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Sept. 21, 2020 - Knowledge Fight
01:24:38
#484: September 18-19, 2020

Jordan Holmes and Dan Friesen dissect Alex Jones’ baseless claims about Ruth Bader Ginsburg’s death—mispronounced as "Ruth Vader"—as a pre-election conspiracy, citing fake life expectancy stats and "eyesources." Jones and lawyer Robert Barnes push unproven theories of health secrecy while promoting a Catholic nationalist replacement, ignoring Barrett’s recusal stance. Guest Ollie Ali Alexander equates abortion to demonic "blood sacrifices," warning of leftist violence. Friesen mocks Jones’ disengagement (eating mid-segment) and the segment’s absurdity, urging listeners to oppose a rushed Supreme Court pick while dismissing the hosts’ credibility. The episode highlights how InfoWars weaponizes grief for political spectacle. [Automatically generated summary]

Participants
Main
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alex jones
infowars 10:07
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dan friesen
40:09
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jordan holmes
21:44
Appearances
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ali alexander
01:15
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harrison smith
infowars 03:39
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robert barnes
01:29
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Speaker Time Text
dan friesen
Hey, everybody.
Welcome back to Knowledge Fed.
I'm Dan.
I'm Jordan.
We're a couple dudes like to sit around, drink novelty beverages, and talk a little bit about Alex Jones.
jordan holmes
Indeed, we are, yeah.
dan friesen
Jordan.
Jordan.
jordan holmes
Quick question for you.
dan friesen
Sure.
jordan holmes
What's your bright spot today?
dan friesen
Okay.
jordan holmes
All right.
dan friesen
Tone changed quick there.
My bright spot today is I have decided to get into indoor apartment composting.
jordan holmes
Of course.
dan friesen
And so I have ordered a bag of worms.
I'm really just leaning in.
I'm leaning in.
jordan holmes
You are.
I told you a few days ago, I think it was.
I was like, you're just turning into the weird dad where you're like, I'm going to be in the garage for the next eight hours.
Nobody bother me.
dan friesen
Yeah, turning my space into that metaphorical garage.
Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah.
So now the bits of lettuce that I don't use can be eaten by these worms.
jordan holmes
Sure.
dan friesen
Very excited about it.
jordan holmes
That's good stuff.
dan friesen
Yeah, they've not arrived yet.
Must not want not.
There was that song that Alex plays or used to play whenever he was trying to attack Joe Rogan when he was calling him a sneaky snake.
There's that song, Snake Farm.
And I just keep singing in my head, Worm Farm.
I just can't stop doing it.
jordan holmes
Worm Farm.
You are susceptible only to certain songs and purchases.
Like if there was an ad company that was specifically targeted towards you, they could find a way to hack you completely.
dan friesen
Worms.
jordan holmes
Snake Farm got you to buy worms.
unidentified
No, I mean, it's not a one-to-one thing.
dan friesen
Anyway, what's your bright spot?
jordan holmes
My bright spot.
Dan, yesterday, my partner and I went out for a very long walk along the lakeside.
Did you know that we have a lake in Chicago?
dan friesen
What?
jordan holmes
Yeah, no, every time we travel, we're like, let's go walk along the beach.
It's amazing.
Let's go see the connection between the earth and the ocean.
And we're like, we'd never go see the fucking lake.
We walked along the beach.
It's beautiful.
There's a little bird sanctuary.
dan friesen
I was wondering why the old neighborhood I lived in was called Lakeview.
jordan holmes
Yeah, right?
dan friesen
You can view the lake.
jordan holmes
You can view it.
Huh.
It's not far away.
dan friesen
Weird.
jordan holmes
We never do.
We go other places and do all the shit that if we just decided to do in Chicago, we could do.
dan friesen
Yeah.
jordan holmes
Like, it's ridiculous.
dan friesen
But Lake Michigan is pretty gross.
jordan holmes
It is.
dan friesen
It's a dirty lake.
jordan holmes
It's really pretty, though.
And especially where we are, we're right at the edge there where you can see the city skyline while still having the bend and the lake around you.
So it looks like the city is almost an island or a peninsula there.
And it's very gorgeous.
dan friesen
It is, as long as you don't look too close.
jordan holmes
Don't look too close.
dan friesen
No.
jordan holmes
It was really windy.
That was the trick.
Yeah.
The waves look beautiful.
You couldn't see inside the water.
dan friesen
I'm complaining about the dirtiness of the lake, and I'm also going to have a colony of worms.
I contain multitudes.
jordan holmes
Yes, you are.
You are a very complex person.
dan friesen
Yeah, so Jordan, today we've got an interesting episode to break down.
jordan holmes
All right.
dan friesen
We're going to be talking about the 18th and 19th of September 2020.
I'm Dan.
This is 2020.
Oh, God damn it.
So, of course, on the evening of the 18th, Ruth Bader Ginsburg, Supreme Court Justice, passed away.
Who's that?
It's caused a lot of.
jordan holmes
Consternation would be the word I would choose.
dan friesen
Yeah, yeah.
I'm having difficulty processing everything, but maybe in a slightly different way than a lot of other folks.
jordan holmes
Sure.
dan friesen
Or maybe fairly similar to other folks.
I'm not entirely sure.
I'm worried about what comes next.
I'm worried about political actors' behavior.
I'm worried about the GOP.
jordan holmes
Yeah.
unidentified
And it doesn't feel good.
jordan holmes
No, no, it doesn't.
No, it doesn't.
It's fun, though, for me, just because now everybody's where I am all the time.
Everybody's very emotional, furious, confused, unhappy, willing to yell at the drop of a hat.
You're all in my world now.
Welcome to the fucking Thunderdome.
dan friesen
If anything, it really should give people greater appreciation of what you live with.
jordan holmes
That's what I'm saying.
dan friesen
How difficult it is.
jordan holmes
Again, this is all about me.
I don't know if you've noticed this.
dan friesen
Yeah, yeah, yeah.
jordan holmes
I'm pretty sure this is a simulation.
dan friesen
Certainly the passing of a Supreme Court justice is about you.
jordan holmes
What else am I going to do?
I laughed maniacally the moment it happened because, of course, that would happen then.
And then I cried because why wouldn't you cry?
And now I'm just vacillating back and forth between the two.
It's great.
dan friesen
That doesn't sound great, but it sounds human.
So what we've got is the 19th was Saturday, and Alex had a special Saturday show, Breaking Down the News and what have you.
Bunch of nonsense.
Real murderer's row of terrible guests.
But also, Alex is.
jordan holmes
Who should be on the Supreme Court?
Milania Trump, Dan.
dan friesen
Steve Pieczenik does not show up.
Probably was unavailable on short-term notice.
But we got Norm Pattis.
unidentified
No!
dan friesen
Former Alex Jones lawyer Norm Pattis.
jordan holmes
All right.
dan friesen
Former Alex Jones lawyer Robert Barnes.
Fuck out.
What are we doing?
Well, because he's, you know.
jordan holmes
We need the best legal minds of our generation.
dan friesen
He always introduces them as constitutional lawyers.
And so, like, there's a.
It's a natural fit for his show, but it is silly.
Yeah.
So what we also have is the 18th.
Now, when Alex did his show during the day on the 18th on Friday, there was no news.
This hadn't happened yet.
And so that's irrelevant.
We're going to ignore it.
Yeah, why would we?
However, Alex has started doing this thing called Election Countdown or whatever.
And it's a nightly show that's hosted by Deanna Lorraine and Harrison Smith.
jordan holmes
Get the fuck up.
dan friesen
And I think Owen Schroer, and then Alex will drop in sometimes.
And so because the major breaking news, Alex had to come in for election countdown.
So we've got that.
We've got Alex's time with Harrison Smith on the night of the 18th, and then Alex's show on the 19th.
And I would say that there's only one word that can describe this episode.
alex jones
This is going to be explosive.
dan friesen
Explosive.
jordan holmes
All right.
dan friesen
Okay.
jordan holmes
It's explosive.
So he's got a show with Deanna Lorraine and Harrison Smith.
Deanna.
Torture is a war crime, Dan.
dan friesen
It's true.
Deanna might be on that episode, but I turned it off once Alex left.
unidentified
Good call.
dan friesen
Because I don't care what Harrison Smith says.
jordan holmes
Absolutely not.
dan friesen
Look, I make my career listening to this horrible shit.
Sure.
And I have standards.
Yeah, yeah, yeah.
jordan holmes
Torture is a war crime, Dan.
dan friesen
So, I guess we should get down to business.
But before we do, let's take a little moment to say thank you.
Some folks who have signed up and are supporting the show.
jordan holmes
That's a great idea.
dan friesen
So, first, Ryan, thank you so much.
You're an IO policy wonk.
alex jones
I'm a policy wonk.
jordan holmes
Thanks, Ryan.
dan friesen
Thank you.
Next, Kyle B. Thank you so much.
You're an awful policy wonk.
alex jones
I'm a policy wonk.
jordan holmes
Thank you very much, Kyle.
dan friesen
Thank you.
Next, Jordan is a shitty flower.
Thank you so much.
You are now a policy wonk.
alex jones
I'm a policy wonk.
jordan holmes
Thank you very much, Jordan is a shitty flower.
dan friesen
That's a reference to Turd Blossom.
Ah.
Next, Aaron R. Thank you so much.
You're an IOW policy wonk.
alex jones
I'm a policy wonk.
jordan holmes
Thanks, Aaron.
dan friesen
Thank you.
Next, OneX InfoWarrior.
Thank you so much.
You are now a policy wonk.
alex jones
I'm a policy wonk.
jordan holmes
Thank you very much, OneX InfoWarrior, and congratulations.
unidentified
Yeah.
dan friesen
Next, Ewan C. Thank you so much.
You're an IOL policy wonk.
alex jones
I'm a policy wonk.
Thank you, Ewan.
dan friesen
Thank you.
Next, Chris B. Thank you so much.
You're an Aho Policy Wonk.
alex jones
I'm a policy wonk.
jordan holmes
Thanks, Chris.
unidentified
Hang out.
dan friesen
And finally, thank you so much.
Ed G, thank you so much.
Ooh, you're an IO policy wonk.
alex jones
I'm a policy wonk.
jordan holmes
Thank you very much, Ed.
dan friesen
Thank you, Eddie.
If you're out there listening, you're thinking, hey, I enjoyed the show.
I'd like to support these gents, do you can do that by going to our website, knowledgefight.com, clicking that little button that says support the show.
We would appreciate it.
jordan holmes
It would be very lovely.
Or what you could do is you could find your way next to a large body of water with your.
You're just not supportive, Dan.
dan friesen
Not a problem.
jordan holmes
You're just the first thing I say, and you just go, ugh.
Not this, Dan.
How about find a local bail fund or charity in your area and donate some goddamn money to it?
How does that feel?
dan friesen
That works.
jordan holmes
How does that feel, Dan?
dan friesen
I can support that.
Okay, good.
I will take your criticism, and it's totally fair.
I am not supportive of how you do that bit.
unidentified
That bit.
jordan holmes
I'm not supportive at all.
dan friesen
Trash.
jordan holmes
You started the bit and then you just hand it off to me.
dan friesen
Because I wasn't good at it.
Anyway.
jordan holmes
You do have standards.
dan friesen
Yeah.
So I have two out-of-context drops from today's show to supplement the explosiveness.
Okay.
The first is Alex discussing.
alex jones
Listeners and viewers, you don't need me to tell you that the left loves the Supreme Court.
unidentified
Ooh, the left loves the Supreme Court.
dan friesen
I don't need to tell you that.
jordan holmes
You know that institution that gave us such hits as a stolen election and Citizens United, i.e., the rest of the elections being stolen.
dan friesen
It implies on some level that the right doesn't love the Supreme Court.
jordan holmes
No, apparently they don't.
dan friesen
But Alex does have some positive things to say about somebody else.
alex jones
Hitler was very accomplished.
dan friesen
Oh, boy.
Total stud, complete badass, very accomplished.
jordan holmes
Very accomplished.
dan friesen
Yeah.
jordan holmes
I just think you shouldn't compliment Hitler that much.
dan friesen
I understand the point that he's trying to make.
Sure.
Like, the sort of thing, he did do a lot of things.
He's accomplished.
jordan holmes
He's accomplished.
dan friesen
That's something an edgy high schooler might say.
Not a serious political analyst.
It's not really a point that needs to be made.
unidentified
No.
dan friesen
one's sitting around and complaining about Hitler.
jordan holmes
All right, hold on.
Hold on.
Everybody, let's stop for a second.
Look, I know.
I know.
But consider how much he achieved in his life, Dan.
dan friesen
It seems trite.
Yeah.
Pointless.
So we start here on the 18th, the evening of the 18th.
Harrison Smith opens the show with breaking news.
harrison smith
Welcome, ladies and gentlemen, to the InfoWars 2020 election countdown coverage.
My name's Harrison Smith, and breaking news.
We have for you news that just came out minutes ago.
Justice Ruth Vader Ginsburg has died.
Supreme Court Justice Ruth Vader Ginsburg has passed away at the age of 87.
This is just breaking minutes ago.
NPR says Justice Ruth Vader Ginsburg, the demure firebrand, who in her 80s became a legal, cultural, and feminist icon, died Friday.
The Supreme Court announced her death, saying the cause was complications from metastatic cancer.
dan friesen
Why are you citing NPR?
Don't you hate NPR?
unidentified
Nah, they're the ones with the great quotes, though.
dan friesen
Isn't that intrinsically weird?
jordan holmes
No, no, no.
We read NPR, of course, to make sure that we monitor them.
And when they've got a good headline, they've got a good lead, man.
There's just nothing you can do.
dan friesen
You're supposed to believe that they're the enemy of the people.
jordan holmes
Yes, all people.
And their blurb about Justice Ruth Bader Ginsburg was too good to pass up.
dan friesen
It's weird.
jordan holmes
Look, just because you literally work for the Christian devil doesn't mean you can't write a good lead.
dan friesen
Seems strange.
So Harrison has some standards that he'd like to express about how this story is going to be covered.
harrison smith
And folks, if you think back to the last time a Supreme Court justice died, it was Anton Scalia.
And you remember the joy with which the leftists and liberals celebrated that death.
Well, we are not so low as them.
We don't celebrate to this death or any death.
dan friesen
Here's where I would like to play a supercut of Alex screaming about how she's a witch and burning in hell.
jordan holmes
Man.
dan friesen
But I did not end up creating it.
But you will get to hear Alex behave.
jordan holmes
Throw hands.
If you say that to me, Harrison Smith says that to my face, I'm throwing hands.
That's just what's happening.
dan friesen
We're above this.
jordan holmes
No, no, no, I'm hitting you.
I'm not above hitting you for saying something like that.
dan friesen
We are above that kind of undignified message.
jordan holmes
You know that violence is sometimes justified when somebody like him says some bullshit like that.
dan friesen
Well, and it's immediately followed up with this.
harrison smith
We don't celebrate to this death or any death.
We do, however, recognize that this is a massive opportunity for Trump.
dan friesen
I mean, what's your point?
jordan holmes
I really just.
The currency of the far right.
We would never do this.
But here's us doing it.
That's what they do.
That's their currency.
dan friesen
We're not going to celebrate this, but we're excited for the opportunity.
jordan holmes
Hey, this is a great thing for everybody involved.
What are we doing?
dan friesen
Very strange.
Very strange.
So there's a term that's used in the sort of final statement that Ginsburg put out.
And this becomes a hinge upon which Harrison Smith has his coverage rely on.
harrison smith
Now, as she was dying, just days before her death, as the NPR article says, as her strength waned, Ginsburg dictated this statement to her granddaughter: quote, my most fervent wish is that I will not be replaced until a new president is installed.
Interesting choice of words.
President being installed.
That's what the CIA does.
dan friesen
Harrison Smith can go ahead and just fuck himself.
Installed is a term that's very regularly used to describe the ascension of someone to a position of leadership, particularly presidencies.
If you just Google the terms install and president, you'll find tons of articles that are based on press releases about things like Larry Schnell being installed as the president of the Livestock Marketing Association back in August, or a 2019 announcement that Dr. Stephen McDonnell was installed as president of the Minnesota Dental Association.
If you consult dictionaries, the reason that this term is used regularly about heads of organizations is because it denotes that their ascending to that position requires a special ceremony, like an inauguration.
Grammatically, it makes total sense, but for Harrison, he knows that his listeners will just hear install and think of like some speakers they put in in their man cave, and that's the point that they'll get.
jordan holmes
Somebody put him in there, which is technically true, which is why there's a Supreme Court justice that has to stand there and be like, I swear you in.
That's called installing a president.
unidentified
Yeah.
Yeah.
dan friesen
The point here is that install means something that you did yourself, something you designed.
That's the point that he wants to make.
The word in this context doesn't mean that, and it's embarrassing to see Harrison play this game.
My next note here is: Harrison is damn boring.
He is trash.
He is so bad at this.
I don't care for him at all.
And at this point, I was just sitting here thinking, like, all right, you're playing this weird word game that's woefully transparent.
You're not interesting.
You're bad on the mic.
And so thankfully, you know, he saved the ship with this.
harrison smith
And, folks, I will be joined later in this program by Alex Jones, who has some breaking news about who may be appointed by President Trump.
Of course, one of these names off of the shortlist that he revealed last week.
dan friesen
So Alex is coming in, and I'm like, all right, at least he'll maybe be drunk.
There'll be some kind of firework.
jordan holmes
Be something great.
dan friesen
Alex will bring something to the table.
jordan holmes
He's going to jerk off on Harrison Smith's head.
dan friesen
This guy is just a dud.
It's really embarrassing.
jordan holmes
The worst part is he's doing the fucking vocal patterns of Alex, but in a very boring and uninteresting way.
Like the way he goes, like, and we have something new coming up, and then, and so, and what you have, and so that's why it goes.
dan friesen
I mean, I would believe that he's 26 as easily as I would believe he's 15.
unidentified
Yeah.
dan friesen
Like, I have no idea who this dumb intern is that Alex has made a host of his evening show.
But I would not be surprised if pretty much all of his experience in this arena comes from InfoWars.
jordan holmes
Yeah, so it makes sense.
So it's an in-house style, if you will.
dan friesen
Yeah, somewhat.
But the other thing, too, that's really annoying is that sort of we're not going to celebrate, but this is a great opportunity.
Sure.
That kind of weasely nonsense is just really annoying when it's coming from someone like Harrison.
harrison smith
Of course, he was a die-hard leftist and was sort of the ringleader of the liberals there on that court and was instrumental in making many decisions that we here on the right would consider severely damaging to our country.
But you know, I'm not going to say anything that.
I'm not going to say anything bad.
I'm not going to make any jokes about it.
Not going to play any distasteful songs from the Wizard of Oz.
I'll do no such thing.
We're not here to celebrate death.
dan friesen
You just did.
That's what that is.
jordan holmes
Okay.
dan friesen
That's saying that she's the wicked witch and ding-dong, the witch is dead without actually doing it.
jordan holmes
I'm not going to celebrate her death.
I'm going to sarcastically celebrate her death, Dan.
It's a completely different thing.
dan friesen
It's really.
jordan holmes
No one can tell the difference.
dan friesen
Stupid.
jordan holmes
I'm being very classy by intimating how much I'm celebrating that she's dead instead of out and out saying it.
dan friesen
Yeah.
I would never call you an idiot.
jordan holmes
Yeah, you dumb motherfucker.
dan friesen
It's just disingenuous.
I find it very annoying.
And I don't mind it from somebody a little bit more gifted.
jordan holmes
Yeah.
dan friesen
But Harrison.
jordan holmes
It's transparent bullshit either way, but from him, it's just petty and condescending.
dan friesen
When my job is essentially to take in this content, I do like find myself hating boring people more than who are interesting.
jordan holmes
If I have to survive this nonsense, at least entertain me.
dan friesen
It's taken as read that I'm going to hate you.
jordan holmes
Yeah.
dan friesen
Your policies, your beliefs are abhorrent, but there's a special circle of hell for people like Harrison who are so boring.
jordan holmes
Yeah, yeah.
dan friesen
And one of the things, too, is I just don't think he's all that confident.
I don't think he really knows how to cover this story.
And that's unfortunate because he's on air, it's breaking, and it's a giant story.
jordan holmes
Yeah, yeah, yeah.
dan friesen
And so there was like a Trump speech going on, and he's desperately trying to see what signals Trump is giving for the ability to like, oh, this is keeping an eye on President Trump at the podium now,
harrison smith
and we're eagerly awaiting the moment where maybe somebody in the crowd sees a tweet and shouts this out, or maybe an assistant of Donald Trump can sneak up and whisper in his ear that Ruth Vader Ginsburg has passed away, and maybe he'll make a statement about it.
That would be ideal because there's one thing we know about Trump.
It's that his off-the-cuff statements are often more truthful and certainly more appropriate and exciting than his prepared statements.
dan friesen
I need direction.
That's what I hear there.
jordan holmes
All I heard was him saying, please tell us what to think.
dan friesen
Yeah.
jordan holmes
I am unable to think on my own.
dan friesen
Yeah.
jordan holmes
And if I do say what I want to say and it's wrong, you're going to be mad at me.
And I don't want anybody to be mad at me.
dan friesen
There are probably more eyes on this than normal episodes that Harrison is doing because he's trash.
And there's people who are like, oh, let's check in and see what's going on over on this ding-dong outlet.
unidentified
And then you see this dweeb up there.
dan friesen
And he doesn't know what to do.
There's an inability to really take a stand.
Alex might.
jordan holmes
It does seem like what should have happened is the moment the news hit and he said it, Alex should have come barreling in off screen and like tossed him to the side.
dan friesen
Totally.
jordan holmes
Harrison can't do this.
Me.
Me time.
Me time.
dan friesen
Time for daddy.
jordan holmes
Yeah, exactly.
You haven't graduated to this yet.
Yeah, yeah, yeah.
Get the fuck out of here.
dan friesen
You, Harrison, this is the big time.
jordan holmes
This is the big league.
dan friesen
You can't fuck around with this.
jordan holmes
I'm not throwing in a rookie on this bullshit.
dan friesen
This is so important that I'm going to cover this shift.
And quite frankly, I don't even think Owen can handle it.
He's going to be beating you up in the other room, giving you a swerve.
jordan holmes
Yeah, exactly.
dan friesen
That's the pecking order.
Yeah.
And I think that Alex should have.
I think he should have run in there.
He should have started the show.
He should have been hosting from the beginning because when there's more people watching, obviously you have an expectation or a belief that you can monetize that.
jordan holmes
First impressions are everything, and Harrison should not be your first impression.
dan friesen
No, and he's not a closer either.
Like these ads are terrible that he does, too.
harrison smith
It's a Friday night.
We got a full crew in the house.
Alex Jones is in the house.
And of course, we have Norm Pattis on the line to break down everything.
All of the incredible events that will now be put into motion now that Ruth Vader Ginsburg has passed away at the age of 87.
And you can support everything that we do.
All of these great guests, all of the crew, myself, Alex Jones, we are all funded solely by you, the viewers, the listeners, the supporters, the InfoWarriors out there going to InfoWarsStore.com and taking advantage of some of our great sales.
Of course, it's the emergency election sale.
It's a total blowout.
dan friesen
Totally blowout.
jordan holmes
Oh boy.
dan friesen
That's just not going.
That's not going to do the trick.
unidentified
Like Borman buy a car from here.
Yeah.
dan friesen
Yeah.
Oh, boy.
That is not a call to action that is going to be effective in the InfoWars style.
Yeah.
And I just can't imagine it being worth the time.
jordan holmes
He didn't tell me I was about to die, and that's why I should help him.
So I'm not going to help him.
dan friesen
Right.
It's just a blowout.
You always have fucking sales going on.
jordan holmes
Is it still the Easter sale going on right again?
Yeah, I hope so.
dan friesen
It's an emergency Easter sale.
jordan holmes
It is an Easter an emergency.
dan friesen
So Alex does show up, thankfully, and business picks up, let's say, just by virtue of the fact that he knows what he's doing.
Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah.
And so he's trying to make the rationalization that Trump needs to immediately put someone in before the election.
alex jones
The average life expectancy with pancreatic cancer is six months.
She's lived four years with it.
She's been given Darth Vanderlever technology.
She's had liver cancer, a bunch of other cancers.
They have kept her alive.
And now with 45 days left, she dies.
That is going to be like throwing gasoline and oxygen on a fire.
It's going to be like flamethrowers in a fireworks factory.
The left is going to go apoplectic.
They're going to go thermal nuclear.
They're going to go completely crazy, completely ape.
And obviously, Trump should not wait until he wins or loses.
The left's going to say, oh, he should wait.
No, if the Democrats were in his position, they would nominate.
That process would begin.
dan friesen
Yeah, but in reality, we've been here.
We don't need to talk about what the Democrats would do.
jordan holmes
No, no, no.
Hypothetically, the Democrats would nominate a judge and put them to the floor of the Senate for a vote.
And then in that situation, the Senate would, of course, block the nomination until the election of the next president.
unidentified
Right.
dan friesen
It's not even like something we have to deal with in abstract terms.
It's very clear how this plays out because it did a couple years ago.
jordan holmes
God, I hate everybody so much.
I hate everyone so much.
Everybody who's like, oh, but you did this four years ago makes me want to throw up.
They make me want to throw up.
They really do.
Are you telling me you think that he was making a good faith argument back then?
Do you think that he was being, he was like, no, no, no, no.
I'm saying this because I think it's true, not because I just don't want to let a fucking naivete.
dan friesen
It's stupid.
Yeah.
jordan holmes
It's legitimately stupid.
dan friesen
I think that most people have shame, and therefore you have an expectation that if you were called out for doing exactly the opposite thing that you said you would do, you would feel bad about it.
unidentified
Of course.
jordan holmes
It would be too obvious.
dan friesen
I think it's naive to assume that politicians, particularly on the right, are capable of that.
jordan holmes
I'm more disappointed with anybody on the left who is like, no, we don't need to do that because he didn't do that.
Fuck you.
You're being hypocritical.
He was just lying.
You're the one who's like, if this situation, because what they're doing is they're saying, if this situation happens again, we've already set two precedents, so we can never employ.
What kind of morons are these people?
I'm doing great, Dan.
dan friesen
Great.
jordan holmes
I'm doing great.
dan friesen
So the Patriots, people like Alex, people like Harrison, they're, you know, they're above it.
They're above relishing someone's death.
jordan holmes
Now, admittedly, we love relishing their death.
But we're above it.
dan friesen
They're above it.
Now, here's where Alex starts to get fancy.
jordan holmes
Of course.
alex jones
And this, you know, I talked to a White House advisor as well, not to two of the White House lawyers today, just in the last 30 minutes before he went, well, you're already live.
I was talking to him.
And they said, look, the really sick math is they had her own life support.
They could keep her alive with adrenaline and growth hormone and blood transfusions.
And it was her wish to go ahead and die to get the vote out as a blood sacrifice because her main mission was to get abortion, which she helped you through.
And that blood sacrifice that Schumer talked about.
You know, you want a war, quit letting us have the blood of the babies.
We need that satanic energy.
And so this skexy who went on to, you know, obviously meet her maker in the ninth circle of Hades today.
I mean, there's no doubt Ruth Gator Binsberg, you know, who helped kill millions of babies, is facing God today.
And we're not going to ask what God's judgment.
I think it's pretty obvious.
dan friesen
Ruth Gator Binsburg.
jordan holmes
See, now, Dan, I have been looking at all the news today.
dan friesen
Yeah.
jordan holmes
I've even been going into weirder circles, trying to find somebody with a better take on this than just what we all know, which is that this is fucked up and insane, and everybody is scrambling because it probably won't end well.
Yeah.
And I couldn't deal with Alex because that's your job.
Sure.
Right.
And so I was so disappointed that nobody had anything good.
But hearing Alex say that this was a blood sacrifice warmed my heart, David.
unidentified
Yeah.
jordan holmes
It warmed my heart.
dan friesen
Thank you.
Ruth Gator Binsburg, who chose performed a blood sacrifice to get the vote out.
jordan holmes
Yes.
Yes.
Thank you.
Thank you.
Nobody even into nobody said that Mitch McConnell probably killed her with polonium poisoning.
Nobody had anything good.
But now that I know that it's a blood sacrifice to get the vote out, I'm in.
dan friesen
I told you business was picking up.
jordan holmes
Business is picking up.
dan friesen
Here's a Smith Care come in with that shit.
unidentified
That's Alex.
dan friesen
That's the difference between a pro and a guy who should be on the bench.
Yeah.
He's 40 home runs a year right now.
So Alex gets to discussing his inside information that he's got from talking to White House lawyers and stuff.
He knows who the pick is going to be.
alex jones
I got a call from a lawyer that works for the president.
And then I made another call to a lawyer literally 45 minutes ago, right as the show was starting.
And I said, what's the word?
And they said, it is Amy Coney Barrett.
Now, Trump could change his mind tomorrow, but.
dan friesen
Well, so that means nothing, though.
unidentified
Nothing.
dan friesen
Yeah.
I have to say that.
Amy is Coney Barrett.
jordan holmes
Yeah.
Yeah.
People are stupid.
unidentified
Yeah.
jordan holmes
Yeah.
dan friesen
So that's Alex's big push.
unidentified
Right.
dan friesen
He's saying that Barrett is going to be the pick.
He's pretty regular on this point on this episode and at the beginning of the 19th, although something does end up changing.
jordan holmes
He winds up supporting Merrick Garland.
Yeah.
dan friesen
That would be a twist.
jordan holmes
That would be a twist.
dan friesen
Yeah.
And, you know, I think that Alex also is a little bit unsure how Trump is going to play this.
jordan holmes
Sure.
dan friesen
And so he too really wants to get signals from Trump's speech.
alex jones
And they don't have all the answers either.
I mean, they asked me my opinion, but I gave them mine.
And they said, listen, they didn't murder Ginsburg, but she was being kept alive by some very serious drugs.
And they said, we'll come on tomorrow or give me sources tomorrow.
She may have given up the ghost and said, go ahead and let me die before the election to supercharge all of the Democrats to go out and vote and to go crazy.
So if things were already, I guess Trump's speaking live.
He talks about Ginsburg.
Let's go to it.
You just got to go to it.
unidentified
He talks about Ginsburg.
harrison smith
The crew's watching, we're going to clip that.
alex jones
Because we wish nothing against Ginsburg.
And we're sad that she's dead, even though she presided over the murder of all these babies and is a ghoul-like creature that tried to put women in the slave factories.
dan friesen
Okay.
So, yeah.
jordan holmes
That was a really good eulogy.
unidentified
Yeah.
We're sad that she's dead, even though murder records.
dan friesen
We wish no harm on her.
She's dead.
What harm are you suggesting?
jordan holmes
Guess the afterlife?
I don't know.
dan friesen
Maybe.
jordan holmes
I mean, isn't it?
dan friesen
He's already said that she's in the ninth circle of hell.
jordan holmes
Yeah, no, he said ninth circle of Hades, which he's mixing up his mythologies there.
But also, wasn't that the cold one?
She doesn't even need to worry about it.
I bet it was too hot.
dan friesen
Are those robes good and insulated?
jordan holmes
I think so.
That's why we give them.
dan friesen
So Alex doesn't.
He doesn't stay for very long.
He ends up leaving.
And then maybe Norm Pattis got on the phone or Deanna Lorraine came in.
I couldn't tell you because I don't care.
jordan holmes
Who cares?
dan friesen
Fuck you, Harrison Smith.
jordan holmes
We got blood sacrificed.
What is Norm fucking Pattis going to come with the fuck out of here?
dan friesen
You can't really.
jordan holmes
Well, no.
dan friesen
When I say for the second time that Ruth Bader Ginsburg's death was a blood sacrifice to get the vote out, you can give me the light.
I have five.
I will be out of there shortly.
unidentified
I've done what I need to do.
dan friesen
So we jump in on the 19th.
Alex's Saturday show.
And his tone is weird.
unidentified
She just died?
Wow.
I didn't know that.
I just, you're telling me now for the first time.
She led an amazing life.
What else can you say?
She was an amazing woman.
Whether you agreed or not, she was an amazing woman who led an amazing life.
I'm actually sad to hear that.
I am sad to hear that.
Thank you very much.
Is this what millennial Forrest Gump is going to look like?
alex jones
I don't know.
jordan holmes
Is this what we're going to have to live with?
This is going to win an Oscar.
unidentified
All the munchkins and their descendants.
If any.
Yes.
Let the joyous news be spread.
The wicked old witch at last is dead.
alex jones
You know, folks, someone said this is in bad days, but you did!
jordan holmes
You said that was in bad days!
unidentified
Harrison said, You did!
dan friesen
Harrison literally said, I could play that clip from the Wizard of Oz.
jordan holmes
God damn you.
dan friesen
Yeah.
jordan holmes
Eight hours.
dan friesen
Now, the thing that I find really weird, and I didn't realize this, is that that clip of Trump finding out that Tiny Dancer is in that clip.
No.
jordan holmes
I thought he was playing it.
I did too.
Tiny Dancer was in the clip.
Who put Tiny Dancer in the clip?
dan friesen
Because he's at a rally.
He's at a rally, and so the Tiny Dancer was playing on the speakers.
And so that is like it's in.
That makes it even more surreal.
jordan holmes
The darkest timeline, also the most parody.
dan friesen
It's very surreal.
What are we doing?
I do really admire in a hating kind of way the balls that it takes to basically have a whole thing about how we're classy and we're not going to not gonna stoop to the levels that the left might and then literally the next day open your show with the specific example of classlessness that you won't stoop to.
jordan holmes
Look, we can't put a Supreme Court justice in during an election year.
Now, admittedly, if it was me, I would put an Assurant Project.
unidentified
Ding dong, whatever.
jordan holmes
Jesus Christ.
dan friesen
So, Alex seems to really relish this situation, the tensions that are going to rise.
And I think that makes sense because it's definitely one of the things that he can most easily monetize.
alex jones
Obviously, 44 days out from the election, you can cut the suspense with a knife.
The year is 2020.
It is not disappointing.
It has been amazing.
It has been horrible.
It has been exhilarating.
It has been infuriating.
It has been nauseating.
It has been painstaking.
It has been piercing.
And let me just give you a little newsflash.
I think you don't even need to tell you this.
You tune in because you already know this is already in your gut.
That's why we resonate.
You just tune in for the validation you already know is real.
The kinship.
It's not going to get any better next year.
It's only going to get crazier from here on out.
So just get ready for that.
You talk about the hot seat, folks.
I go marching around with a crew in like 100-degree temperature and I'm hardly sweating.
And they're like, you're not even sweating.
But you're in air conditioning at 69 degrees.
You're sweating.
Because as soon as I get on air and there's hundreds of thousands of people tuned into these special shows, millions tuned in on the regular shows.
That is a zeitgeist.
That's a spiritual connection.
I start sweating because this is big stuff.
dan friesen
And because I'm on cocaine.
Yeah.
Because there's stimulants in my super male vitality.
unidentified
This year has not disappointed, Dan.
jordan holmes
It's definitely not been a year that I have been more disappointed in literally everyone on the planet than ever.
But no, it hasn't disappointed.
dan friesen
It's been so disappointing.
I'm buying worms.
jordan holmes
Yeah.
All right.
I can't afford a casket.
I'm buying worms.
dan friesen
Okay.
jordan holmes
Yeah.
dan friesen
I don't know.
So Alex introduces his guests.
And like I mentioned already, we got Barnes.
We got Norm.
jordan holmes
We got the heroes.
dan friesen
They're both coming up.
And it's just funny that neither of them are his lawyer in the Sandy Hook case anymore, but they're still coming on.
jordan holmes
Bananas.
dan friesen
Very weird.
jordan holmes
What is wrong with people?
alex jones
And so, right as we went live, sweat.
Because this is big medicine.
This is big kahona.
This is all our ancestors fighting to have resistance right at this point to have us make it past this point where Satan is trying to exterminate our species.
And our ancestors are counting on us right now.
And our very cells are demanding we kick some ass.
As soon as I go on air, all my old aches and pains go away.
All of a sudden, my muscles feel younger.
I feel all loose because it's a war, people.
You're in the fight now.
unidentified
War.
alex jones
And if you're not having that feeling, something's wrong with you.
I can feel it, can't you?
And I can feel the enemy's lust to destroy it, and they will not.
Now, let's get into it.
We've got Constitutional Lawyer Norm Pattis popping in at the bottom of the hour to get his take on what's coming.
Bob Barnes is going to be joining us.
dan friesen
Weird pause there.
I would say that this show does not deserve to be taken seriously.
This weird growling explanation for why he's sweating, leading into my two former lawyers are going to come and talk shit.
unidentified
Yeah.
dan friesen
Very dumb.
unidentified
Yeah.
jordan holmes
Yep.
We're fighting the literal Christian devil.
And just to prove to you that we are fighting him, I am going to make literal demon sounds as my way of proving to you that I care.
dan friesen
And don't worry about all this sweat.
jordan holmes
No, no.
Don't worry about all this sweat here.
dan friesen
I know it's suspicious, but don't worry about it.
jordan holmes
No, no, no.
I have to create an entire mythology for why I'm sweating so much.
dan friesen
When I get on to my show, my pain goes away.
Like what he's describing is just adrenaline.
jordan holmes
Yeah.
dan friesen
That's all.
jordan holmes
Yeah.
Whenever anybody's like, oh, it's stage health in stand-up comedy.
And it's no, you get on stage, you're pumped full of adrenaline, and then you get off, and your adrenaline goes away, and you're like, oh, I still feel like shit.
dan friesen
Yeah, whenever I would.
One of the things that I noticed very regularly in my time doing stand-up was that getting on stage in front of a bunch of people is a really effective hangover cure.
Totally.
Really, like, whatever that adrenaline boost and like the feeling that you have of the pressure and that, like, it takes away so much of the dull pain.
jordan holmes
Totally.
dan friesen
But then you get off stage 15 minutes later and you're just like, yeah, yeah, yeah.
jordan holmes
No, there's so many times.
dan friesen
That's why the trick is to drink while you're on stage and keep it going.
Yeah, yeah.
So you've defeated the hangover by being on stage.
Take a couple shots while you're on stage and you'll be good afterwards.
jordan holmes
There's nothing like the 11 o'clock at Zaney's on a Saturday night, buddy.
dan friesen
That's how you get through a hangover.
So, yeah, I think Alex might be a little over the top.
Maybe.
Maybe he's just sweaty.
jordan holmes
Maybe he's just a little sweaty.
dan friesen
Yeah.
jordan holmes
That's fine.
dan friesen
Anyway, earlier on the previous day's show, Harrison was playing a lot of games with the word installed being used in Ginsburg's statement.
And Alex has decided that this is good enough to keep.
unidentified
Sure.
alex jones
So they're trying to act like it's bad that Mitch McConnell and Trump have done the right thing.
That's a no-brainer.
You know, they would do that in a minute.
But here's the key.
What did RBG, Ruth Bader Ginsburg, dying words, if you believe it?
dan friesen
Gator.
alex jones
And her most fervent wish, quote, my most fervent wish is that I not be replaced until a new president is installed.
Guys, give me the definition of installed.
Installed means put in place.
You install a puppet.
Installed is the term they use of installing a new dictionary or installing a viceroy when a king puts in a puppet.
unidentified
Sure.
alex jones
Presidents are not installed.
dan friesen
What?
They are.
jordan holmes
No.
Nope.
Never.
Presidents can't be installed.
unidentified
What?
jordan holmes
Nope.
Words don't mean anything except for what I want them to make.
dan friesen
It's very strange that they thought, like, this is good.
This works.
jordan holmes
It plays, Dan.
It plays.
Word plays.
dan friesen
It's so dumb.
Alex keeps going down this road, too.
He seems like really interested in this theory.
unidentified
Oh, man.
alex jones
Let's type in Kim Jong-un installed after father's death.
Because they didn't have an election.
He was installed, whatever it was, 12 years ago.
Kim Jong-un installed as North Korean supreme leader.
BBC.
Let's see if my memory just off the top.
My brain was right.
How many years ago was he installed?
jordan holmes
This is great radio.
alex jones
Wow, so it was nine years ago.
Like I said, time just flies.
I felt like longer.
So my brain was not correct.
Nine and a half years ago.
Installed, RBG's dying words.
unidentified
My most favoured wish is that I not be replaced until the last time.
dan friesen
The class president is very old.
Very classy.
jordan holmes
Classy shit.
alex jones
Can we show the scene where the Emperor Skexy dies and the new one is installed?
Can we?
dan friesen
Good stuff.
jordan holmes
Good stuff.
dan friesen
Words, man.
jordan holmes
This is great stuff.
Hey, words.
It is always really disappointing to know that at the end of the day, no matter how eloquent your argument, if there's a crowd of people just chanting, install, install, install, you lost.
dan friesen
Right.
jordan holmes
You lost.
Doesn't matter what your argument is.
They're screaming, install, install, install, install.
dan friesen
Yeah.
jordan holmes
Okay, fine.
I guess that's what you got.
dan friesen
I could break out Websters for you.
jordan holmes
Yeah, right.
dan friesen
But he's yelling install over and over again.
jordan holmes
That's a pretty good argument.
That's a pretty good argument.
dan friesen
I hate Alex Jones, and even I think, like, he might be on to something.
He does keep yelling that.
jordan holmes
Let's check the dictionary definition of install.
Alex, there's more than one.
How dare you!
dan friesen
So the night before, on the 18th, Alex had said that Trump's lawyer had told him that it was probably going to be Amy Coney Barrett.
Sure.
And now.
jordan holmes
Are you making good bets on that?
dan friesen
He seems to be walking that back a little bit, being a little more general.
alex jones
But can you imagine what they're going to do with whoever that nominee is?
I'll bet my bottom dollar it's a woman.
And as long as they're a constitutionalist, I don't care if they appointed all women.
I just don't want a bunch of globalist women like Kagan and Sotomayor and the rest of the people that are up there that vote like they're on the Communist Party pollut bureau, not Supreme Court justices.
dan friesen
So now he's saying he thinks it's going to be a woman, which is fine, but less specific.
jordan holmes
I don't care if it's a black person.
I just hate Thurgood Marshall, and I would prefer Clarence Thomas to be in there, you know.
Like a good person.
dan friesen
Alex, the night before, said that inside sources from the White House were saying Barrett.
alex jones
Right.
dan friesen
Now he's a little more general.
unidentified
Probably going to be.
dan friesen
Which is weird because if he actually had a real source, it seems like he would continue being like the word is.
jordan holmes
Yeah, that seems like the ball is rolling pretty fast in her favor.
Yeah.
dan friesen
So now here's where things get really weird.
I mean, we've already had blood sacrifice.
jordan holmes
Sure.
dan friesen
Certainly.
jordan holmes
Sure.
That's Topps so far.
dan friesen
Yeah.
Now it gets even stranger because Alex suggests that maybe it's possible that Ruth Gator Binsburg has been dead for weeks.
jordan holmes
Okay.
alex jones
This is why my keeper has probably been dead for weeks.
But they wanted to wait as long as they could.
Eyesources said she was dead a month ago.
I've been seeing a month.
Remember, she was in the hospital for weeks and all these surgeries the word was.
But they wanted to push it longer so that it's closer up to the election so that there's not as much time.
But Mitch McConnell has the time because they knew Ginsburg was going to be going.
Most people live about 12 months with pancreatic cancer.
dan friesen
This is like QAnon shit, man.
unidentified
Yeah.
jordan holmes
You know, I totally understand why people retreat to conspiracy theories now.
Right now, I'm imagining living in a world where Ruth Bader Ginsburg was dead a month ago.
Yeah, and it's better.
It's better than the one I'm living in right now.
dan friesen
It's strange.
jordan holmes
It's more fun.
dan friesen
I guess I would ask why because this argument that Alex is making doesn't hold water.
jordan holmes
No, no, no.
It makes perfect sense.
dan friesen
You wanted to push it a month forward in order for it to be more of a tense situation.
I got bad news for you.
If this happened in April, it would be a tense situation.
jordan holmes
I have bad news for you.
Period.
dan friesen
Yeah.
jordan holmes
It is a tense situation.
dan friesen
Yeah, you don't need to wait a month to get the biggest bang for your buck.
jordan holmes
Scalia died, and it was a big tension situation.
She could have died anytime.
dan friesen
Yes, absolutely.
Especially during an election cycle.
Like at any point during the 2020 primaries or anything, it would have been fine.
jordan holmes
Yeah, yeah.
dan friesen
There's no reason.
Like, a month makes no difference.
unidentified
No.
dan friesen
Realistically.
jordan holmes
None.
Like, oh, no, no, no.
Mitch McConnell doesn't have the time to organize everybody.
unidentified
Yeah.
jordan holmes
That's what it is.
They wanted to push it back a month because if he had those extra four weeks, he'd be fucked.
Yeah.
dan friesen
I'm sure that by the time this episode comes out.
jordan holmes
Yeah, there will be a vote.
dan friesen
Yeah.
McConnell doesn't give a fuck.
jordan holmes
No, of course not.
Absolutely not.
dan friesen
Yeah, so but the thing I think is really interesting is that Alex recognizes, even he's not so stupid that he doesn't realize, like, if I'm going to suggest that she's been dead for a month, I better have a reason.
unidentified
Yeah.
dan friesen
Now, that reason is stupid.
jordan holmes
It's incredibly stupid.
dan friesen
It makes no sense.
jordan holmes
None.
dan friesen
It doesn't support his conclusion, but yeah, maybe she's been dead for a month.
jordan holmes
I like it.
dan friesen
His sources told him that.
jordan holmes
I just haven't read any good takes, but now that I know she's already been dead for a month, that's even more disappointing.
You've had a month to write a good take on Ginsburg's death.
This is what we get from Schumer and Pelosi if they had a month to think about it.
dan friesen
They might not have known.
It's a need to know.
jordan holmes
That's fair.
dan friesen
That's fair.
jordan holmes
It is a friends and family-only situation.
dan friesen
Only QAnon Weirdos Online and Alex's fake source were let in on this big secret.
jordan holmes
Yeah.
dan friesen
Silly.
Oh, God.
Anyway, Alex, he's really enjoying shitting on the dead in this episode.
jordan holmes
No, it's not Class.
dan friesen
Which Harrison would not be cool.
jordan holmes
It's not cool.
alex jones
Ruth Bader Ginsburg is part of an anti-human, globalist cult and a cult that wants to keep babies alive in incubators and sell their organs.
She is a ghoul.
dan friesen
You're just talking shit.
jordan holmes
Wow.
dan friesen
Yeah.
Yep.
jordan holmes
All right.
dan friesen
So now Alex, his belief is that Trump needs to put someone in, obviously.
And then when Trump wins the election, Clarence Thomas needs to get out of there so they can replace him with someone younger.
I'm not sure what that is.
So Trump will be effectively have put in, what, four of nine?
jordan holmes
Yeah, yeah, yeah.
It would almost terrify the Supreme Court so comically stupid as to be pointless and useless.
Oh, wait, it already is.
dan friesen
So yeah, Clarence Thomas has got to go.
And Alex, in talking.
jordan holmes
Why did he pick Clarence Thomas?
dan friesen
I don't know.
So in talking about this, he kind of wants to bring up Scalia, but he can't remember his name.
jordan holmes
Sure.
alex jones
The right thing to do is as soon as Trump wins again, Clarence Thomas, he should retire and not act like Ruth Bader Ginsburg.
I don't think Clarence Thomas is a bad guy.
jordan holmes
I do.
alex jones
But since Scalise died.
jordan holmes
Scalise?
Steve Scalise?
alex jones
Since the last Supreme Court justice died that he was always imitating.
jordan holmes
Grover Cleveland?
alex jones
He has had some rulings that have not been as good.
And that's another issue.
Scalia.
When Scalia died in that Bohemian grove of Texas, remember all that?
Obviously, they killed him.
dan friesen
Obviously.
jordan holmes
Obviously, they killed him.
dan friesen
I love the temerity of Alex to be like, I can't remember this guy's name, but it was definitely murdered.
jordan holmes
Obviously, they killed him.
It was big news.
So big, I could never forget his name.
dan friesen
Right.
And I got him confused with Scalise.
I mean, they're very similar names.
jordan holmes
No, if it was it.
Yeah, fuck him.
dan friesen
Alex refuses to bow down to Ruth Gator Binsburg.
jordan holmes
Oh, no.
dan friesen
And I mean, it's just when you have people who have the beliefs that Alex is expressing, like, there's no real way to find a center.
alex jones
No, I'm on purpose not bowing down to Ginsburg because she supported afterbirth abortion, killing babies after they're born.
I'm all about women's empowerment, the rest of it.
But that's just something early she did to make her bone.
She became an establishment person that presided over so much bad stuff.
And I just hope she gets replaced with a constitutionalist, a nationalist, a patriot.
dan friesen
When you believe that access to safe abortion care is equivalent to murdering babies after they're born, there's just no remittal to find.
No.
That is a position where that person's not going to change their mind unless they're internally motivated to do so.
Nothing you can say is going to be effective.
It's just.
jordan holmes
Nope, they're gone.
dan friesen
Yeah.
jordan holmes
It's just gone.
unidentified
Yeah.
Yeah.
dan friesen
So Alex has this view of Ginsburg, and he, you know, she's a demon.
She's in hell now.
All of this.
unidentified
Sure.
dan friesen
And that's why he's not like been out of shape that she's dead.
He's relieved.
jordan holmes
Yeah.
dan friesen
Because when people he doesn't like die, he feels a sense of relief.
alex jones
Seriously, I don't like speaking of ill of the dead.
But when I heard Mao Zetong, you know, about him dying, I feel like a weight's off my back or Hitler.
dan friesen
I mean, Mao Zedong died in 1976.
jordan holmes
Yeah, and Alex heard about it.
dan friesen
Alex was two.
jordan holmes
Yeah.
And his dad was like, hey, listen, the greatest communist leader in the world just died, man.
The Birchers have won.
dan friesen
Alex was two years old.
He was a year old.
jordan holmes
I bet his wife's going to be great.
dan friesen
Alex was a year away from God telling him that he has an important quest.
jordan holmes
That's true.
dan friesen
As a two-year-old child, he heard Mao die because it's true.
Oh, what a relief.
unidentified
Oh, God.
dan friesen
Dad was really stressing about that.
jordan holmes
So many problems.
It's like a weight has been put out.
dan friesen
When I heard that Mao died.
jordan holmes
When I heard that Hitler died, obviously because I am my ancestors.
dan friesen
Sure.
unidentified
When I heard that Mao died, I thought, I got to get my blankie.
jordan holmes
Oh, man.
dan friesen
Yeah.
So Norm comes in, Norm Pattis.
jordan holmes
Norm's great.
dan friesen
This clip confused me.
unidentified
I wouldn't be surprised to see the Southern District of New York make a surprise move and maybe perhaps make a move against Donald Trump as a means of distracting people, as a means of teasing the narrative.
alex jones
Okay, now you're getting into real inside baseball because we're not bragging.
You know, we're not playing games.
You and I were talking to someone intimately connected to Donald Trump yesterday about a separate piece of intel you had about coming indictments in the Southern District that I've also been told are ready and going.
And we don't want to go too far about who we were talking to, but they also then brought up who Trump is planning to have replace Amy Coney Barrett.
And that is from someone very, very close to President Trump.
And just so people know we're not making this up, you were there in the meeting.
unidentified
I was.
dan friesen
That's confusing.
Why is Norm Pattis having a meeting with someone who's intimate and an advisor for Trump and Alex too?
Like, what is that meeting?
jordan holmes
I mean, I don't know.
dan friesen
I don't know if I believe this.
And it might be Roger.
jordan holmes
Yeah.
dan friesen
But this is fucked up.
unidentified
Yeah.
None of it.
jordan holmes
If any of that is true, I'm not stoked.
I'm not stoked that anybody's in those positions where they can have those connections.
dan friesen
Why the fuck is Norm Pattis getting briefed on anything?
jordan holmes
Why is Norm Pattis?
Great question.
dan friesen
That is the eternal question that we will never know.
So he's still saying that Coney Barrett is the choice.
His phrasing there was iffy.
But based on listening to this, he still thinks that she's the front runner.
Sure.
And there's a really funny thing where him and Norm get into this whole thing, like, yeah, yeah, she's religious.
She's a Christian.
And everyone's like, oh, is she going to vote in the Supreme Court with her Christian beliefs?
They'd never say that about a Muslim.
They're doing a lot of like, they only think it's a problem because she's a Christian.
unidentified
Sure.
dan friesen
Which is funny for later.
Yeah.
But they start discussing the Democrats.
alex jones
Right.
dan friesen
They've become more evil.
Oh, over time.
jordan holmes
Really?
How?
dan friesen
I think this might be slightly racist.
alex jones
I'm a populist.
I'm an American.
And I'd love to see a reform of the Democratic Party.
The Democratic Party, it seems like 30 years ago, was not this evil, Norm.
What do you think has happened to them or what have they become?
unidentified
You know, I wish I knew.
I like to, you know, I look at it from a philosophic perspective and say the bottom has fallen out of pluralism.
We no longer have a common consensus in values.
It's all about identity and power.
And it's demographic shift.
I think the Democrats had cast their lot with an emerging majority and decided that they're all in for that.
dan friesen
Oh.
jordan holmes
I think what happened was the Democrats have thrown their lot in with non-white people, and I think I'm against that.
dan friesen
That is what he said.
jordan holmes
That's exactly what he said.
He said they're going with the emerging majority, i.e., non-whites.
And I'm against non-whites having any power or identity.
dan friesen
Yeah, the Democratic Party is too interested in the needs of people who aren't white, and that is a bummer for Norm, apparently.
jordan holmes
Yep, yep.
dan friesen
That's fucked up.
jordan holmes
I mean, that's what they all think.
dan friesen
Sure.
So Norm is a lawyer.
unidentified
Yeah!
jordan holmes
You can just, if you can pass the bar, it doesn't matter if you're a Nazi.
That's crazy.
dan friesen
And because he's a lawyer, it makes me really worried that he would say things like this.
unidentified
I was very encouraged to hear Bill Barr encourage local prosecutors around the 94 districts in the country to consider sedition charges because I think that at some level, it wouldn't surprise me if somebody had the time to track the arrests of people in various unrests around the country to see it's the same people traveling from city to city.
John Doe from whatever city in Portland.
alex jones
Norm, if you want to follow suit, I'll do it with you.
We know who Antifa is.
We Soros publicly funds it, brother.
He publicly funds it.
unidentified
Yep.
dan friesen
He publicly funds it, brother.
jordan holmes
How's Stone's defense fund doing?
He's doing great.
I'll file a suit along with him to really work on that at any moment now.
dan friesen
Can I predict this isn't going to happen?
jordan holmes
Why would you make that prediction?
dan friesen
It's a suit not going to happen.
On what grounds?
Shenanigans.
jordan holmes
Shenanigans is a good ground.
dan friesen
Yeah.
So the things that disturb me about that in Norm's thinking patterns are: one, he wants protesters charged with sedition, which is wild.
jordan holmes
No, no, no, that's great.
dan friesen
And then the second thing is that he has no evidence or any reason to believe that this is the case, but he's suggesting and floating the idea that all of these protesters in various cities are the same people going around to cause trouble.
Of course.
That's not responsible.
jordan holmes
No, what it means, Dan, is if you kill protesters in your city, you're not just saving yourself, you're saving the entire country because those protesters would just go to another city and bother other people, Dan.
dan friesen
Yeah, that's a pretty disturbing kind of thinking to have.
It's not good.
No, it's not.
So Norm sucks.
And I don't care for him much.
He worries me.
No.
Now, Norm gets out of there.
He comes in for a nice quick sting and then gets out.
And now we got Alex's other lawyer, Bob Barnes.
jordan holmes
What do we got from Barnes?
robert barnes
Well, it's clear now that they withheld information about the dire nature of her health.
She was clearly in far worse condition than they let on.
Whether she was trying to stay alive or at least publicly be seen as being alive until after the election is no.
And there are some people who think the timing of the disclosure of this was meant to be election influenced.
We'll never know the full truth because they were able to keep information about her health so secret.
dan friesen
There's a cover-up.
jordan holmes
So you're saying that the Democrats have maybe been weakened at Berniezing Ruth Bader Ginsburg?
dan friesen
I mean, that's one reading you could take of his comments.
jordan holmes
Wants to be seen as alive?
dan friesen
That's kind of.
unidentified
That's.
dan friesen
Yeah.
jordan holmes
Okay.
dan friesen
Norm might be another one of the Bob might be dead for a while kind of been dead for a while.
Okay.
I would say this is silly, and he is a lawyer, which is not good.
Man.
But the thing is that I feel like the coverage of Ruth Bader Ginsburg's health over the past, let's say, year has been hyper-focused on how tough a situation she's in.
unidentified
Yes.
jordan holmes
Yeah, yeah.
dan friesen
I don't know how much of a cover-up of the severity of her health issues there is, considering all of these headlines about her going to the hospital happened over and over again.
jordan holmes
If she goes to the hospital, the entire fucking news system breaks down, and everyone's like, everybody's holding their breath because Joseph Ruth Bader Ginsburg went to the hospital again.
This is not a big deal.
Oh, my God, what if she died?
dan friesen
Yeah, I find the exact opposite to Barnes rings more true.
jordan holmes
Wow.
dan friesen
So Barnes got a different prediction than Alex.
Alex is still saying he knows that it's going to be a woman justice, but he also thinks that it's going to be Barret.
Barnes.
jordan holmes
Tom Cotton?
dan friesen
No.
Slightly different pick.
robert barnes
I said last night I predicted Barbara Legal would be the nominee, and now there's reports today that she's the leading candidate.
She's a Cuban-American daughter of immigrants, speaks Spanish and English from Miami, but a well-regarded conservative on the court, comes from that sort of Catholic Cuban conservative tradition.
So she demographically is very hard for the Romney-like types and the rhino types and for Collins and Murkowski to turn down her.
dan friesen
Okay.
That's weird, too.
That's a little racist, too.
jordan holmes
We got a Cuban, so they can't say no.
dan friesen
Yeah.
jordan holmes
That's right.
These guys don't even bother anymore.
dan friesen
Two dubiously racist lawyers.
jordan holmes
I don't like the Democrats because they got those non-whites.
And if we get a Cuban, they can't say shit.
So there we go.
dan friesen
Now, Alex.
jordan holmes
Whiteness is great.
dan friesen
Alex at this point decides, fuck all of the me pretending I have inside sources that have told me Barrett is going to be the nominee because Barnes is making some sense.
jordan holmes
Yeah, why not?
dan friesen
And it would be great if that was the candidate because then it would prove we're not racist.
alex jones
Oh, God.
Okay, and I know you've got incredible sources.
You tweeted that last night.
They were saying Amy Coney Barrett, who I like, but even better if she's just as conservative and if she's a beautiful Latina, that will really throw it in the left saying we're all in his faces.
dan friesen
Yeah, that'll be doing people's face.
jordan holmes
What are we doing?
dan friesen
I don't know.
jordan holmes
What are we doing?
Yeah, that'll prove that we're not interested in tokenism.
dan friesen
It's very silly, this thinking.
Oh, God.
So Barnes has, I don't know if what he's saying is true or not because I didn't care.
I didn't care to look into this.
Sure.
But he has some pretty compelling reasons why Amy Coney Barrett should not be on the Supreme Court.
And it actually has to do with the payoff to the humor of Alex and Norm talking about, like, oh, they're all coming down on her because she's Christian.
robert barnes
Yeah, I mean, I think Barrett is big on a lot of people's nominations, but I'm not as big of a fan.
Barrett has made comments to the effect that she will recuse herself from a decision where the Pope has a position, which means she couldn't rule on a vote.
alex jones
Oh, my God, the Pope could constantly then make positions to control the U.S. Supreme Court.
robert barnes
Exactly.
And in fact, of course, he now has come out on immigration issues.
dan friesen
That's completely the opposite of how they were discussing her faith in the interview with Norm, not half an hour earlier from this.
jordan holmes
Okay.
So this is where we get into the situation that we've described a million times with exclusive groups.
dan friesen
Right.
jordan holmes
Okay, all Christians are fine now.
Well, we kicked out all the Muslims.
Guess who we hate?
Catholics.
It's not hard to read this coming.
dan friesen
Right.
jordan holmes
It's happening currently.
dan friesen
There's historical precedent.
jordan holmes
They've been trying to kill Catholics for forever.
dan friesen
Yeah.
And I would say that the Pope would have a difficult time controlling the Supreme Court if one person recused themselves.
That's why recusing is not taking part, as opposed to saying that the Pope is right about everything.
jordan holmes
Right.
dan friesen
The ethical thing to do would be to recuse yourself.
Although I would say that that makes you not as effective as a Supreme Court justice if you're going to recuse yourself from all these hot button issues.
jordan holmes
I can only rule on things that my religion doesn't have a stance on.
My religion is Catholicism, notorious for not having a stance on literally everything.
dan friesen
Yeah.
unidentified
Yeah.
dan friesen
So Barnes has some thoughts about Trump being real smart, and I think that this is actually quite dumb.
robert barnes
Well, the other problem they have is more and more people are seeing the consequences of the lockdowns.
So as they, that was the intelligence of Trump postponing certain stimulus benefits and the rest, as people started to realize there are real economic harms, real social harms of the lockdowns that are much more dangerous than COVID is.
dan friesen
So do you understand why that's stupid?
jordan holmes
So many reasons.
dan friesen
So Trump is smart to delay these payments because then people will start feeling economic consequences of the lockdowns, which could have been alleviated at least partially or maybe even mostly by way of a stimulus that would have sort of taken away a lot of the people's motivation to have anti-mask protests and all that.
Sure.
The stimulus and taking care of people in a way that can allow them to live safely would have gotten us through this virus outbreak much faster, much less death, much less economic consequence.
And all it would have taken is the exact same thing that Barnes says Trump is smart for not giving.
jordan holmes
So here's what we could have done.
We could have had an election that was a referendum on Trump's surprisingly perfect handling of a global pandemic.
What if we had gotten through this all fine?
People would have been like, wow, I guess he is a good president.
He got us through this pandemic.
That would have rolled along to re-election.
dan friesen
It would have been really hard.
jordan holmes
Or he could have killed hundreds of thousands of people purposefully in order to teach them a lesson about not getting uppity about wanting shit.
unidentified
Right.
dan friesen
And how you got to go to work.
jordan holmes
You got to go to fucking work, you idiots.
I'll teach you plebs how to do your job if it kills me.
dan friesen
Yeah, that's really weird rationalization.
When you're talking about like Trump was really smart to deprive people of something that led to them feeling bad.
jordan holmes
Can't feel bad if you're dead.
dan friesen
You know what I'm saying?
unidentified
I know.
dan friesen
It's very strange.
I know.
This guy's a lawyer.
jordan holmes
Ah, man.
unidentified
Yeah.
jordan holmes
It doesn't seem like the bar is as hard as they describe it.
dan friesen
It must not be.
jordan holmes
Either that or you don't have to think about anything else ever.
dan friesen
Maybe.
Maybe once you're in, you're in.
jordan holmes
Yeah, I guess.
dan friesen
Anyway, Barnes gets out of there, and we have another guest.
Like I said, Murderer's Row.
This dude is...
I don't know what the fuck's going on, but he is all over InfoWars these days.
alex jones
All right.
Ollie Alexander is a great political analyst.
Great talk show host and writer and researcher.
And he's on the road.
He was just up in Chicago with a big speech last night.
unidentified
Damn.
dan friesen
How'd I miss that?
I'd have loved to go see Ali Alexander's speech.
jordan holmes
I can't believe we missed that speech.
dan friesen
Yeah.
jordan holmes
You know, you never see stuff in the city.
dan friesen
To be fair, my tomatoes haven't grown yet.
jordan holmes
That's true.
dan friesen
So I wouldn't have anything to throw.
jordan holmes
That's true.
We would have had to go buy tomatoes.
dan friesen
Yeah, I can't do that.
jordan holmes
That's expensive.
unidentified
No.
dan friesen
Homegrown tomatoes only for throwing terrible performers.
jordan holmes
More satisfying.
dan friesen
Yeah, exactly.
unidentified
Yeah, yeah, yeah.
dan friesen
You put the love in to the soil farm to table to face.
jordan holmes
Farm to face.
dan friesen
That's what you get, Ali.
jordan holmes
I like it.
Farm to face it is.
dan friesen
I don't know what the fuck is going on with this dude because he's terrible.
He's a little bit more interesting than Harrison Smith, though.
I'll give him that.
He's a religious wacko.
jordan holmes
Okay.
dan friesen
Like he's super.
jordan holmes
So he's got that pedigree.
dan friesen
He's a super zealot.
Yeah.
And, you know, that does add a layer of like, oh, this is where you're coming from, as opposed to just Harrison Smith, who might as well be like a cardboard cutout.
jordan holmes
He's a placeholder.
dan friesen
Yeah, yeah, yeah.
But I don't know why.
He's all over Infowars the last couple months.
I don't know what the deal is.
I don't know if he has some sort of a contract or anything.
It's just, it's noticeable.
He's on all the time.
Oh, wow.
And, you know, he's got some ideas.
Abortion.
unidentified
Okay.
dan friesen
It's a blood sacrifice.
jordan holmes
All right.
dan friesen
A lot of blood sacrifices.
jordan holmes
I like a blood sacrifice.
ali alexander
This is now the most important election in American history.
There's no doubt about it.
This will determine whether or not millions of children continue to get aborted or not.
The left is going to get super violent if Trump wins or if he puts another justice on the Supreme Court before the election.
I mean, we really got to stock up on all materials because you've never seen the left so peril as when we are threatening to take away their blood sacrifice, and that is the abortion lobby.
dan friesen
So the blood sacrifice is somehow, like, here's what I think.
jordan holmes
What do you think?
dan friesen
I think that if you believe that there's blood sacrifice going on that empowers the demonic globalists or whatever, and that's what allows this country to function or whatever, then you need to leave.
unidentified
Yeah.
dan friesen
You can't be a part of this.
You can't take part in the American largesse.
You can't enjoy the free speech rights that are guaranteed by the government.
ali alexander
Nope.
dan friesen
You can't use our roads because you know that that only exists because of blood sacrifices to the devil.
You can't live here.
I understand wanting to fight back against it.
Right.
But you can't live here.
jordan holmes
No, we live in reality.
And if you don't want to live in reality, then go somewhere where you can live in your reality.
Right.
unidentified
Don't make me live your fakeness.
dan friesen
There's a thought experiment called The Ones Who Walk Away from Amalius.
It's like a fucking first-year philosophy class thought experiment.
And it's essentially.
jordan holmes
Well, Norm Pattis is probably an expert in that.
He likes to think philosophically.
dan friesen
He does.
The idea of it basically is there's this place and everything operates really well.
People there are largely doing good.
And then at a certain point, everyone, when they're like 18 or whatever, they get taken to see what goes on in this secret room.
And the only reason that the society is able to function as it does is because one child is getting the shit kicked out of them constantly all day forever.
jordan holmes
It's a Doctor Who episode as well.
dan friesen
Yeah, I mean, it's a classic thought experiment.
Yeah, yeah, yeah.
jordan holmes
Oldest in time, yeah.
dan friesen
Right.
So, the idea is you approach it from an ethical position, and what can you do?
You can only leave.
You can't take part in this society.
You can't, like, it's not wrong to want to save the child or whatever.
unidentified
Sure.
dan friesen
But then you're causing the death of everybody else in the society.
Right, right.
It's a complicated question.
And generally speaking, the ethically correct position is to leave.
jordan holmes
You can only afford to live by your own principles.
Right.
To then try and make a rationalize, like the needs of the many outweigh the few, so I'm fine with this is a ridiculous argument.
But it makes sense if you are applying it to other people without their knowledge.
You know, like stealing, like taking the kid and killing all of the people in the play.
That's you killing those people, essentially.
dan friesen
Right.
jordan holmes
Yeah.
dan friesen
And obviously, I disagree that abortion is a blood sacrifice that allows the society to operate.
But based on their stated beliefs, that seems to be like, why would they be doing blood sacrifices if it didn't somehow give them something they wanted?
So obviously these people who they're accusing of doing these blood sacrifices are doing it because it enables them to be in power or have our society function in the way that it does.
unidentified
Therefore, leave, Alex.
dan friesen
Leave.
jordan holmes
Love it or leave it.
dan friesen
It's not that.
jordan holmes
No, no, no.
I mean, more like.
Also, it's a bullshit thing for them to say anyways.
If you really believed that abortion was a blood sacrifice that happens to 50 million babies a year and you're on the fucking phone talking to Alex Jones, you have no moral principles whatsoever.
dan friesen
Yeah.
jordan holmes
You're making up that bullshit, period.
unidentified
Right.
dan friesen
I mean, whatever life that you have is facilitated by that blood sacrifice if you believe the things you're saying.
Yeah.
Therefore, you're complicit.
jordan holmes
Yeah.
Unless you leave.
Unless you leave.
dan friesen
So Alex should leave.
jordan holmes
So leave.
Please leave.
unidentified
Please.
jordan holmes
Just leave.
Just go.
Just go.
unidentified
Yeah.
dan friesen
It's silly and childish, but that's the name of the world.
jordan holmes
Go live in Poland.
You love white supremacists.
Go on.
Get out of there.
dan friesen
So Allie is talking here about how the left, they need to control history, right?
That's why they're all over the university.
unidentified
Sure.
dan friesen
Because they need to control history because then when they bring in the authoritarianism, they can say that the right wing did it.
And Alex is very, very interested in this.
jordan holmes
Yeah.
Invert reality more for me, buddy.
dan friesen
It's very, he's so fascinated by it.
And you can tell by his behavior.
Okay.
ali alexander
That's why they need to own academia.
That's why they want to own history.
If they want to rewrite it and say, oh, it was the Bible believers.
It was the whites.
It was the Southerners.
It was, you know, the right wing that turned this country authoritarian.
No, it's the left.
You guys have killed over 100 million people in the past.
alex jones
I asked Gab McGuinness like five years ago.
I said, what's peak insanity from the left?
And it just gets crazy and crashed.
unidentified
What is peak insanity about these people?
ali alexander
You know, I don't know if I could answer that.
You know, that's a scary place to go.
Honest to God.
alex jones
There is no peak.
ali alexander
Yeah, there may not be any peak.
dan friesen
Alex is eating.
unidentified
Yep.
dan friesen
You could actually even hear a crush.
ali alexander
There's no peak.
dan friesen
You could hear him take a bite of something.
ali alexander
A chomp.
jordan holmes
A good sandwich.
I got a subway.
dan friesen
So this is the last clip, and it's Ali talking about how there needs to be increased security for people like Trump and senators and stuff because there are tons of people who are willing to die for abortion.
ali alexander
You know, there are people who are willing to die for abortion.
So the lone wolves on the left, there's just going to be hundreds of them, maybe thousands of them.
alex jones
Well, that's the sort of thing.
He has an Operation Overthrow to overthrow the White House.
dan friesen
Alex is still eating.
jordan holmes
Still eating.
Still eating.
dan friesen
It's so rude.
jordan holmes
How can you have him on that much?
Is he your lunch break?
Is that why you have him on all the time?
dan friesen
I don't know what the deal is, but like.
jordan holmes
Is that an OSHA thing?
You have to have Allie come in while you eat to make sure that you're taking your lunch break.
dan friesen
Look, I have nothing but disrespect for Ali Alexander, and so I don't mind him being treated this way.
jordan holmes
I think it's funny.
dan friesen
But I still recognize that it's fucking rude to that.
It's rude as shit.
jordan holmes
It's rude as shit.
dan friesen
If I were him, I would not put up with this.
jordan holmes
It's rude to eat on the air, period.
dan friesen
Yeah, yeah, unless you're maybe like the Doughboys or something as a food show.
If it's thematically, it makes a little bit more sense.
jordan holmes
Yeah, yeah, yeah.
dan friesen
But like to be interviewing somebody on a live broadcast and just be chowing down while they're talking to the point where you're unable to respond to things that they're saying and there's long gaps and then you're talking with your fucking mouth full.
unidentified
Like, that's so rude.
jordan holmes
President Nixon, you've had a complicated history.
Could you please stop eating, sir?
Sir, could you please stop eating?
dan friesen
You know what?
jordan holmes
We're trying to do very consequential historical.
dan friesen
You know what I think happened, if I could be totally honest?
Sure.
I think Alex kept saying the name Amy Coney Barrett, and he just kept thinking of chili dogs.
jordan holmes
I want to go to Coney.
dan friesen
Chili Dogs.
That's my theory.
jordan holmes
Coney's eyes.
unidentified
Chili Dung.
jordan holmes
Nathan's.
unidentified
Nathan's hot dogs.
jordan holmes
Ah, that's good stuff.
dan friesen
Yeah.
unidentified
Oh, boy.
dan friesen
Yeah, I think they handled this poorly.
I would say.
jordan holmes
Honestly, honestly.
Like, honestly.
Like, honestly.
This is medium bad takes that I've read about Ginsburg.
This is medium in the bad takes range.
dan friesen
I would say top to bottom, not done well.
jordan holmes
Not done well.
No.
dan friesen
First problem: having Harrison Smith be the breaking news guy.
jordan holmes
Real failure.
dan friesen
Disastrous.
jordan holmes
Real failure.
dan friesen
Second problem: Alex only was on the 18th for a short period of time.
He should have been there the whole show.
That should have been came in and revolutionized the game with his blood sacrifice talk.
jordan holmes
Yeah.
dan friesen
Like that was where things got real.
jordan holmes
Yeah, yeah.
That's you're jumping off.
dan friesen
Then he's out of there, and who knows what the fuck is happening?
jordan holmes
What's the point of sticking around?
You already got blood sacrifice out there.
unidentified
Exactly.
jordan holmes
Yeah.
dan friesen
But no, Alex should have stuck around because that theme could have evolved.
jordan holmes
Oh, no, I was talking about if I'm watching it.
Yeah, yeah, yeah.
dan friesen
Or he could have been drunk.
He wasn't, but he could have been.
jordan holmes
Yeah, that would have been.
dan friesen
And that would have been fantastic.
Could have been going nuts.
jordan holmes
Would have been great.
dan friesen
So those are the problems with the 18th, the night of the 18th.
And the 19th, Alex, in his conversations with his two former lawyers, reveals so much.
Like, he reveals that his source doesn't mean anything to him because he changes his position once Barnes comes up with something that sounds better.
unidentified
Yep.
dan friesen
Then he just completely.
Barnes clearly, I think he likes Barnes more than Norm.
jordan holmes
Yeah, well, Barnes is more flamboyant, I would say, compared to Norm.
Norm is very monotone.
dan friesen
I think that Barnes is on the level with fascism.
You know what I mean?
jordan holmes
Okay, that's probably smarter.
dan friesen
I think that.
jordan holmes
Well, he doesn't have to worry about places he's not allowed to practice law if he's in the fascist regime.
dan friesen
I think that they see eye to eye on that stuff more and that Barnes is ambitious because he was trying to set up that great American law center or whatever.
That's true.
And Norm just kind of wants to defend criminals.
jordan holmes
Yeah, Barnes has schemes.
Yeah.
dan friesen
Yeah, he's up to something.
jordan holmes
He's always up to something.
dan friesen
Yeah.
And Barnes will go on Stefan Molyneux on the show.
jordan holmes
Barnes is better call solving it all the time.
dan friesen
Yeah, he's clearly up to no good.
And I think Norm is more just a sort of shady lawyer.
jordan holmes
He's just an asshole.
Hey, did you commit a crime?
Yeah, fuck it.
I'll take care of you.
dan friesen
Yeah, and through those conversations, the entire thing has flipped with Barrett's Catholicism in such a revealing way.
And then just lack of dignified behavior, which is not surprising.
jordan holmes
That really is funny because it probably will play out like this.
Barrett's nomination will be torpedoed by the fact that she's a Catholic.
Isn't that hilarious?
dan friesen
I don't know.
I mean, like, I don't think that it should or would.
But I do think that probably from just like a utility standpoint, you don't probably want somebody who's on record as saying that they have to recuse themselves in any matter that the Pope has weighed in.
jordan holmes
Yeah, I know.
dan friesen
That's true.
That's not necessarily what I would describe as just being Catholic.
I would say that she's still perfectly qualified to be in a number of positions.
unidentified
Sure.
dan friesen
But maybe if you're putting someone on a lifetime appointment to the Supreme Court, you might want somebody who doesn't have to recuse themselves a lot.
jordan holmes
I mean, part of your Catholicism is generally believing that the Pope is the mouthpiece direct to God.
So, I mean, just generally, you know, like, we know Catholics don't actually believe that bullshit.
But, you know, I don't know.
People went apeshit because John F. Kennedy was Catholic.
dan friesen
True.
unidentified
Yeah, I don't know.
dan friesen
I would say it's tragic that Ginsburg or Gator Binsburg died when she did.
Very sad for, you know, her family and for what it could portend.
jordan holmes
Yeah, it's hard to be because we're flippant, you know, naturally.
dan friesen
Well, we're talking about Alex.
jordan holmes
Exactly.
And at the same time, it's just like, it is an absolute tragedy, and she was an icon, well-deservedly so.
And this is affecting a lot of people.
dan friesen
And there are obviously problems with her record and stuff.
And you see people bring those up.
And I wish that that was more a conversation that was relevant for historians as opposed to trying to be like, she wasn't that great.
Yeah, no, I'm not even saying that might not necessarily be fair.
jordan holmes
I don't know any political position, you know.
dan friesen
Fuck them.
I just don't know the use of it in the immediate.
But, yeah.
And, you know, obviously I'm worried about what could happen.
I'm worried about the direction of things to come.
And I think that now is a time when we really have to be as active as we can be in terms of protecting people and their rights.
There's going to be an assault on that, quite frankly.
And I think we need to be very cognizant of the fact that there are some responsibilities that we have to not allow things to backslide as much as they possibly could.
And I don't know how we do that.
I don't know.
I would say mail your senator a letter.
I mean, call them and tell them to fight this.
Don't back down to the pre-election appointment.
Sure.
I mean, I don't know how effective that would be.
jordan holmes
I don't think you'd shut the government down.
With people.
I mean, look, it's all Byzantine nonsense rules.
Everybody's talking about how they could do all these parliamentary procedures to just delay it by time.
And you're like, what world do we live in?
This is magic.
We're living by arcane nonsense rules.
What are we doing?
Show up.
dan friesen
Yeah, maybe.
jordan holmes
Show up.
Maybe that is something that if they have to have a quorum to vote, then surround the building and all of a sudden all the rules go away.
It's magic.
It's nonsense.
dan friesen
I don't know.
I don't know.
I'm not good at this.
jordan holmes
Yeah.
dan friesen
I'm not good at having ideas of what to do.
But I am good at looking at Alex and laughing at his dumb ass.
jordan holmes
That's what we got.
dan friesen
Yep.
So I hope everyone out there is doing all right.
We will be back.
But until then, we have a website.
jordan holmes
We do have a website.
It's knowledgefight.com.
unidentified
Yep.
dan friesen
We're also on Facebook.
jordan holmes
We are on Facebook.
We're on Twitter.
It's at Knowledge On DevTonet and IgoTabed Jordan.
dan friesen
Yep.
jordan holmes
And now we're on Facebook.
And then we're also on iTunes.
Write your senator.
Sure.
Write your congressman.
Write your families.
And find a local bail fund or charity in your area.
Or a bear fund.
dan friesen
We'll be back.
But until then, I'm Neo.
I'm Leo.
I'm DZX Clark.
I'm Daryl Rundis.
I could do Harrison Smith's job better than he can.
And I don't believe any of that shit.
alex jones
Andy in Kansas, you're on the air.
Thanks for holding.
unidentified
Hello, Alex.
I'm a first-time caller.
I'm a huge fan.
alex jones
I love your work.
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