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March 6, 2020 - Knowledge Fight
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#405: Root Races and Terminated Spiders

Today, Dan and Jordan have to stop the presses on Alex Jones because the newest installment of the Mark Richards interview series was released over at Project Camelot, and that is not something that can wait. In this installment, the gents learn about UK UFO business, dumb takes on public health, and the coming X-Men threat.

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d
dan friesen
01:02:04
j
jordan holmes
21:21
k
kerry cassidy
23:33
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alex jones
00:21
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alex jones
I'm sick of them posing as if they're the good guys saying we are the bad guys.
unidentified
Knowledge fight.
Man and George.
Knowledge fight.
I need money.
Andy in Kansas.
alex jones
Andy in Kansas.
unidentified
Stop it.
alex jones
Andy in Kansas.
dan friesen
Andy in Kansas.
unidentified
It's time to pray.
Andy in Kansas.
dan friesen
You're on the air.
unidentified
I love you.
dan friesen
Hey, everybody.
Welcome back to Knowledge Fight.
I'm Dan.
unidentified
I'm Jordan.
dan friesen
We're a couple dudes like to sit around, drink novelty beverages, and talk a little bit about Alex Jones.
jordan holmes
Indeed we are, Dan.
dan friesen
Jordan.
unidentified
Dan?
dan friesen
Jordan.
jordan holmes
Quick question.
dan friesen
What up?
jordan holmes
Have you ever been to an art gallery?
dan friesen
Yeah.
Yeah.
I would assume most people have been to art galleries.
unidentified
I don't know.
jordan holmes
Maybe on a school trip.
I'm sorry.
I don't mean like an art gallery.
dan friesen
I went to one with you.
Your girlfriend's an artist.
jordan holmes
I know.
No, I mean...
Goddammit, I'm trying to think of like the Getty Museum, like that kind of art gallery.
dan friesen
I've probably been to the Getty Museum itself.
A lot of family in California.
jordan holmes
Have you been to the Getty Museum?
dan friesen
I've done a lot of touristy shit in California.
A lot of stuff that I don't remember the specifics of.
But yeah, I wouldn't be surprised at all if I've been to the literal Getty.
jordan holmes
Really?
dan friesen
Yeah, but I've been to like the Field Museum here in Chicago.
I've been to the aquarium.
That's sort of a museum of fish.
jordan holmes
Is there any kind of particular artist that you appreciate?
No.
No, none.
No, I don't like art at all.
None of this Rembrandt bullshit.
dan friesen
I respect art and I appreciate those who appreciate it.
I also don't understand it.
jordan holmes
You don't understand it?
No, I do not.
Like visual art, period?
dan friesen
Yes.
jordan holmes
Like sculpting?
dan friesen
I can look at it and think, ah, that's cool.
That is about the depth of my understanding of it.
There are things that pop my eyes, you know, like intrigue me to look at, but I don't understand why.
I've tried to have people explain things to me about aesthetics and stuff like that, but it is completely foreign to me.
It's like they're speaking another language.
I have no idea.
My brother has a lot of that.
He's very into art and very...
Very talented with creating of art, like drawing and design.
And also really enjoys art itself.
And I just have none of it.
jordan holmes
That's fascinating.
Why do you think that is?
dan friesen
I don't know.
jordan holmes
The end.
dan friesen
I don't know.
Honestly, I've thought about it over the course of my life.
I never was too into art as a younger person.
But I tried to take...
Little courses on it here and there.
jordan holmes
Yeah, dip your toe in there, see what's going on.
unidentified
Nah.
jordan holmes
Nothing.
dan friesen
Right over the head.
jordan holmes
That's crazy.
dan friesen
Why?
jordan holmes
I don't know.
dan friesen
Why do you shame me?
jordan holmes
I'm not shaming you.
It reminds me, somebody told me, like, oh no, I don't really like music.
And it just boggles my mind whenever, like, there's so many cool shit.
dan friesen
Some people aren't into music.
jordan holmes
I know, I understand.
dan friesen
Let them be.
jordan holmes
I don't understand not being into music.
unidentified
It's a big world.
jordan holmes
I don't understand it at all.
dan friesen
I go back and forth on it.
jordan holmes
On music or understanding, not liking it?
dan friesen
I enjoy it in periods of my life, but I also really like the spoken word, like audiobooks and podcasts and stuff like that.
You know, there are some people who just need music all the time, and it's in their bones and stuff.
I am aware.
Like you, I assume.
And, you know, for me, I'm sort of in the middle, and I assume there's some people even further to, like, I don't even, I don't know.
It's just a bunch of beeps and boops.
jordan holmes
I don't know.
dan friesen
I don't know.
jordan holmes
It's a big world.
As always, I'm on the extreme end of just about everything.
dan friesen
Sure.
It's a big world, and I don't know too much about art, but I do know a lot about Alex Jones.
jordan holmes
And I know quite a bit about the former, nothing about the latter.
dan friesen
And that's the podcast.
jordan holmes
Indeed.
dan friesen
So, Jordan, today we've got an interesting situation to go over, and we'll get into all of it.
But before we do, we've got to take a little moment to say thank you to some people who have signed up and are supporting the show.
So first, Ch-Tis, maybe?
I think it might be a misspelling of Chris, but it's C-H-T-I-S.
jordan holmes
Okay.
dan friesen
So thank you so much.
You are now a policy wonk.
unidentified
I'm a policy wonk.
jordan holmes
Thank you.
dan friesen
Next, Bobby.
Thank you so much.
You are now a policy wonk.
unidentified
I'm a policy wonk.
jordan holmes
Thanks, Bobby.
dan friesen
Thank you, Bobby.
Next, Sharon.
Thank you so much.
You are now a policy wonk.
unidentified
I'm a policy wonk.
jordan holmes
Thank you, Sharon.
dan friesen
Thank you, Sharon.
Next, Scott.
Thank you so much.
You are now a policy wonk.
unidentified
I'm a policy wonk.
dan friesen
Thanks, Scott.
Next, Jason.
Thank you so much.
You're now a policy wonk.
unidentified
I'm a policy wonk.
jordan holmes
Thank you very much, Jason.
dan friesen
Thank you, Jason.
Next, Liz.
Thank you so much.
You're now a policy wonk.
unidentified
I'm a policy wonk.
jordan holmes
Thanks, Liz.
dan friesen
Thank you, Liz.
Next, Matthew.
Thank you so much.
You're now a policy wonk.
unidentified
I'm a policy wonk.
Thanks, Matthew.
dan friesen
Matty.
Thank you.
Next, Off Planet in the Falklands.
Thank you so much.
You're now a policy wonk.
unidentified
I'm a policy wonk.
jordan holmes
Thank you very much, Off Planet in the Falklands.
dan friesen
Thank you so much.
Next, and finally, I'd like to say thank you to a couple people who signed up on an elevated level.
We appreciate that very much.
So first, Nathan W., thank you so much.
You are now a technocrat.
And I listened to the entire back catalog, so I really should cough up.
Thank you so much.
You are now a technocrat.
unidentified
I'm a policy wonk.
Crikey, mate.
That's fantastic.
jordan holmes
Have yourself a brew.
dan friesen
How's your 401k doing, bro?
alex jones
All right, we got to go full tilt boogie on this, Watson, all right?
Let's just get down to business.
We ain't making that...
unidentified
Why are you pimp so good?
alex jones
My neck is freakishly large.
I declare Infowar on you.
dan friesen
Thank you so much, Nathan M, or Nathan W, excuse me.
Ooh, upside down W. That's what happened.
I saw the piece of paper from a different angle.
Thank you, Nathan W, and thank you to, I listened to the entire back catalog, so I should cough up.
jordan holmes
Yes, thank you very much.
dan friesen
We appreciate it.
If you're out there listening and you're thinking, hey, I enjoyed the show, I'd like to support what these gents do, you can do that by going to our website, knowledgefight.com, clicking the button that says support the show, we would appreciate it.
jordan holmes
Yeah, absolutely.
dan friesen
So, Jordan, here's the situation that I find myself in.
jordan holmes
What's that?
dan friesen
So, for our second episode this week, I felt a desire to get back in and discuss Alex's return to the studio after his trip to CPAC.
I knew he had some hot takes about the coronavirus.
Apparently, he's trying to lure Sebastian Gorka into a sad publicity stunt fight, and he's getting more and more comfortable these days bragging about literally murdering people, as I've seen reported around.
Great, he's up to that again.
jordan holmes
Yep, yep.
dan friesen
Cool.
jordan holmes
There he is.
dan friesen
I wish that those headlines would say, again.
But, you know, everyone learns anew at some point, and that's great.
jordan holmes
Hey, as long as everybody's getting there.
dan friesen
Sure.
If you get there, you get there.
Alex Jones brags a lot about murder.
jordan holmes
He does it a lot.
dan friesen
So, Monday's show was four hours long and full of emotional trouble and also just awful right-wing content.
The prospect of this Friday episode being another long, dense affair just didn't seem like it would be right in terms of being a steward of our audience's well-being.
I did not feel comfortable with that.
And so what I decided to do was cover this past week's content of Alex's show on our episode for Monday.
So on Monday, we'll be going over this past week and the chaos that's ensued on Alex's show.
And today, I thought we could spend a little time doing something a little more fun and fancy free.
The tensions are high in the world, what with the growing public health situation, the Democratic primary, and countless other real-world stressors.
So it seemed clear to me that if we're going to survive, we need something as removed from real-world stressors as possible.
And just our luck!
At the end of last week, Carrie Cassidy over at Project Camelot released her 12th interview.
unidentified
Do not tell me!
jordan holmes
Do not tell me!
dan friesen
With murderer slash space hero Mark Richards.
And that means that even if we weren't in this sort of position where the tensions are really high, we would still need to drop everything and cover this interview.
To get everyone up to speed who haven't heard all of our old episodes about this, Mark Richards has been in prison since the 80s, having been convicted of orchestrating the murder of an associate of his.
It's very complicated to get into briefly, but we've been over it a bunch and Mark totally did that shit.
Mark was also a little bit of a cult leader, and he'd enlisted young men and his work crew to be knights of his new Camelot, which would come into its ultimate form when they used a laser to isolate Marine County from the rest of the United States, at which point it would become Mark's kingdom.
jordan holmes
Yes, they were surprisingly close to making that a reality.
dan friesen
I don't know if they were.
Since going to prison, Mark has married a woman named Joanne who runs the Earth Defense headquarters.
I'm unclear on exactly what they do other than sell Mark's writing and books that and they book Joanne to speak at space weirdo conferences.
jordan holmes
He is not innocent.
dan friesen
As it turns out, he couldn't have been involved in the murder because he was off-planet doing a space mission at the time.
Case closed.
Dude is innocent.
jordan holmes
It does sound like he couldn't have done it.
dan friesen
At some point, Joanne met Carrie Cassidy, who runs a YouTube channel where people lie to her about space adventures.
Carrie interviewed Joanne about Mark's heroics, and through this, Carrie ended up being welcomed to interview Mark in prison at Vacaville in person.
From there, the rest is history.
Carrie has interviewed Mark 12 times now, and the stories he tells her range from standard conspiracy shit to the most outrageously fun nonsense I've ever heard.
His sentient spacecraft Minerva has a delightful personality but will not fly with anyone but Mark because of loyalties.
Speaking of loyalties, the noble raptor aliens are viciously loyal to Mark personally to the point where he once had an affair with their princess, the raptor princess.
jordan holmes
That is true.
dan friesen
He knew JFK as a child.
He's met aliens ranging from the mercantile dogs to the spider leadership to the archaeologist cats.
jordan holmes
Didn't you know when...
Winston Churchill, too?
Probably.
dan friesen
The Dutchman knew Winston Churchill.
His dad, Ellis.
jordan holmes
His dad is the Dutchman, yes.
dan friesen
Sad story.
I can't even remember half the dumb shit he said that we've covered on this show, but most of it's really funny, like how raptor aliens were featured in Jurassic Park and the Walking with Dinosaurs show, and how raptors like to come to Earth to go antiquing.
It's amazing nonsense.
Also, there's a 50-50 chance he's aware of us.
Listeners have pointed out that in an early Mark Richards episode, we joked about how if he's listening, the way to subtly signal to us was to tell Carrie about squid or octopus aliens, which he did do in the 11th interview.
Maybe the 10th, one of the more recent ones, he did bring up octopus aliens.
It's inconclusive to me, though, since there's a real good chance that octopus aliens were bound to show up at some point.
But it could also be a wink.
Not clear.
So, officially, if you're listening, Mark, Next time, tell Carrie that the octopus aliens are controlled by a benevolent AI.
It's important that they're benevolent because you would expect an octopus to be evil.
jordan holmes
Yeah, yeah, yeah.
dan friesen
That seems random enough for me to be able to make a conclusive judgment that there is absolutely...
jordan holmes
It is that or pick World Cup games.
dan friesen
And if we get this signal from you, we will start feeding you messages.
No, we will not.
jordan holmes
Yes, yeah.
dan friesen
Absolutely not.
jordan holmes
This needs to be a two-way street.
We need to start talking to Carrie Cassidy through him.
dan friesen
No, that would ruin the purity of the turf, as I've discussed.
Same with me not calling Alex.
Yes, yes.
Can't get involved.
jordan holmes
Of course, of course.
dan friesen
So, anyway, Carrie just went back to see Mark, and now it's time to see what there is to learn about the real world from this professor slash murderer.
jordan holmes
Let's see what happens.
dan friesen
Here's the introduction that follows a very standard course.
kerry cassidy
Hi, everyone.
I'm Carrie Cassidy from Project Camelot, and I'm here today to talk about my latest interview with Captain Mark Richards of the Secret Space Program called Total Recall 12 Space Command.
dan friesen
So she always calls them Total Recall because she has to remember the interview and then repeat what he said later because they don't let her record it in prison because he's a murderer.
But I've not heard any of these that have a subtitle.
Space Command.
jordan holmes
I take it we're going to be talking exclusively about Space Command?
dan friesen
That's what you would think.
jordan holmes
Fair enough.
dan friesen
It is not.
jordan holmes
Fair enough.
dan friesen
So, you might think, like, I've seen shows where people interview murderers in prison.
That happens.
jordan holmes
Netflix has a whole goddamn genre of show about that.
dan friesen
Yeah, that happens a lot.
Why won't they let Carrie do that?
jordan holmes
Yeah, it does seem like somebody is screwing with Carrie somewhere along the line.
dan friesen
I've never heard her explain exactly what the game she's playing is, but in this 12th interview, she explains how she is allowed to even talk to Mark.
jordan holmes
Okay.
kerry cassidy
What I always do is go to Solano Prison.
And I've been doing this interview now for around five years.
And this is, again, the 12th interview.
I am accompanied by his wife, Joanne Richards, who helps to facilitate the interview.
And because I am not doing this as an official journalist, because journalists are denied from interviewing him, And Oprah tried many years ago and was denied access.
jordan holmes
According to?
kerry cassidy
So what I do is go in as a friend, and I am not allowed to take a recording device of any kind.
I end up getting a tiny pencil, and I'm able to use that to do the interview.
dan friesen
So good it's not a crayon this time, as it has been in other...
I believe other installments.
So what she's doing is she's defrauding the prison.
jordan holmes
She is coming in there as a friend, taking interview notes and telling them she's not a journalist.
Because if she was a journalist, she would be banned from entering the prison.
dan friesen
She would not be allowed to speak to Mark, probably.
There's some sort of a rule.
I'm not sure what it is.
I have no idea how I would get to the bottom of this, or if I even believe it, necessarily, because it's all just coming from Mark.
jordan holmes
I don't believe Oprah tried to interview Mark.
dan friesen
No.
jordan holmes
I don't believe that for a second.
dan friesen
Maybe.
I mean, she talks to people like Dr. Oz.
jordan holmes
Is there that much of a difference?
Is there that much of a difference?
dan friesen
Yeah, I don't know what her standards are.
Maybe she would want to do some special where she interviewed Mark.
unidentified
I'm going to help you build that laser!
dan friesen
That's conceivably possible at some point.
Oprah might have been wanting to do some kind of a story on him being a murderer or something.
I don't know.
It seems unlikely that you'd want to interview him the same way that Carrie does.
That does not seem likely.
So yeah, cool.
I hope that doesn't get back to the guards at Solano Prison.
I hope that her saying that on her show doesn't end up resulting in her being barred from visiting Mark.
jordan holmes
That would be funny.
dan friesen
That would be a tragic irony.
jordan holmes
That would be a tragic irony.
I don't believe her for a second.
dan friesen
No.
I don't believe it either.
So, there's some stuff going on at Solano Prison in Vacaville that affected Mark's mood at the time of this interview.
kerry cassidy
Basically, that prison had been on lockdown.
For the two weeks prior because of a killing in the prison, and Mark was quite tired this time when I interviewed him.
Apparently all the things going on has been quite draining over those few weeks, and so that's the kind of thing that does go on.
It's possible he was also under attack, but he did not reveal anything about that.
dan friesen
I'm going to leave that last part alone and just say she's not making that up.
On January 29th, 2020, I'm Dan, this is 2020, two inmates were murdered at Cal State Prison Solano, where Mark is incarcerated.
The two attacks were separate, but all indications are that they were related.
At 3.20pm, two inmates attacked a lone guy in the general population yard, and then less than a minute later, another duo attacked another man in the yard.
At this point, I can't find any reporting on an official explanation for the motive, but it's a pretty messed up turn of events.
Violence at a prison is not that uncommon, but this sort of thing, like a pair of coordinated killings, I don't think that happens every day.
jordan holmes
I don't think that happens anywhere.
dan friesen
I could see this making Mark a bit tired, since there's probably a bit of increased security protocol and whatnot.
And you know what?
I don't care much for Mark, and I like to laugh at his dumb stories, but this is a pretty unexamined piece of what life...
is like for people who are incarcerated.
Mark had nothing to do with these killings as far as anybody can tell.
Obviously, I don't have any suspicion of that.
But because of them happening, they introduce all kinds of life stressors to do his day-to-day life.
That's awful.
jordan holmes
I can't imagine not getting some sort of PCSD in some form from that.
dan friesen
Yeah.
unidentified
That's fucked up.
dan friesen
It's very tragic, and I feel bad for him on a human level for that.
So Carrie has a big thing that she's into on this episode.
jordan holmes
I would assume it's Space Command.
dan friesen
No.
jordan holmes
How is that possible?
dan friesen
Everything is Space Command, man.
jordan holmes
Okay, fair enough.
dan friesen
All of this.
jordan holmes
Never mind.
Fair enough.
You're right.
dan friesen
So, Carrie is into this story.
And I've heard her talk about it in a couple of the interviews that I've listened to that we haven't covered.
Like when she went and talked to those magicians that were boring.
jordan holmes
How is that possible?
dan friesen
So there is a UK-based UFO event called Rendlesham.
The Rendlesham event.
And she actually went to the UK.
And that's when at least one of the magicians was a British dude.
And she was interviewing him and a lot of it had to do with Rendlesham.
And so she's been...
Getting into the case, trying to get to the bottom of this 1980 UK UFO sighting, and it turns out it might have been some trouble because of that.
She might be having some consequences.
kerry cassidy
I had been in England over the holidays right before returning on January 12th.
That night before, it was around 1130 at night.
We nearly had a head-on with a black SUV Range Rover that was in a two-lane road and had come over to our lane and was headed straight for us.
Raptors.
unidentified
We managed to avoid it at the last minute.
kerry cassidy
The driver did not seem to realize they were on our side of the road at any time and actually appeared to be preoccupied.
Uh-oh.
dan friesen
Uh-oh.
We got programmed people driving SUVs trying to run Carrie off the road.
jordan holmes
It's just like with the...
We're not sure if Mark was under attack.
Everything is about you.
Everything is about you.
dan friesen
And this extends into so many areas of...
Even just the stuff we cover.
How many times was Roger Stone under attack back in the early days before he was arrested or anything?
Like when he, like there was the polonium poisoning affair.
jordan holmes
That was the great.
dan friesen
But that is even like, that's, you know, you forget about the like multiple times Alex tried to say, someone tried to run Roger off the road.
jordan holmes
Yeah, yeah, yeah, absolutely.
dan friesen
This is something that gets a lot of mileage in these worlds.
It's completely unverifiable.
jordan holmes
Nope.
dan friesen
Super scary.
jordan holmes
Absolutely.
dan friesen
But if you believe it, it means that you're doing something that someone is afraid of.
So if you can get someone to believe the premise, you get them to buy the conclusion really easily.
jordan holmes
If the Reptoids aren't trying to kill you, you're not working hard enough.
dan friesen
Right.
jordan holmes
That's the truth.
dan friesen
And you know what?
You're working hard on something that's very scary and threatening to the powers that be, and that is Rendlesham.
kerry cassidy
So I believe the SUV was headed for us as a kind of a warning, possibly because of my sudden, So Jill, talk to him a little bit more about this later.
dan friesen
But the basic story of the Rendlesham event is it was on December 26, 1980, and a security patrol saw some lights appearing to fall near Rendlesham Forest.
They went towards the lights and claimed that they saw a glowing metallic object.
An hour later, police arrived.
They couldn't find any evidence of any of the things that the patrolmen claimed they had seen.
Downed trees or anything?
jordan holmes
Yeah, yeah.
That's super suspicious.
dan friesen
Two days later, Lieutenant Colonel Charles Holt came to the site to check things out, and he reported seeing flashing lights in the distance, among a few other anomalies.
One thing that's very helpful in this case, though, that's so absent in a lot of other ones, is that Holt kept very detailed notes from his visit to the forest, and even made a tape of his findings, which you can find if you're interested.
unidentified
Alright!
dan friesen
The Rendlesham Forest UFO sighting is a gigantic comedy of errors from 40 years ago that's been exaggerated and embellished by paranormal and conspiracy scammers.
And the entire story of it is pretty well explained by people back in 1980 mistaking various things as proof of aliens.
Carrie has recently, for some reason, become interested in reopening the Rendlesham Files, and good for her.
I hope she has fun.
But there's no chance that any government agent, mind-controlled, in a black SUV, is going to try and run her off the road because she's doing so.
I wanted to get into the whole thing about Rendlesham and really deconstruct it, but it's really simple.
Here's what happened.
There was...
An object in the sky, like a meteor, that came down near Rendlesham.
It's documented around the same time that this thing happened.
So the patrol people on the night of December 26th very clearly saw what looked to be a fireball.
unidentified
Sure.
jordan holmes
Basically.
Broke into the sky, atmosphere explodes, the whole thing.
I saw Armageddon.
dan friesen
They go and try and examine it, realize that they don't know where it came down.
They see a flashing light in the distance, and they're like, oh my god, look at that thing flashing.
They get all weirded out.
The police come, they don't find any indications of a UFO landing or anything like that.
jordan holmes
Because of course not.
dan friesen
Right.
Two days later, this lieutenant colonel comes and he starts poking around.
They find these little bits of evidence, in quotes.
One of them is little divots in the ground.
That they think are landing sites.
jordan holmes
Of course.
dan friesen
I saw the pictures of these.
They're very small.
jordan holmes
Tiny little aliens.
dan friesen
They are animal digs.
jordan holmes
Nope.
Tiny little aliens.
They're very small aliens with little tiny feet.
dan friesen
No.
jordan holmes
Okay.
unidentified
Come on.
dan friesen
He also ends up seeing lights in the distance.
jordan holmes
Aha!
See?
dan friesen
And he notes that they are flashing at a five-second interval.
unidentified
Yeah.
dan friesen
Now, there happens to be a lighthouse.
Exactly where those are.
unidentified
Where?
jordan holmes
I saw so many aliens whenever I was driving in Illinois one night.
You look out off the side of the road, there's thousands of blinking red lights.
Aliens.
Gotta be.
dan friesen
So, there is a lighthouse where this blinking light was.
Now, this Lieutenant Colonel, Halt, his base, where he was stationed, is a different place geographically than Rendlesham Forest.
It is to the north of it.
So, from his perspective, where he normally is...
That lighthouse is to the southeast.
But since he traveled south to go to Rendlesham Forest, it was straight to the east.
So when he saw this light, he discounted the possibility that it was the lighthouse because he was accustomed to seeing it from the southeast.
So the perspective of it is completely...
unidentified
How do you not know that?
dan friesen
And that's even present in his notes.
He says that the lighthouse is to the southeast, but it's not anymore since you've gone south.
So all of the instances of things that people...
In 1980, we're taking as indications that there's aliens afoot and all this.
It's all very easily explained by little misunderstandings, thinking that rabbit diggings are a landing site.
jordan holmes
Obviously true.
Right.
dan friesen
It's a comically lame...
In terms of...
Like, these sorts of events, because there is a lot of documentation from the first-hand stuff, like, you look at it, it's like, ooh, this is weak.
This is bad.
jordan holmes
I like the idea of a guy not understanding that geography doesn't move with him.
Like, no matter where he goes on the planet, he's like, well, obviously the lighthouse is to the southeast.
Of course.
dan friesen
I can kind of understand that not, like, being first in your mind.
jordan holmes
No, of course.
dan friesen
But then when someone brings it up, you gotta realize, like, oh, wait, that's...
Okay, that makes sense.
The lighthouse is right over there.
jordan holmes
It's a triangle.
I'm a right angle.
Gotcha.
dan friesen
Whoops.
jordan holmes
Hypotenuse.
I do the whole thing.
dan friesen
So anyway, no one's gonna kill Carrie for looking into this dumb...
jordan holmes
Ah!
Is the lieutenant colonel still alive?
dan friesen
I'm not sure.
jordan holmes
Second question, does he still own that Black Range Rover?
dan friesen
He was alive fairly recently, I believe.
He actually does believe it's aliens now.
jordan holmes
Well, yeah, of course.
dan friesen
In direct contradiction of the notes.
Right, right, right.
jordan holmes
Well, he's no longer a lieutenant colonel, I imagine.
He's got to make money somehow.
dan friesen
It's a weird thing.
There's a lot of dumb theories about it, and there's actually a ton of...
Rangy conspiracy about it.
unidentified
Alright, alright.
jordan holmes
You got any good ones?
dan friesen
No, I don't even care.
But anyway, it was just a lighthouse.
Anyway, now Carrie...
jordan holmes
That's the story of this show.
Anyways, it was a fucking lighthouse, guys.
dan friesen
So Carrie gets into talking about the old coronavirus.
jordan holmes
Sure, sure.
Oh man, I did not even think that we were going to get Mark Richards' opinion on the coronavirus.
dan friesen
I'm not positive we do.
unidentified
Okay.
dan friesen
Carrie has some thoughts, though.
jordan holmes
Never mind.
kerry cassidy
So there's a big push not to allow advertisers to have advertisements on alternative people that are talking about this subject.
And therefore, I'm going to be using a silly sign in place of that word so that we can get this monetized so that I can still pay my rent and also still discuss the topic.
So this is the kind of...
There's censorship going on on YouTube nowadays, and everyone is aware of it, so this is widely known.
dan friesen
This isn't censorship.
Carrie's holding up a sign that says coronavirus.
jordan holmes
Sure.
dan friesen
Anyway, YouTube has a policy in place where they demonetize videos about topics that they determine to be sensitive.
For instance, if there was just a mass shooting, videos covering that shooting will often be demonetized.
And if you think about it for a second, this policy makes absolute sense.
And it's probably one of the only compromises that the company can make to continue to exist and be marginally responsible.
The goal is obviously to stop people from spreading misinformation, whether intentionally or just by way of sloppy work.
After a shooting, you could easily pass along a misidentification of a suspect or erroneous early reports of multiple shooters, that kind of thing.
And if you have a platform that's big enough, that can be a detriment to the public information base.
In the case of the current coronavirus situation, it's really dangerous for people like Carrie to spread their views.
And I base this off the fact that about two weeks ago, she released an interview about the coronavirus with Jim Humble, who happens to be the guy who invented the master mineral supplement.
jordan holmes
Oh, no.
dan friesen
He sold MMS as a cure for everything from HIV to cancer to acne, but it was really just bleach.
A lot of the QAnon Johnny-come-latelys, when you hear them advising people to drink bleach for medicinal reasons, they're relying on the foundation of Jim Humble's work.
So if Carrie is going to do an interview with Jim Humble about the virus, you can imagine it's full of the sort of information that's not going to help anybody and may hurt people.
jordan holmes
So these people are treating bleach like the generic version of MMS is essentially what we're like.
It's cheaper to buy bleach than it is to...
dan friesen
Yeah, I think so.
And maybe they just don't want Jim to get a cut or whatever.
jordan holmes
Yeah, exactly.
I like it.
Fucking stick it to Big Pharma.
That's what I'm saying.
dan friesen
I haven't done enough digging into the QAnon side of this or even the sort of non-QAnon but current batch of weirdos side of things.
I don't even know.
Some of them might actually even be promoting Jim's stuff themselves.
It may just be like, hey, Jim figured it out.
So, like, you have people like Carrie, and that's the kind of person that she's talking to about an actual public health situation that's bad.
If you're YouTube, you want to discourage that.
But you also probably don't want to just ban all talk about the virus.
You probably don't want to even ban all irresponsible talk about the virus, since that could have the effect of stifling content creators' feelings about being able to make what they want.
The perfect balance is really just to demonetize the subject.
If you want to cover the virus, you're free to do so, and YouTube won't censor you.
However, if you're trying to spread misinformation for clicks, the demonetization serves as a demotivating factor, so you have less incentive to be sensational about a sensitive topic.
It's a tough situation, and there's almost certainly some good-faith actors who have ended up getting their videos demonetized because of this rule.
But, were I in their shoes?
I would kind of understand that.
And that's really the only way to preserve free expression on YouTube while still catering to the advertisers that allow videos to be monetized in the first place.
If constant demands are made for monetizations of videos where Kerry interviews a guy who wants you to drink bleach and YouTube goes along with that, it's only a matter of time before you're going to drive away all the big money advertising companies that make profiting off YouTube even possible.
It's basically a killing the golden goose situation.
And it's probably a battle people like Carrie should realize it's not in their interest to fight.
You're only going to end up screwing over the ability to make any money by insisting on making money on everything.
jordan holmes
Yeah, yeah, yeah.
dan friesen
It's a dime holding up a dollar.
It's very stupid.
Yeah.
Anyway, Carrie's mad about it.
jordan holmes
There shouldn't be a financial incentive to...
I mean, you shouldn't profit off of a terrible tragedy.
Like, it seems very simple.
dan friesen
I agree.
jordan holmes
Yeah.
dan friesen
Particularly in the immediate aftermath.
jordan holmes
Yeah, exactly.
dan friesen
But, you know, I don't know where my feelings are on the whole.
I think if I were creating an ideal world, we would have some sort of a way that you wouldn't be able to monetize.
Like, let's say you're doing Sandy Hook conspiracy videos in 2020, right?
I still think maybe there should be some thing in place where you can't monetize that.
And maybe there is.
I don't know.
I don't use YouTube all that much as a creator or anything, so I have no idea.
jordan holmes
It is frustrating, though, to not be, because I feel like you should be able to ban videos that tell you to drink bleach.
That just feels like it shouldn't be that hard, and then you go back into that, and you're like, okay, well, now where's the line?
And you're like, well, obviously, I don't know where the goddamn line is, but I just know you shouldn't be able to...
Drink bleach!
dan friesen
Yeah.
jordan holmes
It seems simple.
dan friesen
It's a difficult thing to figure out where exactly the line is.
So anyway, Carrie's talking about the virus, and she predictably has a pretty similar theory to Alex, but is a little bit wilder.
kerry cassidy
So there is a rollout of a step-by-step program.
Related to decreasing populations.
And the step one is triggered by 5G.
jordan holmes
Oh, I'm listening.
kerry cassidy
And that rollout now appears to be having an added sort of complexity level that involves this rollout.
unidentified
Sure.
kerry cassidy
So the two are...
Really linked, and I've done another video on this that has been getting out there quite well.
I can say that chemtrails and nano are also part of that concoction.
dan friesen
So you've got chemtrails and 5G being combined with the virus.
I mean, it's very similar to a lot of Alex conspiracies.
The depopulation aspect of it is absolutely in play in Alex's theories.
jordan holmes
So all the aliens are basically like witches in Macbeth just throwing all of these different things in a cauldron trying to get all of humanity to die.
dan friesen
Yeah, I think so.
I think that Carrie will spell it out a little bit more later in the interview about exactly how the aliens play into it.
jordan holmes
Sure.
dan friesen
But for now, it's 5G triggers things that are, yeah, that may be involved in chemtrails.
jordan holmes
Of course.
dan friesen
She doesn't get looped back to explain how chemtrails are involved, but they're always involved.
jordan holmes
Well, chemtrails are just there.
dan friesen
Sure.
So stage one is this 5G activation of stuff.
And then Mark has some news about stage two.
unidentified
Okay.
kerry cassidy
This is a plan.
There's also, according to Mark, the step two will be more earth changes that are man-made and a set of droughts that are going to be...
Creating limitations on resources, especially water, and limitations on travel.
So these are key items to keep in mind going forward.
dan friesen
This is just fan fiction about the consequences of climate change.
jordan holmes
Yeah, I mean, that's boo.
dan friesen
Boo!
jordan holmes
That's reasonable.
Of course there's going to be droughts, and of course there's going to be man-made changes.
We're there!
dan friesen
Yeah, totally.
She's just turning aliens into the driving factor behind it.
The man-made part, she's not.
I'm not saying it's because of fossil fuels and all that.
She's saying it's aliens are directing humans to do this.
jordan holmes
Yes, of course.
However you get there, you gotta get there.
unidentified
No, no, no.
dan friesen
Not in this case.
Not in this case.
Because in this case, the conclusion invalidates the correct thing that she's asserting.
jordan holmes
Okay, so maybe if instead she said we need to switch to all renewable fuels in order to stick it to the aliens.
dan friesen
I mean, yeah, that might be okay.
At least that would be productively dumb.
So we get back to Rendlesham now.
She's jumping all over the place.
unidentified
Okay, gotcha.
dan friesen
Earlier, I was kind of expressing a little bit of confusion.
Like, why is she deciding to reopen this cold case?
I mean, really cold case.
kerry cassidy
So, regarding Rendlesham, we had a fascinating discussion, and I had received a psychic message telling me to revisit the case.
It happened in 1980.
A lot of the witnesses have started to change their stories, have been changing their stories, have been in conflict with each other, and are suspicious of each other.
And there's a lot of evidence of mind control between the witnesses and among them.
dan friesen
I don't know what the evidence of mind control is.
jordan holmes
That sounds more like evidence that some of them are lying.
unidentified
Yeah.
dan friesen
So, Jenny Randles is the person who first primarily covered the Randlesham story in the press, in the London Evening Standard, and even wrote an early book about the event.
Her works are largely credited with building some of the early hype surrounding the alleged sighting.
But, in 2011, she said, While some puzzles remain, we can probably say that no unearthly craft were seen in Rendlesham Forest.
jordan holmes
Boo.
dan friesen
We can also argue with confidence that the main focus of the events was a series of misperceptions of everyday things encountered in less than everyday circumstances.
That's one person who changed their tune, but it's not recent.
jordan holmes
Nah, that's mind control.
dan friesen
Lieutenant Colonel Charles Halt's story has also changed, but it changed to support the UFO view.
He currently believes that a UFO did show up back in 1980, which, like I mentioned earlier, relies on him kind of negating a bunch of documented evidence that some of it he himself created.
jordan holmes
Yeah, but that's how you know it's de-mind control.
He's un-mind controlled.
dan friesen
Another person who changed their story is Jim Penniston, who's one of the patrolmen from the first night's affair.
He now claims that he touched a UFO that night.
jordan holmes
Lean in, buddy.
dan friesen
Weirdly, that was never mentioned when he was initially interviewed about what happened around the same time.
jordan holmes
Seems like that would be the first thing you mentioned.
dan friesen
Seems like he's changed his story.
jordan holmes
High on the list!
dan friesen
So there seems to me to be two sorts of people who are changing their stories in this case.
The first are people who were supportive of the UFO narrative initially, who changed their position based on evidence and explanation of what was being misperceived.
jordan holmes
Mind control.
dan friesen
The other are people who are initially skeptical, who have changed their position to believing the UFO narrative without any real reason, any evidence, and sometimes needing to contradict actual evidence.
jordan holmes
D. Mind control.
dan friesen
If I were someone who was involved in this event, I would probably also view everyone else suspiciously.
There are clearly some scammers in the mix, and I don't know.
I don't know.
jordan holmes
Yeah, that's not good.
He claims to have touched a UFO?
dan friesen
Yeah.
jordan holmes
That's fantastic.
dan friesen
So there's a cover-up going on here, obviously.
jordan holmes
Of course.
dan friesen
Now, it's obvious that this cover-up has to do with UFO in England.
jordan holmes
Yes.
dan friesen
But did you know that it also has to do with our electoral system?
jordan holmes
It doesn't sound true.
kerry cassidy
Now, regarding Rendlesham, There is a presence behind the scene of the usual suspects regarding mind control.
And that is the names that I've got listed here.
And they show up time and time again with regard to cover-ups.
And that includes the alien autopsy, the takedown of Richard Nixon, our president, back in those days.
Of course.
dan friesen
Was Nixon president in 1980?
jordan holmes
Back in those days, he was.
dan friesen
I understand that she's probably talking about prior to the Rendlesham affair, but yeah, I don't know if the Nixon impeachment was mind-controlled, but apparently it is.
jordan holmes
What else could it have been?
dan friesen
This guy, Mark Richards, and by virtue of their connection, Kerry is always right about everything.
jordan holmes
Naturally.
dan friesen
So the cover-up is mind-control based.
It extends to the alien autopsy and the Nixon impeachment.
jordan holmes
The tendrils are all over this thing.
dan friesen
Through ways that are unclear, but it's all basically about magic.
kerry cassidy
And these individuals are remote viewers, involved in remote viewing, involved in the origination, or putting together the protocols with Ingo Swann of the original.
And this involved Scientology practices as well.
So it's important to know that all of that is just information, a way of packaging information, a way of using your psychic abilities in a certain controlled way to access events and Future, past and present events, things going on that are what we call signal non-locality.
Spooky action at a distance.
These are all terms related to that.
jordan holmes
No, they're not.
dan friesen
We'll get back to this.
Spooky actions at a distance is a great expression.
jordan holmes
Well, that's quantum entanglement.
Spooky actions at a distance.
It's what they call it.
dan friesen
I love it.
jordan holmes
It's great.
kerry cassidy
And there's a lot of information and investigations that have been done around this.
It also has been around from time immemorial, not under these names, but certainly practiced by dark magicians and light magicians everywhere.
You name it.
So, your theory...
dan friesen
From a past Mark Richards Carrie Cassidy episode of her having some involvement in Scientology might be sounding a little less crazy now.
So apparently Scientology is just a formulation of making yourself able to use magical powers that witches and warlocks, you name it, have been using forever.
That's not good.
jordan holmes
I mean, I do like the idea that it's okay now to just be like, well, Elrond got some stuff right.
unidentified
Duh!
dan friesen
He does know how to use magic.
jordan holmes
Right!
Sure.
He got that elemental with him, and they fucking rolled out!
You know, that's the real issue here.
They're talking about the e-meter.
That's totally what she's talking about.
She's like, we're making people clear, but that's not Elrond's thing.
That's actually what fucking John D. did in the 1600s or whatever it was.
dan friesen
What if I were to tell you that instead of allowing you to use magic, it's a blackmail racket?
jordan holmes
What is blackmail but black magic, Dan?
dan friesen
Certainly.
So Carrie's talking here about Rendlesham, and we get some of Mark's perspective on it, and I don't think he's correct.
kerry cassidy
Mark said that the reason there's such a cover-up of the Rendlesham case is that there were over 200 people affected in the radius of the incidents.
That the aliens were attempting to land.
This had been their second or third attempt to make contact with humans.
They did not look humanoid.
And in this landing attempt, they used telepathy to communicate with...
Around 200 people.
He said there were both civilians and military in attendance and that lends itself to the idea that the landing was pre-arranged and this also went over On over a period of eight days as opposed to the three that are usually talked about.
dan friesen
This is all made up.
jordan holmes
No!
No, come on!
It's Alien Hanukkah, Dan!
dan friesen
What's so fun, when there's a cover-up, you can just say anything.
Evidence doesn't need to match anything because there's a cover-up.
jordan holmes
It's a cover-up.
dan friesen
And you can see this in the, like, none of this next clip means a fucking thing.
kerry cassidy
When the aliens...
Projected the images into the humans' minds.
A lot of the humans couldn't handle it.
What they were projecting were images not only of themselves but also of other races they've encountered and also other planets altogether.
And this sort of package of telepathic information freaked out.
The Americans and the British and all those in attendance out.
dan friesen
I think Mark's been reading Lovecraft.
jordan holmes
Yeah.
dan friesen
I really just think this is like...
jordan holmes
Really freaked him out.
dan friesen
Yeah.
This is just like Shadow Out of Time.
This is pretty similar to a couple of Lovecraft stories.
jordan holmes
I just like it whenever he throws out some details that make things a lot more complicated.
If this is their second or third time trying to contact us, don't they already know that their psychic abilities fuck people up?
dan friesen
What are you guys doing?
Carrie actually speculates later that they're the spider leadership.
The spiders were involved in this.
jordan holmes
I thought they were going to be rabbit people.
dan friesen
That's the only thing that makes sense to me.
jordan holmes
Exactly.
That's the only thing that makes sense to me.
dan friesen
So yeah, the spiders are like, alright guys, look, last time this really did not go well.
People freaked the fuck out.
jordan holmes
Let's try it again.
Guys, I propose we don't change a thing.
dan friesen
No tweaks needed.
It was probably just those people's fault.
Different people work differently.
It'd be great.
jordan holmes
Although that does humanize the aliens quite a bit.
dan friesen
And they're not humans, they're spiders.
jordan holmes
Exactly.
dan friesen
Most likely.
According to Carrie's theory.
So, a bunch of people freaked out, couldn't handle it, because they saw a bunch of alien beings in their head, which again...
Classic Lovecraft.
The idea that you catch an eldritch glimpse of another world and it drives you mad.
jordan holmes
The human mind can't handle it.
dan friesen
But you might think, okay, then what happened with them?
Wouldn't they still be raving mad people throughout Rendlesham?
jordan holmes
No.
dan friesen
Well, it turns out Mark might have also seen Men in Black.
kerry cassidy
A lot of the humans never recovered.
Their memories were wiped.
Afterwards, I guess through military mind control, attempts were made in that regard.
Some of those humans lost their lives and never recovered.
Then there was also an exchange of fire, because when there was an overload from the aliens to the humans, the humans reacted.
And then the aliens reacted because the humans reacted, and there was an emotional overload.
That went to these artificial intelligence that the aliens brought with them, who then reacted to the overload of emotional energy, and apparently one side or the other opened fire, I'm not sure which.
There was friendly fire as well, and individuals.
jordan holmes
Well, they were all in a circle.
dan friesen
This is mad.
jordan holmes
Again, adding that little detail of this is their second or third time just makes that so much better.
dan friesen
Afterwards, like, if you're the spider that was in charge of this, you're getting called into a meeting with your boss.
unidentified
Like, hey, hey, you should have known better.
dan friesen
How'd you let this happen?
jordan holmes
This is an event.
Third time, so that means...
I thought before it was just the humans got fucked up.
Now I know that we're creating a feedback loop where everybody explodes.
dan friesen
Contagious gunfire.
And the aliens have to be using, like, human weapons or else it would leave evidence of alien weapon discharges all over the place.
jordan holmes
Of course.
dan friesen
And then because the aliens and the humans are both in this feedback loop, the AI gets triggered.
There's an emotional overload.
unidentified
Yep.
dan friesen
Holy shit.
Yeah, this is a quagmire.
jordan holmes
Guys, this was a disaster the first time.
dan friesen
Yeah.
jordan holmes
I'm gonna say that maybe it was just, we landed in the wrong spot.
We gotta go to the UK, you idiots.
dan friesen
I just picture this spider going in to see his boss and dude's just like, you're so fired.
You are so fired.
unidentified
We have to do a 40 year cover up about this now.
dan friesen
Do you understand?
jordan holmes
Oh, that's really fucking up at your job.
That really is fucking up at your job.
unidentified
Totally.
dan friesen
Oh, back when I worked at Groupon, I got a price wrong on one of the deals.
And that was like a huge, huge mistake that I ended up having to get in trouble for.
It all worked out okay, but it was a big chaotic day.
I can't imagine if I was that spider.
Holy shit.
jordan holmes
I wouldn't recommend it.
dan friesen
So, anyway, none of that is real.
jordan holmes
Thank you.
Thanks for reminding me.
dan friesen
But actually, it might be because Mark met a guy.
kerry cassidy
Mark also said he has met a man near Salinas, California, who was an MP at the time, was in attendance on the Rendlesham meeting and landing, and he said he's never regained his memories completely, but lost his mind and never recovered from that either.
And that this was covered up in a huge way.
dan friesen
All right.
That makes sense.
jordan holmes
I love this type of storytelling.
Like, it's my favorite type of storytelling.
Have you ever seen The Magicians, the sci-fi show?
dan friesen
No, I have not.
jordan holmes
I will guarantee Carrie has.
But this is my favorite form of storytelling.
Introduce a problem and then immediately know the guy who can solve it.
Like, zero time difference between them.
Just like, hey.
I don't know if this is true or not.
Well, guess what?
I know a guy.
The end.
It's perfect.
dan friesen
Well, and also, one of the things I have a little bit of a problem with here is that Mark committed that murder in 1982.
Yeah.
And went to prison in 1984.
jordan holmes
Off planet.
dan friesen
Right.
Here's the thing.
That event took place in December 1980.
So if there was a former MP who was there, who lost his mind, it is a brief window.
Because Mark's been in prison since 84. If he met this guy in Salinas, it has to be that this guy was an MP, lost his mind, went to California, was wandering.
jordan holmes
Immediately.
dan friesen
The window is small.
jordan holmes
First thing that happens.
dan friesen
Unless, of course, astral travel.
Spooky action over distance.
jordan holmes
Sure, sure, absolutely.
dan friesen
I don't buy this.
Anyway.
So the coronavirus, according to Carrie and Mark, is a depopulation plan.
jordan holmes
Of course.
dan friesen
And we know this.
jordan holmes
We just know it.
dan friesen
Well, Mark knows this.
kerry cassidy
Many months prior to this whole occurrence and breakout of this...
So-called virus.
Basically, there was a plan, according to Mark, to eliminate 500 million of Chinese.
Chinese, this was their plan.
This was leaked to Mark, and I guess a certain...
Really?
And they were going to try to dissuade China of going down this path.
Obviously, they failed.
dan friesen
Important points.
So-called virus.
unidentified
Yeah, I love so-called virus.
jordan holmes
I love it.
dan friesen
Second, it was leaked to Mark?
unidentified
Yep.
jordan holmes
By the people he works with in the military.
dan friesen
Sure it was.
But you also see similarities between her narrative and Alex's narrative.
In terms of China wanting to depopulate, it was a Chinese plan.
All of this is very closely in line with a lot of the things that are the underpinnings of, up till this point at least, Alex's conspiracy narrative about this, which is weird.
jordan holmes
Yeah.
dan friesen
Weird.
jordan holmes
I immensely enjoy...
The so-called.
You can put that in front of anything and everybody's like, oh really?
dan friesen
It's kind of just being an asshole.
So here we see another similarity between her view of this and Alex.
kerry cassidy
There's no doubt that this version is a bioweapon.
It's unstable.
It will mutate.
And it is triggered as well by 5G.
Mark was not clear on whether that was the case.
A lot of investigation has been done recently.
dan friesen
So here you see a similarity and a kind of difference.
Because Alex, as far as I've heard, hasn't committed to the 5G necessarily being involved.
Although I have heard at least a caller make that point and he didn't push back on it.
So it's entertained on Alex's show at least.
But you have a fuller version here of it is a bioweapon, it's triggered by 5G, they're interconnected.
Also at the end there you hear like, This is just Carrie.
Mark didn't even say that.
This is supposed to be about her interview with Mark, and she's saying he didn't say this.
jordan holmes
You know what?
So far, I think she knows something, and that is Mark was not having a good day, so he's not bringing the heat.
dan friesen
He's tired.
jordan holmes
He's not bringing the heat this time.
I'm not hearing the heat out of it.
She said he just didn't know.
He's supposed to wink noddingly or something like that.
She just gave me a...
Mark doesn't know.
dan friesen
So this next clip is kind of where my brain just was like, I don't even know what to do.
I stared at my computer for like five minutes after hearing this.
I was just like, I don't know what's going on.
jordan holmes
You got mind controlled.
kerry cassidy
There's evidence even in the documentation behind 5G saying that it will, that oxygen is actually, it attracts oxygen.
Attracts 5G.
Somehow there's some kind of relationship there between the frequencies of 5G and oxygen.
As a consequence, humans around it will have trouble breathing.
dan friesen
I just didn't know.
I don't know what to do.
I don't know what to do.
Oxygen attracts 5G.
5G attracts oxygen.
I don't know what's going on.
That's the kind of thing that makes me want to just hide in the closet.
jordan holmes
Oxygen attracts 5G.
dan friesen
I can't do this.
jordan holmes
No, no.
When somebody says oxygen attracts 5G, you stop everything and you listen to them.
You listen to them as soon as they can.
dan friesen
Especially when they mumble through it very non-specifically.
jordan holmes
Very convincingly.
dan friesen
Yeah.
jordan holmes
How do you think oxygen?
Give me any kind of reasonable way that oxygen could attract 5G.
dan friesen
Well, you see, oxygen, what is it, right?
jordan holmes
Do you mean that literally, or is that like a, what is oxygen, man?
dan friesen
Give me the chemical compound of oxygen.
jordan holmes
Oxygen?
dan friesen
It's O2.
jordan holmes
Yes, I understand.
dan friesen
Oxygen molecules are bonded to each other, but there's a free electrode.
unidentified
I have no idea.
jordan holmes
All right, so we're dealing with an isotope of oxygen.
dan friesen
Maybe.
I don't know.
I don't know.
I hear stuff like that, and I almost get into trance.
I'm just like, no.
jordan holmes
I just don't understand how you can say that.
dan friesen
So there's a lot of people who have got the coronavirus, COVID-19.
There's a lot of people who, particularly in China, there's large numbers of people who have passed away.
Because of complications and the pneumonia and what have you, Carrie would say that this is not true, and in fact, there's something else going on.
kerry cassidy
So, as of February 16th, the numbers Mark had was 100,000 humans were involved.
He said 30% had died, 30% were infected, and 40% were taken off-world and shipped to other planets by the reptilians for food and sex slaves and so forth.
dan friesen
Okay.
jordan holmes
Does the virus make them easier to digest?
dan friesen
No, it's a cover.
It's a cover for the raptors or reptilians, excuse me, to take 40% of 100,000, so 40,000 people off planet to fuck and eat.
unidentified
Yeah.
jordan holmes
Okay.
That seems like a lot of work.
dan friesen
It's frustrating.
jordan holmes
That seems like a lot of work.
dan friesen
Right.
Considering they could just...
I don't know.
Whatever they do all the time.
Aren't they doing this all the time?
Like in wars and anytime there's like an earthquake.
Isn't that cover for aliens taking people to fucking eat?
jordan holmes
Yeah, you know.
dan friesen
You don't need to.
jordan holmes
Look, you know, sometimes you order the same meal.
At a bunch of different restaurants.
You go for the atmosphere.
Sometimes you need to get that food in a different way.
Maybe this is their version of going to a tiki-themed hut.
dan friesen
Sure.
Sometimes you order out.
Sometimes you want to walk to the store to pick it up.
It's different moods.
That's very stupid.
So it turns out there's a lot going on and what it has to do with on a grander level is aliens taking over the planet.
I started to hear a lot of things that are very similar to when Alex talks about what's at the bottom of the rabbit hole.
jordan holmes
Sure.
dan friesen
When he starts talking about the evil demonic spirits that are behind the globalists.
unidentified
Right.
jordan holmes
Which are totally real, and they are spirits, and they are not aliens, Dan.
Aliens are silly.
dan friesen
Well, it seems to me...
There's a lot of similarities between the way that Carrie talks about the Draco and the reptilians, and Alex talks about the demons that are behind the globalists.
kerry cassidy
We are fighting a battle here on planet Earth against their interference here on the planet, as well as their plans to terraform this planet.
So none of this is really actually all that new.
The added element, of course, of 5G has escalated the symptoms and the situation.
jordan holmes
Because it's attracting too much oxygen.
kerry cassidy
The rollout of chemtrails, the implantation of nano in the chemtrails and in our bodies is all part of the agenda.
the push to make a transhuman agenda and also change the environment here on planet Earth to make it a more methane-like environment.
All of this has been covered by Project Camelot in my interviews, in my presentations for many years.
dan friesen
The transhumanist agenda is something that Alex talks about a whole lot as being a way to make a world where these demonic forces can...
I don't know.
jordan holmes
Yeah, if she dragged Drag Queen Story Hour into this, it'd be like, oh, we just got bingo.
You nailed it.
dan friesen
And with the terraforming the planet, Alex talks all the time about how we're actually carbon-starved and the globalists are trying to change the environment.
Whenever he gets really...
Like, grasping, he'll pull out Childhood's End and how the aliens in Childhood's End needed to create the environment in a different way for them to be able to exist.
This is all very similar to just pulling things from probably the same sci-fi sources and just packaging them in different ways in order to either push a paranormal conspiracy world or a political conspiracy world.
I think people should recognize that.
When they're being conned by Alex, they might as well be buying into Carrie's shit.
Because it's the same level of reasonability.
jordan holmes
Yeah, we said it recently.
It's just like, the only difference between those is your flavor of sci-fi source material.
unidentified
Yep.
dan friesen
And it just goes on.
I mean, the similarities are very clear.
kerry cassidy
So, Reptilians and Draco are assisting China with their population reduction plans.
According to Mark, China doesn't need help from the West to eliminate population, and they are perfectly capable of doing this on their own.
So anyone who thinks that China is a victim in this scenario is wrong.
dan friesen
Boo.
I mean, taking aside that kind of callous and shitty perspective, you replaced Draco and Reptilian with globalists there at the beginning.
jordan holmes
Same thing.
dan friesen
The sentence, the globalists are helping China with population reduction, very easily comes out of Alex's mouth.
Very easily.
It's all the same shit.
So, Kerry will tell you that some opportunists are out there, and they're trying to use the coronavirus for their own purposes.
Maybe...
To get more attention to your videos that are monetized on YouTube.
Or maybe to sell food buckets.
unidentified
Sure.
dan friesen
That's not what she's talking about.
jordan holmes
Something wild.
dan friesen
That's not what she's talking about.
jordan holmes
Something unreasonable.
dan friesen
It's other sorts of opportunists.
kerry cassidy
There are opportunists out there that are taking advantage of this rollout of obviously this and more are basically using The weaponized and mutation of it to attack their own people.
It is no coincidence that the highest rates of CV are also showing up around the world in places where 5G has been installed.
dan friesen
There's a problem with this argument that Kerry is making, and that's that it's not really possible to trace a one-to-one relationship between coronavirus cases and availability of 5G coverage.
One glaring example of this is that there's a particularly bad outbreak in Iran.
According to Press TV, there is no 5G program in Iran as of February 13, 2020, but there are plans in place to begin launching one in the coming Persian calendar year, which just began this month.
So, that kind of doesn't make sense for Kerry's argument.
South Korea is another country with a ton of cases of coronavirus, but this too is an interesting study for the 5G argument.
The largest number of cases are in the area of Daegu, which does have 5G coverage, but the capital, Seoul, also has a very robust 5G network in place, and it has relatively few cases of the virus.
There doesn't seem to be a determinative factor here.
And given the kinds of data points you see, it seems far more likely that there's something else, another variable at play the carry is ignoring.
In order to push her 5G conspiracy paranoia.
jordan holmes
It makes perfect sense, okay?
Iran is trying to roll out this 5G technology, and then there's, it's like an oil spill, you know?
Some of the 5G got out before they were ready for it, and so that's why there's so many cases there.
Same thing, and Seoul, it's just contained better, whereas Daegu, they have a terrible 5G containment system, getting all that oxygen going around.
Everybody's screwed.
dan friesen
Similarly, Italy has had a lot of cases of the virus.
jordan holmes
Sorry, my bad.
dan friesen
But they only have partial 5G coverage in select cities.
In 2019, they launched 5G in Milan, Turin, and Bologna, which are all cities that have had some relevant coronavirus activity.
But the problem is they also launched 5G in Rome and Naples, which have seen relatively very little virus activity.
The next country with the most cases is Germany, and there is currently no 5G network in Germany.
There may be a few stray antennas around the country that are experimenting with implementation, but there's nothing you would call 5G coverage.
There are currently wireless companies making bids to build out, and according to an article in January from Dutch Awell, the whole thing is in its infancy.
A rep for Telefonica Germany was quoted as saying, quote, by the end of 2021, the company wants to offer 5G in the five largest German cities, and by 2022, it wants to expand to the 30 biggest cities.
jordan holmes
All right, well, we know exactly when Germany's going to fall.
dan friesen
So the next hardest-hit country is France, and they, too, are in the earliest stages of 5G deployment.
It's easy to see China and South Korea being hit very hard by this outbreak and say, those countries are on the forefront of 5G, so these things must be connected.
But that kind of thinking requires completely ignoring a ton of other variables and factors, which is kind of the Project Camelot specialty.
When you look at the actual country, like it's all good and well and fun to say the countries that are hit the most are the ones that rolled out 5G.
unidentified
It's just, it doesn't match the reality.
dan friesen
You're wrong.
That's just wrong.
jordan holmes
They're not good with nuance or variable.
Like, it's the same way that she described...
dan friesen
But it feels good.
jordan holmes
Yeah, well, it's the same way that she described, like, in that bullshit, callous, awful clip where she's like, oh, well, the Chinese have no problem killing themselves, so they're not victims here.
And it's like...
At no point in time does she accept that there's a difference between Chinese people.
Like, Chinese people are people.
Like, she treats them the same way that she treats the alien races of, like, all Draco do this.
So that means, in the same way, all Chinese people do this.
And it's not just their leadership killing them or whatever.
It's them all doing it to themselves.
dan friesen
Yeah, that's the essentialist argument that, or not argument, perspective that she has about classes of folk.
jordan holmes
And it's fucked up.
dan friesen
Yeah, it's very weird and unfortunate.
And dumb.
jordan holmes
Yeah.
dan friesen
So, to get back to more Alex Jones connections, in this next clip she discusses how humans are, there's a plan in place that's moving forward to make humans part AI.
unidentified
Okay.
dan friesen
Which is something that Alex talks about a lot.
unidentified
I'm cool with that.
kerry cassidy
At any rate, we talked about that humans are slated to become partially AI, a transhumanist species at this time.
Although Mark feels that the transhumanist agenda will not be allowed to happen because he believes there's enough military men like himself that are against it.
And the biggest issue is they cannot tell exactly when we move from being AI or from being human to being AI.
And there's a point at which you become...
More AI than you become human, obviously.
dan friesen
This is a philosophical argument that I'm not positive she and Mark had.
jordan holmes
I think they've got this one.
dan friesen
I mean, the humans are slated to become part AI, but it's probably not going to work because there's a human resistance within the military.
unidentified
Of course.
dan friesen
Is classic Alex.
jordan holmes
Oh yeah.
dan friesen
That is very, very...
Very Alex.
jordan holmes
It's going to be a counter coup that they need to get the coup taken care of, and that's how we're going to get rid of 5G or partial AI or whatever it is you like.
dan friesen
Something.
jordan holmes
Yeah, yeah, yeah.
dan friesen
So, it turns out Dracos, bad news.
Bad news.
jordan holmes
Yes.
dan friesen
Those Dracos.
jordan holmes
No good.
dan friesen
They're fighting the raptors in space.
jordan holmes
Right.
dan friesen
And it turns out that a lot of the things that happen on Earth are actually part of that battle.
kerry cassidy
So, he said that there's a Draco battle in the Orion galaxy, and a lot of what has been happening on Earth has to do with that battle.
In that battle, the Draco are fighting with the Raptors, and the Raptors have recruited one million humans who are fighting with them against the Draco.
At the same time, the Draco and reptilians, the reptilians report to the Draco, are working with China in order to distract the raptors here on Earth and occupy them and to take their attention away from here on Earth and to get them to fight in this battle in the Orion galaxy and so that they can take over Earth.
So it's a takeover scenario.
This is a kind of battle going on between what we call good and evil, but it's really a transhumanist agenda in the end.
dan friesen
Hey, Carrie, I gotta go.
jordan holmes
Oh, man.
dan friesen
I gotta go.
jordan holmes
Oh, boy.
dan friesen
Yeah, I hear stuff like that.
I was like, okay.
jordan holmes
I like the...
dan friesen
Nothing I can do with that.
Just gonna let you put that out there.
unidentified
Cool.
jordan holmes
I love the needs.
I love whenever they have specific needs, you know, like, of course the Raptors need...
One million humans.
The exact number.
dan friesen
It's like a child.
jordan holmes
No, it's Dr. Evil.
It's that kind of shit.
You don't know how many people are a lot of people.
dan friesen
Also, I feel like this plan is self-contradictory.
So, there's a pre-existing war between the Dracos and the Raptors that is in space.
Can you please take notes?
jordan holmes
I will take notes, yes.
dan friesen
I'm going to try and walk through this.
jordan holmes
I'm going to get my partial AI speed on this one.
Yep.
dan friesen
So...
Draco.
Fighting raptors in space.
jordan holmes
Always.
dan friesen
Battle of good and evil.
So, the Draco are coming to Earth and using the Chinese in order to distract the raptors.
jordan holmes
Right.
dan friesen
Because they want to distract them from the battle in space.
unidentified
Right.
jordan holmes
It's a feint.
dan friesen
Right.
In order to lure the raptor forces here so they can have success in space.
jordan holmes
Yes.
dan friesen
But then she says that it's a plan to take over Earth.
But it seems like Earth is really the distraction for the Orion space battle.
jordan holmes
Right.
dan friesen
What is actually going on here?
jordan holmes
Okay, so...
dan friesen
Earth seems to not be important, but then ultimately it seems like she's saying that it's the ultimate goal.
jordan holmes
Well, I mean, I think it's a lot like how in World War II you would see bases go back and forth.
dan friesen
You would see that.
jordan holmes
Like the Germans would take over this base, but what it was was a feint to get the French over there and then they retreat from that base.
And then go take over another one, and that's why they were enlisted to fight with the Raptors.
They were so good at planning, Dan.
dan friesen
But, Jordan, that base that they used as a fate was not important.
jordan holmes
No.
dan friesen
That's Earth.
jordan holmes
Yes.
I think that means that we're not important in this scenario.
dan friesen
But still, Carrie has to make us the most important.
jordan holmes
Well, we're crucial!
dan friesen
Because it's narcissism.
We're either bait or we're the heroes.
One of the two.
It can't really be both.
So anyway, we get back to similarities with Alex, and all I hear whenever I listen to this now is just such a stark contact between the evil force behind the globalists and the Draco.
It's almost one-to-one.
kerry cassidy
There is a relationship between the Draco and reptilians.
And the Greys who report to them, as well as what's called, they are kind of packaged together in a terminology called the Luciferian Alliance.
jordan holmes
Oh, of course.
kerry cassidy
They feed on humans and obviously, you know, our blood.
dan friesen
So they drink our blood, even.
And they're Luciferian.
There's the Satanism that's behind the globalists.
It's all exactly the same shit.
So there's a race that used to be around called the Anunnaki, and they were a humanoid species.
jordan holmes
Right.
dan friesen
And now they're helping with the bad guys, which makes them the globalists.
jordan holmes
Oh, so the Anunnaki are helping the Draco now.
dan friesen
Yes.
jordan holmes
Okay, okay, I gotcha.
dan friesen
Which makes them the globalists in this scenario.
The humans that are doing the bidding, or the humanoid or whatever, they're doing the bidding of the Draco evil force.
jordan holmes
Okay.
kerry cassidy
It's also significant that, as I've said before, that the Anunnaki were taken over also by this reptilian agenda and by the Draco.
And so what you have at this time is a Draco...
Anunnaki hybrid race.
And this is often where Anunnaki are considered or thought to be reptilian when in reality they are a humanoid species that were taken over by the Draco many eons ago.
And the Draco are helping China to obtain their goal of eliminating a certain portion of their population at this time.
So there is a sense that we have invaders at the gates.
jordan holmes
Always.
dan friesen
Always.
jordan holmes
Always invaders at the gates.
dan friesen
So you've got the Anunnaki who are humanoids who are doing the bidding of the Dracos and they're helping China.
jordan holmes
Sure.
dan friesen
It's all the same.
jordan holmes
I do see, like...
Here's what I see going on with this.
When the Protocols of the Elders of Zion was written, there was a committee there and they were all pitching ideas for what it was they were doing.
And one guy was just like, I know we're talking about Jews, but what if it was aliens?
And they were like, get this guy the fuck out of here!
And he was like, I'm going to start my own group!
dan friesen
And that was David Icke's grandfather.
jordan holmes
And here we are.
dan friesen
So we'll get back to some of this weird But it has to be interrupted by a claim that I just can't imagine is true.
kerry cassidy
There's also, I just want to highlight, I used to work as a contractor in the media, the area of media, at JPL, Jet Propulsion Lab.
And there's a very old-fashioned phone system that I became aware of that they keep operational.
And obviously this is analog and basically...
I guess in the event of an AI takeover.
dan friesen
I don't think I believe Carrie worked even as a contractor for the Jet Propulsion Laboratory.
Since 1958, JPL has been owned and operated by NASA.
So at any point that she could have possibly been there, she would have been employed by NASA.
I find this difficult to believe, but then again, a lot of really strange contract employment does happen.
It's not impossible to me, but I find this weird.
jordan holmes
Yeah, I don't like it.
I don't like it.
dan friesen
I don't buy it.
jordan holmes
I don't buy it, but it does have the sound of such a tossed-off fact that there's something behind it.
dan friesen
I feel like it would have come up a lot more in the past.
jordan holmes
Oh, that's true.
dan friesen
But another reason I find this hard to believe is that JPL offers a ton of fellowships and internships for students looking to build up their resumes, given that it's actually also part of the California Institute of Technology.
I would assume that whatever media contract work they would have, like hired Carrie for, could have easily been handled by a Caltech student, but I have no idea.
I'd be interested to know more about her supposed entry in this resume.
Even if she did contract there for a bit, I have no reason to believe that it gave her access to any inside information.
For instance, that little bit of trivia about the phone, she could have easily gotten that from a tour of the facility, which are offered to folks who make reservations or for what they used to hold open houses on a Oh, maybe she means she gave tours.
No, I doubt it.
If what she's saying about them using an old phone system is even accurate, there are other explanations for why that would be the case.
She's arguing that it's because of an AI takeover that they're afraid of.
But what about the idea that there might be areas of the lab that are engaged in very precise measurements that could be thrown off by electronic signatures from mobile phones or wireless signals?
I have no idea if that is the case, but off the top of my head, it's a possible explanation for why a super high-tech lab might rely on low-tech strategies for phones.
jordan holmes
Direct line to Batman, obviously.
dan friesen
It's completely conceivable.
jordan holmes
The direct line to Batman?
dan friesen
No.
unidentified
Now, we get into a weird theory.
dan friesen
This ends up being a rationalization for why Trump is closing the border.
jordan holmes
We can't just do racism.
dan friesen
We've heard her talk about this before.
This is not a completely fresh thought that she has, but it's fleshed out in a way that is a little bit more full than we've heard in the past.
kerry cassidy
So the Gray Human Hybrid Program, people had wanted me to ask Mark more about this, so I did talk to him about it.
Obviously, their government has made a deal with Gray's...
jordan holmes
Obviously.
kerry cassidy
Having to do with an exchange of technology.
This goes back to the days of Eisenhower and is very well known by people in our sector.
jordan holmes
Roswell.
kerry cassidy
Now, there was a deal also made to get them to stop abducting U.S. citizens and to focus on south of the border.
That, indeed, is what happened.
the Greys have been much more active abducting individuals in Latin and South America as a result over the past 60 years.
And this is really why Trump wants to close the border.
It has to do with those hybrids coming of age.
So those are gray human hybrids.
And that was a very successful program on the part of the grays.
And a lot of those individuals want to come back and come to the United States.
And this is creating kind of an X-Men.
Scenario having to do with a population that's hard to control.
dan friesen
All this is is creating a narrative where it becomes emotionally acceptable for you to accept brutal policing on vulnerable populations that are coming up from south of the border.
jordan holmes
Oh boy!
dan friesen
That is all just an outrageous fantasy version of why like...
Yeah, of course we should put people in cages.
Of course.
I mean, kill them if you need to.
They're super-powered.
Do you understand?
This could be a Cyclops with no mask situation very easily if we allow it to be.
jordan holmes
Oh, man.
unidentified
What if one of them is able to explode?
dan friesen
What do we do then?
jordan holmes
I just don't know.
I mean, you know, I think a lot of genocides were X-Men based, honestly.
I think personally, that's why genocides tend to occur.
There's just too many goddamn X-Men out there.
Every time they pop up, we gotta genocide them.
dan friesen
This is all just to create emotional distance between people that are unlike yourself.
jordan holmes
Yeah, that's fucked up.
dan friesen
It's really, really fucked up.
And I'd like to say this.
I understood.
That according to paranormal lore, Eisenhower signed a contract with aliens that has to do with abductions and stuff.
I understand that that is a part of the canon.
jordan holmes
You didn't realize it was foreign policy based?
dan friesen
I didn't realize that he sold out to people in Central and South America.
And if so, I would like to say, I don't like Ike.
jordan holmes
I don't like Ike!
unidentified
I do not like Ike!
dan friesen
That's really shitty, man.
jordan holmes
Really, that's American foreign policy in a nutshell, isn't it?
We just don't want problem on our board.
We just don't want it in our house.
dan friesen
Go fuck with them.
That's horrible.
jordan holmes
He made a treaty with them.
How can you make a treaty with them for another nation to be ransacked?
That's not even a treaty.
Isn't he just being like, hey, look at those guys over there.
Why don't you do those guys?
That's bad.
dan friesen
That's real bad.
jordan holmes
That's bad negotiation on his part.
And also, Carrie is being very racist.
dan friesen
Yeah.
Quite frankly, that's all that really boils down to.
It's just a rationalization.
I mean, it's...
I guess it's probably more fun to tell yourself that that's what you're afraid of.
jordan holmes
Yeah, yeah, yeah.
dan friesen
Probably.
unidentified
Well, hey, hey, it's not people who have different skin than me.
jordan holmes
I'm not worried about them.
It's that they're X-Men.
unidentified
It's that.
It's that.
jordan holmes
Dan, it's obvious.
I'm not a racist.
dan friesen
But look, the problem is that there's going to be an invasion at the border, and it might not be immigrants from the South.
And we know that this is going to happen.
And Carrie explains why.
She has it on really good authority.
kerry cassidy
There is also still the risk of the Chinese infiltration through our border and underground of that border, and I've actually had a very significant dream that I certainly hope doesn't come true, that it does involve Chinese invading through that border.
dan friesen
Oh, I didn't know you had a dream.
jordan holmes
Well, that's, I mean, now that I've got Dream behind me, there's just nothing I can do.
dan friesen
We do know that she's psychic.
jordan holmes
That's true.
dan friesen
Ooh, this is not good.
China's going to invade with X-Men.
jordan holmes
I think one thing that concerns me, she's on Trump's side.
dan friesen
Yeah.
jordan holmes
Does she not know who the bad guy in X-Men was?
The American government!
dan friesen
Right.
jordan holmes
It's about prejudice!
dan friesen
But that's how the movie got made.
You understand?
jordan holmes
It's pro-X-Men propaganda from the Chinese.
dan friesen
Exactly.
jordan holmes
You know what?
I retract my criticism.
This goes back to Alex.
She's on the side of the bad guy in every movie.
dan friesen
Yeah, no doubt.
jordan holmes
This is insane.
dan friesen
Also, important point.
I don't know what superpowers are being created down there, but every single X-Men movie I've ever seen, every single X-Man and woman can handle a wall.
I don't know.
jordan holmes
That's not true.
That's not true.
There's that one guy.
dan friesen
Who?
jordan holmes
The guy who's kept in that little room in X-Men The Last Stand.
The one who cured other mutants of their mutantness.
dan friesen
Magneto?
jordan holmes
No, no, no.
Magneto fucks up walls.
Left and right.
Nobody has ever treated walls.
unidentified
Fine.
dan friesen
90% of X-Men characters would have no problem with a wall.
Nightcrawler can crawl right over it.
Most of them can fly.
jordan holmes
People can walk through walls.
dan friesen
Right.
Or, I don't know, you get Juggernaut to just run through it.
jordan holmes
Right, right.
dan friesen
Problem.
Yeah.
It's solved for the X-Men.
jordan holmes
But then you reveal yourself to the greater population, so it makes more sense to just acquiesce to your horrific treatment.
You know, like how the X-Men did.
dan friesen
Okay.
Still gonna have a problem with the teleporters.
jordan holmes
Well, they're working for the Draco, man.
If you can teleport, you get Lieutenant Colonel status.
dan friesen
I love the idea that you're trying to create this exaggerated threat, and your solution is a fucking wall.
jordan holmes
Build the wall!
dan friesen
We got super humans.
Wow, I can't handle a wall.
jordan holmes
No matter what, everyone she likes is incompetent in these stories.
dan friesen
Fucking humans can climb these walls that we're building.
Non-superpowered people.
Dumb.
jordan holmes
That's very dumb.
dan friesen
Anyway, you were touching on some of the...
Let's call it subtle racism.
jordan holmes
Are we calling it subtle?
dan friesen
Well, compared to this next clip, what she said earlier was subtle.
This, not so subtle, also involves her believing that the movie Logan is real, which we have heard her say before.
jordan holmes
It's a great movie.
dan friesen
She has said that it's real before, so that part, not shocking, although what comes after it, very racist.
kerry cassidy
Again, the Greys report to the reps who report to the Draco.
There's an important story, this sort of story I'm talking about, has to do with an X-Men movie called Logan, which I highly recommend if you haven't seen it.
jordan holmes
Great movie.
kerry cassidy
And Latinos and South Americans are closer to what you call a root race.
They're closer to the root race, and therefore they are a better genetic sort of basis or more fertile ground for the...
Invasion of the gray genetics.
And when you do hybridization, it is known you need a very sturdy root stock.
And so this is why they concentrated in that area.
Meaning strong enough to handle, without dying, the gray DNA.
So that's really what's going on there.
dan friesen
Wow.
unidentified
Ch-ch!
jordan holmes
You know what?
This is proof of how equal our society is now.
dan friesen
Really?
jordan holmes
In the early 1800s, this is the type of shit that doctors would say about women.
And now here we are.
A woman is strong enough to paint an entire race of people with one big broad brush like we've always dreamt of, Dan.
dan friesen
It's equality.
jordan holmes
This racist bullshit is equality.
dan friesen
Okay.
jordan holmes
Jesus Christ.
dan friesen
I mean, you could...
Kind of make the argument that closer to the root race, that phrasing might be equivalent to unevolved.
unidentified
There might be a certain...
dan friesen
I can't even get it.
unidentified
This is comically offensive.
jordan holmes
I don't know how you can...
I don't know how you can say that out loud and be like, no, no, no, I'm not being racist.
I'm actually being complimentary of anything else.
Their genetics are so good.
They're so much better than ours.
dan friesen
Because this classification of people is different than white people, they are not as far along the path, which makes them easier for...
Aliens to hybridize.
jordan holmes
Yup.
Obviously.
Aliens don't want white people.
Dan, our genes will just fall apart at the drop of the hat.
Have you seen us on a beach?
We get all burnt and shit.
dan friesen
Well, we've become too human.
jordan holmes
I really just don't understand people who insist they understand anything about genetics while at the same time looking at somebody thinking skin color means genes are completely different.
dan friesen
Right.
jordan holmes
Like, oh, well, you're, you know.
Your skin is a different color than mine, so obviously you're from a completely different root race.
dan friesen
Stock.
jordan holmes
Yeah.
Jesus Christ.
unidentified
Yep.
dan friesen
Not good.
Very racist.
Glad that you watched Logan, though.
unidentified
Yeah.
Yeah.
jordan holmes
It was a good movie.
unidentified
So...
dan friesen
Turns out Mark had an option that he faced in his life, and that was the possibility to become more than human himself.
kerry cassidy
Mark Richards was offered a raptor enhancement, and...
It's a piece of raptor brain that would have been merged with his own, but he declined because he did not want to become part raptor.
jordan holmes
Raptors have brains in their tails, right?
kerry cassidy
Even though he works very closely with the raptors, and they are working on the side of humanity at this time.
jordan holmes
I don't like the at this time part.
kerry cassidy
And these are, yes, the velociraptors that Steven Spielberg depicts in...
The Jurassic world and the Jurassic movies.
dan friesen
She says that like she's exacerbated by constantly getting the question.
Yes, this is the same velociraptors.
jordan holmes
Duh!
And they don't have feathers, so don't even get me started on that shit.
dan friesen
That could settle a whole big thing.
Ask Mark Richards about the feathers.
I've never heard him chime in on that.
jordan holmes
That's a good point.
dan friesen
That would really settle that for once and for all.
jordan holmes
It would solve it for me.
dan friesen
Feathers or no feathers.
jordan holmes
Come on, Mark.
I need to know!
dan friesen
Yeah, so I guess, I mean, like, hey, I respect anyone's decision whether or not to become part Raptor, but it seems weird.
jordan holmes
Well, yeah, he would have been disqualified from the Olympics.
dan friesen
He had to be fair with the Raptor princess, though, and he won't even become part Raptor?
Boo, sir.
So we get now to the question of the 2020 election here, and Mark and Carrie have some...
jordan holmes
Great thoughts.
dan friesen
Interesting analysis.
Mark thinks that Trump will win, which I think a lot of people are concerned about.
jordan holmes
Right.
kerry cassidy
So regarding Trump and another term, he does believe that Trump will have another term.
He says the people running the Democratic side, those running are hopeless.
And the Iowa caucus was proof that the whole thing will be controlled.
That they are not going to allow any of those running to succeed.
Of course, our elections have been controlled for time forever, especially since the Kennedy assassination.
So from then on, you can be guaranteed that we have not had free elections.
jordan holmes
Wilson?
Not alien control.
dan friesen
No.
Certainly not.
jordan holmes
No, no, no.
He was too racist even for them.
dan friesen
But he did bring in the Federal Reserve, which you would think Draco would be into, according to the transitive property that I've built between the globalists and the Draco.
Yeah.
Cool.
jordan holmes
All right.
dan friesen
Astute.
jordan holmes
I'm telling you, Mark is not bringing it today.
This is a lazy take.
Yeah, the Democratic Party sucks.
Good call, Mark.
dan friesen
I will say that from my experience of watching it, I did also feel like there's much less Mark in this than normal.
There's a lot of Kerry's views.
jordan holmes
He was bored, and he was tired.
dan friesen
I think Kerry might have needed to flesh it out a little.
So we get now to talking about Trump, and listen to this and tell me this isn't just exactly Alex.
kerry cassidy
However...
What happened with Trump, and I've talked about this many times, has been a hack, hacking back from the Hillary side that was the election to begin with, of the election.
So that's how Trump came in power, being backed by a certain portion of the military.
dan friesen
Oh, being backed by a certain portion of the military, hacking back.
Would you say it's a counter-hack?
jordan holmes
I would say it's a counter-hack, Dan.
dan friesen
Yep.
This narrative runs...
Through many different communities.
They're all convinced of this idea that all elections are controlled, but Trump isn't because he's working with the good guys in the mysterious secret space program, deep state, whatever the fuck, in a counter-coup against the coup that Hillary was running.
It's universal.
It's weird.
So now we go back to Nixon.
jordan holmes
That's something that I was expecting you to say.
dan friesen
Nixon, he had a very particular job in the Eisenhower administration.
jordan holmes
Okay.
dan friesen
He handled the aliens.
jordan holmes
Yes, he did.
Of course he did.
Why didn't I assume that?
Why was that tape turned off, Dan?
kerry cassidy
We talked about the Cuban Missile Crisis again because I wanted to get some clarification on the information I'd gotten in the past from Mark regarding that and Nixon's role, etc.
Nixon obviously never got over it, and people are recommended to see the book by Ashton Gray, Watergate the Hoax.
dan friesen
I will not.
kerry cassidy
And Nixon had handled the E.T. situation for Eisenhower and was read in.
Nixon was taken down through mind control in an operation orchestrated by these usual suspects, as I call them.
dan friesen
Jordan, what's the glaring problem in this timeline?
jordan holmes
Oh, God.
dan friesen
The Cuban Missile Crisis happened in October 1962, at which point Nixon was not in office, nor was Eisenhower.
That was JFK.
He was busy.
Nixon was running for governor of California at that point.
jordan holmes
Well, he was still working with Kennedy handling his aliens.
dan friesen
He was not?
jordan holmes
No, no, no.
I know they ran against each other.
I understand that.
I know JFK won, and Nixon was absolutely furious with that.
But when you get a chance to handle the aliens for the President of the United States, you gotta do it.
dan friesen
And he wasn't.
Right.
jordan holmes
Those are two big stumbling blocks.
dan friesen
So, JFK was in office.
Nixon wasn't.
jordan holmes
Right.
dan friesen
And the Cuban Missile Crisis happened.
And somehow, Nixon couldn't get over that.
jordan holmes
Right.
dan friesen
And then would become president years later.
jordan holmes
Yes.
dan friesen
And then was impeached because of mind control.
unidentified
Right.
dan friesen
This doesn't make sense.
jordan holmes
I...
I wrote down the question, is she a Nixon fan?
And she answered it in that clip.
dan friesen
She's a Nixon apologist, at least.
jordan holmes
They always support the bad guy.
Do they just not know when a bad guy is a bad guy?
dan friesen
Well, this is actually not super consistent.
A lot of the folks who are in the Alex Jones-y side of the right wing, and Alex prior to the more recent history, were pretty not into Nixon.
Nixon was not somebody who they considered...
Someone in the Goldwater vein of anti-communist conservative.
jordan holmes
Well, and he helped open relations with China, which as we know now is a bad thing.
dan friesen
Alex is a little bit more muddy on that now because of being friends with Roger Stone.
That certainly makes it difficult when your best friend has a tattoo of Nixon on his back.
jordan holmes
It is difficult.
dan friesen
Alex is complicated in that, but a lot of the folks, if you go back to the John Birch Society folks, a lot of them were very Sure, sure, sure.
So Kerry's angle on it is very strange.
I'm not sure I've ever heard the he was brought down by mind control argument, which I appreciate on some level.
jordan holmes
Novelty is good.
dan friesen
So you might ask why could Nixon not get over the Cuban Missile Crisis, which he wasn't involved in.
I mean, unless while he was running for governor of California, he was somehow involved in the Cuban Missile Crisis.
jordan holmes
Well, of course.
dan friesen
Maybe.
She answers that, and it turns out it's her explanation for literally fucking everything.
kerry cassidy
Basically, with regard to the Cuban Missile Crisis, which Nixon never got over, there were Greys coming in interdimensionally that had to be stopped, according to Mark.
unidentified
Of course.
kerry cassidy
And they unleashed some very horrible stuff.
He said the Greys were involved totally in that crisis, that it was not about what people thought it was about.
In other words, Russian missiles, etc.
That was a cover.
dan friesen
There's always a Stargate going on everywhere.
There's aliens coming in and you just see it like, oh yeah, sure, you think that it's brinksmanship between world superpowers.
Nope, absolutely not.
It's aliens.
Always.
jordan holmes
Mark does not like immigrants so much he will rewrite history to always be about somebody coming into this country and how we need to stop them.
Yeah, exactly.
He hates immigrants.
dan friesen
It's painfully consistent.
Every time there is something...
You know, like the first Iraq war.
Saddam Hussein was trying to bring in aliens through a portal.
jordan holmes
Of course he was.
dan friesen
Every single thing.
Cuban Missile Crisis.
Nah, it was aliens in a portal.
Vietnam War.
Spider beings coming in through a portal.
Every single fucking time it's aliens in a portal.
And it turns out those fires in Brazil.
jordan holmes
Aliens in a portal?
dan friesen
Well, I don't know about a portal, but it's definitely about aliens.
kerry cassidy
He talked about the jungles in South American Africa saying that the greys considered jungles here on planet Earth as dangerous and Now that's what I was looking for from Mark.
unidentified
Mark just doesn't like bugs.
jordan holmes
He's projecting all of his hatreds onto the greys.
dan friesen
Why are greys afraid of jungles?
jordan holmes
Malaria!
dan friesen
They would be afraid of cities, too, then, because to them, everything is foreign.
jordan holmes
Well, it's an urban jungle.
dan friesen
This is so dumb.
jordan holmes
They prefer plains, Dan.
Temperate plains.
They want to live in Iowa.
dan friesen
If grey aliens are afraid of jungles because of there being a bunch of things there, they'd be afraid of everything.
Right.
They would be afraid of humans.
They would be afraid of cows.
This is exhausting.
jordan holmes
It's like War of the Worlds.
The aliens weren't afraid of us, but they should have been afraid of the cold.
See?
dan friesen
It's just like the grace.
I grow weary of this.
jordan holmes
The grace landed, and what we need to do to stop them is either, I guess, kill them all, or...
Turn the entire Earth into a jungle.
dan friesen
Now, see, this is one of those interesting instances where the fantasy scenario actually kind of works towards the right goal.
jordan holmes
Yeah, we need to reforest.
unidentified
Right.
jordan holmes
Stop the grace.
dan friesen
Right.
She should be opposed to the deforestation and the burning of the forest because she's afraid that greys are trying to hang out without the bugs.
jordan holmes
Right.
dan friesen
But in reality, there is the business interests that are behind the deforestation.
And so we all should be opposed to the Amazon disappearing.
jordan holmes
Including her.
dan friesen
Right.
And this is an instance of, like, if that's how you get there, that's how you get there.
We're in a crisis.
I'm not going to argue with you.
We'll deal with that later.
jordan holmes
We'll deal with it later.
unidentified
Yeah, yeah, yeah.
dan friesen
Yeah.
But other instances, not so much.
I cannot agree with the conclusions, but that's one I'll just go ahead and be like, all right, fair enough.
jordan holmes
I do appreciate knowing that I am part of the human race, which is not responsible for anything ever in our entire history.
dan friesen
It's all aliens and portals, man.
jordan holmes
It has always been aliens and portals.
dan friesen
And Carrie, I think on our last time we talked about her, she revealed her lackadaisical...
Lackluster superpower, which is her hands.
jordan holmes
She can douse.
dan friesen
She can sort of tell you where portals might be.
jordan holmes
She's a little bit of a dowser.
dan friesen
We get an expression of this superpower in this next clip.
kerry cassidy
So there is also information that I gave to Mark because when I come to visit Mark, I stay in San Francisco and actually kind of playing the tourist for the day before.
And in this case, we stayed on Fisherman's Wharf.
Fisherman's Wharf in San Francisco has become highly dangerous late at night.
It is right near the Presidio.
And I was basically bringing that to Mark's attention because it is possible that there is a portal there that has been reopened.
jordan holmes
Oh no.
dan friesen
Fisherman's Wharf is basically the biggest tourist center in San Francisco.
Everything there is just like super tourist-centric.
I've been there a bunch of times since my grandma lived in the Bay Area.
And one thing I will say that's kind of working in Carrie's favor here and there is that Fisherman's Wharf does house the original Ghirardelli chocolate plant.
So if there's going to be raptors anywhere...
jordan holmes
That is obviously where they're going to be.
dan friesen
You bet.
jordan holmes
Dan, you have cracked the case.
dan friesen
Right.
I've done it all at Fisherman's Wharf, man.
I've been to the chocolate factory.
I've gone to the cable car museum.
I've gone to Pier 39. And I've never seen an alien.
Last year did see a slight uptick in violent crime in the neighborhood, however, with a man being murdered there in March 2019, and there have been some robberies that have been reported.
The murder does appear to have been a fight between people who at least were kind of acquainted with each other.
It's very weird, the details you're able to find about that.
And you know, some robberies are going to take place in any area where there's a high concentration of people, so it's not, you know, it's obviously not good, but I don't think you should look at the robberies and be like, oh my god, everything's deteriorating, probably a portal.
Last month, a group of eight women attacked a 16-year-old Starbucks employee with a golf club and stole her watch and phone in a completely bizarre crime.
Despite this, I can find no indication of Fisherman's Wharf being any more or less dangerous than any big city tourist area after dark.
I'm betting that Carrie saw a high proportion of Hispanic people walking around, and because she knows they're closer to the root race, and thus more likely to be alien hybrids, she got freaked out.
jordan holmes
You nailed it.
dan friesen
That's kind of my suspicion.
jordan holmes
She just summed up white flight in two seconds.
She was like, well, it's dangerous after dark now, you know.
dan friesen
Right.
So, also, we get from Mark an explanation of the assassination of Qasem Soleimani.
jordan holmes
Oh!
I was wondering why that happened.
dan friesen
Well, it turns out...
kerry cassidy
Regarding the death of Soleimani, he said he was trying to access the gates between Iran and Iraq and give access to certain beings who wanted to come into this dimension.
This is the real reason he had to die.
He basically wanted to rule Iran and to let those beings in just as Saddam Hussein, who was deposed prior to that for the same reason, that Saddam was letting in Anunnaki and certain beings that simply wasn't going It's all portals, man.
jordan holmes
Does not know who Soleimani was.
dan friesen
I'm guessing he was bluffing around a little.
unidentified
Yeah, yeah.
jordan holmes
He has no idea.
dan friesen
I think that Mark is not very creative on one level.
I mean, some of the alien races and their particular Picadillos, like the antiquing with raptors and the archaeology with cats.
Yeah.
I think some of that's pretty fucking hilarious because obviously the cat one is because of litter boxes.
Digging around for artifacts.
I think there's some fun creativity there, but he's not very creative when it comes to geopolitical explanations for things.
Everything is aliens coming through a portal.
Qasem Soleimani is assassinated.
It's like, wow, that's weird.
Why would Trump do something like that?
And it's like, well, of course, he was trying to create a portal to let aliens in in the Iraq-Iran thing.
jordan holmes
It wasn't a petulant man-baby lashing out.
dan friesen
And we all know that that's a reasonable, valid argument to make because that's what happened with Saddam Hussein, too.
All of this is portal shit.
jordan holmes
It's just fucking boring.
dan friesen
It's very exhausting.
jordan holmes
Oh, man.
dan friesen
So now we get an update on another figure in the world of Project Hamlet, and that is Sean David Morton, who is the scammer who defrauded a bunch of people, didn't pay his taxes and went to prison.
Apparently he's not having a good time in prison.
kerry cassidy
Sean David Morton, regarding his book Sands of Time series and the fact that Sean is being tortured in prison.
He's in Texas now.
He's been moved to a Texas prison.
And he has been...
As I say, tortured.
dan friesen
I don't believe this, but just to be fair, I'm going to say, if he is being tortured, I'm wholeheartedly and unqualifiedly against that.
I don't believe this, though.
But if it is, please file a report with the human rights people.
jordan holmes
Agreed, absolutely.
dan friesen
Don't just try and do whatever you're doing on your YouTube show.
jordan holmes
No, get it out to...
dan friesen
It's a big...
Big problem.
jordan holmes
Torture is not that big of a problem to these people.
It seems like it's just part of the game.
dan friesen
It's very strange.
jordan holmes
You're going to be tortured.
dan friesen
I think that it trivializes the idea of someone actually being tortured.
jordan holmes
It absolutely does.
dan friesen
You should be contacting the UN or something.
If you actually have some evidence that your scam friend is being tortured in prison.
But there's a reason, and Mark explains why Sean is getting this treatment.
kerry cassidy
And I talked to Mark about why Sean was being tortured, and he says they may eventually try to kill him.
Obviously, they're trying to get at the witness, the testimony that was given to Sean by his lawyer through this other lawyer of an individual who ran Area 51 and S4.
jordan holmes
And that's why I shouldn't pay taxes.
kerry cassidy
And basically became a time traveler after that.
And I guess that...
That individual is trying to disclose information through Sean's books, doing a very good job of it, and Mark agrees.
dan friesen
So you've got a situation where there's a guy who used to run Area 51 and then became a time traveler, and he's giving this information that Sean David Morton uses to write his Sands of Time book.
unidentified
Right.
dan friesen
So Sean's been arrested for his...
Rampant crimes.
jordan holmes
Wow.
dan friesen
And now he's being tortured in prison and Mark believes that it's because they're trying to get at this whistleblower guy who's the source for the Sands of Time books.
jordan holmes
And did he become a time traveler after?
dan friesen
There's a problem.
jordan holmes
Or before?
dan friesen
There's a problem with this theory.
And that is that...
Let me read to you from the introduction of the first Sands of Time book.
jordan holmes
Sure, sure, sure.
dan friesen
Quote, As our planet was, he said, in grave danger.
But he could only tell the whole story after he had moved on, to use his exact words.
The government doesn't need to torture Sean to get his whistleblower because Sean's own narrative, according to that, that dude's dead.
He could only get the information after the dude was dead because Sean only got this from his estate when it was being sorted out after he died.
Like, I understand that you could be like, ah, after he moved on means he time-traveled or something.
jordan holmes
Sure, sure.
dan friesen
But he died.
According to Sean's narrative, dude's dead.
jordan holmes
According to Sean himself, the dude is dead.
dan friesen
The introduction of his book.
jordan holmes
You can't change the story now.
dan friesen
Internal consistency is pretty important when you're just making up conspiracy bullshit.
You would think.
And this fails that test.
jordan holmes
You would think.
dan friesen
Yeah.
So, anyway, Mark believes something is going on here.
kerry cassidy
Mark said that he read, actually, Sands of Time and that they contain some striking truths.
And basically, they may be trying to persuade Sean to discredit himself before they will release him.
dan friesen
If that's the case, he should be out already, because mission accomplished.
jordan holmes
Yeah, I'd let him go.
dan friesen
That dude's discredited.
jordan holmes
Yeah, if that's your goal, get on out of here.
dan friesen
He was discredited before he went into prison.
jordan holmes
Get on out of here!
Come on, buddy!
You were discrediting you.
dan friesen
I have one last clip, mic down for this, because it'll hit you with some whiplash.
It starts with a sort of standard complaint of the paranormal conspiracy world, and then a nonsensical thing to end on.
kerry cassidy
The problem with humans is that they're not waking up fast enough, according to Mark, and he says that they are going to be dupes for what's coming down in the future, if they don't wake up.
And lastly, regarding Trump's family, Mark says he believes the women in Trump's family are not human.
And that was basically, I think that's my last slide, yes.
And so that's it for the Mark Richards Total Recall.
dan friesen
Okay.
jordan holmes
No further comment.
Nope.
I don't believe they're human, and that's all I'll say on the matter.
dan friesen
People aren't waking up fast enough.
You're all going to be dupes in the future.
Also, the women in Trump's family are aliens.
jordan holmes
Not human.
Not human.
unidentified
No judgment value.
jordan holmes
No, like, they're good aliens, bad aliens.
They're Draco.
They're not.
They're just not human.
dan friesen
Well, we know that Carrie has previously said that she believes, or she's been told, or Mark maybe even said, That Melania is a conduit by which aliens communicate with Trump.
jordan holmes
Right, right, right.
dan friesen
But Mark wouldn't tell her what species of alien is contacting her, which is not good.
Now we don't even get any implication of...
Mark clearly didn't tell her what aliens...
Apparently it's not important.
And does this mean that Melania is an alien and Trump...
Wait, but Ivanka isn't Melania's daughter.
jordan holmes
Nope.
Trump has been fucking aliens since the beginning.
dan friesen
Does this mean Ivana is an alien too?
jordan holmes
This means that every woman in Trump's family is an alien.
dan friesen
Is Tiffany an alien?
jordan holmes
Why isn't Trump an alien then?
Is Trump's mom an alien?
dan friesen
I don't know.
jordan holmes
Oh, man.
We gotta find this out.
dan friesen
Oh, this is...
jordan holmes
This is big news.
dan friesen
This is a case that I am not going to crack.
jordan holmes
No, you gotta get to the bottom of this one, Dan.
dan friesen
Alright, fuck it.
Monday, I'm not going back to Alex.
I'm gonna get to the bottom of this Trump family.
Women are aliens.
jordan holmes
I'm looking forward to the dollar pep episode on Ivanka.
That'll be serious stuff.
dan friesen
This must mean Barron's gotta be an alien, too, then, right?
Because Barron is Melania's kid.
jordan holmes
Well, Barron's half-alien.
dan friesen
But I thought it was just the women aren't human.
I don't know.
jordan holmes
That's a good question.
dan friesen
I realize I don't care.
jordan holmes
Yeah, you know you would think that.
dan friesen
Right.
So we come to the end of this, and I think there's some fun stupidity and fun nonsense here.
I've enjoyed taking this little dalliance before we get down to, on our next episode, just getting right back down to business for Monday on the Alex Jones present day stuff.
But I think even though we try and take these breaks and we try and look at these completely non-real world things and you just see these shocking overlaps, these parallels between what underpins her world and what underpins Alex.
I mean, if you don't see the similarities between the two and the ways in which they sort of guide you towards similar bad conclusions, then I don't know.
I don't know what to tell you.
jordan holmes
I think she thinks it's a good thing, but this entire episode seems like she is completely dehumanizing everything.
dan friesen
People who are dealing with the coronavirus.
jordan holmes
Not real.
People in South America.
Eisenhower sold them all out.
dan friesen
People in the Amazon are being affected by the fires and deforestation.
jordan holmes
Yeah.
None of that matters.
No people matter.
Nobody is a player in the game.
The Chinese aren't players in the game.
It's all the Draco and their fucking reptilian buddies.
Nobody is a person.
dan friesen
I think the larger thing is that.
The way that these things work is that there are stories that are being told in order for you to not have to feel for the people who are affected in these circumstances.
There's a narrative that's being spun that's almost like an emotional weighted blanket that'll comfort you instead of having to look at the fact that no, there are a lot of things that are going on that That we should be doing more about.
And for some reason, we're either derelict in our duties or we're just not able to deal with some things that are hurting people.
jordan holmes
It's really hard to know that the government is purposely trying to deny water to immigrants coming into the United States undocumented.
In order to kill them as a deterrent for more people coming in there.
That's so fucked up beyond reason.
dan friesen
That's very tough.
jordan holmes
But what if they were X-Men?
dan friesen
Exactly.
jordan holmes
That's still fucked up!
dan friesen
Well, you and I in a situation where X-Men are real probably would feel that way.
That it's fucked up.
But it helps Carrie not to feel those very conflicted and hard emotions.
I guess if you need that crutch, it's fine.
jordan holmes
No, it's not.
dan friesen
It's very much not.
Certainly not.
jordan holmes
No, that's fucked up.
dan friesen
Right.
And Rendlesham didn't happen.
jordan holmes
No, it didn't.
dan friesen
It was a lighthouse.
jordan holmes
And Mark Richards has some very middle-of-the-road political takes.
unidentified
Yes.
jordan holmes
He's really got nothing.
He doesn't have any heat there, man.
He's a boring hack now.
dan friesen
I just think he had an off day.
It happens.
jordan holmes
That could be.
dan friesen
12th interview slump.
jordan holmes
That could be.
dan friesen
Anyway, we'll be back on Monday with a normal episode, but thank you for joining us for this abnormal one.
Until we're back, we have a website.
jordan holmes
We do.
It's knowledgefight.com.
dan friesen
Right.
We're also on Twitter.
jordan holmes
We are on Twitter.
It's at knowledge underscore fight, and I go to BetJordan.
dan friesen
Uh-huh.
We're on Facebook.
jordan holmes
We are on Facebook, and if you'd like to download the show, please go to iTunes, download it, leave a review, rate it, share it, donate, do the whole thing.
It'll be great.
dan friesen
Yep.
We'll be back, but until then, I'm Neo.
I'm Leo.
I'm DZXClark.
I'm the ghost of Rendlesham.
alex jones
Andy in Kansas, you're on the air.
dan friesen
Thanks for holding.
unidentified
Hello, Alex.
jordan holmes
I'm a first-time caller.
unidentified
I'm a huge fan.
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