#741: December 2, 2015
Today, Dan and Jordan deal with Alex's absence from the studio by going back and finally covering something they had forgotten they never covered: the time that Donald Trump came on Infowars. Citations
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I'm sick of them posing as if they're the good guys, saying we are the bad guys. | |
| Knowledge fight. | ||
| Man and George. | ||
| Knowledge. | ||
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Fight. | |
| Riddler. | ||
| I need money. | ||
| Riddler. | ||
| Andy in Kansas. | ||
| Andy in Kansas. | ||
| Stop it. | ||
| Andy in Kansas. | ||
| It's time to pray. | ||
| Andy in Kansas. | ||
| I'm a huge fan. | ||
| I love your room. | ||
| Knowledge Fight. | ||
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Knowledge Fight dot com. | |
| I love you. | ||
| Hey, everybody. | ||
| Welcome back to Knowledge Fight. | ||
| I'm Dan. | ||
| I'm Jordan. | ||
| We're a couple dudes like to sit around, worship at the altar of Selene, and talk just a little bit about Alex Jones. | ||
| Oh, indeed we are, Dan. | ||
| Jordan. | ||
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Dan. | |
| Jordan. | ||
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I have a quick question for you, sir. | |
| What's up? | ||
| What is your bright spot today? | ||
| My bright spot today, Jordan, is I went to get a haircut since our last episode. | ||
| Looks great. | ||
| Thank you. | ||
| It really does. | ||
| That is not the bright spot. | ||
| Oh, but it's my bright spot. | ||
| Although it's not bad. | ||
| Looking at it? | ||
| Yeah. | ||
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My bright spot. | |
| Guy did a pretty good job. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| But after I'd gotten the haircut, they kept to clean up the hair that's on the ground, right? | ||
| And so I see this guy, and he's sweeping, and then he pulls out one of those caddies, the duster, the dustbin, that's on a little stick. | ||
| You know what I'm talking about. | ||
| I understand what you're talking about. | ||
| Just look at this. | ||
| This is amazing. | ||
| I saw that, and I thought to myself... | ||
| I would love one of those, but you can't have one. | ||
| Those are only for businesses. | ||
| I can't tell you how many times I've thought that exact same thing. | ||
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Yeah, totally! | |
| Those aren't allowed in houses. | ||
| No, you can't have it! | ||
| I think of that all the time. | ||
| Yeah, and so for a moment I was like, yeah, that would be great. | ||
| But then I realized, no, you can't. | ||
| You can buy one. | ||
| Yeah, totally. | ||
| So I ordered one. | ||
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Thanks! | |
| It's on the way. | ||
| I like it. | ||
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Yeah. | |
| Because I remember back when I used to work at a movie theater, and it was always so much easier to clean the floors at the movie theater than it is at home. | ||
| And I realized the reason why is it is so awful to bend down with the dustpan. | ||
| It's awful. | ||
| Or it's a real hassle to sweep up a pile and then get out the vacuum and vacuum that up. | ||
| But you have that dustpan on a stick. | ||
| On the swivel thing? | ||
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Yeah. | |
| Yeah, that's the stuff. | ||
| Yep. | ||
| So I have breached the... | ||
| Universal law that those can only be at businesses. | ||
| I do appreciate the idea that I have never once considered one of them. | ||
| I have been bending down like an idiot with one of those triangle asses. | ||
| What am I doing? | ||
| We have simple machines all over the place. | ||
| I have a computer. | ||
| Why am I using a dustpan? | ||
|
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Insane. | |
| We both have that. | ||
| I think that probably a lot of people listening will recognize that they had that exact same thought. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| But yeah, I think I'm not well off enough to get a robot, one of those, whatever those are called, the beep boop things that go around. | ||
| The beep boop things. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| Cleaning robot, not in the cards, but dustpan on a stick. | ||
| We can do that. | ||
| Yeah, that's doable. | ||
| So what about you? | ||
| What's your bright spot? | ||
| My bright spot is the British game show Only Connect. | ||
| So it's like a trivia show, right? | ||
| But you have to know an absurd amount of trivia. | ||
| But what's interesting about the game is that it's about finding the connections between things. | ||
| So they'll give you like a clue and then they'll give you another clue and they'll have to figure out what connects all four of these things. | ||
| So that impulse that so many people have towards making up connections, you know, our brains are wired to find connections even if they aren't there. | ||
| It can be used for good to find out weird, strange things. | ||
| Like they might play four songs and you'll be like, oh, in Greek, these all start with an I. Like it's that kind. | ||
| Yeah, yeah. | ||
| How specific you have to be to combine those things. | ||
| And it'd just be like three pop songs, and only an insane person would be like, well, obviously, you translate the title to Greek. | ||
| And then if you do that, you can see that all four of these are the same thing. | ||
| Duh. | ||
| That sounds like a fun show. | ||
| It's really interesting. | ||
| I enjoy it. | ||
| Yeah, give it a shot. | ||
| I need something to fill that hole of contraption master. | ||
| Yeah, yeah, yeah. | ||
| Now I've watched all of that. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| Cool. | ||
| Yeah, it's great fun. | ||
| So, Jordan, today we've got an episode to go over. | ||
| We've got some business to take care of. | ||
| But first, I have a question for you. | ||
| What does Alex Jones have in common with Audrey Hepburn in 1953? | ||
| I'm going to go with permanent vacation? | ||
| He's on a Roman holiday. | ||
| Damn it! | ||
| Wait, is he in Rome? | ||
| I don't know. | ||
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That'd be fun. | |
| He's on a holiday, though, so close enough. | ||
| Well, I was either going to say that or breakfast at Tiffany's. | ||
| He's probably having breakfast somewhere. | ||
| But, yeah, he's on vacation. | ||
| Much like Jim Jarmusch in 1980. | ||
| But I already used that one privately. | ||
| Or Chevy Chase. | ||
| 1980s? | ||
| Somewhere around there? | ||
| Family vacation? | ||
| You got it. | ||
| National Lamborghini? | ||
| Well, I assume he's taking his family. | ||
| Maybe. | ||
| Yeah, that's actually a good point. | ||
| Are lawyers part of your family? | ||
| He could just be. | ||
| He's in hiding. | ||
| I think that there's something infinitely frustrating about Alex not being on air, but I actually think it's the best thing for him, and I don't... | ||
| Big picture, and for the world, I think it's exactly what needs to happen. | ||
| Yeah, it's great. | ||
| He clearly could not stop himself from further defaming people involved in the Sandy Hook lawsuits, saying that maybe Sandy Hook was fake. | ||
| He could not stop himself from doing that at all. | ||
| He clearly has a lot of business he needs to take care of with his lawyers vis-a-vis the cases that have already happened, the illusions about the appeal, the bankruptcy process. | ||
| All of this stuff clearly requires a ton. | ||
| A lot of business. | ||
| And he's only going to make things worse for himself if he's on air. | ||
| So, I mean, he doesn't have a deep bench. | ||
| There's not a lot of people that can fill in. | ||
| You can clearly see the drop-off in viewership on band.video if you see the episodes where Owen's hosting as opposed to Alex. | ||
| It's unfortunate. | ||
| There are some knocks that are going to come. | ||
| You know, it is what needs to happen, probably. | ||
| See, this is when you need a big name signing, you know? | ||
| This is like when Alex needs to go out and get a, you know, like he can't get a star, but get somebody on the rise that has some of that... | ||
| You know, some of that zhuzh. | ||
| Because Owen's not going to do it. | ||
| Well, here's actually, I think, probably where you regret not paying Roger Stone during the downtime. | ||
| That's a good point. | ||
| You know what I mean? | ||
| That's a good point. | ||
| He's gone on to, like, frank speech. | ||
| And I think, last I heard, I believe he's streaming on Nick Fuentes' platform. | ||
| Ooh, damn. | ||
| Stone is the devil. | ||
| But Stone could be the type of person that you maybe get to fill in here. | ||
| Maybe he has enough cachet. | ||
| Right. | ||
| But yeah, I think Alex didn't do enough maintenance of their relationship, and now he's gone off to other places as his primary... | ||
| Yeah, yeah. | ||
| Well, here's what I'm pitching you. | ||
| Here's what we'll do, okay? | ||
| If I'm Alex, I'm throwing it to the four winds, and I'm saying... | ||
| I will open the pocketbook for a Stone Pachanek two-man show. | ||
| Every day. | ||
| Three hours. | ||
| Stone and Steve getting it done. | ||
| I would actually, I mean, look, this couldn't take the place of the Alex show. | ||
| No, of course not. | ||
| Of course not. | ||
| Absolutely not. | ||
| I think that a good show would be Norm and Barnes. | ||
| But only if they actively and openly hate each other as much as they apparently do. | ||
| That would be good. | ||
| Like, if it was just the two of them yelling at each other. | ||
| Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. | ||
| I think that could be fun. | ||
| Like one of those sports argument shows, but it's just the two of them and it's about their personal lives. | ||
| Like, they're just their grievances towards each other. | ||
| Or Norm Pattis' comedy workshop. | ||
| I think it would be fun. | ||
| Him just talking about jokes he's working on. | ||
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I think that actually could be fun. | |
| He's been tweeting a lot about Kanye lately. | ||
| Oh my god. | ||
| And I can't, I can barely fight the urge to write like, oh, he should have got woke insurance. | ||
| Something like that. | ||
| Just tweet at him. | ||
| But I can't engage. | ||
| But it's the perfect time where woke insurance would be. | ||
| It is the moment where woke insurance would have come in handy. | ||
| How's he not doing a callback? | ||
| Had Norm sold Kanye woke insurance, Norm would own Parler. | ||
| That's how big of a claim he's got right there. | ||
| So, yeah, we're in a situation where Alex is still out of studio, so we have to find things to do. | ||
| Excellent. | ||
| And I found something, and we'll get down to business on that before. | ||
| That, though, let's say hello to some new wonks. | ||
| Oh, that's a great idea. | ||
| So first, Melissa, okay, thank you so much. | ||
| You are now a policy wonk. | ||
| I'm a policy wonk. | ||
| Thank you very much! | ||
| Thank you. | ||
| Next, Hunter the Party-Eyed Husky. | ||
| Thank you so much. | ||
| You are now a policy wonk. | ||
| I'm a policy wonk. | ||
| Thank you very much! | ||
| Thank you. | ||
| Next, Think Team. | ||
| Think. | ||
| Thank you so much. | ||
| You are now a policy wonk. | ||
| I'm a policy wonk. | ||
| Thank you very much! | ||
| Next, The Foundation to Repair Alex Jones' Daughter's Broken Dreams. | ||
| Thank you so much. | ||
| You are now a policy wonk. | ||
| I'm a policy wonk. | ||
| Thank you very much! | ||
| For just 30 cents a day, you can send someone to a water park. | ||
| I was gonna say, I feel like there's just an image of an empty pond with no one fishing at any moment now. | ||
| This next person gave me a phonetic spelling, but it doesn't help. | ||
| Let me ask you this. | ||
| How do you pronounce C-H-K-A? | ||
| C-H-K-A. | ||
| See? | ||
| It doesn't help phonetically. | ||
| What is the phonetic? | ||
| I do appreciate... | ||
| Anyway, happy anniversary, Anichka. | ||
| Thank you so much, you are now a policy wonk. | ||
| I'm a policy wonk. | ||
| Thank you very much! | ||
| And Samuel Fisher, pleasant surprise time bomb. | ||
| Thank you so much, you are now a policy wonk. | ||
| I'm a policy wonk. | ||
| Thank you very much. | ||
| Hey, we had a technocrat in the mix, Jordan. | ||
| So, thank you so much to Joe from Oregon. | ||
| Thanks, Jordan, and I are fucking amazing, and I accept this well-earned compliment. | ||
| Thank you so much. | ||
| You are now a technocrat. | ||
| I'm a policy wonk. | ||
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Four stars. | |
| Go home to your mother and tell her you're brilliant. | ||
| Someone, someone, sodomite, sent me a bucket of poop. | ||
| Daddy Shark. | ||
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Bomp, bomp, bomp, bomp, bomp. | |
| Jar Jar Binks has a Caribbean black accent. | ||
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He's a loser little, little titty baby. | |
| I don't want to hate black people. | ||
| I renounce Jesus Christ! | ||
| Thank you so much, you sneaky snake. | ||
| Yes, thank you very much. | ||
| For me to compliment myself. | ||
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Did they force us to accept a compliment? | |
| I feel like that is one of the ultimate third rails of our show. | ||
| It's conflicting. | ||
| Yes. | ||
| But thank you all the same. | ||
| Yes. | ||
| So Jordan, it's come to my attention that... | ||
| Though we talked a lot about Alex's path towards Trump, certainly we did a number of episodes about it through the 2015 stretch, we never actually covered Trump's interview on Alex's show. | ||
| I believe, it wasn't the rationale at the time like, it really wasn't that interesting. | ||
| It wasn't as interesting to the path. | ||
| Oh, yeah. | ||
| Supporting Trump. | ||
| Right. | ||
| The thesis. | ||
| Yes. | ||
| There was that. | ||
| And then at that time on our show, you had this standing policy of never listening to Trump's voice. | ||
| And so there was also a part of it that was like... | ||
| I don't want to make Jordan listen to this. | ||
| It's going to be a lot. | ||
| Yeah, and so that was something that was never covered. | ||
| Well, we're there. | ||
| Now, 740 episodes in, maybe, you know, as Alex is on vacation, it might be time to look back. | ||
| I think it's a great idea. | ||
| And take a peek at this. | ||
| I will say I turned off this episode at a certain point. | ||
| That's fair. | ||
| And that is because there's a bit of bullshit. | ||
| There's the Trump interview. | ||
| There's some other bullshit. | ||
| And then Alex is like, I'm going to interview Lord Moncton. | ||
| And I said, click. | ||
| No thank you. | ||
| No thank you. | ||
| I'm not really all that interested in that weirdo. | ||
| I mean, it's just going to be like, oh, climate change isn't real. | ||
| Look at me, I'm weird. | ||
| Yeah, on the day today that the UN has put out a report being like, remember when we said 2030? | ||
| It's now tomorrow 30. Faster! | ||
| I don't want to hear somebody deny climate change. | ||
| You know how we said 2030? | ||
| That was actually military time. | ||
| That's what we were talking about. | ||
| 8.30 tonight! | ||
| So yeah, Lord Moncton can go parachute back into a UN conference for a publicity stunt. | ||
| Get the fuck out of here. | ||
| But we are going to take a little bit of time to look at this episode. | ||
| So one of the things that's really fun is that at the beginning of the episode, Alex will not say who the guest is. | ||
| Okay. | ||
| He's got a big guest. | ||
| And he really prepared for this. | ||
| And I don't normally spend three hours writing questions like I did last night. | ||
| And I knew last week this interview was supposedly happening today, but as it neared and as we talked to his people and as all of it got set up, it got pretty exciting. | ||
| But I'm going to let the Drudge Report tell folks in about 15 minutes who's coming on the show. | ||
| Another thing is Skype testing on the road is always a hassle, so that's going on right now as we speak with them. | ||
| So I'd rather be in there monkeying around with that to make sure it all happens, because the bigger the interview, the more gremlin snafus tend to get in the way. | ||
| But that's not something I'm particularly worried about here today. | ||
| But this will be an important interview, not just for this broadcast, the Liberty Movement, but the questions that will be asked are going to be very, very important and will definitely have an effect on a lot of things happening on the planet. | ||
| Gremlin snafus. | ||
| You don't want any gremlin snafus. | ||
| No, certainly not. | ||
| Now. | ||
| That's so much worse than a regular snafu. | ||
| Yeah, you do want gremlins to snafus. | ||
| That's slightly funnier. | ||
| You want the gremlins to commit snafus. | ||
| Yes, absolutely. | ||
| You want their situation that was normal to be all fucked up. | ||
| Yeah, they need to become like spiders. | ||
| So, he's not saying who the interview is. | ||
| No. | ||
| But it's big. | ||
| We know. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| And Alex knows, obviously. | ||
| Of course. | ||
| He spent so much time preparing. | ||
| Three hours preparing. | ||
| What could you possibly think of in terms of questions for Donald Trump in an hour that you wouldn't have in three hours? | ||
| Do you know what I'm saying? | ||
| The end result is not three hours of preparation. | ||
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No, no. | |
| Not any preparation. | ||
| No. | ||
| But here's where things get a little bit shady. | ||
| Pretty quick, as it turns out. | ||
| All, or at least almost all, of the headlines that Alex covers in the lead-up to before the interview happens are about how great Trump is. | ||
| Of course they are. | ||
| Of course they are. | ||
| Here is one of them. | ||
| Trump was right. | ||
| Video describes how Jersey City Muslims held pre-planned 9-11 rooftop celebrations. | ||
| I remember this at the time, so I actually had the crew go dig around. | ||
| We found a Washington Post about it first. | ||
| Trump tweeted it last weekend. | ||
| So Trump was not vindicated on this, but we'll get to that a little bit later. | ||
| But yeah, that's one of the big news items of the day. | ||
| This is being presented without the context of Trump will be on later. | ||
| This is just the news. | ||
| This is what happens to be in the news. | ||
| That is almost like a winking Easter egg. | ||
| While at the same time being so sycophantic that it is, like, it hurts. | ||
| Like, it hurts my heart. | ||
| And it's not the only headline, Trump-wise. | ||
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Uh-oh. | |
| Donald Trump dares to say that Turkey looks like they're on the side of ISIS. | ||
| Well, it's been proven. | ||
| Okay, well, here's another headline. | ||
| Turkey's working with ISIS and Trump has proven it. | ||
| Trump is right about it? | ||
| Or it's been proven and Trump is right, yeah. | ||
| In case you were wondering, Trump is right about everything. | ||
| Uh-huh, uh-huh. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| So we got a show. | ||
| Quite a setup. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| You know, we've got Trump is going to be coming on, although, you know, this isn't going to be... | ||
| Teasing a big guest. | ||
| Sure. | ||
| The ditty door, metaphorically speaking, is on watch, is what we're saying right here. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| And David Knight is going to be hosting the fourth hour. | ||
| And you better believe. | ||
| He's going to be talking about this interview on the fourth hour. | ||
| Absolutely. | ||
| We've got to tease the fourth hour that we'll be talking about the interview that we're about to do. | ||
| That's too crazy. | ||
| David Knight will be hosting in the fourth hour today, and I will assure you he will be talking about the guests we have joining us in about 17 minutes from now. | ||
| That will be the fourth hour. | ||
| We'll be re-airing parts of the interview and obviously covering news coverage of the interview. | ||
| That is coming up. | ||
| And at the start of the next segment, I will tell you, well, I will direct you to DrudgeReport.com here in the next six, seven minutes with a link that will take you to the audio and video feed where you can obviously see and hear that interview and share that link with friends and family so they can tune in and hear what's talked about. | ||
| Because it's not just going to be a big interview because this... | ||
| Person's basically the biggest interview you can get in the world right now. | ||
| It's because this individual will be on this show. | ||
| And so it's like a chemistry set. | ||
| You add those two ingredients together. | ||
| It's called explosive. | ||
| And the individual coming on knows full well that's why this is being done. | ||
| So we're doing this to be explosive. | ||
| Cool. | ||
| But also, this is preemptively offensively navel-gazy. | ||
| Yeah! | ||
| We haven't done the interview yet. | ||
| Right. | ||
| But holy shit, will we be covering the people responding to the interview that we're about to do? | ||
| Yeah, you know, I mean, I feel like what we're listening to would, if it weren't Trump, be so full of shit. | ||
| You know, like, fine, I get it. | ||
| Stop your window. | ||
| Pull the windows down. | ||
| Tell everybody to turn it to Infowars. | ||
| Get on it right there. | ||
| Alex has certainly done that in lesser contexts before. | ||
| But because this is Trump, I think what it is is so... | ||
| Very clear how these two know how to game the media for their own... | ||
| I mean, it's just so obvious to the point... | ||
| It's crass. | ||
| It's obvious and crass, but to the point where Alex has already got the headlines written that they're going to write. | ||
| This is one of those few moments where Trump and Alex both were like, we're going to do this, and then... | ||
| You write the headlines before they're dropped. | ||
| They're going to be what you think they're going to be. | ||
| Yeah, there's a media savviness to it that they're clearly indicating awareness of. | ||
| Yeah, yeah, yeah. | ||
| I'm fascinated by the way that Alex seems to be reassuring the audience that they will cover the coverage of their own... | ||
| Yeah, it's... | ||
| Yeah, no shit. | ||
| Yeah, we're not gonna cut away. | ||
| That's why you're doing this. | ||
| But also... | ||
| Shouldn't we be more interested in the interview itself as opposed to David Knight covering the backlash to the interview? | ||
| I think it would be a situation where if that was the interview happening on 9-11, David Knight would still cover the interview and not... | ||
| Well, it seems like they have equal measure. | ||
| There's equal weight to the interview itself and how people are going to respond to the interview. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| Prior to the interview happening, that's a strange way to be entering things. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| But it is so clear, though, that they're like, no one cares what we say. | ||
| This is not about we're going to say something of any value. | ||
| What's real is you're on this show, and by doing that, we know what's going to happen. | ||
| People are going to respond, and it's going to be explosive. | ||
| Exactly. | ||
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Yeah. | |
| So Trump's ahead in the polls, and also all these headlines, like I said. | ||
| All just Trump headlines. | ||
| Well, there's the headline at DrugsReport.com. | ||
| If you're a TV viewer, radio listener, go to DrugsReport.com. | ||
| 60 days to Iowa, Trump dominates in every major poll. | ||
| Despite the fact that we're seeing push polls and headlines saying Trump's lead drops. | ||
| We just keep hearing that for the last few months. | ||
| This is a clear attempt to drive down. | ||
| His poll numbers. | ||
| And that's why he keeps surging in the polls. | ||
| This is maybe sketchy when you know that Trump is about to come on the show and you're not disclosing that while you cover this as news. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| That seems like a full disclosure kind of thing you need to... | ||
| Right. | ||
| I don't know. | ||
| I find this to be a little weird. | ||
| If we were talking about a real news show, if they were to do this, it would be disgraceful. | ||
| Well, they might not have to mention, like, hey, also, this person's coming up. | ||
| But you'd think that the interview would be advertised so everyone tuning in would know that the person was going to be on the show. | ||
| Right. | ||
| Because otherwise, this feels like, apropos of nothing, here's all these great Trump headlines. | ||
| But that's what's so clear about it, though, is, again, they know that nothing about what they say is going to have... | ||
| What do we have to say? | ||
| We don't have words that make sense to each other. | ||
| We're just going to go, blah! | ||
| At each other. | ||
| And then what's important, though, is that people are going to say stuff about it. | ||
| There is a little bit less blah than you think, probably. | ||
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Oh, interesting. | |
| Well, I think that we have a 2022 understanding of Trump and his communication. | ||
| And it is really bizarre to see this in 2015. | ||
| He does communicate a bit more coherently. | ||
| Interesting. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| He was a little bit all over the place still. | ||
| There's a speediness to his... | ||
| And some disconnected thoughts and what have you. | ||
| But like... | ||
| Compared to what you see at these rallies now, it's quite different. | ||
| You know, being president does take its toll on everybody. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| It manifests in different ways. | ||
| So, the news has broken of Alex's interview. | ||
| He's given the exclusive to the Drudge Report. | ||
| Because, of course. | ||
| Of course. | ||
| Now, if you go to DrudgeReport.com, right up in the left-hand side, right there, corner. | ||
| Trump set for Alex Jones Radio developing. | ||
| And Donald Trump is scheduled to be on with us. | ||
| We're connecting here in about five minutes at Trump Tower in New York City to be joining us live on air. | ||
| And DrudgeReport.com in the upper left-hand corner has that link. | ||
| So yeah, the news of the interview is as important as the interview. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| It's a very strange dynamic. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| I mean, but that's... | ||
| That's one of those things where if it's so obvious what they want, I feel like the entire media structure has to be like, no. | ||
| No. | ||
| You know, everybody has to agree that this is just, we're not going to be treated like this, you know? | ||
| Because if they're going to exploit you, so obviously they're going to say it on air before you do the thing that they're going to make you do, then fucking, you're the loser! | ||
| You're the mark! | ||
| But to me, that is such a difficult line. | ||
| Because, like, I know what you're saying, but at the same time, how do you not bring up that someone who is running for president was on fucking Infowars? | ||
| You know, like, how do you not cover that? | ||
| It's the same thing, like, for us, where, like, Marjorie Taylor Greene was on with Alex. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
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And it's like, oh, this is stupid. | |
| And it's obviously, like, a ploy for attention and what have you. | ||
| Right. | ||
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How do you not talk about a very violently rhetorical member of Congress is... | |
| Right. | ||
| And now with some marginal regularity on Infowars. | ||
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| That is relevant. | ||
| But yeah, it's the, how do you talk about this stuff without playing into the game of giving them the attention that they so clearly are desperately seeking? | ||
| Desperately seeking. | ||
| And I'm not sure exactly what you do, but you can do that. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| I don't think that coverage of Alex having Trump on necessarily... | ||
| Achieve that. | ||
| No, no, let's say that as far as the past is concerned, no one's getting off light. | ||
| You know, like, let's not worry too much about exact apportion, and let's just say that everything that happened over the past, say, ten years, we all need to fix some shit. | ||
| Some get off lighter than others, but yeah. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| So, Alex introduces Trump, and boy, it's a bit ass kissy, but if you pay attention... | ||
| It feels a little bit like the way that Alex can talk about Trump is really about me. | ||
| This is about myself. | ||
| Of course. | ||
| Donald Trump is our guest, ladies and gentlemen, for the next 30 minutes or so. | ||
| And obviously, he is a maverick. | ||
| He's an original. | ||
| He tells it like it is. | ||
| Doesn't read off a teleprompter. | ||
| Neither do I. He's self-made. | ||
| This whole media operation that reaches 20 million people a week worldwide, conservatively self-made. | ||
| That's why I'm so excited. | ||
| And he joins us from Trump Tower. | ||
| In New York City, he is the leading 2016 Republican presidential contender. | ||
| Donald Trump, again, joins us. | ||
| And I've got so many questions. | ||
| But first off, Donald, thank you for joining us. | ||
| Thank you, Alex. | ||
| Great. | ||
| Great to be with you. | ||
| Great. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| Great. | ||
| Great. | ||
| It's great stuff. | ||
| Yeah, the way in to talk about Trump's achievements is like, they're also similar to the achievements of me. | ||
| There's only one way to say this guy's great. | ||
| I'm great. | ||
| And this is why I'm excited to talk to him, because he reminds me of me. | ||
| He's like an old me! | ||
| He doesn't talk to teleprompters, neither do I. He's self-made. | ||
| Not really. | ||
| And so am I. Not really. | ||
| Again, not really, yes. | ||
| We both pretend to be self-made and we both talk a lot of shit. | ||
| We're both malignant narcissists. | ||
| It's fun. | ||
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| So, we get into this interview by talking about the ways in which Trump was vindicated. | ||
| And, of course, we talked about the celebrations of 9-11. | ||
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Sure. | |
| And this comes up. | ||
| And it's just all a load of shit. | ||
| So I knew it happened and I held my line and people wanted me to apologize and we can't do that. | ||
| People like you and I can't do that so easily. | ||
| Now, we can do it if we're wrong, Alex. | ||
| You apologize. | ||
| I'd apologize if I was wrong. | ||
| But they were celebrating and they were celebrating the fall of the World Trade Center. | ||
| I think that's disgraceful. | ||
| It is. | ||
| And that same week you were reporting on that fact. | ||
| We had two different international football games, soccer games, with the Turkish fans and others during the moment of silence for the dead people in Paris chanting Allah Akbar and booing. | ||
| So did that not happen too? | ||
| Well, that happened, and everybody saw it. | ||
| That was a week ago, and the players were out on the field, and they couldn't believe it. | ||
| They were embarrassed. | ||
| They didn't know what to do. | ||
| The coach and the managers, they all apologized, but it happened. | ||
| Look, we have to deal with reality. | ||
| And, you know, it all started because they said, we need surveillance. | ||
| We need proper surveillance. | ||
| We have people that truly are evil, and they're coming from someplace, and you know sort of where they're coming from, at least the vicinity. | ||
| And I said, we need proper surveillance. | ||
| Whether it's a mosque or anyplace else, we have to be surveilled, and we have to see what's coming at us. | ||
| Trump was not vindicated in his claims, and people booing at a soccer game were saying Al-Akbar has nothing to do with the claims that he made, so leave that aside. | ||
| That's basically a non-sequitur here. | ||
| Inexplicable. | ||
| And if you want to say, like, during a moment of silence people shouldn't yell anything, then that's fine. | ||
| Making it a little bit targeted here. | ||
| A little bit. | ||
| So what happened was that Trump said something completely inaccurate, and then instead of admitting that he was wrong, he pretended he'd made a completely different claim altogether. | ||
| He'd initially said, quote, I watched when the World Trade Center came tumbling down, and I watched in Jersey City, New Jersey, where thousands and thousands of people were cheering as the building was coming down. | ||
| Thousands of people were cheering. | ||
| So something's going on. | ||
| We've got to find out what it is. | ||
| A Washington Post article from around 9-11 does mention unverified claims of small amounts of people allegedly celebrating on a rooftop, but there's no video evidence of this ever happening. | ||
| Reporters have estimated that it was maybe 6 to 12 teenagers, quote, but even that is doubtful. | ||
| That could be what he's talking about, but he said he saw a video. | ||
| Anyway, at this point, when Alex is interviewing him, the goalposts have completely moved, and now Trump is declaring that he was correct because someone found video of Palestinians celebrating in the occupied West Bank. | ||
| This is not what Trump had claimed and what people were saying he was making up. | ||
| This is the state of things at this point, and Trump is not at all vindicated. | ||
| Also, Alex should be really against Trump's idea of surveilling mosques. | ||
| That seems wildly against Alex's principles about freedom of religion and the Fourth Amendment, but I guess he doesn't really care about those things too much when the group being targeted is someone other than himself. | ||
| And you have Trump essentially arguing for increased surveillance in a way that Alex would... | ||
| Decry as tyranny in any other context. | ||
| And instead of giving any pushback, he's just right along with Trump in it. | ||
| And that's... | ||
| He should have stayed up four hours preparing his questions and maybe stealing his resolve to be able to push back in this setting. | ||
| You know, whenever I hear Trump speak, I feel like... | ||
| What I'm experiencing is like a test for a time traveler. | ||
| Like, here's what happened, okay? | ||
| A time traveler went back in time and saw Trump talk, and he was like, well, there's no reason to worry about this asshole. | ||
| This guy's clearly not going to cause problems. | ||
| He's just a moron. | ||
| Everybody will be able to see through such clear bullshit. | ||
| Everyone can see through clear bullshit. | ||
| It's transparent. | ||
| Right? | ||
| But then he goes back to the future and it turns out Trump did everything that he did. | ||
| So they let it stay as a training exercise for all future time traveler interventions. | ||
| So they're like, listen, here's what you think. | ||
| You think this guy can't hurt you. | ||
| They can. | ||
| That's why we time travel. | ||
| Fuck these time travelers, man. | ||
| What are they doing? | ||
| I don't know. | ||
| I didn't start the agency, man. | ||
| They need to go back in time and fix this. | ||
| Stop this training exercise. | ||
| They need to go back in time. | ||
| But then they'd have to make another training exercise. | ||
| That's the problem with fucking around with time. | ||
| I know. | ||
| So what do you think Trump thinks the number one problem is in the country? | ||
| Oh my god. | ||
| I mean, it's got to be immigration or borders or something like that. | ||
| It's kind of related to that. | ||
| But it's essentially that Muslims want to blow up cities. | ||
| There you go. | ||
| You know, you look at what's going on. | ||
| You have a president that doesn't even want to talk about, you know, the radical Muslim stuff. | ||
| He doesn't want to mention the word. | ||
| He doesn't want to say it. | ||
| But you look at what's happening where we have a president that's over there celebrating global warming and trying to get everybody excited about global warming. | ||
| Like, that's our number one problem. | ||
| He considers that to be our number one problem. | ||
| And our number one problem is what's going on where they want to blow up our cities and they want to blow up our country. | ||
| That's our number one problem. | ||
| And then our number two problem is Crippled America, your number one New York Times bestseller. | ||
| We're going to talk about that in a few minutes. | ||
| Wait, his book is our number two problem? | ||
| Wait, what just happened? | ||
| What the fuck just happened there? | ||
| Well, I've brought this up before, and that is that this appearance on Alex's show has to also be understood through the prism of Trump was on a book sale campaign at this time. | ||
| And so this is also a promotional stop for him to push his book. | ||
| And so Alex does... | ||
| Do his job at a certain number of times where he brings up the book in order to try and sell it. | ||
| Right, but I'm standing on a sidewalk and a Segway just slammed into me and knocked me to the ground and then I'm in the middle of the street. | ||
| That's what just happened there. | ||
| I pride myself on Segways. | ||
| I sometimes do some pretty good work on that front. | ||
| I've given you many a compliment. | ||
| But not all of them land. | ||
| There are some that are, you know, no one's perfect. | ||
| But you never said the number two problem. | ||
| That was... | ||
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| The phrasing of that. | ||
| There is that. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| I don't think I would be thrilled if the alleged plans of Muslims to blow up our country is the number one problem, and the number two problem is your book. | ||
| Your book is shit. | ||
| That's the number two problem, Trump. | ||
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| So, yeah, Trump, he wrote another book, too, though. | ||
| Oh, I'm sure he did. | ||
| With a pen. | ||
| He's written so many books. | ||
| Yeah, yeah, yeah. | ||
| He's got a pen. | ||
| And this one, this should also infuriate Alex. | ||
| Well, I was right about that. | ||
| I was right in saying in a book that I wrote, you covered it really nicely. | ||
| I appreciate it. | ||
| But I wrote a very political book years ago in the year 2000, The America We Deserve. | ||
| And I said in that book that we better be careful with this guy named Osama bin Laden. | ||
| I mean, I really study this stuff. | ||
| I really find it very interesting. | ||
| Oh, my God. | ||
| Even though I'm a businessman, I find it, I've always found it. | ||
| I've been involved in politics. | ||
| I said, we better be careful with Osama bin Laden. | ||
| There's a guy named Osama bin Laden. | ||
| Nobody really knew who he was, but he was nasty. | ||
| He was saying really nasty things about our country and what he wants to do to it. | ||
| And I wrote in the book, 2000, two years before the World Trade Center came down, I talked about Osama bin Laden. | ||
| You better take him out. | ||
| He's going to crawl under a rock. | ||
| You better take him out. | ||
| And now people are seeing that. | ||
| They're saying, you know, Trump predicted Osama bin Laden, which actually is true. | ||
| And then two years later, a year and a half later, he knocked down the World Trade Center. | ||
| And I talked about terrorism and that. | ||
| That was before terrorism as we know it today. | ||
| I said, we better be careful. | ||
| That's going to happen. | ||
| It's going to be a big thing. | ||
| And it certainly is a big thing. | ||
| So naturally, this is all bullshit. | ||
| Bin Laden was a well-known quantity by the time Trump put out this book in January 2000, mostly because he was an international terrorist leader and he'd bombed the World Trade Center in 1993. | ||
| Why is it that everyone just pretends that he hadn't already bombed the same place? | ||
| Trump's claim that he was a little-known figure is absurd. | ||
| It is insane! | ||
| Also, Fact Check reviewed Trump's book and he didn't say any of this shit in it. | ||
| This is the only mention he makes of Bin Laden in the entire book. | ||
| Quote, Instead of one looming crisis hanging over us, we face a bewildering series of smaller crises, flashpoints, standoffs, and hotspots. | ||
| We're not playing the chess game to end all chess games anymore. | ||
| We're playing tournament chess, one master against many rivals. | ||
| One day, we're all assuming that Iraq is under control. | ||
| The UN inspectors have done their work. | ||
| Everything's fine. | ||
| Not to worry. | ||
| The next day, the bombings begin. | ||
| One day, we're told that a shadowy figure with no fixed address named Osama bin Laden is public enemy number one. | ||
| And the U.S. jet fighters lay waste to his camp in Afghanistan. | ||
| He escapes back under some rock, and a few news cycles later, it's on to a new enemy and a new crisis. | ||
| That was his mention of something. | ||
| He's maybe lying about the context in this interview. | ||
| I don't understand fundamentally how a human being... | ||
| Could listen to someone as insane as Trump say, if people had listened to me, we would have stopped 9-11 and not go, oh, that guy's insane. | ||
| I don't get it. | ||
| I just don't understand any way that you could listen to that man say that he could have stopped 9-11 if everybody just listened to him and think, oh, that's not an insane person that needs to go away for a long time. | ||
| Well, spoiler alert, Ted Nugent is on later. | ||
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| And maybe... | ||
| Did he predict 9-11 too? | ||
| No, but maybe he implies that he could have stopped the Holocaust. | ||
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There we go. | |
| There we go. | ||
| There he is. | ||
| Okay. | ||
| You know? | ||
| All right. | ||
| Yeah, these guys all suck. | ||
| Oh man. | ||
| So there's another problem here. | ||
| Beyond Trump just being... | ||
| I don't know. | ||
| I don't know. | ||
| Of course, none of this is addressed, and Trump's ridiculous claim that nobody really knew who Bin Laden was in 2000 goes unchallenged, because Alex isn't in the business of actually engaging with anything that Trump says, and how it's clearly contradictory to his pretend worldview. | ||
| I mean, the amount of time that I have spent, like, not understanding why we don't continuously talk about how Bin Laden hit the World Trade Centers twice. | ||
| That is the ultimate return to the scene of the crime situation. | ||
| Do you know what I'm saying? | ||
| Like, it doesn't get more. | ||
| The guy bombed it once and then he was like, oh, not enough! | ||
| Like, you know, it doesn't get more than that. | ||
| And yet people are still like, 9-11. | ||
| Only time any terrorism has ever happened. | ||
| Right. | ||
| You know? | ||
| Like, what are we doing here? | ||
| Sure, sure. | ||
| And I think it's important as part of the contextualizing of the story. | ||
| And it also undercuts a lot of this, like, How could anybody have possibly even talked about Bin Laden before? | ||
| There's no way! | ||
| But the reality is, though, too, what it is exploiting is that... | ||
| It is fair enough to say that prior to 9-11, Osama bin Laden wasn't necessarily a name that was on everybody's tongue. | ||
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| It wasn't somebody who was a household name that everybody was talking about. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| But the exploiting of that to claim that no one knew who he was or he was an obscure figure is just ridiculous. | ||
| Right. | ||
| But yeah, it's a fun game. | ||
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| So Alex brings up that Trump knows Putin. | ||
| Sure. | ||
| This is good news now in 2022. | ||
| Sure. | ||
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| It's not really well explored. | ||
| But there is something that does... | ||
| It is probably a large part of the interview that I didn't cut as many clips of. | ||
| And that is that Trump wants to take the fucking oil from the Middle East. | ||
| Sure, sure. | ||
| And failing that, he wants to bomb the oil fields so people that he doesn't like can't make money off it. | ||
| So that is touched on here. | ||
| That's real politics. | ||
| You know Vladimir Putin well. | ||
| Two years ago, Alex, that's the only problem. | ||
| Donald Trump joins us live. | ||
| Can you speak to, as president, what your relationship would be with foreign leaders? | ||
| What you know about Vladimir Putin? | ||
| Because all I know is, why are we starting a fight with Russia when they're not doing anything to us? | ||
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| Well, number one, and just to finish on there, by the way, I say hit the oil, but we should keep the oil. | ||
| In other words, we should keep. | ||
| We'll get ExxonMobil. | ||
| They'll go in. | ||
| We'll get other of our oil companies. | ||
| We'll get some of the great oil companies. | ||
| We bid it out. | ||
| We should keep the oil. | ||
| You know, in the old days, to the victor belonged to spoils, right? | ||
| We don't have that. | ||
| We go in, we fight a war, and we leave. | ||
| We get nothing except we get death and we get deficit. | ||
| That's all we get. | ||
| I think I get along great with people. | ||
| I mean, I will probably get along well with him. | ||
| And if I don't, somebody else will. | ||
| And who knows? | ||
| You know, he's a difficult. | ||
| He's tough and he's smart. | ||
| I was on the show 60 Minutes with him recently. | ||
| Not together. | ||
| I mean, they did him and they profiled me at the same show, which was there. | ||
| We were stable mates, right? | ||
| But I think I'd get along very well with him. | ||
| I think I'd do fine. | ||
| Yeah, he's a tough cookie, but Trump will probably get along with him, or someone else will. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
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| I mean, I think that's a non-answer answer. | ||
| It seems more important that Trump, you know, really was at that time obsessed with the idea of pillage. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| And plunder of other countries' riches. | ||
| Yeah, yeah. | ||
| That's a real, like, oh, you're a small boy. | ||
| You're a very small boy if you think that Viking times are the pinnacle of civilization. | ||
| Well, the premise of the Iraq War, ostensibly, is that you had this tyrant who was in power, and so we're helping overthrow this tyrant in order to bring a democratic state into existence and remove a threat to regional neighbors and the world's stability as a whole. | ||
| Tertiarily. | ||
| That mission is not served by stealing all of their resources. | ||
| Right. | ||
| That seems like something else. | ||
| It seems counter to the stated idea. | ||
| Yeah, I mean, he might as well be like, what I'd like to do is turn the region into glass, and then we will all have somewhere to ice skate. | ||
| It would really serve the people who were trying to free from this dictatorship if we took their oil. | ||
| Yeah, it is very much like you understand that the... | ||
| What are you going to do? | ||
| Turn Iraq into the 51st state? | ||
| Like, that's what we're going to do? | ||
| Well, you're belying and revealing your real lack of concern for the actual people of the region. | ||
| Yeah, of course. | ||
| And that's a little too obvious. | ||
| Yeah, there's no after for this plan. | ||
| There's only... | ||
| They're all dead. | ||
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| Yeah. | ||
| So Alex has some interesting points here. | ||
| One is that he believes that Trump is a manifestation of this war that's going on behind the scenes, which is the counter-counter coup that Steve Pchenik had been talking about at this time, which is very reminiscent of proto-Q, QAnon ideas that were going around even before the creation of that whole thing. | ||
| Yeah, whatever it was. | ||
| And so Alex expresses this, that Trump is like, These people behind the scenes, the good people in government, have brought him in to do this mission. | ||
| But there's another preoccupation. | ||
| So Trump is preoccupied with stealing oil, and Alex is preoccupied with, please reassure me that you're not fucking around. | ||
| Right, right, right, right. | ||
| Please just tell me that you're not going to Ross Perot this thing. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| And there's a little bit of dodging of questions. | ||
| And I've talked to not just... | ||
| High-level folks that have been in government that are on your team, but separately high-level people in government currently that say there's an internal war going on and that you're a manifestation of that. | ||
| I don't want to get anything inside baseball with you, but I already know the inside baseball. | ||
| I know now from top people that you actually are for real and you understand you're in danger and you understand what you're doing is epic. | ||
| It's George Washington level. | ||
| And you understand that office. | ||
| So I want to tell you right now. | ||
| Can you speak about the war for the soul of this country that's happening right now and really tell people what's happening and commit to people that you won't Ross Perot under death threats and step down when you're in the lead two months from the election? | ||
| Okay, so let me just tell you, Alex, as you know, I'm leading in every poll nationally, in every poll state. | ||
| I'm leading in Iowa, New Hampshire, South Carolina, the SEC, Texas. | ||
| I'm leading in Texas. | ||
| Which I love. | ||
| I love Texas. | ||
| You know, we were there. | ||
| Mark Cuban called up. | ||
| He said, do you want to use the arena? | ||
| I used it. | ||
| We filled it up in three or four days, 20,000 people. | ||
| In Mobile, Alabama, we had 35,000 people. | ||
| We had 20,000 in Oklahoma. | ||
| I'm so into this. | ||
| And I'm not into it. | ||
| You know, I could do other things that I would enjoy doing, to be honest with you. | ||
| No, you're doing a dangerous mission. | ||
| We understand that. | ||
| It's not an easy thing. | ||
| But the key is make America great again. | ||
| We can make America great again, but if you have to suffer through four more or eight more years of what's gone on in the past, we're being eaten away. | ||
| It's eating away at our country. | ||
| And we can make, in my opinion, we can make America greater than ever before. | ||
| But we have to get going. | ||
| It has to happen. | ||
| We have to get going. | ||
| And, you know, when you look at the vision, I said Iraq. | ||
| You agreed with me on Iraq. | ||
| I said, hit the oil. | ||
| I said a lot of things that turned out to be. | ||
| True. | ||
| 100% true. | ||
| And I'm giving credit. | ||
| I'm giving credit by some people. | ||
| Some people refuse to acknowledge it. | ||
| You know, they refuse to say that. | ||
| No, you've been absolutely on target. | ||
| So what I'm asking is, how big of the crossroads we're at right now, though, because you've talked about it. | ||
| Are we at a crossroads to decide whether this country's done or whether we go to the next level? | ||
| Well, I think this, I think that, sadly, I think that if we don't get it right this time, I think this is going to be the most important election our country's ever had. | ||
| I mean, you'd have to say George Washington was right there. | ||
| You know, the couple of pretty important elections, right? | ||
| The first election for George Washington, it was pretty much not even... | ||
| It was an election for a vice president, but not really for the president. | ||
| No, everybody was begging Washington to be president. | ||
| Everybody practically forced him to be president. | ||
| Many times he was like, I don't know if I'm actually a president guy. | ||
| Unless you're arguing that John Adams being his vice president was the most important election. | ||
| That was not the most important election of our lifetime. | ||
| But leaving that aside, I don't think the question's answered. | ||
| You know, like, are you going to Ross Perot it? | ||
| I haven't decided yet. | ||
| Look, I love these rallies. | ||
| These rallies are a lot of fun. | ||
| I'm enjoying this. | ||
| I could do other things. | ||
| Certainly the ideas that I'm saying I believe are important. | ||
| There's no reassurance that Alex is looking for here. | ||
| It would be. | ||
| I would be interested to know. | ||
| If there was a moment where you could talk to Trump and, like, go back time travel-wise one more time. | ||
| If there's a moment where you could talk to Trump in, like, early 2016 and just be like, listen, if you keep campaigning for president, you can do all the rallies. | ||
| All the time. | ||
| Everyone will give you all the adoration that you want, right? | ||
| But if you become president, you're going to be stuck inside that room. | ||
| Oh, it's going to be so bad! | ||
| You're going to hate that room, man! | ||
| You don't get adoration from there! | ||
| People are going to be even more critical of the things you do. | ||
| They're going to be real mad. | ||
| The people around you are going to think you're a child. | ||
| If you keep doing rallies, you can talk shit. | ||
| You're the greatest! | ||
| Everybody loves you! | ||
| Oh, you're the best! | ||
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| Because that's what he wanted! | ||
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| That's what he's always wanted! | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| I don't know how you would do that necessarily. | ||
| Mm-hmm. | ||
| Like perpetual campaign. | ||
| I mean, that's basically what he's doing now. | ||
| And he tried as president. | ||
| Yeah, he was doing rallies a year into president. | ||
| He was like, listen, I am not good at this job thing. | ||
| Sure. | ||
| I like it when people scream my name. | ||
| Sure. | ||
| If only there was some sort of a middle ground we could have reached where he could have all pretended that he won. | ||
| We could have pretended he won. | ||
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We could have put him in a nice little recreation of the White House. | |
| Yeah, yeah, absolutely. | ||
| But yeah, Alex didn't get the reassurance that he was looking for on the Perot question. | ||
| And so he tries to do it again. | ||
| The Man in the Arena, his new book, we're going to talk about at the moment, is exposing the fact that this country is being sabotaged by design. | ||
| Specifically, I don't want to bring up detractors. | ||
| And it's a question I had early on that I did more research and... | ||
| Dr. Roger. | ||
| ...you really do want to save this country where your children and grandchildren live, but let's expand on this. | ||
| There are certain pundits out there saying you played golf with Bill Clinton and... | ||
| And so, you know, you had to do business in New York, so you said nice things about Hillary. | ||
| I get keeping your enemies closer when you're not in politics. | ||
| I get it. | ||
| I understand. | ||
| I think that's what you did. | ||
| But tell us specifically, and I don't think this now. | ||
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I've seen it. | |
| I know you're for real. | ||
| You wouldn't be saying the things you're doing. | ||
| They're scared of you. | ||
| The whole system's coming out against you. | ||
| But promise us that you're not going to drop out at the key moment. | ||
| Keeping all the other Republicans out of view, and then Hillary races to the head, or Jeb Bush does, because as you know, folks are claiming you're a Clinton operative. | ||
| You know, I've never heard that. | ||
| I heard it actually a few months ago, but I've hit her harder than anybody times 10, if you look at me. | ||
| You have, you have. | ||
| I was a businessman, yet I've only been a politician for five months. | ||
| I hate to use the term because, you know, it's all about knowing. | ||
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You're a statesman. | |
| You're a statesman. | ||
| Oh, my God. | ||
| Oh, my God. | ||
| So that wasn't quite a reassurance either. | ||
| Right. | ||
| But Alex is really desperately just trying to be like, just please, like, this is one of the stumbling blocks for the audience. | ||
| The audience, when I say that... | ||
| Some detractors have said this. | ||
| I'm saying that this is one of the criticisms that I can't alleviate in the audience. | ||
| So I need you to do this in order to get them over that hurdle. | ||
| Listen, Alex, here's what happens. | ||
| When you're a billionaire, if I want something, then I go to a politician and I... | ||
| I mean, you said that in the debates. | ||
| Exactly. | ||
| So it's like, yeah, of course I'm an oligarch. | ||
| I'm above politics. | ||
| I just want to kill all of you. | ||
| Like, that's insane. | ||
| Yeah, and I mean, Trump says as much. | ||
| I mean, not the killing all of you thing. | ||
| But the, like, I did business. | ||
| I gotta do the business in order to, like, I have to fuck with these people. | ||
| Why didn't all of us just go, well, then the system should stop? | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| Great point, and something that Alex should maybe push back on based on his worldview. | ||
| Yes, absolutely. | ||
| But instead, this is just an acceptable answer. | ||
| One of the magazines recently called me a world-class businessman. | ||
| The truth is I did. | ||
| I built an unbelievable company. | ||
| Tremendous assets. | ||
| Not only that, iconic assets. | ||
| Very little debt. | ||
| Tremendous cash flow. | ||
| It's a great company. | ||
| And by the way, people now see how good when I did the filing. | ||
| Everyone said, oh, he'll never file. | ||
| I'll never file. | ||
| It's almost 100 pages long. | ||
| And it's an unbelievable company. | ||
| So I built it, which by the way, the reason I say that, that's the kind of thinking our country needs. | ||
| But I got along great with Clinton. | ||
| I got along great with Harry Reid. | ||
| I got along great with everybody. | ||
| Because when I needed them, I didn't want to have them. | ||
| I didn't want to have somebody say, well, Clinton doesn't want it to happen. | ||
| You're not a loser. | ||
| You don't get in mindless fights. | ||
| You move forward with your agenda. | ||
| But now you see America in trouble, and you're, hey, that's all sidelined now. | ||
| Donald Trump's not working for Donald Trump. | ||
| He wants to work for America. | ||
| Yeah, as a businessman, you couldn't have even functioned if you don't get along. | ||
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No, I know. | |
| For example, in New York City, it's 95% Democrat. | ||
| I mean, if I didn't get along with the Democrats, I wouldn't have one billion. | ||
| Well, I'll tell you. | ||
| I mean, you did want the vice president position that's come out decades ago behind the scenes. | ||
| I mean, I know you're a Republican. | ||
| What about libertarianism? | ||
| What's your view of libertarianism? | ||
| And then I want to ask you, who's your favorite president, and who do you think your running mate might be? | ||
| Folks think it's Ted Cruz. | ||
| So, oh my God. | ||
| Alex is like, all right. | ||
| You're kind of answering this question. | ||
| Let me go ahead and finish it off for you. | ||
| I'm going to go ahead and answer this question for you now. | ||
| Also, I stayed up for three hours, and one of the questions that I came up with is, who's your favorite president? | ||
| Who's your favorite president? | ||
| And the most obvious question, who are you considering as a running mate? | ||
| I also wrote down... | ||
| Sandwiches. | ||
| Favorite kind? | ||
| Yay or nay. | ||
| Between two pieces of bread or outside the bread? | ||
| Sure. | ||
| Do you put the meat on the outside and the bread on the inside? | ||
| Trump, tell me more about you. | ||
| Hot dog, sandwich, or not. | ||
| That would be a more substantive debate than most of the ones that Trump had. | ||
| Do you like soup? | ||
| That's a good question. | ||
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That's a good question. | |
| And chili soup. | ||
| What's the cold soup called? | ||
| Booyah bass? | ||
| Mm-mm. | ||
| Gaspacho. | ||
| Gaspacho! | ||
| Disgusting. | ||
| So we get no answer on the question of the running mate. | ||
| Sure. | ||
| But we do get some rambling around. | ||
| And then we learn about the favorite president. | ||
| You'll probably maybe respond with a yell to this. | ||
| So I would ask you to not. | ||
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Okay. | |
| Because Alex's response to the answer of who is your favorite president is shocking. | ||
| Okay. | ||
| As far as running mates, it's too soon to say. | ||
| I actually respect a couple of people that are on the stage. | ||
| Some of them I have absolutely no respect for. | ||
| I mean, I think they're not very good at all at what they do. | ||
| You look at what's going on. | ||
| But I have respect for a number of people that are on the stage with me. | ||
| I have respect for a lot of people that are throughout this country, you know, political people. | ||
| I'll pick somebody I think that can really be a great vice president, who ultimately has to be a great president, because that's... | ||
| You know, 90% of that function is, you know, if something bad happens, you've got to be a good president. | ||
| You have to view it from that standpoint. | ||
| And my favorite president in the more or less modern era would be Ronald Reagan. | ||
| I've always liked him. | ||
| I helped him. | ||
| And by the way, he was a Democrat. | ||
| A lot of people don't know. | ||
| He was. | ||
| A liberal Democrat, Alex, as you know. | ||
| And he became a somewhat conservative, I wouldn't say the most conservative, but a somewhat conservative Republican. | ||
| But he wanted to make America great. | ||
| And he really did. | ||
| He wanted to make... | ||
| He had actually... | ||
| Let's make America great. | ||
| That was his, and mine is, make America great again, so there's a little bit of a difference. | ||
| Alex thinks that Reagan's a secret communist. | ||
| I was gonna say, what? | ||
| This is not like, I don't know. | ||
| Mine too? | ||
| Mine too? | ||
| Alex, Alex. | ||
| That is... | ||
| I have heard Alex talk about so many presidents, and not once has he been like, you know, Reagan was the best president. | ||
| I understand that certainly he's probably grown in appreciation for Reagan in the last bit. | ||
| Yeah, yeah, yeah. | ||
| But yeah, that's not in line with Alex's... | ||
| Sort of regular, consistent ideology. | ||
| If you view Reagan as being the Terminator 2 of ending the New Deal, then I suppose you would grow in appreciation for him as the New Deal continues to disappear. | ||
| Reagan's only gaining in popularity as we all discover that he's dismantled the entire country from the top down. | ||
| Which is proud. | ||
| It's a great answer for Trump, I guess. | ||
| I mean, it's sort of... | ||
| It was a great answer for Obama, and it was a great answer for, what, Bush, and it was a great answer. | ||
| Everybody kept saying Reagan for a while. | ||
| But it's in line with what you'd expect from Trump. | ||
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Yeah. | |
| So it's fine. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| But for Alex, whew. | ||
| That's not okay. | ||
| No. | ||
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No. | |
| No, no, no, no. | ||
| Nope. | ||
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Nope. | |
| Who's your favorite president? | ||
| Eisenhower. | ||
| No, you can't be! | ||
| You can't! | ||
| What? | ||
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No! | |
| Well, I like that speech. | ||
| No, but I mean, he's also the guy at the center of all the... | ||
| Never mind. | ||
| Fine. | ||
| He's also a secret communist. | ||
| Yeah, again, yes. | ||
| All of them are. | ||
| Alex, you're not supposed to like any president. | ||
| You're not supposed to. | ||
| You're above the left-right paradigm. | ||
| Yep. | ||
| So, Alex, it turns out the path to Trump is complicated. | ||
| As we discovered, there were a lot of... | ||
| Clear influences. | ||
| A lot of Steve Pachanek influence. | ||
| A lot of Roger Stone influence. | ||
| But there was one that we didn't account for, and that is Alex's 13-year-old son, Rex. | ||
| My son finally sold me on being a bigger supporter of yours. | ||
| I mean, I liked you. | ||
| Love Americana. | ||
| You're pure Americana. | ||
| But my 13-year-old son's really smart. | ||
| He's a lot of research. | ||
| He watches all the debates. | ||
| He just really loves you. | ||
| He is on cloud nine that you're here, Rex Jones. | ||
| And it was his question, which president was your favorite? | ||
| All-time, who's your favorite? | ||
| Well, all-time, I'd say Ronald Reagan, shorter term, I would say, well, you know, you look at Lincoln and you look at Washington, you have to go with, they're the classics, right, Alex? | ||
| You know, you think in terms of the great classics, you have to go with the Lincolns and the Washingtons. | ||
| I agree, as a man's man, George Washington was a badass. | ||
| That's what they say. | ||
| I mean, that's what they say. | ||
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They say he never told a lie. | |
| Let's hope that's true, okay? | ||
| But George Washington was pretty good. | ||
| But look, we had some great presidents. | ||
| What are you talking about? | ||
| Name five. | ||
| We will hopefully be right at the top of that list. | ||
| We're going to make the country so strong. | ||
| You've got to go with the classics, Jordan. | ||
| What a fucking book report that was never finished. | ||
| Right. | ||
| You know, my favorites, you've got to go with Pride and Prejudice. | ||
| That's a classic. | ||
| Love that book. | ||
| When you look at presidents, you look at Lincoln and Washington. | ||
| Someone coached him so he didn't accidentally say Jefferson Davis. | ||
| Yeah, something like that. | ||
| What are you talking about? | ||
| That inspires absolutely no confidence in somebody having opinions about or depth to their feelings about government. | ||
| That is totally, like, you don't know anything about American history whatsoever beyond the lore that you make up in your own brain. | ||
| I think Alex was probably hoping you would say Andrew Jackson. | ||
| Yeah, that would be the one that makes the most sense on account of their identical... | ||
| And Alex was begging him not to say Woodrow Wilson. | ||
| Yeah, yeah, yeah. | ||
| The one that made black people hide in the White House. | ||
| That one? | ||
| Is that one? | ||
| No, no, no. | ||
| Can't do that one? | ||
| Oh, no. | ||
| I'm sorry. | ||
| The classics. | ||
| Go with the classics. | ||
| So they take a little moment here to say thank you to a very special person. | ||
| Sure. | ||
| Donald Trump's great to stay a few more minutes with us. | ||
| And he brought up somebody that he wanted to thank on air, that I want to thank on air. | ||
| He came in here a month ago. | ||
| He's been on all these big shows. | ||
| Just an incredible guy. | ||
| I was aware of who he was. | ||
| A patriot fighting communism all over the world. | ||
| Tell us, Mr. Trump, about Mr. Stone, who helped get this interview set up. | ||
| Well, Roger's a good guy, and he is a patriot and believes strongly in a strong nation, a lot of the things that I believe in. | ||
| And, you know, I see him all over television. | ||
| People like Roger. | ||
| He's a tough cookie, I will tell you that, but people like him. | ||
| But he's been so loyal and so wonderful, and he is the one. | ||
| He really wanted me to do this interview, and I'm doing it. | ||
| And so we appreciate it, Roger. | ||
| Well, I knew who he was, but then I did more research on him. | ||
| This guy literally fought communists all over the world, ran big elections against the Soviet Union in Latin America, in Africa, in Asia. | ||
| Wait, what? | ||
| And I know he's been friends with you for a long time and advising you. | ||
| So again, my respect level went up even more knowing that you're talking to real political A lot of people are cookies for Trump. | ||
| Tough cookies. | ||
| Yep. | ||
| Yep. | ||
| Yeah, so, yeah, Roger. | ||
| I'm disappointed in all of us on a regular basis because it appears that the only thing we really want, really want, and will reward in our politicians is the ability to say nothing for a long time. | ||
| Sure. | ||
| Like, we love it when you can say zero for hours. | ||
| Hours of absolute nothing. | ||
| You said zero. | ||
| To be fair, I cut out a fair amount of him saying we should bomb oil fields. | ||
| See, there we go. | ||
| Then that's what we talk about. | ||
| We talk about bombing oil fields. | ||
| We don't talk about... | ||
| He didn't say any words. | ||
| Well, he was talking about the classics and thanking Roger. | ||
| Sure. | ||
| Giving it up for Roger. | ||
| This is a big zero. | ||
| He's done some stuff. | ||
| He's done some other stuff. | ||
| He ran elections, apparently. | ||
| Yeah, sure. | ||
| Fine. | ||
| I believe that he was more a... | ||
| Advisor for dictators. | ||
| That's really more what he was. | ||
| The one that he helped with. | ||
| So here was where the interview ends. | ||
| And there's some dynamics here. | ||
| The first is that this clip will include the only thing that people remember of this interview, which is Trump saying, your reputation's amazing. | ||
| We'll be talking a bunch in the future, which never happened again, at least publicly. | ||
| But there's also, before we get to that, Trump says essentially something along the lines of like, if I don't win, I don't care. | ||
| This whole making America great thing is wonderful and all that. | ||
| But if I don't win, I'm just going to watch TV. | ||
| I don't give a shit. | ||
| Fuck all of you. | ||
| I'm not going to make America great unless it involves me winning. | ||
| That really sounds like somebody who has got civic pride. | ||
| You know what I would say? | ||
| Statesman. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| What about Crippled America? | ||
| It's a number one. | ||
| You've got a big rally tonight. | ||
| Everywhere you go, your crowds just get bigger. | ||
| I mean, obviously, you're probably going to get the Republican nomination now. | ||
| Wow, and you're ready for the dirty tricks. | ||
| One minute left, Donald Trump. | ||
| What do you have to say about your book and what's coming up? | ||
| Well, first of all, before the book, you mentioned one thing. | ||
| I had never heard that, but I am in this to win it. | ||
| I am not in this to say, oh, gee, I've done a really good job. | ||
| A reporter called up, a very powerful reporter, said, how does it feel? | ||
| How does it feel? | ||
| I said, it only feels because they said what we've done has never been done before politically. | ||
| You know, I've been in the polls for five months. | ||
| Since it came out, I'm number one. | ||
| I said, it's only good if we win. | ||
| If I don't win, I've wasted a lot of time. | ||
| That's the way I view it. | ||
| He said, no, no, you haven't. | ||
| You haven't. | ||
| I said, believe me. | ||
| If I don't win. | ||
| Because we can't do anything to make our country great if I don't win. | ||
| I'll be watching television someplace. | ||
| It'll be forget it. | ||
| So I wrote a book called Crippled America. | ||
| It's doing fantastic business. | ||
| I don't know if you can see that thing right up there. | ||
| We can. | ||
| But it's doing great business. | ||
| I hope your audience goes out and buys it as Christmas gifts and everything else. | ||
| And I just want to finish by saying your reputation is amazing. | ||
| I will not let you down. | ||
| You will be very, very impressed, I hope. | ||
| And I think we'll be speaking a lot, but you'll be looking at me in a year or two years. | ||
| Let's give me a little bit of time to run things. | ||
| But a year into office, you'll be saying, wow, I remember that interview. | ||
| He said he was going to do it, and he did a great job. | ||
| You'll be very proud of our country. | ||
| Well, I'm impressed. | ||
| I mean, you're saying you're fully committed. | ||
| You know, there's no future if we don't take this country back. | ||
| Donald Trump, I hope you can help uncripple America. | ||
| Thank you so much, sir. | ||
| You will be attacked for coming on, and we know you know that. | ||
| Thank you. | ||
| The tone of this is a little strange. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| Definitely an unwillingness to engage with any kind of attempts to make America better, unless it involves me winning this presidency. | ||
| Yeah, yeah, yeah. | ||
| Which I think is shallow. | ||
| I mean, that is like, I feel like any moral system, let's say, I don't know, a big one. | ||
| Let's call it Christianity. | ||
| If a billionaire were to say... | ||
| If I'm not the ruler of this country, there's nothing I can do. | ||
| There's nothing anybody can do, really. | ||
| Then I feel like maybe you don't believe in that religion at all. | ||
| Sure. | ||
| And also, I would like to juxtapose this with someone like Bernie Sanders. | ||
| Let's imagine him with his ideas, campaigning, and then being like, if I don't win, nothing. | ||
| I give up. | ||
| I refuse to believe. | ||
| I'm at the point now where my denial is that Bernie Sanders I refuse to believe that there was so obviously someone who was right about everything that we shit all over. | ||
| Well, the powerful shit all over. | ||
| The comparison I just want to make is there is still a desire to work to make things better as best he can in whatever capacity he can regardless of winning. | ||
| And you have someone like Trump be like, I'll just watch TV. | ||
| I don't give a shit. | ||
| That seems like it should have been. | ||
| That should be a problem. | ||
| Here's what... | ||
| Okay. | ||
| 2016, Bernie loses... | ||
| Fine. | ||
| He pushed him to the left. | ||
| We wanted it. | ||
| But what are you going to do? | ||
| And then Trump wins. | ||
| And then we see all the stuff that happens. | ||
| And then Bernie's like, well, finally, these idiots are ready. | ||
| And then the powerful people still fuck him over. | ||
| That was the one point where any reasonable person could be justified in being like, fuck all of you! | ||
| All of you. | ||
| I'm right about everything. | ||
| They're all taking me down. | ||
| You're dumb. | ||
| Fuck all of you. | ||
| I'm going home. | ||
| Reasonable. | ||
| He's still at work! | ||
| Yeah, it's tough to resist the impulse to give in to that nihilism or whatever, but it is important, too. | ||
| And you can see that Trump has no willingness to or interest in even trying if he can't be the king. | ||
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| Now, the other thing is you can see, as Alex is going out, One of the primary concerns that he has is this, like, you're not going to quit, you're not a Clinton shill, okay. | ||
| That seems to be the primary mission of this interview, is just to convince the audience that he's not going to quit. | ||
| Six months down the road or whatever. | ||
| Stick around. | ||
| Yeah, he's not going to bow out and give the election to Hillary, which is the conspiracy. | ||
| The conspiracy is that they're choosing Trump to be the least likable candidate so that the second least likable candidate will finally win. | ||
| Well, like a Judas goat, as he has said. | ||
| So, we have some other things that are going to be happening on this episode, and here's one of them. | ||
| Joe Biggs. | ||
| Boo. | ||
| As you know, I've wanted to go around to these reported jihad radicalization camps, a lot of them found out by the State Department and other agencies. | ||
| And we have Infowars Investigates of Eric and Caliphate. | ||
| They're going to be gone for the next week-plus in Texas, in New York, in Michigan, and in North Carolina, and many other states. | ||
| This is only round one of this. | ||
| The training centers, the military training areas, the fenced-off areas where this is going on, what the locals think. | ||
| Joe Biggs is going to be on the first 30 minutes with David Knight of the fourth hour. | ||
| then we will re-air in the fourth hour, the last 25 minutes or so. | ||
| The Donald Trump interview, David Knight, will be honchoing and quarterbacking and traffic copping. | ||
| So this is fun because Joe Biggs is currently facing seditious conspiracy charges for his actions on January 6th, where he was part of the Proud Boy leadership that planned to invade the Capitol to stop the certification of the 2020 election. | ||
| Also, this is a little bit before he got into his Pizzagate bullshit. | ||
| Also, worth noting is that this trip that Biggs went on is something we actually have some insight into, thanks to information relayed by Josh Owens in his piece in the New York Times. | ||
| He worked for Infowars and was along for this very trip that's going to be discussed. | ||
| Here's how he described it to the Times. | ||
| Quote, That was very funny. | ||
| We had meetings with Jones before trips in order to ascertain exactly what he wanted. | ||
| If we, quote, hit some home runs, he said, we would get significant bonuses. | ||
| They tried to make contact with folks in a community called Islamberg, but were turned away by... | ||
| From Josh's article. | ||
| Because of the conspiracy theories about the place, Islamberg was a constant target of right-wing extremists. | ||
| That April, a Tennessee man was arrested and later convicted of plotting to raise a militia to burn Islamberg's mosque to the ground. | ||
| Only days before we arrived, the FBI had issued an alert to law enforcement to be on the lookout for a man named John Ritzheimer, a leader of an anti-Muslim movement in Arizona, who posted a video threatening violence against Muslims less than two weeks earlier. | ||
| So, the phone call we received later that night from a law enforcement agent shouldn't have come as a surprise. | ||
| The officer who contacted us said he simply wanted to verify who we were after receiving a concerned call from somebody in Islamberg. | ||
| We told Jones about it, and he chose to believe the call was a veiled threat, an attempt to intimidate us into silence. | ||
| To him, this verified that we were onto something. | ||
| He even went so far as to include Michael Bloomberg, the former mayor of New York City, in the purported conspiracy, claiming he wanted to abolish... | ||
| The Second Amendment, and that somehow intimidating us would achieve that. | ||
| The information did not meet our expectations. | ||
| So we made it up, preying on the vulnerable and feeding the prejudices and fears of Jones' audience. | ||
| We ignored certain facts, fabricated others, and took situations out of context to fit our narrative. | ||
| So that's going on right now. | ||
| Joe Biggs is filing the first report from this... | ||
| Clear, fraudulent coverage that was meant intentionally to stoke, agitate against Muslim communities. | ||
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Yep. | |
| And you can hear even in Alex's coverage of this video that Biggs is going to be airing that is American Caliphate. | ||
| The framing that came from Alex himself and was like, this is what you're going out to create justification for coverage of. | ||
| Right, right, right. | ||
| And it's pretty sad. | ||
| It's pretty sad. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| And it's the same day that Trump is on the show. | ||
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Yeah. | |
| That's what a Don Salazar calls research. | ||
| Coincidence. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| An interesting coincidence. | ||
| Doesn't jive with me. | ||
| Sure. | ||
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Yeah. | |
| So this is just a weird thing that happens. | ||
| Alex gets up in his head talking about his childhood violence and possibly murders. | ||
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What? | |
| I love this species. | ||
| I'm a fan of humanity. | ||
| Man, I know about our accomplishments. | ||
| And I'm sick of all these piles of crap getting in our way, and I want you out of our way. | ||
| I don't like you. | ||
| I never liked bullies when I was a little kid, and I don't like them now. | ||
| And I lost. | ||
| No exaggeration. | ||
| I was thinking about it the other day. | ||
| It was probably over 100 fights. | ||
| When I was 10, 11, 12 years old, I lost. | ||
| With guys that were 3, 4 years older. | ||
| But let me tell you, at a certain point by the time I was about 12 or 13, it didn't matter if they were 3 years older. | ||
| I kept pounding their faces in and jumping on them and ramming their head in the ground until they realized, hell, the cops would show up, somebody would have blood coming out their ears, and they'd say, my God, how did you just beat up this 16, 17-year-old who weighs 230 pounds and you weigh 160 pounds? | ||
| What's going on with you, kid? | ||
| And I said, listen, they attacked me, and I stood up for myself. | ||
| Sometimes those bullies, when I had their head knocking it in the pavement, would ask the question. | ||
| And by the way, these aren't Ben Carson stories. | ||
| They're a lot worse than I tell you. | ||
| Everybody knows it. | ||
| Everybody's got a sixth sense. | ||
| I'd tell those bullies, I said, you wanted to hurt me. | ||
| Don't you get it? | ||
| I don't want to hurt you. | ||
| I want you to get off me. | ||
| And I want you next time to leave me alone and to leave other people alone. | ||
| It's like, I don't want to plagiarize it, but I actually said that to people like in Ender's game when he kills the kid or beats the kid up and they said, why did you keep attacking him? | ||
| Because I didn't want him to come back again. | ||
| I want him to leave me alone. | ||
| What the fuck? | ||
| I want him to get off my back. | ||
| This is unsettling. | ||
| What the fuck just happened there? | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| Did we just turn into a weird trauma situation? | ||
| What is going on? | ||
| Yeah, this is very, very bizarre. | ||
| That was wild. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| So yeah, I guess that's a rationalization for why you're slamming someone's head into the concrete. | ||
| Because at that point, it's not self-defense anymore. | ||
| You're really... | ||
| So let me try and... | ||
| Let me see if I understand this story. | ||
| I didn't want him to come back. | ||
| Let me see if I understand this story correctly. | ||
| Has this person's head slamming it into the ground. | ||
| And they're asking a question, apparently. | ||
| Yeah, apparently they're like, Hey, wait a second! | ||
| Hey, hold up! | ||
| Why are you doing this? | ||
| Yeah, and then Alex, standing over them, holding their head in his hand, says, I want you to get off me. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| Gotcha. | ||
| I don't want you to come back. | ||
| I want to kill you so you can't believe me again. | ||
| Right, right, right. | ||
| And I understand, but that was a metaphor in a fictional book. | ||
| Apparently it's literal and not a Ben Carson story for Alex. | ||
| Boy, and it's also a made-up story still. | ||
| Yeah, but he gets emotional and seems to be on the verge of tears. | ||
| Yeah, I know. | ||
| Okay, man. | ||
| Unsettling. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| Not good. | ||
| You don't make me feel good. | ||
| No. | ||
| That's a big thing about Alex. | ||
| He does not make me feel good ever. | ||
| No, because, like, okay, I know the genre that this story belongs to, and that is the standing up to bullies story. | ||
| This is a bad version of a standing up to bullies story. | ||
| Because standing up to bullies generally is like, they're threatening violence against you, and then maybe you punch the bully, and they're like, okay, okay, okay, whatever. | ||
| I'm not going to pick on you anymore. | ||
| The point is, the violence as a whole stops. | ||
| Right. | ||
| All of the violence. | ||
| Right. | ||
| Or even, like, a great version of the story would be a bully's picking on you and you say, I'm not gonna take this anymore, and you stand up to them, and then it's just words that are able to diffuse the situation. | ||
| Perfect. | ||
| There you go. | ||
| A bad version of it is I'm slamming their head into the concrete and trying to make it so they can't hurt me anymore. | ||
| Right. | ||
| That is fucked up. | ||
| Right. | ||
| So what happened was this guy was like, uh... | ||
| Your shoes are stupid, and I hate bullies, so I beat his head into the ground repeatedly. | ||
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Yeah. | |
| I think this illustrates a real lack of understanding of, like... | ||
| Who a bully is? | ||
| Sure. | ||
| There's that. | ||
| Appropriate self-defense? | ||
| Yep, yep. | ||
| Losing your shit? | ||
| I mean, let's just say emotional control in any way whatsoever. | ||
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Yeah. | |
| No, you can't. | ||
| Yep. | ||
| You can't. | ||
| So this show sucks. | ||
| We have these things that are going on in it. | ||
| We have Alex losing his mind talking about murder. | ||
| We have the Trump interview. | ||
| We have Joe Biggs agitating against Muslims. | ||
| And then... | ||
| That was Joe Biggs from an undisclosed location. | ||
| He's going to be live in the fourth hour today. | ||
| They're going to six different jihadi training camps. | ||
| In fact, if you see that fence right there, you got one last night. | ||
| That's where that was shot. | ||
| This is obviously not very safe to do, so we're not announcing where he's at until he's left, or where he's going next. | ||
| We obviously had Donald Trump on, dropping bombshells in the last hour, and now, saving the best until last, we have the Motor City Madman, the Stranglehold King himself, Ted Nugent, joining us for the next 20-plus minutes to talk about the state of this country, the state of this world. | ||
| Ted Nugent, I've got to say that... | ||
| I'd love to see you as a vice presidential running mate with Donald Trump. | ||
| There's a lot of bad stuff happening, but I can feel the energy, the reawakening of America, liberty rising. | ||
| I've been very negative in the past, and correct me if I'm wrong, but are you not feeling the tectonic, explosive, volcanic energy, the rebirth of America beginning to happen, or am I wrong, Ted Nugent? | ||
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Well, Alex, you're number one, the truth is so glaring right now, the self-evident truth, the common sense, the logic that you share with everybody on your programs and with your voice. | |
| I salute you for that. | ||
| But, you know, here it is, December 2015. | ||
| and the whole All right. | ||
| Okay. | ||
| Great. | ||
| Okay. | ||
| Ted, Ted, you are so rich, and you live in the middle of nowhere. | ||
| And you just go hunting. | ||
| Why are you bitching? | ||
| Well... | ||
| Because. | ||
| I do like that. | ||
| I can feel the tide change. | ||
| Do you feel this? | ||
| Do you feel this, Ted? | ||
| Everything sucks. | ||
| I like that. | ||
| I don't like hearing Ted. | ||
| It is weird that the president of the United States, the future president of the United States, was on this show the same time Alex had people making up Fake stories about jihadi training camps. | ||
| Right. | ||
| Putting just average citizens at risk, quite frankly. | ||
| That is insane. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| I don't know how to process that. | ||
| Ted Nugent's on. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| What do we do? | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| Dan, this isn't real. | ||
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Yeah, I know. | |
| None of this is real. | ||
| It has a lot of the similar shades to the Rogan was on 9-11. | ||
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Yeah. | |
| You know, like, it is the, like, oh, that same day that Alex interviewed Trump, he had Ted Nugent on and suggested he should be VP and was airing the beginning of his segments where he sent his employees out to lie about Muslim communities. | ||
| Totally. | ||
| Yep. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| And that's, I mean, it's just, when we talk about the past of what we've talked about, this is fake, right? | ||
| We're asleep. | ||
| There's something going on. | ||
| We're going to wake up in a better situation where it's like, no, no, no, of course this wouldn't happen. | ||
| It's not possible. | ||
| It's absurd. | ||
| I mean, you're shaking. | ||
| I'm shaking. | ||
| So, you know, we have this episode where Trump is on, and clearly, Alex spent the time before Trump came on covering the news, which is just pro-Trump headlines. | ||
| Right, right, right, right. | ||
| So you kind of think, like, we're all in on this Trump guy. | ||
| Right. | ||
| Ted. | ||
| Ted? | ||
| Not all in? | ||
| No, he likes another Ted. | ||
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Ooh. | |
| I mean, Obama has been caught trying to set up a caliphate. | ||
| It's true. | ||
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What? | |
| He does want to overthrow this country, and I just wonder... | ||
| What is our establishment thinking? | ||
| I mean, I know they're not perfect, but they really want to put bags on our women's heads? | ||
| Well, you know, I hear hope coming from Ted Cruz and hope coming from Donald Trump, and I occasionally hear hope from Marco Rubio and Carly Fiorina. | ||
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I think they're some great people. | |
| I don't think they're the Michael the Archangel quite yet. | ||
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I think Ted Cruz would make the best president we may have ever had. | |
| Wow. | ||
| He's surprisingly intelligent. | ||
| Yes, and he's constitutional. | ||
| He's not a Ted Cruz guy. | ||
| He's a U.S. constitutional servant. | ||
| Man, they don't like Ted Cruz anymore. | ||
| Wow. | ||
| Yeah, that changed. | ||
| The winds can change! | ||
| So quick! | ||
| Tucker embarrassed him about January 6th, and now he is establishment. | ||
| No good. | ||
| Persona non grata. | ||
| He is frighteningly intelligent, though. | ||
| Boy, what does it take to scare these people with intelligence? | ||
| Not much, I don't think. | ||
| Yeah, it can't be that much. | ||
| I think you have to be on their side of the aisle. | ||
| Right, first of all. | ||
| That's a prerequisite. | ||
| And then what? | ||
| Long division? | ||
| Sure. | ||
| I would say so. | ||
| If you could do long division, five numbers or more, then you've got it. | ||
| This clip might not be all that meaningful, but Alex has some words about the Democrats, and I thought this was bizarre. | ||
| Especially considering on our last episode, we looked at a 2003 episode where Alex was You know, I can't even think of any Democrats that really look like Americans nowadays. | ||
| I'm absolutely appalled! | ||
| Well, that's it. | ||
| That's it. | ||
| I mean, the Democrat leadership and their constituents now more and more literally hate America and have a death score to settle and want to mount our head on the wall like a trophy when this country and our forebearers gave these spoiled-ass bitches everything they got. | ||
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Whoa. | |
| Weird. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| Weird. | ||
| Very out of left field. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| But, yeah. | ||
| I guess it's fine now. | ||
| Yeah, I mean, it doesn't have the ring of wet-ass pussy, but I think you could still make a pretty good song out of it. | ||
| Twelve years later, this show is no longer required viewing for homeschoolers, apparently. | ||
| No, no, no, no. | ||
| Because it's totally fine to just let foul language fly. | ||
| I guess they found out, they went back through their demographics and they're like, zero homeschoolers? | ||
| Wow. | ||
| Why have we been doing the Muppet Babies version of this? | ||
| Hey, Alex, let it fly. | ||
| Yeah, man. | ||
| So we have one last clip, honestly, because as Ted Nugent talked more, I lost my interest in what was going on. | ||
| Yeah, yeah, yeah. | ||
| And even though David Knight is going to be sheriffing the Joe Biggs conversation and a re-airing of the Trump interview, I felt like maybe I'm going to give that a pass. | ||
| So this is where I lost all patience whatsoever for this. | ||
| I would love to see you run for president, but I think it's a little late this cycle. | ||
| Who do you think a Ted Cruz or a Donald Trump should have for vice president? | ||
| And if they ask you to run for vice president or maybe the head of the Interior Department, that'd be perfect. | ||
| Well, thank you for that endorsement. | ||
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I appreciate that. | |
| And as you probably witnessed on my Facebook, with tens of millions, we hover between 10 and 34 million Facebookers. | ||
| And as we get way up there in the millions, in the 90 percentile that are asking me to run for president, that's an indicator that things are really, really bad. | ||
| Because the author of Wango Tango probably shouldn't be considered for the presidency. | ||
| Let me stop you. | ||
| I was driving back from Dallas two weeks ago. | ||
| Big old billboard at somebody's ranch saying Ted Nugent for president saw one in Arkansas six months ago, buddy. | ||
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It's everywhere. | |
| It's everywhere. | ||
| Also, I would say that in terms of songs that are disqualifying Ted from running for office, Wango Tango's low on that list. | ||
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Yeah. | |
| There's a number of other ones about wanting to fuck children that I think maybe are much more of a problem. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| That's one of the things that I think keeps Ted out of maybe consideration for public office. | ||
| The way he would be eviscerated by anybody he was running against. | ||
| I don't know, man. | ||
| I don't know anymore. | ||
| I don't know. | ||
| Herschel Walker's gonna be a senator. | ||
| Who fucking knows? | ||
| None of it matters. | ||
| They're all insane. | ||
| Everything's over. | ||
| Climate change is here today. | ||
| Everyone's going down. | ||
| It's all done, man! | ||
| I'm basing this on a 2015 mentality. | ||
| Exactly. | ||
| There we go. | ||
| That's how I save my comments. | ||
| Yeah, there's more that goes on in the Department of the Interior than just, hey, get off Hunter's backs. | ||
| I really don't think that they have any clue what the Department of the Interior does, other than be like, I think that's what the name is on the license, right? | ||
| It's about the inside. | ||
| It's about your soul. | ||
| It's about the grounds. | ||
| The Department of the Interior of your heart. | ||
| Right, right, right, right. | ||
| So yeah, this, I mean, look, I think that there's a world, in an argument to be made, that this interview really isn't as consequential as a lot of people build it up to be. | ||
| Right, right. | ||
| There is definitely the fact that it happened is of note. | ||
| The stuff that goes on in it isn't, like, it's not necessarily things Trump didn't say other places. | ||
| Right. | ||
| He said bomb the oil fields in other contexts. | ||
| Yep. | ||
| Talked shit about all kinds of stuff in other contexts. | ||
| It's not like revelatory on that level. | ||
| But from our perspective, looking at Alex Jones, certainly it's very clear what his agenda is. | ||
| In the interview, it's very clear that he's trying to make sure that Trump is actually doing this and actually going to run because it would be kind of dopish for him to throw his weight behind this person and then them back out and Hillary ends up winning. | ||
| Yeah, I mean... | ||
| But I guess that's kind of... | ||
| Like, what he ended up doing with Ron Paul over and over again. | ||
| I didn't really... | ||
| I wasn't really too, like, aware during the whole Ross Perot run, obviously, because I was very young. | ||
| But, like, looking back, the idea of being a Ross Perot supporter, and then he drops out of the race... | ||
| And you're like, shit, I was a Ross Perot supporter. | ||
| And then he just suddenly reappears and he's like, I'm back in it, baby! | ||
| That's the most disqualifying thing I can think of, right? | ||
| Just suddenly somebody popping up again. | ||
| I feel bad for Ross Perot in some ways. | ||
| In as much as, like, I think anybody who tries to think about Ross Perot can just think about the impression. | ||
| Can't do anything but it. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| Can't do it. | ||
| It's somebody who's... | ||
| The entire legacy or memory in most of the public eye is an impression of him. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| There is the church lady, and then there's Ross Perot, and those are the two things that Dana Carvey has ruined forever. | ||
| How dare you? | ||
| What about turtles? | ||
| Turtles. | ||
| Turtles will be fine. | ||
| Turtles. | ||
| Turtles will live longer than Dana Carvey, and they'll be gone long after Dana Carvey's gone. | ||
| Turtles. | ||
| Yeah, you know what I'm saying. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| So, we come to the end of this, and we have now covered Trump's appearance on Apple Watch. | ||
| Check that off the list. | ||
| Done. | ||
| And yeah, we'll see how long this vacation goes, but we have probably some stuff for next week in the hopper, so one way or another we'll be fine, but if he doesn't come back soon... | ||
| Holy shit. | ||
| Are we going to do a Harrison Smith podcast? | ||
| Oh, no. | ||
| Absolutely not. | ||
| Maybe. | ||
| No, we're going to stay in the past. | ||
| Never coming back to this present. | ||
| What if we try and find out what Harrison Smith was up to in 2003? | ||
| What if we try and find out? | ||
| When he was in middle school or something. | ||
| Elementary, probably. | ||
| I think we should try and find out what David Knight was up to in 1982. | ||
| Okay. | ||
| That seems like a more interesting question for me. | ||
| Was David Knight some young hotshot somewhere? | ||
| That's kind of what I want to... | ||
| Did David Knight bring the heat when he was a younger man? | ||
| I doubt it. | ||
| I mean, he won a contest to work at Infowars, so I don't think so. | ||
| It wasn't a heat-bringing contest, that's for sure. | ||
| I think he was just a curmudgeonly young libertarian. | ||
| That's my guess. | ||
| Oh, that's going to be disappointing. | ||
| Well, we'll never know. | ||
| No, that's true. | ||
| Anyway, we'll be back, Jordan. | ||
| But until then, we have a website. | ||
| We do. | ||
| It's knowledgefight.com. | ||
| Yep. | ||
| We're also on Twitter. | ||
| We are on Twitter. | ||
| It's at knowledge underscore fight. | ||
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Yep. | |
| We'll be back. | ||
| But until then, I'm Neo. | ||
| I'm Leo. | ||
| I'm DZXClark. | ||
| I have a sublet in my mind. | ||
| Going cheap. | ||
| You have your own bathroom. | ||
| I'm lying. | ||
| You don't have your own bathroom. | ||
| We share a bathroom, but you have your own bedroom. | ||
| There's no door, though. | ||
| It's just those beaded doorways. | ||
| Sure, sure. | ||
| Well, that's not too bad. | ||
| It's a stylistic choice. | ||
| That's not too bad. | ||
| Anyway. | ||
| And now here comes the sex robots. | ||
| Andy in Kansas. | ||
| You're on the air. | ||
| Thanks for holding. | ||
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Hello, Alex. | |
| I'm a first-time caller. | ||
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I'm a huge fan. | |
| I love your work. |
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