending can be classified as mandatory.
So this bill has $150 million allocated for the military and for some very specific projects, to be clear.
So Elon Musk, mad that this doesn't go far enough.
Doge can't happen here.
Would have to happen in an annual budget bill.
And even then, the best he can hope for with what he's provided is $180 billion versus $1.6 billion.
Trillion.
Over ten years with this.
Let's get past the theater.
What's he mad about?
Doesn't that matter?
And Stephen Miller, who's been knocking it out of the park, summed this up.
He said, one of the bigger points...
The lefty CBO says that extending the 2017 tax cuts, meaning preventing their expiration, increases the deficit.
Some critics have seen this figure and claimed or implied the bill increases quote spending.
Even according to CBO, the bill cuts spending over $1.6 trillion.
So when a libertarian like Rand Paul attacks the deficit impact of the bill, they are attacking the tax cut.
Of course, honestly accounted, extending current tax rates has zero deficit impact, which is why the bill, because of its spending cuts, reduces the deficit.
You can have an argument about that, but he's making a pretty clear case.
A second major point of confusion is what's actually in a reconciliation bill.
It is not an appropriations bill or a general budget bill.
It provides no funding or authorization for 99-plus percent of the operations of government.
It has not a single Democrat provision or vote.
The bill has three principal sections.
Tax cuts, welfare reform, immigration, and border security.
He says it's a dream bill.
Okay.
He's right, though, in what he just listed.
And we provide all the sources, the references, every day.
So on to the fight that's taking place and the players involved.
And it's this sort of weird alliance of Elon Musk, Rand Paul, Thomas Massey, and Jack Dorsey.
Yes, that Jack Dorsey who helped deplatform.
In support of the deplatforming of the President of the United States, Donald Trump.
That's no small thing.
It's an odd group.
They're just missing a dog in a mystery machine.
What?
They're like They're like the Scooby-Doo guys.
Oh, okay.
all right.
I was, I needed the reference.
Mystery machine is the man.
So yesterday, Musk had a On X. He posted, I'm sorry, but I just can't stand it anymore.
This massive, outrageous, park-filled congressional spending bill is a disgusting abomination.
Shame on those who voted for it.
You know you did wrong.
You know it.
So, don't tell, by the way, Sam from HR, that the bill is full of pork.
I won't tell him.
Just as long as you won't tell him about that breakfast burrito I gave him this morning.
Oh no, I lost that.
Oh, did you?
Yeah.
You lost the breakfast burrito?
Yeah, I lost the...
Oh yeah, I found it there.
Oh, hey, Sam.
Here.
Want a burrito?
What?
Oh, sure.
Yeah.
Josh, thank you.
Yeah, no problem.
Mmm.
Josh, that's pretty good, man.
A little salty and something I can't describe.
really good in this thing.
So, uh, yeah, I won't tell him.
Once you go bacon, yeah.
No, he's full of pork, so.
Elon went on on Twitter saying, in November next year, we fire all politicians who betrayed the American people.
Let me ask you this.
Would you feel betrayed if this bill included a massive electric vehicle tax credit?
Is that what you voted for?
We'll get to that.
So he was echoed by people like Rand Paul, Thomas Massey, and Jack Dorsey.
Jack Dorsey saying a Rand Paul Thomas Massey ticket.
And just to be clear, this is the same Jack Dorsey, I want to make sure they have this here, who supported, who supported, yeah, it's overlay E7, the banning of Trump from Twitter in 2021.
He said, we made a decision with the best information we had based on threats to physical safety both on and off Twitter.
This is a guy who supported the mass deplatforming.
So, it's interesting that we talk about betrayal.
And I don't mean that you have to treat someone as a god king.
But if you look at the ulterior motives here, it would seem pretty...
Well, a massive amount of personal wealth and electric vehicle tax credit and Starlink contract.
Yeah, you're right.
You don't have to back up God King, but Musk and Dorsey kind of on the same team.
I mean, one guy exposed the other guy for the Twitter files.
Yeah, pretty much.
Really, I'm trying to make sense of it, and we'll get to Rand Paul in just a second.
I can understand Rand Paul's position.
I do not, in any way, right now, understand Elon Musk's position.
And it goes to the point the numbers obviously don't add up, but also he's saying this is a pork-infested bill.
I think Rand Paul made the point later on that there's about $300 billion in increased spending.
Over 10 years.
And that the majority of the debt ceiling increase is going to come from potentially the tax cuts.
According to the CBO.
According to the CBO, right?
So that if this was a spending bill that had a bunch of pork spending in it, I would understand Elon Musk's criticism because we do have a very high debt.
Got it.
And it adds to the deficit.
Fine.
Got it.
But I don't see that in this bill.
So it makes me go like, what the hell are you really arguing about?
Yeah.
Also, it can't be done.
And I don't trust you.
Also, it can't be done.
Yeah.
That's also, at the end of the day, it can't be done.
That has to go to an annual budget bill.
Elon, do you believe Elon Musk is a stupid person?
I don't.
No, no.
He knows that this, well, these doge cuts would have to go to the annual budget bill.
He knows that.
Anyway, going to Rand Paul, because I want to spend some time on Elon and Jack Dorsey.
Yeah.
He was on a warpath yesterday.
And again, I probably align most with Rand Paul, probably more with him than any other representative in our government.
And even I find him slightly irritating.
And he's been on the show like five times.
Here he is bashing the bill.
We can still be friends and have a disagreement.
But to put things in perspective, the bill increases spending for the military and for border over $300 billion.
The doge cuts, which aren't in this bill, Pause.
So, one thing, and I get what he's saying there, but remember, we had record number of crossings and apprehensions under Biden.
Record, as far as all of American history, and now record low.
Now, could there be some pork in there as far as giving bonuses out to ICE agents for simply doing their job?
Sure, we can be opposed to that.
But the idea that we went through record border crossings and we would spend nothing to shore up our border.
Let me ask you, is that what you voted for?
I don't think so, but let's continue.
$200 billion.
So this bill actually increases in the first couple of years, spending more than all the doge cuts combined.
I actually accept that cutting taxes can grow revenue.
I believe it happened under Reagan.
I believe it happened under the first Trump term.
And I supported the tax cuts.
In the first term, I still support them.
I support making them permanent, and I do believe they will bring in more revenue than the CBO projects.
My objection to the bill isn't about the tax cuts, and it isn't about those calculations.
My objection to the bill is they're going to raise the debt ceiling more than they ever have, $5 trillion, and that this will be the largest increase in the debt ceiling ever.
And if the Republicans all vote for it, the Republicans will own the debt.
Go ahead, Joe.
I don't agree with...
That is absolute crap.
Republicans have voted to raise the debt ceiling before many, many times.
To say that all of a sudden Republicans are going to own this debt and have a problem politically, it's disingenuous.
I'm sorry, that is the part of this where I'm like, he is being disingenuous here.
On the other side of it, the CBO is saying the tax cuts are the reason for, I guess, the necessity of raising the debt limit.
So, it's really hard to be for the tax cuts and against raising the debt ceiling in the same breath.
Though, throughout his career, he has been very consistent.
He wants to cut spending.
I get it.
That's a 60-vote bill that you're going to have to pass.
This is a 50-vote bill.
So, just say, I just don't want to raise the debt ceiling, period.
Whatever that means, because that could mean the tax cuts go away.
Right.
And by the way, it's extending tax cuts.
This is not implementing new ones, to be clear.
Right, and he was for that.
I get it, but Stephen Miller makes a great point.
You can't, it's all because of the tax cuts according to the CBO.
Right.
So you have to make a different argument, in my opinion, to be consistent.
So how do you end up with Elon?
In other words, he was on, you know, he gave, I believe, over $200 million of his own fortune to, in one way or another, the President Trump campaign.
And now he's not only buddies with Massey or in bed with Massey and Rand Paul, who, by the way, you could be in worse company.
But Jack Dorsey while decrying betrayal.
That seems a little bit odd to me, and I think that Massey and Paul are making a principled stand.
That's my opinion.
I think that Elon stands to gain a lot personally.
Here's actually a report from Axios, and it's their White House reporter, Mark Caputo.
He wrote an article that Elon was butthurt for four reasons.
Now, I know that this is a report from a White House source, but this person is usually relatively reliable, and some of these can be publicly fact-checked.
So, reason number one.
This legislation cut electric vehicle tax credits.
So, there's a termination of this previously owned clean vehicle credit.
It was like a $4,000 credit.
This bill terminates another clean vehicle credit.
It's like $7,500.
Qualified commercial clean vehicle.
Credits in clean, of course.
Obviously, we're talking about electric.
We're talking about green.
And Tesla lobbied heavily to keep these.
So, to give you an idea, J.P. Morgan's Ryan Brinkman gave an estimate that Trump's bill would decrease Tesla's earnings by 52%.
Holy crap!
And keep in mind that Elon Musk, think about it, he's a guy who's created businesses.
He didn't invent the electric car.
He's done more for electric vehicles than anyone else, and I think Teslas are pretty damn cool.
They're good to have to me as a second vehicle if you want to.
Primary vehicle, gasoline, but I have no problem with Teslas.
But he stepped into businesses that he knew.
If you look where he has decided to invest, he knows will result in giant government contracts, subsidies, and tax credits.
Electric vehicles, space exploration, AI.
Right?
These are the industries he has chosen, and every single one of them involves the necessity of government favoritism.
Jeez, 52% drop in earnings?
That's insane.
Reason number two.
Again, $1.6 trillion cut over 10 years versus his proposed $180 billion, right, Doge, only 30% of which has receipts.
Why is he mad?
Why is he butting up with Jack Dorsey?
Musk wanted the FAA to use Starlink, but...
They cited technical reasons, but also, you know, potentially a conflict of interest.
That would be reason number two he's met.
Trump withdrew the nomination of Jared Isaacman for NASA administrator.
When the nomination was withdrawn, Musk publicly wrote on X, it is rare to find someone so competent and good-hearted.
He was upset about it.
Allegedly, he also wanted to retain his position at the White House, but he was denied.
And here's another one that I can't confirm.
But might explain the Jack Dorsey connection.
Elon Musk is very much supportive of the idea that AI shouldn't have to deal with IP.
And that's a big libertarian talking point.
There is a push for AI, not just to help you with your tasks, but for AI to be able to aggregate, assimilate, and then distribute and profit.
Off of all other original content.
You write a book, it can now be AI's book.
You create a video, it can now be AI.
In other words, intellectual property goes away, which would seem to make sense for a man like Elon Musk, whose company is the only one allowed in China, according to the CCP, as a foreign entity.
You know who else supports the idea of AI?
Being able to effectively demolish the idea of intellectual property?
Well, Jack Dorsey.
So it's not just a connection that Dorsey supported banning Trump from Twitter.
There are a lot of reasons, and it doesn't seem like those reasons would be looking out for the United States of America.
Also, you know that Jack Dorsey did a lot of bidding for China, right?
You guys know that, right?
Remember that during COVID?
Remember Taiwan?
Fiasco?
Remember what was going on?
Remember the WHO?
Remember people being banned?
Remember, even John Cena had to make a silly apology for releasing Gizmo out there in China?
That was going on where Jack Doris said, well, we're going to follow the rules of these governments.
Why?
Because they wanted to have an inroad there.
So now we see Elon saying that this is a betrayal to the American people.
Again, $1.6 trillion in cuts versus all of Doge, $180 billion.
By the way, I'd like both.
Yes.
I'd like even more.
I'd like Doge to find the $1 trillion they promised.
Yes.
Keep going, Doge.
Which brings us to, we may like him, may not like him.
Makes a valid point.
Steve Bannon went to blame the entire genesis of the bill on Elon.
The reason, if the big, beautiful bill's got all these problems and it has some issues, he drove it because he promised a trillion dollars, ladies and gentlemen, one trillion dollars that got him off the hook.
It's time for everybody to grow up, run around, oh, show me where it is.
The rescission next week is nine billion dollars and two billion, folks, is PBS and NPR.
Give me a break.
Didn't need Doge for that.
Been fighting for that one forever.
There's $7 billion in there, supposedly, of, I don't know, fraud.
On a $7 trillion, he committed to the President of the United States $1 trillion.
That's where the Wall Street Journal article the other day said, the President said, hey, is this all BS?
So, okay, that could just be conjecture.
Unless Elon did actually suggest on the record that Doge would find at least $1 trillion in savings.
Savings at this point exceed $4 billion a day.
So it's very significant.
You think you'll wind up getting to $1 trillion?
Yeah.
In savings?
I mean, unless we're stopped, we're...
The number now, $180 billion.
Receipts for 30% of that.
Big, beautiful bill will cut $1.6 trillion in mandatory spending over the next decade.
Again, on its face, Elon promised a trillion in savings, delivered a fraction of that, and is now saying that it's betrayal for anyone to vote for or support a bill that will cut $1.6 trillion.
Elon's promised $1 trillion, delivered at best $180 billion.
Bill would be $1.6 trillion.
That's betrayal.
All he goes out and does is publicly and sides with people who, We're involved with the prosecution, tarring and feathering of the man who graciously gave him the position at Doge, Donald Trump.
Jack Dorsey was happy to see that man go through hell.
I guess they really think that he'll have all the power in the universe.
Yeah.
Also, by the way, um, this is the guy who did do, He's capitulated as opposed to, you know, I will pat him on the back because he...
So he's been wrong on a lot of issues and Hey, hold on a second.
If we're talking about cutting spending, how could you push for a...
I mean, really?
You think the taxpayers want that?
Because, hey, if it's a tax credit, I mean, someone else is also on the hook for it.
And I understand that other electric vehicles get it, and Tesla doesn't because they've been successful.
I think it's over 200,000 or over 250,000.
How about no?
How about no subsidies for any vehicles?
How about Americans buy the vehicles they want?
You know, the people who voted for Donald Trump.
And here's the thing, Donald Trump did promise this.
Do you remember that?
Someone can bring that mission control for later in the show.
Remember he said, he likes electric vehicles, but we like gas.
They're fine, they're fine, but we're going to have great gas vehicles.
And I think that Elon Musk was staged that going, oh shit.
And like I said, I don't really understand his argument here.
I just want to clarify something.
To try to compare apples to apples, we did 10 years on this bill because that's how the CBO is going to score it is over 10 years.
We did 10 years on the Doge thing as well.
I think there's about $158 billion right now, but if you put it out over a 10-year period, they say it comes out to about, I'm sorry, over an annual period.
It's like $15 billion plus a year.
So we kind of plus it up.
So $18 billion, $180 billion.
That's kind of a generous number right now, but double it.
Okay, triple it.
We're still not where they should go to.
You're talking about Doge.
Yeah.
Doge, $180 billion.
If you annualize the savings, it would be $15 billion or so, compared to $1.9 trillion over 10 years.
$1.6 trillion.
Sorry, $1.6 trillion.
Yes.
Sixes and nines look the same to me.
They do to you.
I forgot about that.
You said it earlier.
It's a weird six and nine dyslexia.
So that's my whole point to this, is that Elon Musk is a very smart man.
He could make a great argument as to why, because there's a lot more characters you can use on X than what you posted.
You just said it has a lot of pork in it.
Help me understand.
What you're trying to say.
Like, this would be a great time to make the argument for specifically what in the bill you don't like.
That's why I can understand Rand Paul's argument, even though I might disagree with it.
He says, just don't increase the debt ceiling so that we don't have more and more and more debt.
Endless debt because it's higher.
And his real point is the House came in at 4 trillion increase.
The Senate said, no, no, no, no, no. 5 trillion increase in the debt ceiling.
He's even making fun of his colleagues.
That's fine.
It's a principled stand.
I understand it.
Elon's, I have no idea what he's trying to say.
No idea whatsoever.
Because what happens right now, and by the way, I understand the problems with it.
I get the problems with the idea of increased spending.
But this is not like the Obama administration.
This is not even close.
This is not like his omnibus.
Remember his package that he brought in?
And I think that was done through reconciliation in 2009.
It was unprecedented.
So you can say more of the same, sure.
But there's a lot that's not more of the same.
And I'm not going to, we have some people out there who are trying to defend Donald Trump who also don't like Trump.
No, Levitt and Donald Trump said this is his big, beautiful bill.
So he owns it.
Let's compare that.
Let's say you don't support everything in there, but let's go through, okay, the question being asked is, is this what you voted for?
Let me ask you.
Increase in border security and deportations.
Is that what you voted for?
Okay.
Maybe not.
Increase in military spending like the Golden Dome.
All right.
What about extending the tax cuts?
Which benefits everyone, including middle class families.
Do you want that?
People are saying, what did you vote for?
1.6 trillion cut over 10 years.
What did you vote for?
When you voted for this administration, were you thinking of extending massive electric vehicle tax credits?
Did you vote for specifically FAA to issue potentially a no-bid contract to Starlink?
Was that on your top?
Were you thinking about who should be the NASA administrator?
Which, by the way, of course, Elon Musk would have a vested interest considering he's also involved in space exploration.
So if people are saying this isn't what you voted for, it's a betrayal, I think it's pretty tough for Elon Musk to make the case that it's a betrayal for any measure of spending cuts, especially when it outpaces Doge.
While asking for massive tax credits for electric vehicles to benefit his business that is predicated, by the way, on new green energy.
That's the only reason those tax credits exist.
Is that what you voted for?
Did you vote for Greta Thunberg?
Don't bullshit me.
Elon's done a lot of good.
It's been largely ineffectual as far as Doge because we don't have the receipts.
It's been nowhere near what he promised, but I'm still on board with it.
And if the spirit of Doge continues and there are more cuts, great.
I would like to see, to be clear, tax cuts and spending cuts across the board outside of absolute necessity.
To me, strong military and being able to secure our borders.
It falls amongst that.
Yes, and deport people.
That costs a little bit of money as well.
So let's just look at what reality really is right now.
You have a bill that's a reconciliation bill that needs 50 votes.
Well, 51, right?
But even 50-50, good old J.D. Vance can go in there and break the tie.
Yeah.
Right?
That's fantastic.
We don't have any Democrat votes.
We don't have any Democrat policies in here.
That all goes away the minute you introduce a budget bill.
Right.
Because you need 60 votes.
Which means you're going to have to go and give people some stuff.
So, debt ceiling increase?
If you just push that, like Rand Paul wants to do right now, if you just push that to a separate bill, 60 votes.
What will you have to give up to get the 60 votes?
In which case you lose Paul and Massey anyway.
You lose Paul and Massey anyway, and so guess what you have to do?
You have to give up more to get more Democrats to vote for the bill.
This is a very good way of getting this done.
Unless, of course, you think the debt ceiling is never going to be raised again.
Is that really the plan right now?
Defaulting on the U.S. debt?
Essentially?
I don't really think it is.
And that's why I think it's really disingenuous to go out, not just Paul and all these guys, and not make a very clear argument as to why it has to be done your way on this.
They're not accounting for the 60 vote thing.
They're not accounting for what we'll have to give up for Democrats.
What are we going to have to cut?
Yeah.
Do Democrats have any good ideas right now that we're willing to accept so that we can get a debt limit increase?
Because they'll bend us over a barrel and just blame us.
Be like, you're in control of Congress and sit in the White House.
Right.
And you couldn't pass the debt ceiling increase.
You know how this plays out.
Why play directly into their hand?
Pass this bill and then get the spending cuts you want in another bill because it's not going to happen any other way.
You're only going to lose more if you push this out into a separate bill.
And by the way, why doesn't the balancing the budget including, why doesn't it include?
The tax revenue that'll be generated by removing the credits for electric vehicles.
Hey!
I like it.
There you go.
Let's do it.
Right?
Right?
I don't know.
That's just me, Mr. Traditional.
But I'm not a huge fan of what I'm seeing out there.
And you know what?
If you guys...
We know this.
I know this video won't be seen on X. I'll put it that way.
Why?
You think it's chance that Ashley Sinclair, his baby mama, was making, was it $25,000 to $30,000 a month off of X?
And people have done it their entire, not just me, we're making like $40.
Rumble creators don't get views on X. He's not a free speech guy.
But that has nothing to do with it.
But I know this won't be seen on X, so if you're watching, hey, and if you want us to be able to continue to be objective, I like Chris Pavlovsky at Rumble.
I think he's great.
I usually like Elon Musk with some of the things that he's done, but I think the mask has come off a little bit.
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No, no.
Really quickly, we do have the clip for you of Donald Trump talking about cutting the EV credits.
Oh, okay.
So if you want to.
Yeah.
I'm a big fan of electric cars.
I'm a fan of Elon.
I like Elon.
But, you know, I like him.
And I think a lot of people are going to want to buy electric cars, but if you want to buy a different type of car, you have to have a choice.
Oh, that's probably not the best.
Yeah, he said, well, I guess.
Yeah.
All right.
All right.
We're getting out of budget issues.
Let's go to pornography.
What?
Finally.
Definitely not in the budget.
We're talking about Oh, boy.
All right.
We're talking about gimmickry, and we're talking about authenticity and sincerity.
Just like I had to say.
We're done talking about actually Sinclair.
Come on, come on.
Cheat crater.
Yeah.
I get it.
And by the way, before anyone throws out, like I said.
Very imperfect Christian.
Right.
Okay.
Very imperfect Christian.
Before anyone throws out, you ever looked at porn?
Of course.
I'm a man who was born in 1987 and came into the age of the internet when there were no pop-up blockers.
All right?
Just stop.
So that brings us to this question is, should people who have engaged in subverting America That's the question.
And then it comes down to, okay, how do you make that judgment?
Are we allowed to make judgments?
So former OnlyFans and human friction doll Nala Ray is going to be speaking at TPUSA's Young Women's Leadership Summit.
Later this month.
Now, look, of course, it's not like Christians, forgiveness, of course you want people to come into the fold.
I've got it, okay?
And after making millions of dollars in sex work, she turned to Christianity in 2023.
Okay, great.
Here's the thing.
Can someone come in and sit in class?
Is it okay to say, yeah, yeah, you're welcome in the class.
Yeah, you're welcome in the church.
You can't teach it.
You're not welcome on the podium.
We're certainly not going to put you in a position of leadership on account of the fact that you made all of your fortune through prostitution.
This happened, by the way, with Kanye West.
Remember when he came up with his gospel?
We did an entire segment on it.
We said, hey, that's great.
I hope his conversion is genuine.
I think he has some good gospel songs on his album.
Probably shouldn't be leading church.
And you guys heard his recent banger.
Now he's hailing Hitler with a group of his church.
Yes, exactly.
We can't say.
And so now you're looking at, you know, when people talk about, hey, conservative influencers with the young generation, and TPUSA has a very strong college presence, and they have a lot of female representatives who are at these colleges, Nala Ray is going to be speaking.
So, is that a prudent decision because some people have had a discussion about this?
Again, welcome to one of the fold, doesn't make them a teacher.
So now we have to say, okay, is this a good idea?
And it...
I'll ask you this.
Let me frame this really simply.
What bad can possibly come from a new convert?
If you're even remotely skeptical, what bad can possibly come from saying, hey, you're welcome, come on in, submit yourself to the authority of a church, take some lessons here, immerse yourself in theology, be silent, and let's see where this goes.
What bad can possibly come from that?
What good can possibly come from, you were gangbanging last week?
Come here and preach a sermon or teach a course.
What bad can come from the first?
What good can come from the second?
Because I'm telling you, this mistake has been made many, many, many times.
So, is Nala Ray sincere?
Well, we have to go to the tail of the tape.
And concerning is that she has told you that she specifically lies her ass off just to grow her brand.
As a viral creator on OnlyFans, like when I was on OnlyFans about eight, nine months ago, I went on so many podcasts because I knew the only way to grow my OnlyFans was to be viral.
And it's such an oversaturated platform right now.
And I've been on it for like five and a half years.
Everything I've said on podcasts is complete clickbait.
I did it to go viral to then make money.
And so many people believed it.
Like, so for me, I made up this complete character that everyone believed in.
And everyone was like, I was very controversial to people.
And I was very, like, some people really, really liked me.
But at the end of the day, social media is just fake news.
Wait, so you basically lied about everything?
Yeah, pretty much.
It's cute.
Funny.
How do we know...
How do we know she's genuine now?
It's not the same as saying, hey, I was wrong.
Someone saying, well, I was just lying.
That was how I was going to build a career.
I knew I was lying, and I lied.
And now you go, well, how do we know you're not lying now?
Oh, I'm not, but you just said that you lie.
That's very different because you've set it up acknowledging that you lie, and it's especially on issues of spiritual Is that fair?
And so now we can go to, okay, does it seem like she is still lying?
Because she said that's what she does.
Some alarm bells that go off.
And again, I hope that her conversion is genuine and she is welcome and the church would have a conversation with her.
Very different from a situation of leadership.
Here she is.
We've already found some pretty significant lies since the conversion immediately.
Here she is telling Rachel Wilson on that whatever podcast that she's never started a ministry.
How does church history make you safe?
How does church history make you safe?
You quit OF and started a ministry, and now you're out here teaching people I never started a ministry.
Then why are you on here correcting people about theology?
What, your husband?
You don't know the first thing about it?
Your husband who's calling me names?
You're mad at me for correcting your husband who's calling me names and saying I'm not a Christian?
That also, he was saying that you shouldn't be defending the prostitution as permissible by saying it's not prostitution.
So, okay, I've never started a ministry.
Oh boy.
Is that a ministry or is that a business?
Yeah, for 15 to $50 a month, gotta keep those monthly subscriptions coming in.
Can I just read the words?
Oh, nice model.
Yeah, read the words.
Founded by Nala Ray and Jordan Giordano, this ministry...
Oh!
Oh!
No.
No.
Ah!
So hold on a second.
Hold on a second.
I lied to get ahead.
I lied to trick, because guys are easy to trick.
I lied.
Yeah.
Okay.
Are you lying now?
No.
I've never started a ministry.
On your website.
Hey, look at our ministry.
You can join it for $15 to $50 a month.
TPUSA says, lead our young women, sweetheart.
Is it brand new?
Because that video is from November.
Were you planning to start a ministry?
She immediately started selling merch.
The moment she became a Christian, profit.
Profit off sex.
Profit off Christians.
I don't go to church.
Does it cost money to join a ministry, typically?
No.
Not typically.
I've been to church before, and they didn't charge me anything.
There wasn't a cover.
I mean, you can buy books, or you can pay for the materials in a class at church sometimes.
Sure, but she's charging a fee for her ministry?
That sounds like a cover charge when you go into the church.
Right.
Like they're checking IDs and giving you MDMA.
Yes.
You end up doing porn.
I want to skip the next clip and go to the ASMR one.
So, sure, look, maybe you two spend $15 to $50 a month to join what is labeled a ministry on a website, but they claim is not a ministry.
That's kind of your view of Christianity.
Does she have a pay-per-view option?
Well, no, but if not, the good news is we all know that nothing brings folks to Christ like this type of content titled Tingly ASMR Unboxing.
Give me a break.
Vagina.
I have a very special video for you.
I've never done an unboxing before, so...
So, this is gonna be fun.
I hate this.
Your story has a villain.
The box has lots of fun things to talk about.
I'll bet.
This is the kind of content you can find.
That's how we all handle rolling pins.
I'm never going to have to buy bread ever again.
I've tried many recipes, but this one, ugh.
Actually, that's very honest.
Who are those videos made for?
If that's not sexually, if that's not sexual content, Well, you see the one where she has a frosting?
She goes...
Yeah, she makes orgasms.
In that video with the rolling pin, she Yeah, she stroked it first of all.
Who's that for?
That's not for women.
That's not for straight women.
Yeah.
I don't know.
and Ron, by the way, you guys...
They look like they got jizz on top of them.
That's the whole thing.
It's disgusting.
And she's making orgasm faces the whole video like it's...
How is that not?
Yeah.
I want to go back to a point that you made.
And Jeremy, the quarter, you made this point too, right?
We either believe in forgiveness or we don't.
We do.
I believe in forgiveness 100%.
And the clip that you played about her lying, if that was the end of it, then it wouldn't matter going forward.
If she was just sitting in a church somewhere doing her thing, I'd be like, okay, fine.
Sure.
Of course not.
No problem.
But all of this stuff that you're still kind of out there doing and this whole thing that you're branding yourself as a...
Yeah.
Those things really don't mix.
Oh, yeah, you're right.
You're not able to be the porn Christian.
This is not the first time.
Oh, porn again?
Yeah.
It's one of those things, too, where the church, and unfortunately this movement, has embraced what they view as celebrity, novelty, gimmickry.
And so, look, it is a part of the Christian faith.
You are supposed to gatekeep not from followers, but wolves.
Yes.
You're supposed to protect.
Against wolves at the door.
You can't get outraged over mega pastors and people like Benny Hinn and snake handling and cash stuffed into the walls and at the same time say, yeah, the person who charges $15 to $50 a month for ministry courses in paths to contentment, which by the way is just another form of carnal pleasure to be clear.
It's using God like your own self-help ATM machine.
You can't be upset about one and not the other and say, this is A good place to put this person, as far as a position of leadership.
No, when you're a new Christian, you're supposed to be in a position of, you're supposed to be a subordinate.
You're supposed to be submitting to the authority and leadership.
Because you don't, be like me, getting on a skateboard today, then tomorrow going, Mr. Hawk, let me show you.
He'd be like, oh, screw yourself.
What are you talking about?
Be like me giving workout tips.
Or her giving workout tips.
Or lip filler tips.
Now, All of this, too, could just be, alright, maybe she's not lying.
When she said, I don't have a ministry, I've never started a ministry, and then on the website it says ministry.
Maybe her husband wrote that and she didn't write that.
Maybe her saying that she lies specifically to get ahead.
Maybe that's just being taken out of context.
well, okay, even if I granted you all of that, she's being put in a position of...
But I don't agree.
I don't agree with the premise because I don't believe that someone like that with no foundation in the faith will lead people more effectively than actual pastors who know the word.
100%.
But even then, I don't know if she would be capable, considering that...
Or even if you're not a Christian, objectively, the denial of the Holy Trinity is apostasy?
Jesus is God's Son.
No, Jesus is God.
You're a Trinitarian.
Jesus is God.
Well, I'm not a Trinitarian.
I believe in the Father, Son, and Holy Spirit, but He's called the Son of God because He's the Son of God.
No, He's called by John, God Himself.
He allowed Himself to be prayed to.
Jesus Christ is God.
You can pray to Jesus, absolutely, but He is God's Son.
No, He is God.
Then why does the Bible specifically say that God is in heaven on the throne and Jesus says at his right hand there are two, but they are also one?
No, listen, there is one God.
What Bible are you reading?
Like for me, it's like communion means something different for everyone, but communion means relationship.
You are communing with the Holy Spirit.
You are being in one.
You are literally becoming like one with them.
Can you bring back up her course, guys, what it's called there?
The collage F1.
Is it from knees to knees still on my knees?
Yeah, I think it is.
Collage F1.
Can you guys bring that up really fast?
The anointed pathway.
The anointed pathway.
And it's all about finding your purpose and breaking free from baggage.
She said that it means different things to everyone.
talking about community, she said it about Christianity as well.
Well, if it means if Okay.
If For someone to say, well, that could mean a lot of things to a lot of different people, doesn't it then mean nothing at all?
How do you teach?
And my question is, why?
Is she leading anybody?
Of course you can forgive someone.
Of course you can welcome someone.
Hey, welcome to the classroom.
You can't teach.
Welcome to the church.
You can't get on the podium.
Hey, welcome as a guest on this show.
You're not the host.
Why is this a hard concept to understand?
And again, I'm going to ask you, what harm could possibly come from telling someone like this, a new convert who at best has no understanding of the faith, At worst is subverting it to sell a course that could also very likely be apostasy.
What harm could possibly come from the approach of, great, welcome, be quiet, listen, learn, and submit yourself to the authority of people here who've been doing this for a very long time, and we hope that you're with us for years to come.
What harm could possibly come from that?
What net good can possibly come?
From giving someone who has made all of their fortune off of sex work, told you that she will lie to you, and is now selling you new courses, what good can possibly come from giving her a podium to lead other people?
Because they can definitely be led astray.
Sincerity.
Authenticity.
That's a currency that is in short supply today.
And we're going to take your chats on this, on Elon Musk, on Nala Ray, on what's going on, because it seems like there is a groundswell.
People are getting a little bit tired of being fleeced and taken advantage of.
Don't be a mark.
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