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Aug. 24, 2020 - Knowledge Fight
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#473: August 20-21, 2020

Today, Dan and Jordan experience how the past week ended on The Alex Jones Show. In this installment, Dan needed closure on the "ShadowGate/Millie Weaver gets fired" situation, which Alex sort of provides. Also, a couple of Alex's friends gloat about Steve Bannon's arrest.

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alex jones
18:23
d
dan friesen
52:45
j
jordan holmes
23:47
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steve pieczenik
02:07
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deanna lorraine
00:06
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nicolle wallace
00:37
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Speaker Time Text
alex jones
It's time to pray.
unidentified
I have great respect for knowledge fight.
alex jones
Knowledge fight.
I'm sick of them posing as if they're the good guys saying we are the bad guys.
Knowledge fight.
unidentified
Dan and George.
Knowledge fight.
alex jones
Need money.
unidentified
Andy in Kansas.
alex jones
Stop it.
Andy in Kansas.
It's time to pray.
Andy in Kansas.
You're on the air.
unidentified
Thanks for holding.
I'm a huge fan.
alex jones
I love your world.
unidentified
Knowledge Fight.
alex jones
KnowledgeFight.com.
I love you.
dan friesen
Hey, everybody.
Welcome back to Knowledge Fight.
I'm Dan.
unidentified
I'm Jordan.
dan friesen
We're a couple dudes.
I can sit around, drink novelty beverages, and talk a little bit about Alex Jones.
jordan holmes
Oh, indeed we are, Dan.
dan friesen
Uh-huh.
Jordan.
unidentified
Quick question for you.
dan friesen
What up?
jordan holmes
What's your bright spot today?
dan friesen
My bright spot today is so bright that I required a text.
jordan holmes
Okay.
dan friesen
I texted you about this.
You did?
I texted some other folks about this, too.
It was so bright.
I was doing laundry, and I was walking down to my laundry room, and I heard the telltale chirp, chirper, chirp of birds.
And I looked around, and what did I see?
On top of a light fixture, laundry rooms are in basements, so you're subterranean, and there's a light fixture up there, and there's a bird's nest, and some baby birds.
jordan holmes
Cute little baby birds.
dan friesen
Yeah, it was really nice.
It was a really nice way to start my day, and I'll tell you this.
I love the personified things you can see in animals.
I know that it's anthropomorphizing a little bit more than it should be.
These birds were making a racket until I looked at them.
And then they were looking at me like, wait, I didn't say anything.
I didn't say anything.
They were looking at me like, hey, come on now.
Like, complete silence as soon as they had any kind of attention.
jordan holmes
Oh, you talk a big game, don't you, birds?
dan friesen
Yeah, there was sort of a, like, trying to look at it from human motivations.
Sure, sure.
It was pretty fun, and, you know.
I don't know.
There's a small part of me that wanted to snuggle those birds.
jordan holmes
Of course, of course.
I am appreciating your turn to Grizzly Adams.
dan friesen
Yeah, I wanted to raise them as my own children.
jordan holmes
Live in your nice little beard.
dan friesen
But I recognize that any interference could hurt the birds.
jordan holmes
Yes.
dan friesen
I don't know how to take care of a bird.
jordan holmes
True.
dan friesen
You have a cat.
Yeah, it's parent.
jordan holmes
Those are issues.
dan friesen
It's parent bird knows what it's doing.
jordan holmes
You know, you never know about parents.
dan friesen
I'm going to check up on them the next time I do laundry, but for now.
It was just a bright...
I mean, they were looking good.
jordan holmes
Yeah, they did.
dan friesen
They looked healthy.
jordan holmes
You sent me a picture.
They look great.
dan friesen
Shout out, birds.
jordan holmes
Hey, birds.
You keep on doing what you're doing.
dan friesen
How about you?
jordan holmes
My bright spot, Dan, is the return of the only other sport I care about, tennis.
dan friesen
Okay.
jordan holmes
The third sport, all three of them are irresponsibly restarted.
I disagree with that decision entirely, and I'm watching the hell out of it.
It's amazing.
Shapovalov is incredible.
Love him.
Tennis is great.
dan friesen
Better than Rafa?
jordan holmes
Rafa's not going to play.
Do you know why?
Because he made the smart decision not to fly to America for any reason.
dan friesen
Good on him.
jordan holmes
It's disappointing.
He's not going to defend his U.S. Open title, Dan, but there's always the French.
He's going to be there for the French Open.
He's going to win.
It's going to be crazy.
dan friesen
Well, one thing you can take solace in is that no matter how irresponsible any of these sports are, they're probably more responsible than pro wrestling.
jordan holmes
That's fair.
dan friesen
That's fair.
It just didn't stop.
jordan holmes
Have you been watching The Weeknd?
dan friesen
I watched NXT's 30, NXT XXX, on Saturday.
I watched a bit of it.
I actually turned it off in the middle.
Not because it was bad or anything, but I just didn't give a shit.
jordan holmes
You thought you were watching Triple X State of the Union.
dan friesen
I thought I was watching that Vin Diesel movie.
unidentified
Exactly.
jordan holmes
I did the sequel.
dan friesen
No, the Ice Cube one?
No, I was not watching that.
I would know.
No, I just...
I don't know what it was.
I just didn't care.
jordan holmes
You just didn't have it in you.
This one just flew over you.
dan friesen
I might be done with wrestling.
jordan holmes
I don't know.
dan friesen
I had no patience for it.
It didn't grab me.
I don't know.
We'll see.
I intend to watch SummerSlam on a delay.
Because we're recording this on Sunday.
Actually, while SummerSlam is going on.
So I'll probably watch it this evening after I edit the episode to unwind.
I'll probably be bored as shit.
I assume.
I don't want to get into it.
jordan holmes
This is really bumming you out.
dan friesen
It is a little bit.
jordan holmes
I'm sorry.
I wish I hadn't brought it up.
dan friesen
Yeah.
Let's brighten things up by discussing how today we have an interesting episode to go over.
We're going to be talking about August 20th and 21st, 2020.
I'm Dan.
This is 2020.
A lot of 20s there.
jordan holmes
There were quite a few 20s.
dan friesen
That was a tongue twister.
Yeah.
It's an interesting time.
I didn't feel done with the Alex Jones Millie Weaver Shadowgate.
unidentified
Sure.
dan friesen
But I wanted to be done with it.
jordan holmes
Well, no one's won the 10,000 yet, right?
dan friesen
No.
I think it's not real.
jordan holmes
Okay.
dan friesen
I needed a sense of closure to it, because Alex wasn't addressing it on his show.
unidentified
Of course not.
dan friesen
At all.
We were seeing this, like, Millie talking some shit.
But, like, at the point that we got to on Wednesday of last week, there wasn't really, like, he had told Millie behind the scenes, clearly based on her Twitter.
That shit was done.
jordan holmes
Yes.
dan friesen
But we didn't have any forward-facing presentation of it, and so I wanted to keep digging around a little bit, see if we could figure that out.
This is Thursday and Friday of last week, and we will close out the week on Alex's show and see if he brings up...
Whether or not Rainbow Snatch is persona non grata.
jordan holmes
You want closure for this breakup, essentially.
dan friesen
More or less, yeah.
I have feelings.
jordan holmes
Yeah, it's unrequited, but those are still feelings.
dan friesen
I mean, look, obviously not as intensely as anybody else involved.
jordan holmes
That's fair.
dan friesen
I'm involved in this.
I've been along for the ride.
I've been making fun of you people for a long time.
I need to...
unidentified
Right.
jordan holmes
Of course.
This is Degrassi for you all over again.
dan friesen
Right.
Exactly.
You can't write Paige off the show without me processing that.
So we'll get down to business on that, Jordan.
But before we do, we've got to take a moment to say thank you to some folks who have signed up and are supporting the show.
unidentified
Wonderful.
dan friesen
So first, Jeffrey M. Thank you so much.
You are now a policy wonk.
alex jones
I'm a policy wonk.
jordan holmes
Thanks, Jeffrey!
dan friesen
Next, Dawn M. Thank you so much.
You are now a policy wonk.
alex jones
I'm a policy wonk.
jordan holmes
Thank you very much, Dawn.
unidentified
Donnie.
dan friesen
Next, Matthew P. Thank you so much.
You are now a policy wonk.
alex jones
I'm a policy wonk.
jordan holmes
Thanks, Matthew!
dan friesen
Next, Charlotte D.B. Thank you so much.
You are now a policy wonk.
alex jones
I'm a policy wonk.
jordan holmes
Thank you very much, Charlotte.
dan friesen
Dave Matthews Band.
Great.
There's an M in.
jordan holmes
Dave's band Cooper.
dan friesen
Next, Andrew M. Thank you so much.
You're now a policy wonk.
alex jones
I'm a policy wonk.
jordan holmes
Thanks, Andrew!
dan friesen
Thank you.
Next, Ben.
Thank you so much.
You're now a policy wonk.
alex jones
I'm a policy wonk.
dan friesen
I'm a policy wonk.
unidentified
Thank you.
dan friesen
And finally, like I said, thank you to a couple people who donated on an elevated level, and we appreciate that very much.
So, Industrial Robot, thank you so much.
You are now a technocrat.
And Diddling Quarka, thank you so much.
You are now a technocrat.
alex jones
I'm a policy wonk.
Crikey, mate, that's fantastic.
Have yourself a brew.
How's your 401k doing, bro?
We gotta go full tilt boogie on this, Watson, alright?
Let's just get down to business.
We ain't making that money off that heroin.
Why are you pimps so good?
My neck is freakishly large.
I declare Infowar on you.
dan friesen
Thank you so much, Industrial Robot.
And thank you so much, Diddling Kwaka.
unidentified
Yes, thank you very much.
Kwaka?
Kwaka?
jordan holmes
How do you pronounce that?
Honestly, right now...
dan friesen
It's like the wallaby.
It's that cute little animal.
jordan holmes
I want to say it's Kwaka.
dan friesen
Kwaka, I think is...
jordan holmes
I want to say it's Kwaka.
unidentified
Kwaka?
jordan holmes
But I'm probably wrong.
dan friesen
Yeah, I don't know.
That's one of those words that's always giving me trouble.
jordan holmes
Is it a marsupial?
dan friesen
I think so.
I mean, it's a wallaby.
jordan holmes
Okay, well then yeah, it would have to be.
dan friesen
There are a couple things.
jordan holmes
Wait, it's a wallaby?
Then why is it called a coaca?
dan friesen
Because it's a special kind of wallaby.
jordan holmes
You can't have special kinds of wallaby.
dan friesen
It's adorable.
They're very, very cute.
There's a number of animals that I look at the names and I'm like, I know what that is.
I'm not saying it.
I don't know how to say it.
jordan holmes
I've only ever read this word, and I'm not going to bother.
I'm going to sound like an idiot.
Of course.
No, I get it.
dan friesen
So, thank you very much.
If you're out there listening and thinking, hey, I enjoyed the show, I'd like to support what these gents do, you can do that by going to our website, knowledgefight.com, clicking the button that says support the show.
We would appreciate it.
Or, you could take that generosity...
jordan holmes
Oh, you're coming out the gate hot with this one.
dan friesen
It might be...
jordan holmes
Are you fizzling?
dan friesen
It might be all artificial confidence.
It's just momentum.
jordan holmes
I'm loving it.
Keep it going.
dan friesen
Okay, you can take that generosity and put it in a bowl with some Cheerios, have some breakfast, and then go donate some money to a charity.
jordan holmes
That's good.
You know what?
You made it through, and that's what's important.
dan friesen
All false confidence.
So, Jordan, before we get to the episode proper, I'd like to take a moment to look into the mailbag.
jordan holmes
Ooh, exciting.
dan friesen
This is a little something that is from Purple Penguin Matt.
Dan and Jordan, I love your work.
Thank you for bringing Leo Lion Zagami into my life.
Jordan, look at this.
jordan holmes
Oh, shit.
dan friesen
Look at this piece of art.
jordan holmes
Oh, shit.
dan friesen
For those of you, this is obviously an audio medium, but this is a painting.
Of Leo Zagami in Pope attire.
jordan holmes
Yes, but with the Illuminati headdress bishop hat, if you will.
dan friesen
And his famous quote about how he proved to the Vatican that he is Jesus.
jordan holmes
I had to bring this proofs to the Vatican.
I'm not going to do an Italian accent.
dan friesen
Please don't.
jordan holmes
That would be offensive.
And the Vatican has finally accepted that I am that Messiah because I showed them the codes that were hidden inside the Vatican that only the real Jesus would have.
Don't ever forget that.
Don't betray me.
dan friesen
Best.
I love this painting so much, Matt.
Thank you so much.
That goes up on the wall.
unidentified
Oh, okay.
dan friesen
It already has some...
jordan holmes
Yes, I see it.
dan friesen
But I'll take care of that later.
That is on the wall for sure.
jordan holmes
Absolutely.
dan friesen
That's a centerpiece.
jordan holmes
This is not going to be a Batman situation.
dan friesen
What do you mean?
jordan holmes
This painting will be hung on the wall.
unidentified
Oh, yes.
dan friesen
This is not a Rappaport thing.
jordan holmes
No.
No, no, no.
dan friesen
Oh, God.
Just the best.
I love the idea, too, that maybe most of the fan art will be Leo Zagami related.
And then I just end up with a studio that's decorated.
jordan holmes
I do like that your podcast about Alex Jones will be decorated entirely with Leo Zagami stuff.
dan friesen
If anyone can find, like, I mean, this is literally an impossibility, but if anyone could find a flyer for, like, his...
jordan holmes
80s raves in Rome.
dan friesen
I will pay top dollar.
jordan holmes
If you can break into his apartment and find one that's framed, I will pay even more than that.
dan friesen
Yes.
No, no.
jordan holmes
What?
dan friesen
Wait.
unidentified
Huh?
jordan holmes
Are you supporting that?
dan friesen
No, I'm not.
Okay.
And, quite frankly, I think...
jordan holmes
You're a dick!
I gotta get that away from you.
dan friesen
Do not encourage criminal behavior.
unidentified
I gotta get it away.
dan friesen
So, Jordan, here is not a context drop from today's show.
alex jones
Cherry pie don't come out that ass.
dan friesen
Yeah, man.
unidentified
Alright.
dan friesen
Fair enough.
jordan holmes
You know, I've never thought about it that way.
You know, I've never thought about it.
dan friesen
Well, when you do, you realize.
jordan holmes
I realize, of course.
dan friesen
So, one of the reasons that I wanted to keep going covering this, one, it was obviously the lack of closure vis-a-vis Millie.
The second reason was there was a lot of nonsense happening.
First of all, right before the 20th, the night before.
We had the reporter ask Trump about QAnon, and that was weird.
jordan holmes
Never heard about it.
Love those people, though.
dan friesen
They're great.
jordan holmes
They love me.
I've never heard about their nonsense.
I'm just stoking it quietly and slowly.
dan friesen
And, of course, Steve Bannon was arrested.
jordan holmes
Wow.
dan friesen
And so I felt like there was a lot of potential for takes.
unidentified
Yeah.
dan friesen
And one of the things I found really interesting was how the 20th started.
Alex started the show.
No, it was not the Andy Griffith.
jordan holmes
Sorry, sorry.
dan friesen
He is not fancy free.
The show starts with Alex playing the clip of the reporter talking, you know, asking Trump about QAnon.
But if you pay close attention, there's one thing that's missing from this clip.
unidentified
It is this belief that you are secretly saving the world from this satanic cult of pedophiles and cannibals.
Does that sound like something you are behind?
Well, I haven't heard that, but is that supposed to be a bad thing or a good thing?
If I can help save the world from problems, I'm willing to do it.
I'm willing to put myself out there.
And we are, actually.
We're saving the world from a radical left philosophy that will destroy this country.
And when this country is gone, the rest of the world would follow.
dan friesen
Every time that Alex plays this clip, which he will a number of times, it conveniently cuts off the beginning where she's asking about QAnon.
jordan holmes
Oh, why?
Why would they cut that out?
dan friesen
Because Alex desperately wants, like, he can't...
Shit on this because he also says that Trump is fighting a cabal of cannibalistic pedophile network folks.
So he can't shit on that, but he has a stated position that QAnon's a bunch of assholes, and he doesn't like it.
So he has to take the optics of this and just remove the part where the question's about QAnon.
jordan holmes
If you can't shit on it, pretend it's not there.
I think that makes...
Perfect sense from his standpoint.
dan friesen
Yeah, I mean, it's a nice little sleight of hand.
Pretend that the question wasn't about you and I. Get out of here.
And just be like, yeah, it is great that Trump is fighting demons.
jordan holmes
Honestly, I've never met Millie Weaver in my life.
dan friesen
Well, interestingly, Alex does start the show mentioning the troubles.
And I thought that he was going to get into it because he says he's not going to get into it.
jordan holmes
Naturally.
alex jones
They always say.
Jones put out the discredited Pizzagate theory.
None of it was true.
The only pedophilia supposedly in the world was at a pizza place.
I never said that.
The media made it the issue.
They set everybody up to cover something because it wasn't happening there to divert from all the places it was happening.
And the media said, Jones admit it wasn't happening there.
And I said, yeah, you're the ones that first said it, but yeah, it's happening right over here, not there.
And they turned that into their defense of it.
But everyone sees.
Right.
Through it.
But the influences of it are absolutely massive, and its tentacles reach into every level.
You know, I've recently had to disassociate myself from certain people.
unidentified
Ooh!
alex jones
It's with a very heavy heart that I'm going to have to expose the situation.
I'm not going to do it today.
I've got too much going on.
But this whole evil is right under the surface, and it's coming out onto the...
Open ground now, and we're going to have to deal with it.
dan friesen
So, he's had to dissociate from Millie.
It has something to do with QAnon and Pizzagate stuff.
And, yeah.
Whenever he says, I can't get into it today, or I'm not going to get into it, that, to me, is usually an indication.
jordan holmes
He's about to get into it.
Yeah, of course.
dan friesen
But he doesn't.
He doesn't.
He sticks to that.
jordan holmes
He's too busy.
dan friesen
That kind of disappointed me a little bit, because it obviously is a central point of my curiosity.
jordan holmes
Right, right, right.
dan friesen
And then also, again, the other one is Bannon.
I was interested to see what was going to happen there, and he's coming out the gate, touching on these topics that I want to hear about, and his take on Bannon is pretty interesting.
alex jones
Obviously, Stephen Bannon was arrested.
Southern District of New York, they're the ones trying to get all the Trump supporters.
I don't like Stephen Bannon.
He's done some nasty stuff.
He bare false witness against Roger Stone.
jordan holmes
Sure he did.
alex jones
But now you see him with a private border wall that raised tens of millions of dollars.
And then they kept a hunk of $100,000 apiece for their expenses and things.
Since when can you not start something like that?
I mean, look at the left.
They have millions of the Clinton Foundation for treason.
dan friesen
This is an interesting take.
jordan holmes
What?
What?
I can't embezzle now?
I just can't embezzle.
dan friesen
I appreciate that on some level, that Alex's position on it is, you know what, seriously, fuck Ben, and I don't like that guy, but scams are cool.
jordan holmes
It does seem like we have hit the real core.
You're gonna stop people from scamming?
dan friesen
Yeah.
alex jones
Come on now.
dan friesen
And then, of course, the old standard, the fail-safe at the end there, is the, everyone else scams!
jordan holmes
Yeah, exactly!
dan friesen
Alright, not a defense, but whatever.
jordan holmes
It reminds me of the Paul F. Tompkins joke where he's talking about working there, working at a video store, and one of his co-workers is like, well, of course they expect you to steal, that's why they pay you so little.
And you're like, no!
Stealing is wrong!
All the time!
dan friesen
Well, apparently not.
jordan holmes
Fair.
dan friesen
So, this is an interesting take that Alex has, but the take evolves a little bit.
And now, as Alex talks about it a little bit more, He starts to think that maybe there's something up with this Bannon arrest.
alex jones
Steve Bannon arrested this morning right after Obama's speech, right before Biden's speech, to discredit the wall, to make it look like Trump did something bad.
The same company got some of the contracts to build the wall.
This is to embroil Trump in a new wall scandal.
Bannon is so slippery and so nasty, from what I've seen, That he might be in on this, meeting with Epstein before he died, meeting with the Clintons and others reportedly, that they could have put him into the indictment so that he can now try to implicate Trump or something, which is totally asinine.
dan friesen
That is asinine.
jordan holmes
That would be very asinine.
dan friesen
Yep, so apparently Alex is floating, soft-pitching the theory that Steve Bannon's in on this.
jordan holmes
This is a false flag.
dan friesen
Yes.
jordan holmes
This is a false flag fraud.
unidentified
Yep.
jordan holmes
He committed fraud.
dan friesen
Well.
jordan holmes
Got away with it for a long time.
unidentified
Uh-huh.
jordan holmes
Waited until they caught him.
unidentified
And then he's like, is he thinking like, what took you guys so long?
jordan holmes
Like, what are we doing here?
dan friesen
Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah.
He was in on it from the jump in order to get this arrest eventually.
unidentified
Right, right, right.
dan friesen
This line of thinking doesn't continue, but I do appreciate it because it's, you know, it's kind of like someone just swinging wildly.
Yeah, yeah, yeah.
It's that old...
jordan holmes
It's like when you put your head down and you just wave your arms around and watch it.
It's the windmill!
dan friesen
That old fighting spirit.
Good to see it.
That old college spirit in Alex.
Very sad, impotent, and goes nowhere, but I'd still like to see it.
So, in this next clip, we find out that Alex has reached a certain point in his fear of...
The future.
You know, obviously, he's talked about how he's preparing his bunker in maybe somewhere outside Austin or something.
jordan holmes
It's a bunker.
dan friesen
He's certainly done a lot of these infomercials with his food people, his doomsday food people.
We've reached a new pinnacle.
alex jones
Like used to, I'd go into the doctor to get checked or something.
They'd say, here's some antibiotics.
Or I'd get a tooth pulled.
Here's some antibiotics.
And say, I don't need it.
And I wouldn't get the prescription.
Now, I go get the prescription and I go put it in the medicine cabinet to keep it.
I mean, I'm doing little things like that, folks.
Because antibiotics and things are going to be absolutely valuable.
So, because I don't ever need an antibiotic for crack tooth or sore throat or whatever, but I'll still go get it checked out in case it's something bad.
And I get it in case I need it.
And I've got like seven bottles of antibiotics in the last couple of years.
I'm sure their expiration date will be out in a while, but they're still good for a while.
dan friesen
Okay.
Alex is hoarding antibiotics.
jordan holmes
I mean, I don't know.
Yeah.
unidentified
I don't know.
jordan holmes
Yeah, sure.
Let's hoard antibiotics.
I don't know what to do with that.
dan friesen
I don't either.
jordan holmes
Will Smith used him in I Am Legend.
I don't know.
That was smart.
dan friesen
Sure, sure.
That movie was very, very real.
jordan holmes
It was a documentary.
dan friesen
Uh-huh.
Yeah, I mean, I don't know.
jordan holmes
It's based on Vincent Price's life.
dan friesen
I feel like you could probably end up causing more harm than good.
I mean, especially if you have expired antibiotics, or if you don't have enough for a full cycle, you could end up giving yourself a drug-resistant form of something.
You could end up, like, outside of doctor's supervision, taking medications is usually something they don't advise.
And antibiotics is one of them!
jordan holmes
As far as his backup plan for when the operation with his supplements goes down, Hawking expired antibiotics in the apocalypse.
dan friesen
He did say they're going to be very valuable.
jordan holmes
That does sound like him!
I gotta give him that!
He's preparing to hawk even more bullshit.
unidentified
I got Zithromycin's two years past overdue, but where are you going to get better?
dan friesen
What are you going to do?
jordan holmes
Antibiotics expire.
They're just lying to you about that.
Why wouldn't you say that?
dan friesen
Yeah.
So Alex is really trying to cover this QAnon question that was posed to Trump.
unidentified
Sure.
dan friesen
But without really having to own the fact that it was about QAnon.
alex jones
Trump asked if he supports conspiracy theory.
Conspiracy theory that he's saving the world from satanic pedophiles.
There are a lot of satanists.
There are a lot of pedophiles.
Trump's fighting them.
unidentified
But the question was about QAnon.
jordan holmes
I don't know what you're talking about.
dan friesen
Alex doesn't completely deny that the question...
He does mention at one point that the question is about QAnon, but then tries to cover everything surrounding it much longer in the show outside of that context, which is strange to me.
jordan holmes
Yeah, he's almost trying to discredit the conspiracy theory with...
Conspiracy theory.
dan friesen
Yes.
jordan holmes
About how there isn't a conspiracy theory, but there is a conspiracy.
dan friesen
Something like that.
jordan holmes
Yeah.
dan friesen
So Alex plays this clip from MSNBC about the Trump-liking QAnon.
jordan holmes
Right.
dan friesen
There's a discussion of Trump-liking QAnon.
And this is interesting.
One of my favorite things about this show, Alex's show...
Is the various ways in which tech goes wrong.
jordan holmes
Yeah.
dan friesen
There's a lot that we've seen.
There have been phone call problems, Skype problems.
jordan holmes
Nobody just says hello.
dan friesen
Yeah.
Certainly there have been times when people can't find things that Alex needs.
This is a new one.
jordan holmes
Okay.
dan friesen
And it's the kind of tech issue that I never thought you'd run into.
alex jones
This is from MSNBC.
Donald Trump is far more well-suited.
We had InfoWars host, then POTUS.
Here it is.
nicolle wallace
Elise, it is an understatement to say Trump's on the low road.
Trump is like subterranean, way down under where all the pipes are laid underground.
And to that point, he's wrapping himself around...
How do you say it?
QAnon?
QAnon loons?
And he has congratulated a right-wing candidate.
I mean, he is so committed now to the dark underbelly, the fringiest aspects, that I don't see how they think there are enough of those people that they're willing to roll the dice and repel the kinds of independents.
alex jones
Back it up five minutes or five seconds.
Look at this information.
It's just crazy.
You can see in that lady's bookstore there that they're on her.
It's a little distracting with the music playing in the background, guys.
Rolling Stones.
Alright, whatever.
Let's just start the whole clip over.
unidentified
Okay.
dan friesen
That was not going out to break.
That was just middle of the segment music coming in.
unidentified
Somebody there is working for us.
jordan holmes
That's the only thing that makes sense.
Who would just start playing music?
That was on purpose.
dan friesen
No, I think it was like a switch glitch or something like that.
Because it started right after the clip.
So you probably went to a different channel or something like that with the audio feed.
And it accidentally was on a radio station or something.
Like what people are listening to instead of listening to Alex.
jordan holmes
Right, right, right.
alex jones
I just...
dan friesen
It's amazing.
It's remarkable just the new ways that you find to fuck up your professionalism and your presentation.
jordan holmes
I just love it.
I'm waiting.
Somebody has to throw a pie in his face.
That's what needs to happen.
dan friesen
Yeah.
jordan holmes
That's what the closure I need.
dan friesen
Preferably while he's doing another publicity stunt with llamas in the studio.
jordan holmes
And it should be Millie Weaver.
dan friesen
Yes.
jordan holmes
With a chip implanted inside of her.
dan friesen
Payback.
jordan holmes
Absolutely.
dan friesen
So in this next clip, Alex is just disgustingly Islamophobic.
alex jones
The left doesn't leave California and come to your state and stop it.
They come and they bring California.
And Islam doesn't leave Islam.
And then come here and want to be us.
No, no, no.
On average, they're disgusted with who we are.
And, I mean, I'm disgusted with who we are, but I don't want to blow people up.
jordan holmes
Yes, you do.
alex jones
And they do not embrace us.
dan friesen
So, I mean, that's nothing new, and it doesn't really add a whole lot to our understanding of Alex, but I played the clip, and I cut that intentionally, just as a reminder.
When he's talking about these things, he says, on average, he's talking about normal people.
He's not having a conversation that's specifically about people with extreme ideologies of whatever orientation or faith they might be in.
jordan holmes
He's talking about three girls in a pool store.
dan friesen
Yeah, he's talking about just all, like, on average Muslims, they hate us.
jordan holmes
Yeah.
dan friesen
And it's like, hey man, stop trying to pretend that that's not what you're saying.
jordan holmes
Yeah.
dan friesen
Stop trying to pretend that you're having a different conversation than...
You just generally hate other groups of people.
jordan holmes
Yeah, the idea that no matter what, no one has any interest in assimilating into American culture at large and only want to impose their culture upon other people.
dan friesen
And they're disgusted so they want to blow you up.
jordan holmes
Yeah, which is bananas because he totally wants to blow people up and force his ideas upon everyone else.
dan friesen
Speaking of people who blow things up, particularly...
Foreign governments, if you believe, Alex.
Steve Pachenik is going to be on today.
jordan holmes
I'm excited!
dan friesen
My boy!
jordan holmes
What's he got?
dan friesen
Steve's on because he has some thoughts about Bannon.
jordan holmes
Of course he does!
He hates Bannon, right?
unidentified
Oh yeah.
alex jones
I was about to call a producer, Daria, and say get Steve Pachenik on, and here comes the message.
Hey, Steve Pachenik wants to come on.
He's got a lot of inside baseball on Steve Bannon.
I don't know his take yet, but I'm going to give you mine.
We'll see how they match up.
It's kind of a fun game.
dan friesen
It is.
alex jones
I don't like Steve Bannon.
Steve Bannon brought in a bunch of the deep state globalists.
He basically is a Hollywood screenwriter, and he took a lot of the populist movement that was already out there that this audience supported and kind of cobbled together as an operating system.
Trump resonated with it, along with Stephen Miller, who I think is a good guy, and Trump really believes it, so he picked it up.
But then Bannon lied in the Senate committee.
Intelligence Committee and said that, well, Stone had no connections to WikiLeaks.
Well, that was the truth.
But then he went and lied with perjury to the show trial in D.C. against Roger Stone with Judge Amy Berman Jackson and said that he was the main conduit.
Well, I was there.
There was no conduit.
dan friesen
So that's one of Alex's big, his argument about Bannon.
He just keeps insisting that he bore a false witness in Roger's trial.
jordan holmes
Sure, sure, sure.
dan friesen
And that's because he believes that Bannon told the Senate Intelligence Committee that Roger had no connection to Wiggy Leaks.
But then, at the trial, he claimed the opposite in order to jam Roger up.
jordan holmes
Yes, it was a surprise.
dan friesen
Unfortunately, the Senate Intelligence Committee's report was released last week, and if you consult page 241, you'll find this.
Quote, Bannon recalled discussing WikiLeaks and Assange with Stone both before and after taking over as the chief executive officer of the Trump campaign on August 13, 2016.
Bannon recalled that prior to joining the campaign, Stone told him that he had a connection to Assange and implied that he had inside information about WikiLeaks.
After Bannon assumed the role of campaign CEO, Stone repeated to him that he had a relationship with Assange and said that WikiLeaks was going to dump additional materials That would be bad for the Trump campaign.
jordan holmes
That sure sounds like a crime.
dan friesen
Alex's premise is false, that Bannon testified something contradictory at Rogers' trial compared to what he said in his Senate testimony.
He's just banking on his audience not taking the time to learn what the Senate report says, which is a safe bet.
jordan holmes
Yeah, it's a thousand pages long.
dan friesen
It's very long.
jordan holmes
It's very long.
dan friesen
Yep.
So, Steve Pachanek comes on.
Whenever I say Steve, I'm going to be talking about Pachanek.
When I say Bannon, I'm going to talk about Steve Bannon.
jordan holmes
Okay.
dan friesen
For the sake of clarity.
unidentified
Right.
dan friesen
So, Steve comes in, and man, I love this guy when he swings.
He swings for the goddamn fences.
jordan holmes
You know, lately, without Steve Buchanek, there isn't anybody who's really going for it, you know?
dan friesen
Well, I find that I hate all of these people, and I think they're all monsters, and they all have nefarious agendas.
jordan holmes
Agreed.
dan friesen
Which should just be taken as read.
jordan holmes
Yeah.
dan friesen
I think that there's two classes of criminal here.
And there's people who are just really embarrassing scams.
And I think we'll see another one later, and that's Deanna Lorraine.
unidentified
Of course.
dan friesen
She comes up later, and it's like, this is an embarrassing fraud.
Who gives a shit?
Millie Weaver's terrible.
jordan holmes
Right.
dan friesen
Owen Schroyer's terrible.
jordan holmes
Garbage.
dan friesen
So many of these people that Alex has on as guests are just dismissible weak.
jordan holmes
Yeah.
dan friesen
Steve is another class of criminal.
jordan holmes
He's got his own thing.
dan friesen
I think part of it comes down to brazenness.
jordan holmes
Yeah.
dan friesen
Steve doesn't give a shit.
jordan holmes
Not a fucking shit.
He does not care.
dan friesen
No.
jordan holmes
Go home and tell your mother you're brilliant.
unidentified
Exactly.
jordan holmes
That's the fucking...
That is Steve.
Just like, oh, you don't like it?
I don't care.
dan friesen
From the perspective of someone who has to listen to these ding-dongs talk all the time, I at least get some sort of an entertainment value out of Steve.
And particularly when he comes in, and this is his complaint about Bannon.
alex jones
What is your take on this?
steve pieczenik
It's very simple.
I was on your show a couple of months ago, and I said that Steve Bannon was a complete sociopath, and eventually he would trap himself in his lies and his collusions with his colleagues.
I am for the indictment, conviction, and prison for Steve Bannon.
The reason is very simple.
Bannon is what we call a self-promoter.
A nicer term or a different term would be a BS artist.
jordan holmes
Oh, really?
dan friesen
Oh, really, Steve?
jordan holmes
So that's why he should be in prison.
dan friesen
Right, because he's a BS artist.
jordan holmes
He's a BS artist.
Family show.
He's a BS artist.
unidentified
Coming from the guy who solved every geopolitical problem that has ever happened.
jordan holmes
Coming from the guy who cured corruption.
alex jones
Coronavirus!
dan friesen
Yeah, certainly was patient zero.
Yeah, I think...
unidentified
He's a BS artist, Dad.
That's...
dan friesen
There's something so universal about that mentality of, like, whatever they're accusing us of, we're doing.
You know, that kind of thing.
And I think that everybody has it to a little degree in this Infowars world.
But...
Steve fucking relishes it.
He wallows in it.
He's the biggest self-promoter in the world.
He allows Alex to say that he's who Tom Clancy based Jack Ryan on.
unidentified
Of course.
dan friesen
He loves it.
He's a gigantic BS artist.
It's just delicious.
That projection is amazing.
jordan holmes
He's covered in someone's blood that he just murdered and he's like...
I don't like Steve Bannon.
He murders too many people.
That's what we're doing right here.
It's amazing.
dan friesen
From an entertainment standpoint, Steve still sucks.
jordan holmes
He's the worst.
He should be imprisoned for being a BS artist, Dan.
dan friesen
Well, by his logic.
By his logic!
So, Steve, months ago, had told Alex that Bannon was going down.
jordan holmes
Yeah, well, I mean, that was a safe bet.
dan friesen
Now, mic down for this, because I want you to follow how excited Alex gets when he thinks that this was based on inside information, and how disappointing it is when he's like, nah, I was just talking shit.
steve pieczenik
Now, remember, months ago, I had told you Bannon was going to be arrested.
And a year ago, I told you...
alex jones
By the way, you did say that.
I should have started the broadcast.
I remember you.
I mean, have you gotten rumblings of this, or you said Bannon's going to pay?
steve pieczenik
No.
No.
I had no rumblings.
One of the things that you and I do intuitively is it's obvious when a man like Bannon gets up ahead of himself.
dan friesen
Sure.
So that was great because Alex is like, oh, you got some inside information?
You got some rumblings?
jordan holmes
Nope.
Out of nowhere.
dan friesen
Just talking shit.
jordan holmes
Just made it up off the top of my head.
dan friesen
He seemed in over his head.
jordan holmes
I didn't like him.
I don't like him.
So I just assumed he was going to go to jail.
dan friesen
Yep.
So, I'm going to play this next clip, and it's Steve sort of rambling a little bit about Obama, and one of the only reasons I'm playing this is just as a way to point out that Alex is back pretty deeply in the calling Michelle Mike and doing all that stuff.
It's pretty disgusting.
steve pieczenik
None of them have ever put in a president.
Obama was a freak of the CIA.
Black.
Lying, homosexual, complete farce, who then calls our president a farce and then, you know, delivers Michelle Obama, a total nobody, who was already threatening Harvard and Princeton.
alex jones
What do you think of Big Mike?
That's her nickname now.
What do you think of Big Mike?
steve pieczenik
I think she is exactly what she is.
She's a asexual individual.
I've got to be careful.
alex jones
Hold on, Steve.
unidentified
Hold on, no, no.
dan friesen
We're going to come back with her threat to America, that things are going to get really bad if we reelect This is just such a stupid game, but Alex is getting deep into it again, and we've seen this cycle play out over and over again, and it's really not worth getting riled up about, because as ugly and based in bigotry as it all is, he's just trolling.
He's really just trying to get a reaction out of people.
Because we've seen this happen in cycles before, where he gets into this Michelle's a man thing, and then whenever there's too much heat about it, he'll be like, we were just joking, you know, obviously this isn't something that we're serious about, but while he's doing it, he'll play it very seriously, like, I absolutely mean this.
jordan holmes
This is attention-seeking behavior.
dan friesen
Yeah, absolutely.
I would leave it alone entirely, except for it's becoming pretty frequent on his show.
And so I just want to say...
jordan holmes
He's trying to wink and get away with it.
dan friesen
He's doing this again.
jordan holmes
Yeah, yeah, yeah.
dan friesen
It's very dumb.
So Alex, another one of his big narratives lately has been this idea that what's going to happen is that the election's going to happen, and then Trump's going to win, but then Pelosi and the left and the Democrats, they're going to say that Biden won, and they're going to secede.
All the blue states are going to secede.
Right.
jordan holmes
I'm 100% fine with that at this point.
dan friesen
Alex pitches this to Steve, and Steve's response is pretty interesting.
alex jones
Every one of the pundits, from Van Jones to Senator Schumer to Hillary, they all come out to Eric Holder and regurgitate this and say, we're normalizing it, we're going to secede and take the country with them, and we're back.
to the early 1860s, Dr. Pachanek.
So this is serious.
If they even attempt this, it could really hurt the stock market, hurt the country, break it up.
I mean, we can't just let them criminally...
claim that they're going to take states that Democrats win and break away from the nation.
steve pieczenik
Let me say the following.
Number one, that's never going to happen.
dan friesen
No shit.
jordan holmes
Let me say the following.
Shut up.
dan friesen
Yeah.
Alex, let me start off by saying that your premise is ridiculous.
unidentified
Now.
dan friesen
Yeah.
jordan holmes
Let's begin with you're a big dum-dum.
Next point.
You're still a big dum-dum.
dan friesen
Alex, let me begin my speech by saying that this thing that you've been working for the last month trying to scare your audience about is stupid cuckoo brains.
It'll never happen.
jordan holmes
Nope.
dan friesen
It's nonsensical.
Your audience does not need to be afraid of that.
jordan holmes
Shit.
I love it whenever he's so dismissive.
Not many people get to just take an Alex point of view and just go, stop it.
dan friesen
Yeah.
jordan holmes
Get out.
dan friesen
Hey, Alex, that's a big talking point for you, and it's dumb.
jordan holmes
Just boo in the background.
Instead of you responding just while Alex is talking, just go, boo!
dan friesen
Well, I mean, that would be disrespectful.
jordan holmes
Yes.
dan friesen
Certainly.
jordan holmes
Yeah.
dan friesen
But I think what Steve does is even more disrespectful.
jordan holmes
It is.
dan friesen
Because whenever Alex talks about his ideas and his notions about America and freedom, usually there's a presentation of this romanticized ideal.
And when Steve comes on, it becomes pretty clear.
He doesn't share the same ideas about America.
jordan holmes
He literally wants a fascist queen.
He wants millennia to be queen.
steve pieczenik
Trump, a non-politician.
Guess what?
We're going to probably one day get Jared Kushner or an Ivanka.
And the reason for that is he's opened the pathway for business people to understand that the republic is based on one simple principle and one simple religion.
Serial capitalism.
What I used to do is serial angel investor.
alex jones
Sure, it's reinvention.
It's always been on the cutting edge of global development and innovation.
dan friesen
Yeah, so Steve believes that the only religion and the only thing that this country is based on is serial capitalism.
And Alex has to agree with him.
jordan holmes
When in the course of human events.
dan friesen
Right.
Oh boy.
Yeah, that's kind of...
jordan holmes
Oh, boy.
King George, we are sick of not being serial capitalists, sir.
We must away with you.
dan friesen
Yeah.
I don't know.
I think I have a different view of America than Steve.
And I think Alex has sold his audience a different view of it, too.
And if this is truly what Alex believes, and the way he sees things...
I think that he's done his audience a serious disservice by selling them a bill of goods about this romantic notion of freedom and...
Everything that he talks about.
jordan holmes
If that's what you believe, why even talk to me about the Constitution or the Bill of Rights or the Declaration of Independence?
dan friesen
Because those are all to protect serial capitalism.
jordan holmes
Just don't bother with those.
I'm tired of them telling me, oh, read your Constitution.
And I'm like, yeah.
It's not in there.
Just say to me you don't give a shit about the rules or law or anything.
dan friesen
They would throw out everything that this country is based on if it meant protecting capitalism.
jordan holmes
White capitalism.
dan friesen
Certainly.
We have one last clip here from Steve's interview.
This is interesting because this seems like a really big brag and I don't think it's accurate.
But it might be less far off than we want it to be.
alex jones
Predict what's coming and how people position themselves for a successful, good, happy life.
steve pieczenik
I was involved with Jonestown.
I couldn't believe it.
I didn't even have to leave the United States.
They self-destruct.
And that's where the Democratic cult party is going.
They are in the process of self-destruction.
dan friesen
I don't believe that Steve was involved in Jonestown.
jordan holmes
That's what he was involved in Jonestown, Dan.
dan friesen
He was Jim Jones, third in command.
jordan holmes
Of course.
dan friesen
No, I don't believe that he was involved in any meaningful way.
jordan holmes
I'm waiting for him to say he was involved in Jamestown.
steve pieczenik
Sure.
dan friesen
If you are your ancestors.
No, he, uh, but the timeline, I believe, is actually right, that he would have been the undersecretary or the deputy assistant secretary of the State Department for Management around the time that the People's Temple was in existence.
jordan holmes
Right.
dan friesen
So I could see him being aware of...
The situation in Jonestown.
I don't know if I believe that he had any major role to play in it.
jordan holmes
I can see him reading a briefing or something along those lines.
And then that, of course, turns into the mythology of him being like...
And whenever I faxed that briefing to my superior...
Obviously, it influenced things and changed the course of human events yet again.
dan friesen
Yeah, I could see him in that role as deputy assistant secretary knowing something about what was going on.
jordan holmes
Yeah, sure.
dan friesen
And then learning that the dude was going to go pay a visit to the congressperson.
And I could see Steve either being like, don't do that, or him being like, totally do that.
I could see either one.
jordan holmes
No, he doesn't give a shit.
dan friesen
Yeah.
So, after this, Steve leaves, and we get our visit from Deanna Lorraine.
unidentified
Great.
dan friesen
So we go from, like, really ambitious, bold, brazen dickhole...
jordan holmes
What is real is not real.
What's real is...
Or what's not real is real.
unidentified
Yeah.
dan friesen
Yeah.
To Deanna Lorraine, it's just like, this is such a shift in tone.
It feels so much...
Like, this dude might have been involved in Jonestown.
And then...
And then we go to this.
alex jones
So tell people what happened yesterday.
unidentified
So yesterday, I'm at a nice hotel, right?
This isn't like a cheap hotel.
This is a nice hotel.
alex jones
I told them, don't get you one downtown, though.
It's like another world down there, man.
unidentified
But it's a good one, but it's a nice hotel, right?
And I'm going in round, and I just went to the restaurant.
I went to ask the hostess a question.
I said, you know, is the restaurant, you know, what time does the restaurant close?
deanna lorraine
And naturally, as I'm talking to her, I just pulled my mask down a little bit to talk to her because otherwise it's so muffled, right?
unidentified
And she just yells at me.
She said, put your mask on over your nose.
Put your mask on over your nose.
I said, you know, you could just say, hi, how are you?
Or you could be nice about it, but you don't have to scream at me about it.
And again, as I'm saying, you don't have to scream at me about it in a nice way.
She screams at me again.
Put your mask over your nose.
Put your mask over your nose.
And I said, you know what?
I can't do this anymore.
You know, I think that at least during this pandemic, I'm already wearing my mask.
It's already dehumanizing.
You can at least be nice.
What happened to customer service during this pandemic?
It's gone completely out the window.
All right.
jordan holmes
Even Alex is bored.
unidentified
And then I couldn't really help myself.
I did flip her off as I'm walking away.
And I said, I'm going to file a complaint about you.
I can't.
alex jones
Well, you should.
dan friesen
Yeah, you should.
Wow.
jordan holmes
Just.
Just wow.
dan friesen
What happened to customer service?
jordan holmes
Wow.
Just fucking...
You know, I do like the globe.
I like the globe-trotting mythology.
I do.
I like the idea of Steve Pachenik being everywhere, the Forrest Gump all the time, and his swing's so big, and she's like, what happened to basic decency?
dan friesen
It's minuscule.
It's petty.
It's personal.
It's...
jordan holmes
A boring story.
dan friesen
It's not a great story.
It's shitting on people who are having to go to work in unideal conditions.
It's unable to take a view outside herself at all to what these people might be going through.
It's not worthwhile.
Even if the story is 100% true, she sounds like an asshole.
jordan holmes
She is an asshole!
dan friesen
Nothing about this is...
It's petty culture war type nonsense.
It doesn't rise to the level of being interesting.
jordan holmes
This servant that is risking her life for minimum wage is not treating me the way that I would appreciate.
And so I am going to scream at her and flip the bird.
dan friesen
Great.
jordan holmes
Cool.
dan friesen
Whereas Steve may be involved in Jonestown.
Exactly!
So, anyway, this is the last clip here from the 20th.
Deanna is talking about how she was on the TV in Australia, which we know about.
jordan holmes
Yes, we were there.
dan friesen
Her feed was cut, allegedly.
jordan holmes
Oh, it was the scalar attack.
dan friesen
Or the Skype went out.
One of the two.
unidentified
Look, I was on the Australian News, right, a couple weeks ago.
The Australian Today Show.
And as soon as I started getting into the real death numbers and the presumed death...
alex jones
They cut you off.
unidentified
Oh, yeah.
They cut me off and they said it was a bad feed, right?
And I talked about the president of Tanzania, how he's actually a scientist, and he sent in non-human samples testing a goat, testing a pawpaw, and it comes back positive.
You can't make this stuff up, but you can.
They're making it up, and yet the PSYOP continues.
Oh, boy.
dan friesen
You know what?
It's really funny how her Skype went out when she was interviewed on Alex's show, and then Alex very clearly was like, I don't think that they cut her feed.
I'm suspecting she didn't listen to that.
jordan holmes
That's so stupid.
God, of course.
Oh, my God.
I was saying a bunch of nonsense, and then my Skype feed cut out, which I proved never happened, because my Skype feed cut out with you, Alex, the person I'm talking to right now.
Obviously, it's those statistics that were dangerous.
dan friesen
It was so...
Blunt and in your face that my Skype is terrible.
That even you, Alex Jones, couldn't pretend that it was a conspiracy.
But now, I'm in studio and people have forgotten that that happened so we can pretend again.
jordan holmes
That was a million years ago.
dan friesen
We can pretend these people are children.
So we get to the 21st and Alex opens his show and it's just like, this is where we're at.
alex jones
Here is some of the new ads that Trump's putting out on this issue and the crime wave on this live Friday broadcast.
dan friesen
Alex just opens his show playing Trump-produced ads.
jordan holmes
He's playing Trump-produced ads.
dan friesen
Yeah.
jordan holmes
For no charge?
dan friesen
I would assume so, yeah.
jordan holmes
That's a campaign finance violation, I believe?
dan friesen
I don't know.
I don't know the law on that well enough.
I think you can play them if you're not being paid.
jordan holmes
Oh, yeah, that's probably true.
Isn't that a gift in kind?
Yeah, it's a gift in kind, isn't it?
dan friesen
I don't know.
jordan holmes
I don't know how the law works, but I feel like that's wrong.
dan friesen
I don't know if it's wrong, but it's certainly like, okay.
It puts you in a box, but I guess InfoWars has always been in that box.
jordan holmes
That's fair.
dan friesen
So I'm going to skip past this clip because Alex gets kind of hung up on a new Call of Duty commercial.
alex jones
Sure!
jordan holmes
Why not?
Why not?
dan friesen
There's a Call of Duty Cold War game campaign that's coming out.
There's a commercial for it that uses some audio of a Soviet KGB defector from way back.
And Alex is sort of pretending.
That the storyline of the game is reality, and it's very weird.
But expect that to come back in the future.
jordan holmes
Now it's not just movies.
Video games are also predictive programming.
dan friesen
It's all real.
jordan holmes
Everything is lesser magic.
dan friesen
Other day, I was doing laundry.
I ran into Crash Bandicoot.
Predictive programming.
jordan holmes
That's a real surprise.
He was hiding with those two birds.
dan friesen
So, I'm going to leave that aside because it's not really all that important.
But I do predict that it'll come back.
Anyway, Roger comes in now.
Roger Stone is guest, and it's also to talk about Bannon.
jordan holmes
Yeah, well, of course.
dan friesen
And Roger...
Oh, God.
These guys are pros.
Him and Steve are pros.
unidentified
Like...
dan friesen
This is just the shittiest shithead taking the high road stuff I've ever heard.
unidentified
Okay.
I must say at the top that I take no delight in Steve Bannon's new problems, but they don't surprise me because we know definitively that he directly contradicted his testimony at my trial.
dan friesen
That's just like such a...
unidentified
Wow.
dan friesen
That's such a cool, like, hey, look, I'm not happy, but the dude's a snake.
jordan holmes
I just...
I just can't believe.
How do you think you can get away with that rhetorically?
That's such a fuck you.
dan friesen
If this wasn't Infowars, then every single time that Roger was on, I'd be like, why'd you drop that appeal?
jordan holmes
Yeah, totally.
dan friesen
What happened there?
unidentified
Did you read that report that was just out?
dan friesen
Oh, he says, he does touch on that, and he's like, oh, it's just all the same old stuff.
jordan holmes
Well, I guess that we don't have to bother with it.
dan friesen
Not quite all the same old stuff.
Interestingly, Roger seems to be really mad that he didn't know during his trial that Steve Bannon was under investigation because Bannon was a witness against him, and he could have used that.
unidentified
In my trial, the government had an obligation to tell us that Steve Bannon, their chief witness, was under federal investigation.
Not doing so is a Brady violation.
It's not that Bannon's federal investigation was exculpatory, but we could have used it to impeach his credibility.
Did Steve try to make a deal on this criminal charge and throw me to the wolves in return?
I'll never know.
But, you know, I'm praying for him at this point.
dan friesen
Classy.
jordan holmes
Oh, man.
dan friesen
What a dick.
jordan holmes
That is such a...
A clause doesn't inviolate the entire sentence of what you're saying.
Yeah.
Look, I mean, I think he should probably be lit on fire.
Have you seen Wicker Man?
That was pretty good.
You sacrifice him.
Now, I wish him the best of luck in the afterlife.
unidentified
Sure.
dan friesen
Absolutely.
I would say that my response to that clip is, this investigation is not essential to impeach the character credibility of Steve Bannon.
jordan holmes
What are you talking about?
unidentified
If you couldn't have done it prior, I don't know if this is going to help.
dan friesen
I don't...
jordan holmes
Well, look, you can't bring up all the scams that the both of you were involved in together.
dan friesen
Fair enough.
jordan holmes
So you've got to bring in the feds.
That's the only thing that'll make sense.
dan friesen
Yeah.
So, when...
We were talking about the immediate reaction that Alex had to Shadowgate, right?
unidentified
Yes.
jordan holmes
It was the gate of gates.
dan friesen
Oh, it was.
jordan holmes
It was the gate of gates.
dan friesen
Yes.
That's the first immediate reaction.
Then Alex's reaction was, I don't know shit about this.
jordan holmes
He's never heard of it.
dan friesen
I don't get involved.
I don't get involved with secret stuff.
jordan holmes
It wasn't even the gate of a gate.
dan friesen
All Alex does...
Is take publicly available information.
unidentified
Of course!
jordan holmes
He doesn't have secret sources.
No!
dan friesen
No, but now...
alex jones
And here he is, groveling, lying, working with the system, leaking on Trump, and now the very people, as I'm told, I talked to high-level folks in New York yesterday morning, they said, no, this is the deep state.
Democrats trying to embarrass Trump.
So now the deep state's doing Trump a favor against this traitor.
It just shows there's no honor amongst thieves.
dan friesen
So now Alex has secret sources, high-level sources in New York, who have told him that the Bannon arrest was to embarrass Trump.
jordan holmes
This is just not fair.
unidentified
It's just not fair.
You know, you get through it, but every now and again it still hits you.
jordan holmes
It's just like, this is just not fair.
dan friesen
I mean, you're preaching to the choir.
jordan holmes
I'm fine with it most of the time, but when he says that, it's just, you're just, just slap me in the face.
I would prefer if he just hit me with a glove and was like, no, I never hit you, and then hit me again.
No, I never hit you.
That would at least give me something to feel.
dan friesen
Right, right.
jordan holmes
Other than impotent.
dan friesen
This is spiritually very similar.
And if you want it to get worse, I submit to you this next clip.
jordan holmes
Great, great.
unidentified
The Wall Street Journal has also reported that there are ongoing investigations into Bannon's relationship with a Chinese billionaire.
I don't know what will come of any of that.
I don't know if there's any wrongdoing there.
But I think this story is to be continued.
dan friesen
Roger is very careful not to say the person's name, because that dude sued Roger for $100 million.
jordan holmes
I have no idea what you're talking about.
unidentified
That was Miles Kwok, who sued the shit out of Roger.
dan friesen
Oh, God.
jordan holmes
Roger has to be like, I heard about a Chinese billionaire.
I've never even talked about any Chinese billionaires in the past.
I have no idea what you guys are talking about.
Who the fuck is Millie Weaver?
I've been hearing a lot about her.
dan friesen
I must insist that I not say this person's name because I don't want to get sued again.
jordan holmes
Cheating liars.
dan friesen
So, interestingly, I thought that this was pretty...
Pretty interesting.
And that is that Alex always in interviews is like, do five more minutes.
Always.
He's like me back when I used to drink.
One more beer.
unidentified
One more beer.
Come on.
jordan holmes
Another round.
We've been there before.
dan friesen
And Alex is like that in almost every interview.
And almost every time people are like, yeah, let's go ahead and do a little more.
Roger, not so much.
alex jones
Let me just do a few little factoids.
And if you gotta go, you gotta go.
If you do five more, just blink.
Can you do five more, Roger?
unidentified
Actually, I have to end this segment.
alex jones
Oh, I know.
You're a busy guy now.
unidentified
Wow.
alex jones
Talk about in demand.
dan friesen
Roger's gotta go.
I'm certain he has nothing he needs to do.
jordan holmes
No, no.
No, I'm done.
dan friesen
Yeah.
jordan holmes
I got what I wanted out of this.
I'm not giving you a cent more.
dan friesen
I have...
Talked about how Bannon sucks, but then also been like, I've prayed for him.
I've also spread just enough suspicion about Bannon intersecting with my trial that my appeal doesn't...
jordan holmes
I've heard there's some connections.
unidentified
My dropping of the appeal doesn't look quite as shifty.
jordan holmes
Why wouldn't I drop the appeal?
He's lying the whole time anyways.
dan friesen
So, Alex goes to break.
And comes back.
And this really was weird.
I got worried.
jordan holmes
Okay.
dan friesen
There are times when I'm listening to Alex's show where the tone shift is so dramatic that I'm like, uh-oh.
What's going to happen?
jordan holmes
Okay.
dan friesen
What is going to happen?
alex jones
Okay.
Let me just get into this right now.
jordan holmes
He sounds unhappy.
alex jones
When I say I'm going to be honest with you, it just means that I don't want to be honest with you.
Oh, boy.
And by that, all I've got is that I tell people what I really think.
If I'm joking around, I'll tell you, but still in the satire, you get the truth of what I'm doing.
And 99% of the time, I'm being serious.
unidentified
What?
alex jones
They always take the satire out of context.
Even though I love satire, it's a good escape.
What?
I'm so scared.
dan friesen
I am terrified.
Whenever Alex starts talking in riddles...
jordan holmes
Yeah, he's going Sufi on us?
I'm only being honest because I can't be honest.
dan friesen
When I tell you that I gotta be honest about something, it means I don't want to be honest about something.
What are you doing?
That really worried me.
And he doesn't get to the point.
He just keeps going down weird roads like, he's not a racist, but kind of...
alex jones
The enemy's winning, and in certain ways they're losing, and others.
Their old globalist house of cards is starting to come down, but their plan to counter that is to implode everything and get us so distracted with trying to feed ourselves, they don't get in trouble, and they run off through all their armored fortresses while we kill each other.
It doesn't mean we don't have real beefs with each other.
It doesn't mean there's not racist white people, racist black people, racist whatever.
It doesn't mean that there isn't real issues.
But the big New World Order mothership is killing everybody.
And we've got to save the ship.
And then later we want to be idiots and kill each other.
We can do that.
At least we're not going to blow the planet up.
jordan holmes
Well, thanks.
alex jones
I get it.
I'm not a racist to hate somebody because of what color they are.
But I'm dealing with a racist group that doesn't like me because of what color I am.
I don't like those people.
I get angry at them.
And when I'm getting attacked by that group of people, it's going to be white people that come to my aid.
That's the way tribalism works, ladies and gentlemen, and I don't want to punch those buttons.
Because I punch those buttons, I personally will become wealthier and more successful for a little while.
And then we'll all be destroyed together.
dan friesen
I'm so fucking scared.
I swear to God, I'm not, like, I didn't cut out parts that make this make sense.
This is what happened right after Alex's, like, exasperated, you know, I'm not, can't do satire because people take it out of...
And then he's doing this weird thing.
It's like, hey, you know, there's these people who hate me because I'm white, so I hate them, and then white people support me, and I could lean into that and be more outwardly racist.
That's super profitable, but only for a little while.
What is he talking about?
jordan holmes
His career?
Is that what he's...
Did he just sum up, like, since he joined Trump, he's like, well, you know, I was explicitly racist, and that worked really well for a little while, but then it all caught up to me on account of being sued by everybody for all the things that I did for being those.
dan friesen
But he's not being sued for being racist.
jordan holmes
No, of course not, but he probably thinks he is.
dan friesen
Yeah, it's a good way to sort of experience it in a way to get yourself off the hook.
jordan holmes
Yeah, yeah, yeah.
Because I'm not racist, so I don't even need to worry about being sued for being racist, even though I'm not being sued for this.
dan friesen
See, now, I thought that this was what he was going to get into, but he doesn't.
This is sort of a stray thought that he's rambling around.
Like, he's clearly dealing with something, but I'm not sure exactly what it is.
Because he just keeps going, and he's like, I don't want to get into this.
alex jones
So just from a Machiavellian view, I'm human.
So I've got a pro-human outlook, but what's the thing I don't want to get into?
And I figured this out.
I'm tempted to stop doing research.
jordan holmes
Smart.
alex jones
Before and after the show, and just do like a six-hour show, but where I read it and talk about it for the first time on air.
Because my problem is, when I get in here and they've got hundreds of articles in front of me, I've already seen a lot of it.
And then it's like, it's almost like I'm a devil worshiper to look at this.
Like, I don't want to look at this.
dan friesen
What are you talking about?
jordan holmes
I've got a pitch for Alex.
unidentified
Uh-huh.
jordan holmes
All right.
He should stop doing any research.
dan friesen
Well, can I stop you there?
Can I stop you there?
What he should do is...
jordan holmes
What he should do is hire somebody else to do all of the research for him, and then read and analyze those articles that he likes to talk about directly to him, and then he can just react to things.
Hold on one second.
dan friesen
Can I stop you there?
jordan holmes
I'm starting to think.
dan friesen
Because I think that Alex thinks he's doing that.
I think he thinks that his writers are doing that for him now, but he doesn't even read their articles.
jordan holmes
That's fair.
dan friesen
I love the idea of Alex just being like, I'm tempted to stop working.
You don't work now!
jordan holmes
Don't do shit!
What does he think he's doing?
dan friesen
I don't know.
I mean, he did have a killer pool party over the weekend.
jordan holmes
That's true.
dan friesen
Apparently a part in spring.
jordan holmes
He was doing some research about pools.
unidentified
Sandwiches.
Yeah.
dan friesen
Delicious.
Hey, we're doing a scientific test to see how many people can eat sandwiches.
The globalists tell you not to swim half an hour after you eat.
alex jones
Bullshit.
dan friesen
Get in that lake.
jordan holmes
Get on in there.
Eat a sandwich while you're swimming.
dan friesen
I was listening to this and I was troubled.
I didn't know what this headspace was.
I couldn't pin it down.
And then even more than that, I was confused because he was not being specific at all about what he's talking about.
And then in this next clip, I kind of got a sense of what this might be about.
alex jones
I mean, we're not supposed to be around stuff like this.
They bombard us with this.
So I went and reviewed this morning and last night what they're putting on TV for kids, man.
And I can't handle it.
I mean, I want to start killing people.
I'm going to be...
I can't get it off the screen.
I'm not kidding around, folks.
I'm at my breaking point.
dan friesen
So, there's some children's program...
jordan holmes
Are we mad at Peppa Pig?
Is that what's going on here?
What are we doing?
dan friesen
Thomas the Tank Engine has gone downhill.
What are we doing?
I mean, I had a sense that this was about those Netflix posters for that show, or that...
I don't know.
I think it was a movie.
That French movie Cuties.
I believe that...
Did you not see about this online?
jordan holmes
I heard that Netflix took something down because people were pissed off.
dan friesen
There was a poster for it that was way out of line with what the movie itself is about.
The movie itself is sort of an exploration of the hyper-sexualization of youths.
Through the prism of like...
jordan holmes
So the poster hyper-sexualized youth.
dan friesen
Yes.
unidentified
There we go.
dan friesen
Yes.
And so people obviously took great aim at this.
I had a sense that maybe it was something like that.
But even so, this wasn't a movie for kids.
jordan holmes
Yeah.
dan friesen
Like, I don't...
jordan holmes
No, any animation is for kids.
dan friesen
It's not animation.
jordan holmes
No.
Okay.
Well, then any movie that has kids is for kids.
dan friesen
I don't know.
It's interesting.
He's talking about children's programming, but he's still not being specific, and I just didn't know what was going on.
He wants to kill people over there.
jordan holmes
Well, yeah.
alex jones
I got up at 4 a.m., and I saw this story at like 5 a.m., and I went, oh, God, I remember that trailer.
I went and watched it, and then I went and looked at some others, and I was walking down the stairs, and I started dry heaving and throwing up on the floor.
And I actually stumbled into a side bedroom and laid on the ground for about 30 minutes.
And I'm not saying that to get your sympathy.
I'm not a victim.
I'm a warrior.
I can't handle these people, man!
dan friesen
So, I didn't know what he was talking about.
I had to try and find context clues on Infowars.com.
jordan holmes
Sure.
dan friesen
And there was an article from National File that was reposted on Infowars.
It's clearly what he's talking about.
And it was for a show, a Netflix show from last year that RuPaul did.
jordan holmes
From last year.
dan friesen
Yeah.
Called AJ and the Queen.
It was about a drag performer who befriends a 10-year-old who's...
jordan holmes
Oh, yeah, yeah, yeah.
I remember that.
dan friesen
So it's something to do with that trailer.
Apparently, Alex saw it, threw up in his stairway, and then passed out in a side room for half an hour.
jordan holmes
And wants to kill people because of it.
Yeah.
dan friesen
A bit of an overreaction.
unidentified
Don't you get it?
jordan holmes
It's a trailer, Dan.
dan friesen
I also don't think that that show was for children.
I don't necessarily think that was a children's show.
unidentified
I don't know.
jordan holmes
I don't know anymore, Dan.
It has children in it.
It's supposed to be for children.
dan friesen
The best I can tell is the trailer was that.
That's what he's talking about.
Because that's what the article on Infowars that came out this day was.
That matches up to what certainly drives him to want to kill.
jordan holmes
I'm just waiting for him to just be like, why can't every movie just be Angels in the Outfield?
Just make Angels in the Outfield every year.
We get one movie.
dan friesen
It's wholesome if it were that.
And then also...
If you watch Angels in the Outfield, you don't have to take on the pain.
jordan holmes
You don't.
dan friesen
You don't have to take on the pain.
jordan holmes
There are angels to do it for you.
dan friesen
But when Alex sees trailers like this, it gives him great pain.
alex jones
Of course.
I know you're overloaded, too, and that's what the enemy's trying to do.
So we have to give it to God and say, God, I'm just going to get the information out, and I'm not going to let myself take on the pain of this.
But then it's a double-edged sword, and God goes, no, you're supposed to take on the pain.
God's like, I took on all of it.
You can't even look at it, one little piece, get your ass up and stop being a wimp.
So I'll be honest, I'm a wimp.
That's the process, and that's, you know, it is.
But then I look at people who won't even look at this and won't even speak out against it, and I hate you more of the devil-worshipping pedophiles because you could stop it!
unidentified
Hmm.
alex jones
But you don't.
jordan holmes
Couldn't they, too?
unidentified
So.
alex jones
I don't like what the collapse is coming.
Because I know it's not going to be fun.
But you know what?
We all deserve it.
dan friesen
Okay.
jordan holmes
Alright.
You know, when you only saw one set of footprints, Dan, that was when RuPaul was carrying you.
dan friesen
I think this is a little bit of an overreaction.
unidentified
No!
No!
When the collapse comes, it will be because of this show!
dan friesen
AJ and the Queen?
I think he's just pissed off because his initials are AJ.
jordan holmes
No, people are going to think it's me.
dan friesen
I actually wrote that they stole it from me.
jordan holmes
Steve Pachanik actually was the inspiration for Tom Clancy's AJ and the Queen.
dan friesen
That's true.
I heard that on Alex's show.
That's great.
I just think Alex needs to calm down.
unidentified
Yeah, trailers shouldn't make people angry.
dan friesen
No, and I honestly, while I was watching that, found it to ring very false.
I found that to be very fake outrage.
jordan holmes
Yeah, yeah, yeah.
unidentified
Oh, definitely.
dan friesen
I think Alex was aware that there were these, quote-unquote, Save the Children marches planned for the weekend.
jordan holmes
Sure.
dan friesen
And, you know, he certainly likes QAnon stuff, even if he hates QAnon.
jordan holmes
So he's got to find a way to save the children himself.
dan friesen
Well, he has to build that up and make it like a more front-facing, passionate part of his presentation.
In anticipation of that becoming something that he covers more.
jordan holmes
You think you care about the children.
I care about the children so much I'm mad at trailers.
dan friesen
I want a murder because of a trailer.
jordan holmes
Yeah.
dan friesen
Great.
And one of the other reasons that I feel like this is very false and very performative is he does this whole segment about this that's all over the place.
Meandering, rambling, nonsensical.
Then he comes back.
And he does an entire segment about how he's going to go down to Barton Springs with a food truck.
jordan holmes
All right.
Just slap it.
alex jones
The city of Austin has declared a secret Parks and Recreation Department emergency.
That's what they're calling it.
A secret emergency that we went down last weekend with over 200 people and marched down a trail and jumped in Barton Creek.
dan friesen
Multiple times on this episode, Alex mentions people passing out from heat exhaustion.
And it's like, yeah, maybe it was an emergency.
Maybe people were right to call it emergency that you're not taking care of any of the people who come to your rally.
jordan holmes
Sometimes cause and effect seems to escape him.
You know?
Like, sometimes there's very clear causes and effects.
If you are hurting people with your dumb shit...
People are going to be like, hey, maybe we should do something about this idiot who's hurting people.
dan friesen
I'm also not certain that there was a secret parks emergency.
jordan holmes
No, I'm pretty sure there was a secret parks emergency.
dan friesen
Probably not.
jordan holmes
Yeah, Ron Swanson was there.
It was a whole thing.
dan friesen
Alex talks this entire segment about how great it's going to be to go swim.
And he's not wrong.
I love swimming, too.
But what makes it really funny is that we end up in this very familiar territory.
alex jones
Let me do this.
unidentified
Let me do this.
alex jones
I'm ready to cover this, but I've got like four stacks.
I've got to get lined up during the break to make sure I hit every piece of this.
It all ties together.
Just today's news is, again, a painting, a seismic chart, a gestalt of what's going on, and it's just unbelievable.
Separately, you don't just need the products we sell because it funds this operation.
dan friesen
It's so amazing.
He wastes all this time talking about how we're going to go swimming and it's going to be great.
And then he's like, well, I can't get to the news.
I got to get that in order.
And then he punts on covering anything in order to do a protracted plug.
This show is so stupid.
jordan holmes
Everything is so petty.
Everything is so petty.
All of their grievances are so stupid and pathetic.
dan friesen
Yeah, and that's really what I'm talking about with Steve, is he elevates things to a level of international espionage.
jordan holmes
He's fucking Jack Ryan, Dan.
dan friesen
Even if it's not real and not true, it feels bigger.
jordan holmes
I'm going swimming.
It's going to be a great weekend.
I want Melania to be queen of earth.
dan friesen
And one of the things I think is really interesting is that you notice that this swimming at Barton Springs protest has certainly got way more legs to it than his...
I'm going to save everyone who's been wrongly convicted of DUI.
jordan holmes
That's true.
dan friesen
And it's because swimming's fun.
jordan holmes
Swimming is great.
dan friesen
Yeah.
jordan holmes
You don't have to go to the police office.
unidentified
Nope.
jordan holmes
Nobody writes stuff down.
dan friesen
There's no work involved.
jordan holmes
Nobody asks you questions.
It's sunny and nice outside.
dan friesen
You don't have to put in a lot of effort for someone else's behalf and their freedom.
jordan holmes
Their behalf is really sucky.
dan friesen
You go swim and you get a fucking sandwich.
jordan holmes
It's a great time.
unidentified
Sometimes you get heat exhaustion, though, but don't protect yourself.
Not him.
dan friesen
Someone else.
And you can just say, sorry.
jordan holmes
What a fucking monster.
dan friesen
So anyway, he's doing this plug.
And he can't remember...
That comes a little later when he can't remember a product name.
jordan holmes
Ooh, teasing.
dan friesen
But he's trying to sell some gut fusion.
But it's gone.
He doesn't have gut fusion.
jordan holmes
He doesn't have gut fusion.
dan friesen
No.
alex jones
Nobody bought it, so we discontinued it.
My God, gut fusion is incredible what it did for my life and my energy.
I mean, I was like I was 15 years old again when it came to the sex department.
dan friesen
Family show.
It's gut fusion.
jordan holmes
Gut fusion.
dan friesen
I took probiotics.
jordan holmes
Makes you fuck.
dan friesen
Took probiotics and man, it gave me boners like a teenager.
jordan holmes
Gut fusion makes you want to fuck.
dan friesen
Yeah.
jordan holmes
But it doesn't exist anymore.
dan friesen
Nope, because no one wanted it.
jordan holmes
But he wanted it.
He could just get his own secret gut fusion, right?
dan friesen
Maybe he does.
jordan holmes
Maybe he does.
dan friesen
Maybe he has his own supply.
jordan holmes
Maybe he's been doing too much.
dan friesen
I would describe how this plug ends as Alex being a goddamn mope.
jordan holmes
Okay.
unidentified
Okay.
dan friesen
This is sad.
alex jones
We have a lot of other big specials going as well, and I just didn't plug them properly.
Someone's not going to plug them, but we have the Everyday Essentials Specials.
What happens is I go crazy when I can't remember a product name because I'm teleprompter-free.
So I've got an OCD about it.
I used to have a photographic memory, but now I'm older, so I don't.
I'm sitting there trying to remember the name of our anti-parasite gut flush product that's beyond a probiotic, and it drives me insane.
It's not the name of it.
What is that?
It's not APEC PowerStack.
It's not Survival Shield.
It's not Oblificial.
It's not Survival Shield.
It's not Prosecutor.
It's not Krill Oil.
It's not Alexa Pure Breeze, for God's sake.
What is the name of that product?
None of them can tell me.
See how this is?
No one can tell me.
No one can tell me.
I won't be able to rest until I know the name of this product.
Good God.
dan friesen
You need a boss.
Alex needs somebody to like...
jordan holmes
I don't even know this product.
dan friesen
Alex needs a boss who can be like, you're on thin ice.
jordan holmes
Shape up.
dan friesen
Yeah.
jordan holmes
Shape up.
dan friesen
Look, I understand.
You know, you have a certain set of skills where you can ramble about things and people find it funny.
This doesn't fly, man.
You're putting on a show.
You can't do a minute of not remembering something and then being mad that no one's putting it in your earpiece.
jordan holmes
See, this is the type of place that should be taken over by a private equity fund and run into the ground.
They always...
Don't ruin good stuff.
Take this shit, throw all your debt in there, and then kill them off.
It's fine.
You do it all the time.
It's great.
dan friesen
Yeah.
So Alex comes back, does not remember the name of this product, but he does remember how he went to a smart growth conference in 1996.
jordan holmes
Sure.
alex jones
I remember one time I was at like a 2000, no, in 1996, they had a big smart growth conference in Austin.
And I was there for days.
I paid to go.
And they had all these big tech people.
And I'm like, but they're taking poor people's ranches and farms.
And you're abusing people.
And this is illegal.
And why would you want to hurt people?
And I remember they looked at me and the camera wasn't on.
They go, you idiot.
Of course we are.
There was a famous Dallas cowboy did that.
And he was just all satanic and into himself.
And he just brushed aside me.
White guy.
Like he was just, of course he is.
That's the attitude.
dan friesen
Convenient that that wasn't on camera, huh?
jordan holmes
Okay.
He was like, ah!
But we couldn't get it.
We ran out of film, man.
unidentified
We put film on those old 16mm.
dan friesen
Weird how...
unidentified
Sure.
dan friesen
We weren't filming.
jordan holmes
We can't catch them.
It's like Brigadoon.
You only catch one of those on video once every 500 years.
dan friesen
Sure.
One of the things that I want to really stress to you and to the listeners who don't make it their habit to listen to Alex's show on the regular.
One of the things that's really frustrating about his show is...
Most of it is extemporaneous bullshit.
jordan holmes
I mean, he does a lot of research.
dan friesen
No, a lot of it is him relying on fake research that he's done to yell.
For long stretches of time.
unidentified
Indeed.
dan friesen
About nothing.
jordan holmes
Yeah.
dan friesen
And then sometimes someone will pull up something on the screen that's like a headline that kind of works for him.
unidentified
Yeah.
dan friesen
And then he'll riff on that for a little while.
jordan holmes
Yeah, toss it in there.
dan friesen
Every now and then, he'll try to get to the news.
And when he does, it is just reading headlines.
jordan holmes
No context.
No context.
A little like...
A little clip, a little like, eh, that's stupid, and the next headline.
dan friesen
Basically.
And so this is a story about American Airlines.
They're going to trim back some cities, service to some cities.
And this is basically how he covers it.
alex jones
Let's keep going through these headlines.
American Airlines is dropping service to at least 15 cities CNN celebrates.
They say probably for good.
dan friesen
His analysis of it is non-existent outside of pretending that CNN is celebrating it.
jordan holmes
Yes.
Yeah.
dan friesen
Which I don't know how he's justifying that.
jordan holmes
I don't know why they would.
dan friesen
They're not.
jordan holmes
But why would they celebrate it?
dan friesen
Were they to celebrate it?
Well, there's an exclamation point in the headline.
jordan holmes
That's fair.
That's fair.
We got to be more cautious with our punctuation.
dan friesen
Why would they write an article about it if they weren't celebrating it?
But this is what I'm talking about.
This is how Alex covers news.
The assertion that CNN is celebrating this is completely unfounded, and it's just in order to make CNN look like they're cheering for...
jordan holmes
They're evil.
dan friesen
There's no analysis of the story.
What cities are these that are services being trimmed back for?
Why?
What is the explanation?
Is there an expectation that service will resume?
What are the issues that impact that?
jordan holmes
Oh, those are probably all in that story with that headline.
dan friesen
Right.
He didn't read it.
unidentified
Anyway, look, you know, I read some headlines.
jordan holmes
Yeah, that's true.
alex jones
And I've got all these other articles that are here in my stack that deal with all this.
And I'll be honest with you, I thought that was my COVID stack.
It's not even my COVID stack.
I've got a COVID stack.
That was like a stack that had some COVID in it.
It's the most insane garbage you've ever seen.
And I'm going to find...
Oh, here's the COVID stack.
Excuse me.
Now I have the COVID stack.
Excuse me.
We're going to come back and hit that COVID stack and we have a guest here in studio.
Separately, I was having one of those little nervous fits earlier because I couldn't remember the name of that product.
It's got free shipping on it and it's still 50% off.
Living Defense.
Ah!
dan friesen
So now it's time to plug it in because I remembered the name.
jordan holmes
Okay.
dan friesen
That is almost exactly a mirror of what happened earlier.
I'm just saying, oh, we'll get to this other news and then plug in.
jordan holmes
I just...
I just don't understand why he calls them stacks when you could just call them your 8-pack power stack.
dan friesen
Of stories.
jordan holmes
Every time.
unidentified
Yeah.
jordan holmes
That's simple.
dan friesen
Branding.
jordan holmes
Yeah, totally.
dan friesen
Always be selling.
jordan holmes
Subliminal marketing.
Always.
This is why he's not going to make it.
dan friesen
He doesn't come back and get into his COVID stack.
jordan holmes
I'm shocked by that.
dan friesen
Instead, he does what I've needed him to do this whole time.
jordan holmes
Get into the Millie.
dan friesen
Exactly.
jordan holmes
Okay.
alex jones
Let me bring up something here that I owe the listeners.
I didn't tell Millie Weaver yesterday that I was no longer going to work with her after working with her for eight years because of the film Shadowgate.
unidentified
Good to know.
jordan holmes
It just so happened to occur simultaneously with the release of the film Shadowgate.
dan friesen
I mean, I think that what Alex is trying to say, he does end up fleshing out.
It is because of the movie, but it's not like the content of the movie.
jordan holmes
Sure, sure, sure, sure.
dan friesen
So much as it is, she's hanging out with weirdos.
jordan holmes
Okay.
alex jones
When the Shadowgate film got released, I didn't know what was in it.
And then someone they sent over here to the office was saying things that I knew were patently not true.
And when we brought up the things weren't true, what they said on air, about Roger Stone working with General Jones and all this stuff.
I tried to respond to them, and they just acted like I was crazy.
So then I saw the Internet researching the people they're involved in, and I was so blown away by it that I was like, this is so bad that if I talk about this, the media is going to attack me for it.
But if I don't talk about it, I'm covering something up, and so I'm going to talk about it.
dan friesen
I heard that, and I was like...
You listened to our episode.
I was gonna say, who on the internet is investigating this?
jordan holmes
Who is fucking investigating Patrick Berge?
Who around here is like, let's get to the bottom of the berg?
What's going on?
dan friesen
It turns out it's Caitlin Bennett.
jordan holmes
Oh, of course.
dan friesen
Has taken aim at her former friend.
jordan holmes
Sure, sure.
dan friesen
Caitlin, Millie Weaver, excuse me.
The two of them are in a death battle now.
And who cares?
But apparently she's dug up some dirt on Tori and Patrick Berge.
And that's what Alex was talking about.
But I got kind of excited.
They're like, hey, it seems like it might be about us.
No, it's not.
jordan holmes
Of course.
dan friesen
Anyway, it turns out that Alex doesn't like Millie's new friends.
jordan holmes
Of course.
alex jones
I don't know what Millie's into.
I want to think she's a good person.
But the people she's involved with are some serious people.
I'll leave it at that.
They've been, like, sending us Punisher images on Twitter.
Like, that threatens us.
Like, people threaten us.
We get scared or whatever.
You know what the Punisher does?
Okay, great.
So I'll probably go further now because of that, because you did that.
That's a rule I have.
dan friesen
Oh, okay.
jordan holmes
Okay, if you send him a Punisher logo, then he goes further.
That's a rule.
That's a hard and fast rule.
dan friesen
Well, it's not, because back when he used to be on Twitter, I got really drunk, and I direct messaged the Infowars account, because their DMs were open.
jordan holmes
I recall that.
dan friesen
I DMed them a GIF of Bray Wyatt that said, We're here.
I, a couple times early on, got fairly drunk and poked.
But it was very seldom and no response.
But again, that wasn't a Punisher logo.
It wasn't specifically threatened.
jordan holmes
They're not wrestling fans.
dan friesen
No, but I think it's really interesting to see Alex is expressing that...
I'm going at you now, Tori, Patrick Berge.
I'm coming for you.
jordan holmes
Totally.
With hard-hitting facts.
dan friesen
So I'm excited to see if that continues.
I don't think it will.
No.
Because Alex is kind of like, I'm going to say my piece, and then I'm done with it.
alex jones
If you go to band.video, I'm not going to cover this ever again, I'm not going to respond to it.
The full Shadowgate film now has a write-up that I wrote this morning, and then links to what Caitlin Bennett put out.
Separately from our own research that we found, and best of our own belief, is accurate about the people that are involved.
So we're not decoupling because of her getting arrested for reportedly a scuff-up and a broken phone with her mom.
And it's not because of the film Shadowgate.
It's because once the film came out, people are like, do you know who these people are?
And then separately they were attacking us at the same time.
So I went and looked, and I...
Had it checked by experts, and it was just like, are you kidding me?
But this is what attaches itself to Q. This is what attaches itself to anybody that's successful.
Millie is successful.
She did well.
We get her total freedom.
dan friesen
So Alex is just basically being like, Millie got to a certain point of fame, and weirdos came out, like QAnon-type weirdos came out of nowhere.
She was incredulous.
She went along with them.
She didn't realize the sort of delicate nature of the grift we run here, and how these people will fuck everything up if you let them get too close, because they are actually dangerous.
jordan holmes
Alex is sitting here like, I hate that I have to be competent right now.
This is actually a smart move for me, and it pains me to do it.
dan friesen
Well, this is the lowest level of self-preservation.
This is protection.
This is like, these people...
Could be, like, legit dangerous.
jordan holmes
Right.
dan friesen
I don't know what they're gonna do.
They're gonna blow up our spot.
If we're associated too closely with them, you don't know what they're gonna do.
unidentified
No.
dan friesen
You can't do this.
unidentified
Yeah.
dan friesen
So, yeah.
I honestly am, like, good instincts, Alex.
jordan holmes
I do like that he did confirm my assertion that beating the shit out of your mom and getting arrested for it is not what will get you fired from Infowars.
unidentified
Hey!
dan friesen
Scuff up!
jordan holmes
Yeah.
That's what I thought.
That's what I was waiting for.
dan friesen
Yeah.
So in this last clip going out to break here, I mean, we have a couple more clips, but this is the last clip about Millie.
Alex bids her farewell.
jordan holmes
Okay.
dan friesen
This is it.
Goodbye, Millie.
alex jones
She did well.
We gave her total freedom, and I'm done.
In fact, on Monday, I'm going to take the Shadowgate film down and her channel because it's my side.
It's my operation, and I choose to not be associated with it.
And not even because of the film.
I just saw them making statements about, oh, he didn't fund our film.
It's our film.
So they're acting like they don't want it there.
You got it.
It'll be off the site Monday.
People that want it can go see it.
You can download it.
If they ask me today to take it down, I'll take it down right now, too.
So I'm done.
I'll never talk about Millie Weaver again.
And I'm just saying, I don't believe a word comes out of any of their mouths.
And that's it.
I mean, you couldn't write the script for this stuff.
And I'm just, all I have is the truth, so I've done it here.
So bon voyage, Millie!
Have fun with those folks you're working with.
I'm sure they'll treat you real good.
dan friesen
Now, Jordan, this is really fascinating because this is history.
Millie Weaver is officially the first person to be banned from band.video.
unidentified
Yep!
My God.
dan friesen
Oh, Alex!
Isn't this censorship?
jordan holmes
My God.
Alex.
Alex.
Are you saying that because your website is a private enterprise, you have the ability to remove anyone who you do not particularly like from your website?
dan friesen
She might not want her stuff posted there.
And if that's, you know, obviously that's her right.
jordan holmes
Then why would he say Monday?
Well, it takes a whole weekend for us to get the technology down to remove this from our page.
dan friesen
You gotta drive a little traffic while you can.
jordan holmes
And that's kind of what I'm thinking, yeah.
dan friesen
So goodbye, Millie.
jordan holmes
Oh, man.
dan friesen
It's been fun.
jordan holmes
Listen, I don't delight in her downfall at all.
But I will tell you right now, I knew this was coming from the way that she was behaving earlier, and I think she deserves what she's gonna get out of it.
I don't delight in it.
dan friesen
Now.
This is trouble for Alex, because they have been promoting for the last month that she has the Sunrise Movement's entire server.
jordan holmes
And now we don't believe anything that she says.
dan friesen
Apparently not.
jordan holmes
Uh-oh.
dan friesen
She has, like, the biggest scoop that she's been planning to break, and now Shadowgate screwed it up.
jordan holmes
Boy.
dan friesen
Shadowgate.
The gate of gates.
jordan holmes
It turned out to be a pretty significant gate.
It was more of a gate than I expected it to be.
It turned out the...
Real Shadowgate was Millie Weaver getting fired.
dan friesen
Boy, it's just, what a week.
unidentified
Yeah.
dan friesen
What a week.
jordan holmes
That's good stuff.
dan friesen
So anyway, I went to college.
jordan holmes
Well, there was your first mistake.
dan friesen
Totally.
I should have used the Alex Jones method.
jordan holmes
Yes.
alex jones
I had like 15, 20 color encyclopedias by the time I was about 10. And it was so incredible hearing about this siege in the Chinese or the Greeks.
Or the Russians or the British Navy.
unidentified
I got a whole series about 11 on the occult.
alex jones
Time-life books, like 10 volumes.
dan friesen
We'll get back to this here in a second, but I love the idea that he has 10 volumes about the occult at 11, and then was a Satanist at 18 or so.
Shouldn't you have known about this?
jordan holmes
It's the forbidden fruit that makes you so...
dan friesen
Doesn't make sense.
Timeline's screwy.
alex jones
I was reading about the whole history of the occult.
It was pretty accurate too today, you know, to be an expert on it.
jordan holmes
Was it?
alex jones
And if you go to college and try to get an education on something today, you don't get an education on anything.
It's all an education how to fight with each other and how different ideas are weird and you can only have this school of thought.
You're being taught to be a slave.
jordan holmes
How would you know?
alex jones
I got a classical education.
jordan holmes
No, you didn't.
alex jones
My parents would buy me any book I wanted.
dan friesen
So, I mean, everyone's really stupid because they go to college when they could just read encyclopedias as a child and, hey, learn about the occult and stuff.
jordan holmes
I understand that kind of thought.
dan friesen
That's higher education.
jordan holmes
I get it.
dan friesen
Right.
jordan holmes
I get it.
You think you can find it.
You know, there's the impulse.
People are self-taught.
Many people who have done amazing things are self-taught.
dan friesen
Yep.
jordan holmes
Alex Jones.
None of those people were like, I read some Time Life books, now I'm done.
That was not how self-teaching works.
dan friesen
Generally not.
And another thing that I would say is that I never think that college is mandatory.
I don't think that at all.
I think that there are a lot of incredibly intelligent, very high-functioning, brilliant people.
jordan holmes
I'm not one of them.
dan friesen
But there are them.
They exist.
jordan holmes
They are there, yes.
dan friesen
Who did not go to college, but at the same time, I will never hear somebody like Alex, who didn't go to college, say things like, all they do is teach you that ideas are weird, and not be offended by that.
There is a value.
To higher education.
jordan holmes
Right.
dan friesen
And even if it's not essential for everybody and maybe even not for a lot of people, it is still very valuable.
jordan holmes
One thing I feel like he has no concept of is the fundamental flaw in if your education consists of your parents buying you any book you want, there is an issue there.
Many of the things that I learned a lot from were books that I did not want.
dan friesen
True.
jordan holmes
I do not want those.
That is why you have to go somewhere where somebody enforces rules to make you read that shit.
dan friesen
Yeah.
jordan holmes
Otherwise, you're self-selecting for your own bullshit.
dan friesen
Yeah, that's a very good point.
There are tons and tons of things in college that I learned begrudgingly.
unidentified
Yes, exactly.
dan friesen
A lot of literature that actually turned out to be some of the most rewarding stuff was things that I'm like, I'm not going to read this bullshit.
jordan holmes
Totally.
Yeah, I had to read Anna Karenina, and I'm looking at it, and I'm reading the first two chapters just going, how can I escape this book?
It's a great book!
dan friesen
Well, you can escape through the back door, which is the end of it.
jordan holmes
Exactly.
dan friesen
Finish it.
Anyway, Alex hasn't read a book in years.
Or at least a political book.
jordan holmes
Sure.
alex jones
But you know I haven't read a book.
On geopolitics in years.
I read hundreds and hundreds and hundreds.
And I...
Hundreds and hundreds a year.
I used to stay until 2, 3 in the morning.
Most nights, because I had to read this book.
I had to read this book.
I have to read every page of Curl and Quigley's Strategy and Hope.
unidentified
Which you only finished 800 of.
That's just a straight-up lie.
dan friesen
Based on Alex's own words, that's a straight-up lie.
Trying to present this image.
Oh, I had to burn the midnight oil to read every page of Carol Quigley's book.
I skimmed it.
jordan holmes
Such a narcissistic bullshit.
Not only have I read a lot of books, I've read more books than you can comprehend.
Hundreds of books.
I'm reading two books a day.
I'm Wilt Chamberlain-ing books.
That's what's happening.
dan friesen
You know how many potential universes there are?
That's how many books I read a day.
jordan holmes
Okay.
dan friesen
So Alex has a guest here on the 21st.
It's Deanna Lorraine again.
It looks like maybe she's doing a job interview to replace Millie.
jordan holmes
Now, let me ask you a question.
If she were on Skype, how do you think this interview would go?
dan friesen
Short!
But she is in studio, and who cares?
I don't really care.
jordan holmes
Of course, no.
dan friesen
But Alex tells her a little story that I find interesting.
Alex, there's a lot of timeline issues.
alex jones
This morning, I got up at about 4 a.m.
I went and about 6.30 did a hike.
And literally, the first few times it happened, I thought, okay, I'm being paranoid.
These guys would be jogging on these paths that were like 15 feet wide, 10 feet wide.
They'd jog towards me when they're wearing a mask.
Like, you know, kind of aggressive.
unidentified
Right.
alex jones
Because they would like always adjust it when they ran by me.
It's the same weird neurotic tics.
dan friesen
So, like, the thing that I just get fascinated by is imagining that Alex can't lie, and he's not making things up.
So then, a couple days before this, he got T-boned before coming into the show, had a mild concussion, still came in, did the show.
jordan holmes
Of course.
dan friesen
This morning, he wakes up really early, sees a trailer for something, throws up in the stairwell, passes out for half an hour on the floor, and then goes jogging.
unidentified
Well, you still gotta get your exercise.
jordan holmes
You still gotta get your exercise in.
unidentified
I don't know.
jordan holmes
You know, it's a dedication to maintaining your body.
His body is a temple, Dan.
dan friesen
It certainly is.
It certainly is.
I find this difficult to believe.
Like, yeah, I went on this long hike where people with masks kept coming up to me right after I threw up in my stairwell and passed out on the floor.
jordan holmes
That is as much bullshit as Leo Zagami committing 9-11.
dan friesen
And being Jesus.
jordan holmes
Well, he is Jesus.
dan friesen
Which we often forget.
jordan holmes
That is not bullshit.
dan friesen
He is the true Jesus.
So, I got some closure here.
At least in as much as now we know that Alex has said goodbye to Millie.
jordan holmes
Clean break.
dan friesen
And I appreciate that.
So, I guess we're done with the Shadowgate saga now.
I feel complete.
We talked about the actual movie.
We talked about Alex's attempt to use it.
It going bad.
And then on Friday, our show on Friday, we talked about the weird...
Why aren't you talking about this at all?
jordan holmes
This is one of the most thorough examinations of something that means nothing.
You know?
Like, none of this...
The movie makes no sense.
It's stupid bullshit.
Their relationship...
As ridiculous as it was, is only less ridiculous now?
dan friesen
It was apparently based on almost nothing.
It was a fragile, much like life.
jordan holmes
No kidding.
dan friesen
A fragile relationship.
jordan holmes
I don't think they were close at all now.
dan friesen
Probably not.
But we're done with it.
And now...
I don't know.
I have a hankering to time travel.
I might be going in the past for Wednesday.
jordan holmes
I think that's a good idea.
dan friesen
I feel like now that we have done this, this Shadowgate kind of feels like a new chapter has opened up.
I feel like Alex is like, obviously we can't leave the present day alone because we're coming up to an election.
jordan holmes
Shit's getting wild.
dan friesen
But it's also incredibly boring.
So I feel like...
Something that I may do is...
One of the things about doing this show is you learn along the way.
And one of the things that I've learned over the course of doing this show is that whenever we set out to do investigations and time travel and stuff, we've been flawed because we have a question that we want to answer.
And we're looking for the answer to that question.
And I think that's a bad way to go about it.
So I'm thinking maybe we time travel and just see what happens.
jordan holmes
Maybe we pick a random day and see if there are more locks.
dan friesen
I don't know about random day, but I think that maybe we go around when something happened, and instead of looking for, like, when did Alex decide to support Trump, instead we're just like...
Here is a time in history.
jordan holmes
Right.
dan friesen
Let's see what happens.
jordan holmes
Let's see if we can get a Somali Pirates out of this one.
dan friesen
Yeah, just open-ended.
jordan holmes
Yeah, yeah, yeah.
dan friesen
So I might be doing some time traveling.
unidentified
Yeah.
dan friesen
Letting Alex...
Look, I don't want to let him control my reality.
jordan holmes
Totally, totally.
dan friesen
And as we only focus on the present day, it really is just at his whim.
jordan holmes
Yeah.
dan friesen
And when his whim is boring, it hurts me personally.
unidentified
Yeah.
dan friesen
So I'm not going to stand for it anymore.
I'm going to assert my independence and say, go fuck yourself, Alex.
You can throw up in your stairwell and go take a hike.
I don't give a shit.
I like it.
jordan holmes
Yeah, this has felt like a very complete saga.
I know it includes a documentary, but it also feels exactly like a week when we do...
When we did the other documentary.
The whole week of episodes there, it has a beginning, middle, and end.
And now we move on to something different.
dan friesen
We have to to survive.
Not totally different, and obviously I'll still keep an eye on the present day.
The only thing that I regret is I wish it could have been contained within one week, as opposed to Monday, Wednesday, Friday, Monday.
I feel like there's an asymmetry to that that I don't like.
I agree.
jordan holmes
It's your fault.
dan friesen
But otherwise, I do feel like the story's been told.
jordan holmes
Yeah, 100%.
dan friesen
You know?
Documentary, fallout from documentary, Millie is now fired.
jordan holmes
It really is just a complete...
It's a season, yeah.
It's a season of the show in and of itself.
It's like a miniseries.
dan friesen
And the other thing that's really motivating me to feel like...
Alright.
jordan holmes
Take back the night.
dan friesen
Whatever, Alex.
Is that there are these things like Bannon getting arrested, the Senate Intelligence Report coming out, Roger dropping his appeal.
There are these things that are, like, big.
And Alex is just kind of hand-waving away.
I have secret sources in New York that say that Bannon's arrest is to embarrass Trump.
jordan holmes
I don't do secret sources.
Ever.
I don't get in with that stuff.
dan friesen
Roger's appeal is going to completely change the ballgame and expose the globalists.
unidentified
Well, you know, you gotta think about it.
He had to drop the appeal because he could never get a fair trial to begin with.
jordan holmes
Exactly.
Why would you waste your time fighting the good fight?
That's never done anybody any good.
dan friesen
So we'll see where we go.
But before we end today, Jordan, let's take a little time to hear from the people.
jordan holmes
Let's go to the voicemail, then.
unidentified
Hey, Dan and Jordan.
Policy Wong, Carl in Pennsylvania here.
Just wanted to reach out and say thanks for all you do.
The show definitely helped me because I listened to Alex unironically when I was but a young lad.
And here we are now in the present.
None of his predictions have come true.
Nothing he's ever said has come true.
So I'm starting to think young me was kind of stupid.
And just a remark for Jordan.
I am a struggling Red Sox fan right now.
So if you could pour one out for me or maybe mail me a hammer with which I can bash my teeth in while watching the Red Sox, that would be great.
Thanks again for all you do.
Go Sox.
dan friesen
Thanks, Carl!
jordan holmes
Oh boy, that's tough.
dan friesen
What do you got on the Sox?
jordan holmes
Oh, they're playing out Major League.
It's almost like they're trying to lose as much as possible in order to sell the team.
And move it out of Boston for some reason.
dan friesen
That's gotta be rough.
jordan holmes
We need a baseball team in Paris.
So we're moving the Red Sox over there.
We'll call it the French Monster.
That's what we'll do.
dan friesen
If there's a season to throw, it might be this one.
jordan holmes
This is a great season to throw.
But they were going to throw it anyways.
They traded away Mookie Betts, who is universally the second best player in baseball.
And Big Papi is gone.
dan friesen
The spirit of Boston.
jordan holmes
He's not the spirit of Boston.
He got hurt.
He got shot.
dan friesen
What?
jordan holmes
Yeah, well, this was a few years ago.
dan friesen
I didn't hear about this.
unidentified
Yeah, yeah, yeah.
jordan holmes
He shot or stabbed.
One of those.
dan friesen
That's terrible.
jordan holmes
Yeah, it really sucks.
dan friesen
Also, Carl, don't beat yourself up too much about like an Alex when you were younger.
jordan holmes
No, no, no, not at all.
dan friesen
It's very easy to...
And I won't lie, I enjoyed him unironically for a period.
Not necessarily believing everything, but I certainly didn't have the same critical stance that I do now when I was younger and got high a lot.
So you've got to let yourself go on that.
That's not a judgment of yourself.
unidentified
Yo, Cat Guys, it's Isaiah, calling out from Oregon.
Just wanted to say I really missed the Project Camelot episode, hearing about the spider leadership.
I feel you.
Really just made my day.
And, yeah, that was all.
Have a great day.
dan friesen
Me too, man.
jordan holmes
Me too.
unidentified
No kidding.
jordan holmes
Right?
Wednesday would be our normal, like, we're fucking Project Camelot-ing it.
dan friesen
You know what, though?
I miss more than Project Camelot is I miss Project Camelot being innocent.
jordan holmes
Yeah.
dan friesen
In a sense.
I miss it being just fun.
Goofy nonsense.
jordan holmes
The first time we meet Captain Mark Richards is just the only time you can really meet Captain Mark Richards.
dan friesen
Well, I mean...
jordan holmes
After that, it's all downhill.
dan friesen
Well, even that is a murderer, so it's not that innocent.
jordan holmes
Well, yeah, that's fair.
That's fair.
dan friesen
But there was a feeling of purity to the theories about space and aliens.
jordan holmes
You thought for a second...
These are just space weirdos.
dan friesen
Yeah.
jordan holmes
You know, they're people who are people.
They're just space weirdo people, and that's great!
I love space weirdos!
They love being people!
And then you're like, oh, they hate the Jews.
dan friesen
God damn it!
Yeah, once sort of like, oh no, this is...
It made it a lot less fun.
jordan holmes
So less fun.
dan friesen
I would like to find something else that scratches that itch.
jordan holmes
Yeah, me too.
dan friesen
But it's very difficult.
But I do miss it as well.
Hopefully we'll find something.
unidentified
Hey, Dan and Jordan.
This is...
I've been listening to your show for two years since I've been an undergrad in college and I have actually used a lot of dance research in a couple of my undergrad papers and I am moving on to a doctorate in medical sociology and I'm really hoping to use some of y 'all's research together to research That's
Stuff like that.
jordan holmes
That's really great.
unidentified
I listen to it just about every day.
I listen to a rerun just about every day.
jordan holmes
Don't do that!
unidentified
My mom turned me on to you guys, and she's also a policy wonk.
And she'll be happy to hear this on your messages.
Thanks for everything.
And you are appreciated here in Alabama in all states.
Thanks.
dan friesen
Hey, Esme.
Thank you so much.
Thank you so much.
And shout out to your mom.
jordan holmes
Yeah, totally.
dan friesen
Shout out to Alabama.
jordan holmes
I like intergenerational enjoyment.
dan friesen
Yeah, for sure.
jordan holmes
There's not a lot of stuff that my parents and I can enjoy together.
Obviously, it definitely wouldn't be this podcast.
dan friesen
No, I've heard that from a number of people, and I do think that's really cool.
And I mean, I guess a lot of my ideas about parents are people who are very put off by obscenity.
So that kind of always feels like it's an impossibility, but not everybody has the same sensibilities.
jordan holmes
One of my parents have said something along the lines of, you know, I listen to your podcast.
It's always come with the very clear tonal caveat of like...
For a tiny bit.
I got through about 10 minutes and I was like, this isn't for me.
dan friesen
I made it to the first yell.
jordan holmes
Yeah!
This isn't for me.
dan friesen
That's real cool, Esme.
I wish you the best with your post-graduate studies.
jordan holmes
We support that 100%.
dan friesen
Not using our dumbasses for research, but we do support your path of study.
jordan holmes
Nobody's ever like, I used one of Jordan's jokes in my PhD.
dan friesen
Certainly not.
unidentified
Hey, check out this Chewbacca impression.
dan friesen
Not a bad Chewbacca impression.
unidentified
That's not terrible.
jordan holmes
I have checked it out.
dan friesen
That was the whole call.
jordan holmes
I appreciate that.
dan friesen
I like that.
unidentified
Hey guys, this is Ben.
I just wanted to call and say thank you for what you guys do.
I was listening to the recent episode where you played the voicemail.
I'm a teacher from the rural area.
I, too, am from a rural area, and I work in a very blue-collar field, and the information you guys give me is invaluable for doing what I've got, turning down the heat, so when they start getting close to Alex C. fringe stuff, I can just go, well, did you know that that's based on this and stuff like that?
I just wanted to call and say I really appreciate you guys.
I would really like it if you guys would shout out the Discord and the Reddit, because we have a really good community.
It's very wholesome.
It's one of the best ones I've been involved with.
Not to go on for too long.
I wanted to say thank you.
Love you guys.
Bye.
dan friesen
So I try to err on the side of not playing messages that are strictly just like thank you, you're awesome.
jordan holmes
Sure, sure, sure.
dan friesen
But I think that this call brings up a couple of really salient things to discuss.
Yeah, good things to point out.
One is that that's so awesome that de-escalation is something that is so possible for people and that we could be of any help.
100%.
Because that really is probably the best path in terms of dealing with people who are going down these roads.
Some shaming, I don't know if that's productive, but cooling the temperature a little bit, the way you put it, is so essential.
And then also I wanted to allow the shout-out for the Reddit and the Discord.
I don't know a whole lot about the Discord.
I know that some people run it and they have a good time chatting and stuff.
I don't know where it is.
unidentified
I don't know how to find it.
jordan holmes
I don't know anything about Discord.
dan friesen
I don't know anything about it.
jordan holmes
I understand that I'm old.
dan friesen
I get it.
jordan holmes
I get it.
I don't understand you're young.
I'm not on TikTok.
unidentified
I get it, man.
dan friesen
But there is also a knowledge fight Reddit board that people chat around and have conversations about stuff and what have you.
So check those out.
jordan holmes
I am always amazed at how we are very lucky to have a group of people who find each other through us.
You know, like everything that I hear from people who listen to the show about our groups is like, these are the nicest people that are like, we are lucky to do that.
dan friesen
Oh, very much.
unidentified
Yeah.
jordan holmes
You know what I'm saying?
dan friesen
I'm just glad that it's not all infighting.
Everybody hating each other.
That would be a bummer.
Alright, one last message here, Jordan.
unidentified
I just wanted to let you know that I do, in fact, have the inside scoop that Deanna Lorraine is a fascist.
Do you know how I know?
Because she pronounced the Australian city Melbourne.
Not the way it's actually pronounced, which is Melbourne.
Or if you are from there, you might say Melbourne.
Only a true fascist would make that mistake, so...
Case closed.
Anyway, love your guys' work.
I want to send you guys some novelty coffee keep cups.
So comment as you see fit, if that's something you'd like.
Forgive my voices.
Have a good one.
dan friesen
Bye.
jordan holmes
That wasn't bad.
That wasn't a bad Lionel.
dan friesen
No, that wasn't a bad Lionel.
jordan holmes
No trace of an Australian accent in that, Lionel.
Straight up Lionel.
unidentified
And the pronunciation of Melbourne was spectacular.
dan friesen
Thank you so much for the call.
jordan holmes
It turns out I was a fascist until I was 27, whenever somebody pointed out that it's Melbourne.
I'd only ever read it, and then somebody was like, you stupid bastard.
dan friesen
I have that experience about three times a week.
jordan holmes
With different names.
dan friesen
Kawaka is one of them.
jordan holmes
Yeah, well, you're definitely a fascist for that.
dan friesen
Yeah, it's a very nice offer that you make, and if you'd like to send something, just go ahead and send an email to knowledgefight at gmail.com, and we can set that up.
unidentified
Yes.
dan friesen
But thank you for the calls, everybody!
We'll be back on Wednesday.
jordan holmes
Indeed.
dan friesen
But until then, Jordan, we have a website.
jordan holmes
We do have a website.
It's knowledgefight.com.
dan friesen
Yep, we're also on Twitter.
jordan holmes
We are on Twitter.
It's at knowledge underscore fight and I go to bed Jordan.
dan friesen
Yep, we're on Facebook.
jordan holmes
We are on Facebook and also there's a Discord and a Reddit community.
And if you would like to download the show, go to iTunes, leave a review and all of that stuff.
And if you could, please find a local charity or bail fund in your area to help out with people fighting the good fight.
dan friesen
Absolutely.
We'll be back.
But until then, I'm Neo.
I'm Leo.
I'm DZX Clark.
I'm Daryl Rundus.
I am the Gate of Gates.
alex jones
Andy in Kansas.
You're on the air.
Thanks for holding.
unidentified
Hello, Alex.
I'm a first-time caller.
I'm a huge fan.
jordan holmes
I love your work.
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