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March 9, 2020 - Knowledge Fight
03:24:24
#406: March 1-4, 2020

Today, Dan and Jordan take a look at the beginning of last week on the Alex Jones Show. In this installment, Alex's coronavirus narrative shifts considerably, Alex desperately tries to start a fight with Sebastian Gorka, and a disproportionate amount of time is spent mocking Bloomberg's eating habits. [CW: At approximately 3:05:00, Alex and a guest discuss BPD and self-harm in a very gross way.]

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alex jones
35:33
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dan friesen
02:03:35
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jordan holmes
29:18
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mike adams
03:32
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steve pieczenik
02:36
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stewart rhodes
01:54
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francis a boyle
00:12
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owen shroyer
00:09
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Speaker Time Text
unidentified
I'm sick of them posing as if they're the good guys, saying we are the bad guys.
alex jones
Knowledge fight.
unidentified
Dan and Jordan, knowledge fight.
alex jones
We need money.
unidentified
Andy in Kansas.
Andy in Kansas.
Stop it.
alex jones
Andy in Kansas.
Andy in Kansas.
It's time to pray.
Andy in Kansas, you're on the air.
Thanks for holding us.
unidentified
Hello, Alex.
I'm a first time caller.
I'm a huge fan.
alex jones
I love your room.
unidentified
Knowledge Fight.
alex jones
KnowledgeFight.com I love you.
dan friesen
Hey, everybody.
Welcome back to Knowledge Fight.
I'm Dan.
jordan holmes
I'm Jordan.
dan friesen
We're a couple dudes like to sit around and drink novelty beverages and talk a little bit about Alex Jones.
jordan holmes
Indeed we are, Dan.
dan friesen
Jordan.
Jordan.
jordan holmes
Let me ask you a quick question.
dan friesen
What up?
jordan holmes
Have you ever been late because of daylight savings time, Dan?
dan friesen
Yeah, I'm sure I have.
jordan holmes
Nothing in specific?
dan friesen
It absolutely doesn't stick out in my head because...
jordan holmes
You were late all the time.
dan friesen
Many times I was tardy to various employments that I had.
So it was not super out of the...
You're asking me this because we were texting before the show and I told you I had no idea.
jordan holmes
Yeah, exactly.
I was thinking that and I was like, this must happen every year.
dan friesen
I texted you and was like, yeah, so how about...
11. Yeah, because I thought it was 9.30.
jordan holmes
Right, of course.
dan friesen
And it was actually 10.30.
Like, oh, shit.
jordan holmes
I was sitting there.
dan friesen
I had no idea what time it was.
jordan holmes
You were like, let's do 11. And it was 10.17.
I haven't even showered yet.
No, we're not doing fucking 11. Yeah.
dan friesen
No, I don't know.
I guess, like, when I worked in an office, I was obviously so much more aware of it because everybody talks about it.
It's all going around.
And then in the past, like, this is probably the first time I've been caught completely unaware.
All these other daylight savings time instances, I've just seen tons of dumb jokes on Twitter.
This is the first time I didn't see anything.
jordan holmes
There's a little bit more going on.
dan friesen
That could be it.
jordan holmes
Everybody's like, spring forward.
Fuck that.
Let's get Joe Biden.
dan friesen
I've been really busy, too, with preparation for this episode.
So it's been pretty crunch time kind of stuff.
So I haven't had a lot of time to dick around and maybe find those bad jokes on Twitter.
I don't know.
But anyway, I'm still on old daylight savings time.
unidentified
I gotcha.
I gotcha.
dan friesen
We'll make this work.
jordan holmes
We'll catch up.
I'm still writing 2019 on my checks.
dan friesen
Still writing June on your checks.
So, Jordan, this is Pagas.
I don't know much about being late because of daylight savings, but I do know a lot about Alex Jones.
jordan holmes
And I don't know much about either.
dan friesen
So today, Jordan, we got an interesting episode to go over.
We're covering the span of March 1st to 4th, 2020.
I'm Dan.
This is 2020.
Goddammit.
And it's going to be part one of two, kind of.
Our Wednesday episode will cover Thursday and Friday of last week.
This is Sunday through Wednesday.
And we will cover the end of the week.
And I'll explain why there's a dichotomy.
But before I get to that, before I get to that explanation, we're going to take a moment to say thank you to the folks who signed up and are supporting the show.
So first, Reid, thank you so much.
You are now a policy wonk.
alex jones
I'm a policy wonk.
jordan holmes
Thank you, Reid.
dan friesen
Thank you, Reid.
Something Alex doesn't do.
jordan holmes
Get out of here.
dan friesen
Next, Richard.
Thank you so much.
You're now a policy wonk.
alex jones
I'm a policy wonk.
jordan holmes
Thanks, Richard.
dan friesen
Thank you, Rich.
Next, Casey.
Thank you so much.
You're now a policy wonk.
alex jones
I'm a policy wonk.
jordan holmes
Thanks, Casey.
dan friesen
Thanks, Casey.
Next, Tom from Bristol.
Thank you so much.
You're now a policy wonk.
alex jones
I'm a policy wonk.
jordan holmes
Thank you, Tom from Bristol.
dan friesen
Thank you, Tom.
Next, Clone Tool K. L-O-N-E-T-U-U-L Thank you so much.
You are now a policy wonk.
alex jones
I'm a policy wonk.
jordan holmes
Thank you, Clone Tool.
dan friesen
Thank you.
Next, Robotronic with two N's.
Thank you so much.
You are now a policy wonk.
alex jones
I'm a policy wonk.
jordan holmes
Is the N in front of Robotronic silent?
Is that the one?
No, no, no.
dan friesen
Where there was one, there is two.
jordan holmes
Robotronic, thank you very much.
dan friesen
Next, The Other Melinda.
Thank you so much.
You are now a policy wonk.
alex jones
I'm a policy wonk.
jordan holmes
Thank you, The Other Melinda.
Although I think, you know, you should be the main Melinda.
dan friesen
Yeah, own the Melinda space.
jordan holmes
Yeah, it's a point of view less than...
unidentified
Sure.
dan friesen
Yeah.
And The People's Bayonet.
Thank you so much.
You are now a policy wonk.
alex jones
I'm a policy wonk.
jordan holmes
Thank you, The People's Bayonet.
dan friesen
Yeah, and finally, I'd like to say thank you to a couple people who donated on an elevated level, and we appreciate that very much.
So first, Shay, thank you so much.
You are now a technocrat.
And Chris with no H, thank you so much.
You are now a technocrat.
alex jones
I'm a policy wonk.
Crikey, mate, that's fantastic.
Have yourself a brew.
How's your 401k doing, bro?
All right, we gotta go full tilt boogie on this, Watson, all right?
Let's just get down to business.
We ain't making that money off that heroin.
Why are you pimp so good?
My neck is freakishly large.
I declare Infowar on you.
dan friesen
Thank you so much, Shay and Chris.
If you're out there listening and you're thinking, hey, I enjoy the show, I like what these gents do, I'd like to support the show, you can do that by going to our website, knowledgefight.com, clicking the button to support the show.
We would appreciate it.
jordan holmes
Yes, that would be very helpful.
dan friesen
Also, very special thank you to Lar.
jordan holmes
Absolutely.
dan friesen
Our very talented artist.
jordan holmes
At Lardist.
Yeah, yeah, yeah.
On Twitter, at Lardist.
dan friesen
We were talking about how I wanted an emotional support pelican.
Based on Alex's contention that there are emotional support pelicans on airplanes because liberals are crazy.
jordan holmes
Did you get one?
dan friesen
I did, actually, in the form of a cartoon.
And I sent it your way and you have turned it into a shirt that people can now get if they would like.
There's a button on our website, knowledgefight.com that says shirts.
If you just go there, it'll direct you to the store where you can buy it.
There's that.
There's the...
Purple Penguin shirt.
Absolutely.
jordan holmes
Three of our shirt designs are all Lar.
And he's incredible.
Thank you very much.
dan friesen
They're all very oblique inside jokes.
jordan holmes
They've got crossover appeal, Dan.
dan friesen
That's the main thing.
But thank you so much, Lar.
And if you'd like that, please go enjoy.
It's a great, cranky-looking pelican.
jordan holmes
It is.
The eye is haunting.
Yes, absolutely.
dan friesen
So, Jordan, today.
A lot of meat on the plate.
unidentified
Yes.
dan friesen
A lot of stuff to get into.
But before we get down to business, we've got to take a little moment to hear an Out of Context drop from today's show.
alex jones
Alex, why the hell are you talking about cheeseburgers here on air?
Because I don't know what to do at this point.
unidentified
That's what I was doing.
dan friesen
That's what I would do, too.
jordan holmes
Yeah, that's the best decision I think he's ever made.
dan friesen
I would fuck around and listen.
I'd just start talking about cheeseburgers if I had no idea what to do.
So March 1st is when Alex gets back from his vacation to CPAC, where, of course, we covered his rally that was embarrassing and a disaster.
jordan holmes
Right, but at least he didn't get coronavirus, so...
dan friesen
Remains to be seen.
I know as we're recording this, that's still a developing story.
There's still uncertainty around any kind of exposure that might have happened with the one person at CPAC who has tested positive for coronavirus.
I have no idea.
I would not like to speculate because that feels...
jordan holmes
Oh yeah, no, not going to bother with that.
dan friesen
But Alex was there.
He did his dumb rally.
He did some other dumb stuff.
And he's back in studio.
So this is the Sunday episode when he is returned.
Right.
unidentified
And I was hoping that he would talk about the rally.
dan friesen
And he does not.
jordan holmes
course not.
It was a disaster.
dan friesen
It does not come up.
unidentified
At all?
dan friesen
No.
unidentified
When he talks about going to CPAC, he claims that he was going to CPAC in order to gauge how strong the neocons were.
dan friesen
Sure.
unidentified
He's like a Sure!
dan friesen
It's pretty ridiculous.
jordan holmes
It's a secret investigation.
He was hired by Eric Prince to infiltrate CPAC.
dan friesen
So we're starting on the first, and we'll get through the fourth.
And the reason that I cut it off there, instead of going the whole week, is one, the whole week would have been way too much to go over in one sitting.
Second, on the fifth, on Thursday, Alex shaved his head.
jordan holmes
I saw.
I was unable to avoid that information.
dan friesen
Right.
Alex shaved his goddamn head.
jordan holmes
On the show?
dan friesen
No.
jordan holmes
Oh, damn it!
dan friesen
But he has a bald-ass head.
So from the fifth onward, it's a new era of Alex.
jordan holmes
That's true.
dan friesen
It's bald Alex.
jordan holmes
It's bald.
dan friesen
So, in essence, this episode is the last few days left of Harry Alex.
jordan holmes
This is before Andre Agassi removed his wig.
dan friesen
Right.
So, it's sort of like a BCAD situation.
We're going through the last years of BC.
jordan holmes
Anno Baldini, I believe.
dan friesen
Absolutely.
So, we start here on the first, and Alex, I guess he had some premonitions about some things.
alex jones
Well, my advice to President Trump is this.
Beware the Ides of March.
And I was thinking that yesterday afternoon when I was looking up at Leap Year Day, February 29th, and I sat back and I went, Beware the Ides of March.
And I didn't watch Saturday Night Live last night.
In fact, I went to bed pretty early after going to one of my friend's 50th birthday parties with my children.
dan friesen
Happy birthday.
alex jones
But as I laid there in bed, I thought, beware the Ides of March.
And then I got up this morning.
The video's up on Saturday Night Live.
And they're making threats about Julius Caesar and the Ides of March.
And how they're coming after President Trump.
jordan holmes
All right.
dan friesen
Literally every year, Alex ominously talks about the Ides of March.
jordan holmes
We're on year 20 of the Ides of March being an issue.
dan friesen
The reason is because it's one of the few literate references he has that makes him sound smart and researched to dumb people.
jordan holmes
Sure, sure, sure.
dan friesen
Either that, or he's super into late 70s horn rock.
jordan holmes
Oh, yeah?
dan friesen
I'm your vehicle, baby!
alex jones
Oh, get out of here.
jordan holmes
Get out of here.
Nobody's into 70s horn.
dan friesen
That song's really great.
Usually one of my big karaoke numbers.
I think Alex wants you to think he's psychic and he's in touch with some larger thing in the universe because he thought about the Ides of March and then the next morning he sees something reasonably close to that on SNL, so he must be reading the zeitgeist.
I have a suspicion that Alex did watch SNL because he's really mirroring things really closely.
He's upset about a joke in John Mulaney's intro set.
In Mulaney's bit, he sets up the joke by establishing that Caesar is where leap years started.
So Alex, the leap year part is even connected.
jordan holmes
Was Mulaney hosting last night?
dan friesen
Last week.
jordan holmes
Oh, last week.
dan friesen
Okay.
From when we were recording.
jordan holmes
That's right.
Now I remember where we are.
unidentified
Yes.
dan friesen
Mulaney's whole joke is that leap years started under Caesar, and another thing they did back then was all the senators stabbed Caesar because he was power mad.
The tag to that joke is him saying that he called his lawyer to see if he could say that joke, and his lawyer called another lawyer who said it was cool.
unidentified
So there's a layer to the joke.
jordan holmes
Alright, so what was the first lawyer thinking?
dan friesen
I don't know.
Gotta call another lawyer.
jordan holmes
That's not good.
dan friesen
However you slice it, Alex's interpretation of things is really unfair.
To characterize Mulaney's bit as a threat that they're coming after Trump Caesar style is just ridiculous.
I'm not sure if that joke is great, and I bet it probably could be improved with a couple more rounds of edits, but it's clearly a joke.
Like, if Nick DiPaolo got on stage at SNL and started talking about how all the black people in the country need to go and started throwing around slurs, Alex would get on air the next day to defend that as free speech.
jordan holmes
100%.
dan friesen
And complain about how if DiPaolo faces any consequences, it's proof of the authoritarian left destroying Americana.
jordan holmes
They're trying to censor us.
dan friesen
But a joke at the dear leader's expense, that's no longer a joke.
That's a threat.
Ignore the fact that it has all the characteristic structure of a joke.
It was said on a comedy program and the people laughed and it was followed with a tag.
That's no joke.
My point is that Alex does not give a fuck about any notions of free speech.
If he had the ability, he would probably try and put Mulaney in jail.
jordan holmes
Absolutely.
At two Mulaney.
dan friesen
Yeah, exactly.
So, one of the primary preoccupations on this Sunday show is obviously coronavirus.
unidentified
Sure.
dan friesen
Alex has gotten back into studio having not been able to cover it while Mike Adams and Alan Keyes were hosting while he was gone.
jordan holmes
Again, really struggling with that fact.
dan friesen
Right.
So now, the situation as Alex sees it is that there's two camps in the world.
And one is saying that the virus is a hoax and it's not real.
unidentified
Right.
dan friesen
It's all bullshit.
jordan holmes
Sure.
dan friesen
And the other is saying that it's the end of humanity.
alex jones
Right.
dan friesen
And...
jordan holmes
I think there's a middle ground.
dan friesen
Sure.
alex jones
Now, I want to explain something.
I know the listeners know this is why you tune in.
You've seen the track record.
My North Star is telling the truth.
And I don't ever hype something up unless I really think it's of great concern.
jordan holmes
What about that homeless guy with the chip?
alex jones
And so there are two camps out there and there shouldn't be.
There's a camp saying that the virus is a total hoax and is no big deal and is a total fraud.
And there's a camp saying it's the end of the world, Armageddon.
That's the Communist Chinese, the UN, and others.
jordan holmes
No, that's your guy.
dan friesen
Wait, wait.
That's the Communists?
That's literally...
Because Mike Adams said...
mike adams
It's over for humanity.
There will only be lone survivors.
dan friesen
So wait, he's a Communist Chinese globalist now?
Mike Adams is...
He does not...
That's weird.
jordan holmes
Here's my problem with the two camps.
He is in both of them simultaneously.
dan friesen
That is something that's going to make things very confusing.
jordan holmes
That is an issue.
unidentified
Right.
dan friesen
So up to this point, Alex has been pretty extreme on the, like, everyone's going to die.
Or at least at times, he's been very much in the doom, you've got to get my silver if you want to survive kind of thing.
He's been really extreme on that note, but he's trying to walk that back now.
There is a real sense that he's trying to make this a more real world propaganda narrative.
Okay.
unidentified
And that is by focusing almost entirely on the idea of the supply chain disruptions.
dan friesen
I said, I don't know how deadly this virus really is.
alex jones
I don't know how communicable it really is.
But I said, this is going to attack the world economy.
This is an attack on President Trump.
This is an attack on America.
unidentified
Sure.
alex jones
And so the supply chain attack is real.
Whether the virus is deadly or not, we know it's deadly, but super deadly, you can leave up to debate.
But the response and the hysteria and the way the media unified and the way all these governments around the world unified, except the United States, we did it first.
And I was dead on.
I'm sorry.
It's just true.
Scary, actually.
That's why they want us off air.
Saying, Mr. President, I'm not sure what's going on, but this is over a month ago, but you're endorsing GGP in this crackdown.
Something big's happening here.
dan friesen
So this is classic Alex right here.
This is what we call a narrative pivot, trying to be engaged in in real time.
Because up to this point, he's had tons of interviews with Francis Boyle and Mike Adams on almost every show Mike Adams has been on, talking about definitive proof that this virus is a bioweapon, it's probably race-specific, the Chinese either intentionally used it on themselves or they accidentally released it while planning to use it on us.
It's been a gigantic fear orgy, surrounding the idea that there are tens of thousands more dead than China has said, and how it's already loose in the United States and coming for you.
Like, it's been largely the editorial line.
jordan holmes
Well, you are the supply chain, Dan.
You're part of the game.
Yeah, exactly.
dan friesen
That's the situation.
No, that's the demand chain.
jordan holmes
Slightly different.
dan friesen
So, I mean, I won't sit here and deny that Alex has brought up about how the virus will throw off the economy and it's all an attack on Trump.
jordan holmes
Yeah, so is everybody else.
dan friesen
But that has not been the primary driver of his content.
That has been something he's said, but now it's the main thing.
And that, to me, is indicative of a shift.
I feel a shift.
jordan holmes
I agree.
dan friesen
So Alex talks about the CDC and how they're in on a conspiracy or something.
alex jones
Look at the CDC telling him it's no big deal and not a problem.
He was finally getting it, but I went, but it's bigger than that.
When it becomes a problem, then they're going to say he didn't respond properly to it.
Ladies and gentlemen, three days ago, it's like they flipped a light switch.
Every radio show that's national, that's establishment, newspapers, MSNBC, CNN, ABC, all the usual suspects.
I've got dozens of reports right here.
You've all seen them.
President Trump caused this.
President Trump didn't do enough.
President Trump's trying to cover it up.
jordan holmes
I mean, yeah.
alex jones
And so conservatives who know Trump's under attack go, I don't believe CNN.
I don't believe MSNBC.
It must be a hoax.
So they start asking us, hey, what are you doing attacking the president?
Because you're saying it's serious.
Yes, I'm saying it's serious.
Because of how the whole media is unified, how they use it for martial law in Italy and China and now all over the world, Switzerland, all over, clearly this is a big global move.
People better get ready.
dan friesen
So, the narrative, the plan that he's describing is that the CDC came out and they said, ah, it's no big deal, no bad, whatever, hey guys, be cool.
jordan holmes
Yeah, that was them.
dan friesen
In order to lull Trump into not doing anything.
jordan holmes
Right.
dan friesen
And then when it's bad, Trump looks the fool.
I don't care.
jordan holmes
I hate these people.
I hate them.
dan friesen
I hate them.
And then what Alex is describing there, too, about the idea that CNN is writing articles about how Trump's response has been flawed, or there have been things that could have been done that weren't done.
You know, experts saying, what the hell?
You have those articles, and then...
Dumb-dumbs who think that every article that's negative about Trump is an attack on him.
jordan holmes
Of course.
dan friesen
Well, this must not be true.
jordan holmes
Right, right, right, right.
dan friesen
He's just describing an ecosystem of...
unidentified
Bullshit.
dan friesen
Well, just bad thinking.
unidentified
Yeah.
dan friesen
Just terrible, terrible thinking.
jordan holmes
Absolutely.
dan friesen
So, Alex has this going on.
It's all disruption of the supply chain in order to attack Trump.
And there's a secondary aspect to this.
And that is that the virus in China itself was used by China so they could shut down their economy.
alex jones
Right?
dan friesen
It makes no sense.
jordan holmes
I refuse.
alex jones
If China just shut its factories off, that would piss their employees, their workers, and the stockholders off.
If China, here's the big enchilada right now.
dan friesen
I love enchiladas.
jordan holmes
Do you?
alex jones
Because it's all coming together as a war game.
If China just shut their economy down and they just lost a big trade war with America, they've been in a 50-year trade war with us, we didn't even know what was happening because the globalists sold us out.
jordan holmes
Okay.
alex jones
But if they then release a virus they bought from Obama that they know is not super lethal but does kill some people and spreads fast, it'll scare the hell out of folks, they could push a vaccine later and make money off that as well.
And then...
Out of that, they can shut down their factories and order the city shut down, order no one to go to work in all their major industrial sites, and then that kills the global supply chain.
They've just checkmated Trump in America, and you know that's what they did.
They did it with the deep state, with the UN, coordinated with the EU, who were all on board to create the hysteria and fear, bring down the economy worldwide, and then say, President Trump.
And America and people that questioned when it's obviously overblown, well, it's their fault.
dan friesen
Okay.
I'm not even sure Alex really even cares what he's saying.
It honestly feels like he's just kind of happy he was able to get to the end of the sentence without running out of air.
jordan holmes
Yeah, I have no idea what he was trying to say.
dan friesen
This entire conspiracy he's selling sounds great and all.
The idea that China needs this virus in order to cover for just shutting down their economy.
jordan holmes
Sure.
dan friesen
There's some really basic problems that he has considering his years-long established rhetoric.
So, as Alex is selling it, China wants to shut down its economy in order to disrupt the supply chain, which would then embarrass Trump and give the nationalists a black eye or whatever.
jordan holmes
Checkmate.
dan friesen
So, in order to achieve this goal, they purchased a virus from Obama, which they did not, and have released it on their own country.
The reason they needed to go this route is that if they were just to slow down the economy or shut some factories, it would anger the workers.
jordan holmes
Which China has traditionally cared a lot about.
dan friesen
That's really where Alex gets into trouble.
Seeing as every single time he talks about China, he mentions forced abortions and suicide nets in factories.
Every single characterization of China is not one that really cares too much if the workers are pissed off, in Alex's conception.
The China that exists in the Infowars universe is not a government that would need a virus to use as some kind of subterfuge to get away with doing something the workers don't like.
They're authoritarians.
If there's dissent, they crack down on it.
jordan holmes
They ran a tank over a guy.
dan friesen
That's really where this narrative has a problem.
And the fact that there's no reason for China to do this thing to achieve the goal, Alex is claiming they're seeking.
Their motive doesn't make sense, especially given the fact that if the goal is hurting Trump on an economic basis, there's plenty of other moves China could make that would hurt them a bit, but hurt Trump way more politically.
Another problem is that China has been consistently closing down manufacturing plants for years now.
In 2018, Reuters reported on 1,000 manufacturing plants being scheduled to be shuttered by 2020 in Beijing alone, quote, as part of a program aimed at curbing smog and boosting income in neighboring regions.
There is even precedent for China shutting down industry temporarily to deal with an acute problem, which is basically the situation we find ourselves in with the coronavirus.
Back in October 2017, NPR reported on how China's Ministry of Environment had sent out inspectors across the country to determine if factories are following environmental laws.
It was estimated that a full 40% of China's factories were shut down temporarily in an attempt to address the horrible damage being done by filthy manufacturing.
That's tens of thousands of factories.
This had the predicted effect of disrupting the supply chain, with some companies shifting some manufacturing to India and Bangladesh, and others just not being able to produce at full capacity.
Once the work of the Ministry of Environment had been done, things began to get back to normal, and Alex and most of the people in the world probably don't even remember that this happened, that China shut down almost half of its factories less than three years ago.
jordan holmes
I doubt they remember that.
dan friesen
No.
On February 27th, CNBC reported that the National Retail Federation CEO was announcing that, quote, some of the coronavirus-driven supply chain disruption in China is subsiding.
The CEO went on to add, quote, Time reported on March 6th that Starbucks is announcing that after taking a huge hit and having to close most of its stores in China, things are returning to normal.
The vast majority of their shops have reopened, and, quote, early signs of recovery are emerging as the coffee giant is seeing sequential improvements in weekly sales.
On March 7th, Reuters reported on nine IKEA locations reopening in China.
The China Morning Post reported on March 4th that, quote, over 90% of firms in the Guangdong province have resumed operations.
There are still very serious issues to deal with in terms of smaller and medium-sized businesses returning to operation, but a lot of the reason that's been slow to come back is because of transportation-related issues.
As the Financial Times reported, one of the main issues is that a lot of workers are from rural areas, and they're stranded there with no easy way to commute back to areas like Beijing and get back to work.
This gets into a complicated dynamic where full rail service is not back online throughout the country, and also rural authorities in smaller villages are reluctant to raise their full crackdown on people entering or leaving the village.
These local authorities are worried that they'll be held responsible if there are raised infections, so they're not acting without the explicit direction of the central government, according to an article in the Financial Times citing a scholar from Wuhan.
The point is that we're not looking at a complete and perpetual shutdown of China's economy.
There are decent signs that things are starting to return to a more normal posture.
And just to be perfectly clear, I'm not trying to pretend that there won't be ripple effects or there won't be difficulties.
Sure.
unidentified
Because even if China was back to 100% capacity today, it would still take a while for that disruption to work its way through the supply chain.
dan friesen
Absolutely.
unidentified
There are going to be some hiccups, but it doesn't look like the doomsday that Alex wants to portray it to be.
dan friesen
Right.
unidentified
And there are also obviously things that are unforeseen.
dan friesen
We have no idea how things are going to develop a week from now.
So there could be, you know...
Something else that is a wrench in the gears.
But based on the information that's available now, it's not to say that China is out of the woods, not to say everything is resolved, but there are indications...
There is some resuming coming back to normal, which is something that Alex would never want you to know.
jordan holmes
Yeah, that's hopeful.
dan friesen
You can find a lot of business folk who are seeing what's going on, and their response is to suggest that we need to diversify our supply chain to limit the impact that something happening in China has on the larger economy.
You would think that this would be the number one most obvious and predictable response that business would have to a large-scale market disruption.
So if China were trying to do this whole stunt to embarrass Trump, they would have to be doing it knowing fully well that the odds are that business will flee the country in the aftermath.
That seems dumb.
And honestly, my larger point is that Alex's conspiracy really makes no sense unless you're working backwards.
You need to make a way to make this look like an attack on Trump.
And you just kind of write the rest as you see fit.
Fill in the gaps.
That's the only way that this makes any kind of sense.
jordan holmes
Here's the conclusion I'm trying to reach.
Now I need to make not even a series of plausible steps to get there, but any steps at all that might get me there.
dan friesen
Yeah, that's the goal.
So because it's so much about the supply chain now, Alex is trying to like, hey man, I don't know.
I don't know if I said it was super deadly.
jordan holmes
It's over for humanity!
dan friesen
That's a problem.
alex jones
So I'm not going to sit here while anybody misdirects or distracts from what we said that, oh, Jones says the virus is super deadly, but Limbaugh says it's no problem.
And so when the stock market starts tanking, which it has, it's our fault for saying, hey, get ready.
We said get ready because it is man-made in a lab.
Obama transferred it to China on record.
Mainstream news, 2015.
There was a big debate about it.
It's now been released, and the media doesn't want to debate about how it's man-made and who released it and who stands to gain from it.
Who has the means?
Who bought it?
Who wants to win the trade war?
Who's pissed?
Who can shut their people down and treat them like slaves and prop up their stock market because they're totally rigged while hurting ours?
dan friesen
So this is kind of gaslighting.
I think that Alex has realized that he's completely out of step with the right-wing media and Trump.
And not only that, kind of out of step with the new information that's coming out about the virus.
So now he's pretending, you know, I wasn't mostly talking about this being super deadly.
Which is a really weird thing to claim.
Because I listen to his show.
And because of that, I can play you this super cut of times that he and his friends said it was super deadly.
alex jones
So what we think they're doing is they're just putting the number of dead as the number of infected.
Piles of dead bodies in body bags.
Clearly this is much bigger.
From your sources at the UN, from your own research, how bad is this?
francis a boyle
Well, Alex, you had this so-called tabletop computer game at Johns Hopkins.
alex jones
Oh, Bill Gates again, 65 million dead.
francis a boyle
That's the only figure I have seen that seems to be credible.
unidentified
Guess what?
In mainland China, it's 7.40 a.m. over there.
Shanghai, Beijing, Shenzhou, Guangzhou.
steve pieczenik
Hey, it's time to get up and let's get to work, folks.
Not like you got a lot of money.
unidentified
that comes out to be a 20% mortality rate.
So even the official numbers now show it has a much higher death rate.
alex jones
Yeah, the Chinese government says 15%.
Barnes, you look at a lot of numbers.
I'm going to shift gears when we come back into the huge coronavirus developments.
It's killing people on the cruise ships now.
Multiple cruise ships, people are dying.
That means it isn't hype.
It is killing people, and it's spreading very fast.
But now the numbers are coming out.
We know that it is indeed killing healthy young people, and it is killing a high number of those.
That are infected.
Yes, this virus is deadly.
It's not like SARS and things that were just to hype up and scare people and only killed a few hundred.
This has already killed thousands and thousands.
The videos are pouring out.
The chai comms can't contain it.
The censorship isn't working.
And it does have a high kill rate.
Hell, if it's 5%, it's devastating.
Lancet says it can be high as 18%.
steve pieczenik
I treated a patient a month ago.
It was really the first case of the coronavirus before it was ever reported of a gentleman who met with a Chinese individual and got the pneumonia and was treated with high doses of antibiotics.
I have to know this individual very well because that individual happens to be me.
jordan holmes
Boom!
mike adams
For humanity, there will only be lone survivors.
dan friesen
I'm not saying any of this to pump up any claims like I have elevated wisdom or anything, but I knew a pivot was coming.
That's part of why I keep playing that drop of Mike Adams saying that it's over for humanity, because I know from watching InfoWars for as long as I have that they would eventually change the entire story to something else and pretend they didn't play this game hard because it was working to sell food buckets.
I'm not going to sit here and pretend that Alex didn't occasionally mention the trade war, his background motivation for China having false flagged itself, but the economic stuff was absolutely not front and center in these conspiracies.
The primary driver of a lot of his coverage was surrounding how deadly this virus was and how it wasn't a hoax like he decided Zika and SARS and Ebola were.
All the stuff Alex said in that clip isn't true.
It's not true that he didn't focus strongly on how deadly the virus was.
It's not true that Obama sold the virus to China.
It's not true that there's proof that the virus is man-made.
Those are all just the salvageable narrative pieces he built while he was trying to support his argument that millions were going to die and you need to buy his silver gargle and food buckets if you want to survive.
Much like viruses themselves, propaganda narratives mutate in order to accommodate the propagandists' needs.
We saw this in our breakdown of the Boston bombing coverage, how Alex was constantly shifting things around based on where he wanted it to go.
He's doing that now, and I kind of suspect that there's two reasons why.
The first is that if he keeps going with this death panic, he would put himself squarely at odds with Trump.
If you're screaming about how the virus is going to kill everyone and your hero president is calling it, you know, hey, no big deal, we're all super prepared, everything's good.
It's hard to maintain positive coverage of that guy.
The second is that Jim Baker fucked up Alex's silver gargle sales plan, which was really the main monetary reason for Alex to spread the medical side of the panic.
Baker tried to sell his silver the same way Alex did, by lying about it being proven to cure coronavirus.
And in response, the New York Attorney General sent him a cease and desist letter.
Baker went too public with the scam.
And now there's a very explicit order from a state attorney general threatening to take action on someone selling his shit that way.
Alex obviously knows that and probably doesn't want to pay millions in fees.
The food bucket sales are compatible with a generalized financial panic, however.
So it makes some sense that he would be able to place his narratives there and be good land.
jordan holmes
Yeah, you can still sell some food buckets out of this.
dan friesen
If Ted Anderson hadn't had the state of Minnesota strip him of his gold sales license and Bob Chapman weren't dead, he could guarantee that this would be a long prophesied summer of rage.
jordan holmes
Oh yeah.
dan friesen
And Alex would be selling gold so damn hard.
jordan holmes
And you can guarantee if Trump sold Trump-branded food buckets, this would be the biggest catastrophe in the history of the world.
dan friesen
Yeah.
So there's another part there at the end that I think we should pay attention to.
The end of Alex's initial clip before that supercut.
Earlier, his argument was that China would need to fake this virus outbreak in order to shut down their economy without angering the workers.
But in that last clip, you heard Alex use his standard line on China.
Their economy is completely fake and controlled.
Their workers are slaves and the state does whatever he wants.
He has these things so down pat, it's like cruise control for him to spout them off.
So he doesn't realize that if these things he's saying are true, it takes the legs out of this new conspiracy.
He just doesn't think things through very much and he's totally fine with internal inconsistencies.
jordan holmes
I think he's also probably feeling that certain betrayal of like...
Man, I've been out on the front here trying to do this and I turn and look behind me and all of you guys are in the opposite direction.
Motherfuckers, I have been trying.
I have been fighting for you and I'm not getting the lines anymore.
dan friesen
Now, I want to be clear.
This is how this show feels.
This is how Sunday feels.
unidentified
Okay.
dan friesen
This feeling may not last.
jordan holmes
Oh, no.
Jesus Christ.
dan friesen
So, anyway, Alex believes that this virus is largely an attack on Trump.
That's mostly what's going on.
That's the primary thing.
jordan holmes
Narcissism by proxy.
dan friesen
Absolutely.
But not just Trump.
alex jones
A global problem needs a global solution.
This is their answer to Balasaro in Brazil and to President Trump here and to the Brexit in the UK and what's happening in Europe.
This is it.
dan friesen
So, I know it probably seemed petty of me to keep playing these clips where Alex doesn't know Bolsonaro's name, but I wouldn't do it if there wasn't a bigger reason to.
It's been months and months that Alex has been boosting Bolsonaro, but for the first stretch, he was just calling him Brazil's Trump.
Then, at a certain point, he started mispronouncing it pretty wildly.
At no point has anyone at Infowars corrected him.
At no point has he realized he was fucking that up.
It just seems like he may not have a good grasp on the subject he's covering.
And to make matters worse, Alex interviewed Bolsonaro's son at CPAC mere days before this episode that we're listening to here.
If you listen to that interview, if you watch it, it seems like Alex is aware that he doesn't know this guy's dad's name.
So he keeps referring to him as your father.
jordan holmes
No!
How?
dan friesen
Here is the introduction to that interview.
alex jones
Well, here we are with the son of the Brazilian president who's a real maverick.
dan friesen
He can't say his name.
jordan holmes
He just can't do it.
And he definitely won't say it to...
His son's face.
dan friesen
And I think Bolsonaro's son pronounces it very Brazilian.
unidentified
Yeah, yeah, yeah.
dan friesen
And Alex can't mirror it.
jordan holmes
Bolsonaro!
Now, damn it!
dan friesen
Stay out of Tuscany.
jordan holmes
Yeah, exactly.
dan friesen
So Alex is convinced that one of the reasons that he's correct about this narrative that the virus is just to attack Trump is because the media Media can't stop attacking Trump.
jordan holmes
Can't do it.
dan friesen
And he plays one clip.
I don't know if I heard him play any others.
This is the only one I remember him playing that demonstrates his claim.
alex jones
Here's the controlled corporate media salivating over it.
We told you it was coming a month ago.
Here it is.
dan friesen
Salivating.
unidentified
The thing I kept thinking about here is that clearly this is a potentially huge problem for Donald Trump.
At the same time though, do Democrats actually be careful in how they use this sort of health emergency to attack the President?
Well, I think they're actually in pretty solid footing to go after the president on this, mostly because there aren't heads at the CDC and the National Institutes of Health.
He's cut funding there.
I really think that his lack of response, Donald Trump's lack of response to getting in front of this looks very similar to what actually happened in China, where you act like it's not a problem, and then you respond quite late, and then maybe you put a Vice President Pence in charge who's not a medical doctor.
alex jones
Come back with the rest of this, folks.
This is a total setup.
We're proven right again.
dan friesen
That's not the media salivating over the possibility of attacking Trump.
jordan holmes
I did not hear a salivation there.
dan friesen
That's a very measured conversation about whether or not it's a good idea to point the finger at Trump for the way his administration has handled a public health situation.
Obviously, there's a ton of issues surrounding Trump's response, many of them pretty well laid out by that anchor, but I'm not really going to get into that water right now.
I'm not really well-versed enough to be able to really assess a lot of that stuff while the situation is ongoing.
And there are a lot of other sources people can get information from.
I will address the sorts of things.
If Alex makes a specific claim about something, I don't mind getting into it.
But I don't want to risk making it seem like my discussion of this virus situation comes from a desire to score points against Trump.
So I'm going to err on the side of...
Not dwelling on that too much.
jordan holmes
I'm going to go with it's bad, but I don't know how bad.
dan friesen
Uh-huh.
jordan holmes
Yeah.
dan friesen
So that clip is important for one major reason.
This is not the media salivating to attack Trump.
It's a restrained, articulated series of points about what appear to be bad signs about the government's response to a public health crisis.
jordan holmes
That's the way the globalists salivate.
dan friesen
Sure.
But that needs to be reframed as a rabid attempt to smear Trump, because Alex has predicted that would be what the globalist media does.
jordan holmes
Of course!
dan friesen
On some level, I'm convinced that Alex made the prediction that the globalist media would attack him for not...
Doing well because he knew that Trump would bungle the response to the virus.
And inevitably, the media would cover that.
There would be stories about the CDC funding.
There would be voices of concern about putting Pence in charge.
There would be a lot of questions being asked about why certain things weren't done sooner.
In order to inoculate the audience from hearing those questions as reporting and reality, Alex has established in advance that this sort of coverage is actually proof that the whole thing is a globalist plot to begin with.
And the coverage is actually the payoff of that plan.
They released the virus to sink the stock market to attack Trump, and now they get to attack him for not responding well.
The thing that's kind of hilarious about Alex's underlying argument is that even his narrative includes an admission that Trump didn't handle the virus situation well.
Even he's not trying to deny that.
He's just loudly yelling and pointing somewhere else so his listeners don't realize it.
And saying like, oh, he only didn't respond well because the CDC told him not to.
Or something.
jordan holmes
That's weird.
I find the reality fascinating that as long as Trump is doing an awful job, the media will criticize him for it, which then makes the white aggrievement conservative narrative function.
It's always an attack on Trump.
So he can either do a really terrible job and the media calls him a shit president for it, or he can do a good job and get praise for it.
But if he gets praised by the media, then that aggrievement merit narrative doesn't really work.
It's almost like the conservative propaganda machine is relying on Trump to be a shitty president in order to continue their narrative.
dan friesen
One of Alex's long-standing things is talking about how he would tell people in the media that if they wanted to destroy Rand Paul...
Or Ron Paul.
What they need to do is endorse him.
jordan holmes
Right.
dan friesen
And in order for them to endorse him, he'd have to not be a crazy wingding.
jordan holmes
So it would be a smart move.
dan friesen
So it is kind of the same dynamic.
It's like you have to be not yourself in order for the media to...
jordan holmes
Exactly.
dan friesen
Yeah.
It's not a good way to look at things.
jordan holmes
No, it's really, really bad.
dan friesen
It's not a good way to determine your actions.
So we know that Alex is a humorless boob and a weirdo.
jordan holmes
Yeah, even though the radio is getting better at comedy.
dan friesen
Certainly.
alex jones
Yeah.
dan friesen
I've always thought that's just because he's not funny and is a dork, but it turns out there's another reason.
unidentified
Okay.
alex jones
I'm not here bragging or tooting my horn when I tell you this.
jordan holmes
So he's about to brag.
alex jones
I've always organically seen dialectic.
jordan holmes
Bragging.
alex jones
I've always seen the different factors coming together.
Bragging.
They're going to do.
They call that third dimensional, fourth dimensional chess.
jordan holmes
That's bragging.
alex jones
But that's just not seeing things straight on, one dimensional, two dimensional.
That's why a lot of times somebody will tell me a joke and I just don't even get it because I'm in a mode of not being into comedy.
And I'll see it very literally.
But that's because I'm taking in all the data.
dan friesen
No, it's because you're not funny.
jordan holmes
No, it's mainly that.
Yeah, yeah, yeah.
dan friesen
It's because you don't get jokes.
jordan holmes
No, yeah, yeah.
There are layers to jokes.
You could almost say that they're three-dimensional.
dan friesen
Yeah.
So, this is all synthetic.
The virus situation, it's all a globalist attack.
And guess what?
unidentified
What?
dan friesen
Because Alex naturally sees in dialectics...
jordan holmes
He's always naturally seen.
dan friesen
He knows what's going to happen next.
jordan holmes
Of course he does.
alex jones
And it's all totally concerted.
From Australia, Indonesia, the U.S., it's all...
The globalists.
It's all scripted.
It's all synthetic.
This is a major attack.
Do I know exactly what their next move is?
unidentified
I think I know.
But...
dan friesen
So say it.
alex jones
Fuck off.
Get out of here.
We're dead on, folks.
I keep saying that.
We're dead on.
dan friesen
My spirit has not authorized me.
unidentified
Get the fuck out of here.
jordan holmes
That is the, like, oh, you can verify what I'm saying, but the only guy you could verify with it is dead.
So, unfortunately, you just gotta have to trust me on this one.
dan friesen
Can we FOIA your spirit?
unidentified
Get the fuck out of here.
jordan holmes
I'm not authorized to release it by my spirit.
Fuck off.
dan friesen
I wonder what that means in real people talk.
jordan holmes
I don't want to do it.
dan friesen
My prediction is thin.
jordan holmes
Right now?
I got nothing.
dan friesen
Yeah.
So Alex realizes that Trump has been putting forth a posture of like he's not really concerned.
jordan holmes
Right, right, right.
dan friesen
About things like, ah, no big deal, go fuck yourself.
jordan holmes
Well, it's poor people dying, so go fuck yourself.
unidentified
Well...
dan friesen
Alex's rationalization for this ends up being that Trump wants to create confidence so the stock market is protected and that kind of thing.
jordan holmes
Right.
dan friesen
And so he rationalizes this and sort of abdicates any responsibility to tell truth, I guess, kind of.
jordan holmes
Good.
alex jones
And I get why Trump wants to play this down.
He sees the UN height.
He sees the globalists.
He sees them want to take down our economy.
He knows China lost the trade war.
They launched against their own people to lock stuff down, have a reset, have a communist clampdown.
It'll show us what they can do to our economy.
They believe it's fragile.
Maybe the president's right to play it down.
We shouldn't get caught up in that.
Our job is the oracle of Infowars.
That means you, the callers, and the guests, all of us, the people, the real town square, the brain storm.
These people should get together in the tribe in hours and days.
They didn't know what to do until they got the answer.
That's what this is.
This is unfiltered, not globalist academics giving us answers down off mountains, but us together sussing it out.
They don't like this.
dan friesen
Yeah, I mean, like, it's the oracle.
It's, like, really important when you have people calling in and being like, don't pop bubbles.
You got Chinese air in those bubbles.
jordan holmes
Too many oracles.
dan friesen
That's the brainstorm.
unidentified
That is the high-level thing the globalists fear.
dan friesen
Get the fuck out of here.
jordan holmes
I was listening to that, and the thing that I noticed is just how bad he's become.
dan friesen
At the job?
jordan holmes
Yeah, yeah.
dan friesen
To be fair, also, it's a Sunday show.
jordan holmes
Right, right.
I just mean from, like, vocal patterns, because he had it going in the beginning of that clip.
He had that, like, da-da-da-da-da, da-da-da-da-da, da-da-da-da-da, da-da-da-da-da.
You know, that whole, like, perfect way of, it doesn't even matter what you're saying, he's talking musically there, so you can hear that.
And then at the second half, he's just like, It just sucks.
Like, he can't sustain it.
dan friesen
Well, yeah, his cardio is not what it once was.
jordan holmes
No, it's not.
He's going to need to shave his head to get that.
dan friesen
Then he's going to be streamlined.
It's going to be really aerodynamic.
jordan holmes
It's like a swimmer's cap.
unidentified
Yeah.
dan friesen
So, throughout this, it's been pretty clear that, on this episode at least, Alex is putting forth the idea that this is all about this supply chain disruption.
unidentified
Yep.
dan friesen
And in this next clip, it makes it fairly clear that he thinks that maybe this is even fake.
alex jones
And as soon as I saw China lock down whole cities, knowing it would devastate their economy, I said if it was real, they'd cover it up.
You could see the fakeness.
Not that people being wheeled into hospitals were fake, but the way they did it and the cameras and all of it was they were exacerbating it and the order had gone out is create global hysteria.
dan friesen
So that's a really interesting angle Alex is taking on this.
He's saying that immediately when he saw China lockdown cities, he knew it was a fake event and that the globalist order had gone out to try to create hysteria.
Please remember that China put Wuhan under lockdown on January 23rd.
And for some context...
Alex had Mike Adams as a guest to announce that it was over for humanity on, ooh, let me check, my notes here, January 24th.
jordan holmes
That's what I thought.
dan friesen
So I guess Alex's good buddy Mike Adams is just spouting globalist lines.
He must be getting the globalist talking points that it was time to cause hysteria, and good for Alex facilitating that, and then having Mike on his show every day and letting him guest host when he went to CPAC.
It's tiresome at this point from a distress that all Alex has been doing is playing into hysteria, since late January at least.
We don't need to be eager at that point, but there's another big lie here, and that is Alex claiming that he immediately knew this was all a charade, since if it was real, they would cover it up.
China would cover it up.
This is not true.
In the early stages of Alex's coverage, he was pitching a whole lot of theories, like when he was saying it's possible that Trump had released a bioweapon on China as payback for fentanyl, or the entire it-was-stolen-from-a-lab-in-Winnipeg narrative that he would later call disinformation.
He was all over the place, but his initial reaction was actually that this was a real thing, unlike the outbreaks like Zika, SARS, and Ebola, which were all fake.
In his January 24th interview with Mike Adams, this idea was laid out pretty explicitly and is something Alex signed off on and mirrored in his later coverage.
mike adams
One way that I believe that you know that this is a real pandemic is because the WHO is trying to downplay it.
So whatever the WHO does, the World Health Organization, It's the opposite of reality.
When the bird flu virus was a non-pandemic, they declared it a stage 6 pandemic.
dan friesen
So the other ones in the past were fake.
This one's real.
Because the WHO is not screaming and setting buildings on fire or something.
jordan holmes
I am sick of proof being what they don't do.
dan friesen
Well, of course.
And actually, I think towards the end of this, we'll get a clip that actually fully demonstrates why they behave this way.
Or at least why Alex does.
And it almost broke my brain.
So, in this next clip, Alex lays out his conspiracy a bit, and it's very stupid.
alex jones
I'm not even concerned or scared now, because this is so real.
You know how a fight works.
You go out there, the bully's waiting for you, you don't want to get in a fight.
You're not going to back down, and as soon as he takes a swing or even connects, you're like, you know what?
Let's turn it on and beat your ass to the ground.
You go a little too far and kick the brains out, but that's what you asked for!
So I now metaphysically have entered the point of no fear or no concern anymore.
That tells me we're in war mode, ladies and gentlemen.
My spirit has gone into not giving a damn.
And that tells me my spiritual radar says this is the big move.
So we better start debating what the president should do.
We should stop speculating.
We know it's man-made bioweapon transferred to Obama to China, waiting to be released in the future if need be.
As a martial law takeover of China to reset the global economy, create a global crisis, we have a global solution to then attack Western open governments that the left pushed for, claiming openness is a problem.
Now we're going to have closed societies but run by the UN.
jordan holmes
What?
alex jones
And that is the permutation analysis.
dan friesen
At the end there, I've met that guy.
I've met that guy at a party.
That's a guy on blow.
jordan holmes
Yep, yep.
dan friesen
That's a bit much.
jordan holmes
We're all going to be closed nations run by the United Nations, Dan.
unidentified
Right.
jordan holmes
That makes perfect sense.
dan friesen
It does.
Now, the only thing I really find super interesting is his braggadocious bullshit there at the beginning about how, like, I'm not scared anymore, and I'm now, my spirit knows this is the big one.
Like, how many times have we heard him say that?
jordan holmes
All I hear is, once again, I'm a coward.
That's all I hear him say.
dan friesen
All I hear is, once again, I'm saying these things, so you take me seriously.
Yeah.
It's repetitious to a point of offensiveness.
jordan holmes
It reminds me to beware the earlies of March.
dan friesen
Sure.
When are the Ides?
jordan holmes
15th.
dan friesen
Okay.
So, Trump is downplaying this virus, right?
And that's bad.
Because the globalists will say that he's covering it up or something.
jordan holmes
Sure, sure, sure.
dan friesen
Here, I don't really know how to set up this clip because it's convoluted a little bit in the beginning, but towards the end...
Alex says something deeply fucked up, and so I would like you to put your mic down for this to try and understand the clip, but then also so you don't talk over accidentally Alex saying something he should never say.
alex jones
My frustration to repeat this every segment is that Summer, and I get they're going to attack me regardless of what I say, but I want to get this straight.
Any angle you look at this virus, any angle you look at, When you watch China lock down almost a billion people, you know that's going to kill the global economy.
That right there is just so seismic.
Godzilla's in a movie tearing up Tokyo.
This is Godzilla all over the planet.
And I get Trump is in a Godzilla fight here, and he just wants to play it down, and I understand that, but see, that's the trap.
When he plays it down, the media is going to say he covered it up.
Their only fear is he plays it up and uses it for control, like Xi Jinping has done.
And that's why Bill Maher said, I think Trump will try to declare martial law with this, because that's what they want to do when Trump doesn't act.
And they're afraid Trump may grab it from them at the last minute.
And by the way, I don't want martial law with all the bureaucrats that are under Trump, even though he didn't try to put bureaucrats in.
I don't want to turn them all into little demigods.
I'm just saying this is the world we've entered.
So do you want Nancy Pelosi and the Chai comms to have martial law or do you want Trump to?
Because that's the wheelhouse we've now entered.
dan friesen
So, the world that Alex is putting forth is like, the situation that we find ourselves in is Nancy Pelosi martial law or Trump martial law?
Aren't you the guy who claims you see through dichotomies and dialectics?
What are you doing to your audience here?
You're trying to make them be like, hey, look, there's no other option than Trump having martial law.
jordan holmes
Obviously, we're going to get martial law.
Would you rather have Nancy Pelosi do martial law or Trump do martial law?
I mean, you know, before I've been fighting nonstop against martial law, but now that it's obviously going to happen, there's only one choice.
dan friesen
This would be like me.
In a couple years, on this show, talking about how great W. Cleon Scouser is.
jordan holmes
Absolutely!
It would be ridiculous!
I think Ted Anderson should get his gold license back.
dan friesen
I think that Rob Dew is the best corporate representative this country has ever seen in a deposition.
It's just like he's Mr. Anti-Martial Law guy.
And he's saying, oh, look, because of this crisis that he believes is a globalist manufactured crisis, we either need to have Trump martial law or Pelosi martial law.
Choose one or the other.
There's no third option.
There's no fighting against both.
jordan holmes
This could not be more straight out of the Goebbels handbook.
This is bad.
Here's the thing.
I'm just going to take the worst option and...
Get rid of all other possibilities, so my ridiculous lunatic followers will, of course, choose.
dan friesen
Sure.
Yep, it's good.
unidentified
Cool.
dan friesen
So Alex has Mike Adams on the show on Sunday, and Mike has got a new theory about what this virus is really about.
jordan holmes
It's under for humanity.
unidentified
No.
Oh.
dan friesen
I've noticed he hasn't...
jordan holmes
Hasn't been going that far anymore?
dan friesen
He hasn't scaled those great heights since...
January 24th.
jordan holmes
What a moron.
dan friesen
Yeah, I think he's been a little bit like, I might have really overshot that one.
jordan holmes
Yeah, that might have been two biggest swings.
dan friesen
The spirit got good to me, and it felt really good to say.
jordan holmes
No, it felt good to hear.
We've heard it three million times.
dan friesen
So he has a new theory, and it's very stupid.
alex jones
But clearly, the media hype, the EU hype, what the Chi-Coms have done, they're planning something big with this.
What do you think it is?
mike adams
Well, there's a second trap.
That they can initiate in all this.
The first trap was to allow the virus to spread deliberately and then blame Trump.
That trap has been sprung and the narrative has already been launched.
The second trap is even bigger.
They know that there are going to be quarantines of communities and perhaps cities across America, and those quarantines will most likely be liberal cities where you have the most filth, the most homelessness, and so on, and the highest population density.
It will be the Democrats calling for suspending the elections in November because not enough Democrats will be able to participate because they will be under quarantine.
alex jones
Smart.
mike adams
If Trump suspends the elections, then the Democrats, or if Trump is able to, I mean, he might have to have a lot of other people going along with it, perhaps the Supreme Court, perhaps the Senate, who knows, but if he's able to achieve that, then the Democrats will say, oh my gosh, He's a dictator now.
He's just declared himself a dictator, and they will use that to launch the big violent revolution that they've been talking about for years.
dan friesen
And here is when we learn why Mike is a health ranger, not a political science ranger.
If you follow his theory, the real trap with the coronavirus is about making democratic areas unable to vote, which will prompt the Democrats to call for suspending the elections.
If Trump goes along with it, he'll be called a dictator and all the violent leftists will take to the street and enact their violent revolution.
unidentified
Right.
dan friesen
This is a dumb theory for one major reason, and that is absentee ballots.
In 33 of the states in the country, any registered voter can request a mail-in ballot without even giving a reason for their need for an absentee ballot.
The other 17 states allow voters who meet certain qualifications to vote remotely, which I would assume coronavirus.
jordan holmes
Pandemic might be worth it.
dan friesen
That might qualify.
jordan holmes
We're under quarantine.
Well, if you can't make it to your polling station, although that is what Georgia would do.
dan friesen
Five states automatically send out ballots to everyone, but if they prefer, they can still go vote in person.
On the occasion that the coronavirus situation does escalate in the United States, there's literally no reason why we shouldn't have the infrastructure that would be needed to still carry out the election.
It would just require some slight tweaks and some coherent messaging about how to participate in absentee voting.
For this reason, even if Democratic areas are hit harder by an outbreak, you would probably never hear Democrats calling for a suspension of the election.
They would call for sending out absentee ballots.
And given the fact that we're not even through the primaries yet, there's every reason to believe that there is enough time to get that done should they have the political will.
And like I said, the coherent messaging would really be the most important piece.
jordan holmes
The only way the Democrats would call for suspending the elections is if Bernie becomes the nominee.
dan friesen
I don't think that's the case and you need to not feed into that.
jordan holmes
I'm just making a hyperbolic statement.
dan friesen
Fair enough.
The only people who would ever call for the suspension of an election are Trump authoritarian boosters like Alex and Mike.
jordan holmes
100.
dan friesen
This sort of conversation Mike is having serves the purpose of preemptively making it the Democrats' fault if Trump does decide to suspend the election.
jordan holmes
Look, do you want Pelosi or Trump?
That's what you got.
dan friesen
It won't be a sign of his authoritarianism and dictatorish leanings coming to the surface.
It'll just be a response to an evil left-wing plot.
jordan holmes
I just wish the left-wing wouldn't make me punch them in the face all the time for standing there.
Look at them stand there!
They're planning something, and it's not my fault I have to punch them in the face, Dan.
They're making me do it.
Look at them just standing there.
dan friesen
So, like I said, and I mean to stress this because it is very key to understanding how...
Things are going.
Yeah, not good.
This thing that I'm trying to stress is that a lot of the talking points, a lot of the things that are brought up are intrinsically about the supply chain disruption.
That is the primary narrative surrounding the coronavirus on this March 1st show, and that's why Alex will bring up things like this.
alex jones
By the way, that was in the news two weeks ago.
It was like Reuters.
We pull it up, guys.
If you can, German auto industry might...
Have 50% reduction in sales over Wuhan virus.
And it was pointing just out that very point.
dan friesen
So this is a minor point, but I wanted to call attention to it to demonstrate how little care Alex has about presenting information accurately.
He's just grasping at straws to pull out some headlines he read a while back in order to reinforce Mike Adams, who's making points about the disruption of the global economy the virus is causing.
Alex says there was a story in Reuters about the virus causing the German auto industry to drop 50%.
In reality, this story is about how the virus might cut in half German automobile sales, specifically in China, during the month of February.
The German automobile industry is already in tough shape.
They've been hit hard by emission standards, people transitioning to electric cars, and as Dutch Well points out, quote, higher tariffs caused by U.S.-China trade tensions.
In case you're forgetting, those are Trump's tariffs.
jordan holmes
No, no, it's China.
unidentified
They're smart.
dan friesen
The conversation that Mike and Alex are having is about the disruption of supply chains, where companies are losing profits because they can't get the parts they need to make their product.
The German car situation is a completely different thing.
It's all about decreased sales in the Asian market.
BMW, Daimler, and Volkswagen don't even have any factories in the affected areas of China.
This is demand disruption, not supply.
But Alex and Mike don't care about that distinction.
Also Alex is just spouting off shit about German auto companies dropping 50% when it's a much more precise statistic than that.
He doesn't care because it helps serve the narrative that's being pushed.
jordan holmes
That's annoying.
unidentified
It is.
jordan holmes
I'm annoyed.
dan friesen
It is.
jordan holmes
I'm very annoyed.
dan friesen
Yeah.
So Alex is still pushing the food pretty hard.
jordan holmes
Okay, of course.
dan friesen
Still going hard on the food.
jordan holmes
Yeah.
You can always go on food.
dan friesen
And with the supply chain issues, it's even more relevant.
jordan holmes
For sure.
You might run out of food.
dan friesen
Exactly.
jordan holmes
Exactly.
dan friesen
So you can use that.
It's sort of a...
jordan holmes
Wait, does the food come from China?
dan friesen
No, I don't think so.
jordan holmes
That would be very funny.
dan friesen
I think he's said in the past that none of the stuff comes from China.
I don't know.
I have no idea.
jordan holmes
I would be interested to find out.
dan friesen
I would bet that My Patriot Supply, whether or not they do source things from China, will tell you they do not.
jordan holmes
I would imagine so.
dan friesen
Right.
So they do that for a bit, and it's not worth listening to.
It's all the standard shit.
jordan holmes
Sure.
dan friesen
But I found this really interesting, because he's got the Health Ranger on here, and Alex asks how we can win.
How can we protect ourselves?
From any possible infection.
alex jones
How do we snatch victory from the jaws of defeat?
mike adams
Well, look, America can survive this, but it requires people turning to antiviral molecules that exist right now.
And there are only two sources of where to get that.
Number one, there are some prescription medications that have antiviral effects.
None of them are yet proven against the coronavirus, but they're very strong candidates.
The second place is plants.
And understand plants, which is food, superfoods, herbs, even just regular things like garlic and ginger and onions.
dan friesen
Conspicuous in its absence.
Nanosilver.
jordan holmes
Yeah, that does seem like they would put that there.
dan friesen
Alex doesn't even bring it up after Mike's thing.
Like, oh, also our product.
He says when he gets sick or when he feels like he's starting to get sick, he eats a ton of onions.
jordan holmes
Yeah, yeah, that's the trick.
dan friesen
In the past couple weeks, in the past month or so, these sorts of conversations would always be accompanied by a plug for the wound gel and the gargle.
jordan holmes
Nothing is more antiviral than what the Pentagon has proven to be antiviral against this very virus.
dan friesen
It's conspicuous.
unidentified
It is.
dan friesen
It's very weird.
jordan holmes
It almost seems like somebody might have sent him a letter.
dan friesen
It seems like he might have got a warning.
jordan holmes
It could be!
dan friesen
I don't know that to be the case, and I would be...
Irresponsible to speculate, like saying, I think he did, but his behavior has changed.
He's not selling the gargle like he used to be.
jordan holmes
Well, you know, Baker getting a letter might as well be.
Baker getting a very public letter is the same thing as Alex getting a letter, essentially.
dan friesen
Yeah, it's definitely putting people on notice.
jordan holmes
Yeah, exactly.
dan friesen
And if Alex doesn't want to lose millions of dollars, potentially in fines, his behavior would need to change.
jordan holmes
It would be a smart idea.
dan friesen
I mean, I think we've talked about this, too.
It's possible he's just out, too.
Yeah, that's true.
I don't know exactly.
jordan holmes
That's true.
dan friesen
There are other possibilities, but his behavior is noticeably changed.
So Mike starts complaining about how the youth are lazy.
jordan holmes
Oh, no.
dan friesen
How these millennials...
jordan holmes
Have we tried putting Ebola in blood and drinking it yet?
dan friesen
Nope.
jordan holmes
Oh, well, that's because we're lazy, right, Dan?
dan friesen
OSHA does not allow you to do that to your employees.
Goddamn regulations!
So he's complaining about how this new generation just sucks.
They don't work hard.
And I would just ignore that, normally.
But it leads into Alex screaming about his accountant.
I thought that was really funny.
He's mad about tax season.
mike adams
The younger millennials and even younger people in America today, they do not have a work ethic that you and I grew up with.
So there's this laziness.
It's real.
It's in the youth of America today.
They don't think they should have to work.
They say things like, I don't work in a sneaker factory.
I buy brand name sneakers.
They're consumers, not producers.
alex jones
On average, there's a sluggishness.
And that's well made.
I'm sluggish compared to my grandfathers, but you're absolutely right.
People then also just see numbers.
They go, like, I don't even have CPAs.
They go, this week's like, well, there's this money in your bank account.
I saw the tax bill, and I go, we'll be bankrupt.
And I went, you didn't count?
We got to pay the vendors?
And I go, oh, you're right, sorry.
Half that money was to be paid for refilling orders.
I'm like, I was up here yesterday.
I'm not bitching.
Five hours going, that's money owed to people.
I won't pay taxes on money that's not mine.
Almost like a damn heart attack, but I mean, it's CPAs, man.
unidentified
It's a breakdown.
It's CPAs, man.
jordan holmes
That's who's behind it all.
dan friesen
Is his accountant a millennial?
How is this related?
I don't understand.
I just thought that was really funny.
Alex just...
jordan holmes
How dare he?
My sister-in-law is a CPA.
You come at me when you come at CPAs.
dan friesen
That's what's happening.
jordan holmes
That's what's happening.
dan friesen
I was an accountant for a little while, but not certified.
Anyway, we have one last clip here from the Sunday show.
And it's Alex.
He wants to scare the audience about the possibility of this quarantine coming to the United States.
And so he asks Mike to help him.
mike adams
Well, this pandemic is going to be the ultimate wake-up call globally.
alex jones
No, no.
jordan holmes
It's over for humanity.
alex jones
Mike, let me say that.
Once you're back on the show tomorrow, I'm ranting.
In a few minutes here, if it is really deadly and everything locks down and you have a Wuhan quarantine, what will the average leftist do?
You talk about a group of psychotic piranhas.
jordan holmes
I suppose we'll eat you then.
mike adams
There will be no enforcement of any quarantine of a liberal city in America because the people that you would try to isolate will not comply.
Not at all.
They will go nuts.
I mean, they're insane on a normal day in many cases.
dan friesen
I have no idea if people on the left would be more or less likely than your average person to go along with a quarantine.
However, Mike is fucking high if he thinks his militia patriot buddies, the don't tread on me types, are any more likely to accept a government-mandated quarantine.
jordan holmes
No, they love that shit!
dan friesen
These are people who threaten insurrection over military training exercises and land-grazing fees.
Do you think for one second that these same people who had an armed standoff at the Malhur Wildlife Preserve would have the government tell them to stay indoors or whatever, and they'd be like, you got it!
It's farcical.
Alex has said that, like, half the police in the country would be killed if background checks for gun purchases were expanded.
How do you think the sovereign citizens would react?
They don't think that they need driver's licenses and they view courts as invalid.
They legitimately don't think the state has any authority, so they're sure as shit not going to acquiesce to a quarantine.
It's all really stupid, but you can hear in Alex's voice that he's rushing to the end of the show and he wants to scare the audience about the left before he wraps up, which is weird.
I don't know why that's the note he wants to leave on.
jordan holmes
The left!
They're scary!
dan friesen
So we get to the second, Monday.
And Alex's show opens up very serious.
Very, very serious.
alex jones
Well, this is, up to this date, the most out of control, most important, most critical broadcast I've ever done.
jordan holmes
And I've never heard that before.
alex jones
It's the truth.
dan friesen
You've said this so many damn times.
jordan holmes
So many times.
Do I need to open my car window and start screaming about it?
dan friesen
You need to block traffic.
Yeah.
This is going to change the game.
jordan holmes
This is the whole thing, huh?
dan friesen
Yep.
So it turns out that all of that stuff about what I was talking about, about the coronavirus narrative shifting to being all about the supply chain.
unidentified
Uh-huh.
dan friesen
Throw that out.
jordan holmes
Why?
It's boring.
Get it out of here.
dan friesen
Throw it out the window.
jordan holmes
Fresh start, Dan.
Fresh start.
dan friesen
Throw it out the fucking window.
Because now we're back to fucking everyone's gonna die.
jordan holmes
Okay, good.
dan friesen
So it turns out...
unidentified
Just on a day-to-day basis.
dan friesen
It turns out that Alex has a couple of sources about this.
And he gets into it in this next clip.
alex jones
And so let me just tell you the news that's coming up for today.
Bottom of the hour.
I have talked to multiple experts.
One of them, a lieutenant colonel with Army Special Operations.
jordan holmes
Is that Zach?
alex jones
Who said the Pentagon believes, with the numbers they have, that they could have up to 3 million dead people.
In the next six months here in the United States from the coronavirus.
Now, I learned this a couple days ago.
And then there was a retired lieutenant colonel in my house this morning.
And I had to go on a totally separate issue.
And my wife's in there drinking coffee with him.
He just retired like a year ago.
And he goes, yeah, the word, and he was with Army Special Operations, it just so happens.
And he says, yeah, the word is from the numbers is they're looking at 3 million dead.
dan friesen
Oh, man, you know what?
It's really weird.
It's really weird at this 3 million dead figure that Alex is pretending that he has high-level sources telling him.
It's exactly the same estimate that Mike Adams made on Alex's show on Sunday.
Wait, oh my God, I can't believe this.
I completely forgot to play you that clip.
mike adams
And you mentioned Rush, so I'll bring this up.
Okay, Rush says there's only a 2% mortality rate.
Well, if you infect half of America, which is pretty typical for a flu, 2% comes out to roughly 3.3 million dead Americans.
So Rush essentially just admitted there could be millions of deaths in America, which is 100 times larger than the flu.
alex jones
And let's be clear, we don't want that to happen.
It's terrible.
dan friesen
So this is an offshoot of Alex repeatedly on his Sunday show referring to Rush Limbaugh as an expert on these matters.
And Rush said on his show that there's a 98% recovery rate, therefore a 2% mortality rate.
The 2% fatality rate is then estimated by Mike to be about 3 million deaths.
It was really remarkable to me how on Monday, Alex has multiple high-level sources telling him they were preparing for 3 million dead, and yet when he's discussing this very topic on his show on Sunday...
That didn't come up.
jordan holmes
It is strange because he heard from the lieutenant colonels a couple days ago.
He knows a lot of lieutenant colonels.
Doesn't that seem suspicious how many retired lieutenant colonels he knows?
dan friesen
I think they're saying the same thing as Mike.
jordan holmes
It's weird.
He doesn't seem to know any brigadier generals.
He doesn't really have much other rankings to go by.
Strange.
dan friesen
Now, there's another weird quirk here and that is that clip of Mike making this 2% And a three million dead assessment.
That is talking about Rush.
He's responding to a clip of Rush Limbaugh's commentary.
Now, here is Alex playing Rush talking about the coronavirus on his Sunday show.
unidentified
Yeah, I'm dead right on this.
The coronavirus is the common cold, folks.
The drive-by media hype of this thing.
As a pandemic, as the Andromeda strain, as, oh my God, if you get it, you're dead.
Do you know what the, I think the survival rate is 98%.
98% of people get the coronavirus, survive.
It's a respiratory system virus.
It probably is a CHICOM laboratory experiment that is in the process of being weaponized.
alex jones
So there he goes and tells you.
The Senate had a secret hearing last week.
We're going to cover it.
They know what it is.
Okay, we'll tell you next hour.
Rush knows.
dan friesen
So here we see the 2% number being established, which Alex and Mike Adams will later use to estimate their 3 million dead number.
More interestingly, Rush says that this virus might have been created in a Chinese lab, and in order to strengthen that, Alex says that there were secret meetings in Congress, and Rush knows about them.
This has the effect of implying that what Rush is saying is actually secret high-level information, as opposed to just Rush Limbaugh doing what he always does.
Talk shit!
Over the course of the show, this insinuation strengthens.
By the next time Alex brings up Rush's comments, he's now very, very strongly implying that Rush saying the virus might have been made in a lab in China where him reporting on things Trump and Pence told him.
alex jones
And that's what Limbaugh said at the end of his take.
And, you know, he's talking to Trump and Pence and the Pentagon every day.
I mean, Limbaugh's totally hooked up more than probably anybody in media.
He's like, yeah, it's a bioweapon got out of their lab, but it's not big.
It'll only kill 2% of you.
The flu doesn't even kill one-tenth of one percent, folks.
But see, Limbaugh's getting you ready.
dan friesen
And now, let's jump ahead to the next time Rush comes up on this Sunday show.
Alex is talking about how he's been saying that coronavirus is man-made for a long time, and you would think he would just brag about how Rush is picking up on that now.
But Alex doesn't.
Alex is actively conflating Rush making a stupid comment on his dumb-dumb radio show with information that's coming from the Senate.
alex jones
We told you it was man-made out of the Wuhan Bioweapons Lab.
That's now Senate Intelligence Committee meetings last week.
That's now Rush Limbaugh.
He talks to the president daily.
They're big buddies.
dan friesen
Alex has absolutely no information about any real or imagined Senate Intelligence hearing.
He's making that up because he believes, for absolutely no reason, that Rush was reporting on Senate Intelligence hearing materials and stuff that comes from Trump when he was just talking shit.
This is one of the more clear-cut cases I've seen of Alex just blatantly laundering a source.
But it's not fully laundered yet.
Alex is still mentioning Rush when he's making this claim in that last clip.
This is technically still just embellishing Rush's shit talk.
However, you don't have to look too far to find this claim fully, completely laundered into something that is now a complete lie.
alex jones
I've all said for over a month it's man-made.
Major Indian universities, other scientific facilities have looked at it and go, my God, it's man-made.
Well, of course we're concerned about that.
jordan holmes
Chicken vaccine.
alex jones
So where did it come from in China?
Now even the Pentagon says it's man-made.
dan friesen
Within the span of his two-hour show, Alex took a stray piece of bullshit that Rush Limbaugh said on his show and gradually escalated it into being super high-level inside information that Rush is reporting.
Once Alex elevated that shit talk to that level, he doesn't need Rush getting in the way anymore.
If Rush is getting this from high-level Pentagon sources, read Trump, as the commander-in-chief, and the Senate intelligence people, then Alex can just cut out the middleman and report on the information that Rush must be reporting on.
You can see these fingerprints in the way Alex uses information if you pay attention.
And honestly, the scariest part for me is I don't even think that's a conscious process.
I think Alex just started talking about Rush's comments and instinctually wanted to reinforce the parts of it that are most in line with his own narratives, namely that the virus is man-made.
So he started tying Rush to Trump and secret Senate hearings, and as he's going, I have a feeling that he just lost track of where the starting point was.
There is no secret information.
There's no Pentagon confirmation.
There's nothing except a blowhard right-wing hack that Alex used to hate talking shit.
And to loop back around to Monday's episode...
Alex's three million estimate matches up mysteriously well with Mike Adams' estimate that he was taking from Rush.
I don't believe that Alex has any of these sources.
I think this is all him working off branching paths that all trace back to a 30-second clip from Rush Limbaugh.
jordan holmes
Yeah, I would accept that this is just a snowball situation.
Even if he was taking it directly from Rush, he's just automatically going to say that there's a...
Lieutenant Colonel involved.
There's just always a Lieutenant Colonel involved.
dan friesen
He loves that rank.
jordan holmes
Yeah, so then it just kind of snowballs from there.
A Lieutenant Colonel goes to the Pentagon, goes to the President, goes right back to Rush.
There we go.
dan friesen
I think it's very clear to me, looking at this, looking at these little fingerprints, looking at why didn't you bring up any of the first lieutenant colonel when you were talking to Mike?
None of this makes sense at all, but it does make sense if you see it as Alex losing track of his own escalating bullshit about Rush Limbaugh, and now he's chosen to turn it into an active lie.
What was just a subconscious raising the stakes?
On Sunday is now, when he gets in on Monday, a very conscious decision to make up sources.
jordan holmes
Yeah, absolutely.
dan friesen
So Alex doesn't want to get into business on the show.
jordan holmes
It's hard.
dan friesen
Yeah.
jordan holmes
Working is difficult, Dan.
dan friesen
He's just like fucking...
jordan holmes
Talking about cheeseburgers.
dan friesen
Well, exactly.
alex jones
Serendipity.
Sometimes it's really serious things.
Sometimes it's really ridiculous things.
This morning I had to go to the bank.
After I've been at the office a few hours, I was coming back here and I said, you know, I want a double Whataburger cheeseburger as my breakfast.
I'm going to be bad today.
unidentified
Oh no, were there any hijabs there?
alex jones
And I was riding up there with our office manager and he goes, you know, I can tell you're stressed out today.
I already called ahead and as we pull into the office, Pat Riley's waiting at the office door with the double cheeseburger.
Synchronicity, serendipity.
What do you call that?
dan friesen
Gross?
jordan holmes
Gross!
I was gonna call it gross.
dan friesen
I gotta assume that there's something that the other people would know that Alex is in a bad mood, first of all, and then second, that the way to deal with that is give him a cheeseburger for breakfast.
jordan holmes
Yep, yep.
dan friesen
Both of these things are very weird personality details.
jordan holmes
Keep the little baby quiet.
We'll give you a cheeseburger.
Put that in your mouth so you don't yell.
dan friesen
These are very strange personality quirks that I would find Interesting in like a screenplay.
jordan holmes
Yeah.
dan friesen
But as Alex Jones features, very weird, very weird.
Hey, look, Alex is in a bad place.
Let's give him a double cheeseburger for breakfast.
jordan holmes
It is unfortunate when you're like, oh, a lot of places they bring in donuts and we all get to share them.
dan friesen
Stop it.
jordan holmes
Here, we just get the boss a cheeseburger.
dan friesen
Well, he told him to stop it with the donuts.
jordan holmes
That's true.
dan friesen
But he did appreciate it.
jordan holmes
He did appreciate it.
dan friesen
So, Alex.
He has these sources, and he wants you to know that he's not making them up, which makes me think he's making them up.
jordan holmes
He's totally making them up.
dan friesen
And the way he acts here in this next clip made me very convinced this isn't true.
alex jones
Because that's a true story I just told you about two, one retired, one currently serving in a specific sensitive area of the military, not told to tell me this, just telling me this, and that's like God saying, you need to talk about that.
So, obviously, I am at the bottom of the hour.
dan friesen
At the bottom.
jordan holmes
Yeah, yeah, yeah.
Right now, though, I gotta digest that cheeseburger.
I gotta talk about cheeseburgers.
I gotta deal with the cheeseburger in my belly.
dan friesen
Two things are really important to remember based on how this narrative starts.
The first is that a couple days ago, he talked to the first lieutenant colonel.
jordan holmes
Yes.
dan friesen
And then Monday morning, he talked to the second.
unidentified
Right.
dan friesen
And in that clip, he says explicitly they weren't told to tell him this.
unidentified
Right.
dan friesen
They just told him this.
Those two things will be very important later, so I'm stressing this very hard.
jordan holmes
Okay, so these two, independently of each other and their commanding officers, both gave him the same information.
dan friesen
Within a couple days of this Monday episode.
jordan holmes
This is two depositions.
This is a slam dunk eyewitness case.
We're going to close it out.
Everybody knows the truth.
dan friesen
So we get to this next clip, and I honestly think that this is one of the points where I'm as close to, like, all right, Alex Fairpoint, as we're going to get.
alex jones
Trump comes out when the stock market drops 15%, and says the media's response in hysteria is a hoax.
Not the virus is a hoax, but the super end-of-the-world hyping of it is a hoax, which is true.
To hurt the economy.
dan friesen
I'm not saying I agree with Alex.
Right.
But, also, by the by, I'd like to know if, you know, Trump is saying that the media hysteria is a hoax.
jordan holmes
Right.
dan friesen
Where does calling it over for humanity fall on that spectrum?
jordan holmes
Oh, boy.
dan friesen
Is Trump going to call that a hoax?
Anyway, as far as Trump's comment goes, this was something that he said at a rally in South Carolina.
When talking about the virus, he said, quote, they tried the impeachment hoax.
That was on a perfect conversation.
They tried anything.
They tried it over and over.
They've been doing it since you got in.
It's all turning.
They lost.
It's all turning.
Think of it.
Think of it.
And this was their new hoax.
intentionally kind of unclear because he's an asshole dumb dumb who likes to just talk shit.
Yeah.
unidentified
He was forced to clarify what he meant the next day because the first U S citizen died from the virus.
dan friesen
And he basically said that people saying that he's not doing a good job are the hoax he's referred to.
jordan holmes
Of course.
Of course.
dan friesen
So cool.
His point is that anybody critiquing his actions as the head of state are engaged in a hoax.
If what they say is not flattering, could not be clear what point we're at as a society.
jordan holmes
I'm frustrated by the fact that it does seem like everybody in America has just decided to skip over shit that Trump says.
You just zonk out whenever he says shit.
Because if any president said this out loud, we'd all be like, this is fucking insane.
This is insane.
This is absolutely crazy.
So obviously Biden's going to be doing this next year.
dan friesen
So the part that I said, like introducing the clip, I said it's close to being like a fair point to Alex.
And that's because there are a bunch of people who took this comment that Trump made and said that he was saying the virus itself was a hoax.
And I think those people are doing a terrible job.
jordan holmes
Yeah.
dan friesen
Like Joe Biden said, quote, the president of the United States says it's a hoax.
It's hard to believe.
Even for him, it's hard to believe.
Bloomberg said, quote, I find it incomprehensible that the president would do something as inane as calling it a hoax.
The Virginia governor, Terry McAuliffe, said that Trump, quote, said the coronavirus was a hoax.
Politico's headline reads, quote, Trump rallies his base to view coronavirus as a hoax, which is really on the cusp of being off base.
The article makes it clear that some of the context is there and how unclear Trump was being, but these are unforced errors that people should not be making.
It's super appealing and fun to jump on everything Trump says and dunk around, but if you act like this, it just creates ammunition for people like Alex to further insulate their side from any kind of outside information.
jordan holmes
Yeah, it would be hard to paste the media with fake news if they weren't so shitty at their jobs most of the time.
dan friesen
Not all of the media, but there are instances like this that are really destructive.
jordan holmes
Yeah, absolutely.
dan friesen
And for people who are running for president on the Democratic side to...
Not be more precise with their language.
I'm not saying it's the worst thing in the world, but the point that Alex is making, I can't really refute that people did say that he said the virus itself was a hoax, and that's a problem.
jordan holmes
And on the other hand, you know...
It wouldn't be so believable if it weren't something that he could have said.
Like, very easily.
Because he's not paying attention to what he says, ever.
So he might have, you know, in one word change, and he probably, you know, he would have said it.
Like, it's just stupid.
It's stupid.
dan friesen
But because Alex has these things that he can point to as, like, examples that are like, well, yeah, I mean, a bunch of people did.
Right.
Get that nuance wrong.
He could use that to make other criticisms about the media that are absurd.
alex jones
The way the media split it now, they've been somewhat successful to control media in making it two different discussions.
It's either totally a hoax and nothing's happening, which we know that's not the case.
There's a real virus there.
How deadly it is, you can debate.
Or it's the end of the world, as mainstream media is saying.
dan friesen
This is cockamamie bullshit.
unidentified
Yep.
dan friesen
The media has not split it into a thing where you either believe that it is a hoax or you think it's the end of the world.
Alex is just making that up because it works into his dumb-dumb universal worldview where the globalists try and create two opposing sides and control both.
The dialectic that Alex mysteriously sees everything in.
Alex sees the world like this, so he'll always find a way to...
He'll see things in that dichotomy even where it doesn't exist.
Also, it's good to know that people who say this is the end of the world are considered mainstream media to Alex.
I did not know that Mike Adams was the mainstream media, but you learn something new every day.
He's a globalist, he's using globalist talking points, and now he's the mainstream media.
jordan holmes
I do think that we have to confirm now that Mike Adams is a globalist.
dan friesen
I think so.
jordan holmes
So every time he is on Alex's show, Alex is giving a platform for a globalist.
Alex, you are everything that you have come to hate.
dan friesen
So, there is definitely Alex's fake sources saying that three million Americans are going to be dead from this.
There are projections of that.
unidentified
Any moment.
dan friesen
So, he is amping this back up that is now, like, really deadly, whereas on Sunday, it was so much about the supply chain stuff.
But...
He is also still retaining a lot of that supply chain economy fear.
So he gets into that and he's...
jordan holmes
It's both and neither and everything all at the same time.
dan friesen
It's very convoluted.
So now he has an argument that he's making that is that the Democrats admit that they want the economy to fail in order for Trump to go out.
jordan holmes
Of course we do.
dan friesen
And he talks about that here.
alex jones
The globalists are unified and are making their move on the economy to bring down Trump.
And now the Democrats last week were admitting it, saying they hope this brings down Trump.
And they're rooting for it to bring down the economy.
That should bring them down.
dan friesen
it's interesting because i don't know if i've heard democrats in office or major political commentators hoping for the economy to fail because it would hurt trump alex played that cnn clip on sunday but that was just analysis of how democratic candidates can use trump's response to the virus to their political Sure.
You'd hear him say that Democrats have admitted they want the economy to collapse because it'll take down Trump.
And you'd assume he's talking about some pretty major figures, maybe something he played previously that he just missed.
Because I listen to his show way more than anyone should, I can tell you exactly who the Democrats are that Alex is referring to.
It's one person.
It's Bill Maher.
jordan holmes
Great.
He is not a Democrat, by the way.
dan friesen
In any sense.
Here's a clip from Sunday where he is talking about this.
alex jones
There he is celebrating.
I have like five clips that aren't even on my list.
You all saw them.
MSNBC, CNN, going, this is great.
We'll finally get him.
We're going to play some of them here.
Here he is on the same show, Bill Maher, when he talks, that's a globalist mouthpiece, so it's like Satan's puppet, his little, sitting on his lap, little, one of those things, ventriloquist dolls.
dan friesen
This may come as a surprise to you, but Alex never does play any other clips of Democrats salivating and cheering for the collapse to take out Trump.
jordan holmes
That does come as a surprise.
dan friesen
Probably because they don't exist.
Or because they're all as lame as that CNN one, yet he does play.
The Bill Maher clip is definitely Maher saying he wants a recession because it'll get rid of Trump, and fine, fair play to Alex for not liking that.
It's probably dishonest to call Maher a Democrat, though, since he's described himself as a libertarian in the past, and he voted for Bob Dole in 1996 and Nader in 2000.
Also, Bill Maher sucks and is constantly critiqued from the left for very valid reasons like his horrible Islamophobia and transphobia.
jordan holmes
It is funny.
That's how internal consistency makes you immune to certain attacks because you criticize somebody and they're like, oh, well, what about Bill Maher?
And you're like, yeah, fire him into the sun too.
Don't care.
dan friesen
Yeah, Bill Maher sucks.
jordan holmes
He sucks.
dan friesen
I've noticed a bit of a trend on Alex's show and that's that he'll often claim that the whole liberal media is saying something outrageous.
And then the only evidence he'll end up presenting is a clip of Bill Maher talking shit.
Alex will use Bill Maher to be the avatar of the entirety of the media he's up against.
I think the reason is because Alex's show would look fucking stupid if he was just screaming bloody murder about what Bill Maher said on HBO.
It makes Alex look like he's actually doing something if he pretends that Bill Maher really speaks for all the Democrats and all the globalists.
And that's exactly why you see him expressing at the end of that clip what he does.
Bill Maher is the ventriloquist doll for the globalists.
And thus, whenever Bill Maher says anything, Alex is free to claim that the globalists and Democrats are actually the ones saying it.
Bill Maher may as well be the official corporate spokesman for Globalist LLC, according to Alex.
This is the same behavior we saw earlier with Alex laundering sources.
It would be totally fine for him to just yell his thick neck off about something Bill Maher said and about how it made him angry.
It would be a sad show, but it would be totally fine.
Where it becomes fundamentally dishonest is when he takes the things that Bill Maher himself has said and then applies them to some other nebulous entity and responds to the comments as if that other entity, like the Democrats or the Globalists, had actually said it.
By assuming that Bill Maher speaks for the globalists and then just taking Bill Maher out of the equation and saying the globalists say this thing that Bill Maher said, you're being a dick.
Ultimately, Alex has multiple high-level sources who predict 3 million dead from the coronavirus and the Pentagon said it was man-made, but in reality he just heard a little bit of Rush's show the other day.
The Democrats have said they want the country's economy to collapse in order to hurt Trump, but in reality Alex is just mad at Bill Maher.
This show is very stupid.
When you pay attention and you're able to trace these things to where their actual provenance is.
jordan holmes
Yeah, Bill Maher's a Democrat the way Bloomberg is a Democrat.
Fuck off.
dan friesen
Fair enough.
jordan holmes
Yeah.
dan friesen
Fair enough.
So now we get a little bit more from those lieutenant colonels that Alex has as his sources.
And all of it.
All of the information is just...
No, it's just the same thing as Mike.
But Mike working off the rush.
jordan holmes
Right, right, right.
alex jones
I mean, I might have an Army lieutenant colonel in my house once a year or something just on some other business that I was doing and taking care of.
This guy retired about a year ago.
He's there.
I had to leave to work.
He's in there having coffee with my wife.
She calls me and says, hey, I don't want to travel anymore.
He's saying the Pentagon thinks 3 million are going to die with a 2% death rate with half the country.
Set to get infected.
And I haven't talked to him yet.
She was talking to him.
But the point is, that's what the Pentagon's putting out.
And he said that's what people he talked to that are currently in, at those higher levels, are saying in Army Special Operations.
Huh.
dan friesen
Isn't that weird?
How the more details Alan skips about this mysterious lieutenant colonel who told him the prediction is 3 million dead from the coronavirus, the more he talks about it, the more it's exactly the same shit that Mike Adams was saying on his show the day before.
And it seems so weird.
So fucking strange, that coincidence.
I was certain that this was just Alex laundering Mike Adams' shit through a fake anonymous source when he said the three million thing.
But now with the projection that half the population is going to be infected, which is exactly what Mike said, this is comical levels of transparent.
There are two types of lie at play here.
There are subconscious lies that Alex doesn't even really realize he's engaging in, which is the escalation of the rush clip turning into some kind of secret Pentagon information.
Then there's this, which is an obvious, intentional lie.
I suspect the motive is the same as for the Bill Maher thing.
Alex knows that him saying Mike Adams predicted three million deaths isn't going to move the needle too much.
Mike declared humanity over like a month ago.
Three million deaths is not an escalation of that rhetoric at all.
In fact, from Mike, that is reassuring.
jordan holmes
Yeah, no, I'm pretty stoked about Mike saying that.
dan friesen
That's Mike walking back.
jordan holmes
Yeah, but that means what's really going to happen is like two dudes.
dan friesen
But if Alex presents this as information coming from a mysterious unknown figure who's in the know, he can give it a credibility that even he knows Mike Adams doesn't have.
Mostly because he's...
Declared humanity over a month ago.
unidentified
There is that.
dan friesen
And because of that Ebola cure thing and pretty much the rest of Mike Adams' career.
jordan holmes
Yeah.
dan friesen
These are clear fingerprints of a lie.
And I can't stress this enough.
Alex knows exactly what he's doing.
unidentified
Oh, yeah.
dan friesen
That is unbelievable.
unidentified
Yeah.
jordan holmes
Why would you even bother with both an active and retired Lieutenant Colonel?
That's so silly and made up.
dan friesen
Sure.
jordan holmes
It's childish.
It's a childish lie.
dan friesen
And keep in mind.
One of them was a couple days ago.
One was Monday morning.
And they came of their own volition.
They weren't told to tell Alex this.
jordan holmes
And in the middle of them was Mike Adams.
dan friesen
Sure.
unidentified
Yeah.
jordan holmes
There we go.
dan friesen
So, I think this is really interesting.
I've noticed something in the past, very recently.
Alex has started to play the good guy music from Star Wars.
jordan holmes
Oh, really?
alex jones
We are now into hour number two.
With only 245 days left for this unbelievably important historic election.
dan friesen
He's still playing the Imperial March sometimes.
jordan holmes
Right.
dan friesen
But there is a seeding of the good theme from Star Wars.
jordan holmes
So he is listening to us.
dan friesen
I think maybe.
jordan holmes
100%.
dan friesen
I don't know.
Maybe.
jordan holmes
There's no other way that you would do that.
dan friesen
It seems weird.
And maybe there's a decent chance that maybe at other times in the past he's thrown in the good guy theme.
jordan holmes
Possible.
dan friesen
But it's overwhelming.
It stuck out to me.
unidentified
All right.
jordan holmes
If you are listening.
Play the theme for Indiana Jones.
That's what I want to hear.
dan friesen
Oh, that'd be great.
jordan holmes
Yeah, I'd love that.
dan friesen
So, Alex now...
Okay, one of the big things that the media, the mainstream media...
jordan holmes
Oh, those bastards!
dan friesen
One of the things they covered about Alex in the past week was that he got into a bit of a fight with Sebastian Gorka.
jordan holmes
There was that.
dan friesen
And here's where that begins.
And it turns out it's because of petty reasons.
alex jones
They ran into Gorka.
I love tyranny, the whale, or just Gorka, the gay whale.
They ran into him.
He actually had Owen thrown out.
He's just like a royal god.
He's a guy that got thrown out of the White House for being a phony policy expert.
He's got stolen valor.
If anybody sells snake oil, it's him.
And he just absolutely flips out and just told them, Owen is not allowed here.
I am God.
I am Gorka, the tyrant whale.
And look, I love Brits all day, but you don't see Nigel Farage coming over here and telling us to turn our free speech in.
dan friesen
Really nailed the landing on that sentence.
jordan holmes
Yeah, no kidding.
To turn our free speech in.
dan friesen
So here's where the feud with Gorka begins, because I guess he had Owen thrown out of CPAC.
don't care if that happened.
If it did, it's an instance of a guy I dislike taking appropriate measures to police his space, which is fine.
Owen had no reason to be at CPAC except to disrupt and create publicity stunts, which he's been known to lie about.
Weirdly, haven't heard much about that Bernie supporter attacking him recently.
unidentified
Why is that?
dan friesen
It seems like that narrative dropped.
jordan holmes
I thought they pressed charges because it was so obvious that the Bernie supporter attacked him.
dan friesen
Owen might actually be talking about it on War Room and I'm unaware of it.
jordan holmes
That's fair.
dan friesen
But it certainly has not been a central feature of Alex's show.
It's weird for Alex to call Gorka a Brit.
I mean, he was born in the UK, but I think most people more closely associate him with Hungary.
Since he's Hungarian, he lived there.
He was an advisor to Viktor Orban.
Sure.
unidentified
He identifies with the Hungarian Nazi Order of Vitez.
dan friesen
Okay.
unidentified
And supported the paramilitary Hungarian government.
dan friesen
Sounds like a break to me.
Based on racial conflict between the Hungarian majority and the Roma minority.
jordan holmes
That's why Brexit happened!
They had to get out of the EU to support Gorka, their fellow compatriot.
dan friesen
I think at least in terms of the present day, Sebastian Gorka is far more notable as a Hungarian than as a Brit, even though he does have citizenship in both countries.
jordan holmes
I would even go so far as to say he's far more notable just as a Nazi.
dan friesen
The end.
Yeah.
Anyway, Alex also calls Gorka a gay whale.
jordan holmes
I don't understand.
Is he referencing Leviathan?
unidentified
Is that what he's doing?
dan friesen
I've heard him use that insult in the past, and I'm sure the backstory is disappointing, but I'm not sure exactly what it is.
Actually, later on, he does explain that he just thinks that Gorka sashays around.
The whale part, I'm not entirely sure.
He never explains.
He just thinks Gorka's gay.
I don't know.
It's...
It's petty childhood, like schoolyard homophobia.
jordan holmes
It's offensive, yeah.
dan friesen
But see, ever since Trump came around with low-energy Jeb and little Marco, Alex has been trying to make playground insults stick to his enemies, and he's just not very good at it.
I suspect this is just one of those weird attempts.
So Alex goes on and he jumps into another topic, and that is he spends a good bit of time on this March 2nd episode talking about Turkish President Erdogan announcing that he would allow refugees and migrants to cross the border from Turkey into Europe.
I would cover this, but this situation is immensely complicated, and I do not trust myself to handle it well.
I wanted to mention it, though, just because it's a huge international situation, and it's something that should be paid attention to, but we're not going to talk about it too much.
Mostly because Alex's only real analysis of it is that Muslims are basically animals, and the people in Greece should be able to shoot them at the border.
It's horrible stuff, and it's very standard Alex Fair, just with Erdogan's actions being pretexts for him to hit his normal anti-Islam talking points.
Here's a little clip of Alex and his European reporter, Dan Lyman, just to give you a little bit of a taste of where he's at.
alex jones
Well, I want to be clear.
If someone's trying to burn a building or kill people, people need to use lethal force to stop laying down to this because if they fully break the border, they're going to have Islam totally take over Europe.
People don't know.
You live there.
I mean, most of the cities are now no-go zone hell pits.
unidentified
Yes, even some of the cities that you would never expect are starting to turn that way.
So, I mean, I recommend if you come to go to the really safe countries, I always say this, go to Poland, go to Hungary.
jordan holmes
They don't have any corona yet either.
White nationalist countries.
dan friesen
So if I understand correctly, Poland and Hungary are the safe countries.
As you pointed out, and as we know, Poland is treated as basically the promised land by white nationalists these days.
jordan holmes
Especially Molyneux.
dan friesen
I'm not mistaken, so that's cool.
World Population Review compiles crime rates by countries for the world by simply dividing reported crimes by the total population.
Switzerland, Estonia, Austria, Croatia, Denmark, the Czech Republic, Romania, and the Netherlands all have crime rates that are lower by this measure than Poland or Hungary.
Germany is lower than Hungary, and Alex Gale's about Germany letting in immigrants all the time.
There's clearly a secondary message being sent by Lyman's country recommendations.
It's just that Poland is the archetype of a white nationalist state, two white nationalists, and Hungary's leader Viktor Orban is a very public enemy of George Soros.
So this section of the fringe right wing have adopted him as kind of a hero.
I wish there was deeper analysis in this here, but it's really kind of just that simple.
jordan holmes
Yeah, if I understand what I've read, and again, it's a massively complicated situation, but a large part of it is basically Erdogan threatening government leaders that he'll make your racists mad at you.
Like, that's a certain, to a certain extent, he's like, I'm going to let immigrants into your country and then your racists are coming.
dan friesen
I think that there is a reading of the situation that falls on those lines.
jordan holmes
Way more complicated than that, but that is a big part of it.
dan friesen
Yeah, and I would engage with it more probably if Alex had more to do than just be...
Sure.
A white nationalist.
jordan holmes
Yeah, yeah, yeah, exactly.
dan friesen
And so he starts riffing around a little bit about how, you know, like Islam's trying to make him bow and he's not gonna, and then he kind of loses his thought in the middle, which is always kind of fun.
alex jones
I don't want to go to their countries and blow them up.
I just love them coming here to enslave me and telling me I'm going to submit to their sword.
No, you will never make us submit.
And the West is awake.
There's a lot of things I can say about the high-quality, storable food we sell at InfoWars.com.
dan friesen
Got caught off by the break for his own commercial.
Just the way he's really fumbling the ball at the end.
jordan holmes
This is not good.
He's not closing.
He's not a closer today.
dan friesen
Not really.
So, you know, with this idea that there's a lot of Muslims that are going to be coming into Europe, Alex gets really thinking about the Crusades.
jordan holmes
No!
unidentified
No!
dan friesen
So he starts talking about how, first of all, Christians had to do the Crusades.
unidentified
No!
dan friesen
No, they didn't!
alex jones
English had to lead the attack with the Normans and the French and go 4,000, 5,000, 3,000 miles in and just millions died, folks.
Hold in Europe.
Millions.
It's estimated that just some of the Crusades in a decade were millions.
I mean, you talk about wars back then where almost no men came back.
jordan holmes
They didn't even have millions.
alex jones
Because the Muslims would take over, enslave, kill the men, breed with the European women, and make more soldiers.
And so they had to, Western Europe had to invade.
dan friesen
We've talked a bit in the past about how off-base Alex is about the Crusades, so I don't want to really rehash a lot of that stuff in detail, but I wanted to take a moment to talk about the claim he has there about millions dying in single Crusades.
jordan holmes
There weren't millions!
dan friesen
It's not estimated that millions died in individual Crusades, and in fact, there's no real historical consensus for the death toll.
Generally speaking, the accepted range among scholars is somewhere between 1 and 3 million for the entire span of the Crusades, which I should remind you lasted from 1095 to 1291.
That's 196 years, and because it's something that happened over such a long period of time, so long ago, and such a wide area, most serious scholars don't even think it's worthwhile to try and nail down precise numbers.
It would just be impossible.
With that being said, there's no way Alex's numbers are even close to accurate, leaving aside the fact that the three million figure includes combatants from both sides, not just Alex's beloved Christian crusaders.
But let's take that high-end estimate of three million deaths from the crusades and let's compare it to other world events and see how it stacks up.
If you look at the list of the most deadly wars in human history, you'll notice that most of them involve China in the long-distant past.
25 million died in the Manchu conquest between 1618 and 1683, which led to the rise of the Qing dynasty.
Deeper in the past, the Three Kingdoms conflict between 182 and 280 left over 37 million dead in China.
jordan holmes
I'm a huge Zhou fan, by the way.
dan friesen
Oh, is that right?
jordan holmes
Yeah, they were my pick in the War of the Three Kingdoms.
dan friesen
I like playing dynasty warriors.
These were both...
jordan holmes
You're real Qing guys?
dan friesen
I'm a Lu Bu guy.
These were both internal matters and didn't involve white people.
So Alex isn't too concerned about those.
jordan holmes
Not worried.
dan friesen
But also for comparison, maybe we should look at how many deaths were caused by the European colonization of the American continent.
None.
A recent study from the University College London reflects a death toll of approximately 56 million people.
jordan holmes
Barely.
dan friesen
Which was just a gigantic shift in the world.
It was so big, actually, that it caused a little ice age.
unidentified
No.
dan friesen
Because about 90% of the indigenous population was killed, either by conflict or disease, this left, quote, Anyway, my larger point here is not that Europeans are so much worse than Muslims or anything like that.
I don't think that's a productive way to think about things.
My point is that history is full of atrocity.
There's plenty to go around, and it's not good to imagine that people today are exactly the same as people you've decided are their historical analog.
The sins of the past should be recognized, grappled with, the victims respected, and lessons should be learned.
Selective finger pointing about various things that happened like 800 years ago is not a path forward.
And that seems to be what Alex is stuck in.
jordan holmes
The thing that I immediately took away that was like, this is the beginning of your sentence was...
They had to march three, four thousand miles to protect their borders.
And it's like, that's the thought process that is why we have so many fucked up wars and shit like that.
They have to march three or four thousand miles to protect the borders three or four thousand miles away from where they are.
That does not track.
That's insane.
dan friesen
And that's a very minor piece of what's wrong about a lot of this.
jordan holmes
No, absolutely.
But I mean, it's just like a glaring immediacy of shut the fuck up right now.
dan friesen
Yeah.
jordan holmes
You're done.
dan friesen
So we're selling food.
unidentified
Of course.
dan friesen
Still.
jordan holmes
Gotta.
dan friesen
And there's an update on this.
alex jones
The food we have, you actually get five to eight weeks, depending on what type you order.
jordan holmes
Now five to eight weeks.
alex jones
And you've got that checkbox taken care of.
But all the other products at InfoWarsStore.com.
We drop ship from Utah and there are other factories in Colorado and other areas across the country that's horrible food.
But if it is the super silver wound gel, the strongest over-the-counter you can get, or it's the super silver toothpaste that's safe and effective for your mouth and knocks those viruses and bacteria out.
dan friesen
It's close.
It's close, but it's vaguer.
Alex is dancing around it a little bit more.
jordan holmes
It knocks those viruses and bacteria out.
I'm not saying any specific virus.
dan friesen
It's nonspecific, and it's a toss-away kind of thing, as opposed to where it'd be such a direct focus.
jordan holmes
The Pentagon says that this does this, not just, like, oh, it helps with viruses.
dan friesen
So food is now five to eight weeks, so this is just escalating.
unidentified
Wow.
dan friesen
Now, another thing that's interesting is that Alex has to make a real serious point of...
Our other products are not six to eight weeks.
He does that multiple times.
Because I think he's realized that I think some of his listeners think that everything is that back-ordered.
jordan holmes
I'm getting stuck in a tulip situation where maybe my entire economy shouldn't be built around one thing.
Maybe the food is not going to be a big seller after a while.
dan friesen
So Alex takes some calls now.
And I might have honestly ignored some of the stuff like the Crusades thing.
jordan holmes
Sure.
dan friesen
Except it kind of informs the mindset that these callers appear to be in.
jordan holmes
Oh, no.
dan friesen
Here is a guy saying something really fucked up.
unidentified
I think what President Trump needs to do, he needs to act like Charles the Hammer, Martel from France, and just whenever the Muslims just invaded Spain.
He said, no, you're not coming into Europe, and went into Spain and just brashed them.
And he actually ordered his troops, take no prisoners.
These people are just heathen idiots.
Wipe them out.
dan friesen
It's all good and well for this caller to say that Trump should be like Charles Martel and repel an invasion.
jordan holmes
The hammer!
dan friesen
I think maybe if you're looking for some ancient example of someone who repelled an invasion, you could come up with a better example, probably super easily.
Martel was Duke and Prince of the Franks from 718 to 741, and in that period of time he gained a reputation as a pretty good military leader, with wars against the Arabs as well as the Saxons.
This is not why the caller is referencing him.
Throughout history, there's been some disagreement among historians about a particular victory in Martel's career.
That is, his defeat of an Arab army advancing on tour in 732.
One side argues that it was Martel's victory that saved the Western world from Muslim rule.
The other side points out that the earliest account of the battle, which was commissioned by Martel's uncle, clearly lays out that this Arab army had been enlisted by a Christian duke named Yudo of Aquitaine to help him win back some of the land that had been taken by Martel.
This was Spanish land that was taken by Martel and he had a mercenary army.
jordan holmes
Alright, why would they be mad at me?
They're making me...
dan friesen
There's no indication from contemporary sources at that time that this was a battle between Islam and Christendom.
That's something that was fabricated later.
jordan holmes
I wonder why.
dan friesen
The narrative began in a book called Decline and Fall of the Roman Empire by Edward Gibbon, released in 1776.
In the book, Gibbon argues that the Roman Empire fell due to embracing Christianity, which is not a position that most historians agree with.
Leaving that central thesis aside, his book also serves as the jumping-off point for the retelling of the Battle of Tur, with his casting of Martel as a heroic leader who stopped Islam from overtaking the Western world.
This was not a case of Gibbon reflecting actual history.
It was him using a historical event to craft a narrative, and it's a narrative that's been widely attractive to a certain subset of the population today.
jordan holmes
What kind?
dan friesen
In 2001, a multi-millionaire fascist heir to the Regnery publishing fortune, William Regnery Jr., founded the Charles Martel Society, whose founding members also included arch-white nationalist Jared Taylor.
This is a white nationalist outlet that runs the very racist and anti-Semitic Occidental Observer and was responsible for the founding of the National Policy Institute, whose president is Richard Spencer.
Through these outlets and other ventures, Regnery funds with grants, a message of white nationalism and brutal anti-Muslim rhetoric has been spread quite effectively.
He's far from the only spoke in that wheel, but William Regnery Jr. is a massive source of funding behind some of the early sources of what has become the alt-right in this modern cycle.
This isn't just some kind of intellectual publishing thing, though.
Like, hey, we talk about ideas.
This has real-world consequences, as we're seeing during the Christchurch shooting, where the killer had written the name Charles Martel on the barrel of the gun he used to murder 51 innocent people.
This twisted historical narrative about Martel began with Gibbon in 1776, and avowed bigots and fascists have turned him into a heroic figure using this narrative in their pantheon.
That's why this caller knows who Charles Martel is.
Not because he's a scholar of Frankish dukes.
It's because he knows about him from the Christchurch shooter and the places where the Christchurch shooter was reading about him from.
jordan holmes
I was really trying not to stereotype, because listening to the voice, you're like, Okay, I've heard Cletus.
I get that.
I'm not trying to be that guy.
But when he drops Martel in there, I was like, something suspicious is going on here.
dan friesen
Yeah, he reads alt-right fascist anti-Muslim blogs that lionize and hero worship Charles Martel because of this.
Distorted narrative of this battle from 732.
jordan holmes
White nationalists have so many little coded things that they drop in that you would just miss immediately if you weren't in their ecosphere.
dan friesen
That's one of them.
And actually, the next caller gives another one.
unidentified
Yeah, see, Merkel's a big proprietor of the Kalergi plan.
alex jones
But folks who don't know about the Kalergi plan, he was Austrian-Hungarian Empire royalty, married to Japanese royalty, and he had a plan to Islamify Europe.
unidentified
Yep.
dan friesen
When you hear somebody evoke the Kalergi plan, you know absolutely without a doubt that that person that you're talking to is a white nationalist.
The Kalergi plan is a classic white nationalist conspiracy theory that posits that Austro-Hungarian intellectual Richard von Kutenhoff Kalergi had a secret plan to replace the white people in Europe with non-white immigrants and that the EU is the final expression of this plan.
Basically, as the theory goes, these immigrants would have no intrinsic relationship to the countries they were living in, and thus they would be less likely to fight back against the formation of a one-world government that would usurp individual countries.
To support this theory, proponents tend to pick and choose various things from all of Kalergi's writings to craft a white genocide conspiracy.
For instance, he believed that, quote, "the man of the future will be of mixed race." This was a belief that he had based on the sense that prejudice will decrease over time and the people of different races will ultimately form families together more in the future.
True.
unidentified
This is not him saying that he wants to force races to intermarry or that there's anything nefarious behind his beliefs at all.
dan friesen
It's sincerely just a sentiment that can only really be seen as a way.
True.
Yeah!
jordan holmes
Miscegenation!
dan friesen
Right.
The rub comes because Kalergi was also a big proponent of a united Europe, as he advanced in his work Pan-Europa.
It's probably important to recognize that this text was written and published between World War I and World War II, so some of the utopian idealism of a peaceful, united Europe might have been a direct response to the horror of the First World War.
This is a mixed race.
These are combined to argue that he wanted to unite Europe in order to bring in tons of non-white people who would then create this desired future of everyone being mixed race and there would be no more white people.
Oh, also proponents of this conspiracy believe Kalergi was doing this on behalf of the Jews.
jordan holmes
There we go!
We got bingo.
dan friesen
Right.
jordan holmes
It is amazing to me how bad the plans of the masterminds are in their worldview.
It's almost like they're the dumb ones making up the plan.
dan friesen
Yeah.
jordan holmes
Strange.
dan friesen
Much like evoking Charles Martel, this caller bringing up the Kalergi plan is a fingerprint of a very extreme white nationalist being on the phone.
That's what this is an indication of.
These are subtle signifiers that people listening might or might not catch on to, but indicate that the conversation that's being had is not about current events.
It's about a conspiracy theory that says Jews are trying to force integration on white people.
jordan holmes
And it seems like Alex was familiar with the Kalergi part.
dan friesen
Not only familiar with it, he is into it.
jordan holmes
Yeah.
dan friesen
So, you can see where Alex's head's at.
jordan holmes
Man, remember we went so long ago when we were like, oh, I'm not sure if I want to call him an out-and-out white nationalist yet.
dan friesen
Yeah, those were...
jordan holmes
Oh, those were the salad days, Dan.
dan friesen
Yeah.
Three years ago was an interesting period.
jordan holmes
Yeah.
dan friesen
Well, you know, you live and you learn.
jordan holmes
You do.
dan friesen
So, Alex has complained about the whale, Gorka, earlier in this episode.
And that was to set up that, towards the end of the episode, he would have Owen Schroyer and Harrison Smith come in to talk about their experience being kicked out of CPAC by Gorka.
jordan holmes
Of course.
dan friesen
So we'll get to that in a second, but before we do, Owen shows that he is a brilliant political mind.
unidentified
Okay.
dan friesen
He makes a prediction about the Democratic primary that has not aged well.
jordan holmes
Here we go.
owen shroyer
But Bloomberg hasn't dropped out, if I'm not mistaken.
I think Bloomberg is the frontrunner to me.
He's got the money.
unidentified
He's not going to go away.
He's got the will.
owen shroyer
I don't think anyone else has the will.
dan friesen
Smash cut to Bloomberg dropping out very soon after this.
jordan holmes
Oh, man.
What was it, the next day?
dan friesen
I think it might have been the fourth.
I'm not entirely sure, but it was very close to after this.
So Gorka apparently ran CPAC, according to Alex.
alex jones
Of course.
Go out to break with a short clip of a compilation we're going to play of who we learned ran CPAC as like a police dog that marched up and down saying, remove them, remove them.
When you talk about a villain, I introduce to you Gorka the Titan.
Gorka the Titan of Tyranny.
dan friesen
So the entire story is that Gorka came up to the Infowars people who were filming at CPAC and said they shouldn't be there since they're lunatics and conspiracy theorists.
Maybe he got them thrown out.
I have no idea, but at least the footage that Alex plays, I don't know if it shows that.
Anyway, this spirals out of control into Alex being convinced that Gorka was the neocon watchdog, roaming the halls, throwing out anyone who dares the neocon status quo of CPAC, which again included three members of Trump's family as speakers.
This is just Alex being Alex.
He knows Gorka has a huge radio show that's syndicated on Salem Media and is on way, way more stations than Alex is.
Gorka is someone who actually did work in the Trump administration and is directly connected to power, as opposed to Alex, who's just constantly shunned and kept far past an arm's distance.
Just like Alex tried to bait Joe Rogan into giving him free press by calling him a sneaky snake and trying to start a one-sided feud with him, he's trying to do the same thing with Gorka.
Alex knows that if Gorka takes the bait and starts responding to Alex on his own show, that's the equivalent of free marketing to a broader audience than Alex has access to.
This stuff is just pathetically transparent, and if you pay attention, Alex doesn't seem to start feuds with people he doesn't have a possibility of getting free press attention from.
Joe Rogan, Sebastian Gorka, Brian Stelter, these are all people who have platforms he can hope to co-opt.
This is one of his big strategies, and if I were advising Gorka, I would tell him to ignore this.
It just doesn't matter.
jordan holmes
I mean, in this circumstance, you giant troll don't feed the trolls.
dan friesen
Yeah.
So Alex thinks that Gorka wanted to kick Infowars out because they sell supplements, as opposed to them being crazy lunatics.
jordan holmes
Sure, sure.
dan friesen
So Alex expresses that here.
alex jones
And Gorka says, yeah, you shouldn't be here because you sell supplements.
Well, Gorka is on TV selling supplements that actually don't look that bad.
But the point is, we don't sell pain relief supplements.
I mean, you're starting to get into snake oil area there when you're making those claims.
dan friesen
So I went and checked Gorka's website for his show, America First.
And the first thing that jumped out at me was the fact that he has ads for MyPillow on his site.
jordan holmes
Sure.
dan friesen
MyPillow runs ads on Alex's show through Genesis Communications Network.
That's one literal same sponsor.
jordan holmes
Right, right, right.
Sounds like snake oil pillows.
dan friesen
The main ad on his site for supplements is for a company called Balance of Nature.
This company legitimately just sells dietary supplements.
Like, they have a product called fruits.
Here's the product ingredient list for fruits.
jordan holmes
Apples.
dan friesen
Quote, aloe vera, apple, banana, blueberry, cherry, cranberry, grape, grapefruit, lemon, mango, orange, papaya, pineapple, raspberry, strawberry, tomato.
Sounds like snake oil.
jordan holmes
So they just put a bunch of fruit in a blender?
unidentified
Yeah.
jordan holmes
And then turn it into a gummy.
dan friesen
Yep.
Oh, no, just a pill.
jordan holmes
Oh, just a pill.
dan friesen
Okay.
There's one called veggies and another one called fiber and spices, but honestly, unless they're lying on their ingredient lists, this is all just natural things ground up into a pill form, and none of them are making health claims, except the fiber one, which says that it helps with digestive health, which I think is not an irresponsible thing to suggest for a fiber pill.
jordan holmes
Yeah, I think everybody knows that fiber helps.
dan friesen
Yeah.
Alex is specifically referring here to another ad that Gorka has on his site.
I think the balance of nature is the one that he's like, actually looks pretty good.
jordan holmes
That sounds right.
Yeah, it's just a bunch of fruit and a pill.
Yeah, that sounds almost futuristic.
We're in Logan's run kind of situation.
dan friesen
So this other one is an ad that Gorka has for a product called Relief Factor, which they claim can, quote, help your body reduce pain associated with aging, exercise, and everyday living.
This is mostly attributed to the antioxidant, anti-inflammatory properties of its ingredients, which are Icarin, turmeric, resveratrol, and omega-3s.
I decided to check out InfoWars' store and see if Alex sold these same things and how he sold them.
One thing that surprised me is that I knew that Alex sold a supplement called Icarin, but I went to look at it, and that product doesn't contain Icarin.
It's spelled differently.
Icarin is spelled I-C-A-R-I-I-N, and Alex's product is spelled I-C-U-R-E-N.
It's very weird.
jordan holmes
Okay.
dan friesen
It seems like this is a clear attempt to make people think that this product contains Icarin, which is also sold in gas station bathrooms under the name Horny Goat Weed.
jordan holmes
I love it.
dan friesen
Yeah.
I have no idea why Alex would name his product something so close to something that is the name of a really well-known supplement, unless he was trying to confuse people, but I have no idea.
unidentified
All right.
dan friesen
That Icarin product doesn't contain Icarin.
I don't know.
jordan holmes
That's frustrating.
I assume there's something.
Did you look up whether or not that was a thing?
dan friesen
What, Icarin?
jordan holmes
Yeah.
No, no, not the one, the Alex spelling.
dan friesen
No.
jordan holmes
Oh.
dan friesen
It's just a name.
jordan holmes
It's just a, oh, the name of the, okay.
dan friesen
Yeah, yeah.
It's a bunch of different, like, herbs.
unidentified
Gotcha.
jordan holmes
I thought that there was a completely different herb named Icarin.
dan friesen
No, no, no.
jordan holmes
Okay.
dan friesen
Alex's main turmeric product is Bodies.
In the write-up for Bodies, it says the product contains things that are, quote, known for their anti-inflammatory properties to work synergistically with turmeric for full body support.
The write-up says it will, quote, help boost and support your flexibility, mobility, joint function, immune system, and even more.
That honestly sounds pretty similar to the relief factor of marketing.
jordan holmes
Yeah, that's such the, that's a put-upon copywriter who's like, okay, give me some specs on what this product does.
Fucking nothing.
Alright, I'll put synergistically in there and we'll nail it.
dan friesen
That's a good word.
jordan holmes
Sold.
dan friesen
DNA Force contains resveratrol, and that product is sold to, quote, help support heart function, cellular energy production, assist in boosting mental health, promote energy production, and more.
They say the product can help fight against things causing cellular damage, which could be painful, so this again seems right in the ballpark.
jordan holmes
There, there, there.
dan friesen
We know that Alex sells Omega-3s in the form of his Ultimate Fish Oil, and we know it's good because it gives Alex the burpees.
If you read the copy for Ultimate Fish Oil, this line jumps out at you.
Studies have suggested that fish oils and fish oil supplementation can slightly lower blood pressure, increase triglyceride levels, decrease the growth rate of plaque, and provide a soothing reduction in inflammatory responses in joints.
Reducing inflammatory responses in joints is the same thing as reducing joint pain.
jordan holmes
Well, there is that.
dan friesen
So this is all pretty close.
jordan holmes
Well, you're getting close to snake oil with a Gorka.
dan friesen
But you know what would really suck for Alex?
It would really suck if I had a clip from him from last Wednesday where he tries to sell bodies his product by saying that some people think it's better than Advil for pain relief.
jordan holmes
There we go.
dan friesen
That would really make Alex look like a dick for saying Gorka's a snake oil salesman for selling things for pain relief.
jordan holmes
It's a good thing you don't have that clip.
dan friesen
Yeah, if only I did.
jordan holmes
If only.
alex jones
We have the Ultimate Turmeric Formula Bodies, 95% your humanoid.
That's amazing for your immune system, your whole body.
People think it's better than Advil in many cases for pain.
See what it does for you personally.
That's all 40% off.
dan friesen
Go fuck yourself, Gorka.
You're getting into snake oil territory when you sell things for pain relief.
jordan holmes
Yeah, the pot is screaming across the world to the kettle.
unidentified
Yeah.
dan friesen
So anyway, Alex is really just trying to take swings at Gorka, even when he ends up hitting himself, but his audience doesn't even care.
jordan holmes
Yeah, nobody cares.
dan friesen
So even though Gorka was in the Trump administration and has been in that orbit for a while, he's not a Trump guy.
He's a never-Trump guy.
alex jones
Trump broke through the criticism, the attacks, the blackballing.
But the Democrats in the deep state use it on everybody else.
So the Republican establishment knows, keep Alex Jones and the populist movement and the liberty movement that got Trump elected out.
Don't let them take the party completely over and put people like Gorka as the police dog, who's not even American, in there hovering around, literally spouting and pontificating in an arrogant way.
You guys go ahead and take over.
dan friesen
Gorka became a naturalized U.S. citizen in 2012, so unless Alex thinks naturalized citizens aren't really Americans, what he just said is a lie.
jordan holmes
Close the borders.
dan friesen
Yeah.
I think he thinks the naturalized citizens are not really Americans.
jordan holmes
I think I would go along with you on that one.
dan friesen
So we end this March 2nd episode with the piece de resistance, which of course is Alex...
Threatening and challenging Gorka to fight him.
jordan holmes
Of course.
dan friesen
Which everyone knew was coming.
jordan holmes
It was going to happen no matter what.
dan friesen
It's inevitable.
jordan holmes
Yeah, we're going to do it for charity or whatever it is.
We'll get in the ring with five rounds.
dan friesen
Now, we'll get to enjoy that.
And that's always fun to hear Alex want to fight somebody.
jordan holmes
Is he going to fight Tom Arnold next?
dan friesen
No.
But the thing that I think is most notable about this is watch Owen Schroyer's response to this.
alex jones
Everyone hates you now.
When you pose with guns.
Everybody knows you don't know which end the bullet comes out of.
unidentified
Yeah.
alex jones
That cork is a big guy.
I challenge him to a charity Barry Buckles boxing match.
I'm serious.
They'll have it in Vegas.
I will get in that ring and I will beat his brains out.
Just sign the form, you big, fat, tough guy bully.
I'll smash your freaking head in.
unidentified
Let's go!
alex jones
Punk is nothing but a piece of crap.
Owen, you want to take him on?
I've got to give him a round or two, but you've got your cardiovascular going.
You want to challenge him?
You want to challenge Gorka to a charity boxing match because he's so big and powerful and he wants to get in the ring with kooks?
Let's see what Gorka had to say.
What does Gorka think about Infobars?
Let's play the report.
dan friesen
Maybe I'm getting really twisted on my perception about Owen Schroyer.
He seems to be acting more like an adult lately.
jordan holmes
He does.
dan friesen
I don't know what happened.
Something's happened, but he has a confidence about him that maybe wasn't there before.
If you watch the video of this, because I had to go back and check, because it sounded like there was an edit there.
After he says, it sounded like they cut out something, but they didn't.
It's just very weird vocal patterns.
And if you watch this, you can see Owen kind of rolling his eyes even a little bit.
There is a feeling of elevation above Alex's bullshit.
jordan holmes
Yeah, it's like when a 12-year-old has to raise himself as the parents are like, Very absent in the 12-year-old.
dan friesen
Or like an alcoholic family system.
jordan holmes
Yeah, exactly.
unidentified
Yeah, yeah.
jordan holmes
Now, I guess I'm the adult.
I'm 13, but I guess I have to be an adult now.
dan friesen
I don't know.
It's very possible I'm reading way too much into it.
But Owen's response there impressed me on a certain level of, let's focus, let's get back into this, as opposed to being like, yeah, let's fight him.
jordan holmes
Yeah, it does.
dan friesen
He seems to be making the choices that aren't fun.
jordan holmes
Right.
dan friesen
But are more adult.
jordan holmes
It used to be that Alex was like that playground bully and Owen was that lackey where the bully would be like, Hey!
unidentified
Hey!
Look!
jordan holmes
You!
You!
Go fight him!
You go fight him!
Because Owen would be like, Yeah!
dan friesen
Because Owen's identity was wrapped up in being the cuck destroyer.
jordan holmes
Exactly.
dan friesen
Maybe it's a situation where he went and yelled at Jerry Nadler, interrupted the impeachment thing, and had to go do a hard bid of a couple minutes in jail.
Maybe that woke him up.
Maybe he wrote a letter.
jordan holmes
He did his nickel, Dan.
He did his nickel.
He's on parole right now.
dan friesen
Maybe that woke him up to the possibilities of seriousness or something.
I don't know what it is, but I'm interested to see where it goes.
jordan holmes
Daddy's been drunk too many times, I guess.
dan friesen
Could be.
But in the power rankings, if I were making them now, I think I am almost ready to adjust it.
Like, Paul Joseph Watson down the chart.
jordan holmes
Yeah.
dan friesen
Owen Troyer's clearly in the number two spot.
jordan holmes
Yeah, yeah, yeah.
He's taken over from Stone.
Stone has imparted the war room power.
dan friesen
Yeah, yeah.
He's ascendant.
unidentified
Yeah.
dan friesen
So, we get to the third Tuesday's show, and Alex is now announcing...
Like, his coronavirus narrative is just completely...
jordan holmes
Oh, we got a new one?
dan friesen
Yeah.
jordan holmes
Okay.
dan friesen
And so, this is specifically tailored to rebut the argument that Trump has not done enough, and he is poorly prepared.
jordan holmes
Okay.
alex jones
President Trump, about four and a half weeks ago, ordered the Pentagon and FEMA to prepare a national emergency, but he instituted the national emergency in response to coronavirus at that point.
And the Democrats have taken the bait in saying that he did not have any response to it.
I think he's had a very measured response.
He's not said that the virus is a hoax.
He said the hysteria by the chai comms of the media is a hoax.
dan friesen
I have literally no idea what Alex is talking about.
jordan holmes
Nope.
dan friesen
He doesn't cite any sources on this, and I don't believe his Pentagon shit, based on a very strong contention that he was just riffing about Rush.
But now, here Alex is reporting on his show that Trump secretly instituted a national emergency over a month ago.
jordan holmes
As always.
unidentified
Yeah.
jordan holmes
As always, he secretly instituted the thing that we needed.
Just because we didn't hear about it doesn't mean he didn't do it, Dan.
dan friesen
This is super weird, because on March 3rd, Voice of America reported on Trump discussing a potential national emergency, saying, quote, I don't think you'll need that, because I really think we're in extremely good shape.
We're prepared for anything, and we can always do that at a later date if we need it.
Trump definitely hasn't declared a national emergency publicly or secretly.
Alex is making this shit up.
He's just working off a headline in The Hill.
Quote, FEMA preparing for Trump emergency declaration on coronavirus report.
This article is about how until the president declares a national emergency, FEMA is not allowed to do things like, quote, creating disaster...
Medical assistance teams, mobile hospitals, and military transport.
There's a separate budget for FEMA that they have for disaster situations.
It's a full $34 billion right now.
And they're literally not allowed to use it unless Trump declares a national emergency.
These things aren't happening, such as FEMA setting up mobile hospitals and cracking into that $34 billion.
So there's a strong indication that no secret emergency declaration has been made.
But Alex has read that headline, not the article.
So he's using the headline.
jordan holmes
Great.
Good work.
Also, good work, The Hill.
dan friesen
This is not the same thing as a public health emergency that was declared by Health and Human Services Secretary Alex Azar back on January 31st.
This was primarily to, quote, give state, tribal, and local health departments more flexibility to request that HHS authorize them to temporarily reassign state, local, and tribal personnel to respond to 2019 novel coronavirus if their salaries normally are funded.
In whole or in part by Public Health Service Act programs.
That's almost certainly what Alex is conflating with this Hill headline he skimmed.
And now he's turned that into a narrative that Trump secretly declared an emergency back at the end of January, and he's got this whole thing under control.
Alex is not what you'd call a details guy.
jordan holmes
No, not important to him.
dan friesen
So now it's really important to recognize that this is now a month ago.
Because that'll come into play.
jordan holmes
Of course.
dan friesen
I know I'm asking you to keep in mind a number of various things in a timeline.
jordan holmes
There is a lot going on.
dan friesen
But it's important because it'll all come together.
jordan holmes
Okay.
dan friesen
So Alex brings back up his fake lieutenant colonels.
And apparently this bioweapon is race specific again.
jordan holmes
I could see that being a Comedy Central show.
Fake lieutenant colonels.
dan friesen
Yeah.
alex jones
But I've talked to several current and retired lieutenant colonels that have been in intelligence and are in intelligence.
They believe, FEMA believes, Homeland Security believes, CDC believes, that about half the public will get the virus, will be exposed to it, and that the death rate's at about 1.5% to 2%.
We're looking at 3 million or so dead.
But see, when you add into it that's race-specific, well, what percentage of America is what you'd call Asian?
dan friesen
So I guess it's race-specific again.
I thought Alex had dropped that narrative, but I guess it's back.
jordan holmes
Oh, wow.
So now we're in, now 3 million.
Okay.
dan friesen
I don't know what he said.
jordan holmes
I have no idea what that means.
dan friesen
In response to this, I would ask him to explain the 3,800 or so cases in Italy.
Are those all Chinese-Italians?
jordan holmes
All of them, race-specific.
dan friesen
I would ask about the 4,700 or so cases in Iran, but I'm sure he'd just make some weird race science argument about Persian and Chinese genes being similar.
jordan holmes
Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah.
dan friesen
There's no reason for Alex to be reporting that this virus is race-specific.
That is pure and simple just an expression of his racism.
There's nothing else going on.
So Alex clearly is using this Hill article that is about how FEMA has funding that they can't use until there's an emergency declaration.
jordan holmes
Which, by the way, Trump has already secretly done.
dan friesen
Right.
jordan holmes
Now, he didn't do anything with it, but he secretly did declare it.
dan friesen
He hasn't done that.
jordan holmes
Okay.
dan friesen
Because these things aren't being done.
jordan holmes
Well, you would say that.
dan friesen
Right.
jordan holmes
But you see, what you need to understand is it's what people don't do.
dan friesen
It's jazz.
jordan holmes
That tells you what they are doing, bro.
dan friesen
It's like jazz, baby.
jordan holmes
Hey, it's the CPAs, man.
alex jones
And we talked to other people that have sources confirmed from the Pentagon and from the White House that they've declared a secret emergency in the federal government, in the agencies that would need to be dealing with that, but not to create a panic a month ago.
Well, that's in the news today.
FEMA preparing for possible coronavirus emergency declaration.
No, it's already in place.
dan friesen
No, it's not.
Anyway.
Mike Adams comes back in.
jordan holmes
Hooray.
dan friesen
So I know from listening to this that this entire narrative about these lieutenant colonels is just laundering stuff that Mike said on Alex's show.
jordan holmes
Right.
dan friesen
Now Mike is on and they discuss these fake sources.
jordan holmes
What?
unidentified
No!
dan friesen
You can't do that!
It's at Ouroboros, man.
jordan holmes
You guys are making it.
dan friesen
It's crazy.
mike adams
You talked about this on your show yesterday.
You, you know, was a military intelligence person who told you they are preparing for the possibility of millions of deaths in America.
alex jones
I got a call over the weekend from a current lieutenant colonel, really good guy, an Army Special Operations, so it actually, you know, at the tip of the spear.
dan friesen
Again, over the weekend.
jordan holmes
Yeah.
dan friesen
A couple days ago.
jordan holmes
Yep.
alex jones
And they're like, no, they believe it's a 2% kill rate, and they're telling us, get ready for 3 million dead, so you need to know this is not a hoax.
The virus is real.
We don't want to panic, though, but we need people that obviously know that this is real, because they kind of want the hardcore patriots that are serious people to know, for whatever reason.
I wasn't called and told this on his own volition over telephone.
They was ordered to do it.
jordan holmes
No, he was in order to do it.
alex jones
Lieutenant Colonel who was in Army Special Operations.
At my house with some business we were conducting.
I'll just leave it at that.
jordan holmes
You were drinking coffee.
alex jones
He was there with my wife, and she calls up going, hey, you know, Kelly's saying that he hears from people they think it's going to be $3 million.
So the Pentagon...
Really thinks it's three million.
dan friesen
I don't believe if this were real, Alex would ever say this person's name.
This is just random nonsense.
But you see the first contradiction of the original form of this narrative.
Now, instead of it just being these people of their own volition telling Alex this, they were commanded to because the higher-ups want to make sure that the hardcore patriot people like Alex know what's up.
Because when it's coming down, they're going to need them prepared or something.
So now it's ordered.
This is official chain of command stuff, which is a direct contradiction of the earlier thing.
That's one of the reasons why I insisted you keep that in mind, because it's just a clear-cut case of this being bullshit.
jordan holmes
You should keep your writer's room off air.
Your writer's room shouldn't be the show.
Right.
You shouldn't be workshopping your bullshit in front of me.
It makes me angry.
dan friesen
Yeah.
It makes this really transparent.
unidentified
Yeah.
dan friesen
As long as you're paying attention over a couple days, you'll notice these shifts start to happen.
And you'll be like, wait, you're just making all this up.
alex jones
Yep.
dan friesen
So anyway.
Alex is really mad about the media engaging in hysteria.
jordan holmes
Oh, Bill Maher!
dan friesen
There's all this hysteria surrounding the virus.
And again, I would say that Mike Adams saying it's over for humanity, there's only going to be lone survivors, is about as hysterical as you can get.
jordan holmes
You say that.
dan friesen
And Mike engages in a little more hysteria here.
mike adams
Well, remember, too, early on I said that China would begin harvesting this and actually trying to deposit it into cities across America.
I think we've already been under attack.
I think that some of these outbreaks that we're seeing are because China was trying to export the virus.
jordan holmes
You could say it's over for humanity.
dan friesen
So how is that not hysteria?
jordan holmes
No, it's an attack.
dan friesen
China is seeding these viruses in the United States as an attack on us.
jordan holmes
Well, that's not hysteria.
That's just clear-eyed political analysis.
dan friesen
That's hysterical.
jordan holmes
Global political analysis.
dan friesen
Yeah.
So we see another shift in the narrative and the timeline here in this next clip with Mike and Alex talking.
mike adams
This is one of my concerns, Alex, that there may be so many cities under lockdown and quarantine by the time we get to election day that there will be calls from the Democrats to postpone the election because not enough Democrats can't participate.
alex jones
By the way, you said that three weeks ago, and then now this week that's in the news.
They're already going, oh, will this affect...
dan friesen
Did he say that three weeks ago or did he say that on Sunday?
jordan holmes
He did say that on Sunday.
You're right.
Okay.
Three weeks ago he did say it was over for humanity.
dan friesen
There'll be only lone survivors.
So, they get done with their interview at Stupid Who Gives a Shit.
I want to talk about this, but I don't want to get into it.
Alex has Tommy Robinson on the show.
jordan holmes
In 2020?
dan friesen
And we're not going to cover this interview because I'm not going to engage with the story that's being told.
jordan holmes
Good.
dan friesen
On March 2nd, Tommy was arrested for common assault after witnesses say he punched a guy in the face at a public pool.
Tommy claims that the man had assaulted his eight-year-old daughter and he was restraining the man.
The reason I won't engage with this story is because, generally speaking, I don't trust Tommy Robinson at all.
He's been shown to be a very inconsistent, untrustworthy source.
jordan holmes
He's a bad faith actor, yeah.
dan friesen
But this is way too sensitive of a story to have a position on or to comment on.
And in reality, I do not know what happened.
jordan holmes
Yeah.
dan friesen
And I refuse to be involved.
jordan holmes
I'm good with that.
dan friesen
Their interview, Alex and Tommy, is disgusting.
And honestly...
It's one of the first times in recent memory that I literally felt sick to my stomach listening to this show.
If Tommy is lying, that's grotesque.
If Tommy is telling the truth, he's allowing his own child's trauma to be used by Alex to attack Muslims and drag queens story hour, and I can't handle either possibility.
No matter what the reality is, it's gross exploitation.
Alex plays a clip of Tommy interviewing his daughter, who again is 8 years old, on his show.
It's disgusting.
jordan holmes
These people are psychopaths.
dan friesen
It's supremely offensive, as is the way Alex uses this to try and sell his products.
alex jones
But you see why they want planetary control to carry out their evil desires against our children.
It's not just the Muslims that want to do this.
It's the globalists at every level.
And it's just evil incarnate on this planet.
So please remember, you're the only defense of the children.
Support Infowars by spreading the word and by praying for us by buying the products.
You make it all possible.
And you need to get the products we have.
dan friesen
It's just unbelievable.
It's one of the first times in a very long time that I have legitimately felt...
I felt like I might throw up listening to it.
It was a level of like, no matter what the reality is here, this cannot be acceptable.
jordan holmes
How does it keep happening?
I tell you that there's no bottom.
And then this happens and I'm like, I didn't even think that was a line to cross.
There's no bottom.
dan friesen
Like I said, I'm not involved in that at all.
But I do need to have told you that this happened because it puts Alex in a fucked up headspace.
Because of this conversation that he's had with Tommy, he is just in A fucking mode where he's talking about God.
jordan holmes
Yeah, yeah, yeah.
dan friesen
He is deeply disturbed for a little bit in this episode.
And he starts off that stretch by talking about how he loves how attacked he is.
alex jones
I was thinking this morning, I thought right after I worked out and took a shower, I thought, should I tell the globalists how much I've enjoyed their persecution?
How much it's made me stronger.
How I thank God for allowing that to happen.
unidentified
How I thank God for allowing that to be a part of the world.
alex jones
Will that make them persecute me even more?
And I think the only way to tell the story is just to tell the story about the thought, I don't know.
But I haven't enjoyed the things that have happened, but then I do enjoy them later.
dan friesen
If your only way of feeling validated or like you're doing a good job is by attacks that happen against you...
You create a negative reward system.
You incentivize yourself to do things that will elicit negative responses from people because you'll experience those negative responses as if you're doing a good job.
You're on the right track.
jordan holmes
The only way I get dopamine is when people hate me.
dan friesen
It's a real fucked up way.
It's a childish system that people can get trapped in.
I understand.
A lot of times people get...
Trapped in that without knowing that that is the feedback loop that they're in.
unidentified
Sure.
dan friesen
And oftentimes it takes therapy to be able to recognize these patterns and transcend them.
I have a lot of empathy for people who may be well-meaning and in that mode, but Alex is not.
He needs help.
jordan holmes
Yeah.
dan friesen
Anyway, Alex starts crying talking about God.
jordan holmes
Sure, of course.
alex jones
As long as you trust in God and center your soul with God.
There's no power the enemy has that has any chance against us.
jordan holmes
Well, then you're fucked.
alex jones
You must totally trust in God.
And all I can say is, I've never asked God for things.
When I'm in the presence of God, I...
jordan holmes
I've heard you ask God for things.
alex jones
Since I was a little child, I'm just like, I'm in the presence of God.
I'm not going to sit there and tell God what to do.
jordan holmes
You told God what to do.
On your show.
alex jones
Comforts you so strong.
unidentified
And then God says, I really don't want to see you hurt.
alex jones
But you see what they're doing to other people.
Are you ready to really get hurt bad?
And you say, yeah, I'm ready to be hurt.
dan friesen
Alex seems...
jordan holmes
Jesus.
Get a new God, bro.
dan friesen
He's sitting there on the verge of open tears on air talking about how God wants to hurt him for the greater good.
jordan holmes
Yeah.
dan friesen
This is fucked up.
jordan holmes
Hey, man.
Look.
I know flagellation went out of style a long time ago, but he's leading the charge to bring it back.
Get a fucking cat of nine tails and start whipping your back, asshole.
dan friesen
I'm doing this for you.
jordan holmes
Yeah, exactly.
Yeah, absolutely.
Jesus, these people.
dan friesen
Yeah.
So it's not only Alex that's really into Jesus, though.
jordan holmes
You can break up with God.
Did you know that?
dan friesen
It's true.
jordan holmes
Yeah, it's not hard.
dan friesen
Look.
It's not just Alex, though.
Even if Alex broke up with God, there would still be one person in the Infowars sphere that's super into Jesus.
And that is Roger Stone.
jordan holmes
Okay, okay.
Sorry, sorry.
I'm sorry.
dan friesen
I don't know if you know this, but Alex actually converted Roger.
jordan holmes
Give me more.
alex jones
It's gotta be.
Two years ago, I prayed with Roger Stone in my office.
I said, give me your hand.
Let's pray to Jesus for protection and for strength.
He talked about, to me personally, the strength he felt from that.
And he said, it's just amazing.
I see the religious establishment and the corruption, and I just think it's all BS.
Under these attacks, I just feel drawn to God.
And this is real evil we're facing.
And he saw the drag queen story times and the pedophilia and just the evil, the Democrats.
He's like, is it really real?
A lot of people, oh, this evil's coming out.
It's winning.
No, no, this is it throwing a fit.
It had to be covert before.
This is his temper tantrum.
dan friesen
Roger is like, he watches Infowars.
He's like, oh my god!
jordan holmes
Demons walk among us!
Man, that is...
I want to inject that into my veins.
If you believe that, then you can believe anything.
That's bananas.
dan friesen
So some people probably, like me and you and anyone who thinks at all, would say Roger is full of shit.
alex jones
And you know what?
dan friesen
Even if he has found some sort of a religion in his old...
I don't care.
I'm not going to judge him for that.
But the notion of what Alex is saying is crazy.
It's just nonsensical.
Roger saw Drag Queen Storytime and was like, I gotta get God.
jordan holmes
That's bananas.
dan friesen
Nonsense.
jordan holmes
That's absolute bananas.
dan friesen
So some people would say that.
And Alex has a rebuttal.
alex jones
People said, oh, is Roger Stone really taking Jesus as his personal savior?
No.
I'm not bragging, as I like to say.
It's just giving you the truth.
That I've prayed with Roger.
And he brought up to me.
And when I talk about God with him at dinner in person, he would, I mean, he wasn't manipulating.
He, at that age in his life, I was 70 and all he's been through, he now understands that.
And that's a good thing.
And we should celebrate that.
And we should accept Roger.
Who was never a hypocrite about going to gay pride parades.
And who is a wild guy.
But his wife's a Christian and she's been wild too.
I've been wild.
Nobody is judging anybody here.
God judges the heart.
And so I just welcome Roger publicly proclaiming his faith in Jesus Christ into that.
And I think we should all welcome him.
Because there are no atheists in foxholes.
You come under satanic attack, buddy.
You get Jesus, or you bow to Satan, and you get destroyed.
There's nothing like having the devil on your ass to get you to get over to Jesus.
And the minute they're doing all their evil stuff to you and persecuting you, the minute you just call on Jesus in the middle of the night.
For real.
And don't just tell Jesus what to do.
Just say, Jesus, I need your help.
That's when you're going to get Jesus.
And folks, I'm not up here like some preacher, man.
Let me tell you.
I mean, I never bragged about it or all that kind of stuff.
But I've had a few girlfriends and done a few things and beat people to death and things like that.
I mean, I'm Mr. Worldly.
But I'm telling you, Jesus is the only thing that's going to fix this.
dan friesen
I think...
I think that being worldly is more like I like a cigar.
I drink champagne.
I stay at high-end hotels.
I beat people to death.
jordan holmes
Or I've traveled the world.
dan friesen
Let's just start there.
jordan holmes
That's one.
dan friesen
So to Alex's point about whether or not he has bragged about beating people to death or fucking a lot.
jordan holmes
Somebody's got a super cut.
alex jones
Gee, I've never killed anybody.
Technically one guy.
Well, I had some health problems later, but technically I didn't.
The point is, I've never killed anybody.
Not that I've ever stomped anybody's guts out.
Actually, I have a couple times.
It's not too nice.
It takes people a long time to die if you stomp their guts out.
But I could have had sex with the most beautiful woman in Hollywood, and I never did it.
You know why?
Every time they didn't have a soul.
When I was 16, I didn't want to party anymore.
I didn't want to play games anymore.
I grew up.
I'd already been in the fights, all the big rituals.
I'd already had probably a...
I hate to brag, so I'm not bragging.
It's actually shameful.
Probably 150 women or more.
That's conservative.
dan friesen
Okay.
So, I mean, he brags about fucking and fighting and killing all the time.
jordan holmes
I am really...
A lot of people sent that.
The Media Matters and the Right Wing watching.
I was just sitting there like, good job, guys.
You know, I'm like, I'm glad.
I'm glad.
dan friesen
Yeah, I'm not, I think we talked about this on the last episode even, like, it would be good, it would be a fuller coverage if, like, once again Alex brags about me.
jordan holmes
Yeah, exactly.
dan friesen
But you can't, what are you going to do?
Yeah.
jordan holmes
Hey, it happens.
dan friesen
Yeah, so Alex gets off this sort of weird god jag he's been in, and he has a guest on, and I think it's the last time we will ever see her.
alex jones
Our guest is with us for the rest of the hour.
I appreciate her holding.
While I got it, we're going to break in a few minutes.
It's Super Tuesday.
Deanna Lorraine is amazing.
She's super smart and a very beautiful woman.
Chris Matthews got fired by saying her guest was beautiful.
She's very radiant, even in person.
Wow.
God's creations.
We're very thankful for her.
dan friesen
So, can't bring in Deanna Lorraine without talking about how she is hot.
This will likely be Deanna Lorraine's last appearance on Infowars, and that's because she's only really relevant because she was trying to meme her way into running against Nancy Pelosi for a seat in the House, and that didn't work out.
jordan holmes
It didn't happen, did it?
dan friesen
The primary for California's 12th district was held on March 3rd, and Lorraine got a respectable 2,653 votes.
This was just shy of Nancy Pelosi's 89,460, though, so it doesn't look too good for Deanna.
jordan holmes
Alright, that was the percentage of people who are going to die in the coronavirus, apparently.
dan friesen
She was also beat by Republican John Dennis with 11,387 votes, and Democratic Shahid Buttar with 15,645.
jordan holmes
Yeah, I was rooting for Shahid.
dan friesen
California has a very weird primary set of rules.
It's an open primary.
Then the top two vote-getters end up in the general election, even if they're from the same party.
So Deanna is out.
The general election will be Nancy Pelosi being contested from the left by Batar, who will present a way more formidable challenge than Deanna Lorraine could ever hope to bring.
This episode is on the day of the primary, so I guess Alex imagines that this is some kind of a last push to get Lorraine that last mile that she needs to clinch the election.
But it was not to be.
I really don't want to make fun of her for getting involved in the political system, since I would encourage anyone to get involved if they feel like they can make a difference.
But based on the way she ran her campaign, I don't feel too bad about it.
Anybody who flies a plane around trying to make jokes about liberal tears deserves derision and mockery when they lose this depressingly.
She lost.
jordan holmes
Liberal tears.
We're shedding those liberal tears for you, Deanna.
dan friesen
So anyway, this might be the last time she's on as a guest.
unidentified
But...
jordan holmes
Oh, God, no.
alex jones
If you don't win today, we'd love to try to get you the talk show host here on air.
Let's get that officially out to you.
We want to hire you.
That'll cause a feeding frenzy of folks calling you.
That's fine.
We'll just get it out in the open.
So I'm according you to be a talk show host here on air.
unidentified
But...
jordan holmes
Which he's never done before.
dan friesen
If she loses, he's offering her a job.
She lost, so I guess she's going to work in it.
I love that idea.
This is going to cause a feeding frenzy of people.
CNN, MSNBC.
Going crazy.
unidentified
Info Wars with the biggest get of the year!
dan friesen
Yeah, this is going to be a coup.
Yeah, no one cares.
So Alex is...
They get done with their interview and it's very stupid.
Who cares?
Alex has something going on, though.
alex jones
They're using the crisis that has come with it to take over and have power and control.
Trump is not trying to do that.
But there's no doubt that everyone I talk to, including myself, I'm not trying to cough here on air to illustrate this.
I can't stop.
I talked to Tyler Nixon during the break, Roger Stone's lawyer.
He hasn't been sick in years.
He has pneumonia.
He's super sick right now.
Flew back from D.C. Everybody I know that's flown.
He's super sick.
dan friesen
This is absolutely a performance thing.
Like, Alex just had a dry throat, I imagine, from rambling too much.
Or maybe it's not.
On March 7th, it was reported that attendee at CPAC had tested positive for coronavirus, which raises the possibility of the entire Infowars crew being exposed to it.
I pray that this isn't the case, since I don't wish illness on people, even that I hate.
And because I can't imagine the horrible effect this would have on Alex's rhetoric.
I can't imagine that making it much better.
But Alex playing up this cough.
I don't know, man.
It's in bad taste.
jordan holmes
That's pathetic.
dan friesen
Yeah.
jordan holmes
Fucking call Steve Pachanek.
He can cure it.
dan friesen
He can.
jordan holmes
Yeah.
dan friesen
So we're running out of time on this March 3rd episode, and Alex, I think, realizes that he hasn't done much.
jordan holmes
In his career?
dan friesen
Well, certainly.
There's been a lot of Tommy Robinson.
There's been a lot of rambling about God, crying, interviewing Deanna Lorraine.
jordan holmes
Now it's time to get to work.
dan friesen
Yeah.
alex jones
Let me just read you headlines.
Because I actually read these articles, a lot of them.
jordan holmes
Don't.
alex jones
Probably 10% of these articles, I read the whole thing.
The rest I scan over.
Let me just do this without comment.
That's probably the best thing I can do here.
dan friesen
No, it's like doing nothing.
jordan holmes
That's the best thing that he can do.
dan friesen
So Alex has a ton of headlines.
He's read 10% of these articles.
jordan holmes
Fully.
alex jones
Maybe.
jordan holmes
90% he's kind of scant.
dan friesen
Kind of scammed over them.
jordan holmes
But he does read all of them, except he does not.
dan friesen
Yeah.
jordan holmes
He doesn't know what reading means.
dan friesen
Yeah.
So he reads one article, and it's about how the left...
Man, this is really depressing.
I forgot to cut this clip.
But what it is, the headline is that liberals are having less male babies, and Alex says that it's on purpose.
jordan holmes
Of course it is!
dan friesen
So that part, the on purpose part, is not in the headline.
He's just making that up.
This is about a study that was done specifically in Ontario, Canada, and they found that it's possible that Trump's election has thrown off normal sex ratios of newborns.
There's a Wired article that explains this really well, and what it comes down to is that there's a documented relationship between stressful events and the sex ratio of babies, which actually happened after 9-11 and the London bombings in 2005.
No one knows exactly why this is the case.
It's still something that science is trying to explore and understand, but there's a pattern that's being observed where highly stressful geopolitical events have a tendency to skew births to being more females.
In this case, specific to Ontario, they found a ratio of 1.0217 boys born per girl born, down from the normal figure of 1.0605.
This is certainly really interesting, and the more data points researchers have about this phenomenon, it gives them a better chance of figuring out what's going on.
However, this is not an instance of liberals choosing not to have boys.
We can assume that this was not in the 10% of the articles that Alex has read.
jordan holmes
I would imagine so.
The Y chromosome is weaker to stress.
Whatever.
dan friesen
I'm not sure.
That's one of the theories that has been floated, perhaps.
jordan holmes
Right, right, right.
No, I'm just saying, like, you know, he doesn't give a shit.
unidentified
No.
dan friesen
He didn't read the article.
Nope.
Maybe the headline?
So here's another one.
alex jones
Vegan demands neighbors, and government's doing this, not cook meat because it smells bad.
How about we not smell your stinking death, you stinking scum?
dan friesen
So this story is about an anonymous person in Berkeley, California requesting that their neighbors not cook meat with the windows open because the smell was overpowering to them when they went jogging.
Even the worst interpretation of this story, this is a neighborhood issue.
There's literally no reason for Alex to be wasting his time critiquing the politeness or lack thereof in a random neighborhood he's never been to.
There's a decent chance this isn't even a real story.
It's all based on someone posting an anonymous note they got making this request, which could easily be fake.
No matter what, it doesn't merit Alex calling anyone scum or even talking about this story at all.
It's the definition of trivial.
Also, that story has nothing to do with the government.
The vegan did not demand anything.
It was a request.
And the request was not for them to stop cooking meat.
It was to close the windows when they did so.
Looks like that story was also not in the 10 percent Alex I hated, I saw that story and it...
jordan holmes
I was so furious that anybody, like so many outlets picked up on that and it just drove me insane.
Neighbors hate each other.
It's so stupid.
Just stop it, guys.
dan friesen
Just stop it.
jordan holmes
They said vegan and it was like, this is going to be a trend.
Fuck off.
People complain about dogs next door.
Is that going to be the next fuck off?
dan friesen
Why not?
jordan holmes
I hate them.
dan friesen
Here's another headline.
alex jones
Watch Homeowner repels thieves with motion-activated water sprinkler.
That was a fun one I'll never have time to get to.
dan friesen
How is this relevant to the show?
This is just one of those fun videos you see someone from your office posting.
It's the sort of thing you see on the local news, and they run it as a story when they need to fill 20 seconds at the end of a show.
This is bullshit!
jordan holmes
He's reading his Facebook feed.
That is what he's doing.
He's like, oh, look at all my Facebook friends sharing articles reading the fucking headlines.
dan friesen
But...
He's been kicked off Facebook.
jordan holmes
I'm sure that he's never found a way to get back on.
dan friesen
You can tell that he has watched that video.
jordan holmes
That was a fun one.
I couldn't read the whole thing.
dan friesen
That's in the 10% he has read.
jordan holmes
Not really a reader.
I'm a visual learner.
dan friesen
Very depressing.
Very sad.
So we get to the fourth.
And a lot of the beginning of this episode is about Mike Bloomberg.
A lot of it is...
jordan holmes
Are we still doing that?
dan friesen
What do you mean?
jordan holmes
Bloomberg?
unidentified
Can't we just not talk about him ever again?
jordan holmes
Yeah.
dan friesen
It's very weird.
I got really overwhelmed because I didn't understand why he was spending so much time on Bloomberg.
Here's just a little taste of this from the beginning of his show.
alex jones
Everybody looks at that phony pile of dog manure and knows.
That he will burn in hell.
Because I know he's the guy who financed lawsuits against us, which makes me feel great.
When a pile of dog feces like that doesn't like me, it means I'm doing really good.
So, bring it on, you demon midget.
By the way, there's nothing against short people.
Hell, I'm not that great in stature.
But, I mean, it's just he thinks he's so big and so powerful.
He definitely has a Napoleonic syndrome.
I mean, you know, I'm 5 '11 when I stand up straight.
He's at least 4 '9 when he stands up straight.
And, boy, let me tell you, that really sold the public, all that sashaying around.
Well, I'm not saying my Bloomberg's gay or anything.
I'm just saying if I was going to cast somebody for a gay gangbang video.
He'd definitely be the main subject of the deposits that were going to be made.
We'll be right back.
Stay with us.
dan friesen
It was a family show.
So Alex hasn't established in any way that Bloomberg is funding the lawsuits against him.
And until he does, I don't believe that's true.
jordan holmes
Don't care.
dan friesen
However, I guess Alex took the news that Bloomberg won that one primary pretty hard because he spends most of this first half hour of the show complaining.
And it's mostly about that video that came out of Bloomberg eating food with his hands pretty grossly.
It's mostly just that.
jordan holmes
I can't.
Always personal, always physical, appearance-based bullshit.
There are so many reasons to hate Bloomberg.
There's so many.
dan friesen
But Alex can't make those critiques.
jordan holmes
Millions of reasons.
dan friesen
He can't make those critiques because he agrees with those things.
jordan holmes
I mean, soda tax, maybe.
I don't know.
dan friesen
Alex hasn't read that article.
unidentified
Other than fucking offensive...
dan friesen
No, he eats weird.
unidentified
Politically...
Fuck!
Fuck!
dan friesen
It's very strange, because Alex is definitely playing this for comedy, but it comes off as Alex being really mad about a guy's eating etiquette.
unidentified
Yeah.
dan friesen
I think what happened is that Carpe Donctum made a meme, and Alex really doesn't want to do any work, so he just plays this clip like three times in the first half hour.
unidentified
Jesus.
dan friesen
And that was why I was not surprised to hear him say this.
alex jones
Man, I have really just...
I don't want to say I've spun my wheels the first.
37 minutes, but...
dan friesen
Do your job, asshole.
jordan holmes
This part isn't in the show.
We're going to cut this part.
We're going to restart the show.
dan friesen
Do your fucking job.
jordan holmes
I know I've wasted 37 minutes up top, but we're going to start the show in the next hour.
dan friesen
There's supposed to be all this super important news that you always weirdly don't have time to get to.
Then you spend over one-sixth of your broadcast day playing joyless memes and whining about a dude who's already dropped out of the race and how he eats food.
jordan holmes
He's the tip of the spear, Dan.
dan friesen
Get the fuck out of here.
jordan holmes
You've got to buy his product so he can offer you this.
Fight!
dan friesen
Do your job.
So anyway, Alex went to the grocery store because his daughter wanted some whipped cream.
jordan holmes
Okay.
dan friesen
And people were not nice to him.
jordan holmes
Oh.
dan friesen
And Alex didn't take that very well.
alex jones
And I was smiling at the checkout, folks.
And I'm going to try to...
It was a wall of...
unidentified
Their souls aren't gone.
But they're in suspended animation.
alex jones
They're in carbonite.
They...
They've been put in a trance and they've been put in a weird place and they think they don't have any power and they think they're desperate and they don't have a reason to live.
And so they're just stewing in self-loathing instead of a connection to God, a connection to beauty.
If they can just recognize beauty and a painting or knitting or helping somebody or gardening, then they would connect to the earth.
But because they're all smartphones and everything else, they're just dying.
It's scary.
And what I saw there is what I see in a Bernie Sanders event.
Then I go to some rural town to meet white people, Hispanics, where they're all alive and happy because they're working and they're alive and they're doing something.
It's modern civilization that's killing us.
dan friesen
Whoa!
Whoa!
jordan holmes
All right.
dan friesen
So people were not nice to him at the grocery store.
jordan holmes
So all of civilization.
dan friesen
Modern civilization is killing us.
jordan holmes
That is a bit of an escalation.
dan friesen
Hello, Unabomber.
jordan holmes
Yes, I agree.
I agree.
dan friesen
Great.
jordan holmes
Also, you should count yourself lucky.
You should be spat upon every time you go outside your door.
dan friesen
Most likely.
jordan holmes
Getting bad looks is a fucking godsend for you.
unidentified
That's a win.
jordan holmes
Yeah.
dan friesen
So Alex plays a clip of a video that's supposed to be out of Iran.
And it's of a number of body bags in the hospital.
And I want to play this clip.
I want to discuss this because I think what it does is really demonstrate how there is a disconnect between what Alex does and what's appropriate.
alex jones
All those dead bodies.
By the way, your brain's a supercomputer, so it has intuition.
That's not intuition.
It knows.
This footage is real.
You can look at that.
You can tell you that that's real.
dan friesen
I, you know, if you just see it...
I would tell you that I have no idea if that video is real.
Maybe it's an old video that someone's reusing, claiming it's from recently.
jordan holmes
It happens all the time.
dan friesen
You do not know just on immediate viewing of the video.
I don't know initially, and neither does Alex.
I'm less interested in that, though, because this clip offers a perfect opportunity to explain one of my main problems with Alex Jones.
It's very difficult to engage in his ideas a lot of the time because he and I have a very basic epistemological disagreement.
Fundamentally, we don't agree on what it means to know something or how knowing something is achieved.
Let's use this video as an example.
Here's how my process works.
It starts with a question.
In this case, is this video real?
I can't possibly know that from the presentation on Alex's show.
There's just not enough information.
So in order to reach that conclusion, I need to seek out information.
Through a little poking around, I can find out that this video is said to have been published by BBC Persia, and it's allegedly of a number of body bags in a hospital in Qom, in Iran.
An article in the New York Post says that it was originally shared on social media by a journalist named Mohamed Ahwez.
And so, you know, While the official count of fatalities in Iran is 107, opponents of the Ayatollah have claimed that they believe that his regime is covering up the real scope of the situation and that there could be many more deaths.
This video has been used as an argument that there are way more deaths than the 107.
With this information, I can entertain the possibility that this video is definitely real for a couple of reasons.
The government of Iran is not the most open and transparent government, so the possibility that they've not been forthcoming is in the realm of possibility.
But even if that isn't the case, there aren't more than 100 body bags in that video, and the outbreak in Iran has been largely centered in Qom.
So it's also possible that this video depicts the people who have died, which is very sad, but not necessarily proof of any cover-up in the way that this video has been used by some, although it is entirely possible that the way that they're using it is.
No matter what, you certainly can't jump to interpretation of the video.
jordan holmes
Results are inconclusive.
Right.
dan friesen
It's entirely possible, and maybe even probable, that this video is real, and I feel okay with that, because I've tried to figure out the source of the video, and nothing seems too suspicious, and places that generally engage in some form of editorial process have posted it, and also...
Some of them do say allegedly.
jordan holmes
Right, right, right.
dan friesen
So there's still a little bit of uncertainty.
For Alex, even if he's correct, I take issue with how he arrives at information.
He sees this video and decides that his brain is a supercomputer and he just automatically knows when something is real.
That obviously isn't true.
Based on years of documentation on this show, but that is his process.
When I tell you my process is seeking out information about where this video came from, who posted it initially, what does it purport to show, that's a process.
His process is, that's real, I know it's real.
Absolutely, no, it's real.
This is dumb.
If that's an acceptable way for him to come to his reporting, then he's just really talking about his feelings on his show, like he said under that deposition.
Information and actual knowledge mean nothing.
jordan holmes
I want that to be true because it helps me if that's true.
Guess what?
dan friesen
It's true.
jordan holmes
The end.
dan friesen
Right.
And this is a very important point.
And that is that whether or not the conclusion that this video is real, whether or not he's right about that, the process is flawed.
unidentified
Right.
dan friesen
And that's important.
jordan holmes
You need to be process-oriented, not results-oriented, as baseball just figured out in five years ago.
dan friesen
Sure.
If you have a sound process, you will generally arrive at an appropriate conclusion.
On a more consistent basis than if you're like, ah, fuck it, whatever.
You'll randomly be okay or close to right in some cases.
jordan holmes
And then people will cherry pick that and be like, see?
Intuition is so...
And I got there faster than all those number crunching nerds.
All that shit.
dan friesen
Now, unfortunately, if you do engage in this process and you have no standards for anything, you'll end up doing some really fucked up things.
I don't know.
Having Stuart Rhodes, the head of the Oath Keepers, come on your show and act like a coronavirus expert, which does happen.
jordan holmes
No.
dan friesen
Yeah.
unidentified
No.
dan friesen
Here comes.
jordan holmes
Refuse.
dan friesen
Here comes Stuart Rhodes.
jordan holmes
No.
dan friesen
Noted doctor.
What?
jordan holmes
He's a fucking militia guy.
dan friesen
You bet.
jordan holmes
The people who don't know anything about science.
stewart rhodes
The domestic flights are now spreading it around because it is airborne.
It's not just that you get it when someone coughs near you.
If you're six feet away, you're safe.
It could be circulating through the air conditioning, be circulating through the air in a school, in an airport, any enclosed space.
And you're going to breathe it in just like smallpox or just like measles.
That's what's different about this.
It's not the same as the flu and how it's transmitted.
It's also an aerosol.
It can be airborne.
dan friesen
See, this is why it's a bad idea to have your militia leader gun weirdo buddy on your show to talk as if he's an expert in public health because he'll say things like that.
There's currently no evidence that the coronavirus is transmittable in airborne fashion.
It's been shown to transmit by human-to-human contact, by contact with some surfaces where the virus may have ended up on, and by respiratory droplets caused by coughs and sneezes.
It's easy to say that if a sneeze can transmit the virus, it means it's airborne, but that's not the same thing.
Diseases like measles can live in the air for long periods, hours after someone sneezes or coughs or emits, which is not the case with the coronavirus as far as the current information on the subject shows.
This matters because the difference between being airborne and not is massive in terms of the spread of the virus.
When Stuart Rhodes, what he's doing right now is lying to Alex's audience to make them more scared about a health matter, which is why you shouldn't be speaking on these subjects.
He has no idea what he's talking about, and he can really only do harm.
Honestly, Stuart should stick to whining about guns and threatening a violent revolution.
He's much better at that.
jordan holmes
I was thinking maybe I fucked up at the beginning of that when he said it's not blah blah blah blah, it's airborne.
And I was like, oh, he's gonna twist it and be like...
It's carried on planes.
Get it?
It's airborne.
That's how it's getting around the world.
And then he was like, nope, legit.
It's in the fucking AC.
unidentified
Yeah.
jordan holmes
Great.
dan friesen
Wow.
There's distinctions.
jordan holmes
Wow.
dan friesen
Yeah, he's wrong.
jordan holmes
That's fucked up.
dan friesen
So Alex starts talking about his lieutenant colonel sources.
This will be one of the reasons why I made you really bring into sharp focus that it was over the weekend that the first one talked to him.
jordan holmes
Okay.
alex jones
Give us your expertise.
You have a lot of sources.
It's not that FEMA has all the answers.
The military has all the answers.
But I was told a month ago that we believe it kills about 2% of people and we already have an undeclared emergency going on that's now been admitted.
dan friesen
So because now Alex has added the secret emergency declaration that he's building from the Hill headline and conflating the Azar announcement from the end of January.
Now he needs one of his sources to have been a month in the past.
So he's taken the first lieutenant colonel that talked to him over the weekend and moved it back to a month before because it's more convenient for the narrative.
Nothing matters.
Everything shifts.
This is all bullshit.
jordan holmes
You are missing one possibility.
Alex controls time.
dan friesen
Oh, he's a time lord.
jordan holmes
Yes, exactly.
dan friesen
It's possible.
jordan holmes
He got into his TARDIS, took the lieutenant colonel.
They both went back to a month ago.
The lieutenant colonel told him again.
So technically, he is correct when he says that a month ago, the lieutenant colonel told him.
They were TARDISing.
dan friesen
Okay.
jordan holmes
The end.
dan friesen
Fine.
jordan holmes
Okay.
dan friesen
If that's the case, I can't fact check that.
jordan holmes
I know somebody who could.
Matt Smith.
dan friesen
So Alex has allowed Stewart to now say that it's airborne and great.
Again, Stewart has no business talking about any of these issues, but he makes a claim here that's really kind of interesting and I think also very irresponsible.
alex jones
Gut level, you really think this is the big one?
stewart rhodes
Yeah, I think it's legit.
I think we're living the movie contagion.
I think this is a serious threat.
alex jones
I've never heard you this alarmist before.
stewart rhodes
No, well, here's the thing.
It comes back again and again.
In fact, they've already said that.
alex jones
And if it isn't as bad as we think, we at least did what we had to.
stewart rhodes
Yeah, well, reinfection is more dangerous.
I just saw an article.
alex jones
Oh, that's confirmed.
It's like AIDS.
It comes back.
unidentified
HIV.
stewart rhodes
And the second time it comes back...
jordan holmes
Do you guys know what viruses are?
stewart rhodes
Well, that's already out there in the mainstream press.
dan friesen
So, there was an article about people who had recovered from coronavirus testing positive afterward that was published in the New York Times on March 6th.
But that's after this episode was aired, so they don't know about that article unless the Time Lord thing.
But it is discussing the same phenomenon that Alex and Stuart are talking about.
There are not many cases of reinfection that have been found, but experts who have looked into it are of the opinion that there are a couple explanations that are the most likely.
The first is that these are people who got false negatives in the tests that deemed them recovered.
So it's not actually a reinfection as much as it is them still being sick but having gotten inaccurate negative tests.
jordan holmes
That doesn't sound possible!
dan friesen
It's possible, but it seems probably unlikely.
Since to be discharged from these hospitals, people have to test negative in two consecutive tests one day apart.
It is unlikely, but it's also not impossible since false negatives are more common than false positives.
So it's possible, and that's one explanation.
jordan holmes
Well, considering the kit rollout that we've seen, there's all kinds of possibilities.
Human error.
Absolutely.
Absolutely.
dan friesen
And the other possibility that they often bring up is that the PCR test that's being done that found them positive after recovering could be picking up remnants of the virus because it's a super sensitive test.
This New York Times article points out that PCR tests still, quote, detect remnants of the measles virus months after people are no longer contagious.
So there are those possibilities.
There are other explanations than this virus keeps coming back.
jordan holmes
Yeah, yeah, yeah.
dan friesen
The Journal of the American Medical Association found four patients in China who had tested negative, been discharged, and then tested positive five to 13 days later.
Though they tested positive later, they were asymptomatic and none of the family members who lived with them were infected, which tends to indicate that they weren't contagious.
Their study was inconclusive as to the cause of this phenomenon, but suggested further examination.
There was recently one guy in China who died after getting discharged from the hospital, presumably because he was clear of the virus.
His situation doesn't match what they're talking about, though, since he died of respiratory failure, so it's more likely a case where he was wrongly discharged.
He was one of a number of readmittances to the Fang Kang Hospital, one of the newly constructed facilities they've put up, so odds are this was a hospital problem where they discharged patients too capriciously.
There was one case in Japan of a woman who recovered and then days later returned to the hospital with a sore throat and chest pains and tested positive again.
So that kind of feeds into the attacks the heart stuff that Stuart was talking about.
Some early indications that doctors are seeing are that the antibodies that the body creates in response to the coronavirus do not persist for very long in most people.
So unlike chickenpox, where if you get it and you're immune to it afterwards...
People may only have a very temporary immunity in the case of this virus.
That's possible.
jordan holmes
Which is why we need a vaccine for it and not just survive it or take your kids to fucking chicken coronavirus parties.
unidentified
Sure.
dan friesen
There have been other cases than these, but there are, quote, too few twice positive cases to conduct a study or draw a definitive conclusion.
As Sharon Lewis, the director of the Peter Doherty Institute for Infection and Immunity in Melbourne, told Fortune.
news that seems to match up a little closer with what Alex and Stuart are saying.
This article is about an anonymous doctor sending Taiwan news a message claiming that reinfection of the virus increased people's The sub-headline of this article reads, quote, So, if you just skim the headlines, you might think that this doctor was telling Taiwan News that the reinfection of coronavirus attacks your heart,
which is in line with what Alex and Stuart are saying.
If you read the actual article, here's what the doctor said.
Quote, a few people recovered from the first time by their own immune system, but the meds they're using damaging their heart tissue.
And when they get it a second time, the antibody doesn't help but makes it worse.
and they die a sudden death from heart failure.
I can't find any data backing up this anonymous claim, but if you take it at face value as accurate...
Yeah.
This is an article from February 14th, so it's not exactly breaking news.
But I could see this possibly, you know, it's possible there's something here.
If it's true that the meds that were being used compromised a patient's heart, it would put them at far greater risk from the virus.
But the reinfection has nothing to do with that.
That's strictly a problem with these meds.
Anyway, the point is, if this is the source that Stuart and Alex are using, they're completely misusing it.
And I wouldn't be surprised if neither of them had actually even read the article, just read the headline, because the headline is in line.
jordan holmes
That's all they want.
dan friesen
The headline's in line with the narrative that they're putting forth.
The article is not.
At this stage, even experts can't definitively say whether the relatively small phenomenon of people testing positive, negative, positive is the result of human error, faulty tests, or some feature of this virus that is not yet understood.
And Alex Jones and the head of the Oath Keepers, they know way less than the experts.
They're just engaging in really irresponsible stuff here.
jordan holmes
I'm still recovering from the...
Oh, it's airborne now.
It's in your AC.
Run.
Run.
Get outside.
Go to the woods.
Go underground.
dan friesen
Yep.
jordan holmes
It can follow you underground!
It's in the ground now!
dan friesen
And even if you get better, you're going to get sick again.
jordan holmes
Oh no!
dan friesen
And now your heart attack boom.
jordan holmes
Oh god damn it!
We're all dead!
dan friesen
It's over for humanity.
jordan holmes
It'll happen.
dan friesen
So, Stuart Rhodes, Alex Jones, having a great time.
jordan holmes
Yes!
It does seem like they're enjoying themselves.
dan friesen
How do you make this even better?
jordan holmes
Oh, add Roger Stone.
dan friesen
Close.
Steve Pacheco.
jordan holmes
No!
God damn it!
dan friesen
So Steve shows up.
jordan holmes
Okay.
dan friesen
And he wants to weigh in on the Democratic primary.
jordan holmes
I've cured the Democrats, too!
dan friesen
Nope.
He does want to talk about the Democratic primary, and I sense a little anti-Semitism.
jordan holmes
Great.
steve pieczenik
What you're seeing right now is not only the end of the Democratic Party, they're finished.
When you have a Bloomberg and you have a Bernie Sanders, you have a Jew who's a socialist and a Jew's a billionaire.
jordan holmes
That's a hard J, buddy.
steve pieczenik
You have played out the scenario of any conceivable rationality for the Democrats.
dan friesen
Steve's whole point about Trump being a great person to have be president is because he's a super rich businessman.
Why does it matter that Bloomberg's Jewish?
Steve.
jordan holmes
I do think that that is one thing.
Because I remember, I've gotten a few people texting me and messaging me about how when Elizabeth Warren dropped out of the race, they're disappointed because now we're back to two white dudes all over again.
And that Nazi flag really should put into sharp relief that we are not back to two white dudes.
dan friesen
Well, some people view it that way, and some people do not.
jordan holmes
Some people very much do not, and they are not on the side of the white guy.
dan friesen
No.
jordan holmes
Yeah.
dan friesen
No.
jordan holmes
Nope.
dan friesen
So Alex is very convinced that no matter what the shifting sands of his coronavirus narrative is, he's certain that it's man-made.
This isn't even up for debate, he says.
Unfortunately.
Steve Prochenek doesn't buy that bullshit.
steve pieczenik
Well, then it's up for debate!
I don't think so, and I'll tell you why.
Number one, if you look on the can of Lysol, you will see coronavirus.
Number two, if you want to create a virus in biological warfare, which I know quite a lot about, you don't create a coronavirus.
They're far more lethal entities, but they don't work in biological warfare because we have some other restrictions on it.
dan friesen
So, I don't know what the Lysol part is about, but I know that there was a conspiracy going around about, like...
jordan holmes
I saw that somebody took a picture and it was like, Lysol helps kill 99.8% and they put Corona...
Yeah, yeah, yeah.
dan friesen
That sort of thing.
I don't know what Steve is saying, but it is interesting that he's like, nah, it's not man-made.
jordan holmes
Yeah.
dan friesen
Alex is going to have a tough time with that.
Now...
I mean, there's advice.
jordan holmes
Oh.
dan friesen
And then there's bad advice.
jordan holmes
Yeah.
dan friesen
And then there's Pchenik.
jordan holmes
It's its own category.
dan friesen
He has a plan.
jordan holmes
No!
I want to hear this.
steve pieczenik
The reality is the following.
You've got Tony Fauci.
You don't have the CDC.
You don't have HHS.
Get rid of all those people.
unidentified
Of course.
steve pieczenik
They're not useful.
The CDC was way behind, didn't have the proper test.
And this is an example of what I was saying a long time ago for Trump.
dan friesen
So his advice is get rid of the CDC.
Get rid of the HHS.
unidentified
Just keep Tony Fauci.
jordan holmes
Alright.
Here's my plan.
Now, a lot of people in a lot of movies have all been about fighting the zombie apocalypse.
My plan is what if instead...
We don't.
dan friesen
What if we lean in?
jordan holmes
Why not become a zombie?
You don't know if it's not better.
dan friesen
Maybe they're having a great time.
jordan holmes
Maybe they're having a great time.
It seems like they're populating more than white people are now.
That's your great replacement theory.
Jesus Christ.
dan friesen
Yeah, I mean, I would say that dumb advice is...
jordan holmes
Get rid of...
No doctors!
dan friesen
Steve, come on, man.
jordan holmes
We should only be treated by midwives.
dan friesen
I think this indicates two things.
One, Steve is really committed to the bit in terms of we have to get rid of everybody in the government.
And then the second thing I hear from that is that Steve really doesn't view this as a pressing concern.
unidentified
No.
dan friesen
The coronavirus, I mean, he cured himself.
jordan holmes
Yeah, exactly.
dan friesen
He does reiterate that in this episode.
jordan holmes
He cannot possibly have doubled down on that.
dan friesen
It's no big deal, man.
jordan holmes
That's insane.
dan friesen
It's no big deal, which runs counter to everything.
Every element of Alex's.
jordan holmes
Except on Tuesday?
dan friesen
No.
jordan holmes
Or Monday?
dan friesen
No.
jordan holmes
Which day was it?
dan friesen
Sunday.
That was the supply chain one.
But also Steve says that's not a big deal.
unidentified
Okay, well fine.
dan friesen
It'll all work out.
It's all fine.
jordan holmes
Okay.
dan friesen
Now, Stuart's still there.
He's still hanging out.
jordan holmes
Of course.
dan friesen
And Steve knows that Stuart's there.
And he knows that militias are very active in Montana.
And so he starts rambling about Montana.
I'm going to play this clip.
jordan holmes
Okay.
dan friesen
This has nothing to do with anything.
unidentified
Okay.
jordan holmes
I'm definitely Mike Downing for this.
dan friesen
It has nothing to do with anything that we're talking about before this.
It's very weird.
steve pieczenik
Now, Stuart and I come out of Montana.
I know a little bit about them.
And I had a lawyer who was disbarred from Montana and came down to Florida.
Now, why is Montana a problem?
Montana in and of itself...
It was really a democratic state, left wing.
And I was totally shocked because I had come up there and worked in Bozeman to start up companies.
But when my accountant told me, look, at the local level, you're going to be paying all kinds of taxes, I said, it's not worth it.
I'm getting out of here.
alex jones
Stay there.
We're back in two minutes.
Hour number three with Stuart Rhodes and Dr. Stephen Chinnick.
We'll get your take on Montana.
Straight ahead.
Stay with us.
dan friesen
We'll get your take on Montana.
alex jones
Sure.
dan friesen
Steve, what are you talking about?
jordan holmes
Steve, when did you even have time?
dan friesen
Yeah.
jordan holmes
Give me the timeline.
Let me know when you were in Montana.
I want to look that up and cross-reference that with whether or not you were in Korea at the time.
dan friesen
I do love that anytime anybody brings up anything, Steve is like, we are together on this because I, too, am from Montana.
unidentified
I had a lawyer disbarred from Montana.
jordan holmes
What?
All right.
dan friesen
Whatever.
jordan holmes
Thanks, Steve.
Thanks, globe-trotting Forrest Gump.
dan friesen
Sure.
So Steve gets to talking about how he wants to get rid of all these government agencies and everything because he can't get integrated intelligence.
jordan holmes
Absolutely not.
dan friesen
To that, Alex is like, well, Papa Steve, haven't I given you integrated intelligence?
This is very fucked up.
steve pieczenik
I've got 16 intelligence units that are worthless.
They all want to have their own little job.
But when I need an integrated intelligence prediction, it doesn't work.
The CIA doesn't work.
The NSA doesn't work.
Cyber communication.
alex jones
By the way, we're not bragging, but isn't Infowars with all our guests?
We've been giving the real integrated intelligence analysis.
steve pieczenik
I've said that for 18 years.
You've been ahead of the curve.
I mean, honestly...
alex jones
But I'm not even trying to shoot our horn.
It's scary that we saw Trump was going to win two years before he did, and that half of his support was...
unidentified
Two years?
alex jones
The globalists are like, they don't even get what's going on.
dan friesen
Man.
jordan holmes
Get the fuck out of here.
unidentified
Two years.
jordan holmes
Get the fuck out of here.
dan friesen
That's such bullshit.
jordan holmes
Fucking six months before he was elected, you were calling him a goddamn mobster.
dan friesen
Fuck you.
That's not true, but it was less than a year.
He started supporting Trump in December 2015.
jordan holmes
Yeah, 2015.
Okay, sorry.
dan friesen
It was about 11 months before.
But Trump wasn't even running two years before the election.
unidentified
Nope.
dan friesen
He announced in, what was it, July?
jordan holmes
Yeah.
dan friesen
Anyway.
So fucking stupid.
They talk about, another thing that Steve has been consistent on for a long time, is that the Democratic Party is dying.
They're all dying out.
And so he's talking about that a little bit, and he's like, eh, kind of let them.
You know, whatever.
In talking about that, I think he indicates that he was not a good practicing therapist back when he was.
steve pieczenik
The death of this party and the death of a system that really is no longer a constitutional system.
alex jones
You're right.
You predicted it 10 years ago.
I didn't believe you.
So how do they go down?
And I don't want to be like Gandalf up here.
The bulrog falls off the cliff.
He gets me with his whip.
How do we stop them from taking us down with them?
jordan holmes
Gandalf comes back.
steve pieczenik
You don't do anything with him.
It's basically like a patient committing suicide, what I call the borderline.
Every time they want to cut their wrists, I let them cut their wrists.
If they want to keep cutting their wrists, they do it in front of me, and I said, fine, I'm not going to stop you.
Why would I, as a psychiatrist, want to stop your self-destructive behavior?
dan friesen
I would not be comfortable going to that psychiatrist or psychologist.
jordan holmes
Listen, I am going to go out on a limb here, and I'm going to say, Because it's your fucking job.
dan friesen
I'm not sure that's best practices.
Watch people cut their wrists?
jordan holmes
I go to a psychiatrist.
Dan, I have an appointment this week.
And I'll tell you something.
Not...
She is not going to watch me do that.
dan friesen
Yeah, if I were to go to my therapist and be like, hey, what do you think about this?
jordan holmes
Yeah, no kidding.
dan friesen
If he didn't call the police, I would think he was the worst therapist in the world.
jordan holmes
I mean, doesn't he actually have a responsibility by law to call the police if you're self-harming in his office?
dan friesen
I would assume there's some sort of a guidance on that issue.
Anyway, whether there is or not.
I think Steve just indicated he's a fucking weirdo.
jordan holmes
No, yeah.
You have to call the police if you're planning to commit violence to others or yourself.
dan friesen
I don't know what the line is on violence, but yeah.
I should have looked into that, but I didn't.
Anyway, Steve's gone.
He's been a complete nutbag.
jordan holmes
I'm firing him as my therapist, that's for sure.
dan friesen
Sure.
I don't think he's practicing anymore.
Maybe there's a reason.
jordan holmes
For a reason, yeah.
dan friesen
So Alex gets into this idea that he has these people who are clearly contradicting each other on his show.
And he's like, yeah, people accuse me of that.
alex jones
People ask me all the time on the street and emails and comments.
Why do you have one guest on the district with another guest?
Why do you say one day, one hour, nothing, another?
Well, no, I'm always for the Second Amendment and I'm always for the family and Jesus Christ and First Amendment and always for America.
jordan holmes
But you're not always.
alex jones
I want to have different perspectives on the different angles to challenge my mind.
dan friesen
If Alex wants to challenge his mind, he should take up Sudoku.
If he wants to get the perspectives of people he thinks are interesting, then he should probably learn how to conduct an interview.
The problem with Alex's show is not that he has different people on with different ideas.
The problem is that he doesn't engage with those ideas from a consistent position.
He agrees with just about everything his dumb friends say and then he changes his narratives based on them.
You can see earlier how he turned something Mike Adams said about a Rush Limbaugh clip into two high-level sources telling him that half the U.S. was going to get coronavirus with three million deaths.
There really is only one responsible way to do a show like what Alex is trying to do, and that's for him to stay neutral.
To have a consistent, northward-facing bearing, which would be hard, because it would require him to prepare.
He would need to hear Stuart Rhodes say the coronavirus is airborne and be able to correct him, which Alex would never do.
For one, he doesn't want to offend his gun buddy, and two, he's more than happy to let Stuart say it so he can say it himself later.
Because Alex refuses to do any work and he can't stop himself from believing basically anything his stupid friends tell him, you end up in a situation where his show ends up being super disorienting and kind of abusive.
For this episode, I've listened to Sunday through Wednesday of last week, and I don't know what Alex's real position on coronavirus is.
On Sunday, the virus isn't a big deal and the real issue is the supply chain disruption.
He even suggests that the whole thing is fake because if it was real, China would have covered it up.
The whole thing is a plot to disrupt the economy and attack Trump.
But then on Monday, Alex mysteriously has two fake high-level sources who predict three million dead, one over the weekend and one that morning, and all of a sudden, this is a severe medical panic again.
And even though it's a major crisis, he still has time to try and bait Gorka into a fight.
Then on Tuesday, it's still the three million death dire situation, but it's cool because Trump secretly declared a national emergency a month ago, and all the unpreparedness you see all around you is actually just globalists in the bureaucracy trying to fuck Trump over.
Of course, even though he's still in a gigantic pandemic mode, Alex still has time to spend an hour grotesquely interviewing Tommy Robinson and crying about God.
Then on Wednesday, one of these fake sources actually told Alex this stuff about the 2% death rate a month ago, even though a month ago Alex was speculating this was a race-specific bioweapon that maybe Trump had launched on China as payback for fentanyl.
And then he has super-credible, always-right expert Steve Pachenik on to say that this isn't man-made and it's no big deal because, you know, he got it and he cured himself.
What we need to do is get rid of the CDC and the HHS!
I can't put it more simply than this.
I pay attention to Alex and listen to his show actively, and I have no idea what his actual position is.
He goes along with the whims of these guests, and contradictory things they say become parts of his narratives in a way that creates a generalized incoherence that's really hard to penetrate.
I suspect that this is intentional.
If he operates this way, Alex will have endorsed and played around with a hundred nonsense theories that his guests have brought up, and on the off chance that one of them ends up being close to accurate, he can pretend those other 99 were just in wargaming things and not really his position, and the real one was the one that's close to accurate.
I'm fairly convinced that this is his strategy, consciously or not.
But whatever the case, it makes this show very hard to understand.
If you're just passively listening to this and you actually believe that Alex knows anything about what he's talking about, I can't imagine what you have to go through on a weekly basis.
Everything changes because nothing's real.
On Monday, Alex's source told him the 2% figure that past weekend.
Then on Wednesday was a month ago.
Alex tells Steve that he knew Trump was going to get elected two years before the election, when Trump didn't even announce two years in advance, and Alex thought Trump was a mobbed-up fraud until December 2015, less than a year before the election.
In the same way that Alex is not a consistent protagonist for the show, the past of his positions and what he states as facts are just a whim.
People who listen to this show were tricked into thinking that what they were getting was researched and hidden information.
But it's really just the emotional outbursts of a racist idiot who can't even be bothered to read articles past headlines.
It's sad.
I mean, it really bums me out.
unidentified
It's...
dan friesen
It's difficult for me because I know that a certain amount of Alex's audience didn't know what they were getting into.
You get seduced in with this promise of entertainment.
Or I know the truth behind the headlines.
Tomorrow's news today kind of bullshit.
And then before you know it, you could get just lulled to sleep on this idea that he's right about everything.
It's just, if you pay attention, you see the way these things shift.
Those two high-level sources, the way that story changes, and the beginning of it, the way it's so clearly based on a conversation with Mike Adams about a Rush Limbaugh clip, you wouldn't notice that unless you're paying attention.
jordan holmes
Right.
I imagine that they treat him the same way he treats the news and shit like that, where it doesn't matter.
It really kind of doesn't matter what he says.
What matters is what you choose to think that he said.
So he gives you a wide range of options.
But if you're listening to him, you're really only looking for what reinforces your already dumb beliefs.
dan friesen
Yeah, probably.
jordan holmes
You know, like he's not a source.
He's a comfort blanket.
dan friesen
There's probably some of that.
But whatever it is, it's just not.
jordan holmes
Yeah, it's a disaster.
dan friesen
So, Stuart is still around, and he has another militia buddy with him, and I don't really care to even remember the name of that guy.
But Stuart thinks that this virus is going to have other implications.
stewart rhodes
And there's a good example of a real crisis that has a side benefit for them of shutting down the ability of people in Hong Kong, for example, to protest.
And the same thing in the United States.
A lockdown in our country will stop the rise of these militia units, for example, in Virginia.
No one's going to want to go to a mass muster of 500 guys like we just had.
alex jones
Exactly.
It's a way to shut down the political awakening in America.
dan friesen
Oh, no.
Militia turnout will be down.
jordan holmes
Oh, yeah.
dan friesen
That's their real goal, man.
jordan holmes
Yeah, yeah.
We want to keep those 500 people from getting close to each other.
dan friesen
With all their gun fun.
jordan holmes
Yeah.
I mean, sure, there is the millions of women who get together and protest that might be shut down.
But what the government's really focusing on is those 500 gun weirdos.
unidentified
Right.
jordan holmes
That's their big concern.
dan friesen
So, Stewart doesn't like Mike Pence.
And he doesn't trust the idea that he's in charge of this coronavirus response.
jordan holmes
Okay.
dan friesen
Now, Alex tries to defend Mike Pence.
jordan holmes
That's a bad idea.
dan friesen
And this goes weird.
alex jones
One thing you and Pacino agree on, don't trust Pence.
I kind of like Pence, but I know his background, but why is Pence Pence?
stewart rhodes
Well, first of all, the most recent example is he's fully in favor of red flag.
He was wanting to send...
jordan holmes
Really?
stewart rhodes
Oh, yeah.
He had a symposium in Indiana for Red Flag.
alex jones
Wow, show my ignorance.
He's for Red Flag?
Wow.
stewart rhodes
Yeah.
He had a symposium in Indiana saying that the Red Flag legislation in Indiana is the model the whole country should follow.
dan friesen
You remember a couple clips back before I went on that rant about how Alex's show is abusively inconsistent?
You remember how in that clip Alex said that people ask him why he says one thing one hour and then something else the next?
You remember how he tried to maintain that his consistency was that he's pro-gun Second Amendment?
Like ten minutes later, here he is trying to push back on Stuart Rhodes talking shit about Mike Pence when he's informed that Pence is in favor of red flag laws, which to people like Stuart and Alex are the equivalent of tyranny.
On August 28th, 2019, Pence told a roundtable discussion.
He held one in response to the Dayton and El Paso shootings.
And Stuart is totally right.
Mike Pence was arguing that Indiana's existing red flag laws about guns were a model that the federal government could follow.
This was a big deal in the fringe gun weirdo circles.
Alex's buddy Larry Pratt's group Gun Owners of America even launched a seven-tweet thread about the meeting saying, quote, Mike Pence is again calling for red flag gun grabs, citing that Indiana's gun confiscation law could be a model for the country.
And in all caps, this is dangerous!
jordan holmes
Oh, they got him.
dan friesen
Alex had no idea about this.
The shining example of his consistency is an issue that he knows basically nothing about except that he likes guns.
The fucking vice president has openly supported what he considers a breach of the Second Amendment, and Alex is surprised to hear about it like six months after the rest of the gun weirdos lost their minds about it.
Alex is so averse to work that he can't even handle his one marquee issue well, and it shows when he's sitting here with an actually committed gun weirdo.
Stuart Rhodes is the real McCoy.
Like, he actually does.
jordan holmes
He's an insane person.
Yes.
dan friesen
And Alex is a guy who, he's even sort of role-playing his gun support, or else he would know that Mike Pence was engaged in this.
Alex says, wow, look at my ignorance.
jordan holmes
Yeah.
Which he is never ignorant.
He's not trying to brag, but he's never wrong or never uninformed about something.
dan friesen
So now, here's where this gets fun.
jordan holmes
Okay.
dan friesen
So we've decided that Mike Pence is bad now.
jordan holmes
Evil.
dan friesen
Alex, this other guy.
jordan holmes
Welcome to the team, I guess.
dan friesen
And Stuart Rhodes have all decided that Pence is the worst.
jordan holmes
Good.
dan friesen
Now, it's time to decide who should take over for Pence.
jordan holmes
Okay, we're fantasy booking.
dan friesen
Yep.
Okay.
It has the feeling of them being like, all right, who are we going to put in in his place?
jordan holmes
I'm guessing not Maria Bamford.
dan friesen
No.
stewart rhodes
Well, I think what's happening is that Pence is part of the control team to control Trump and set him up.
That's what I really believe is going to happen to him.
He's a globalist.
I don't care how many times he kneels on the floor.
alex jones
So who would Trump replace Pence with?
stewart rhodes
Good question.
unidentified
Who should he replace him with?
alex jones
Maybe Congressman Scalise.
Jim Jordan.
Rand Paul.
unidentified
Don't say Eric Pence.
stewart rhodes
What was the gentleman's name from Kansas?
jordan holmes
Hoback?
stewart rhodes
No, the other one.
alex jones
No, I know he's the one that was Attorney General.
He's really good.
Hurley, Hurley.
unidentified
Kasich.
dan friesen
That guy's from Missouri.
stewart rhodes
I wouldn't go for Kasich.
dan friesen
He's from Ohio.
unidentified
Kasich gives me a bad feeling, but Jim Jordan would be good in my mind.
alex jones
Jim Jordan, you can tell us a good guy.
dan friesen
I hate to be the bearer of bad news, but Jim Jordan is not a good guy.
The reports about his cover-up of the doctor who was sexually assaulting members of the Ohio Ohio State wrestling team, when Jordan was the assistant coach, are just getting more and more damning.
jordan holmes
Oh, well, there is that.
dan friesen
Yes.
unidentified
On February 12th, the Daily Beast reported that the former team captain, Adam DiSabato, spoke before the House Civil Justice Committee and testified that, quote, Jordan called him repeatedly in 2018 after his brother, Michael DiSabato, publicly claimed that the sexual abuse of late team Dr. Richard Strauss was common knowledge to those in the wrestling program, including Jordan.
dan friesen
Adam told the committee, quote, Jim Jordan called me crying, groveling, begging me to go against my brother.
That's the kind of cover-up that's going on there.
An OSU investigation found that this doctor had abused at least 177 kids between 1979 and 1998.
And Jordan was the assistant coach there between 1987 and 1995, all periods where this doctor was there.
As if things weren't already looking bad for Jordan, on March 6th, CNN reported that there are now six former OSU wrestlers who were willing to speak with them, and that, quote, they were present when Jordan heard or responded to sexual misconduct complaints about the team doctor, Richard Strauss.
According to the article, eight more former wrestlers said that the doctor's behavior was, quote, an open secret in the athletic department.
All this is really bad for Jim Jordan because his whole position on this is that he had no idea that this doctor was abusing these students.
Meanwhile, all available evidence kind of points to him knowing and turning a blind eye.
So cool, Alex.
If that's who you're going to go to bat for as a good guy, you should feel really good about that.
I wonder if this sort of information is the kind of thing Alex will magically become aware of if Jim Jordan ever turns on Trump.
I wonder about that, because I think it is.
jordan holmes
I just can't imagine.
Especially with how often Alex screams about, if anybody did that to my kid, I'd murder him!
I'd kill him!
dan friesen
I'm the protector of the children.
jordan holmes
Exactly.
And then just all of this is just...
I just...
Jim Jordan's a good guy.
Say it.
Say it out loud, and you can go fuck yourself.
dan friesen
So we have one last clip here from the fourth, and it's Stuart talking about what he wants Trump to do.
jordan holmes
I imagine kill.
dan friesen
Good lord.
I hope that Trump does not do this.
alex jones
If Trump wants to truly win, he should stand in as the POTUS in this crisis.
As Pat McCann said, he must now do it.
He's already gotten almost there.
He's just got to...
Do it.
stewart rhodes
In a constitutional manner.
And the way to do that is to call up the militia, as the colonel's pointing out, put all of us veterans back on the border and lock it down and stop all international flights.
Just start right there.
alex jones
And that would kill the cartels instantly.
stewart rhodes
Oh, yeah, absolutely.
alex jones
Total exercise of power.
stewart rhodes
It would.
And would also stop the further flying in of people that are infected with this virus.
It would make him a hero.
alex jones
Well, let's be honest.
The virus is a cover to secure the republic.
dan friesen
What?
You know what he's talking about there?
That goes back to the you can either have Pelosi martial law or Trump martial law.
I think that underneath this, underneath this all, Alex on some level, though not very open about it, kind of thinks this is an opportunity.
jordan holmes
Yeah.
dan friesen
For Trump to enact some martial law, clean house, arrest all of his political enemies and all that shit, secure the republic.
jordan holmes
And put him back on Facebook, for God's sakes!
dan friesen
That will also be a part of it.
So I think underneath some of this, no matter what the narrative is, even though we can see over the course of the span of a few days, it shifts dramatically.
There's large changes to what Alex's main driving point is.
Even beneath that, there's probably this underlying current of, I hope Trump uses this to enact martial law.
The Trump martial law that I want in order for all liberals and all the drag queens to be executed or thrown in prison.
All the Democratic Party will be outlawed.
All of this authoritarian rule will come into place, but it will be white, Christian, straight, male-protected martial law.
I think that a lot of that is underneath all of this, and that's why a lot of it can be contradictory and shifting, and it doesn't really matter to him.
He's just hoping that Trump pulls the trigger on this shit.
jordan holmes
Maybe when he says, you know, like, oh, there's a lot of conflicting information, but I've always been about the same thing.
I've always been about guns and Jesus and all that shit.
What we're really finding out is he's always been about whiteness.
Just whiteness and just white fascism.
dan friesen
So let's get the taste of all this out of our mouth with another end of the show, out of context drop.
alex jones
Chimpanzees can rip a person's face off, no problem.
What person do you know today that can rip somebody's face off?
Fair enough.
dan friesen
Good question.
jordan holmes
Okay, let's fantasy.
Okay, they want to find out who...
Should be Vice President Dan.
I want to find out who can rip faces off.
Do you know anyone who can rip a face off?
dan friesen
I mean, I saw the movie Face Off.
jordan holmes
That's true.
They didn't do it with their hands, though.
Although I do believe Nicolas Cage could commit enough to do it.
dan friesen
Probably.
He's a guy who's in it to win it.
jordan holmes
How about Jason Momoa?
Or The Rock?
The Rock could rip a face off, right?
dan friesen
Maybe.
jordan holmes
Maybe.
dan friesen
And kayfabe.
Anyway, this episode is part one.
We'll be back on Wednesday for the stunning, thrilling conclusion of the next eight hour hour.
Things change when he's bald.
I'm excited.
I'm excited to see if baldness gives him some sort of clarity of thought, consistency, any of these.
jordan holmes
Maybe he's been keeping all of his bad ideas in that part.
dan friesen
In that hair.
jordan holmes
In that part in his head.
unidentified
Could be.
jordan holmes
Yeah, yeah, yeah.
unidentified
We'll see.
dan friesen
But until then, we have a website.
jordan holmes
We do have a website.
It's knowledgefight.com.
dan friesen
That is right.
We are on Twitter.
jordan holmes
We are on Twitter.
It's at...
Knowledge underscore fight and not go to bed Jordan.
dan friesen
That's correct.
We are also on Twitter, Facebook.
jordan holmes
We are.
And if you'd like to download the show, please go to iTunes, download, leave a review, donate to the show, buy a shirt, all of it.
Thank you very much.
dan friesen
Yeah, we'll be back.
But until then, I'm Neo.
I'm Leo.
I am a double cheeseburger for breakfast.
alex jones
Andy in Kansas, you're on the air.
Thanks for holding.
unidentified
Hello, Alex.
jordan holmes
I'm a first-time caller.
unidentified
I'm a huge fan.
I love your work.
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