In Knowledge Fight #741 (Dec 2, 2015), Dan Friesen and Jordan Holmes dissect Alex Jones’ absence due to Sandy Hook lawsuits, noting a drop in viewership when others host. They play Trump’s 2015 interview, where Alex frames him as a "maverick" but fails to challenge his debunked claims—like Muslims celebrating 9/11 or oil seizures in Iraq—while promoting Crippled America. Jones’ son Rex and Roger Stone influence his pro-Trump stance, yet interviews like Ted Nugent’s reveal Alex’s focus on keeping Trump viable over substance. The episode underscores how Jones’ platform prioritizes spectacle over accountability, even when debunking his own rhetoric. [Automatically generated summary]
Because I remember back when I used to work in a movie theater and, you know, like, it was always so much easier to clean the floors at the movie theater than it is at home.
And I realized the reason why is it is so awful to bend down with the dust pan.
My bright spot is the British game show Only Connect.
So it's like a trivia show, but it's not.
You have to know an absurd amount of trivia.
But what's interesting about the game is that it's about finding the connections between things.
So they'll give you like a clue, and then they'll give you another clue, and they'll have to figure out what connects all four of these things.
So that impulse that so many people have towards making up connections, you know, our brains are wired to find connections, even if they aren't there.
It can be used for good to find out weird, strange things.
Like they might play four songs, and he'll be like, oh, in Greek, these all start with an I. Like, it's that kind of level of how specific you have to be to combine those things.
And it'd just be like three pop songs, and only an insane person would be like, well, obviously, you translate the title to Greek.
And then if you do that, you can see that all four of these are the same thing.
He clearly could not stop himself from further defaming people involved in the Sandy Hook lawsuits, saying that maybe Sandy Hook was fake.
Could not stop himself from doing that at all.
He clearly has a lot of business he needs to take care of with his lawyers vis-à-vis the cases that have already happened, the illusions about the appeal, the bankruptcy process.
All of this stuff clearly requires a ton of attention.
This is like when Alex needs to go out and get, you know, like he can't get a star, but get somebody on the rise that has some of that oomph, you know, some of that juzh, because Owen's not going to do it.
And I don't normally spend three hours writing questions like I did last night.
I knew last week this interview was supposedly happening today, but as it neared and as we talked to his people and as all everything got set up, it got pretty exciting.
But I'm going to let the drudge report tell folks in about 15 minutes who's coming on the show.
Another thing is Skype testing on the road is always a hassle.
So that's going on right now as we speak with them.
So I'd rather be in there monkeying around with that to make sure it all happens because the bigger the interview, the more gremlin snafus tend to get in the way.
But that's not something I'm particularly worried about here today.
But this will be an important interview, not just for this broadcast, the Liberty Movement, but the questions that will be asked are going to be very, very important and will definitely have an effect on a lot of things happening on the planet.
David Knight will be hosting in the fourth hour today, and I will assure you he will be talking about the guests we have joining us in about 17 minutes from now.
That will be the fourth hour.
We'll be re-airing parts of the interview and obviously covering news coverage of the interview that is coming up.
And at the start of the next segment, I will tell you, well, I will direct you to drudgereport.com here in the next six, seven minutes with a link that will take you to the audio and video feed where you can obviously see and hear that interview and share that link with friends and family so they can tune in and hear what's talked about.
Because it's not just going to be a big interview because this person's basically the biggest interview you can get in the world right now.
It's because this individual will be on this show.
And so it's like a chemistry set.
You add those two ingredients together.
It's called explosive.
And the individual coming on knows full well that's why this is being done.
I think it would be a situation where if that was the interview happening on 9-11, David Knight would still cover the interview and not well, it seems like they have equal measure.
Well, they might not have to mention, like, hey, also, this person's coming up, but you think that the interview would be advertised so everyone tuning in would know that the person was going to be on the show.
Right.
Because otherwise, this feels like apropos of nothing, here's all these great Trump headlines.
Yeah, I mean, but that's, that's one of those things where I, if it's so obvious what they want, I feel like the entire media structure has to be like, no, no.
You know, everybody has to agree that this is just, we're not going to be treated like this.
Because if they're going to exploit you so obviously, they're going to say it on air before you do the thing that they're going to make you do, then fucking you are the loser, you're the mark.
But to me, that is such a difficult line because, like, I know what you're saying, but at the same time, how do you not bring up that someone who is running for president was on fucking InfoWars?
You know, like, how do you not cover that?
It's the same thing, like, for us, where, like, Marjorie Taylor Greene was on with Alex, and like, they were joking around about how she should run for president.
It's obviously like a ploy for attention and what have you.
But how do you not talk about a very violently rhetorical member of Congress is on InfoWars right now with some marginal regularity on InfoWars.
That is relevant.
But yeah, it's the, how do you talk about this stuff without playing into the game of giving them the attention that they so clearly are desperately seeking?
And that same week you were reporting on that fact, we had two different international football games, soccer games, with the Turkish fans and others during a moment of silence for the dead people in Paris chanting a law bar and booing.
Trump was not vindicated in his claims, and people booing at a soccer game or saying, Al-Akbar has nothing to do with the claims that he made, so leave that aside.
That's basically awkward or inexplicable.
And if you want to say, like, during a moment of silence, people shouldn't yell anything, then that's fine, but you're making it a little bit targeted here.
So what happened was that Trump said something completely inaccurate.
And then instead of admitting that he was wrong, he pretended he'd made a completely different claim altogether.
He'd initially said, quote, I watched when the World Trade Center came tumbling down, and I watched in Jersey City, New Jersey, where thousands and thousands of people were cheering as the building was coming down.
Thousands of people were cheering.
So something's going on.
We've got to find out what it is.
A Washington Post article from around 9-11 does mention unverified claims of small amounts of people allegedly celebrating on a rooftop, but there's no video evidence of this ever happening.
Reporters have estimated that it was maybe six to 12 teenagers, quote, but even that is doubtful.
So that could be what he's talking about, but he said he saw a video.
Anyway, at this point, when Alex is interviewing him, the goalposts have completely moved.
And now Trump is declaring that he was correct because someone found video of Palestinians celebrating in the occupied West Bank.
This is not what Trump had claimed and what people were saying he was making up.
This is the state of things at this point, and Trump is not at all vindicated.
Also, Alex should be really against Trump's idea of surveilling mosques.
That seems wildly against Alex's principles about freedom of religion and the Fourth Amendment, but I guess he doesn't really care about those things too much when the group being targeted is someone other than himself.
And you have Trump essentially arguing for increased surveillance in a way that Alex would decry as tyranny in any other context.
And instead of giving any pushback, he's just right along with Trump in it.
And that's not, he should have stayed up four hours preparing his questions and maybe stealing his resolve to be able to push back in this setting.
You have a president that doesn't even want to talk about the radical Muslim stuff.
He doesn't want to mention the word.
He doesn't want to say it.
But you look at what's happening where we have a president that's over there celebrating global warming and trying to get everybody excited about global warming.
Like, that's our number one problem.
He considers that to be our number one problem.
And our number one problem is what's going on where they want to blow up our cities and they want to blow up our country.
Well, I've brought this up before, and that is that this appearance on Alex's show has to also be understood through the prism of Trump was on his book sale campaign at this time.
Right.
And so this is also a promotional stop for him to push his book.
Bin Laden was a well-known quantity by the time Trump put out this book in January 2000, mostly because he was an international terrorist leader and he'd bombed the World Trade Center in 1993.
Also, FactCheck reviewed Trump's book, and he didn't say any of this shit in it.
This is the only mention he makes of bin Laden in the entire book.
Quote, instead of one looming crisis hanging over us, we face a bewildering series of smaller crises, flashpoints, standoffs, and hotspots.
We're not playing the chess game to end all chess games anymore.
We're playing tournament chess, one master against many rivals.
One day, we're all assuming that Iraq is under control.
The UN inspectors have done their work.
Everything's fine.
Not to worry.
The next day, the bombings begin.
One day, we're told that a shadowy figure with no fixed address named Osama bin Laden is public enemy number one, and the U.S. jet fighters lay waste to his camp in Afghanistan.
He escapes back under some rock, and a few news cycles later, it's on to a new enemy and a new crisis.
That was his mention of something.
But he's maybe lying about the context in this interview.
I don't understand fundamentally how a human being could listen to someone as insane as Trump say, if people had listened to me, we would have stopped 9-11 and not go, oh, that guy's insane.
I don't get it.
I just don't understand any way that you could listen to that man say that he could have stopped 9-11 if everybody just listened to him and think, oh, that's not an insane person that needs to go away for a long time.
Beyond Trump just being full of shit about his book, Alex should strongly disagree with Trump's prediction.
Alex doesn't think that bin Laden was the mastermind of 9-11.
And if anything, Trump making this kind of prediction should be evidence that he was in on the attempt to set up bin Laden as the villain after the globalists did 9-11.
Of course, none of this is addressed, and Trump's ridiculous claim that nobody really knew who bin Laden was in 2000 goes unchallenged because Alex isn't in the business of actually engaging with anything that Trump says and how it's clearly contradictory to his pretend worldview.
I mean, the amount of time that I have spent like not understanding why we don't continuously talk about how bin Laden hit the World Trade Centers twice.
Like, that is the ultimate return to the scene of the crime situation.
Do you know what I'm saying?
Like, it doesn't get more.
The guy bombed it once and then he was like, oh, not enough.
And I think it's important as part of the contextualizing of the story.
And it also undercuts a lot of this.
Like, how could anybody have possibly even talked about bin Laden before?
Right.
But the reality is, though, too, what it is exploiting is that it is fair enough to say that prior to 9-11, Osama bin Laden wasn't necessarily a name that was on everybody's tongue.
Sure.
It wasn't somebody who was a household name that everybody was talking about.
But it's like that's the exploiting of that to claim that no one knew who he was or he was like an obscure figure is just ridiculous.
Well, the premise of the Iraq war, ostensibly, is that you had this tyrant who was in power.
And so we're helping overthrow this tyrant in order to bring a democratic state into existence and remove a threat to regional neighbors and the world's stability as a whole.
One is that he believes that Trump is a manifestation of this war that's going on behind the scenes, which is the counter-counter coup that Steve Pieczenik had been talking about at this time, which is very reminiscent of proto-Q, QAnon ideas that were going around even before the creation of that whole thing.
And so Alex expresses this: that Trump is like, you know, these people behind the scenes, the good people in government have brought him in to do this mission.
But there's another preoccupation.
So Trump is preoccupied with stealing oil.
And Alex is preoccupied with, please reassure me that you're not fucking around.
And I've talked to not just high-level folks that have been in government that are on your team, but separately high-level people in government currently that say there's an internal war going on and that you're a manifestation of that.
I don't want to get anything inside baseball with you, but I already know the inside baseball.
I know now from top people that you actually are for real and you understand you're in danger and you understand what you're doing is epic.
It's George Washington level and you understand that office.
So I want to tell you right now, can you speak about the war for the soul of this country that's happening right now and really tell people what's happening and commit to people that you won't Ross Perot under death threats and step down when you're in the lead two months from the election?
Well, I think this, I think that, sadly, I think that if we don't get it right this time, I think this is going to be the most important election our country's ever had.
I mean, you have to say George Washington is right there.
You know, the couple of pretty important elections, right?
I would be interested to know if there was a moment where you could talk to Trump and like, go back time travel-wise one more time.
If there's a moment where you could talk to Trump in like early 2016 and just be like, listen, if you keep campaigning for president, you can do all the rallies all the time.
Everyone will give you all the adoration that you want, right?
But if you become president, you're going to be stuck inside that room.
The man in the arena, his new book, we're going to talk about in a moment, is exposing the fact that this country is being sabotaged by design.
Specifically, I don't want to bring up detractors.
And it's a question I had early on that I did more research.
And if you really do want to save this country where your children and grandchildren live, but let's expand on this.
There are certain pundits out there saying you played golf with Bill Clinton.
And so you had to do business in New York.
So you said nice things about Hillary.
I get keeping your enemies closer when you're not in politics.
I get it.
I understand.
I think that's what you did.
But tell us specifically, and I don't think this now.
I've seen it.
I know you're for real.
You wouldn't be saying the things you're doing.
They're scared of you.
The whole system's coming out against you.
But promise us that you're not going to drop out at the key moment, keeping all the other Republicans out of view, and then Hillary races to the head or Jeb Bush does.
Because as you know, folks are claiming you're a Clinton operative.
But Alex is really desperately just trying to be like, just please, like, this is one of the stumbling blocks for the audience.
The audience, when I say that some detractors have said this, I'm saying that this is one of the criticisms that I can't hand wave away in the audience.
So I need you to do this in order to get them over that hurdle.
I actually respect a couple of people that are on the stage.
Some of them I have absolutely no respect for.
I mean, I think they're not very good at all at what they do.
You look at what's going on.
But I have respect for a number of people that are on the stage with me.
I have respect for a lot of people that are throughout this country, political people.
I'll pick somebody I think that can really be a great vice president who ultimately has to be a great president because that's 90% of that function is something bad happens.
If you view Reagan as being the Terminator 2 of ending the New Deal, then I suppose you would grow in appreciation for him as the New Deal continues to disappear.
You know, like Reagan's only gaining in popularity as we all discover that he's dismantled the entire country from the top down, which is proud.
I'm disappointed in all of us on a regular basis because it appears that the only thing we really want, really want, and will reward in our politicians is the ability to say nothing for a long time.
The comparison I just want to make is there is still a desire to work to make things better as best he can in whatever capacity he can, regardless of winning.
And you have someone like Trump like, I'll just watch TV.
Now, the other thing is you can see, as Alex is going out, one of the primary concerns that he has is this like, you're not going to quit.
You're not a Clinton chill, okay?
Right.
You know, like, really trying.
That seems to be the primary mission of this interview is just to convince the audience that he's not going to quit six months down the road or whatever.
As you know, I've wanted to go around to these reported jihad radicalization camps, a lot of them found out by the State Department and other agencies.
And we have InfoWars investigates, American Caliphate.
They're going to be gone for the next week plus in Texas, in New York, in Michigan, and in North Carolina, and many other states.
This is only round one of this.
The training centers, the military training areas, the fenced off areas where this is going on, what the locals think.
Joe Biggs is going to be on the first 30 minutes with David Knight of the fourth hour.
Then we will re-air in the fourth hour, the last 25 minutes or so.
The Donald Trump interview, David Knight, will be honestly a quarterbacking and traffic topping that hour.
So this is fun because Joe Biggs is currently facing seditious conspiracy charges for his actions on January 6th, where he was part of the Proud Boy leadership that planned to invade the Capitol to stop the certification of the 2020 election.
Also, this is a little bit before he got into his Pizzagate bullshit.
Also, worth noting is that this trip that Biggs went on is something we actually have some insight into thanks to information relayed by Josh Owens in his piece in the New York Times.
He worked for Infowars and was along for this very trip that's going to be discussed.
Here's how he described it to the Times.
Quote, in December 2015, the day before Jones interviewed Donald Trump, still a candidate at the time on his radio show, I made my way to upstate New York on assignment along with a reporter and second cameraman.
We were sent to visit Muslim-majority communities throughout the United States to investigate what Jones instructed us to call the American Caliphate.
After the California Geiger counter debacle, that was when they were sent out to get evidence that there was radiation and what have you, and it didn't work out.
We had meetings with Jones before trips in order to ascertain exactly what he wanted.
If we, quote, hit some home runs, he said, we would get significant bonuses.
They tried to make contact with folks in a community called Islamberg, but were turned away because of concerns for security.
From Josh's article, quote, because of the conspiracy theories about the place, Islamberg was a constant target of right-wing extremists.
That April, a Tennessee man was arrested and later convicted of plotting to raise a militia to burn Islam Berg's mosque to the ground.
Only days before we arrived, the FBI had issued an alert to law enforcement to be on the lookout for a man named John Ritzheimer, a leader of an anti-Muslim movement in Arizona who posted a video threatening violence against Muslims less than two weeks earlier.
So the phone call we received later that night from a law enforcement agent shouldn't have come as a surprise.
The officer who contacted us said he simply wanted to verify who we were after receiving a concern call from somebody in Islamberg.
We told Jones about it and he chose to believe the call was a veiled threat, an attempt to intimidate us into silence.
To him, this verified that we were onto something.
He even went so far as to include Michael Bloomberg, the former mayor of New York City, in the purported conspiracy, claiming he wanted to abolish the Second Amendment and that somehow intimidating us would achieve that.
Jones told us to file a story that accused the police of harassment, lending credence to the theory that this community contained dangerous potential terrorists.
I knew this wasn't the case, according to the information we had.
We all did.
Days before, we spoke to the sheriff and the mayor of Deposit, New York, a nearby municipality.
They both told us the people in Islamberg were kind, generous neighbors who welcomed the surrounding community into their homes, even celebrating holidays together.
The information did not meet our expectations, so we made it up, preying on the vulnerable and feeding the prejudices and fears of Jones' audience.
We ignored certain facts, fabricated others, and took situations out of context to fit our narrative.
So that's going on right now.
Joe Biggs is filing the first report from this clear, fraudulent coverage that was meant intentionally to stoke agitate against Muslim communities.
And you can hear even in Alex's coverage of this video that Biggs is going to be airing that is American Caliphate, the framing that came from Alex himself.
And it was like, this is what you're going out to create justification for coverage of.
And I'm sick of all these piles of crap getting in our way.
And I want you out of our way.
I don't like you.
I never liked bullies when I was a little kid.
I don't like them now.
And I lost.
No exaggeration.
I was thinking about it the other day.
It was probably over 100 fights.
When I was 10, 11, 12 years old, I lost with guys that were three, four years older.
But let me tell you, at a certain point, by the time I was about 12 or 13, it didn't matter they were three years older.
I kept pounding their faces in and jumping on them and ramming their head in the ground until they realized, hello, the cops would show up.
Somebody had blood coming out their ears and they'd say, my God, how'd you just beat up this 16, 17-year-old who weighs 230 pounds and you weigh 160 pounds?
What's going on with you, kid?
And I said, listen, they attacked me, and I stood up for myself.
Sometimes those bullies, when I had their head knocking it in the pavement, would ask the question.
And by the way, these aren't Ben Carson stories.
They're a lot worse than I tell you.
Everybody knows it.
Everybody's got a sixth sense.
I tell those bullies, I said, you wanted to hurt me.
Don't you get it?
I don't want to hurt you.
I want you to get off me.
I want you next time to leave me alone and to leave other people alone.
It's like, I don't want to plagiarize it, but I actually said that to people like an Ender's game when he kills the kid or beats the kid up and they said, why did you keep attacking him?
No, because, like, okay, I know the genre that this story belongs to, and that is the standing up to bullies story.
This is a bad version of a standing up to bullies story because standing up to bullies generally is like they're threatening violence against you, and then maybe you punch the bully and they're like, okay, okay, okay, whatever.
They're going to six different jihadi training camps.
In fact, if you see that fence record one last night, that's where that was shot.
This is obviously not very safe to do, so we're not announcing where he's at until he's left or where he's going next.
We obviously had Donald Trump on dropping bombshells in the last hour.
And now, saving the best until last, we have the Motor City Madman, the stranglehold king himself, Ted Nugent, joining us for the next 20-plus minutes to talk about the state of this country, the state of this world.
Ted Nugent, I've got to say that I'd love to see you as a vice presidential running mate with Donald Trump.
There's a lot of bad stuff happening, but I can feel the energy, the reawakening of America, liberty rising.
I've been very negative in the past, and correct me if I'm wrong, but are you not feeling the tectonic, explosive, volcanic energy, the rebirth of America beginning to happen?
Well, Alex, Joan, number one, the truth is so glaring right now, the self-evident truth, the common sense, the logic that you share with everybody on your program with your voice.
I salute you for that.
But, you know, here it is, December 2015, and the whole world sucks.
It is weird that the president of the United States, the future president of the United States, was on this show the same time Alex had people making up fake stories about jihadi training camps.
You know, like it is the, like, oh, that same day that Alex interviewed Trump, he had Ted Nugent on and suggested he should be VP and was airing the beginning of his segments where he sent his employees out to lie about Muslim communities.
So, you know, we have this episode where Trump is on, and clearly Alex spent the time before Trump came on covering the news, which is just pro-Trump heads.
I mean, the Democrat leadership and their constituents now, more and more, literally hate America and have a death score to settle and want to mount our head on the wall like a trophy when this country and our forebears gave these spoiled-ass bitches everything they got.
I would love to see you run for president, but I think it's a little late this cycle.
Who do you think a Ted Cruz or a Donald Trump should have for vice president?
And if they ask you to run for vice president or maybe the head of the interior department, that'd be perfect for you.
Would you be part of the government if folks wanted to get you involved?
Because I know a lot of Americans that want to see you involved in the Department of Interior so they're not harassing hunters and homesteaders and others.
And as you probably witnessed on my Facebook with tens of millions, we hover between 10 and 34 million Facebookers.
And as we get way up there into the millions, in the 90 percentile that are asking me to run for president, that's an indicator that things are really, really bad because the author of Wango Tango probably shouldn't be considered for the presidency.
Well, that's one of the things that I think keeps Ted out of maybe consideration for public office, the way he'd be eviscerated by anybody he was running against.
I really don't think that they have any clue what the Department of the Interior does other than be like, I think that's what the name is on the license, right?
So, yeah, this, I mean, look, I think that there's a world and an argument to be made that this interview really isn't as consequential as a lot of people build it up to be.
Right, right.
There is definitely the fact that it happened is of note.
The stuff that goes on in it isn't like, it's not necessarily things Trump didn't say other places.
He said bomb the oil fields in other contexts.
He talked shit about all kinds of stuff in other contexts.
It's not like revelatory on that level.
But from our perspective, looking at Alex Jones, certainly it's very clear what his agenda is.
Yeah.
In the interview, it's very clear that he's trying to make sure that Trump is actually doing this and actually going to run because it would be kind of dopish for him to throw his weight behind this person and then them back out and Hillary ends up winning.
I didn't really, I wasn't really too aware during the whole Ross Perot run, obviously, because I was very young.
But like, looking back, the idea of being a Ross Perot supporter, and then he drops out of the race, and you're like, shit, I was a Ross Perot supporter.
And then he just suddenly reappears and he's like, I'm back in it, baby.
That is, that's the most disqualifying thing I can think of, right?