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May 13, 2020 - Knowledge Fight
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#432: May 10-11, 2020

Today, Dan and Jordan discuss how the week began on The Alex Jones Show. In this installment, Alex gets freaked out by bill numbers he thinks are satanic, falls for an internet hoax about New Guinea, and gets intensely hung up on the idea of men wearing pink.

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alex jones
13:17
d
dan friesen
01:22:18
j
jordan holmes
20:49
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b
bill gates
00:26
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david icke
00:08
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Speaker Time Text
alex jones
I'm sick of them posing as if they're the good guys, saying we are the bad guys.
Knowledge fight.
unidentified
Dan and Jordan, knowledge fight.
alex jones
We need money.
Andy in Kansas.
Andy in Kansas.
jordan holmes
Stop it.
alex jones
Andy in Kansas.
Andy in Kansas.
It's time to pray.
Andy in Kansas.
You're on the air.
Thanks for holding.
jordan holmes
Hello, Alex.
unidentified
I'm a first-time caller.
I'm a huge fan.
alex jones
I love your world.
unidentified
Knowledge Fight.
alex jones
KnowledgeFight.com I love you.
dan friesen
Hey, everybody.
Welcome back to Knowledge Fight.
I'm Dan.
jordan holmes
I'm Jordan.
dan friesen
We're a couple dudes who like to sit around, drink novelty beverages, and talk just a little bit about Alex Jones.
jordan holmes
Indeed we are, Dan.
dan friesen
Jordan.
jordan holmes
Jordan.
Quick question.
What's your bright spot today?
dan friesen
I don't know.
You go first.
jordan holmes
My bright spot, Dan, is Dennis Rodman.
dan friesen
I know you were texting me about watching The Last Dance.
jordan holmes
Yeah, I broke down.
I'd been avoiding it.
And finally I was like, I need sports so bad I'll watch a documentary.
And of course I fucking loved it because I'm a huge Chicago Bulls fan.
dan friesen
Sure, how could you not be?
You're a man of a certain age.
jordan holmes
Exactly!
And I remember specifically loving Dennis Rodman so much, but I was only like...
8 to 10 at the time.
And I remember all of the anti- just queer identity stuff that I got from my moralizing- Like him marrying himself and whatever.
Yeah, just everybody with this whole like, oh, you can't do that and all that shit.
And then I'm watching the documentary and I'm remembering, man, everybody did him wrong and he was fucking awesome.
I love Dennis Rodman so much.
dan friesen
Enough to undo his run in the WCW and how he's friends with Kim Jong-un.
jordan holmes
Yeah, why not?
Kim Jong-un isn't even sure of anymore.
I love Dennis Rodman.
dan friesen
All right.
jordan holmes
Maybe not now, but in the 90s, man, that guy was amazing.
dan friesen
He was a very interesting character.
Love him.
Part of those rough-and-tumble Detroit Pistons with Bill Landy.
jordan holmes
Oh, yeah.
Best on-ball defender and rebounder that anybody had ever seen.
dan friesen
No doubt about it.
jordan holmes
No clue how good he was.
dan friesen
I guess my bright spot is there's been some nice recommendations from people about various seltzers to try, and I'm thrilled that people are getting in on the act.
And simultaneously, I'd like to thank some of the people who have had dissenting opinions.
About not liking seltzer, but also still being cool with the fact that I've embarked down this weird road.
I appreciate both of these responses that people are having.
Because they're tolerant of my nonsense.
So, Jordan, today we've got an interesting episode to go over.
We're going to be talking about May 10th and 11th, 2020.
I'm Dan, this is 2020.
That is Sunday and Monday of this week.
I kind of hope to throw Tuesday in as well.
Keep us super up to date.
Couldn't do it.
It was just too much.
There is so much going on on these episodes, and Alex is wrong about so much in so many different ways.
jordan holmes
Well, that's exciting.
dan friesen
Yeah, it's actually remarkably fascinating to me how many different ways he can be wrong.
jordan holmes
Yeah, it's a master class.
dan friesen
Yes, more or less.
He's going to teach you how to cook and be wrong about things.
jordan holmes
Yeah, I love it.
dan friesen
And we'll get down to business on that, but before we do, we've got to say thank you to some folks who have signed up and are supporting the show.
So, first, Robert.
Thank you so much.
You are now a policy wonk.
alex jones
I'm a policy wonk.
jordan holmes
Thank you, Robert.
dan friesen
Next, Marceau.
Thank you so much.
You are now a policy wonk.
alex jones
I'm a policy wonk.
jordan holmes
Thank you very much, Marceau.
dan friesen
Thank you, Marceau.
Next, great name, Daniel.
Thank you so much.
You are now a policy wonk.
alex jones
I'm a policy wonk.
jordan holmes
Thank you, Daniel.
dan friesen
Thank you, Daniel.
Next, Graham.
And it's spelled G-R-A-E-M-E.
Great spelling of Graham.
Thank you so much.
You are now a policy wonk.
alex jones
I'm a policy wonk.
jordan holmes
Thank you, Graham.
unidentified
Thank you, Graham.
dan friesen
Next, Bailey.
Thank you so much.
You are now a policy wonk.
alex jones
I'm a policy wonk.
jordan holmes
Thanks, Bailey.
dan friesen
Thank you, Bailey.
Next, Claddy Pat.
Thank you so much.
You are now a policy wonk.
alex jones
I'm a policy wonk.
jordan holmes
Thank you, Claddy Pat.
dan friesen
And Alyssa R. Thank you so much.
You are now a policy wonk.
alex jones
I'm a policy wonk.
jordan holmes
Thanks, Alyssa.
dan friesen
Thank you, Alyssa.
And then finally, I'd like to say thank you to a couple people who donated on an elevated level.
We appreciate that very much.
So first...
Craig, thank you so much.
You are now a technocrat.
And second-generation Rosicrucian, thank you so much.
You are now a technocrat.
alex jones
I'm a policy wonk.
Crikey, mate, that's fantastic.
Have yourself a brew.
How's your 401k doing, bro?
We gotta go full tilt boogie on this, Watson, alright?
Let's just get down to business.
We ain't making that money off that heroin.
Why are you pimps so good?
My neck is freakishly large.
I declare...
dan friesen
Thank you so much, Craig, and thank you so much, second-generation Rosicrucian.
jordan holmes
Yes, thank you very much to the both of you.
dan friesen
If you're out there listening and you're thinking, hey, I enjoyed the show, I'd like to support what these gents do, you can do that by going to our website, knowledgefight.com, clicking the button that says support the show, we would appreciate it, or if you'd like to, please do feel free to take that generosity and send it over to a local charity in your area that helps people in need.
jordan holmes
Yeah, we would love it if you did either.
dan friesen
Indeed.
So, Jordan, um...
We got to do a little bit of an update on the year of the seltzer.
unidentified
Of course.
dan friesen
But I should also say that, speaking of knowledgefight.com and people who are supporting the show, I believe sometime today, on Wednesday, as you're listening to this episode...
There should be a part one of a Q&A series.
unidentified
Yes!
dan friesen
Just on our homepage, knowledgefight.com, there will be a streaming player of a Q&A thing that you and I did where we answered some audience questions.
jordan holmes
And we did it together!
dan friesen
Yes, and we also drank some seltzers and tried them out and gave some thank yous.
So there's some PolicyWalk shoutouts on that to be found and for your enjoyment.
Feel free to listen to it now if it's up.
Or, hey, if you want to wait until Thursday, give yourself a nice little bridge between our Wednesday and Friday episodes.
jordan holmes
Can't go a day without content.
dan friesen
I didn't want to put it up on the regular podcast stream because I felt like it might be overburdening people.
But it's there if people want it.
So that's my feeling.
jordan holmes
Go for it.
dan friesen
So, in terms of the year of the seltzer, we're up to 55 seltzers now.
There's a lot of progress being made here.
And, you know, all's good on the western front, as they say.
All quiet on the western front.
I got some Whole Foods brand seltzers.
They come in large glass bottles.
And they're great.
jordan holmes
Whole Foods brand seltzers in large bottles.
Spectacular.
dan friesen
Sparkling mineral water is so good.
jordan holmes
Okay.
dan friesen
I've tried two of them so far.
I've got a strawberry coming in at $65.
jordan holmes
That's good.
dan friesen
And lemon raspberry coming in at $72 because it was better.
jordan holmes
Lemon raspberry.
dan friesen
Yes.
Very good.
Very good.
jordan holmes
I wouldn't buy that flavor combination normally.
dan friesen
One of the reasons that I ended up buying these is they're cheap as hell.
And because one of them was like an elderberry something or other.
And I was looking at the bottle and I'm like, I would never buy this.
But then I realized I don't know what elderberry tastes like.
jordan holmes
No clue what it is.
dan friesen
I have no idea.
It could be great.
It could be terrible.
jordan holmes
I don't know.
dan friesen
So we'll find out.
But also there's one that is a pineapple passion fruit.
And I have a slight expectation that that might end up being one of the ones that breaks into the 80s.
jordan holmes
One of the greats.
unidentified
Yeah.
jordan holmes
Okay.
dan friesen
The 90s bowls of seltzers, if you will.
It's possible this could be Rodman.
Like, pineapple, if done well, is fantastic.
jordan holmes
Great.
dan friesen
And I'm realizing that I may have an unknown or unrealized love of passion fruit, as we've discussed.
unidentified
Yes.
dan friesen
So that could end up being like a dark horse.
Whole Foods pineapple passion fruit.
But I'm keeping it in the fridge because I don't want it.
It's Schrodinger's Amazing Seltzer for now.
jordan holmes
Right, right, right, right.
dan friesen
I feel like I have to get through every coconut one I can find and be disappointed and horrified before I treat myself to something so wonderful as Pineapple Passion.
jordan holmes
We'll see.
dan friesen
So, Jordan, today, like I said, we're going over May 10th and 11th.
A lot of fucked up nonsense to get through, and I'm excited to do it.
But first, here's an Out of Context Drop from today's show.
alex jones
What are we doing today?
Doing the same thing we do every day, Pinky.
Taking over the world.
That's Pinky in the brain.
dan friesen
You bet it is.
Thank God he psyched that.
jordan holmes
Thank you.
Thank you for reminding us that it was Pinky in the brain that he's referencing there.
unidentified
Yep.
jordan holmes
Even as he gets the quote fucking wrong.
unidentified
Did he?
jordan holmes
Yeah.
It's time to try to take over the world, not take over the world.
dan friesen
Stickler.
jordan holmes
They never actually succeed in taking over the world, Dan.
dan friesen
That is true.
As far as I recall from my pinky-in-the-brain viewings, there was not one where it just ended like, hey, we did it!
jordan holmes
Yeah, that would be great, though.
dan friesen
So here, we're going to start on the 10th.
That's Sunday, and Alex has a number of narratives that he wants to get busy on, and this first one is about people in foreign countries taking chips.
alex jones
And I'm going to lay it all out for you today.
Did you know, starting five years ago in Sweden, they also do it in other countries, that you get free bus rides if you take an implantable microchip.
And last time I read, more than 10,000 people in Stockholm, where you get Stockholm Syndrome named from.
Wow.
Congrats.
More than 10,000 people, I guess, have Stockholm Syndrome in Stockholm, the pilot city and took implantable chips.
Well, Look at this.
Look at this little juicy.
Benjamin Netanyahu says he wants every child in Israel next year to get chips.
And the Israeli Intelligence Agency will run the whole thing.
Just like that, you're inside the New World Order.
dan friesen
Just like that.
So, there's some misrepresentations going on here, and some irresponsible reporting.
jordan holmes
Like when he called news a little piece of juicy?
dan friesen
Well, we should be used to that by now.
jordan holmes
That's gross.
dan friesen
That's kind of par for the course for this guy.
So, the way he tells this story about Sweden, there's an arrangement where if you agree to take an implantable microchip, you can get free bus rides.
What he's referring to is a pilot program that a train company called SJ tried in 2017, where people could use implantable chips to store their electronic train tickets on this chip.
I found an article about this in the Independent, and this line seems particularly relevant.
Well, yeah.
So it's people who already have a chip.
jordan holmes
Yeah, people who are already kind of into body mods, and they're just like, hey, if you're already here, let's try this out, and you guys can try it out, and then we're good.
Yeah, everybody's consenting.
dan friesen
Yeah.
The biohacking idea took root in startup companies, with the amp plant being offered to be used as an optional way to access buildings, and was specifically designed to not be able to be tracked.
A 2017 article in the Washington Post is really clear that the chip, quote, has no built-in power supply and can't send signals about its position.
Obviously, there are concerns one could have about what the technology could grow into in the future and the challenges it could present in terms of privacy, but this basic tech doesn't seem to be that effective in terms of being the evil New World Order Mark of the Beast that Alex wants to present it as.
jordan holmes
I don't know, it sounds pretty Mark of the Beast-y.
Sounds pretty much right in line.
unidentified
Mark of the Beast-y boys.
jordan holmes
Yeah, nice.
Alright, come on now.
dan friesen
So anyway, these 2,000 or so people already have implanted chips, and this train company decided to test if they could use them to store tickets.
Yeah, yeah, yeah.
want to get one of these chips, there's still tons of other ways you can buy tickets to ride and do all the other things that the chip enables you to do, like get into buildings.
unidentified
Yeah, yeah, yeah.
dan friesen
You still have a key card.
jordan holmes
I'm always fascinated by how terrified these people are of...
of a computer chip and yet at the same time they're carrying around a phone that can be remotely turned on without their knowledge that they're saying.
unidentified
Right.
Like, you know, one of those is more scary.
dan friesen
Some of these articles about this Swedish chip thing very clearly bring that point up.
jordan holmes
Yeah.
unidentified
Yeah.
jordan holmes
It seems very obvious.
dan friesen
A July 2019 article in the New York Post estimated that approximately 4,000 people in Sweden had gotten this chip implant by that point, and I have no idea where Alex is getting his 10,000 in Stockholm numbers from.
I would assume he's just exaggerating it from headlines like, quote, thousands of Swedes are inserting microchips under their skin from NPR.
And that number is not 10,000.
He's just assuming.
That's what I guess is going on.
jordan holmes
Yeah, it says thousands must be 10. Making a round number.
dan friesen
The story about what Benjamin Netanyahu has proposed is something completely different.
He's suggested that as a part of reopening after the coronavirus, Israel should put chips in all school children, which would then make beeping noises if they got too close to each other, which presumably would help with enforcing social distancing.
jordan holmes
That doesn't sound like a great idea, but okay.
dan friesen
Experts have roundly rejected the idea, saying it's practically unfeasible, very likely legally impossible, and wouldn't achieve the desired result, even if it were possible to implement.
It seems, from what I can tell, that this proposal is not going to get off the ground.
And a point brought up by cyber resilience expert Enot Mehran in an article in the Jerusalem Post, he kind of makes clear why.
Quote, Can the state take responsibility for that?
unidentified
There are a ton of reasons, including concerns like that, why this would be a very unwise system for a state to put in place.
dan friesen
And until I see evidence of the contrary, this kind of seems like a world leader blowing hard about dumb ideas about how they envision returning to some kind of normalcy.
Yeah.
unidentified
And let's not forget that just back in January, Netanyahu was, quote, charged with bribery and fraud and breabody.
dan friesen
For what?
These cases are ongoing, and since he hasn't been convicted, he's still able to legally serve as prime minister, but that may not go on indefinitely.
jordan holmes
Isn't that wild?
unidentified
Yeah.
jordan holmes
The laws are crazy.
dan friesen
Anyway, the point here is that these two situations with microchips are completely different.
One of them is a passive chip that's not run by the government and does not track people being used when they're using it like a key card, whatever.
The other is a government suggesting putting geolocating chips in children.
It's pretty dishonest to have a conversation where you treat these as equivalent or even related things just because they involve microchips.
jordan holmes
Especially since one of them, it took me all of four seconds to be like, that's a terrible idea.
Stop that.
Sure.
Very easy.
Very easy to know that nobody's going to follow through on Netanyahu's ridiculous nonsense.
dan friesen
I mean, I don't want to say that no one will because the world is wild now.
jordan holmes
I assume Turkey will.
dan friesen
You can have a conversation about how the idea of this Sweden program is what this could facilitate or grow into or whatever.
If you want to have that conversation, by all means, go ahead.
But talking about it on the merits, it's not even close to the same thing as what Netanyahu's proposing.
And I find it offensive when Alex just makes them the same thing.
So Alex gets talking and boy, this guy fucking loves history.
I'll tell you what.
It's impressive.
alex jones
I mean, with the old Vikings, a lot of the Viking tribes, when a man died, they would take his wife and sometimes his daughters, because they owned them, and they would tie them up on a boat, a ship, and send them out in the water on fire together so they could go to Valhalla together.
jordan holmes
I'm listening.
Is that Netanyahu's idea?
alex jones
Now, why did people act like that?
Why did every culture end up setting things up like that?
Well, I have the answers.
dan friesen
So, just to be clear, Alex's reason for the cultures all doing this is because interdimensional demons are telling them to sacrifice humans for their pleasure or something.
unidentified
There we go.
dan friesen
And this is based on Alex's deep research.
Unfortunately, this appears to be yet another thing that Alex saw in a movie and decided to call deep research.
For one thing, Viking funerals at sea were absolutely not the standard for people of the Scandinavian tribes that we call Vikings.
You can easily see how absurdly expensive that would become if you were making boats and burning them at sea for every person who died.
jordan holmes
Infinite resources, Dan.
Come on, Dan.
dan friesen
Sure.
There were some people who had funeral pyres and boats on the sea, but the historical record tends to indicate that these were reserved for really important people.
The different groups that are all lumped in as Viking were not a uniform culture, but most people were cremated or just barren.
typically however boats were really important symbol in their culture representing safe passage to the afterlife so people would often be buried with parts of their boats or even cooler their burial mounds would be made to resemble ships themselves who that is fun this was far more common than the funeral at sea, but the funeral at sea is what's always depicted in movies.
So someone who only watches movies and decides that studying, you know, that That's basically the same thing.
You probably think that it's super common and what they did for everybody.
Yeah.
unidentified
This thematic touch where the Norse dead is put on a boat and then they shoot fire arrows at it, like Alex is describing.
dan friesen
That doesn't come from history.
It actually started in the 1958 film The Vikings, and it's been a really popular trope ever since then.
jordan holmes
It is really fucking cool.
dan friesen
It is.
jordan holmes
I mean, let's be honest.
It's really cool.
dan friesen
And that's why it stuck around.
jordan holmes
How did they even hit it?
It's so far away!
dan friesen
Yeah.
So one of the difficulties on this subject is the actual written history, the record about Viking peoples is limited.
So there's a bit of uncertainty about what the precise reasons were for why they did the things they did in terms of funeral rituals.
It's a really diverse set of funeral rituals.
A lot of them seem to involve chaos.
So it's really tough to know exactly what was going on.
There may have been some instances of Norsemen being buried with their wives, like murdered, you know, but what was far more common was them killing slaves to be buried with the person to help them on their trip to the afterlife, which is something that you unfortunately do see in a lot of older cultures.
Also, there's no reason for Alex just to think that women were property in Viking communities.
There's strong archaeological evidence that women were in fact not property.
There have been merchant scales found in women's graves, which indicates that they were involved in trading and thus allowed to have some sort of autonomous life.
Additionally, in 1904, the remains of the Ulfsberg ship were found in Vestfold, Norway.
The ship was a funeral vessel which served as the burial site for two important Norse women who died around 834 CE.
This is like a particularly large boat casket, 70 feet long, 17 feet wide, and 30 feet high.
So it gives the strong evidence that these were women who had a particularly important position in their community, which Alex would not think is possible because he's only seen movies and TV shows.
And maybe played the Witcher, because that sort of Viking-ish, the Skellige Islands.
They have that whole thing where they burn a boat.
jordan holmes
Skellige, yeah.
Love it.
dan friesen
This is not to say that these communities were egalitarian or equitable.
That's not...
Fair, probably.
But just the perspective that Alex has on these people is not something he's gained from research.
It's just that he watched some TVs and movies.
He knows nothing.
unidentified
Yeah, yeah, yeah.
dan friesen
This is nonsense.
jordan holmes
He's not read a book.
He could not tell you whether or not a ship is still a ship if all of its parts have been replaced.
dan friesen
It's an interesting philosophical question.
jordan holmes
It's difficult to answer.
dan friesen
Sure.
jordan holmes
And also, there's one made out of toenails, so there's that too.
dan friesen
I have an interesting philosophical question to ask you.
jordan holmes
What's that?
dan friesen
If...
You're Alex Jones, and you're circling the drain desperately, and things are falling apart.
unidentified
Right.
jordan holmes
This is a hypothetical, right?
dan friesen
Should you follow through with the plan that you had before the virus outbreak, where you start talking more about Seth Rich?
jordan holmes
Hmm.
I can't think of any reason why not.
alex jones
Oh.
Big article at National File.
They've got a great headline, but it should have been this.
NSA has communications between Seth Rich and WikiLeaks, attorney claims.
I read the article, Cy Hirsch, two-time Pulitzer Prize winner, most respected as you can get.
He's now talked to the FBI agents and others.
They've seen it.
They all know it.
Seth Rich was the leaker.
dan friesen
So, the story here is that this guy named, this lawyer named Ty Clevenger, he's come out and he's made some claims regarding Seth Rich that he's failed to substantiate in any way.
jordan holmes
I wonder how.
dan friesen
His first claim is that he's been told that the NSA or other related agencies are in possession of communications between Seth Rich and WikiLeaks.
There's no evidence provided for this claim, but that's never stopped Alex from believing something before.
Clevenger, he claims that, quote, several high-ranking FBI and NSA officials have seen the correspondence between Rich and WikiLeaks firsthand, to which I say, prove it.
Let's see the evidence on that, buddy.
jordan holmes
Is he talking about a few lieutenant colonels?
unidentified
Probably.
jordan holmes
Yeah, I think he's probably talking about some lieutenant colonels.
dan friesen
So Clevenger goes on to claim that he has a recording of Seymour Hersh talking to one of his clients and claiming that he spoke to someone at the FBI who confirmed emails between Rich and WikiLeaks.
This recording is not available on the InfoWars article about this, nor the National File, one that I think Alex is referring to.
So, to this, I say, let's see that audio.
unidentified
Yeah.
dan friesen
Because I have found some audio that purports to be leaked Seymour Hersh phone calls, and they don't prove any of this stuff.
They're related to this topic somewhat, but they don't prove any of these claims.
jordan holmes
Well, yeah, but you're just not listening to the right ones, Dan.
dan friesen
Sure, maybe.
But they're not providing any of them, so I don't know what the fuck to do.
This guy needs to put up, is what I'm saying.
jordan holmes
I think he's one of those guys who doesn't want to put up for some reason.
unidentified
Probably.
jordan holmes
I think he's just one of those guys who's like, I don't need to put up.
dan friesen
So this seems to be a conspiracy theorist taking threads that have existed from the beginning of the Seth Rich bullshit and pretending that they're new.
The Seymour Hersh thing was a claim that goes back to at least 2017 when Hersh himself debunked it.
One of the OG Seth Rich conspiracists, Ed Botowski, who's a Trump associate and donor, said he, quote, became convinced that the FBI had a report concluding that Seth Rich's laptop showed that he had contacts with WikiLeaks after speaking to the legendary reporter Seymour Hirsch, who was also investigating Rich's death.
According to the transcripts in the lawsuit, Botowski says Hirsch had an FBI source who confirmed the report.
That's from a 2017 thing.
NPR interviewed Hirsch about this, and he said, quote, I hear gossip.
Butowski took two and two and made 45 out of it.
jordan holmes
Yeah.
Yeah.
That sounds about right.
dan friesen
This misrepresentation of Hirsch was passed from Butowski to Fox News, who ended up feeding the flames of the initial propaganda about this.
Which ended in lawsuits.
jordan holmes
Everybody came out fine.
Smelling like roses.
dan friesen
This is exactly what Clevenger is talking about.
And I know that because I found a July 2019 blog post on the website Lawflog, which was written by Ty Clevenger himself, where he discusses how Ed Butowski is one of his clients.
jordan holmes
F-Log's Lawflog?
dan friesen
Yes.
jordan holmes
Is that the one?
dan friesen
Yeah.
Another reason that I'm kind of worried about Clevenger's work is because he also said in this post about the Seth Rich stuff, new, new stuff.
Back to the NSA.
Former NSA officials Bill Binney, Ed Loomis, and Kirk Wiebe are prepared to testify that the DNC emails published by WikiLeaks could not have been obtained via hacking.
This is a huge problem because Bill Binney has walked back that claim.
And from everything I can tell, he would not testify to that in court because he was shown that his assertions about download speeds were completely wrong.
This, again, is another element of these claims being made by Clevenger that just seems to be the old Seth Rich conspiracy shit being reintroduced and pretending that it all hasn't already been discredited.
This is pretty sad, and honestly, we've done this already, so I'm not going to waste my time watching Alex pretend there's new information here.
Alex better be fucking careful, though, because this is a topic that has led to a number of people being sued already, and the family of Seth Rich does not seem thrilled that people are keeping this alive.
jordan holmes
Yeah, I think in his situation, though, part of him must be like, what else do you got?
You know, like, oh, you're gonna sue me?
Yeah, join the fucking club.
You know, like, oh, you're going to be the last one to sue me.
If I have any money left at the end of this, you still won't get any.
dan friesen
I might be able to get a little press out of getting sued, and then maybe I can make an arrangement or something.
I can settle.
Whatever.
jordan holmes
Yeah, and all in service of jangling keys away from his guy being the worst human being on the planet.
unidentified
Yep.
dan friesen
And having to deal with that.
jordan holmes
Yeah, he doesn't want to do that.
dan friesen
No.
And one of the ways he's, you know, distracted attention, I understand already we're all over the place, and that's because this episode is one of the rare instances where Alex is throwing spaghetti at the wall.
unidentified
Yeah, yeah, yeah.
dan friesen
Viking funerals.
jordan holmes
No more narratives are working, so let's see what we can...
Figure out, yeah.
dan friesen
But of course, a lot of it does still end up having to be about, like, coronavirus denialism.
jordan holmes
Sure, sure.
dan friesen
And one of the big things that he's done with that is, you know, to craft the giant conspiracy is, of course, Bill Gates' patent 060606.
jordan holmes
Right, right, right, right.
dan friesen
The patent of the devil.
Yes.
Unfortunately, the number six has come back up in another place.
jordan holmes
Okay.
alex jones
Congress introduces bill to allow government to mass test Americans for COVID-19 in their homes forcibly.
And ladies and gentlemen, let me give you the bill number, shall I?
6666.
jordan holmes
That's one too many, buddy.
alex jones
Five months ago.
Got a patent on 2020.
060606.
To track you with either a chip or a bracelet.
dan friesen
I gotta say that it's so unsatisfying how all the satanic shit that Alex tries to build up is not actually ever 666.
jordan holmes
I know!
dan friesen
I understand that the bill number is just sixes, but it's not 666.
That patent filing number may have been 060606, but that is not 666.
If the number of the beast is 666, that isn't Revelation saying, hey weirdo, look out for numbers that remind you of 666.
It's saying that the specific number of the beast...
It's 666.
6666 is not 666, and I reject this lazy level of devil baiting.
jordan holmes
No, the devil is fungible, Dan.
The devil is always willing to play a little game around on you.
dan friesen
The devil is a suggestion.
Get the fuck out of here.
So here are some other bills that have the number 6666, and let's bask in the pure evil of this bill number.
jordan holmes
All right, let's do it.
dan friesen
In the 2017-2018 legislative session, the New York State Senate passed Bill 6666, which, quote, relates to authorizing the care and treatment of injured employees by duly licensed and certified acupuncturists under the Workers' Compensation Program.
jordan holmes
Devil uses acupuncture next.
dan friesen
Injured workers can now go see an acupuncturist.
Pure devilry!
jordan holmes
Exactly.
dan friesen
Governor Cuomo ended up vetoing this bill, though, so does that mean that Cuomo was fighting the devil?
Let's not get bogged down into it, because this shit runs deep.
Who could forget about the deep-seated Satanism in 2018's U.S. House of Representatives Bill, H.R. 6666?
Or as you might remember it, quote, the bill to authorize the Secretary of the Interior to grant to states and local governments easements and rights of way over federal land within Gateway National Recreation Area for construction, operation, and maintenance of projects for control and prevention of flooding and shoreline erosion.
jordan holmes
That sounds...
Exactly like the devil.
dan friesen
It gives you chills to hear about that level of evil.
jordan holmes
Oh, man.
Easements.
No!
Everything must be harder!
dan friesen
Shoreline erosion.
But really, why stop at bill numbers?
If 6666 is basically just 666, shouldn't we be scouring phone numbers for clues as hotbeds of devil worship?
jordan holmes
Absolutely.
dan friesen
If so, I suggest Alex do a big expose on the Hawaiian Electric Company, whose phone number is suspiciously 969-6666.
That's an extra six.
jordan holmes
That's so many sixes!
dan friesen
And the two nines are just basically upside-down sixes.
jordan holmes
That's all the sixes.
dan friesen
This thing goes deep, Jordan.
jordan holmes
Okay.
dan friesen
And I didn't realize how deep it went, but you know, you know...
There are even pockets of Satanists in the world of early 1900s Texas ranchers.
How else could you possibly explain that one of the most famous ranchers in King County, Texas is literally named the 6666 Ranch?
Case closed.
Satanism.
jordan holmes
Now, I sense a little bit of personal enmity towards Alex for this bullshit.
dan friesen
No, that's actually true.
jordan holmes
The 4666 Ranch.
I mean, yeah.
dan friesen
It's just stupid.
I fucking hate this stupidity.
I know.
So, House resolutions are numbered in the order they're introduced.
And if more than 6,665 resolutions pop up in a session, you're inevitably going to get a 6666.
It legit means nothing.
Bill 6666 in the 2007-2008 session of Congress is actually something that Alex would probably wholeheartedly support.
Quote, to amend the Clean Air Act to provide that greenhouse gases are not subject to the bill.
I bet that number would become substantially less suspicious if Alex were covering that bill.
jordan holmes
Yeah, that one actually does sound 60-60 to me.
dan friesen
Or what about this year?
You know, there was already a bill 666, right?
That happened already.
And it was to extend benefits to veterans.
jordan holmes
Yeah.
dan friesen
I don't know what Alex thinks he's proving with this stupid numerology bullshit, but if that's the level of game he wants to play...
I guess he's free to.
It just looks pretty fucking embarrassing from where I'm sitting.
jordan holmes
It is very embarrassing.
dan friesen
As for the actual bill, it begins, Let's pause there.
All the bill is doing is authorizing the Secretary of HHS to give grants.
Alex does realize that Trump gets to decide who the secretary of HHS is, right?
jordan holmes
Nuh-uh, the deep state decides.
dan friesen
This is a presidentially appointed position, and Trump's guy, Alex Azar, is currently in that role.
If this were some kind of a nefarious thing where this bill was meant to facilitate evil, it literally could only be done by the action of the person Trump hired and could fire.
jordan holmes
Unless they're blackmailing Alex Azar.
dan friesen
Whatever.
Already, after just the first line of this act, you can see how any conspiracy about this is mostly based on the bill number, not on content.
This is a very short bill, but Alex isn't a big reader.
If he's going to complain about some news article being four pages long, it's not like he's a guy who likes primary information.
If you read this, it's pretty clear that what this bill is about is allowing the Secretary of Health and Human Services to distribute grant money to eligible organizations that are involved in increasing our testing capacity to get to the point where it's conceivable To return safely to something resembling normal.
The part about doing in-home testing, that would be something that those entities would receive grants.
They could do this to facilitate people who are already quarantining.
You can imagine how much better a system it would be if you could get reliable testing at home as opposed to thinking you might be sick and then having to go out into public being unsure if doing so is a risk to others.
This whole conspiracy is a load of bullshit and at this point I'm weary.
I'm just weary.
It takes so little to create the appearance of something evil when you want it to be.
jordan holmes
Yeah, did they put forcibly in that bill?
It sounds like something that Congress does.
dan friesen
I didn't see that.
jordan holmes
Yeah, they usually put forcibly.
dan friesen
I think that might have been editorialized.
jordan holmes
Let's give them a grant to people who will break into your home and test you for a disease.
I think that's a great idea.
dan friesen
Right.
jordan holmes
I don't think they put forcibly in that bill.
dan friesen
I don't think so.
jordan holmes
I doubt it.
dan friesen
And, let's imagine that they did.
jordan holmes
Okay.
dan friesen
Azar could stop it.
jordan holmes
Yes, he could!
He could just say, I'm not going to give grants to people who do that.
Done!
dan friesen
Problem solved!
jordan holmes
Unless he gets confused by how many sixes there are.
dan friesen
And if he refused to do that, Trump could fire him and replace him with someone who wouldn't.
Problem solved.
Even if your nefarious, evil fucking version of this bill is true.
You have the ace of spades to play.
jordan holmes
Pretty sure everybody is actually in on it.
dan friesen
Stupid.
jordan holmes
Everyone's in on it, Dan.
dan friesen
So tired.
jordan holmes
Yep.
dan friesen
You know how hotels don't have 13 floors because of the superstitious bullshit?
Get rid of these bill numbers that are weird.
Get rid of bill 420.
Get rid of 666.
Get rid of 69. Just stop it.
Any number that's fun, get rid of it.
unidentified
Every bill is bill 69. Bill 69.1.2.3.
dan friesen
Yeah, we've got to do something, because these dum-dums just can't handle things.
jordan holmes
They just cannot deal with it.
dan friesen
So, in this next clip, Alex has found a new coronavirus conspiracy to ramble about, and this one is maybe dumber than some of his others.
alex jones
The joke is, you die of a shark attack, they'll test you.
And remember, the Tanzanian president is a famous biologist.
He's invented a lot of stuff.
He's a top biologist.
He had a feeling, because he knew the UN was paying off the Tanzanian National Clinic.
So he said, send a goat and a papaya last week to test.
They both tested COVID-19.
They test for genetic material.
That genetic material is in everything that's biological.
dan friesen
So the president of Tanzania is a man named John Magufuli, and there is no sincere person who would ever claim that he is a, quote, top biologist.
jordan holmes
I'm pretty sure he's a top biologist.
dan friesen
For one, he has a doctorate in chemistry, which is not biology.
jordan holmes
It's pretty much the same thing.
dan friesen
Nope.
I have no idea what Alex is claiming he's invented, and Alex isn't specific about it, so I'm just going to leave it alone.
jordan holmes
He invented biology.
dan friesen
Maybe.
So there's a viral meme that's been going around about Magufuli claiming that he sent a sample of a goat, a quail, and a papaya to be tested for COVID-19, and they came back positive.
There's been absolutely no evidence provided to back up this claim, and people have been pretty quick to point out that Magu Fuli is currently facing a great deal of pressure over his handling of the virus, and this sounds like a whole lot like something someone would say if they were trying to minimize a problem they handled poorly.
jordan holmes
Yeah, that does sound familiar.
dan friesen
So until we get some sort of an evidence of this, or maybe someone replicating this in a controlled environment, I think it's probably a Tanzanian president talking shit.
unidentified
Yeah.
dan friesen
Also, Alex should definitely not like John Magufuli.
jordan holmes
No, he's great.
dan friesen
A July 2018 article in the Mail and Guardian discusses Magufuli's government's practice of intimidating journalists, with reports of them, quote, being threatened, assaulted, and kidnapped.
jordan holmes
Hit with papayas all over the place.
dan friesen
In 2017, Magufuli began shutting down media operations that were not to his liking, including five prominent TV stations and the Swahili-language newspaper Mawiyo.
He introduced a $920 license that the government required bloggers to obtain to be able to post things online, licenses that the government can revoke if the writers post content that they disapprovaled.
jordan holmes
It's just to protect against fake news, Dan.
dan friesen
And then there were the threats to have anti-government protesters, quote, beaten like stray dogs.
You can't have people starting riots out there, Dan.
jordan holmes
This is for their safety.
dan friesen
Everything Alex pretends is happening in the U.S. because he's not allowed on Twitter actually is happening to journalists and activists in Tanzania.
He doesn't know any of that shit, and he doesn't care.
This guy came out and said something useful for Alex's narratives about the coronavirus.
So he's not only a great president, he's also apparently a famous inventor and top biologist.
jordan holmes
It takes zero work to go from...
Nothing to top biologist.
It takes nowhere.
dan friesen
You don't even have to be a biologist.
unidentified
Nope.
jordan holmes
Say something fun for Alex to use, and guess what?
You just got a promotion to top biologist.
If Alex gave Nobel Prizes, there would be a lot of Nobel Prizes, and no one would get one for what they do.
dan friesen
If you have anything that's helpful to him and you publish it, you're now working for a prestigious university.
jordan holmes
Yeah, yeah, yeah, totally.
dan friesen
Even if you don't work for a university.
jordan holmes
Blog post.
unidentified
One of the most prestigious blog posts ever.
jordan holmes
Winner of the Nobel Prize in Literature.
dan friesen
Sure.
So there's been some trouble going on in the world of real, the real world as they call it.
jordan holmes
Ooh, not a fan.
dan friesen
With some cases of the virus at meatpacking plants.
There have been certainly a robust conversation going on about this.
Alex has a bad take on it.
alex jones
Guys, pull up the article when we come back.
300 plus...
Tyson employees test positive.
2,000 employees at a meatpacking plant.
300 plus test positive.
Not one got a fever.
Not one had a cough.
That's called asymptomatic.
jordan holmes
You're so smart.
alex jones
Of course they tested positive.
jordan holmes
So smart.
alex jones
You had a cold in the last decade.
You test positive.
unidentified
There it is.
alex jones
It was 300.
So the 298 workers at Tennessee Tyson plant test positive COVID-19.
dan friesen
So, the story about the 300 people at a Tyson plant testing positive doesn't actually make the argument Alex is claiming it does.
For one, if the tests just say you're positive, if you've had a cold in the last decade or whatever, why did only 300 out of 2,000 test positive?
Introducing the idea that some tests are always being positive and some not is going to be an additional layer of conspiracy here that I don't think Alex is ready or able to prove at all.
I'm not positive exactly what plant he's talking about, unfortunately, because there are a number of them.
There are a number of situations similar to this or along these lines.
jordan holmes
Yeah, because everything's great.
dan friesen
So he's talking about a Tyson plant, that's for sure.
And I should tell you that Business Insider reported on Monday that, quote, at least 4,585 Tyson workers in 15 states have been diagnosed with COVID-19, and 18 have died.
That's the reality that Alex is spinning into propaganda as a narrative.
It's pretty important not to lose sight of that.
These arguments are ghoulish, and even if the numbers are accurate, they don't make the case he thinks they do.
jordan holmes
No.
dan friesen
It does not make sense.
jordan holmes
No, this is insane.
These people are insane.
dan friesen
So, Hugh said that he's talking about a Tyson plant here, but later in the episode, we find out that he thinks it's the same thing as a pork plant in Missouri, which isn't run by Tyson.
This is a story that was about a plant that was run by Triumph Foods.
And Alex conveniently ignores an update about that story when he covers it.
And that is that one of the employees who was tested positive, who was a man in his 40s, is now dead.
Alex is hanging on the asymptomatic thing here to argue that none of these people are actually sick and it's all a charade.
And I feel like if this guy, who's unidentified in the stories that I found about it, but he wants to sue Alex, maybe this might be a fun way to do it.
jordan holmes
Have fun.
dan friesen
Yep, it's possible.
jordan holmes
Join the class action lawsuit that will eventually, I assume, include the entirety of the United States of America.
dan friesen
It seems like there's a possibility of that.
jordan holmes
Yeah, don't we all have grounds to sue Alex?
330 million co-signing amicus briefs.
dan friesen
Some of them might be flimsy lawsuits.
I will say that class action is a little bit light, but why not?
jordan holmes
Yeah.
dan friesen
Might get a slap.
Alex gets slap suits against everybody in America.
jordan holmes
I think that'd be great.
dan friesen
So in this next clip, Alex discusses how, like, you know, with the virus, all this stuff, that is all we need to focus on.
jordan holmes
Sure.
dan friesen
But unfortunately, that means that other stories get left by the wayside.
jordan holmes
Yes.
dan friesen
And so he tries to, like, do a little touch on one of these stories here, and I think he does it about as badly as you can.
unidentified
Okay.
alex jones
Really, you have to understand that this COVID-19 thing is the launch of the New World Order takeover.
So everything else is just a side issue.
I mean, in Georgia.
The original police report said that somebody had been robbing houses, taking fishing equipment, stealing four-wheelers, and that this dude went into the house, and they saw him, and then they got in a fistfight with him, and they shot the guy.
I think that's too much lethal force, and I wouldn't have done it, but that's what happens when people look like they're robbing houses, and the media is trying to make a race war out of this.
Do I think these guys need to go to prison for what they did?
Probably not.
Because the guy took swings at them.
dan friesen
So Alex is absolutely fudging some of the details here in the case of the shooting of Ahmaud Arbery.
jordan holmes
It does seem like a lot of white nationalists are fudging details around this one.
dan friesen
So the way Alex is presenting this, if you didn't know what he was talking about, it kind of sounds like he's describing a police shooting of somebody who they thought was suspected of breaking into houses.
That's not the case.
In reality, Arbery was shot by Travis McMichael, whose dad used to be a cop but is not anymore.
McMichael and his dad chased down Arbery, who they decided was a suspect for break-ins that had happened in the neighborhood.
This was not excessive lethal force being used by police.
It was a murder that is being justified by appeals to racism.
In the police report, the elder McMichael claimed that he saw Arbery out jogging and decided that he must be a burglar.
This makes sense, considering that he wasn't carrying anything, he was in jogging clothes, and it was broad daylight.
From the report, quote, This story is contradicted by video that has been released of the altercation, which clearly shows Arbery trying to jog around the McMichaels' truck, at which point a shot is fired.
Immediately after that, you see Travis McMichael outside the truck in a bit of a lockup with Arbery, after which there are two more shots.
The varying timeline of events and number of shots between McMichael's version of the story and the video is something that I find particularly troubling.
And the fact that McMichael is a former cop leads me to believe that he should have a lot of training in the field of reporting events.
It's one thing for a random person in the heat of the moment to get some major details wrong.
That does happen.
It's something else entirely for a former cop to get basic details of an event wrong.
jordan holmes
It is shocking that a cop would get basic details of an event wrong when they used deadly force.
That's so surprising!
dan friesen
So, Arbery was killed on February 23rd, and there was no arrest until May 7th.
Then, on May 9th, a video was released that appeared to show Arbery walking up to a house under construction, looking around, then leaving.
This video has been used by all the, let's call them racists, to argue that Arbery had it coming, and that the McMichaels were well within their rights to kill him.
Personally, I've done way worse things at construction sites and no one ever killed me over it.
I'll say that full disclosure.
Growing up in the Midwest, I think there might be a fairly common experience of fucking around on construction sites.
jordan holmes
I was really hoping he wouldn't talk about this one.
dan friesen
He doesn't talk about it much, to be fair.
jordan holmes
Yeah, that's good.
Because this one is very much a simple litmus test for whether or not you're a giant flaming racist.
dan friesen
I think...
Yeah.
So the argument seems to be that because Arbery looked around a house under construction, the McMichaels had probable cause to do a citizen's arrest, but that doesn't really make sense.
They didn't actually see him commit any crimes, so that would be a pretty flimsy defense here, I think.
What could easily make sense, you know, as a curious person looking around while maybe in a cool-down on their jog becomes proof of criminality in this case, and it's hard not to think that a racial component has something to do with that.
Even if the McMichaels weren't acting from a place of racism, the people bending over backwards to defend them, people like Millie Weaver, certainly are.
jordan holmes
Ooh, so much.
dan friesen
This is a horrible tragedy, and there is a new investigation going on into the matter, and we'll see what happens with that.
For now, I want you to take note of how Alex discusses this case and compare it to how he spent month after month yelling about how Katie Steinle was murdered because she was white, and the immigrant couldn't stand that he couldn't be with her.
Think about how Alex promoted rallies against immigration in the name of Steinle and set Owen Schroer out to cover them.
It's important to recognize these differences, because they are the places you see Alex's racism on full display.
He's too savvy to say the N-word or talk about hating non-white people openly, but you can see clearly how differently he engages with situations depending on the races involved.
If there's a case of a non-white person accidentally discharging a gun and the bullet ricochets and hits a white woman, it's a case of a brutal murder that was done because the victim was white.
If there's a case of two white men chasing down a black man they've decided is a criminal, then shooting him, it's a situation where Alex wouldn't have done it himself, but they didn't do anything wrong because the guy took a swing.
This is how his racism is on full display.
He's too smart to make it too obvious.
unidentified
Well, I condemn the way they did it, but was it illegal?
dan friesen
Yes.
jordan holmes
That's for the courts to disarm.
unidentified
Right.
dan friesen
So when Alex is like, you can never provide proof that I'm a racist.
jordan holmes
Yeah.
dan friesen
I suggest this is all the proof anyone should ever need.
jordan holmes
Ever.
Ever.
This is such a simple fucking thing.
And the fact that it's all out in the open is disqualifying.
dan friesen
It's a mess.
jordan holmes
Every single person who says anything other than...
He was murdered by two fucking modern lynchers is a racist.
alex jones
The end.
dan friesen
So, Alex, you know, I don't know if you remember this, but since the coronavirus situation has popped up, a number of times Alex has seen videos and he has decided that shit's real.
jordan holmes
Because they are.
dan friesen
You just know it.
jordan holmes
100%.
dan friesen
Your spirit knows it.
jordan holmes
It's in your gut, Dan.
unidentified
Yeah.
dan friesen
So Alex has been tricked by another hoax.
alex jones
And in trials.
Already of COVID-19 in New Guinea, where you get the term guinea pig, no joke, they've already had death on the local news.
They come in, they inject the children and the women, and they just start convulsing and dying everywhere.
dan friesen
So that's not true.
Alex has seen some videos that are making the rounds online that purported to show, quote, the aftermath of a deadly COVID-19 vaccination trial in New Guinea.
This was a video, simply put, it was a fraud.
Someone took already existing video of people in New Guinea protesting after some children had allegedly gotten sick from a vaccine, and they claimed this footage was related to research and testing of a new COVID-19 vaccine.
jordan holmes
And what year was that footage from?
dan friesen
Well, the actual video is from March 2019, on a news station called Gangam.
The actual news report was about a community displeasure after a few children experienced mild side effects like dizziness and fever after being in a, quote, drug treatment program to reduce the prevalence and intensity of the parasitic infection, schistomyosis, also known as snail fever.
Gangan's editor-in-chief Sekou Jamal Pandasa told Reuters, quote, The editorial staff of the Gangan RTV group notes with deep regret that some internet users have been allowing themselves since Monday, April 6, 2020, to use one of our old reports to make people believe that there, in recent days, cases of discomfort due to a vaccination campaign in schools in Dubreka.
We would like to point out that the report was produced on March 18, 2019.
We invite you to refrain from such games during this sensitive period marked by a global health crisis.
This makes me think, like I said, of all the times Alex has said he just knows when he sees a video if it's real or not.
He just knows!
The spirit knows!
Here's the reality.
The spirit doesn't know shit.
He's a lazy propagandist and he falls for hoaxes like this regularly, which he then reports to his audience as fact, because he wants to.
They conform to his narratives and thus they feel true to him.
The problem is, none of it's real.
jordan holmes
It's really frustrating that it is an airtight defense to say they're doing what we're doing while you're doing it.
Like, it really...
Because all the time he's like, oh, they're sending out all these hoax videos and all of this shit is all fake and the media is all liars and all that shit.
And all he ever does is...
dan friesen
Well, but to be fair...
jordan holmes
But then he's like, well, we're only doing it because they're doing it.
dan friesen
But to be fair, I would be perfectly comfortable assuming that Alex has no idea this is fake.
jordan holmes
Oh, yeah.
No, I agree.
dan friesen
I would be...
Like, I don't know if this is Kraft or just him being an idiot.
Because, I mean, the end result would ultimately be the same.
He would report it like this.
jordan holmes
For sure.
dan friesen
Whether he's deceitful.
I mean, obviously he's deceitful.
unidentified
Right, right, right, right.
dan friesen
But this could easily just be something he saw on a headline on some dumb site that he goes around and is like, oh my god, I can't believe New Guinea.
jordan holmes
Yeah, what is frustrating is also that it doesn't matter if it's true or not.
dan friesen
Well, that's true.
jordan holmes
Not to him.
dan friesen
Also, New Guinea has nothing to do with guinea pigs.
New Guinea is an island north of Australia, in Micronesia.
Guinea pigs are likely named for their association with Guinea, an old name for the area in Africa around the Gulf of Guinea.
And in the 1500s, Guinea was a pretty general term that would be used to describe exotic, far-off places across the sea.
There's no real consensus among scholars about exactly how the guinea pig got its name, but one thing that absolutely no one thinks is that it has anything to do with New Guinea.
This is just another thing that Alex is making up to sound smart for his audience, but it's based on nothing.
In that clip, you heard him report on a hoax video as real, then make up a piece of trivia about guinea pigs, which is standard operation for him.
Nothing means anything.
unidentified
Yeah, that one really got me.
jordan holmes
That one really got me when you just open with, in New Guinea, where guinea pigs are from.
So confidently.
So confidently.
dan friesen
Because he wants the association to be like you do tests on guinea pigs.
jordan holmes
Exactly.
Of course.
No, no, no.
The math is simple.
dan friesen
Right.
jordan holmes
That's a real frustrating...
Everything about this is very angry.
dan friesen
Yeah.
So Alex, he knows, right?
jordan holmes
Yes.
dan friesen
He knows that there are a bunch of studies that prove that vaccines lower your immunity, right?
jordan holmes
There aren't.
dan friesen
Well, he knows that there are.
jordan holmes
Okay, but there aren't.
dan friesen
And now he's really confused because he sat down to try and find those studies.
jordan holmes
Right.
dan friesen
And now he can't.
So therefore, they must be being taken offline.
jordan holmes
That's the wrong conclusion.
alex jones
And they play all these games.
What's crazy is, used to, you could type in, studies show vaccines lower immunity the next year.
All those are gone.
I spent an hour today.
While my children played with my wife in the pool, I wanted to be out there, but I had to find the articles, and I went and found three big studies from just a few years ago about it lowering immunity.
But folks, I had to go 50 pages deep.
I had to find old articles and link through.
It's all nothing, but there is no side effects.
Vaccines are perfect.
No one ever got hurt.
They're totally good.
It's all lies.
And all these fake doctors and their little lab coats.
When I say fake, they're fake people.
In their little outfits telling you, oh, vaccines are perfect, there's no side effects, everything's wonderful, oh my god, it's the worst pandemic on earth, all this emotional crap.
dan friesen
What are you complaining about these doctors being fake people?
jordan holmes
Fake doctors?
Where guinea pigs are from?
dan friesen
I think that has to be a clarification.
He's like, I'm not saying they're actors, not saying they're actors, not saying they're actors.
jordan holmes
They're not even real!
God damn it, what am I doing?
dan friesen
They're just not on the level, man.
jordan holmes
What does that even mean?
I don't know.
dan friesen
That's how you describe a friend.
He's a real guy, man.
He's a real, real friend.
Not doctors.
jordan holmes
Oh, man, I'm so sick of all these fake doctors out here.
They act like they're your friend, you hang out with them, and then you find out the next week they've been talking shit about you with their other real friends.
dan friesen
Fake-ass doctors.
jordan holmes
Goddamn fake doctors.
dan friesen
So this is pretty difficult for me, because Alex claims that he found all these studies that he used to be able to find really easily, but now it takes them forever, but he also didn't post any of them on his website or provide literally any indication of how you're supposed to go and find them yourself.
Because of that, I really don't know what claims Alex is making or what to go on.
In searching Infowars' website, there's a number of articles about immunity issues and vaccines, many of which are just things that Robert Kennedy Jr. wrote and Alex is reposting.
In these cases, the claim of weakened immune systems has to do with vaccinating children and the assertion that this, quote, So badly weakened their immune system that they were dying in droves from unrelated infections.
jordan holmes
That doesn't sound true.
dan friesen
This is based on a 2017 study published on eBiomedicine, which, taken at face value, claims that children studied had a five times higher mortality if they had received the diphtheria tetanus pertussis vaccine compared to unvaccinated children.
These were children vaccinated between 1984 and 1987, so this isn't even a study about the currently used DTP vaccine, but leaving that aside, there are some problems with this study that folks have pointed out which make its conclusion not entirely reliable.
The first is that the study involves a very small sample group.
There were only 1,057 children total in the study, which is not enough to generalize conclusions about vaccine effectiveness or side effects on.
The biggest problem, however, is that there's nothing in the study that actually shows that any of the children's deaths had anything to do with the vaccine.
These are all cause death numbers, which means that the deaths could have been from drowning or some other accident, and they'd still be factored into the rates.
And this makes the conclusions very difficult to apply generally.
Other studies have not come to the same conclusion, and the argument that vaccines lower your immunity to things other than what the vaccine is targeting, they've been pretty roundly rejected by science.
A 2018 report in JAMA, quote, found no statistically significant differences in the level of immunity against non-vaccine targeted infections between their control and experimental groups.
jordan holmes
Yeah, of course.
dan friesen
That might be what Alex is talking about, but I'm only guessing based on what's on his website.
unidentified
Yeah, yeah.
dan friesen
There's another argument about vaccines lowering immunity that unsurprisingly comes from Andrew Wakefield.
This one is basically that when you use vaccines, you put part of your immune response into hyperaction while the other part is not used and thus is weakened.
The basic gist here is that he's saying that you get better immunity by dealing with things naturally, so you should get measles if you want to be immune to it, and if you take a shortcut of vaccines, it'll hurt your cell-mediated response-related immunity.
This is nonsense and no one in the medical field takes it seriously.
jordan holmes
Yeah, that sounds like magic.
dan friesen
Sincerely, I'm not sure what precise claim Alex is trying to make, but in trying to sort it out, it's not too hard to find two separate similar ideas, which are both bullshit, being pushed by luminaries of the anti-vax propaganda world, which are very easily debunked ideas.
Vaccines do not lower your immunity, and no one is taking studies off the internet.
Alex can't find these studies because they probably weren't there to begin with.
I imagine he just read some headlines ten years ago and then kept yelling about it and eventually embellished it into being a prestigious study from the most reputable journal known to man, and now when he goes and tries to find it, shockingly nothing comes up.
That seems to be what's going on.
jordan holmes
Yeah, that does have the feel of somebody being like, I have...
Okay, okay, fine.
You know what?
I'm actually gonna prove it this time.
I've been screaming about vaccines lowering your immunity for forever, so fuck you.
I'm gonna look it up and I'll find it, and I can't...
I can't find it.
dan friesen
Because they got rid of it.
jordan holmes
It must be because everybody's stealing it.
dan friesen
Because the man, the globalists took it down.
jordan holmes
It's got to be because they're hiding it now.
dan friesen
Cover up.
jordan holmes
You know how the internet famously allows people to hide things.
dan friesen
Yeah, they love it.
But look, man, they're not letting you get this vaccine info.
jordan holmes
Absolutely not.
dan friesen
They're trying to get rid of this vaccine.
They want the consumers to not have the information they need.
jordan holmes
They're brainwashing.
dan friesen
Alex has an amazing comparison to make.
jordan holmes
Wonderful.
dan friesen
Mic down for this.
alex jones
And now they're just not letting consumers have info.
It is beyond T.S. Lewis' The Jungle, the level of abuse of the citizens, the level of the abuse of consumers.
dan friesen
I wanted to be sure everyone could hear that.
There's no author named T.S. Lewis.
It's probably a fun combination of T.S. Eliot and C.S. Lewis, whereas the name Alex is trying to come up with is...
Kind of makes sense that Alex doesn't remember that dude's name, though, seeing as Upton Sinclair is a gigantic socialist.
jordan holmes
He's not a huge fan.
dan friesen
It's always fun to pretend to be into someone's book, but also believe that everything that motivated their life's work is devilry.
And thus, The Jungle was written by T.S. Lewis.
jordan holmes
Hey, everybody knows that even a blind squirrel finds the occasional nut, Dan, you know?
dan friesen
Weird.
So, Alex...
This next clip is one of the reasons that, like, I mean, I hadn't heard this episode when we put out our episode on Monday where Project Camelot talked to a super soldier.
jordan holmes
Yeah.
dan friesen
But if you listen to this, you kind of understand why I feel like that sort of stuff does fit into the body of our work.
alex jones
One of the Bourne Supremacy movies, the Origin one, I forget the name of it, is very accurate and got into some really secretive research that's been going on since the 70s.
But it's now public, that they can have viruses.
They're tailored to only eat certain receptors in the brain.
And they do tests on these to eat the receptors that say you have a governor where you can really bench press 1,000 pounds but you can only bench press 400 pounds.
Or you can really squat 2,000 pounds but you're a weight lifter and you think you can't so you can only squat 700.
And so it turns, so now you're superhuman.
dan friesen
Okay.
So Alex basically believes that there's research that he can make super soldiers.
jordan holmes
Yeah, absolutely.
dan friesen
I'm not sure what secret research Alex imagines he's going on as revealed in these movies, but I want to talk a little bit about the real-world research on the subject he's talking about that kind of shows what he's talking about to be childish nonsense.
There's a phenomenon known as hysterical strength, where archetypally, you know, it's presented as someone raising up a car to get someone, you know, save someone who's trapped underneath.
It's the idea that in moments of severe need, we find ourselves capable of doing things we didn't realize we were capable of.
Naturally, this is something that's almost impossible to study in a controlled setting.
How could you reliably create the conditions that would be needed to produce this response in a person while controlling for other variables?
Basically, you can't.
But researchers who work with muscles kind of understand the basic idea without needing to trap a test subject's loved one under a car.
jordan holmes
No, no.
It's like punked.
Because you can't let them in that it's an experiment, otherwise they'll know that their kid isn't actually in danger.
dan friesen
I don't know if science is going to let Ashton Kutcher...
jordan holmes
Oh, yeah.
You get Ashton...
Christian Kutcher to run kids over with cars and then we go from there.
I think that's, one, a brilliant TV idea.
dan friesen
Sure.
jordan holmes
And two, a great way to run experiments.
dan friesen
So scientists who work with muscles understand this stuff.
Like, for instance, you use exactly as much muscle as you need to open your fridge.
But if you're doing something that requires more, your body adjusts to it.
Like, if you're carrying up a bunch of groceries up a flight of stairs, your muscles allocate more to suit those needs.
From an article in the BBC, quote, Why do we keep so much in reserve?
Safety, essentially.
If we were to exert our muscles to or beyond their absolute maximum, we could tear muscle tissue, ligaments, tendons, and break bones, leaving us in dire straits.
That governor in your brain is there because if you were allowed to expend all the available energy your body has to use, you'd probably have died long ago.
or at very least you'd be completely debilitated due to all the bodily damage you would have suffered.
The people who are lifting cars are only lifting a small part of the car, while two or three wheels remain on the ground distributing the weight.
Plus, their bodies are full of adrenaline, and the state of shock will generally disappear.
dull any pain that they might be feeling from the heavier lift.
And even so, they probably feel pretty fucking sore afterwards.
These parts of your brain can be overridden, you know, like that governor.
Like in cases when you're trying to escape certain death, your brain realizes that in order to stay alive, higher risks need to be taken.
On the other side of that coin, this part of your brain also appears to be overridden when you're on meth or PCP, which may play a role in explaining the seemingly heightened strength of people on those drugs.
In each of these cases, however, you're going to be pretty fucked up on the other side of doing whatever it is free of this governor in your brain.
That part of your brain's there for a reason.
jordan holmes
Yeah, it usually helps out whenever you survive long after, instead of just in the immediate.
dan friesen
If you do a bunch of meth and you do these crazy feats of strength, when you come down, you're going to be in so much pain.
jordan holmes
There are no consequences for actions, Dan.
How dare you?
dan friesen
If there's some kind of a magical thing that allows super soldiers like Jason Bourne to use more of his strength than normal people's brains allow them to, he could maybe operate on the level of an elite athlete.
If a person, like a human person, were to do what Alex is imagining, their bodies would not be able to handle it.
There are just physiological realities that he's pretending do not exist.
The way I would put it is this.
If your life is at risk, you could jump down a big drop, break your ankle, and then run a mile to safety.
But when you get to safety, your ankle is still going to be broken, and it's going to hurt like hell because you just ran a mile on it.
But then again, what the fuck do I know?
I haven't watched this Bourne movie, or as Alex puts it, read up on secret research.
Maybe I'm just a fucking dum-dum.
jordan holmes
I don't even remember.
I don't think the Bourne movies featured super soldier strength or anything like that.
He was just really, really well trained.
And they gave him some psychotropic drugs, but he was really, really good at being a spy or whatever.
That was it.
dan friesen
And new languages or something.
jordan holmes
Yeah, it was more just like, look at what happens when you're really competent.
unidentified
Like, that's cool.
dan friesen
I can't speak to it because I haven't seen those movies, but I'm sure, whatever.
Alex got something out of it, so that's great.
You can't have your brain drop that governor without consequences, first of all.
Second of all, there is a ceiling to it.
I don't know.
This is all just fantastical thinking, and it's ludicrous.
So, Alex, one of his big ideas is this predictive programming stuff, right?
The globalists will put stuff on TV that they're going to do later.
jordan holmes
Exactly, like Bonanza.
dan friesen
Sometimes it has to do with...
They need to get your permission, right?
jordan holmes
Of course.
dan friesen
Spiritually.
jordan holmes
There is that.
dan friesen
They have to tell you what they're going to do or else there's a karmic debt they have to pay in the afterlife or something.
jordan holmes
Just like with Carrie who believes that you can only get sick if you allow the virus in.
dan friesen
Sometimes there's a metaphysical aspect to it.
And then sometimes it's presented as trying to desensitize you to what they're going to do to make it easier.
jordan holmes
Right.
dan friesen
This next clip begins with Alex talking about the predictive programming on that level.
The desensitizing level.
Then Alex loses his mind and starts screaming about his grandpa.
jordan holmes
That I believe.
alex jones
Psychologists and psychiatrists know at the high levels, not your pop psychologists and psychiatrists, that if you pre-program somebody and they've seen something in the comfort of their home, that a decade later when they actually see it happen, they'll be comfortable with it because they were eating chips and pizza and having sex with their girlfriend while they learned about something horrible, so their brain files in an area that's non-threatening.
That's why my dad's dad saw a lot of combat in World War II.
And they'd be in a movie when he was a little kid that had violence.
He'd say, we're leaving.
It wasn't because he couldn't handle violence.
He'd seen a bunch of violence and starving people and arms and legs blown off.
He didn't think it was funny.
But when you've never seen real violence and you see a bunch of simulated murder, your brain starts thinking it's funny because your brain didn't pay any consequence for it.
So now when you're hit with the real thing, you don't know what hit you.
dan friesen
So first of all, I'm going to need to see Alex's citation on this stuff from the high-end psychologists who are not pop psychologists.
I'll review his information when he tells me what he's actually talking about and where it's coming from in any meaningful way.
Beyond that, that clip is fascinating, because I really think it highlights how poorly Alex's brain tracks ideas.
It begins with him claiming that there are these high-end non-pop psychologists who, you know, they know that if you see something on TV and then you encounter it later, your brain will associate it with the memory of being at home with pizza, so you'll see it as good.
I can definitely tell you that it is not true, from my personal experience in the last few weeks.
I've seen people get hit by cars a fuckton in movies and TV shows, sometimes dramas, and sometimes played for humor.
It doesn't affect me that much in a movie.
When I was walking to the store the other day, a driver turning right didn't see me when I had the walk signal, and I was legit seconds away from getting run over.
I heard the car accelerating, and the split second as my brain was putting it all together, you know, is definitely not what I would call associated with being at home eating pizza.
My reaction was quite different.
Though I'd seen people get hit by cars many times in fiction, this was very different because it was in real life, and my adrenaline rushed, as I was considering jumping on the hood or trying to dive backwards.
Thankfully, the driver saw me at the last second, hit the brakes, and nothing happened, but as I was walking the next block, my body was full of that rush you get after encountering danger.
Being exposed to those things on TV and movies did not have a desensitizing effect on me, primarily because I know the difference between real life and movies.
From this idea, Alex pivots to talking about his grandfather, who didn't want his children to watch violent things in movies and TV because he'd been in World War II.
An argument can be made that this is the exact opposite of the point Alex was trying to make.
He's saying that seeing X on TV desensitizes you to X in real life, whereas in this example, Alex's grandfather saw X in real life and it made him hypersensitive to seeing it or his kids seeing it on TV.
Whether or not this hypersensitivity was driven by a fear that the children would become desensitized to violence, that's another matter.
But even if it is the case, this is still a pretty shitty example for Alex to come up with, because it's thematically disconnected from the point he's trying to make.
From there, Alex makes the jump to arguing that if you see simulated violence on TV, you think it's funny, so you think that murder's funny in real life.
He then weirdly claims that this is because you didn't see any consequences for the fictional violence you saw on TV, which is weird.
That's bizarre.
I don't know who he's hanging out with to get the idea that a large number of people think real murder is funny, but that's a foreign concept to me.
Someone who almost exclusively hangs out with and communicates with people who have seen simulated violence on TV.
unidentified
Yeah.
dan friesen
And don't think it's real.
jordan holmes
Did you at least say, I'm walking here?
dan friesen
I didn't.
jordan holmes
You didn't?
unidentified
No.
jordan holmes
That's a huge wasted opportunity there.
dan friesen
Most people intuitively understand the difference between reality and fictional portrayals of things, and instinctively they react differently to them.
The same person who could tolerate seeing the depiction of a murder in a horror movie, or even enjoy it in the context of the movie, would react completely differently.
Yeah, do you remember Meet Joe Black?
jordan holmes
Whenever Brad Pitt's character gets hit by, like, 12 different cars all at the same time?
And it's played for laughs like they're...
It's the weirdest scene in a movie that I think I've ever seen.
Like, meet Brad Pitt and what's-her-face, like, longingly look back at each other, each expecting the other one to look back, and it goes back and forth, like, four different times.
And then Brad Pitt just walks into oncoming traffic and gets hit once, bounces up in the air, gets hit again by another car, bounces up in the air, continues getting hit, like, three or four times.
And then the scene is basically over and they just move on.
dan friesen
I've not seen that movie in a long time.
unidentified
You've seen the GIF?
dan friesen
I'm sure I have.
And it did not affect the way I responded to almost getting hit by a car.
Because reality and movies are different.
jordan holmes
Wouldn't it be fun if you bounced up and down and then the spiritual embodiment of death took over your body for a while and wooed your paramour?
dan friesen
That's ridiculous.
unidentified
Oh, okay.
dan friesen
So, there are some studies that suggest that there is a desensitization effect that violent media can have on children and adolescents, but the extent of its effect is almost impossible to pin down precisely.
Consider for a second how you would even go about trying to set up that study ethically, like to really track that.
jordan holmes
Ashton Kutcher?
unidentified
No.
jordan holmes
Oh, okay, sorry.
dan friesen
There are some correlations that people have found, but they're a far cry from the effect that Alex seems to think that movies and TV have on a random person.
He's acting like if you see a bomb go off in a movie and you encounter a bomb in your daily life, you're like, oh, it's like that movie.
jordan holmes
Cool.
unidentified
It was a bomb.
jordan holmes
Yeah.
unidentified
I've seen bombs before.
jordan holmes
They make people laugh.
dan friesen
I've seen this before and I survived because it was a movie.
jordan holmes
No, this is just video games desensitize children.
dan friesen
It's such bullshit.
But it's not just that.
jordan holmes
Right, right, right, right.
dan friesen
Alex's brain operates differently than most people, and he just doesn't seem to recognize the distinction between fiction and reality.
He seems to be...
It seems to be something he is unwilling or unable to differentiate between.
jordan holmes
Yeah, there's no blend.
dan friesen
I really do think that he doesn't realize that this is something that most people can differentiate, since his confusion around why other people can't see what he sees does seem genuine.
That frustration he manifests does seem like someone who's like, it's so clear to me, why don't you get it?
And that is wild to me.
jordan holmes
Don't you get it?
The hammers can fly now, Dan!
You just call them to you and the hammer will come directly to you whenever you need it!
dan friesen
I'm honestly starting to work on a little bit of a pet theory that this is one of the more strongly correlating things throughout these conspiracy worlds.
The inability or unwillingness differentiated between reality and fiction runs so strongly on Infowars, many of the associated people.
And Project Camelot and the quote-unquote experts they have, it seems to be one of the defining characteristics.
So Alex has that rant, and it leads to how we end the 10th, and of course, it's familiar territory.
alex jones
Your brain starts thinking it's funny because your brain didn't pay any consequence for it.
So now when you're hit with the real thing, you don't know what hit you.
You're all dead unless you wake up to the scientific dictatorship that created Hitler.
dan friesen
You laughed over him saying, I need money, too.
Just go straight into an ad.
Straight into an ad.
So, we wrap up the 10th Sunday show in the books.
jordan holmes
Yeah.
dan friesen
All over the goddamn place.
unidentified
Yeah.
dan friesen
Which I kind of appreciate on some levels.
I mean, some of the stuff, like, I'd rather him not talk about, like Ahmaud Arbery.
unidentified
Right, right, right.
dan friesen
Rather you just leave that alone, Alex.
jordan holmes
Yeah, you're not allowed.
dan friesen
Yeah.
But then, like, you know, Viking funerals, pretty fun.
Alex's weird fiction reality.
jordan holmes
Yeah, that's great.
dan friesen
New Guinea.
Like, some of this stuff.
jordan holmes
Watch out for Hitler.
dan friesen
Sure.
jordan holmes
Yeah, yeah, yeah.
dan friesen
Some of this stuff's kind of fun to learn a little bit about.
And we jump in on the 11th, and boy, this day, oof.
Tell you what, Alex has a goal in mind.
jordan holmes
Oh, no.
alex jones
If you're a radio listener, well, you're not having to look at me right now, but I am wearing the Bill Gates uniform that now Mark Zuckerberg wears.
It is a pink cashmere sweater with a white collared shirt to look like Mr. Rogers or to look non-threatening.
I've said it many times that if Hitler wore a pink uniform, he would have won the war because he would have looked non-threatening.
dan friesen
This is really funny on a number of levels.
The first is that Alex decided this Bill Gates wears pink bit was so good that he decided to wear a pink sweater on air himself so he could riff about it.
jordan holmes
That'll teach him.
dan friesen
You kind of can't help but think he's hoping people online make fun of him so he can be all over Twitter again.
alex jones
Oh yeah!
dan friesen
The second part that's hilarious here is that Alex is saying that if Hitler wore pink, he'd be non-threatening.
Alex claims to be a military historian, but somehow he doesn't realize that the U.S. Army officer's winter service uniform, starting in the 1920s through 1958, was known as the, quote, pink and greens.
The U.S. Army officer uniform during that very time that they were fighting against Hitler literally had pink in the name of it.
jordan holmes
And that's why we won the war!
dan friesen
Sergeant Dan Daly told Military.com that the uniform was called that because, quote, one of the sets of pants had a pink hue to them.
jordan holmes
Oh, that's nice.
dan friesen
Anyway, the point here is that Alex is a complete buffoon, and he doesn't know anything about the topics he's talking about.
He's just...
I love it.
I love the idea that his operation's so fucking incompetent that he's like, you know what?
I'm gonna wear fucking pink, and it's gonna be amazing.
Everybody's gonna love it.
jordan holmes
Everybody's gonna love this shit.
unidentified
It's gonna be...
jordan holmes
It's gonna be wildfire.
dan friesen
I'm gonna blow minds.
jordan holmes
Look at me!
Alex Jones wearing pink?
Everyone will lose their minds over this!
dan friesen
And so I thought maybe it's just like, alright, he's gonna touch on this, then he's gonna get out of business.
alex jones
And as I've always said, if Hitler wore a pink uniform, he would have won World War II because people would have bowed down and said, somebody wearing pink is nothing but good.
That's why Bill and Melinda Gates always wear pink in public.
It's why.
Mark Zuckerberg's gotten rid of his characteristic gray or black t-shirt, and he now wears pink sweaters under his mentor, Bill Gates.
dan friesen
I was curious about the claim that Bill Gates always wears pink, so I decided to consult Google Image Search.
I took the first 100 images of Gates that came up, and here's how his wardrobe breaks down.
jordan holmes
Here we go.
dan friesen
In 56 of the images, Gates is in a suit.
There's a number of recent pictures of him in his sweater that I wouldn't call pink.
It's more of a lavender shade of purple, but I could see Alex thinking it was too feminine and yelling pink at it.
jordan holmes
Yeah, it might as well be pink.
dan friesen
Might as well be.
There are exactly two pictures of Gates in a pink sweater, and they are both from his 2015 TED Talk about how we aren't ready for the next pandemic that we might face.
At least one of these is from a site that's heavily trying to insinuate that this is proof of a conspiracy, which makes me think that Alex might just be seeing a bunch of bullshit conspiracy blogs posting a picture from Gates' five-year-old TED Talk.
Which is him making Alex think that he's constantly wearing a pink sweater.
As for Zuckerberg, I have no idea where Alex saw him wearing a pink sweater, but I also don't care.
This is just a super weird hang-up Alex has about men wearing colors he thinks are feminine.
We better pray that he never finds out that Trump wore a pink striped tie to the coronavirus press conference back on May 5th.
Or that Trump sells a bunch of different pink ties.
jordan holmes
Nah, they're not.
But they're manly pink ties, Dan.
They're the MAGA pink, which is a different hue.
dan friesen
I understand.
So anyway, I'm just glad that Alex has gotten this out of his system and we can move on to other issues.
alex jones
Warren Buffett more and more wears pink shirts and almost always poses with an ice cream cone.
Look, ice cream cone!
And it's like, oh, ice cream.
He's like a little boy.
He's like a little child.
He doesn't launder hundreds of billions in drug money.
Got caught doing it in 2010.
dan friesen
So this obsession with men wearing pink has got to stop.
jordan holmes
This is too much.
dan friesen
If we've reached the point where Alex thinks good, compelling content is just naming off his enemies and discussing the nefarious implications of what they're wearing recently, this show is past its expiration date.
This is not hard-hitting stuff.
Also, just for fun, I tried to find pictures of Ron Paul wearing pink shirts, and it was super easy.
Same for Nigel Farage.
I will say that I couldn't find any pictures of Yair Bolsonaro in pink, but that totally makes sense, since he's as invested in performative masculinity as Alex is.
It shouldn't surprise anyone to hear that Warren Buffett is almost always photographed in a suit.
It's kind of his thing.
Well, you know, I can't find any pictures of him wearing pink outside of the possibility of some pink dress shirt and a suit or possibly a pink tie.
Also, he doesn't get photographed all the time with ice cream, but he definitely has a few times.
And the reason isn't to make him look like a fun, innocent child.
It's because Berkshire Hathaway, the holding company that he owns, owns Dairy Queen.
jordan holmes
I was going to say, yeah, there's.
It's so fucking obvious.
It's the most ridiculously obvious thing that you could think.
But the only reason that he bought Dairy Queen is so later on in life he could fucking broadcast a predictive program.
Because it was a good deal.
Broadcasting.
dan friesen
Also, Warren Buffett didn't get caught money laundering in 2010.
But there is a real thing here that Alex is misrepresenting.
In 2010, the DEA conducted...
And concluded a 22-month investigation that had uncovered billions of dollars that had been laundered by drug cartels through Wachovia Bank, which by that point in 2010 had been bought by Wells Fargo, of which Berkshire Hathaway is the fifth largest shareholder.
Wells Fargo didn't acquire Wachovia until 2008, so this is definitely a pre-existing issue to Berkshire's involvement with the bank.
There's definitely some shady shit going on with Wachovia, particularly during the 2004-2007 time frame, but to imagine that somehow Warren Buffett was involved in that is ludicrous.
Alex is just desperate to lash out at his imagined enemies to the point where he'll just outright make false accusations, because he's been trained that there are no consequences for that.
Buffett is too busy to sue Alex for this clear instance of defamation, and Alex knows it.
There's just enough reality to the story that Wachovia did get in trouble for laundering drug money in 2010, and Alex knows that his listeners will find a headline about that and decide that Alex's story about it is true.
He's just the most pampered of radio personalities when you get right down to it.
He has the easiest fucking job imaginable.
Too frustrating and time-consuming to sue him, and just a trained audience full of people who will just be like, Oh, he is right!
I saw a headline!
jordan holmes
Yeah, I think people would not appreciate our show if we just listed people and talked about what they wore.
dan friesen
Although we might want to consider it because I think it would be easier.
jordan holmes
Oh, you're right.
dan friesen
You're right.
I could spend a lot more time coming up with marinade.
jordan holmes
Just Google image search different people and look, Mitch McConnell, he wore that thing.
So he's, yeah, that proves it.
And he's got sevens on his stuff and that's obviously the unbeast or whatever it is.
dan friesen
The real devil.
They want you to think it's sixes.
jordan holmes
Of course.
The greatest trick the devil level pulled was figuring out numbers.
dan friesen
So, Alex has another story here to get into.
Thankfully, it has nothing to do with the color pink.
I was getting a little tired.
jordan holmes
It's time for green!
dan friesen
Nope.
alex jones
San Antonio passed a law last Thursday saying you'll be arrested if you say Chinese virus.
They said because the WHO says it doesn't come from China.
And I guess the WHO could say the moon is...
Made of cheese, so.
dan friesen
Ha ha.
So, last week, the San Antonio City Council passed a resolution that just roundly denounced the use of the terms Chinese virus and Kung Fu virus as being racist.
At no point in the resolution does it say you'll be arrested for using those terms.
It's really more just a declaration of a commitment to protect the safety and dignity of the Asian residents of the city.
Alex doesn't bring this up here, but there's also a bit in this resolution about anti-Semitism, which has been mocked by a bunch of people on the extreme right wing.
They feign ignorance and pretend that the city council is just crazy.
How's saying Chinese virus anti-Semitic?
These loony left-wing safe space nuts are out of control.
And the resolution perfectly spells that out if you actually read it.
jordan holmes
Reading is hard for them, though.
dan friesen
In the preamble to the resolution, they include, quote, whereas the Jewish community has been targeted with blame, hate, anti-Semitic tropes, and conspiracy theories about their creating, spreading, and profiting from COVID-19.
The city council was making a point of calling out the nature of propaganda surrounding COVID-19, which is good, but it also opens the door to the very people relying on those anti-Semitic tropes and conspiracy theories to play dumb and pretend they don't get the point.
But they're always going to do that anyway.
jordan holmes
Man, my birthday, the first thing my dad texted me that morning was...
dan friesen
Oh, happy birthday, by the way.
jordan holmes
Yeah, yeah, yeah.
He, like, legit, like...
Hey, how you doing with the Kung Flu?
And I texted him back.
I was like, I would appreciate it if you didn't use that.
dan friesen
Not a great present.
jordan holmes
Yeah, thanks.
Happy birthday.
Like, that fucked up my whole day.
dan friesen
I'm sure.
jordan holmes
Like, it really fucked me up.
dan friesen
That's a bummer.
jordan holmes
And I was like, please don't.
I would appreciate you didn't do that.
And then he texted back, it is what it is.
And I have not spoken to him since then.
Wow.
Yikes.
I've spent in my head all day writing this whole, like, the only reason that you associate diseases with a certain group of people is to set the groundwork for a pogrom later on.
dan friesen
Or to some kind of stigmatization.
jordan holmes
Yeah, there's just no way to deal with it.
dan friesen
I'm sorry to hear that.
What a bummer.
It's real fucked.
So, I don't think, I don't mean to make light of this, just move along.
jordan holmes
No, no, no, please.
dan friesen
Let's move along.
I mean, there's nothing else to say other than that's a bummer.
jordan holmes
I can't be more furious.
unidentified
Yeah.
jordan holmes
It doesn't get higher.
dan friesen
Yeah.
So, I don't think that the World Health Organization has ever said that the virus didn't originate in China.
It's just that calling it the China virus is a meaningless name that can only be used to stigmatize, so they discourage it.
In the preamble to the resolution, they say, quote, That's the only time the World Health Organization comes up, and it makes perfect sense what they're saying.
Alex is lying, saying that the San Antonio City Council is saying that the World Health Organization says the virus didn't originate in China because he's a liar, and that lie works better for him.
So, if you're keeping score, in the 16-second clip that we listened to, Alex lied about the idea that this resolution was a bill to arrest people for saying Chinese virus, and followed that up with a lie about the World Health Organization saying the virus didn't originate in China.
It's like he's trying to set records.
It's amazing.
Land speed records.
jordan holmes
I mean, even in the function of their conspiracy theory.
Even if the Chinese government somehow created this and then released it, it's not the Chinese people who released it.
It's the Chinese people who are going to suffer from you associating it with China.
That is what's going to happen.
It's the people who are going to get fucked up.
It's not like you calling it the Kung Flu is going to really shove it in Xi's eyes.
Yeah, most likely.
dan friesen
That's the consequence that you're willing into existence.
jordan holmes
Somebody who had nothing to do with anything.
dan friesen
The Chinese government isn't going to be effective.
jordan holmes
Oh, you got us.
Cool.
dan friesen
So, this episode got off to a rocky start.
A lot of focus on pink.
But thankfully, I feel like we're free of that now and we can move on.
alex jones
David Icke had his little nod to Bill Gates with his little pink shirt.
jordan holmes
There we go.
alex jones
Well, now I am wearing the pink shirt.
Just to all show that we can be trusted.
Look, I'm wearing pink.
dan friesen
Oh my god.
It just won't end.
This is a very desperate.
jordan holmes
Tell me now.
Tell me now, Dan.
dan friesen
Sad attempt.
jordan holmes
How many clips are we going to hear?
dan friesen
Of pink shirt talk?
We might be done for now.
Although it is really funny because David Icke is on the show.
unidentified
Of course.
dan friesen
He comes up later.
Yeah.
And Alex has said that David Icke wore a pink sweater to stick it to the Bill Gates.
And we'll revisit that once David Icke is back on the show.
jordan holmes
Yeah, I imagine so.
dan friesen
So Alex gets to reading some headlines here, and you can tell from the way he's delivering these headlines that, man, you do not have a rebuttal for any of this shit.
alex jones
The virus spread accelerates in Germany.
Contagion within the White House would be catastrophic for U.S. national security.
GOP senators worry Trump COVID-19 could cost them the majority.
AP exclusive.
Doc show.
Top White House officials buried.
CDC report.
But depending on the graph, they're 50 to 10 times lower COVID-19 death rates than they predicted.
And the very same groups now put out all these new fake numbers.
And Trump's like, no, I'm not putting these numbers out predicting giant deaths and millions more cases because he goes, I don't trust your testing.
dan friesen
See, that's Alex Jones right there, doing a stupid mocking voice about a public health crisis because he has literally no other tools at his disposal to address these stories.
He also can't ignore them, and I think he thought he'd get more mileage out of the pink sweater than he did.
The one about the virus rates in Germany, I'm just going to leave that alone.
Not because I don't care, but because it's kind of complicated and it's secondary to what Alex is talking about.
Alex knows that he can't not address the fact that Mike Pence's staffer, Katie Miller, tested positive for COVID-19.
It's too big of a story, and the possible implications of it are things that he doesn't want to have to play catch-up with later.
If she was infectious, the number of people who were possibly exposed to the virus include most of the executive branch leadership.
Miller's husband is Stephen Miller, a high-level advisor to Trump, and she works for Pence.
This could be a disease vector that touches a whole lot of folks, and some of them, like Trump, are in high-risk populations with the virus.
It's not something that Alex can really ignore.
Alex knows he has to touch on this, but there's not much he can do.
If he says that it's the globalists infected her to try to get to Trump, this is basically an assassination attempt.
And I think that he knows that this is an escalation of his rhetoric that he probably shouldn't make.
jordan holmes
The globalists are trying to kill the president and then the president tests positive.
Well, guess what?
dan friesen
It's fine if he, like, I guess for Alex to be like, they're gonna take him out or something.
But this is too concrete.
jordan holmes
This is too real.
dan friesen
If he's saying there's a current attempt on the president's life, he's basically greenlighting all of his gone weirdo listeners to do whatever they feel like they need to do.
And even he knows that's dangerous.
So what are you left with?
There's no real option for covering that story other than to read it in a mocking tone.
This is like a bully who has no comeback, who resorts to doing a dumb voice like that makes a point.
jordan holmes
Like that makes a point.
Like that makes a point.
dan friesen
Right.
And that last story there is where this pattern is really on full display.
Alex has absolutely no good explanation for why the Trump administration buried that CDC report.
And the way he's talking about it makes it clear that Alex doesn't actually even understand the story.
Alex seems to think that it's a story that has something to do with projections and graphs.
In reality, the report that Trump shelved was, quote, detailed advice from the nation's top disease control experts for reopening communities during the coronavirus pandemic.
Presumably, Alex and all of his friends, their goal is to reopen the country, so it seems weird that the CDC came out with a detailed plan to help communities do just that, and then the White House shelved the report on April 30th.
That seems weird.
jordan holmes
I have a theory.
dan friesen
Oh, do you?
jordan holmes
I think maybe he disagreed with the report.
I think he was like, I don't like this report.
dan friesen
Seems hard.
jordan holmes
So I'm going to not have it.
dan friesen
Maybe.
jordan holmes
That could be.
dan friesen
So the Associated Press obtained emails that proved that the head of the CDC, Redfield, had approved this report and sent it to the White House for approval, but they killed it.
And a, quote, staffer at the CDC was told, we would not even be allowed to post the decision trees.
On May 7th, the Associated Press reported on this buried document, which looks really bad.
What looks even worse is that according to ABC News, quote, There's clear intention here, and none of it's good.
It's the sort of thing where obviously Trump wanted to reopen everything in a pretty roughshod, uncontrolled way, whereas the CDC's guidance was much more careful and measured, which would be slower and kind of a bummer.
Instead of letting the expert advice be released, they covered it up, and when what's the evidence of the report was reported on by the Associated Press, the administration tried to cover up that cover-up by demanding the report be refiled.
It's all pathetically transparent stuff, and Alex knows that he has absolutely no good argument for why Trump would act like that.
If the goal is to safely reopen the country, His actions make no sense.
So Alex comes up with a completely fictional version of the story that has to do with these narratives where he misrepresents death projections from January.
This is the best he can do.
He's reading headlines about a very serious thing, like high-level White House staffers testing positive for the virus, or Trump burying reports that could end up jeopardizing public health.
He reads them in a mocking tone.
I don't even know why he's doing the show anymore.
If that's the best he's got, that's ridiculous.
jordan holmes
You can be very large and yet still be a child on the inside.
Did you know that?
Did you know that your physical body keeps growing even if your maturity in the head part doesn't change?
dan friesen
I don't know how you feel good about this work.
You know what I'm saying?
jordan holmes
Money!
If you want money, you feel good.
dan friesen
I try pretty hard on this show, and I still will sometimes walk away with like, I could have done better.
I can't imagine what I would feel like if I just went in on our podcast and was like, I can imagine what it feels like.
jordan holmes
Freedom.
It feels like complete freedom.
dan friesen
We gotta work our way towards a show where I can just make mouth noises.
jordan holmes
That's a great show.
dan friesen
Thanks.
jordan holmes
Spin-off.
Alright, let's do it.
dan friesen
So, in this episode, Alex keeps saying that he has, like, clips of Bill Gates saying that he wants to kill children.
jordan holmes
Of course he does.
dan friesen
Right?
jordan holmes
Yeah!
dan friesen
And I'm like, no you don't.
jordan holmes
No, he does.
dan friesen
And then he ends up playing it, and this is so sad.
alex jones
Here's a few clips of Bill Gates talking about...
Childhood death and depopulation, and of course we have clips of him talking about death panels, get rid of old people.
But here's some of the things he said recently.
bill gates
Chance for us to share things like reducing childhood death and improving the nutrition.
So it's a chance for us to travel to Africa, meet with scientists.
We see a lot of things that are going very well, things like reducing childhood death.
jordan holmes
Improving the nutrition.
bill gates
So, travel to Africa, meet with scientists.
We see a lot of things that are going very well.
Things like reducing childhood death.
dan friesen
So, he clearly is saying reduce.
And Alex is thinking he says produce.
jordan holmes
Yep.
So, they played the clip again.
dan friesen
And it's on a loop, too.
And it's on a loop.
And then it's even worse because they play it slowed down and it's even more like reduce things like producing childhood.
That doesn't sound like produce.
Wow.
unidentified
But this is the smoking gun that Bill Gates looked really excited while talking about producing childhood.
jordan holmes
Did Geraldo just open a vault?
What the fuck just happened there?
dan friesen
That is wild.
Oh, man.
jordan holmes
He could.
Did he not listen to it?
dan friesen
I mean...
I don't know.
It could just be motivated hearing.
Because, you know, sometimes when you tell yourself, like, if I told myself to hear produce there, I probably could.
jordan holmes
Right.
dan friesen
But it's pretty clear he's saying reduce.
jordan holmes
It would take a lot of mental effort to be like...
dan friesen
You have to want it.
jordan holmes
Yeah, you gotta really want it.
Yeah.
dan friesen
So, in this next clip, Alex gets to the issues surrounding the Department of Justice dropping the case against General Flynn.
jordan holmes
Oh, because it's very clear intent on Bill Barr's part to cover...
Cover up a crime.
dan friesen
Big hero.
jordan holmes
No, he's covering it up because that's what he's...
dan friesen
Hero.
jordan holmes
He was hired to cover up crimes.
That's literally why...
The only reason you hire Bill Barr is to cover up crimes.
dan friesen
I feel like you're not hearing me.
I said hero.
jordan holmes
Nope.
I'm pretty sure that he admitted to lying to the FBI.
Probably committed way more crimes than that.
dan friesen
So, in covering this story, Alex has decided to focus on Chuck Todd on Meet the Press.
jordan holmes
That's a good call.
dan friesen
Right.
alex jones
And then, of course, we've got the situation coming out with General Flynn and some of the articles dealing with that on Infowars.com.
How now even the DOJ is slamming NBC's Chuck Todd over deceptive editing of A.G. Barr interview.
Yeah, how does that feel, Barr, when the media lies about what you say and then comes after you?
I've had the Attorney General in New York who were considering legal action against me now say that I claim I have a cure to COVID-19 or a treatment.
I never said any such thing.
dan friesen
Kind of did.
But yeah, I love you.
You just got to make it about yourself.
Got to make it about yourself, no matter what.
So Chuck Todd on Meet the Press interviewed Attorney General Barr and asked him, quote, when history looks back on this decision, how do you think it will be written?
On the show, Barr's response was, quote, well, history is written by the winners, so it largely depends on who's writing the history.
The full answer that Barr gave was, quote, well, history is written by the winners, so it largely depends on who's writing the history.
But I think a fair history would say that it was a good decision because it upheld the rule of law.
It helped, it upheld the standards of the Department of Justice, and it undid what was an injustice.
I see both sides of this.
Chuck Todd very clearly did a bad job here, and misrepresented the full context of what Barr said, and it's very hard for me to imagine that wasn't a decision that he made.
So fuck him.
But that being said, even with the full context, Barr's comment is fucking chilling and scary.
His first thought is still that history is written by the winners, and then he clarifies that he thinks what he did was a good decision based on the rule of law, and that any fair history would show that.
Feels kind of like rationalization of the immediate answer that even he must have realized sounded a little bit villainous.
jordan holmes
Yeah, that is a little bit like, well, so long as we remain in power forever, I think it'll be a great decision, guys.
dan friesen
It's the kind of thing where it's like, I think that answer, even with the full answer, is fucked up.
jordan holmes
No, it's terrifying.
dan friesen
But that doesn't excuse what Chuck Todd, the way he presented it.
Even though...
jordan holmes
I mean, honestly...
I don't think it matters because the rest of it was a lie anyways.
Sure.
Even Bill Barr in his heart can possibly believe that what he did would be treated fairly by history.
dan friesen
But at the same time, jeers must go to Chuck Todd.
jordan holmes
I don't even care.
You cannot care?
I don't think so.
dan friesen
I think in terms of being a fair actor and looking at the things...
That is a misrepresentation.
Because Chuck Todd did also say that he didn't justify this based on the rule of law.
jordan holmes
For sure.
dan friesen
That is a concrete misrepresentation.
Now, you could say on the spirit of things, fine.
But that's not what Chuck Todd's job is.
jordan holmes
No, I understand.
My feeling is we're getting abused by being fair.
And it is abuse for William Barr to pretend anything other than that he's covering up a crime.
dan friesen
Fine.
jordan holmes
I'm abused by it.
dan friesen
Fine.
jordan holmes
I don't think Chuck Todd should have done an interview with him, period.
dan friesen
I can agree with...
jordan holmes
Because he's just going to lie.
dan friesen
I can agree with that conclusion, but I can't use that agreement or that conclusion.
To justify misrepresenting a person on a news show.
jordan holmes
I agree with you.
dan friesen
You deteriorate the entire point of what you're doing.
jordan holmes
I agree.
dan friesen
And in the process, you don't achieve the goal that you want to.
You give firepower to the people that would provide cover for the cover-up.
Or whatever.
I think it's...
I don't know.
jordan holmes
My issue is letting him talk in the first place.
dan friesen
Fair enough.
And another sort of show could, I don't know, justify...
Like, if it was Sacha Baron Cohen.
unidentified
Yeah, yeah, yeah.
dan friesen
But that's not what Chuck Todd's doing.
jordan holmes
No.
dan friesen
But while we're on the subject of things being taken out of context, I should bring up that one of the major sources of justification for the Department of Justice dropping their case against Michael Flynn has come out and said that her words were being used inappropriately as support for a conclusion she actually opposes.
Former Acting Attorney General for National Security Mary McCord wrote an op-ed in the New York Times that includes the following, quote, The FBI had no counterintelligence reason for investigating Mr. Flynn.
It does not suggest that the FBI's interview of Mr. Flynn, which led to the false statements charge, was unlawful or unjustified.
Yeah.
The working theory, according to some legal experts, is that there was not good cause to drop the case against Flynn, but the Department of Justice came up with a weird technicality argument in order to avoid Trump trying to pardon him, which would have been a real clusterfuck.
It would have been a mess that no one in Trump's administration would want to try and do.
jordan holmes
Yeah, they will.
dan friesen
Well, they don't have to now.
jordan holmes
No, they don't have to now.
That's true.
dan friesen
The Department of Justice argued that the lies that Flynn told the FBI were not material lies, which is to say that they weren't relevant to other cases, and therefore lying about those things is not a crime.
This is not a very solid argument.
And in a sane world, this would probably trigger an independent investigation into how the DOJ came to this conclusion.
Alas, we don't live in a sane world, and so here we are.
And here again, we have Alex looking up to Bill Barr.
A guy who he should absolutely, unequivocally hate, based on everything he pretends to stand for and all of the issues that his career is based on.
jordan holmes
I just don't understand how it wasn't immediately an arrestable offense to hire Bill Barr.
dan friesen
It should be a red flag.
jordan holmes
Because that's literally like saying, oh yeah, no, I committed crimes.
That's why I'm hiring Bill Barr.
Remember when Bill Barr was the previous...
Remember when he was the Attorney General before and he covered up all those crimes?
That's why I hired him.
dan friesen
And it should be something that completely fractured Trump's base.
It should have been something that lost him all of the right-wing support.
Because they know who he is.
Or they should know who he is.
jordan holmes
He's covered up all their crimes.
dan friesen
Not that part of the right wing.
jordan holmes
That's true.
That's true.
That's a different part of the right wing.
dan friesen
I'm talking about his association with like Ruby Ridge and Iran-Contra are problems for the Patriot militia right wing.
They should have seen Trump even thinking about hiring him and been like, if he does that, we're out.
And then Trump should have, I guess he played it right because it turns out they don't care.
jordan holmes
They don't care.
They don't care.
He's murdering them right now and they don't care.
dan friesen
So, we get back to talking about Sweden, because it's Alex's favorite country or something.
Uh-huh.
And so he talks about the death toll from the virus in Sweden, and then he just makes some stuff up.
unidentified
Cool.
alex jones
How many people we got dead in Sweden?
Let's see the numbers in Sweden for me.
Pretty please, cupcakes on top.
3,256 in Sweden.
What's the flu usually kill in Sweden every year?
I was looking it up, about 15,000.
Of course, there's no deaths now in the U.S. from flu because they're all attributed to COVID, COVID, COVID, COVID.
They ought to have that as the new European siren on police cars instead of...
unidentified
It's COVID, COVID, COVID.
alex jones
Oh, what in a civilization?
Oh, a panic over a virus?
dan friesen
This show is good.
So we have two claims being made there, so let's look at them one at a time.
The first is that there were 15,000 flu deaths in Sweden a year.
That's a claim that Alex is making.
Data published about the 2018-2019 flu season showed that labs in Sweden only reported 13,757 total cases.
So that number he's got seems to be a little bit high.
They reported 505 of these people died within 30 days of their diagnosis.
To give you some idea of the scale.
In the 2011-2020 season, the death toll almost hit 1,000.
And from every indication I can find, Alex is just making up that number about Swedish flu deaths.
If his number were accurate and you applied that rate based on Sweden's population to the United States, we would have about 492,000 flu deaths per year, which again leads me to believe that Alex is just making this up.
jordan holmes
Ah, those are all COVID deaths now, Dan.
dan friesen
Maybe he just saw that they had about 14,000 cases last year, and he's misrepresenting that and misreporting it as deaths.
Whatever the case, he's just presenting bad information to his audience authoritatively, which is lame.
Also, Alex's claim that there's no cases of flu being reported because they're all being called COVID-19 is a complete lie.
You can easily find data on the CDC's website that reflects newly reported cases of influenza that are confirmed each week.
The number is going drastically downward because flu season is pretty much over, as it usually ends around the end of March or in April.
There are still 21 new cases in Week 18 of 2020, which ended May 2nd, and 26 cases the week prior.
You can find week-by-week data for influenza-related deaths on the website, too.
Week 18 had 20 deaths, and Week 17 had 106.
If you look at their data for previous years, this is pretty much the very common pattern for flu seasons, where deaths slowly increase as the season begins, and then they gradually go down as we come to the end of the season.
This drop typically comes in week 16 to 19 of the year and sometimes a little bit earlier, so this is all very normal patterns.
Not just calling all flu deaths COVID-19.
And there's very easily available data that shows that health officials are still counting flu deaths.
Alex is just making this up because it's important for his narrative to minimize the danger of COVID-19 and because he's a lazy fucking fraud.
unidentified
Yeah.
dan friesen
Which makes me actually kind of happy to hear this next clip where Alex basically just admits that his life's work has amounted to nothing.
alex jones
I'm actually now moving to the country.
I'm actually building the armored fortress.
It looks like a farmhouse, but it's going to have steel walls.
I'm actually giving up on folks.
I mean, spiritually, we've got to get people right with God.
We're going to try to fix things.
But we failed to stop the globalist takeover at this level.
We knew it would be a biological weapon attack.
We first said it would be a simulant to lock you down.
Been telling you that since Endgame, 2007.
And then the real bioattacks come after this.
dan friesen
Well, you failed.
The whole point was to stop the globalists.
You failed.
So you've done nothing.
jordan holmes
Yeah, that's a fitting end.
That is a fitting end.
He's accomplished nothing in his entire life.
And he should be ashamed of himself for being such a huge failure.
Even in his own fake reality, he's a giant failure.
Let alone in reality reality where he's a massive destructive failure.
dan friesen
But I also think it was inevitable.
I think that Alex's operation is doomed to failure to begin with.
Because it doesn't mean anything.
Like, none of the stuff he's talking about goes anywhere.
It's all bullshit.
So, like, basically, if you have smart, engaged, competent people in your audience, they're gonna end up looking into the things that you say, and eventually they're gonna be like, this guy's full of shit, and they're gonna move on.
You're not going to be able to retain a decent audience of engaged, critical people in the audience.
Yeah.
unidentified
So that self-selects for people who are gullible.
dan friesen
Mm-hmm.
jordan holmes
Right.
unidentified
Yep.
dan friesen
So you have that as your audience base.
And eventually, over time, maybe some of them will start to realize that nothing ever happens.
Right.
unidentified
They start to realize, well, we're on the cusp of this great war against the globalists.
dan friesen
And eventually that might disenchant some of them.
Yeah.
unidentified
Now, some of them will respond to this by turning off their critical thinking that's in their brain.
dan friesen
Right.
unidentified
Right.
dan friesen
They'll just be like, eh, fuck it.
Whatever Alex says is right is right.
They're 100% on the ride with him wherever it goes.
jordan holmes
You could say they've given up and have failed in their day.
dan friesen
Sure.
unidentified
Yeah, yeah, yeah.
dan friesen
And they'll just go along with it.
Like, Alex is the only one telling the truth, whatever.
Cultish devotion to the Infowar.
unidentified
Yep.
dan friesen
The other subset of people are going to be like, Alex is not doing it.
They'll find some other conspiracy.
Maybe it's QAnon.
Maybe it's some other guru in that world.
piece of their story be like, hey, Alex is controlled opposition.
Yep.
unidentified
Because that way they can start being conned by someone else and pretend that they've woken up.
dan friesen
Yep.
unidentified
They can pretend that they've seen through the bullshit and And Alex was conning them, but this one isn't.
dan friesen
And so now they're out of Alex's revenue stream, and that basically leaves a Constantly inward and outward flow of people who get tired of the bullshit and move along.
And the only people who really stick around are people who have been trained and coached to turn off all sort of critical thinking capabilities that they have.
And that is not...
I mean, you know, you can go for quite a while, apparently, using that as a fundraising base.
jordan holmes
Right, right, right, right.
dan friesen
But eventually, you know, you're not going to be able to do much with it.
It's going to be diminishing returns.
And as other things happen in your life, like you get sued by everybody, that base is not going to be able to maintain the standard of living that you've become accustomed to with your million dollar studios and all this shit.
It's just not going to pan out.
This is destined to fail because it's a system that needs to continue and can't.
jordan holmes
Yeah.
The content by its definition is a spinning wheel.
dan friesen
Yeah.
jordan holmes
It's never going to get anywhere.
And no matter how gullible you are, sooner or later everybody wants to finally get somewhere.
dan friesen
True.
jordan holmes
And they'll go somewhere else.
dan friesen
Right.
And so the only people who are not going to do that are going to be people who don't have a chance to begin with.
unidentified
Right.
dan friesen
They're kind of helpless to the...
Fraud and manipulation that Alex engages in, and that's not going to be a base that is going to sustain you forever, and furthermore, it's not going to be a base that's going to really do anything.
jordan holmes
No.
No.
And if you can't get another generation in to replace the people who go away, it's always going to be dwindling until it's nothing.
dan friesen
And there was a certainty, kind of, that Alex would be able to do that while he was the big premier game in the conspiracy propaganda world, but he's not that anymore.
His ability to recruit is minimized by his social media bans.
You know, the inflow has been stymied as opposed to the outflow continuing.
Like, it's just screwed.
Like, you know, when I heard him say this, like, we failed, I'm going to move to the country, that kind of thing, it's like, this is kind of, you knew this was coming, Alex.
jordan holmes
You failed before you began.
dan friesen
Right, yeah.
You had some high highs, and it was pretty impressive.
jordan holmes
It was a good ride.
dan friesen
Yeah, but this is kind of what happens.
You weren't building for the winter, more or less, because I think it's impossible.
Everything's so stupid that he's saying that he can't possibly get anybody who's either vulnerable or an idiot to be a fan.
jordan holmes
Yeah, yeah, yeah.
dan friesen
He's self-selecting an impotent base, more or less.
Not impotent, like unable to reproduce, but not able to do anything.
It's sad.
jordan holmes
Paranoid, perpetually in fear, and paralyzed by Yeah.
dan friesen
And think about how his business model also relies on self-selecting people who are gullible.
Yeah.
unidentified
Because like, you know.
jordan holmes
The placebo effect is his business model.
dan friesen
Well, back in the day, it was like, hey, the summer of rage is coming and the economy is going to collapse.
So buy my friends gold and everything will be fine.
And, you know, turned into the globalists are slowly poisoning you.
So buy my supplements.
Everything will be fine.
Those sorts of sales pitches are not things that you do with an audience that is critical.
Critically-minded, right-thinking people would hear that and be like, go fuck yourself.
Or they might look into it and be like, maybe gold is an alright investment, but I'm certainly not going to go with your shady ass friend.
jordan holmes
No, that guy is scary as shit.
dan friesen
Or they'll look into it and be like, do I really need the burpees?
unidentified
Am I going to get your krill oil?
dan friesen
What's going on?
Yeah, it's sad.
It really just kind of bummed me out.
Anyway, Alex has a surprise coming up on this episode.
jordan holmes
Okay, is Ozymandias coming?
alex jones
I have a little surprise for everybody.
You know San Antonio said they'll arrest you if you say the words Chinese virus.
jordan holmes
I hear a stunt coming.
alex jones
Well, let's just say we got a surprise up our sleeves.
Coming up next segment, we'll show you what's going on.
dan friesen
Nothing happened next segment.
I don't know if you play something later in the show, but I was like, I'm certain this is going to be fentanyl the dragon.
I'm certain it's going to be racist.
Whatever it is, since he's presenting it as related to the San Antonio story, I'm like, he's going to go fucking swing for the fences on some anti-Asian bigotry.
But I didn't hear anything.
I don't know what he was talking about.
jordan holmes
I expected him to have somebody in San Antonio saying racist shit in front of a cop.
That seems like the obvious thing for him to do.
dan friesen
Get Mark Dice out there.
unidentified
Yeah, just send somebody out there and be like, I'm a racist!
jordan holmes
And then see what happens.
dan friesen
So, Alex gets into, like I said, no payoff to this that I'm aware of.
Alex goes, maybe it was something that didn't make the broadcast.
unidentified
Okay.
dan friesen
Like the radio broadcast.
Maybe it was only on his video version.
I should have checked.
jordan holmes
Ah, don't worry about it.
unidentified
Anyway.
jordan holmes
We'll figure it out.
dan friesen
Alex does a sales pitch for some products, and this is one of the more confusing things I've heard.
jordan holmes
Okay.
alex jones
8-pack PowerStack.
jordan holmes
8-pack PowerStack.
alex jones
It's an AM and PM pack, 13 different pills, 13 different supplements.
This is a way for you to give friends, family, yourself, to boost your overall body's defenses, to be healthy, to sleep better, everything.
It's 60% off.
dan friesen
So the 8-pack PowerStack is 13 pills?
This is confusing.
So I went to the Infowars store to try and figure out what was up with this, and as it turns out, it's, quote, eight different formulas, and some of these formulas are double pills.
The flex and joint support, the nootropic brain, and immune support formulas are each two pills, whereas the other six formulas are a single pill.
If you do some simple math, that is not 13 pills, that is 12. There's even a visual on the website that shows each of the pills, and there's clearly 12 of them.
Where's the 13th mystery pill, Alex?
What are you hiding?
jordan holmes
It's the invisible pill that only men and info warriors can see, Dan.
dan friesen
Is that right?
jordan holmes
Yeah, they don't put it on the website, because then just anybody could see it, Dan.
You gotta order it, and then if you're man enough, the 13th pill will manifest for you.
See?
Man, manifest.
Makes perfect sense.
dan friesen
Yeah, you're right.
jordan holmes
I know.
dan friesen
I should have thought of that.
jordan holmes
You should have.
dan friesen
Also, it's called the 8-pack power stack.
There are nine formulas.
Did you hear me?
There's the flex and joint support, nootropic brain, and immune support that are two pills each, and there's six that are one.
The AM one, the morning one, has five things in it, and then the PM has four.
That's nine.
It's a nine-pack power stack.
jordan holmes
I can't imagine putting that much shit in your body.
dan friesen
It's a lot of pills.
jordan holmes
That's a lot of pills.
dan friesen
Yeah.
Also, none of the numbers match up, and I don't know what's going on.
They need to really get their marketing in order.
Their branding is problematic.
jordan holmes
I think it might be a little too late for that now.
dan friesen
Could be.
So Alex goes to calls before David Icke shows up.
And, I mean, David Icke, we're not going to listen to much of that interview because I don't respect the man.
jordan holmes
No.
unidentified
Why?
dan friesen
But Alex takes some calls.
jordan holmes
He's a top biologist.
unidentified
Dude.
jordan holmes
What?
dan friesen
He might be.
Alex gets a call from someone who works in the medical field, and this is the kind of hardcore information you're going to get from Alex's audience.
alex jones
We're going into a hardcore tyranny.
We're all in grave danger.
It says you're a medical worker.
What's your view on the lockdown?
jordan holmes
I just check in patients at an MRI office.
alex jones
What is your view on all this?
unidentified
My view?
It's over-exaggerated.
alex jones
What do the doctors and other medical workers around you think?
What's the consensus?
unidentified
They're just taking extreme precautions.
jordan holmes
I feel like it's half and half.
unidentified
Some of them are buying into it.
Some aren't.
alex jones
Well, I appreciate you calling today.
Anything else on your mind?
unidentified
No.
dan friesen
Good call.
jordan holmes
And appreciate her brevity.
dan friesen
Great call.
jordan holmes
Brevity is the soul of lies.
I really love it.
dan friesen
Great call.
unidentified
I feel like we walk away from that having a whole lot more information to work with, and I appreciate it.
dan friesen
Holy shit.
jordan holmes
Oh, man.
Some of them are taking it seriously, but we're all taking extreme precautions.
How do you feel about it?
I don't think it's that big a deal.
unidentified
Meh.
jordan holmes
Anything else you want to say?
dan friesen
Nope.
jordan holmes
Okay, then!
Cool.
dan friesen
So Alex goes to another caller, and this guy has a quote for Alex.
And Alex should recognize this quote, because it's one of the fake ones he uses.
unidentified
Of course.
alex jones
How long can the media get caught staging things?
unidentified
As long as we let them, boss.
What was the president that said?
I think it was James Madison.
He said how far we're here to go as far as we let them go.
alex jones
That's it, brother.
God bless you.
I appreciate your call.
dan friesen
So this caller thinks it's James Madison.
jordan holmes
I'm real mad.
dan friesen
Alex says it's Thomas Jefferson.
jordan holmes
I'm real mad.
dan friesen
It's actually Frederick Douglass.
jordan holmes
I'm really mad at both of these guys.
I'm really mad.
dan friesen
But I like that Alex doesn't even recognize that this dude is using one of his fake quotes and misattributing it to a different dude.
jordan holmes
I just don't.
dan friesen
It's funny.
jordan holmes
I just don't, man.
dan friesen
So Alex talks about how there's nobody at the hospitals and what have you, and they're faking things and all this.
jordan holmes
Although people are still getting MRIs, apparently.
dan friesen
Well, that lady is checking people in.
jordan holmes
Yes.
dan friesen
I only am going to play this clip because there's a really important point that I need to make about it.
I don't really care about a lot of his content, but there's something that he's doing in this clip that is a big problem.
alex jones
I got a threatening phone call from some folks saying...
We're going to sue you.
You claim our hospital is doing that.
Turns out, it was fake at that hospital.
So it's just because people would be out front.
They'd notice no one would be there for days.
All of a sudden, 20 people in hazmat suits and a line of cars for the media, and the same people were going in and out in circles.
dan friesen
Now, the reason that I played that is that is exactly the talking point that he uses about Sandy Hook.
unidentified
Yep.
dan friesen
The walking around in circles, the media lining up cars, that is...
Just him taking his Sandy Hook talking points and reapplying it to hospitals during the coronavirus.
He needs to be fucking careful.
He's doing it again.
He's in the middle of this, doing it again.
Tragedy.
He just can't resist being drawn to denying tragedy.
It's all he knows how to do to make money.
jordan holmes
So there are people who are walking in and out performatively for the media to...
So when you're performatively doing something unnecessary, so you'd be like acting.
So it'd be like acting is what they would be doing.
dan friesen
I think, if I understand this correctly, this has to do with some video that came out of someone doing a remote shot and needing an establishing shot.
So like asking people to stand in a line or something like that.
So the news report would have B-roll or whatever.
And sure.
Yeah, alright.
That's cheating a shot or something.
But it's not the dead-to-rights proof that Alex is pretending it is.
And plus, there's video of Alex doing things like that.
It's what TV news does.
It's not dishonest, but it's also not strictly honest.
jordan holmes
Wait until he hears about what they do on reality TV shows.
Some of those lines that those reality TV star people say...
They were given to them by a writer, Dan.
Can you imagine that?
dan friesen
Wait till you hear what Alex does in his documentaries.
jordan holmes
Oh, boy.
dan friesen
So, earlier in the show, Alex was obsessed with pink sweaters.
jordan holmes
Sure.
dan friesen
He speculated that David Icke wore a pink sweater to stick it to Bill Gates.
jordan holmes
He did it.
dan friesen
Alex accidentally asks David Icke about this.
jordan holmes
I shouldn't follow up.
alex jones
Zuckerberg works directly under Gates and admits he takes orders from him and wears the same pink sweater.
That's why I wore this pink sweater today.
Did you wear your pink sweater in the last lunch?
Well, uh, no.
dan friesen
Oh.
Well, I think David Icke just kind of likes pink sweaters sometimes.
jordan holmes
Petered out.
dan friesen
That's fine.
jordan holmes
Yeah, you should have yes-handed that one, Icke.
dan friesen
No, he doesn't need to, because I don't think he understands what Alex's weird masculinity narrative is here.
And David Icke probably doesn't care that much about that.
unidentified
Nah.
dan friesen
You can find a lot of pictures of David Icke over the years wearing pink shirts and sweaters.
He has a fine wardrobe.
jordan holmes
Pink's a nice color.
dan friesen
Yeah, whatever.
jordan holmes
I look pretty good in pink.
Not bad.
dan friesen
So, Jordan.
This last clip here that we have, we know that David Icke has been coming on Alex's show and saying that there is no virus.
It's completely fake.
jordan holmes
That's because there is no virus.
dan friesen
Alex keeps allowing him to come on the show and doesn't really fight with him about that, although he should, because based on everything Alex says, he knows that there is a virus.
It's not a fake made-up thing.
Unfortunately, every single time David Icke is on, he swings Alex.
The last time he was on, he swung Alex, and he's like, oh, you're right.
This time, Alex, this is so stupid.
david icke
I hear them saying, well, it seems as if people aren't getting immunity.
Even people that have had it, they're not getting immunity.
unidentified
But why are they getting immunity?
Because they've never had anything to get immunity.
alex jones
That's why it doesn't act like any virus had ever acted before, because you're right, it's just completely made up.
dan friesen
Well, Alex puts the pieces together for him, even.
David Icke doesn't even need to come to that conclusion.
Alex does it for him.
So I guess when Alex is like, eventually when people are like, hey Alex, remember you said that there wasn't a virus?
He'd be like, I didn't say that.
We just had David Icke on and he gave other perspectives.
That's what he thinks that is.
That's not what that is.
jordan holmes
That's wild.
dan friesen
That is Alex agreeing with.
jordan holmes
You can't do that.
dan friesen
No, you can't.
jordan holmes
You just can't.
You can't.
Like, that should be a part of every human being's brain, where it's like, I can't do that.
unidentified
Yeah.
jordan holmes
I can't do that thing.
dan friesen
Yeah.
jordan holmes
That thing that I was going to do, where I said everything that I believed was false and I agree with you, and then later, five minutes later, I'm going to completely forget that I agree with you.
dan friesen
And I'm going to be fucking defensive about it, probably.
jordan holmes
I'm going to be real mad about it.
Oh, yeah.
dan friesen
About people saying that I said these things.
jordan holmes
How dare you make me think that I said that thing that I think I said that I know I didn't say I think I said.
dan friesen
It's fucking stupid.
unidentified
Ugh.
dan friesen
Pointless.
jordan holmes
Ugh!
dan friesen
Anyway, this was a wild walk through a couple days of Alex's rangy nonsense, but we have reached the end, and we'll see what happens on our next episode on Friday.
Check back on the rest of the week, see if Alex falls apart completely and disowns his show.
jordan holmes
Why not?
dan friesen
I'd really like to hear him articulate more about how his life is a failure.
jordan holmes
I'm hoping for a real Coach McGurk style, like rips off all of his clothes and just goes into the forest.
dan friesen
Leaves the guns behind him.
jordan holmes
Yeah.
dan friesen
Braces the blade.
jordan holmes
Yeah, no, the man episode with Coach McGurk.
unidentified
Sure.
jordan holmes
Yeah, that sounds great.
dan friesen
We'll see what happens in this protracted meltdown that Alex seems to be having.
jordan holmes
It never ends, though.
dan friesen
No, unfortunately.
Or maybe it will.
Who knows?
jordan holmes
Can't wait.
dan friesen
So, we'll be back, but until then, we have a website.
jordan holmes
We do have a website.
It's knowledgefight.com.
dan friesen
Yes, it is.
We're also on Twitter.
jordan holmes
We are on Twitter.
It's at knowledge underscore fight, and I go to bed Jordan.
dan friesen
We're also on Facebook.
jordan holmes
We are on Facebook if you'd like to subscribe to Patreon, but if you would like, please donate to a local charity in your area.
It would very much benefit.
dan friesen
Yes, we'll be back, but until then, I'm Neo.
I'm Leo.
I'm DZX Clark.
I'm wearing a pink sweater to stick it to Zuckerberg.
alex jones
Andy in Kansas.
You're on the air.
Thanks for holding.
jordan holmes
Alex, I'm a first-time caller.
unidentified
I'm a huge fan.
I love your work.
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