Today, Dan and Jordan take an overdue break from the present day of the Alex Jones Show. In this installment, the gents discuss a recent interview that Sweary Kerry released with an alleged super soldier to see what's going on in a very similar but much more creative world of conspiracy.
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I'm sick of them posing as if they're the good guys saying we are the bad guys. | |
| Knowledge fight. | ||
| Dan and Jordan. | ||
| knowledge fight. | ||
| Need, need money. | ||
| Andy in Kansas. | ||
| Andy in Kansas. | ||
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Stop it. | |
| Andy in Kansas. | ||
| Andy in Kansas. | ||
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It's time to pray. | |
| Andy in Kansas, you're on the air. | ||
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Thanks for holding. | |
| Hello, Alex. | ||
| I'm the first time caller in the future. | ||
| I love you. | ||
| Hey everybody, welcome back to Knowledge Fight, I'm Dan. | ||
| We're a couple dudes who like to sit around, drink novelty beverages, and talk a little bit about Alex Jones. | ||
| Oh, indeed we are, Dan. | ||
| Jordan. | ||
| Jordan. | ||
| Quick question. | ||
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What? | |
| What's your bright spot today? | ||
| Why don't you go first? | ||
| I gotta think for a minute. | ||
| My bright spot... | ||
| Because otherwise it's just a food thing. | ||
| Yeah, yeah. | ||
| Well, my bright spot is card games. | ||
| My partner and I, we've run out of playing our board games. | ||
| Very, very boring. | ||
| So now it's gone on to cards. | ||
| So now it's gone on to cards. | ||
| We're playing spades. | ||
| We're playing heads-up poker. | ||
| We played a little heads-up poker. | ||
| That's very boring. | ||
| It is more fun whenever you take crazy, insane risks and have no interest in money. | ||
| Sure. | ||
| And it's more fun when there's more than... | ||
| Two people when you're playing a poker game. | ||
| Yeah, for sure. | ||
| Back when me and Nikki Gifts used to live together, we had a running tally board of heads-up poker games because we were like, okay, we'll see whoever comes out ahead and that person has to pay. | ||
| It was just so boring. | ||
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Yeah, yeah, yeah. | |
| It was fun because we would just yell at each other and stuff. | ||
| Yeah, yeah, yeah. | ||
| It's hard to play card games between two people sometimes. | ||
| It can be. | ||
| It can be. | ||
| But, you know, you remove a lot of the things and you shorten up the game. | ||
| You know, like you play spades and you get rid of everything below a 10 and you got a fast-paced game for two people. | ||
| I'm telling you, it's great. | ||
| Have you gotten to the point where you guys are throwing cards into a hat? | ||
| Not yet, but close. | ||
| Real close. | ||
| We'll check in next week. | ||
| I hope I get good at it. | ||
| So I guess for me, my bright spot, I guess I'm just going to go with the food one. | ||
| I tried these cookies called Crispy. | ||
| Okay. | ||
| And they're like rolled up little mini crepes. | ||
| Oh yeah, I've seen those. | ||
| Are they good? | ||
| So good. | ||
| So good. | ||
| Maybe my favorite thing ever. | ||
| Maybe your favorite thing ever. | ||
| They're very good. | ||
| They're very tasty. | ||
| Not too... | ||
| They're small. | ||
| So you don't end up eating too many of them unless you... | ||
| Can't stop and you just eat a whole box of them. | ||
| Which is something I do. | ||
| It's possible to do that, but if you can restrain yourself, it's a really good little cookie thing that's not too unhealthy. | ||
| Yeah, I think they're fantastic. | ||
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Nice! | |
| I like it. | ||
| And even if they weren't small and reasonably acceptable, if you're trying to eat healthier, they're still fantastic. | ||
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They're really good. | |
| Oh, good. | ||
| Oh, okay. | ||
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Great. | |
| I'm glad you offered me one. | ||
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After the show. | |
| After the show. | ||
| I've got one with your name on it. | ||
| I wish that I had one that wasn't food-based, but oh well. | ||
| That's where we're at. | ||
| So, Jordan, today we've got an interesting episode to go over, but before we do that, we've got to take a moment to say thank you to some folks who have signed up and are supporting the show and check in with the Year of the Seltzer. | ||
| So, first, Mick. | ||
| Thank you so much. | ||
| You are now a policy wonk. | ||
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I'm a policy wonk. | |
| Thanks, Mick. | ||
| Thank you, Mick. | ||
| Next, Ryan. | ||
| Thank you so much. | ||
| You are now a policy wonk. | ||
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I'm a policy wonk. | |
| Thank you, Ryan. | ||
| Thank you, Ryan. | ||
| Next, Red Alert Weetzie. | ||
| Thank you so much. | ||
| You are now a policy wonk. | ||
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I'm a policy wonk. | |
| Thank you, Red Alert Weetzie. | ||
| Thank you. | ||
| Next, Benjamin. | ||
| Thank you so much. | ||
| You are now a policy wonk. | ||
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I'm a policy wonk. | |
| Thanks, Benjamin. | ||
| Thanks, Benjamin. | ||
| Next, John. | ||
| John, thank you so much. | ||
| You're now a policy wonk. | ||
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I'm a policy wonk. | |
| Thank you, John. | ||
| That's John without an H, by the way. | ||
| John without an H, okay. | ||
| All right. | ||
| Next, Melinda. | ||
| Thank you so much. | ||
| You're now a policy wonk. | ||
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I'm a policy wonk. | |
| Thanks, Melinda. | ||
| Thank you, Melinda. | ||
| Next, Zachary. | ||
| Thank you so much. | ||
| You're now a policy wonk. | ||
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I'm a policy wonk. | |
| Thank you, Zachary. | ||
| Is that Zach with an H or without? | ||
| With. | ||
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Oh. | |
| And a Y. Dangerous. | ||
| Not an IE. | ||
| Is that ever an IE? | ||
| I'm not sure. | ||
| I don't think so. | ||
| I don't know. | ||
| And finally, I'd like to say thank you to a couple people who donated on Elevated Level, and we appreciate that very much. | ||
| So, first of all, Matthias. | ||
| Thank you so much. | ||
| You are now a technocrat. | ||
| And Wyatt H., thank you so much. | ||
| You are now a technocrat. | ||
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I'm a policy wonk. | |
| Crikey, mate. | ||
| That's fantastic. | ||
| Have yourself a brew. | ||
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How's your 401k doing, bro? | |
| We got to go full tilt boogie on this, Watson. | ||
| All right. | ||
| Let's just get down to business. | ||
| We ain't making that money off that heroin. | ||
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Why are you pimps so good? | |
| My neck is freakishly large. | ||
| I declare in full. | ||
| Infowar on you. | ||
| Thank you so much, Matthias. | ||
| And thank you so much, Wyatt H. Yes, thank you very much. | ||
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| That would be wonderful as well. | ||
| We would appreciate either very much. | ||
| Indeed. | ||
| So, Jordan, checking in on the Year of the Seltzer, we're ending week three, almost a week ahead. | ||
| Hard to believe that we're already week three into this. | ||
| This incredibly exciting new segment on our show. | ||
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42 seltzers down at the end of week three. | |
| To get to 500, we're supposed to be at about 10 a week. | ||
| We are over 10 ahead at this point. | ||
| All right. | ||
| Doing good. | ||
| Since we last spoke, I've been trying to go through the Waterloo seltzers. | ||
| Waterloo, wouldn't drink that if I wanted. | ||
| Is that because you're a Rockefeller? | ||
| Is that what's going on there? | ||
| No, it's because I'm a member of ABBA. | ||
| Ah, well, that'll happen. | ||
| Little known fact, I was in ABBA. | ||
| I want to say that Waterloo is a rangy beast of seltzer varieties. | ||
| I've had a number of them. | ||
| Is that your new cup of coffee? | ||
| It's a rangy beast. | ||
| It's a rangy beast. | ||
| Watermelon variety coming in at 67. That's not bad. | ||
| Pretty good. | ||
| A lot of them are in that sort of 60s range. | ||
| Black cherry. | ||
| Whoa, Nelly! | ||
| Not good or really good? | ||
| So bad. | ||
| So bad. | ||
| Coming in at a 30. Really? | ||
| A black cherry coming in? | ||
| I like a black cherry. | ||
| There's something wrong with it. | ||
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Okay. | |
| It's not necessarily the flavor. | ||
| There's something wrong with that seltzer. | ||
| They fucked up something and it's not good. | ||
| It's not crisp. | ||
| It's not refreshing. | ||
| It's just water that they tossed a little black cherry in. | ||
| I'd prefer that. | ||
| There's something wrong in the other direction with that Waterloo black cherry and I don't know what it is and I don't appreciate it. | ||
| Also, I tried this highball energy water situation. | ||
| A highball energy water? | ||
| Yes. | ||
| No whiskey? | ||
| This is one of the cans of the other ones. | ||
| This is a grapefruit one, which was okay. | ||
| There was a vanilla, and it smelled just like maybe a seltzer version of a cream soda. | ||
| Interesting. | ||
| I had real high hopes. | ||
| Terrible idea. | ||
| Trash. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| 21 out of 100. | ||
| Ooh, 21 out of 100. | ||
| That's bad. | ||
| No good. | ||
| That is bad. | ||
| That's throw it out the window bad. | ||
| Yeah, so we had some highs and some lows in this installment of the Year of the Seltzer, but that's to be expected, and I'm glad, because, you know, just middle-of-the-road stuff, maybe not all that exciting. | ||
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Boring. | |
| I would rather encounter a 21 than, like, a 53, probably. | ||
| Somebody who's bipolar. | ||
| I believe you. | ||
| Extremes are kind of my interest. | ||
| That's true. | ||
| So, we will see you again next time on the Year of the Seltzer. | ||
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Of course. | |
| So, Jordan, today, what we've got going is I was looking over our episodes, and I realized that it's been like ten episodes straight that we've been in the present day of Alex. | ||
| Yeah, yeah. | ||
| It's been exhausting. | ||
| If we were to do another Alex Jones episode for this one, it would just be able to cover Friday's episode of his show. | ||
| Yeah, yeah, yeah. | ||
| Whereas if we do Alex on Wednesday, we'll be able to have more content to go over, add a little more. | ||
| More time for things. | ||
| So I figured now is as good a time as any for a break. | ||
| And so I checked in on Project Camelot. | ||
| I wanted to see what our old friend Swery Carey over there was up to talking about aliens and what have you. | ||
| Still going with vampires, I assume. | ||
| Last we learned, the coronavirus may or may not have been turning Chinese people into vampires. | ||
| They're behind steel, so you can't be sure. | ||
| That was the working theory over there. | ||
| I don't know if that thread continues on this episode. | ||
| What we have today is an interview that Carrie did her most recent episode where she was talking to a super soldier by the name of Anthony Zender. | ||
| This is his third time being interviewed on the show, and I want to make something abundantly clear before we begin. | ||
| It's Anthony Zender's game. | ||
| That's what we're... | ||
| What? | ||
| I know Alex has some thoughts about Zender's game. | ||
| No, one thing I want to make clear before we get going is that I don't want to make fun of Anthony himself. | ||
| I don't know what he's dealing with. | ||
| From listening to his first interview with Kerry, there was some discussion of him being in Iraq and the possibility of some PTSD-type situations. | ||
| So I don't want to sit here and beat up on him. | ||
| And I'm not going to. | ||
| And I honestly probably wouldn't cover this too much if it weren't for the way that it's being used. | ||
| The information that he's presenting and Carrie is allowing to be presented is stuff that deserves to be talked about. | ||
| And I think this is just on the other line of my... | ||
| I'm going to leave this alone. | ||
| Because it doesn't seem like he's struggling. | ||
| Right. | ||
| I don't know what is going on in his world, but he doesn't seem like some of these people on Project Camelot that I'd be like, I'm not even touching this. | ||
| I still have a lot of empathy for him, and I would... | ||
| I prefer to err on the side of not beating up on him. | ||
| For sure. | ||
| But that doesn't mean that this interview itself is necessarily off limits. | ||
| There's some teachable moments and some things to be learned through it. | ||
| Generally speaking, if somebody with PTSD is saying something along those lines, I view it less as them and more as a complete failure of any kind of support structure for them to kind of process this stuff. | ||
| I think that there's probably something to that. | ||
| Yeah, so as far as that goes, it's a failure of the entire system that I am interested in, not him particularly. | ||
| Right, and he doesn't seem to be somebody, at least I listened to two of these three interviews. | ||
| Yeah, yeah, yeah. | ||
| Desire to, like, knock him down a peg or anything. | ||
| Sure, sure, sure. | ||
| But simultaneously, he's presenting himself now for the third time on Carrie's show as a super soldier expert on X, Y, and Z. Love it! | ||
| He just tried to invade Venezuela, I believe, right? | ||
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He might have been involved in Silvercraft or whatever. | |
| So, we're going to talk about this and we'll try and walk that line as best we can. | ||
| So, Carrie starts out the interview poorly because her tech isn't working, and so she has to call him back and try a second time. | ||
| Okay, so we'll do this again. | ||
| So, hi, everyone. | ||
| I'm Carrie Cassidy from Project Camelot. | ||
| Hi, Carrie! | ||
| And here with Anthony Zender. | ||
| And Anthony, go ahead and please say something so we know we've got your audio properly. | ||
| Okay, yeah, I'm definitely here. | ||
| I just noticed it cut out, but that's what happens in these things. | ||
| There's some echo there that will go for the first maybe... | ||
| 20 minutes, but it gets resolved. | ||
| There will be a couple points where this is incredibly difficult to listen to. | ||
| I didn't know. | ||
| I don't think I could fix that. | ||
| That's on her end. | ||
| He didn't mute his speaker or something like that. | ||
| I think it's her. | ||
| It's her. | ||
| Because there's no conversation of it, but it does fix itself. | ||
| Gotcha. | ||
| So I don't know whose end it was that was the problem with the recording, but there will be that little bit of an echo. | ||
| Well, the scalar attack was over. | ||
| Could have been a scalar attack. | ||
| It was probably the scalars. | ||
| So this dude is a super soldier. | ||
| And there are some interesting things to consider when we think about that. | ||
| And we'll get to those along the line. | ||
| But here is just the introduction of that. | ||
| It's been going on since he was six. | ||
| Okay. | ||
| It's a whole life thing. | ||
| I like it. | ||
| So Anthony is a super soldier. | ||
| I've interviewed him in the past. | ||
| And it's great to see you again, Anthony, and have you on my show again. | ||
| Could you give yourself a bit of a background here so that people that haven't seen my previous interview or know of you will understand who you are? | ||
| I will, and thank you, Carrie. | ||
| It's good to be on the show, and I had that planned anyway because definitely understanding what a super soldier is is part of the truth coming out, which is all coming out right now. | ||
| And basically, in my life, as a child, I was abducted by the government at six years old. | ||
| And that was in what is called Operation Green Star. | ||
| And that is a CIA operation that abducts children. | ||
| So they abduct these children to turn them into super soldiers? | ||
| Sure, sure, sure. | ||
| You gotta get them young. | ||
| I can find no evidence of a CIA program called Operation Green Star, but of course I wouldn't. | ||
| Yeah, absolutely. | ||
| They're abducting children. | ||
| That's gotta stay way under wraps. | ||
| I can't even find much evidence of it in conspiracy forums or anything, but it is the actual name that at least one government has used for projects a bit in the past. | ||
| That's the Papua New Guinea, where the PNG Defense Forces used that operation name to do things like in 2019, when they cracked down on immigrants suspected of job hopping. | ||
| The head of that operation, Lieutenant Colonel Nelson Rapola, told the New Zealand Post Courier that, quote, the operation aimed to restore the state's presence, provide community health care, and evangelize the word of God. | ||
| Strange. | ||
| I like one out of those three, I suppose, but I don't like them in service to the other two. | ||
| Earlier in 2018, Operation Green Star had made news in the Post Courier again as they had seized 17 illegal air guns that were believed to have been, quote, smuggled across the border from Indonesia and used for poaching and local violence. | ||
| No word on if those guns were taken for evangelical purposes, however. | ||
| In 2013, a separate Operation Green Star made headlines in India when they confiscated illegal plastic items that were in violation of their Environment Protection Act. | ||
| In North America, Operation Green Star was the name that was given to a clothes and books drive where people could donate to, quote, help those less fortunate than ourselves in 1967 at the University of Montreal. | ||
| That is a perfect cover for a super soldier program, Dan. | ||
| You'd think. | ||
| That's where they drop babies off to, you know, if they don't want them, you adopt them. | ||
| I've seen movies like that all the time. | ||
| I can't even really find many references to Green Star on conspiracy or paranormal sites. | ||
| And one of the few ones where it does come up is a site called True Vision of Peace. | ||
| And the reference to Green Star is just in a bio that's attached to an interview they did with Anthony Sender. | ||
| I begin to think that this might all just spring forth for me, but I'm not entirely sure. | ||
| I like him carving out his own space. | ||
| Sure. | ||
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Why not? | |
| Yeah, yeah, yeah. | ||
| Good for him. | ||
| So apparently there was this program. | ||
| It was part of a treaty that the government did with the breakaway civilization or something. | ||
| Okay, okay. | ||
| Here's an explication of that. | ||
| Operation Green Star is a CIA operation. | ||
| That was created to abduct children with certain genetic traits for eugenics. | ||
| Bioluminescence? | ||
| The treaty with the breakaway civilization was letting them abduct children with the genetics to turn them into super soldiers, which is what happened to me when I came in because of my genetic traits. | ||
| Of being extraterrestrial. | ||
| A hybrid. | ||
| So if I understand this correctly, as it's being presented, there's our government, and then there's this breakaway civilization. | ||
| Of course. | ||
| The breakaway civilization may as well be called the globalists. | ||
| That's a term that Alex used to describe his enemies all the time. | ||
| The breakaway civilization. | ||
| So they're the bad guys in this scenario. | ||
| The CIA is clearly part of their operation since they were running Green Star, which means that the creation of the secret super soldiers was something that was being done for evil ends. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| This must mean that Anthony is an evil creation and that all of the super soldier exploits he's been doing are directed by the bad guys, which is an interesting wrinkle if you really think about it. | ||
| That's fair. | ||
| That is fair. | ||
| Unless there's some kind of a narrative about the good guys taking control of the secret super soldier program, I have to conclude that he's an instrument of the dark side. | ||
| No, Frankenstein's monster wasn't inherently evil. | ||
| It's just the way he was created and the way people perceived him. | ||
| No. | ||
| This is not on... | ||
| But if Frankenstein's monster was created by an explicitly evil Dr. Frankenstein who was then sending him off on missions, you would assume that he was an instrument of the evil that is Dr. Frankenstein. | ||
| Yeah, you would probably assume that, I suppose, if we're going to go that far. | ||
| Right. | ||
| So, I just think that that's interesting because he'll talk about some of his missions later on. | ||
| Act like he's a hero. | ||
| They don't seem to be in compatibility with the secret space program and the CIA breakaway civilization being the ones who are in charge of them. | ||
| Sure, sure. | ||
| So, that to me is a little bit difficult. | ||
| It's not a hard bridge for someone to cross. | ||
| Like, it would be really easy to just say, there's elements within it that are good. | ||
| That's who I was working for. | ||
| Sure, sure, sure. | ||
| Or something. | ||
| But it's all... | ||
| Whatever. | ||
| I find treaties that explicitly allow abduction to be very suspect. | ||
| If you're going to make a treaty, doesn't that suggest that everything's up above board? | ||
| You're writing it down. | ||
| It's on paper. | ||
| Yeah, but you're not abducting people. | ||
| It's enforceable in some way. | ||
| You're not abducting people. | ||
| Well, I mean, this is just an analog of that whole idea of Eisenhower signing a treaty with the aliens that the Greys could kidnap people for research and stuff. | ||
| It's all just sort of the same. | ||
| There. | ||
| So one thing that's important to recognize is that when he was taken by Operation Green Star, there were augmentations that were done to him at the age of six. | ||
| So since then, he's been some sort of a super soldier. | ||
| And at six years old, I was taken to deep underground military bases, and experiments were done on me by the government and extraterrestrials. | ||
| Implants were put in me. | ||
| You know, what they call the black goo was put in me. | ||
| And basically, I was turned into a super soldier. | ||
| So he was turned into a super soldier. | ||
| The black goo was put into him. | ||
| And so from then on, he's, in theory, been a super soldier. | ||
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Yeah. | |
| Right? | ||
| Yeah, yeah, yeah. | ||
| He's got the black goo. | ||
| He talks about some of these missions happening in other dimensions, like he's in another body or whatever. | ||
| Okay, that's fun. | ||
| Right? | ||
| But this is his body. | ||
| Yes. | ||
| This is explicitly his own body when he was young. | ||
| Right. | ||
| That's important because there's two divergent paths of this super soldierdom that's going on. | ||
| Right. | ||
| That's very hard to make sense of. | ||
| Okay. | ||
| And they don't try very hard. | ||
| So are you telling me that they... | ||
| So do they remove the implants as the body grows or do the implants grow with the body? | ||
| I'm sure they grow with the body. | ||
| They're probably semi-organic. | ||
| All right. | ||
| So we got the semi-organic implants. | ||
| We got the black goo. | ||
| Now, I would like a further explication of... | ||
| Where are these implants? | ||
| They're around. | ||
| They're around? | ||
| Okay, well then never mind, we're good. | ||
| You know, you need some sort of a reason why your lineage is important to be chosen for this sort of thing. | ||
| And here we get a little hint of that from Zender. | ||
| As a child, you know, my grandfather was involved in serious projects. | ||
| You know, he designed the SR-71. | ||
| Blackbird engine was involved in propulsion systems, lasers, and all the secret space program stuff, but he couldn't talk about it. | ||
| So if Anthony is saying that his grandfather designed the SR-71 aircraft, then he's definitely claiming that his grandfather is Kelly Johnson, because that's who did that. | ||
| This claim initially appears to be a good play, but upon closer examination, you find that it's really dumb and it's actually impossible. | ||
| The reason it looks good at first is that Johnson was married three times, so you have three possible lineages to claim. | ||
| This offers so many more possibilities for making claims of parentage as opposed to someone who was only married once, but if you read up on Kelly Johnson's life, you'll quickly learn that this is no good. | ||
| Johnson released his memoirs in 1985, titled More Than My Share of It All. | ||
| And in it, he discusses the heartache of being twice widowed and never having children. | ||
| Oh, that's not good. | ||
| Nope. | ||
| Kelly Johnson, the designer of the SR-71, had no children and therefore cannot be anyone's grandfather. | ||
| This story that Anthony is telling has no basis in reality, and if he wants to make these sort of claims credibly, he's going to need some really solid evidence past just saying it to a woman who believes literally anything anyone tells her. | ||
| Yeah, pretty much. | ||
| Maybe he had a... | ||
| Maybe he had a love child. | ||
| Maybe the government abducted his... | ||
| Wait. | ||
| That's what I'm saying, is like, okay, yeah, fine. | ||
| He had an affair, and that's where I was the illegitimate child of it, or whatever. | ||
| Right, right, right, of course. | ||
| You need to prove that, then. | ||
| Because otherwise, I could just say that I am the illegitimate love child of anybody I want to. | ||
| Or, did he actually design the engine, Dan? | ||
| What are you talking about? | ||
| Larger question. | ||
| Himself? | ||
| No, no, no. | ||
| Well, obviously he could have gone back in time through a previous Super Soldier program that we are obviously aware of. | ||
| But what if it's all a cover-up and Kelly Johnson didn't even design that shit and it's actually Zender's grandfather who did it, but they had to get rid of him because his genetics were too good for the Super Soldier program. | ||
| He has a kid. | ||
| They abduct that kid. | ||
| That kid is abducted again. | ||
| We're too far. | ||
| He goes back in time. | ||
| Time travel is very heavy in this version. | ||
| Of course it is. | ||
| I mean, sure. | ||
| At that point, you're just, you know, whatever. | ||
| You could come up with any kind of sort of deus ex machina explanation for how all this fits together. | ||
| Clones! | ||
| Sure. | ||
| That's gotta be it. | ||
| So, he became a super soldier at 16, formally. | ||
| Right. | ||
| And everything before that was preparation for it. | ||
| And he has one piece of information that he sort of uses as evidence that I don't find super compelling. | ||
| And they, you know, I would have bloody noses and things like that. | ||
| But basically, that was all grooming and all that stuff to then have me be a super soldier when I was 16. So, he claims he had bloody noses. | ||
| Right. | ||
| And that's some sort of evidence. | ||
| And in the other interview, he talks about how that was the proof that they had just taken him or something. | ||
| Sure, sure, sure. | ||
| When in reality, childhood bloody noses are super common for all sorts of reasons, like dry climates, picking your nose, allergies. | ||
| There's a ton of reasons that people have bloody noses. | ||
| Yeah, yeah, yeah. | ||
| It is not uncommon. | ||
| So for that to be so key and so central as a piece of evidence... | ||
| That he's being taken to be experimented on. | ||
| I see that, and that's not good. | ||
| I'm not compelled by this. | ||
| It doesn't sell me on it. | ||
| I need to know about the graduation ceremony. | ||
| That's what would get me. | ||
| If he gave me a detailed idea of what happened when he was 16, like, did he walk up there? | ||
| Did they give him a diploma? | ||
| Did they put a hat on him? | ||
| What happened? | ||
| I want to know! | ||
| He has to give back the black goo. | ||
| Exactly! | ||
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Could be. | |
| They suck it out of his mouth. | ||
| I'm not sure. | ||
| So Anthony is involved in Disclosure. | ||
| That's what he's supposed to be doing right now, which is why he's on Carrie's show. | ||
| And he's supposed to get a lot of this information out. | ||
| Yeah, I've been involved in a lot of things, and I'm basically involved with Disclosure and bringing it out to the people. | ||
| Pretty good band. | ||
| Because in this time, it was obviously seen that there were People are going to want answers about what's going on, and I do have the knowledge to be able to provide that. | ||
| I've been involved in a lot of missions lately, and in these missions, not only am I doing black operations, but I'm also involved in talking to heads of executive of state. | ||
| And all these things that are going on because what is going on right now is the cabal is getting taken down. | ||
| And that's why we're in martial law. | ||
| So, for me, that is a little bit much. | ||
| Every time somebody says that what's going on right now is the cabal is getting taken down, I am... | ||
| One, assuming that they are totally on board with Trump. | ||
| There's no other way to say that the cabal is getting taken down. | ||
| When he says I'm talking to executives, he's literally talking about Trump. | ||
| He's talking about having meetings with Trump. | ||
| Yeah, yeah, yeah. | ||
| So he's saying that the cabal is getting taken down right now. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
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Who? | |
| Whoever QAnon says is bad. | ||
| Oh, okay. | ||
| All right. | ||
| We will get to that eventually. | ||
| He's just super into QAnon. | ||
| He's saying he's doing it lately, and he's involved in disclosure, so it should be fresh in his mind. | ||
| Well... | ||
| Who's getting taken down? | ||
| Well, obviously, I mean, this next clip, he says one person. | ||
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Okay. | |
| In terms of all of that, Anthony, do you have any specifics in terms of what you know about the takedown, what you know about the arrests, rather than generalities? | ||
| See, look, you and Carrie are on the same page. | ||
| We're on the same page. | ||
| Carrie is kicking ass at this interview. | ||
| Obviously, yes, people have heard there are going to be arrests. | ||
| We've heard that. | ||
| Certain individuals are being arrested. | ||
| However, we don't really see evidence of that. | ||
| So do you have any specific evidence or information that you can share with us in that regard? | ||
| I do. | ||
| I do, because I'm involved in this. | ||
| I'm involved in taking them down. | ||
| And I have memories coming back. | ||
| I've been involved in making people sign things like Nancy Pelosi. | ||
| I've been involved in executive meetings where I've been involved in the tribunals. | ||
| I've actually been there and seen it going on. | ||
| I've been in the courtroom and I knew that the tribunals were going on. | ||
| And this is all going on behind the scenes. | ||
| So he has memories of making Nancy Pelosi sign something and being in these tribunals. | ||
| It wasn't that long ago. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| Every time he goes on a mission, do they wipe his memory or something? | ||
| I have a working theory about this. | ||
| And it's basically that what he's describing is dreams he's had and things that has come to his mind while he's meditating. | ||
| These are what he's describing as real memories and experiences that he's had. | ||
| And Carrie is allowing him to just say all of these dreams are real. | ||
| Now, if this were a situation where it was a competent, non-abusive interviewer talking to this person... | ||
| You could have a conversation about these really interesting dreams that he's had. | ||
| Well, I mean, I'm hearing a lot of recovered memory kind of language about this. | ||
| That's the idea of this. | ||
| They wipe his memory or something along those lines in order to keep him from telling, even though his job is now disclosure or whatever. | ||
| So, I'm confused on exactly what's going on here. | ||
| That doesn't quite make sense, but yeah. | ||
| There is sort of a vibe that they try and make him not remember these missions, but your soul remembers. | ||
| Sure, sure. | ||
| The Akashic records and stuff, he has access through his higher self to these memories. | ||
| When he dreams, they come back. | ||
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Of course. | |
| That kind of thing is definitely in the mix. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| What do you think he got Nancy Pelosi to sign? | ||
| It's not clear. | ||
| She's under arrest. | ||
| Auto loan? | ||
| No, I think it's a confession or something. | ||
| It'll come back up later. | ||
| So Carrie asks about these memories, and this is sort of where I'm thinking, oh, this is mostly dreams. | ||
| When you get these memories, are you getting them because in sort of a sleep situation, in a meditation situation, or can it just bleed through during the day? | ||
| How does this all come to you? | ||
| Right. | ||
| I'm a meditator. | ||
| I was taught that in the mystery schools. | ||
| I can meditate for as long as I want. | ||
| And that's part of my memory recall. | ||
| So when I do go to sleep, I obviously access other levels of consciousness. | ||
| And what they do wipe from my memory, I'm actually remembering. | ||
| You know, it does come in dream situations, but it will be more real than in real life. | ||
| So, I mean, you can have vivid dreams, and there are phenomena that happen in your dreams where you can have pretty intricate storylines that go through dreams. | ||
| Lucid dreaming? | ||
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Sure. | |
| But I don't know of any reason to believe that you would... | ||
| Have a dream of making Nancy Pelosi sign something and be like, I did that. | ||
| That's why you didn't get a scholarship to mystery school, Dan. | ||
| Yeah, probably. | ||
| Because you can't open your mind to the mysteries. | ||
| Yeah, that's probably why. | ||
| That's the only thing that makes sense to me. | ||
| We'll get back to that mystery school thing here in a minute. | ||
| Alright, I'm excited about the mystery school. | ||
| Like I said, I don't want to make fun of Anthony. | ||
| But I do think that this is worth discussing for a number of reasons. | ||
| One of them is because in this interview you see exactly the same sort of mentalities that Alex Jones has being presented by this guy. | ||
| One of them being that movies and TV shows are real. | ||
| One of the movies, actually that's a disclosure movie that's out right now, is called Bloodshot. | ||
| And that's a new movie with Vin Diesel in it. | ||
| And the whole thing is about what a super soldier is and how they do memory manipulation and memory erasal to basically keep reusing the super soldier over and over and over and over again. | ||
| And another thing, another disclosure show is the Dolphins. | ||
| So you have these sci-fi movies and TV that are actually telling us the reality of everything that's going on secretly. | ||
| And you have that exact same mentality being so key to Alex Jones' belief of what the globalists' plans are. | ||
| And when it's coming from Alex Jones, it has this air of like, I've researched, I know all this stuff, I know what they're doing. | ||
| They tell you their plans in the movies. | ||
| Right, right, right. | ||
| But when you hear it coming from this guy who's claiming to be a secret super soldier talking to Carrie, it kind of puts into better light the behavior that Alex Jones manifests. | ||
| And for him, for Anthony, it's far less... | ||
| Nefarious, I think, than with Alex. | ||
| It's also less effective just based on an appeal to authority kind of situation there. | ||
| Because Alex is in control of his whole desk, he's filling the room up with his bullshit. | ||
| So he can push that on you and you can just kind of accept it. | ||
| But when it's a dude giving an interview and he's telling me that movies are real... | ||
| Like, you're in the wrong seat to tell me that movies are real. | ||
| It does feel that way. | ||
| And the dollhouse had a rough start, but as it got going, it was pretty good. | ||
| It was pretty good. | ||
| A rough start. | ||
| So, another thing that's really similar to stuff with Alex is Anthony Zender says that he's in direct communication with the president. | ||
| Of course. | ||
| With Trump. | ||
| And... | ||
| His sort of ideas about what's going on in the world right now are also very, very similar. | ||
| I am currently having meetings with Trump, with Donald Trump. | ||
| Oh, thanks for... | ||
| ...with the Pleiadian guidance that he is receiving right now. | ||
| And I'm also, you know, that's executive meetings, but I'm also having memory recalls of... | ||
| Missions that I'm involved in on this Earth and also interdimensionally because this is an interdimensional temporal extraterrestrial war going on. | ||
| That's very similar to what Alex believes. | ||
| There's extra-dimensional demons that he's at war with that are behind the globalists and all this shit. | ||
| It's very, very similar. | ||
| Alex says that, you know, I talk to Trump all the time through this show. | ||
| I talk to him and he listens. | ||
| There's a very, very heavy overlap between this guy and Alex. | ||
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Yeah, I want to know what they mean by inter-dimensional. | |
| You just can't see it. | ||
| It's happening around you right now. | ||
| Right, but is it like alternate universe kind of stuff? | ||
| Or is it like there's a world above our world or a world coexisting with our world that we're incapable of experiencing? | ||
| I think it means whatever you want it to mean. | ||
| That's why I'm very frustrated with it. | ||
| Because they all use it like it's a catch-all. | ||
| And I think if they were going to draw out what it is they mean when they stay interdimensional, you'd see a completely different picture. | ||
| And I think that's why a lot of people... | ||
| Well, don't do that. | ||
| Because if you do, then you have to stand by that definition, and that can be trouble. | ||
| So, Anthony's mission largely involves apparently being a spy. | ||
| He talks about this quite openly on this public show, so I assume the bad guys now know. | ||
| Yeah, yeah. | ||
| That seems like trouble. | ||
| I think he's been burned. | ||
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Yeah. | |
| I think that's what I would say. | ||
| You would think that if his role is as a spy infiltrating evil organizations... | ||
| Cover. | ||
| Gone. | ||
| But he talks about that here a little bit. | ||
| But one of the missions that I recalled just recently was I was, because I'm always infiltrated into the dark side. | ||
| You know what I'm saying? | ||
| Into the dark corporations, which are, people don't know this, but, which are Monarch, Mobius, Umbrella, Massive Dynamics. | ||
| And ultimate. | ||
| And these are all corporations that are interdimensional. | ||
| And one of the missions I recall was because right now what is going on is the COVID virus is basically a biochemical AI weapon that's been employed interdimensionally. | ||
| I'm recalling Mission where I'm involved in getting information about what's going on. | ||
| In these other places, interdimensionally. | ||
| So, I mean, Alex believes that it's a bioweapon. | ||
| There's some similarities there. | ||
| Now, I should tell you that Monarch is the name of the fictional corporation that was set up to try to kill Godzilla in the modern Godzilla franchise, including 2014's Godzilla, 2019's Godzilla King of Monsters, and the upcoming Godzilla vs. | ||
| Kong. | ||
| It also factored into the 2017 King Kong movie Skull Island. | ||
| It's great. | ||
| The Mobius Corporation is the name of the evil company in the video game The Evil Within, which was a survival horror follow-up from Resident Evil creator Shinji Mikami, with the first one released in 2014 and a sequel in 2017. | ||
| Umbrella, of course, is the evil company in the Resident Evil series. | ||
| Massive Dynamic was the company founded by Leonard Nimoy's character in the Fox drama Fringe. | ||
| Which was kind of the looming specter of evil for the protagonists in the film. | ||
| Yeah, I recognized all those names. | ||
| I'm not sure where Ultimate comes from. | ||
| Do you know? | ||
| Because I have no doubt it's some movie or video game that I haven't played or seen. | ||
| I think it's the Frisbee golf one. | ||
| Or the Frisbee. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
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The point here is that Anthony is operating off a very similar but more in-depth pattern of thinking that we see Alex operate with. | |
| There's a fundamental unwillingness to separate reality and fiction. | ||
| And the lines are really arbitrary. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
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Like, why not include Viet Industries in there? | |
| What about Primatech Paper? | ||
| Like, he's not a Heroes fan? | ||
| What about the Dharma Initiative? | ||
| Lost was one of the biggest TV shows. | ||
| It was huge. | ||
| Too obviously fake, Dan. | ||
| Are those fictional companies not real, but these other ones are? | ||
| I don't know. | ||
| Who cares? | ||
| I hate it whenever they believe that movies and shit are real, and then they say stuff like biochemical AI. | ||
| If you believe movies and shit are real, has a biochemical AI ever worked out in the end for humans? | ||
| It always goes wrong for us. | ||
| Yes! | ||
| Why would we make a biochemical AI if they always wind up killing us in every movie and TV? | ||
| Well, because all the fiction is just predictive programming to make you think it would never work. | ||
| Fair enough. | ||
| I'll take that one. | ||
| There's always ways around it. | ||
| You got me there? | ||
| You got me there. | ||
| So, I noticed a trend that whenever I heard Anthony talking about missions that he's been on, they honestly sound like pretty awesome dreams. | ||
| Okay. | ||
| And basically, you know, when you're a spy, a lot of the times you're found out, you know, your cover's blown. | ||
| A lot of my missions, my cover's blown, and I have to escape. | ||
| And you're a bad spy! | ||
| And, you know, one of the most recent memories was I was obviously in one of these corporations that are linked with DARPA. | ||
| You know, they are linked with DARPA in this reality. | ||
| But I was involved in being involved in the mission there, and I had to escape, and I was getting shot at, and I had to get into an elevator, and the elevator door closed, and there were all sorts of bullets riddling through the elevator door, and I had to take cover against the wall in the elevator door, and then they cut the cord to the elevator. | ||
| And then I fell like 100 stories or something because I was in a skyscraper. | ||
| Sure. | ||
| And basically the elevator hit and I was still alive because I was obviously in a super soldier body. | ||
| Obviously. | ||
| And I got out of the elevator and there were agents all around, people that were trying to take me out. | ||
| And I started basically running up the sides of the wall and shooting everybody. | ||
| I've had dreams like that. | ||
| That sounds like an action-packed kind of dream. | ||
| Yeah, that's very exciting. | ||
| Now, just me. | ||
| If I'm one of these government operations directing spies into places, I wouldn't use the guy who's describing his own job as My cover gets blown a lot. | ||
| And two, I'm in a recon mission and then I just wind up killing everybody. | ||
| That's not good. | ||
| That's a bad spy. | ||
| It's a smash and grab spy job. | ||
| That's a bad spy. | ||
| That's a very obvious spy. | ||
| Right. | ||
| That's just a murderer. | ||
| You couldn't beat a stealth video game with that kind of strategy. | ||
| That spamming attack strategy. | ||
| Yeah, exactly. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| It is counter to... | ||
| What the goal is, perhaps. | ||
| I would say that you're trying not to kill people if you're hiring a spy. | ||
| Well, you want the information, and you also don't want the person you're getting the information from to know you have it. | ||
| Exactly. | ||
| That's the leverage. | ||
| Exactly. | ||
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That's why you employ a spy. | |
| Yeah, I don't know. | ||
| I don't know. | ||
| Also, that suggests that the corporation for sure knows that they're being spied on, and all their guys are murdered, and they're just like, well... | ||
| We'll give you this one, man. | ||
| Let's keep moving forward. | ||
| Fool me once. | ||
| Let's keep moving forward with the exact same plans that we know that they know about. | ||
| Yeah, exactly. | ||
| Look, guys, back to business as usual. | ||
| My bad. | ||
| My bad on this one. | ||
| Let the dead bury the dead. | ||
| Let's move forward. | ||
| We thought the elevator thing was going to work. | ||
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Shit. | |
| We thought it was going to work. | ||
| Should have known. | ||
| There were super soldiers that apparently we are involved in having created because we're the bad guys. | ||
| It's very complicated. | ||
| I don't pretend to understand what the ins and outs of this are. | ||
| Anyway, there is a reason that I'm doing this episode, even though if you just listen to that clip, it's pretty clearly a guy who's describing dreams that he's interpreting as real. | ||
| And that is something that is indicative of not a perfectly healthy mindset necessarily, which is why I'm trying to dance around this fairly delicately. | ||
| Because I don't want to beat up on this guy. | ||
| I think that he probably is dealing with something and probably needs to be the target of compassion as opposed to ridicule. | ||
| Some of these ideas are kind of funny, but only within the context of understanding that he... | ||
| It's not him we're laughing at. | ||
| No, it's like the children at the childcare facility that their recovered memories suggested that the daycare workers were satanic murderers and pedophiles and they sent them to jail for forever and it was all made up. | ||
| I'm not mad at the kids. | ||
| Right, right. | ||
| They were being manipulated the whole way in a very similar way that Carrie is manipulating this guy. | ||
| Well, and I think it might actually go a little bit deeper than that. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| And we'll get into that as we go along. | ||
| So Carrie wants to know about this sort of sovereign citizen-y idea that Trump lately has been speaking in front flags with no gold fringe on them. | ||
| Jesus Christ. | ||
| And this leads to a pretty big revelation that should tell about where maybe some of this path started for Zender. | ||
| Do you have, like, I mean... | ||
| The last, like, say, couple weeks, have you noticed a change in what's going on? | ||
| Because for one thing, Paladin reported that lately on news conferences, the gold fringe is missing from the American flag. | ||
| So are you aware of a change in that regard? | ||
| Yeah, no, there's nothing but change going on, and it's very clear that they're trying to, you know, in many different ways, make that clear. | ||
| I've heard the Federal Reserve is gone. | ||
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They finally got those three senators out of there. | |
| They switched it over. | ||
| What I know to be what they call the Nesera and Jesera is happening because I've actually had memories of being involved with Donald Trump in the The hidden city in China. | ||
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And there was a celebration going on there. | |
| And the celebration was obviously for Nesra and Jesra actually being rolled out right now, which is obviously a whole new change of government, everything happening, which we can actually see is happening now with this martial law being instilled on America. | ||
| So, the whole idea about the coronavirus and the COVID-19 and the lockdown and all this has to do with a whole new government being rolled out because of Nesera and Jasera. | ||
| Okay, who are they? | ||
| We'll get to that in a second. | ||
| Okay. | ||
| So, just real quick, like I mentioned, in case anyone hasn't heard episodes where we talk about this a bit, Carrie's gold flag question, the fringe around the flag is just sovereign citizenship. | ||
| Their belief system says that gold fringe around an American flag indicates that something is under the control of maritime law. | ||
| And therefore it's all invalid. | ||
| Yes. | ||
| It's a super common sovereign citizen talking point. | ||
| You'll see it whenever they're in court trying to get out of a fine for driving without a license. | ||
| Right, right. | ||
| To bring up the fringe around the court. | ||
| Ha-ha! | ||
| Gotcha! | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| Tubalcane. | ||
| So I was pretty sure that Nessera and Jessera sounded like some kind of an allusion to a biblical beast or something. | ||
| I kind of got that vibe. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| It's actually a tip-off that Anthony believes pretty interesting and depressing conspiracy stuff. | ||
| Okay. | ||
| NASARA is the National Economic Security and Recovery Act, which was something that was proposed by a systems researcher named Harvey Francis Barnard in the late 80s. | ||
| His basic argument was that debt was holding down the economy, and that compounded interest was the greatest factor in the maintenance of that debt, which he viewed as an ethical matter. | ||
| It was unethical to allow compounding of interest, which I'm interested in listening to as an argument, just as a whole. | ||
| Well, I mean, it's fundamentally anti-biblical, so there's that. | ||
| Nessera and Jessera. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| Biblical. | ||
| Anyway. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| His proposals were never put into law, but that didn't stop a woman named Candace Goodwin from starting posting a bunch of conspiracy theories about it. | ||
| Good for her. | ||
| Under the screen name The Dove of Oneness, Goodwin argued that it was actually, that Nessera was actually secretly passed by Bill Clinton as the National Economic Security and Reformation Act. | ||
| Ooh, nicely done. | ||
| Goodwin's theory and version of Nessera is a sprawling conspiracy. | ||
| From her telling, the act was supposed to take effect on September 11, 2001, and 9-11 was somehow done to avert it or something. | ||
| Oh, okay. | ||
| I was going to say, that's a staggering coincidence. | ||
| Totally. | ||
| According to a fantastic article about her by Sean Robinson in the News Tribune, she believes that this secret law, quote, abolishes income taxes, forgives mortgages, zeros out credit cards, and declares... | ||
| Except where otherwise specified, the quotes in the passages I'm about to read, they all come from Robinson's reporting in the News Tribune. | ||
| Fantastic article people should check out. | ||
| The media apparently is not allowed to talk about this law. | ||
| Well, of course not. | ||
| Because there's a gag order in place that would be punishable by death if you talk about this stuff. | ||
| That is no way enforceable, but whatever. | ||
| If all of a sudden we see Rachel Maddow disappear from the show. | ||
| Right after talking about Nessera. | ||
| Mid-show, she just gets dragged off by a giant. | ||
| It's showtime at the Apollo. | ||
| She gets ripped off of that. | ||
| I believe that QAnon Anonymous did an episode about Nessera, and they're still around. | ||
| Apparently, we can get away with talking about it a little bit if need be. | ||
| We're independent media, Dan. | ||
| It's just the media establishment. | ||
| They can't do it. | ||
| Edwin, as the dove of oneness, got her start as an anonymous internet poster who was promoting a scam being run by a guy named Clyde Hood. | ||
| Hood had started this thing called the Omega Trust in Trading Limited. | ||
| He claimed to be a high-powered investment trader and offered people, quote, units of Omega for $100, which would, quote, roll over for 275 days with a 50 to 1 return. | ||
| Investors could let it roll again for another 275 days, again 50 to 1. After that, they could do one more roll, but that was it. | ||
| If you do the math, that would flip $100 into $12.5 million, no work involved. | ||
| How could you not say yes to that? | ||
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Of course. | |
| Yeah. | ||
| So naturally, this was all bullshit, and Hood was running a scam and taking money and just enjoying it. | ||
| Yeah, it's a great scam. | ||
| Hood is dead now, but an obituary for him estimated that he ran this scam from 1994 to the year 2000 and made about $20 million from naive investors. | ||
| Jesus Christ! | ||
| Oh, man! | ||
| Prior to his death in 2002, Hood... | ||
| Hood pleaded guilty to a bunch of charges and admitted he'd made it all up as a way to scam people and he was sentenced to 14 years in prison. | ||
| The Dove of Oneness was one of the voices that encouraged people to not give up hope on this Omega investment, even though their payments were never materializing. | ||
| As the scam was coming to a close and Hood was nearing being arrested, the Dove of Oneness spun fantastical yarns about how there was a conspiracy against Omega and how there were good forces, including judges, who were trying to fight for people to get their money. | ||
| Through her stories and supposed updates about Hood's scam, she gained a following, probably mostly of people who wanted to know where their $12.5 million was. | ||
| When Hood was arrested, she created a narrative that the whole bust was a farce, and that people needed to keep their spirits high. | ||
| She posted, quote, stay away from the website that has information on this case! | ||
| That is a smart idea. | ||
| That's a good place to start. | ||
| If you're trying to keep information away from people, scream don't look at the information. | ||
| I like it. | ||
| Quote, you will be tracked if you go to that website. | ||
| And absolutely avoid filling out any complaints or you could lose your funding if you do that. | ||
| Brilliant. | ||
| Don't review us on the Better Business Bureau. | ||
| Really. | ||
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Investigators who had taken down Hood and Omega were trying to get victims to file claims to be reimbursed from the money they'd seized from him. | |
| But, quote, many investors refused to file, refused to even talk to government investigators. | ||
| The problem was the Internet and the never ending stream of rumors led by Dove and others that urged Omega victims to clam up. | ||
| U.S. Attorney Steve Sanchez told the News Tribune, quote, No matter how hard we tried to persuade people that the information being put out there was erroneous, people didn't want to believe it. | ||
| Hood's lawyer would even get calls from investors who wouldn't accept that he'd confessed to the fraud. | ||
| Quote, Yeah. | ||
| So this is all a load of shit, but it seemed to maintain some sort of a following, the dove of oneness's work. | ||
| According to her, Omega was just one of many of what she called prosperity programs, which would make everyone involved rich. | ||
| Apparently, these programs were to be put in motion by this Nesera that she imagined had been passed into law by Bill Clinton. | ||
| Her ideas about Nessera have been debunked by the guy who came up with the idea in the first place, Harvey Barnard. | ||
| But it doesn't matter. | ||
| The conspiracy is too seductive and has its roots in a real scam that defrauded people of millions. | ||
| Man, that is good shit. | ||
| I gotta give it a... | ||
| So she took... | ||
| Working on this scam with this other guy. | ||
| I don't think she was working on it with him. | ||
| And that's something that comes up in this article that's really fascinating. | ||
| Because of how large this scam got and how protracted it was, the working theory around it was that it attracted a bunch of other scammers who wanted to drift along with it. | ||
| Like sharks, like the little fish that clean sharks' backs. | ||
| That's what's going on here. | ||
| And if you look at that as a microcosm of the Trump administration, it kind of makes total sense. | ||
| Everything is perfect. | ||
| When there is a gigantic, massive fraud going on, people who run cons are like... | ||
| I've got to get a taste of this action. | ||
| And whether it's even conscious or not, that is a phenomenon that I think you see whenever scams get too big. | ||
| Well, I mean, if you see a bunch of people getting frauded, you're like, well, obviously these people are my target audience. | ||
| And that's even what that dude's lawyer was talking about. | ||
| These people are susceptible to being victimized again because... | ||
| They just want to believe this. | ||
| Right, right, right. | ||
| And nobody wants to accept that they've been conned. | ||
| You feel like an idiot. | ||
| You feel really stupid. | ||
| Clyde Hood, in court, one of his quotes that really stuck out to me was, I didn't realize how big of a liar I was. | ||
| Which is a fascinating thing. | ||
| That is really interesting. | ||
| Because you made up this whole thing. | ||
| I know! | ||
| There was a point when you made a choice. | ||
| You know who really got conned? | ||
| Me. | ||
| I was the real victim here. | ||
| I conned myself. | ||
| You know what? | ||
| That quote is a little bit of that mentality, and then also a little bit of maybe peaking self-awareness that maybe he didn't have access to while he was deluding himself into thinking he was doing something else. | ||
| And that's fascinating to me. | ||
| So anyway, this is what Anthony believes is going on with the world today, is this implementation of this Nesera. | ||
| What's Jesera? | ||
| That's just a new one. | ||
| The G stands for global. | ||
| It's the same thing. | ||
| Oh, okay. | ||
| Well, that's nice. | ||
| It's basically the concept and the idea that what we're going towards with Trump and all this is a global resetting of all economy and all this, and it's going to be like a shaking off of all debt and everything, and everyone's going to be living in wonderful, perfect prosperity. | ||
| It's utopianism being funneled through Trump. | ||
| Okay, so... | ||
| He believes that a man whose primary wealth comes directly from property ownership and bankruptcy and defrauding people is going to suddenly switch tack. | ||
| And institute a utopian society that eliminates those things? | ||
| I think it's probably because he believes that Trump is being guided by aliens and what have you. | ||
| Because he did say earlier he's getting Pleiadian help. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| If he suddenly got Pleiadian help very shortly and we saw a big change, I'm fine with that. | ||
| I'm fine with that. | ||
| Right now, I am not a big fan of the Pleiadians. | ||
| If they've been here since the jump... | ||
| Nah, get these Pleiadians out of here, bro. | ||
| I'm done with it. | ||
| So, it turns out that Anthony is a really big fan of QAnon. | ||
| Sure. | ||
| And he thinks it's very important to study, and he knows who's running it. | ||
| Well, isn't the idea that she would be one of the people under arrest? | ||
| Oh, she is. | ||
| Pelosi. | ||
| That's what I'm saying, is she definitely is. | ||
| One of the people that are going to Gitmo. | ||
| They're already there. | ||
| They're actually already there. | ||
| See, the thing is, like you said earlier, what you heard about the children happened a month ago. | ||
| You know, we're kind of like society is kind of behind schedule about what's really going on. | ||
| And those people that are in the know are kind of in more knowledge of what's actually happening. | ||
| But they have to roll it out a certain way, and that's what I wanted to talk about QAnon. | ||
| And who QAnon is and how important QAnon is because that's pretty much like the nexus point of people understanding what's happening is them studying QAnon. | ||
| And QAnon, me even saying this, is actually something that no one's been saying because they don't know. | ||
| But QAnon actually is MJ-12, is the organization MJ-12 and the government. | ||
| because the government MJ, uh, MJ 12 was created to infiltrate, uh, what people know as the Illuminati, but they're actually not the Illuminati because the Illuminati are the ones that actually oppose, um, the, the global globalization and the, uh, uh, the old world order that was being rolled out. | ||
| It's not a new old order. | ||
| It's actually an old world order that has been, um, being implemented on humanity to This leads to a really interesting conversation with Carrie, where, first of all, she's like, But Majestic 12 is like a really old-school conspiracy thing. | ||
| Okay, is that what that is? | ||
| Yeah, it's... | ||
| All right, Majestic 12. It's classic paranormal alien conspiracy things. | ||
| And Carrie's like, I know all about Majestic 12. They're not all of one. | ||
| It's split, and that's very confusing. | ||
| Great, sure. | ||
| But also, the way he's framing it, what... | ||
| Most conspiracists, it's called the New World Order. | ||
| He's referring to it as the Old World Order. | ||
| And the Illuminati isn't really the Illuminati. | ||
| The Illuminati are against globalization. | ||
| They are the really illuminated ones. | ||
| Okay. | ||
| And she has this whole thing where she's like, I understand what you're trying to say. | ||
| Does she? | ||
| Yes. | ||
| Okay. | ||
| But she's like, I understand, but you can't just call those things those things because they denote something to everybody. | ||
| You're going to confuse people. | ||
| And I think she has a fair point. | ||
| Carrie's point is, words have to mean things if you want to communicate with people. | ||
| There's going to be a problem with reverse branding that comes into this. | ||
| So I think a lot of the ideas that... | ||
| That Zender's expressing. | ||
| A lot of these things are probably things that have gotten into his subconscious, his belief system, because of engaging in a ton of Q conspiracy theorizing. | ||
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Right, right, right. | |
| So that is another pretty solid clue of what might be leading him down this path towards having these dreams where he's on reconnaissance missions against the Umbrella Corporation in another dimension. | ||
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Right, right, right. | |
| For sure. | ||
| You know, it makes a lot of sense. | ||
| In some ways. | ||
| So, Carrie asks him if he's been dealing with Greys, the aliens, and he has an interesting response to this that kind of confuses Carrie. | ||
| Okay, and are you familiar, have you been dealing with the Greys? | ||
| Um, not recently, because, I mean, I'm done with the Greys because that was, you know, very far back in my... | ||
| Like when I was six and getting abducted, I'm definitely dealing with higher beings now because even now I'm remembering memories of being involved as a super soldier where I'm fighting Nordics and they actually were fucking me up. | ||
| They actually had the ability, they were able to lift me up telekinetically and just spin me around and throw me against a wall. | ||
| So, I mean, that's what I'm dealing with. | ||
| Okay, but Nordics are not greys. | ||
| No, no, they're not. | ||
| They're not, but they are more advanced. | ||
| Right. | ||
| Okay. | ||
| Okay, it's just that my question was about the greys. | ||
| So you sort of changed the topic and moved on to the Nordics. | ||
| All right, fair enough. | ||
| I think that the Nordics are good guys. | ||
| Right? | ||
| In this whole conception? | ||
| Well, if I... | ||
| Like, the Pleiadians are a Nordic alien race. | ||
| Yeah, yeah, yeah. | ||
| I've always understood them to be the racist version of alien white people. | ||
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Yeah. | |
| Where they're like, these are the ubermensch. | ||
| Yeah, they're the light beings. | ||
| Yeah, yeah, yeah. | ||
| Like, yeah, I've never heard... | ||
| Is this guy a bad guy? | ||
| I don't see... | ||
| Oh, in terms of... | ||
| Is Carrie talking to her enemy? | ||
| I mean, there are a lot of indications that he was a secret space program super soldier that was created by the CIA. | ||
| Right. | ||
| In part of a treaty that they did with the good guys to enable them to kidnap children to do this. | ||
| And he has been fighting aliens that traditionally on Project Camelot are seen as the positive beings. | ||
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Right, right, right. | |
| It's complicated. | ||
| And he really doesn't seem to have any interest in protecting human life so far. | ||
| I don't think those were humans that he killed after he fell down that elevator. | ||
| That's fair enough. | ||
| Yeah, those were other aliens or something. | ||
| I retract my criticism. | ||
| So the thing there is that Carrie doesn't... | ||
| Bring up that sort of what I would consider a stumbling block. | ||
| The fact that he was fighting with Nordics. | ||
| It seems like a pretty big deal. | ||
| She's just like, okay, fine. | ||
| And she's a little testy about him just not straight up saying, no, I haven't dealt with the Greys for a while. | ||
| Instead, he then says, I'm dealing with the Nordics. | ||
| You should always be dealing with the Greys. | ||
| You gotta deal with the Greys. | ||
| They're always in play. | ||
| I want that to be a euphemism for some sort of bathroom activity. | ||
| I gotta go deal with the Greys over here, guys. | ||
| Come on. | ||
| I would like it to not be that. | ||
| So we're in a disagreement. | ||
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Fair. | |
| So Carrie asks about some more QAnon stuff, which is the idea that JFK Jr. survived that plane crash and is now working with Trump. | ||
| I don't understand the JFK Jr. stuff. | ||
| This leads to a bit of confusion that I think is really telling. | ||
| Do you think that you have inside knowledge about what is going on with Trump and his team and QAnon and also Robert, I mean John F. Kennedy Jr.? | ||
| Yes. | ||
| Yes, I do. | ||
| And I can confirm that that is all true. | ||
| Everything that's going on with Trump and QAnon and Robert F. Kennedy Jr. and the Tesla technology and everything is the truth. | ||
| Because... | ||
| Okay. | ||
| Actually, Robert F. Kennedy is not John F. Kennedy Jr. | ||
| You know, John John, the one who supposedly died in the crash. | ||
| Supposedly. | ||
| That's the Kennedy I was referring to. | ||
| Just clarifying. | ||
| So, John F. Kennedy Jr. | ||
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But anyway, you're talking about... | |
| John F. Kennedy Jr., right? | ||
| I'm talking about, yes, who supposedly died in a plane crash. | ||
| They say now that he faked the crash. | ||
| He and Caroline, his wife, you know, he published George Magazine, etc., that he is working with Trump and he's actually part of QAnon. | ||
| Have you heard that? | ||
| I have, and I am in not belief, but knowing that that is true. | ||
| So, I mean, I don't even know. | ||
| Keep your Junior Kennedys straight. | ||
| Keep them straight. | ||
| The problem is that they're both sort of involved in the conspiracy stuff. | ||
| Because RFK Jr. is the anti-vax guy. | ||
| And JFK Jr. is the one that supposedly faked his death so he could help Trump now. | ||
| Famous people shouldn't die in plane crashes. | ||
| It's just a terrible idea. | ||
| It is trouble. | ||
| It always happens. | ||
| No one is theorizing that the Big Bopper is working with Trump. | ||
| We are now. | ||
| That's the only thing that makes sense out of any of this. | ||
| Chantilly Lace. | ||
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Oh, God. | |
| That press conference would be amazing. | ||
| See, now we realize... | ||
| We are opening back up the states, and as a consolation, here is Buddy Holly and the Big Bopper. | ||
| What? | ||
| They've been working with Trump all along? | ||
| And they just let American Pie happen? | ||
| They didn't stop that song from happening? | ||
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From now on, American Pie will never be played on the radio again. | |
| It's too long to begin with. | ||
| Don McLean just shaking his fist. | ||
| My career! | ||
| Sorry, what were you saying? | ||
| I completely forgot. | ||
| Which Kennedy Jr. is the... | ||
| So they think... | ||
| JFK Jr. | ||
| Yes. | ||
| Faked his own death. | ||
| Some people believe he might even be the one doing the Q stuff. | ||
| Okay, so... | ||
| I don't know. | ||
| Q might be JFK Jr. | ||
| I don't know. | ||
| I think some people believe that. | ||
| Oh, boy. | ||
| Apparently, there's some division in the Q communities about whether or not they believe JFK Jr. is alive or not. | ||
| It seems like maybe a bit of a... | ||
| That sounds foundational. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| I don't... | ||
| I just hear this stuff and it's like, okay... | ||
| He was ready to say that RFK Jr. is the one who's alive and is helping Trump. | ||
| And then there's the confusion. | ||
| No, I'm talking about JFK Jr. | ||
| He's like, I do not believe that. | ||
| I know that to be true. | ||
| It makes me think that this is a little malleable. | ||
| I'm going to say yes and to whatever it is you just said. | ||
| Whatever's being presented as this conspiracy is I'm going to go along with it. | ||
| So now where this intersects with sort of more reality, and again, Alex Jones specifics, is some of this conversation about the actual COVID-19 situation. | ||
| What we didn't cover is your own take on the so-called coronavirus. | ||
| Any thoughts on that? | ||
| So-called. | ||
| Any information you may have been given? | ||
| Right. | ||
| So what I know about the coronavirus is they are definitely making it worse than it seems. | ||
| Like the tests are set up a certain way to basically make more cases happening than are actually happening. | ||
| And then they're blaming deaths that aren't related to the coronavirus, actually to the coronavirus, to make the numbers more, you know. | ||
| To make the numbers more, so to provide more fear. | ||
| And that's just, you could hear Alex Jones saying the exact same thing, but yelling it. | ||
| Word for word. | ||
| It's identical to the same conspiracy theories that are being trafficked on Infowars. | ||
| You see a lot of overlap here, and it's like, well, this is the same thing. | ||
| It's the same thing, it's just Alex pretends that he's something different. | ||
| And we've allowed him to get away with it forever. | ||
| Like, I don't know why people, I mean, I guess I kind of know why. | ||
| I mean, part of it is he seemed fun for a while. | ||
| Shock entertainment, yeah. | ||
| Sure, and then part of it was also the appearance of non-partisanship with him yelling at Bush and stuff. | ||
| Yeah, yeah. | ||
| Yeah, I don't know. | ||
| I get... | ||
| It's awful to look at. | ||
| It really is like... | ||
| The tragedy, the scale of it, of how many people are dying and how they're being... | ||
| Pushed towards that death like fucking lemmings in a Disney documentary. | ||
| Or at least being pushed towards risking it. | ||
| To sort of phrase it a little bit more. | ||
| Right. | ||
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But we have to look at it. | |
| You can't deny it. | ||
| You can't deny it. | ||
| And that's what it seems like everybody in this circle really wants to do. | ||
| They just can't look at it. | ||
| Because in a movie, it's fine. | ||
| You know? | ||
| It's not real. | ||
| And when it's real, they have to find a different movie to kind of retreat into. | ||
| It's that kind of thing. | ||
| And to sort of double down on what you're saying, when you allow for all movies to be reality, you kind of allow for stuff in reality to be a movie. | ||
| It kind of goes both ways. | ||
| The blurring of fiction and reality, it's not a one-way street. | ||
| Until there's no blurring. | ||
| They simply both exist simultaneously, and you just pick and choose whatever one you feel like believing at any given point in time. | ||
| Yeah, yeah. | ||
| That's fucked. | ||
| And so, you know, with the Alex Jones coronavirus conspiracies that are being overlapped here, it's not surprising that he also believes as sort of a resource in pushing this. | ||
| Something else Alex believes in. | ||
| And in the Illuminati card game, There actually is a card called Pandemic, and it's Epidemic. | ||
| And it's basically got, you know, the masks and vaccines on there and stuff. | ||
| So this was all part of the plan being rolled out. | ||
| But it's not what it seems to be. | ||
| So, also, I mean, I should just, spoiler alert, I have the Illuminati card game up on my wall. | ||
| Yeah, I know. | ||
| I'm wondering if you have that particular card up there. | ||
| I absolutely do, but there's also a ton of other things, like Godzilla is one of the cards. | ||
| Well, yeah, but that's because Godzilla's real. | ||
| Yeah, let's get up and look at the wall here. | ||
| Oh, Bigfoot, that's one. | ||
| Bigfoot is real. | ||
| The frog god. | ||
| Let's not forget about that. | ||
| I can see that Vultures is one, but I think that's just fun. | ||
| I think vultures are definitely part of the plan. | ||
| Moonbase. | ||
| We've got a Moonbase. | ||
| That's part of the plan. | ||
| All right. | ||
| We've got Fiendish Floridators. | ||
| Oh, so that one's definitely true. | ||
| Loch Ness Monster. | ||
| Loch Ness Monster is going on. | ||
| 100% real. | ||
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| Yeah. | ||
| Let's see. | ||
| What else we got? | ||
| No. | ||
| Clone arrangers. | ||
| They arrange clones in different situations. | ||
| Xanadu. | ||
| Probably real. | ||
| That one's actually real. | ||
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We all have to wear roller skates for the rest of the day, actually. | |
| Air magic. | ||
| Right. | ||
| Just air magic. | ||
| Well, I mean, that's wind. | ||
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We just call that wind. | |
| Yeah, I mean, so, sure. | ||
| I mean, you can say whatever you want about this fun card game and what have you, but when you do, you gotta recognize what else you're implying. | ||
| Like, all of those other things must also be part of the plan. | ||
| Or maybe those things were put in to make the plan look silly. | ||
| Sure, of course. | ||
| The only real card is the pandemic card. | ||
| But you see, that's also fairly universal among a lot of conspiracy theorists. | ||
| They really think that this game... | ||
| This card game that Steve Jackson Studios put out is somehow a revelation of the plan. | ||
| So, towards the end of this, Carrie decides to go to commenters. | ||
| And one of them thinks that Nessara is bullshit. | ||
| Big shout out to this commenter. | ||
| Well, one person is questioning Nessara. | ||
| I've heard that. | ||
| The Nesara thing is actually BS. | ||
| So what do you think? | ||
| My whole life path has been about understanding the reality of that. | ||
| Jesra and Nesara and the connection with Saint Germain and the Grand Jubilee and all of that. | ||
| I've been involved my whole entire life in not only studying it, but knowing its truth. | ||
| And I see it actually unfolding in my reality. | ||
| Like, it is actually going to happen. | ||
| And, of course, there is misinformation, disinformation out there, you know, that you're going to go through. | ||
| But in the end, you will get to the truth, and then you will actually be able to not doubt what it is that you know is happening. | ||
| And I do know through my personal memories and information gathering that that is what is happening. | ||
| Donald Trump, I remember being involved with, I mean, that's what this is all about, is Nessera and Jessera. | ||
| So that would be the one thing that they would not want people to know about. | ||
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Sounds like bullshit. | |
| So, like, that there's gonna be misinformation and stuff is exactly the same thing the Dove of Oneness did when the scam was falling apart. | ||
| Don't look at that other information. | ||
| Don't believe it. | ||
| It'll track you if you go to that website. | ||
| He's not coming at it with such an intentional scam aspect as that. | ||
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Yeah, yeah, yeah. | |
| But it is the same mentality. | ||
| Don't look at the stuff. | ||
| It's misinformation. | ||
| Or, like, if you do, just know it's misinformation. | ||
| Confirmation bias as a religion. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| So I was curious. | ||
| I listened to this. | ||
| And, you know, there are a lot of those overlaps with Alex and stuff. | ||
| And so I wanted to get a little bit more information. | ||
| So I went back to his first interview with Carrie. | ||
| Because this is somebody who she is now presented as a super soldier. | ||
| Three times on her show. | ||
| The first time, if you listen to that episode, you get a ton of indications that there's something that he's dealing with. | ||
| He talks about healing himself from PTSD he had from being in Iraq. | ||
| Doing some L. Ron Hubbard stuff. | ||
| He talks about seeing a psychiatrist, and when he talked to him about stuff, the next time he came, another guy was there who was part of the Secret Space program. | ||
| Sure. | ||
| If you were a person like Harry, and you were dealing with things responsibly, you wouldn't probably have a follow-up interview. | ||
| Or you might not even put that one out to begin with. | ||
| And it's one of the reasons why I'm trying to be as careful as I can surrounding Anthony himself. | ||
| Because... | ||
| The way I kind of look at it, when you take all of it as a whole, I kind of look at him in the same way I would have looked at Jessica Schaub before she realized what she was doing didn't make sense. | ||
| I think that he still has every potential in his life to get to a point where he's living more realistically and have some more clarity about these things. | ||
| The Nesera and Jesera nonsense and all this super soldier stuff that he's fallen into. | ||
| I don't think that he is necessarily running what you'd describe as a full-scale con. | ||
| I don't think that there's... | ||
| At least, as far as I can tell, there's not wholesale bigotry going on. | ||
| There aren't the hallmarks of someone who's too far. | ||
| Well, I mean, he's fighting the Nordics, so I guess he's fine. | ||
| Potentially. | ||
| Metaphorically. | ||
| I don't see the indications of someone who's lost. | ||
| Just someone who's maybe in a bad place. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| And there are a lot of people who are allowing that and enabling it. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| No, the thing that I noticed so hard was the way Carrie was manipulating him by using those pauses after he says something. | ||
| Like, she's not allowing him to continue speaking. | ||
| And you can tell the way he recognizes the pause means, I didn't say what she needed. | ||
| I didn't say what she wanted. | ||
| And she knows that. | ||
| She's definitely exploiting him in that kind of way. | ||
| There is a sense of exploitation. | ||
| I don't like her in this circumstance at all. | ||
| No. | ||
| And of course not. | ||
| Because that's kind of a larger awareness that's important about what she does. | ||
| What this show is, on some level, is masquerading as we listen to everybody, everybody, all this. | ||
| But it's not necessarily that. | ||
| Enabling and making a business out of other people's unhealthiness. | ||
| Yeah, and just like Alex's show, what's far more important than any conversation is making sure the narrative is what she wants it to be. | ||
| Yeah, that's important. | ||
| If you do a call-in show, you can say, I've got a whole, I talk to everybody and shit like that. | ||
| If you're doing this show, you're talking to people who are going to support the things that you want or give you a sounding board to get what you want out of them. | ||
| Yeah, and I think when you dwell in this kind of a space and you're doing interviews like this, I think you have a heightened responsibility. | ||
| I think that you actually have a greater standard that you need to live up to than somebody... | ||
| like a show where you interview people who have a new book coming out, you know, about what their book is about, you know, or some sort of a mainstream talk show. | ||
| I think you have a far greater responsibility in terms of being aware that the waters you swim in attract people who are having trouble sometimes. | ||
| there is a higher likelihood of someone with an idea closer to what you believe having some sort of pathology behind it and it is important if you want to | ||
| And I find that to be offensive. | ||
| And it's people expressing pain, and she is exploiting it. | ||
| Right, and I don't know if Anthony is expressing that much pain, because I don't think, he doesn't appear to be struggling nearly as much as the people who I wouldn't cover. | ||
| Right, right, right. | ||
| Even if they had similarities to Alex or whatever, I still would be like, I'm not gonna, it's not worth it. | ||
| He seems like he's doing okay, and he's not talking about this in ways that feel like it's pain to him. | ||
| He doesn't have a completely flat ass. | ||
| where he laughs. | ||
| Like he doesn't seem like somebody who's like in a crisis. | ||
| Right, right, right, right. | ||
| But there are enough context clues to be able to be like, okay, this isn't a secret space program, super soldier. | ||
| This is somebody who believes stuff that is just read on Q and on and has some sort of a hole that this is, is satisfying. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
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And I think that it's irresponsible. | |
| If you're someone like Harry to not be hyper aware of that because you're in a position where you have a show that has an audience and you are in a position where you could take somebody who's going through something maybe is being influenced by some negative things online maybe it's a phase for them or something they're trying it out because they need something to hold on to and now there's Tens of thousands of people who have listened to their story and are giving them reinforcement. | ||
| And now you've put them in a situation where one path leads towards getting help and being healthy. | ||
| And that requires you to reject all of the endorphins and the sense of meaning that this new conspiracy world has given you. | ||
| You have to give up whatever that large crutch that's been built here. | ||
| Yeah, it's a sense of safety. | ||
| But it's false. | ||
| I understand. | ||
| That's the thing that I keep noticing so much of these people is that they cannot allow for an utterly chaotic, nonsensical universe. | ||
| It's crazy. | ||
| Somebody has to be in control. | ||
| Somebody has to be in power. | ||
| Somebody has to be orchestrating stuff. | ||
| It can't just be ludicrous psychopaths fucking... | ||
| Floundering around like me looking for the word flounder. | ||
| It's terrible. | ||
| It's just sad. | ||
| It's tough. | ||
| So we have a couple clips here of the original interview because I think there's some telling things in here that give us a little bit more insight into things that would have been like, don't... | ||
| Pursue this further, Carrie. | ||
| But she can't, because she's not very good at this, and she's super irresponsible. | ||
| She's floundering. | ||
| One of the things that gives me a strong indication that her game is not good is something she says right at the beginning. | ||
| And I'm also not one that thinks that documents can't be faked, and therefore I don't stand on documents either. | ||
| So humans are the genetic library, and we are the archival. | ||
| We're archivists, if you will, of our own history, and that's what's really important here. | ||
| So this is testimony, and testimony is admissible in a court of law. | ||
| In fact, it can even get a person thrown in jail. | ||
| So take it for what it's worth. | ||
| This is not a court of law. | ||
| This isn't testimony. | ||
| This is just someone talking. | ||
| It's testimony. | ||
| And Carrie, if you think documents can be faked, wait till I tell you about lying. | ||
| No, you can't. | ||
| No, no, no. | ||
| You can't lie. | ||
| You can't lie. | ||
| You can fake a document, but you can't lie. | ||
| That's the rule. | ||
| You have a strong distrust of documents. | ||
| People saying things. | ||
| Wow. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| I don't stand on documents because humans are the archival archivists. | ||
| Right. | ||
| So I'll just talk to Sean David Morgan. | ||
| I'll allow a fraud guy to fraud me. | ||
| Yes. | ||
| But then the court documents that demonstrate his fraud, those are all fake. | ||
| Those are all faked. | ||
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Okay. | |
| Absolutely. | ||
| This seems like a really workable system. | ||
| I want to believe what I want to believe. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| Fuck everybody else. | ||
| So in this first interview that came out about a year ago, Anthony gives a little bit of an indication of how his path down this road came to be. | ||
| My mentor, his name is Ramtha. | ||
| That's just one of the mentors that I have. | ||
| But basically, when I started waking up to being in the secret space program, I heard about Ramtha and I actually attended the school. | ||
| And that was what was being taught there was the truth. | ||
| And obviously, at the beginning, I wasn't ready to handle the full extent of what was being taught there. | ||
| Because he always says, you know, it comes in levels. | ||
| And he always says, you're not ready to handle what I'm going to tell or what I have to tell you. | ||
| Because you have to, you know, raise yourself up to the levels to be able to understand the knowledge of the truth. | ||
| So, Ramtha has come up a few times on the show in the past. | ||
| This is the 40,000-year-old Lemurian warrior spirit who's channeled by a woman named Jay-Z Knight, who's been described as racist, anti-Semitic, and a person who pretends to channel a 40,000-year-old Lemurian spirit. | ||
| Right. | ||
| She actually does have 100 problems. | ||
| So Jay-Z Knight has made a ton of money on this hustle and has been doing it for a long time. | ||
| In fact, she was doing it back when Clyde Hood's Omega scam was running. | ||
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| According to the News Tribune article about that whole affair, the attorney prosecuting the case, Steve Sanchez, quote, realized several victims were linked to Jay-Z Knight, the ethereal New Age guru who claims to channel the spirit of a 40,000-year-old warrior named Ramtha. | ||
| Later in the article, quote, That's how I became involved in it, was through the school, one student said. | ||
| I was involved in it and practically everybody else I knew at the school was involved in it. | ||
| There were tons of people involved in this on just a cash basis. | ||
| People were sending in cash. | ||
| Cash with no paperwork, no receipt, no nothing. | ||
| People were promised their money was going to come in before the next snowfall. | ||
| Probably just a coincidence that Candace Goodwin, the dove of oneness, also took classes at the Romtha School. | ||
| Cool, cool. | ||
| That's kind of what's going on here. | ||
| This Anthony guy isn't a super soldier. | ||
| He's just a guy who's fallen under the sway of a cult. | ||
| And Carrie's using him to advance her own narratives by presenting this story as genuine. | ||
| And that's really unfortunate. | ||
| Because there is a better future for this guy. | ||
| Do they ever, like, what did Rantha fight 40,000 years ago? | ||
| Like in the Atlantean battles and stuff like that? | ||
| Oh, that's the type of warrior we're talking about. | ||
| Not like he was just a guy who was trying to hunt. | ||
| No, I don't think so. | ||
| Trying to survive before the Ice Age hits. | ||
| I'm not totally sure. | ||
| Just running out the clock. | ||
| So, a lot of this stuff, like, it starts to come into focus. | ||
| It starts to make sense. | ||
| This is what's going on. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| And also, Jay-Z Knight is pretty involved in QAnon stuff, too. | ||
| Like, a promotion of the Q narrative. | ||
| And she's just allowed to roam free. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| Woof. | ||
| Yep. | ||
| Wow. | ||
| That's not good. | ||
| Nope. | ||
| Yeah, so all of this runs perfectly sensibly. | ||
| If you start to look at, okay, he... | ||
| Started to have these ideas. | ||
| He pursued this Ramtha school. | ||
| He went there, started to learn about all this stuff. | ||
| And as it turns out, that school was a hotbed of people who were involved in the Omega Trust scam. | ||
| And so, of course, he now believes in Nesera and Jesera as being involved in some kind of a magical plan Trump is using to save the world. | ||
| It all kind of makes sense, and it's sad, but... | ||
| I don't know. | ||
| Yeah, it does seem like so many of these people are just going from cult to cult. | ||
| Just like, please just take away my personal responsibility. | ||
| Please, I want nothing to do with it. | ||
| Just tell me what to do. | ||
| And remove me from having to think or feel. | ||
| That's the goal. | ||
| And I start to wonder, too, when I listen, if some of these ideas about the secret space program Super Soldier... | ||
| We're started by Carrie herself. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| In Anthony. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| Because he definitely listened to her other interviews with super soldiers. | ||
| You know, I've interviewed a fair number of super soldiers, I think you could say. | ||
| And so I guess I'm wondering if you're familiar with any of the super soldiers I've interviewed. | ||
| Like, did you watch any of those interviews? | ||
| And at the time, did it trigger you? | ||
| And also, were you aware? | ||
| That I was in my lab before I told you about it. | ||
| I mean, I think you said you heard me say it on a show, but were you aware of it before I said it or anything like that? | ||
| Yeah, I was definitely aware you were in my lab before you said it because I watched one of your interviews when you say you were in my lab, so I knew that. | ||
| And all the other super soldiers that you've interviewed, like Aaron McCullough, Max Spears, James Casbo, all of them, hearing their testimonies did support mine and help me to my awakening. | ||
| It did trigger a lot hearing the other super soldiers that you interviewed. | ||
| Those are pretty old interviews that she did early on in Camelot and throughout. | ||
| I can't help but think that maybe... | ||
| What this is is an expression of, I got into this form of oral tradition, the storytelling medium that you were engaged in with these people. | ||
| I started thinking about it all the time, I started having dreams, and then I realized that the only reason that it could possibly vibe with me this much, and why I could dream about it all the time, is because I myself must be one of those super soldiers. | ||
| It's a possibility. | ||
| Also, if there's only one answer to the question, did you know I was in my lab before I said it? | ||
| There's only one answer to that question. | ||
| If you answer that wrong, get out of the game. | ||
| Get out of the game. | ||
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So, Jordan, do you think that you could beat up a super soldier? | |
| I mean, I'm not really Nordic. | ||
| You know, I'm more Irish, so... | ||
| But do you think... | ||
| So you don't think you could beat up a super soldier, right? | ||
| I mean, I would assume that since I am not a super soldier, what is the point of having a super soldier if I could defeat one? | ||
| Well, I don't know if you could, but I should tell you that from 2011 to 2018, Anthony Zender was an MMA fighter. | ||
| Okay, how did he do? | ||
| His record was 6-12. | ||
| 6-12? | ||
| That tracks with how many times he's been... | ||
| It's a 33% win rate. | ||
| That's why he gets caught out when he's spying. | ||
| He's terrible at it. | ||
| His last fight was a 38-second knockout that he lost. | ||
| Like, if you're a super soldier, you're not going to lose 12 MMA fights. | ||
| Yeah, I would hope not. | ||
| I would hope not. | ||
| Unless all MMA fighters are super soldiers. | ||
| That is a possibility. | ||
| That's a possibility. | ||
| So then, from 2018 to 2020, his most recent fight was February 14th, 2020, he started boxing. | ||
| Okay. | ||
| He became a boxer. | ||
| Okay. | ||
| And his current record is 1-7. | ||
| Okay, that's not great. | ||
| That's not great. | ||
| His second most recent fight was on December 5th, 2019, and he got knocked out by a debuting boxer. | ||
| Okay. | ||
| Guy in his first fight. | ||
| Okay. | ||
| So he won his first boxing match back in 2018, in January 2018. | ||
| And since then, all seven have been losses three times knocked out. | ||
| Three times knocked out? | ||
| Yes. | ||
| Oh, that's not good. | ||
| No. | ||
| That's really bad. | ||
| No. | ||
| You shouldn't be knocked out once. | ||
| No. | ||
| I mean, for your brain. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| I would assume that in the martial arts, in the realm of pugilism, someone... | ||
| and had the black goo put at them and all of that, you would assume might be unbeatable. | ||
| And it seems to me very difficult to square that with losing records in boxing and in MMA going back to 2011. | ||
| I mean, I guess part of his super soldier thing, though, is that he's in an interdimensional body, too. | ||
| See, but it's not always. | ||
| It's not always. | ||
| That's why it's really difficult. | ||
| Right. | ||
| Because that stuff, when it's in a different body, in a different dimension or whatever, totally. | ||
| Yeah, yeah, yeah. | ||
| But the problem is that his real body was kidnapped at six and trained and had the goo put in him and stuff. | ||
| And now it's just getting all the shit kicked out of it, yeah. | ||
| Right. | ||
| It's difficult for me to square. | ||
| And again, I'm not making fun of him. | ||
| It's just that that is a real-life thing. | ||
| That kind of makes this story hard to believe. | ||
| No, I mean more like there's permanent brain damage that comes with being knocked out that many times. | ||
| That's some serious shit. | ||
| I think that that would be a tough assumption to make, but it's certainly not outside of the realm of something maybe to be considered. | ||
| I don't know. | ||
| I don't know enough. | ||
| Certainly, if you were boxing in the, like, 80s, or, like, doing, you know, pro wrestling back when they did unprotected headshots with chairs and stuff, then, yes, I'd be far more concerned. | ||
| But since he started fighting in 2011, maybe, I don't know. | ||
| We've evolved a long ways in fairly recent history in terms of, like, understanding concussions. | ||
| For sure, for sure. | ||
| A little bit better, but, yeah, I don't know. | ||
| He tracks decently well. | ||
| In listening to these interviews, outside of times when he clearly doesn't know which Kennedy is being discussed, that I don't think is any kind of cognition problem. | ||
| He doesn't know the stories. | ||
| He's perfectly capable of communicating and telling a story that has a beginning, middle, and end. | ||
| I don't know. | ||
| I don't see any indications of any diminished. | ||
| Does he ever... | ||
| Has anybody ever asked him about the MMA and the boxing and stuff? | ||
| Or has Kerry ever asked him about that stuff? | ||
| He's done other interviews with other people that I haven't listened to, so I don't know if it comes up in those. | ||
| Because that seems like a different... | ||
| How are you training all the time for MMA and also being a super soldier that's transferring from dimension to dimension? | ||
| It's not important. | ||
| Hanging out with Trump. | ||
| It's not important, probably. | ||
| Oh, that's a good answer. | ||
| That's a good answer. | ||
| I didn't think of that answer. | ||
| Wave away. | ||
| Those aren't the droids you're looking for. | ||
| Fair. | ||
| I don't recall it coming up in Carrie's interviews. | ||
| I didn't watch the second one. | ||
| I only watched the first and the third. | ||
| Gotcha. | ||
| I just didn't have time. | ||
| So, a couple more clips here from the original interview, which make things very confusing for me. | ||
| In this, Anthony talks about a raid that he went on. | ||
| Now, let's remember the alignments of the people who are supposedly his superiors. | ||
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Yeah. | |
| This is very confusing. | ||
| I had a recall where I was in a black ops gear and everything. | ||
| I was with two squads of operators, and we were in a sewer, and we were obviously doing a raid. | ||
| And then I actually saw that the next day, Q, which is QAnon, posted it up, that there was actually a raid on a Clinton stronghold in Borneo. | ||
| And I just kind of, I was like, okay, if I had this memory recall, and then this thing was posted up about this raid on a Borneo stronghold, I definitely believe that I was involved in that. | ||
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Okay. | |
| So that's, he had a dream, and he... | ||
| Saw a Q post and decided he was there. | ||
| I like that math. | ||
| That checks out for me. | ||
| So the secret space program super soldiers are running raids against Clinton. | ||
| Yes. | ||
| I don't know. | ||
| I can't keep track of this. | ||
| I think alliances and such change over time. | ||
| In their world, everybody's eating people for chocolate. | ||
| Who knows? | ||
| Nessera requires strange bedfellows. | ||
| So this next clip makes me think that Anthony is probably a decent-hearted person who actually, to an extent, believes the things that he's saying. | ||
| Because otherwise, I don't know why you would make this up. | ||
| Okay, now you said you also were involved in... | ||
| I wasn't sure if you were talking past life. | ||
| Were you involved in Hitler's Germany? | ||
| You seem to be involved in the Nazi situation? | ||
| Yes, yes. | ||
| But from my understanding, I was infiltrated as a Nazi because I've had many memories of being with Nazis. | ||
| And as far as I'm concerned, who I worked for, I was infiltrated in on the Nazis. | ||
| You know, gathering intel and all that. | ||
| But I do definitely have, you know, I believe that my past life was as a Nazi. | ||
| Oh, you do? | ||
| Carrie's response is exactly what someone's response would be. | ||
| Oh, boy! | ||
| Oh, you do? | ||
| Oh! | ||
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Okay. | |
| You wouldn't make that up, probably, because even if you are presenting it as I was infiltrating them to get information, it's still a dicey road to walk. | ||
| Yeah, I wouldn't. | ||
| It still opens up a... | ||
| I really feel like that should have been a very obvious question to answer as well. | ||
| Were you a Nazi? | ||
| Well, is not the way to go. | ||
| I was a spy. | ||
| Okay. | ||
| I think I was a spy. | ||
| Exactly. | ||
| You better know. | ||
| And I've spent a lot of time with Nazis. | ||
| But you can even tell a recognition in the way that he's talking of like... | ||
| This is bad. | ||
| But he's probably had some dreams where he was embedded with the Nazis. | ||
| Yeah, and if he was in the military, he's definitely embedded with some Nazis. | ||
| And it makes total sense when you consider the sort of way that he conceives of his role as being this spy who goes and infiltrates the Umbrella Corporation. | ||
| What more evil thing is there than the Nazis? | ||
| So obviously, if I was doing secret work, I would have been doing that. | ||
| If there was a thing to infiltrate, it would have been Hitler's Germany. | ||
| Man, if he weren't such a bad spy, maybe we could have taken down the Nazis a lot earlier. | ||
| He probably blew his cover, and that was the whole Valkyrie thing. | ||
| We got Tom Cruise involved now. | ||
| This whole thing is terrible. | ||
| I'm telling you. | ||
| We gotta get better spies. | ||
| That must be what happened. | ||
| So yeah, I don't know. | ||
| But to me, that's sort of an indication of a non-maliciousness. | ||
| Because he's bringing up the Nazis almost like a... | ||
| Uh, good that I, I had to have been involved in trying to take them down, which is a pure heartedness on some level. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| I might be reading too much into it, but you would never bring that up if you were just trying to come up with, I feel like you just leave that off the resume. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| Especially. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| Cause you're, you're really retconning there too. | ||
| If you're like in my dreams, in my past life, I w I would remember being around a lot of Nazis. | ||
| So I'm assuming that I was a spy. | ||
| Because that leaves a lot of open to interpretation kind of areas right there. | ||
| Yeah, that is a little... | ||
| I mean, it's tough. | ||
| But that's it. | ||
| That's almost a reconciliation. | ||
| He's like, in my past life I was a Nazi. | ||
| I know they're bad now. | ||
| So I'm going to hope. | ||
| That my past life knew they were bad as well. | ||
| You gotta assume. | ||
| So we have one last clip here from that interview, the original one, and I just left this in because I think it's funny. | ||
| It's Anthony, he brings up that he, watching the X-Files, it's very triggering for him because everything in it is true and everything is real. | ||
| And Carrie's response to this is pretty funny. | ||
| Oh yeah, and the X-Files is, I mean, that triggers me so much because that's just all the truth. | ||
| You know, my favorite X-Files is Logan. | ||
| You know, the Logan one. | ||
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No! | |
| No! | ||
| Mexico. | ||
| You know, the wolf guy. | ||
| What's his name? | ||
| Anyway, it's all about Logan. | ||
| He's the guy who has the swords for the arms. | ||
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Oh, okay, yeah. | |
| No, I mean, it's all in there. | ||
| It's all in the X-Files, like they say. | ||
| Yeah, it is. | ||
| The two of them are not communicating about the same thing. | ||
| Draw me what you think you're telling me, Kerry. | ||
| I want sword arms. | ||
| I want a wolf guy. | ||
| Yeah, he's a wolf guy. | ||
| I want it all. | ||
| I want it all. | ||
| That's my favorite X-Files. | ||
| It's a great X-Files. | ||
| That's a good file of X-Men. | ||
| It's pretty interesting to me that someone whose career is in this space seems to be oblivious about what the X-Files are and thinks they're the X-Men. | ||
| And also doesn't know what the X-Men are. | ||
| Doesn't know who Wolverine is. | ||
| If your favorite movie's Logan, you don't even know his name is Wolverine? | ||
| Don't even know Weapon X. It's very strange to me. | ||
| I mean, it's a great movie, but come on. | ||
| I think that is so fucking funny. | ||
| My favorite X-File is Logan. | ||
| My favorite X-File is Logan. | ||
| Delightful stuff. | ||
| She should sell that as a t-shirt. | ||
| I would buy one of those. | ||
| So this episode, it was a little bit difficult. | ||
| Sort of trying to figure out exactly how you'd look at this. | ||
| But I think that there's enough stuff in there that makes it interesting. | ||
| And Carrie is the bad person. | ||
| Squarely. | ||
| And Anthony is somebody who I think you can look at with compassion to an extent. | ||
| Based on what we know about. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| And not treat as anybody else. | ||
| Then somebody who's fallen into something that is way deeper waters than maybe it appeared at first. | ||
| Getting involved with Romtha and the Jay-Z Knight nonsense and the QAnon and now being sort of enabled by a high-profile internet. | ||
| It's very difficult. | ||
| And I don't know. | ||
| It's tough to figure out exactly where the line is of how much empathy people deserve. | ||
| Because he's still putting out messages that are destructive. | ||
| There's still a coronavirus denialism. | ||
| There's still all kinds of... | ||
| Paving the way for Trump's authoritarian moves. | ||
| There's still denial about that. | ||
| And that's still really bad. | ||
| That still needs to be countered with a full-throated rejection and denouncement. | ||
| But I think someone like this, you can take a lot of context clues to see exactly how this came to be. | ||
| It's hard not to feel bad for the guy. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| Same way as, like, you know, you hear about somebody whose dad or mom watched too much Fox News and became something that's almost unrecognizable. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| Like, yes, the thing is bad, but you kind of have a lot of empathy for the path that you maybe didn't know you were going down. | ||
| Yeah, no. | ||
| I mean, my family is a great example of people who have been manipulated by... | ||
| All of this right-wing nonsense. | ||
| But, you know, they want to believe that shit, too. | ||
| So it's like... | ||
| That complicates it further. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| Project Camelot is way more fun when she's exploiting murderers and fraudsters. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| But when she's exploiting somebody like this, it's like... | ||
| Now we have a clear villain. | ||
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And... | |
| She's bad. | ||
| She's bad. | ||
| But it's part of it. | ||
| Absolutely. | ||
| I'm glad that we did this because I don't want to give the impression that Project Camelot is relatively benign in that kind of sense as well. | ||
| This show is destructive along the same lines as Infowars. | ||
| Perhaps. | ||
| Not more so because obviously Alex's audience is larger but a lot of the things that are covered On her show are maybe more insidious because to certain minded people, they're so much more attractive. | ||
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Yeah. | |
| Like the escapism and the potential of like, I have superpowers. | ||
| Right. | ||
| All this kind of stuff is very much like... | ||
| I have swords for arms. | ||
| Right. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| You can get drawn into that and it's really seductive and really attractive. | ||
| And then the real world ramifications of it are things like... | ||
| Coronavirus denialism, Trump boosterism, QAnon belief. | ||
| Those things are where the road leads. | ||
| And it's not that much different than Alex. | ||
| Except you would yell about QAnon a bit. | ||
| It's the most infuriating thing to know that these people are clinging to these conspiracy theories and the idea that Trump is not an amoral monster as a way of feeling safe. | ||
| And in control of things, or at least somebody being in control of things, and yet that very feeling of safety is what's killing you. | ||
| I feel safe because I think Trump is not an amoral monster, and because he is, you're not safe. | ||
| It's infuriating. | ||
| You're the vector by which your lack of safety becomes assured. | ||
| Well, that's the modern crisis. | ||
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Yeah! | |
| Yeah! | ||
| Shit! | ||
| Needed to take a little break from Alex, and unfortunately, this is what Project Camelot had to offer. | ||
| Not quite as uplifting as maybe a Mark Richards journey would be, but still interesting on some level. | ||
| Which is what I aspire for. | ||
| Interesting on some level. | ||
| That's my next tattoo. | ||
| Anyway, we'll be back, Jordan. | ||
| But until then, we have a website. | ||
| We do have a website. | ||
| It's KnowledgeFight.com. | ||
| Yes, we are also on Twitter. | ||
| We are on Twitter. | ||
| It's at KnowledgeFight and I go to bed, Jordan. | ||
| Yep, we are also on Facebook. | ||
| We are on Facebook. | ||
| Download the show. | ||
| Go to iTunes, rate, review, donate. | ||
| And if you would like, please find a local charity in your area and donate to them. | ||
| Yep, absolutely. | ||
| We'll be back. | ||
| But until next time, I'm Neo. | ||
| I'm Leo. | ||
| I'm DZXClark. | ||
| I am in a throuple with Nessera and Jessera. | ||
| Andy in Kansas, you're on the air. | ||
| Thanks for holding. | ||
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Hello, Alex. | |
| I'm a first time caller. | ||
| I'm a huge fan. | ||
| I love your work. |