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Oct. 16, 2019 - Knowledge Fight
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#356: October 11, 2019

Jordan Holmes and Dan Friesen dissect Alex Jones’ October 11, 2019, episode, where he retells The Three Little Pigs as a globalist allegory, falsely ties Phil Mudd to Lincoln’s assassination, and promotes Free Speech TV with misleading ads. Jones dismisses Trump’s inaction against "deep state" threats while urging authoritarian crackdowns, like suspending Congress or "frog-marching" enemies, and defends far-right figures like Maxim Bernier amid white nationalist ties. The hosts critique his erratic behavior—blending conspiracy rants with personal struggles—as unprofessional, revealing a pattern of fringe advocacy and performative extremism that normalizes political violence and authoritarian fantasies. [Automatically generated summary]

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alex jones
infowars 18:30
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dan friesen
01:00:30
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jordan holmes
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Speaker Time Text
alex jones
Knowledge fight Dan and Jordan, I am sweating at knowledgeparty.com.
It's time to pray.
I have great respect for knowledge fight.
Knowledge fight.
unidentified
I'm sick of them posing as if they're the good guys saying we are the bad guys.
alex jones
Knowledge fight.
unidentified
Dan and Jordan.
Knowledge fight.
alex jones
Need fight, need money.
Red alert.
Andy in Kansas.
Andy and Candy.
Andy in Kansas.
Andy in Kansas.
unidentified
Andy.
alex jones
It's time to pray.
Andy in Kansas.
You're on the air, Place Rollers.
unidentified
Hello, Alex.
I'm a fixed time caller.
I'm a kid saying I love your room.
alex jones
Knowledge fight.
Knowledgefight.com.
I love you.
dan friesen
Hey, everybody.
Welcome back to Knowledge Fight.
I'm Dan.
We're a couple dudes.
Like to sit around, drink novelty beverages, and talk a little bit about Alex Jones.
jordan holmes
Indeed, we are, Dan.
dan friesen
Jordan.
alex jones
Dan.
dan friesen
Jordan.
jordan holmes
Have you ever won a trivia contest?
dan friesen
Yeah, I mean, bar trivia and some.
jordan holmes
Bar trivia.
unidentified
Have you ever had one that you were particularly proud of that you were like?
jordan holmes
This one was all me.
I had a team and they were fucking deadweight.
dan friesen
Not necessarily, but I can think of two instances that stick out.
One very shameful and then one that was a victory.
Okay.
The shameful one is I was out with old buddy Nate Burroughs and some our mutual friends.
We went to a trivia night and one of the questions was who was picked over Michael Jordan in the NBA draft?
And I had got it in my head, it's Len Bias.
Because I think I'd see like that after bias or whatever documentary, I was convinced.
I was incorrect.
jordan holmes
I was so sure.
dan friesen
That was not correct.
So that brought great shame to my family name, my surname.
jordan holmes
Yeah, well, naturally.
dan friesen
And then another time, my brother was in town, and we went to a trivia thing together.
I think also with Nate Burroughs.
He likes to go to trivia.
jordan holmes
Yeah, hey.
dan friesen
It's a fun thing to do.
But we went, and my brother is substantially smarter than me.
He knows way more than me about a broad range of topics.
Right.
Talking art, especially art stuff.
unidentified
Oh, well, yeah.
dan friesen
Aesthetic things, architecture, a lot of history.
He knows a lot.
And so he was getting almost all of these questions right.
Then there was a question about the book, The Picture of Dorian Gray.
alex jones
Okay.
jordan holmes
Oh, yeah.
dan friesen
And he thought the name.
jordan holmes
He stepped into your fucking wheelhouse.
dan friesen
Not really.
He still knows much more about literature.
But he thought the name of it was The Portrait of Dorian Gray.
But I knew it was the picture of Dorian Gray.
I was vindicated on that.
jordan holmes
Yes, yeah.
dan friesen
I don't know if we ended up winning trivia that night, but that was a big win to me.
I gotcha.
unidentified
It's the picture.
jordan holmes
It's the picture.
unidentified
Right.
dan friesen
So anyway, I know a lot about Oscar Wilde books.
jordan holmes
Or at least one thing.
dan friesen
I know the name of one of them.
Hey, and I also know a lot about Alex Jones.
unidentified
And I know a little bit about the first and nothing about the second.
dan friesen
Exactly.
So, Jordan, today we've got a very interesting episode ahead of us.
We are in the present day.
And I had intended to cover a number of episodes, but there's no real reason to.
We're just going over October 11th, 2019, which is last Friday's episode.
Okay.
There's some interesting stuff on here.
Alex is real weird.
I think he's hungover from the Trump rally.
unidentified
Right.
dan friesen
That's my theory.
jordan holmes
All right, okay.
dan friesen
Even though he wasn't there, he was probably sipping a few water.
jordan holmes
Having a joyful time.
dan friesen
Either that or he just didn't sleep or something.
I don't know.
He's in a fucked up space.
jordan holmes
Okay.
dan friesen
But we'll get to that in a moment.
jordan holmes
That means that we're going to get a TJ quote, right?
dan friesen
No, we don't get any Thomas Jefferson quotes, but we do get a retelling of what I would describe as a very popular folktale.
jordan holmes
A regular tale?
dan friesen
Okay.
So that brings me great joy.
Perfect.
Something else that brings me great joy is taking a little moment to say thank you to people who have signed up and are supporting the show.
So, first of all, John, thank you so much.
You're now a policy wonk.
alex jones
I'm a policy wonk.
dan friesen
Thank you, John.
No H on that job.
jordan holmes
We're getting a murder of John's these days.
dan friesen
It's true.
A jungle full of Johns.
Couldn't come up with another J word.
Thank you, a jalopy full of John.
Nope, not a J. Next.
What?
jordan holmes
Yeah, I'm just kidding.
dan friesen
Taylor, thank you so much.
You are now a policy wonk.
alex jones
I'm a policy wonk.
dan friesen
Thank you so much, Taylor.
Next, Nicola, thank you so much.
You are now a policy wonk.
alex jones
I'm a policy wonk.
dan friesen
Thank you so much, Nicola.
Next, Phosphor.
Thank you so much.
You are now a policy wonk.
alex jones
I'm a policy wonk.
dan friesen
Thank you, Phosphor.
Next, Andy.
Thank you so much.
You are now a policy wonk.
alex jones
I'm a policy wonk.
dan friesen
Thank you, Andy.
And finally, boingo, boingo, whoopsie knickers.
Thank you so much.
You are now a policy wonk.
alex jones
I'm a policy wonk.
jordan holmes
Thank you.
dan friesen
Thank you so much.
Boingo boingo, whoopsie New York Knickerbockers.
We appreciate it very much.
I'd also like to take a moment to say happy birthday out there to Crosby.
Your buddy Matt got in touch with me and wanted me to say thank you on Monday because your birthday was over the weekend, and I completely fucked that up.
Wow, yeah.
Super distracted by the Boston bombing stuff for our Monday episode.
jordan holmes
Right.
dan friesen
But I wanted to make it up for you.
Me and Jordan, we're going to harmonize.
We're going to sing happy birthday to you.
unidentified
We are absolutely not.
This is not a bad thing.
jordan holmes
This sets precedent.
unidentified
We already had a terrible idea of shouting out every fucking donator.
jordan holmes
Now, if we're starting to sing happy birthday for everyone who emails, we have enough listeners that we would have to do this every episode.
dan friesen
Well, Crosby, I wanted to sing.
Jordan won't let me, so happy birthday to you.
jordan holmes
You'll just have to rely on stills, Nash, and Young for the rest of your night.
dan friesen
Thank you so much for listening and enjoying the show.
jordan holmes
Yes, thank you very much.
dan friesen
And finally, we have to take a moment to address and say thank you to somebody else who has.
You know, we've had some technological issues on this show in the past.
We've lost some episodes to computer glitches and what have you.
And somebody noticed that.
And they went out of their way, went above and beyond in terms of supporting the show and helping us patch up some of these technological problems that we've been having.
And we'd like to take a moment to recognize and celebrate that and thank, show our appreciation, synonyms.
But there's only one thing that we can do, and that is bestow upon them their own special title among wonks, technocrats, raptor princesses.
And they have actually created their own title.
I have a very special drop for them.
So, Christy, thank you so much.
You are now officially the Black Dragon Queen.
That's a good site.
alex jones
I'm a policy wonk.
I'm not heterosexual.
I want to take care of my skin, damn it.
I'm as high as a kite.
This country's stupid.
I'm a really good guy.
They literally attack our testicles.
Hanging with the devil, man.
You know, it's fun.
Get down with Satan.
Whoa, yeah.
The queen just flipped her dictator switch.
dan friesen
Thank you so much, Christy.
jordan holmes
Thank you very much, Christy.
dan friesen
You are now the Black Dragon Queen.
jordan holmes
Do not flip your dictator switch.
Please do.
dan friesen
But thank you very much.
We appreciate your assistance and help.
It means a lot.
So, Jordan, we're going to get now into October 11th, which is an interesting episode in many ways.
Like I said, there's a retelling of a folk tale that I'm super excited for you to hear because it's weird.
But it also, there's a weird thing that's going on where we've seen Alex kind of getting more mad with Trump.
We've seen him having Joel Skousen on more regularly, who is himself quite a Trump critic.
jordan holmes
Right.
dan friesen
As much as he is fine with a lot of the things Trump is doing, he thinks that Trump's an idiot.
jordan holmes
Well, yeah.
dan friesen
He thinks that Trump is giving lip service to a lot of ideas that the anti-communists and weird extreme right-wingers and John Birch types were into, but Trump is too stupid to understand the geopolitical situation.
That's Skousen's take.
jordan holmes
Yeah, he's not far off.
dan friesen
Right.
If he was actually smart and knew what to do, I would love him.
jordan holmes
He prefers a competent fascist dictator.
I think that sounds right.
dan friesen
Yeah.
But those things, I think, are indications that we see that Alex is hedging a little bit.
He's trying to have a little bit of what he's doing accommodate the possibility of leaving Trump.
jordan holmes
Right, right, right.
dan friesen
And so when we start the show, we hear sort of those tones echoing in Alex's freestyle rhetoric.
unidentified
Don't waste it all my time.
alex jones
Donald Trump's not the same.
unidentified
Ooh.
alex jones
But an echo from the past.
A piece of Americana.
A lost relic.
But if we don't ourselves rediscover what made America great, and if we ourselves don't say no to the bullying and the control of the globalists, we're going to lose everything.
dan friesen
So you got him here saying, you know, Trump's not going to save us over a very poignant song.
alex jones
Yeah, yeah.
dan friesen
It seems a little on the nose.
unidentified
Yeah, it was almost a little too on the nose.
jordan holmes
Almost pre-planned.
dan friesen
Yeah, it does feel that way.
jordan holmes
Yeah, yeah, yeah.
dan friesen
Some of Alex's music choices are very incidental, but that one had the, like, it had an air of like he requested that because he's going to give a speech about how Trump's not going to save it.
jordan holmes
Exactly.
dan friesen
Yeah, yeah, yeah.
Oh, and that's possible.
jordan holmes
I don't know.
I think it's interesting because I feel like a lot more Republicans are having their disillusionment with Trump moment the same way we did with Obama, where it's like, oh, we thought you were this thing and you're doing this thing.
That really sucks.
dan friesen
Yeah, and you're going to hear a little bit more of that too.
And it's an interesting thing how that kind of is universal in some ways, the disillusionment.
Because, you know, you see that a little bit from people who believe stuff like the QAnon theory.
unidentified
Yeah.
dan friesen
Oh, this isn't going to happen.
jordan holmes
No, no, no, no.
dan friesen
And I think Alex is having a little bit of that moment, that like reality doesn't match up with the stories that I've been telling.
unidentified
Yeah, yeah, yeah.
dan friesen
And I need to find a way to still work this scam that I'm doing.
jordan holmes
I thought if we got this guy in, he would at least create an approximation of the reality of the stories that I'm telling you so I can kind of hammer it into people that it's like that.
dan friesen
And he does through his words, but not through the action.
unidentified
No.
dan friesen
I'm not getting the results that I need to validate the, like, he's our hero kind of thing.
So Pat Buchanan, who I had, I just thought was dead.
jordan holmes
I really thought he was dead.
dan friesen
I thought he died like.
jordan holmes
He's still around?
dan friesen
Yeah, I thought he died like six years ago.
jordan holmes
Why?
dan friesen
Yeah, maybe this is a Mandela effect situation.
jordan holmes
Does he know that he's still around?
dan friesen
Yeah.
jordan holmes
Doesn't he wake up every morning?
Like, really?
Again?
dan friesen
So Pat Buchanan has come out and written an op-ed, apparently, about how impeachment may be inevitable.
And Alex has some thoughts about this.
alex jones
Pat Buchanan has the article out from WorldEndAile.com.
Is impeachment now inevitable?
You look at it, you say the first whistleblower is a hoax, the second whistleblower is a hoax.
It's all hearsay garbage.
We have the transcript.
But then why do you smell blood in the wind?
I'll tell you why we smell blood in the wind.
It's because you can smell the piss in the wind.
dan friesen
Ah, that's why you can smell the piss.
jordan holmes
I'm going to need far more explanation for what that means.
dan friesen
It just means the globalists are pissing their pants because they're scared of that.
That's not good.
unidentified
No.
dan friesen
But yeah, the globalists are super afraid, and that's why there's fake whistleblowers who are coming out.
They're all hoaxes, yada, yada.
unidentified
Sure, sure.
jordan holmes
We have the transcripts, except we don't.
dan friesen
Right.
Furthermore, yada, It's very, very weak defense of a lot of this stuff.
But, I mean, what else are you going to do?
jordan holmes
Seeing all we are is piss in the wind?
dan friesen
All we are is piss.
I do.
It's one of the.
I mean, I'm only human.
But it's one of my failures as a critic that I love how Alex says piss.
unidentified
Really?
dan friesen
Yeah.
jordan holmes
I find it really gross.
I really find it disgusting.
dan friesen
He over-articulates the P. P.S.
jordan holmes
Yeah, no, I enjoyed it.
dan friesen
I don't know why.
No one could say piss like Alex.
jordan holmes
No, and repeating it or trying to makes me feel gross.
dan friesen
If that is the legacy of his career, I think he is.
He's done one good thing in his broadcast.
jordan holmes
You know, not all of us get to do that in our lives, Dan, and that's something to be proud of, I think.
Mispronouncing a word.
dan friesen
Yeah, absolutely.
It's not mispronouncing, it's over-pronouncing.
jordan holmes
It's put a little snake on it.
dan friesen
So, Jordan, early on in the episode, we get to this retelling of a classic folktale.
jordan holmes
John Henry.
dan friesen
No.
You want to keep guessing?
jordan holmes
I don't know.
Are we talking American folktale?
dan friesen
Yeah.
I think so.
I think so.
It might have some Brothers Grimm mystery behind it.
I don't know.
It's the three little pigs.
jordan holmes
Oh, okay.
dan friesen
So I'm just going to let this play.
Alex, this is where I started to think he might be hungover.
Okay.
You already heard those super long pauses that are just him trying to figure out what to do.
jordan holmes
He's got no momentum.
Everything is that gruff kind of distant speech.
dan friesen
Yeah, yeah, yeah.
But here, Alex, I think he starts by trying to tell the normal story of the three little pigs.
And then it gets into like maybe a sequel.
jordan holmes
Little pig went to the John Birch Society and really figured out this whole racism problem.
dan friesen
No, it's just weird.
This is just weird.
alex jones
And now the system looks at this big rotting facade, and Trump's there with confidence trying to prop it up, but that's not enough.
dan friesen
He's talking about the country.
alex jones
Sure.
And they decide that they can huff and they can puff and they can blow our house down.
In fact, this house of straw, the wolf doesn't even need to open the door or come down the chimney or blow it down.
Because if the three little pigs were inside and they had any baby piglets, they would go out and feed the wolf those piglets and say, eat our babies.
Just so you eat us later.
Heck, the wolf even lets them pretend they're wolves.
They kind of dress up in wolves' outfits and pull up.
He doesn't give them any of the flesh, but if he's full, he takes a dump.
Seriously, he needs help.
unidentified
He's the sailors.
alex jones
They do.
They pretend they're wolves.
And they lick the wolf's ass.
And then Wolf says, hey, have some more babies for me.
I want to eat those.
And they say, yes, a boss.
Because you see, they figured out the one way they're going to get to live is if they just keep having those babies for the wolf.
But see, the wolf figured out how to make babies without a mommy and a daddy.
dan friesen
So we're pretty far off track in terms of the story of the three little pigs.
jordan holmes
It's so fucking good.
That is amazing.
That is really amazing.
How do you turn the three little pigs into a story about the pigs being willing to sacrifice their babies to wolves?
dan friesen
The wolf is the globalist.
jordan holmes
Right, no, I get that.
dan friesen
Okay, just making sure you picked up on the very subtle.
jordan holmes
I got that.
dan friesen
Okay.
I got that.
jordan holmes
It's just like, you could have gone anywhere with that.
dan friesen
Yeah.
Oh, man.
I mean, the wolves got to take a dump.
The three little pigs absolutely didn't give their babies up to the wolf.
jordan holmes
I don't believe that they had babies.
I'm fairly certain.
dan friesen
They all also weren't in the same house.
unidentified
No, they had famously, that was the point of the story.
dan friesen
Also, I mean, I guess the, you know, the way that you could extend this to the real world is like, we should have made our house out of bricks then.
unidentified
Yeah, yeah.
Because that's the point instead of giving the wolves our babies.
dan friesen
The lesson of the three little pigs.
So anyway, this goes on.
And Alex gets to talking about how the wolf who has allowed these pigs to dress like the wolf and feed their babies.
jordan holmes
Oh, he's still going?
dan friesen
Yeah, it goes on.
jordan holmes
That can't be.
dan friesen
So the wolf resents the pigs for allowing him to treat them like this.
jordan holmes
So now in this retelling, the wolf has very complicated motivations behind everything.
Gotcha.
dan friesen
Okay.
I thought he just wanted to eat pigs.
That's at the core of it.
unidentified
Right.
dan friesen
But additionally, the wolf resents the pigs for not being strong enough to stand up to it.
jordan holmes
Naturally.
dan friesen
It makes sense.
jordan holmes
We had a higher class of pig in this town.
dan friesen
Yeah.
alex jones
So the pig's sitting there thinking he's a wolf, and the wolf's sitting there picking his teeth with a toothpick.
And he says, you know what?
I really hate your guts, pig.
You sold out your own kind.
When I'm done with all of them, I'm going to slowly tear you inside out.
How's that sound there?
Because it's all about conquering you little pigs.
And you know, the truth is, if you were wild boars, wolves run from wild boars because wild boars are in packs.
And if the pigs ever act like boars, it'd be over for the wolves real quick.
dan friesen
Got to pause real quick.
If the pigs weren't pigs, then this would be going different.
jordan holmes
Yeah, yeah, yeah.
unidentified
Great.
jordan holmes
Yes, you nailed it.
dan friesen
Great.
Good solution.
alex jones
See, people think having yellow bellies gets them ahead.
And you know what?
When there's not enough men to stand up, I guess it's true.
Be a yellow belly.
Pretend you're a wolf when you know you're not.
But see, some of us are going to be not sheep, not pigs, not wolves, but sheepdogs.
And we like a good fight.
And in the end, we're going to win.
But I just want all of you out there thinking that you're safe.
Kissing that wolf's stinking ass to know.
You damn fools.
Got a big broadcast lined up.
You want to stay with us?
jordan holmes
Really?
dan friesen
Yeah.
jordan holmes
Really?
You're doing that at the end of that.
dan friesen
Yeah, that's pretty pretty spectacular.
jordan holmes
Oh, boy.
dan friesen
I love the idea of Alex being mad about drag queen story time, and then he tells that as like a child's story.
jordan holmes
Yeah, that's bananas.
dan friesen
It's all about anolingus that's being gone by these pigs on the wolf.
jordan holmes
It reminds me so much of Patton Oswald's bit about being afraid he'll do LSD in front of his daughter, and he'll be down there and he's like, are you eating lucky charms?
Let me tell you the real story about lucky charms, okay?
Now, the grainy pieces are good for you, but they're shaped like crosses and ichthos symbols.
unidentified
The traditional Christian vibe.
dan friesen
Yeah, this is stupid.
jordan holmes
Navel-gazing weirdness.
dan friesen
So, also, what Alex is doing there at the end of this completely unhinged diatribe is he's weaving together something cribbed from the story of the three little pigs and a little bit from the movie American Sniper.
In the movie, Chris Kyle's character gives a speech about how in life there are three kinds of people: there's sheep, wolves, and sheepdogs.
The normal people who have no capacity for violence are sheep.
The people who can be violent but hate others are the wolves.
And the people who can be violent but love everyone are sheepdogs.
It's a woefully simplistic reduction of people's alignments and how violence works in society.
But it was a scene that became very, very popular, particularly in gun advocacy communities.
Basically, they used it as a way to frame their need for guns.
It's so they can be sheepdogs that protect all the rest of the sheep, like us from the wolves.
jordan holmes
Yeah, no, it makes perfect sense.
dan friesen
Yeah.
jordan holmes
Good guy with a gun.
Sure.
But instead, let's make it an animal metaphor and then the little pigs will feed us their babies.
dan friesen
And the fact that Alex works in I'm going to be a sheepdog at the end gives me, and because it sort of tracks with the theme of that whole retelling of the three little pigs, I'm pretty sure he just watched American Sniper recently.
jordan holmes
Okay.
dan friesen
But that speech in American Sniper itself was stolen from a book called On Combat, written in 2004 by Lieutenant Colonel David Grossman.
And it's a complete pile of violence-justifying bullshit.
Yeah.
It's nonsense.
jordan holmes
That sounds right.
dan friesen
Honestly, when I was listening to this, I was worried for Alex's mental state as this episode is getting going.
He sounds completely fucked up.
He's indicating that Trump isn't going to save us.
Then he's rambling his way through a gritty reboot of this folk tale.
Yeah, yeah, yeah.
Like, so he should have called in sick.
Someone, for sure.
Anybody who cares about him at all, like, if he's acting like this, you got to get him some help.
Like, I don't know if it's booze or anything, but, like, you're a lunatic.
jordan holmes
Yeah, no, that's, that's.
I can't.
I really have a hard time believing that that is actually broadcast on anything.
Well, it's.
Like, that is.
dan friesen
Yeah.
jordan holmes
That is so beyond.
How could you listen to that and be like, well, this guy's okay.
dan friesen
Yeah.
jordan holmes
Right?
That's insane.
dan friesen
Yeah.
Yeah.
And it's, I understand when it's super profitable.
Like, I understand when all the money's coming in and everything's good.
Like, you make excuses.
Like, yeah, look, he's clearly struggling out there, but we got another boat.
So it's awesome.
It's a great trade-off.
jordan holmes
Ride that horse till it dies.
dan friesen
Yeah.
Now, I just think, like, you got to stop kidding yourself that this is going to come in.
jordan holmes
Yeah, yeah, yeah.
dan friesen
Like, he needs help.
The only trajectory is further downward.
If anybody cared about him in his life, they would step in and be like, you know, this keeps going further down.
unidentified
Yeah.
dan friesen
This path doesn't, like, all of a sudden, let's say in six months, it's like, oh, what do you know?
Alex is a billionaire now and everyone loves him.
It doesn't go that way.
It's not.
jordan holmes
Facebook's never letting you back on.
dan friesen
Right.
jordan holmes
It's never happening.
dan friesen
And even if it does, that's still going to be diminishing returns.
It's still like, I just, I don't know.
Someone needs to really check in.
Because he's also indicating pretty regular breaks with reality.
And like how many of them are actually sincere and how many are just like him talking shit.
It's really hard to say.
But if you take any of the things he's saying seriously, he is a man who's living in a state where he's having a difficult time differentiating between reality and his own fantasies, delusions, as pretty well transmitted in this next clip.
He's talking about how people who politically disagree with him and have decided that they're evil, right?
They're not possessed by demons so much as they become an empty vessel that demons just can jump into, like in the Matrix.
jordan holmes
I mean, I can't disprove that.
Okay.
So I think I would like a little bit more from him on why.
So I'm looking forward to this.
dan friesen
I'm not sure you're going to get it.
unidentified
But here's what he has to say: the lights are on, but nobody's home.
alex jones
See, that's not quite right.
Lights are on.
Somebody else is home.
And just exactly who is that?
Just exactly what is that?
dan friesen
It's the devil.
Spoiler.
jordan holmes
Well, yeah, obviously.
unidentified
It's a transmission from the devil.
Yeah.
alex jones
In fact, most of these people you call possessed, all right?
It's not even an entity.
I'm studying it very closely.
Most of them, it's actually a transmission.
That's why you can go from one block to another block in places like Seattle and San Francisco.
I've seen it.
And the first time I saw it, I was like, stepped back and stumbled.
I went, what?
I saw that in the Matrix.
I didn't know that was real.
Ragent Smith jumping the person.
That's the only actor.
Neo and Morpheus jumps in a cop, jumps in a woman, jumps in a cab driver.
No matter where he goes, it just jumps another person.
You know, there's a maid cleaning, jumps into them, and then you shove aside.
The consciousness is there because it's turned itself over and it just jumps, jumps, jumps.
I was in Seattle.
jordan holmes
Oh, yeah.
unidentified
There's a lot of it on tank.
alex jones
There were a lot of feeds down there.
People are throwing coffee on me, screaming at me, yelling at me.
And I'd go around one block, and somebody talking like a demon.
And then I'd walk around another block and they'd go, yeah, I saw you over there.
Yeah, yep, yep, it's me.
I'm going to get you.
I mean, and you're like, whoa, like, what is that?
It's just a transmission.
And if you could figure it out where it's coming from or how to block it, you'd save the planet.
dan friesen
What the fuck is he?
Like, he's talked about this sort of thing repeatedly.
It's not just his trip to Seattle.
He said stuff about being in the grocery store and people just turn into demons around him.
Like, I don't know if he's sincere about that or if he's talking shit.
If he's sincere and he actually is experiencing that, he needs to go to a hospital.
unidentified
Yeah.
dan friesen
That is insane.
That is a very serious mental condition that he's probably struggling with.
And if he's lying about it, then what he's doing is normalizing the experience that someone might have if they're having, let's say, a break with reality.
He's saying, no, no, no, it's real.
It's demons.
Let's say you're a listener who's listening to this show and maybe you're experiencing something like that.
You're having hallucinations, auditory or visual or whatever.
Alex is like, no, that's demons.
That's a transmission from another.
How are you going to take that?
Are you going to take that with like, oh, I should probably go get my meds checked out or I should go get help?
unidentified
No, you're going to be like, there's fucking demons all around me.
dan friesen
I better do something about it.
jordan holmes
Yeah, yeah, yeah.
Either way, he's dangerous.
dan friesen
Even if you don't, like.
jordan holmes
Even if he's not lying, he's still normalizing mental illness.
dan friesen
Yeah, totally.
jordan holmes
Or not the mental illness, the destructive parts of it.
dan friesen
These sort of dangerous side effects and symptoms that people can be experiencing.
And even if the people who are experiencing those things, who Alex turns into proof of his conspiracies, you know, like these symptoms are proof of his conspiracy.
Even if they don't act out and go and commit violent acts or anything, it's still keeping them from getting the help they need.
It's still hurting them.
And even that alone, even if they don't act out against any of these people who they've now determined to be demons, it's still Alex is severely hurting the people listening to him.
jordan holmes
Yeah.
dan friesen
And I don't know which of those I think is worse, which option, like Alex actually experiencing these things or just talking shit in such a way that normalizes.
And normalize isn't the right word.
jordan holmes
Well, I think I don't think it really changes anything either way.
I think either way he needs to be in a hospital.
dan friesen
Yeah.
jordan holmes
Because if he's actually experiencing these things, then he needs to be in a hospital because that is a symptom of a very serious issue.
And if he's not experiencing these things, he needs to be in a hospital.
Because why are you pretending like you're experiencing these things?
That is its own set of mistakes.
dan friesen
Now you've reached the catch-22 level of he's fucked.
He needs help.
jordan holmes
He needs help.
dan friesen
Yeah.
So at this point in the episode, we're about half an hour in or so, and we've got the.
jordan holmes
He's done this tone of voice the entire time.
dan friesen
Not the whole time, but most of it.
jordan holmes
This defeated, introspective, rambling, nonsensical, really wonka of ridiculous sadness.
dan friesen
He has some moments of flourish a little bit when he's talking about his sales.
But yeah, there's not.
It's pretty.
It's a pretty fucked up intro to the episode.
Trump's not going to save us.
Let me tell you about these pigs and the wolf eating ass.
jordan holmes
Right.
dan friesen
That, you know, I see crazy hallucinations of demons coming to chase me and jumping in and out of people's bodies.
jordan holmes
I've been studying the transmissions of the devil, and it turns out that I watched The Matrix and I was like, oh, I didn't know that was real.
Because I watched The Matrix.
dan friesen
Last night I drank a bottle of cough syrup and flipped between American Sniper and The Matrix.
And here's what happened.
jordan holmes
I was hanging out with Lil Wayne and shit got a little wild.
dan friesen
So this clip sounds even weirder, knowing that this is what we've been doing for the beginning of this episode.
alex jones
Now, I've already talked to Big Picture earlier in the last 30 minutes of transmission, so let me get into them.
On the ground, effects of the rise of evil on a planetary scale and the economic, cultural, spiritual weather report as we enter much, much more dangerous seas.
You think these 20-foot waves are big?
Waves coming are going to be 100 feet tall, 1,000 feet tall.
And then very quickly, mass insanity is going to set in.
And you're going to see mass suicides and people trampling each other by the millions and nuclear reactors melting down and exploding and huge wars starting.
General insanity breaking out.
You think you've seen something so far?
We are living in the millisecond as the King Cobra strikes and sinks its fans into our thigh.
dan friesen
I served under General Insanity.
jordan holmes
You know?
I'm going to say the thing that he most reminds me of right now is Charles Manson.
This is straight out of Charles Manson.
dan friesen
It does have a similar feel to it.
jordan holmes
He's just not providing underage girls to Dennis Wilson, and I think that's the only difference right now I can see.
dan friesen
Yeah, I mean, it's cult leadership.
It's extreme.
It's but it's also uninspired and lackadaisically delivered.
jordan holmes
Yeah, like Charles Manson.
dan friesen
I guess I haven't listened to a ton of Charles Manson's speeches.
jordan holmes
Yeah, they're pretty great.
Okay.
dan friesen
Maybe we'll do one for a Wacky Wednesday.
Yeah, I just hear real trouble.
That's one of the reasons why the present day also isn't super compelling to me.
I just see somebody who someone should be helping.
And everyone around him is negligent for whatever reason.
Some people probably out of fear of his reaction, which I can understand.
jordan holmes
Which would be terrifying.
dan friesen
Sure.
He seems like a super angry dude who is resistant to people getting help, him help.
I imagine someone saying you need to go talk to somebody would be taken as you're working for the globalists.
jordan holmes
Well, not just that, but if not just the you're working for the globalists, but also a terrible insult.
Like, are you telling me that I'm not man enough to be in perfect mental health condition?
unidentified
It's enough for any weakness.
dan friesen
So there's that, or possibly people who work with him who don't care, or people who are able to convince themselves that, like, it's an act, he's just doing this for ratings or whatever.
You know, like, and as I think, I think I agree with you that, like, even if he is just pretending to be this crazy, yeah, that isn't something that's a problem, or something that he's clearly wrestling with.
unidentified
Yeah, yeah, yeah.
dan friesen
I don't know.
jordan holmes
I just, it's like he's got Munchhausen's, like, he's he aspires to Munchausen's disease, something like that.
dan friesen
I mostly see a problem that isn't all that interesting to me that could be solved if anyone cared.
And the part of it that's not that interesting to me is like all of this stuff that most of his narratives all just double back into like stuff that we could cover and discuss more interestingly in other times or even have already.
unidentified
Yeah, yeah, yeah.
dan friesen
You know, just like this racist shit, this anti-communist nonsense, this everyone's the devil.
Like, it's, I don't know.
It leaves me searching for things like the folktale Three Little Pigs stuff.
Oh, man.
Because otherwise, that's so wild.
Otherwise, there's like he's just phoning it in and boring as shit.
jordan holmes
I, I, I, I am like that three little pigs thing is so wild.
I'm still struggling to comprehend that it's real.
Like, when you brought it up again, I was like, yeah, but did that really happen?
Like, that's so ridiculous.
dan friesen
See, the pigs they drink the wolf's piss.
Yes.
jordan holmes
What?
unidentified
Like, what?
dan friesen
What?
unidentified
What?
jordan holmes
And also, how are you still going?
dan friesen
Yeah.
jordan holmes
How are you still going?
The three little pigs is a very short story.
Either you don't understand or you are rewriting it.
dan friesen
It also worries me how he explains these stories to his kids.
jordan holmes
Yeah, for sure.
dan friesen
Just imagine.
Because there are really just basic life lessons that are conveyed through these folk stories, which is their function inside.
jordan holmes
Now, the first little pig built his house out of straw.
Now, the reason you don't build your house out of straw is because then you're going to have to eat the wolf's ass.
dan friesen
I wonder.
jordan holmes
Next.
And he huffs and he puffs and he you eat his ass.
That's what happens.
And then you have to drink his piss.
dan friesen
And he's a globalist.
jordan holmes
And he's going.
Yeah.
Well, it ends there.
dan friesen
Yeah.
So at the end of that last clip, he talked about how the venom, the fangs of the Cobra are coming into us.
And so Alex rambles about that for a little bit, and then we realize that he forgot to turn off the ringer on his phone.
alex jones
The initial sting is only the beginning.
But remember, for every action, there's an equal and opposite reaction.
unidentified
Cool.
dan friesen
So then he just rambles a bit about that while like who is it?
jordan holmes
Is that anybody important?
Nope.
dan friesen
So it's good that along the way with this complete nonsensical, unhinged, ridiculous stuff, content that he's doing, he's also forgetting to turn off his ringer before he starts.
jordan holmes
That's so fun.
dan friesen
So you get now back to this light criticism of Trump.
And I think, you know, this is at least interesting because there's a storyline through Alex's experience with Trump.
jordan holmes
Yeah.
dan friesen
And at least that's something to follow.
And it turns out that Alex has some criticisms, but it mostly comes from a place where he's worried that if Trump doesn't do the right thing, he will summon literal demons.
jordan holmes
Oh, that'll happen.
alex jones
Pat Buchanan's saying, is impeachment inevitable?
And while a lot of folks are saying that Trump could be impeached and then even removed, it doesn't matter that he hasn't done anything wrong.
Not committing a crime isn't enough.
Standing up to the deep state triggered their wrath.
And so now, if Trump doesn't go after them and it doesn't find the people that will prosecute them, then he's summoned the demon without knowing how to control it and is going to be eaten along with the rest of us, at least in this face.
And that's really where the criticism of Trump comes in.
dan friesen
Oh, that's where it comes in?
jordan holmes
All right, here we go.
Here we go.
This is further evidence that he is a Satanist.
Trump, in his conception, literally summoned a demon and just doesn't know how to control it.
dan friesen
Right.
And that makes Lovecraft's The Case of Charles Dexter Ward.
jordan holmes
Right, right, right.
dan friesen
Which is all about that.
Don't summon that which you can't bring back down.
Whatever.
Yeah, yeah, yeah.
And yeah, I don't.
jordan holmes
That is a lesson that you could have learned if you'd properly told the story of the three little pigs.
dan friesen
I'll tell you that right now.
When you have, like, that's where your criticism starts, or that's where it comes from, your criticism isn't coming from a sincere place.
You're just a lunatic.
jordan holmes
No, I think I did read Nancy Pelosi ad into the Articles of Impeachment that summoned a literal demon and could not control it anymore.
dan friesen
Now, if he could control it, this would not be an impeachable offense.
unidentified
Yeah, no, of course.
dan friesen
It'd not be a high crime or mystery.
jordan holmes
It would be a very strong demon.
We couldn't fight against it.
dan friesen
No.
So there's stuff like that that's kind of interesting to keep track of.
And let me be totally clear.
There are things that are going to come up over the course of this episode that I think are still worth our attention and being like, here's what's being said.
That kind of thing.
But in terms of my intellectual curiosities, there's much less to like, I get really excited going back through the 2013 stuff because there's so much to dig into.
How does this work?
The propaganda and all this is very simplistic in the present day.
It's not even that complicated.
jordan holmes
You don't want to put out lines on what specific demon he may have summoned.
dan friesen
I mean, sure.
It could be Azathoth.
jordan holmes
See, now I was thinking Azrael.
dan friesen
Could be Zelototh.
jordan holmes
Could be.
Could be one of the classics.
Be Elzebub, of course.
dan friesen
Taturga.
jordan holmes
Terturga.
dan friesen
Could be Taturga.
jordan holmes
It can't be Turturga.
dan friesen
Could be Manturoka.
jordan holmes
You know what?
That might be why he can't control it.
He can't pronounce the name properly.
dan friesen
Taturga.
jordan holmes
Everybody knows this.
dan friesen
This is all I've just been doing eternal darkness references for two days now.
Yeah, I love that game.
So Alex's main gripe, even though he's saying that Trump put up a demon that he can't put down, all this dumb bullshit.
His main gripe is that Trump isn't taking action on censorship, which again, we know James likes to be out of Facebook.
So he's complaining about somebody else getting kicked off Facebook.
And man, all they do is just broadcast Trump's speeches.
alex jones
And if Brad Parcells knows everything about the internet, then he knows how millions and millions of people have been persecuted and attacked and shut down for supporting the president.
He knows how right-side broadcasts him.
He does nothing but show the president's speeches has been banned on Facebook.
And now this is an absolute tyranny.
dan friesen
This also is after Alex complains about Brad Parscal getting asked on a video what he thinks about Alex Jones being kicked off Facebook and all this.
And he's like, who's Alex Jones?
jordan holmes
Nice.
dan friesen
And Alex is like, he's like, I'm not mad about that.
I'm not mad about that.
jordan holmes
Furious about it.
dan friesen
He's very mad about that.
jordan holmes
He's furious about it.
What do you mean he's not mad about that?
dan friesen
So Alex is going to bat for right-side broadcasting.
All they do is air Trump speeches.
jordan holmes
Yeah, but that's hate speech.
dan friesen
Well, that wouldn't be enough to get them kicked off Facebook.
jordan holmes
Naturally.
Even though it should be.
dan friesen
But that's all they do, man, and that's tyranny.
jordan holmes
So I assume that that's all they do.
dan friesen
So he's saying they're getting kicked off Facebook.
It's almost like Facebook saying that the President of the United States can't have their own speeches on Facebook.
unidentified
I really don't think that's a good idea.
dan friesen
That's tyranny.
There's a little bit about Rightside Broadcasting that Alex is conveniently leaving out of his characterization of them that would go a long way towards explaining why they might not be allowed on Facebook.
In 2017, Rightside Broadcasting hired Joey Salads, a YouTube figure who's mostly known for two things.
jordan holmes
Salads.
dan friesen
Nope.
Oh.
The first thing is that he possibly recorded himself peeing in his own mouth for a stunt video of some sort.
jordan holmes
I mean, like, I don't even want to get into the specifics, but I assume from an angular...
dan friesen
He claims he didn't swallow.
On Twitter is...
jordan holmes
Well, no, I think I'm disappointed.
That's not what I paid to see.
dan friesen
Lack of commitment.
jordan holmes
That's not what I paid to see, dude.
unidentified
Right.
dan friesen
The second thing he's known for is a series of videos that he made that were purporting to show that black men were violent towards Trump supporters.
One of the more egregious examples of this was a video where he claimed he was setting up a camera on a car that had Trump stickers on it in a black neighborhood and just seeing what happened to it.
So a group of young black men come and they destroy the car and tear the Trump stickers off and what have you.
And Joey presented that as proof that that's just how black people act.
jordan holmes
And he peed in his mouth.
dan friesen
Saying, quote, as you can see from this video, the black community is very violent towards Trump and his supporters.
That video hit a million views within hours.
jordan holmes
This is a guy who peed in his own mouth!
dan friesen
Largely driven by traffic that he got from it being reposted on Drudge.
unidentified
Sure.
dan friesen
Unfortunately for Joey, someone in the neighborhood where he was shooting this video caught some footage of their own, namely footage of the black men waiting around behind a camera tripod while Joey delivered his lines to the camera.
The entire video was a racist hoax, designed to justify Trump supporters' victimization narratives and their deep racism.
Knowing that he was caught, Joey tried to make excuses, but then he ended up having to apologize.
And he said, quote, I thought I could get away with it, but I didn't.
This isn't even close to the only fake race baiting video he's put out.
He's a complete piece of shit.
And if rightside broadcasting would even consider hiring him in 2017, which is after he did that car hoax, they know what they're doing.
jordan holmes
Well, yeah.
dan friesen
Also, side note, Joey Salads is currently running as a Republican for the New York 11th District Congressional seat.
unidentified
Pee in everybody's mouth!
dan friesen
So they hired that dude.
That's not just airing Trump speeches.
That's hiring a known racist propaganda.
unidentified
Yeah, yeah, yeah.
jordan holmes
You know what you're getting in.
dan friesen
And it's not an isolated incident.
They also hired Nick Fuentes, a very young, very stupid white supremacist.
Imagine any neo-Nazi-leaning white nationalist position a person could hold, and you can kind of imagine what that dude is all about.
Of course, he denies all those labels and just thinks of himself as a guy who loves America and knows it's all about white people.
He's terrible.
jordan holmes
Well, that's not good.
dan friesen
Fuentes' time at the network was short, however, because in August 2017, he got sacked after he went on an on-air rant about how the Constitution doesn't apply to Muslims and immigrants and said, quote, who runs the media?
Globalists.
Time to kill the globalists.
unidentified
Okay.
dan friesen
I do not want to not watch CNN.
I don't want CNN to go out of business.
I don't want CNN to be more honest.
I want people that run CNN to be arrested and deported or hanged.
So that's just airing Trump speeches.
jordan holmes
All right.
I will say this.
That is a hot take.
I'm going to give him that.
dan friesen
The network also ran shows hosted by Mike Cernovich and former InfoWars reporter Rambo Joe Pizzagate Biggs.
unidentified
Sure.
dan friesen
Oh, but I forgot.
According to Alex, all they do is air the president's speeches.
Also, I literally just went to their Facebook page and it's still there with 273,000 followers and one of those little verification badges.
So they're a verified page.
They haven't been kicked off Facebook at all.
jordan holmes
They haven't been kicked off Facebook?
dan friesen
This is a lie on top of a lie.
jordan holmes
Why are they doing this then?
dan friesen
Why is Alex doing it?
jordan holmes
Yeah.
dan friesen
Because he wants to defend the narrative of conservative victimhood.
jordan holmes
I hate these people.
dan friesen
This is all just pathetic and transparent bullshit.
Like he's lying about what this network is in order to make it like, hey, they're just broadcast Trump speeches.
And then he's lying about them getting kicked off Facebook.
It's very publicly available.
It's right there.
jordan holmes
Have you ever heard the phrase hat on a hat?
dan friesen
Yes, it's that.
It's that.
But for white victimhood.
unidentified
Yeah.
dan friesen
Yeah.
jordan holmes
So a hood on a hood.
dan friesen
Right.
unidentified
All right.
dan friesen
That's a good way to do that.
jordan holmes
All right, there we go.
dan friesen
So Alex gets on to talking about Beto, Beto O'Rourke.
Sure.
jordan holmes
Are we still doing that?
dan friesen
Yeah.
Beto said some stuff about how church, there was that LGBTQ debate.
unidentified
Yes.
dan friesen
And he indicated that churches that are against gay marriage shouldn't have 501c3 status.
unidentified
What if he argued that no church should have 501c3 status?
dan friesen
I think Alex might be okay with that, but he still wants some tax exemption.
jordan holmes
No, of course.
dan friesen
He just doesn't want the other part of it.
Anyway, Alex is mad about this.
He yells about how Beto's a mouthpiece of the globalists.
unidentified
Sure.
dan friesen
And then he lies about something Trump claims he did.
alex jones
So when Beto gets up there looking like it from the Adams family, all crazy, he's speechless.
He's not from this globalist system.
He's just a mouth.
He's a tentacle.
You can laugh at him all day, but he means business when he says we're going to take your guns and we're going to take your speech and we're going to go in and take control of the churches.
The churches got tricked in the 50s into being 501c3.
Oh, you're still tax exempt.
Sign these forms.
You're no longer a church.
You're now a charity.
Now they come in with regulations.
Well, Trump removes those regulations.
One of the best things he did, saying those are unconstitutional.
But he already had the First Amendment saying it to begin with.
dan friesen
You're right.
That wasn't it.
It's the hairy guy.
alex jones
Yeah.
jordan holmes
Was he trying to talk?
Was he trying to.
Maybe he goes.
dan friesen
Maybe.
I thought it was the guy who puts the light bulbs in his mouth.
jordan holmes
Yeah, no, that's Fester.
Or Christopher Lloyd.
dan friesen
Yeah.
He clearly watched a couple movies, and Adams family wasn't one of them.
jordan holmes
Yeah, yeah.
dan friesen
So got that reference wrong.
So there's an essential misunderstanding that Alex has about the rules for churches and other charitable organizations that get to enjoy a tax-exempt status, which were all laid out in what's known as the Johnson Amendment.
He thinks that the rules say that churches can't talk at all about politics or social issues.
But that is not and has never been the rule.
The amendment is specifically about these sorts of organizations engaging in partisan political activity.
If a church is against abortion, they can be against abortion.
They just can't use their church to support a specific anti-abortion candidate or attack a pro-abortion candidate or replace candidate with measure or whatever.
They can't use it for political advocacy.
jordan holmes
And thank God that is strictly enforced.
alex jones
Right.
dan friesen
That's the other thing.
Yeah.
This isn't a rule that's ever been enforced very strongly, pretty much ever.
I would venture to guess that many of the people listening to this show and the two people who have mics in their hands right now have been to a church where partisan politics have been engaged in.
unidentified
Yup.
dan friesen
Small instances of it are just kind of ignored by the IRS because they know that strict enforcement of this rule is way more trouble than it's worth.
jordan holmes
Oh, man.
dan friesen
It's an important rule to be in place, though, so they can go after organizations that try to exploit tax exemption to create political machines and that kind of thing.
It is important to be there even if they're never enforcing it in practice.
Churches legitimately almost never get in trouble for Johnson amendment violations.
On May 4th, 2017, Trump signed an executive order saying that the Secretary of the Treasury shouldn't really enforce the 501c3 rules, which most experts agree is really just a symbolic act, and it's more just pandering to his base.
jordan holmes
Oh, he would never do that, though.
dan friesen
Even the ACLU said it, quote, had no discernible policy outcome.
Of course, after Trump signed the order, he started running around bragging about getting rid of the Johnson Amendment, which he didn't do and couldn't do even if he wanted to.
It's a load of performative bullshit.
And naturally, Alex thinks it's real.
But the thing that I find interesting is that in that clip, Alex said it's one of the best things Trump's done while he's in office, which is damning that dude with faint praise.
jordan holmes
No.
dan friesen
The best thing he did was pander.
jordan holmes
I think the best thing he did was nothing.
That's oh man, of course.
dan friesen
Back to the wall.
jordan holmes
It's such reality.
dan friesen
That's the best thing he did.
jordan holmes
Such reality TV show president.
That's what we have.
He's creating a narrative so he can sell it.
dan friesen
Which kind of makes sense, I guess.
No, of course.
So anyway, he gets to yelling more about Beto, and this is stupid.
alex jones
So, Betro Rort, I played it last hour, says, let's take away the tax exemption of any church that doesn't accept bestiality, pedophilia, all of it.
jordan holmes
He did say that.
alex jones
Well, you can't do that.
That's the First Amendment.
The government has no jurisdiction.
But the churches are run by the Ecumenical World Council of Churches that teaches them they have no rights.
And so until we take our churches back, it's over.
jordan holmes
Make churches great again.
unidentified
Yeah.
dan friesen
I don't know why Alex would even think that a church can't speak out against a bestiality.
Yeah.
unidentified
Like, what do you, why?
dan friesen
Is that even up for debate in the political sphere?
jordan holmes
That's a good question.
dan friesen
Would that somehow be considered a partisan politics?
jordan holmes
I think so.
I think so.
I think it's long been a policy goal of specifically independence for some reason, bring bestiality back.
I don't know why it needs to come back.
I don't know why it was there in the first place.
dan friesen
Sure.
jordan holmes
But independence, 98% of them in every poll.
0% Democrat, 0% Republican, 98% of the people.
dan friesen
That is such nonsense.
I imagine this fantasy scenario Alex is painting where the IRS goes after a church because they're against bestiality.
Can you even imagine what that would look like in the real world?
jordan holmes
A fun day.
That would be a day.
dan friesen
A distraction.
jordan holmes
That would be a whole man.
Twitter would love that for a day.
dan friesen
Yeah.
So we talked about this or touched on it a tiny bit earlier.
There's that sort of like disillusionment moment where you have to peer through the clouds and see like, yeah, what I wanted is probably not happening.
jordan holmes
You see what you actually bought.
dan friesen
And I think that these next couple of clips really get to the heart of that for Alex.
alex jones
People are tired of hearing about how Trump's going to have the deep state indicted.
We just saw these two.
Nobody's.
Trump, Ukraine with tenuous connections to Giuliani, indicted on campaign finance fraud.
And now they're claiming they've got Congressman One who got money from them from a pack which is totally legal.
So the threats are going on big time behind the scenes.
And if Trump doesn't start executing his power, he will be taken down.
dan friesen
Tenuous connections to Giuliani.
Just today, as we're recording this, Reuters came out with a headline, exclusive.
Trump's lawyer Giuliani was paid $500,000 to consult on indicted associates' firm.
Tenuous, tenuous connections.
jordan holmes
Wow, I mean, that's, look, you know, a gig's a gig.
In today's gig economy, you know, it was either drive Uber or more money than I've probably made maybe in my life.
Yeah, no, yeah, absolutely.
dan friesen
Yeah, tenuous ass connections, though.
No, nothing to see here.
No worries.
Don't worry about it.
jordan holmes
Oh, boy.
I find Giuliani to be some sort of weird court jester now.
Like, hasn't he become something of a mascot where they trot him out like a marionette and he says all kinds of weird things and everybody's like, he's going to get you guys killed.
Why are you still doing this?
And Trump is like, he makes me laugh.
dan friesen
I don't fucking know.
I think the most important thing in that clip, though, because all that minimizing is exactly what you'd expect from Alex.
jordan holmes
It's all just like, blah, Shouldn't have to say something's totally legal.
dan friesen
Well, he always does that.
Legally, lawful action.
jordan holmes
Right, right.
dan friesen
Don't do anything illegal if you have to say it.
Yeah, bad sign.
I think that the thing is, like, Alex started that clip saying, everyone's tired of hearing people say that Trump's going to indict the deep state.
You know who says that all the time?
jordan holmes
He does.
dan friesen
You, you, Alex.
jordan holmes
For several years.
dan friesen
You're now saying that everyone's tired of the line that I've been feeding them, which is probably accurate.
jordan holmes
I bet he's sure he got a few emails.
unidentified
Yeah.
Yeah.
dan friesen
And so now I think it's time to pivot.
And I think you start to see the early signs of it.
Now, how far he's going to go with it, how much he's going to tend to this plant as it grows, I have no fucking idea.
But I see this as planting seeds.
alex jones
I care about the president so much, and I care about my own fate and my children's fate even more, that I'm very upset with the president.
I don't want to hear from any of the administration that it's two weeks till people are indicted anymore.
I want to see indictments.
And I want to see deep staters frog-marched out right now.
dan friesen
Now, that's not going to happen.
No.
And he knows that.
Yeah.
So that frees him up to be like, I put it on the line.
I said, I'm tired of hearing this talk.
I want to see action.
And when the action doesn't come, you'll be like, I love what the president stands for.
He's a relic of Americana or whatever the fuck masculinity nonsense ideas I have.
And you know what?
It just didn't come through.
It didn't happen.
We got to save ourselves.
Said it at the top of the show.
jordan holmes
Right.
On the scale of zero to one, exactly how many ISIS does Trump have up his dirty asshole right now?
dan friesen
I would say.56.
unidentified
We're half to his ass.
jordan holmes
Gotcha.
Oh, that's a lot of ISIS that's up your ass.
dan friesen
Too much.
You got to get a paint to lick it.
This is a family show.
Yeah, all right.
So, Alex sort of goes further down this road, expands on this theme here in this next clip.
alex jones
They're on top of us, raping us.
We can smell their breath.
They're looking into our eyes.
They're squatting on top of us, planning on us.
unidentified
Family show.
alex jones
So we need you.
jordan holmes
Trump gloves off.
Do not.
alex jones
And talk isn't enough.
jordan holmes
Oh, boy.
alex jones
Pull-free number to join us.
Oh, whoa.
dan friesen
Got to take some calls on that note.
So, yeah, I mean, he's just calling for Trump to lock up and solidify power by taking out his political rivals that Alex is determined are deep state operatives.
alex jones
Right.
dan friesen
That's good.
jordan holmes
Right.
dan friesen
That's healthy.
jordan holmes
It's frustrating that they managed to convince, I would say, roughly 33% of the United States of fantasies.
It's really frustrating, like that whole lock her up and all of that shit and all of that.
And it's like, you've sold them on something that is not real.
dan friesen
And the fantasies really only serve in the real world.
They only really serve to help someone who wishes to solidify authoritarian power do so.
Yeah, yeah.
Circumvent courts, circumvent Congress, take singular executive authority.
Like, that's really the only function that something like this serves.
Right.
Calling for Trump to lock up all of his imaginary deep state enemies and shit.
Like, that's cool, man.
You're just normalizing a rise of a tyrant.
jordan holmes
And yeah, and the only thing that you get out of it is the, I guess, emotional satisfaction of watching somebody that you've been told is evil get treated like they're evil.
If you're a listener, because you're going to get fucked up by all the policies that actually come into place.
dan friesen
Yes, if you're someone on the ground, absolutely.
But if you're someone like Alex, you have maybe the idea that I'll get back on Facebook if Trump becomes a dictator.
jordan holmes
Right.
Order to, yeah, we're going to have to control the means of Facebook production in order for me to get back on it.
I just want a tyrant to do it.
unidentified
Yeah.
dan friesen
So, Alex, like you said, he's going to take some calls.
unidentified
Sure.
dan friesen
And he's freed up most of the time.
He's canceled his guests.
jordan holmes
He's canceled his guests.
dan friesen
He's canceled Nick Begich hosting the fourth hour because he wants to take some calls.
unidentified
Okay.
dan friesen
And he wants calls from people who disagree with him.
Sure.
But if you listen to how he's setting this up, it really strongly implies that if you call in and you disagree with him, you're probably a demon.
And no one calls in to disagree with him because they're too afraid of having an interaction with him.
I would say that if I were listening, I'd be like, I'm probably going to be dealt with as if I'm a demon call.
unidentified
Yeah, yeah, yeah.
dan friesen
Probably best not to engage.
jordan holmes
Not worth it.
alex jones
And by the way, if you think Trump should be impeached, you're welcome to call in.
We're not a cult like the left where they screen out all the calls they disagree with.
This is a real organization here where we have real discussions.
People that call and disagree always and say, I'm the government, or I'm corrupt, or I'm Bill Hicks or something.
And so I will yell at you for stuff like that.
It's just not true.
But if you have substantive stuff to talk about, we would love to hear from you.
But see, the left is a satanic system.
Right.
It never wants us to exist.
They don't ever want to commune with us and actually have a real discussion because they don't believe in themselves and their own humanity.
And so they can never join with us because we represent the life force and communion with God.
And we represent the infinity of consciousness that is already with us.
dan friesen
So that kind of disqualifies anybody from actually having a substantive argument on the other side of the country.
jordan holmes
Well, they're just demons.
dan friesen
Sure.
And I'll treat you as such.
unidentified
Yeah.
jordan holmes
You know what?
We're not a cult like the left.
I'm just telling you that a supernatural force is controlling them, making them the targets of violence for us.
dan friesen
And I wish they'd come to me with substantive arguments.
jordan holmes
I know.
I don't understand why they won't just engage with what I'm saying.
dan friesen
Yeah, it's kind of just like a preemptive way to not ever have those conversations while blaming the other side for never having those conversations.
jordan holmes
Exactly.
dan friesen
Whatever.
So Alex is mad about gender pronouns, as he is haunt to do, as he is known on the streets.
jordan holmes
Now.
dan friesen
Yeah.
Oh, boy.
So he's mad about the tyranny of this political correctness of people being, I don't know, expected to treat people how they want to be treated.
Yeah, I would say so.
But it's interesting because he's mad about that.
But the things that he uses as an example of times that, you know, we've acquiesced to these sorts of things in the past indicate to me some bad things.
alex jones
These people are carrying out a cult of making you talk the way they want.
First, it's the N-word.
You think, well, I think that's reasonable.
But notice all the rappers, everybody else can use it.
It's just you can't.
And then it's we're just going to ban the tax exemption of the KKK.
Oh, okay.
And then now it's your church down the street that's anti-war.
Or now it's the church down the street that doesn't want to kill babies after they're born.
So they think you're ready to capitulate.
They think you're ready to roll over.
The question is, are you?
dan friesen
Does he think.
unidentified
So is he saying that banning the N-word was the slippery slope that gets us to.
dan friesen
I'm less interested in that because the N-word isn't banned.
You can say it if you want.
jordan holmes
No, you can't, apparently.
dan friesen
Yeah, you can.
Nope.
It's not illegal.
jordan holmes
KKK isn't tax exempt anymore.
dan friesen
That part is the part that I'm more interested in.
That's because it does seem to imply that he thinks the clan should be tax exempt.
jordan holmes
Well, he should have, I mean, that was the slippery slope.
unidentified
Yeah.
jordan holmes
You know, you give the clan, you take away their tax exempt status.
Next thing you know, when somebody says they want to be referred to as she, you have to do it.
dan friesen
Right.
No.
jordan holmes
That makes perfect sense.
dan friesen
No, no, no.
He's trying to draw a parallel between respecting people's gender pronouns and some terrible authoritarian Soviet state will end up in.
Yeah, yeah.
But the parallel to that is they took away the Klan's tax-exempt status, and then your mom and pop church down the street that's just against the war.
They're against war.
They have their tax-exempt status taken away.
jordan holmes
Yeah.
dan friesen
That's not at all accurate.
It's not real, but it does seem to indicate that Alex thinks that the Klan should have kept tax exemptions.
jordan holmes
Yeah, absolutely.
dan friesen
Which is fucked up.
alex jones
Yeah.
jordan holmes
Well, I mean, look, free speech and tax-exempt status, we have to respect the KKK, I guess, is his point.
dan friesen
I guess.
jordan holmes
Has he never seen Blues Brothers?
I feel like he would have liked Blues Brothers.
dan friesen
I don't know.
So, anyway, this next clip is really fucked up.
And it's more of this deteriorating and descending into being mad about drag queen story time and just LGBTQ people in general, not really associating or noting the differences between people who are drag performers and people who might be trans or non-binary.
He just lumps everything all into one.
jordan holmes
Everybody who's not me.
dan friesen
Right.
And is disgusting towards this combined group.
alex jones
The man came to your children in the park and said, I want him to sit on my lap.
He'd say, get the hell out of here.
But see, these leftist women bring their children.
The children look up at them.
Like, is it all right?
They're always so scared, but finally they're made to do it.
Now they're ready for the sexual conversion.
And all these tranny commandos tell you, they say, no.
And their name is right.
They're transitioning your kids.
We're here to groom your children in video after video with arrogance and hatred and a big smile.
Because the evil flows through them only when they carry out the evil, they suddenly feel alive.
Touch them, ride them, sit on them, get close to the spider.
Come to me, my pretty.
These things must be done delicately.
I'll get you and your little dog, too.
We're going to your phone calls when you come back.
dan friesen
Okay.
jordan holmes
Sure, okay.
dan friesen
So I don't really care about that disgusting bullshit.
The only reason I felt like you really need to play that is to demonstrate he's still on this tip.
And secondly, it's because he needed to do that in order to get into that headspace that you heard at the end there.
It's like headspace.
And it allows him to transition into just a completely fucked up, weird character.
And it's not gross after this point.
jordan holmes
Yeah.
dan friesen
But here, listen to this.
He's doing an incredibly fake, gruff voice coming out of this.
Like, he's now embodied these demons he's fighting against.
And so, in order to get out of it, he's got to embody the hero.
jordan holmes
Or, under our theory, he is actually possessed by a demon right now.
dan friesen
I don't know.
Look, if I were Alex, I would say yes.
jordan holmes
Okay, see, there we go.
dan friesen
But proof to me.
Instead, I think he now needs to play the other role, which is hero guy.
alex jones
I've done a lot of talking in my life.
And see, I'm not trying to talk like some guy in old Western.
jordan holmes
I feel like you saying that means who you are.
alex jones
That's what happens to a voice that's been used like it's supposed to in the fight.
It's got that old authoritative sound, which somewhere back in our instincts, we say, is the old grayback.
unidentified
What?
alex jones
Where are the old graybacks out there?
They've all been told to go away.
They've all sold out.
Or they never discovered even who they were.
jordan holmes
And it's about pronouns.
alex jones
The best golf membership is a symbol of the power.
When it's the exercise of their will against evil.
dan friesen
Notice that his voice went back to normal there.
jordan holmes
Jesus.
dan friesen
Totally back to his normal.
alex jones
I'm not tired to sound like a cowboy.
unidentified
This is the sound of a man whose voice has been used in the right way in the fight.
jordan holmes
Anyways, back to the normal conversation that we were having.
dan friesen
Ridiculous.
That's such bullshit.
But the other thing, I tried to look into graybacks, old graybacks.
jordan holmes
What the fuck is that?
dan friesen
The only thing I could find is it was a term for one of the currencies that was used before we had unified dollar.
Yeah, yeah, yeah.
And then also it was a regiment in the Union Army.
But I don't think it's a good idea.
jordan holmes
See, I would have gone the other day.
dan friesen
Because they had gray uniforms.
jordan holmes
Yeah, yeah.
dan friesen
It was that specific troop in the.
jordan holmes
Right, because the union was blue.
dan friesen
But I don't know what I know that he wouldn't reference union soldiers.
jordan holmes
Yeah, no, exactly.
Unless they were secretly flagging?
dan friesen
It's got to be some deep reference to a Western or something like that that I just don't know and I can't find by searching for it.
But whatever the case, I mean, like, he's just lost in a deep fantasy of doing impressions of demons and then impressions of who he wants to protect us from the demons.
jordan holmes
Yeah.
dan friesen
This is just like a guy who's playing out just an absurd one-man show.
That's all this is.
It's a mentally unwell one-man show.
jordan holmes
It's so confusing to me.
It's not confusing to me.
I apologize.
It is so utterly beyond parody that nobody would be more furious of being misgendered than Alex.
dan friesen
Right.
jordan holmes
If you were to call him she over and over and over again, he would be so angry.
dan friesen
It would drive you crazy.
jordan holmes
It would.
You know what?
It drives you crazy to be misgendered every day.
Or even in every conversation.
dan friesen
Or just call him Pete over and over again.
unidentified
So how is it that you can't put one and one together?
dan friesen
That's because they're trying to attack masculinity in order to destroy the quest.
jordan holmes
Okay, fine.
Well, then you're she.
Fuck off.
I don't care.
dan friesen
Yeah, it is interesting that those sort of leaps are incapable of making.
So I think you've got a lunatic here who's doing like lunatic shit.
Yeah.
But you have to recognize in with that lunacy is the message of Trump needs to lock up his political enemies.
And then also it gets geopolitical too.
So he starts taking calls and he ends up talking to a Canadian who has a little bit of a bone to pick about how a certain politician is being treated there.
unidentified
You know, being up in Canada, we have a federal election coming later this month, and it's really incredible that we have a classical liberal that's come onto the stage and you see the same pattern happening where it's populist movement.
It's a return to just the classical liberal roots of Western democracy.
Sure.
And he's being labeled neo-Nazi.
dan friesen
Yo, that's interesting.
So this caller is talking about Maxim Bernier, who's the founder of the People's Party of Canada.
Well, I'll be the first to admit that I do not know everything about the Canadian political scene.
I can absolutely tell you why people are throwing around words like neo-Nazi and fascist.
It's because his party seems to have a bunch of neo-Nazis and fascists in it.
jordan holmes
All right, well, that's okay.
Fine.
We'll give you that one.
dan friesen
You see, in order for the People's Party to file with the Canadian elections folk and thus have the status of being a political party to be able to run in elections, they needed to have at least 250 people sign their registration documents, attesting that they are members of this actual political party.
One of the names on that list was Sean Walker, who was formerly the head of the neo-Nazi organization, the National Alliance.
jordan holmes
Ah, formerly.
You can't call him a neo-Nazi anymore.
dan friesen
You want to know why he wasn't anymore?
jordan holmes
Because he was too neo-Nazi for neo-Nazis.
dan friesen
He was indicted in 2006 on federal charges of orchestrating violent attacks on non-white citizens in Salt Lake City between the years 2002 and 2003.
jordan holmes
That's too neo-Nazi.
dan friesen
He was sentenced to 87 months in prison, but released in 2009 and is since relocated to Canada.
And now he's one of the 250 names on the signature for the People's Party of Canada.
jordan holmes
All right.
All right.
dan friesen
One of the other names was Janice Boltji, who was a founding member of the Canada chapter of Pagita, the white supremacist anti-Islam organization.
jordan holmes
All right.
That's only two strikes, though.
I'm sure you can't find a third.
dan friesen
Then there was Justin L. Smith, who is a former member of the Soldiers of Odin, a Finland-based white supremacist group some might describe as not being too far off from racist vigilantes.
Smith claimed that he was part of that group quite a long time ago.
But then the Sudsbury Star reported that he was identified as the president of the Sudbury chapter as recently as September 2017, which I guess is technically still before he signed the petition as a member of the People's Party, but not by very much.
jordan holmes
No.
dan friesen
Anyway.
jordan holmes
Okay, so that is three strikes.
Now, I have decided to change the rules.
dan friesen
Four strikes.
jordan holmes
It requires four strikes in order to get a bunch of people.
dan friesen
I don't care about your rules.
That's why people are throwing around words like neo-Nazi when talking about this candidate.
unidentified
Because he is.
dan friesen
It's because he needed to find 250 party members to sign a petition, and weirdly, at least three of the people he found are super fucked up white supremacist fascists.
So I feel like that is a bad sign.
jordan holmes
Yeah, if you wander into a rally and you turn to your left and you turn to your right and there are a lot of Nazis around and you stick around, yeah, you're a Nazi buddy.
dan friesen
Yeah, it's really weird, these classical liberals that are coming after.
jordan holmes
Oh, I'm sorry.
I forgot to say classical liberal.
unidentified
I apologize for the intense interest.
jordan holmes
I think they were misgendering their fucking political party.
That's what I would say.
dan friesen
Well, I mean, Dave Rubin had him on the Rubin Report to do an interview with this Bernie A.
And then he also went to Canada to do a fundraiser event for him.
It's very interesting to see these ding-dongs over here who are these propagandists on the right, very interested in him.
And he also has neo-Nazis in his founding party members.
jordan holmes
Well, it's just that they want to create a global association of right-wing nationalist classical liberals in order to control the world.
dan friesen
It makes sense.
jordan holmes
A global group of them.
dan friesen
Right.
jordan holmes
An alliance of the West, if you will.
dan friesen
Seems like a good idea.
So anyway, Alex gets back to talking about how the time for rhetoric is over.
He wants Trump to act.
jordan holmes
I feel like it's still time for rhetoric.
alex jones
And I think we really can't just sit here and hope Trump's going to do anything.
Maybe it's going to come.
We've seen a little bit of action.
We've seen some really good rhetoric.
unidentified
Have we?
alex jones
But rhetoric hasn't stopped Silicon Valley and their ChiCom operatives from pressing the attack.
It's actually made them dig their heels in, made them put on more steam, it's had them really buck up.
So I'd like to meet the enemy.
I'd like to start politically pulling their teeth out with pliers.
I don't mind the pain myself.
I just like to get my legs back in.
And what I don't want to hear is Brad Parskills talking about dynasties.
Talk about dynasties.
After we defeated the globalists, you can have your dynasty.
But you're either going to get dynasty or destruction.
dan friesen
So Alex is totally fine with the idea of Trump and his family having like sort of, you know, just their family is a political dynasty.
You get generational rules from Trump.
As long as we defeat my chosen enemies, these globalists, you can have a kingdom.
jordan holmes
Explain to me what could be more American than creating a dynasty of fascist leaders who have total and infinite power and transfer that power and transfer that power down a lineage.
I don't see anything wrong with that.
I don't see anything un-American about that.
dan friesen
Lock-up political enemies create intense propaganda about xenophobic concerns, dog whistle aggressively about vulnerable populations.
jordan holmes
Absolutely.
dan friesen
Also seem to wish to control media and wish to punish people who reported that they weren't.
jordan holmes
Don't tell their American people.
dan friesen
Yeah, what Alex is calling for is just, I want my dictatorship.
I want my imaginary enemies to be vanquished.
And when you do that, you get to be king.
I don't give a fuck.
We'll live under this white tyranny, but I don't want this multicultural tyranny.
Uh-uh.
At the bottom of it, that's all he is showing.
He's revealing that that's fine with him.
jordan holmes
Yeah, no, it's the white nationalists are in this place of, well, then I'm taking my ball and going home.
Like that, oh, fine.
You think we're going to add multiculturalism to this democracy?
That's not what it's supposed to be about.
So I'm going to get rid of democracy and we're going to have white tyranny.
How do you like that?
I'm taking my ball and I'm fucking going home.
We tried with the democracy.
And then you guys got rights or whatever it was.
dan friesen
It's so clear.
I mean, you've seen how in the more present days, Alex has completely abandoned those ideas about posse comitatus being so important.
jordan holmes
Let him run everything.
dan friesen
Yeah, it's just, you know, it's all the mask is slipped and you see exactly what he stands for.
Everything else before was pretend.
jordan holmes
Yep.
He's a fascist.
dan friesen
And white.
jordan holmes
White fascist.
dan friesen
Identity guy.
So Alex gets to complaining about Phil Mudd, the former CIA guy who went on MSNBC or whatever and said that the spies are going to kill the president or something.
jordan holmes
Sure, sure, sure.
dan friesen
He was obviously talking in an embellishment, but Alex has taken that as a serious death threat against Trump.
And so that's one of his only go-to examples of people actually being like, they're going to kill the president.
It always brings up fucking Phil Mudd.
And he talks a little bit about him in this next clip.
And I have bad news.
He's just making shit up.
alex jones
Phil Mudd's great, great-grandfather out of Virginia.
Reportedly helped kill Lincoln.
The name became known as Mudd.
jordan holmes
Sure.
alex jones
That's where that comes from.
jordan holmes
Does it?
alex jones
Your name will be Mudd.
It was a pun in the newspapers at the time.
And the progeny of Mudd, Dr. Mudd says they're going to kill the president and kill his supporters.
dan friesen
Ooh, his name is Mudd.
jordan holmes
His name is Dr. Mudd.
Thank you very much, Dan.
dan friesen
Well, that is, I mean, Dr. Mudd's a real person.
But, like, there's a thing that Alex talks about a lot: how Phil Mudd's ancestor was accused of being involved in the Lincoln assassination.
And that's where the expression, his name is Mudd, comes from.
This goes back to Dr. Samuel Mudd, who was the doctor who attended to John Wilkes Booth's injuries after the assassination.
But the jury is still out about whether or not he was in any way involved in the crime.
There's a pretty high chance that he was just a doctor who treated a patient not knowing what they had just done.
It's unclear.
He very well might have been involved or be aware of what he was doing.
Who knows?
Regardless, this man being the source of the term, his name is Mudd, is absolutely not true.
Lincoln was assassinated in 1865, and people who study idioms and linguistics have traced the expression, his name is Mudd, at least as far back as an 1823 book from Britain called A Dictionary of the Turf, which includes the line, quote, trans-exclusionary reaction.
jordan holmes
No, never mind.
dan friesen
It's spelled differently.
Okay.
It includes the line, quote, Mudd, a stupid twaddling fellow, and his name is Mudd.
The expression almost certainly even predates that passage, but that's one of the earliest definitive written published sources.
1823, long before the assassination.
jordan holmes
And I imagine that the comparison to the pun on it being Mudd itself is something that linguistically can be traced back into other languages as well.
Like everybody has been like, that guy is like shit.
And that's essentially what Mudd was.
dan friesen
That's different.
Right.
You wouldn't be able to draw that as the same idiom.
Nah.
But this one traces at least back to this.
jordan holmes
I'm just saying it's not necessarily an original pun, is my point.
dan friesen
But I understand what you're saying, and I agree with you, but it wouldn't help with the Mudd situation.
Specifically, what Alex is talking about.
jordan holmes
Understood.
dan friesen
But this version of the story that Alex is telling about the root of this idiom, the one that gets passed around by a lot of sort of people who just don't hear things and just repeat them without checking in on them, they love this one.
jordan holmes
Of course.
dan friesen
But in particular, I remember this being a story that's told in the movie National Treasure Book of Secrets by Nick Cage's character Benjamin Franklin Gates.
I have a very strong suspicion that that's where Alex got the story from.
He watched National Treasure and is like, hey, that's where his name is Mudd came from.
jordan holmes
Look, it's a very good Nicholas Cage performance.
It's very good.
I believed he believed that story.
dan friesen
I am a fan of the National Treasure movies.
jordan holmes
Are you?
Yes.
Like, for real?
unidentified
Yeah.
jordan holmes
Like, unironically, straight up.
dan friesen
I haven't watched them in years.
Yeah.
But I watched the first one so many times when I was younger.
jordan holmes
In the movie theater?
Is that the.
dan friesen
I think I might have worked at the theater when it came out, but I just thought it was so over-the-top and ridiculous.
jordan holmes
Fantastic.
dan friesen
It's a well-done story.
jordan holmes
Yeah.
dan friesen
And Nicholas Cage is awesome.
jordan holmes
Yeah.
dan friesen
And I like movies where it's sort of an adventure.
Yeah.
You know, you got this historical revision aspect to it.
jordan holmes
Yeah, yeah.
Nicholas Cage is Indiana Jones, but you know.
dan friesen
You're going to steal the Declaration of I know.
jordan holmes
God, that's such a great lie.
dan friesen
Awesome.
jordan holmes
That's so good.
dan friesen
Book of Secrets wasn't nearly as good, but still fine.
jordan holmes
I don't accept the increased part for What's His Dumbface.
dan friesen
Ed Harris was in it.
John Voigt.
jordan holmes
John Voigt, yeah.
dan friesen
John Voigt was in the first one.
jordan holmes
He was in the first one, but he got a lot more screen time in the second one.
dan friesen
Fair enough.
I'm still pissed they didn't make a third one.
jordan holmes
Yeah.
What would your title for that have been?
dan friesen
I don't know, but I did come up with a plot for it, and that is that there's something, clue to a treasure or something that's buried in Arlington Cemetery in the place where presidents are buried.
So in order to get the clue, he has to become the president and then fake his own death in order to get buried in Arlington Cemetery to find the clue that I don't know.
It involved aliens.
I don't remember all the plots.
jordan holmes
I'm going to bury the president.
dan friesen
Sure.
jordan holmes
But it's me.
dan friesen
So anyway, I'm pretty sure that that's where Alex got this from.
He gets everything from movies.
And this is a pretty, like, that seems like a kind of movie he might like.
jordan holmes
Oh, absolutely.
dan friesen
And it's an absolutely not true thing that is in that movie.
So as for Phil Mudd being the great-great-great-great-great-grandson of Samuel Mudd, that might be true.
I have no idea.
I can't really find this out since Phil's a pretty private dude about his family.
And there really isn't any information available about his tree or lineage.
jordan holmes
Still doesn't matter either way.
dan friesen
Yeah.
You'll hear the claim reported over and over again on message boards and tweets, but there's no sourcing for it ever.
And even if it is true, who cares?
Alex should care exactly zero about this.
His ancestors fought for the Confederacy, so he should be all about the doctor who stitched up the guy who killed Lincoln, whether or not he was in on the plan.
jordan holmes
Well, you know, ever since Jefferson Davis got impeached, he's got very little.
He's got some strange feelings on that subject.
dan friesen
The bottom line here is that Alex is 100% wrong about the expression.
His name is Mudd, and he's likely taking his information from a historical fiction movie where a guy goes hunting for treasures that the Knights Templar hid around the world.
He's further just making up that he knows that Phil Mudd is related to Samuel Mudd because they have the same last name.
This is the level of shit that he brings to the table.
jordan holmes
Well, you know, everybody's last name, Smith, is related to John Smith, the famous guy who, you know, Pocahontas, etc.
dan friesen
Sure.
unidentified
Yeah.
dan friesen
So Alex is wrong about all this stuff, right?
But he uses this idea about Phil Mudd in order to justify what he thinks he gets to do now.
alex jones
Well, when you start getting talk like that from people like him, kind of changes the rules of engagement a little bit, doesn't it?
jordan holmes
No.
alex jones
And that doesn't mean we're going to go out and do anything violent.
unidentified
Yes, it does.
alex jones
It just means we know who we're dealing with now.
So we're starting to think about how we guard ourselves for true.
Guard yourself for real kind of opens up those parts of the brain that everybody tries to keep back in the warehouse under curtains, under sheets, locked up in those crates.
jordan holmes
Are we around a fucking campfire right now?
alex jones
People aren't scared of violence or war.
They like it.
And little boys like Muddy, who never actually did anything like that, is a fool.
But who's a greater fool?
Those that don't know history, or those that do know history, and then let it repeat.
dan friesen
Alex seems to imply that he knows history.
And I would remind you that he thinks that all these fake Thomas Jefferson quotes are real.
He believes that his name is Mudd, comes from this based on a fucking Nick Cage movie.
jordan holmes
I would say what's worse is him.
dan friesen
He is worse.
Yeah, Alex is worse.
That's the definite answer.
Yeah, yeah.
So we've had earlier, like, Alex saying that as long as he takes out the globalists, Trump is totally fine to have a dynasty.
jordan holmes
Yeah.
dan friesen
Great.
That seems to be against literally everything you stand for.
Ever.
And in this next clip, I think that this is why you need to.
These next two clips, I would say, are like you need to still pay attention to Alex in the present day.
Like you and I, at least.
And that is this first clip.
He sort of lets slip some very white identity ideas.
alex jones
God hates cowards.
And if you'll sit there and let these people have their way with your culture and your very genetics, then you've made the decision to be cut off from God and to be damned.
dan friesen
So your culture and your very genetics.
jordan holmes
Playing that song underneath that speech should be a crime.
unidentified
That should be against the law.
If you never see the light of day, you'll be able to do that.
dan friesen
Jaunty-ass carnival ass music.
jordan holmes
What are we doing?
Fucking I'm going to give you a nightmarish hellscape speech with Devo playing behind me.
dan friesen
And we know enough from context and Alex's entire worldview and rhetoric that when he's talking about your culture and your very genetics, he's talking about white.
He's talking about white identity.
Yep.
So that's really fucked up.
And then it gets even more fucked up in this next clip.
unidentified
In terms of the fact that he's in danger, if he doesn't start using his bully pulpit and declare a national state of emergency and suspend Congress and arrest them, these usurpers, these fraudsters, these liars and cheaters, if he doesn't get aggressive and take the offense and deal with them and arrest them, he could be taken down entirely.
His life is at stake.
dan friesen
He's created a space and a show where callers call in and advocate for Trump suspending Congress.
jordan holmes
That's crazy.
dan friesen
And just basically being like, fuck it, I'm going to do all this dictator shit.
He's done such a poor job of teaching his audience anything about civics, anything about the reality of the things that he advocates for.
Everything that he talks about is so superficial and so stupid and so based on nothing that he has just a bunch of radicalized listeners who think they're anti-tyranny and simultaneously think Trump should suspend Congress to arrest his political enemies.
jordan holmes
The usurpers.
I'm going to go to the Secretary of History over here.
Whenever somebody has said we must destroy the Republic to save the Republic, has it historically gone well?
dan friesen
I know that there is one great literary historical source by Nicholas Cage.
George Lucas.
jordan holmes
George Lucas, that's a Star Wars thing.
dan friesen
There it was.
Yeah, this is no good.
This is no good.
When you have this being parroted to back from your audience, you have failed.
You have failed miserably.
jordan holmes
I mean, just engaging with what she just said is like, lady, do you have you like, why do you even live here if you hate America that much?
dan friesen
She doesn't hate America.
She hates the usurpers.
jordan holmes
No, she really hates America.
dan friesen
She hates the usurpers.
She loves what America stands for, which is whiteness.
jordan holmes
I really don't think so.
dan friesen
So in this next clip, Alex said something.
This is the closest I've ever been to thinking he was about to talk about us.
alex jones
We're going to play some stuff that's just over the top.
I thought about not playing it, not giving it attention, but the people, the game of the info, are so distressed about what they learned that's involved in not just this production, but others.
All right, people need to know what's going on.
That's coming up.
I'm not going to tell you about it until I play it.
dan friesen
So I thought for sure.
jordan holmes
That really does sound like us.
dan friesen
Yeah, it could be like, it's finally time for him to hit the button.
Yeah, yeah, yeah.
But it's not.
He doesn't end up talking about us.
But I honestly don't know what that's about.
jordan holmes
Does he not play a clip after that?
dan friesen
By the end of the episode, he hasn't made it clear what this is about.
But I think it's about him believing that some movies are coming out on maybe on Netflix.
I don't know.
That might have something to do with framing Alex for causing violent attacks or something.
jordan holmes
Right, okay.
dan friesen
I don't know.
He's very nonspecific about it, but I think that's what it's in reference to.
jordan holmes
Right.
dan friesen
Some movie that might be in production that might be framing Alex.
jordan holmes
That makes far more sense than him talking about a very real thing.
dan friesen
Yeah, yeah.
Unfortunately, it got my heart erasing.
jordan holmes
Yeah, there's time.
unidentified
Oh, come on.
jordan holmes
Yeah, the guns are drawn.
dan friesen
But alas, it's not to be.
So Alex gets another dumb caller, and this guy is into QAnon.
You can tell if you pay attention.
unidentified
Oh, I agree.
I think this is going to be a great awakening for the American people who are living in their bubbles and their CNN as then be concubines.
It's going to be like, wow, this is actually happening.
dan friesen
So you got the Great Awakening language.
jordan holmes
Did he say concubine?
dan friesen
I think he did.
It might have meant enclaves.
But he's, you know, you said the Great Awakening, which is a key phrase for QAnon.
And then also this idea of everybody who watches the mainstream media are going to have this terrifying moment because they've been in their concubines or whatever.
Sure, sure, sure.
It's going to be a real wake-up of, oh, no, it's all real.
jordan holmes
Yeah.
dan friesen
Those are both big themes.
jordan holmes
Man, those days are just not coming, man.
I am so sorry.
unidentified
I'm very curious to see if he's going to move quickly on the 28,000 sealed indictments that he has.
I mean, that's 27,000 more indictments than Obama had that were sealed.
I think there could be like a reconstruction deep state move that he has to make.
I mean, this deep state's been in since the 1930s since we sold our country out to the Federal Reserve and the Central Bank.
dan friesen
Sure, sure.
Three senators.
jordan holmes
Three senators, absolutely.
dan friesen
Yeah, and the sealed indictment stuff, that's all the QAnon shit, too.
Like, this guy is just spouting straight up Q shit.
Alex doesn't even realize.
unidentified
Jesus.
dan friesen
Or doesn't care because he kind of wants to co-op that all.
jordan holmes
He said the 28,000.
He said this.
dan friesen
I don't think he's used that high of a number, but he has talked about McCabe being secretly indicted.
But earlier in the episode, Alex is saying he doesn't want to hear this kind of talk because these things keep talking about it and it never comes.
So Alex is poorly prepared on this episode because it's an episode of his show.
Right.
Very poorly prepared.
jordan holmes
Right, right, right.
dan friesen
But that doesn't stop him.
jordan holmes
Because it's a day of the week.
dan friesen
That doesn't stop him from talking about how he prepares too well.
jordan holmes
I don't think so.
alex jones
Man.
I have this tendency to get really prepared for the show.
jordan holmes
You need to turn your ringer off.
alex jones
I may just have to host some of the war room today with Owen.
No.
Let me do this.
unidentified
Let me do this.
alex jones
Let me come back because I promise I'd do this.
And let me start getting into all these reports and all these clips.
dan friesen
He's in the fourth hour at this point.
This is the fourth hour of his show.
And he's like, let me get to the news.
Maybe I'll take over Owen's show because I haven't done any of the work I meant to do on my own show because I rambled about the three little fucking pigs.
jordan holmes
That is the most I have ever identified with Alex in my entire life of him being like, I think I'm going to go do this thing.
No, that seems hard.
dan friesen
I'm going to not get to do that.
jordan holmes
Yeah, that's the most, I'm going to go to the gym right.
alex jones
No, I won't.
jordan holmes
That passed.
dan friesen
So Alex starts playing a bunch of clips of Trump's rally the night before.
And one of the clips that he plays is based on Trump saying that if Hillary had won, China would be number one in the world right now.
They'd be the greatest, the biggest economy.
Sure.
And Alex talks about what the plans were.
alex jones
By the way, we were slated to be like the number three economy by now.
After the EU and China, now we're the number one oil producer, exporter.
It's like flipping a light switch.
dan friesen
We've been set up.
unidentified
So, number one oil exporter.
jordan holmes
Great.
dan friesen
That's not true.
Not even close.
jordan holmes
Of course not.
dan friesen
Saudi Arabia is the top oil exporter in the world by a long shot.
jordan holmes
By a wide margin.
dan friesen
You could add the U.S.'s oil exports to the number two country in the world, which is Russia, and you'd still be lower than Saudi Arabia.
Exports of crude oil have definitely jumped dramatically in this country since 2015.
But if you're looking for someone to credit for that, Trump's not your guy.
While president, Obama lifted a ban on exporting crude oil that had been in place since 1975.
That ban was put in place in response to the 1973 oil crisis, where OPEC countries placed an embargo on oil sales to countries they felt were supporting Israel in the Yom Kippur War.
The price of oil shot through the roof, and the U.S. decided that we needed to do whatever we could to make sure we'd have a steady supply of oil that wasn't vulnerable to those sorts of actions.
And thus, the export ban was put into place, much to the chagrin of oil companies who didn't care about any of this bullshit.
They just wanted to sell their oil for the highest profit possible.
jordan holmes
And because of that, Jimmy Carter was roundly blamed, and so on and so forth.
dan friesen
When people talk about us being an exporter of oil, now a net exporter of oil, that doesn't mean that we're not still buying tons of it and importing it.
It just means that big oil companies are taking the oil they dig up and refine domestically and sell some of it elsewhere.
While we're also, you know, you and I, we still end up paying for imported oil.
Oh, yeah.
This is a shitty development, quite frankly, unless you're making money off it.
jordan holmes
Yeah, yeah, yeah.
So I would say probably everything involved with fossil fuels now is a shitty development unless you're making money off of it.
dan friesen
Yeah.
So Alex gets into playing some clips of people having an argument at an abortion rally, which is great.
jordan holmes
Yeah.
dan friesen
Super.
jordan holmes
Do you want to do Man on the Street interviews next?
dan friesen
Super important, relevant, hard-hitting news.
jordan holmes
I think abortion's good.
I think abortion's bad.
This is riveting radio.
dan friesen
Stop the presses.
People are arguing at an abortion rally.
jordan holmes
I can't imagine.
dan friesen
So while playing the clip, Alex starts editorializing about how one of the women who is anti-abortion is not attractive.
alex jones
I hate what a woman is.
Nobody's having kids with her.
unidentified
If women could keep her.
alex jones
She's going to take kids.
She's probably a social worker.
She's going to take them.
Yo, backpack.
Good money.
She's about to get social worker.
Good cash.
She's a social worker.
dan friesen
So, like, he's just decided that she's a social worker.
And what he's doing there is, like, I don't know if she is.
I don't know if she's not.
I don't really care.
But he says, find out who she is.
He's asking his audience to dox this woman.
Yeah.
So.
unidentified
Cool.
dan friesen
Yeah.
jordan holmes
Yeah.
I would caution you, Alex, against doing anything like that.
dan friesen
Yeah.
jordan holmes
Again.
dan friesen
It just seems like you're you can't even help yourself.
It's just how he operates.
So whenever there's like these protestations that he's making about the Sandy Hook accusations and stuff, it's like there's a million examples of you doing exactly the behavior you're being.
jordan holmes
Still doing it.
dan friesen
Yeah.
Last Friday, you're like, hey, someone find out who this girl is in this video.
jordan holmes
I'm putting out a $50,000 bounty on.
dan friesen
And it's not because you want to have a discourse with her.
jordan holmes
No, no.
God, Barnes just hears so much.
So much.
dan friesen
But less money, just more advertising for the Free America Law Service.
jordan holmes
That's fair.
That's fair.
dan friesen
So Alex jumps from insulting this woman at the abortion rally and then jumps over to wanting to play some videos of whites being attacked outside the Trump rally by Somalis.
unidentified
It really doesn't feel like that's as well.
dan friesen
There's racist attacks going on around Trump rallies, Jordan.
The whites are under attack, and it's time for all good men to come to the aid of the party.
And I'm only playing this because Alex is unsuccessful in playing his clip, and he's really mad.
alex jones
Let's start rolling what happened last night in Minneapolis, St. Paul.
And again, most of these were racial attacks.
Here it is.
After the Trump rally.
The compilation.
Wouldn't turn the audio up.
So again, just white people being chased down, being attacked everywhere.
All of this being escalated.
I guess there's no audio.
There's just so much cussing.
And big piles of people's hats being taken and then being burned.
And they had all these big ceremonies where they burned American flags.
So we're going to come back from break with the rest of this.
It's no big deal.
I wanted it with audio, so just scratch it.
Just abort it.
It's not a baby.
We don't have to play the video.
That's enough.
Thank you.
Appreciate it.
We'll take it down now.
dan friesen
He's real mad there.
I wanted it with audio.
jordan holmes
All right.
dan friesen
No big deal.
jordan holmes
We can abort it.
Why is it that every fucking time we had a clip of him in 2013, just so furious that they, no, that's fine.
dan friesen
No, that was in the present day.
jordan holmes
No, that was.
dan friesen
That was about him trying to play the South Park club.
jordan holmes
I thought it was on our last episode, but yeah, you're right.
dan friesen
And you know what it is?
jordan holmes
Yeah.
dan friesen
If I had to give a theory.
jordan holmes
He's fired everybody that knows how to do anything.
dan friesen
I think people have left.
I think that he has a crew that is not nearly as good or as smooth as it used to be.
And he's pretty mad about how it's like, well, it's causing hiccups in the thing.
I want you to play this clip.
You pull the wrong clip.
I can't prove it, but it would be exactly what you would see if Alex is working with a thinned-out staff or people who knew what they were doing have been like, we got to get out of here, which is exactly what I would have predicted after he does an everything must go sale.
alex jones
Yeah.
jordan holmes
Yep.
dan friesen
Or any of these other sales or is him saying on air we won't exist in a year.
jordan holmes
Yeah.
dan friesen
That's what you'd expect.
Competent people are going to leave.
jordan holmes
Yeah.
No, it's a thank you for agreeing to interview me.
I am a radio producer.
I just had to leave my old job.
What was my old job?
You know, let's not talk about that.
Okay, so there is a, it looks like there's a 12-year gap on my resume.
It looks like that.
dan friesen
You would rather pretend that you worked for Lord Hawhawk.
jordan holmes
Yeah, yeah.
dan friesen
As opposed to like, I worked for Alex Jones.
Anyway, Alex, I think, has found a new source of revenue.
I think that he's found a new sponsor because there is.
jordan holmes
Saying and neutering your pets?
dan friesen
No.
I do not believe what you're about to hear is unpaid programming.
I have a very strong sense that Alex is reading copy here because he's being paid to.
alex jones
Free Speech TV is doing a lot of great work, and I'm really excited to be able to talk about them.
Gavin McGinnis is back with his new online TV network, FreeSpeech.tv.
Please subscribe to Gavin to see his daily show.
Get off my lawn.
unidentified
Wow.
alex jones
Find Joe Biggs, Milo Yiannopoulos, Shop, and the new show, Free Speech, where Gavin interviews a liberal and a conservative.
dan friesen
Notably, not you.
Yeah, that's like the worst Harry's Razor ad you ever heard on a podcast.
That is bad.
That seems like ad copy for sure.
jordan holmes
Oh, yeah.
Well, just the ad it, edit it, like that's classic.
dan friesen
Gavin McGinnis is back with his new great show, right off my lawn.
Like that, that's the kind of thing where Alex, you better be getting paid for that.
Because that's an ad.
That's bad.
Yeah.
Okay.
Yeah, it makes sense.
You know, Gavin's trying to rebrand himself a little bit, and he wants to at least hold on to anybody who might be inclined to come along with his new adventure.
I don't know.
It makes sense that this would be an ad.
jordan holmes
Yeah, no.
dan friesen
I think he got paid for that.
jordan holmes
It's kind of surprising to me how obviously an ad it was.
Like, I get he, I get maybe if they were trying to do that, like, uh, content that goes in there and it's kind of like buzz marketing and it fits in there.
But if you give him copy and then are like, well, just kind of fit it in wherever you want.
He's an old-fashioned radio dude, man.
He's going to read ad copy like fucking ad copy.
That's part of his blood.
dan friesen
So I think that's a commercial.
But, you know, in addition to that, as a new source of revenue, he also has the everything must go sale going on right now.
unidentified
Sure.
dan friesen
And I have some bad news.
This sale might get him in some trouble.
alex jones
Please remember we have the new everything must go sale.
As big as the last sale that was the biggest since Christmas, because I just want to sell out of everything.
But some of these are even better sales.
It's 30 to 70% off because some things are 30, but the sign says 40 to 70 off.
Free shipping, double Patriot points.
It's amazing.
dan friesen
That's explicitly false advertising.
jordan holmes
Yeah, that's against the.
Yeah, you can't.
It's 40 to 70% off, but some of it's 30%.
No, then it's not 40 to 70%.
dan friesen
I didn't check the website to see if there's like fine print or anything on the big banner that says 40 to 70% off.
But if you're advertising 40 to 70% off everything and some things are 30% off, that's misleading advertising.
jordan holmes
Yeah, yeah.
Fucking nobody's coming after him for that.
dan friesen
Certainly not.
Much like the churches.
jordan holmes
Yeah, he knows.
dan friesen
No one's coming after him.
jordan holmes
You can get away with that.
dan friesen
And I honestly think you would have to buy something from him to have standing to complain.
I don't know.
Whatever he'd have to pay for that violation is pretty small.
But it's just dishonest, which is par for the course.
So Alex finishes off the show with a couple more calls.
He's trying to take pretty quick, trying to get some calls in because he realizes.
jordan holmes
Get some juice before you get out of it.
dan friesen
He's only talked to a couple people and he was pretending he was going to spend all day taking calls.
And this first guy is absolutely 100% a member of Christian identity.
unidentified
Hi, Alex.
I really appreciate your appetite for action today.
The ancient American scripture clearly states that the Son of the living God, Jesus Christ of Nazareth, is the God of this land.
And he authored our Constitution for these United States through men he raised up for that purpose.
He gave us all the tools necessary in the Constitution to restore the Republic.
dan friesen
Yeah, so that's a Christian identity, dude.
jordan holmes
Yeah, you know, look, those people need to be kept in a pen.
That's bananas.
dan friesen
I'm not siding with you on that.
jordan holmes
Can't hang on that.
Well, for a while while they get to.
dan friesen
I don't know, man.
I don't know what that answer is.
You know, your knee-jerk reaction of like, you've got to re-educate people.
I know that that's not necessarily a good solution, but I don't know what the solution is.
I'm opposed to your solution, but I don't have a problem.
jordan holmes
Yeah, I mean, the only thing that I've got is cult deprogramming.
Beyond that, I mean, you know.
dan friesen
You'd hope that individually this would be able to be handled by loved ones of folks.
jordan holmes
You're going down this path.
dan friesen
You're going down this path where you believe that the Bible is an ancient American scripture.
We need to talk.
You'd hope that a lot of people don't have the support networks that are able to help with this.
jordan holmes
What if we just gave him Florida?
Like, just give it to him.
dan friesen
That's not an answer.
jordan holmes
I feel like it's better than the pen.
dan friesen
Steve Pieczenik will lead a war against these invading Christian identity people if they try and come down to Florida.
jordan holmes
I'm fine with that.
dan friesen
So we get one last call here, and what do you know?
It's another guy trying to promote Maxime Bernier.
unidentified
Yeah, man, I'm just going to rush in here.
Not sure if impeachment is inevitable, but in the vein of 1776 worldwide, and how Maxine Bernier is a lover of all races, lover of the human race, populist nationalist candidate up in Canada.
jordan holmes
Don't need to say it today.
unidentified
If he wins up a good pressure on developments in the United States in this international fierce fight for freedom, then I can call back.
Obviously, you know they did.
alex jones
No, I'm glad Canada's fired up.
We've got a big election coming up.
Everybody in the U.S. should call folks in Canada and tell them, vote for the Patriot candidate.
dan friesen
Okay, so now Alex is promoting this guy he doesn't even know anything about.
jordan holmes
That's been an interesting thing.
dan friesen
Except a couple callers have called him a classical liberal.
jordan holmes
Well, two callers called him a classical liberal.
dan friesen
Right, so we've got to get him in.
So he's the new Geert Wilders or Le Pen for Bolsonaro.
jordan holmes
As far as an unofficial poll, that is 100% in favor of the guy.
So how can you, it's the will of the people, Dan.
dan friesen
We've got to get Canada's Trump in there.
So I think that's really interesting the way that this is now seeming to be pushed on Alex's show.
I know that he doesn't necessarily control the callers or anything, but you've got to assume that if there is this much representation of the people who call into his show that are specifically calling in to try and get the message out about Bernier, then that means something.
They know that he might be somebody that appeals to the InfoWars audience.
And that, to me, is not a good sign.
jordan holmes
Yeah.
Yeah, that lets you know everything you need to know.
If you're courting the InfoWars audience, that's all I need to hear about it.
dan friesen
It means to me, I got a red flag on this guy.
Yeah.
jordan holmes
I'm going to put a big red flag up there.
dan friesen
I'm going to be worried about it.
jordan holmes
I think that's a flag factory that only makes red flags.
dan friesen
Yeah.
So, I mean, we get to the end of this, and like I said earlier, I wanted to try and cover more ground.
I wanted to try and cover a couple episodes.
But Sunday, Mike Adams host.
Boom.
So, like, get out.
unidentified
Fuck off.
dan friesen
And then I turned on Monday's show, and I was listening to it, and it was very clear that the whole thing was going to be about James O'Keefe's new stunt.
jordan holmes
Oh, no.
But how is he still in Latin?
dan friesen
Right.
I had that same response.
I was like, I can't spend more time doing another one of these.
jordan holmes
Yeah, I'm not doing that.
dan friesen
Like, it's just, he's entered that sort of rarefied air.
Like, Jacob Wall lives there.
jordan holmes
Yeah.
dan friesen
Where it's just like he's talking, he means he's talking shit.
jordan holmes
Yeah, yeah.
dan friesen
Don't worry about his stupid distractions.
We've done this a hundred times.
And so whenever Alex is talking about, like, I'm going to talk to James O'Keefe for two hours today, like, I'm not listening to that.
jordan holmes
Yeah.
dan friesen
And then his other big thing was about that meme of Trump.
jordan holmes
Oh, whenever they had him cutting off people's heads from Kingsmen.
unidentified
Yeah, yeah, yeah.
dan friesen
And Alex's whole defense about that is, it's a meme.
I don't really care.
I can engage with that.
jordan holmes
Whatever.
dan friesen
And then the other one is like, it's like a year old.
And they're like, well, that doesn't really address the fact that this was played in an official game recently.
Yeah, yeah.
It's just, who cares?
I'm not going to descend to the level of bickering about memes with Alex.
So I just heard that.
jordan holmes
You can save that for Carpe Dunktum.
dan friesen
Sure.
I heard that and I was like, I don't, I don't care.
I'm not, I don't care about this Monday episode.
It's very, it was very bad.
And at the same time, I think that this one's much more interesting.
Alex is in a completely fucked up state.
He talks a bunch of nonsense.
jordan holmes
Oh, yeah.
dan friesen
And then at the same time, you hear these real actual things that are troubling.
You know, it's fine if Trump has a dynasty.
Callers advocating that Trump suspend Congress.
And that just flies on the show.
And advocating the election of this Canadian guy that he knows nothing about.
There's real world trouble here mixed in with the insanity of the three little pigs.
jordan holmes
Lackadaisical unprofessional laziness combined with a certain mood swing down that's saying, we got to kill people.
We can't do work.
No, he said we can't do rhetoric anymore.
You have to go further.
dan friesen
Yeah.
jordan holmes
Like that's pretty much the same.
dan friesen
It's debatable whether he's talking about Trump or other people when he's making those sorts of messages.
That's fair.
So if he's talking specifically about Trump, then you could conceivably think that what he means is executive orders, legislation or whatever.
I know that he's not, and that's not the message he wants his audience to hear.
jordan holmes
No.
dan friesen
But you could use that as a defense.
jordan holmes
I can see that for sure.
unidentified
But that's like a.
jordan holmes
It's weird that sometimes it seems like just his mood swings are enough to get people killed.
Like just the inability to handle any kind of adversity at all.
dan friesen
And it's good that it seems like it doesn't happen regularly.
jordan holmes
Yeah, no, that's nice.
dan friesen
But yeah, his mood swings do absolutely dictate the tenor and tone of this show.
jordan holmes
Yeah.
dan friesen
And that's like, I don't know.
That alone.
That alone should kind of disqualify it for being okay.
Yeah.
Something that should exist.
But we'll be back on Friday, Jordan.
jordan holmes
I think we will, Dan.
dan friesen
We'll have a new episode of something or other.
jordan holmes
Most likely.
dan friesen
But until then, we have a website.
jordan holmes
Do we?
dan friesen
Yep.
jordan holmes
It's KnowledgeFight.com.
I heard that.
dan friesen
Yeah, that is true.
jordan holmes
I heard that.
Are we on Twitter?
dan friesen
We are.
jordan holmes
Oh, yeah?
dan friesen
Yeah.
At knowledge underscore fight, and you're at GoToBedJordan.
jordan holmes
And I'm pretty sure we're on Facebook.
unidentified
Look.
dan friesen
Yeah, we are.
And we're also word on the street is we're on iTunes.
jordan holmes
We are on iTunes.
We are also wherever podcastual apps are sold.
It would be nice if you downloaded, left a review, etc.
Tell your friends about it.
We love having a party.
dan friesen
We'll be back, but until then, I'm Neo.
I'm Leo.
I'm DZX Clark.
I am Benjamin Franklin Gates.
alex jones
Andy in Kansas, you're on the air.
Thanks for holding.
unidentified
Hello, Alex.
I'm a first-time caller.
I'm a huge fan.
I love your work.
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