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May 8, 2020 - Knowledge Fight
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#430: May 5-7, 2020

Today, Dan and Jordan discuss a couple episodes from this week on The Alex Jones Show. In this installment, Alex continues his coronavirus games, decides that maybe the world doesn't deserve to know who Q is, and dips his toe into a hot new viral conspiracy sensation.

Participants
Main voices
a
alex jones
15:58
d
dan friesen
01:00:23
j
jordan holmes
14:16
Appearances
r
robert barnes
01:39
Clips
d
david knight
00:20
m
mike adams
00:06
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Speaker Time Text
unidentified
I'm sick of them posing as if they're the good guys, saying we are the bad guys.
alex jones
Knowledge fight.
unidentified
Dan and Jordan.
Knowledge.
Fight.
Need.
Need money.
Andy in Kansas.
alex jones
Andy in Kansas.
unidentified
Stop it.
alex jones
Andy in Kansas.
Andy in Kansas.
It's time to pray.
Andy in Kansas.
You're on the air.
Thanks for holding.
unidentified
Hello, Alex.
I'm a first time caller in the future.
I love you.
dan friesen
Hey, everybody.
Welcome back to Knowledge Fight.
I'm Dan.
We're a couple dudes who like to sit around, drink novelty beverages, and talk just a tiny little bit about Alex Jones.
jordan holmes
Oh, indeed we are, Dan.
dan friesen
Jordan.
jordan holmes
Dan?
dan friesen
Jordan.
jordan holmes
Quick question.
dan friesen
Yep, what's up?
jordan holmes
What's your bright spot this week?
alex jones
Today.
dan friesen
Today, my bright spot is, I don't know what I was listening to, and it might have been even a ways in the past, but it jumped into my mind, and I love it.
An expression for a length of time, when you call it a cup of coffee.
jordan holmes
Baseball?
unidentified
Yeah.
jordan holmes
He had a cup of coffee in the majors?
dan friesen
Exactly.
unidentified
Yeah, yeah.
dan friesen
He was at the Dodgers for a cup of coffee and then he moved over to the Yates.
I love that.
I've been thinking about it a ton and every time I smile.
I don't know why.
It's such a funny turn of phrase.
jordan holmes
It's just an idiom that you love.
dan friesen
I like it.
That's a good bright spot.
I hope everyone has a good time thinking about that.
jordan holmes
Honestly, this bright spot.
Pretty short.
It's a cup of coffee, honestly.
dan friesen
Yeah, enjoy that for a cup of coffee, and then move on to another bright spot.
Like Jordan's.
jordan holmes
What's yours?
Adventure Time.
dan friesen
You already did that one.
jordan holmes
I did not, did I?
No shit!
dan friesen
Oh my god, no way.
jordan holmes
No, I think that was Steven Universe.
unidentified
Oh, it might have been.
I'm sorry.
jordan holmes
I apologize.
Rebecca Sugar also worked on Adventure Time, though.
dan friesen
That was why I said that.
jordan holmes
Yeah, it's basically the same thing.
But it's great.
I've watched seven seasons in like three days.
It's fantastic.
Ten minutes long.
unidentified
Perfect.
dan friesen
Love it.
Glad you're enjoying it.
jordan holmes
Watch Adventure Time.
Strongly recommend.
dan friesen
I won't, but not because I don't want to, just because I don't watch anything.
I don't have time.
Too much Alex Jones to listen to.
jordan holmes
Not a cup of coffee on that.
dan friesen
No.
unidentified
A pot of coffee on Alex.
dan friesen
So, Jordan, today we've got an interesting episode to go over.
We're going to be talking about May 5th through 7th, 2020.
I'm Dan.
This is 2020.
Goddammit.
unidentified
Baby!
dan friesen
I intended just to do the 5th and the 6th, but Alex was only in studio for the first hour of the 6th.
He jumped off air to take care of other business, and I was like, well, let's check in on the 7th and see what happens.
So, we will be going over that, but before we do, Jordan, we're going to take a little moment to say thank you to some folks who've signed up and are supporting the show.
And check in on the Year of the Seltzer.
jordan holmes
Of course.
dan friesen
So first, Karen.
Thank you so much.
You are now a policy wonk.
alex jones
I'm a policy wonk.
jordan holmes
Thank you, Karen.
dan friesen
Thank you, Karen.
Next, Mitch.
Thank you so much.
You are now a policy wonk.
alex jones
I'm a policy wonk.
jordan holmes
Thanks, Mitch.
dan friesen
Thank you, Mitch.
Next, Henry, thank you so much.
You are now a policy wonk.
alex jones
I'm a policy wonk.
jordan holmes
Thanks, Hank.
dan friesen
I was gonna say that.
Next, Maya.
Thank you so much.
You are now a policy wonk.
alex jones
I'm a policy wonk.
jordan holmes
Thanks, Hank.
unidentified
I was gonna say that.
dan friesen
Next, Julian.
Thank you so much.
You're now a policy walker.
alex jones
I'm a policy wonk.
jordan holmes
Thank you, Julian.
dan friesen
Thank you, Julian.
Next, I hope this name doesn't denote something untoward, but N.C. Infidel, thank you so much.
You are now a policy wonk.
alex jones
I'm a policy wonk.
jordan holmes
Thank you, N.C. Infidel.
dan friesen
I pray that's not a horrible reference to something.
jordan holmes
Yeah, we suddenly just said a white nationalist thing.
dan friesen
Oh, man.
jordan holmes
Oh, boy.
dan friesen
And Zeke, thank you so much.
You are now a policy wonk.
alex jones
I'm a policy wonk.
jordan holmes
Thank, Zeke.
dan friesen
Thank you, Zeke.
And then finally, I'd like to say thank you to a couple people who signed up on an elevated level.
We appreciate that very much.
So first, Cassie, thank you so much.
You are now a technocrat.
And, ooh, I remember this name, Reagan, who is nothing like her namesake.
Thank you so much.
You are now a technocrat.
alex jones
I'm a policy wonk.
Crikey, mate, that's fantastic.
Have yourself a brew.
How's your 401k doing, bro?
All right, we got to go full tilt boogie on this, Watson, all right?
Let's just get down to business.
We ain't making that money off that heroin.
Why are you pimps so good?
My neck is freakishly large.
I declare Infowar on you.
dan friesen
Thank you so much, Cassie, and thank you so much, Reagan, who is nothing like her namesake.
jordan holmes
Yes!
Thank you very much to the both of you.
dan friesen
If you're out there listening and you're thinking, hey, I enjoy the show, I'd like to support what these gents do, you can do that by going over to our website, knowledgefight.com.
Click the button to support the show.
We would appreciate it.
Or you could find a local charity in your area that's helping out people in need and take that generosity over in that direction.
jordan holmes
Yes, we would appreciate either.
dan friesen
And also, we haven't mentioned this on the show in a while, but apologies.
We are about two months behind from donation to Shoutout.
We have a backlog of folks.
We're trying to find the best ways to get closer to current but it is a hassle.
For us, I don't want to sit here and just press that button over and over again.
jordan holmes
Sure, sure, sure.
We're working on it.
We have ideas.
dan friesen
We do.
Hopefully to be enacted in the near future.
So, Jordan, checking in on the year of the seltzer.
jordan holmes
Okay.
How we doing?
dan friesen
We've picked steam back up.
jordan holmes
Do we have some highlights, or are we on strong low-light territory?
dan friesen
Well, I will say we're now at 34, so we are ahead of pace.
Alright, that's good.
Right now, we're in the middle of week three.
unidentified
Uh-huh.
dan friesen
Because Sunday is the official end of the week, because we started this on 420.
jordan holmes
I'll tell you.
I'll tell you something.
I like a certain idiom, and that is that things are going well until the dog days of summer, Dan.
dan friesen
Okay.
Yeah, that might be the case.
But that's why I'm keeping things like Polar and a lot of the LaCroix and a lot of those that have tons of varieties, keeping that as an option for later as those dog days of summer come.
unidentified
For sure.
dan friesen
So we're at 34, ahead of pace, and I gotta say, this is gonna piss off the purists.
This is going to trigger these seltzer purists.
But I will say that something I'm very excited about is I went really far afield for some of the candidates this week.
And I found this brand called Petal that is flower-based.
jordan holmes
Petal?
dan friesen
Oh, okay.
jordan holmes
Not Petal.
dan friesen
No.
Well, Petal.
jordan holmes
A Petal?
dan friesen
Yes.
Like a flower Petal.
jordan holmes
A Petal?
dan friesen
Yes.
jordan holmes
To sell something?
dan friesen
No.
P-E-T-A-L.
I'm about to get stabbed.
Yes.
So each of the ones that they have are like flowers.
I decided that they are seltzer because they're carbonated.
They're bubbly.
They're mostly water with just some flavor in it.
unidentified
Right, right, right.
dan friesen
So I think they count, even if maybe some people would disagree.
But I have tried two of them.
I have some other ones waiting.
The ones I tried were the lychee rose flavor, which was pretty good.
Put that in at a 69 out of 100.
jordan holmes
Ooh, nice.
dan friesen
And then I tried the Lemongrass Dandelion.
jordan holmes
Interesting.
dan friesen
That has a little bit of a splash of strawberry in it.
unidentified
Okay.
dan friesen
I found that one to be a bit better.
Put it in at a 72. Okay.
Crossed the 70 threshold.
jordan holmes
All right.
That's not bad.
dan friesen
Very interesting.
jordan holmes
Yeah.
I believe that.
dan friesen
The idea of having fruit, not fruit, but flower flavors.
jordan holmes
Yeah.
dan friesen
It's very, like, there's an aromatic quality to it that I really enjoy.
jordan holmes
That's interesting.
unidentified
Yeah.
dan friesen
I appreciate something that is a bit different.
It's not.
Great.
Like, it's not...
jordan holmes
It didn't cross 75. 75 is huge.
dan friesen
Well, there are a couple more flavors in the fridge waiting to be tried, and maybe one of those will go...
Like, there's one that's mint rose that I'm holding off on, because I think that could be...
jordan holmes
That could be something.
dan friesen
That could be, like, just completely nuts.
jordan holmes
Yeah.
dan friesen
And we'll see.
But yeah, I respect the hustle.
It's pretty good.
unidentified
Yeah.
jordan holmes
All right.
dan friesen
So, that's been the Year of the Seltzer.
Jordan, we're going to start here on May 5th, Cinco de Mayo.
jordan holmes
Of course.
dan friesen
Alex is in full celebratory mode.
jordan holmes
Oh boy.
dan friesen
He is not.
There's no mention of...
jordan holmes
Of course not.
dan friesen
He's not drinking any tequila or listening to any mariachi.
It's just normal-ass Alex Jones.
jordan holmes
I don't think he can even bring himself to speak that little bit of Spanish.
dan friesen
No, probably not.
But he has mentioned that he likes tacos in the past, and therefore he is not racist.
jordan holmes
Can't be racist.
dan friesen
Yep.
So we start with Alex saying that he's cool, not wanting to take vaccines, and he has a good source on this.
alex jones
Michael Savage, who is a doctor, came out and said he will not be taking the COVID-19 vaccine and that it's very, very dangerous.
And I concur with him as well, and he goes over the reasons for that.
So we've got a clip of that.
dan friesen
So Michael Savage does have a PhD degree, so he's not just one of these cats we run into so constantly who just calls himself a doctor for fun.
jordan holmes
Right.
dan friesen
However, Savage is not a medical doctor, so no one should be listening to what he says about vaccines or medical decisions that you would take on yourself.
Savage has a bachelor's in biology, two master's degrees in botany and anthropology, and his PhD is in nutritional ethnomedicine.
His dissertation was on the botanical and nutritional health practices in Fiji, including an enumeration of, quote, the medicinal applications of 188 plant species found in Fiji.
It's a cool area of study, and I am sure Savage had a lot of fun researching it, probably getting to go hang out in Fiji back in the 70s.
Still, he is not a medical doctor, yet Alex is just pretending he is because it helps him make his predetermined conclusion, which is doctors are coming out saying these are bad needles.
So under his real name, Michael Allen Wiener, Savage has published a ton of books about non-medicine medicine, and weirdly a 1984 book called Getting Off Cocaine.
These books were published...
jordan holmes
Did it work?
dan friesen
I don't know if he's ever been a drug guy.
He did hang out with a lot of beatniks and Timothy Leary back in the LSD days.
jordan holmes
If he was on the electric Kool-Aid acid bust, I'm going to be really pissed.
dan friesen
I don't think he was, but he hung out with a lot of them because specifically he didn't do drugs.
I don't know all the details, but he hung out with Ginsburg and shit.
jordan holmes
He was the straight edge guy.
Who's taking care of people.
dan friesen
I get the sense that that's the case.
jordan holmes
Gotcha.
dan friesen
So maybe the book wasn't about him getting off cocaine so much as, like, eat this plant, it'll help you get off cocaine.
jordan holmes
That does sound right.
dan friesen
So these books were published between 1972 and 1995, but also from 1991 onward, he published his hate-filled right-wing screeds under his Michael Savage alias.
Starting with 1991's The Death of the White Male, A Case Against Affirmative Action.
unidentified
Boo!
Yeah.
dan friesen
Weird that for a few years there, he was writing both hard-right polemics and books like Healing Children Naturally and Herbs That Heal.
Michael Savage is a strange fucking dude.
jordan holmes
Destroying the healthcare system in order to heal children with plants.
dan friesen
Yeah.
He is a weirdo.
Anyway, my point here is that Michael Savage is not a medical doctor, and his concerns about the potential future coronavirus vaccine are completely meaningless.
So, of course, Alex.
jordan holmes
Yeah, that sounds right.
dan friesen
So, Alex talks about something that is pretty normal on his show at this point, pretty normal piece of rhetoric and argument that he's been making, and that is the whole, all deaths are being counted as COVID deaths.
jordan holmes
Right, right, right, right.
dan friesen
That seems to be a pretty consistent piece of his narratives.
He talks about it a little bit here.
alex jones
They're attributing almost all the deaths to COVID-19.
So if you look at it, it's a regular daily death rate in each of these countries, but they're just contributing all the deaths to it.
We now know it is an ultra-massive hoax.
dan friesen
So that's absolutely not true on a number of levels.
First, the thing about calling all deaths COVID-19 is just something Alex is making up based on him misrepresenting something Dr. Burke said a while back.
But leaving that aside, his claim that there is a normal number of deaths is demonstrably not true.
And he had Francis Boyle on his show not two days before this explaining that very fact.
Boyle pointed to a couple of articles in the Financial Times where they analyzed all cause death statistics in 14 countries that they could get data from.
And they found that the number of deaths in almost all of them were hugely outpacing the long-term averages for the same time period.
Italy saw a 90% increase.
Spain, 72%.
The UK, 61%.
Belgium, 60%.
Netherlands, 52%.
There were some big jumps found, and these jumps got even more extreme when they focused in on local regions where there were higher concentrations of people and they had seen outbreaks.
New York City reflected a 386% increase in deaths compared to the long-term average, which was still behind the Bergamo province in Italy, which had a 496% increase.
These numbers require further study, but the biggest point to be made is that Alex trying to say that death numbers are the same as they always are is a complete lie.
There's no way around this.
He's telling his audience something that's the opposite of reality.
jordan holmes
That's just so fucked.
That's just so fucked.
We're fucked, Dan.
It's fucked.
Everything's fucked.
We're fucked.
This is fucked.
I don't know how more I can say.
dan friesen
Like when Alex is coming on air and just literally saying something that is the opposite of reality and at the same time the opposite of something he's had a quote-unquote trusted expert on saying.
It's very disheartening.
So we get into this next clip here, and Alex sets up something that he's going to pay off later.
And I'll be honest, the payoff to this, I basically fell asleep.
alex jones
We're going to have David Knight in studio.
jordan holmes
Fair enough.
alex jones
Lay out a large spectrum of official graphs put out by the Bill and Melinda Gates Foundation, by the...
Royal society over in England, all of them giant, complete frauds because they're lying on purpose in a systematic way to create as much fear and control as possible and to force a forced inoculation as early as 2020.
dan friesen
So it's all fun and games for Alex to get on air now that most of the country has followed the recommendations that would be needed to avoid the worst-case scenarios that are depicted in those graphs and predictions and do a whole big show about how the graphs and predictions were an elaborate fraud.
It's all fun and games for him because nothing means anything on this show.
Also, if these graphs and projections that were being put out were intentionally designed to increase fear and to force a vaccine, what does Alex think about Mike Adams' self-made projection which Alex reported on on his show?
Mike's model showed 2 million people dead by July if nothing was done.
Of course, Alex reported that as an official model showing 2 million dead by July, and then he had to be corrected by Mike that this was a model that represented what would happen if no one did anything to mitigate the virus's spread.
When Alex covered this model Mike had made, it was back in early March, when the editorial line at InfoWars was to lean into the virus is going to kill everyone narrative.
unidentified
Cell phone!
dan friesen
So even with Mike's numbers being 2 million dead by July, Alex reported it as just being a projection.
It actually possibly could be worse.
alex jones
Now the models are at millions and millions dying.
I think there's a new computer model out that shows two plus dead million people by July.
But again, these are just models.
Other Lancet models show 15% death rates, not 2%.
dan friesen
So he's saying that Lancet says it's 15% in order to make it sound worse than Mike's 2 million dead by July graph.
And then, when Mike was on the show, he explicitly says that his numbers are a great underestimation of the real death numbers.
mike adams
It's way worse than the numbers I've already printed.
unidentified
It's way worse.
mike adams
I just dare not print them because...
unidentified
It's a popular thing.
alex jones
And the former CDC head says they don't know what's wrong.
They don't know why it's being intentionally botched.
Because they're covering it up from the president to blame him when it explodes.
unidentified
This is their next...
jordan holmes
Or murder.
unidentified
Russia failed.
Impeachment failed.
This is their next attempt.
mike adams
The CDC is trying to take out Trump.
unidentified
That's what's happening.
alex jones
Mike, thank you so much.
Wow.
Well, hope for the worst.
Prepare.
Hope for the worst.
That's what the globalists hope for.
I hope for the best.
Prepare for the worst.
The globalists are hoping for the worst to try to overthrow America.
It's just sick.
dan friesen
That was from back on March 6th because everything was very different for them back then.
jordan holmes
Yeah, yeah, yeah.
dan friesen
So what was all that?
Was that part of this elaborate fraud that Bill and Melinda Gates were pulling?
Because it seems like a worse, even more sensational version of the graphs and projections that were coming out around that time.
Was this Alex and the health ranger trying to so panic and force people into a mandatory vaccine?
Or was it just some sort of a food bucket salesmanship act that...
Let me guess the latter.
unidentified
If you look on the x-axis, you'll see a data point.
jordan holmes
Higher.
dan friesen
Is this your David Knight impression?
jordan holmes
Recommended.
dan friesen
Him being really mad about a graph?
Stop it.
unidentified
Stop it.
jordan holmes
So exciting.
dan friesen
So Alex gets to complaining about Governor Northam because he remembered that he likes doing that impression.
unidentified
Sure.
dan friesen
Keep the baby coatable at the thing.
So he does that a little bit here.
alex jones
Governor Northam, who used to run the baby harvesting program in Virginia.
That's why he went on TV and said...
We don't need law enforcement and government involved.
It's between the doctors and the mother.
Notice she doesn't say father.
And the mother decides to terminate and not resuscitate.
That's a technical term.
The baby's alive and fine.
Then we keep them comfortable while they harvest the organs.
Keep them alive sometimes two weeks.
They have a special ward.
Okay, we took care of your baby.
It's gone now.
It's in a ward.
They wait until the order's coming for the organs.
Keep them comfortable.
And those nurses are making half million apiece.
Really?
Sure.
Now, I know this all sounds shocking, ladies and gentlemen.
dan friesen
Quite.
jordan holmes
Yes.
alex jones
Remember Austin, Texas, Dallas, Texas, Chicago, Illinois, New York City, Los Angeles, California.
Remember all the 60 Minutes pieces?
There were five or six of them in the 90s about them caught killing patients for their organs.
A guy would go in from a car wreck talking.
But he was healthy and they happened to have somebody that wanted that liver?
Yo ass did.
So.
dan friesen
So.
Indeed.
jordan holmes
So we've got millionaire nurses.
dan friesen
Half a million.
jordan holmes
Which nurses notoriously overpaid.
dan friesen
I looked up the average salary for neonatal nurses.
jordan holmes
Five bucks a year.
dan friesen
It's like 60 something thousand.
unidentified
Yeah.
dan friesen
So it would be ten times.
jordan holmes
Yeah.
dan friesen
Basically the average.
jordan holmes
Brutal.
dan friesen
So, pretty much all that stuff Alex was saying about Governor Northam and the salaries of neonatal nurses comes straight out of his imagination, so I'm just going to ignore that shit.
The thing I want to focus on here is Alex's claims that there were a ton of organ harvesting scandals in the 90s, which is what he's using to lend credibility to the outlandish claim he's making about current-day organ harvesting happening at hospitals under the guise of abortion.
I've looked into it a bit and from what I can tell, this is Alex misrepresenting something that I suspect he never actually understood in the first place, which is organ donation standards.
The whole, don't sign an organ donor card because if you do, they'll let you die in the ER to take your organs thing, that's a super old urban legend.
And it's honestly probably the actual basis for Alex's narrative here.
He said in the past that his dad told him that at hospitals they do that, so you can chalk that up as another point on the board for weird things he believes just because his dad said so.
jordan holmes
Yeah, yeah.
dan friesen
It's like, you're a dentist.
jordan holmes
I think that's what they did to RoboCop.
I don't think he was actually going to die.
I think they fucked him over.
dan friesen
Is that right?
jordan holmes
Yeah.
dan friesen
I imagine Alex's dad being like, shit, this guy needs a root canal.
unidentified
Let him die.
jordan holmes
Kill him!
dan friesen
Kill him!
I need his liver.
jordan holmes
I need his teeth!
We'll make a necklace from them.
dan friesen
I need this guy's gums.
Let him go.
jordan holmes
Just harvesting gums.
Where would you put them?
dan friesen
You always need more gums.
So beyond the urban legend aspect, I was able to find a New York Times article from 1997 that deals with some of the controversy that was happening in the field of organ donation that I think Alex is misrepresenting and misremembering.
Maybe both?
Probably both.
Traditionally, the standard that had been used to determine when a person who'd consented to have their organs given to others in need, the point when it could be done was after their heart stopped beating and it didn't resume.
That was a long while back.
jordan holmes
Okay, because I thought it started at sprained ankle.
dan friesen
No.
jordan holmes
And then all bets are off.
dan friesen
Bum leg.
jordan holmes
Yeah.
dan friesen
Chop them up.
jordan holmes
Put them down.
They shoot horses, don't they, Dan?
dan friesen
So that was traditionally the point back in the past.
Then, in the 1970s, the standard changed to being when the patient was declared brain dead.
That's not, you know, brain dead is a term that gets thrown around, but there's a specific medical definition that's used there.
Then, in the 1990s, it became more prevalent for doctors to discuss donation options with families of dying patients who had already decided to take them off life support.
jordan holmes
Right, right, right, right.
dan friesen
So this is an entirely ethical practice, provided that the decision to take the person off life support is not influenced by anyone suggesting they do so to provide organs for donation.
And this shift has actually led to a greatly increased number of donations and it saved countless lives.
What were you laughing about?
jordan holmes
I got the Mighty Python, like, bring out your dead, the part where the guy's like, I'm not dead yet.
unidentified
Yeah, that's the image that comes to people's heads.
dan friesen
It creates that image of doctors trying to con families into killing their loved ones so they can harvest their organs, which is more fantasy than reality.
This 1997 New York Times article discusses a Cleveland clinic which engaged in that form of organ donation, where patients who had no chance of recovery and were only being kept alive by machines, whose family had decided to take them off life support and consented to organ donation, they were being given drugs to prevent blood clotting and widen blood vessels, which would help preserve their organs for donation.
The controversy was surrounding whether or not one of those medications technically would hasten a person's death and would thus be considered euthanasia, which is a matter that this article clearly shows is not, it's a question that doesn't have a consensus answer.
There's some people who are saying like, yeah, it would make your death more quick, and therefore the doctors are making them die sooner.
That's the issue there.
jordan holmes
Not tickled by that argument.
dan friesen
I think it's a relevant question, if only because of, like, the avenues it opens up for, like, well, at what point is it, you know, where is the line?
unidentified
Yeah.
dan friesen
That is a relevant medical ethical question.
jordan holmes
Sure.
dan friesen
That I think you could probably see there being decent arguments on both sides.
But I also understand why you're not tickled by it.
jordan holmes
It's just, yeah, I'm pro-euthanasia, like, even when I'm fine and I turn, look.
I watched Harold and Maude.
I'm pro-euthanasia.
Let's put it that way.
dan friesen
Well, travel back to 1997 and take it up with the New York Times.
jordan holmes
I'm going to.
dan friesen
I don't care.
unidentified
I'll get them.
jordan holmes
It's about time somebody took them down in 1997.
dan friesen
So I'm pretty sure that this is what Alex is talking about because this 1997 article also mentions a doctor who, quote, said she could not comment in detail because she had signed an exclusivity agreement with the CBS News program 60 Minutes, which is to air a broadcast on the dispute tonight.
This is the news program Alex vaguely remembers seeing and has no idea what it was actually about.
unidentified
Yeah, yeah, yeah.
dan friesen
Alex is telling his audience a story about doctors killing patients or at best maliciously letting them die to steal their organs and sell on the black market.
The reality of the story is very, very different.
And I can't find examples in the modern American hospital system of people engaging in that sort of practice.
The logistics of it, too, like how many hurdles you'd have to jump over in order to pull off something like that would be ridiculous.
If you were found to have been negligent in care that leads to someone dying so you can take their organs, you could be sued.
You can obviously lose your license.
unidentified
Prosecuted, for sure.
dan friesen
You could get charged with murder.
jordan holmes
Absolutely.
dan friesen
It's an absurd thing for Alex to believe, but it's what he's pushing.
And I really sincerely think that it's just that 60 Minutes thing from 1997, that he does not understand what the issue was, mixed with his dad telling him these urban legends about, don't sign the organ donor card, so take your organs!
I think that's what's going on.
jordan holmes
I mean, it's just a complete and fundamental inability to understand people.
Like, that idea that a person would look at the amount of shit you have to do and be like...
This is way better than getting a job.
Like, it just doesn't make any sense, you know?
dan friesen
And it also is a staggering lack of respect for what people in the medical field do.
jordan holmes
Absolutely.
dan friesen
Like, the amount of commitment they have to helping people is foundational to the job and the career field.
So, like, yeah, they would kill people for 50 bucks.
jordan holmes
Yeah, no, denigrating nurses by saying that they get paid half a million is so offensive.
dan friesen
Because they're doing Nazi operations.
jordan holmes
They're almost always underpaid.
dan friesen
No, no, no, no.
Most nurses are underpaid.
But these ones that are doing Nazi operations get paid half a million.
unidentified
That's what Alex is saying.
jordan holmes
Fine.
dan friesen
It makes total sense.
jordan holmes
Great.
dan friesen
So I told you that I got really bored because David Knight came around.
And...
jordan holmes
Axis will show.
dan friesen
Here comes David Knight making a dumb-dumb prediction.
david knight
And they already said before anything opened up here in Texas, for example...
When Abbott said, well, we're going to let people open up 25%, 50%, but they said, already, look, we've had a spike.
Now, what they're telling everybody, what they're preparing everybody for, is the new narrative is going to be, see, you opened up, and now everybody's dying, so we've got to lock you down hard, and we've got to keep you locked down.
dan friesen
That's not the new narrative.
That's the likely outcome of trying to force a reopening of many places where people congregate in large numbers prematurely.
It's very likely that the number of cases will go up if states reopen everything before it's safe to do so.
And the only thing that's a preemptive narrative here is what David Knight is doing.
This is his preemptive rationalization that his propaganda needs to somehow try to wiggle around the reality that infectious diseases spread.
Inevitably, when you see the number of cases go up after these states reopen, now you have a handy little piece of bullshit to help you explain how that's a conspiracy as opposed to the exact thing you'd expect to happen.
jordan holmes
That's just so fucked up.
dan friesen
Yeah.
jordan holmes
That is a man.
dan friesen
It's a fingerprint.
jordan holmes
That's a man saying, don't worry when people die.
Don't worry about it.
It's their fault.
It's all a lie.
Pretend everything is fake.
dan friesen
They're establishing it already.
jordan holmes
Yeah, exactly.
You're establishing the...
unidentified
Right.
dan friesen
We've already seen this play out multiple times this year.
On March 23rd, CNN reported on how Hong Kong had done a really good job of containing the virus, only having approximately 150 cases by the beginning of March.
From the article, quote, Now, however, Hong Kong is providing a very different object lesson.
What happens when you let your guard down too soon?
The number of confirmed cases has almost doubled in the past week.
They eased their containment measures and the number of infections rose considerably.
They have the situation largely under control now thanks to reintroducing, quote, a raft of new measures.
They had, quote, draconian new controls put in place, including electronic tagging of all new arrivals who must undergo a strict 14-day home quarantine and could face criminal prosecution if they're found in breach of it.
Over the weekend, police could be seen patrolling nightlife districts looking for those violating quarantine, arresting at least five people, two of whom had cut their wristbands off in order to go out.
jordan holmes
Cool!
Good work, guys.
dan friesen
Right, but that was what they had to do in order to, because they let down the guard too early, you have to introduce even stricter measures than you would have done in the first place.
unidentified
Right.
jordan holmes
Well, I suggest putting them in their rooms, putting a giant sheet of metal over the door, because you don't know if they're vampires.
dan friesen
That is an important consideration.
jordan holmes
You just don't know.
dan friesen
Yeah, I don't know.
jordan holmes
Exactly.
dan friesen
David Knight doesn't know.
Experts in the field are pretty universally warning about this phenomenon and how it's pretty much inevitable that if we loosen things up prematurely and irresponsibly, we could see case numbers explode.
According to an article in the Denver Post, one of the most important benchmarks for knowing that it could be okay to ease restrictions is a, quote, 14-day downward trajectory in new illnesses and infections, which we do not have.
And even if we did, easing restrictions in that scenario is only advisable if there's also a robust testing system in place to be able to catch new outbreaks before they become big new outbreaks.
We don't have either of those basic components for doing this safely.
jordan holmes
I don't understand how this is not a criminal, this is a crime.
dan friesen
It might be eventually.
jordan holmes
This is like, this is Nuremberg trial shit.
Like, when we get through this, this is time to be like, hey guys, you knew that this was going to happen.
This is premeditated.
Those people's deaths are on you.
Specifically.
Personally.
dan friesen
Maybe Nuremberg Trial, maybe Truth and Reconciliation Committee.
One of the two.
jordan holmes
That's probably wiser.
dan friesen
Maybe.
From this article, we also see the pattern of Hong Kong playing out in our states.
Quote, cases have continued to rise steadily in places such as Iowa and Missouri since the governors began reopening.
This stuff is pretty clear.
Experts have warned us about what the most likely result of premature opening is, and all you see Alex and David Knight doing here is creating a preemptive excuse for why the thing they're calling for is going to end up killing a lot of people, but it's not really because it's a conspiracy or something.
jordan holmes
Yep, and I'm sure that they will be held accountable for their actions.
dan friesen
Probably not.
jordan holmes
Oh, damn it!
dan friesen
Alex might not be on air to deal with them, so maybe that'll work.
So, Alex, you know, we've heard a lot over the course of the last few weeks, him yelling about people at stores telling him to wear a mask, and he yells at them.
And this continues here on the 5th.
alex jones
Even though the governor said, we can't make you wear a mask in Texas, I go in stores, they say, get out of here!
Get out of here!
And I'm like, hey, you understand that it's incredibly rare to even die from this.
They don't know.
They're ignorant.
They love it.
They love getting into it, even though their whole future is being destroyed by evil globalists.
It's just another SJW thing.
unidentified
Yeah.
Oh, yeah.
dan friesen
Oh, yeah.
So I've been tracking Alex's stories about him getting into fights with people who ask him to wear a mask in their stores for a while now.
Mostly because I thought those stories were probably not true, and even if they were, they were kind of just funny glimpses into how much of an impotent man-child he is, raging against people trying to help because it inconveniences him slightly.
And then, last Friday, Calvin Munderland, a security guard at a Flint, Michigan family dollar, was murdered, in retaliation for earlier telling a woman she could not enter the store without a mask.
He was a father, and it's an absolute tragedy, all following pretty much the exact pattern of all the stories Alex braggingly tells of his own exploits at stores, just carried much further.
I'm not saying that Alex's rhetoric caused this woman to return to the store with her husband and son who then murdered this dude.
I have no reason to suspect that there is even a concrete connection or that she was a listener or anything like that.
The reason I bring up this story at all is because the underlying behavior of fighting and arguing with security guards who are enforcing rules about masks is something that Alex fundamentally supports and he's been very, very clear about that in the past few weeks.
I'm sure he wouldn't advocate someone go so far as murder, but Alex is normalizing one of the steps down that path.
He celebrates lashing out and berating people who are trying to uphold public health measures, and the consequence of that kind of thing is that his audience is trained to view that as a positive thing.
A noble thing, even.
This is a story that I haven't heard Alex bring up, and I would be surprised if he ever does.
I'm just not sure that there's a way he can cover the story without kind of supporting the murderer, which I'm sure he'd rather not do.
So, at this point, like, this show falls apart.
Because you got David Knight in there.
unidentified
Right.
dan friesen
And he's boring as shit.
jordan holmes
Disaster.
dan friesen
And then Robert Barnes shows up.
jordan holmes
No!
dan friesen
And I'm like, this three-way is not good.
jordan holmes
It's the worst thing I can think of.
dan friesen
Yeah, it's...
Almost unlistenable.
And I would not subject our listeners to that.
jordan holmes
Yeah.
Three whiny man children with varying degrees of a lack of education bitching about shit is not something I'm interested in.
dan friesen
Well, to be fair, I think David Knight and Barnes are probably pretty well educated.
They're just crass opportunists.
jordan holmes
Yeah.
dan friesen
Now, one of the things that I think is really interesting is I haven't heard Barnes for a while.
This dude is worse now.
unidentified
Oh, shit!
How?
jordan holmes
At the job or at...
dan friesen
Human.
jordan holmes
Human, okay.
dan friesen
Being human.
unidentified
Cool, cool, cool, cool.
dan friesen
I think that he's given up all pretension of being a lawyer or something and just descended fully into this, like, I do propaganda now.
jordan holmes
Yeah, yeah, yeah.
dan friesen
I think maybe he wasn't getting enough donations for the Free America Law Center or whatever the fuck he was trying to do.
Because listen to this, man.
This is the only clip of Barnes I'm going to play.
It seems like he's reading a fucking script that Alex fed him about, like, hey, hey, Barnes, you're smart.
Back me up on this.
alex jones
And by the way, Barnes, are we kidding about how the deep state's making a move on in force?
We can't get into it yet.
robert barnes
There's no doubt about it whatsoever.
What you saw was an inside takeout of General Flynn.
By the inside, and we're seeing now all the scales of corruption they went to and that's being uncovered and discovered.
But they took out General Flynn to make President Trump vulnerable so that he had none of the white hats around him that he needed at times exactly like this.
Russiagate doesn't happen if they are unable to take out General Flynn.
Ukrainegate and impeachmentgate doesn't happen except for their security.
alex jones
Because he was going to kick all the operatives out.
robert barnes
And he was going to bring in all the white hats in.
In fact, I mean, I represented some of those other white hats that got targeted by Mueller.
alex jones
So now what's the deep state up to?
robert barnes
And then the goal was on the outside to take out the dissident voices.
An institutional narrative doesn't work unless it's gated.
And you need gatekeepers to keep out the wrong voices.
So they need to take certain key voices, primarily Infowars, kick them out of the narrative.
alex jones
Arrest Roger Stone.
jordan holmes
Do you mean gate-gate?
robert barnes
And in the process, in the time frame, continue to target them for political harassment, legal harassment, every other form of harassment, publicize false news stories, hide true news stories to have this continuous campaign because InfoWars keeps managing to jump over that gate and get back in and undermine the institutional narrative.
So the big powers of institution, the gatekeepers, have to come and escalate the attacks on InfoWars and those who personify it.
alex jones
And we're not complaining.
We chose this battle.
We just want listeners to know we're really soldiers for our future, your future.
And we're not backing down.
We're committed to this, but soon we'll be able to talk about it, but it's pretty heavy stuff.
robert barnes
Oh, no doubt.
It's extraordinary.
It's the most expansive, extensive targeting of any organization within the free press in American history, period.
From a political perspective, from a press perspective, from a legal perspective.
jordan holmes
Really?
robert barnes
There's no parallel or precedent to it.
jordan holmes
Come on, buddy.
alex jones
Well, you've got to arrest this much.
robert barnes
Oh, yes.
I'm talking to the press.
alex jones
So we've seen others.
robert barnes
Exactly.
There have been political leaders.
Medgar Evers, Martin Luther King, civil rights leaders.
dan friesen
Wow.
alex jones
Ernest Hemingway got this kind of stuff.
robert barnes
Oh, absolutely.
A whole bunch of journalists, independent writers, independent thinkers, independent political leaders.
alex jones
But you're saying for a press organization, you're right, this is the biggest.
robert barnes
Completely.
There's no press organization that's been harassed and targeted more than Infowars.
And the reason is not because they're afraid of falsehood.
It's because they're afraid of truth.
dan friesen
That raises the question, why aren't you representing him anymore?
jordan holmes
Nah, calm it down.
He's just not...
Look, he's not ready to take on a civil rights case of this.
unidentified
Noted civil rights lawyer Robert Barnes.
jordan holmes
These assholes want to own black people so much they're trying to own their stories now.
This is fucking disgusting.
I hate them so much.
dan friesen
It's pretty bad, but that...
That, to me, sounds a bit different than the Robert Barnes that I'm used to.
He used to have a little bit of independence to him.
That sounds like the tools in Robert Barnes' kit being used as an Infowars employee.
jordan holmes
The way that Alex set him up is what tips it off.
The way that Alex is like, oh, and talk about this barn.
It's a setup, for sure.
dan friesen
And I think it's probably because Alex gave Robert his own show, finally.
I think Barnes is like, hey man, I'm in the fold, fuck it.
So, we skip past their conversation, because who gives a shit?
And Alex, ooh, so he gets into social distancing, right?
jordan holmes
Sure.
I bet he has great thoughts.
dan friesen
Six feet, right?
jordan holmes
That's how many feet you're underground.
dan friesen
We just think about, maybe that, maybe you think of the sneaker pimp song, Six Underground.
jordan holmes
That could be.
dan friesen
Maybe you think about a very regular height for folks to be.
jordan holmes
Right.
dan friesen
No.
alex jones
And the six degrees of separation comes from just the theory of six degrees of separation, of social distancing, and it's a psychological system of control, and it just so happens to be a foot is six inches and six inches.
And of course, this is six, six, six, six.
Wow.
Six degrees of seven.
Fucking wow.
jordan holmes
That is a trip.
unidentified
Yeah.
jordan holmes
That is a trip to get there.
dan friesen
Six and six.
jordan holmes
Six feet.
dan friesen
Six, six, six.
alex jones
Oh, my God.
dan friesen
Numbers.
jordan holmes
I knew it was Kevin Bacon's fault.
All of this.
alex jones
Yeah.
unidentified
Wow.
jordan holmes
That is tragic.
dan friesen
Yeah.
jordan holmes
Oh, man.
dan friesen
Good thinking, though.
jordan holmes
Oh, man.
dan friesen
You know, 10 is 5 and 5, 55. I can't drive that.
I can't drive 10. Uh-oh.
jordan holmes
That makes all the sense.
dan friesen
Right.
So, in this next clip, Alex talks about...
Whenever you hear him talk about people he knows who are doctors and stuff, it's always very suspicious.
And this clip is one of those very, very suspicious instances of that.
alex jones
I'll leave it at this.
I know someone very close to me in Houston who's a nurse, and all the time, lesbian couples come in and demand their three-, four-, five-year-old sons have their balls chopped off, and the hospitals refuse.
jordan holmes
All the time.
alex jones
They go, why?
They want those testicles as a symbol of a ritual of power.
unidentified
Yeah.
dan friesen
He's talking to a caller.
jordan holmes
That checks out.
dan friesen
And the caller's just like, yeah, bet.
jordan holmes
Yeah, that checks out.
Yeah.
dan friesen
Man, what kind of fucking world do you have to be living in if you hear that and you're like, go fuck yourself.
jordan holmes
I know, right?
dan friesen
Or like, substantiate this in any way.
jordan holmes
Yeah.
Show me the balls!
dan friesen
Did this ever happen?
jordan holmes
Once.
dan friesen
In Houston.
jordan holmes
One time.
dan friesen
Never.
jordan holmes
Anytime.
dan friesen
I highly doubt it.
jordan holmes
Happens all the time, Dan.
dan friesen
So we know that Alex believes science fiction is always real.
Right.
jordan holmes
Oblivion.
dan friesen
There's some stuff that he gets into here in this next clip about, like, you know, putting brains in computers.
unidentified
I like it.
dan friesen
He loves the idea that all of these sci-fi things about brains and computers are real.
alex jones
And people ask, how did I predict all this?
Because they admit that that is their plan.
In fact, I saved a screenshot on my phone.
I'm going to send it to the producers.
I saw it this weekend of a new movie out where the guy has his consciousness put into a computer and then it's wonderful once he does it.
I mean, this is all just absolutely sick, folks.
It's not going to be your consciousness.
You're going to be killed.
The AI would have recorded your every move, how you talk, your voice print, what you do, to where then the avatar that will be on the computer will be able to fool your family.
The computer will have a relationship with you and your family and it's just the next level of fraud.
Yeah, here it is.
dan friesen
Is that a prank?
alex jones
Upload.
And so he's sick, he's dying, but it's okay because the digital afterlife, and of course you have to die when they do the upload.
You can't live for some reason.
Just like in the movie Avatar, he dies when his body's transferred.
If you're just transferring all the thoughts and there's not a soul there, well then why couldn't you just transfer it?
But then once he uploads, everything is wonderful.
He can just do...
Whatever he wants.
dan friesen
So, just to be clear, all of the examples Alex has about proving the globalists' plans are science fiction TV shows and movies.
None of it means anything.
Also, in Avatar, the main character, Sully, doesn't have to die to control the Avatar body.
jordan holmes
He doesn't!
dan friesen
The whole point of the movie is that humans can use these Na 'vi hybrids to learn about Pandora since the atmosphere is poisonous to humans, and they need to find the unobtainium.
jordan holmes
And then they just get out of those tanks and go about their day.
dan friesen
At the end of the movie, after Sully realizes that...
The humans are the bad guys, and they're going to destroy the Tree of Souls, which would amount to genocide against the Na 'vi.
He fights alongside them to overcome the human attack.
After that, he's beloved by the Na 'vi, and they do some magic to make him and his avatar into one being permanently, and honestly, I have no idea if the movie handled what happened to his human body at that point.
I assume it definitely died because humans can't breathe on Pandora.
Either way, the ending of the movie is totally about his soul being transferred by the magical Tree of Souls!
jordan holmes
Yes, 100% that.
I assume they donated his organs.
That's why they transferred his body.
Na 'vi need human organs.
dan friesen
Also, Avatar's not a good movie.
jordan holmes
It's not.
dan friesen
It's mostly about special effects.
jordan holmes
Really bad.
Really hated that movie.
dan friesen
Yeah.
I don't think Alex got the point of it.
jordan holmes
Great time.
dan friesen
Yep.
So, it turns out, the reason that there's so many people with coronavirus and COVID-19 is because if you've ever had a cold in the past decade, you're going to test positive.
jordan holmes
Sure.
alex jones
But remember, most, they admit that there's a whole bunch of companies that have read up on this.
jordan holmes
Have you?
alex jones
The antibodies, it's a false positive most of the time because if you've had the coronavirus in the last decade or so, You understand?
You will show antibodies because it's the same family.
Does that make sense?
I mean, those tests don't tell you the exact type of coronavirus.
dan friesen
So that's dumb.
In the United States, we've run a little over 8 million COVID-19 tests at this point.
If what Alex is saying were in any way true, then you'd have to assume that just under 7 out of 8 of the people tested haven't had a cold in the past decade, which is pretty fucking absurd.
jordan holmes
I don't know.
Colds are very rare.
dan friesen
So there's a reality here underneath what Alex is lying about, and that is that our current tests that we have, particularly for antibodies, aren't at a great level of accuracy yet.
They're nowhere near as bad as Alex is pretending, but they're not sure shots.
According to a May 4th article in Discover Magazine, the three currently available antibody tests have between 83% and 96% accuracy rates in terms of specificity, meaning that between 4% to 17% of the positive results that they come to, they might be false positives.
These are not the results of the test picking up antibodies to other coronaviruses, though.
It's just a matter of us not having developed a more accurate test yet, but we will.
The question of the test calling antibodies to the common cold antibodies to coronavirus or the COVID-19 antibodies, that's an absurd thing to say.
That's one of the most elementary questions that people coming up with the test had to deal with when they started designing it.
If you create a test that always just returns positive results, you can easily see how no one would consider that a worthwhile test.
This is a childish oversimplification of what goes into creating a test for a particular antibody.
If tests for coronavirus, COVID-19, as it were, antibodies always turn out positives for people who previously had a cold, why didn't everyone test positive for SARS and MERS?
unidentified
Is it possible because scientists understand that tests that can't tell the difference are useless?
Maybe.
jordan holmes
I don't know, Dan.
I didn't graduate from college, so I'm going to assume I know a lot more than those scientists about virology.
And I got to tell you, I think you're wrong.
dan friesen
Oh, do you also exclusively talk to weirdos that you think are geniuses?
jordan holmes
This is the show!
dan friesen
Yeah.
That would be my follow-up question if I was talking to him.
What about SARS and MERS?
jordan holmes
Yeah, don't worry about it.
Oh, no, I got you.
Real easy.
Of course everybody can't test positive.
You wouldn't believe it.
So they only use the tests sometimes, and the other ones are fake tests that don't test positive, and they only use the tests that test positive on some people.
dan friesen
Yeah, I mean, that's why you can't have conversations about these things, because that is reasonable to someone in this headspace.
So Alex goes to calls, and this is where things get a little bit good, because this caller...
This person seems to remember that Alex said he was going to tell everyone who Q was.
And this guy seems to know who Q is, too.
unidentified
Strange.
alex jones
Jason, go ahead.
Thank you for calling.
unidentified
Oh, you're welcome.
Hi, Alex.
I'm a longtime listener, since about 2003.
jordan holmes
Run!
unidentified
You need to get Austin Steinbart QAnon on the show.
You know, a few weeks back, you announced that QAnon would come on the show, and Austin Steinbart is Q. He's a DIA agent, and he was arrested by the FBI last month, just like they did.
You know, they're trying to railroad him like General Flynn.
QAnon is a real military intelligence project, and Austin Steinbart is Q, and he needs the overwhelming Democratic mandate to arrest the deep state.
So you could email QTeamStaff...
alex jones
Hold on, Jason, Jason, Jason.
I know the Q thing says it's okay to lie and stuff like that.
I don't believe that.
And I'm not saying some of the people that like Q aren't doing some good work and it's fun to follow breadcrumbs and do all that stuff.
And I said I was thinking about exposing the original guys that put it out and they got hijacked.
But I haven't done that yet.
I'm still thinking about it.
dan friesen
So apparently Austin Steinbart is one of these guys who people...
He made some YouTube videos saying that he was Q and I don't think anyone believes it.
But this guy does.
And he remembers that Alex was saying all this stuff.
And so Alex realizes, like, oh, I did say that, didn't I?
jordan holmes
I'm trapped.
alex jones
You know, I mean, I could tell you who first started the whole queue.
jordan holmes
Oh, of course you could.
alex jones
And I'm so close to doing it, but I just, I've gotten busy.
And I should have called up a couple of these guys.
unidentified
Gotten busy!
alex jones
I don't get any of them in trouble.
They're not bad guys, because they're not what queue is today.
But it wouldn't matter, even if I'd released who it was, people don't want to believe the truth.
People that are into that kind of stuff, they just want to believe Fantasylands.
unidentified
Hmm.
alex jones
And so...
Okay.
Trust the plan.
As one go, they all go.
dan friesen
I do think that Alex has gotten busy.
That is fair.
Not a good excuse for why he completely just didn't do his follow-through on the I'm going to reveal who you...
I give you until Tuesday!
jordan holmes
Explain to me how...
You can get too busy to do something you already know the answer to.
dan friesen
All you have to do is go on your show.
jordan holmes
He could just do it right now.
It would take two seconds.
He'd just say their names.
Is he too busy to say their names?
dan friesen
He's saying a lot of words.
He's got to go back to calls.
This next caller, they're calling in and they say that they know that the New York data about COVID-19, it's all a fraud.
And they know that because their sibling He's in healthcare.
But unfortunately, they give too much information.
alex jones
Christine, I hear you.
You say your brother's a doctor.
New York data is BS.
Tell us about that.
unidentified
Well, he's in Pennsylvania.
They're in Pennsylvania, two different hospitals, Villanova and Einstein.
And they said that they didn't see as many cases at all.
They were seeing some.
dan friesen
In Pennsylvania, you say?
unidentified
Hmm.
dan friesen
We have some international listeners.
Pennsylvania is not in New York.
jordan holmes
No, it is not.
It is a completely different state.
dan friesen
Yeah.
So, that's great.
That's the level of inside information we're getting here.
They have a call.
Alex loves it.
He's like, yeah, New York's full of shit.
But then, I thought he was done with it, but he starts thinking more about the Q stuff.
jordan holmes
Oh, no.
dan friesen
And he realizes, like, man, I don't...
alex jones
And so I'm done talking about it.
People call in about it.
They want to ask me about it.
I don't even think...
You know what?
The Q people don't even need to know who Q is.
Fine, okay?
You don't believe me anyway, so I'm not going to tell you.
unidentified
All right?
alex jones
How's that sound?
All right.
I'll live here in the real world where I pay real consequences for what I do.
unidentified
Hmm.
alex jones
I'll keep moving forward.
dan friesen
So that tells me that Alex doesn't know anything?
jordan holmes
Nothing.
unidentified
No.
dan friesen
He had a claim that he wanted to make, and he wanted some people that he wanted to name, I assume.
And then he just doesn't want to deal with the fallout of it.
unidentified
No.
dan friesen
So this is his way of doing it.
Oh, you guys don't even...
You wouldn't believe me if I told you.
You don't deserve to know.
jordan holmes
What a cop-out.
dan friesen
Yeah.
What a coward.
Very lame.
jordan holmes
Yeah.
dan friesen
So that's the end of the fifth.
There's a couple more calls, and who cares?
I got very bored.
So, Alex on the 6th, when he starts up, he announces that he's only hosting the first hour, and then Paul Joseph Watson's gonna take over, because he's got big projects to deal with.
unidentified
Sure.
dan friesen
Which I assume means I gotta talk to a lawyer, I gotta try and find someone to replace Norm.
unidentified
Lawsuits.
dan friesen
I don't know what the fuck is going on.
jordan holmes
I'm screwed.
dan friesen
Yeah.
unidentified
Yeah.
dan friesen
So, he does the first hour, and it's pretty dumb.
It's pretty bad.
He starts by complaining about higher education in the country.
unidentified
Sure.
alex jones
If Harvard disappeared, I'm not calling for that.
jordan holmes
I am.
alex jones
But if the people that run Harvard were dropped into a black hole, our problems would be 80% fixed.
Because they run China.
That's why Xi Jinping's daughter...
jordan holmes
I thought they run us.
alex jones
I've confirmed this with folks in, let's just say, certain areas.
Goes to school and lives at Harvard under a pseudonym, under an alias.
dan friesen
Alex doesn't know where Harvard is.
He couldn't come up with Cambridge.
jordan holmes
What are you talking about?
dan friesen
What an asshole.
She lives in Harvard.
Go fuck yourself.
So Alex didn't look up or confirm that G's daughter goes to Harvard.
And I know that because he's using the present tense.
On a number of occasions when Francis Boyle has been on, he's complained to Alex that G's daughter currently goes to Harvard and thus the whole school is full of commies.
In reality, Xi's daughter did study at Harvard between 2010 and 2014, under an assumed name.
This makes total sense, to grant her a certain amount of anonymity, because otherwise it would be impossible for her to get anything close to a normal education.
She ended up getting a Bachelor's of Arts degree in psychology and English, and so I don't really know what the nefarious conspiracy is here, but if this is where Alex wants to plant a flag, go for it, man.
I do not know what you're doing.
jordan holmes
As somebody who studied English and literature, That shit is all conspiracies, man.
unidentified
Sure.
jordan holmes
I was recruited into a Chinese Communist Party.
dan friesen
Is that right?
jordan holmes
Yeah, that's what they do in all literature.
You start reading, you know, any book.
Let's say you start reading Farewell to Arms.
dan friesen
Okay.
jordan holmes
Two pages in, you find out that the book has been replaced with a gun.
unidentified
Oh, no.
jordan holmes
Oh, right?
It's been, you know, you know when they do that?
Oh, yeah, yeah, yeah.
dan friesen
You hollow it out to hide your weed in there when you're kids.
jordan holmes
Exactly!
Then you turn into the Manchurian candidate.
Where's Manchuria?
You know.
dan friesen
Done.
So you can find Business Insider articles about G's daughter from 2012 and an article in the New Yorker from 2015.
None of this is anything close to new information.
And here's the thing.
Xi wasn't even the president of China until 2013, so by the time he was the head of state, she was almost done with her degree.
What I'm getting at here is that none of this matters, but it's a huge deal to Alex because any possibility of attacking China and higher education simultaneously is basically catnip.
jordan holmes
Yeah, win-win.
dan friesen
So he's just going to go for it.
jordan holmes
Oh, you can't.
Two birds, one stone.
Hell yeah.
dan friesen
So, more complaints about China incoming.
alex jones
U.S. and U.K. intelligence warn China is trying to hack biolabs working on COVID.
So they can put out false numbers to create a panic.
That's how U.S. intel, now controlled by patriots partially, is telling you that China's behind the whole damn thing and behind the hysteria in the media and behind all the false diagnoses and all behind the actuaries set up in the coding at the hospitals by the NIH under WHO control, which is under Bill and Linda Gates control.
dan friesen
That's a lot of editorializing, I should tell you.
unidentified
A little bit.
jordan holmes
A little bit.
dan friesen
So Alex isn't making up that there have been warnings made by intelligence agencies about this subject, which is the possibility of Chinese state-backed hackers attempting to gain access to sensitive areas.
That warning did go out early this week, primarily about attempts to, quote, obtain intelligence on national and international health care policy and acquire sensitive data on COVID-19-related research.
Alex is completely fabricating the part about China's motive for the hacking being to put out inflated COVID numbers.
That's just his imagination being added to the real story, which all This is a really good example of one of Alex's primary tactics.
What he will do often is take a real story, then make up a fictional telling of that story to report to his audience.
This is actually a fantastic strategy for him, because he knows that his listeners are not big readers and don't really know how to find information.
unidentified
They make you read up to four pages, Dan.
dan friesen
That's brutal.
jordan holmes
That's so much!
dan friesen
So in this case, if one of his listeners thinks to check into this story, they'll Google it and they'll find that there was a joint US-UK advisory put out about hacking related to the coronavirus, and they'll take that as a confirmation of all the other completely made-up stuff that Alex has just attached to the narrative.
Also, if you read the actual advisory, at no point do they say that these hackers are from China, just that they're advanced persistent threat groups.
APT groups are not unique to China, and while it is possible that these hacks are coming from China, there's no indication in the advisory that they couldn't also be backed by another country like North Korea, Russia, or even just some group that's not necessarily state-aligned.
So, to be clear, it very well may be the case that the Chinese government is somehow involved in this, but given the available information that Alex could be operating off of and is pointing to, it feels like reporting that as definite is a little bit premature, but it doesn't matter, because Alex will take any opportunity to...
Say China did X, Y, or Z. I'm going to...
jordan holmes
I don't know further details about this, so I'm not going to say this in reality.
But based on the way that the United States is acting, or Trump is specifically acting in regards to not sharing information, I'm kind of on the side of people hacking and getting maybe life-saving information.
If that is the case.
dan friesen
But I'm not sure that that is what is the case.
jordan holmes
Exactly.
That's what I'm saying.
I'm not saying about this story, but if we're talking about...
dan friesen
This could be stealing patients' identities and stuff like that.
unidentified
Exactly.
jordan holmes
I'm not cool with that.
But if it's like, okay, either a giant pharmacy is going to fuck this whole thing up and charge everybody a shit ton of money for this, or the United States is just not going to release this information, then I'm for information sharing.
dan friesen
Yeah, I think that's an imaginary version of this.
jordan holmes
Exactly.
dan friesen
And so I would say...
jordan holmes
And I love it.
dan friesen
Right.
I mean, sure, your fantasy of rogue hackers finding a cure by hacking...
jordan holmes
That's what I believe in.
dan friesen
I would like you to write that screenplay.
jordan holmes
White hat hackers.
dan friesen
I'd like you to write that screenplay, but I don't think, from reading the advisory, I don't think that that's what they're concerned about.
jordan holmes
It's very doubtful.
dan friesen
I think they're trying to breach...
Things for copyright information and people's identities.
jordan holmes
Okay.
dan friesen
Stuff like that.
jordan holmes
Making a real bummer here.
dan friesen
Well, sorry.
So, in this next clip, Alex talks about more stuff about China that, I don't know if this is fair.
I mean, like, there are a lot of very fair complaints you could make about China.
jordan holmes
Sure.
dan friesen
I'm not against people making them.
But when you do stuff like this, it just shows what you're about.
alex jones
Video.
Senator Cotton says China should provide evidence to disprove Corona.
Lab link.
The government knows who did it, because Obama has the receipts.
dan friesen
Okay, so you can always tell when someone is a dishonest actor when they demand that someone prove a negative.
It would be impossible for China to satisfactorily prove that the virus did not leak from the lab, so demanding that they do so is just a rhetorical way to make an illegitimate argument.
In theory, the way you would demonstrate that the virus didn't leak from the lab would be to show evidence supporting the natural progression, like from bat to intermediate animal to human.
However, even if you did do this, it totally wouldn't satisfy someone like Tom Cotton.
He would still say that even if the virus had a natural trajectory, they still haven't proven it didn't also come from the lab.
jordan holmes
Show your long-form lab results.
dan friesen
Right.
This is basically what elementary school kids do on the playground, demanding that the target of their bullying prove that they don't pick their nose or some shit.
It's really childish levels of communication, and it's coming from a member of Congress towards another country over something that could lead to hostilities between the two countries, which is...
Unacceptable.
jordan holmes
They're scapegoating racism to try and both ignore blame that they absolutely deserve as well as whip up their followers into trying to win elections is going to get us all killed.
That's how fucking racist they are.
They would rather we go to a world war than accept responsibility for being shitty at what they do and trying to kill ourselves.
dan friesen
Perhaps.
Yeah.
unidentified
Perhaps.
jordan holmes
Great.
dan friesen
So in this next clip from the May 6th episode, Alex announces that we have Planetary Dictator now.
alex jones
Bill Gates is Planet Earth's first dictator.
Oh!
And he wants to depopulate the planet.
Oh!
And he wants to get rid of the middle class on record.
And he finances major leaders.
White!
That whole rhyme about Jack Spratt and his wife is not about division.
dan friesen
It's about how this guy and his wife ate different things, so it worked out well for them.
jordan holmes
That's why you kill both.
dan friesen
I guess.
jordan holmes
Or something.
dan friesen
Some people believe that the origin of that rhyme is actually a satire about Charles I dissolving Parliament in 1629, but this is not a consensus opinion.
And even if that were the case, it still doesn't make sense in the context Alex is using the rhyme.
That is just weird.
jordan holmes
Yeah.
That's strange.
dan friesen
So Alex says that Bill Gates is anti-white and he's a planetary dictator and all this, and he's going to get arrested for saying these things.
jordan holmes
I hope so.
alex jones
I personally am facing...
Arrest death right now because I refuse to stop attacking Gates, but I will continue because I will not submit to Satan.
dan friesen
So brave.
alex jones
Now, let's go ahead and go over the facts.
Earlier, I read to you out of the Financial Telegraph, major insurance companies in South Africa have openly come out and said that COVID-19 is not causing mass death, that the lockdowns dwarf it massively.
29 times more destructive than the COVID-19 deaths.
And that's just getting started.
dan friesen
So it would be worth pointing out that the Financial Telegraph is not a major or even real publication.
If you go to their website, it's clearly just a front for cryptocurrency promotion.
If you check out their Twitter, they have eight followers.
That's probably not the Financial Telegraph Alex is talking about, though.
There's another Financial Telegraph on Twitter.
That one has 14 followers, but they also haven't tweeted since June 2012.
So that's probably not the one he's talking about either.
jordan holmes
I'm listening.
I think you got a lead.
dan friesen
It's very confusing.
jordan holmes
I think you got this.
dan friesen
So I went to Infowars to see what the deal was, and this is from a blog post written by Paul Joseph Watson.
In it, he cites a story from the Financial Mail, Mail, Telegraph, same thing.
jordan holmes
There we go.
Don't even worry about it.
dan friesen
Right.
And this article used models to claim that the lockdown in South Africa will lead to 29 times more loss of life than the outbreak it seeks to stop.
jordan holmes
I knew there was another reason to hate Tyra Banks.
dan friesen
So there are a number of things to consider here.
The first is that even if you accept this conclusion, that's not a figure that's in any way applicable to other countries than South Africa.
At best, this was an analysis specifically about the factors in that country, which are different than in other countries.
Second, their model has a...
Iffy element that's built into it that represents a massive asterisk.
From the Financial Mail article, quote, Since South Africa's COVID-19 data is so sparse, the researchers used New York's public extensive data overlaying the percentage of people who died in each age range into a model of South Africa's population.
there's no reason to assume that this kind of data overlaying would create a representative glimpse of the actual situation in south africa population densities and distributions are different city patterns are different levels of access to health care are different responses to the virus have been different this may not be a wholly bankrupt way to gather some data for the sake of conversation but as far as i can tell that's a pretty big hole in the model which mysteriously doesn't come up in paul joseph watson's art That's really odd.
jordan holmes
Yeah, it's really odd.
dan friesen
So what this model did was it took the data that they put together and they assumed that on average, because of the older average age of patients with COVID-19, each coronavirus death represented a loss of life of 5.4 years.
They then assumed that because of the projected job loss of between 3 and 7 million jobs, quote, 10% of South Africans will become poorer and as a result will lose a few months of their lives.
Alex is trying to pretend that this model shows 29 times the death coming from the lockdown as opposed to the virus, but what it actually shows is something quite different.
And the reason that he doesn't know that about what he's talking about is because he hasn't read the underlying article about it, and Paul Joseph Watson's article covering the Financial Mail article doesn't paint the full picture.
The actual information is going through two filters before it's delivered to the audience, which at that point is just pointless.
A major point is that, according to this model, the loss of months of people's lives will be due to poverty, which is a condition that we could do significant work to remedy, even within the context of a coronavirus lockdown.
Directly addressing those issues is a policy decision, and not addressing them is as well.
So, if you want to use this model to strike up a conversation about battling poverty, great, I'm all there for it.
Even before any of the virus concerns were around, more than half of South Africans lived below the poverty line, so presumably their lives are being shortened by that before this ever happened.
Alex only cares now because he knows he can use this flawed understanding of this analysis to help bolster his arguments that everyone in the United States should be forced back to work.
He doesn't care about the actual details, nor the people being discussed in those details.
Also, considering the fact that Alex is in the middle of a narrative where he's attacking the whole institution of statistical modeling, Where the virus models were all corrupt and frauds, it seems weird that he'd be so willing to accept another model without really digging into the methodology of it.
jordan holmes
Models that agree with me, good models, run by good people.
Models that disagree with me, bad models, liars.
dan friesen
I would have to assume that's pretty much the operating function there.
So Alex had no real handle on any of that information from that article that he...
Didn't know the publication's name that was cited in Paul Joseph Watson's blog that didn't get the right message across.
So you could see, like, it's just a really bad source of information.
jordan holmes
Yeah, that sounds bad.
dan friesen
And then I realized that Alex keeps saying something that I never really point out that should also give everyone pause.
alex jones
And then, of course, there's always going to be a new pathogen that comes out of the lab he runs and funds.
dan friesen
Pathogen isn't a word.
He always says pathogen instead of pathogen.
jordan holmes
Is he like mixing up parthenogenesis?
unidentified
I think so.
jordan holmes
Yeah, that's the only thing that makes sense there.
dan friesen
Yeah.
jordan holmes
What an asshole.
dan friesen
I never point that out just because I just think it's kind of petty.
jordan holmes
Right, right, right.
dan friesen
But it's consistent.
He never says pathogen.
He always says pathogen.
jordan holmes
If he's going to shit talk every...
He's still got that fucking video where it's like a long list of Nancy Pelosi misspeaking.
dan friesen
That's only one of the many instances of him doing that.
jordan holmes
Yeah, fuck off.
dan friesen
And I try to steer away from that, but it just...
I don't know why.
It just became really glaring in this episode.
So this is the last clip.
alex jones
We're being held hostage!
I knew this was what was going on 12 weeks ago, but I wasn't sure about it until I saw it, and then when they said two weeks, I said, it's never, it's not two years, it's not 200 years, it's the end of civilization, and now they're bragging, hey, this is shutting off the economy, hey, this is going to stop the people producing, this is going to save...
But really, it's just taking over with modern feudalism.
Absolutely incredible.
Please remember that we have a lot of great products that have been out of stock, back in stock.
jordan holmes
Absolutely incredible.
dan friesen
Incredible.
jordan holmes
Incredible.
dan friesen
Bill Maher said something I'm mad about.
Buy my shit.
jordan holmes
Buy my buckets of food.
dan friesen
So we get to the end of the 6th, Alex's time on it, and I was like...
I gotta do the 7th now.
It's just not satisfying enough to me.
And I knew that something was happening in the larger conspiracy world that Alex hadn't touched on the 6th.
I'm like, he's going to.
And so I dove in on the 7th.
And, well, it didn't really start the way I expected it to.
alex jones
Here's the beginning of a report that's at man.video where Bill Gates becomes what appears to be sexually excited.
I mean, just pure joy and ecstasy on his face.
And his eyes gleam like he's a red-eyed demon when they talk about the global collapse that they now admit is going to kill more people this year than World War II did.
dan friesen
So Alex is leading the show talking about Bill Gates looking like he's got a boner.
jordan holmes
Okay.
All right.
Okay.
That's where I expected to go.
dan friesen
This is just the worst.
jordan holmes
He's got red eyes when he has a boner, Dan.
dan friesen
So there's that.
And I'm like, all right, what else you got, buddy?
alex jones
And Paul Watson wrote the article, pointless celebrities call for world not to return to normal, radical transformation of economies.
And he goes into how they're pathetic and no one listens to them.
Well, the point is they're the spokespersons for the new world order.
dan friesen
I've got to make a really important point here.
Alex is reporting on a Paul Joseph Watson article about how stupid these celebrities are and how pointless their statement is.
I had no idea these celebrities did this until I heard Alex complaining about it.
He may be one of the only people who actually really seems to care about this symbolic statement, and he's clearly furious about it since most of the beginning of this episode and a bit later in the episode is whining about it.
jordan holmes
Really?
dan friesen
Yes.
jordan holmes
Jesus.
dan friesen
I looked into it, and it's not just celebrities that signed on to this statement.
Sure, there are people like Madonna and Robert De Niro in the mix, but there's also Nobel Peace Prize winner Mohamed Yunus, the Nobel Prize in Chemistry winner Aaron Chechenover.
jordan holmes
That famous person?
dan friesen
Astrophysicist Hervé Dole.
jordan holmes
He's a celebrity.
dan friesen
And of course, Iggy Pop.
Anyway, their point wasn't that nothing can ever be good again or we gotta shut down forever.
It was more of an optimistic statement urging people to use this as an opportunity to recognize the parts of our old normal that were destructive and unnecessary.
And if we can get past this hurdle, Let's not just check out and go back to that same old normal for no reason.
It's basically just saying, we can do better.
unidentified
Yeah.
dan friesen
And this is an opportunity to do that.
The sentiment is fine, but I'll never get too juiced up by celebrities.
The same cannot be said for Alex.
He loves getting mad at famous people.
jordan holmes
I only have one response to that, and it is that now I want to be your dog, Dan.
That's what I want.
dan friesen
What do you...
jordan holmes
Iggy Pop.
dan friesen
Oh.
unidentified
Yeah.
dan friesen
Sorry.
jordan holmes
Come on, man.
dan friesen
I was like, I have a cat.
unidentified
What are you talking about?
dan friesen
Everyone knows this.
jordan holmes
Oh, come on.
unidentified
Come on, man.
dan friesen
Look, we know one thing about Alex Jones, and that is that, I mean...
jordan holmes
He's a racist?
dan friesen
We know two things about Alex Jones.
He's a racist, and he's really good with quotes.
jordan holmes
Oh, no.
dan friesen
He's really good with quotes.
alex jones
Marie Antoinette, in the French Revolution, when they stormed the Bastille, didn't really say, let them escape.
They used that to enrage the starving mass.
The Jacobins came out and they said, what does she say?
We've petitioned her to open up the grain stores.
And they said, the Queen says let them eat cake.
The truth is the Queen just didn't care and was out playing.
jordan holmes
That's the same thing!
alex jones
Whatever in the back, literally.
You've got hundreds of thousands of people from all over the countryside starving enough that come to town, a giant raging horde wanting food, and you're just hopping around at Versailles playing badminton.
Oh, I don't need to hear about them.
dan friesen
So Alex's story is nice, but it's also probably not true.
The story of an obviously oblivious queen responding to news of people starving and saying they should eat some expensive food, that long predates the time of Marie Antoinette.
The first time the specific phrase about let them eat cake, which is let them eat brioche, which ends up being let them eat cake, the first time that specific phrase is used is derived from Jean-Jacques Rousseau's Confessions, book six.
The instance of it doesn't say that Marie Antoinette said it, but was attributed to a, quote, great princess.
Marie was a child at that point in 1767, so scholars do not believe that he was talking about her.
As to Alex's theory about this being picked up and used against Marie Antoinette, I'll read to you here from Encyclopedia Britannica.
Quote, since Rousseau's writings inspired the revolutionaries, it has sometimes been supposed that they picked up on this quote, falsely credited to Marie Antoinette, and spread it as propaganda, as a way to rouse opponents in opposition to the monarchy.
Cool, cool, cool, cool.
It sounds like something they would have put in pamphlets attacking Marie Antoinette, but there's just no evidence of it.
But because it sounds good, Alex assumes it's true.
This is how he operates, because he's very dumb, and he doesn't do even basic looking into the ideas that he has.
jordan holmes
Lore!
Lore!
dan friesen
According to the Encyclopedia Britannica again, the first instance of this quote being attached to Marie Antoinette comes from 1843, and it's a guy debunking some rumors that she'd said that, which were circulating at that time 50 years after her death.
jordan holmes
How was she doing?
dan friesen
She was dead.
jordan holmes
Oh, damn it.
dan friesen
Also, Alex better be careful with this talk of Marie Antoinette playing badminton while her subject suffered.
It's been documented that since the first case of coronavirus in the United States, while he was seriously downplaying any need for concern...
jordan holmes
It'll be over in a week.
dan friesen
Trump has gone golfing at least six times.
jordan holmes
Yeah, I mean...
dan friesen
This is a parallel that's almost too easy to make.
Almost easy enough for one of his dumb listeners to accidentally put together, so you probably should avoid that.
jordan holmes
Yeah, that's a good idea.
dan friesen
Yeah, don't do that one.
jordan holmes
It's almost comically similar.
dan friesen
Yeah, almost like Alex is making that point himself.
unidentified
Yeah!
dan friesen
Is this satire?
jordan holmes
I don't know!
I don't know!
dan friesen
So Alex gets mad in this next clip about the kids.
The kids.
Oh, these kids.
alex jones
So they know what they're doing.
You want to get hurt?
You're going to get hurt real bad.
It's all here.
Everything you've ever wanted.
All of you that love abortion.
All of it love death.
All the weird trendies that are into killing their babies and pissing in their pants.
That's a big trendy thing right now.
jordan holmes
Totally.
alex jones
Don't worry.
It's all gone.
It's all going to be over.
Your welfare, your free goodies, all of it.
jordan holmes
Even my pants pee?
alex jones
Before you're first sterilized.
dan friesen
You got to get sterilized first.
jordan holmes
You got to get sterilized first.
dan friesen
So that pee in your pants thing was something that was started by a comedian who's trying to make a parody of the social media challenge type videos.
The hashtag pee your pants challenge.
This is yet another thing that I had absolutely not heard about at all until Alex complained about it.
Apparently, according to Infowars' website, this is very serious.
jordan holmes
Oh, it's serious.
dan friesen
This is a very serious matter.
jordan holmes
Oh, shit.
dan friesen
I guess my take on this would be a solid who gives a shit.
People do dumb things on social media, and this is just one of them.
It's kind of embarrassing to be a 46-year-old dude who takes time on his supposedly very important radio show to shake your fist at teens fucking around on TikTok.
But if that's what Alex thinks, that's how we're going to defeat the globalists, he has every right to be upset about it.
Go ahead.
jordan holmes
He's the tip of the spear, Dan.
He's protecting everyone in the Infowar.
dan friesen
The right is a long history of this sort of trivial performative outrage, though.
Like, you can easily imagine Rush Limbaugh being terrified the kids were posting videos of them doing stuff inspired by jackass, and how that was evidence of the generation's complete collapse being imminent.
jordan holmes
He wore a tan suit!
dan friesen
I guess the generation before that would be like people doing prank phone calls or something, right?
Getting mad about that.
jordan holmes
The Jerky Boys were a huge issue for the right.
dan friesen
I'm not entirely sure, but you get my point.
This is just that for now.
jordan holmes
All these kids asking me if my refrigerator is running and they are not asking for the very literal answer, Dan.
dan friesen
Do you have Prince Albert in a can?
jordan holmes
I do!
dan friesen
Get him out.
No one should have told Paul or Alex about TikTok.
It's just trouble.
Leave it alone.
jordan holmes
They're not supposed to be there.
dan friesen
There's a reason why I don't go anywhere near any of those apps.
jordan holmes
It's not for you.
dan friesen
No.
Leave it for the kids.
jordan holmes
Exactly!
dan friesen
So, like I mentioned when we started here on the 7th, there was something that I knew was happening in the conspiracy world that I hadn't heard Alex bring up, which I found surprising.
And that is, of course, the plandemic documentary that was going around in the circles.
jordan holmes
I've heard of this.
unidentified
Yes.
dan friesen
It's also apparently titled Doctors in Black.
jordan holmes
That sounds like a pretty good album, actually.
dan friesen
Here come the doctors in black.
Won't let you remember.
Call us D.I.B.s.
jordan holmes
Oh, no.
unidentified
Right.
dan friesen
The good Dr. Dressed in Black.
Remember that, just in case we have a face-to-face to make contact.
jordan holmes
Now I want to be your dog, but this is on your fucking radar.
dan friesen
I might know all the lyrics to the Men in Black theme song.
I definitely know all the lyrics to the Wild Wild West theme song.
jordan holmes
Yeah, I love that.
dan friesen
I had a period where I was really into Will Smith's soundtrack work.
unidentified
Really?
Yes.
jordan holmes
Why?
Why?
I don't know.
I'm fine with it.
dan friesen
I don't know.
I know that Wild Wild West was at least one of my karaoke numbers because I think it's a pretty funny song.
jordan holmes
It's a funny song.
dan friesen
I think what it was was I was fascinated when I was like 22 or so with the phenomenon of Will Smith just...
Doing songs that were the entire plots of movies.
I thought there was something really fun about that.
jordan holmes
It is kind of nice of him to give a good short synopsis in music form.
dan friesen
Yeah, and they became almost like little mini-movies for the music videos.
Those came out right when I was at the age where I was watching tons of music videos.
So I think it was just something that really fascinated me.
jordan holmes
What are you going to do?
dan friesen
And I'll still go to bat for that Wild Wild West theme song.
Wicked, wicked, wild, wicked, wild, wicked, wild, wicked, wild.
With Artemis, from the start of this, running the game, James West, team of the West, remember the name!
jordan holmes
I can't imagine explaining to, like, two generations further down, like, no, no, no, Will Smith used to be a rapper!
He did it!
He tried!
Have you heard that shit?
dan friesen
I think that even some people our age might be surprised by that.
jordan holmes
That's fair.
dan friesen
So Alex does get into talking about this documentary here, and he ends up playing quite a bit of it on this episode, in the same way that he played a ton of the David Icke thing on the period that we covered on our last episode.
It's the same thing.
He seems to just want to be off air, and playing a bunch of this documentary gives him the ability to do that.
alex jones
I want to take your calls.
There's also a banned documentary.
I like to air things that are banned, and it's very powerful.
jordan holmes
Is it called Bandemic?
alex jones
Doctors in Black.
Owen played part of it yesterday.
I want to play part of it today.
We're going to post it at man.video.
As well, a woman that worked very closely, was award-winning with Fauci, and she's exposing his criminal activities.
And for that, they tried to destroy her and put her in prison.
That's who these people are.
They're the top of the food chain.
dan friesen
So, Doctors in Black is part of the name of the plandemic quote-unquote documentary that's going around on social media, and I guess getting kicked off from stuff, too.
It's a garbage coronavirus conspiracy theory documentary, and from everything I've been able to tell, most of the actual content of it just covers the same kind of ground that Alex does regularly, so I'll be perfectly upfront with you guys.
I have not watched it, and God willing, I'll never be bored enough to.
I can't imagine sitting, I don't even know how long it is, but I know from my time, Back when I used to watch everything.
Every conspiracy documentary I could find.
Even if it's 20 minutes, too long.
Could have cut five.
jordan holmes
What are you, Leonard Maltin?
dan friesen
Yeah.
For conspiracy documentaries, yes.
They're all too long.
jordan holmes
Always.
dan friesen
So the hook of the film, as Alex pointed out there, I mean, it's the only thing that anybody is talking about in terms of this documentary, is that one of the talking heads in it is presented as being a Fauci whistleblower who the man tried to throw in jail for speaking the truth.
Which is all a load of bullshit, because of course it is.
This is Julie Makovitz, who is in the film to tell her tale of persecution and talk shit about Fauci.
Weirdly, she has a new book coming out about how bad Fauci is, so it's probably amazing press for that, but I'm sure that's not part of this at all.
jordan holmes
It's amazing her timing.
I'm sure she's been working on that book for years.
dan friesen
Oh, totally.
Maybe a couple months.
jordan holmes
It's a good time.
dan friesen
The basic story is this.
In 2009, Mikovic was one of many co-authors on a study where they connected a retrovirus called XMRV with chronic fatigue syndrome.
This was published in the journal Science, but as people tried to recreate her experiment and reproduce her results, they were finding that this retrovirus did not appear to have any connection with their chronic fatigue patients.
And no one seemed to be able to arrive at the same data she had in her paper.
This led to, at first, a partial retraction from the journal, and then, in December 2011, they published a full retraction.
From the retraction, quote, Hmm.
there's evidence of poor quality control in a number of specific experiments in the report.
At that time, Mikovits was a research director at Whittemore Peterson Institute for Neuroimmune Disease, which is a private business, not a part of Fauci's operation or anything.
In the fallout of science retracting the paper, she was one of the authors that strongly defended her conclusions, even after some questions popped up about misused figures, which is a very serious thing in terms of published research.
unidentified
Cool, cool.
dan friesen
It's unclear if it was related to this or not, but she was fired from the institute very shortly after.
Then she got sued by the Institute because they claimed she had, quote, wrongfully taken lab notebooks, a computer, and some proprietary data after she was terminated.
She was eventually arrested because she was a fugitive from this suit, not because she was releasing any damaging info or anything like that.
From that point on, she kind of became a careerist in the anti-vex world.
Tying her discredited work regarding XMRV to all sorts of things like autism, vaccines, and what have you.
She's just yet another in a long line of two who can't work in the actual field anymore who decide to take their appearance of credibility and sell it the only place they can, in the science denialism market.
She doesn't seem too interesting to me in that sense, and the only thing people keep bringing up about her is how the man tried to arrest her because she was putting out this whistleblowing shit, and that's nonsense.
There's no cover-up of any discussion about XMRV.
It's just that her conclusions are not supported by any other research.
And she may or may not have fabricated results in her initial paper.
unidentified
Cool.
dan friesen
The arrest wasn't even related to that.
It was because she allegedly stole from her employer.
Anyway, I don't care about this at all.
But it's caught fire in the dumb-dumb conspiracy world this week, so you knew it was only a matter of time for Alex to try to somehow cash in on it.
jordan holmes
I just wrote a book since you started.
Talking about her called Shitbag.
And it's going to be published immediately after her book.
Interesting.
I've been working on it for years, though.
dan friesen
Is this the draft that you sent me?
jordan holmes
Yes, exactly.
dan friesen
Interesting.
So, he does end up playing a bit of it, but he also will jump in and interrupt it a bit.
And before he gets to it, he says something that I honestly think, in the right...
Circumstances could lead to a lawsuit.
unidentified
Cool.
alex jones
No one would be there for two days.
People stake these things out.
dan friesen
Hospitals.
alex jones
Jersey, Alabama, New York, you name it.
jordan holmes
Not Pennsylvania, though.
alex jones
Colorado.
Hell, our own Tyler Nixon went out and showed it.
And they're on the news going, look at this line, body bags.
And you get there and it's like all these dudes in hazmat suits standing around for cameras.
No one ever goes in because they were actors.
dan friesen
So Alex should be very, very careful about calling people involved in high-profile tragedies actors.
jordan holmes
Why?
dan friesen
Well, I don't know if you heard about this, Jordan, but he's gotten into a bit of hot water about this in the past.
jordan holmes
Okay.
dan friesen
And this kind of seems like a situation where he's speaking specifically enough that he could probably go find that video that Tyler Nixon made and figure out what hospital he was at.
And man, if you happen to be a doctor at that hospital, you might be able to force a retraction out of Alex.
Trying to search for that video is difficult, though, primarily because there's also a porn star named Tyler Nixon, which makes it so if you search for Tyler Nixon Hospital, you get a bunch of very unhelpful results.
I tried to find the video and I can't figure out where it is, but if anyone works at a hospital and is recently in a video Tyler Nixon put out, Alex just called you an actor.
jordan holmes
Either Tyler Nixon.
dan friesen
Fun fact.
In 2011, also, Tyler Nixon had his license to practice law suspended after police found a bunch of weed and 57 ecstasy tabs divided in plastic bags that were clearly for sale in his possession.
jordan holmes
So that's why he became a porn star.
dan friesen
He was charged with drug trafficking.
He ended up pleading down to three misdemeanor drug charges, but he did not escape with his license intact, and he was sentenced to 60 days in jail.
Personally, I don't think that weed should be illegal, and ecstasy is probably generally fine.
I just think it's funny that Alex's friend and Roger Stone's supposed attorney was moonlighting as a drug dealer.
jordan holmes
Hey, you gotta make ends meet, Dan!
You gotta make ends meet!
dan friesen
Nothing wrong with that.
jordan holmes
He's an entrepreneur.
dan friesen
So, imagine, just imagine for a second, I don't know.
Rachel Maddow's lawyer gets busted for drug dealing.
Something like that.
Just imagine that.
Imagine how Alex would cover that.
That's the farce that I'm talking about.
jordan holmes
I think he would be fine with it.
dan friesen
Probably.
So, in this next clip, Alex talks about this Makovitz lady, Dr. Makovitz.
And all of this is just his imagination.
He's just making this up.
alex jones
Stop right there.
This woman is who she says, one of the top scientists, probably the top female virologists in the world.
jordan holmes
Really?
alex jones
And she's in there, and they're like, You're putting cancer viruses, you're putting whole genomes in people, and she was seeing it kill people.
Why do you think we're getting so unhealthy?
And they're like, whoa, lady, you're not supposed to tell people this.
dan friesen
None of that stuff is at all related to what ended up being her fall from grace.
Even her anti-vax stuff later in her career has nothing to do with the research that she was doing that was in that journal article that got retracted and ended up pretty much...
Torpedoing her career.
It's all a late addition to the story, and it's how you change your hustle.
And Alex is clearly...
I mean, because he wants to, he's fallen for it.
jordan holmes
The downfall of the human race is probably just going to be the fact that people want to believe stuff, and they will do anything and ignore anything.
dan friesen
It's a pretty negative thing.
So, in this next clip, Alex deals with, I would say...
A pretty basic problem with some of his ideas.
And that is like, okay, so let's assume that all this coronavirus, COVID-19 stuff is all a plan, right?
jordan holmes
Sure.
dan friesen
How did these globalists plan this out?
That seems like it would be hard.
You know, you'd leave a trail.
jordan holmes
Yeah.
dan friesen
Turns out they do it through drills.
jordan holmes
Oh, okay.
dan friesen
So all of the drills and everything were them planning secretly so they wouldn't get caught for whenever they launched the real thing.
jordan holmes
That's really smart.
dan friesen
So Alex talks about this, he rambles a little bit, and then there's a moment of this that broke my heart listening to this clip.
It was like when you see a juggler drop a ball.
It was like, oh no!
alex jones
It's all compartmentalized.
But if you study these big events, the UN has a drill.
John Hopkins has a drill.
jordan holmes
Twitter has a drill.
alex jones
The British government has a drill.
All these other groups have drills, and then they look at all the drills they've had, and they debate the scenarios, and they go, oh, let's create a new drill that, say, in 2020, 65 million people die from a coronavirus that escapes the lab.
That's in 2018, they had those drills.
And then, right as it starts, in November, October, November, Bill and Melinda Gates Foundation, with John Hopkins, who created the main global models, With the Rockefeller Foundation that created the original lockstep document 10 years before, and then they had the disease X-UN drill two years before, and then right as they launch it, they call it Event 201.
Advancing Kissinger's plan of Event 200.
It's in Memorandum 200.
Look it up.
Memorandum 200.
U.S. Code Telephony Chapter.
U.S. Code Chapter.
Title 50, Chapter 32, Subsection 1528, Paragraph B. And that all legalizes lethal biological, chemical, and radiological testing on you if it is for research or law enforcement purposes.
U.S. Code, Title 50, Chapter 32, Subsection 1528, Paragraph B. And then later they got so much attention they changed Paragraph B to another subsection they still operate under.
That's the reality of all of this.
jordan holmes
Is it?
alex jones
Think about it.
dan friesen
I'll think about it.
jordan holmes
Oh no!
dan friesen
That is so sad.
Alex can't remember how to rattle off his favorite subsection anymore reliably.
That's a thing that he does like a party trick to impress gullible people like Joe Rogan and Eddie Bravo and make them think he knows what he's talking about.
The end of that clip is one of the saddest things I've ever heard listening to Alex.
That's as sad as some of his really late night drunk things.
It brought to mind the idea of someone who rises to fame for doing some sort of trick that's really attention-grabbing, like Steve-O stapling his balls to his leg.
Then time passes, they're down on their luck and over the hill, begging people to be impressed by the trick that used to wow crowds.
People are just over it.
And to compound the sadness, they can't even really do the trick anymore, so it's just a pathetic spectacle of something that wouldn't be impressive anymore, even if executed perfectly.
It's a portrait in tragedy.
There's a whole lot of pathos in that moment of him trying again and again to land that line.
jordan holmes
Yeah, that's not good.
dan friesen
Brutal.
jordan holmes
That's not good.
That's a man whose fastball went from 95 to 81 and he doesn't know what to do about it.
dan friesen
And what makes it even worse and sadder is none of that stuff has anything to do with it.
jordan holmes
That's true.
It's just words.
It's just words.
dan friesen
Also, the words Event 200 do not appear anywhere in the text of Memorandum 200.
That's just something Alex is making up, because as he was riffing, he realized that Event 201 and Memorandum 200 are really close in terms of numbers, so why not fucking make something up?
jordan holmes
And how many inches are in the number 200, Dan?
Done!
dan friesen
We've talked about Memorandum 200 in the past.
It doesn't say the stuff Alex is claiming it does, and I have no interest in breaking it down again.
I just wanted to play that clip to show his absolute fabrication of Event 200, and because the moment of him trying and failing to say his favorite subsection is a real sad, sad moment.
And while I don't want to get into schadenfreude, I'm not above publicizing things that really show how pathetic Alex is.
So, enjoy.
But, if you have questions about the drill thing, if that clip didn't spell it all out, Alex, he's got you covered.
alex jones
And they show you how they do this in movies like Ender's Game.
I never read Ender's Game.
I didn't see it when it came out.
jordan holmes
Of course you did.
alex jones
It's obnoxious, I can barely watch it.
But notice, the super genius kid thinks he's doing a drill to go to the top of the class, and really he's defeating the aliens.
And he thinks it's a drill he's running, and that's kind of a metaphor of the joke of how this is not a drill, this is not a game, this is not a simulation.
unidentified
That's a metaphor of the joke.
dan friesen
What don't you get?
jordan holmes
It's pretty clear.
It's the metaphor of the joke.
dan friesen
Right.
Satire.
Maybe.
I don't know.
jordan holmes
I don't even think that would be what?
That would be an allegory, not a metaphor of a joke.
That's bad.
That's bad.
So is Ender's Game.
dan friesen
Ender's Game, though, it's telling you how they do this stuff.
jordan holmes
I loved that book when I was 15. Read it as an adult?
Ooh, not good.
dan friesen
Well, you might share some feelings with Alex then, because he ends up talking a little more about Ender's Game.
jordan holmes
I like Harrison Ford.
dan friesen
He seems pretty mad at Ender's Game.
jordan holmes
Sure.
alex jones
And of course, anybody who watches that movie knows how it's going to end.
They blow up the alien planet, which is supposedly the genius master move that no one had thought of when it's the elementary move of these psychotics to engage in genocide and total extermination, which is the purest form of war.
They're such geniuses.
They blow up the ant planet.
jordan holmes
They're called 4X.
alex jones
He's good and sneaks off with the baby queen to make a new one, which is them playing God.
We destroy you.
We rebuild you.
We destroy you.
We rebuild you.
More of this Illuminati crap.
No, thank you, Ender, a.k.a.
Jerkoff.
dan friesen
Man.
jordan holmes
He did not get the point of the rescue of the thing is him atoning for his massive mistakes.
Yeah, it's an atonement narrative, if you will.
dan friesen
Well, see, Alex, unlike Xi's daughter, didn't get a degree in English.
jordan holmes
That's true.
That's true.
Neither did I, so I could be wrong.
dan friesen
So, you know, a lot of this episode is not so great.
I mean, a lot of it is him playing that Plandemic shit.
I don't.
I do not care.
There are plenty of people who have gone over it and deconstructed why it's really terrible.
If you just Google, if you want to know more about that documentary, it's all taken care of already.
jordan holmes
Head to your local library.
dan friesen
So, we have one last clip here, and it's about this story about there was a salon owner in Texas.
jordan holmes
Yes, I've read about that.
dan friesen
Right.
So, the situation was that she wanted to open up her salon, and so she got arrested.
jordan holmes
Right.
dan friesen
And Dan Patrick, the lieutenant governor, and Abbott, the governor of Texas, had said, ah, she should be let out.
jordan holmes
Sure.
dan friesen
Right, but they just said that.
unidentified
Right.
dan friesen
They didn't actually do anything.
official which they could have done they could have and they didn't they just said hey come on let her out of it yeah and the judge said nah so then the state supreme court uh got uh you know they heard the case and they're like yeah you gotta let her out and so she's got she has been released by the time we're recording this episode right Which is good.
She shouldn't be in prison for that, particularly during this situation.
jordan holmes
No one should be in prison during this situation.
dan friesen
Especially non-violent folks.
Maybe she should get a fine or something.
I don't fucking know.
I don't know what the right answer is, but whatever the case is, Alex is trying to pretend that the situation is that the governor, Abbott, he commuted her sentence.
The judge said, no, I don't care.
jordan holmes
Oh, man.
dan friesen
Right, so he's trying to say that this judge was acting in some kind of a way that was...
jordan holmes
Rogue judge!
dan friesen
Exactly.
As opposed to it just being like, hey, Abbott and Patrick had commented that they don't agree, as opposed to actually taking any official motion.
jordan holmes
Martial law!
dan friesen
Right.
So this is the narrative in the way that Alex is presenting that story, which is fraudulent.
But it does lead to him saying this, which I think is way revealing.
alex jones
Well, what do you make of the judge?
The governor tells him to let her loose, and he won't do it.
unidentified
Well, I can't tell you.
alex jones
That's just like judges ignoring Trump, saying they're above him.
unidentified
That's not how it works.
dan friesen
Alex believes that Trump is above the courts.
jordan holmes
Now, one thing that I have read a million times, if I'm Alex, is the Constitution.
Well, is it four pages?
If I've read the Constitution, and I'm Alex, I've read it so many times, I've just memorized it, I keep a pocket Constitution with me at all times, and I can tell you right now that the Constitution says...
Trump is the king, right?
There are three not-separate nor co-equal branches of government that Trump runs personally.
dan friesen
Well, I will say that, you know, I mean, Alex is at least consistent about this.
unidentified
Yeah.
dan friesen
Because back when Obama was in office, you know, whenever there were instances where Obama disagreed with the court, Alex did go to bat for him and say that Obama is more powerful than the courts.
jordan holmes
Just don't understand people who say they read the Constitution.
dan friesen
To be clear.
Because I speak deadpan a lot of the time, I gotta be real straight up.
Alex did not do that.
I know.
That is not true.
You would never say that about anybody else.
This is ridiculous.
jordan holmes
He wants Trump to be God King.
dan friesen
The executive is above the judicial.
jordan holmes
That's crazy.
That's just crazy.
Just say you want a fucking king because you think you're gonna fare better and everybody else can go fuck themselves.
dan friesen
I mean, more or less.
So that brings us to the end of this episode.
And I think it's not the most interesting stretch of time.
He's really in a lot of holding patterns of yelling about coronavirus stuff and trying to drift along in the wake of other things.
Like last time it was David Icke's publicity stunt.
And this episode it's the Plandemic documentary.
And he's just trying to get whatever he can.
And I guess it's kind of working, but who cares?
I don't really care.
jordan holmes
It seems like he's very distracted, and I don't know what he would be distracted by.
dan friesen
It rhymes with Borum Badis.
Yeah, I mean, he's got trouble.
He's got troubles mounting all around him, and we will see what happens in the near future.
jordan holmes
He's such a dick.
I just, I don't get...
Why it is so hard for people to just not...
People are getting killed.
People are dying.
People are dying all the time.
We're gonna get up to 3,000 per day according to their own fucking projections and we're still doing this shit.
The stakes are not fucking Obama has a goddamn tan suit.
Be a dick while Obama has a tan suit.
Fine.
dan friesen
No, you're right.
I mean, the stakes are past the point where this sort of behavior should be seen as, eh, it's people with different opinions.
jordan holmes
Yeah, no, this is killing people.
dan friesen
The problem is that you have to find a way to retain a lot of the freedom of speech and a lot of the freedoms that we enjoy while taking things as seriously as they need to be taken.
And like I'm saying, I don't know how you do that, but...
It's not normal times.
I don't know what the answer is.
jordan holmes
Nope.
dan friesen
So, anyway, we'll be back, Jordan.
jordan holmes
Indeed we will.
dan friesen
On Monday.
But until then, we have a website.
jordan holmes
We do.
It's KnowledgeFight.com.
dan friesen
You bet.
We're also on Twitter.
jordan holmes
We are on Twitter.
It's at KnowledgeFight.
Now go to BetJordan.
dan friesen
We're also on Facebook.
jordan holmes
We are on Facebook.
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Patreon.
But if you would like, please donate to a local charity in your area.
dan friesen
You bet.
We'll be back.
But until then, I'm Neo.
I'm Leo.
I'm DZXClark.
I'm six inches, six inches, six inches, 636.
unidentified
Ooh.
dan friesen
36. I'm 36 years old.
Holy shit.
36. Oh, my God.
I'm the devil.
alex jones
Andy in Kansas.
You're on the air.
Thanks for holding.
unidentified
Hello, Alex.
I'm a first-time caller.
I'm a huge fan.
I love your work.
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