Kyle Rittenhouse IN STUDIO! Sit-down & Cigars With Crowder | Louder with Crowder
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All right, we're good this time, right, Quarter Black?
We just started this, and then something funky happened with the YouTube.
This is actually the most nervous I've been for an Ash Wednesday with a special guest.
I don't want to say starstruck, because I don't want to be insensitive, even though I am.
I want to make sure I get this right.
Uh, you know... Dave, you can light your cigar during the, uh... You can light it during the... No, I'm trying.
I'm trying to do it now.
Yeah, well, light it during... And it's alright that you're starstruck around me.
Yes, well, I... I never get over it, Dave.
Every time you're in the green room, I urinate myself a little bit.
I know.
I think that's also because I have the plate in my head and quarter black turns on the microwave.
Uh, look, show them who we have here.
Piss my pants, forget who I am for a few minutes.
Merry Christmas.
This is, we have him here, Kyle Rittenhouse.
This is Ash Wednesday.
Have you ever heard this president say one negative thing about white supremacists?
A 17-year-old vigilante, arguably a domestic terrorist, picked up a rifle, drove to a different state to shoot people.
All right, so he is here.
I want to make sure that I get it.
I have these notes just to make sure I get all the names right so that I get sued as opposed to this young man.
took his AR-15 to Kenosha and became a killer.
All right, so he is here. I want to make sure that I get it.
I have these notes just to make sure I get all the names right so that I get
sued as opposed to this young man. This is a kid who was thrust into a
situation that really through no fault of his own and a lot of conservatives or
people on the right tried to do the the both sides and we didn't.
A lot of prayers said for this kid in the studio, and I think you all know how emotional it was for us when he was vindicated.
And now he's on social media, so it's not, and Kyle Rittenhouse, it's not Fluffer Boy 2004.
Unfortunately, it is not Fluffer Boy 2000.
Why do I have Fluffer Boy, why do I have that here?
To my understanding, I believe that Assistant District Attorney Binger?
Assistant District Attorney Binger.
Oh, I thought it was Boy Fluffer 2000.
Well, Birds of a Feather.
Yeah.
Unless it's 88 Cross, I'm not sure.
Okay.
But one of them was Fluffer Boy.
One of them.
But yours is on Facebook, Instagram, TikTok, at this is Kyle Rittenhouse.
And on Twitter, it's at this is Kyle R. That is correct.
Right.
What are you using the social for?
Well, just to show my life outside of the cameras.
You're taking, like, pictures of your cappuccinos and shit?
My lattes, yes.
My Starbucks.
A little bit of ladies, right?
A little bit of ladies?
Yes, yes.
Or do you like the boys?
It's okay, too.
We don't know.
We don't care.
Only you, Stephen.
Oh, well, thank you.
I'm gonna go.
He's sharp, look at this.
He's so poised too.
He's a polite young midwestern man.
It's all the cheese curds and brats we eat back in Wisconsin.
Polite young man who takes out the trash.
And I mean he actually was cleaning up the trash in Kenosha.
Yeah.
When was the last time you, as a kid, went to a city, well, went to a city where you worked, you know, served as a lifeguard, or your dad lived, to clean up vandalism and trash?
Do you ever remember doing that?
I'm sorry, that whole thing doesn't jive with me.
No, it doesn't jive.
I've gone to a city to buy drugs when I was his age.
That's true.
That was my thing.
You were like a kid who was like, you were practicing to be an EMT, correct?
I was a firefighter EMT cadet at the Antioch Fire Department, and I was a Grayslake Police Explorer.
Wow.
What does that mean?
So I learned what police officers do through a youth program.
It's like sponsored by the Boy Scouts of America.
Okay.
Learning what they do, the career stuff.
Get to hang out with a bunch of cool cops and firefighters, the real heroes out there.
Whoa, whoa, he corrected it.
Do you mean to suggest that nurses tick-tocking are not the same as first responders?
I won't put you in the hot seat, but you said it.
It's working.
Let me ask you, man, and I know you've been making the media rounds now.
Thanks for fitting us in.
What's it like?
What's the relief like?
Uh, being acquitted, um, so like, you're walking up a mountain with about thousand pound weights on your ankle.
Yeah.
And then... That was a tether.
And then you're zip lining it down.
That relief.
Oh yeah.
Like, cause you fainted for real, right?
I didn't faint, my knees buckled in.
Is that what it was?
Yeah.
As you could see, I thought you didn't.
I was like overwhelmed with relief.
That's when you get that real feeling of just, I can't, well you know I've never had that feeling.
It's gotta be the greatest moment.
Oh, 100%.
And then walking out, me and the sergeant for Kenosha Police Department, really professional guy, we sprinted down the hallway, getting out of that courthouse.
Oh, I'm sure.
I guess you could say that's the first time I ran from a cop.
There we go.
Usually you're running toward them with your hands up, with your hands actually up, saying this is exactly what happened.
And that was all misrepresented.
So much of this was misrepresented.
In every way.
I have to be careful in what I ask you. If I ask you anything that you can't answer,
yep, no problem. Just tell me, you know, you tell me to, I'll throw, I'll throw my mug at you.
Well, you know what? That's a, that's a dangerous, it's a registered weapon. I like those asbestos
tumblers. Really? Oh, those things are light. They're, they're, they're, they're, yeah,
they go by feathers. Oh, well, I'll take this home with me.
Okay. Well, that's fine. You can take several home with you. You brought some dogs here too,
which, uh, you know, we're, we're dog people. Um, I don't know why that's relevant.
That's like a stupid Oprah question.
Do you like dogs?
I love dogs.
Yeah, we should really softball this whole thing.
Yeah, we should softball this whole thing.
What do you like, waffles or pancakes?
Yeah, yeah, yeah.
Which one?
I like crepes.
Oh, look at this guy.
He's fancy.
I think I see a new Instagram theme.
I don't know why his pinky's not up.
Crepe life.
It is.
Treat yourself.
Okay, I do have some things that I genuinely just am curious about.
You were, and I think a lot of people got this wrong, and by the way, we'll be taking some chat on Mug Club.
I keep looking to the wrong camera because we have it set up here for Ash Wednesday Live.
Guys, you can comment.
Please hit the like button.
I'm only going to ask this once because I don't want to interrupt our conversation, and we'll be taking your questions, your chat, exclusively on MugClub.
So first let me ask you, and I know Joy Reid said this didn't happen, But she's an idiot.
Yes.
When the president, if not outright said, their argument is he didn't call you a white supremacist, he just inferred it and showed a video of you with him narrating about white supremacy.
I think that's bad enough.
What was that like when the president of the United States, former vice president of the United States, was dragging your name through the mud before you even made it to trial?
Very disappointing.
Biden's a former criminal defense attorney, so he should know innocent until proven guilty, but he decided to go guilty before being proved innocent.
Well, he didn't practice.
I mean, if he did, it was like for six months.
He like clerked.
I mean, he's been suckling at the government, the public teat for his whole life since he was like 27 years old.
Yeah.
I've also heard rumors his memory's fading.
Yes, unsubstantiated.
But Mr. President, I hope you see this, I'd have a sit down and I'll explain the facts to you so you can understand them.
So he just heard a cow bell, a dinner bell, and thinks that you're asking him to come in for pudding.
That's not going to help.
I don't think he'll be having a beer summit with you.
It's only a meal.
Three squares of pudding a day.
Three square cups a day.
Yeah, but you're saying, okay, were you scared?
Did you think that the fix is in at that point?
When you see the most powerful office in the land sounding off, in my mind I would go, he's emboldened here for a reason.
Were you scared?
I was terrified.
Like when I have all these media, lying media organizations, the president coming out and saying all these false things that just are not true.
Right.
It's just like, how could somebody get away with that and not be honest journalists?
Well, the Clintons killed a guy.
Is that true?
Allegedly.
These are rumors.
Not heard of.
Sorry, I don't want to misspeak.
Nine guys.
One girl.
That's good you weren't in the cell alone.
Yeah, yeah.
They, no really, they, you know, that must have been terrifying.
And then it's even worse than that.
You know, I talked about this on air, you have the entire media entertainment industrial complex.
You have the former vice president of the United States, Joe Biden.
Every, not even liberal station, I mean, some backed him up, but yeah, I mean, every new station jumped on white supremacy instantly.
But then in the trial, did, was there ever a moment where your blood ran cold when you, when you found out that the FBI had either withheld or lost the HD footage?
Well, did your blood run cold when you... I remember when I realized that, I thought, oh no, they're gonna railroad this kid.
So, backing up a little bit, with the FBI footage, we figured out about it about a month and a half prior to trial.
Oh.
And we got like a four minute video, extremely compressed.
Okay.
Sorry, Sprite.
Oh yeah, well that's okay.
You're fine.
Don't worry about burping, that's the least offensive thing that's taken place on the show.
Um, but we found out about that a month and a month or so prior to trial happening.
And apparently the state had that for several months, that video, and it wasn't sent to us.
Wow.
Um, and when we got it, the state said it shows me chasing down Mr. Rosenbaum, which just is false.
Mr. Rosenbaum chased me.
Oh yeah, we've seen.
And it's even in the FBI video.
So I'm like, It was in Fluffer Boy 2004's opening statements where he said, and we have FBI footage that will show Mr. Rittenhouse was chasing Rosenbaum.
And I remember us hearing that going, oh, how have they been sitting on this?
How did it not make it to Discovery?
I thought maybe there was something I had missed.
And then he showed it, and I'm going, well, it's the exact opposite of what you said.
Exactly.
Not you, what he said, Fluffer Boy.
You obviously noticed, it must have been, did it come in waves?
You're going, oh, the FBI wants a certain outcome here.
It seems that way.
And then seeing that, I'm like, I was like, oh, geez, it's really good that this is, there's cameras.
And then the second thought is I had, why is the FBI spying on US citizens?
Yeah.
That was my question too.
Yeah.
Is how many other riots that were taking place had drones, or they claimed I think at one point a Cessna, like an actually a manned vehicle.
How many other riots have this footage?
Do they have footage of the man who shot David Dorn?
Do they have footage of the, you know, over a dozen people who were killed at these riots?
The cops who were... They haven't caught the people who shot David Dorn, have they?
I don't know.
I don't know if they're looking.
Yeah, I don't know if they're looking, and for people who don't remember, he's the man who was shot dead, was a longtime St.
Louis, or an area in Missouri, I don't know if it was St.
Louis proper, police officer who was retired, and shot in the street over a television.
Black guy, by the way, before you go with the white supremacy angle again.
Which is odd, when one of the person, people who you defended yourself against, was screaming the N-word over and over again at a gas station.
Oh, that's a question, maybe it's a little bit light.
So, you know, you were there when he was screaming the N-word repeatedly, Rosenbaum.
I wasn't at that gas station, but I saw the videos, but the one time I did hear Mr. Rosenbaum scream the N-word, I was with Ryan Balch, and he came up to us.
I was asking people if they need help.
I was helping the rioters with first aid, and then he came up.
He said, I'm going to fucking kill you, you N-word.
Wow.
And then the second time... I love how we say N-word, but you can say fucking.
Even though you're quoting someone else.
I think it's best.
Yeah, I think it's best because we played the clip and we were accused of using the n-word on television because we're like, this is what he said.
I didn't want to whitewash it.
But sorry, continue.
So this is when you saw him.
And then I was like, okay.
And we moved away from him.
Yeah, like Grandpa Simpson walking into the brothel and walking back out when he sees Bart.
Okay, so Red Flag.
Yeah, very big red flag.
He was setting fires everywhere.
I saw him set a trailer on fire.
He was walking around with a chain.
And a mental hospital bag, is that correct?
That's what he threw at you.
When he threw it at you, did you know it?
Or were you like, oh my god, Percocet.
Did you see what was in it?
I didn't know what was in it.
I thought it was a metal chain because how it was shining through the light.
I know it's not a metal chain now, but that's what I saw when it was thrown.
If nothing else, we have to say about Rosenbaum that he's a renaissance man in the armaments that he chooses.
Yes.
I was surprised he didn't go with a zip gun.
He went with a chain.
He did.
I respect that.
He did.
He was snapping and snapping.
Did you notice, though, to me, what I saw was not just him screaming the N-word.
But that there were black guys around him?
We didn't do anything, which tells you he's really crazy.
They were just like, oh my god.
Yeah, when you don't punch that guy, he really seemed insane.
Like, he really did seem... Did you get that vibe when you... Yeah, did you get just that vibe of danger?
I noticed somebody who was, like, threatening to kill me.
I'm like, nobody threatens to kill somebody.
That's not normal.
Well, I threatened to kill Dave all the time.
It's okay.
You guys have a little bit of a romance going on.
We do.
Well, yeah.
Then he has me spit in his mouth.
I'm like, come on.
Steven, we all saw behind the scenes.
I say, surprise me with it.
Yes.
He shows up in a corset and says, do you like surprises?
That's how I like my coffee.
So, I had to ask Stephen to change.
He was wearing lingerie for Dave before I came here.
That's true.
Well, I wouldn't call it lingerie because I'm French-Canadian.
Well, there's way too much exposed.
I would call it a string.
I mean, I wouldn't, yeah.
Well, I mean, honestly, it was just a pair of socks.
He likes me to wear a little something.
Yeah, there's definitely some stuff popping out.
Yes!
They've got the doilies on them.
So sorry, we're going back to Rosenbaum.
But the FBI to me that was what just sucks.
My attention is aimed at this child and not this child.
Yeah.
Yeah.
Got a cigar by children.
So the FBI, though, to me, that was really scary.
I think for a lot of people realized, okay, In this case, I don't want to tar and feather one at the FBI, in this case, there's a politically charged agenda if they didn't give them this footage.
At least behind someone, right?
Yeah, but in this case, I didn't really, I didn't see this as a political case.
I saw this about a case of self-defense.
That's how I looked at it.
I know a lot of people disagree with me, but that's how I saw it.
Well, I think that's what it was.
It was the right time for the media to build up a story that they wanted, and they used you, and that's terrifying, I'm sure.
Yeah, especially just being a normal 17-year-old kid who was attacked, and next thing I know, everybody in this world apparently knows who I am.
Yeah.
I can't imagine.
Let me know if I'm attacked by a, I mean, you didn't know at the time, a child rapist.
And this has nothing to do with you exercising your right to self-defense, but it also goes back to this idea of the sort of these reforms that we've seen.
This is a guy who really probably should have been locked away for life based on the crimes that he had committed, just like you see people in New York with this sort of cash bail.
They go out and they commit violent crimes again.
And unfortunately, law-abiding citizens are the ones who get vilified.
People would say, well, you had no business being there.
I never said that because I don't believe that.
I think it's a lot easier for people to say, I'm justifying why I wasn't there.
I think a lot of people thought, you know what, this is a kid who's trying to do the right thing because no one is.
And a city where he works and he has close ties is a blaze.
I know you probably would, if you could do it again, you wouldn't go down.
Hindsight being 20-20, I would have stayed home.
Hindsight being 20-20, but we can't change that, and it doesn't change the fact that I was attacked and defended myself.
No, absolutely.
But you would have stayed home just because you would, you'd rather avoid all this?
Exactly.
Well, I can't imagine being 18, I mean, and I know it's gotta be difficult for you to have to, you know, deal with all of this, but like, why did you go out that night?
That's what I guess, because people, so many people keep asking.
Well, he was there before that night.
Oh, you were there before the night?
Yeah, you were there before.
I was there that morning cleaning graffiti off of Rutherford Central High School with Dominick and my sister and Ray.
And then I stayed the night at Dominick's house the night prior and we had fish for dinner that night.
Yeah.
See, I just think people need to hear that, though, because there's this... Was it fish?
Yeah, was it good?
Was it salmon?
Was it tilapia?
Was it a halibut?
Bluegill chips?
Oh!
Yeah, fried bluegill chips.
Really good.
One of my favorite foods.
Really?
Yeah.
That's very specific.
You're going to be a very good Instagram foodie.
Yeah, people are going to love it.
Food is everything.
It explains the gut.
It's almost bigger than Dave's.
Please.
Good Lord.
Dave, you can unload on the kid now.
All right, listen here.
You came to play.
Dave will play.
No, look, I want you to... Look, you want a puff of this cigar?
Take a puff of this cigar.
Look, I saw you smoking cigarettes and I know that this kid wants a cigar.
I feel like you've been on trial for worse things.
Why don't you want a puff of the cigar?
Okay, I will not say that this kid uses nicotine in any form or fashion.
Well, I have a real question.
How much Call of Duty experience did you have?
Yes.
I think that's what's on all of America's Markets.
And how did you unlock AR-15, which isn't available in the game?
But I was Prestige 27 in Call of Duty.
Okay.
Before this all happened.
Wow.
Now I'm only like Prestige 6.
I don't know what that means.
I don't have a clue.
Did you rescue the princess?
I didn't rescue the princess.
If I rescued the princess, she'd be right here with me.
Yeah, oh, there you go.
Well, we have Dave.
That's good enough.
Can I get a tiara?
Yes.
And only a tiara.
Yeah, I'll be back with socks and a tiara.
What do you think was the most important lesson that you learned?
Not hindsight 2020, you wouldn't go down there.
But in all of this, what was your big takeaway besides the relief of not being acquitted?
My biggest takeaway is how the government can just try to push their own narrative unsuccessfully in my case, but they can push their own agenda and just try to put anybody away for defending their self or any innocent person.
What do you think would have happened if there wasn't more footage than people could watch in a lifetime?
Steven, we wouldn't be here.
No.
You think you'd be locked up?
I think I'd be in jail if there wasn't all these videos.
And that's most people.
That's to me what's so scary.
There was all the footage, and it didn't matter anyway.
That's when people say, we're divided in this country as though we need to reach across the aisle, where I go, well look, there's all of this footage, and it doesn't matter anyway.
I think that you were really a line in the sand for a lot of people, for them to wake up.
If there wasn't any of this footage, the state would have been able to push their own narrative and say what they wanted to say, and they may have got away with it.
Did you feel when the jury was deliberating that there was a good chance that they were looking almost for a guilty plea because it was taking so long?
I don't know.
I don't know what happened in that deliberation room.
I don't know if I'll ever know.
But after the second day, I was getting nervous.
Oh, I bet you were.
There was probably one soccer mom holdout.
Probably.
Was there a Karen on the jury?
I'm not sure.
What's going on, guys?
Are we okay?
Are we good?
Okay, because Kyle's looking at you.
I know.
They're walking around you, right?
Like the Keebler elves.
They're distracting me.
Yes, I know.
They're distracting all of us as well.
Come on, let this kid tell his story.
You guys are distracting me.
Let him tell his truth.
You said you're burning your AR-15?
I'm having it destroyed.
Destroyed, right.
Yeah, because burning it probably wouldn't work.
Yeah.
Why's that?
It's just something I don't need.
I don't want it back on the street.
I had to defend myself with it.
I don't think it should be propped up in a museum like a lot of people think.
I think it just needs to be destroyed.
Oh, they gave it back to you.
No, no.
We're putting in a motion for the police department to send it off to be destroyed and I think we're going to send one of our guys, one of our people with it to make sure it is destroyed.
Okay.
Are you going to get another one?
I don't know.
Are you going to get some firearm?
I don't know.
He's going to get a firearm.
No, my man.
I might have to.
I'll get a Nerf gun.
Yeah, there you go.
Because, you know, just piss off the pedophiles.
That's a good way to go about it.
You might see it while buying a Nerf gun.
I don't know if a Nerf gun with a serial child rapist, that's like a rape whistle that calls more rapists.
I'm not sure.
I think so.
It's Nerf or nothing.
I haven't seen the ads for this Christmas.
What do you want for Christmas?
What do I want for Christmas?
Well, I got my Christmas gift, freedom.
There you go.
But what do you really want for Christmas?
Besides freedom.
Yeah, besides freedom.
I mean, that's a good answer, Amy Grant.
Listen, I'm going to ask some questions nobody's asked yet because people want to know.
I didn't mean you, I mean him saying that he wants freedom for Christmas.
I think it's a good, well we're not going to have it much longer.
No.
So we might as well enjoy it while we can.
Right.
So what, do you have anything that you want specifically?
What do I want for Christmas?
Everybody in this world to just stop fighting and unite as one instead of being politically divided.
Just everybody to be together.
Well, they're kind of doing it with China.
We're going to have to move on down.
I don't think that one's coming down your chimney this year.
What would I like?
Something that we could buy for you.
Take a hint.
Yeah, we'll send you some.
You want to ride two speedboats like skis?
He'll pay for it.
You can make it happen.
Yeah, at least lease him for a couple of months.
Just be with family.
Eat food.
Spend time with family and relax.
Yeah.
How long were you locked up?
I was in jail for 87 days.
Dang.
What was that?
Do I have you topped, Dave?
You do have me topped.
Oh!
How long were you?
I had only been in jail like a few days at a time and then I was locked up once in a mental hospital for 20 and then...
Sixty, maybe, in juvenile rehab?
Yeah, different childhood.
Yeah, I wasn't like you.
I wouldn't have been going there.
Well, if people had drugs for sale, I would have ran.
You were going through everyone's mental hospital bag.
Trust me, if I saw the cops, I'm not running at them when I'm 18.
No, absolutely not.
And you are running at the hospital bags.
Are you going, what's in here?
Yeah, oh no, certainly I would look through and be like, oh cool, lithium.
He used to wait outside of the mental hospital and pop people in the head so they'd drop their bag like a piñata.
Oh, look, Vicodin, Percocet, great, and he would grab him.
Made a lot of money.
He's a degenerate.
It's okay.
Degenerate?
Let me ask you, uh, let me ask you this.
Uh...
I wanted to ask, because I saw your reaction when Binger asked, I want to make sure I get this name right, it was Ritchie McGinnis, where Binger said you had no idea that he was reaching for Kyle's gun, or he was trying to take Kyle's gun, and Ritchie McGinnis said, who was called by Binger, the prosecution said, well he reached for his gun and said fuck you.
I saw you start kind of trying to hide back as intense as it was a smirk.
Do I have that about right?
Yeah.
Um, so I was, I was like, I was like, why is he asking these questions?
Like, this is what Richie was saying, and this is what I was hearing and seeing.
Yeah.
Like it's on video.
Yeah.
But were you dumbfounded as to how Flufferboy2004 could ask that question?
He rightly admitted it.
I mean, did that give you a huge amount of relief?
Well, that's Gage Grosskreutz.
Yeah, I was going to get to that.
Oh, I thought... No, this is the guy who was with him who... No, sorry, I always get them confused.
This is... Richard McGinnis.
Richard McGinnis.
He was the one who saw the...
Guy reach for your gun.
So that was a big one, but I remember you smirking at that.
But then, did you go, that's the moment that changed the case when Gage Grosskreutz admitted that you only shot when he came up and aimed at you?
Because that was, for everyone here, we said, whoa, when that happened live.
Well, the moments... I didn't think they had a case from the beginning when they started off their opening statements with lying to the entire jury.
Right.
And then putting on a witness, Dominic, who helped me.
Yeah, I thought the prosecutor was your lawyer.
Yes.
That's what we thought at first.
We were confused.
He's really bad at this.
And I have, my attorneys are great.
Mark Richards, Corey Shroffsey, and Natalie Wisco.
They're great attorneys.
Phenomenal.
I don't think I would have been able to get off without them.
Yeah.
Even though you say you know that they didn't have a case, a prosecution, and they were lying, but it still must be in the back of your mind that, you know, they can railroad you if they want.
Yep, 100%.
And then with the Gage testimony, Attorney Sherroff, he said, it wasn't until you chased him down Did you feel like, okay, pretty confident after that, that at least I won't be convicted on the severe murder charges they were trying to press?
Did you feel like, okay, I'm out of the woods the moment that happened?
Did you feel like, okay, pretty confident after that, that at least I won't be convicted
on the severe murder charges they were trying to press?
Did you feel like, okay, I'm out of the woods?
The moment that happened, there was a shift in your attitude?
I stayed optimistic the entire trial, but it was more like, at least he's honest.
Right.
Or high.
Yeah, most likely the latter.
Yeah, most likely the latter.
And I want to go two more questions on Gage Grosskreutz, who's beautiful and brave.
He then went on Good Morning America and other shows to Talk about cultural appropriation of spacers.
I'm surprised he doesn't have ringlets on his neck.
I'm surprised his name was Gage and he had ear gauges.
I just thought it was a pro wrestler name.
But then he went on Good Morning America, I believe, with Michael Strahan?
Yeah, then he goes on Good Morning America and just lies about his... He said the exact opposite of his testimony because he's not under oath.
Well, yeah, he can say whatever he wants.
I think it's like he just lied.
I can't think of the name, but he perjured himself or something?
He perjured himself, yeah.
Yeah, he perjured himself and I'm like...
Yeah.
If you want to become a lawyer, you might need to learn those terms.
Well, he said on the stand, I believe, that he said, I'm going to effing kill you, right?
No, Gage Groskritt said on the stand that he pointed his gun at Kyle.
Right.
Yeah.
He admitted that he himself, the first person, aimed a gun at you.
And then he lied in office police reports.
He said he was going to help me because I was being, he saw me being attacked.
Right.
And then he said... Weird way to These are the reports where he failed to mention that he had a gun?
These are the reports where he doesn't mention that he has a gun?
Kind of a big deal.
Yeah, you'd think.
Oh, and by the way, he remembered all these details.
It's only a homicide trial.
You may want to include that you had a gun.
He included a ton of details.
I mean, he remembered if you were wearing boxers or briefs, but he didn't remember they had a Glock 27.
I thought it was odd.
Yeah, exactly.
Well, and he drove farther.
That was amazing.
You think he lives 35 miles farther than you?
You know he didn't know.
I'm like, can someone get this guy an old VHS of Dora the Explorer?
Get the map song out of here.
He has no clue.
That's another thing, where people thought you went into this foreign city that you have connections with.
Kenosha was my community.
My dad lived in Kenosha.
My best friend lived in Kenosha.
And that was just my community.
I hung out there every day.
I spent more time in Kenosha than I did in Illinois.
And for that whole state line crossing stuff, I worked in Kenosha and I had to cross multiple state lines to get here, Stephen.
Yeah.
Well, especially people who don't live in the Midwest.
You know, I was born in Michigan and my wife was raised there.
You know, you're driving from, we do that drive all the time, from Michigan to Chicago.
My mom grew up in Michigan.
Oh, where did she grow up?
You know where Wilson is?
No, do you?
Is that northern?
Northern?
I have no idea.
Uh, by Cadillac?
Yeah.
Oh, yeah, yeah, sure, yeah, Cadillac, yeah, up in northern Michigan.
That's a beautiful area.
Well, he's a, he's a Detroiter, too, and you know, I mean, Ohio, Michigan, Indiana, Illinois.
Oh, it's right there.
I can go to another country.
So, is Detroit really Midwest, though?
People argue about that.
They do.
It's more Robocop than Midwest.
It's more apocalyptic.
It's, no, I love Detroit, but I always considered it, like, north, really.
It's basically Canada.
It's, like, right on the fringe.
Yeah.
It is different from Wisconsin.
It's across the border.
Yeah.
You can have a cigarette there.
I believe it's 19.
Or 18.
You're still- In Canada?
Yeah, right- Well, you can drink.
I don't know if you can have a cigarette.
Oh, I don't know what the rules are there.
Don't get him in trouble on this show.
Dave, you're trying to get me in trouble.
Well, you just said- Well, first off, you- This is Canadian over here.
Yeah, you want- So you just said- We're American.
You now are saying, because you want- You wanted to be a nurse.
I remember reading that and being surprised.
Yeah.
And I said, you know what?
Go and be a nurse, but please make sure that you never have to work again, as far as the media, you know, pulling Nick Sandman.
This is what I was thinking.
You don't have to answer that.
What is with that, though, where you're going into school, correct?
I'm at college.
I'm in college.
You are in college now.
But he's switching.
He wants to become a lawyer.
That's what I was going to ask him next.
Oh, I'm sorry.
No, no, go ahead.
But there was like people protesting that.
Is that true?
That is correct.
Okay.
What college?
Arizona State University.
Is that where you're going?
Yes, that's where I'm a student at.
Oh, you are going to get herpes, my friend.
Just don't show up to the wrestling meet.
The last time I had a concussion was in Arizona.
HPVU.
Yeah, next video, Stephen, is going to be me and you wrestling.
Oh, geez.
Did you wrestle?
Yeah, I wrestled for a little bit in high school.
Oh, wow.
Okay.
I mean, middle school.
So are you still there, though?
It's just online, I would assume.
Yeah, it's online.
I took a compassionate withdrawal from my classes.
My professors, well, my professors offered it, and then a week later they gave me a compassionate withdrawal, which, thank you for that.
But then they came out with this statement saying, oh, no, no, no, no, he's not enrolled at ASU anymore.
I'm like, I'm enrolled, I'm just not in any classes.
I'm admitted.
I have a student portfolio.
Right.
They're like, we are taking his checks.
Yeah, even when you're innocent.
That's something, have you learned here?
Even if you're innocent, the court of public opinion is very different.
And it's not, there weren't even a lot of protesters there.
No.
It was a very, very small amount.
Yeah.
And then people are just like, let him get an education.
Right.
I'm like, yes, that's what I want to do.
I want to go to law school.
I'm going to ASU in the spring in person.
I want to do my four year undergrad there before I take the LSAT and go do my three years of law.
Yeah.
But hopefully before you finish, you own Don Lemon's house.
But you switched from nursing to law.
Is that because of the... I heard you mentioned prosecutorial misconduct.
Yes.
Do you want to be a defense attorney?
I do.
I want to be a criminal defense attorney.
Okay.
I think you're going to do very well.
I'm big on, no matter who the person is, I believe everybody deserves fair and good legal representation.
Like OJ.
Mm-hmm.
So, Joan Dimitris, she selected the O.J.
Simpson jury.
She helped select my jury.
She's a phenomenal jury consultant.
She's more than that for us, though.
She was a rock for my mom, somebody my mom can lean on and hold during this entire ordeal.
Yeah, how was she doing?
I remember watching that.
Yeah, that looks sad.
I mean, there are three times that I've cried on this show or come close to it.
On air.
Yeah, on air.
When Hopper died, and I had to talk about it, when David Dorn, we watched that footage, and we all about lost it when you were crying on the stand.
It was really, really hard for all of us.
One of the hardest things was me keeping my composure, and then seeing your mom.
How has she been doing now?
Is she relieved?
She's relieved.
She's doing so much better.
I think she's a little mad at me right now, but that's okay.
Why is she mad?
Still smoking cigarettes?
No, she doesn't smoke anymore.
No, you.
She's mad because you're smoking a cigarette.
Yes, yes.
No, what has she met?
I think I left her on read or something.
You left what?
Yeah, I think I left my mom on read this morning or something.
On read?
I didn't reply back to her text.
Oh, okay, I didn't know.
I don't know about your Call of Duty prestige term texting.
You don't play Call of Duty, Stephen?
No, I'm married and have twins.
You have twins?
Yep, just had twins.
And I didn't play Call of Duty before.
Congratulations.
Thank you very much, yeah.
Both boys or both girls?
One boy, one girl.
Nice.
So identical?
Yeah, I don't fully understand.
He looks like me.
He does when he smiles.
He has, you know, he has the weak jaw, unfortunately, and a little upturned nose.
And she looks, thank goodness, more like her mother.
We didn't want one of those Billy Joel daughter situations going around where she comes out.
Could look like her mom, but she looks like me.
Yeah, a monster would call them a butterface, and they're not that perfect.
Yes, a monster.
Could've looked like Christie Brinkley, daughter Joel.
Yeah, isn't that crazy?
He came out looking like the piano man.
So I'm glad, so your mom is doing better.
Yeah, same with my sisters.
They're doing good.
They're hanging out at home, relaxing.
They may be going on vacation sometime.
But they're just hanging out with friends, catching up on everything we missed, because we all had to put our, they had to, thank you to them, they had to put their lives Are they going through any sort of therapy or counseling?
I don't want to say as traumatic for them, but in a different way.
Definitely.
Because you're in it, but for them there's also the trauma.
Feeling completely helpless.
Yeah, but they've been so helpful to this all Especially my mom.
She's been really She's been really good to this entire thing Yeah, that was that was really hard to watch because you're watching it live on the show and and to be honest I had listened to so much rhetoric on the news that it said he was a white supremacist There's almost this view that you went down there and like I'm clean Dave what?
Tell him what you thought before you were in the show I did.
I thought that he was... He thought you were what the media told him.
And then he was on this show.
Because all I had heard was CNN going, he's a white supremacist.
I figured you went down there in like a MAGA hat.
They wanted you to believe that you were hunting people.
So I watched the trial going into it because we started covering it.
And it was almost immediate where I'm like, wait, this is everything I've heard so far just in the one attorney's opening statements shows that you weren't anything that they painted you.
I can't tell you how many people, when I would talk with them in person, would say, Wait, the people he shot were white guys?
Yeah.
People didn't know after you were acquitted that you had shot three white guys.
And that's the thing, people don't do their research.
I urge anybody to go back and watch the trial.
I'm sure Stephen will link it in the description.
Yes, we'll link it.
We'll have all the references, yeah.
Yeah, we have to.
So anyway, if you don't know the facts, just go back and watch the trial.
Spend like two and a half weeks watching it and just learn the facts of the case and then make up your opinion after.
What do you think is the most, if people have to come away with one or two, the most important key facts that the public perception about which is wrong?
What do you think is the key fact that people think or the misperception that people have that is most pervasive?
That I didn't cross state lines and that rifle I was carrying was 100% legal for me to carry.
Dude, that is the one that I keep having to tell people as well.
I think you're right.
I think that is the number one thing that is completely... Because I saw an article today where they're like, he crossed state lines and carried an illegal firearm.
And I think it was an article that said I was in self-defense, but they said I crossed state lines and my firearm was illegal.
Right.
Why does that one bother you more than the idea of white supremacists?
Why is that the one that sticks in your craw so much?
That's the one I hear the most.
Again, on the white supremacy stuff, it's just false.
Well, that was the first charge dismissed, too.
The firearm charge.
Because from the beginning, I said, I don't think he's going to get quarter black disagreement.
He was like, I don't know.
I think they're going to railroad this kid.
I said, I genuinely believe that he will be acquitted.
Because of how murky, to be fair, some lawyers can use the legalese of the firearm laws in Wisconsin, I thought maybe they might need to try and make an example of this and get them on some kind of a firearms charge, but that doesn't mean that it's right.
When they dismissed that one, I thought, okay, we're cooking with gas now.
Did you feel that momentum shift?
Uh, no, not really.
I didn't think, in my opinion, I don't think the gun had any bearing on the right to self-defense.
Right.
At all.
So I wasn't really worried.
I mean, more so I'm seeing it like, okay, there might be some objectivity here.
You know what I mean?
Because that was something that everyone said and it was dismissed, right?
The people in charge said, no, we're not going to play that.
Well, and even the footage they had to show, because so many people were like, oh, you were pointing it at people, this and that, like, all the footage showed that you weren't.
Yeah, I didn't point my firearm at anybody who wasn't attacking me.
Exactly.
Yeah, and that was honestly amazing.
I know I wouldn't have been so composed.
I want to ask you about that, I don't know if you can answer this, you can always tell me if you can't, because Gage said that you, he used the term, re-racked your gun.
And this was something that was, it came from his Twitter, by the way, to the point where when we were trying to get the key details from the case, we were wrong.
We issued a correction saying, it doesn't appear that Kyle actually did that, but it was everywhere, and it stemmed from Gage's Twitter.
It did not happen.
So I never pulled the charging handle back.
I never went through, I never pulled that, but I did hit the forward assist to close the ejection port, which was open a little bit.
Okay.
And, uh, was that training too, that you, um, did you have firearms training before?
No.
I knew, I don't know much about firearms, but I knew that the forward assist will close the bolt if it's a little bit open.
Beginner's luck.
For crying out loud, that was unbelievably quick.
Yeah, I mean, seriously, dude, that shows your adrenaline and how afraid you were.
I mean, and when you did break down on the stand, I do have this question, because I know that was hard, and if you don't want to relive it, just say so, but aren't you bothered by the fact that immediately people were like, oh, he's faking?
Because what, you're just Meryl Streep all of a sudden?
You can do the greatest acting ever?
He wasn't sleeping with Harvey Weinstein.
The Oscars, yes.
Look, it took everything I had.
I had an anxiety attack.
I bet you did, yeah.
I had a PTSD episode on the stand.
That's what I said when it happened.
People said he was faking.
I said, I've had panic attacks.
Have you had panic attacks before that?
Yeah, when I was in jail I had quite a few panic attacks.
Was that the first time you experienced panic attacks?
Last time I was, before the trial, was in jail.
And then I learned how to control it with tactical breathing.
But your first panic attack was in jail?
Had you ever experienced panic attacks before that?
for jail. No. So you know I've had a handful of times in my life I can count on one hand.
No.
And it bothers me when people go oh my gosh I was so anxious I had a panic attack. No,
no you don't know what that means. It's different. It's not social anxiety that you fix with
your weed. It's a physiological response. And when we were live I remember saying he's
having a panic attack.
And it just makes it, it just, it's very upsetting because I don't care what people say.
I've longed to live past that.
Yeah.
But I'm like, it took everything I had to fight back because I didn't want to cry on national TV.
Well, that's the hardest part about a panic attack, as I get them too, is the more you're trying to stop it.
They get worse.
It exacerbates it.
Yeah, absolutely.
Right.
Yeah.
And respectfully, I told people, look, if he was going to fake cry, he wouldn't fake ugly cry.
Yeah, right?
It's true.
It wasn't a distinguished cry.
It wasn't like a lone Native American tear looking at a trash bag in the wind.
It was a Clint Eastwood.
You didn't look like the most dashing suitor while that was happening.
Come on, Steven.
I thought I looked good.
Yeah, you're doing it in the mirror beforehand.
Good!
I'm gonna be aces!
No, when we were watching it live, I remember we said that, and I said, watch, they're going to say that he's faking.
Oh, I knew right away.
And right away, and that just, I think we all watched, we felt like you were a little brother.
Honestly, everyone here, this was the most, we had taken this more personally than anything else, because, you know, we have to be careful too, because if we try and raise, that's a problem for you, if we try and raise money for you, if we try and, and I had been on the phone with my lawyer, what can we do, and he said, the best thing you can do is I'm not interested in any internships.
But I know that we had reached out to you behind the scenes and wanted to keep a healthy
distance because I'm sure you have every Tom, Dick, and Harry now knocking on your door
offering you internships or probably broadcast or book deals.
I'm not interested in any internships.
I respectfully know.
What about book deals?
I don't know.
There have been offers, right?
I don't think so, but I'll see what the future holds.
Children's book?
When you were in jail.
So we'll do a coloring book.
A pop-out?
Yeah, we'll do a coloring book.
You'll just pop out like, surprise, bitch!
That's it, it's one page?
Yeah, it's just one page.
Just one page about trigger control.
Um, what did you read in jail?
I'm curious about that.
Um, I read the entire Maze Runner series.
Um, I read, I read so much in jail.
Yeah.
I never read so much in my life.
I didn't have my phone.
Yeah.
It's probably a good thing.
No.
No?
I thought you were gonna be like, oh, I learned a lot about myself.
No!
I wanted to be TikToking!
Yeah, I wanted to be posted on 4DoorsMoreHorrors.
Yeah, that's right, that was brought up.
Yeah, I don't see how being hilarious is a problem.
Guilty!
Yeah, done.
And not to be the elephant in the room, though I think hilarious.
It's Dave Scott hanging out.
I'm just kidding, Dave.
Shots fired, huh?
That was a bad joke.
He's going to play Santa next week.
He's getting in character.
No, I eat a lot of fish.
Was it bluegill?
It was bluegill, yes.
We have to try that bluegill.
I don't know if I've eaten bluegill.
We're from Michigan where everything is whitefish.
and that's it can be it's it's fine but like a lot of old you guys have like salmon there and everything yeah we do but for some reason they bring out the white fish first and it's a it smells like how fish dying perch does yeah perch you're not the what's that place where the Chelsea cafe they have good perch You know what's really good?
Mahi-mahi.
Mahi-mahi is one of my favorite fish.
It's a very lean fish.
There's a place in Manhattan Beach, I think it's a franchise, and they do grilled mahi-mahi.
Really?
You've never been to Manhattan?
No.
Manhattan Beach, California.
One used to be a white supremacist haven.
Which one?
Well, I guess I repeat myself.
And now you got me off track.
Sorry.
I'm sorry.
We were talking about my fat ass eating fish.
Well, he was the one who brought up your fat ass eating fish.
Look, I thought I wore something slimming.
You know what?
It's okay.
Me and you both, Dave.
I know.
You and I should go get some fish together.
Let's do it.
Kyle and I have perfect bodies.
Short, stout.
You don't need to look good on the stand to hurt with your words, Kyle.
Let that be a lesson to you.
Dave has feelings too.
I don't have many.
They're damaged from all the years of drugs.
So, you read the Maze Runner series.
Were you reading any law books?
Yeah, that's what I was going to ask.
No, they didn't have any law books.
They're like, we don't want you to figure out how to get out of this.
That's smart.
That's actually smart.
I would not allow any prisoners access to law books for the same reason I don't want them to have access to the gym.
Yeah, let's send these violent criminals stronger into society than they were before.
Never got it.
I'll have to disagree with you on that one, Stephen.
I believe everybody has a right to exercise because working out is a huge stress reliever and it's something else to focus on.
And reading law books, I think you should be able to know the law if you're going through a criminal proceeding.
Right.
But I'm just saying if someone's on death row, there's nothing wrong with a nice yoga DVD.
Yeah.
He doesn't need to be doing heavy bench press.
Well, they don't have weights.
I mean, you weren't in prison.
They didn't have a gym at the juvenile place, but, like, I don't think they have any weights.
It's just, like, push-ups and, like, sit-ups and stuff.
How was your treatment?
Yeah.
No, they were very professional and nice to me.
The guards?
Yeah.
What about the inmates?
The kids at the juvenile center, they didn't like me at first.
They would, like, be like, oh, ugh.
And then I'm sure it was quite a bit more severe than that.
Yeah.
I wouldn't imagine if I went into jail, and they were barking through the bars.
Gross.
I'd be like, I got off easy.
Oh, yeah.
Oh, what did they really like?
They didn't like you?
What kind of things would they do?
How would they mess with?
Well, they wouldn't mess with me at all.
But they just would like, they just didn't like me until they got to know me.
And then I'm, I'm like a king at spades now.
So I'd like, I'd like run the spades table.
Oh, so thank God, that's what you meant.
Yeah.
Dave, what were you doing in jail?
What's Spades?
Is that a game?
It's a game.
You don't know Spades?
You don't know what Spades are?
No.
It's a card game.
I had a legendary Uno run for four years that my dad... This man's been nowhere near a jail.
No, nowhere near a jail.
I actually almost got sent to jail for jumping a Metro turnstile in Montreal.
It turns out it was a serious, I don't know, a different level of misdemeanor or felony the week before and they changed the law.
What a lame story, you should never tell it again.
I know, I should never tell it again.
This went nowhere, but... I think it's fun, we're just... I had an UNO run that you can talk with after this with Darren about, my Pops Crowder.
They thought I was cheating.
So that's the only card game I played, because once I had a four-year run, I just retired on top like Rocky Marciano.
You were cheating, weren't you, Steven?
Hand to God, I was not cheating.
I don't know what it was for four years, undefeated, and we would play all the time.
But I never played Spades, because, you know, when you find what you're good at, I just played Uno.
So what is Spades?
How is that different?
Do you know Euchre?
No.
Okay, maybe that is just a Michigan thing.
No, that's Euper.
He's from Wisconsin.
Oh, right.
No, sorry, it's still Michigan.
Did we win a war for that?
Yeah, I don't know exactly.
I don't know why it's there.
It's not even part of Michigan, really.
They're all in Packers Jack and stuff.
Do you have... this is a traumatic experience, right?
We're obviously making light of it, because that's sometimes the way to process it.
Yeah.
Yeah, it's the only way to process it.
Do you have PTSD, do you think?
Yeah, my shrink said I did, but it took me a while to believe that.
Why didn't you believe the shrink?
You know, because I'm like, no, I'm fine, I'm normal.
My ego got the best of me, apparently.
Yeah, you're just like, ah, water off an AR-15's back.
Well, I mean, I imagine you're gonna be, you're in therapy, I would imagine.
Yeah.
And you're gonna have, you have PTSD, I would assume.
Yeah.
Do you have, like, recurring dreams about it?
I have nightmares occasionally.
They definitely have slowed down over the past couple weeks.
Do you have what they would call memory avoidance?
Sometimes.
Sometimes, but not a lot.
I stare off into space a lot.
You're 18.
You're probably thinking about girls like he thinks about smack.
No, I'm thinking about you, Stephen.
Well, thank you.
Whoa, geez.
It wouldn't be so uncomfortable if you weren't just denigrating his physique.
He wasn't denigrating.
He was like, ah, Dave's not my type.
Stephen, where's the assless chaps?
I saw the ball gags in the coffee.
He was saying we match in physique because we both eat a lot of fish.
All right.
Well, then I guess I don't know who you want to date.
It comes as a couple pick.
Yes, exactly.
It's a pig on a spit.
Let's make this weird.
So you do have PTSD.
Yeah.
Well, of course.
Yeah, I would say, of course, I didn't want to, you know, diagnose you.
No, but I mean, I think it's just being honest.
So you have, you know, like, Piers Morgan or something, but your psychiatrist said that.
What are you doing to deal with that?
Talking to my shrink, talking about it with her really helps.
She's a very smart lady.
Talking to the people in my circle, such as Dave, LT, Kenny, TC, the people who have been with me from the beginning.
You have a lot of friends that got your back.
Yeah.
More than friends, they're mentors.
They taught me so much throughout this.
I've grown so much because of them.
They're just amazing.
Dave helped me so much, same with LT and Kenny and TC.
Come on, we just met.
Cool Dave.
You're not that helpful.
Me?
Cool Dave, not you Dave.
Less cool Dave.
So that's good, you have a strong support system.
Yes.
Okay.
That's good.
That's important.
It's very important.
It seems, yeah, if you have family and friends that have always been on your side and been there, it's gotta help kind of take away the darkness that was being given.
I know you said that it wasn't something that should be celebrated.
That is correct.
But you don't feel guilt for what you had to do?
No, no.
I knew I defended myself, and I just don't think it's something to be celebrated.
At the end of the day, two lives were lost, and I may have been attacked, but it's not something to celebrate.
I don't think it's something to celebrate, and I ask that because if you said that you did, this would be an intervention that you should not feel any guilt.
And I know sometimes there's misplaced guilt when there's a traumatic event.
Well, that's when somebody does the right thing.
Yeah.
I mean, really, I think for the most part.
Soldiers.
It's not something to be, I understand what you're saying, to be celebrated, but what I talked about on air is you were there trying to do the right thing.
That's why I never took a step back like, yeah, he shouldn't have been there.
No, I understand why you were there and actually commend you for being there because you were there For a long time, cleaning up and helping.
You weren't one of these people, and I'm saying this, look, and you're gonna have to take this praise for a second.
Let me give him this praise.
You weren't there taking and harming lives, like the people who attacked you.
They all, and this is relevant, you didn't know it at the time, but they all spent a lifetime harming other people.
You have not.
You were there to help, and I don't think it was wrong for you to be there, and I think it's important that you know, even though you don't think it's something to be celebrated, and I understand the sentiment, I certainly celebrate that that occurred rather than the alternative, because I know that if you hadn't defended yourself, which is what the left has excoriated you for, you'd be dead.
You'd be dead.
And that's not justice.
At all.
And we're really glad.
I just want you to know, for us, we're just really glad that you are not dead and you're not locked up.
It really does.
Like, I've never had a more vested interest.
I tell people, I'm not unbiased.
It was really, really... I mean, I've had conversations with my wife about how heavy it was on my heart.
I know you don't celebrate the loss of life, but I celebrate that you're still alive and you did what you had to do.
Sorry.
I know I get all emotional.
Call him a fat son of a bitch again.
It's fine.
Whatever you want to get out of this.
Has anyone told you that, though?
I know that you have a lot of people going, like, hey, we want you to appear on this show.
Early on, people were saying, get him on the show.
We reached out, and we never pushed it.
You don't owe anyone anything.
Do you know that?
Yeah.
Do you really know that?
Hey Kyle, it's not your fault.
It's not your fault, boy, it's not your fault.
No, you don't owe anyone anything and it's really easy to get sucked into this industry of conservatives asking more of you because they admire you.
Just, I hope you don't let that happen.
Well, I think the best thing you can do, I mean, it always sounds strange, but you know, the best revenge is living your best life.
And if you're going to college and you want to do something and spin this into the most positive thing you can, you can do something amazing with your life.
And I think it's good that you have the opportunity to do that because there's been so many people that have been in your position that don't have that option.
And there's been people, you know, obviously falsely incarcerated, white or black, any of that, you know?
And it just comes down to the fact that You yourself, because you wore quick enough.
You know, you get the second chance, I'm sure you look at life.
And I shouldn't call it a second chance that you did something wrong, but I just mean like you got through something that most people I don't think could handle.
And you should be proud of yourself for that.
And I just think that it's good you go to school, do what you can, and you know, just stay.
I'll have you as my first client, Dave.
I feel like it's helped me grow as a person.
I've learned so much, especially from Dave and LT.
They've taught me so much.
I don't think you can get me off.
Yeah, no.
Those Dilaudids don't come cheap.
No, I'm going to at least 15 years.
Do you feel stronger from it?
I feel like it's helped me grow as a person.
I've learned so much, especially from like Dave and LT.
They've taught me so much.
I'm the person I am today because of them.
Yeah.
What was it like for you to see people like, I know you already had a message for LeBron
James, but people like Batista and these celebrities?
That was a good message.
Yeah, it was a good message.
I like the message.
But these other celebrities who, even after you were acquitted, continuing to, I mean, really commit libel and slander a lot of them.
Batista said something?
Didn't he?
Or maybe he said something else.
I don't know if Batista did.
I know... Because I'm going to say, I love WWE and I was a big Batista fan.
Really?
You love WWE?
My entire life?
Well, I don't watch it anymore, but... Well, he said a lot of stupid things, so I could be mixing up stupid celebrities saying stupid things.
I'm pretty sure he did say something, more so about this is a state of affairs in the United States, and he turned it all into a racial thing, which is what's so odd about this.
How do you think... I think I know the answer, but I want to get your perspective.
How do you think this was turned, or why do you think this was turned completely falsely into a racial issue?
Well, people just want to push their own agenda on a case that has nothing to do with race.
This is a case about self-defense, not politics, not about race, not what you believe in.
It's about the right to defend yourself.
But why do you think that it became that narrative in the public eye?
They wanted to push their own agenda, and I think it was them trying to come after the guns.
Yeah.
What does it do, or how do you react when people use the term vigilante?
Look, I didn't know what a vigilante was August 25th, and I wasn't a vigilante, and I still don't even know what a vigilante is.
I'm not a vigilante.
It's an old guy with a mustache who goes out with a sock with rolled up quarters and hits guys in the subway.
It's a death wish.
Dave?
Yeah, no, that is the definition.
Listen, I've got some questions.
Yeah, it's Dave on a subway with a blackjack.
Hey, you punk!
I go out as Fat Man at night.
Well, you roll.
I hesitate to stop crying, and I usually just let it go.
Right, yeah.
Between cries, he puts his legs up like the Black Haden hook and yells, bangarang.
Somebody's robbing a 7-Eleven.
I'm like, I'm just here for the jerky.
Yes, exactly.
Is it slushy day?
I thought they were free.
Yeah, well they are sometimes.
One day a year.
One of my favorite days a year.
It really is free special day.
And then I realized I can afford, I can afford Slurpees on any given day.
Really, the amount of time you spend in line to save a dollar is not worth it.
You should just go every other day.
I'll tell a story later.
Remember that later in life, Kyle.
About free ice cream day at Ben & Jerry's when I was on a date.
It did not go well.
Are you dating?
Oh, no.
I am not dating.
I am very single.
My DMs are open.
Oh, jeez.
Look at that.
I was gonna say, did you get fan mail from women?
You had to.
Yeah, I got quite a few fan mail.
What was the weirdest one you got?
I had a mom trying to set me up with her daughter.
A mom trying to set you up with her daughter?
Yeah.
Was her daughter good looking?
I don't know.
I didn't do a check or anything.
Why not?
What's wrong with you?
What are you, asexual?
It's okay.
No, but, uh... Hey man, everybody's gay sometimes.
Only for you, Stephen.
It's Tuesdays.
What's today?
Uh, nah, you missed it by that much.
I know!
But you had to get some weird fan mail, right?
I mean, you had to.
Interesting, but all the support mail from everybody just meant so much.
Who was the most famous person that supported you, Trump?
Uh, I think so.
I'm not sure.
Did you get a few though?
Did you get like a few like messages or letters from people that were, you don't have to say their names or anything.
I think, um, I got a book from an author.
Gary Busey?
Uh, no.
Well, he sends those to everyone.
Which author?
Yeah.
Um, I'm trying to remember the name.
I have the book in my bag, uh, in my, uh, in my suitcase.
That's obviously not the most famous.
If you have to get, find the name, it's either, it's either a token or it's either a JK Rowling or it's not a star.
It's the Turner Diaries.
I don't know.
So probably Trump.
Yeah, Trump was probably the most famous.
Was it crazy meeting him?
Yeah, it was very interesting.
He just wanted to know about me and talk about me.
We didn't talk about politics or anything.
We just talked about who I am as a person and he asked questions and he talked with me and my mom.
Well, you don't seem like a political person.
I don't know politics.
I'll be honest, I'm not a political person.
But you watch this show every now and then.
This is this is more of like a comedy show like you get to make fun of Dave.
Yeah, he gets it.
Yeah Well, thank you Was that the first time that President Trump had was it the time that we saw when you and Mara Alago?
How do you reached out before that?
Trump reached out and wanted to meet us.
So we met we I'm not gonna turn down a meeting with the former president.
So I And you wouldn't turn down a meeting with the former Vice President?
No, I wouldn't turn down a meeting with President Biden at all.
If he reached out and I'd be happy to tell him my side of the story of what happened.
Anybody who wants to know what happened.
Well that would be an important and interesting conversation.
I mean until he nodded off 48 times and shit his pants.
Yes.
But I mean the beginning of it would probably be really good for the U.S.
Like the first minute and a half?
Easy.
Yeah.
And he came four hours late?
Yes.
Because he had to load him up like Mr. Burns?
Putin was riding around with him on his shoulders, chicken-fighting Kamala and Willie Brown.
Sorry, this is... I'm sorry, we do this thing.
Yeah, we're silly.
We like to have a laugh.
A good laugh.
So you are, you're open to dating.
I am very open to dating.
So maybe that's what you want for Christmas.
That's what I want for Christmas, yes.
A nice dame.
What are you looking for in a woman?
Yes.
Yes.
Tracks of land?
Tracks of land.
Yeah.
Now, what are you looking for in a woman?
You know, some person that just wants to, like, date me for who I am.
And what I'm looking for in a woman is...
I like a girl with a little bit of butt.
Okay.
Yeah, for sure.
Some waist, big tits.
Big boobs, big boobs.
Now, dude, you're a guy.
Let people get mad at that.
Yeah, let people get mad.
Every guy in the world's a hypocrite.
You like big butts, so, you know.
He cannot lie.
You're talking to a racial issue.
No other brother can deny.
Oh boy.
I'll give you a shovel.
Dig that hole deeper there, Kyle.
I was helping.
I was doing two life crew.
That's a good thing.
What was your first meal outside of jail when you got to eat something you wanted?
I had 50 chicken nuggets.
Did you really?
I ate about 38 of them.
So jail was a time warp where you exited a 9 year old?
Chicken nuggets?
What, were fish sticks not available?
Did you go get prime rib or something?
No, I wanted McDonald's chicken nuggets with sweet and sour sauce and Dave came through and got chicken nuggets and that's how I knew This guy's a good dude.
I turned out I was right.
He's been with me ever since.
He did miss the McFlurry, but that's okay.
Dave, I gotta say, it's forgivable.
I don't know if you have to call it okay.
Yeah, I wouldn't go that far.
Thank you so much for the chicken nuggets, Dave.
I owe you one.
How do you get 50?
Do they sell them in 50?
Yeah, you just have to buy a bunch of them.
Wait, so you have to buy two 20s and a 10?
I think so, yeah.
Oh, good luck getting that right in this pandemic, employer.
You could even, yeah, you can even buy three 20s.
Really?
Yeah.
Well, yeah, but he won't let you buy anything.
Did you buy 60 and give Dave 10?
Or did you buy 50 on the dot?
I don't think so.
He asked for one and you were like, no.
I was not sharing my chicken nuggets.
No reason, you didn't.
Oh, looks like you're going back to jail.
I don't know why I like to ask that, but there's always got to be something that makes you happy instantly, and I assume it was food, right?
Food, yes.
I love it.
Explain it.
Dave, I can tell you love food, too.
Dude, we know.
That's why I asked about the meal!
For crying out loud.
He's not the other prosecutor who looked like Mojo from Marvel for crying out loud.
He's saying I had a gut.
He didn't say I was a... Yeah, he didn't say that you were a house.
Yeah, he didn't say... Hey, Dave doesn't know I was going to lose both my feet in the next year.
When he was there, they had to have the prosecutor's desk stapled.
What was in his glass?
Insulin?
Yes.
It was just duck fat.
Could you see people take the stand when he was... like, did you have to look around him?
It must have crossed your mind, like, this guy, he's not going to have the energy to prosecute this long.
Yeah, you've got to be thinking there might be another lawyer.
What's up, Ben?
Yeah, you have the right to remain silent.
Let's talk about that for a little bit.
So what were you guys' thoughts when Binger violated my Fifth Amendment rights?
I want to hear from you guys on this.
I thought, what a dick.
I thought it was incredible, and so many people got mad at the judge, but I was very, very happy that he pointed out that you had every right to do that, and I think that that made you look a lot classier, just the fact that you were doing that anyway.
I think you let the system work, you were trying to let your lawyers do their job, you weren't doing a bunch of interviews, you weren't doing any, you were just, you were letting the system work.
And the fact that he was trying to demonize you for that, I found to be pathetic.
And I think it was so clear that he was trying to score political points when you took the stand.
In other words, you're waiting until you can take the stand to say it accurately, and then he's saying, yeah, but before... What were you about to say?
The funny thing is, as soon as... Everybody was in shock when I got called to the stand.
I don't know what you guys were thinking.
I was surprised.
I was going to ask you why you did that.
I wanted to tell my story because I have nothing to hide.
Yeah, because you know what?
It wasn't a murder trial.
It was a self-defense trial.
Right.
And people don't take the stand in a murder trial.
Did your lawyers advise against it at first?
No, no.
I told them I want to take the stand and they agreed with me.
And I was like, I want to tell my story.
But you were about to say something about, I was saying that it was clear he was trying to score
political points talking about you exercising your fifth when you took the stand. And you
were about to say something. So the funny thing is, right before, everybody was in shock in the room.
And my lawyer was like, we now call Kyle Reddenhaus to the stand. And I'm like, let's do this game day.
And then we get up there and the jury gets sent out and then after that you see ADA Binger just sprinting as fast as you can with like the flash to get that giant notepad he's been wanting to have.
Yeah.
Yeah.
And then he had me on the stand for several hours.
Like, I've never... Yeah.
That was long.
I was getting worn out by the end.
I'm sure you guys were.
That's a tactic they try and use.
They just wear you down.
I mean, fatigue makes cowards of all men.
That's... Well, it's why any time you're being questioned for anything, it's just, see how long you can go until you change your story.
And which shows when you never did, that you're telling the truth.
That's the thing, like, he kept asking me leading questions and repeating, he kept asking different questions in different ways, and I'm like, look, my story's the same.
I was just getting irritated towards the end, I don't know if you could tell.
I thought you were incredibly composed, honestly.
I thought, if anything, you were getting a little more mechanical, just because I could see that you sort of realized, okay, I see what he's doing here, he's reframing the same question.
Is that how you felt you saw the curveballs coming?
Yeah, I noticed he was asking me these questions in different ways trying to get me to answer differently, and I was just like, no.
I was frustrated a lot because he asked about my Call of Duty, he asked about Four Doors More Horrors, and then he asked about the fire, and I'm like, it was a fire.
So I was just getting irritated.
He's like, was it hot?
Yes.
No, it was cold.
Would you say it was more of a red flame at the tip or the center of the blue flame, like a torchlight?
You know, Stephen, that's a good question.
The fire, it was like... All over a car launch?
Orange color.
It was inside the Duramax.
There was some smoke.
It was going up.
Not to mention the dumpster fire.
They tried to push... And then there was a dumpster fire.
There were some fires.
It was a little bit brighter than that orange towards the coals.
Well, that's electric and we know that they wouldn't have been able to afford that.
So, my question is...
No one has been prosecuted as far as, like, actually, like, caged grocers for aiming a gun at you.
In other words, if you were justified in self-defense, right, people who committed these, I mean, they committed arson, people who committed serious, you know, battery assault, nothing?
The only person who has been charged with this, which I don't agree with, the two people.
I agree with Joshua Zeminski being charged.
I don't agree with Dominic being charged.
Those are the only two.
What was Dominic charged with?
He was charged with providing a firearm to a minor, which I'm not gonna, I don't want to jeopardize his case, so I don't want to talk about much of that.
Did you, um, at that moment though, because you had asked the question just even to go back to it, did you think there was a really good chance there was gonna be a mistrial?
I thought that, I thought that was the only outcome.
Yeah, I did too for a little bit and I was curious if that's what you were feeling in the room.
Did you like the judge?
Yeah, Judge Schrader is a nice guy, very old school, a very constitutional judge.
He was by the law and he's not a judge you want to get sentenced by what I hear from people, but he is a judge you want.
If you want a fair trial, he's the judge you want.
Now you're born and raised in Wisconsin.
Illinois, Wisconsin, yes.
Why don't you sound like Schroeder?
Why don't you sound like talking like that?
Illinois.
Yeah, but you're across the border.
I'm gonna stab this pencil in your fucking eye.
They got a little bit of that, but they don't have that one, you know.
No, I don't have much of a Midwest accent.
Do you find it funny when you're listening to Judges?
A little bit.
No, no.
Oh, we find it hilarious, but we're children.
I did fine.
It was hilarious.
Come on now.
Dave is a million righteous.
Well, I don't want to say giant, but he's a man baby.
I'm sort of a man.
I'm a boy with gray hair.
He's a maybe.
I'm like a Benjamin Button that got caught halfway.
I can't tell.
He's like an amoeba with a high tolerance.
Man may be stretching him for you, Dave.
Good lord!
He just came in hot.
He was like, I'm just gonna go all out.
He knows I'm friendly.
Yeah, I know.
Did you, when he was playing, is it Lee Greenwood who does the God Bless the USA song?
When you heard that play his phone, did you go, yes?
I didn't even realize it.
Really?
No.
God bless the USA.
How do you miss that?
I don't know.
I think I was just more focused on like doodling on my notepad.
The only thing more blatant would be if it started playing I'm Too Sexy for my shirt.
And then you would have seen me get stripped down in there.
I really wanted to do 20 different sketches of what that phone could have rang of.
Too sexy for my cloak.
Too sexy for this gavel.
Oh my gosh, I can't believe that that was my phone.
I thought I had it on quiet.
Oh dear.
Don't get brazen with me!
Did you laugh at that?
Oh, I don't know if you saw my face.
I was like...
Yeah, you must have.
My cheeks at the end of the trial were so ripped up from how I had to bite my cheeks and lips like the entire trial because there was things that were just happening.
So you were able to find levity in moments.
Oh yeah.
You were able to go like, okay, if I don't laugh, I'll cry.
Let me ask you this before we go, because we're going to take questions on Mug Club.
So I have two final questions for you.
Gage Grosskritt's on the Zoom call falling out of his chair.
All-time best part of the trial.
Yeah, was it?
All-time best.
Did you pee a little?
I pissed myself.
Well, what's funny about it is he was down for a while.
Well, because he was probably high.
Yeah, I mean, it was like a Charlie Chaplin sketch.
It was hilarious.
It didn't tip over.
It was like when Marv in Home Alone is outside the window, slips on the ice, whoop, he goes straight down.
Like, how do you even do that?
Oh, no, it was definitely like a director yelled action.
You seemed like you were laughing before that on the Zoom call.
Oh, I was like, I think I was laughing at something Mark was saying, and then I saw that, and then I was really laughing.
Were you worried that if you laughed too much it would be used against you?
No, no, I just, um, there was a thing, like, I had to show professionalism there.
Yeah.
I wouldn't say mission accomplished on that one.
So, I'd have to agree.
You don't have the best poker face.
You were clearly tickled pink.
Yep.
Everyone was laughing except Gage.
Yeah, well, I don't even think he knew where he was.
That's true.
He was looking around on the ground for his arm.
Yeah, he was looking to smoke some arm.
Stop, Dave.
You can hold it in.
He's been holding it in for so long.
He's going to get a stress ulcer.
It's me.
Don't blame him.
Send all your lawsuits to him.
Send them to me for the joke police.
I hope there is some kind of restitution here as far as the libel and slander from the media.
You don't have to talk about that, obviously.
No, but you deserve it.
You should never have to work another day in your life, but work because you want to.
Right now we're focusing on Linwood and John Pierce.
They're a bunch of liars.
I'm not going to say much about them.
Well, you just did.
They're just a bunch of liars.
I'm not going to say much about that piece of human shit.
I'll bite my tongue.
Well, it's proven liars.
Well, he was almost on this show and I said, no, I said, uh, I don't, there's something smells fishy, uh, Linwood.
And so we've never had him on the show.
You're going to be accused of being deep state now.
Really?
Yeah.
Am I?
Yeah.
Is that what Linwood does?
Yeah.
Yeah.
Oh, okay.
That's just, that's when you start, you realize that it's a grifter where if they just accuse anyone who doesn't like them of being deep state, is he saying you're deep state?
Apparently, he's accusing me of being handled, which is just false.
I make my own decisions.
By a bunch of people, just not him now.
I'm being accused of being handled, and I'm not handled.
I make my own decisions.
What do you have to say to the people that said you went there because of BLM and it was racially motivated?
This case has nothing to do with race.
It's like nothing.
Absolutely zero.
Yeah.
It just doesn't make any sense.
Didn't enter your mind?
Not at all.
And I just would like to clear the air with that because that was such the staple of the media.
Yeah.
That I think it's just important to just say that flat out that had nothing to do with what that was about.
You mentioned this before the show, and so I just wanted to bring it up.
You said that you were just so grateful for people who supported you from the beginning.
100%.
All the supporters, it just means so much.
And the people in my circle, I'll give a quick, long shout out.
I think that's the camera you're talking to there.
Yeah, sorry.
I'll give a quick long shout out to Dave, Dave, LT, Kenny, TC, John, John's husband, Mark, Corey, Natalie, and just everybody who's helped me through this.
Without them, we wouldn't be here today.
And thank you to all of you guys who've supported us and donated at FreeCalUSA.org.
It just means so much to us.
Thank you guys.
Yeah.
We have a lot of people to love you.
We'll be getting a chat here on Mug Club in a few minutes, but Yeah, we mourned in a lot of ways with these people.
We prayed for you.
We had team, you know, kind of prayer groups about it.
It was something that weighed heavy on our hearts for a while.
He asked me where we had the streamers and confetti from when he was not guilty.
I said, you should have seen what we had ready for if you lost.
We were all ready to go down to Kenosha.
And not, of course, to actually peacefully protest, but peacefully and very effectively.
Make our voices heard.
It was one where Gerald said it on the show.
We said, this is not something we're gonna sit by while a kid gets railroaded.
We were ready for it.
We were ready to leave, like, the next day.
Thank you guys for all the support.
I've noticed.
I've been a big fan of Mug Club for a while.
That's actually, you know what?
Was it the FBI or the police who went through your phone?
Because you gave it willingly.
The feds.
Okay, it was the feds.
So they would have seen in your history some of our shows.
Probably.
So we're not on a watch list anymore.
There you go.
I'll take the win where I can get it.
What's that sound?
Just a drone?
Yeah.
Steven?
Just an R2D2 in a little plane.
Okay.
Everyone who's watching, thank you so much right now.
We're on YouTube.
We're going to do some chat.
Take it from people on Mug Club, people who've been supporters.
And Kyle's going to answer them directly.
You can only answer what you want to.
You can say pass.
It's not like Jimmy Fallon.
I'm not going to break any eggs on your head or anything like that.
Really?
You didn't bring the eggs out?
I didn't bring the eggs out.
We were practicing before the show.
Yeah, I know.
Then we said we should probably do comedy.
So, Stephen, did this interview stress you?
I noticed you got a little gray right here.
Oh, jeez.
Well, okay.
So Dave's fat and I'm gray.
Yeah, it's called twins and titanium rib cage.
You know, it's nothing compared to your stress.
You have no idea what you've just done.
Yeah, you almost had to deal with it.
He's gonna go dye his hair now.
Yes.
It's nothing compared to him.
I mean, he was almost in the chair with Percy not wetting the sponge.
What?
You gonna dye it purple, Steven?
Yeah, I'm gonna dye it purple.
And get a nose ring.
And then I will follow you everywhere you go.
It's a white supremacy.
Cannot win.
And then I'll paint with my menstruation and get a job at BuzzFeed.
Alright, people on YouTube.
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This will be a good one.
Oh, God.
Really?
Well, you should.
Talk about that with your shrink.
For crying out loud.
Don't do that.
Jeez.
Do you have any idea the prescriptions he's going to give you?
And it's just like, what?
Oh, you didn't need Wellbutrin.
You just need to stop reading the comment section.