Today, Dan and Jordan discuss Alex Jones' horribly misguided rally at CPAC. It was an event full of real dumb weirdos, from doomed congressional candidates and longshot grifters to Nick Fuentes. The goal was to get Trump's attention about the cause of free speech, but the end result is probably everyone waking up the next day not feeling like they did a good job.
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KnowledgeFight. | |
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| Hey, everybody. | ||
| Welcome back to KnowledgeFight. | ||
| I'm Dan. | ||
| I'm Jordan. | ||
| We're a couple dudes like to sit around, drink novelty beverages, and talk a little bit about Alex Jones. | ||
| Oh, indeed we are, Dan. | ||
| Jordan. | ||
| Dan? | ||
| Jordan. | ||
| I have a quick question. | ||
| What up? | ||
| As we all know, climate change is coming. | ||
| Sure. | ||
| What? | ||
| Natural wonder would you like to see before the world is changed by climate change? | ||
| Do you want to see the Amazon River? | ||
| You've seen the Grand Canyon, haven't you? | ||
| Amazon River would be great, but I feel like there's a lot of bugs. | ||
| There are a lot of bugs. | ||
| I associate mosquitoes. | ||
| Maybe not mosquitoes, but just like things that will eat me alive. | ||
| That kind of takes some of the wonder away from it. | ||
| Although I would like to see the Amazon. | ||
| I've been to the Grand Canyon. | ||
| I've been to just about everything in the United States. | ||
| I've been to a lot of national parks and national monuments and stuff. | ||
| Except for, I guess, like, I don't think of... | ||
| Maybe I have. | ||
| I don't know if I've been to Niagara Falls. | ||
| I was actually just about to ask you if you've been to Niagara Falls. | ||
| I like a waterfall. | ||
| You know, growing up in Hawaii for a bit, there was a lot of great natural splendor and waterfalls that you're able to find around the islands. | ||
| Waterfalls are very cool. | ||
| Don't go chasing them, though. | ||
| Says who? | ||
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Three gals that I know. | |
| I don't know. | ||
| That's a tough question. | ||
| I mean, like... | ||
| I don't know what the likelihood of various things being destroyed is. | ||
| I would put the priority at whatever is the most vulnerable. | ||
| That would be my thing. | ||
| I got to go to Iceland. | ||
| I saw a glacier. | ||
| I saw a whole ass glacier. | ||
| I climbed on top of it. | ||
| That one's going away. | ||
| That would be nice. | ||
| That would be up there in terms of a vacation. | ||
| Seeing a big thing of ice. | ||
| You know what? | ||
| Not that great. | ||
| I had the same reaction to when I went. | ||
| As a child, I went to Mount Rushmore. | ||
| I expected to see something that was like, oh my god, so amazing. | ||
| I went to it and was like, this isn't that great. | ||
| It's just a bunch of faces on a rock. | ||
| I remember not being all that impressed with it, too. | ||
| I thought it was smaller than I imagined it. | ||
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It was in the distance. | |
| I was much more impressed by Old Faithful. | ||
| The geyser. | ||
| Really? | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| You were impressed by Old Faithful. | ||
| It was pretty cool. | ||
| I'm uninterested in geysers. | ||
| Water coming out of the ground. | ||
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Awesome. | |
| We went and saw a few geysers in Iceland, and it was very boring. | ||
| Okay. | ||
| Yeah, you just wait around, and then it goes... | ||
| Yeah, that was pretty fun. | ||
| Fair enough. | ||
| We have different feelings about geysers. | ||
| But this is a podcast where we may not agree on geysers, but we agree that I know a lot about Alex Jones. | ||
| We absolutely do. | ||
| So Jordan, today we've got an interesting episode to go over because Alex has been out of studio all the last week. | ||
| He was out at CPAC. | ||
| There were people to harangue. | ||
| Yeah, and so we don't have... | ||
| I mean, I'm not going to cover Mike Adams hosting the show, nor Alan Keyes. | ||
| Oh, no, come on. | ||
| We've got to get some Keyesian economics in here. | ||
| I'm not going to do that. | ||
| So we don't have any of Alex Jones' show itself to go over. | ||
| But thankfully, I was able to find something that may be a little bit more fun, possibly, or a little weirder. | ||
| But before we get down to business on that, we've got to take a moment to say thank you to some folks who have signed up and are supporting the show. | ||
| Oh, that's great. | ||
| So first, Stephen, thank you so much. | ||
| You are now a policy wonk. | ||
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| Thanks, Steven. | ||
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| Next, Ron with two N's. | ||
| And by the way, generally, whenever I'm pointing out these spellings, it's just their name. | ||
| This is a person who actually, their name is Ron with two N's. | ||
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| I'm not doing it. | ||
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| With an I. She didn't point that out, though. | ||
| Which I? | ||
| The last one. | ||
| The last one? | ||
| Yes. | ||
| The end is the I? | ||
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Yes. | |
| Or there's an E? | ||
| But she didn't point that out. | ||
| This is me clarifying that. | ||
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Gotcha. | |
| So thank you so much, Christy. | ||
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Thank you. | |
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| Great name. | ||
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| Thank you very much, Dan. | ||
| Finally, I'd like to say thank you to somebody who donated on a hyper-generous basis. | ||
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| I don't know how to phrase this thing. | ||
| A kind person who is helping us do this. | ||
| In an attempt to be somewhat special in this thank you, I would like to bring back the old technocrat soundbite for this person. | ||
| It's a rare treat. | ||
| So thank you so much, Scott. | ||
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Go home to your mother and tell her you're brilliant. | |
| Someone sodomite sent me a bucket of poop. | ||
| Daddy Shark. | ||
| Jar Jar Binks has a Caribbean black accent. | ||
| He's a loser little titty baby. | ||
| I don't want to hate black people. | ||
| I renounce Jesus Christ! | ||
| Thank you so much, Scott! | ||
| Yes, thank you very much, Scott! | ||
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| So, Jordan, like I said, Alex Jones and most of the Infowars family went to Washington, D.C. to try and whine and beg for attention by taking over CPAC. | ||
| Like the Beverly Hills hillbillies. | ||
| Somewhat. | ||
| In their conception, they were taking over CPAC. | ||
| So, there were all sorts of... | ||
| Lots of highlights from the trip, like Gavin McGinnis getting kicked out of CPAC and Gavin McGinnis being told to leave the lobby outside CPAC in the middle of being interviewed by Alex's intern, Harrison Smith, about how he'd been kicked out of CPAC. | ||
| Good stuff. | ||
| Great highlights. | ||
| Very headline-worthy stuff. | ||
| Oh, yeah. | ||
| They threw some kind of gala party on Thursday night, but for a person like me who's about the substance, it was all about their Emergency Save the First Amendment Summit, which took place Wednesday evening. | ||
| This was an event that promised appearances from the likes of Millie Weaver, Gavin McGinnis, and the hastily booked Nick Fuentes, all booked to complain about how they're not allowed on social media. | ||
| Oh man, this is like the cast of Birth of a Nation. | ||
| Like, this is creepy. | ||
| This is not good. | ||
| In what I can only describe as a huge mistake, the entire video of this First Amendment Summit was posted on Infowars. | ||
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What? | |
| Why? | ||
| You don't want evidence of your shit! | ||
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No. | |
| You let this one just live for the live people. | ||
| Just don't leave evidence. | ||
| It might be one of the saddest things I've ever seen in my life. | ||
| That sounds right. | ||
| First of all, as we know, the event was being put on by National File, which is the blog that Alex's employee Tom Papert runs. | ||
| I call him an employee, but that might not actually be the most accurate term. | ||
| Like, Papert used to host Firepower Radio until they all realized it was pointless and no one was listening, and he fills in for Owen on the war room sometimes. | ||
| So whether he has a contract or not, I consider him an employee, even though my terminology might be a little imprecise. | ||
| He's in the orbit. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| National File had planned to hold an event at a smaller auditorium, but when Alex heard about this, he insisted they rent out the Omni, a much larger venue befitting of a star of his caliber. | ||
| Alex has suggested that he paid as much as $20,000 to rent the bigger room because with a roster like Gavin, Alex, and Nick Fuentes, you're going to draw a crowd. | ||
| As it turns out, they did not. | ||
| The video of the summit begins with a wide shot, with Rob Dew on stage giving the audience an introduction. | ||
| You can see 12 people in the crowd. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| Compared to at least 40 empty chairs. | ||
| I should say, in the interest of full honesty, that one of the chairs has someone's coat over the back of it. | ||
| So that might be audience member 13. Or it might be the coat of the guy in the chair next to it. | ||
| I don't know. | ||
| I'm not entirely sure. | ||
| It's unclear. | ||
| It was the end of a very bad first date. | ||
| That's for sure. | ||
| This is a depressing turnout. | ||
| I mean, there's no way around how sad this is. | ||
| And if you look at the video at the end of the event, where we get another wide shot, it doesn't look like many more people showed up over the course of the summit. | ||
| I was ever really able to count in any wide shot was about 34. But granted, the shot itself doesn't show the entire room, but it does show the first 10 rows. | ||
| No! | ||
| When I ran an open mic out of the back of a Mexican restaurant, that would have been a great turnout. | ||
| I would have killed for 34 people. | ||
| That is exactly a thought that I had. | ||
| I don't want to be a dick about it. | ||
| If I were a showcase producer doing stand-up stuff, I would love that. | ||
| That would feel pretty good. | ||
| I would leave the show wishing it had been packed, but I would take it in stride. | ||
| Like, hey, you can't win them all. | ||
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Great. | |
| It's a good turnout. | ||
| Because you've got to be reasonable about these things. | ||
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Sure. | |
| But here's the thing. | ||
| Alex's brand is not reasonable. | ||
| No, that's not how it goes. | ||
| He's supposed to be the most popular talk show host in the world, and everyone would know that he's the most popular if the media would stop lying about him and pretending that he's not. | ||
| Exactly. | ||
| A live event like this has to be packed. | ||
| Any empty seat, let alone 40 or more of them in the front rows, that's a damning refutation of the image he presents of himself. | ||
| There may have been a few more people than the folks I'm able to count in the video, but I also heard from an inside source, according to a person who was there in the room, that there was never more than 100 people in the crowd. | ||
| I've performed at independent comedy shows that have been better attended, and my friend... | ||
| I was not a successful comic. | ||
| There's a lot going on in the world. | ||
| I'm pretty sure that Alex has some pretty horrible takes on the coronavirus developments and the situation in Syria and the Democratic primary. | ||
| But since he's been out of the studio, we have to wait to Wednesday to check up on any of that stuff. | ||
| Today, we're going to walk through this three-hour-long emergency free speech summit that Alex put on, desperately trying to beg for Trump's attention. | ||
| I don't want to prejudice you or the audience, but I have to say that watching this was one of the most frustrating experiences I've ever had preparing for this show. | ||
| This summit was so poorly run that it caused me to yell, who's in charge here? | ||
| Way more than once. | ||
| As a person who used to produce live stand-up shows, there were just so many very basic mistakes that Alex and his friends made that just made it clear that no one was trying and no one knows what they're doing. | ||
| It's infuriating to watch, but I kept my wits about me, and I'm glad I did, because this summit has a pretty amazing narrative arc to it. | ||
| It has almost nothing to do with the free speech and First Amendment that they're supposedly there for. | ||
| They're not fans of it, actually. | ||
| But there is a rich psychodrama going on that I think actually has pretty important implications for the InfoWars universe. | ||
| Okay. | ||
| And we'll get into that over the course of this six-hour episode that we're sitting down to. | ||
| Oh, man. | ||
| Oh, we're about to embark. | ||
| I believe the word count in my notes is 16,000. | ||
| Ah, Jesus! | ||
| Why not just read a novella straight to the crowd? | ||
| Why don't you react to my novella? | ||
| Okay, alright. | ||
| So, like I said, the first shot that you have is Rob Du on stage. | ||
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Yes. | |
| And he, I guess, I mean, if you're in the audience or if you're watching this, you're like, okay, Rob Du's the host of the event. | ||
| You'd be wrong in that. | ||
| Of course. | ||
| But Rob Du does welcome the crowd, kind of. | ||
| And here's how he does his... | ||
| He's rambling. | ||
| He has a rambly intro. | ||
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There's plenty of other things. | |
| I like the Federal Reserve isn't federal. | ||
| Nice. | ||
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Some of you guys might know some of this stuff. | |
| Some of you might not. | ||
| Quick show of hands. | ||
| How many people are here to see Alex Jones? | ||
| All right. | ||
| Everybody. | ||
| Good. | ||
| All right. | ||
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Well, he will be down here in just a second. | |
| He wanted to kick off this event, and then he's also headlining at the end. | ||
| As people are filing in, eating, we'll see how this, hopefully this will be a packed room at the end of the night and we'll have lots of rousing applause and screaming and a lot of free speech. | ||
| Does anybody have a word that they don't want to hear tonight? | ||
| Anybody? | ||
| Shout it out real quick. | ||
| Dangerous game. | ||
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Okay, good. | |
| We don't want to trigger anybody. | ||
| Just kidding. | ||
| Actually, we do. | ||
| There's some triggering going on tonight. | ||
| You guys are killing it. | ||
| You guys are killing it. | ||
| This doesn't work with a lackadaisical thin crowd. | ||
| This sort of like, yeah, we do want to be edgy. | ||
| Also, by the way, if you're Rob Dew, yelling out, like, what words don't you want to hear? | ||
| That's a... | ||
| Recipe for someone to yell the N-word. | ||
| Yeah, pretty much. | ||
| Except, no, no, not there. | ||
| They're not going to yell the N-word out. | ||
| Because then you're saying the words they don't want to hear, Dan. | ||
| Oh, that's a good point. | ||
| You see what I'm saying? | ||
| None of them are going to yell that out because they're like, we'll be fine with it. | ||
| But I'm not entirely sure that this audience would have thought that through. | ||
| I think that it basically is heard as an invitation to say offensive words. | ||
| Right, right, right, right. | ||
| It does seem like that. | ||
| Yeah, from an audience perspective, if you're like... | ||
| Chomping at the bit to heckle. | ||
| That's your call. | ||
| Somebody's out there screaming, college degrees! | ||
| I don't want to hear that out here. | ||
| So the sense that I got is that Rob recognizes that the audience is thin and maybe more people are coming. | ||
| As we've experienced at every single independently run comedy show ever, it's like, oh yeah, I got some friends that are on the way. | ||
| We're going to push for 10 minutes. | ||
| We're going to push this back. | ||
| I know the start time was 8, but it's 8.25 now. | ||
| We're going to get started. | ||
| I'm joking around and it sounds mean, but I've done that myself a hundred times running shows. | ||
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Absolutely. | |
| Look, we'll give it five. | ||
| We'll give it five. | ||
| Absolutely. | ||
| It's a technique you do when you're disappointed at the turnout. | ||
| And so Rob is trying to vamp because I think that Alex also doesn't want to get up on stage in front of this light crowd. | ||
| No. | ||
| And so this is just... | ||
| From the jump, this is embarrassing. | ||
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But let's see. | |
| I was waiting for Alex to come here. | ||
| What else is in the news? | ||
| What else is in the news? | ||
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Playing for time. | |
| So I'm going to go to... | ||
| Oh, by the way, if you don't... | ||
| I'm on Twitter a lot. | ||
| They haven't suspended me off there yet. | ||
| And my Twitter is at DewsNews. | ||
| D-E-W-S-N-E-W-Z. | ||
| It is not. | ||
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I'm going to look through here to see what... | |
| Oh, this was interesting today. | ||
| Rob Blagojevich. | ||
| Let me read this tweet. | ||
| Are we really doing this? | ||
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I'm a little tipsy, so I can tell you this. | |
| There's a reason Barack Obama was so passionate about the 2015 Supreme Court ruling on gay marriage. | ||
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He has slept with numerous men. | |
| Sorry, Barry. | ||
| Had to. | ||
| So, Rob Blagojevich, I think, thought he was going to get a pardon from Barack Obama, and he didn't. | ||
| Whoa. | ||
| The first thing that's important to point out here is that this is an emergency First Amendment summit, where the whole point is that all these conservatives are being taken off social media, and the first person to take the podium is literally Alex Jones' longest-running employee and news director, who decides to make it clear while stretching out before Alex shows up that he's actually still on Twitter. | ||
| Absolutely. | ||
| That kind of invalidates the whole argument. | ||
| It might be something you'd rather not call attention to, because it raises the question in a listener's mind, what has Alex done that Rob Dew hasn't? | ||
| That is a good question. | ||
| The fact that Rob Dew is still on Twitter, as is Owen Schroer, should be compelling evidence that maybe people who've been kicked off were kicked off for a reason. | ||
| No, no, no, it's because they're conservatives. | ||
| They just don't know about Dew yet. | ||
| Maybe not. | ||
| Also, that tweet Rob is reading is supposedly from Rod Blagojevich, which Rob Dew is using as a basis to argue that Blago was expecting a pardon from Obama, which he did not get, so now he's taking to Twitter to tell the world that Obama's gay. | ||
| I hate to ruin Rob Do's party, but this tweet is from an account called atgovbloggo, whose bio is literally, quote, not the real bloggo. | ||
| Parody account. | ||
| Says who? | ||
| Says the guy who runs the account. | ||
| Nah, you can't trust him. | ||
| That's exactly what Bloggo would do, Dan. | ||
| This account is a person who's trying to sell Bloggo t-shirts. | ||
| And one of the strategies they've clearly been using is to post inflammatory jokes about Bloggo being set up and a bunch of tweets about booze. | ||
| One tweet from February 27th was just, quote, there's drunk and then there's Bloggo drunk. | ||
| And right now, I'm at the level of Bloggo drunk. | ||
| Party! | ||
| This was followed up by a tweet a little bit later saying, quote, I'm so drunk I could twerk on the bar. | ||
| I do my best work at this level. | ||
| How dare you humanize that monster? | ||
| Like I said, though, this account is clearly also employing some parody that's a little bit subtler, like this tweet. | ||
| Quote, Theory. | ||
| The Chinese didn't like these tariffs, so how do they get rid of them? | ||
| Get rid of Trump. | ||
| How do you get rid of Trump? | ||
| Create a virus that'll turn into a worldwide plague and cause the American economy to suffer. | ||
| You think the coronavirus is an accident? | ||
| Blago doesn't. | ||
| On one level, Rob Do thinks this is actually Blagojevich's Twitter because he's an idiot and he never checks any information before accepting it and repeating it. | ||
| But on a deeper level, he automatically accepts the tweet as real because it conforms to what he wants to believe. | ||
| And I can't put it more simply than this. | ||
| A parody account is indistinguishable from what Rob Do really thinks. | ||
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Yes. | |
| That's bad. | ||
| Do you know what I would say to that? | ||
| We just figured out Do's news. | ||
| I got some news about Do's. | ||
| Consider for a moment that Rob Dude just told this crowd at a free speech rally that he's still on Twitter and that he got fooled by a Rob Blagojevich parody account that says, quote, parody account in its bio, and he's worked for Alex for over a decade. | ||
| When you go to InfoWars, you show up dumb, and you certainly don't get sharper based on the experience. | ||
| Yeah, I hope never to be beyond parody. | ||
| I would prefer to say parodyable. | ||
| That would be nice. | ||
| So Rob vamps a bit, and it doesn't get much better than a fake bloggo tweet. | ||
| Nah, as a host, I'll tell him he's not doing a good job. | ||
| But now it's time to get Alex on stage. | ||
| Alright, here we go. | ||
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Give you a warm welcome for Alex Jones. | |
| Well, there's a big old traffic jam from CPAC over here, but we appreciate all you that got here early, so we're going to start pretty much on time here tonight. | ||
| We've got a big, long list of great speakers coming up, like Gavin McGinnis, Owen Schroyer, Nick Foyntes, and so many more, Lee Stranahan. | ||
| I'm going to be speaking. | ||
| Deanna Lorraine's going to be speaking. | ||
| She's amazing. | ||
| And Gavin McGinnis comes up right before I do, and then we're going to have Q&A later, and there's a big traffic snarl. | ||
| But we're not going to start this too late. | ||
| We're going to go ahead and start this right now and get folks here. | ||
| I've seen this move a hundred times at poorly run comedy shows. | ||
| The crowd is thin, so they push back the start time. | ||
| That doesn't help, so the host gets up and makes an excuse like bad traffic or maybe it looks like it might rain or something. | ||
| The host does what they can to make the people who are there feel special, like Alex is doing. | ||
| I appreciate you showing up. | ||
| You're the ones who get it. | ||
| And the show can start. | ||
| Hey, everybody here isn't watching that Bears game, right, everybody? | ||
| We're gonna have a good time! | ||
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Yeah! | |
| Woo! | ||
| Also, Rob was very explicit that Alex was the headliner, and here we have Alex reaffirming that. | ||
| Gavin is the feature act of this way, way too long showcase, and then Alex is bringing it home before a pointless Q&A session. | ||
| Good to know. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| That's the established setup of the night. | ||
| We'll see what happens. | ||
| So, we end up getting into Alex's... | ||
| Introductory piece. | ||
| Okay. | ||
| It's meandering. | ||
| Is he going to do a racist accent? | ||
| No, but he kind of does a Yakov bit. | ||
| Okay. | ||
| A Yakov-Smirnov bit. | ||
| Okay. | ||
| So, yes, we're in digital media, and I reach over 300,000 people every segment as rated on just commercial radio. | ||
| The globalists thought they'd try to take me off Facebook, Twitter, YouTube. | ||
| They didn't realize I was still in over 200 radio stations and over 100 TV stations because that's their arrogance. | ||
| They jumped the gun. | ||
| They abuse the power of big tech. | ||
| In the old days, UHF, VHF TV, you watch television, it didn't watch you. | ||
| Very close. | ||
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Wow. | |
| Very close to a Yakov. | ||
| Wow. | ||
| Oh, boy. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| In my country. | ||
| Uh-huh. | ||
| So it seems like a bit of this is bragging about his reach, which is great. | ||
| I thought it was about that wonderful Weird Al Yankovic movie. | ||
| Nope. | ||
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Oh, okay. | |
| So that is in opposition to the reality that's in front of him. | ||
| He's drawn a very minuscule crowd compared to the millions and millions of people who listen to him. | ||
| Conservatively, what, is it a tenth of the world population listens to him? | ||
| Pretty much, yeah. | ||
| Every world leader listens every day, so that's tough. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| And you can tell that Alex is not thrilled with his turnout. | ||
| Like, you can see the self-consciousness. | ||
| So the fact that out of billions of people served in Infowars... | ||
| The fact that in the middle of a D.C. traffic jam and rainy streets and with two days announcing this, that one person or a hundred people or a thousand people show up is an act of defiance against the tyrants and is a beautiful thing. | ||
| That's a rationalization. | ||
| Oh, boy. | ||
| That's all that is. | ||
| So, in this next clip, Alex teases the theme. | ||
| Of his headlining speech. | ||
| Sure. | ||
| When I get back up here, here's what we're going to talk about. | ||
| I've got a plan. | ||
| I've got a stack of papers out there on my desk. | ||
| Then we're going to get to calls after the end. | ||
| This is literally, we're going to get to calls after the end. | ||
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The Q&A is basically the calls. | |
| I think that you've maybe brilliantly deduced that this might turn into an episode of the Alex Jones show at a certain point. | ||
| So, Alex teases the theme of his big headlining speech. | ||
| It involves smoking gun proof of something. | ||
| And here we go. | ||
| Now, coming up in about two hours when I give my 20-minute speech, I'm going to get into the smoking gun evidence of governmental funding of censorship. | ||
| Of the American people and the blueprint, they believe, to have us not stand up for each other where they pick off one person here, one person there, and by the time they get to you, there's nobody to stand up for you. | ||
| Now, that's really a common sense thing we know in history. | ||
| It happens, but it's happening again right now. | ||
| And we have a real chance to say no to this. | ||
| So, again, Alex is trying to get this sparse audience excited for his headlining speech. | ||
| It seems like the theme he's going for is basically the first they came for poem. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| That was a poem written by the Lutheran pastor Martin Niemöller in the form of a confession, expressing guilt for not doing more in the lead up to the Holocaust because he thought it wasn't his problem. | ||
| It's very clear that what Alex is doing is he's hoping to evoke that here, but I'm very convinced he will never, ever, ever Actually quote that poem. | ||
| And that's because the first line is, quote, first they came for the socialists, and I did not speak out because I was not a socialist. | ||
| Alex wants to co-opt the ever-resonant themes of this poem, but he'll never talk about what the poem actually says because, well, he's kind of invested in the enterprise of coming for the socialists. | ||
| The next stanza is about coming for the trade unionists, which again, Alex would be on the side actively opposing the unions. | ||
| Well, yeah. | ||
| He wants to evoke the imagery and the feeling of that poem, but not the specifics of it, which is fine, I guess. | ||
| Well, what you don't understand is that the poem and the poet was dumb because Alex just summed up the whole poem with just like, you know, if you don't stand up for somebody, nobody's going to stand up for you. | ||
| See how simple it is? | ||
| He's the real poet here. | ||
| Sure. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| So speaking of poets. | ||
| You can take classes in poetry. | ||
| Yes, I have. | ||
| And if you do, you'll get a grade. | ||
| It's true. | ||
| That was a long walk for me. | ||
| Okay. | ||
| In this next clip, Alex starts rambling about giving Trump a grade for his performance as the president. | ||
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Great transition. | |
| And I think he ends up saying some things that are ill-advised. | ||
| These are not good things to say about someone who you're trying to present as good. | ||
| But my main mission tonight was to simply point out that President Trump is very transactional. | ||
| Not good. | ||
| If he doesn't think you have something to bring to the table, President Trump is not going to deal with you. | ||
| That's a psychopath. | ||
| That makes sense in business. | ||
| And he believes in America, and he's promoting our country, and he's standing up at the Chi-Coms. | ||
| I'll give him an A- report card. | ||
| So this might not be the best way to characterize your hero, President. | ||
| Like, I don't think anyone should be supporting an elected official who's transactional, particularly when it comes to matters of public interest. | ||
| I have no idea how Alex can get in front of this thin crowd and tell them that Trump doesn't deal with you unless you have something to offer him and expect that to sound good. | ||
| It sounds insanely corrupt, like blatant corruption, to the point where even Alex is trying to make it sound good. | ||
| It sounds like a mob guy. | ||
| Hey, hey, listen, all of you 20 people here who totally have a ton of money... | ||
| Trump is willing to deal with you if you guys don't have anything to value. | ||
| I'm not positive that it's a well-to-do crowd. | ||
| I have no idea. | ||
| I can't really suss that out from the video. | ||
| Then I'm starting to think by Alex's own definition, Trump does not have any interest in them. | ||
| No, probably not. | ||
| But I guess that's why he gets an A-. | ||
| Okay, fair enough. | ||
| So Alex gets into the grading issues here a little bit more. | ||
| So I'll give him an A- report card. | ||
| Because when it comes to standing up for free speech and standing up against big tech cartels, combining forces to censor populists and patriots and gun groups and veteran groups and Christian organizations and pro-life groups, President Trump gets an F-. | ||
| See, that is A-plus total. | ||
| It takes it down to an A-minus because in that way, standing up for the First Amendment, President Trump has an F. I'm not sure how Alex is wading grades here, but I didn't realize that he puts so little priority on free speech stuff. | ||
| Like, he literally yells about it all the time, and so many of his completely manufactured complaints about the left have to do with fake free speech grievances, like the Purple Penguins affair. | ||
| So I would have really considered him to be a free speech absolutist. | ||
| Like, his fucking company is called Free Speech Systems. | ||
| Based on every indication I get about what he pretends his positions are, if a president gets an F- on free speech issues, it should be impossible for their whole grade to be A-. | ||
| Dan, Dan, Bill of Rights. | ||
| Ten amendments. | ||
| Guess what? | ||
| You fuck up on one amendment, you still got a 90% Dan? | ||
| It makes perfect sense. | ||
| You're wrong. | ||
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Okay. | |
| Grades, they're a system that follows certain rules. | ||
| They aren't arbitrary. | ||
| There's a method for averaging out grades or creating a grade point average. | ||
| If you're taking four college courses and you have A's in three of them and an F in one, that'll give you a B average or a 3.0. | ||
| An A- is a 3.7 GPA. | ||
| And you need to be taking 14 classes before an F could be absorbed and leave you with an A- average. | ||
| And that's only if all those classes are weighted exactly the same. | ||
| There's no sane world where Alex could give Trump an F- on free speech and his average grade is still A-. | ||
| This, like so many other things, is just Alex talking shit. | ||
| He doesn't really care about free speech, because if he did, it would probably be at least a thing where it bumps Trump's grade down to a B. Okay, let's do it this way. | ||
| Let's go better than this way, alright? | ||
| Let's weight the averages here. | ||
| Trump has two jobs, two important amendments. | ||
| First... | ||
| He's doing great on gun rights, so he has 92%. | ||
| I'm not positive that's even the case, though. | ||
| First Amendment? | ||
| Only, look, he's docked eight points. | ||
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No big deal. | |
| You know, Alex has talked about it a bunch. | ||
| Trump has indicated, like, inclinations toward red flag laws. | ||
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Okay. | |
| So I don't know if he is doing that great on that one. | ||
| All right. | ||
| So maybe the guy who promised us everything has delivered on fuck all and has made himself a lot of money in the process. | ||
| That's why he's the greatest president in the history of the world, Dan. | ||
| I think that this A- is just a strong indication that Alex realizes, like, I can't... | ||
| Say even B +, because Trump would take that as an insult and maybe it would hurt my chances of getting his attention. | ||
| Wow. | ||
| It's very cowardly. | ||
| This is sad. | ||
| I told you. | ||
| Very weird. | ||
| This is bad. | ||
| So Alex spends a good portion of his introductory set talking about how Julian Assange needs to be pardoned. | ||
| Sure. | ||
| And this seems to be one of the only things that really enlivens the crowd. | ||
| President Trump signed on that metaphysical dotted line and said as candidate Trump months before the election, Julian Assange, if you have him, release him. | ||
| And Julian Assange wasn't a wimp. | ||
| Julian Assange pulled the trigger! | ||
| And he released the criminal activities of the deep state wanting to cause race wars and bio wars and collapses and pure evil. | ||
| And he did a hero's work. | ||
| And instead of being carried down... | ||
| Main Street in New York City in a ticker tape parade for delivering the shot down the Death Star reactor shaft. | ||
| Julian Assange has spent years and years and years and years in solitary confinement where he's a gibbering person that can't even hardly talk at these hearings and President Trump sits there on the sidelines. | ||
| God has protected President Trump because he's honorable and cares about America and has strength. | ||
| But in the final equation, if he doesn't get Julian Assange out of prison and continues along with this fake extradition, then President Trump has joined all those cowardly globalists in the swamp and makes me want to throw up. | ||
| Does that mean I'm going to support Hillary? | ||
| We know she's getting ready to broker convention. | ||
| Hell no! | ||
| But still, it takes a great record that President Trump's engaged in and absolutely tarnishes it. | ||
| And that's what we're talking about. | ||
| And then you take Roger Stone. | ||
| So, if you follow that, he's saying that Julian Assange and Trump made a spiritual contract when Trump said, release these hacked emails. | ||
| Then Trump didn't follow through by pardoning Assange or giving him clemency or whatever the case would be. | ||
| And so now Julian Assange is a gibbering person who can't talk. | ||
| And if Trump doesn't pardon Assange, that'll make Alex want to throw up, but he'll still support him. | ||
| Yeah, of course. | ||
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Yeah. | |
| I will... | ||
| Look, okay. | ||
| So, you're right. | ||
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You're right. | |
| This is my line in the sand, but also I will still support you no matter what you do. | ||
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Sure. | |
| I said yes that you couldn't shit in your hand and then smear it on my face. | ||
| That was my last straw. | ||
| But I swear to you, if you do it one more time, that will be my... | ||
| Do not. | ||
| All right. | ||
| We're starting over. | ||
| You put it in my face again. | ||
| We're going to do this one more time. | ||
| Look, I don't... | ||
| Line in the sand. | ||
| I don't like you putting shit in my face, but what am I supposed to do? | ||
| Support Hillary Clinton? | ||
| Alright, well, she's still not running, so you can try anyone else. | ||
| She's starting a podcast. | ||
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I have no backbone. | |
| But I'm emphatic about it. | ||
| That seems to be the message. | ||
| That seems to be the Republican Party. | ||
| So Alex gets up... | ||
| A lot of this is petty grievance talk. | ||
| A lot of, like, I've been wronged. | ||
| So this is an episode of InfoWars. | ||
| But it's good when I've been wronged, because it tells me that I'm on the right track. | ||
| That mentality is going to be... | ||
| It's ubiquitous throughout these speakers. | ||
| But here is one of the first points where I'm like, this is not going well. | ||
| I mean, when Alex gets up and just rants the way he does all the time, it's like, well, he says stupid things, but this is exactly what you expect. | ||
| This is what you paid for. | ||
| This is where I think things start to fall apart. | ||
| I turn towards that attack. | ||
| And I'll put my head down and go into it because that is where the daggers of truth will go into their livers and their hearts and their kidneys and their spine. | ||
| It's in that place of their fear when they attack me that I know I've been given the guidance of where to strike. | ||
| And so instead of being cowards and slaves, I say we fight and we take action now today. | ||
| Let's go ahead and bring up Tom Papert of National File to put on this great event. | ||
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Ooh. | |
| So I don't think that Tom Papert knew exactly when Alex was going to be wrapping up this little ranty intro because Alex just, you know, he's in the middle of yelling about how he knows where to attack when he gets attacked. | ||
| Then on a dime, he turns to introing Tom. | ||
| Then Alex just bails from the stage, not waiting for Tom to get up on stage. | ||
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Oh, no. | |
| Oh, crucial mistake. | ||
| A lot of open mic etiquette being broken here. | ||
| Like, if you're introing someone, you wait on stage for them to come up. | ||
| You shake their hand and ceremonially give them the stage. | ||
| This seems like a little thing, but it's an important gesture that the audience definitely subconsciously notices. | ||
| Alex, by virtue of being the biggest star in the building, and most of the people there's boss, has a position of authority. | ||
| By leaving without greeting Tom on stage, he's sending a message of disrespect, kind of like, I've done my part, good luck, kid. | ||
| It's very rude, and it lends the whole show an air of disunity, like the speakers aren't really in this together. | ||
| If your goal is to have a successful performance, there are little things like this that you need to be mindful of. | ||
| And it's just wild to think that Alex has been in some form of show business or performance art for over 20 years, and he doesn't seem to know those things. | ||
| Yeah, absolutely. | ||
| It's basic. | ||
| Now, another thing that happens when you surprise introduce somebody, then just leave the stage, is that you completely sandbag them. | ||
| The audience is trained to applaud for ends of performances and introductions, so when, you know, you wrap up an intro to the next person, but they take a while to get on stage, the applause will be clapped out by the time they get to the podium. | ||
| Instead of being able to ride in on a wave of applause and support, you're now faced with dying enthusiasm as you begin your presentation, which puts you in an uphill battle. | ||
| Instead of just getting going, you're now kind of in a position where you have to win the crowd over, which we'll see Tom tries to do. | ||
| Let's go ahead and listen to that here. | ||
| Alright. | ||
| It's a little bit difficult to follow up on Alex Jones, as you might imagine. | ||
| But Alex is going to be speaking again later tonight. | ||
| We've got a bunch of great speakers coming up. | ||
| See, you try and save it with the, it's hard to follow Alex Jones, thinking that'll be like, ah, it is. | ||
| But that's a bad piece of business. | ||
| And unless you follow it up with something like a humorous anecdote about Alex, it's only going to signal further weakness and prove to the audience that you're not in control of the situation. | ||
| You're giving a cop-out for why I'm not going to be entertaining. | ||
| It's hard to follow Alex. | ||
| It is fascinating how much of our... | ||
| Creating those little moments that will turn just an event into a fucking show, into the illusion of an actual show. | ||
| Like, those tiny little moments can change everything. | ||
| Yeah, absolutely. | ||
| And all of our experience running these shows is very applicable to how poorly they're doing. | ||
| They don't understand any of these little things. | ||
| No, it's terrible. | ||
| And simply put, Tom Pappert is fucked before he even gets on stage. | ||
| And part of it is specifically because Alex is a selfish prick. | ||
| Who doesn't understand those little things about presentation and how to be magnanimous, be sort of giving with the space. | ||
| It's unfortunate because you could transform something from being like, well, good luck to whoever comes up next to being like, we're all in this. | ||
| You know, give a cohesive feel to it. | ||
| There are people who have the talent and experience necessary to take that awful ending, sacrifice their set, turn into the host, and then make the show a much better show from there. | ||
| It takes chops. | ||
| Tom Pepperd is not that guy. | ||
| No. | ||
| And Alex doesn't do him any favors as he, you know, goes on. | ||
| Some people, like Alex Jones here, has a track record better than the U.S. government, the New York Times. | ||
| And yet they still get kicked off. | ||
| It happens each and every day. | ||
| It's a big part of what National File is about. | ||
| But we're still here in defiance of that! | ||
| That's right, Alex. | ||
| So, I can't top Alex Jones. | ||
| Who can? | ||
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Oh, stop that. | |
| That's in for Papatine. | ||
| Papatine? | ||
| It's too much fun. | ||
| Alex put Tom in a bad situation when he introduced him, and predictably Tom is not getting much juice going from the audience. | ||
| But to be fair, his role is mostly to be the guy from National File to introduce the speakers and plug Alex's website because Alex paid for the event. | ||
| So he doesn't really need that much reaction from the crowd. | ||
| But consider this. | ||
| There have been three people on stage so far, and all three of them have in theory been introducing the show as a host. | ||
| Rob Dew is there to vamp, and I guess... | ||
| You know, be like, hey, there's not many people here, let's kill some time, and then bring up Alex. | ||
| Alex is headlining, but you can't have an Alex Jones event without him showing up to say hello. | ||
| And now, Tom Papert is there doing the actual start of the speaker's block as the head of National File. | ||
| If I'm in the audience, this is already a disorienting level of disorganization from a production standpoint. | ||
| Even if I didn't hate Alex, I would find this very unimpressive, and probably not think that this is going to be a show that has much value. | ||
| I don't know what's going on. | ||
| I don't know who's supposed to be the guide through this. | ||
| Who's going to come up after the next speaker? | ||
| What's going on? | ||
| Are they going to shotgun it? | ||
| I have loved Alex for 20 years, and I have always imagined him to be competent, and this is really bad! | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| And you can see Alex reinforce this feeling that you'd have of distrust for the capability of the person on stage when he yells shit out while Tom is trying to get through his speech. | ||
| Yeah, the headliner probably shouldn't heckle. | ||
| Just saying. | ||
| By Alex interrupting him, he's subconsciously telling the audience that this guy on stage isn't worth listening to. | ||
| His value as a speaker is so low that you can just yell things out whenever you feel like it. | ||
| It's very, very disrespectful. | ||
| And it cements in everyone's mind that whatever they're claiming this event is about, it's actually about Alex. | ||
| What words do you want to hear? | ||
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No! | |
| Yeah. | ||
| Oh, boy. | ||
| So, that's not great. | ||
| But to be fair, like I said, Tom Pepper, in terms of this show and what it is... | ||
| He can stand to take a bullet. | ||
| It's not going to be a make or break thing, but it does give the entire proceeding the appearance of just sloppy shit. | ||
| He was going to do the thing in a fucking bar back room, and now he's in this place. | ||
| It would have been much more fitting. | ||
| Yeah, suck it up, and if Alex gets to be the star of the show, take one on the chin. | ||
| And you can constantly, whenever Alex upstages you and humiliates you, you can be like, haha, Alex is too much fun. | ||
| Yeah, and it doesn't look bad on you. | ||
| Not really. | ||
| I mean, it looks incompetent, but it doesn't really look that bad. | ||
| Yeah, exactly. | ||
| So he brings up the first speaker official of the day, and it's a guy named Patrick Howley who works for National File. | ||
| And this guy fancies himself a comedian. | ||
| Oh, no. | ||
| And Hillary Clinton has really been on the forefront of this. | ||
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And when she went after one of my heroes, Alex Jones, I didn't care for that very much. | |
| And it makes me wonder, man, who pissed in their adrenochrome? | ||
| I'll tell you, they're drinking something, those elites. | ||
| Did you see Harvey Weinstein can walk again? | ||
| Oh, hell yeah, man. | ||
| Oh, God, we're doing Weinstein bits. | ||
| This reporter for National File is coming out swinging with some of that hot adrenochrome humor. | ||
| The joke is a little muddy, though, because I think he's trying to poke fun at the idea that people like Hillary Clinton drink children's blood, but he's also speaking at an event put on by Alex Jones, who definitely thinks people like Hillary drink children's blood. | ||
| Alex talks about that quite a bit. | ||
| It's a central theme. | ||
| The joke's point is muddy. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| That's why it gets groans from the audience. | ||
| So is the joke that somebody did put something in her adrenaline? | ||
| Someone peed in her adrenaline? | ||
| Yeah, yeah, yeah. | ||
| I don't know. | ||
| Man, that's not good. | ||
| That's like going to a Chicago open mic ever. | ||
| Yeah, it is open mic level shit. | ||
| It's not good. | ||
| Did you hear in the news? | ||
| I don't know what Adrenochrome Weinstein was drinking, but he can walk! | ||
| Anyway, this is Patrick Howley. | ||
| He's introduced as a writer for National File, but mysteriously absent from his intro is that he formerly worked at Breitbart and Daily Caller, and he founded the absurdly far-right blog Big League Politics, and is actually still the editor-in-chief of it. | ||
| In February 2018, the Daily Beast reported that big league politics had been bought by a company called Mustard Seed Media, which happens to be owned by a political consultant named Riley O 'Neill, who had just finished up failing to get noted monster and alleged pedophile Roy Moore elected in Alabama. | ||
| So, cool. | ||
| That political consultant, with great integrity when it comes to choosing clients, is now Patrick Howley's boss. | ||
| Also, I should point out that this financial arrangement is really shady, considering the fact that the guy who owns Mustard Seed is still an active political consultant, and he's being paid by candidates and politicians who are covered on big league politics. | ||
| Riley O 'Neill runs a consulting firm called Tidewater Strategies, along with another right-wing consultant, Noel Fritsch. | ||
| That Daily Beast article points out that multiple politicians who have paid O 'Neill and Fritch also get shockingly positive coverage of big league politics, like overt white nationalist Paul Nealon and former Virginia gubernatorial candidate Corey Stewart. | ||
| And this seems like a pattern with these guys. | ||
| I'll just read to you here from the end of this Daily Beast article. | ||
| Big League politics isn't O 'Neill's first foray into the political news business, and at least one other media property he controls has promoted his consulting firm's clients. | ||
| First in Freedom Daily, a North Carolina-centric conservative news site owned by Mustard Seed Media, has promoted political efforts by two of O 'Neill's clients, North State Leadership Council and North Carolina Gun Rights. | ||
| Stories promoting both of those groups were written by Spencer Hardison, who works for Tidewater, the consulting group. | ||
| Hardison began contributing to big league politics this month. | ||
| This is all super shady shit, and anyone interested at all in any kind of journalistic integrity would absolutely never have their right-wing propaganda blog be owned by active GOP political consultants. | ||
| Yeah, that's probably unethical. | ||
| I'll say that. | ||
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It's a parody level of corrupt appearances. | |
| I'll say that might be unethical, yeah. | ||
| But what frustrates me most is apparently he has some sort of syllabic meter requirements for his names. | ||
| Mustard seed media, big league politics, it's all got the same meter to it! | ||
| It's infuriating! | ||
| So beyond being a dumb-dumb... | ||
| I expect corruption. | ||
| Beyond being a dumb-dumb and a sellout, I'm not particularly interested in Patrick Howley. | ||
| He's very boring and not funny. | ||
| As evidenced by the groans, he got for that adrenochrome joke, and so we're not going to listen to anything more than him. | ||
| Now, when Patrick gets done with his speech, he introduces the next speaker. | ||
| So they're shotgun hosting it? | ||
| Apparently. | ||
| Okay. | ||
| Did anybody say that? | ||
| They don't have another host come up. | ||
| Patrick just brings Millie Weaver to stage. | ||
| She's speaking next. | ||
| Who's got the chops and experience to really bring this whole thing together? | ||
| Holy shit! | ||
| She's got the goods! | ||
| She's got it! | ||
| Rainbow Snatch coming in to save the day! | ||
| Here Millie talks about how Alex Jones woke her up. | ||
| So how did I get woken up? | ||
| Who woke me up? | ||
| Who? | ||
| This man sitting here in this room, Alex Jones. | ||
| Alex Jones is what started my trajectory into media. | ||
| And ever since then, I have been working hard to expose the truth and get the truth out there. | ||
| So, Millie Weaver speaking next in her speech. | ||
| It starts by talking about how Democrats and liberals are just dumb people who don't know the truth yet. | ||
| She knows this firsthand because she used to be one. | ||
| And then, as you heard, she gives Alex credit for waking her up, and now she's smart. | ||
| This is particularly funny because I'm old enough to remember when Millie Weaver tweeted out, quote, Dear libtards who think Facebook is a privately owned business, there's a thing called fact-checking. | ||
| Facebook is a public business that's publicly traded. | ||
| Using that argument to justify banning Alex Jones doesn't work. | ||
| She got us. | ||
| Nailed it. | ||
| She was woken up to the smartest truth there is. | ||
| It's so awesome when these dum-dums get so convinced that they're right about something that they shoot off some completely inaccurate thing while chastising people to fact check. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| It's great. | ||
| Dunning-Kruger were like, it'll never get this far. | ||
| Like, it's bad. | ||
| Millie can say that Alex woke her up to reality all she wants, but I would propose that a different phenomenon is at work here. | ||
| And that is that Alex provided her with a lucrative outlet where she could be marginally famous and there was absolutely no hard work or accountability required. | ||
| That might feel like waking up to you, but it's not. | ||
| It's called copping out. | ||
| I steadfastly refuse to take anyone saying that Alex Jones woke them up seriously. | ||
| When it's just a normal, everyday person saying it, I think it sounds a little more reasonable because Alex can be persuasive and the simplicity of his worldview is seductive. | ||
| You can experience that as waking up, but that's not really what it is. | ||
| It's more just being indoctrinated into a bad thinking pattern. | ||
| Yeah, cult leaders can make you believe just about anything. | ||
| One of the reasons is that that bad thinking pattern is satisfying. | ||
| It's very easy and it feels good. | ||
| Mostly because it allows you to imagine that all the other people in the world are blind to the obvious reality that you've woken up to. | ||
| And nothing is your fault. | ||
| No. | ||
| Ever. | ||
| It's intellectual junk food. | ||
| Just empty calories. | ||
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Yep. | |
| For someone like Millie, however, when I hear her say that Alex woke her up, there's absolutely zero chance that she isn't full of shit. | ||
| I just refuse to believe that anyone could work at InfoWars and be paying attention at all to what's said on the network without realizing that Alex is just making up most of it and basically nothing is real. | ||
| The only way you can maintain respect for Alex working there is to have no principles or to basically just be sleepwalking through life and not paying attention to anything he says. | ||
| Which I would say is the opposite of being woken up. | ||
| Yeah, that's like being put back to sleep, isn't it? | ||
| Rocked like a little baby. | ||
| Yeah, yeah, yeah. | ||
| Oh, you don't have to worry about anything ever again. | ||
| Just say it's the liberals' fault. | ||
| It's globalists. | ||
| This is a feel-good story for Millie to tell. | ||
| She was a dumb liberal until a stupid Texan yelled at her and showed her what reality really looks like. | ||
| But it's bullshit. | ||
| It's just effective at manipulating people who might be disaffected liberals or independents. | ||
| You know, it's kind of like a right-wing propaganda version of, come on in, the water's fine. | ||
| That's the reason why all of these right-wing grifters magically have some form of this backstory. | ||
| From Candace Owens to Brandon Straka of the walk-away movement, hashtag walk-away, they all have the same thing. | ||
| It's almost like giving permission to the listener to, like, you can do it. | ||
| Hey, I was a liberal, and then I was offered good money for no work, and now I'm not. | ||
| And you, too, can do that! | ||
| Oh, boy. | ||
| So, Millie is not a very long speech. | ||
| It's sort of appreciative to Alex or, like, you know, celebrating Alex a little bit. | ||
| And then she gets into a story that she... | ||
| I've heard her talk about before. | ||
| I find no real compelling... | ||
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Oh, God. | |
| Did she kill a dog now? | ||
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No. | |
| Oh, okay. | ||
| She was covering the Kentucky gubernatorial race, and she has a conspiracy about it that I've heard. | ||
| I've heard her bring up a couple times, and I don't find it compelling. | ||
| But it's interesting. | ||
| She says something while talking about this story in this speech that she should be deeply ashamed of. | ||
| I went forward. | ||
| I pushed it. | ||
| I told everyone what was going on. | ||
| But some of that information we couldn't release. | ||
| Because in doing so, we would have been releasing information that could potentially put us in prison, just like Julian Assange. | ||
| How many journalists out there are sitting on information that they would love to release, but they can't? | ||
| But those who were brave, like Julian Assange, those who were brave, I mean, even Chelsea Manning, I mean, Bradley Manning, whatever you want to call them. | ||
| Those people that were brave, look what's happening to them. | ||
| So, like I said, I pray for Julian Assange. | ||
| Great that she thinks misgendering is funny. | ||
| Also, if you listen carefully, what Millie Weaver just did is say into a hot mic that she's a coward. | ||
| She's talking about some hot scoop that she had about how there was election meddling in the Kentucky gubernatorial race that saw incumbent Matt Bevin lose his bid for re-election. | ||
| There's no proof that this election was stolen, but here Millie is saying that she has information that would prove that it was, but she can't release it because she's afraid of the consequences. | ||
| She's worried about what would happen to her personally if she reveals this information, so she's keeping it to herself and allowing a fraudulent election to stand. | ||
| I don't believe her at all, but if what she was saying were true, she's a piece of shit. | ||
| What happened to the Infowars motto of being the tip of the spear? | ||
| What happened to the, we're the ones who hit the barbed wire talk? | ||
| Where's that kamikaze mentality that Alex screams about all the time? | ||
| You dare call yourself an investigative journalist and then claim that you have proof that an election was stolen, but you're not telling anyone what that proof is because you don't want the headache of what could happen to you afterwards. | ||
| Even the dramatized, imaginary version of herself that Millie is presenting in this speech should be ashamed. | ||
| Sometimes investigative journalism means uncovering things that's a risk to your comfort. | ||
| That's kind of just part of the gig. | ||
| Like, imagine Upton Sinclair discovering what he did about the U.S. meatpacking industry and then just deciding, well, this could lead to trouble, I'm going to keep it to myself. | ||
| I mean, you know. | ||
| Or imagine how many things Glenn Greenwald could have kept to himself. | ||
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Yeah, yeah, yeah. | |
| I mean, there are some things he should have, but for the most part, he's doing a great job. | ||
| No one has a perfect batting average. | ||
| The line of work Millie and all the Infowars people pretend to be in is one that requires hard work, skill, and a certainty of conscience. | ||
| A crisis point could come at any time when you learn something that the public needs to know, but revealing it could be bad to you personally. | ||
| And if you pursue this kind of work, you need to decide well ahead of time that come what may, you're serving the public interest. | ||
| Damn the torpedoes. | ||
| Millie's work shows that she doesn't have the skill, nor does she put in the hard work that the job requires, and comments like that one that she had shows that she doesn't have the constitution for it either. | ||
| This is embarrassing shit. | ||
| Even in her mythologizing, she's literally saying, We should be grateful and proud of the people who are brave, like Julian Assange. | ||
| Unlike me. | ||
| I am very clearly a coward in comparison to Julian Assange. | ||
| Her speech is basically just... | ||
| The bottom line is, I'm not cut out for this. | ||
| She's just saying, I suck, dudes. | ||
| I suck. | ||
| And in the meantime, I'm going to insult trans... | ||
| Hero. | ||
| A fucking true goddamn hero. | ||
| And think it's a joke. | ||
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That they're lying about who is doing, who did everything that they pretend to have the principles necessary to do. | |
| They should be shamed by Chelsea Manning and instead they're mocking her. | ||
| And that's probably because they are ashamed of themselves. | ||
| Also, Millie should probably feel weird about being such an advocate for Matt Bevin. | ||
| After he lost re-election, he went on a bit of a pardoning spree. | ||
| According to NPR, quote, in one case, Bevin pardoned a man convicted of homicide. | ||
| That man's family raised more than $20,000 at a political fundraiser to help Bevin pay off a debt owed from his 2015 gubernatorial campaign. | ||
| Another one of the people Bevin pardoned was a 41-year-old man who'd been convicted of raping a 9-year-old. | ||
| He pardoned another guy who'd killed his parents. | ||
| And then there was the guy he pardoned who was, quote, convicted of beheading a female co-worker and hiding her mutilated body in a barrel. | ||
| He also pardoned a woman who had been convicted of attempting to hire a hitman to kill her child's father and his wife and to make it look like a murder-suicide. | ||
| Interestingly, that woman was a friend of Bevin's sister, who had testified in her defense during the trial. | ||
| Overall, he pardoned 428 people, and mysteriously, 95% of them were white. | ||
| Bevin's actions before leaving office were so shocking and offensive that even noted morally dubious character Mitch McConnell called it inappropriate. | ||
| Matt Bevin is a disgusting piece of shit, but he was the candidate that Trump was behind in that election, so him losing must be proof of theft to an Infowars employee. | ||
| Hey, look, I'm not gonna pardon... | ||
| Look, I'm pardoning a lot of people. | ||
| Not all of them good. | ||
| Not all of them good. | ||
| Hey, Trump did say that. | ||
| Hey, not all of them good. | ||
| What are you gonna do? | ||
| You're gonna get some bad apples in the I'm choosing to pardon list. | ||
| And sure. | ||
| Bevan pardoned convicted murderers and pedophiles. | ||
| Almost all of them are white, so this isn't a problem for an intrepid reporter like Millie. | ||
| Yeah, and I assume plenty of them similarly... | ||
| Saw money go towards Bevan's... | ||
| I'm not sure. | ||
| The only specific case of that was that murderer. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| I don't know if there are more instances. | ||
| Because I think a number of the people that he did let out were people who you and I, just independent of all other contexts, would be like, yeah, they shouldn't be in prison. | ||
| Okay, good. | ||
| You know, some non-violent offenders. | ||
| Yeah, yeah, yeah. | ||
| It's 428 people. | ||
| Some of them are like... | ||
| Alright, good job on that one. | ||
| They can't all be murderers. | ||
| But that's what you do. | ||
| You pardon a whole bunch of people in order to try and mask the campaign fundraiser who murdered a guy. | ||
| Jesus. | ||
| $20,000 seems pretty cheap for a murder pardon. | ||
| Well, he had a debt he needed to pay, and this got him out of that debt. | ||
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Why aren't people doing this to outgoing governors? | |
| Just start raising money to outgoing governors to get a pardon for your loved one who murdered somebody. | ||
| Not all of them are blatantly corrupt. | ||
| I'm not saying all of them are, but I'm sure you could find a couple. | ||
| Sure. | ||
| We got Blago here. | ||
| He might still pardon somebody. | ||
| I saw on his Twitter. | ||
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He's getting ready to pardon. | |
| So, Millie's speech is pretty short and very embarrassing, and she should really feel bad about it. | ||
| Yeah, yeah, I doubt she will, though. | ||
| I don't think she understands the implications of the things that she says. | ||
| Understanding is hard. | ||
| So now, when she's done, we get a host. | ||
| But it's not Tom Papert, it's Rob Dew. | ||
| Rob Dew comes back. | ||
| Rob Dew's coming back? | ||
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Yes. | |
| It makes no sense. | ||
| Rob Dew of Dew's News? | ||
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Millie Weaver is proof that conservatives are way better looking than liberals. | |
| That's not good! | ||
| I don't... | ||
| What? | ||
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What does that mean? | |
| I've seen watch Millie's work grow and evolve throughout the many years, and one of the great collaborations was helping her get Rainbow Snatch and birth that into being. | ||
| Really? | ||
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If you've seen her Rainbow Snatch videos, they're off the hook. | |
| Strange brag. | ||
| Wow. | ||
| So now we know who to blame for that. | ||
| I don't understand how you can... | ||
| Be a woman and still be there. | ||
| Like, just even that. | ||
| It's weird. | ||
| The first thing that they say, the first thing is look at how good she looks. | ||
| If I were producing a comedy show and the host said something like that about a female comic who was on the lineup, I would never book them again. | ||
| Get the fuck out of here! | ||
| I don't know if I would kick them off the show because it might be too... | ||
| That might be really bad for everyone involved, but I would be sure to never book them again, in that capacity especially, as a host. | ||
| I mean, it's just inappropriate behavior. | ||
| Her attractiveness or unattractiveness has nothing to do with why you're here, what she's bringing to the table, and her ostensible value as a person. | ||
| And to make it always constantly about attractiveness and sexiness is demeaning on a level. | ||
| It is very demeaning. | ||
| And you'll see more of it. | ||
| And they just keep it, hey, look, I know you put shit in my face for the fourth time, but I swear to God, one more time, that is my line in the sand. | ||
| And I mean, I think that there's an interesting conversation possibly about it not bothering Millie, and that's fine. | ||
| She has the right to not be bothered by it. | ||
| It's still just shit behavior. | ||
| Yeah, no kidding. | ||
| So we get another guest here. | ||
| Rob brings up another speaker. | ||
| And he has an interesting complaint about the scammers on the right. | ||
| The people like Ben Shapiro and Steven Crowder and all of them. | ||
| They're too successful! | ||
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All of our esteemed thinkers then go to college campuses. | |
| And this is my favorite charade that they do. | ||
| And during the Q&A at their events, people like Charlie Kirk will destroy the 19-year-old. | ||
| It's a sad and pathetic shtick that's been done over and over and over again by people who work in politics for a living against kids who are just developing. | ||
| Political ideologies. | ||
| Now, I'm going to grant that people like Steven Crowder, Ben Shapiro, Charlie Kirk, they have been way, way more successful at monetizing their game of dunking on people on the street and pretending they've demonstrated a point, but it should be pointed out that this is what approximately 80% of Infowars' field pieces are. | ||
| Like, that number goes up to 90 if you're just talking about Owen Troyer's work. | ||
| See, what they're really struggling with is they haven't figured out how to edit the video to make them look good. | ||
| See, Ben Shapiro and those guys, they edit the videos to make it look like they did do a good job. | ||
| I think some of the Infowars ones are successful in that, in the editing aspect of it. | ||
| But I just also think that maybe they're not as good. | ||
| No, we've just seen too many times... | ||
| It's more yelling. | ||
| Yeah, yeah, yeah, that's fair. | ||
| It's more yelling-based than Ben Shapiro's, like, fast-talking points and stuff. | ||
| So this guy's name is Pete DeBraska. | ||
| He was trying to run for the U.S. House in North Carolina, but he didn't qualify for the GOP primary ballot. | ||
| The problem was that Pete registered to vote as a Republican at his address on December 3rd, but he filed as a candidate too quickly thereafter. | ||
| The North Carolina GOP has a rule that candidates are invalid if they file to run within 90%. | ||
| 90 days of registering as a Republican, which as far as rules go, makes total sense to me. | ||
| Why would you wouldn't want someone just showing up and swooping in? | ||
| I'll register on the day of the primary even though I may not be a Republican and I'll just do whatever I want. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| Of course, because Pete is the kind of guy who would show up at an InfoWars rally. | ||
| He's decided that he's the victim in this whole thing. | ||
| There we go. | ||
| He promised to challenge this decision. | ||
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Of course. | |
| Honestly, it's pathetic how these guys can't just say, I wasn't aware of that rule, and honestly, I should have planned this out a little better, could have had everything in order. | ||
| I'll take that as a lesson, and I'll follow the rules next time. | ||
| It can't do that. | ||
| Imagine one of these people just finally saying, Whoops, that's on me. | ||
| That's my bad. | ||
| That's on me. | ||
| My bad, guys. | ||
| My bad. | ||
| Every instance of them being incompetent is proof of a conspiracy to keep the real conservatives down or some shit. | ||
| It's such a weak, cowardly posture, particularly coming from the people who have a habit of lecturing people about personal responsibility. | ||
| Jared Holt's headline at Right Wing Watch really sums this up perfectly. | ||
| Quote, anti-immigrant bloggers dreams of Congress crushed by own incompetence. | ||
| According to Jared's article, Pete's lawyer's argument in the appeal was, quote, what's the harm of putting Mr. Theobraska on the ballot? | ||
| It's not good when your lawyer's best shot is basically winking and saying, come on, come on. | ||
| Tubal King? | ||
| Does that work? | ||
| His appeal was unanimously. | ||
| Oh, come on! | ||
| Come on! | ||
| This guy, Pete, is a dum-dum. | ||
| But he's a dum-dum who wants to end all immigration and has a story about running for Congress that can be spun in a way as to make him look like a victim. | ||
| So he gets a speaking spot at this rally. | ||
| Those two things tend to go hand-in-hand. | ||
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Yeah. | |
| It was about at this point in the rally when I was watching it that I started to get a little bit depressed. | ||
| The audience is thin, which wouldn't be a problem if they weren't for the mythology of Infowars' alleged popularity. | ||
| But then these speakers are just the worst. | ||
| And not in the sense that they're horrible people, though they are. | ||
| They're just awful speakers. | ||
| Patrick Howley was trying to be funny and just whiffed. | ||
| Millie Weaver is a monotone snooze who gave a speech mostly about how she has no spine. | ||
| And now there's this guy up here doing whatever he's doing. | ||
| So I went to the store and I got a six-pack at about this point watching it. | ||
| Fuck this. | ||
| It really doesn't feel like anybody wrote their speech more than 20 minutes before they were about to go up. | ||
| You know what Pete did? | ||
| He had a long... | ||
| He had a bunch of paper. | ||
| He was ready. | ||
| I can listen to hours of InfoWars bullshit and even some other particularly unsavory shit and just keep moving. | ||
| But there's such an air of sadness and incompetence surrounding this free speech summit. | ||
| It really bummed me out. | ||
| There's the illusion when you're just listening to the show that you're listening along with thousands of other people. | ||
| But when you see that you're at a show... | ||
| Sparsely attended, even if you're online with only 30 people around, it's a lot sadder. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| It's a lot sadder. | ||
| And that's why, for the Infowars feed, they went into a tight shot for most of it. | ||
| Yeah, that's a smart move. | ||
| That was a very smart move. | ||
| And I think when you watch the actual show, it's much more of a controlled environment. | ||
| And a lot of those production aspects of it can be handled much more easily. | ||
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Right, right. | |
| And on the fly. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| So... | ||
| Anyway, like I mentioned, Pete, he's up there, and he's complaining about these right-wing people going out and dunking on college kids and random people on the street, not recognizing that's an essential piece of the Infor's business model. | ||
| I mean, yeah, that's basically what we do. | ||
| But he also is super anti-immigrant, and one of his arguments seems to be that they don't share American values. | ||
| And he uses a statistic here that I think is a real teachable moment. | ||
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You get thrown in jail. | |
| The force of the government will be brought against you for hate speech when we are replaced by foreigners, which is what is happening. | ||
| Replace? | ||
| 62% of Hispanics actually admitted to not respecting others' rights to freedom of speech. | ||
| So, I'm looking forward to the new America. | ||
| I don't know about you guys. | ||
| So, this dude is like, he's against illegal immigration. | ||
| He's also against legal immigration. | ||
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Sure. | |
| He does not give a fuck. | ||
| Close the borders, make it white. | ||
| So the pitch he's in the middle of here is trying to demonstrate that the fundamental rights that Americans have are not valued by immigrants. | ||
| but what he's doing is actually misusing statistics. | ||
| There's no reason for him to cite statistics about Hispanic attitudes towards free speech and then apply that to immigrants. | ||
| He has absolutely no way of knowing what proportion of the Hispanic people Oh, I mean, we love... | ||
| If Swedish people came over. | ||
| But that's not immigration. | ||
| They were born here probably or whatever. | ||
| Also, this 62% number he's citing about Hispanics not respecting others' rights, this is an example of him not understanding the things he reads. | ||
| This comes from a 2017 study published by the Cato Institute, but the question wasn't do you respect others' rights? | ||
| The question as posed in the study was if, quote, people who don't respect others don't deserve the right of free speech. | ||
| That's not the same question. | ||
| I can understand how if you're already postured to hate Hispanic people and you're looking for ways to justify your feelings, you could get sloppy and choose this, but it doesn't work. | ||
| Also, 36% of white people answer the question the same way, so wrestle with that. | ||
| Get them out of here! | ||
| Get them out of here! | ||
| Also, this is a classic... | ||
| They're probably from Sweden! | ||
| Oh, no. | ||
| This is a classic case of cherry-picking. | ||
| Pete can take this stat, misrepresent it, and use it to argue that if there are more Hispanic people in the country, then free speech will be gone. | ||
| But he seems to not want to report that in the same study, 77% of Hispanic people agreed that, quote, it would be difficult to ban hate speech since people can't agree on what hate speech is. | ||
| Seems to indicate a reticence to actually ban this stuff. | ||
| And this is with a Cato Institute poll, so God knows what the fucking bullshit they're throwing around even includes. | ||
| Now, if I wanted to, I could have some fun with that study. | ||
| Let's do it. | ||
| I could tell you that 44% of Republicans in that study said Holocaust deniers shouldn't be allowed to speak on college campuses. | ||
| Oh no, they're in trouble then. | ||
| Also, I should point out that 47% of Republicans said that people who publicly criticize or disrespect the police should not be allowed to speak at college campuses. | ||
| So, I guess you could draw the conclusion that from that study, Republicans prefer Holocaust denial to questioning the police. | ||
| The numbers in that study certainly reflect that, but where does that get us, really? | ||
| It's cherry-picking numbers and connecting them where they may not be connected. | ||
| I mean, but also, that does kind of track. | ||
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For you, emotionally, sure. | |
| I don't know if it's an appropriate use of the study to have that be the headline. | ||
| I'm not making that the lead there. | ||
| There's a lot of numbers in that study, and you can do a lot of things with them if you want to. | ||
| It's usually best to know what the questions that were being asked that lead to the stat is, though, but expecting that of this Pete guy seems like a big ask. | ||
| Man, that's a heartening level of response from Republicans, considering they don't even know how many Holocaust deniers that they support on a regular basis. | ||
| Well, this gets back to that 77% of people in the Hispanic community not wanting to ban hate speech because we can't decide what it is. | ||
| Of course. | ||
| There's a whole lot of people who are like, what is Holocaust denial? | ||
| Yeah, right? | ||
| Yeah, not good. | ||
| So, Alex seems to not be into this dude's speech. | ||
| It's a bit boring. | ||
| Sure. | ||
| He's talking about, like, policy things. | ||
| Ooh, get out of here. | ||
| And Alex cuts him off. | ||
| Of course. | ||
| He cuts him off. | ||
| Get the fuck out of here with your policy speeches. | ||
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American kids are propagandized for 18 years in government schools by the government itself to say college is the end-all be-all. | |
| You have to go to college. | ||
| If you do not go to college, you will not be successful. | ||
| You will stay dumb and unenlightened like your parents are who live back home, and it is absolutely terrible. | ||
| Okay, I'm going to do that. | ||
| I'm almost done. | ||
| I promise. | ||
| Oh, you're good. | ||
| There's your kicker, Saturn and Tim. | ||
| We got a bunch of other speakers. | ||
| You're kicking ass, man. | ||
| I love you. | ||
| You're awesome, man. | ||
| Oh, boy. | ||
| The audience is laughing because Alex has walked up on stage and is standing next to him ominously like, you've got to get off stage. | ||
| That is exactly how I used to run an open mic. | ||
| You're past your five, Eddie. | ||
| I'm up there next to you. | ||
| Now, Alex is the host, even though Rob do introduce the last one. | ||
| Naturally. | ||
| It's incoherent. | ||
| It's very rough. | ||
| But because Pete was kind of droning on and was a little bit boring, low energy, Alex realizes he's got to win the room back over. | ||
| And so, you know, Pete was talking about how evil immigration is as a whole. | ||
| So Alex takes that theme and starts screaming about it. | ||
| We love people from India, Mexico, Eastern Europe, wherever. | ||
| But they're being used as a tool to destroy our American Republic. | ||
| And so we have a right. | ||
| Water is a wonderful thing. | ||
| But if a dam breaks and floods your town, it's a bad thing. | ||
| And so we love our fellow humans. | ||
| We want a promian future. | ||
| But he's right. | ||
| The globalists are using uncontrolled immigration as a weapon, as a giant sucking sound like the late great... | ||
| Patriot from Texas, Ross Perot said, to lower our wages, and we see it as a weapon, and we resist it! | ||
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Yeah! | |
| So Alex gets the audience back engaged with some real performative outrage. | ||
| You can see him turning it on, even if you're watching the video. | ||
| It's like, alright, man. | ||
| You're just faking that shit. | ||
| I just gotta snap this back into place and then we'll keep moving. | ||
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Yep. | |
| Oh boy. | ||
| He brings up another... | ||
| Steve Harvey on the feud. | ||
| He's like, oh, we just had a real bad answer. | ||
| I'm gonna be a Steve Harvey real quick and we'll get this back on. | ||
| I gotta Steve Harvey it up. | ||
| Yeah, exactly. | ||
| So Alex introduces the next speaker and much like Rob couldn't come on stage and after Millie without saying that she was hot, Alex has the same instinct with this young lady. | ||
| Deanna Lorraine is amazing. | ||
| She's so smart. | ||
| She's bubbly. | ||
| She's on fire. | ||
| And she's running against Nancy Pelosi! | ||
| Deanna Lorraine! | ||
| Yeah! | ||
| Get up there. | ||
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Wow! | |
| A sexy lady who's smart. | ||
| That's crazy. | ||
| Thanks for being here with us. | ||
| So the next speaker up is Deanna Lorraine, who was recently a guest on Alex's show, and we talked about her a little bit. | ||
| I'm not particularly interested in her, since barring divine intervention, we'll have no idea who she is in about six months. | ||
| She's got this crowd excited because they're acting like she's running against Nancy Pelosi, but she hasn't even won the GOP primary yet. | ||
| There's a decent chance she's not making that general election, so this is a classic counting chickens situation. | ||
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Yeah, yeah, yeah. | |
| Vaccine chickens. | ||
| I'm noticing a bit of a trend at this point when I'm watching it. | ||
| It seems like a number of these speakers are actually just hopelessly lost congressional candidates who will take whatever stage time they can get. | ||
| Pete isn't even on the ballot, and he was up there giving a stump speech about his policy platform. | ||
| And he's ready. | ||
| And now Deanna Lorraine is here to campaign. | ||
| It's almost like a political sideshow, where the people who aren't even serious enough to be at CPAC are trying to pick up whatever scraps they can find. | ||
| And that's a real bummer to be on the sideshow, when the main show involved Diamond and Silk, Carpe Donctum, and Rick from Pawn Stars. | ||
| Carpe Donctum was there? | ||
| Seize the donk. | ||
| Oh, God. | ||
| What, did he have a slideshow? | ||
| Probably, yeah. | ||
| I don't know. | ||
| I didn't see a video of it. | ||
| I would assume so. | ||
| So Deanna has a bit of a stunt that she pulled that she wants to brag about. | ||
| She pulled a computer chip out of a homeless guy? | ||
| No. | ||
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Damn it! | |
| Although that does happen at the end of this rally. | ||
| Yes! | ||
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It doesn't. | |
| Damn it! | ||
| So Deanna gets to talk about this stunt. | ||
| It's just very sad. | ||
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So what I did in response to that... | |
| That bitch move of hers, excuse my language, but we're allowed to have free speech, is I flew a plane around San Francisco that said Pelosi for prison because we need to have her accountable for her crimes against America. | ||
| And it is, thank you, it's the most liberal district of America and people said, oh no, don't fly a plane around that says Pelosi for prison. | ||
| That's not something you should do. | ||
| So, Deanna is asserting here that San Francisco is the most liberal district in the United States, and first of all, San Francisco is not a district. | ||
| She's talking about California's 12th congressional district, which doesn't actually even contain all of San Francisco. | ||
| Some of southern San Francisco is in the 14th district. | ||
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Also... | |
| California's 12th is not the most liberal district in the country. | ||
| This measurement is captured by the Cook Political Reports Partisan Voter Index, or the PVI. | ||
| Since it started in 1997, the PVI is considered one of the most solid tools in terms of understanding partisan leanings, broken down on a granular level in every congressional district. | ||
| California's 12th district has a Democrat plus 37 PVI, which is a strong-leaning Democrat district, for sure. | ||
| There's no arguing with that. | ||
| You don't have to look very far to find a stronger-leaning district because California is 13th as a PVI of Democrat plus 40. The District of Columbia has Democrat plus 43. Illinois' 7th has Democrat plus 38. New York's 5th is plus 37. The 7th is plus 38. And the 13th is plus 43. Pennsylvania's second district is Democrat plus 40, | ||
| and actually the most liberal district in the country is New York's 15th, coming in at plus 44. And no, that is not where Alexandria Ocasio-Cortez got elected. | ||
| She's from the 14th district, which is only Democrat plus 29. San Francisco isn't the most liberal district in the country, but it feels like it to these sort of hardcore conservatives, because the city and the surrounding area played such an important role in the activism in the 60s and the civil rights movement. | ||
| This lingers to this day and it makes San Francisco a cultural villain to conservatives So it feels like the most liberal district, but it's not And honestly, this feels more like Deanna giving herself excuses for why she's inevitably going to lose this election Hopefully not in the GOP primary, though Hard to argue the liberal district excuse there Yeah, that one's trouble I would assume that people were advising her not to rent out a plane Not because the district's too liberal, but because her candidacy is a farce And it seems like a waste of money And, I mean, not just that, but... | ||
| You know, like, come up with an original idea, lady. | ||
| Oh, the blank for prison? | ||
| Yeah, what are we not going to put in prison? | ||
| Hey, man, if it's not broke, don't fix it. | ||
| Just put liberals for prison in there. | ||
| That's what you want. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| See, here's the thing, though. | ||
| All you liberals go to prison! | ||
| Here's the thing, though. | ||
| You fly that plane around, it's going to cause a response. | ||
| And Deanna has proof of this. | ||
| Look at that asshole plane up there. | ||
| I'm going to tell you in advance, I don't believe this is real. | ||
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Okay. | |
| I hope this is okay, but I'm going to play a little 20-second voicemail from someone that saw my Pelosi for prison banner in the air in San Francisco. | ||
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I'm just going to play a quick clip. | |
| Why don't you call? | ||
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And this is what he said. | |
| And I just wanted to say thank you and say, fuck you. | ||
| And I can't believe that we have fascists who are trying to run for office locally. | ||
| Please report to jail immediately. | ||
| Or if you keep on going where you're going, maybe you'll end up in a death camp. | ||
| A death camp. | ||
| That's the way we're going. | ||
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So bravo to you. | |
| Make your racist America great camp. | ||
| Make your racist America great camp. | ||
| Make your rapist American. | ||
| So these are the people that we're up against, you guys. | ||
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We are at war, and we need to fight. | |
| We need to fight. | ||
| These are the real fascists. | ||
| I don't believe for a second that that's a real voicemail, that someone who saw her plane... | ||
| Get the fuck out of here. | ||
| Here's a couple reasons why. | ||
| The first is that that voicemail started with a guy saying, I got your text message, which seems weird. | ||
|
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No, no, no. | |
| She texted him about how... | ||
| Did you see the... | ||
| She texted everybody, did you see the plane that I flew? | ||
| Why is Deanna texting with a guy who's allegedly leaving a random voicemail after seeing her Pelosi plane? | ||
| That makes no sense. | ||
| Second, the idea that someone who doesn't like her Pelosi plane would call her and say that she's going to death camps because that's where we're going, that's absurd. | ||
| The first problem with this is that the whole death camps thing, that's primarily an obsession of the right. | ||
| People like Alex and Deanna. | ||
| Alex has been yelling about FEMA camps being right around the corner for over a decade, and in that time I've never heard any of his enemies really suggest that they were interested in putting people in camps. | ||
| Oh yeah, liberals are always putting people in death camps, Dan. | ||
| The angry Democrat who threatens to put you in a camp because you're a conservative is a conservative boogeyman, not a real thing. | ||
| But, more importantly, she's fucking up the whole game here. | ||
| The death camps and shit are supposed to be being pushed by people who are super far to the left, the socialists and communists and whatnot. | ||
| That's where the fear narrative is supposed to live. | ||
| The people who are supposed to want to make those camps are also the people on the left who don't really like Nancy Pelosi that much. | ||
| The idea that you're going to offend a leftist by bashing Pelosi is laughable. | ||
| They may vote for her over a wingding like Deanna or whoever beats Deanna in the GOP primary, but this is a little bit much. | ||
| I have literally zero doubt that Deanna had someone record that for her so she could play it and show how much her plane is pissing off the Dems. | ||
| That's the only currency these idiots have. | ||
| The notion that their ideas and actions have value because they make their political opposition angry. | ||
| It's honestly super sad. | ||
| I saw a picture of the banner that she flew, and it doesn't have a phone number on it. | ||
|
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Interestingly... | |
| Interestingly, though, the image she has on her campaign website of the plane with a banner behind it is 100% a shitty Photoshop job. | ||
| Great. | ||
| It's embarrassingly clunky. | ||
| Like, it's a banner flying behind an airplane. | ||
| It has perfectly right angles on it. | ||
| Oh. | ||
| It's directed exactly at the camera. | ||
| It has no shadows or wrinkles or anything. | ||
| Great stuff. | ||
| It's very, very sad. | ||
| Great stuff. | ||
| Deanna posted a picture of the banner with the caption, quote, It's raining liberal tears in San Francisco right now. | ||
| Just sad. | ||
| Man. | ||
| I have no other words for how lame and desperate that whole thing is. | ||
| But she did actually fly it, because I did see pictures elsewhere of the banner, but of course it's folded over itself as any banner you're flying. | ||
| And so I think that she saw that and was like, that doesn't look good on my website. | ||
| I'm going to Photoshop it. | ||
| I can't take a picture that says... | ||
| Plea for sun. | ||
| You can still read it. | ||
| It just doesn't look smooth. | ||
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Yeah, yeah, yeah. | |
| So desperate. | ||
| God, that's sad. | ||
| Very sad. | ||
| And listen to that voicemail, too. | ||
| That is not somebody who's angry. | ||
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Nope. | |
| That's someone reading a script. | ||
| Yeah, exactly. | ||
| That's somebody being like, okay, and then you are a fascist! | ||
| And so we are going to keep going on that. | ||
| You're a fascist, right? | ||
| Check that box. | ||
| Oh, death camp. | ||
| All right. | ||
| You're a bad person. | ||
| Anyways, see you at brunch tomorrow. | ||
| Bye. | ||
| So she's done. | ||
| We get another speaker that Alex has now taken over as just the host, I guess. | ||
|
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Of course. | |
| Because he comes up and... | ||
| He's a megalomaniac. | ||
| He's got him. | ||
| You bet. | ||
| Sooner or later. | ||
| But hey, we're here. | ||
| Enrique, get up here and kick their ass. | ||
|
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Yeah. | |
| And we're four drinks in. | ||
| I can feel something from this guy right here. | ||
| We got some secret mentions. | ||
| We're developing this guy right now. | ||
| And we're six drinks in. | ||
|
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Get ready. | |
| Boom. | ||
| Yeah, it should be pointed out. | ||
| Alex is clearly pretty drunk by this point. | ||
|
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It gets way worse later. | |
| This is where it's really showing. | ||
| So the next speaker is Enrique Torrio, the head of the Proud Boys. | ||
| The mind reels at what sort of secret missions Alex is referring to that he has planned with him. | ||
| It could either be not masturbating, naming a bunch of cereals, or elaborate plots to spring Roger Stone from prison. | ||
|
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Sure. | |
| Who knows? | ||
| It could be any of those things. | ||
| Could be any of those things. | ||
| Or they could just terrorize a non-white person. | ||
|
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Could be. | |
| It's a good day. | ||
| But beyond that, Tario is another hopelessly doomed, aspiring congressional candidate. | ||
| He's running for a house seat in Florida, and there's no chance in hell he's winning. | ||
| And I doubt he's even going to win the primary. | ||
| Yeah, as we know. | ||
| No, without Stone in Florida, you got no chance. | ||
| This event, for all its pretense of being a free speech summit, really just feels like a rally for xenophobic, extreme right-wing candidates who aren't even actually candidates yet. | ||
| I promise we're not the KKK! | ||
| I promise we're not the KKK! | ||
| The vibe is grim. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| The room is still not full, and the more kixotic congressional candidates they have coming and giving speeches, the more it feels like people desperately trying to assert their relevance to a bunch of empty chairs. | ||
| I don't know how else to put it, but this is a bummer. | ||
| Not because the... | ||
| You know, like, Trump's rallies are a bummer because they're scary. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| This is a bummer because it's a bummer. | ||
| It's a sad, sad, sad, sad world. | ||
| Yes, definitely. | ||
| I think it's, they have to be, like, it has to start dawning on these right-wing grifters that they got pushed out by their own grift. | ||
| Yes. | ||
| You know, like... | ||
| CPAC used to be for normal people and then they got their own big place where they got to be conspiracy crazies. | ||
| And now CPAC is the conspiracy crazies. | ||
| They're stealing their conspiracy crazies. | ||
| So they're going to a shitty conspiracy crazy. | ||
| There's a divergence in the road of what is okay grifter crazy and what is not. | ||
| And Alex and all of these people are decidedly on the side of... | ||
| We might use you if we need you, but we are never going to let you at the table. | ||
| People like James O 'Keefe and Candace Owens and Charlie Kirk, they are speakers. | ||
| Headlining feature speakers at CPAC. | ||
| These people are in a quarter-full ballroom that they had to rent out themselves, and they're sad. | ||
| Yeah, I feel like this is like Walmart. | ||
| Moved in on the conspiracy grifter and pushed all these mom and pop conspiracy grifters into the Nazi territory. | ||
| Hey, I mean, look, that's a little bit of a simple analogy, but there might be something behind it. | ||
| Weird phrase. | ||
| Okay. | ||
| All right. | ||
| Well, thank you. | ||
| I could have just said interesting thought. | ||
| So Enrique starts bragging about all the things that he's banned from, which seems to be a theme. | ||
| Some of these people who are actually kicked off a bunch of stuff, it seems like they're really into talking about how many things they're banned from, because that gives them some kind of a capital. | ||
| I'm agreed. | ||
| Just a couple miles away from here, I'm banned from going to CPAC. | ||
| I can't go in there. | ||
| I'm banned off of... | ||
| Here we go. | ||
| I got a list. | ||
| I actually have to scroll through it. | ||
|
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So I've been banned off Facebook 19 times, Instagram four times, Twitter 19 times, PayPal, Airbnb. | |
| I'm just here in the fucking man! | ||
|
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Thank you. | |
| Alex, I can't keep going with my list after this. | ||
| Alex is pretty drunk. | ||
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Alex, I can't keep doing my list if you're going to interrupt me. | |
| Quit being boring! | ||
| No, I think Enrique is... | ||
| I mean, look, dude. | ||
| In terms of reception from the audience, it's catch as catch can. | ||
| It's dire. | ||
| But Enrique isn't as poorly received as, let's say, that first guy with the bad comedy, or Pete Diabrusco with his boring ass xenophobic policy papers. | ||
| Enrique's doing okay, and that is one of those situations where Alex has now gotten to the point of drunk, where he's... | ||
| Trying to help from the audience. | ||
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Yeah, yeah, yeah. | |
| As opposed to, like, with Papert, he was disrupting. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| So, now Alex gets... | ||
| Both types of heckler that are great. | ||
| Wonderful. | ||
| Alex gets up and, like, I have in my notes here, he's problem drunk now. | ||
| The last stage is a gulag. | ||
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And they're doing that to Roger Stone right now. | |
| It's not about silencing us. | ||
| It's not about taking our finances. | ||
| It's about putting us in jail. | ||
| They want us hung and they want us dead. | ||
| They lost dead! | ||
| They'll die first! | ||
| Amen to that. | ||
|
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This is iffy. | |
| So now we're at the point where they're screaming about how they're going to kill us. | ||
| This is a Jeff Dunham show now? | ||
| He's metriloquizing? | ||
| The toad has really taken a like, we're all fucked. | ||
| They're going to kill us. | ||
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We're going to kill them! | |
| So, Enrique, not only is the message that they want to put us in a gulag and they want to kill us. | ||
| They want to murder us. | ||
| You can't trust the people in this room. | ||
|
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Evil wants to go ahead and take over this country. | |
| We call it socialism. | ||
| We call it communism. | ||
| It's Satanism. | ||
| It's evil. | ||
|
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Sure. | |
| And it's here. | ||
| It's what we do. | ||
| It's here. | ||
| Love it. | ||
|
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And to be honest, it's probably in this room. | |
| Probably somebody infiltrated in here. | ||
| By the end of this evening. | ||
| Just enjoy your goddamn rally. | ||
|
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Stop it with this making everybody scared of everything. | |
| I have gathered you all tonight to slowly reveal who did the crime. | ||
| The doors are locked. | ||
| Yeah, exactly. | ||
| We're going to find the FBI snitch. | ||
| This is a murder mystery now. | ||
|
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I wish it was. | |
| God damn it, I wish this just turned into clues. | ||
| It would be so fun. | ||
| Alex Jones is wearing a wire. | ||
| And then they all start running from room to room. | ||
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Lights out. | |
| Oh, God, a drawing room farce would be perfect. | ||
| Damn it, I wish that would have happened. | ||
| It has all the potential of it. | ||
| Oh, absolutely. | ||
| You've got Enrique up here like, wait, you don't need to cast suspicions on the fucking weirdos who have come to your... | ||
| It's you! | ||
| Yeah, very dumb. | ||
| So he gets done with his paranoia-inducing speech, and Alex comes up to introduce the next speaker, and boy, he is. | ||
| He's having a good time. | ||
| How's Alex doing? | ||
| He's having a good time. | ||
| He's having a good time? | ||
| I'll tell you what they fear. | ||
| The past's already been laid out. | ||
| 1776 worldwide is the answer. | ||
| And we're going to do it. | ||
| And the worse things get, the more people are going to understand it. | ||
| All right. | ||
| Lee Stranahan is an investigative journalist. | ||
| He's worked for all the big leftist publications that are out there. | ||
| He's worked for Breitbart. | ||
| He's worked for them all. | ||
| So, Lee Stranahan's the next speaker, and finally we have someone who's not running a doomed congressional campaign, so that's nice. | ||
| His speech seems to mostly be about the Ukraine whistleblower and how much he wants the crowd to keep chanting his supposed name. | ||
|
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Sure. | |
| I tried to follow his point and his speech, but I also found myself not very interested. | ||
| It seems like his point may have been to be wary of the CIA, and if that's what he's getting at... | ||
| Point taken. | ||
| Good for you. | ||
| Sure. | ||
| On board. | ||
| They're evil. | ||
| More important thing here is, you gotta note, is Alex is problematically drunk now. | ||
| Oh, man. | ||
| He's snarling, and he called Breitbart a leftist publication. | ||
| He did a little raspberry. | ||
| He did a little... | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| This is where I started to get worried, and the vibe started to transform from this event is really sad to, uh-oh, this might get interesting. | ||
| This could be a bad... | ||
| All right. | ||
| How far into this are we? | ||
| What? | ||
| How far into the event are we? | ||
| Maybe an hour. | ||
| How long is it supposed to go? | ||
| I don't know how long it's supposed to go, but it ends up going three hours. | ||
|
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Okay. | |
| All right. | ||
| All right. | ||
| Okay. | ||
| So, you know, Lee's giving his speech, and it's really just along the lines, like I said, he keeps getting the crowd to chant the whistleblower's name. | ||
| Sure, sure, sure. | ||
| And it's not a very long speech, but he gets interrupted by Rob Dew. | ||
| In the middle of it. | ||
| Mic down for this, because where Alex takes this is absurd. | ||
|
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Well, you know what? | |
| I was just told that these streams might get banned for the words you were saying. | ||
| Really? | ||
| Oh! | ||
| Eric Ciaramella. | ||
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But they won't ban them on Bandai Video, and that's where we're going to put this up later tonight. | |
| So, F the system, and F their censorship. | ||
| Yeah! | ||
| The judge in the Stone Show trial says, don't say the names of the jurors, even though under federal law they're supposed to be public, because she rigged them all, and they're Democratic Party operatives, and they're panicking right now, and we put out the names of the jurors, and now she's burning in hell. | ||
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Burn in hell! | |
| Because her threats were cold. | ||
| We called them, and now... | ||
| That Amy Berman Jackson burns in hell! | ||
|
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Let me just say this. | |
| As a speaker, it is hard to follow Alex Jones. | ||
| All right. | ||
| I understand that Alex is pretty drunk by this point, and he's completely lost his ability to control himself. | ||
| But if I had no idea what was going on and had no access to context, I would think this was a man celebrating after murdering a judge. | ||
| Did they kill Amy Berman Jackson when we weren't looking? | ||
| People don't typically burn in hell while they're still alive. | ||
| So that seems like a strange thing to yell about somebody. | ||
| Oh, man. | ||
| Also, Rob Do is the saddest little boy here, scampering up to the mic to try to get the audience excited about how dangerous it is to say this whistleblower's name. | ||
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Whoa, whoa, whoa, whoa, whoa! | |
| They are not fucking out there. | ||
| They are effing out there, Dan. | ||
| Let's recall that he specifically did not use the word fuck in the free speech conference. | ||
| It's such a fetishization of manufactured and imagined persecution. | ||
| This is the end result of Alex's horribly misguided philosophy that you know that you're right when you're getting attacked. | ||
| Which he even expressed at the beginning of his speech, like at the start. | ||
| If you internalize that belief, then you'll interpret attacks as being proof that you're right, which gives you the validation and a bit of a dopamine rush from like, yeah, we're doing it. | ||
| But what happens when you're not getting attacked and your very sad free speech summit is just happening and no one cares? | ||
| Well, then you might just need to interrupt Lee Stranahan to pretend that you just might get attacked at some point, which would then prove that you're right and give you the validation you so desperately What if we turned oppositional defiance disorder into a movement? | ||
| Right. | ||
| So, Alex has maybe killed Amy Berman Jackson, which is tough news to hear. | ||
| To be determined. | ||
| I have not checked on her recently. | ||
| So weird. | ||
| That is a weird thing to say. | ||
| Lee Stranahan, also, you see there the cop-out of, it's hard to follow Alex. | ||
| Hey, this guy's shit-faced, guys. | ||
| I mean, it's hard to follow. | ||
| It's a trend that when Alex interrupts people, they're like, oh, I can't follow Alex. | ||
| It's a surrender. | ||
| Lee Stranahan's pretty high status, though, like, in general, because he has a resume. | ||
| He's an actual reporter. | ||
| And I don't think he cares too much about this. | ||
| And he keeps his speech short. | ||
| He's prepared. | ||
| And so he can deflect and move along. | ||
| But still, that hurts him. | ||
| The Alex interrupting and yelling about Amy Berman Jackson being in hell. | ||
| And his only response being like, how do you follow this? | ||
| Hey, Alex. | ||
| He's out there, man. | ||
| It's surrender. | ||
| So he finishes up his speech. | ||
| Alex is still being the host. | ||
| And he seems to have forgotten who's coming up next. | ||
| I got my nose over here. | ||
| I'm getting my exercise here, okay? | ||
| I'm getting my exercise. | ||
| Alright, we're having a good night tonight in defiance of their chair and it's amazing. | ||
| Thanks for coming out, I love it. | ||
|
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Whoa. | |
| Let's go ahead and bring up... | ||
| Former head of the NSA statistical operations unit, frequent guest of the show, Bill Benny. | ||
| We wanted to come. | ||
| He couldn't come because he's working on a big project. | ||
| So he said, have Tommy Collins, my partner, on who's working with me on major operations. | ||
| So I've never met Tommy Collins, but I'm excited to have them on. | ||
| So Tommy, come on up here. | ||
| Thank you so much. | ||
| This show needs a producer's touch because it's sloppy as fuck. | ||
| I know that Alex is drunk and he's a force of nature, so no amount of production is really going to help with that. | ||
| But there are little things that could have gone a long way in terms of making this not seem like a ridiculous amateur spectacle. | ||
| For one, you could have had the speaker's list up there taped to the podium. | ||
| So Alex couldn't accidentally forget it and have to walk through the crowd to grab it because he has no idea who's coming up next. | ||
| Another thing that might have been good is having Alex meet the people he's going to introduce prior to introducing them. | ||
| Alex legitimately has no idea if Tommy is a man or a woman, and yet here he is presenting her as an expert because William Binney didn't want to show up. | ||
| Tommy Collins runs a group called America Restored. | ||
| I admit that I don't know what that group is all about, but I did check out their Facebook page. | ||
| Oh, what's that? | ||
| They have a Facebook page. | ||
| Look at that. | ||
| Another person at this gala who hasn't been kicked off social media. | ||
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Crazy. | |
| Conservative, they'll get to him. | ||
| Sure. | ||
| On February 26th, 2020, I'm Dan, this is 2020, America Restored posted a link to an article with the headline, quote, Donald Trump tours chemtrail plane, promises to terminate program. | ||
| This was such a blatant piece of bullshit from some dumb blog, though they used a picture of the NBC News logo on it to imply credibility. | ||
| It was so flagrant that even the commenters had to point out that this was a fake story. | ||
| As of February 29th, this post is still up on their page. | ||
| How many likes? | ||
| I don't know. | ||
| From their About page, it's pretty clear that they're a Christian fundamentalist outlet, pushing for what you might describe as either a Christian-led nation or a theocracy, depending on your point of view. | ||
| I looked at it and I think from some of the metrics, it's pretty clear that a lot of the members of her group are bots. | ||
| Yeah, that's probably true. | ||
| Anyway, I guess that maybe Tommy works with William Binney on some stuff, which seems completely nuts to me. | ||
| That's normal. | ||
| He's supposed to be the former technical head of the NSA and she runs a weird conservative Christian organization that posts obviously fake things on Facebook. | ||
| Well, she has a part-time job as a PA. | ||
|
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What a tag team. | |
| Yeah. | ||
|
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So, Tommy gets up and... | |
| Her speech is obviously about William Binney, because that's all that anyone cares about. | ||
| And I would say, if you listen carefully, I don't think she has a handle on the details of the things that Bill does. | ||
| Bill, if you guys don't know who he is, Bill Binney, and most people do, but I'll give you a little rundown. | ||
| Bill Binney is the man that's responsible for building out about two-thirds of the modern-day NSA. | ||
| And he left in the early 2000s, and when he left there, they're still using the... | ||
| I shouldn't say I'm here. | ||
| They're still using the stuff that he had originally developed. | ||
| It's powerful. | ||
| Bill has been continuing to work on things. | ||
| His stuff was so innovative at that time, they've never been able to get better. | ||
| So that's pretty powerful. | ||
| That doesn't sound true. | ||
| So if you're keeping track, Bill made some stuff that's really powerful for the NSA and has continued to work on things. | ||
| He makes stuff that's really good stuff. | ||
| These things are powerful, important things. | ||
| You know, Jordan, sometimes I'll be working on some things and I'll think, this is some good stuff. | ||
| Man, I just don't know how to improve on some of the things involved in this stuff. | ||
| You wrote a better speech than most everybody there. | ||
| Ridiculous. | ||
| What are you talking about? | ||
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She's talking about stuff! | |
| At the NSA, the National Stuff Agency. | ||
| This is a person with legitimately no information. | ||
| And I honestly kind of wonder if she's even there at the request of William Binney. | ||
| Most of her speech is pushing the conspiracy that the Guccifer hack couldn't have been done remotely over the internet. | ||
| Which is a position that William Binney has definitely advanced, but he also recanted it in 2018 when Duncan Campbell demonstrated to him that the metadata that he'd used to arrive at that conclusion had been manipulated. | ||
| I honestly have no idea what's going on here, but I don't exclude the possibility that William Binney has nothing to do with her speech in the present day. | ||
| The only connection between Tommy and Binney that I can find online is from 2018, an interview that she did with him prior to the point where Binney walked back the goose of her theories. | ||
| I have no idea what's going on here. | ||
| And, like, this is booking that I would have avoided if I were Infowars. | ||
| It raises more questions than answers that it provides, and it just looks amateurish. | ||
| This lineup is already overbooked. | ||
| There's no need for this. | ||
| This is not bringing anything to the table. | ||
| Oh, yeah. | ||
| I walked in. | ||
| It was a good day. | ||
| So, now I'm talking here. | ||
| So, the reason that she's there, and the reason that she got on stage, honestly... | ||
| Is that she promised information and an announcement that Bill Binney's been working on. | ||
| So they think they're going to break some big news. | ||
| And that apparently is that Bill's been working on things. | ||
| And she gets into it here in this next clip. | ||
| That's what Bill's stuff did. | ||
| It picked needles out of a haystack. | ||
| It was proven that Bill would have actually discovered 9-11 before it happened. | ||
| Bill's forte is bulk data. | ||
| His forte is bulk data. | ||
| Meaning, not forte, unparalleled, nothing out there like it. | ||
| It's never been reinvented. | ||
| The NSA has never been able to get better. | ||
| Bill's the bomb. | ||
| He has technology that's never been recreated. | ||
| Right? | ||
| Until now! | ||
| You guys, we are right now. | ||
| Bill, up to this date, has never, ever even asked for money for a speaking engagement because he never wanted anyone to ever accuse him of going for the money. | ||
| Is she selling food buckets? | ||
| Yeah, he never wrote a book. | ||
| He never got money on the movie. | ||
| Nothing. | ||
| You know what? | ||
| So listen to this, you guys. | ||
| That's why Bill's on board with a non-for-profit, because this is what we're going to do. | ||
| We're going to build out Bill's technology right now, and we need every freedom-loving American to get on board. | ||
| We're going to make them things. | ||
| Even I was caught a little bit off guard when this turned into a situation where Tommy is asking for money to make this super powerful technology that Bill has in his head that could have stopped 9-11. | ||
| Did not see that coming. | ||
| It was a swerve. | ||
| That was a swing. | ||
| A couple of quick points about this. | ||
| One, you don't need Bill's tech to have predicted 9-11, considering almost all of Alex's credibility is based on him claiming to have done just that. | ||
| Save some money and just write down the things Alex says. | ||
| Second, William Biddy worked with the NSA on 9-11. | ||
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That's a little problem. | |
| In fact, he retired in October 2001. | ||
| Suspiciously, basically immediately after 9-11. | ||
| I can't imagine that a room full of like 60 people are going to raise funds to provide Benny with some kind of miracle technology he can use to stop future terrorist attacks, considering he was literally at the NSA in a position to use all of his genius at the time when the worst terrorist attack on U.S. soil actually did happen. | ||
| Right. | ||
| Now, what you're missing is he actually created Mark Wahlberg, who would have stopped 9-11 if he was there. | ||
| This is all a goddamn hustle. | ||
| And it's sad on the one hand, but on the other hand, I get a pretty big charge out of how little response Tommy got after yelling, until now. | ||
| She really thought that was going to land like a shockwave through the crowd, but it just died. | ||
| That was very funny. | ||
| I've felt that pain when a punchline just misses entirely. | ||
| Granted, in those situations, I was just trying to get a laugh, not raise funds for an imaginary splinter high-tech intelligence operation in a half-filled room full of crypto-fascists. | ||
| Sure. | ||
| I imagine that feels worse. | ||
| You know what? | ||
| I can't imagine the feeling. | ||
| Because there's a certain amount of, in my head, if I were there, I'd be like, if I say something wrong, are they going to eat me? | ||
| Are they going to kill me? | ||
| Am I going to get eaten alive here? | ||
| Nah, you're fine. | ||
| You just get rushed off stage. | ||
| Because once it becomes clear that she's trying to raise money, Alex puts an end to that pretty quick. | ||
| But he still has to promote Bill Benny because he still needs him as an expert on stuff. | ||
| And so Alex builds up Benny's I don't know, backstory? | ||
| Admittedly, in U.S. history, George Washington was great at codes. | ||
| William Benny is like a savant of codes and computers, and he created the whole modern NSA, and then when he exposed the corruption, they went after him and tried to kill him. | ||
| He doesn't make a big deal about it, but they poisoned him at the Senate. | ||
| Lunch Harry lost his legs. | ||
| He's a real patriot. | ||
| He didn't lose his legs because the globalists poisoned him. | ||
| He has diabetes. | ||
| Well, there's that. | ||
| They poisoned him with sugar, Dan. | ||
| Nice spin. | ||
| So Alex starts rambling about Bill Binney's technology, and I think that this clip is actually a really amazing little demonstration of Alex not knowing what he's about to say when he starts a sentence. | ||
| Mic down for this, because you've got to follow this track. | ||
| That's what people have gone through to bring you this level of information. | ||
| We're talking about 3D imaging. | ||
| Digital quantum computing mapping and literally being able to judge pre-crime, the system didn't want to use that. | ||
| I'm not even sure I'm for that, actually. | ||
| But they wanted it all to continue. | ||
| They used the computers to continue the crime. | ||
| And to continue the criminality. | ||
| So you see what happened there is that Alex got caught up in rambling about how Bill Binney had this amazing technology he created that the globalists didn't want him to use. | ||
| It was 3D imaging and all that. | ||
| So sophisticated you could detect crimes before they happen. | ||
| As Alex is talking, he realizes that he's describing something he categorically has to be opposed to. | ||
| It's archetypical dystopian fiction stuff. | ||
| It is literally the government. | ||
| Watching you all the time. | ||
| So he expresses doubt that he'd be in favor of it, and then does a little sleight of hand where he completely flips the whole story. | ||
| That's why they tried to continue it, and he stopped it, even though he invented it. | ||
| That's only because he was going to stop 9-11, but then he had to retire. | ||
| As soon as he realizes that he needs to be against this minority report technology he's pretending Benny made, he knows that the globalists now have to be in favor of it. | ||
| So he proceeds as if he didn't say they were trying to stop Benny like 10 seconds. | ||
| And it's prior. | ||
| And nothing Alex says means anything. | ||
| He's just making all this shit. | ||
| Yeah, don't worry about it. | ||
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Yeah. | |
| So, in this next clip, we get another introduction. | ||
| It's Infowars stalwart. | ||
| This is overbooked. | ||
| It's very. | ||
| This is overbooked. | ||
| We're not even close to done with this. | ||
| That can't be real. | ||
| Next speaker coming up is Destroyed Cucks. | ||
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Oh, goddammit. | |
| The one and only Bearded Owen Schroyer. | ||
| Goddammit. | ||
| Owen Schroyer, come up here. | ||
|
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Really? | |
| Destroyer? | ||
| Come on now. | ||
| Just remember, we're winning, the globalists are losing, and Judge Amy Berman Jackson is getting ready for a prison cell. | ||
| It's always a good thing. | ||
| It's going to be part of victory. | ||
| Believe me, we're winning. | ||
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All right. | |
| All right, all right, all right, all right. | ||
| There's a very interesting dynamic at play at this free speech summit. | ||
| One thing is that Owen isn't drinking, and he has a consistent motivation, so he comes off as a level-headed dude by comparison to the painfully drunk Alex and the grab bag of losers who have spoken so far. | ||
| This might be my Somali Pirates moment, but you kind of have to give it up to Owen for keeping his wits about him when he could have just got wasted and had a good time. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| The second dynamic here that is important to point out is that by this point, the room is filled out a little bit. | ||
| It's still mostly empty, but what's happened is that, at least by the point when Lee Stranahan was on stage, Nick Fuentes' fans showed up. | ||
| Oh, no. | ||
| The Groypers are there, and they make up a significant portion of the crowd, and they like Owen. | ||
| Okay. | ||
| We've only talked about Nick Fuentes showing up on Alex's show in the past, but he's been a guest with Owen a couple times, too. | ||
| I've mentioned this a number of times that the younger, more online radical types are more likely to show up on Owen's show, and Nick is a prime example of that. | ||
| Alex is a bit of an embarrassing old man for them. | ||
| They'd be happy to utilize his platform to disseminate their views, but privately, they're also probably doing impressions of him and mocking him about gay frogs and stuff. | ||
| Okay, that's fair. | ||
| His identity is mostly caught up in the Cuck Destroyer imagery, and his public existence doesn't have the same baggage that Alex does. | ||
| He's only really been on InfoWars for a few years, and most of that time his coverage has mostly been the anti-SJW stuff and acting like a big boy. | ||
| Plus, working in his favor is the fact that no one watches his show, so they don't realize how bad it is. | ||
| Yeah, yeah, yeah. | ||
| You can hear from that much larger ovation that Owen got when he came to the stage that the mood in the room has shifted a little. | ||
| And that's because the Fuentes fans are there and someone they like has taken the stage. | ||
| It's very strange to see high-status Schroyer. | ||
| But I have to say that seeing him here showed me a whole new side of him. | ||
| It's entirely possible that I'm just being blinded by the staggering incompetence that surrounds him, but he's showing a confident, in-charge presence, and that's pretty weird. | ||
| I don't like it. | ||
| I don't like the way people are clapping for him. | ||
| I don't like him coming up. | ||
| Come on, come on. | ||
| No, I can see it in my head, him walking up to the podium and being like, all right, all right. | ||
| I know you love me, guys. | ||
| No, I know. | ||
| I'm a star. | ||
| Thank you. | ||
| I don't like it at all. | ||
| Well, if it makes you feel any better, they don't like him enough to laugh at a bad joke. | ||
| Okay, good. | ||
| But another indication is, so I was live all day from CPAC. | ||
| I saw a lot of you there. | ||
| I didn't even have time to eat or shower. | ||
| I go back to my hotel, I change, and I show up today and I realized I forgot my belt. | ||
| So please nobody tell Roger Stone. | ||
| That didn't land. | ||
| That did not land as well as I think he had hoped. | ||
| The right's getting too good at comedy, Dan. | ||
| Too good at comedy. | ||
| Paul told me about that. | ||
| Did you hear that other man? | ||
| Oh boy! | ||
| Adrenochrome! | ||
| So Owen gets to talking about why he likes working at InfoWars and I think that... | ||
| I'm lazy. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| I don't really like planned speaking events because I'd rather speak from the heart and I feel like there's some sort of pressure to prepare something when you come up here, but that's why I like InfoWars so much. | ||
| And there's no other platform like it, and Alex has left the building. | ||
| It's kind of like Austin Powers, like, where's my father? | ||
| Like, oh no. | ||
| Oh, Alex, you left me. | ||
| No, but seriously, I can't thank Alex enough for building the platform, because there is no other platform that would allow me to do what I do. | ||
| Totally. | ||
| I think that's accurate. | ||
| Yeah, yeah, yeah. | ||
| I don't like preparing much, and InfoWars doesn't have any standards on that front, so it's a perfect fit. | ||
| Yes, you are correct. | ||
| I can't dispute any of the factual statements he's making. | ||
| I don't think there's any virtue in it. | ||
| No, he's right. | ||
| He's right. | ||
| If you want a job where you... | ||
| It's like people watch talented performers and they're like, look at how effortless this is. | ||
| I shouldn't have to do any work. | ||
| And they don't realize how much effort it takes to get to the point where it looks like you're not trying. | ||
| Exactly. | ||
| It's so much work. | ||
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Yep. | |
| You learned that by trying. | ||
| Yeah, you gotta stop doing that. | ||
| You can get a good job at InfoWars. | ||
| Uh-huh. | ||
| So, in there, you hear Owen razzing Alex about not being in the room. | ||
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Ha-ha! | |
| And I think he's a little bit hurt by that, actually. | ||
| He's making a joke about it, and that's all good. | ||
| That's all good. | ||
| But he brings it back up at the end of his speech. | ||
| That's so funny. | ||
| And then this is where things get buckwild. | ||
| Nick Fuentes is coming up next. | ||
| There's Alex. | ||
| Hey, Alex, thanks for missing my speech, man. | ||
| Really meant a lot. | ||
| Really meant a lot, man. | ||
| No, seriously, Alex, I was thanking you, and I wanted to make sure you were here to introduce Nick Fuentes. | ||
| But you guys really are the revolution. | ||
| You really are. | ||
| Before we do Nick Fuentes, we've got Ivan Reakin, Green Beret, Patriot, and we've got... | ||
| And this is what it's like to work at Infowars, ladies and gentlemen. | ||
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Come on, let's put him up. | |
| Don't beat me up. | ||
| And we've got General Flynn's son here tonight. | ||
| So if you recall, Alex met Ivan Raiklin the last time he rented out the D.C. Press Club and did a big press event about how he wasn't on social media. | ||
| Ivan was there, said hi to Alex, and ended up giving a speech. | ||
| I suspect part of the reason they became fast friends is that Ivan is an associate of the Flynn family, and Alex wanted any kind of access he could get. | ||
| Ivan tried to run in the 2018 Senate race in Virginia, but was disqualified from the ballot because of invalid signatures. | ||
| But as best as I can tell, he's not in a doomed congressional candidate situation in this cycle currently. | ||
| So that means he's probably just here to talk shit, and Mike Flynn Jr. is a guaranteed pass to get on stage. | ||
| This is surreal stuff. | ||
| This, like, I got a very visceral reaction with, oh, and I totally get that. | ||
| That reminds me such of when I was a baby comic. | ||
| This is what it's like to work it in for? | ||
| No, no, no. | ||
| Like, oh, you weren't there for my whole speech. | ||
| Oh, that's such, like, when I was a baby comic, it opened my... | ||
| When the guy you want to impress has left the room. | ||
| Yeah, yeah, a friend of the show now, Marty. | ||
| But when I was, like, a year in and Marty was headlining at some middle of the... | ||
| It's a nowhere show in fucking Bridgeport or whatever. | ||
| Not Bridgeport. | ||
| Barrington. | ||
| And it's like he walked out of the room during my feature set and I was just like, oh no. | ||
| My hero doesn't like me. | ||
| It hurts, but you realize sometimes people have seen you already. | ||
| He got shit-faced and ran up on stage and kicked me off. | ||
| It's very similar. | ||
| It's exactly like working at InfoWars. | ||
| Mike Flynn Jr. is there. | ||
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Great. | |
| So Alex really wants Mike Flynn Jr. to come on stage and give a speech. | ||
| And so when he's bringing Ivan on stage, he explicitly asks. | ||
| And here is Ivan's response. | ||
| Hey, Ivan, great patriot, U.S. Army officer, lawyer, defense's eligibility agency formally. | ||
| Bring up. | ||
| Let's get General Flynn's son up here. | ||
| Get him up. | ||
| You said he was. | ||
| Go ahead. | ||
| You're on air. | ||
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I said no. | |
| You're on air. | ||
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All right. | |
| So who's out here? | ||
| Who's motivated today? | ||
| So he said, I said no. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| And you're right there with the, you're on air. | ||
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Yeah, yeah, yeah. | |
| Alex now thinks it's... | ||
| He's totally doing the show. | ||
| This is the show. | ||
| He's in full on, we're doing the show. | ||
| He is drunk and he thinks this is his studio. | ||
| It's very weird. | ||
| So, I was like, what the fuck is going on? | ||
| Like, Ivan ends up spending about three minutes talking about, like, I don't know why I'm up here. | ||
| I don't have anything prepared. | ||
| And he's just kind of weird. | ||
| I don't know what the vibe is, but then it becomes really clear what he's doing here. | ||
| And then everything explodes. | ||
| Okay. | ||
| This is a ride. | ||
| All right. | ||
|
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Big Tech Takedown. | |
| That's 2020. | ||
| How are we going to do that? | ||
|
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Well, self-plug, I'm part of a company called Yippee. | |
| It's a search engine. | ||
| Take a look. | ||
| Anybody use it? | ||
| Yippee.com. | ||
| Safe, secure search. | ||
| So here we have, it becomes clear why Ivan's coming to give a speech, trying to fundraise from this group. | ||
| And much like when Tommy Collins got into it being like this being a fundraising thing, Alex pretty quickly gets up on stage here to cut this off. | ||
| Big tech. | ||
| Hey, I like General Flynn's son. | ||
| He should get up here and talk. | ||
| Good job. | ||
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All right. | |
| All right. | ||
|
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Ivan Raikland on Twitter. | |
| Big troublemaker right here. | ||
| All right. | ||
| America is awake. | ||
| That's what's happening now. | ||
| Get ready for it. | ||
| How you doing? | ||
| Do you want to speak? | ||
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General Flynn's son. | |
| Yes, General Flynn's son. | ||
| Guys, we'll talk to you online. | ||
| God bless you, brother. | ||
| Tell folks who you are to speak. | ||
| Go ahead and do it. | ||
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All right, folks. | |
| So, there's so much going on in that clip. | ||
| That's not good. | ||
| You've got this Ivan Raiklin falling for the same foolish perception that Tommy Collins had where they think this is Shark Tank, and they're going to fundraise from this beleaguered audience. | ||
| And then, I think Alex sensed that this speech that Ivan was given was going nowhere, and that he's going into business for himself. | ||
| So, all bets are off. | ||
| Ivan's already said no to Alex's request for Flynn to speak, but Ivan's being a dick, so Alex forces the issue. | ||
| Ivan leaves stage, and Alex begins doing some pump-up stuff. | ||
| America's back! | ||
| But unbeknownst to him, Mike Flynn Jr. has come on stage behind him. | ||
| Alex and Mike greet each other, and Alex fumbles that, oh, we talked online, before this becomes his big victory. | ||
| He's now got Mike Flynn Jr. giving a speech at his rally. | ||
| Okay. | ||
| It's very weird. | ||
| What the fuck is about to happen? | ||
| Not that much. | ||
| It's not actually as exciting as... | ||
| Oh, goddammit! | ||
| The fact that he's there... | ||
| He cajoled him to get on stage and Mike Flynn Jr. isn't coming out with smarts? | ||
| Most of the speech is just about how his dad's innocent. | ||
| It's about what you'd expect. | ||
| Oh, yeah, but no, your dad did that shit. | ||
| There's not much firework to it except for what Alex does. | ||
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Right, right, right. | |
| Because Alex is fucking wasted. | ||
| So funny. | ||
| So Flynn starts talking about how this Russiagate thing has been real hard. | ||
| Your dad did that shit, dude. | ||
| Wow. | ||
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I can tell you that I kind of describe what's been going on with my family and everything else that's happened with all this Russiagate shit. | |
| And it's kind of like this long boxing match. | ||
| We're kind of in the 15th round now. | ||
| We feel like things are kind of kind of winding down. | ||
| And I have a really difficult time with this situation because on the one hand, Mike Flynn Jr. is a dumb dumb and he's definitely a willful actor spreading conspiracy shit. | ||
| Oh, yeah. | ||
| Oh, yeah. | ||
| His mother, as far as I know, wasn't involved in any of this. | ||
| It's sad for her, if only that. | ||
| However you find some sort of empathy, it's important to hold on to some of it. | ||
| And there are people involved in that family that are having to suffer consequences because of these people's actions. | ||
| Now, granted, that's the same for all sorts of people who are related to criminals. | ||
| But, you know, it's tough. | ||
| I don't want to punch too much. | ||
| You're right. | ||
| It's hard. | ||
| Fuck Mike Flynn. | ||
| True. | ||
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The end. | |
| So anyway, I just pulled this clip because there's no boxing match in the present day that will ever be in the 15th round. | ||
| Professional boxing limits fights to 12 rounds, and they made that limit, specifically because in 1982, Ray Mancini fought Duck Ku Kim in a match that went to the 15th round, which resulted in Kim collapsing into a coma immediately after the fight, getting emergency brain surgery and dying four days later. | ||
| Mike Flynn Jr. was like one year old when that happened, so his whole life, boxing matches have been 12 rounds. | ||
| 50 Brown. | ||
| He was referencing the old days. | ||
| 1920 Queens rules when you would fight until one guy fell to the ground. | ||
| 120 rounds in the last multiple days. | ||
| He was never alive. | ||
| Always fight. | ||
| So anyway, I just, yeah, sure, whatever. | ||
| Petty. | ||
| Anyway, Flynn talks about how his dad's innocent and Alex can't control himself. | ||
| He has to jump on stage. | ||
| Of course. | ||
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And look, I'm not up here looking for sympathy. | |
| I'm just letting you know that this is the truth. | ||
| This is what happened. | ||
| My father's not guilty of anything. | ||
| I think everybody here knows that. | ||
| Father's a hero! | ||
| That's also not true. | ||
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So, look, last thing I'll say is that the story of General Flynn is so complex. | |
| I want you to keep going for another 20 minutes. | ||
| We've got plenty of time. | ||
| We've got an hour of question and answer. | ||
| Talk about your father as a patriot and what you guys went through and the vindication now that the whole lie is coming down and Roger Stone and everything. | ||
| Tell him what happened. | ||
| Tell him in five minutes what happened, what you guys went through as American patriots. | ||
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Yep. | |
| This tells me that Alex has tried to get Mike Flynn on his show and he said no. | ||
| This is his opportunity to interview him and the speech that Flynn Jr. has given is not going the direction necessarily that Alex wants it to. | ||
| It's not sensational enough and so he's trying to direct it. | ||
| He pops up on stage and he says that. | ||
| Then Flynn starts trying to answer that question and it's not going well enough. | ||
| So Alex has to interject from the crowd. | ||
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You know, all of a sudden this stuff, you know, kind of came down with having to, you know, hire lawyers and... | |
| Why'd they go after your father? | ||
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Yeah, well, I mean... | |
| on his show. | ||
| Why did the go after your father tell him? | ||
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The deep stay went out with my father because he was outspoken on a number of things. | |
| The main thing was Obama's He's a big critic of that! | ||
| Alex cannot handle this. | ||
| He's like, I've got to micromanage. | ||
| I've got to direct this. | ||
| This is big. | ||
| People are going to be talking about this. | ||
| I need it to go the way I need it to go. | ||
| And unfortunately, also, I don't know if you can pick this up from the audio, but there's a lot of people talking in the room. | ||
| And we know from doing shows that there's ways to deal with that, and then there's ways to deal with that. | ||
| Oh, no. | ||
| Alex has one strategy. | ||
| Oh, no. | ||
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I'm a big advocate, and obviously very, very... | |
| Very, very outspoken for us. | ||
| That's a big deal after all the persecution you've gone through to come here and speak on these live feeds out here. | ||
| But let's get back to the beginning of the few minutes we have left. | ||
| I appreciate you coming here today and your courage to do it because I know you and your family have been persecuted. | ||
| I've been persecuted. | ||
| We know what it's like. | ||
| We get persecuted because we support America. | ||
| We realize that persecution is actually a blessing and we don't see ourselves as victims. | ||
| A lot of people listen to what this guy is saying because his dad, just like Roger Stone, And just like some other people, they've tried to put his father in prison. | ||
| They try to hold years in prison and bankrupting them to lie about President Trump and lie about the populist election we had. | ||
| So I hear a lot of talking. | ||
| I love you guys. | ||
| Just for respect. | ||
| Everybody just stop talking for one second. | ||
| Just one second. | ||
| One second. | ||
| Just one second in your lives. | ||
| His father wanted to serve America and try to defend our republic. | ||
| And because he did that, they targeted him because he wanted to put in the Trump administration patriots that would promote freedom worldwide. | ||
| They were scared of the army that George Washington founded 245 years ago. | ||
| Finally getting control of the government again from these communists and these globalists. | ||
| And then they launched every attack they had. | ||
| So I think anybody who's produced a comedy show can relate to that moment Alex just had. | ||
| Like you're trying to run a show and there's some people who won't stop talking in the back of the room. | ||
| Maybe it's bar patrons or maybe it's other comics that you booked, but you need them to shut up. | ||
| You have a headliner who's dropped in, who's been on television, and it's make or break time. | ||
| You need this to go well, so you panic a little bit. | ||
| It's too late at this point to have produced a better show, so a lot of the things you just have to accept. | ||
| Sure, you could have seated people better. | ||
| Sure, you could have not had an open bar. | ||
| Sure, you could have not spent so much time at that open bar yourself. | ||
| Sure, you could have just not let any dumb-dumb running for Congress do 15 minutes, but it's too late for that now. | ||
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It is. | |
| You need to fix this now, and the only way to do that is to yell at people to shut up. | ||
| That's very relatable to me. | ||
| I don't think I've ever done that myself, but I've come close. | ||
| And I've definitely seen hosts use that move a bunch. | ||
| It never works. | ||
| Hey, everybody! | ||
| We've got a really good show going on. | ||
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Right. | |
| Could you guys just please be quiet? | ||
| Can you please turn off the TVs? | ||
| It's not going to work. | ||
| It works for a minute, but then people just start talking. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| Because you haven't shown them why they need to pay attention. | ||
| You just scolded them. | ||
| Yep. | ||
| Now, where this stops being relatable is that part at the end there, where Alex almost starts crying about General Flynn. | ||
| It's not surprising for Alex to get... | ||
| Emotional talking about America. | ||
| But what I was shocked to hear is him saying that what the globalists were afraid of was that General Flynn was trying to get the military to be in charge of the government. | ||
| Is that what Alex has wanted this whole time? | ||
| Of course! | ||
| Because, if I'm not much mistaken, he was super anti-military until at least around 2009. | ||
| Hey, whoa. | ||
| If I'm not mistaken, Alex's entire brand was warning about the coming martial law in militarized state. | ||
| It seems like everything he's stood for since at least 1995 has been strongly, emphatically opposed to the idea of the military being in control of the state, but here he is crying on stage with Mike Flynn's son about how the globalists jammed up his dad because he was going to bring the military back in charge. | ||
| Seems fucked up. | ||
| Mike Flynn's son, who already said no to speaking at this. | ||
| Yeah, at least once, maybe twice. | ||
| Was not enjoying speaking at this. | ||
| Was clearly not being paid attention to at this and then was suddenly and loudly interrupted for this and then continually asked questions and interrupted by the very host that you are talking to who has now kicked you off the microphone and is standing right next to you screaming about how he loves George Washington. | ||
| And about how your dad was trying to get the military in control of the government. | ||
| It seems like maybe I don't want that. | ||
| Maybe in the world of improv, I don't want you to pimp me into that. | ||
| I don't want that to be the reality we all have to accept. | ||
| I'm going to have to no-but this one. | ||
| I'm going to have to no-but this one. | ||
| I'm sorry. | ||
| That's very weird. | ||
| I feel like that kind of phrasing is really weird and very counter to all the things that Alex seems to be... | ||
| Against. | ||
| Obama was black. | ||
| The end. | ||
| So I think it's really upsetting, too, because it's accompanied by this demonstration of what seems like pretty sincere drunk emotions. | ||
| Like, obviously, he's hamming it up a little bit for Flynn Jr., but I was watching it. | ||
| It seems fairly visceral. | ||
| George Washington was such a good coder. | ||
| He was so good. | ||
| He made Windows 1795. | ||
| It's very strange. | ||
| I love him. | ||
| So Alex starts having what I'd describe as a bit of a breakdown. | ||
| And as I was watching this, I got the sense that maybe this is too weird for Flynn Jr. | ||
| Okay. | ||
| Oh, right now? | ||
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Yeah. | |
| We have discredited Obama. | ||
| We have discredited Hillary. | ||
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This is like Mike is on hold on the show. | |
| America has had a great victory. | ||
| But America doesn't have a media to tell you the victory you've had. | ||
| Sure. | ||
| So General Flynn faces fake sentencing. | ||
| And I say, like I've told Roger Stone, call their bluff. | ||
| Because we've done nothing wrong. | ||
| We're good people, sir. | ||
| Are you, though? | ||
| He doesn't say his name ever. | ||
| General Flynn's son? | ||
| Yeah, that is funny. | ||
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He can't remember his name. | |
| We know your father's good. | ||
| You don't get attacked by CNN and MSNBC and ABC if you're evil. | ||
| Oh, then Bernie's great then. | ||
| When you're good. | ||
| Wow. | ||
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We know that. | |
| And America is rising now. | ||
| And the enemy knows it. | ||
| I'm stronger than ever. | ||
| Don't be strong. | ||
| Tell them the truth. | ||
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All right. | |
| I mean, the last thing I'll say is, you know, we still have a fight in front of us. | ||
| I think, I mean, I don't know. | ||
| I don't want to assume too much, but if you're Mike Flynn Jr., you probably got to get the sense that, first of all, this guy's wasted. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| And second, like, this seems to be about you. | ||
| This! | ||
| You seem to be projecting your situation on my father. | ||
| No! | ||
| Seems weird. | ||
| No! | ||
| I'm going to be as polite as possible and get through this. | ||
| I mean, that's a level of professionalism from him. | ||
| I will give him that. | ||
| I think it's less professionalism and more just like, what's the point? | ||
| That's fair. | ||
| I don't... | ||
| I can see... | ||
| As a performer, the point... | ||
| He's not a performer. | ||
| I know. | ||
| For me, the point then becomes, I'm burning this stage to the ground. | ||
| Right. | ||
| And I'm making sure that nobody will ever forget my name, and it will not be good. | ||
| I understand anybody who is speaking at this event having that impulse. | ||
| I totally do. | ||
| Yeah, you got it. | ||
| But I also can relate to someone who's like, it's not worth the trouble. | ||
| There's going to be a mess, and I don't really care to... | ||
| To do it. | ||
| True, true. | ||
| So you just say, like, I'm going to make this last point. | ||
| My dad's being persecuted. | ||
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Blah, blah, blah. | |
| This is another example of them not having personal pride. | ||
| So, Alex, of course, interrupts more. | ||
| And you're humble about this, but you came up here tonight, I know, under major pressure and persecution to tell the truth. | ||
| So in closing, tell the people watching out there on the internet and everybody here in person why you decided to come out and speak up for your father tonight. | ||
| I think it's because you know the tide has turned. | ||
| The hoax is broken. | ||
| We're Americans. | ||
| We're not Russian agents. | ||
| We love our country. | ||
| We believe in America. | ||
| Why did you come out tonight? | ||
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I came up here with Ivan Raiklin. | |
| I don't know where he's at. | ||
| He's around here somewhere. | ||
| Ivan's always dragging, pulling me in five different directions. | ||
| We were at CPAC before, and I'm going to be there in the next couple days. | ||
| Alex really wanted Mike to say, like, I came because your audience is so important and the tide is turning. | ||
| Alex wanted that moment, and boy, he didn't get it. | ||
| Just yes and me. | ||
| Why are you here? | ||
| I don't know. | ||
| I just follow Ivan around. | ||
| Ivan said to come. | ||
| Ivan wasn't going to be able to plug his search engine unless I came, so he's a friend of mine. | ||
| I don't want to be here now. | ||
| I didn't want to be at the conference, and I don't want to ever stand next to you. | ||
| So, Flynn. | ||
| Mike Flynn Jr. says that his dad will be back. | ||
| Like the Terminator? | ||
| This is just like... | ||
| I mean, you nailed it earlier. | ||
| As Alex progresses through this, he thinks he's doing his show. | ||
| He's doing his show, totally. | ||
| He has to co-host with... | ||
| He's co-hosting with his speakers! | ||
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But I can tell you that his time is not done. | |
| He will get his... | ||
| He will get his ass back out there and speak out about the things that need to be spoken out about. | ||
| That's right. | ||
| General Flynn bet on America three plus years ago and tried to put the White House stocked with patriots. | ||
| He was attacked as enemy number one. | ||
| And now, four years later, we are turning the tide. | ||
| His son is here with us tonight. | ||
| This is a beautiful time. | ||
| God bless you. | ||
| Tell your father we're indebted to him. | ||
| We appreciate him. | ||
| So you can't let Flynn Jr. have the last word in his own speech. | ||
| Alex cut him off in the middle of a sentence to wrap it up for him. | ||
| Yep. | ||
| That's so fucked up. | ||
| Yep. | ||
| And he totally grabbed him, didn't he? | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| That moment where he was like, no, no, no, don't go yet. | ||
| He totally grabbed his arm. | ||
| I heard him grab his arm. | ||
| Or at least put his arm on him. | ||
| I'm not sure about a grab, but yeah. | ||
| You can't leave yet. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| So, Flynn Jr. is done, and now Alex has Nick Fuentes coming up. | ||
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Sure. | |
| And so he introduces... | ||
| That's a real heavy hitter. | ||
| Sure. | ||
| So he introduces Nick, and I think you can tell fairly well that the audience is mostly his fans. | ||
| Well, it's hard to follow this. | ||
| Nick Fuentes, who challenged the Republican censors and the neocons on the Chi-Com tit. | ||
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That Chi-Com test will pull off the point test. | |
| Thank you. | ||
| He's getting sustained applause that carry him to stage in a way that these other speakers are not. | ||
| So Nick comes on stage, and I think you'll be able to tell immediately how much better he is at this than almost everybody else that's been there. | ||
| Wow, it is great to be here. | ||
| This has been a very fun event. | ||
| I've been to CPAC for... | ||
| Two years now. | ||
| I went to CPAC in 2018 and 2019. | ||
| In 2019, I wasn't supposed to be there. | ||
| I actually got kicked out. | ||
| They tried to kick me out, if you remember last year. | ||
| And I have to say, this is way more fun than CPAC. | ||
| Would anybody rather be at CPAC than here? | ||
| I don't think so. | ||
| But first of all, I just want to say thanks to the National File, everybody with the National File, for hosting this. | ||
| And a big thanks, of course, to... | ||
| A big thanks to Infowars and Alex Jones for having us all here, and Alex Jones is high energy. | ||
| I know I sound like a broken record about these various small details of live performance, but it's really one of the things that interested me the most in my time doing stand-up. | ||
| There's little things that any performer can or cannot do that will have huge effects on how they're perceived by an audience. | ||
| One of the really common ones is a comic coming on stage, taking the microphone out of the stand, and casually moving the mic stand to the back of the stage. | ||
| It's a simple routine action that indicates that the performer is at ease, and they're able to control their surroundings. | ||
| But if they fail to do this simple act, they end up with a mic stand between them and the audience, obstructing the view from the crowd, which creates distance. | ||
| The comic could leave the mic in the stand, and then that's a different thing. | ||
| That's a stylistic choice. | ||
| But if you see a performer take the mic out of the stand and leave the stand there, it sends a subconscious signal that this person isn't in control of their space. | ||
| The same message is sent by a comic who concedes too easily to a heckler. | ||
| If someone in the audience yells something out, you don't have to destroy them or anything, but ignoring the comment altogether or behaving in a way that allows the audience member to score a point over you decreases your status as the center of attention and tells the audience that they're not in good hands. | ||
| They can't trust the performer to get through whatever they're about to do. | ||
| Before I even started doing stand-up, my uncle worked at a comedy club and we went in Indianapolis at Crackers and we were hanging out with the headliner after the show. | ||
| And he was just talking and he was literally, I remember this to this day, him just saying, I can tell how long a stand-up has been doing it just by how they take the mic stand out. | ||
| And it's like, that is the signal so easily. | ||
| Once you catch it, you know it. | ||
| It's a very basic thing. | ||
| I bring all this up because immediately when he got to the podium, Nick Fuentes carried himself like a guy who's in control of the situation. | ||
| He takes the stage and immediately expresses graciousness to the event, to organizers, and to Alex. | ||
| In the same way a professional comic will make a point to draw the audience's attention to the host, the other comics on the lineup, and the waitstaff, this sends an explicit message that endears you to the audience. | ||
| It's your time with the microphone, but you want to cede some of that time to give it up for the unsung people who have made this possible. | ||
| It's a very little thing, and you see it from pretty much every decent headliner at a comedy show, but Nick isn't the headliner of this event. | ||
| there's more speakers after him and literally no one else has behaved like this throughout the entire time. | ||
| Yep. | ||
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These are subtle cues that Nick is sending that he's above all, this, but he's also very magnanimous and gracious. | |
| He's acting like a celebrity drop-in performer who's grateful to do your bar show and thrilled to be there. | ||
| For my time in comedy, I would say it's the James Adomian type. | ||
| Nick Fuentes is a real piece of shit, but he's good at these things, which is really bad. | ||
| It's very troubling. | ||
| So because I felt a sense that Nick Fuentes seems to be becoming a more ascendant figure in the world of Infowars, it might be the sort of thing that spells trouble. | ||
| We've seen in the past how easily co-optable Alex and Infowars are, from Roger Stone to Robert Barnes, from all the meme assholes to whatever intern told Alex about 4chan. | ||
| He's very, very malleable. | ||
| He's suggestible. | ||
| It feels like there's a decent chance that Nick is going to become a far bigger and more prominent figure in our world than I'd like him to be. | ||
| So I figured it might be worth our time to take a little bit of a little trip. | ||
| To learn a little bit more about where this guy comes from. | ||
| Oh, goddammit. | ||
| I fucking hate him. | ||
| Right. | ||
| Well, you might be interested to learn some of this stuff then. | ||
| Okay. | ||
| So, as we know, Nick Fuentes is now a firebrand, crypto-fascist Catholic nationalist and traditionalist who prefers to sum himself up as America First. | ||
| Sure. | ||
| He was broadcasting a show by that name on YouTube until he was recently booted from the platform for repeated violations of hate speech rules. | ||
| He's become a very public shithead, and one of the things that makes him so particularly notable is that he's very young. | ||
| Nick is only 21 years old, and despite his youth and inexperience in life, he's managed following of disaffected conservative young white men who call themselves Gripers, which is apparently a reference to Pepe the Frog. | ||
| Great. | ||
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Nick got his start in the world of political broadcasting in high school. | |
| He attended Lyons Township High School in LaGrange, Illinois, which is a public school. | ||
| No shit! | ||
| He's from over here? | ||
| What a goddamn state! | ||
| That's a way to put it. | ||
| I thought I hated Indiana, and now I know that we have him? | ||
| Fuck us! | ||
| This is a public school, but it's a school that has a particular character to it. | ||
| The student body is 73% white, as opposed to the statewide average of 49%. | ||
| More notably, probably, only 14% of the students at Lyons were eligible for free lunch programs, compared to the 46% average for Illinois schools. | ||
| The indicators around this school paint a picture of an environment that Nick came into adolescence in, and it's a predominantly white and affluent environment. | ||
| Lyons Township is a school that has an offshoot television station called LTTV. | ||
| On November 5th, 2015, Nick Fuentes released the very first episode of the Nicholas J. Fuentes show on LTTV, and just a quick look at this show makes it crystal clear that high school Nick was very similar to who he is today in some ways, and very different in others. | ||
| So he was that shithead. | ||
| One thing that jumps out at you is that Nick carries himself with an almost comical level of self-importance in this high school AV class project. | ||
| He's got a suit and tie on and is sitting at a wooden table doing a political roundtable show where he discusses the big issues of the day with two other 16-year-olds he has home room with. | ||
| It's the same kind of stiff upper lip thing that you can see today in his speech at Alex's event. | ||
| Any normal person would not be able to carry on the illusion that what they're doing has any meaning at all. | ||
| But Nick Soldier's forward. | ||
| He's committed to being taken seriously, so he'll take a dumb conversation about the 2016 Republican primary with his high school friends as seriously as he would if he were hosting the McNeil Lair Hour. | ||
| And he'll pretend that he's glad to be speaking at a quarter-full ballroom with a bunch of losers and Alex drunkenly interrupting everyone. | ||
| You can see that this is a skill that he's had. | ||
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Yeah. | |
| Putting on a brave face. | ||
| Yeah, he's got chops. | ||
| But some things are very different. | ||
| Here is the opening moments from Nick's first show, again, from November 5th, 2015. | ||
| I don't hate immigrants! | ||
| This is where he describes his political ideology. | ||
| Hello, everybody. | ||
| I am Nicholas J. Fuentes. | ||
| You're watching the Nicholas J. Fuentes Show. | ||
| Since this is our first episode, I thought I'd offer a brief introduction. | ||
| I am a libertarian with a small L, a Republican, and a constitutionalist. | ||
| So you can see that he identifies as a libertarian. | ||
| Flash forward to the present day, and here's what he said along with Milo Yiannopoulos when he recently did an interview with him about libertarians. | ||
| who have given up on trying to come up with a worthwhile solution to fix civilization and society. | ||
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I mean, I've So that's changed, for sure. | |
| People grow up, though, and their ideologies can go from believing a thing, and then a little while later they agree with a sad, washed-up propagandist saying that people who believe that same thing are the worst. | ||
| That does happen. | ||
| That's not too wild. | ||
| Who among us hasn't said Head to Milo Yiannopoulos. | ||
| Whatever you think is right, bro. | ||
| So clearly something happened with Nick after November 5th, 2015 that changed him. | ||
| Was it 9-11? | ||
| No. | ||
| It's hard to say. | ||
| He's not Dennis Miller. | ||
| It's hard to say exactly what that thing was. | ||
| I needed to learn more, so I watched these high school shows of his, and I have to say that they're pretty eye-opening. | ||
| His first episode was a breakdown of the candidates in the 2016 primaries. | ||
| He's in favor of Ted Cruz and Rand Paul, which makes sense for a weirdo conservative type, but all that's way less important than his stance on Donald Trump. | ||
| Now everyone's been talking about the Trump phenomenon, and it is important and historic. | ||
| What you have to consider about Donald Trump is that he's not an ideologue. | ||
| He is an opportunist. | ||
| He's not a conservative, and it doesn't matter what he is, because all he wants is power. | ||
| Now it's clear that he's not a conservative. | ||
| If you look at any history of him on the issues, he's been pro-abortion, he's been anti-property rights, he's pro-protectionism in this election, his immigration policy resembles Patrick So who does that sound like? | ||
| Sounds a whole lot like Alex Jones talking about Trump in the summer of 2015. | ||
| Alex phrased it more in terms of Trump being a corrupt mobster who's only out for himself, but Nick is pretty close to that theme with his pointing out that Trump is an opportunist who's only interested in power. | ||
| Scratch beneath the surface of the current-day fringe Trump supporters, and you'll often find them clearly expressing that Trump is a piece of shit you can't trust back in 2015. | ||
| Yeah, it's funny how you change whenever somebody wins the ring, you know? | ||
| Lindsey Graham, oh, he was so against Trump. | ||
| He was against him! | ||
| Nick talks a little bit more about Trump's candidacy in this next clip, again from this 2015 video. | ||
| Now, Donald Trump is doing so well because he appeals to the Republicans, not in fighting the Democrats, but in fighting the establishment. | ||
| We haven't fought The Democrats since 2012, since Mitt Romney ran against Barack Obama. | ||
| Since then, the Republicans have not been fighting the Democrats, but other Republicans, rhinos, Republicans in name only. | ||
| And Donald Trump has served a very important function in breaking the monopoly of John Boehner, of Paul Ryan, of Rens Priebus, and having people of, by, and for the people they were intended to represent. | ||
| Now, having said that, Donald Trump has served his function. | ||
| His time is over. | ||
| It's time for serious candidates. | ||
| Let the adults talk, Donald. | ||
| We don't need the exclamatory phrases, the borderline racist remarks. | ||
| Now we need real candidates. | ||
| In 2015, even Nick Fuentes could recognize that the things that Trump was saying were racist. | ||
| It's a sliding scale, so to Nick they might be borderline racist, but that's still saying a lot, considering some of the stuff Nick says these days. | ||
| Like the time in 2019 when he spent a chunk of his show expounding on his love of saying the N-word. | ||
| So, it turns out that in 2019, saying the N-word is a revolutionary act. | ||
| I'm a proponent of it. | ||
| You know, I say it freely, openly. | ||
| I won't say it in this show because I don't want to get banned right now. | ||
| I don't want to get banned. | ||
| I don't want this to become a clip or anything, but saying the N-word is truly a revolutionary act. | ||
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He's a fighter. | |
| Let's stop pretending that it's about anything more than it's funny and it's cool to say. | ||
| That's who I want to lead me. | ||
| Sure. | ||
| So, interestingly, from that last clip about Trump, you can see that Nick has recognized the value of Trump sticking it to the Republican establishment, but that job is done at that point, in November 2015. | ||
| He doesn't serve any further purpose, really, and he needs to step aside so adult, real candidates like Ted Cruz can come front and center. | ||
| At this point, it really seems clear that he's not the same Nick Fuentes from an ideological perspective. | ||
| He's expressing a disapproval of Trump's racist language. | ||
| He recognizes him as a con man, and he resents that he's taking attention away from real conservative candidates that he wants to see win. | ||
| There are little flickers of anti-Jewish inclinations, you know, that you later fully embrace, but they're subtle. | ||
| And even honestly, they're debatable in this old clip. | ||
| Like this one weird aside he has when he's talking about Ben Carson's tax proposal. | ||
| Now, having said that, his platform is also important in that it barely exists. | ||
| The only thing that he's offered up is a tax plan, a 10% tithing program, which resembles the Old Testament. | ||
| It's hard to say if that was even a dig on the Old Testament. | ||
| It's tough to say. | ||
| That is tough. | ||
| If it weren't Nick Fuentes, I honestly wouldn't even be that suspicious at all. | ||
| No, I really wouldn't. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| My point is that for the most part, this dude just seems like a kind of a trying-too-hard, taking-himself-too-seriously young conservative. | ||
| Yeah, he's Reese Witherspoon. | ||
| Sure. | ||
| In election or whatever it is. | ||
| I thought that this glimpse into Nick's roots was fascinating because although I definitely disagreed with most of the stuff he was saying in that video from a political perspective, it's a completely different person than the one we've seen as the leader of the America First Gropers. | ||
| It's a completely different person than the guy who would jokingly dabble in Holocaust denial while hiding behind calling murdered Jews cookies. | ||
| Something happened. | ||
| That changed Nick dramatically. | ||
| And I can guarantee that it happened prior to April 2016. | ||
| On April 6th, 2016, Nick released episode 6 of the Nicholas J. Fuentes show, in which he debated a fellow high schooler about Donald Trump. | ||
| By this point, Nick had completely changed his position, and he was fully on board with the Trump candidacy, which seems weird. | ||
| In this clip, Nick explains that Trump would be a good president, because Trump demonstrates how we can't even have a debate about hot-button issues in this country anymore. | ||
| I support Ted Cruz. | ||
| He's my first pick, but I think Donald Trump will be good for America. | ||
| And the reason I think that is because you can't have the debate in this country anymore. | ||
| And I've experienced this this entire week in my economics class. | ||
| I brought up how the gender wage gap is a myth and that the statistics don't support it. | ||
| I was called names. | ||
| I was shouted down. | ||
| My statistics were ripped up. | ||
| So Nick clearly read some anti-feminist, anti-SJW blogs and brought that business into his econ class, and it didn't go well. | ||
| And now it's clear that the Bolsheviks are in charge of public education. | ||
| Sure. | ||
| I'm going to go out on a limb and assume that his high school economics class wasn't even covering the wage gap, because the complexity of that issue from an actual econ perspective is kind of outside the scope of public education in high school. | ||
| There was supply, and then there was demand. | ||
| Those two, I recall. | ||
| I wouldn't be surprised if Nick just got a bad response trying to argue against a position no one was... | ||
| But it goes on to discuss what made him turn the corner on Trump. | ||
| And it's really weird. | ||
| You look at any other discussion, even when Donald Trump brings up that in his announcement speech, he said that Mexico was sending their criminals, their rapists, their drugs, whatever. | ||
| And the first response was racist. | ||
| He's a racist. | ||
| Shut him down. | ||
| Never mind the discussion on illegal immigration. | ||
| Never mind the policy proposals. | ||
| If you break down what he actually said and the syntax of it. | ||
| It wasn't racist. | ||
| But that didn't matter. | ||
| That clip is fascinating because Nick is saying in April 2016, that's when he's saying these things. | ||
| But in November 2015, he was saying of Trump that, quote, we don't need the borderline racist remarks. | ||
| But now he's mad that other people, presumably the evil left, they take Trump's comments and call them racist. | ||
| Weird. | ||
| And then there's the further point, where Nick is saying that people just say Trump's comments are racist without addressing Trump's point about immigration. | ||
| But back in 2015, Nick himself addressed Trump's policies about immigration, saying, quote, his immigration policy resembles Patrick Starr's. | ||
| We're going to take the immigrants and push them somewhere else? | ||
| It's ridiculous. | ||
| Nick himself rejected the immigration talk that was supposedly behind the comments that were being called racist, and he himself had deemed Trump's commentary to be borderline racist mere months earlier. | ||
| It's weird. | ||
| He is, it is so much, like, this makes it clear exactly what this kid is. | ||
| He's like a creation of the feedback loop. | ||
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Yep. | |
| Like, this is a kid who was only, like, at 15 or 16 or whatever, he's clearly mimicking the fucking line. | ||
| He's got the line from the GOP TV. | ||
| Not from the GOP TV. | ||
| I think from the fringe. | ||
| Oh, prior. | ||
| He's got the line from the 2015. | ||
| Then the line changed from the GOP to, we gotta defeat Hillary. | ||
| He's created, he's swept up in this. | ||
| This is the feedback loop. | ||
| And then he finds the one spot where he can exploit the feedback loop. | ||
| And this guy is like, he's like the fucking ghost in the shell. | ||
| Like, he was created within the feedback loop. | ||
| He's nothing. | ||
| It does feel like that. | ||
| And I think we'll get even stronger indications of that by looking a little bit more. | ||
| Yeah, he's empty. | ||
| So the other high school student in this debate is not a liberal. | ||
| He's another young conservative. | ||
| He began the debate by appealing to Milton Friedman. | ||
| If that gives you any idea of whether or not he's wearing a tie. | ||
| All right. | ||
| These are the cool kids. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| This kid actually comes off pretty well, even though I disagree with some of his conclusions. | ||
| I'm not going to beat him up too much. | ||
| He's a fucking high schooler. | ||
| And he's insanely annoying. | ||
| I don't know. | ||
| I think he has some pretty decent points about, like, we shouldn't do this. | ||
| You shouldn't vote for Trump. | ||
| That's a ridiculous thing to do. | ||
| That's fair. | ||
| So the other guy, he tries to explain to Nick that it's clear that Trump appeals to Nick because he's an insurgent, but he's a bad kind of insurgent. | ||
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What I'm talking about is what he's saying is not going to be good for America. | |
| What he says is that he tweeted the other day a picture side-by-side of his wife and Ted Cruz's wife. | ||
| I mean, if this is the standard of what we're putting... | ||
| You want an insurgent, but this isn't the insurgency I think you want, Nick. | ||
| Absolutely it is. | ||
| Absolutely it is. | ||
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Nick, I wish you were sitting in my chair to look at you and see how ignorant you're being right now. | |
| Really? | ||
| That's not an argument. | ||
| That's an ad hominem. | ||
| You can tell a couple of important things from that clip. | ||
| Nick sucks. | ||
| Well, put that on the board as number one. | ||
| In the episode from November, Nick was against Trump because he wasn't being a serious candidate, like his first choice, Ted Cruz. | ||
| Now, in April, apparently the desire for seriousness is gone, and it's totally cool for Trump to tweet about how his wife is hotter than Ted Cruz's wife. | ||
| The qualification for a candidate needing to be serious has been abandoned. | ||
| The second thing you can see from that clip is Nick's quip, quote, that's not an argument, that's an ad hominem. | ||
| This sort of talk was very popular in the right-wing circles of the internet around this time when debating had taken on a bit of a pugilistic character. | ||
| It probably didn't start with him, but Stefan Molyneux definitely had a big part in popularizing philosophy language, being deployed by people who didn't really understand the terms. | ||
| And they would use it to deflect any criticism of their positions or what they're doing by calling it an ad hominem attack. | ||
| Not an argument. | ||
| That's criticism that's ex post facto, Dan. | ||
| It doesn't count. | ||
| Right. | ||
| That's what that means. | ||
| A priori, I disagree. | ||
| A priori. | ||
| This is a little bit of a clue to me that Nick might have been spending some time in those types of online communities. | ||
| The third and most important thing here is that the other guy and Nick are friends. | ||
| That was established earlier in the debate, so when he's saying that he wishes Nick could see him from his seat, he's expressing a feeling that this position Nick is taking is foreign. | ||
| This is a person who knows you, saying, you've changed, and I wish you could see things from outside yourself. | ||
| A lot of this conversation surrounds the difference of opinion about how electing Trump would lead to the international community thinking we're a bunch of dumb-dumb idiots who would elect someone like Trump. | ||
| That's discussed in this next clip, and I think it really reveals a ton of where Nick is coming from. | ||
| Here's what I don't care for. | ||
| I don't think that we should elect a president based on what the British Parliament will find distasteful in their opinion. | ||
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You don't care about what our oldest ally thinks of us? | |
| Oh, Israel? | ||
| Or the UK? | ||
| I don't care because, here's why. | ||
| The UK and Europe have taken a course that is different from America's. | ||
| It's a course which America has not confronted the crossroads yet. | ||
| Or at least, it might be too far gone, it might not be. | ||
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But Europe has decided to take the road of multiculturalism. | |
| And they've decided to embrace Islam and other cultures. | ||
| And not even, I won't even say Islam, because, again, I don't want to offend moderate Muslims. | ||
| But when you see what they're importing from the Middle East, from Yemen, from Somalia, and you see... | ||
| You know, what happened in Cologne on New Year's. | ||
| You see what happened in Brussels, what happened in Paris. | ||
| You see the no-go zones across France, Germany, and Belgium. | ||
| You see that Sweden has become the number two country in rapes per capita because of refugees from Yemen and from Somalia and Eritrea. | ||
| And you understand that Europe is not America. | ||
| They have forsaken their culture, and that will be to their demise. | ||
| We can't let that happen here. | ||
| You can see so much from that clip. | ||
| All that multicultural anxiety, the Muslims coming into Europe, all that was absent from his consideration of candidates back in November, but now it's front and center. | ||
| Seems really important now. | ||
| Incidentally, those were exactly the red pill talking points that were making the rounds in the online fringe right-wing communities, most of them complete misrepresentations of statistics packaged in such a way so they could be useful to help young white men argue aggressively against multiculturalism. | ||
| To put it simply, Nick just sounds like a guy who read a bunch of 4chan and changed his whole... | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| You can see another thing here, too. | ||
| That jab at Israel that you responded to. | ||
| Ugh. | ||
| Fuck you. | ||
| How dare? | ||
| I'm 32. I'm not going to be lectured about. | ||
| Fuck off. | ||
| So the thing about the Old Testament and his November video, you know, being close to Ben Carson's tax plan, that was debatable. | ||
| But this one is not. | ||
| No. | ||
| That's clearly an indication of anti-Israel sentiment, which is also a primary element of the extreme online rights rhetoric. | ||
| As this conversation goes on, it's just one alt-right meme after another. | ||
| I think even you, as someone who hasn't spent a lot of time studying this stuff, I think you'll be able to pick out a couple in this clip. | ||
| You think that if America, and this is a problem, and I hesitate to call you this, but I will define this culture from the establishment and from these moderate Republicans and from the conservatives, they are cuck-servatives. | ||
| I got B24. | ||
| The boldness. | ||
| They don't want to reassert American and Western culture as superior, which it is. | ||
| I got 0-9. | ||
| Yep. | ||
| Sunk his shit. | ||
| The cuck insult and cuckservative was really hot in specific communities around this time, particularly the cuckservative form. | ||
| And Nick pulling it out in this conversation is a signifier of the places he's hanging out. | ||
| It's just a forensic fingerprint. | ||
| The same goes for the open and explicit rhetoric about the West being superior to other cultures. | ||
| That was a fundamental piece of the online far right at this point in time, and the more Nick talks, the more clear it is that he's just rattling off lingo that he learned from his cool new edgy online friends. | ||
| I think at this point, it seems pretty hard for me to get away from the conclusion that between November 2015 and April 2016, Nick Fuentes was hanging out in some real edgy right-wing communities online, and as the kids say, he got red-pilled. | ||
| He's using all the new cool lingo, he's repeating popular talking points from alt-right communities around this time, his friend is indicating that he's changed. | ||
| Like, Nick is a complete asshole now, so it's often easy to lose sight of the fact that he's 21. So in 2015, he was 16 years old. | ||
| I wonder why so many of these people constantly report losing friends and family whenever you see a wonderful young man calling his friend a coxervative. | ||
| I can't imagine why they would lose friends and family. | ||
| Seems strange. | ||
| It seems odd. | ||
| It must be because the media is against... | ||
| Probably the Bolsheviks running the media or whatever. | ||
| That sounds right. | ||
| As far as I can tell from these snapshots and an awareness of what was going on at the time, it's hard for me not to see Nick Fuentes as a conservative kid who bought into the extreme right propaganda he was being fed in the form of edgy memes when he was an impressionable 16-year-old who didn't have the emotional maturity to handle it. | ||
| The only thing that really distinguishes him in any way from any other angry kid who just harasses people online anonymously is that Nick is blessed with talent. | ||
| As much as he sucks on so many levels, it would be pointlessly dishonest for me to pretend that he doesn't have an almost startling level of competence, even back in those high school videos. | ||
| He's slick and he's quick on his feet. | ||
| He's able to bluff a decent argument out of nowhere or come up with a deflection to an argument that he doesn't want to have. | ||
| Nick is a piece of shit, and he's fully responsible for the positions that he puts into the world now, and none of what I feel about him changes that. | ||
| But I'll never really be able to take him too seriously, because at the end of the day, he's just a kid who got radicalized and just so happened to have the talent and skills required to transition into being a cult leader himself. | ||
| And honestly, it's more sad than anything else. | ||
| There was clearly something he desperately needed prior to April 2016, and that had nothing to do with misrepresented European crime stats. | ||
| He probably always had a little bit of that racist shithead vibe in him, but the way that the Trump campaign and the online world surrounding it changed the definitions of what was acceptable to advocate clearly did a number on him. | ||
| Nick is not the first of this sort, and he won't be the last. | ||
| The only really notable thing about him right now is that he's more talented than these idiots like Baked Alaska or Laura Loomer. | ||
| And because he's figured out this novel strategy, that's really what makes him notable. | ||
| He's figured out this strategy, and I think that it's maybe a hundred times more effective than the things employed by Richard Spencer. | ||
| By attacking right-wing scammers from the right, he's essentially repeating the parts that made the Tea Party successful. | ||
| Just this time, he doesn't have to deal with Glenn Beck crying all over the place about his nine principles and eleven rules or whatever. | ||
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Yeah, yeah, yeah. | |
| So when he... | ||
| Wait, wasn't it 9-12? | ||
| Oh, yes, it was. | ||
| Sorry. | ||
| What a fucking moron. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| I can't believe we all lived with that. | ||
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It was weird. | |
| That was fine. | ||
| That was weird. | ||
| We just were fine with that. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| So this strategy that he's employing of attacking things like Turning Point USA and Ben Shapiro from the right by presenting his group as the real conservatives. | ||
| Right. | ||
| And what does real conservative mean? | ||
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Well... | |
| Whatever I wanted to mean. | ||
| It basically is crypto-Catholic fascism. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| With a bunch of other wrinkles to it. | ||
| So you have that, but that's a really good strategy because, I mean, there's a whole bunch of elements to why it's a good strategy. | ||
| These people cannot fight you. | ||
| For one. | ||
| Second, the people who would be opposed to you. | ||
| for the most part, are going to leave you alone when you're attacking Charlie Kirk. | ||
| Hey, go for it. | ||
| Let them fight. | ||
| That's going to be the reaction that a lot of people have. | ||
| They'll think it's funny that there's this internecine fight between these fringe right-wing groups and never pay the attention that would be required in order to treat you like you deserve to be treated, which is a sad 16-year-old boy. | ||
| Who went online and found some shit you shouldn't have. | ||
| No, clearly his talent is mimicry. | ||
| From that first video, you did not hear anything but a kid who was channeling. | ||
| But well. | ||
| He was doing it well. | ||
| Very well. | ||
| He's a really, really good mimic. | ||
| Even now, I don't know what or if he believes anything. | ||
| Because I don't know what or if any of these people believe anything. | ||
| Yeah, it's hard to say. | ||
| If they're on the gripped side, it could go any direction. | ||
| I have some feelings about that. | ||
| I think he's more sincere in some of his positions. | ||
| Well, that's what worries me. | ||
| Right, and me too. | ||
| And because of how corruptible and influenceable Alex and Infowars are, and the way that the Groypers have clearly... | ||
| Voiced support of Owen. | ||
| And they're growing in strength. | ||
| I don't know. | ||
| I don't know if they're growing in strength. | ||
| If they cannibalize Turning Point, then yeah, they're growing in strength. | ||
| And an ideologue that believes the bullshit he's spewing is dangerous. | ||
| It feels like there's less of a grift element to it than other things, and that's just because as far as I can tell, I don't see branding from Nick. | ||
| I don't see him selling pills or buckets. | ||
| I don't see ads. | ||
| He's not a good grifter. | ||
| He's a good mimic. | ||
| He's mimicking the grifters, but he's forgetting the grift part. | ||
| That's what he's fucking up. | ||
| There could be some dark money somewhere, but I don't necessarily know if that's the case. | ||
| I would assume because he's talked about it in interviews before, how he lives with his parents in the suburbs of Chicago. | ||
| Those poor, poor bastards. | ||
| He doesn't have a lot of expenses. | ||
| Or they're complicit in this whole nightmare. | ||
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Could be. | |
| I have no idea. | ||
| But he doesn't have a ton of overhead necessarily to what he needs to do. | ||
| And so until he got kicked off YouTube, I'm pretty sure that based on the audience that he had, he wasn't demonetized until fairly soon before he got kicked off. | ||
| So he was probably making a pretty good amount of money from that and then whatever donations might be coming in. | ||
| I could see him being fully self-sustainable without having to do too much grift. | ||
| Yeah, for sure. | ||
| Whereas people like Alex have overexerted themselves and there's too much sunk money. | ||
| They got too used to the grift. | ||
| Right, right. | ||
| And so they're beholden to it in a way that someone like, Yeah, absolutely. | ||
| I wanted to get into that a little bit because I think it's interesting. | ||
| When you see the way that Nick has come back on Alex's show, Alex immediately was like, we need to get you to this rally. | ||
| The way the audience is largely Nick's fans and the way he's carrying himself in charge. | ||
| He is... | ||
| So confident there that that's going to rub off a bit. | ||
| I felt it was worthwhile to take a little look at some of these earlier times things. | ||
| Because the picture of him is incomplete if you don't recognize that most of this philosophy is born out of this online radicalization that he clearly was subject to when he was too young to handle it. | ||
| And like what you're saying, I think what you said is right on. | ||
| It's the mimicry aspect. | ||
| In 2015, you're mimicking the mainstream GOP, talking about, like, hey, Ben Carson's the leader in the clubhouse, and Rand Paul is great conservative, but I don't know if it's going anywhere. | ||
| Very, very much that. | ||
| And then when you get exposed to the online extreme stuff, you start mimicking that, and then you become it. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| I almost see him like a fucking... | ||
| He's almost like an empty vessel now that I've... | ||
| The more that I go through listening to all of that shit, all I see is him just writing this rage, this inexplicable rage, and it doesn't come from him. | ||
| Well, it does. | ||
| There's something. | ||
| There's a pain, for sure. | ||
| 100%. | ||
| You don't become a 21-year-old psychopath without some pain somewhere along the line. | ||
| It's almost like he's just the avatar for these people. | ||
| It has nothing to do with him. | ||
| It's not self-generated. | ||
| And when that rage is dissipated, they won't stick with Nick. | ||
| They won't stay with him. | ||
| Probably not. | ||
| If that rage is dissipated. | ||
| I don't think that this has... | ||
| Because he doesn't have any actual talent other than mimicking the... | ||
| I mean, maybe he'd be perfect as a political hack on... | ||
| Fox News or whatever. | ||
| He'd be great at it. | ||
| To the extent that you exist solely as this thing that is just a mirror and a reamplification of other things that you take in, I think that as you get older and grow up, you can learn to shift that. | ||
| Oh, for sure. | ||
| For sure. | ||
| And I think that's one of the things that you need to worry about is him metastasizing into being the mimic that becomes sentient or whatever. | ||
| I mean, it's like any... | ||
| Comics starting out, you know, the first thing you're doing is basically stealing somebody else's persona. | ||
| Almost universally. | ||
| Yeah, yeah, yeah. | ||
| And then you create, you know, unless you're fucking Eddie Murphy. | ||
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Right. | |
| But even then, he was stealing other people. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| But, like, I just, I really thought, coming into this from so many of these interactions with Nick Fuentes' work, that he was something more than what I see him as now. | ||
| Which is... | ||
| And empty. | ||
| He's empty to me. | ||
| He's just empty. | ||
| In the same way a lot of these people are who just mirror back the prepackaged talking points. | ||
| Oh, for sure. | ||
| Everybody, all these right-wing people are like, we don't use talking points because we don't get MSNBC, you know, whatever. | ||
| Following the talking point that they're all saying. | ||
| We don't use talking points because we're not on TV. | ||
| They take away the fact that the talking points they're getting are self-generating in the online spaces that these things come from. | ||
| They're congealing more than anything else. | ||
| I've listened to a ton of his debates and his speeches and some of his shows. | ||
| And what it is, is that. | ||
| It is largely regurgitation, but super competent. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| Like, he's very slick. | ||
| He seems like a nice guy. | ||
| That's so annoying. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| What a monster. | ||
| So, we'll get back to his speech here. | ||
| And he starts off with an interesting question that I have the answer for. | ||
| Okay. | ||
| But it is very exciting. | ||
| You know, I look at this room here. | ||
| We've got Alex. | ||
| We've got Owen. | ||
| We've got Gavin. | ||
| We've got a lot of big names. | ||
| And I think to myself, like, why haven't we done this sooner? | ||
| What a wonderful... | ||
| Nick poses an interesting question there. | ||
| Like, why haven't we done this sooner? | ||
| Because we fucking have! | ||
| From a logistical perspective, I have no idea why they haven't. | ||
| But as an external observer, I would say that this entire show, up till this point, has been a pretty solid argument for why it hasn't happened. | ||
| Fringe weirdo congressional candidates trying to lock up the fringe weirdo vote. | ||
| Scammers trying to Trojan horse a fundraising scheme into a speech. | ||
| Alex getting progressively more problematically drunk. | ||
| I think the argument for not doing this show is pretty well spelled out by doing the show. | ||
| I have no idea why these people weren't invited to CPAP. | ||
| I mean, we talk about Alex's toxic views so much, but... | ||
| You can't have Alex at CPAC just because he's going to try and fuck up the show! | ||
| Sure. | ||
| You know? | ||
| Like, even if Alex was a regular old middle-of-the-road... | ||
| Moderate Republican. | ||
| He's still going to get drunk and wander up on stage and try and do a show at you. | ||
| True, true, true. | ||
| So, in this next clip, Nick talks about how his recent ban from YouTube makes him part of the band club. | ||
| But tonight, I wanted to talk a little bit about censorship. | ||
| This is, after all, the emergency First Amendment summit. | ||
| We have rallied and gathered here for the last minute to discuss what's happening. | ||
| And as you may know, this is something that has touched me very recently because I was banned off of YouTube on Valentine's Day. | ||
| Yeah, you may remember this. | ||
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Still a little bit sore. | |
| Still hurts a little bit. | ||
| I mean, we all knew it was coming for years, but when it finally hits you, I was just talking to Owen and some of the guys from Infowars. | ||
| They said, you know, you're finally part of the banned club, banned from social media. | ||
| I'm glad to be a part of that, right? | ||
| But it does show that you're doing something right. | ||
| Here again, we see that insidious mindset of thinking that consequences equal virtue. | ||
| Nick has been banned from YouTube, thus it must mean that he was doing something right, which is just bad reasoning no matter how you slice it. | ||
| That mentality is ubiquitous in this group because it's a crutch. | ||
| More importantly, I want to draw your attention to the fact that Nick Fuentes called this the Emergency First Amendment Summit. | ||
| That is the official name of this event, and he is literally the first speaker to recognize that. | ||
| It does seem like that. | ||
| He is slick. | ||
| He gets on stage and thanks the people that are putting on the event. | ||
| He uses the name of the event. | ||
| In contrast to how everyone else has demonstrated a complete ignorance of or a disrespect for the normal etiquette of performance, Nick has nailed almost every little piece of it. | ||
| He's good at this! | ||
| And that's how he's able to get away with a lot of the stuff that he does. | ||
| Because he's overly competent in many of the subtle social signifiers like pretending to be humble and being appreciative. | ||
| It makes up for a lot. | ||
| This episode is, one, a great way of skewering right-wing propaganda and laughing at ridiculous people. | ||
| Sure. | ||
| And also is a perfect blueprint for how to run a show. | ||
| If you're listening to this and you're running your show and if you are making any of these fucking mistakes, there you go. | ||
| We fixed your fucking show for you. | ||
| Low-key, I might have been like... | ||
| This is personal for you. | ||
| This is 100% personal for you. | ||
| I care about show production. | ||
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I know! | |
| I know! | ||
| This is something that we have talked about a lot. | ||
| I'm no Todd Glass, but I have a lot of thoughts. | ||
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All right. | |
| All you need is one red curtain behind you. | ||
| So Nick talks about this fact that he's been banned. | ||
| What if that was a joke? | ||
| Stop it. | ||
| Nick talks about how he's been banned from YouTube, and now that proves that he is not controlled opposition. | ||
| It's interesting, for a long time, there is maybe a silver lining to being banned from YouTube. | ||
| For the longest time, people used to tell me that I was controlled opposition because I wasn't banned from YouTube. | ||
| They would say, why are you on YouTube still? | ||
| Doesn't that show that you're still part of the system? | ||
| But thankfully, now I can tell you, being banned off of YouTube, no, I can't confirm I'm not a part of the system. | ||
| So that's a cute joke, but the fact that Nick was still on YouTube wasn't the main sticking point for people who accused him of being controlled opposition. | ||
| What was that? | ||
| It was the fact that he was not banned from Twitter. | ||
| And in fact, his Twitter account is verified. | ||
| Really? | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| In this interview that he did with Milo Yiannopoulos, you can hear him joking about that here. | ||
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So when you're a Fed, you're still verified on Twitter. | |
| It's true, it's true. | ||
| The only explanation. | ||
| I flash my badge, I go to Twitter HQ. | ||
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Who are the people still on Twitter? | |
| David Duke, Richard Spencer, and you. | ||
| Yeah, but I have my blue checkmark. | ||
| I think it's my last name. | ||
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It's true. | |
| I'm a gray alien. | ||
| I work for NASA. | ||
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I can feel you glowing from here. | |
| This was a light-hearted thing, and it came in the form of ribbing, but it's at least the second time in the first 20 minutes of that interview with Milo that a joke about Nick being controlled opposition because he's still on Twitter came up. | ||
| As of this recording, Nick is still verified on Twitter. | ||
| Well, that's because they're trying to... | ||
| Wait, what? | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| Oh, no. | ||
| So I think you can tell from this next clip that this audience is pretty heavily Nick's fans. | ||
| You can hear them responding like how an audience would to a performer in a way that these other people are not. | ||
| And I think it's... | ||
| So, obviously, if you're in that room and you're Alex or you're anybody else, you recognize... | ||
| This guy has taken over our event. | ||
| Oh, yeah. | ||
| The audience is clearly on his side, whether or not he has won them over or they came because of him. | ||
| He is, I mean, to use the word that he used in that high school debate, he's cucking out this event. | ||
| Yeah, that's true. | ||
| Alex hasn't interrupted him. | ||
| Wait for it. | ||
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Okay. | |
| Hey, all right. | ||
| It will come. | ||
| I was wondering, because Alex has got to take power back somehow. | ||
| It's true, and he does. | ||
| Nick starts talking about this free speech stuff and how the... | ||
| Republicans and the GOP, they don't really care about free speech. | ||
| Yeah, but neither is he. | ||
| Sure. | ||
| But he has a really interesting take on this, and it's actually probably a decent point to some extent, but it's also really scary to hear someone like him using it. | ||
| All right. | ||
| We know that at one point in time, the left was in favor of free speech. | ||
| We remember during the anti-war Vietnam protests, we remember that Berkeley was supposedly the birthplace of free speech on the college campus. | ||
| And now they've turned against free speech. | ||
| Why is that? | ||
| We all know why that is. | ||
| Because free speech is a tool that benefits dissidents. | ||
| Now that the left is in power, they have no need for free speech. | ||
| Free speech is the means through which dissidents challenge their institutional power in the establishment. | ||
| They were outside of power and they supported free speech. | ||
| Now they are inside in power and they are against free speech. | ||
| And a similar thing actually has happened on the right. | ||
| I don't know if I agree with some of the finer points of Nick's assessment here, but I want to leave all that aside and focus on this very important point. | ||
| It's something that makes Nick super dangerous. | ||
| Nick is completely aware that the authoritarians of the past have used bullshit free speech whining to weasel their way into public spaces. | ||
| He knows that George Lincoln Rockwell, the founder of the American Nazi Party, used debates about free speech as a tool to mainstream and normalize his bigoted ideology, as if pretty much every extreme right-wing fuck ever since. | ||
| I'm not sure he's right about the left using free speech to take over power after the 60s considering it after a 1969, there wasn't a Democrat in the presidency other than the very ineffectual one term of Jimmy Carter until Bill Clinton took office in 1993. | ||
| From 1969 to 1993, Democrats were only in the presidency four out of the 24 years, which, if you're paying attention, means Republicans were in power 20 of the 24 years. | ||
| Now, but... | ||
| The left is in control now, obviously. | ||
| Obviously, we can see that it's the left who's the right way. | ||
| Well, I mean, Alex has already said that Breitbart's a leftist publication. | ||
| See, there we go. | ||
| We're all Nazis. | ||
| What's interesting is that Nick seems to be wanting to have his cake and eat it, too, in this clip. | ||
| On the one hand, he seems to be completely exposing the game and saying that everyone just pretends to be into free speech, but it's really just a means for them to get power. | ||
| On the other hand, he seems to be still insinuating that he, unlike the Democrats and Republicans, is the one who actually cares about free speech. | ||
| And if he were to rise to power, he would be the only one who wouldn't immediately forget about the issue. | ||
| This is an impressive level of cynicism, but I also think that it could be dangerously effective. | ||
| There are tons of disenchanted folks on the right who are sick of people like Steven Crowder and the entire flock of free speech profiteers, and it could be super appealing as a thing for them to hear on the right, to have someone on the right call out the scam for what it is. | ||
| An ideologue who believes his own bullshit is dangerous. | ||
| Granted, people like Nick are pretty selective in their targeting. | ||
| Like, he'll say people like Crowder or Ben Shapiro or Turning Point, they're scamming on free speech to gain power, but he doesn't have that same complaint about Milo Yiannopoulos or Alex Jones. | ||
| That's because he doesn't care about them being free speech con men, he's just bitter that Crowder, Shapiro, and Turning Point don't want to validate him, whereas Alex and Milo are desperate enough that they're willing to see if they can get a boost out of it. | ||
| Because people like Nick are excluded from even being given access to the right-wing mainstream, they can free themselves up to lob some pretty fairly accurate critiques of the scams of the right-wing mainstream. | ||
| To be perfectly clear, a lot of the critiques he makes are not accurate, and actually just bigotry, but this one... | ||
| That they're using free speech trolling as a means of gaining power, but they don't care about free speech? | ||
| That's a salient point. | ||
| That is a fair point that he's making, and he's free to do it. | ||
| Right. | ||
| But that's the way that we get into trouble with when the right wing starts criticizing the FBI and shit like that, where you're like... | ||
| Yeah, the FBI's fucking evil, and it would be harder to believe conspiracy theories about them if they didn't do so much evil shit. | ||
| Yeah, the CIA is fucking evil. | ||
| They didn't do this, but I get why you believe that. | ||
| How many Fred Hamptons do we have to get murdered before it's like... | ||
| I get it. | ||
| The cops are fucking evil. | ||
| I understand, but you're... | ||
| You're doing it wrong. | ||
| Right, right, right. | ||
| You're doing it wrong. | ||
| But that doesn't take away the validity of the critique itself. | ||
| No, absolutely not. | ||
| Absolutely not. | ||
| And the power that it can have as a persuasive tool. | ||
| Of course. | ||
| But here's the thing, Jordan, Nick doesn't care about free speech either. | ||
| Surprise. | ||
| Here he is expressing that very clearly in one of the episodes of his show from 2018. | ||
| You know, I was interviewed at Charlottesville as well by an InfoWars reporter, Millie Weaver. | ||
| I think Millie Weaver... | ||
| You know, she was very surprised by the Chad right. | ||
| She was very surprised by how authoritarian we were that day because she was interviewing us saying, well, don't you think everybody has the right to free speech? | ||
| And me and James Alsop were like, no. | ||
| No, they don't. | ||
| These people pose a threat to the country. | ||
| So in true fascist fashion, Nick uses the language that appeals to people. | ||
| But what his political project is working on, it's working on something entirely different. | ||
| He can show up to a First Amendment rally while holding a position that people he disagrees with politically don't have free speech rights. | ||
| This is because Nick Fuentes, at his core, is interested in creating a state that runs on Catholic fascism. | ||
| Here is a clip of him from his show America First discussing how he would join Antifa if they were supporters of Mussolini or Francisco Franco. | ||
| I had to take this clip from his interview with Milo. | ||
| So there's a little bit of laughing from Milo's friends in the background to see that doesn't distract you too much. | ||
| I don't know, man. | ||
| If Antifa were marching down the streets and they were waving the banner of Benito Mussolini or Francisco Franco, I'd be joining them, frankly. | ||
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If Antifa was waving the banner of Philanthropy, They would just be fun! | |
| I would join them. | ||
| I would become a part of Antifa. | ||
| I would welcome Antifa. | ||
| Yes, take over the country. | ||
| That sort of played for humor, and I'm sure Nick would try to weasel out of this position by saying that his show is satire or some dumb shit. | ||
| Yeah, fuck off. | ||
| But he does later in that Milo interview express the position that Catholic theocracy would be preferable to our democratic system. | ||
| But if we want to become some kind of Catholic country, I mean, I don't know. | ||
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I'm all for Catholic theocracy. | |
| I don't know how that works. | ||
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I don't think you'd hate it too much. | |
| I wouldn't, no. | ||
| It'd be preferable to what we have now. | ||
| So you can see kind of some of the things that are behind his presentation of beliefs. | ||
| Isn't that exactly the right way? | ||
| Like right now when we're talking, so many fucking right-wing op-eds are being written about the Democratic candidate that Democrats should choose. | ||
| And it's always like, well, if Antifa were pho, then I would vote for them. | ||
| Like, it's literally, if Antifa were running for a fascist, then I'd be for them. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| Like, that's exactly what we're doing right now with all of that. | ||
| Well, if the Democratic candidate would just be a Republican, we'd be voting for him, dummies. | ||
| Interesting. | ||
| So, Nick has said that, you know, he doesn't, you know, he got interviewed at Charlottesville at the Unite the Right rally by Millie Weaver, and he was talking about how these people that he disagreed with don't have free speech rights. | ||
| But he does believe in some free speech rights. | ||
| I think the First Amendment protects that kind of ridicule. | ||
| If I want to say women are dumb, if I want to say something nasty about black people, if I want to say something nasty about Jews, and why would anybody want to do that? | ||
| Listen to the smile. | ||
| That's First Amendment protected speech. | ||
| You can hear that smile. | ||
| It's less a smile as it is a wink. | ||
| You can hear it. | ||
| If I want to say something mean about Jews... | ||
| Why would anybody do that? | ||
| You guys get it? | ||
| I want to, but I'm not doing it. | ||
| Seems to me like a real guy who just doesn't like the state of Israel as opposed to not liking Jewish people. | ||
| Yeah, what a piece of shit. | ||
| Right. | ||
| So you can see that there's this conflict of I don't believe in free speech rights for people I disagree with, but free speech is an absolute necessity when it comes to me being able to say rape. | ||
| Some speech is more free than others. | ||
| But free speech isn't really encroached if you want to be hateful. | ||
| The state isn't going to step down on you at all. | ||
| This is all nonsense. | ||
| The reason the state is cracking down on dissidents who want to say things like all women are dumb and racial slurs and all that stuff is because... | ||
| What was I talking about again? | ||
| Unclear. | ||
| So you have this muddy view of what free speech means. | ||
| It's just a tool that Nick is using while at the same time being free to come to this speech and talk about how political forces use free speech as a weapon, basically. | ||
| It's very scary. | ||
| Nothing means anything. | ||
| But you also see that from these indications that he has, he's very interested in something else. | ||
| You know, he's interested in cultivating an absolute kind of power, like this Catholic fascism idea that he's expressing. | ||
| It's legitimately an authoritarian, religiously based monarchy that he would like to see come into power. | ||
| So he's not particularly interested in the subtle free speech cons being run by people like Stephen Crowder and Charlie Kirk. | ||
| Those guys aren't so much motivated in terms of bringing in an overt dictator as they are interested in marginalizing vulnerable people and making a profit off it. | ||
| Nick's political project is much broader in scope than that, so he can afford to call out the trivial game that others on the right are playing. | ||
| It doesn't hurt him at all, and it'll trick a certain amount of people into thinking that he's actually the real one who's interested in free speech. | ||
| But of course he's not, which is why it's farcical that he's here speaking at Alex's First Amendment Summit. | ||
| He doesn't believe in the First Amendment at all. | ||
| So Nick expounds on this point here that he has about free speech being in the interest of those in power. | ||
| I'm sorry, against the interest of those in power. | ||
| Yeah, yeah, yeah. | ||
| And as you were waiting for it, here comes Alex to interrupt. | ||
| All right. | ||
| All these right-wing people that say they're against censorship, they're in favor of free speech, that worked 10 years ago when they didn't have this institutional power. | ||
| But now that they've got the money and they've got the think tanks and they've got the NGOs. | ||
| And all that institutional power on their side, free speech is no longer convenient for them. | ||
| Now that they are in positions of power, they do not like the free speech that we are offering up as true conservatives. | ||
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And Nick, you're knocking it out of the park here. | |
| But I totally agree with you that I don't care what somebody says, they have a right to free speech. | ||
| And what the establishment really fears is power. | ||
| They fear human action that has that electric spark. | ||
| You've got that. | ||
| And they're scared of you. | ||
| And no matter what they do, they can't suppress you. | ||
| Because I get on air and I talk about America and freedom. | ||
| I can't believe this is allowed. | ||
| Because that's all the left's got. | ||
| Is to say somebody trying to promote freedom as a Nazi when the Nazis are a bunch of losers 70-something years ago got their ass kicked. | ||
| And so they just keep saying, no, you're a Nazi. | ||
| You're a Nazi. | ||
| You're a Nazi. | ||
| I'm like, no, I'm an American. | ||
| I'm a capitalist. | ||
| I'm an American Nazi. | ||
| And I'm not going to bow down to you. | ||
| I wasn't wearing a hat. | ||
| That's why we can talk about it all day, Nick Fuentes, how they do this. | ||
| No one buys it anymore. | ||
| You're going to almost hear a lampshade on his head. | ||
| That's crazy. | ||
| Is there catering here? | ||
| Pink elephants? | ||
| Oh, I gotta get rid of this bottle. | ||
| I don't know how to put this more bluntly than Alex has no idea what point Nick Fuentes is making. | ||
| None. | ||
| He's drunk, and at this point, he seems to think that he's doing his show as opposed to being at a summit of invited speakers. | ||
| He's not paying attention, and he just interrupts Nick to get his talking points in, which is embarrassing. | ||
| Nick is expressing a very interesting dynamic. | ||
| Which is that free speech is not in the interest of those controlling power, particularly when their primary reason to pursue power is to gain more power or hold on to that which they have. | ||
| It's one of the main reasons that the First Amendment is there and why we need this freedom to be considered sacrosanct in our culture. | ||
| Because if it wasn't, and true free speech rules were up to the whims of random elected politicians and officials, They probably have been gone long ago. | ||
| It's important. | ||
| The whole thing was in response to that fucking king being a dick. | ||
| I don't think Alex even understands the point that Nick is making. | ||
| You can hear Nick say, here he comes, in the background when Alex comes up on stage. | ||
| There's a real tone of judgment to it. | ||
| He's not excited that Alex is interrupting him, but you know what? | ||
| Nick is the only speaker, other than Mike Flynn Jr., who doesn't end up responding to Alex interrupting them with the archetypal cop-out. | ||
| It's impossible to follow Alex Jones. | ||
| It's not impossible for Nick. | ||
| Because to him, Alex is an embarrassing fool who's just useful at this point. | ||
| It's very possible to follow him. | ||
| I have followed many embarrassing drunks in my day. | ||
| It has not been that hard to follow them. | ||
| Especially when you brought the crowd. | ||
| It's very simple. | ||
| He doesn't have to do that. | ||
| Oh, look at Alex. | ||
| Isn't this fun? | ||
| He doesn't have to do that. | ||
| So Nick wants to complain a little bit about CPAC, which is fair, I guess. | ||
| He's not welcome there. | ||
| Do you know what they're calling this year's CPAC conference? | ||
| SuckPack. | ||
| That's right. | ||
| The theme this year, and it's not a parody, it's not a joke, the theme for them this year is America vs. | ||
| Socialism. | ||
| And to me, that says it all. | ||
| What they want us to do for the next 50 years is to relitigate the Cold War and fight this argument, America vs. | ||
| Socialism. | ||
| They want control of the dialectic, of the conversation between the two poles. | ||
| The right as defined by hamburgers, capitalism, and on the other side, socialism. | ||
| I guess I'll wrap it up here. | ||
| No, don't wrap it up. | ||
| I just want to say this. | ||
| I'm just lurking behind you. | ||
| He's not a bad guy. | ||
| Alex has come up on stage in the middle of that. | ||
| This is like a Johnny Carson roast. | ||
| This is like the fucking 60s and Dean is fucking up there being like, hey, isn't it great that I say racist shit about the... | ||
| Oh, never mind. | ||
| You're my friend. | ||
| But also, at this point, I'm starting to suspect that Alex's interruptions might sometimes be strategic. | ||
| If there's one thing he doesn't want a speaker condemning, it's the idea that you shouldn't spend all of your time regurgitating and relitigating the Cold War. | ||
| This is not cool for Alex, because his entire show is re-litigating the Cold War. | ||
| All of his expert friends are Cold War hangers-on, like Joel Skousen and Steve Pachenik, who see commies hiding in every bush and inside every government office. | ||
| Everything in Alex's world comes back to Cold War anti-communist fanaticism. | ||
| Think about it. | ||
| A gigantic part of his coronavirus conspiracy has to do with his belief that the globalists are in bed with China because they want them to take down the West, which is why David Rockefeller installed Mao into power in 1949. | ||
| Alex's beliefs are essentially indecipherable without the understanding that pretty much everything he's saying goes back to the ravings of some crypto-fascist from the Cold War era. | ||
| Though not a direct attack on Alex, what Nick is saying is a bit of an indictment of Alex's primary worldview. | ||
| Mocking the idea that CPAC would be socialism versus the America, pointing that out is not good for Alex. | ||
| It's mocking what he does every day. | ||
| In his face. | ||
| This is the young cannibalizing the old a little bit. | ||
| I think some of Alex's interruption is... | ||
| In the same way that he cut off Tommy Collins when she started selling. | ||
| He cut off Ivan Reiklund when he started selling. | ||
| I think there's a decent chance that he's coming up and being like, this guy's a good guy. | ||
| A little bit to derail the thought becoming too explicit that we shouldn't worry too much about this dichotomy that is a leftover from the Cold War. | ||
| It might be a little bit more craft than it appears. | ||
| I'm not going to give him that much credit. | ||
| I'm not either, but I think there's a kernel to it that might just be muscle memory. | ||
| I don't think you're wrong. | ||
| I can definitely see that. | ||
| Even if you're wasted, you can run on instinct a little bit. | ||
| I mean, yeah. | ||
| There is a certain level of... | ||
| Well, actually, you know what? | ||
| I'm actually going to go... | ||
| Complete 180 and agree with you wholeheartedly because now we're doing Alex's show. | ||
| Now the show instincts have kicked in. | ||
| And this is, hey, we're not talking about that right now. | ||
| Next line of conversation. | ||
| Tell me about your history. | ||
| This guy's a good guy. | ||
| People say he's a bad guy. | ||
| He's a good guy. | ||
| He's a good guy. | ||
| Love this guy. | ||
| He's good. | ||
| Show instincts are kicking in. | ||
| I believe you now. | ||
| And so this rambles into Alex saying that Nick Fuentes isn't a racist. | ||
| They always say he's so short. | ||
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just told me. | |
| So I'm like, oh, I'm a Napoleonic Complex. | ||
| But seriously, Nick Fuentes says a lot of things that people agree with. | ||
| He's popular. | ||
| So the system wants to ban him like a race car driver that keeps winning races. | ||
| That's all. | ||
| They do that to a black race car driver. | ||
| Black people or white people or gay people. | ||
| He just wants to have his own sake. | ||
| And you know what? | ||
| I'm a confident man. | ||
| I say, hey buddy. | ||
| I say in the market ideas, you get to have a run at it. | ||
| Because that makes us all stronger. | ||
| But they call him a white supremacist all over the news. | ||
| And then the ADL and Southern Property Law Center fund white supremacist compounds with terrorists with bombs. | ||
| I've studied it. | ||
| Ready to blow up black communities and create war. | ||
| But they can't ever find white people to join. | ||
| That's the good news. | ||
| This seems very self-serving at this point. | ||
| Alex knows that Nick has the room's attention, and he has a lot of fans in the crowd, so he wants to associate himself with Nick and try and see if he can get some of them to become his customers. | ||
| Unfortunately, this depressing-ass event has driven him to drink to the point of near incoherence, and all he's doing is making a joke of himself in front of Nick's hip young audience. | ||
| Also, to the point that Nick isn't a racist, I would beg to differ. | ||
| Here's a clip of him from his interview with Milo expressing a viewpoint that I don't really know how a non-racist could have. | ||
| I think the European race is real. | ||
| I think the different races are real. | ||
| I think they exist as scientific classifications, and they did up until very recently. | ||
| And I just wonder again, I don't know where the rub is where a lot of people say... | ||
| And you've said we don't agree with diversity and you believe race is real, but yet any kind of idea of... | ||
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Well, there's no intrinsic benefit to diversity for its own sake. | |
| But there is a benefit to diversity? | ||
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Well, I think that what I would say is that the culture, mixing cultures deriving from different religions doesn't work. | |
| I don't think that I would say that mixing races doesn't work. | ||
| Does it work? | ||
| So Nick is expressing a belief in scientific racialism, which isn't a great start, and then he follows that up by signaling that he's not convinced different races can coexist with each other. | ||
| Huh. | ||
| I wonder if he expresses any other flagrantly racist things in this interview with Milo. | ||
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Are you against interracial marriages? | |
| I am, yeah. | ||
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Wow, okay. | |
| I know, I know that's... | ||
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Is your dad half Mexican? | |
| He is. | ||
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Your name is Fuentes. | |
| That's true, si. | ||
| How the fuck are you against situational relationships? | ||
| So, Nick is opposed to interracial marriages, which is a pretty tough position to defend without getting pretty racist in the process. | ||
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Are his parents still together? | |
| What the fuck? | ||
| Keep in mind that the question is not personally would you marry outside your race, which if you said no would be an indication of personal bigotries that you hold, but you might not have a problem with other people marrying other races. | ||
| The question as asked by Milo is about support or opposition to the act of marrying someone of a different race. | ||
| This is about whether or not people should do it. | ||
| Nick doesn't believe that people should marry outside their racial group, which... | ||
| I can't really see any good arguments for it that aren't insanely racist. | ||
| Excuse me. | ||
| Okay, Nick, it's 2018, so obviously this is going to be a softball question. | ||
| I'm just going to lob this up. | ||
| A lot of people are calling you a racist. | ||
| I'm just going to lob this one up here. | ||
| Are you against interracial marriage? | ||
| Because it's 2018, nobody could possibly. | ||
| Only a vehement racist could be against interracial marriage. | ||
| So I'm going to throw this softball up to you. | ||
| I'm going to put it on a goddamn tee. | ||
| And you heard Milo's response to Nick's answer. | ||
| It said, wow. | ||
| Holy shit. | ||
| Whoops. | ||
| I was throwing you a goddamn softball. | ||
| It's almost like he's like, huh. | ||
| What people say about you is accurate. | ||
| That's wild. | ||
| You didn't swing at the ball. | ||
| You hit the catcher in the face. | ||
| We're going backwards, buddy. | ||
| Yeah, it's not good. | ||
| So here's how he defends his assertion that interracial marriage is no good. | ||
| Okay, let's hear this. | ||
| If you'll allow me to elaborate a little bit on the point here. | ||
| I think up until very recently, this is what the vast majority of people believed, and I think it was actually mainstream media programming and a very concerted agenda on the part of certain elements. | ||
| And it's not a dog whistle, but it's just true. | ||
| In the media, you look at advertisements today, you look at major Hollywood pictures to push people in a certain direction. | ||
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I don't disagree with you that they lay it on really thick. | |
| Every ad you see seems to be a white woman with a black eye, okay? | ||
| And I see it myself, right? | ||
| And I don't, yeah, they lay it on very thick. | ||
| But it's a jump from that to, I don't think people should marry across racial lines. | ||
| Well, how about Muhammad Ali? | ||
| Muhammad Ali said the same thing. | ||
| I want my grandchildren to look like me, and I don't think there's anything wrong about that. | ||
| So Nick's defense for his opposition to interracial marriage comes down to two points. | ||
| One, he feels like there are too many mixed-race couples in advertisements. | ||
| And two, Muhammad Ali said he wanted his grandkids to look like him, so it's cool. | ||
| Hey, he's so pretty. | ||
| So pretty. | ||
| I'll take these one at a time. | ||
| As to the advertising point, In August 2019, researchers at the Qatar Computing Research Institute released a study where they investigated gender and racial diversity in approximately 86,000 ads that had been shared by, quote, 73 top international brands on Instagram and Facebook. | ||
| 100% interracial relationships. | ||
| One of their questions was about just representation generally speaking, but another was, quote, which pairs of demographic groups are preferred in advertising images for cross-sex interaction context? | ||
| As to the representation question, they found that white people appear in ads at a rate proportional to the most recent census data, but that black people are way less likely to appear in ads than you would expect based on demographic numbers, and that the number looks even worse when you look specifically just at black women, the rate at which the researchers called, quote, strikingly low. | ||
| As to the question of cross-sex interaction between members of different races, what do you know? | ||
| They found that there was a gigantic tendency towards white male-white female pairings in ads, but that raised a new question for them, which was, is this just the result of there being way more white people represented in ads? | ||
| So, they took into account the relative number of models of different races, and they found that, quote, the preference towards pairing of the same race in cross-sex interaction becomes apparent. | ||
| This is a classic example of people like Nick completely fabricating perception. | ||
| He's seen a few instances of interracial pairings in commercials and each time the right-wing media has lost its mind yelling about forced miscegenation and some shit. | ||
| So it feels like this is a consistent pattern. | ||
| Now, every time there's a mixed race couple in an ad, it's further proof that the globalists are trying to push race mixing on the whites. | ||
| For every ad with a mixed race pairing, I would dare say Nick would see 500 ads where the pairing are both white, but his mind doesn't register that. | ||
| He ignores the overwhelming prevalence of white-white couples in ads because he's a racist, and it bothers him when he sees mixed couples in ads. | ||
| In order to justify this anger without just admitting he's a racist, the easiest move is to pretend that every ad you see is black guys with white girls and how the man is trying to push it on the brave and noble whites. | ||
| It's a cowardly cop-out that reveals the bigotry underneath when you actually look at the statistical analyses of these ads. | ||
| I mean, let's just be even simpler with it. | ||
| There hasn't been a black bachelor. | ||
| A black man who is a bachelor. | ||
| I didn't know that. | ||
| I don't watch The Bachelor, to be fair. | ||
| Now that I have a partner, apparently I have to watch The fucking Bachelor. | ||
| People are going to hear about it. | ||
| People are going to fucking hear about The Bachelor. | ||
| No, I mean... | ||
| It's so obvious, especially because I was forced to watch The Bachelorette last season, and there was a black dude who fucking killed who I wanted to be with, who of course didn't wind up with her, because, surprise. | ||
| And then this year's Bachelor, who's usually chosen from that, should have been that fucking guy, but it said he's some dumb, boring pilot! | ||
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That's it! | |
| Do you know what he does? | ||
| It flies! | ||
| That's all he's got! | ||
| Should have been a Black Batchelor. | ||
| You seem to have a lot of thoughts about this. | ||
| I have one thought about all of the Bachelor and Bachelorette series. | ||
| Would you like to start an offshoot podcast where you just yell at me about the Bachelor? | ||
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No! | |
| No, I would not! | ||
| Stop hitting the chair. | ||
| I'm sorry. | ||
| Yeah, I mean, there are things like that. | ||
| That's a good example of things that are just unexamined, things that Nick would never bring into it, because they're kind of counterfactuals to the point that he's making. | ||
| Yeah, there's been 400 seasons of The Bachelor. | ||
| Right. | ||
| The right wing gets all up in a tizzy whenever there's one of these commercials with a mixed-race couple, and they're like, well, what message are you sending? | ||
| You're trying... | ||
| So you have that, and that instills in your mind, if you're of this inclination... | ||
| Right. | ||
| Read racist. | ||
| Whenever you see an ad like that, it's more proof that this happens all the time. | ||
| But it never registers or sticks out in your mind all of the ads that you see that are not mixed-race couples, and it just makes you mad. | ||
| It just makes you mad, and you're a dumb racist idiot. | ||
| Yeah, well, I mean, if you see one ad and assume that because of this one ad with an interracial couple... | ||
| The entire fucking establishment is pushing miscegenation upon you. | ||
| Why would it matter if you see 100 ads or 20 ads? | ||
| You already have your narrative in one. | ||
| The first time. | ||
| So every time. | ||
| You can see 100 ads that don't fit into the model, but once you have it in your mind that they always do this, two ads are proof that 100 don't matter. | ||
| As for the Muhammad Ali comment, there's a bit of a game of telephone going on with this quote. | ||
| I've seen versions of it posted on explicitly white nationalist sites arguing that Ali said that races shouldn't be or they should be separate. | ||
| So why is it so bad that they advocate for the same thing? | ||
| In these instances, the citation used is often a little muddy and hard to trace back to its source. | ||
| Did Thomas Jefferson say this? | ||
| Totally. | ||
| But it appears that each of them are just slight embellishments on an interview that Ali did in 1971 with Michael Parkinson of the BBC. | ||
| Ironic. | ||
| In the interview, Ali is discussing how everyone says they want integration, but after he won the gold medal at the Olympics, he still couldn't eat at segregated restaurants because he was black. | ||
| He's pointing to the inherent hypocrisy of the times, where the rhetoric is often pro-integration, but the lived experience is much different. | ||
| He talks about how marriage is a part of integration, and he tells the interviewer, quote, Sure. | ||
| is a social problem and that educating people not to have these prejudices and bigotries will go a long way toward reducing the number of white people in 1971 who wouldn't want their grandchildren to be of multiple races. | ||
| To that, Ali responds, quote, It would be dishonest for me to say that Muhammad Ali wasn't expressing in his view that the natural state in the world is races living separately. | ||
| That is true. | ||
| But his view is very influenced by the time and the circumstances of the early 70s in the United States. | ||
| 1971 is only a few years removed from the passage of the Civil Rights Act and the Voting Rights Act, as well as the assassinations of Martin Luther King, Fred Hampton, and Malcolm X. This context informs his position and where he was coming from. | ||
| Also in this interview, Ali seems preoccupied with his fear of flying. | ||
| And at one point, he seems to imply that he can predict plane crashes. | ||
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The interviewer asks him, quote, God, he would have stopped 9-11. | |
| The interviewer asks him, quote, Can you predict other things? | ||
| Since Ali had been explaining how he can predict how his fights are going to end. | ||
| Like, I know this guy is going down in the 7th. | ||
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Sure, sure, sure, sure. | |
| Ali says, quote, A lot of things that I feel are going to happen. | ||
| Like, we might go half a year without a plane crash. | ||
| I'm flying every day and I think, it's time for a plane crash. | ||
| I don't wish for nothing like that, but I feel like things are too quiet. | ||
| And two or three days later, a plane crashed here. | ||
| Alright. | ||
| So anyway, take this interview however you like. | ||
| It's been used by white supremacists and white nationalists for years to justify their own desire for a white ethnostate. | ||
| So it seems weird to imagine that Nick has some other reason to pull out that quote here. | ||
| I think it's possibly oversimplified, but even if you imagine the worst possible interpretation for something that Ali said in an interview 49 years ago, I still don't think that's a good defense for Nick's position against interracial marriage. | ||
| No, you don't understand. | ||
| Someone else had a similar position is not strong stuff. | ||
| No, you're not understanding. | ||
| Because one person Who gained fame and yet still did not overcome the institutionalized racism, was expressing a worldview built around white people enslaving everybody he's ever known. | ||
| Then, after that fucking continuing a pattern of abuse for years, on past the civil rights era, because he was expressing his opinion there, that totally makes it okay for a white person who did all of that shit. | ||
| To then co-opt his argument. | ||
| That makes perfect sense, Dan. | ||
| Well, even if you take that aside, just the appeal to authority that's being done is not really an authority. | ||
| It's just a celebrity who was a smart person and had some interesting ideas about a lot of stuff. | ||
| But that doesn't mean that this is a great point. | ||
| Look, there's Muhammad Ali and then there's Audre Lorde. | ||
| And those are the only two. | ||
| Jesus Christ. | ||
| So anyway, the point of this, where it all started, is that Alex is wrong. | ||
| Nick Fuentes has given people ample reason to suspect he's a racist and a white nationalist. | ||
| Also, there are a few things more satisfying for me than when Alex tries to bring out that stuff about Elohim City and the material, expecting it to blow people's minds and no one cares. | ||
| You just hear when he's talking about the SPLC runs, they're trying to get white people to have bombs, and the whole audience is like, we want to hear Nick. | ||
| What are you doing? | ||
| There are some serious Death... | ||
| Shit, now I can't remember it. | ||
| What's the name of it? | ||
| I don't know. | ||
| Fuck. | ||
| Always Be Closing. | ||
| Oh, uh... | ||
| What's the name of the movie? | ||
| Oh, Glenn Gary? | ||
| Glenn Gary, Glenn Ross. | ||
| That's what it is. | ||
| This has such, like, Alex is Jack Lemmon. | ||
| Alex is the drunk. | ||
| And Nick Fuentes is the hot young kid. | ||
| That's so much what's going on here. | ||
| That's an interesting way to look at it. | ||
| So Alex gets off stage and Nick starts talking about the people who are sponsoring CPAC and how they believe in open borders. | ||
| Sure. | ||
| Of course. | ||
| Yeah, yeah, yeah. | ||
| And of course Alex needs to wander back up on stage. | ||
| Of course. | ||
| People that are putting up the money for their thing, putting up the money for their conference, are benefiting from their open borders agenda. | ||
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In conclusion, was that five? | |
| No, but it's true. | ||
| It's not that we're against the third-world populations. | ||
| It's they're being weaponized against us. | ||
| So he's gone like three times longer. | ||
| So the interview is going to say, I censored Nick Fuentes. | ||
| I did not. | ||
| I actually extended him. | ||
| They're going to kick us out of here in like 30 minutes. | ||
| We've got like five more speakers. | ||
| We just got rid of the whole question and answer conference. | ||
| But it's true. | ||
| It's not that anybody's bad. | ||
| It's that the globalists are weaponizing them. | ||
| And you're right. | ||
| Ben Shapiro and all these people are pushed by the system. | ||
| We're banned by the system. | ||
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What does that tell you? | |
| It's like a tag team. | ||
| We tag him in. | ||
| I'm back in. | ||
| Oh, no. | ||
| But Nick can handle that. | ||
| He got a laugh off of that? | ||
| God damn it, he's got the chops. | ||
| That motherfucker. | ||
| Yeah, one of these other ding-dongs who's been up here just be like... | ||
| Look at us doing this two-man game. | ||
| They'd be panicking in some way, but Nick is able to maneuver it and finesse things. | ||
| Goddammit, I hate these people. | ||
| Yeah, it's pretty wild. | ||
| So Nick's speech ends, and Alex brings up the next speaker. | ||
| He's giving an introduction to Gavin McGinnis, who's next, and he's supposed to be the headliner other than Alex. | ||
| Right, right. | ||
| Gavin's the feature act. | ||
| Gotcha. | ||
| You know, according to everything that was already in Alex's head, Gavin is the most important figure that was there before he booked Nick. | ||
| And he probably thought, like, you know what? | ||
| Nick's more important than Millie, but he's not more important than the guy who started Vice and is the head of the Proud Boys. | ||
| And now Nick is like Dave Chappelle dropping in for a five-minute set that goes 45. And I think Alex realizes this as he's trying to introduce Gavin. | ||
| Oh, no. | ||
| One last thing. | ||
| Thesis statement. | ||
| We as conservatives who are in favor of America first, whatever our difference is, we will either hang together or we will most surely hang separately. | ||
| That's the most important thing. | ||
| Thank you. | ||
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And now, and now we have Gavin McGinnis. | |
| Gavin McGinnis, down for a vice, great patriot, major censor. | ||
| Anybody involved in this? | ||
| Say his name, guys. | ||
| I'll give the credits first. | ||
| I think that Alex is really shaken by the fact that Nick Fuentes, you can't tell from just listening to this, but he got a standing ovation from the crowd after his speech while he was trying to bring up Gavin. | ||
| Like, Alex is trying to introduce Gavin McGinnis, and the crowd is giving a standing ovation for Nick. | ||
| Alex, you're so stupid. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| This is not good for Alex, because this flips the dynamic he was hoping for. | ||
| Alex co-opts other people's shit, because in the fringe weirdo conspiracy and crypto-fascist right-wing, he's always been the biggest game in town. | ||
| Other people may have some cottage industry things going, but traditionally, Alex has been able to associate with them and then use them to his advantage. | ||
| But this is the exact opposite. | ||
| Nick Flantes does not need Alex, and I think Alex realized it in that moment. | ||
| Any benefit from this is going directly to Nick. | ||
| Any person who Alex is exposing to Nick stands to possibly become a fan of Nick's. | ||
| It's not going to go the other way around. | ||
| It's not like Nick's fans are going to convert to info warriors. | ||
| That's not going to happen. | ||
| Particularly not after this shit show. | ||
| I strongly suspect that Alex realized that he's in a situation where the only outcomes available to him are losing prospects. | ||
| He could fully accept Nick and watch as his audience gets drawn away from him towards the shiny, nice, respectable, clean-cut, articulate, magnanimous young man who can handle himself way, way better than Alex. | ||
| Or, conversely, he could try to distance himself from Nick now and run the risk of becoming his next target, the next example of an organization like Turning Point that isn't really America First, but pretends to be. | ||
| That Q&A session at the end is a huge danger. | ||
| The way that Nick and the Groypers have done the damage they have to Turning Point is by showing up in the audience of their Q&A sessions and asking them incredibly loaded questions about Israel and about restricting even legal immigration into the country. | ||
| It's a stunt strategy that's meant to make Turning Point look unable to answer these questions and to expose them as the non-conservative shills Nick says they are. | ||
| The cuck-servatives. | ||
| It's honestly a really good media strategy and it's helped by the fact, like I mentioned earlier, the mainstream media and most leftists hate Turning Point too, so they're not going to come to their defense when they're being attacked by a group of crypto-fascist Catholic monarchists. | ||
| Alex cannot be on the receiving end of that kind of treatment and survive. | ||
| He's too drunk at this point to navigate that Q&A session safely. | ||
| No chance. | ||
| He has no position on Israel that sounds principled. | ||
| He just says, I'm not against him, but I'm both not for him. | ||
| You know, sometimes Israel's good. | ||
| That's going to fail the Groyper purity test. | ||
| And I think that Alex realizes that when he sees all the young Fuentes fans in the crowd give him a standing ovation. | ||
| This event has been co-opted. | ||
| Alex is in serious trouble. | ||
| Thankfully, Gavin is up next, and he's a super funny guy. | ||
| Gavin opens with a bit of business where he pretends to trip on his way up to the stage, and he drops all of his notes. | ||
| He does not do that. | ||
| Oh, God. | ||
| The right's getting too good. | ||
| His notes are in a disheveled mess when he gets up to pick them up, so he starts nervously reading the last page as if it's the opening page. | ||
| It's fucking Andy Kaufman-level shit, man. | ||
| Jesus Christ. | ||
| He's creative. | ||
| I hate these people so much. | ||
| This alone. | ||
| Is innovative solo sketch work. | ||
| It's a chance to change the game at InfoWars. | ||
| It's very good. | ||
| But Gavin, he wasn't done with just a pratfall and a misdirect. | ||
| I don't know if I can do this. | ||
| When my notes got muddled up, I ended up with the last page. | ||
| Is that Neil Hamburger? | ||
| I'm really sorry about this. | ||
| What are you doing up there, Neil? | ||
| So nervous, I'm like shaking. | ||
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because the stairs... | |
| That's fantastic. | ||
| Thank you so much, man. | ||
| That one's mine. | ||
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I could never turn that face to you. | |
| You're all versatile. | ||
| Isn't it fucked up how they give away their play on a regular basis? | ||
| Just so you understand what just went on, Gavin had an intern come up to him from the crowd and bring him a beer and then some lines of coke, presumably fake coke, which he proceeds to snort on stage. | ||
| Okay. | ||
| The goal of the bit is to have him pretend to be all nervous, but then like Popeye getting a can of spinach, he transforms into this strong, confident self, like his real self, after getting his booze and cocaine. | ||
| You see, it's comedy. | ||
| He's Steve Austin. | ||
| This is like Kristen Schaal and Kurt Braunelers who come out and be like, Kristen Schaal is a horse? | ||
| Christian Schaal is a whore! | ||
| Steve Austin, Stone Cold didn't need the beers to become Stone Cold. | ||
| No, you're right, you're right. | ||
| He drank the beers after he kicked your ass. | ||
| It was important to do it afterwards. | ||
| How dare you. | ||
| I apologize. | ||
| See, but the problem with the bit, as Gavin is doing it, is how it ends up working in practice is that Gavin doesn't really sell the post-cocaine boost of energy that you heard at the end there. | ||
| It's underwhelming, which is why there's a tepid response from the crowd. | ||
| And that undercuts the ability of this to work as a joke structure. | ||
| You gotta go big. | ||
| That's kind of a problem because you're pretending to do cocaine to open your set and it kind of means that you need to be high the whole time or else you're basically signaling to the audience that your bit was bad and you've bailed on it. | ||
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Yep. | |
| Also, nothing more conservative than a grumpy former gang leader who's slowly drifting deeper into his openly sad drinking in public phase, pretending to do cocaine as an emotional crutch at your show. | ||
| I kind of like it. | ||
| Good, solid messaging. | ||
| As a completely contextless bit of skullduggery, I'm for it. | ||
| No, totally. | ||
| Look, if someone just told me, hey, Gavin showed up at one of Alex's events and pretended to do cocaine on stage, I'd be like, all right. | ||
| Okay. | ||
| All right. | ||
| Okay, good for him. | ||
| He's not taking it seriously. | ||
| But when I'm looking at it more holistically, and I'm looking at it from the perspective of, like, you're trying to put on a show. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| Don't do that. | ||
| The bit's got to work. | ||
| First of all. | ||
| The bit's got to work. | ||
| First of all, there's that. | ||
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Yeah. | |
| The bit's got to work. | ||
| You got to commit to it. | ||
| You got to commit to it. | ||
| That's a huge problem. | ||
| That's number one on conceptual bits. | ||
| But then second, the way that this is so incoherent and incongruous to the rest of the vibe that's been going on is jarring. | ||
| Oh, yeah. | ||
| It's a real problem. | ||
| So anyway, Gavin... | ||
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So Gavin, he's trying to be funny? | |
| Like, he started out trying to be a comic, too? | ||
| Oh, yeah. | ||
| Man! | ||
| So he... | ||
| I wish my failure comic career had turned into a right-wing grift. | ||
| It'd be so much easier. | ||
| We all should have made that move. | ||
| I know. | ||
| But Gavin gives up on the whole, like, cocaine's making me speedy thing because, you know, you got no response from the audience and you can't really commit that. | ||
| So he just gets into talking about some dumb shit. | ||
| This has nothing to do with Trump. | ||
| This has to do with you winning, you fucking Bolshevik cunt. | ||
| Whoa. | ||
| One of the most telling ones I ever saw. | ||
| They were talking about Drag Queen Story Hour in some small town, and the teacher said, the teacher who organized this thing, said, let's be honest, parents often don't know what's best for their kids. | ||
| The community should decide what's best for their kids. | ||
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And I went, ooh, I caught you looking. | |
| I see what you're really about there. | ||
| So Gavin is talking about examples of, like, the Dems showing their cards. | ||
| And from everything I can tell, I don't know what kind of apocryphal story he's talking about here, but I think I tracked it down, what the base of this is, and I think he's misrepresenting this. | ||
| From what I can tell, this is about a state representative in Missouri proposing the creation of a parental library review board, which would be comprised of five adult community members. | ||
| The goal of the board would be to, quote, determine whether any sexual material provided to the public by the public library is age appropriate. | ||
| According to most people who've spoken about this bill, from the director of the American Library Association's Office for Intellectual Freedom to various Drag Queen Story Hour participants, This is actually an attempt to curtail free speech in public libraries and impose potentially harsh fines and even jail time on librarians whose libraries host events that five community members decide is inappropriate but is actually constitutionally protected. | ||
| Yeah, liberals want the community to decide and all conservatives want is for five people to decide, damn. | ||
| Well, but this is the most recent, most relevant example of the community deciding argument. | ||
| And it's very clearly an attempt to push back on the... | ||
| It's Drag Queen Story Hour. | ||
| If there's one thing I know about history is that it treats people who burn books kindly. | ||
| Sure. | ||
| So here, this is the veneer of being something where the community takes over and decides what's good for your kid, but in practice, it's yet another attempt to do away with Drag Queen Story Hour through the process of community review boards. | ||
| Gavin should be in favor of this, since it works towards his goal. | ||
| But he's too much of a reactionary snowflake, so he hears the words community review, and it sets him off down a pre-scripted, feigned outrage path. | ||
| There's a bit of this in this speech. | ||
| It's not great. | ||
| It's just like when Alex was bitching about Bill Barr's line of... | ||
| And you're like, no, no, no, that's what you're supposed to want. | ||
| You're just too stupid to even know what you want. | ||
| And that's why he hasn't continued down that... | ||
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Exactly. | |
| He's kind of like that fall. | ||
| He's like, oh, okay, never mind. | ||
| Good point. | ||
| My bad. | ||
| This is the propaganda angle. | ||
| I'm just dumb. | ||
| Yeah, so there's a good bit of this in Gavin's speech, but more than that, there are failed jokes. | ||
| And with free speech, the agenda is clearly, I want to control the story. | ||
| And when you see people being persecuted, in this day and age, it tends to be, and this might be the coke talking, because they're charming and funny and gorgeous. | ||
| Like me. | ||
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Oof. | |
| That is a bit of silence there at the end. | ||
| Man, he's supposed to be a former comic. | ||
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Yeah. | |
| That's not good. | ||
| No. | ||
| That's not good. | ||
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No. | |
| So he started the Proud Boys. | ||
| The gang. | ||
| The Proud Boys. | ||
| Which you love. | ||
| I know you love the Proud Boys. | ||
| Anyway, the man... | ||
| I'm just going to be silent. | ||
| Much like the audience is for him. | ||
| The man hates the Proud Boys and they're mad at... | ||
| Because they're a violent gang. | ||
| No. | ||
| No, no, we hate all violent gangs, right? | ||
| No, no, no. | ||
| They're a violent gang. | ||
| Nope. | ||
| We're against violent gangs? | ||
| No. | ||
| Frankly, we're against non-violent gangs like the fucking people who love the insane clown posse. | ||
| We're just against gangs. | ||
| I like the insane clown posse. | ||
| You make an interesting point. | ||
| That's not why, though. | ||
| It turns out they were worried that the Proud Boys were going to make supporting Trump look cool. | ||
| We started this club, the Proud Boys, as a fun, silly men's club. | ||
| It still is. | ||
| And... | ||
| I think the left saw that as making Trump cool, making conservatism cool, but more importantly, eschewing shame. | ||
| I can't imagine the level of self-delusion that's required to think that the Proud Boys made supporting Trump look cool. | ||
| It's a group of dudes who wear matching shirts, whose group is named after a song in the Aladdin musical, who spent their time whining about how no one respects the West anymore. | ||
| It's a very sad group. | ||
| And about that eschewing shame thing. | ||
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That's bad. | |
| How do we square that with the basic requirement for Proud Boy membership being they have to stop masturbating? | ||
| I can't think of anything that more screams of... | ||
| than a weirdo failed comedian telling a street gang of disaffected young men that they have to stop jerking off to join him. | ||
| Onanism is wrong! | ||
| shame what he means is that privileged groups in society should feel like we should be able to throw the C word around with no trouble they should be free to feel like they deserve the social benefits that have come from generations of denying minorities access to the economy or any semblance of social power his point is that white people shouldn't have to feel bad about the racist history of our country but I think the shame he really should be focusing on is him telling young dudes that if they want to be in his group they can't beat off | ||
| I cannot think of any famous psychiatrist to say that there is a lot of deep shit going on behind people saying don't masturbate. | ||
| I can't think of any really, really famous psychiatrist. | ||
| It's weird. | ||
| So Gavin's complaining about how, like, hey, we should be focusing on Muslims because they're all terrorists and they hate gays. | ||
| And that's what they say that we do and blah, blah, blah. | ||
| But the left and the globalists and the man, they just want to demonize a redneck. | ||
| That's what they want to do. | ||
| Okay. | ||
| And then this falls apart. | ||
| They want a redneck. | ||
| They live in some bizarre fantasy world, some shitty movie on Showtime. | ||
| Oblivion? | ||
| Can you assholes stop chatting your fucking head off, please? | ||
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| Hey, shit for brains, talking to Nick. | ||
| Hey, you fucking limey shit for brains. | ||
| If you want to chat, go outside. | ||
| What are you doing here? | ||
| Sounds like a swarm of bees nattering over there. | ||
| Well, that's a failed comedian. | ||
| I agree. | ||
| Shut the fuck up. | ||
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| I'm listening. | ||
| This is gold. | ||
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You gotta shut up. | |
| This set is a mess. | ||
| Gavin obviously wants to be funny, but he's also a super, super angry dude, which is a combination that very few people can pull off. | ||
| There's Nick DiPaolo and... | ||
| Does he pull that off? | ||
| No. | ||
| He did for 20 years in the late 80s and 90s. | ||
| Gavin spends his time on stage rambling his way through a convoluted story about how his Proud Boys are actually the victims of all the street fights they've gotten into, how the courts are full of SJW judges, and how he hopes Antifa people get raped in prison. | ||
| Snowflakes are mean to me, and I hope they get raped because I'm not a snowflake. | ||
| It's horrible, and it's very difficult to follow as a speech. | ||
| It's punctuated by increasingly sad attempts at punchlines. | ||
| More so than anyone else who's come on stage so far, Gavin really does think he's funny. | ||
| He's a failed stand-up comic, so I think he thinks he's got some of those skills still, but man, he doesn't. | ||
| I'm not going to play too many clips of his speech for a couple of reasons. | ||
| The first is that it's almost incomprehensible, and the stuff that he's saying about his gang members are things that I couldn't possibly confirm or deny if I wanted to. | ||
| Things like jailhouse conversations a Proud Boy allegedly had with an Antifa member who said that they have a group of high-priced lawyers on retainer. | ||
| I don't believe that, but also there's nothing I can do with it. | ||
| The other reason I don't want to talk about this all that much more is that Gavin is trying to be funny. | ||
| And his style of comedy is basically just saying offensive things and then basking in the orgasmic glow of having been edgy enough to say this bad word. | ||
| It's very lame and sad, like he thinks he's Lenny Bruce because he said the T word in a room full of the most transphobic people you could ever gather together. | ||
| It's really the definition of someone doing an impression of what they think edgy looks like while doing the safest thing imaginable, which in many ways is an apt description of... | ||
| This entire summit. | ||
| Stand-up comedy? | ||
| Wow. | ||
| And this summit as a whole. | ||
| I would say 60% of every open mic attendant that I've ever seen. | ||
| It's a complete mess. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| But you heard Alex interrupt there, so you'd expect that Gavin finishes his speech and then Alex is up. | ||
| No way. | ||
| Two-man game now. | ||
| Well, no. | ||
| Actually, Gavin finishes and then Rob Dew comes on stage. | ||
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Give it up for Gavin McGeeves! | |
| Alex is too drunk. | ||
| Oh, no. | ||
| I'm so excited. | ||
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Yeah! | |
| This is going to be good shit. | ||
| Yeah, I know. | ||
| The only thing I don't like about Gavin McGinnis is that he drinks Budweiser. | ||
| I should point out by this point, Rob is wasted. | ||
| He's very clearly drunk. | ||
| Good for him. | ||
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Alright. | |
| Well. | ||
| The reason I'm up here is because Alex Jones has gone to bed. | ||
| You guys at least heard a shit ton of Alex Jones throughout the night. | ||
| Please keep in mind that Alex introduced Gavin before his speech and interrupted in the middle of it. | ||
| It's been like five minutes since the audience has seen Alex on stage. | ||
| So at some point between that and now, Alex has gone to bed. | ||
| I can only think of three possibilities for what happened, and I'm going to rank them out from least likely to most likely. | ||
| Okay, so the first one you're going to say is the least likely. | ||
| Yes. | ||
| Okay. | ||
| Least likely. | ||
| Alex legit passed out drunk. | ||
| Yes. | ||
| He was definitely wasted, and I don't think it's impossible, but I see this as highly unlikely. | ||
| I've seen many episodes where Alex is three sheets to the wind, and it's bedtime, but he keeps going. | ||
| Alex gets drunk, but he has a lot of staying power. | ||
| He's the guy who won't leave your party at 4am when everyone else has already gone home, but he has a theory about gremlins being predictive programming that you have to listen to, and he's that guy. | ||
| Listen, I respect your stamina, and I do want to hear what you have to say months from now. | ||
| Please leave my home. | ||
| He doesn't go down. | ||
| Please leave my home. | ||
| Medium likely. | ||
| Someone at InfoWars, probably Owen, since Rob Dew is completely fucked up too, told Alex that he needed to call it a night. | ||
| He was at a point where something he said or did could cause real damage, and the fact that Mike Flynn Jr. had shown up, plus Nick Fuentes, that may have given the streams a bit more attention than they would have gotten otherwise. | ||
| I see this as kind of possible, that someone would have stopped Alex from hurting himself by giving his headlining speech, because it would have been a disaster, but I also don't think that it's a sure thing, because... | ||
| Alex, particularly drunk Alex, doesn't listen to other people. | ||
| He's very stubborn, and I feel like he's the kind of guy who would fight a bartender who tried to cut him off. | ||
| Alex, listen, look, I think your speech is great, but you spent the first 15 minutes of it arguing why the hard R is the only problem with you saying the N-word. | ||
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I mean, I'm not saying it was a bad set. | |
| Now, look, I know, I know! | ||
| I know, and this is the audience for it. | ||
| I agree. | ||
| But we're just gonna, we're just gonna, just go to bed. | ||
| So, most likely, Alex knew that he couldn't give a speech wasted in front of Nick Fuentes' fans. | ||
| The only possible outcome is trouble. | ||
| They're super conservative, and their ideas are largely based on a lot of the same anti-left conspiracy bullshit that's grown out of the remnants of the Cold War shit, but they also aren't into the same cartoonish idiocy that Alex is. | ||
| Nick Fuentes is involved in something that aspires to be a political movement, not just an entertainment empire where he can lie about headlines to sell dumb pills. | ||
| And his followers have a bit of the same seriousness to them, which is something Alex cannot engage with. | ||
| He can engage with just about any form of opposition from the left, because he can just yell over them, he can call them Satanists, and if all else fails, yell something about how Epstein didn't kill himself. | ||
| He cannot risk being attacked from the fringe right, because if he does, his whole act falls apart. | ||
| If these Groypers start asking him for his positions on issues they care most about, namely Israel and shutting down all immigration, Alex is going to look like not a real conservative. | ||
| And guess what? | ||
| When that happens, none of his tricks work. | ||
| He can't paint them as Satanists because they're America first conservatives. | ||
| He can't say they're secret globalists because Nick's been banned from YouTube and is a target of the media, in theory. | ||
| He can't yell at them because that just makes him look weak in contrast to the smiling, poised Nick Fuentes. | ||
| He can't throw his Epstein didn't kill himself smoke bomb because they'll just be like, totally agree. | ||
| So why shouldn't we attack Israel? | ||
| Nick Fuentes and the Groypers are perhaps the biggest threat to Alex's credibility right now, and I think rather than mixing it up with them in a live stream, he decided to go to bed. | ||
| It's the right decision, because Alex doesn't need to be there. | ||
| He's made an ass out of himself trying to make the show entertaining, and that was a failure, but they don't need him dragging it out at the end with a dumb speech about his victimhood and crying about the military junta he seems to want to install. | ||
| He has Owen Schroyer there, seemingly sober, who the Groypers like, so he's not going to get the same kind of scrutiny that Alex might. | ||
| He has Rob Dew, completely drunk, to keep an eye on things. | ||
| He was right to go to bed, even if they said like 20 times he was going to be the headline speaker and then he just disappeared. | ||
| Kind of fucked up, but I think it's the right decision. | ||
| Because strategically, he's... | ||
| Only loses. | ||
| Oh, no, no. | ||
| He absolutely should go to bed. | ||
| He becomes the new Charlie Kirk if he missteps. | ||
| 100%. | ||
| No. | ||
| Going to bed, regardless of whether or not Nick Fuentes is there at all, going to bed is a good idea. | ||
| Well, certainly. | ||
| But it becomes a dangerous idea to stay with Nick and his fans there. | ||
| You can only end up alienating a block that you want to cultivate. | ||
| Five years ago, this rally is, one, filled to the brim. | ||
| And two, Alex can get shit-faced and ramble nonsense to close out for 20 minutes and everybody's just going to hoot and holler and have a great time. | ||
| Maybe. | ||
| Can't pull that off. | ||
| Certainly not. | ||
| Not with Nick Fuentes and the fucking horseman of the apocalypse behind him. | ||
| So now that Alex is gone, that takes away a block of time. | ||
|
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Yeah. | |
| So what are they going to do? | ||
| Q&A with the callers! | ||
| You bet. | ||
| Hell yeah! | ||
| So Rob Du is now introducing the Q&A, and he brings people up on stage. | ||
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Nick Fuentes, get up here. | |
| I have a gift for Nick Fuentes. | ||
| I know he's going to love this. | ||
| I'm about to get a videotape this. | ||
| Change his name to Dick Fuentes. | ||
|
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All right, here we go. | |
| All right, Nick, I'm going to present you this pin. | ||
| I want you to tell everybody what it says. | ||
| This is your gift. | ||
| Zionism is a badge of honor. | ||
|
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Opposite. | |
| All right. | ||
|
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You like that? | |
| Yeah, I'll put it out. | ||
| He's going to wear it. | ||
| He's a badge of honor. | ||
| This endears Rob to the aggressively anti-Zionist contingent in the crowd. | ||
| So he's fine. | ||
| And Rob isn't going to factor into the Q&A so much. | ||
| So it's kind of a safe position to be in. | ||
| Besides, we've already figured out Deuce News, so we don't need to worry about it. | ||
| Q&A doesn't really kick off immediately because there's a lot of disorganization, as you might expect. | ||
| And so there's people coming up on stage and leaning into the mic. | ||
| And so Lee Stranahan, who's still there... | ||
| Of course he is. | ||
| He's got nowhere else to be. | ||
| He decides to say a little something into the mic. | ||
| And then Owen Schroyer, he missed on a joke earlier, so he tries it again. | ||
| No! | ||
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I'm just going to say this. | |
| Does Owen look fabulous or not? | ||
| Look at the pocket square. | ||
| Look, it matches the tie. | ||
| And that's Owen. | ||
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You look fantastic. | |
| Like I said, just don't tell Roger Stone I forgot my belt at home today. | ||
| He'll take me off the best dress list. | ||
| Do we have the mics working? | ||
| Are we good? | ||
| So he tries that joke again. | ||
| It doesn't work again. | ||
| Great. | ||
| But now Owen, in his, you know, comparatively very level-headed authority position. | ||
| Now he takes over. | ||
| He is running the Q&A. | ||
| Okay. | ||
| And so it's much more competent hands, but it's exactly what you'd expect. | ||
| Most of the audience is Nick Fuentes' fans, and so therefore they are the ones who are asking the questions. | ||
| Alright, go ahead. | ||
| Yeah, go ahead. | ||
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So I have a question for Mr. Fuentes. | |
| So, as he knows, I asked a question to Conservative Inc. | ||
| a few months ago and never got an adequate response. | ||
| So I would like to give Mr. Fuentes, the leader of the America First movement, an opportunity to answer my question adequately. | ||
| What is the America First position on giving Israel $3.8 billion in aid every year? | ||
| And how is that in America's interest? | ||
| Well, yeah, that's kind of a softball question, but I appreciate it. | ||
| K. Alexander, epic, by the way. | ||
| The man who arguably started it off in Colorado. | ||
| The first droiper. | ||
| With that question. | ||
| So the person asking the question is a plant of Nick's group. | ||
| Alex couldn't have handled that. | ||
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No. | |
| Alex being asked, what is the America first position on aid to Israel? | ||
| He would waffle around. | ||
| We're against Islam, but also we're against the bad elements of Judaism, but also I think Israel is a good base and we should have be in Jerusalem. | ||
| He wouldn't come off any better than people like Charlie Kirk do, to the eyes of these America First Fuentes fans. | ||
| So immediately, from the first question, you see, like, oh, this would have been a fucking disaster for Alex. | ||
| Good call, Alex. | ||
| Right. | ||
| Finally, he's taken my advice and go to bed. | ||
| So, like I said, it's disorganized as hell trying to do this Q&A. | ||
| Yeah, of course. | ||
| And so, you know, people can just bum rush the stage. | ||
| Hey, I'm Jerome Bell. | ||
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I'm running for Congress of the 2nd District of Virginia. | |
| 2nd District of Virginia. | ||
| A couple of things we need to do. | ||
| First of all, we need to get Donald Trump elected again in the United States. | ||
| We need to take over Virginia. | ||
| I'm taking over Virginia from a Democrat, Elaine Luria. | ||
| Well, I just said POS. | ||
| I'll be nice tonight. | ||
| I'll be nice. | ||
| And to answer your question about foreign aid, zero foreign aid. | ||
| Zero foreign aid from America. | ||
| Goddamn, what is up with this rally and the doomed congressional candidates? | ||
| Man, they are everywhere. | ||
| This fellow is Jerome Bell, who's running for the House in Virginia's 2nd District. | ||
| To be more clear, he's one of four Republicans who will be competing in the GOP primary in June. | ||
| If I had to put a bet on it, I don't think Bell is winning that thing. | ||
| You don't think so? | ||
| One of his opponents, Scott Taylor, is a former member of the House and a former Virginia delegate. | ||
| Those things look pretty good on a resume and a GOP primary, but we'll see how things go. | ||
| I should be clear, though. | ||
| This election is not happening until 2021. | ||
| This dude is bum-rushing this Q&A session. | ||
| He's getting a real head start. | ||
| A year out. | ||
| Peter Diabrasca should take notes. | ||
| Good for him. | ||
| Yeah, yeah, yeah. | ||
| He's going to make that 90-day limit really easily. | ||
| So Jerome Bell answered the candidate's questionnaire for Ballotpedia about some of his positions. | ||
| And these answers, some of them seem a little bit weird. | ||
| Oh, yeah? | ||
| He was asked what his, quote, very first job was. | ||
| And his answer was, quote, working for the IDENT division for the FBI. | ||
| How is that possible that was his first ever job? | ||
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That seems strange. | |
| Was he an intern? | ||
| I don't know. | ||
| Do they have an internship program? | ||
| Anyway, Bell is a hardline anti-immigrant candidate. | ||
| He's received some support from the white nationalist circles, including Faith Goldie. | ||
| He's running on a platform of shutting down all immigration to the United States, which is a very dumb idea. | ||
| Apparently, based on this drop-in speech, he's also in favor of stopping all U.S. foreign aid, which is tantamount to calling for the deaths of millions of people around the world. | ||
| This Ron Paul-ass endorsement of passive slaughter under the guise of why should we pay for it is the stuff of monsters hiding behind poorly constructed fiscal arguments. | ||
| I would bet everything I own that he's going to lose that primary. | ||
| If you're keeping score, that's about zero for six on the congressional hopefuls that Alex has had on this absurd rally. | ||
| They're not doing good. | ||
| No. | ||
| No. | ||
| So we get back to the Q&A, and what do you know? | ||
| It's another Nick Fuentes fan asking a softball question to Nick. | ||
| Does it help us win the culture war? | ||
|
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That's the question. | |
| I should be clear. | ||
| He's asking about does supporting homosexuality, does embracing and accepting just people being gay help the right? | ||
| Hey, it's 2020! | ||
| I'm gonna lob you a softball question real easy. | ||
| Let's just throw this one up there. | ||
| Does it help us win the culture war? | ||
| That's the question. | ||
|
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Yes or no? | |
| It doesn't. | ||
| It does not. | ||
| It's disgusting. | ||
|
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Oh, shit. | |
| Why are you murdering the catcher? | ||
| Why? | ||
| What did you do? | ||
| And it doesn't belong here, you know. | ||
| I like C.P. Buttigieg. | ||
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I was watching something the other day with Pete Buttigieg's husband, Chasten. | |
| No. | ||
| Stop. | ||
| Please. | ||
| Look, I don't want to get graphic or anything, but it's just gross. | ||
| We just don't need that. | ||
| It's not Christian. | ||
| It's not natural. | ||
| It's not conservative. | ||
| It has no place. | ||
| I'm willing to say that. | ||
| Charlie Kirk isn't. | ||
| You know who else isn't? | ||
| Alex. | ||
| This is a perfect example of a curveball question that Alex cannot afford to have to answer. | ||
| He spent a lot of his time cultivating a character that blurs the lines of outright homophobia and an insistence that he's a libertarian. | ||
| I don't care who you go to bed with. | ||
| You go to bed with a man, you go to bed with a woman, you go to bed with two at the same time. | ||
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Doesn't matter to me. | |
| One of Nick's followers directly asking if accepting homosexuality does any good in terms of winning the culture war, that poses a real challenge to someone like Alex. | ||
| It's clear from the raucous response when Nick says that Homosexuality is gross. | ||
| That that was the correct answer, according to the Kruipers. | ||
| So, if Alex had a non-committal political answer that maintains his wishy-washy stance on the issue, they would not find that acceptable. | ||
| If he said that accepting homosexuality was good, he'd clearly be walking into a trap where he would then have to defend how that is a conservative position. | ||
| If he answered that homosexuality was bad, and as Nick said, it has no place, he runs the risk of further alienating himself from the base that he has that desperately needs to cling to the idea that Alex is not a bigot himself. | ||
| No answer to that question serves Alex's interests, so he cannot be there. | ||
| He cannot be involved in this. | ||
| That's a smart move. | ||
| In Alex's absence, this Q&A session can turn into Nick's followers asking him softball questions that they already know the answers to, and when he gives the desired answer, they all cheer. | ||
| In effect, this event has been fully taken over. | ||
| This isn't a Q&A session for anyone except Nick, who's giving all the A's to Q's being posed by his followers. | ||
| He has fully co-opted this event. | ||
| Yep. | ||
| It's remarkable, honestly. | ||
| Yeah, I mean, but... | ||
| What's interesting to me is that it is essentially calling out the people who have been exploiting latent, if not explicit, bigotry and homophobia. | ||
| Fair enough. | ||
| For lying about not being bigoted at all. | ||
| Yeah, yeah, yeah. | ||
| Like, no, no, no. | ||
| No, I'm totally bigoted. | ||
| No, I hate... | ||
| Well, I don't hate gay people. | ||
| You can't hate gay people. | ||
| No, I mean, no, I've been telling you that I hate gay people, but you can't. | ||
| All they're doing is just being people. | ||
| Oh, shit, no. | ||
| I've cultivated an audience of monsters, haven't I? | ||
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Yee! | |
| Guess I went to bed. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| And introducing Nick Fuentes to the Infowars audience, like, I don't know what Alex's audience even really is anymore, how big they are or what. | ||
| The only possible thing that can happen is Nick convincing them that Alex is too milquetoast and he doesn't actually have the... | ||
| principles that he pretends to have. | ||
| It's fucked up. | ||
| And if it continues, if it keeps going, which I think would be a huge mistake on Alex's part, but I think he's in a position where he can't not still support Nick because the implicit threat of his fans turning on him. | ||
| Alex has accidentally backed himself into a really dangerous position for his own Position and stake in the conservative world. | ||
| He's fucked. | ||
| It is really reminiscent of, I mean, again, it's so reminiscent of Reagan where it's all of these people are suddenly creating this insurgence based around a political class that has been exploiting their homophobia without making it explicit. | ||
| Always, always constantly just like, hey, you know those people with the HIV. | ||
| Do you have it? | ||
| You know those people. | ||
| Like that kind of thing, without ever explicitly saying it. | ||
| And now they're forcing people to actually come down on it. | ||
| And they're like, guys, we can't actually hate these people. | ||
| Which then gives firepower to the other side that's like, you weren't really committed to the principles. | ||
| When you say rhino, what you mean is you're not actually a bigot. | ||
| That's what we really wanted out of you. | ||
| You were lying to us about being a bigot. | ||
| You liar! | ||
| Yep. | ||
| And I honestly think that what Nick Fuentes is doing will probably not have staying power. | ||
| I think it'll probably be like in the same way that like in 2000... | ||
| 2011, 2012, looking at the Tea Party, you'd think this is going to be here forever. | ||
| Because you're in the middle of it. | ||
| I don't think that what Nick is doing is going to be the next ascendant part of the right or anything like that. | ||
| But it does have a lot of potential to disrupt a lot of things. | ||
| And it also has the potential to strengthen and reinforce a lot of the worst parts. | ||
| Which could have an effect. | ||
| But that doesn't... | ||
| I don't know. | ||
| I'm not bought into the idea that he is the next rising star that's going to be here, the next William F. Buckley type, although he would probably be mad if I said that. | ||
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Yeah, yeah, yeah. | |
| He didn't hate gay people enough! | ||
| Right. | ||
| I mean, I don't think that that's the case, but I think that because we're in the present day and because we're people who follow Alex... | ||
| I have to recognize that this is an existential threat to Alex. | ||
| And that's why you don't work with people like this. | ||
| This is why you have some kind of a standard of like, no, getting involved here is only going to be trouble. | ||
| You should not engage because when you engage, you open up the possibility for them to completely fuck you. | ||
| Yeah, absolutely. | ||
| They're running a different grift. | ||
| It's so funny because it is that... | ||
| Like, they're so hard right, they're doing exactly the same thing the ALD, the Anti-Defamation League is doing, where it's like, Alex for so long is like, no, no, no, I'm not racist. | ||
| They're unfairly painting me as racist. | ||
| And then the guys on the right are like, oh, you're not racist? | ||
| Then you're full of shit. | ||
| It's basically time to pay the fiddler. | ||
| Like, yeah, they're just shining a light on whether or not you're actually racist. | ||
| Put up or shut up. | ||
| It's almost inevitable. | ||
| Yeah, put up or shut up. | ||
| Are you a racist or not? | ||
| And Alex, because of whatever desperation he has or whatever, brought it upon himself. | ||
| And I think it's interesting. | ||
| I really think that the psychodrama that I was describing at the beginning of this episode about this speech has a lot to do with the fact that... | ||
| It's depressing as hell at the beginning because there's no one there and these people are fucking ding-dongs and losers. | ||
| And then as it goes along, Nick Fuentes' fans show up and really change the character of what's going on. | ||
| Now, at the same time, because it was so depressing at the beginning, Alex is fucking wasted and he's in no position to deal with any of this stuff. | ||
| I don't even know if he could sober, but drunk, absolutely not. | ||
| And so, like the tip of the spear, like the king of the Americana movement, He goes to bed. | ||
| It's great. | ||
| It's great. | ||
| It's just such perfect. | ||
| It's exactly the payoff you would expect. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| It reminds me, like, I've run shows before where it wound up being that the feature act brought, like, 15 people. | ||
| Sure. | ||
| And the people who showed up not for the feature act were, like, four. | ||
| And then everybody leaves because the feature act, oh, no, no, I gotta go do a different show. | ||
| All 15 people. | ||
| The headliner is just sitting there going like, I wish I was like Alex Jones right now and I could just go to bed. | ||
| Well, also, that's what you saw with Gavin when he yelled at everybody. | ||
| It's that they're not here for me, but I have to follow the guy they are here for. | ||
| Yeah, that's not good. | ||
| And they're not leaving because there's an open bar. | ||
| So, I mean, that's... | ||
| Open bar takes precedence. | ||
| Frankly, I would still be there if there was an open bar. | ||
| I'm sad I didn't get to go. | ||
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To feel this live would have been outstanding. | |
| I don't know if I could have been in the raid. | ||
| I don't know if I could have been in the room. | ||
| It would have been brutal. | ||
| Watching it on a video was plenty terrible. | ||
| If I was there and you saw the video, you could definitely hear my cackle at all the wrong points. | ||
| So we have one last clip, and the Q&A session has gone the way it has, and it's mostly Nick Fuentes' fans asking him questions that highlight the differences between themselves and all the rest of conservatives, which again, not in Alex's interest. | ||
| Owen is hosting it, and they get another question, and it's not a question. | ||
| It's a guy grabbing the mic and screaming directly into it about how Julian Sanj needs to be pardoned. | ||
| Sure. | ||
| Owen listens to this for a little bit, and then this is how the event ends. | ||
|
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We need the leaders on this stage to fight for him, because when he is gone, we are gone! | |
| All right, guys. | ||
| Hey, listen. | ||
| Hey, listen, we've got to shut this down. | ||
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Thanks, everybody, for coming. | |
| I want to thank the speakers here tonight. | ||
| And just like that, the free speech summit ends with someone yelling something into the mic and then them being like, we gotta shut this down. | ||
| The whole thing. | ||
| That's it. | ||
| And then they all just left? | ||
| I don't know if they left, because you can see from the video the mics cut off and then people are milling about talking and stuff. | ||
| It doesn't clear out immediately. | ||
| Yeah, the show is over. | ||
| The day has left. | ||
| I don't know about that. | ||
| Even people are still standing on stage. | ||
| But you see that at shows sometimes, too. | ||
| Yeah, yeah, yeah. | ||
| It's not... | ||
| Yeah, I don't know. | ||
| The mics are off, so you can't really tell what anybody's doing. | ||
| People are just milling around, talking, shooting shit. | ||
| Fucking people. | ||
| This summit was an embarrassment. | ||
| This is a disaster! | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| There's so much stuff that's like... | ||
| Really pretty funny, though. | ||
| And also very sad. | ||
| I feel like I just lived through Titus Andronicus. | ||
| Alex just got fed his family. | ||
| This is a fucking tragedy. | ||
| It is. | ||
| If you're Alex, it is. | ||
| He has to be really worried now. | ||
| Because he's invited into his own space and into his own world the element that could... | ||
| I mean, we could maybe... | ||
| Have some sort of an influence on his audience that they're like, wait, he's lying about stuff. | ||
| But that's kind of unlikely. | ||
| But the element of Nick and these people who are like, you're not real conservatives, we are real conservatives. | ||
| Well, you don't put it that way. | ||
| No, no, of course not. | ||
| You frame it in terms of the language of like, he doesn't really care about these issues that are conservative. | ||
| That could do some serious damage to him. | ||
| And he's invited it into his own home and boosted it and elevated it because he thinks he can get something out of it. | ||
| And he can't. | ||
| That road. | ||
| He's blocked. | ||
| He's not getting InfoWarriors from the Groypers. | ||
| But the Groypers could get Alex's audience to radicalize towards them. | ||
| I will say this directly to Alex as a cautionary tale. | ||
| You know those Sith who give you that great theme song? | ||
| You know the Sith you love so much? | ||
| The point is the Padawan is destined to kill the Master. | ||
| That is how the Sith operate. | ||
| You need to know this. | ||
| Plan ahead. | ||
| That's fair enough. | ||
| I mean, Alex is resilient, like Kaga Roach, so I don't think that he's going to be destroyed by this, but it's going to make his job much harder. | ||
| I think that Infowars is resilient enough that he's going to be able to navigate this in some form, but I do think that it could... | ||
| If things keep going the way they're going, it could force him into situations where he has to make positions that he's... | ||
| been wishy-washy and vague about in the past. | ||
| And that vagueness is very politically useful to him. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
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The disappearance of that vagueness creates a, like, because one of the things that the Groypers are specifically aiming to do is nail people down on positions. | |
| Yeah. | ||
|
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So for Alex to have to be nailed down on something like, we should get rid of all foreign aid to Israel. | |
| Right. | ||
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What else does that imply? | |
| How does that change the rest of your coverage? | ||
| What else comes from that? | ||
| Or even getting rid of all legal immigration. | ||
| What comes from that? | ||
| How does your coverage have to change? | ||
| It's a challenge he's not up to. | ||
| And it could cut down on his bottom line at a time when he really needs as much as he can. | ||
| I mean, we'll see. | ||
| I have no idea. | ||
| But I had an interesting time and a weird psychological rollercoaster watching this. | ||
| And I'm glad to be able to share some of it with you. | ||
| Not so much the failed congressional candidates and some of those bummers. | ||
| I think they'll be okay. | ||
| I think what's fascinating is that you've really put down a great case for For the crisis point, only being able to come from the right. | ||
| I think that's probably fair. | ||
| You know what I'm saying? | ||
| There's no pressure that the left could put on Alex to nail him down on aid to Israel or whatever it is. | ||
| Not really. | ||
| He can always just... | ||
| But coming from an ascendant talent like Fuentes at his own fucking house. | ||
| And particularly with an organic base of people behind him. | ||
| Yeah, yeah, yeah. | ||
| Without that, Nick wouldn't have as much power or ability to do these things as he does. | ||
| But because he has a bunch of people, and if you look at the room, Alex doesn't. | ||
| Sure. | ||
| Isn't that funny? | ||
| Yeah, it does create a relative power imbalance. | ||
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Absolutely. | |
| It's the purity test of the bigot. | ||
| And Alex will inevitably fail that if he sticks to what he's been doing forever. | ||
| Right. | ||
| Or force himself into satisfying that purity test, and then he becomes more overtly a bigot. | ||
| No, that's what I'm saying. | ||
| It's a dangerous thing, yeah. | ||
| It's like the ironic ADL. | ||
| Look, the ADL can point out all the ways that you're a racist, but only racists can make you say it. | ||
| Only racists can be like, are you a racist or not? | ||
| That's an interesting axiom. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| Yeah, and we'll see what happens. | ||
| But we'll be back, Jordan. | ||
| But until then, we have a website. | ||
| We do have a website. | ||
| It's knowledgefight.com. | ||
| Right. | ||
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Hello, Alex. | |
| I'm a first-time caller. | ||
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I'm a huge fan. | |
| I love your work. |