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Jan. 19, 2026 - Knowledge Fight
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#1110: January 7, 2026

#1110: January 7, 2026 dissects Alex Jones’ erratic claims—from framing Trump’s imperialism as necessary to prevent U.S. decline (despite $34T debt) to falsely linking a Minneapolis ICE shooting to Soros-backed "leftist provocation," ignoring contradictory footage. Jones pivots from accusing protesters of justifying violence to defending state actions without evidence, while Dan and Jordan expose his reliance on Twitter clips (e.g., Gunther Fehlinger’s non-NATO statements) and narrative manipulation. His hypocrisy—dismissing moral scrutiny yet weaponizing it—reveals a pattern of preemptive storytelling over truth, underscoring how conspiracy-driven rhetoric distorts reality to justify power. [Automatically generated summary]

Participants
Main
a
alex jones
infowars 23:19
d
dan friesen
48:22
j
jordan holmes
24:44
Appearances
g
gunther fehlinger
00:46
r
robert barnes
03:46
Clips
d
donald j trump
admin 00:02
p
pastor james david manning
00:02
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Speaker Time Text
Pay It Forward 00:05:10
alex jones
Dan and Jordan, I am sweating.
Knowledgeparty.com.
It's time to pray.
donald j trump
I have great respect for knowledge fight.
alex jones
Knowledge fight.
I'm sick of them posing as if they're the good guys.
unidentified
Shang, we are the bad guys.
alex jones
Knowledge fight.
unidentified
Dan and Jordan.
Knowledge fight.
alex jones
I need money.
Reddit.
Andy and Pansy.
Andy and Pandy.
Stop it.
Andy and Pansy.
Andy and Kansas.
unidentified
Andy.
alex jones
It's time to pray.
Andy in Kansas.
You're on the airplane for all of us.
unidentified
Hello, Alex.
I'm a fish-and-coloring huge fan.
alex jones
I love your room.
Knowledge fight.
unidentified
Knowledgefight.com.
alex jones
I love you.
dan friesen
Hey, everybody.
Welcome back to Knowledge Fight.
I'm Dan.
jordan holmes
I'm Jordan.
dan friesen
We're a couple dudes like to sit around, worship at the altar of Celine, and talk a little bit about Alex Jones.
jordan holmes
Oh, indeed, we are, Dean.
dan friesen
Jordan.
jordan holmes
Dean.
dan friesen
Jordan.
jordan holmes
Quick question for you.
dan friesen
What's up?
jordan holmes
What's your bright spot today, buddy?
dan friesen
Well, you know, it is still January.
So as is tradition, you must go first.
jordan holmes
Well, I have a bright, bright spot.
Nice.
Because if you recall, I went out for a nice little lunch with my childhood best friend a little while back.
dan friesen
Yeah, yeah, I remember that.
jordan holmes
Right.
And so yesterday, we went out again.
Took my wife, took the, we did the whole thing.
Him and his fiancé, me and my wife, we did the thing, which means that now we can escalate from childhood best friend to just adult regular friend.
dan friesen
That's fantastic.
unidentified
Yeah.
dan friesen
You know, I know when you all first got back in contact, you weren't sure, you know, like, who knows how this is going to be.
unidentified
I'd see this person in forever.
jordan holmes
It could be weird.
I could have been an asshole for longer than I suspected.
dan friesen
Sure.
jordan holmes
That would have caused resentment.
Turns out I was medium bad.
dan friesen
Medium asshole.
jordan holmes
Medium asshole.
The appropriate amount for me, I guess.
dan friesen
Well, this is wonderful news.
unidentified
Yeah.
jordan holmes
And then we went out to the Bone Temple, which makes this the most social week I've had for maybe the past, since maybe the pandemic.
dan friesen
Yeah.
jordan holmes
In all honesty.
dan friesen
Because there's two things.
jordan holmes
There's two things that I have gone outside for.
dan friesen
One of them involved a bone temple.
jordan holmes
And both of them involved friends.
dan friesen
Yeah.
This is what it's all about, man.
jordan holmes
I'm getting addicted to it.
dan friesen
Oh, no.
jordan holmes
Maybe next month I'll go out two or three times.
dan friesen
This is.
Your New Year's resolution was only that you were supposed to go out next New Year.
This is crazy.
jordan holmes
This is crazy.
dan friesen
Well, I'm happy for you.
And I'm excited to see what this you talking to people about.
jordan holmes
It's a new social exploration.
dan friesen
It's either going to completely change you or someone's going to murder you.
jordan holmes
That is entirely possible.
What is that?
Was that?
Yeah, is that Patch Adams?
dan friesen
Ah, shit.
What?
Someone's going to murder you?
jordan holmes
Someone's going to murder you?
dan friesen
I don't think so.
unidentified
Okay.
dan friesen
I haven't seen Patch Adams in forever.
Okay.
But he was silly.
jordan holmes
I think he gets murdered at the end of it.
dan friesen
I don't think that's true.
jordan holmes
I really don't think that's true.
It's either I'm thinking either of Patch Adams or Red Dragon.
unidentified
And I'm not sure which is which.
dan friesen
I think you might be thinking of Pay It Forward.
jordan holmes
Oh, does he get murdered?
dan friesen
That kid gets killed at the end of spoiler alert.
unidentified
Pay it forward.
Yes.
Oh, man.
dan friesen
I may be, I may be talking right out of my ass, but like, I really don't think Patch Adams gets murdered.
unidentified
I don't.
Listen, I'm not going to die on that hill.
dan friesen
I think he's a silly doctor, and it's a dark movie because his patients are all sick.
unidentified
Right.
dan friesen
I don't think he dies.
He might die, but I don't think that's what I'm doing.
jordan holmes
Well, we all die.
dan friesen
Yeah.
jordan holmes
Eventually.
dan friesen
Yeah.
jordan holmes
Sure.
unidentified
Whew.
dan friesen
Man, you bummed me out.
unidentified
Thinking about someone shanking Patch Adams.
Okay.
I don't know.
jordan holmes
I don't know if that's how that movie ends.
I hope I didn't rewrite that movie to end that way for some personal reason.
dan friesen
We may never know.
unidentified
It's possible.
dan friesen
Yeah.
jordan holmes
Oh, now we're looking it up.
Now we're looking it up because there's no way Dan can continue unless we find out for sure.
unidentified
All right.
Here we go.
This is extra vamping time for here.
dan friesen
Here's the last line in the Wikipedia plot synopsis of Patch Adams.
At graduation, Adams receives his doctor of medicine degree and bowing to the professors and audience reveals himself to be naked underneath his capacity.
unidentified
Yay!
jordan holmes
So he doesn't get murdered at the end.
No.
Okay.
dan friesen
It appears that he is nude.
jordan holmes
Okay.
Now, I feel like that is a very different ending from the one that I thought was.
dan friesen
Yeah.
jordan holmes
Maybe diametrically opposed.
unidentified
Yeah.
dan friesen
He's nude at his graduation ceremony and then when he comes off stage, sniper.
jordan holmes
Very different.
Yeah.
Yeah.
I wouldn't go back and revisit that.
unidentified
No.
jordan holmes
No.
dan friesen
That's just going to be disappointing.
jordan holmes
Yeah.
Yeah.
All right.
dan friesen
What?
jordan holmes
I mean, it's your time.
dan friesen
Yeah, but you're supposed to ask, what's your bright spot?
Bone Temple Talk 00:05:11
dan friesen
There you go.
jordan holmes
What do you mean, what's your bright spot?
dan friesen
So it is January.
jordan holmes
It is January.
dan friesen
And as is tradition, we have my Haribo Advent calendar.
unidentified
Indeed.
dan friesen
And it is time for a sting.
unidentified
All right.
dan friesen
Thank you so much to Ryan for that.
jordan holmes
That was great.
dan friesen
That was good.
jordan holmes
That was really fun.
dan friesen
You're going to be hearing a lot more of that as you get social.
unidentified
You go out to the industrial.
jordan holmes
I'm going to hear British dance music from the early thoughts.
dan friesen
It comes with being social.
unidentified
All right.
dan friesen
That's fair.
So today, the 19th, we've got Merry Christmas, Haribos, which I've had like six times so far.
We're all over this damn calendar.
jordan holmes
Well, I mean, it is a Christmas Advent calendar, and there are only so many gummies.
dan friesen
Yeah, I understand that.
But I know in advance, because I've already had this, that it's just basic ass gummy bears.
unidentified
Yeah.
dan friesen
But here we go.
I'm going to try them while you vamp.
jordan holmes
All right.
My vamping today.
I want to apologize.
One of our shout-outs that will be upcoming sent me an email almost a full month ago, and I was like, I'm on it.
And then it's now a month later, and I was not as on it as I was hoping.
So you will know who you are.
I won't reveal anything, but you will know who you are.
And it is my apology to you.
Okay.
dan friesen
Good vamp.
Thank you.
Not vamping about the Bone Temple, huh?
jordan holmes
Nah.
I mean, what is there to say about the Bone Temple other than it's fucking great?
dan friesen
Yeah, it was real good.
jordan holmes
It's fucking great.
dan friesen
You know, better than those gummies is the Bone Temple.
jordan holmes
Is the Bone Temple by a wide margin?
dan friesen
Woo!
I was real worried.
You know, we talked about it on the last episode.
Sure.
I was a little bit stressed out about it underwhelming, underperforming, ruining the taste of 28 years later.
Couldn't have been more wrong.
Yep.
So good.
jordan holmes
It couldn't have made you more excited to see more.
unidentified
Yeah.
jordan holmes
You want to see it again.
dan friesen
I've tried to start a little bit of Oscar buzz for best leading Bone Temple.
jordan holmes
Best Leading Bone Temple.
dan friesen
Motion Picture.
jordan holmes
How many ossuary movies do you think there are going to be in 2022?
dan friesen
Now?
jordan holmes
Yeah.
dan friesen
I think there's going to be a bunch.
Proof of concept.
Okay, okay.
jordan holmes
Hollywood's going to see Bone Temple and go, that's a moneymaker.
dan friesen
Yes.
There's going to be a Charnel House documentary.
It's going to be a super movie.
jordan holmes
All right.
I like it.
Great.
robert barnes
Okay.
dan friesen
Bones everywhere.
jordan holmes
I mean, if there was an upcoming Bone Temple fad in a lot of movies, I wouldn't be against it.
unidentified
No.
jordan holmes
It's better than a lot of fads we've seen in movies.
dan friesen
I'm on board.
jordan holmes
Yeah.
dan friesen
Let's all just bone temple it up.
jordan holmes
Also, I think we should have a retroactive bone temple.
We should start putting bone temples in movies that have already been made.
dan friesen
Patch Adams.
jordan holmes
Absolutely.
dan friesen
End of the bone temple.
jordan holmes
You got there.
dan friesen
He's nude at graduation.
He goes off stage.
unidentified
And then his skull is placed on top of the bone temple by his son.
dan friesen
It's perfect.
unidentified
Yeah, that's a really good movie.
dan friesen
So, Jordan, today we have an episode to go over.
Yes.
We're going to be talking about the 7th of January, 2026, also known as the day that ICE shot someone in the face.
Sure.
And we will discuss Alex's take on all of this.
unidentified
Probably great.
dan friesen
It's so good.
jordan holmes
Police State 4, great.
dan friesen
5.
Yay.
Forthcoming documentary about how the police state's cool, actually.
And we'll get to this here in a second.
But first, let's take a moment to say hello to some new wonks.
jordan holmes
That's a great idea.
dan friesen
So, first, hey, Dan, my policy wonk status was formally announced a few hundred episodes ago when you were super fucking depressed.
I've re-listened many times over at reduced speeds, and I have to know, while you were in your dark place, did you kind of laugh when you read my policy wonk name?
Sincerely yours, Dan's Jump Fart.
Thank you so much, you're an IOPOSYWonk.
alex jones
I'm a policy wonk.
jordan holmes
Thank you very much.
No.
dan friesen
Next, Maka, thank you for helping my dream of bubble-blowing cigarette a reality.
Can't wait to grow old with little old you.
Thank you so much, you're an IOPOSYWonk.
alex jones
I'm a policy wonk.
jordan holmes
Thank you very much.
dan friesen
Thank you.
And my husband is the biggest fan of your show.
Shout out to my sexy best friend, Aaron.
Thank you so much.
You're an Iowa Policy Wonk.
alex jones
I'm a policy wonk.
jordan holmes
Thank you very much.
dan friesen
I do.
And we have Technocrat in the mix, Jordan.
So thank you so much to Mark Moncrief.
Thank you for being the best dad I could ever ask for.
Listening to these guys on long drives has become a memory I will treasure for the rest of my life.
Love you lots.
Thank you so much.
You're an Iow Technocrat.
alex jones
I'm a policy wonk.
unidentified
Four stars.
alex jones
Go home to your mother telling you brilliant.
pastor james david manning
Someone sodomite sent me a bucket of poop.
alex jones
Daddy Shark.
Bomb, Jarjar Binks has a Caribbean black accent.
unidentified
He's a loser, little, little kitty baby.
alex jones
I don't want to hate black people.
I renounce Jesus Christ.
dan friesen
Thank you so much.
jordan holmes
Yes, thank you very much.
dan friesen
Jump fart did not happen.
It's fake news.
Alex's Deep Fake Overthrow 00:09:22
dan friesen
Anybody who is telling you, if you have like audio of me talking about it in the past, let's say it's a deep fake.
jordan holmes
That's it.
dan friesen
It did not happen.
jordan holmes
I like that.
I like the new world we can live in where it's like, ah, that just didn't happen, buddy.
dan friesen
It's a deep fake.
Deep fake.
So we start off the show here, and Alex is now in a place where, like, hey, we got away with it.
We fucking overthrew Venezuela and nothing happened.
jordan holmes
It is better to ask forgiveness than permission.
I believe that's maybe true.
dan friesen
Trump has paid.
No consequence for it.
There's been no political blowback.
jordan holmes
None.
dan friesen
Nothing has happened.
And so now Alex is like, we've just got a fucking empire that's right.
jordan holmes
Go for it.
alex jones
The old globalist New World Order system fell apart a long time ago.
And people just figured that out.
So there is the EU, there is Russia.
There is China.
There is the United States.
And the United States still has more power projection than all of those groups together.
But because of internal issues in the United States and because of our debt, the United States, at many levels, is in a great position, but also in a very bad position.
So, so, so here's what's going on.
You notice everything's accelerating faster and faster.
jordan holmes
Slow down.
alex jones
The EU and communist China are in greater debt than even the United States.
Their demographics are bad as well, even worse than ours.
They need to expand territory.
They need to put more money on their ballot sheets or they will sink.
It's the same thing with the United States.
So you can debate whether the imperial activities of Trump and Manifest Destiny 2.0 are right or wrong from a moral perspective.
unidentified
Can you debate that?
alex jones
But there's no doubt that the reason Trump's doing what he's doing is that if he doesn't do this, the United States will not come out on top in this power reshuffle.
jordan holmes
I can debate that.
alex jones
So everybody is desperate.
Europe's plan is to continue war with Russia.
They believe take Russian territory and add that to their balance sheet.
That's their official insane plan.
China thinks they're going to project power all over the world and maintain economic control and somehow stay on top that way.
You've got the British Empire players that are trying to play all the different sides against each other.
It is just unbelievable.
dan friesen
So this seems totally out of step with the entire storyline of Alex's career and also notably out of step with how he's been trying to sell Trump's overthrowing of Venezuela so far.
alex jones
Yeah.
dan friesen
That was supposed to have been based on the Monroe Doctrine.
But now we've moved on to Manifest Destiny 2.0.
jordan holmes
That's the scariest collection of words I think you could possibly hear.
dan friesen
And it sounds like somebody who just vaguely remembers Junior High.
robert barnes
Yep.
dan friesen
You can't have been listening to Infowars from before the Trump era and think that what Alex is saying isn't insane.
There's no way he would have supported an American president recolonizing the world, even if it was Ron Paul.
Like, that's no, this is fucking stupid.
jordan holmes
Especially if your argument is to add to your balance sheet because there's too much debt.
That's crazy.
robert barnes
Right.
jordan holmes
Okay.
See, here's the thing: you're supposed to do too much imaginary money, so let's take over a country.
dan friesen
Right.
He's supposed to be against like qualitative easing.
unidentified
Yep.
dan friesen
Quantitative easing.
Excuse me.
Like, not look.
Oh, the answer is take over countries.
jordan holmes
Yeah, yeah, yeah.
No, no, no.
Okay, you're right.
dan friesen
Steal resources.
jordan holmes
We do owe China a trillion dollars.
So how about we steal everything from Venezuela and then give it to China?
Wait.
dan friesen
Wait, no, we're not going to go to the bottom of the street.
jordan holmes
We're going to keep it and then just continue to have more debt with China because it's all pretend.
It's all pretend.
dan friesen
Until like all the world has been taken over by the United States, Russia, and China, and then there's a big fucking war between the three of them.
jordan holmes
No, like in one, like in a book.
dan friesen
Yeah.
I think that Alex is real dumb.
unidentified
Yeah.
dan friesen
And I think that what he's trying to put forth is dumb and really scary from a conceptual level, but degrading from an InfoWars perspective.
unidentified
Yeah.
dan friesen
If someone had been listening to the show for a long time, hearing him say, like, the globalist order has been destroyed long ago, but people are just realizing it now.
What the fuck were you crying about six months ago then?
Like, what are you doing?
What about the globalist proboscis?
What about all this bullshit?
unidentified
Sure.
dan friesen
Have you been lying about that the whole time then?
jordan holmes
Well, maybe.
dan friesen
Yeah.
jordan holmes
Maybe instead of worshiping your Christian God, I am a fan of the Prince of Lies.
Turns out.
unidentified
Old Nick.
jordan holmes
Old Scratch.
unidentified
Yep.
Yep.
dan friesen
So Alex is like, we got to do this shit.
We got to fucking take people's stuff.
unidentified
Or else that's going to be bad.
jordan holmes
It is like you get a taste and then you just got to have more.
dan friesen
Yeah, man.
alex jones
The United States needs the 18 trillion of oil and trillion of gold or more on the balance sheet so the whole world sees us winning and that we're not in the same debt as China and the EU.
And then the way the world works is they then say, oh, we're winning.
Then they all rush to us to invest with us.
And then we come out on top, and then we don't go into a total, prolonged depression, and you hear Social Security and the rest of it.
People would say, well, that's empire, and that's wrong.
And okay, fine.
Then just be ready for what's going to happen.
Now, the empire building we've been doing for 40 years, really since World War II, 75, 80 years, but intensely for the globals for 40 years, has been at our expense and in our name and our treasure, demonizing us worldwide against our own interest.
With Trump, you're getting strongman empire that is 100% for the general public because he understands you got to stabilize the base for his own wealth.
dan friesen
He's a hospitality guy.
jordan holmes
He's a hospitality, guys.
dan friesen
He's a hospitality.
jordan holmes
Okay, let me pitch you on Ocean's 14.
All right.
That might already exist.
In order to get a trillion dollars worth of gold, Danny Ocean has to become president.
dan friesen
This is kind of just national treasure.
jordan holmes
But Nicholas Cage never became president.
dan friesen
He had to.
Ooh, wait.
Was that the third one that I wrote?
jordan holmes
That I think was the third one that you wrote.
dan friesen
He had to become president to be buried in Arlington Cemetery.
jordan holmes
Did you add Cannon?
unidentified
Yeah, I did.
jordan holmes
No, wait.
dan friesen
Doesn't he have to get to the presidential cemetery in the second one?
jordan holmes
Yeah, but he doesn't.
dan friesen
He doesn't become president.
jordan holmes
He doesn't.
We're talking about somebody who has to steal the office of president.
How does he do it?
He has fucking, who is it?
Who's the grease man?
The grease man is essentially Roger Stone, right?
We've got that going on.
Then we've got the younger fucking brother of Ben Affleck and then the son of James Kahn.
dan friesen
Alex is the acrobat.
jordan holmes
Yeah.
I don't know what that, I don't know.
They're like Steve Bannon.
The two of them together are basically Steve Bannon.
Then we got to get a 14th guy.
Let's call it Julia Roberts again.
dan friesen
Okay.
jordan holmes
But actually Julia Roberts this time.
Instead of the character playing Julia Roberts, played by Julia Roberts being Julia Roberts, it's actually Julia Roberts playing Julia Roberts.
dan friesen
Who's Brad Pitt?
jordan holmes
Who is Brad Pitt?
Like, as an existential question, he's been around for a long time.
dan friesen
Mel Gibson?
We'll get Mel Gibson in there?
It seems like you'd do it.
jordan holmes
I mean, it seems like he would become president in both fictional and maybe real terms.
dan friesen
Okay, I got distracted by my old national treasure ideas.
unidentified
Yeah.
dan friesen
And I forgot what they have to do.
unidentified
They have to become president of the trillion dollars of gold from Venezuela.
dan friesen
Okay.
jordan holmes
Because apparently now we're cool with just saying, we're going to need a trillion dollars of gold from Venezuela.
unidentified
Yeah.
jordan holmes
That's just what we say now.
dan friesen
Grab a grab a grab.
jordan holmes
Hey, we need that to go.
We'll take $17 trillion of oil from you and a trillion dollars of gold.
unidentified
Yeah.
dan friesen
And it's unfortunate that you're in our hemisphere because that's ours then.
jordan holmes
Yeah.
And again, you can't eat gold.
There's no value it provides.
All purely imaginary.
dan friesen
Sure.
Well, you can.
jordan holmes
Well, you can.
dan friesen
Put it in gold schlager.
jordan holmes
That's true.
That's true.
You can eat gold.
Okay, so let them eat gold.
dan friesen
Yeah.
So look, man, I think that you could probably argue that there was a world order.
jordan holmes
Sure.
dan friesen
And Trump may be creating a new one.
jordan holmes
That's possible.
dan friesen
So I think we're going to have to start talking about how there's a new world order.
jordan holmes
Oh, yeah.
Tripolar World Order 00:08:34
alex jones
People look at Trump and this military expansionism and they say, oh, my God, it's Neocons 2.0.
I'm not defending even what he's doing.
It's academic.
We should have a discussion about it.
But you should know the basic pieces to it.
This is a whole new ballgame.
The old New World Order, globalist plan is done.
jordan holmes
Old New World Order.
alex jones
I told you a decade ago it was already done.
And it's officially done and they admit it's done.
Tell them it's a mad scramble to form the future global system.
jordan holmes
The new new world.
alex jones
Centralized new world order, globalist, transhumanist, anti-human system.
The natural order would be a tripolar world.
And the negotiations between that tripolar system and its affiliates.
jordan holmes
Cool.
alex jones
Europe doesn't have a place at that tripolar.
So they're trying to threaten Russia, holding a gun to everybody's head with war to keep themselves central players.
And to hold together the British Empire, Bilderberg, Western Europe model, and use that to control U.S. foreign policy to be the backstop for their plan.
That's not working.
dan friesen
Okay.
So, yeah, there's a natural order.
jordan holmes
Yeah.
dan friesen
Which is a new world order.
unidentified
Yeah.
dan friesen
Which is in juxtaposition with the old New World Order.
Right.
Which then was a response to the old world order.
alex jones
Right.
dan friesen
Or something.
jordan holmes
Yeah.
dan friesen
And the natural way that things exist are there's Russia, China, and the United States.
Yes.
jordan holmes
And no one lives between Cairo and Joburg.
dan friesen
No.
jordan holmes
Zero people live there.
dan friesen
Affiliates.
jordan holmes
Fuck me.
What even is that?
That's cruel.
dan friesen
Yeah.
jordan holmes
Fuck you.
We're going from like, ah, Rod Paul to like, hey, listen, there's three countries and there are affiliates that are the world.
dan friesen
Right.
alex jones
Yeah.
dan friesen
It's three countries and their colonies.
jordan holmes
Yeah.
dan friesen
And like, we talked years and years ago about how like he just needs to get right with the fact that he just wants colonialism back and that's kind of where we are.
jordan holmes
Here we are.
dan friesen
Yeah.
jordan holmes
Yep.
dan friesen
He just believes that certain countries have their spheres, their superpowers, and they should fight over affiliates where they can pillage and plunder all the resources and fuck the people who are there.
unidentified
What a weird thing to be cool with.
dan friesen
Yeah, especially for him.
That's the issue, too.
That's, I mean, obviously it's not the main issue.
The main issue is this is a horrible worldview.
Sure.
But off to the side of that, just a little bit is, hey, buddy, do you remember who you are?
You don't like it's not like you just wake up and everyone has forgotten continuity.
Just because his show is allowed to exist without side, without any like context, doesn't mean that the rest of the world does.
It's fucking insane.
jordan holmes
I mean, it's hard to argue anything other than if there is a tripolar world and its affiliates, right?
Then those three countries together, were they to make decisions for the world, would indeed have a one world government.
dan friesen
Yes.
jordan holmes
Yeah.
dan friesen
And it would eventually become one.
jordan holmes
It would have to be a one.
dan friesen
More explicitly.
jordan holmes
It would have to be a one world government.
dan friesen
And for now, there is no reason why the rest of the countries who aren't considered part of this to not think of those three as real valid targets.
I think that anybody who doesn't want to just be an affiliate would be right to overthrow the United States.
jordan holmes
Now would be a good time to start causing some problems.
dan friesen
Yeah, it seems like Alex's worldview implies that.
jordan holmes
If you would like a more than tripolar world.
This is an infomercial at two in the book.
If you want a more than tripolar world.
Do you feel like an affiliate for just the price of a cup of coffee a day?
You can overthrow a government.
dan friesen
Nonsense.
Anyway, we got to get Greenland.
That's coming.
That's coming next.
jordan holmes
Sure, fine.
alex jones
The USSC is a Russian oil tanker that was taking oil out of Venezuela.
That's a major provocation with Russia.
But is Trump openly flexing?
Even bigger, you have Denmark saying, quote, we will shoot first and ask questions later over Greenland.
Denmark is saying that the government of Greenland, which it claimed more than 40 years ago, is autonomous from the royal family of Denmark.
Now they're saying, read the fine print, you're actually still a vassal of Denmark.
unidentified
Gotcha.
alex jones
And the royal families just said they weren't in charge anymore in Europe and the UK.
No, they are.
Canada is still under the royal family's control.
The governor general can dissolve parliament.
They don't like the votes in Canada.
Same thing in Australia.
You think the British Empire doesn't exist anymore because it went into stealth mode.
And so Marco Rubio is going over there, and Greenland's like, absolutely.
We'll take tens of millions of investment.
We'll become a U.S. protectorate.
It's key to the resources in the Arctic.
China moving in, Russia moving in with all their icebreakers, all of it.
It's critical for refueling.
It's the move we saw with the U.S. expanding during Manifest Destiny in its first 175 years or so and buying Alaska from the Russians and the Spanish-American War in 1898.
So all that went on before the neocons showed up, before Trotsky fled Russia when Stalin was trying to kill him and came over here and set up the neocons and national review and took over.
That's them.
That old system's bye-bye.
And that doesn't say I endorse this.
I'm simply saying Trump is obsessed with the 18th and 19th century.
He follows it.
His planners are.
And they are trying to reboot the country with the Teddy Roosevelt model.
Because bigger than the Monroe, it was President Roosevelt, Teddy, not Franklin, who really implemented the Monroe Doctrine.
dan friesen
Alex just sounds stupid.
jordan holmes
Yeah.
He sounds real dumb.
dan friesen
Yeah.
jordan holmes
This sounds dumb.
dan friesen
It's not even like he doesn't know things.
It's just like conceptually, this is dumb.
Yeah.
I think that, great.
Go get Greenland.
jordan holmes
This has such a weird flavor.
dan friesen
You're not going to be happy.
jordan holmes
Of like giving a book report on a book you've never even seen the cover of.
Like just the idea of saying, Trump is obsessed with the 18th and 19th centuries.
alex jones
What?
jordan holmes
What the fuck are you talking about?
dan friesen
His planners.
unidentified
Oh, Dave, what the fuck are you talking about?
dan friesen
I thought he's not supposed to have plans.
jordan holmes
You were supposed to tell us about fucking where the red fern grows, and instead you're telling me that Trump is obsessed with the 18th and 19th century.
dan friesen
Bully.
jordan holmes
Jesus Christ.
dan friesen
Yeah, he loves Teddy Roosevelt.
jordan holmes
He loves Teddy Roosevelt.
Fine.
Fine.
dan friesen
Yeah, I think that there's some stuff he's not taking into account.
Maybe.
I think that this is a little bit insular.
I think this is a little bit dumb.
It's just not taking into account a hundred different variables that exist in the world, have existed over history.
It's oversimplifying to a level that's...
jordan holmes
They didn't exist in the 18th and 19th century.
unidentified
Some of them did.
dan friesen
Some of them did.
unidentified
This is...
dan friesen
It's just embarrassingly oversimplified to the point where anybody who had actually, you know, maybe studied or maybe who has a history background, you'd hear this and you'd be like, what the fuck are you talking about?
You sound like a kid who didn't do his homework.
jordan holmes
Even with a cursory, like skimming over a couple of history textbooks, you would still not get here.
dan friesen
Yeah.
And the thing that I want to point out is that I don't think that Alex is that stupid.
jordan holmes
I don't know if you can be that stupid.
dan friesen
No, I don't think that he is.
This is just the only way to not say what he really wants, which is a white supremacist imperial dictatorship run by Trump.
Anti-Communist Fears 00:11:16
dan friesen
And he wants that.
jordan holmes
Yeah.
I remember how I was talking about how great Rome was.
Turns out, I still think Rome was great.
dan friesen
Yeah.
jordan holmes
And I would like to be one.
dan friesen
Yeah.
jordan holmes
With a Caesar.
Let me know if it goes wrong.
dan friesen
It's a good idea.
Good idea.
So the UN and the EU may be not thrilled with some of Trump's actions.
unidentified
What?
jordan holmes
Why?
dan friesen
Well, I mean, you know, overthrew Venezuela talking about taking Venezuela wasn't in the United Nations.
Yeah, but Denmark owns Greenland, and they are a NATO country.
unidentified
Sure.
dan friesen
And that's a little dicey.
So anyway.
alex jones
Then we have the EU and NATO saying, the chairman of the Austrian Committee for NATO enlargement.
If you take it, Greenland, we will take every single U.S. base from Evano to Ramstein, from Romania to all their military bases.
We will be, they will be confiscated, and you will lose it if you go extreme.
We go extreme.
That's great.
Let's get out of NATO.
Let's let Europe defend itself.
So let's stop starting fights with Russia.
Let's call their bluff.
They got the other EU heads saying it.
They're going to like a commission.
But the point is, behind the scenes, I can tell you, and I said this before it hit the news yesterday, that Russia and China actually like this.
jordan holmes
What?
alex jones
They understand that almost everyone.
jordan holmes
How could you imagine that?
alex jones
What?
We let Brussels and the UN and NATO dictate to everybody.
No, Russia controls its sphere.
China has its fear.
The United States has its fear.
dan friesen
Yeah, what a shocking bit of news that Alex has somehow figured out through back channels that Russia and China are thrilled with this discord among the Western countries.
jordan holmes
Can't imagine.
dan friesen
It's pretty hard to listen to Alex and not feel like he's trying to create the conditions for a new world war.
Yeah.
There's just no way around this is where this leads.
jordan holmes
I mean, we're literally going World War I, too.
We're not even doing a good one.
We're going with just like, hey, we've got a petty squabble between people who know each other.
Anyways, let's kill tens of millions of people.
dan friesen
Yeah, or I guess maybe like a Cold War that is fought through proxies and affiliates.
jordan holmes
Which was great for so many affiliates over the time.
dan friesen
And Alex definitely didn't have any criticism of that proxy war kind of stuff.
jordan holmes
And if you never forget, then you definitely don't think that maybe those proxy wars had something to do with 9-11.
Yeah.
dan friesen
Alex also just needs to do more work than just skim tweets when he's talking about stuff like world wars and his desire to create a new world order.
That guy that he's talking about at the beginning of the clip is a guy named Gunther Helinger-Jan.
And his bio on Twitter says that he's the quote chairman, Austrian Committee for NATO Enlargement, Balkans Plus.
He runs an advocacy group that's in favor of NATO enlargement, but he has no formal connection to NATO and he doesn't speak for them.
Alex is reporting this guy's comments on Twitter as if they were the position of NATO.
And he's doing that because he's lazy, sloppy, and doesn't give a shit about this.
He's saying that NATO is saying they're going to take away all bases and everything based on a fucking guy on Twitter.
Yeah.
jordan holmes
We need to do.
So I know it's going to be tough, and I don't know how it gets pulled off, but there needs to be a nationwide, probably worldwide, let's just face it, like a social media recall.
You know, like we fucked up.
We know we fucked up, but we still got to have it.
So we're going to take a couple weeks off, retool things, and then bring it back in a better way.
Because the way it's going now, social media?
unidentified
Yeah.
dan friesen
We can't be doing that.
unidentified
No.
robert barnes
No.
jordan holmes
This Twitter shit.
dan friesen
It's unsustainable.
jordan holmes
You got to get this shit out of here.
dan friesen
Sure.
And even beyond that, Facebook, too, all of it.
unidentified
Absolutely.
Yeah.
robert barnes
Yeah.
dan friesen
I think when a product is defective in a meaningful way, you're able, like if a toaster causes fires, people are able to say, hey, this is not safe for consumers.
unidentified
Totally.
dan friesen
You got to fix that coil or something.
Absolutely.
Yeah, social media, we got to do that.
jordan holmes
If your car literally drove you insane, you'd go, we should not do this car.
We should get a different car.
This is a Stephen King novel.
This is a Stephen King novel.
This thing that I bought is driving me insane.
Yeah.
dan friesen
Wow.
alex jones
Yeah.
dan friesen
When you put it that way.
jordan holmes
It does feel crazy, doesn't it?
dan friesen
It does.
So, Alex, I know from listening to his show for many years, is a big fan of the Constitution.
He loves checks and balances.
Loves it.
Can't get enough of the idea that a unitary executive power unchecked by other branches of government is dangerous.
jordan holmes
Absolutely terrible idea.
dan friesen
So now, here we are.
alex jones
These are the few areas Trump can get something done because the Justice Department's so corrupt, he can't really act as much as he wants to domestically, but he can militarily.
DHS is a newer agency.
He's got better people in there.
2,000 hit Minneapolis-St. Paul alone.
Reportedly, 500 arrests just last day.
I mean, the left's going crazy right now.
So anywhere Trump can get his agenda through, he's doing it with flying colors.
Anywhere he can't, he runs into a brick wall.
dan friesen
Yeah.
Yeah.
Wow.
He shouldn't have to run into those brick walls of the few vestiges of checks and balances existing.
And get his shit done in places where he can act like a dictator.
jordan holmes
Man, I remember growing up and hearing so much bullshit from like Rush Limbaugh and Sean Hannity about how what they want is a government that couldn't do anything.
That should that's the government.
dan friesen
The government that governs least is the government that governs best.
jordan holmes
Absolutely.
Bullshit like that.
Just like, no, you want them in gridlock because if they work, shit goes terrible.
Yeah, yeah.
Now here we are.
Now here we are.
What you want is a kleptocratic and corrupt billionaire to be the sole power in your world.
dan friesen
And look, it sucks that he can only exert his will through the military.
And that's kind of why he's got to do it that way.
jordan holmes
It does make sense.
It does make sense.
Yeah.
dan friesen
It's nuts.
jordan holmes
Got to give it to him.
dan friesen
So anyway, they're only acting like this.
And really, the world has only come to this point because whites are so under attack.
jordan holmes
That doesn't sound true, but I'll believe you.
dan friesen
Yeah, it's not true, but it is how Alex feels.
alex jones
And that's the communist model.
Crash the economic system, crash the capitalist system with corruption and overload, then offer communism and redistribution of wealth and seizing the means of production and seizing private property.
And they've already made it racial.
Monday.
jordan holmes
You mean like a trillion dollars of gold?
alex jones
Says we're going to take white people's homes.
That's clips.
And in the UK, last year they said white men get three times the sentence of anyone else.
And it's official and they're doing it.
And they all.
jordan holmes
Official.
alex jones
There's too many brown people in prison.
We're going to release them no matter what and have quotas for white people.
jordan holmes
Sounds true.
alex jones
And they put white people in for praying for three years.
And you rape a 10-year-old girl, no time.
jordan holmes
Obvious.
alex jones
I have them in parliament.
I have the laws.
It's on screen right now.
You cannot make this up.
And the leftist globalist control systems are the same from Australia to Germany to the UK to the U.S. Anytime they need to, any charity they're carrying out, they just say oh it's for the brown people.
Then they can activate the leadership of the brown people who are NGO globalist, who communist, to burn everything down anytime we got align.
And then we're the white supremacist.
Figure this out yet?
dan friesen
You figure it out?
jordan holmes
Absolutely not.
dan friesen
I figured it out.
unidentified
Yeah.
dan friesen
I figured Alex out.
jordan holmes
Yeah, that is figure outable.
dan friesen
So to be clear, what Alex is saying here is just classic white supremacist talking points.
In its early stages, white supremacists and Nazis had very clear and open affinity for anti-communist extremists for some fairly obvious reasons.
Communists and Nazis have historically been at odds with each other, so that alliance makes sense.
But the connection for white supremacists isn't as direct.
Anti-communist propaganda has historically presented every attempt by the oppressed and often non-white people to escape their oppressors as being a plot the communists are using to disrupt the natural order of things.
Communist parties and organizations are often on the side of groups that opposed systems like South African apartheid.
So it was easy for anti-communist propagandists to conflate the two and create the impression that no one would be complaining about apartheid if it weren't for those pesky communists making black South Africans feel like they should attack the white people.
Over time, this connection became a central pillar of the anti-communist worldview and a way for people on the extreme right wing to express white supremacist views without feeling like they were being super racist.
They could pretend that they would be in favor of civil rights, but they couldn't possibly endorse them in the 60s because all of that was just communist agitation.
If only there were some call for equal rights that wasn't communist agitation, they would totally get behind it.
jordan holmes
But it's impossible.
dan friesen
Right.
jordan holmes
There's just none.
dan friesen
Right.
And this system has worked out perfectly to the point where we are now.
And that is what Alex is expressing.
jordan holmes
I mean, it's one of the great mergers.
If there was, there's, I remember reading something from, oh, no.
Yeah.
There's this business podcast about people.
And man, made me want to start capitalism fires.
But, anyways, they were their shows about successful mergers and shit like that.
This one is the most successful one.
unidentified
Yeah.
jordan holmes
You know, like the two of them could not have gotten on better and then continued to light fires more.
dan friesen
It serves their own interests, each interest perfectly to the point where you now start to wonder if they are even different.
jordan holmes
Is there any separation between the two?
I can't think so.
dan friesen
Mamdani didn't say that he was going to seize white people's property, and all that other stuff Alex is saying is just bullshit.
His tenant director, Sia Weaver, posted a tweet in 2019 that said, quote, private property, including and kind of especially homeownership, is a weapon of white supremacy masquerading as wealth-building public policy.
Sure.
Alex doesn't know who Weaver is, and he has no idea what she actually tweeted.
He's just responding to people getting all worked up about libs of TikTok posting about her tweet.
jordan holmes
Right.
dan friesen
And trying to make the appearance that Mamdani is going to steal white people's property.
jordan holmes
Yeah.
Yeah.
It's hard.
It's hard whenever people have a competent theory behind what they're saying because that's easy to exploit.
unidentified
Yeah.
jordan holmes
You know.
dan friesen
That tweet is totally fair and it makes a fine point, but it is very easy for people to exploit.
unidentified
Yeah, yeah, yeah.
jordan holmes
I mean, you're not going to be able to get a clear explanation from somebody if all you hear from them is them screaming like, red lightning is bad.
But it's very similar in content to what she was expressing.
dan friesen
Yeah.
jordan holmes
You know, but one of those is going to get you on libs of TikTok.
dan friesen
Private property and home ownership are not in and of themselves white supremacist or a function of white supremacy necessarily.
Battle of Five Armies 00:05:47
dan friesen
Right.
But they are tools that have been used in a way to reinforce white supremacist policies and leanings within organizations.
unidentified
Yeah.
dan friesen
So, like, it makes sense.
It's not that inflammatory.
jordan holmes
Yeah.
dan friesen
So anyway, Alex seems to be struggling with the reality that he has to move on from the globalists now because it's kind of, he said it's over.
There's a new new world order.
jordan holmes
There is a new new world order.
dan friesen
And it's good.
alex jones
I guess.
dan friesen
And so he tries to explain it to the audience in ways that they can possibly understand.
unidentified
Nice.
dan friesen
Like The Hobbit.
jordan holmes
Good.
unidentified
Movies.
No.
alex jones
He's out of Barlow Brain.
The old globalist system has fallen.
And now there is a power vacuum with the major powers of the world trying to flood in to grab all the different resources and different things to establish the new political landscape.
dan friesen
Order.
alex jones
And I would use the analogy of The Hobbit, where at the end of the book, they've killed Smog.
He's got the biggest treasure trove in the world that he'd stolen from the dwarves.
And so the five different races of Middle-earth care about it, and they all go rushing towards the Lonely Mountain to try to get control of the giant treasure horde.
And that's where we are right now.
And so China's running around grabbing stuff from the Philippines and Vietnam and moving into Africa and Latin America and trying to get the Panama Canal.
And Russia just wants to secure its borders and not be attacked by Europe that openly says their business model is to take over Russia, which is totally insane.
And quote, break it in five pieces.
So we're going back to what was always done before.
And under the globalists, they were doing it corporately going around taking over the world and proliferating weapons.
So we are now entering the battle of five armies.
But instead of five armies, it's the Chikoms, the Russians.
You've got the America first Trump people.
You've got the British Empire playing both sides.
The U.S. off against each other.
unidentified
Sure.
alex jones
And you've got Islam.
jordan holmes
Just Islam.
Just Islam.
alex jones
Christians standing up for what's right and getting politically involved in praying.
jordan holmes
What did you consider those?
alex jones
So I guess there is the Battle of Five Armies.
And that's where we're at.
dan friesen
That's where we're at.
It's interesting that the America first Trump people are a separate group in Alex's mind from the Christians who are doing the right thing and praying.
jordan holmes
Yep, it is very strange.
dan friesen
So The Hobbit, the Battle of the Five Armies isn't really that important, but it was expanded into its own movie for the Peter Jackson trilogy.
So this track's for Alex.
jordan holmes
Oh, that makes sense.
I was going to say, because it was like, that's just a conversation about pride and greed and being stupid.
dan friesen
Yeah.
And the point at the end of The Hobbit is that Bilbo, the main character, turns down his share of the treasure and goes back to the Shire.
Because he doesn't need or want riches, he only takes a little and ironically ends up with the ring.
jordan holmes
Of course.
dan friesen
It's not that, like, you wouldn't think of the battle of five armies as being like, this is what the Hobbit is leading to.
jordan holmes
Yeah, no, no.
dan friesen
Nevertheless, you were going based on the movies.
unidentified
Right.
jordan holmes
That makes sense.
dan friesen
What's going on right now is that Alex is trying to shed the baggage of the globalists and pivot his content into a new world order era, but he doesn't have any other real tricks than this battle of good and evil stuff.
alex jones
Yeah.
dan friesen
And so, like, the globalists are smaug.
jordan holmes
Right.
dan friesen
And now they've been defeated.
jordan holmes
Right.
dan friesen
And so now China's the goblins.
Islam is the wargs.
jordan holmes
I mean, in a way, like, I don't know.
I never saw the movies because I assumed they would be a horrible bastardization of something that I really loved.
Yeah.
But there was no good and evil in any battle of these armies.
There was not a good and evil.
There was people being prideful and stupid.
dan friesen
Yeah.
jordan holmes
People being greedy and holding.
People not being able to distribute fairly.
Then there's the River Lords.
Then you've got everybody.
And then at the end of it, it's like they fought.
And then we figured it out.
dan friesen
Yeah, the Dwarves, Elves, and Humans all wanted the gold.
jordan holmes
Yeah, they weren't on the same team.
Nobody was on the same team.
dan friesen
Until the Goblins came.
alex jones
Right.
dan friesen
And then they got together and those three armies fought against the goblins in the war.
Wargs.
unidentified
Right.
jordan holmes
But again, they still just wanted shit for themselves.
dan friesen
Yeah.
And I do not, I've not seen those movies myself either.
No.
Because I was deeply traumatized by getting high and watching the Lord of the Rings trilogy too many times.
unidentified
That'll happen.
dan friesen
And I'm not watching another one.
But I do know from just being kind of like a light movie guy who has awareness, I know that the Peter Jackson's, like, he only meant to make two of The Hobbit, and then he had to make three.
And in order to do that, he had to expand the Battle of the Five Armies into like something that was much bigger than it was in the original text.
jordan holmes
Jesus Christ.
dan friesen
Anyway, this is just another example of Alex being a movie guy.
jordan holmes
Man, the best part of The Hobbit is that it's a light, quick, and awesome story told well.
NATO Enlargement Fears 00:05:07
dan friesen
Yeah.
jordan holmes
That's it.
You do not need three movies out of that.
dan friesen
You certainly don't.
jordan holmes
Jesus.
dan friesen
So, Alex, remember that fake NATO guy from earlier that Alex on Twitter?
unidentified
Yeah.
dan friesen
Alex plays the clip of this guy and then sounds like a fucking baby.
alex jones
Top member on the committee of NATO Enlargement, Chairman Felinger of the NATO Enlargement Committee, the NATO Conquest Committee.
If you take him in Greenland, we will take every single U.S. base in Europe.
Good.
Good.
Here it is.
gunther fehlinger
If you take it, we take every single base of the Americans from Aviano to Ramstein, from Romania to all the other military bases will be confiscated and you will lose it.
And the whole position of American power since World War II, if you take Greenland, you have to live.
It's very simple, Mrs. Miller.
This is the leverage we have.
You need the spaces for global power protection.
You won't have it.
And we can defend ourselves very well.
And we will do that without the U.S. nuclear shield, without the U.S. troops in Europe, without the American bases.
We will simply run these bases ourselves and we run your boys home into Chicago and Ohio.
And goodbye.
You go extreme.
We go extreme as well.
Be sure about it.
alex jones
That is the biggest bluff I've ever seen.
The bases without our weapons and satellite control, the weapons, are worthless.
85% of Europeans and major polls are going to run and aren't going to be conscripted to fight.
They want us to get into a direct war with Russia.
We miss you're already in one.
And so, oh, if you go make a deal with Greenland that you claim was independent, oh, now we're going to go to war with you and now we're going to kick all your military out.
Please get us out of NATO.
Please.
And then all these wars with Russia will shut down just like that.
And Europe's got its nukes, so Russia's not going to attack you.
It's been the EU expanding up to the borders of Russia.
And we know that.
So these guys hold none of the cards, but there they are holding us hostage.
We got to get these clips to Trump.
I can't wait till he reads all these EU officials and NATO officials running their mouths.
Oh, my God.
Unbelievable.
dan friesen
So again, that guy is not speaking for NATO.
This is just something Alex found on Twitter.
alex jones
Great.
dan friesen
More importantly, though, really think about the mentality that Alex is expressing at the end there.
He's excited about the idea of Trump being informed about a geopolitical threat that NATO is supposedly making by Alex showing him the clip.
In Alex's conception, Trump doesn't know about something like this already, which to me sounds like holding comically low expectations for a leader.
If some pundit on MSNBC was playing a clip of a foreign leader making a threat against the U.S. during the Obama years and the host said, I can't wait until Obama sees that on our show, it would come off like a real dumb child.
I don't want to bring this up to highlight any hypocrisy or play some what about games.
I just really want to stress what Alex's behaviors would look like in other contexts.
He looks very stupid.
unidentified
Yeah.
dan friesen
Oh, I can't wait until Trump sees this.
jordan holmes
Yeah.
Yeah, there was a power.
There was a power in being willing to look stupid and being willing to look insane and being willing to look like this a while back early on.
This is different though.
This isn't looking stupid or insane.
This is trying to look smart and winding up looking stupid and insane.
dan friesen
Yeah.
jordan holmes
And that's fucking crazy.
dan friesen
Yeah.
Well, I think it's also, I think it's a mix between like a really infantile mind that he has that is just unescapable.
He can't get away from that.
And then another end of it is him needing to play stupid and like really make this content dumb.
jordan holmes
Yeah.
dan friesen
Because the alternative is accepting like, here's what we're doing.
jordan holmes
Yeah.
dan friesen
It's going to be throwing the non-whites out of the country.
Yeah.
And we're taking over all the economies and hey, fuck all the stuff that I'm supposed to have really held sacred.
jordan holmes
Yeah.
You know, I wonder, I suppose, I suppose, you know, I suppose we'll find out.
I kind of hope we don't, but we've been able to sell military action, you know, to the military with an enemy.
You know, there's somebody attacking there.
There's somebody big, there's overarching, something like that.
But whatever war is going to come next, it's impossible not to say it's for stuff.
You know, so like as an army, do we still have an army of conquest?
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jordan holmes
An army that's just like, yeah, fuck it.
I'll go fight anybody.
Or are these people actually going to say we don't fight for stealing shit?
dan friesen
I think that, you know, it's an interesting question.
And I think that, unfortunately, I don't believe that all are principled.
unidentified
Sure.
dan friesen
And I think that you have, you know, private armies that have certainly they don't mind.
No, so like I even, I think that even if our standing volunteer army is like, no, I'm not into this.
unidentified
Yeah.
dan friesen
They'll be.
jordan holmes
Right.
I just, I mean, I just can't imagine the idea of expecting anybody to like deny it a legal order.
Like at this point, fucking soldier, hello.
That's illegal.
That's illegal.
Like what?
Everybody who's everybody's doing illegal shit.
How do you say no because it's illegal, right?
dan friesen
I don't know.
jordan holmes
That's tough.
dan friesen
So speaking of illegal things, Ice shot someone in the face.
And that happens while Alex, I think it actually happened a little bit before Alex got on air.
But he finds out about it on air.
And so here is how he begins to cover the story.
alex jones
Now, I've been telling you, the left can't debate us on policy.
They can't debate us on economics.
They can't debate us on culture.
So all they need to do is create racial division.
And they've been hyping a new civil war in America and having violent groups attack ICE and Border Patrol and openly saying, we need somebody to get killed.
So we have a new George Floyd.
So we have a pretext to burn the country down, say Trump's a dictator, implement the martial law Podesta plan.
Well, now we may have a candidate of that.
I'm surprised this hadn't happened earlier with all the shooting at ICE and shooting them and killing them and ramming them and throwing rocks at them and all the rest of it.
Witnesses report ICE agent shooting woman in Minneapolis Hepburn's car crash incident.
Oh, I wonder if it was a ramming.
dan friesen
So this is the first mention Alex has of the ICE shooting, and you can see how his default is to make the story fit his narrative regardless of what the truth in the case may be.
He's not interested at all in the details.
He's not reporting on a breaking story.
He's taking a horrible traumatic event that just happened and demanding the audience view it solely through his lens.
I get that everyone is insane now, but personally, I'm not going to dignify this situation as something worth arguing over.
It's very clearly an inappropriate shooting carried out by an ICE agent against a U.S. citizen, and it should be treated as a possible homicide.
I understand heat of the moment type defenses and all that sort of thing should be litigated by a court and a jury.
Anybody who sees the details of the shooting and say that it's acceptable, that's not a sincere actor.
You are not coming at this from a sincere place.
You are a tool of state power, and it's fairly obvious.
With Alex at this point in his show, I think his behavior is actually less nefarious than it could be.
And that's only because in this moment, he doesn't know anything.
He has no information.
This is all just a knee-jerk reaction to breaking news that ICE killed someone.
In the Infowars conspiracy narrative, anti-Trump agitators have been trying to get someone killed so they can use them as a martyr.
So it makes total sense for Alex to slot this in as the fulfillment of that prophecy.
He's an idiot, and this is inhumanly cynical.
But I really think that you can only grasp the depths of Alex's intentional depravity by seeing his reaction to this case once he has more information.
It makes total sense and is boring evil the way he responds in the moment.
alex jones
Yeah.
dan friesen
It takes more evil and intention later.
unidentified
I believe you.
I believe you.
dan friesen
Jesus.
So as this news starts to come into place, and people start tweeting about it and everything, there start to become visuals.
And immediately after Alex has already set his narrative framework, he starts to see a little bit of video.
alex jones
Fuck.
And you have the countless videos of them saying, get after him, attack him, and viciously attacking ICE.
And already Walls is out demonizing.
Before you even know the facts, federal law enforcement shoots civilian in Minneapolis.
City officials say acting like federal law enforcement's military.
See how they spin that?
Like, oh, a civilian.
And here's the video breaking tear gas and pepper spray.
Oh, turns out we're getting footage now.
They were running around screaming, attacking, going after people.
And who knows if ICE even shot this lady?
Again, you never know when they're going to pull a false flag.
And they've said one death and they're going to burn down the country.
And again, a bunch of middle-aged and elderly women, as usual, white women virtue signaling, running up, screaming, pushing, attacking, ramming cars, all of it.
And the left always cuts after they ram the car or after they attack somebody when they get slammed to the ground.
I'm a citizen.
I'm innocent.
Why are you doing it?
dan friesen
So you can see in that clip, Alex beginning to weave visual details he's picking up from early videos into the story.
They're white women virtue signaling.
He's blending his standard talking points and predictive narrative structure with the first little details that he's been able to take in about this shooting.
This clip also includes an interesting condemnation that I'm going to pretend I don't quite understand, which is Alex complaining about Tim Walz coming out and talking about the shooting.
He says that Walls is out demonizing ICE about it when we don't even know the details, but Alex himself is out defending ICE about it when he definitely knows less about this than Walls.
If what Walls is doing is wrong and manipulative, then what Alex is doing is too, by default.
If you believe that he's doing so, it would be okay to criticize Waltz for jumping to conclusions.
Like if you believe that about Walls.
But if that's the problem, then Alex shouldn't be doing the exact same thing too.
He can't live in both spaces without pointing the finger at himself.
unidentified
Yeah.
dan friesen
In the info war, there is no truth.
There isn't an objective reality that everyone has to accept and events must be judged by.
There is only narrative.
Everything that happens is only as true or false as the story you tell about it.
So if you understand Alex's complaint about Walls correctly, this is what he's talking about.
Presumably, Walls doesn't have any of the details about the shooting, and neither does Alex.
Walls is putting out a narrative that it's inappropriate for ICE to kill people, and Alex's narrative that it's actually okay for them to do that.
Alex doesn't actually care that Walls is talking about this case before anyone knows the details.
That's what Alex's business model is entirely based on, and it's silly to pretend he cares.
unidentified
Yeah.
dan friesen
All that matters is that you're not, you're talking about this case before anyone knows the details.
That's a valid criticism that non-insane people can accept about public officials.
So, Alex uses it to attack what he perceives as them building a narrative.
The point I'm trying to make is that it looks like hypocrisy for Alex to be making up his mind about a story while criticizing Walls for hardy having made up his mind about the story, but it's not relevant to see this as hypocrisy.
It's a rhetorical trick that he uses so he doesn't have to full-throatedly argue his real point.
It's far easier for him to say that Walls is too eager to blame ICE for the shooting compared to what Alex really needs to do, which is justify ICE shooting a citizen.
Yeah, he doesn't want to do that.
Yeah.
So he hides behind this.
unidentified
Yeah.
jordan holmes
Yeah, it is that form of hypocrisy that is misleading, like, you know, just Mitch McConnell's existence.
You know, it's you think they're supposed to be doing one thing, but if you pull back, what's happening is they're trying to cut down a tree, and they don't give a shit what tool they have to use to do it.
There's no such thing as hypocrisy.
There's just the tree is up or it's down.
So I'll lie.
I'll say this.
I'll say the same thing you say.
It doesn't, nothing means anything except for the tree falling.
dan friesen
Yeah.
jordan holmes
You know?
dan friesen
And understanding that things are hypocritical is good in a sense.
jordan holmes
Yes.
dan friesen
In a sense.
jordan holmes
Learning and understanding what it is.
dan friesen
If you are able to then grow from the point where you understand that this is hypocrisy and it does not matter, the hypocrisy is a rhetorical trick that is being weaponized against you.
jordan holmes
Right.
dan friesen
That's where it becomes relevant.
If you stop at the hypocrisy point, that tree's coming down and you're never going to be able to even understand what their objective is.
jordan holmes
It is, yeah, that is the early daily show.
That is what they were like, see if we expose hypocrisy, but they didn't understand it.
They didn't understand it then.
I think people understand it better now.
dan friesen
I hope so.
jordan holmes
I would hope so.
dan friesen
But you never know.
jordan holmes
You never know.
dan friesen
So Alex starts to see some images and starts to make up his own story.
alex jones
Sure.
unidentified
Stay back behind the line.
alex jones
Back that up a minute.
Back it up.
Notice the bloody airbag.
So let's back that up.
What is the vehicle crashed into?
Was this person, like all the others, ramming vehicles?
What went on here?
unidentified
Stay back behind the line.
alex jones
ICE has been extremely restrained so far.
dan friesen
So Alex is playing a video that shows the aftermath of the shooting where there's a bloody airbag deployed in the car.
That was because the victim was shot while driving away and her car then rammed into another car because she was dead behind the wheel.
Alex knows nothing about this situation.
He's just making stuff up about the little snippets of video he's cold watching on the show and then trying to use whatever details he sees as proof of his predetermined narrative.
There's a bloody airbag because this person rammed an ICE vehicle before getting shot.
That's a possibility that Alex sees as maybe working to justify the shooting.
So he's throwing it out there.
That's probably what happened because that works for me.
Yeah.
It's a sign of a liar.
jordan holmes
Yeah, it's like, I mean, these people should just have a board.
You know, they should have a writer's room and they should have a board that just is like, what are all the possible reasons people might accept where it's okay to shoot somebody?
And then just pull them out at random whenever you need them.
dan friesen
But that's what Alex does.
unidentified
Exactly.
dan friesen
He might as well be that.
jordan holmes
Exactly. It's just fucking, it's disgusting.
dan friesen
Yeah.
So Alex is developing this idea that it was a ramming situation.
jordan holmes
Which makes it okay for ICE to kill somebody.
dan friesen
I guess so.
alex jones
Look at all the crash smash vehicles.
Back that up.
Look at her vehicle and the smashed vehicles around it.
What do you think was going on there?
You think it was a ramming?
I'd say about a 95% chance.
That's a deadly weapon.
You've seen all over the country?
They've been so restrained so far.
They know they're going to have Soros DA trying to put them in prison.
You know, they've been highly restrained so far.
We're already hearing from Ten Walls and all them that this is the bloody shirt they wanted to wave.
Start over again.
dan friesen
So, yeah, you can hear Alex already being defensive about criticisms that people had, like the idea that the officer fled the scene, which he did.
Like, whether you want to say he fled because of being afraid for his safety or to get out of there because he shot somebody, who cares?
He did do that.
He left and went to a federal building.
So, like, this is a criticism that people had.
And you can hear Alex picking up on these things and justifying each new thing that he's seeing someone say on Twitter.
And it's not a sincere commentator.
jordan holmes
No.
No.
dan friesen
It's almost like a media surrogate.
jordan holmes
It's fucked.
It's fucked because the point of it is like for most people who, like, if you wanted ICE gone, you didn't need this to happen to push you over the edge.
dan friesen
Nope.
jordan holmes
You know?
But everybody is somewhat conscious that maybe some people need something like this to push them over.
Right?
And Alex is very conscious of that.
And so all of this is focused on making sure enough people don't get pushed over that line of like, let's actually just fucking get rid of this shit.
Let's actually just be fucking done with it.
dan friesen
I would argue that there's a little bit of that.
It's pacification on one level.
unidentified
Sure.
dan friesen
And then I think on another level, it is also hoping that people go over the edge on the other side and start attacking.
jordan holmes
Be like, it's totally okay.
dan friesen
Like, think that they're helping ICE by killing a protester or ramming their car into a protest or something like that.
So I think it's double-pronged.
But at the end of the day, it is all in service of protecting and justifying the state power that he wants exerted.
jordan holmes
Yep.
dan friesen
It sucks.
It's fucking bullshit.
jordan holmes
It really is.
dan friesen
So Alex plays some more video, and he's taking this all in.
And you can just clearly see his editorial stance.
alex jones
Got a bunch of leftists to get over your radio list like hyenas chasing everybody around, attacking, trying to get the provocation.
I can't believe they can even get ICE to do this job.
This is how they invade us.
Human trafficking, all of it.
Locking the vehicles, all the stuff they do.
Because they're the white liberals.
They're the saviors.
They're the good guys.
dan friesen
It's fascinating to hear Alex mumble this kind of stuff over these videos because his career is based on way tamer videos than this one.
And his insistence that they were all the police state.
He spent years of his career whining about a video where troops were doing a crowd control drill and some teen improvised a line about how they can't do this to him because he's a citizen.
The optics of that were so scandalous that Alex basically declared war.
All that shit seems so quaint and dumb now.
This woman was killed by federal agents on the streets in the United States.
It's not a hypothetical.
It's not some kid role-playing at some National Guard training exercise.
This is real.
And you can see where Alex's loyalties lie by his immediate response to this.
And duh.
jordan holmes
Yeah, I don't know.
I just don't know if I could be on any team.
I don't know if I could be on any team that could find a reason to justify this, you know?
unidentified
Yeah.
jordan holmes
Just like, I don't even, I don't care if it is justified.
It is not doable.
You cannot do it.
You can't.
Even if you think it's right, even if you think it's right in your head, you cannot do it.
unidentified
Yep.
dan friesen
The worst possible acceptable angle is this reveals an unacceptable force.
jordan holmes
Yeah.
dan friesen
You know, like this requires a deep level of congressional investigation.
This guy needs to be stripped of his gun and position.
Like, that's the least acceptable version.
Yeah.
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dan friesen
And yeah, once you get to the point where there's justification involved, I think you have to be so far gone that I just don't even know what to do.
jordan holmes
I mean, because at the core of it, that guy shouldn't have even been able to murder somebody.
That guy shouldn't have had a gun.
That guy shouldn't have been in a government agency.
That government agency shouldn't have existed.
It shouldn't be here.
None of it should have even been able to happen.
dan friesen
Right.
There's layers of abstraction that come far before the actual incident itself.
Yeah.
And I think those are all valid conversations to have.
I think people should.
Yeah.
But as it relates to exactly what happened, I don't think that there is a good faith reading of it that cannot just be like, this isn't okay.
jordan holmes
Yeah.
dan friesen
And I think that that is a line that people should understand.
unidentified
Yeah.
jordan holmes
I mean, if you see something different from me, then we don't need to talk.
dan friesen
Right.
jordan holmes
Because whatever you see makes the world so completely different from the way I see it that we cannot, we don't communicate.
You're an alien.
dan friesen
If you see something different, it means one of two things to me.
It means either you are someone like Alex who profits off seeing something different.
Right.
And you are trying to Pied Piper people into a negative state.
jordan holmes
Right.
dan friesen
Or you are lying about what you value.
You are saying that this is okay because you want ICE to kill people.
Yeah.
And I just don't think that you can have sincere motives and justify this.
jordan holmes
Can't.
dan friesen
No.
And I won't engage.
jordan holmes
How could you?
dan friesen
So, Alex, I think one of the things that he wants to do is to make sure that all the people who didn't get shot at the protest, they all look as bad as possible.
Of course, they were all so bad.
jordan holmes
No, they're outside agitators, too.
alex jones
These liberals out here don't have jobs.
Most of them are managing NGOs.
They're getting the money.
They're out there to ensure all of this.
The Somalis are their bag men.
And they don't want their precious illegal aliens with huge rap sheets and convictions for rape and murder being deported.
These are agents with federal court orders, absolutely constitutional, doing their duty, surrounded and under attack.
This is the UN globalist model.
You have the UN head of the Security Council in Minnesota, Ohio, running large parts of the scam.
They're finding individuals with hundreds of millions of dollars going into their covers a year now.
This is all about robbing the country, bringing the nation down.
And Trump's following his duty.
He's doing it 100% supporting.
jordan holmes
Which is why he's robbing the Venezuela.
alex jones
We'll see how they try to spin it.
And, you know, in this hysteria, we hope the woman pulls through.
But we're not going to get the true story from the left out there telling us what happened.
We've got to actually see and get the facts here.
But ICE has not really made any mistakes so far.
I wouldn't expect him not to make some.
So this could be their George Floyd 2.0 moment.
dan friesen
Insane.
Just insane.
jordan holmes
I genuinely, like, I don't know.
It has to be something because I just genuinely don't know how you can be so fucking political brain rotted that you can look at this and think that there is a right or a left.
You know, like, fuck off.
Fuck off.
This is not, this is not like.
dan friesen
Are you arguing that you're above the left-right paradigm?
jordan holmes
You should redistribute wealth is worse than fucking capitalism.
No, this guy is a government agent who shot somebody.
dan friesen
Yeah.
Yeah, no, I think that.
jordan holmes
Sorry, a government agent who murdered somebody.
dan friesen
But like, murdered.
But I think that it's even kind of foolish to look at it as political because it's not.
jordan holmes
That's what I'm saying.
dan friesen
Yeah, it's cultural.
jordan holmes
The idea of this, the idea of framing it this way is insane.
dan friesen
Yeah.
Yeah.
And arguing on that front, I think, is a fool's errand.
unidentified
Yeah.
jordan holmes
It's just absurd.
dan friesen
It is essentially the way that I see someone like Alex and people who would defend this is it's a proxy.
This is a symbol of something that they want, which is state terrorism deployed against the people they don't think deserve to be here.
Which does include people who would stand up for the rights of immigrants and the like.
So I think that no matter what, no matter what the circumstances, you're going to get the same outcome.
For them, he's an avatar.
It's not left or right.
It's not political.
It's not about the Constitution.
jordan holmes
Nope.
dan friesen
None of that shit matters.
jordan holmes
Nope.
I would just, here's the thing.
Here's the thing that sucks, right?
Because if there were enough people, right, who are like, hey, I think we should openly say that the state should be a terrorist-run organization that murders people we don't like, right?
Then we could just fight them.
But because there's not enough, they have to lie about it.
And that's terrible because people get tricked so easily.
It's so hard to know everything that's going on.
dan friesen
And I think that a pretty decent argument could be made that the reason that they're doing this in Minneapolis is because they couldn't do it in L.A. or New York or Chicago.
unidentified
Yep.
dan friesen
people would fucking fight them yeah no there'd be no yeah there There is enough like the large enough cities they could not pull this kind of shit off on.
jordan holmes
No, there would be real burning of cars.
dan friesen
Yeah.
jordan holmes
That shit would go down.
dan friesen
And I think that, yeah, that's why the full-throated argument isn't being made.
Yep.
Because the power base does not exist for them to terrorize all of us.
jordan holmes
Right.
dan friesen
They can terrorize certain amounts at a time, but they're not strong enough.
jordan holmes
Nope.
dan friesen
And fuck them.
jordan holmes
Fuck them.
dan friesen
So Alex has media star Bobby Barnes on the show.
jordan holmes
Because it's a legal thing.
dan friesen
No, no.
He was going to come on already.
Oh, okay.
Because they wanted to talk about the new world order that Trump is making with Venezuela.
jordan holmes
Fucking hell.
dan friesen
Barnes is a little bit against it.
jordan holmes
Yeah.
dan friesen
He's a little bit against the Venezuela thing.
He's iffy.
And so the two of them were going to talk about that.
alex jones
Right.
All right, Riley shotgun with us.
Is great lawyer, constitutional expert, real historian Robert Barnes, on the global political realignment happening, the seizure of this Russian tanker, the militias rising up in Venezuela against U.S. regime change, the U.S. saying they're about to take Greenland, Denmark saying that'll be an act of war, that they will go to war with us.
They'll shoot first, ask questions later, close quote.
This is all because the old order has fallen.
Now there's a scrambling for the new order.
dan friesen
Just say you want a new world order.
Come on, man.
I dare you.
jordan holmes
I mean, just do it.
Yeah.
dan friesen
Just do it.
jordan holmes
Come on.
We want an apartheid-based new world order.
Just do it.
dan friesen
Just say it because I want to edit it together with George H.W. Bush.
They were so scared of saying New World Order.
I want to make music videos of you saying, oh, we're bringing in a new world order.
Come on, it'll be fun.
jordan holmes
I mean, you kind of gotta.
dan friesen
Come on, dumbass.
jordan holmes
And it's really, it's not even your fault.
Any time-based modifier is going to look stupid as time goes on.
Like, the idea of post-postmodernism.
Fuck off.
Start over.
We got to redo all words.
dan friesen
Yeah, we can find new descriptors.
jordan holmes
Yeah, we can't be having like post-post post.
Get the fuck out of here.
New, new, new world order.
See, that's great.
But any modifier that bases itself on time is going to look stupid.
dan friesen
Yeah.
So also stupid is Robert Barnes.
And Alex doesn't really care too much that he's there.
He can wait because Nick Sortor is on the ground in Minnesota.
unidentified
Damn it.
alex jones
We'll go to Barnes in a moment.
But first, we just talked to Nick Sordor, the incredible on-the-ground reporter, also Infowars reporter.
Host his Sunday show with us.
Nick Sordor is on the ground embedded with DHS.
They have confirmed to him that a woman, just in the last hour and a half, tried to ram their vehicle in one of these neighborhoods where this rapid reaction force of 2000 went in to arrest illegal aliens with long rap sheets.
And DHS has said that she tried to ram the vehicle.
Last hour, I looked at raw footage and you see what looks like a bunch of ram vehicles in her car and the bloody airbag.
So it looked pretty obvious to me that you've got vehicles rammed and then you've got a DHS vehicle there and you see the bloody airbag.
She has now reportedly been pronounced dead according to DHS sources.
We just talked to Nick Sordor.
He's coming on next hour on the ground.
dan friesen
So Nick Sordor is not embedded with the DHS as a journalist.
He's there as a mouthpiece of the state.
He's there to spin events in a way that state media surrogates like Alex can then report to their audience in ways that defend the narrative that maintains state power.
This narrative that the victim was trying to ram vehicles is the first attempt to make something stick that exonerates the ICE agent, but it ends up not working.
They later pivot to accusing her of trying to run over an agent once more videos released.
But if that hadn't happened, it's likely that this would have sufficed for most of Trump's audience and allowed them to move on, which is the role that Nick plays.
He has been so seduced by proximity to power and the Trump administration treating him like he has something valid to offer in terms of media or journalism that he's compromised.
He's been captured by the state and they can freely just lie to him and he will report the lie on Twitter and it will travel around to folks like Alex.
He's an essential piece.
And granted, it's not just him.
There's a bunch of hims.
Sure.
But yeah, they serve their purpose in the chain.
jordan holmes
Yeah.
You'd think after watching Spicer go, you'd be like, this is a short-term gig at the very least.
At the very most.
dan friesen
What about the mooch?
jordan holmes
See?
Like, don't be a mouthpiece of these pieces of shit.
dan friesen
No, but that's where Nick Sortor is smart.
He's not official.
He doesn't have an actual job.
He's a Twitter personality and influencer.
Yeah.
That's the sweet spot.
jordan holmes
Worst thing.
dan friesen
It is, but it's also the sweet spot for making that sweet bucks.
jordan holmes
Yeah, just having a nice little lie shield around yourself at all times.
dan friesen
Yeah.
jordan holmes
Great.
dan friesen
So Alex talks a little bit about ICE here, and I think that we all need to recognize that this is a huge problem.
alex jones
I'm just surprised they can get ICE even do this.
It's such a dangerous job.
unidentified
Go another way!
Move!
jordan holmes
Go another way!
unidentified
Let it do!
alex jones
And you've got all these versions signaling white people out here so pissed at murderers and rapists and criminals and frogsters are being, I mean, they got federal orders from courts, folks.
They're busting drug houses and fentanyl houses and human traveling houses.
Telltale they've got umbrellas to block their faces.
That's an anti-vomote.
So they're trying to leave.
They're blocking the road, attacking them.
This is the provocation they want.
This is what they're looking for.
And then if Trump doesn't execute federal law, start deporting the illegal aliens, he's capitulated to them.
Then they control the blue cities.
Because you're really expeditionary forces into areas captured by the left in America.
Look, in 1917, the Russians took him a couple years to get control of all of Russia.
First, he only had Moscow.
That's what the left wants.
Control the main cities.
dan friesen
We just can't live like this.
Like, on the one hand, it's unacceptable to view areas that vote differently than you want as enemy-held lands that need to be invaded.
Once you have that view, there's no point in ever trying to engage in politics.
Why allow voting if voting the way you don't want me to means you should get to invade and terrorize my city?
On the other hand, it's particularly unacceptable for Alex to hold this view.
It's such a betrayal of what he's supposed to stand for that his hardcore followers should burn down his studio.
Like, this is a person who clearly is saying, hey, I fucked with you this whole time.
unidentified
Yeah.
dan friesen
I didn't mean any of that shit.
Yeah.
Anybody who has sacrificed for what they thought Infowars was about, people who've been alienated from their families because they wouldn't shut the fuck up about Ron Paul or some dumb Bilderberg shit.
People who have died because of this or lost loved ones to like this.
They should be furious at Alex.
He's telling them that this doesn't matter.
The mentality Alex is expressing here is one that you can't really allow to exist because engaging with it ends up becoming a trap.
If your political enemies are actually enemy combatants, then politics is useless.
If we accept that framing, then we become incompatible with each other.
And I reject that.
I don't think that people who have different political views like in rural America, in deep red areas, should be invaded by the government in order to stop them from being racist even.
jordan holmes
Enjoy.
If you're not bothering anybody, nobody cares.
dan friesen
Right.
You can't operate in public spaces with racism.
Like, you can't.
You can't have a whites-only business.
And the government has an interest in protecting that.
So if you're doing that, I understand the police being like, you can't do this.
But if you're just racist, the state shouldn't invade you because you're racist.
jordan holmes
That's the idea.
That's the whole thing.
dan friesen
Right.
jordan holmes
Yeah.
dan friesen
And you can't have expeditionary forces.
You can't do this.
jordan holmes
No.
dan friesen
You can't look at things this way or else we're done.
It's done.
jordan holmes
Yeah.
I mean, I'll listen to propaganda.
I'll listen to you spout the state line over music.
But if you're saying it over footage of that, let's fight.
Let's just go.
Let's just do it and then get it done.
I can't hang with Alex saying that.
Here's the video.
dan friesen
Right.
And you're going to be looked at as the person who can't use decorum and you must resort to violence.
jordan holmes
I don't.
I don't use decorum.
Fuck them.
unidentified
Right.
dan friesen
Yeah.
But what I'm trying to get at is the point that Alex is making is if you are not in line.
jordan holmes
Those are the it's it's it's fighting words.
It's extermination fighting words.
unidentified
Yes.
jordan holmes
You are not people unless you are who I determined to be people.
unidentified
Yes.
jordan holmes
Which is not in your control.
It is always going to be in his control.
Masked Henchmen Wear Secrets 00:15:49
jordan holmes
That's the idea.
And I get to determine who's real.
dan friesen
And it will never be like sincerely applied.
jordan holmes
No.
dan friesen
It will never be coherently articulated.
It will always exist.
There will always be enemies to send expeditionary forces against.
unidentified
Yep.
dan friesen
And Alex fucking understands this.
His career is built on making people scared about it.
unidentified
Yep.
dan friesen
It's fucking garbage.
unidentified
Yep.
dan friesen
So anyway, Robert Barnes.
unidentified
Sure.
jordan holmes
Media star Bobby Barnes.
dan friesen
Yeah, he's one of the good ones.
One of the best.
One of the best lawyers.
Man, he's the one of the best constitutional scholars.
robert barnes
Probably.
dan friesen
And film critics.
jordan holmes
I didn't know that.
alex jones
Robert Barnes.
Thank you so much for being here.
What do you make of what's happening in Minneapolis, Minnesota right now?
robert barnes
Well, I mean, it's the one battle after another script.
I mean, the main movie that Hollywood is promoting to win the actually best film for Oscars, even though, you know, by most real critics, it's not a very particularly cinematically effective film.
jordan holmes
It's a real critic.
robert barnes
It's a particularly well-known director, nor was it popular at the box office itself, despite having some big-name actors like DiCaprio and others as part of the cast.
Sean Penn, you know, Benedicto del Toro, you name it.
But the core of the film is to celebrate Antifa-type violence targeting ICE facilities and ICE individuals.
alex jones
Sniping bombing and terrorism and hot sex when you do it.
robert barnes
Exactly.
dan friesen
These fucking clowns are so embarrassing, rattling off this bullshit when they clearly haven't seen the movie they're talking about.
One battle after another doesn't glorify Antifa-style violence against ICE facilities, but you might think that if you only saw the trailer and saw a bunch of right-wing dipshits complaining about the trailer on social media, the actual movie is fairly indicting of how that kind of violence is frequently carried out by people who are superficially interested in revolution, but what they're really motivated by is the money that they make from bank robberies or the excitement they get out of creating their own criminal branding.
The real revolutionary action in that movie is love and family.
Leonardo DiCaprio loving and caring for his daughter creates a better future, not the bonds that he made when he was younger.
Benicio Del Toro is able to create meaningful resistance not by committing acts of terrorism, but by creating networks that protect children and vulnerable people.
Also, is fucking Barnes saying that Paul Thomas Anderson is a no-name director?
The guy who did Boogie Knights, Magnolia, and There Will Be Blood?
The 11-time Oscar nominee.
jordan holmes
No, no.
What movies has he made that are widely celebrated as the best of his generation?
dan friesen
Punch drunk love.
jordan holmes
Come on.
What?
Like some sort of gangs of New York?
dan friesen
I legitimately get them not liking one battle after another.
I have no problem with that.
It's fine.
If you don't like it, whatever.
It just sucks that they won't even watch the movies.
They're pretending to reveal all the globalists' big evil plots.
It's fucking insane.
jordan holmes
Yeah.
dan friesen
If you think this is predictive programming, watch it.
Don't just watch the fucking trailer.
jordan holmes
No, the worst thing I can do is dig past hitting gold.
dan friesen
Yeah.
jordan holmes
And it turns out that all gold is on the surface.
It's amazing how that works, isn't it?
dan friesen
Yeah.
jordan holmes
Somehow, other people are out there mining.
Terrible idea.
Just grab this shit on the ground.
It's always true.
dan friesen
It's so funny to be like, oh, yeah, Alex reads the white papers and the documents.
He gets really into the weeds about all this stuff.
He gets behind the scenes.
Yeah.
You watched the fucking Hobbit third movie and the trailer from one battle after another and decided you have a fucking worldview.
Never dug deep.
Anyway, Barnes doesn't like One Battle After.
jordan holmes
Well, that'll happen.
robert barnes
Once this was done, I thought there should have been a lot more cultural condemnation of this film.
And it's pernicious.
I mean, I said that this film has the potential to be what Birth of a Nation was.
First movie ever shown in the White House.
Democratic President Woodrow Wilson.
He was a film that celebrates Klan.
jordan holmes
Come on, buddy.
robert barnes
And within a year, the Ku Klux Klan took off across the country, not only in the South, but in the Midwest.
jordan holmes
You know things.
robert barnes
Places like, you know, all over the place in New York, parts of the country, all parts of the country, in ways that the Klan had never been before.
And it was a pernicious proto-fascistic force.
I mean, it was really what was behind, you know, Tulsa, Oklahoma when that, you know, they burned down.
alex jones
And I looked this up.
There were dozens of films the last three years like this big budget one and like Civil War.
So this is what they're planning.
I just noticed that this woman got shot like an hour and a half ago.
Instantly, the Democrats said it was a murder, George Floyd 2.0.
And then you see all the smashed vehicles.
Looks like a ramming DH just says it was.
That Fitz will see the truth of this.
We don't just take that as, you know, they're telling us the truth every time, though.
They've been very accurate so far.
But I don't think they're going to care one way or another.
They're just going to spend this.
How do we counter this?
dan friesen
They're going to spin this no matter what.
How do we spin this no matter what?
Also, just watch the fucking movie.
jordan holmes
Yeah.
Let's not even bother talking.
If you've already had a foregone conclusion of what they're doing and what you're doing, then just don't even bother doing it.
You've canceled each other out.
You're just wasting my fucking time.
dan friesen
So Alex and Barnes, they are like, hey, you know, it's weird that we have a secret police.
unidentified
It is weird.
dan friesen
It's weird that they're just like covering their faces and probably real bad.
It's the kind of stuff that Infowars has been historically.
jordan holmes
Pretty Nazi shit.
dan friesen
We kind of need them to keep doing it or else people will know who they are.
jordan holmes
Weird.
robert barnes
I mean, I am bothered by the fact that somehow protesters know where ICE is operating.
That's one key problem.
But putting that aside, the other problem is the, at least perception-wise, is should they stay masked and in military uniforms?
I think that's the optics that they want.
The other side wants.
So if those guys were...
alex jones
But we know Hakeem Jeffries and all of them a year ago said, we're going to dox you, we're going to harass you, we're going to come after you.
I'm surprised they get a lot to get shot at and bricks thrown at when they're just serving court orders.
And I'm not all for paramilitary masks, but that's when you do it is you wear a mask when you're being hunted.
It's one thing if you wear a mask to be secret police, but if you wear a mask because you're following a court order and they're hunting you, I guess they're just supposed to go out and say, by the way, here's my home address.
Come kill me.
robert barnes
That's the problem.
That's a conundrum.
That's what I was curious, your thoughts, because they're just finding in the polling data that it's resonating negatively, and the Democrats are getting their net plus out of the fact that, as you know, they have to be dressed the way they are to protect their own safety personally and so that they're not doxed, so that they're not harassed, so that all these things are happening anyway, but that it doesn't follow them home.
And so very understandable and acceptable concern on their side, but it's playing into the Democratic narrative, the Democratic narrative that they're going to re-script in all of this because you know they're going to, as you point out, they're going to retell this story.
This story is going to be nice, innocent, sweet middle America protester summarily executed by Trump's military force.
Now, this is part of why I'm concerned about the Venezuelan other things, is that certain things make that perception easier for the media to get away with.
alex jones
The truth?
This shit broke.
So it turns out DHS told the truth.
dan friesen
Oh, wow, that's breaking.
So, yeah, I think that these kinds of things that Trump is doing do make it easier to form a pattern of behavior.
unidentified
Sure.
dan friesen
And that is inconvenient for someone in Roberts' position.
Yeah.
But also, if this argument holds, why should any cop not be secret?
There's a chance of reprisal from criminals for carrying out your duty as a cop.
Like, why should any cop be public?
And then when we're on the subject, why should any soldier?
Why should any lawyer?
Why should any judge?
Why should any politician?
Like, why should anybody, why should you know who anybody is?
There's a danger to knowing who anybody is.
Why should podcasters use their real names?
jordan holmes
That's a good point.
dan friesen
This is dangerous.
jordan holmes
We could get caught out.
dan friesen
Right.
Yeah.
I think that this is stupid.
Yeah.
If circumstances were different, they would never make these kinds of arguments.
jordan holmes
I can't imagine.
And listen, I don't know all of human history.
I will admit that.
I'll be the first to admit that.
But I also know of zero situations where the masked secret police turn out to be the good guys.
dan friesen
Yeah.
jordan holmes
I've not seen anyone.
dan friesen
Not one.
I'm running through.
The thing that makes me want to fight with you about it and argue.
jordan holmes
Because you have to?
dan friesen
Cartoons.
jordan holmes
Cartoons.
unidentified
Yeah.
dan friesen
I think there might be some instances like of G.I. Joe or something.
unidentified
Right.
jordan holmes
No, even Snake is the bad guy.
dan friesen
But do any of the Joes wear masks?
jordan holmes
No, because masks are big henchman energy.
dan friesen
That's true.
jordan holmes
You cannot be the hero.
That's why.
Listen, frankly, if you're going to be in ICE, don't wear a mask because you're a fucking henchman.
You're a henchman.
Ugh.
Ugh.
James Bond villain lives through James Bond murdering hundreds of henchmen.
James Bond lays waste to henchmen.
And the bad guy gets to go home at the end.
Right.
dan friesen
Now, here is where I think that the Proud Boys got it right.
They had like Rufio Pan Mask.
jordan holmes
That's true.
dan friesen
And based stick masks.
jordan holmes
They knew what they were doing.
dan friesen
They were Bebop and Rocksteady.
alex jones
Yep.
dan friesen
You know, like they weren't just normal Foot Clan soldiers who were walking around who were dispensable.
jordan holmes
That's what I'm saying.
dan friesen
You need branding.
jordan holmes
You can't be a henchman.
dan friesen
Okay, so unfortunately.
jordan holmes
And if you don't have a face, you're a henchman.
dan friesen
Well, that's not true.
You can have a face, but maybe it's like a funny mask.
unidentified
Sure.
dan friesen
Like a, I don't know.
jordan holmes
Like the dead presidents?
dan friesen
No, I was thinking like a Bebop Rocksteady mask, like literally.
jordan holmes
You can just go straight with.
Oh, okay.
All right.
Sure, sure.
As long as you've got some.
But that's, again, that's uniqueness.
That's standing out.
dan friesen
Yeah.
jordan holmes
Yeah.
The henchman dresses the same in the same military fatigues and the same masks.
dan friesen
But unfortunately, I think that what we're beating around the bush of advocating for is pageantry and 100% and maybe more.
jordan holmes
If our law enforcement were essentially the Power Rangers, we would all be a lot more accepting of the terrible shit they do.
Because fuck, they've got style.
They've got panache.
They look like they're doing something important.
dan friesen
But they're also like, there's a real threat.
There's big monsters and shit.
jordan holmes
Sure.
dan friesen
Like, well?
jordan holmes
Look, it's true crime.
We could use swords for some things.
dan friesen
If ICE was fighting against King Guidero, then like we'd have a different conversation.
jordan holmes
It would be a different conversation.
It would be.
That's true.
dan friesen
So Alex has decided that he, there's some breaking news and he has exonerated ICE of any wrongdoing.
jordan holmes
Funny how that worked.
dan friesen
But he has not yet watched the news videos.
alex jones
That is how this just broke.
So it turns out DHS told the truth.
Didn't matter, Tim Walz.
All of them jumped the gun within minutes and said, no, it's George Floyd.
They murdered her.
No, here it is.
Breaking video shows the moment a woman tried to run over ICE agents with her vehicle in Minneapolis, resulting in her being shot.
And it goes on, them attacking them, throwing rocks at them, bottles, all of it.
Agents, so again, breaking video shows the moment a woman tried to run over ICE agents with her vehicle in Minneapolis, resulting in her being shot.
Tim Walz calling Ice Gestapo is exactly why this stuff happens.
Shame on Walls and Mayor Fry.
Fry said two weeks ago, ICE is going to be killed.
So you got crowds attacking people, doing their lawful duty, then them spinning when she got shot, saying they just killed her in cold blood.
Leftist out there on camera saying, oh, she was just innocent.
They just shot her for no reason.
Again, paid professional liars finally getting what they wanted to.
When you look at the faces of the people, once you've been shot, they look like it's Christmas.
These agitators are so happy.
They have apps the Democrats have set up.
Different cities like LA and others have rapid reaction forces to send these people out to harass them.
This is their plan.
Let's go to the footage from the start.
Here it is.
dan friesen
So Alex hasn't watched this at all.
And he's really, really going hard.
unidentified
Yep.
dan friesen
He's going super hard into this proves it.
Everything is proven.
ICE is great.
unidentified
Yep.
dan friesen
So then he plays the video.
alex jones
Oh, yeah.
That should.
unidentified
You don't do that.
dan friesen
They have not watched it in advance.
So they don't know.
unidentified
Why are they so stupid?
dan friesen
And almost immediately, him and Barnes both seem dazed and are like, uh-oh.
unidentified
Oh.
alex jones
Well, this is what they've been looking for.
We can't really see the footage from the agent's perspective, but it looks like he is in front of the vehicle when she does that.
Could you argue either way?
Did he overreact?
This is the hysteria, them throwing things, screaming at him, yelling at him.
They've been wanting this.
They've been waiting for this.
We'll have to get the body cam footage and the other angles, but this could go either way here, Barnes.
What do you think?
robert barnes
Yeah, I agree.
Because, yeah, I'm glad you re-showed that because that's what I was curious.
The angle, that particular camera angle, we don't have where the actual ICE officers are.
I assume these are ICE officers rather than people guarding ICE.
dan friesen
Seems to be a little bit taken aback.
You know, like, a little bit less.
jordan holmes
I'm glad you showed a different angle is not what you say whenever ice has been exonerated.
Everything they've said is true.
dan friesen
We're all good.
And then you watch the video and you're like, I think this could go either way.
alex jones
Yeah.
jordan holmes
That's downgrading it quite a bit.
dan friesen
That means this video looks really, really bad.
jordan holmes
You went from 100% certain to 50-50.
That's a real big drop.
alex jones
Yes.
jordan holmes
That's a big drop.
dan friesen
So the two of them are struggling to sit in this space where they're like, self-defense.
jordan holmes
I think we're against the government murdering people, but on the other hand, we're for the government murdering people.
dan friesen
It's could go either way.
alex jones
It looks like his hands are basically down while the shots are going off.
So we don't know who was out of camera angle there.
robert barnes
Right.
Yeah, I am wondering who was it that did that?
I'm thinking maybe it's the middle guy that pulled it that did the shot.
alex jones
No, to the left, if you go out and surround people and start ramming them and bashing their cars and throwing water bottles and rocks at them and screaming and all the rest of it, and then you got vehicles driving around.
It's not a safe place.
It's not safe to be doing that.
robert barnes
Oh, and my view is this is likely self-defense.
It's not quite as clear as it could be, I should say.
dan friesen
This is not this is bad.
Like Barnes, he's just sputtering.
Like, I don't want to say this is self-defense.
We were primed.
We were ready to defend this.
But now I'm seeing this, and I'm not going along with this.
This isn't as clear as I want it to be.
jordan holmes
I'll tell you this, Barnes.
Cochrane wasn't like, I don't know, this glove might fit.
You know, that wasn't how that worked.
dan friesen
This is such a betrayal of their own, like, oh, no.
jordan holmes
Their own self-image has been attacked.
dan friesen
They're seeing this video and they're like, oh, shit, we have to defend this.
jordan holmes
Not even we're cool with this.
dan friesen
Fucking hell, this is bad.
jordan holmes
Yeah.
I mean, that's a space that you can choose not to live in.
Struggling Narratives 00:09:29
unidentified
Yep.
jordan holmes
You can be like, oh, well, then I don't defend it.
dan friesen
Yeah.
Except when you play the types of games that someone like Alex does, someone like Barnes does, you do have to play those games because you don't have another choice.
The alternative is to like tell the audience the truth.
jordan holmes
The truth?
unidentified
Yeah.
jordan holmes
Well, we're going to do something for the first time ever, guys.
That's some fucking bullshit.
And you know what else?
Everything I've ever said is some fucking bullshit, too.
We got to stop this.
dan friesen
Now, there's another interesting thing that I think is going on that I want to call attention to, which is Alex's.
Once it's clear that Barnes has a little bit of reservation about this, and Alex kind of does too.
jordan holmes
On account of it's a murder.
dan friesen
Alex says, hey, there's a message to the left.
If you're going out there and you're throwing the bottles and all this stuff, you notice that he doesn't actually say then.
He doesn't finish the if-then statement because he never does.
jordan holmes
Well, the then statement is then it's okay for the government to murder you.
dan friesen
Yes, and it is right for them to.
jordan holmes
I will, as you can see right now, I will defend the government to all my InfoWars listeners, just to be clear.
If you are murdered by a nice person, because you might reasonably, having listened to Infowars for your entire life, decided that the government murdering people is wrong, and then they murder you, I will say they were right to do it.
Even though it's because of you listening to me that they did it.
dan friesen
And I think that there's something that goes through a lot of Alex's content that is this, I'm going to say the first part of the conditional statement, but I'm not going to say the second part.
Right.
Because your mind fills it in for you.
He never has to say the then part.
He only has to say the premise.
And your brain makes the conclusion for you.
unidentified
And then he doesn't have to take responsibility for it.
dan friesen
He's responsible for saying, if you do this, then the police should be able to kill you.
jordan holmes
Because maybe I was meaning to say something different.
You're the one who jumped to conclusions.
You obviously brought your own baggage to that as opposed to correctly looking at the situation and observing what I'm saying.
dan friesen
Yeah.
I think he does that a lot.
jordan holmes
Yeah, maybe.
dan friesen
So we have one last clip here.
And I think that it's because I want to leave with this impression.
These guys know what they're doing.
unidentified
Yeah.
alex jones
I hadn't seen him in the earlier video.
Now, I think it looks like he, the guy that was in front of the vehicle that she drove towards, is the shooter here, but we're not sure yet.
Well, they're going to definitely try to have a civil war over this.
They finally got something.
robert barnes
Yeah, yeah, yeah.
I mean, and they're going to keep building to this.
And that's where, I mean, the, I mean, we have to enforce the laws, and we can't, as you note, allow them to just hijack cities by threats of violence.
On the flip side, politically, you know, how Trump handles it in perception is going to matter too, because it's unfortunately the reality of it.
This is a narrative war as much as it is a digital war and an online war.
alex jones
Once he learns more, depending on what the facts are, he's just saying, very sad they attack everybody.
Very sad, it's bedlam and insane.
So terrible they shot up all these ice facilities and shot up the vans and killed these agents over here and did all this and just show a reel of their violence for like five minutes and say this is and show MSNBC headlines.
We need blood.
We need to get in their faces till they kill one of us.
Then we have a pretext.
What's crazy is they admit the podesta plan that, and they admit in all these shows, this is what they want.
It's so crazy.
So I just think Trump points out they're the ones that wanted this.
They're the ones that pushed this.
dan friesen
These guys are very clearly struggling with having just watched this video live on air and needing to make it fit the narrative that they're required to sell.
On its face, this video is a murder.
You can't watch it and come away with the impression that it was probably cool and justified.
You need motivated reasoning to reach that conclusion.
The narrative game that Alex had chosen to play was totally fine until that video came out.
But now the story runs counter to what you would instinctually feel from watching that tape.
And Alex just played it live on the show.
You could hear it so clearly in Barnes.
He knows what his job demands of him, but he's viscerally uncomfortable with having to show a video and tell the audience that their eyes are lying to them.
The Infowars narrative had already been set, and then the video plays, and it's not as clear as Barnes thought, which is fucking uncomfortable.
But keep in mind, this is all just rhetorical narrative games, and Barnes knows that.
He and Alex both thought that they could take this one head on and try to sell the story that this was an unhinged Antifa protester who got killed because she was ramming her car into ICE vehicles.
But once that video was seen, they knew they couldn't do that and they needed to retreat to narrative.
Now it really doesn't matter what happened in this specific instance.
Trump needs to play videos of unrelated instances of ICE being attacked.
They don't want to argue about the specific details of the shooting and how it unfolded because they just watched the video and they're pretty sure it's going to be bad.
So now the shooting can really only be understood as part of a long line of events.
Sure, maybe the shooting was bad, but it happened because the left and Antifa forced ICE to act like this.
Maybe the shooting wasn't self-defense, but if you look at the big picture, it totally was.
This is the information war, and Barnes and Alex both fully understand their part in it.
In the moment when they've been forced to watch a woman be killed in the street and they then have to turn around and defend it, you can see how eager Alex is to do his job.
Barnes is mildly uncomfortable and he sounds kind of like, I don't want to do this.
But Alex is a fucking monster and he jumps in without looking both feet down.
jordan holmes
Moved on like it.
dan friesen
Yeah.
He's eager for it and he knows he does not have moral compunction, which is kind of glaring in the presence of Barnes.
jordan holmes
He's like, yeah, it does put into stark relief that my estimation of Barnes goes no higher.
dan friesen
No.
jordan holmes
But my estimation of Alex is more like, he is actually a legitimate psychopath.
Like that is, that's some shit that you only see when serial killers are like, yeah, I'd show up at their funeral.
Like that's how fucked up that is.
dan friesen
I'm fucked.
Yeah.
jordan holmes
Yep.
dan friesen
And I think that it's important to recognize this dynamic that is the like, oh yeah, this is all totally fine.
Oh no, it's not.
unidentified
Yep.
dan friesen
Let's turn it into a piece of this other narrative.
And, you know, like this dynamic is not sincere.
jordan holmes
Yeah.
dan friesen
It is not somebody who is dealing with facts as they arrive to them.
It is somebody who is trying to spin the actions of a power for its like he is a tendril of the state.
That's basically the only way to and he has to know, he has to understand that that is his existence.
jordan holmes
There's no way to see that and not right.
Like I just watched a person get murdered and now I'm going to say, well, it's because the left throws rocks sometimes.
unidentified
Yeah.
jordan holmes
Yeah.
dan friesen
And there's no way to go from this like, oh, totally justified.
Everything's cool.
Is a ramming, all this stuff, to like, it could go either way.
unidentified
Yeah.
dan friesen
Unless you are really desperate to not go past, it could go either way.
jordan holmes
Yeah, I mean, the most it could go either way is that is you admitting, oh shit, that's a murder.
Yeah.
I mean, that is as close to them going, fuck, that's a murder as we're ever going to get.
dan friesen
Yep.
So we'll get back with another episode and get more into Alex's reaction and more of this as it evolves.
But I think that that moment for them is something that is resonant.
And fuck them.
jordan holmes
If I was ever in that moment, it would be the single worst thing to know that it was recorded and other people could see it.
Like if I could show, if it was unavoidable for people to see me revealing how fucking fucked I am.
Like truly, like if I saw that video and then Bobby Barnes came into like a store, I'd be like, hey, get the fuck out of here.
Get the fuck out.
Go.
unidentified
Go.
dan friesen
Yeah.
jordan holmes
Well, I mean, if there's any way to exile somebody or to shun them with as much visceral hatred as I can possibly give, those two people, after having seen that clip, get it.
dan friesen
My only reaction was that like Alex is worse.
But then I realized, don't even say that.
Who gives a shit?
jordan holmes
Yeah, no, I'd fucking.
dan friesen
I bet that's not worth our time.
jordan holmes
If our Mendoza line is Barnes, believe me, Alex is under it.
dan friesen
Fuck this.
Fuck these guys.
unidentified
Yep.
dan friesen
And unfortunately, the conversation will continue.
But until then, we have a website.
jordan holmes
Indeed, we do.
It's knownledgefight.com.
unidentified
Yep.
dan friesen
We'll be back.
But until then, I'm Neo.
I'm Leo.
I'm DZX Clark.
I am the mysterious professor.
jordan holmes
And now here comes the sex robot.
alex jones
Andy in Kansas.
You're on the air.
Thanks for holding.
unidentified
Hello, Alex.
I'm a first-time caller.
I'm a huge fan.
jordan holmes
I love your work.
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