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#355: April 18, 2013

Today, Dan and Jordan continue to look at the absolutely embarrassing coverage of the days after the Boston Marathon bombing on the Alex Jones Show. In this installment, Alex works to solidify his narrative in advance of the FBI's announced press conference to reveal suspect photos on the afternoon of the 18th, and talks to a ton of really dumb callers.

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alex jones
34:36
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dan friesen
02:20:42
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jordan holmes
35:46
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jakari jackson
02:58
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david knight
00:10
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jalen martin
00:09
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unidentified
I have great respect for Knowledge Fight.
alex jones
Knowledge fight.
I'm sick of them posing as if they're the good guys, saying we are the bad guys.
Knowledge fight.
Dan and George.
unidentified
Knowledge fight.
Need money.
Andy in Kansas.
alex jones
Andy in Kansas.
Stop it.
Andy in Kansas.
Andy in Kansas.
It's time to pray.
Andy in Kansas.
You're on the air.
Thanks for holding.
unidentified
Hello, Alex.
I'm a big fan.
I'm a huge fan.
jordan holmes
I love your world.
unidentified
Knowledge fight.
No, no, no, no.
alex jones
I love you.
dan friesen
Hey, everybody.
Welcome back to Knowledge Fight.
I'm Dan.
jordan holmes
I'm Jordan.
dan friesen
We're a couple dudes like to sit around, drink novelty beverages, and talk a little bit about Alex Jones.
jordan holmes
Indeed we are, Dan.
dan friesen
Jordan.
jordan holmes
Dan?
dan friesen
Jordan.
jordan holmes
Is there a specific jingle you remember from your childhood?
One that pops out in your mind right away?
dan friesen
O 'Reilly Auto Parts.
Oh, really?
Is that the jingle for that?
Yeah, O 'Reilly Auto Parts.
O, O, O, O, O 'Reilly Auto Parts.
jordan holmes
That business has my favorite origin story, O 'Reilly Auto Parts.
It's just a divorce gone bad, and she made her own business to spite...
dan friesen
Is that right?
jordan holmes
Yeah, yeah, yeah.
I think it's the guy who...
dan friesen
You know the lore of O 'Reilly?
jordan holmes
There was a...
They owned...
AutoZone or the guy who created AutoZone?
Yeah, Get in the Zone with AutoZone.
And then they got divorced and she was like, I fucking hate that guy.
And she just made O 'Reilly Auto Parts.
dan friesen
I feel really...
jordan holmes
I'm fairly certain that's the...
dan friesen
I hope you're not telling tales out of school here.
jordan holmes
...apocrypha that could be.
I could be wrong, but I remember that.
dan friesen
I wish it was more of a local thing.
But I honestly also, I realized that I had sort of placed O 'Reilly Auto Parts in my brain as like a local Columbia business.
Not realizing it's a national chain.
jordan holmes
It sounds more like it could be than AutoZone.
You know, like O 'Reilly sounds like it could be like, oh, I know O 'Reilly.
He lives down the block.
dan friesen
That's the one that sticks out most to me in my mind.
But I'm sure there are others.
And maybe one will come to me by the time we finish this episode.
And if so, I'll sing it.
jordan holmes
Well, I just turned and looked over and you've got goldfish right on the table.
And I was like, got goldfishes.
dan friesen
I don't remember that jingle.
jordan holmes
You don't remember that one?
unidentified
No.
jordan holmes
Oh, man.
dan friesen
My parents would mostly only let us watch PBS growing up.
So I didn't have a lot of commercials.
In my early days.
jordan holmes
Try Kale.
dan friesen
Kale's good.
jordan holmes
We're from PBS.
dan friesen
I don't even think they would allow that.
But this is a podcast where I don't know much about jingles, but I do know quite a bit about Alex Jones.
jordan holmes
And I know quite a bit about the former and none about the latter.
dan friesen
So, Jordan, today we are back in the past.
We are going to be going over April 18th, 2013.
jordan holmes
All right.
dan friesen
Continuing our larger coverage of...
Alex's response to Sandy Hook and his coverage afterwards in the subchapter of the Boston bombing.
jordan holmes
This investigation has really gotten out of hand.
dan friesen
I think it's gotten out of hand, but one of the things that I'm starting to realize is that maybe...
What we were looking for was the wrong thing.
You know, what we embarked on was trying to figure out when Alex changes his tune about Sandy Hook.
But in the process, I think the larger story is the Boston bombing.
jordan holmes
Right.
dan friesen
I think that broke his mind.
jordan holmes
I think you might be right.
dan friesen
And I think that we've accidentally stumbled onto pretty solid evidence that this is a major turning point in his career.
unidentified
Yeah, yeah, yeah.
dan friesen
He believes, like we talked about on our last episode, that he has completely outflanked the globalists.
Of course he does.
And he just continues to lose it.
And we're going to go through a good bit of that on today's episode.
Things get wild.
But before we get to that, we've got to give a shout-out to some folks who've signed up and are supporting the show.
So first of all, Brett, thank you so much.
You are now a policy wonk.
alex jones
I'm a policy wonk.
jordan holmes
Thank you, Brett.
dan friesen
Next.
You just said Brit.
You were trying to do a Flight of the Concords, Brett.
jordan holmes
I thought of it, but I didn't mean to say it.
Sorry.
Brett.
dan friesen
Colin, thank you so much.
You are now a policy wonk.
alex jones
I'm a policy wonk.
jordan holmes
Thank you, Colin.
dan friesen
Next, you are now a policy wonk.
You are now a policy wonk.
alex jones
I'm a policy wonk.
dan friesen
Thank you so much.
You are now a policy wonk.
jordan holmes
You are now a policy wonk.
dan friesen
Next, Carl.
Thank you so much.
You are now a policy wonk.
alex jones
I'm a policy wonk.
dan friesen
Thanks, Carl.
Next, Liz.
Thank you so much.
You are now a policy wonk.
alex jones
I'm a policy wonk.
jordan holmes
Thank you, Liz.
dan friesen
Next, Joel.
Thank you so much.
You are now a policy wonk.
alex jones
I'm a policy wonk.
jordan holmes
Thanks, Joel.
If that's you, Skousen, get out of here.
Get the fuck out of here, Skousen.
dan friesen
Or Hodgson.
That would be better than Skousen.
jordan holmes
In which case, get the back fuck in here, Hodgson.
You're a big fan.
I'm a big fan of yours.
dan friesen
And then lastly, I'm probably going to mispronounce this, but I think this is probably how this is pronounced.
It's A-K-K-M-E-D-K.
I'm going to say Akmedic.
Thank you so much.
You are now a policy wonk.
alex jones
I'm a policy wonk.
dan friesen
Thank you, Akmedic.
jordan holmes
Thank you.
I feel like we're getting memed again.
dan friesen
It's possible.
jordan holmes
But it turns out that's a real name and we're just complete assholes.
dan friesen
Sure, it could be.
Thank you so much, Ekmedic.
And if you're listening out there and thinking, hey, I like what these guys do, I'd like to support the show, you can do that by going to our website, knowledgefight.com, clicking the button that says support the show.
It would go to our Patreon and you can sign up and support the show.
jordan holmes
It would be very lovely.
dan friesen
So, Jordan.
jordan holmes
Yes, Dan.
dan friesen
It is now time.
jordan holmes
Okay.
dan friesen
Let me read my introduction.
alex jones
Okay.
jordan holmes
Bombs are coming!
dan friesen
No, they have come.
jordan holmes
Oh, okay, that's right.
dan friesen
We are too late on your alert.
So, for the final time, I will introduce one of these episodes from the Boston bombing period by saying that when Alex gets on air on the 18th, people do not know very much.
This is the episode right before what I'm going to call the fever breaks, and it's the last episode where Alex has legitimate free reign to create whatever story he wants out of the random bits of internet rumors that he can find.
To recap a little bit, on our last installment, Alex had found some out-of-context images on 4chan and used them to create his own story of what happened at the Boston Marathon.
He found people in the pictures that he felt fit his narrative and cast them like characters in a play.
He saw some guys in what he decided were SEAL uniforms, so they were Marines who were there to run a drill.
He saw a white guy that he felt looked stupid holding a backpack, so he got to be the tragic white patsy who the globalists are going to pin the crime on so they could blame the patriots.
jordan holmes
I'm pretty sure that one's going to bear out to be true.
dan friesen
Oh, sure.
He saw some guys whose skin was brown carrying backpacks, so he decided that they were there to make it look like this white patsy was working with Al-Qaeda to validate Alex's theories that the media is obsessed with the idea of white right-wingers working with Al-Qaeda.
jordan holmes
Which makes too much sense.
dan friesen
All of this was just made up out of whole cloth.
None of this was in any way based on anything other than Alex's assumptions and a story that he came up with while looking at random photos.
From there, Alex decided he'd scooped the media and that they had been forced to announce that the FBI had photos of the suspects because he had reported on those pictures that, again, he found on 4chan.
jordan holmes
That's so funny.
dan friesen
After that point, Alex descended into a completely delusional state where he believed that the globalists were watching his every move and trying to counter him through the media.
Then he interviewed Steve Pachanek, who stated that he was in a state of open treason and advocated lone actors attack the federal government.
It was a fucked-up show under any circumstances, but in the aftermath of this bombing, it was particularly distasteful.
jordan holmes
Yeah, that one was wild.
dan friesen
Yeah.
jordan holmes
I assume that it is much better, and they retract all of that bullshit today, and we're going to see all of them...
dan friesen
I don't know if they do.
Okay.
But the FBI had announced...
By the time Alex gets on air, they had announced on the 17th that they had photos of the suspects.
And Homeland Security Secretary Janet Napolitano had testified before the House Homeland Security Committee regarding these images and videos that the investigation had zeroed in on.
However, the actual images had not yet been released to the public when Alex gets on air on the 18th.
And then another media outlet made a gigantic fuck up.
The New York Post put a picture of two men, two Moroccan gentlemen who had nothing to do with the bombing, on their front cover with the title "bag men".
The New York Post were operating off old tips from law enforcement who had for a moment So this was a huge problem.
With the New York Post's cover on the 18th.
jordan holmes
I would say the New York Post is a huge problem.
dan friesen
Salon called it, quote, a new low.
Others described it as appalling, and they were all right.
In the ensuing fallout, it was easy to conflate the two events in your head, to imagine that the picture on the cover of the New York Post was the same one as the ones that were going to be released by the FBI and had been mentioned by Napolitano.
And Alex makes exactly this mistake, which we'll discuss in greater detail as this episode goes on.
The larger point for now is that when Alex gets into the studio, he has a lot of chaos and confusion to play with regarding these photos.
In the absence of any real, actual information, that's about the best he could hope for at this point.
He's in a pretty good position from a propaganda standpoint.
jordan holmes
We would call it the poll position, if you will.
dan friesen
Sure.
The FBI press conference is scheduled to happen while Alex is on air because he's extended his show six hours now.
jordan holmes
Of course, of course.
dan friesen
And he knows that once the press conference happens...
He needs to be firmly in place with his narrative.
He knows that that's the moment that the metaphorical cement is going to dry.
Once there's information backed up by an actual investigation available, his rambling bullshit's going to be pretty unconvincing to anyone he hasn't already convinced.
So he has three main objectives.
One, solidify the narrative.
Two, establish a narrative about what the FBI release will be in hopes of preemptively discrediting it.
And three, throw conspiracy spaghetti against the wall.
And see what sticks.
jordan holmes
And four, of course, salt the water before you put the spaghetti in there.
That otherwise...
dan friesen
Helps it stick.
jordan holmes
Yeah, yeah, absolutely.
dan friesen
That's what my mama told me.
Mama, mama!
Also on this episode, we'll get a premiere of an InfoWars employee.
jordan holmes
Yeah.
dan friesen
We will find a guest appearance from someone I've never heard on the show before, but I guess I've actually talked to them.
Really?
Yeah.
unidentified
Okay.
jordan holmes
All right.
Alright, here's a weird intersection.
dan friesen
Yeah, it's kind of weird.
jordan holmes
Here's some small world action.
dan friesen
So this is the state that we're in here when Alex gets on air.
jordan holmes
Yeah.
dan friesen
And it's going to be a mess.
So here's the first clip where Alex is just sort of stating that these, talking about the pictures, the FBI and people like Janet Napolitano talking about these pictures, they're just a cover-up because InfoWars is so on the story.
alex jones
I am going to attempt as best I can after the break when we come back to go over all the different facets of this, but we saw a massive cover-up yesterday.
Within five minutes of us announcing, we had the photos and videos of what looked like Navy SEALs along with what looked like Saudi Arabians and what looked like good old boy Patsy's they were preparing to set up, all with black backpacks.
CNN looked completely panicked during the break and said, oh, now there's been an arrest.
There's going to be a press conference at 5. But then they figured out, wait, now when we show the photos that Jones has, then everyone's going to say, well, what about all these other people?
dan friesen
So that's kind of just a distillation of what he is, you know, the state he's in as he's launching off on the 18th.
jordan holmes
At what point do we have to declare, like, a legitimate delusional break from reality?
dan friesen
It's here.
jordan holmes
Like, this is insane.
alex jones
Yeah.
dan friesen
There's elements of it that you can still kind of tell are performative.
unidentified
Yeah.
dan friesen
You know, absolutely.
I don't think it's, like, you've got to chase him with a butterfly net or anything like that.
But there's a...
It's a balance here that you can definitely tell some of this is sincere.
jordan holmes
Yeah, yeah, yeah.
dan friesen
He's buying his own bullshit, and then some of it is intentional manipulation.
unidentified
Yeah, yeah, yeah.
dan friesen
And it's really hard to tell what it is.
jordan holmes
You can't find out the exact ratio, but yeah, he buys that he thinks he's really scooped the real media.
dan friesen
Yeah.
jordan holmes
And you can tell because he's so excited because he's literally never done that before.
unidentified
Uh-huh.
jordan holmes
You know, he feels like, oh, shit!
I finally accidentally hit the jackpot on this one.
dan friesen
I finally lived up to my promise.
jordan holmes
Yeah, exactly.
I have been lying for 20 years, and finally.
dan friesen
Yeah.
And so, I mean, the issue, too, with that, what we talked about a little bit on the last episode, the announcement that they'd made an arrest that was inaccurate never came from the Boston Police Department, the FBI.
It was something that was from...
Erroneous sources within CNN.
jordan holmes
Right.
dan friesen
So the idea that they said that they'd got him, they didn't.
CNN got that wrong.
You are right that that was misreported.
jordan holmes
Yeah.
dan friesen
But you can't claim that all of this, because CNN can't be running the Patsy operation.
jordan holmes
Right, right, right.
dan friesen
It stretches credulity to imagine that they're able to do that.
I understand that he's saying that the media is the presentation arm of all this.
jordan holmes
Yeah, yeah, yeah, of course.
dan friesen
But they would have to be, like, so much deeper.
jordan holmes
Right.
dan friesen
Anyway.
jordan holmes
I'm going to go with MSNBC is the one who did it.
That's a surprise.
unidentified
Uh-huh.
jordan holmes
Yeah, see, that's the twist ending.
That's our Black Mirror episode.
It was MSNBC all along.
dan friesen
Fair enough.
Yeah.
I'd watch that show.
jordan holmes
Yeah.
dan friesen
So there's a quirk from the night before, and that is about Obama.
And this gets into bullshit.
Okay.
That will kind of continue on this episode.
Because on the prior episode, on the 17th, Alex was looking at those pictures and seeing the people that he decided were Middle Eastern.
unidentified
Sure.
dan friesen
And he was saying that these are North Africans and stuff.
And now he's trying to retcon that and say that he always thought they were Saudi Arabians.
alex jones
Sure.
dan friesen
Because there's Saudi Arabia talk going around on the 18th.
jordan holmes
Yeah, yeah, yeah.
alex jones
So all of that and more is coming up today.
You had an emergency meeting with the Saudi foreign minister in Obama that was not on the schedule with all sorts of sedans pulling up and freaking out.
You had them talking about deporting a Saudi who was arrested.
Oh, he's a suspect.
We're going to deport him.
Let's not.
dan friesen
For the sake of total clarity there, Alex just trails off in the middle of that sentence.
I didn't cut it there intentionally to try and make it look like he doesn't finish his thought.
He does not finish his thought.
It just stops.
So, regarding the Obama meeting with the Saudi foreign minister, this is something that's easy to misrepresent, but I don't think it has anything to do with the bombing at all.
At this point in 2013, Obama was in the middle of a series of meetings with leaders from around the Middle East region, hoping to find solutions to the situation with Iran, as well as the civil war in Syria.
He did meet with the Saudi foreign minister, Saud al-Falzal, but he was far from the only person that he met with.
of Israel from April 17, 2013, about Obama meeting with the crown prince of UAE.
The article mentions that Obama planned to meet with the leaders from Qatar and Georgia in the coming week, with their meetings having to do with, again, Iran and the civil war in Syria.
Yeah.
unidentified
The other meetings with foreign leaders were largely ignored by folks like Alex and the right-wing media because they didn't have as easy connection to possible conspiracy angle on the bombing.
dan friesen
There was already a quote-unquote anomaly Right, right, right.
jordan holmes
Context is the enemy of lies, I guess.
dan friesen
Sure.
I've mentioned a couple times so far in our Boston bombing coverage how there was a Saudi national who was questioned in the immediate aftermath of the attack and how the media had been asking questions about whether or not this individual had any connection with what had happened and he'd been totally cleared.
No problem.
You know, he wasn't involved.
He was injured in the bombing.
jordan holmes
Right.
Although, admittedly, Crown Prince MBS would go on to cause a lot more problems.
dan friesen
I don't think it was MBS.
jordan holmes
Are you sure?
dan friesen
Who was the one he had a meeting with.
jordan holmes
Okay.
dan friesen
It was not.
jordan holmes
I was talking about the national at the bombing.
Fair enough.
dan friesen
So, look.
One of the things I think is really interesting is that Alex has largely ignored this story up to this point, the reporting on this Saudi national who had been questioned in the hospital when they found him after he had been injured.
Either way, now Alex is picking up this thread, so here's what's going on with that.
That was a student who was questioned by the police, and he was never thought to be guilty of a crime, and the idea of him being deported...
Never came up outside of gossip mills and bad right-wing website reporting, which ended up finding its way into the mouth of one of the senators who was questioning Janet Napolitano in the Homeland Security Committee.
jordan holmes
Right.
Because if you elect a Republican, you're dumb and so are they.
dan friesen
This student was actually injured in the bombing, the person who was questioned, and the amount of attention and suspicion directed his way was probably a good example of the media grasping at straws to cover a story that they had no real information about.
On May 24, 2013, the Washington Post reported that that Saudi student had made his first public comments.
Covering an interview that he did with the Islamic Monthly.
He told them, quote, He has continued to receive death threats and hate mail to the degree that he has not moved back to his house or resumed his normal life.
In his words, discussing being at the hospital while being questioned, quote, they were really scared of me.
I'm injured.
I don't have anything.
And they ask me, what do you have in your hand?
All the police officers and the FBI and all the nurses and doctors were staring at me.
I was looking at them like, is it because of the color of my skin or is it because of the name of my country?
jordan holmes
To both.
dan friesen
After his name was leaked to the media and covered so suspiciously and salaciously by the right-wing media, implying that he was being deported as a part of a Saudi cover-up, his life got derailed.
Quote, I don't know if I'm going to continue my studies.
I came in to study my bachelor's.
I have a full scholarship from my country.
I don't know if I'm going to be safe from other people.
Because I lost my privacy.
So that's why I'm really scared.
So it's not an easy thing to forget.
A second student in Massachusetts had been taken in by ICE on an administrative immigration violation because they were in the country to go to school and had not registered for classes.
This was a completely different person.
The situation was 100% unrelated to the bombing, but the right-wing media heard Saudi student twice and just assumed that there couldn't be more than one Saudi student in the school in the Boston area.
It's gotta be the same person.
jordan holmes
I mean, do we really want humans to survive?
Like, honestly?
dan friesen
I would like them to survive with better critical thinking scores.
jordan holmes
Yeah, like, really?
Like, we kind of have it coming.
dan friesen
There are so many big schools around Boston.
There's Boston University, Boston College, Harvard, Emerson, MIT, Northeastern University, and tons more.
jordan holmes
Pretty sure I just heard college.
dan friesen
There are a lot of Saudi Arabian students who come to the U.S. to pursue a degree, mostly due to the King Abdullah Scholarship Program.
The program provides students with free tuition, covers their living expenses, and even pays for a trip back to Saudi Arabia to visit family once a year.
According to NAFSA, the Association of International Educators, quote, in 2012 the United States saw record numbers of Saudi Arabian students enrolled in academic institutions around the country.
The number cited for the 2012-2013 school year in the Chronicle of Higher Education is 107,000 Saudi Arabian students enrolled in U.S. colleges.
jordan holmes
I cannot believe 107,000 people did the Boston bombing together.
That is just so many.
dan friesen
According to these right-wing sources.
jordan holmes
So many.
dan friesen
Yeah.
jordan holmes
How did they all keep it a secret for so long?
dan friesen
According to College Factual, a website that tracks various aspects of colleges to help prospective students determine which school is best for them, three schools in the Boston area are in the top ten for prospective students from Saudi Arabia.
Northeastern University is number two, Boston University is number three, and Harvard is number seven.
One of the qualifications the site used to determine their rankings was, quote, the presence of students from Saudi Arabia on campus.
So it's safe to assume that there were large numbers of Saudi Arabian students in the region at these colleges, and thus one being injured in the Boston bombing and one failing to register for classes makes total sense.
I probably went too far in looking into this particular detail, but I think it's important to clearly show how unfounded and stupid the assumption that's being made here about this, that this is the same person, this student who was questioned and the student who was taken in by ICE for administrative violations.
jordan holmes
I can't think of any time historically where the mob has been wrong, so this is amazing to me.
dan friesen
Look, I just want to point out that these are the sorts of assumptions that these right-wing narratives are being built on.
And they're absurd, if you take any kind of close analysis of it.
Like, you really look at what's being put out.
And so when Janet Napolitano is asked about this, because the guy questioning her in the Homeland Security Committee is asking, like, hey, do you think it's right that we're deporting this person, even if they're not a suspect, they might have information about the bombing?
jordan holmes
Yeah.
dan friesen
And she's, like...
They're obviously not talking about deporting the guy who was questioned, and so she won't answer the question.
She's like, there's so many inaccuracies in that question, I'm not even going to answer that.
And then that's taken as evidence of a cover-up, or she won't even answer the question.
jordan holmes
Excuse me.
dan friesen
It's such a trap.
jordan holmes
I would like to say to the great senator from the state of Montana, you're a fucking idiot.
Shut up.
dan friesen
Sit down.
So Alex gets around to bragging because through his efforts and through, I don't know, the way he's sending Dan Badandi out to harass people at these press conferences, the term false flag has become a very high Google trend.
alex jones
But this is a no-brainer if you study false flags, staged events.
By the way, Adan Salazar has an article going up at Infowars.com showing the analytics from Google on false flag.
It is one of the top terms in America right now, people looking up what a false flag is.
Harry Reid freaked out and said, how dare you say it's a false flag?
They're panicking.
They know more and more people are looking at them.
And I was just watching the governor and all them soaking up.
Like, acting like rock stars, loving the attention right now at the memorial service.
It's truly disgusting.
dan friesen
There's a certain irony to Alex saying that these people who are public servants trying to inform the public are soaking in the attention while he has just said, hey, my sort of trademark term is Google trending.
And we had a Don Salazar, who unfortunately no longer follows us on Twitter.
jordan holmes
Oh, yeah.
If you're still listening, though, buddy, you're still a piece of shit.
dan friesen
Shout out.
unidentified
Yeah.
dan friesen
He's written an article about how we have good Google trends.
jordan holmes
Yes.
Great.
dan friesen
I feel like that's the exact sort of navel-gazing that he's accusing the governor of Boston of doing.
jordan holmes
Right, right, right.
dan friesen
Which seems a little bit crass.
jordan holmes
Well, self-awareness is one of the things that on the resume, if you put that for an Infowars application, they will light your resume on fire and find you.
dan friesen
Yeah.
jordan holmes
And then punch you in the face.
dan friesen
It's disqualified.
jordan holmes
Cannot have self-awareness.
dan friesen
So the night before this, on the night of the 17th, there was an explosion in Texas.
And it's kind of interesting, the way that Alex is covering it.
unidentified
Because you'd think it would be the biggest deal.
jordan holmes
Yeah, it would be a false flag by the cops, I would assume.
dan friesen
Or, yeah, the globalists are doing something.
unidentified
Yeah, yeah, yeah.
dan friesen
You would think.
unidentified
But instead, he doesn't seem to cover it that much.
dan friesen
There's a dismissiveness to Alex's approach to this, which I find really interesting.
But if you're paying attention to, it's very sarcastic.
It's very much a, like, he thinks that this is a false flag, but he's pretending, like, it's so obviously a false flag that he's being, like, eh about it.
It's a shitty tone.
alex jones
And we are going to be breaking down all of the massive news that has been unfolding on the Second Amendment front with the fertilizer factory up by Waco exploding spectacularly and killing between 10 and 70 people.
There's different numbers coming out.
Incidentally, there's a big statewide drill going on yesterday and today there with helicopters and ambulances and everything at the nearby hospital, but probably just fertilizer catching on fire and exploding.
So all of this is obviously important, but the magnitude of what we are about to cover here today is of undoubtedly, undoubtedly is the culmination of 18 years of my work.
dan friesen
Oh, no.
Oh, wow.
This is my career.
jordan holmes
Can't.
Gotta focus.
Gotta focus on this one.
I'm finally right for the first time.
I know for sure that the Fertilizer Factory was a fertilizer explosion.
dan friesen
It's all been building up to this.
jordan holmes
Can't lie about that.
So this one, I'm right on.
Let's fucking do it!
dan friesen
No, but if you listen to that closely, he's saying it was clearly fertilizer.
jordan holmes
Oh, no, for sure.
dan friesen
To say it was not.
jordan holmes
No, for sure.
dan friesen
He's saying there was a fucking statewide drill going on all that.
That's obviously saying it's a false flag.
jordan holmes
Right.
No, I understand that.
I mean, like, it's just I know I'm going to be lying about that.
Whereas with this one, I think I'm telling the truth.
dan friesen
And I don't have time to lie about this right now.
jordan holmes
Yeah, exactly.
dan friesen
So I got to put that on the back burner for later.
jordan holmes
That's what I think.
dan friesen
So like I said, on the night of the 17th, the fire broke out at this fertilizer plant.
And approximately 20 minutes later, the whole thing blew up.
In an explosion so large that it registered 2.1 on the Richter scale.
15 people were killed and at least 200 were injured.
Not to even consider the amount of property damage to surrounding homes.
Woof.
unidentified
One of them was an old folks home that a lot of people got hurt there.
Cool, cool, cool, cool.
dan friesen
What exactly happened here is actually still a matter of intense debate.
The ATF released the results of their investigation in May 2016, which concluded that the fire that had led to the explosion was determined to have been set intentionally.
Some critics have claimed that this conclusion is inappropriate since they feel that the ATF only decided that because they couldn't give any other explanation for how the fire had started.
I'm not entirely sure which side I think has the better point.
You would assume that if the ATF would make the determination that the fire was arson, they'd only do that in the case of them having excluded other possibilities?
It seems unlikely that they would do a years-long investigation and declare something intentional without considering those other possibilities.
That said, to this day, no specific explanation is known, and no one has been arrested for the fire, so it's really anyone's guess.
jordan holmes
That's weird.
dan friesen
What exactly happened there, yeah.
jordan holmes
Man, I mean...
You gotta be pretty stoked if you get away with blowing up a fertilizer factory and nobody knows why.
dan friesen
Sure.
I don't know.
Stoked, I would say guilty.
jordan holmes
I would say that's Ocean's Eleven planning is what I'm saying.
dan friesen
I would feel tortured, probably, if I got away with that.
jordan holmes
I mean, if you want to blow up a fertilizer factory, you can't feel tortured about it when you do.
dan friesen
Well, I don't know.
Maybe you could.
unidentified
That's true.
dan friesen
I guess if it's your goal to do it, you'd probably be like, wow.
jordan holmes
Woohoo!
unidentified
Woohoo!
dan friesen
So something that leads me to suspect human involvement was an article in Reuters where they discussed police records involving the plant that they'd looked over from the past 12 years.
Apparently, the plant was a very frequent target for the theft of chemicals, since anhydrous ammonia that is in their fertilizer is also something people use to cook meth.
jordan holmes
Right.
dan friesen
From Reuters, quote, according to a 2002 crime report, a plant manager told the police that intruders were stealing four to five gallons of anhydrous ammonia every three days.
jordan holmes
Holy shit!
jakari jackson
Yeah.
jordan holmes
That's a lot!
dan friesen
Yeah.
And consistent.
jordan holmes
That's some good math!
dan friesen
And the problem here, Jordan, is that they didn't ramp up security in response to these regular break-ins.
Reuters found at least 11 reports of burglaries and, quote, five separate ammonia leaks at the plant in the prior 12 years.
jordan holmes
Okay, well, I'm gonna go with inside job.
dan friesen
Or just people who would come in to try and steal shit.
They'd also, like, mess with the valves and stuff.
jordan holmes
For sure, for sure.
Why not?
dan friesen
There's so many possibilities in terms of, like, oh, there's a lot of people who weren't supposed to be here who seem to be coming here a lot to steal chemicals.
But none of that's conclusive, but it would seem to indicate a bit of a pattern of negligence at the part of the plant to secure their facility, which would leave it open to either an arsonist or someone trying to steal shit who just makes a huge mistake that ends up.
jordan holmes
Yeah, it sounds more like if we're dealing with chemicals to cook meth, I'm leaning more towards the guy came in and was like...
unidentified
Oh, fuck.
jordan holmes
I fucked that up.
And boom!
dan friesen
Recklessness is entirely possible, but still, ugh.
I'm not sure what happened here other than it was a horrible tragedy for the people of West Texas, the city of West.
It was absolutely unrelated to the Boston bombing, and I have a strong suspicion that Alex is being, like I said, facetious when he says it was just fertilizer catching on fire.
I think he does think that it's related.
Otherwise, why would he bring up this alleged drill that took place?
I can find literally zero evidence that there was a hospital drill there at the time.
An article in Nurse.com discusses how the medical staff at Hillcrest Baptist Medical Center and Providence Health Center dealt with the chaotic and traumatic situation with a near heroic level of poise.
The two hospitals had to treat hundreds of extra patients with a range of injuries, more or less all at once.
They worked effectively as a team, and Heather Branch, the assistant manager of the Hillcrest Hospital Emergency Department, said, quote, it was a life-changing experience.
We'll forever know that no matter what disaster rolls through the doors, we will always be there for each other.
One of the reasons they were able to operate so effectively as a team and able to treat victims so effectively is that a year prior, they had been part of a drill that recreated an emergency situation like this, which involved hospitals from the surrounding five counties.
It involved inter-hospital cooperation, which was an essential piece of the response to the fertilizer plant explosion.
Eileen Bohannon, the Emergency Department Director at Providence Health Center, said, quote, What we learned from previous drills were put into place for this, and I cannot tell you how smoothly it ran.
The only reality to the idea that there were hospital drills involved in the actual location that was affected by this is that a year prior, nurses and doctors learned immensely valuable lessons about teamwork and crisis management that they were able to put into action that literally saved lives.
jordan holmes
Yeah, if you do drills, that means you're setting up a false flag.
If you don't do drills and you fail miserably, that means the globalists fucking tried to destroy you.
I hate these people so much, but thank God they did that drill.
That's amazing.
unidentified
Amazing.
jordan holmes
That's really cool.
dan friesen
Yeah.
Now, it's very interesting to see the actual fruits of the drill.
jordan holmes
Yeah.
dan friesen
To see these people were able to do this triage so effectively.
And the article's talking about how like...
Some of the people that were coming in that were needing treatment were people that they knew.
And so people were crying.
Nurses were breaking down in the middle of it, and people would tag in.
You'd be able to go cry in the other room for five minutes, and no one's judging each other because they understand that this is a human part of the response, and there's a job that needs to be done.
You also have to accommodate people who are having a difficult time with the job.
You wouldn't be able to do that so effectively had it not been for the consideration of that training.
jordan holmes
Oh, yeah.
Imagine somebody you know coming in with a broken arm and you happen to be like, Hey, you're fucking...
You're nowhere near as important as these 40 people, and you have to just say, sit in there.
I know you're my friend, and maybe you won't talk to me as much after this, but...
dan friesen
It'd be very difficult.
jordan holmes
I gotta save lives, yo.
dan friesen
Now, later in the episode, actually more information comes up about this, so I might as well just talk about this now.
It's clarified that they're not talking about that drill from a year ago.
No.
unidentified
Although...
dan friesen
The hospitals that were affected and actually in the area of this fertilizer plant explosion, that's the only drill that's relevant to them.
Alex and his people are actually talking about a drill that did not affect those hospitals.
There was an emergency preparedness drill planned for April 18, 2013, at the North Hills Medical Center, but it was canceled because of the explosion on the night of the 17th.
Now, this might be interesting if North Hills Medical Center was in Waco or in West, but it's not.
It's 80 miles north in North Richland Hills, Texas, a suburb of Fort Worth.
This game is so fucking sad.
You see how flimsy this shit is, and you realize that there's nothing you can do.
There's nothing you can do to correct this.
If you think a drill at a hospital 80 miles away on the wrong day is somehow cause for suspicion of whether or not this explosion is real or the work of the globalists, you're almost certainly past the point of getting back to reality.
And that's why Alex doesn't speak in specifics.
jordan holmes
Right, right, right.
dan friesen
Because he would know that this shit is fucking weak as hell.
jordan holmes
I don't know, an hour and ten minute drive isn't that big a deal.
You could set up a drill 80 miles north, throw people off your scent, drive an hour and ten minutes south, blow up a factory, get back up there, and be like, we gotta cancel the drill.
dan friesen
Bullshit.
jordan holmes
Easy stuff.
dan friesen
Nope.
jordan holmes
Easy stuff.
dan friesen
Nope.
jordan holmes
I'm not saying I've planned one before.
I'm just saying that...
dan friesen
It invalidates Alex's conspiracies, quite frankly.
jordan holmes
Of course.
dan friesen
So now we get to Alex talking about these pictures some more that he found on 4chan.
And it's interesting the way he needs to really strengthen this argument.
Because I think maybe when he got off air, he kind of realized, like, you know what?
Those are just pictures that we found on 4chan.
jordan holmes
Right.
dan friesen
We might need to really dress this up and make it look like this is some really official shit.
alex jones
I think the best way to go over this today is to start at the beginning of what happened.
Anonymous, and that's all they want to be known as.
Anonymous has contacted us as well, and it is a real group affiliated with White Hat Anonymous.
And said, have you seen this data dump of photos and videos?
This shows what appears to be Navy SEALs.
And that was in one of their data dumps I hadn't even gotten to yet.
And I saw it was Navy SEALs.
And it shows what looks like Saudi nationals.
And it shows what looks like the Patsies.
And sure enough, it's dead on analysis.
It shows the redneck Patsies.
dan friesen
So it's now some white hat intelligence operatives who are operating as anonymous, who have sent him this...
Data dump.
jordan holmes
Sure.
dan friesen
As opposed to Paul Joseph Watson was lurking on an anonymous message board and found some pictures with squiggly lines drawn on them.
jordan holmes
They set it up in our digital dropbox.
dan friesen
Yeah, it's pretty crazy.
jordan holmes
Yeah.
dan friesen
So as the time has gone on now, Alex has only become more convinced that he is leading the media and that the media is in fact scared.
Of what he's doing on air.
And I would say that there's probably some truth to that.
Like, I think right-thinking people who are aware of what he was doing...
jordan holmes
Oh, I'm very scared of what he's doing on air.
dan friesen
Yeah, scared of the effect that this could have.
But I don't think they're scared in terms of he's blowing our cover or anything.
I think they're like, uh-oh.
jordan holmes
Hey, he's got a guy calling for treason.
unidentified
Are we?
Okay?
jordan holmes
I don't think...
unidentified
Not just calling for treason, calling for armed treason.
dan friesen
Cologne actors.
jordan holmes
Okay, cool.
Cool, cool, cool, cool.
dan friesen
So Alex is certain that he does something, media response.
unidentified
Sure.
alex jones
And I want to explain something.
They monitor this show.
That's on record.
Five minutes after we broke this yesterday at noon central, high noon, I walked out and had three TVs on.
Two in here and one in the pantry, in the break room.
And I watched CNN and MSNBC.
The reporters, while their guests were talking, getting messages in their ears, and I saw the adrenaline rush, like when you catch burglars in your house or something.
And I knew what was about to come out of their mouth, and I ran back in here and I said, watch this.
And I knew what they were going to say next out of their mouth, because live time, they were listening to us just five minutes later.
And Blitzer goes, they've now arrested a suspect, and they've got photos.
They're going to be releasing photos.
Very soon.
And I went on air and I said, I just saw them freak out.
They're going to release photos.
But I said, if they're smart, and I guess they were listening to that, they actually won't because now we're going to be able to point out everybody else in the other photos, the Navy SEALs, the...
The Saudis that were getting ready to go with the good old boy angle, the liberal media run by the White House, MSNBC, Media Matters, all of them, had already come out and said, it will be a white person, it's a lone wolf.
Janet Napolitano had said that.
Axelrod, the fix was in.
And ladies and gentlemen, we blew their op.
dan friesen
He's convinced.
Completely blown the op.
jordan holmes
Man, that's one of those things where I almost just want to be like, okay.
And then just, like, fine.
unidentified
Unfortunately, you and I are probably the only people who can't respond that way.
dan friesen
Everyone else can just be like, alright, Alex, go ahead.
jordan holmes
It's just like, ah, that's so terrible.
No one is listening to you!
dan friesen
I think actually a lot of people are now, but not the imagined globalists.
In hindsight, this whole thing is really easy to see through as a transparent display of narcissism and a guy being wrong.
The easiest way to put it is that Alex thinks that he's way ahead of this story when he's nowhere near anything real.
The only thing I think is important to point out here is that Alex is once again massaging facts from the day prior in order to make it look like he called everything.
First, the announcement that the FBI had photos was made prior to the erroneous announcement that an arrest had been made.
It makes little sense for them to announce those two things simultaneously, as if they're saying we captured the guy and took some pictures for you.
This is a blurring of the timeline Alex is using to make it seem like the mainstream media was in even greater disarray and chaos than they actually were, because that's the image he needs to present.
He needs you to think that they had legitimately no idea what to do because Alex was blowing the case wide open and their response was completely nonsensical coverage.
The second thing is that he never predicted that CNN was going to announce they had photos.
He may have said that off-air.
I guess I can't prove that he didn't, but he never said that on-air.
Alex was completely surprised when CNN made their announcement and freaking out himself.
Third, he did predict that they would need to come up with new photos of people to pin the attack on because Alex had blown the case wide open.
And this, I guess, could be an interpretation of the FBI releasing photos of completely different people than Alex was talking about.
Another possibility, which I think is infinitely more likely, is that the FBI had zeroed in on the actual culprits while Alex was playing detective with a bunch of random idiots on 4chan, and ultimately they were not talking about the same photos at all.
This is where Alex's groundwork becomes so amazingly important.
On the last episode, we heard him say at least twice that although he had figured out this entire case and he was right about everything, there's a chance that the globalists would change their plans.
That single caveat is so crucial to his ability to sustain being wrong all the time while pretending he's always right.
If he's able to construct a reality where he's always right...
And evidence that contradicts his predictions and narratives is just the globalists changing their plans because he's too right.
There's ultimately nothing you can do to disprove him.
He's crafted an inescapable box for his audience to live in.
And that's a really shitty thing for him to do ever.
But particularly in response to a large national tragedy like this.
It's monstrous.
jordan holmes
Yeah.
His retconning reminds me so much of In the Loop.
Have you ever seen that movie?
dan friesen
I've heard.
Oh, wait.
jordan holmes
Armando Iannucci.
He's the guy who did The Thick of It.
dan friesen
I thought you were talking about that movie that starred the guys from NSYNC.
jordan holmes
No, no, no.
unidentified
Not that one.
dan friesen
I think that's also called In the Loop.
jordan holmes
Was that from Justin DeKelley?
Was that the one?
unidentified
No.
dan friesen
That's from American Idol.
jordan holmes
No, there was this...
They were having this meeting in the government to...
It's like a thinly veiled thing about the Iraq...
Not even thinly veiled, it is.
And this guy is directing his aide to rewrite the notes from the meeting.
And he's said something so chilling which is just like, it doesn't matter what was said.
What matters is what should have been said.
And he's rewriting the whole thing, and it's like, that is such Alex the next day.
It doesn't matter what I did say.
This is what I meant to have said.
And that's all that matters.
dan friesen
And now it's canon.
jordan holmes
Yeah, exactly.
dan friesen
And that's not okay to do when you try to pass yourself off as a psychic.
It's fine if you're just like, hey, I'm a guy who rewrites my past predictions in order to make them match what happens.
So in that last clip, we heard him say that Wolf Blitzer came on and said that they'd made an arrest and they have photos, blurring the timeline a bit.
And now it's clear in this next clip, from just a tiny bit after that, Alex is clear that the photo announcement came before the botched and erroneous announcement of an arrest.
alex jones
And sure enough, he says right out of his mouth, well, they've got some photos of some of the suspects right there near the finish line.
They're going to be releasing.
They need our help with.
And then by the next break, they talked about the arrest.
They were like, well, let's hurry up then and just roll out our John Doe number one, the redneck.
But see, then they went, no, you can't do that.
Everyone's already got the photos.
dan friesen
Alex is just making all of that up.
He's assuming what was going on in a place he has zero information about.
He's assuming that he knows everything about what was going on with the people behind the scenes at CNN.
That's important to point out repeatedly.
He's just making this up.
jordan holmes
Completely.
dan friesen
He has nothing to base this on.
jordan holmes
Yeah, well, of course he is, because we all know that Wolf Blitzer can only say Wolf Blitzer.
He's like a Pokemon.
Just some people understand him.
He just always says, Wolf Blitzer, Wolf Blitzer.
dan friesen
They teach you that in Israeli intelligence, which Alex believes Wolf Blitzer is a part of.
jordan holmes
How to read Wolf Blitzer.
dan friesen
Uh-huh.
So I believe that Alex is dwelling in a state of very financially lucrative delusions at this stretch.
He has another take on it.
alex jones
You're seeing, like, a spy movie on air right now.
That's what's going on here.
This is just completely and totally unprecedented in the history of media.
dan friesen
I played that also to show that he's saying unprecedented a bunch.
jordan holmes
We're on an unprecedented number of unprecedented.
dan friesen
I believe that you could argue that this is like a spy movie playing out on air, but it's a spy movie that Alex is writing.
unidentified
Yeah.
dan friesen
And it's fiction.
jordan holmes
Right, right, right.
dan friesen
So that's...
Misleading and really abusive to his audience.
jordan holmes
I mean, you could say that War of the Worlds was an alien invasion being played out on air.
Yeah, absolutely.
Didn't happen, but yeah.
dan friesen
So Alex gets back to talking about the Anonymous that sent him the data dump here.
And he seems to think that they're...
Good guys in, like, the CIA or the FBI.
jordan holmes
Sure, why not?
dan friesen
Their intelligence community good guys.
jordan holmes
Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah.
alex jones
Anonymous sends us this info.
And then the disinfo ops come out and say, oh, well, maybe the government wanted this stuff out.
This stuff had been out on Twitter and Facebook for days.
We went yesterday and took the images that Anonymous sent us.
And that Watson discovered, and we're now in contact with them.
We took the images, ran it through a Google image search to find where they originally came from.
It will show you the originator, for those that don't know.
That's been out for a couple years.
And we found the Facebooks in places where people had just uploaded this.
So they went out, probably intelligence people that don't like what's happening, grabbed all this, sent it to us, and said, here it is, okay, Jones?
And then we put it out, and then Drudge picked it up, and it was all over.
The beginning of the collapse of the cover-up then began last night when Drudge linked to us.
dan friesen
Good job, Drudge.
jordan holmes
Yeah, thanks, Drudge.
dan friesen
So, he believes that these are good guys in intelligence who hate the false flags that are going on, so they got all the data dumped, sent it to Alex, and they're like, go ahead, Jones, broadcast it.
jordan holmes
I think it's so funny to me.
Them, him announcing that they did a Google image search was me, was like...
That is the most research they have ever admitted actually happening on this show.
unidentified
And I honestly don't even believe that it's true.
They just went to a couple Facebook pages of their friends.
dan friesen
I think Alex just knows that Google Image Search exists.
jordan holmes
Right, right, right.
dan friesen
I think that's all that's happening here.
So at this point, Alex is now kind of, because the questioning of Janet Napolitano involved questions about this Saudi Arabian national that was supposedly going to be deported, who's being conflated with the guy who was injured in the bombing, the talk of Saudi nationals has now become much more popular in the conspiracy world.
And so now Alex is starting to build a case that it's probably going to get pinned on Saudi Arabians.
alex jones
They are completely and totally freaked out.
And they should be, because here's the deal.
Emergency meeting with the Saudi foreign minister.
They announced they're going to deport.
Now they're all freaking out this Saudi who was there, but saying he's not a suspect.
Now they're having to show what looks like the Saudis.
You watch, it's going to be Saudis.
Now they're freaking out about that and saying, well, they're not suspects, but we want to know, because they have to, because everybody on the Internet's already seen this.
dan friesen
That's not a necessary thing for them to do.
unidentified
No, no.
dan friesen
People on the internet having seen out-of-context images that they've created a narrative out of does not really have an impact on an investigation that's real.
So Alex is saying it's going to be the Saudis.
jordan holmes
Yeah.
Yeah.
I think it has the same level of...
Truth to it as a rumor in 2013 that Jennifer Aniston and Brad Pitt were getting back together.
I think they were right on the same level.
dan friesen
It's as relevant to anything.
jordan holmes
Well, we saw them eating dinner one night.
dan friesen
And it's also not true.
This prediction turns out to not be accurate.
I was saying, I think they're going to go with Saudis.
Nope, they didn't.
jordan holmes
And Brad and Jennifer never got back together.
dan friesen
Well, what a tragedy.
jordan holmes
Yeah, it is sad.
dan friesen
So, in this next clip, Alex asserts that yesterday, on the 17th, they were all set to blame white gun owners.
alex jones
I mean, this is unbelievable.
And they were going to blame gun owners yesterday.
They were going to have their press conference.
They were going to roll out the Patsy.
Let's see the Patsy.
It was actually two of them.
Let's see the Beavis and Butthead central casting achy-breaky heart look-alike mullet guy.
Who's also got a backpack that matches the one that actually exploded with the strap.
dan friesen
So Alex is just certain that yesterday they were going to blame that guy.
He was going to be the patsy.
It all got blown up in their face because of Alex's reporting.
And now they're having to shift who they're going to pin it on.
He's saying now it's going to be the Saudis, probably because he saw the cover of the New York Post, assumed it's the same as the DHS and FBI photos.
It's very simple to see through.
What's going on here.
This is very bad work.
unidentified
Yeah.
dan friesen
But one of the elements that he's using that is mixed up in his narrative is that on the 17th, they had a bomb scare and a bomb threat that got called into the courthouse that ended up making them cancel the press conference they were going to hold that day.
alex jones
Right.
dan friesen
He's determined that he knows why that happened.
alex jones
And they were going to roll him out yesterday, but didn't.
Then they had to evacuate the courthouse to get the press out to take this guy out the back door.
And he's probably in cement shoes right now.
This is unbelievable.
Ladies and gentlemen, we have blown a major New World operation sky high.
Oh my, it's unbelievable.
dan friesen
Unbelievable.
jordan holmes
It is unbelievable.
unidentified
That's true.
dan friesen
I don't believe it.
jordan holmes
I think it's impossible to believe.
dan friesen
So, first thing here, Alex has literally no reason to think that this white guy in the photos that he found on 4chan, and he's decided is the chosen patsy for the globalists to blame, is dead.
He has literally zero reason to think that the police ever even talked to that guy.
To be clear, the only thing that connects him to being in any way important to this story is internet rumor and Alex's fantasies.
This is the definition of terrible work on Alex's part.
I don't know who this white guy in these pictures is.
And I don't particularly want to dig too deep into it to try and find out.
Everything I can find leads me to believe that he is just a private citizen who is at the marathon, who became a central focus on the internet's witch hunt, largely motivated by Alex Jones' desperate need to validate his fears that a white person was going to be blamed for the bombing.
Until anyone can prove that he is anything other than a marathon attendee who happened to have a backpack, I believe he deserves his privacy.
And I wouldn't violate that even to prove Alex Jones wrong.
But, there's a more important aspect to this, and that is that wherever this guy was in the days after the bombing, he was very likely not aware, or maybe he was aware, that pictures of him were being spread all over the internet, implying that he was involved in a plan to murder and maim his fellow citizens.
All evidence seems to indicate that he was a victim of this attack, and that he was there when the attack happened.
I'm not necessarily sure that he got injured or whatever he might have been.
I don't know.
But anyone who was there, I consider a victim of this tragedy.
jordan holmes
Yeah, absolutely.
dan friesen
And instead of being left to process his experience and move on with his life, he's now being blamed for the very thing he just unfortunately had to live through.
And I don't know what his experience with that was like.
But from the account of that Saudi Arabian student we discussed earlier, you have to assume that it wasn't a positive experience.
Going from experiencing the terror of a terrorist attack to immediately having unfounded suspicion thrown your way is going to be a difficult thing for anyone to go through.
As I mentioned in the intro, on April 18th, the New York Post ran that cover story with an image of two other people that were gathering internet suspicion with the text, quote, The problem was that they'd gotten this.
It was the wrong picture.
And the one they ran wasn't the one that the FBI was set to release or anything that the DHS had announced.
But in a frenzy to be the first to report, they committed an egregious act of journalistic malfeasance.
This picture that they had published had been circulated by law enforcement, but it wasn't in the context that these two were suspects.
Also, other emails that were later produced clearly said that these men were, quote, not of interest, and that their being singled out was based on, quote, bogus intel.
In October 2014, the New York Post would settle a defamation lawsuit for this cover for an undisclosed amount.
But something it is so important to not lose sight of is how damaging these actions are to the people who are the subject of them.
The Washington Post reported on one of the men featured on the New York Post cover, who was only 17 years old.
His father said, quote, his son now only sleeps one or two hours a night and sometimes refuses to go to school.
This kind of fuck-up is deeply traumatic to the people who end up having internet mobs track them down, or they can't go to school without everyone thinking they were a part of a plot to kill civilians.
As we criticize Alex's coverage, it's important to point out things like this, like that the New York Post did, because if we didn't, it would be slightly dishonest.
jordan holmes
They got sued to fucking oblivion, right?
dan friesen
Not to oblivion, and it's an undisclosed amount, so I don't know how much they gave, but that's exactly the important thing that's the other side of it.
As we criticize the media like them for their horrible errors, there's a distinction that the New York Post apologized and got sued for this.
Alex Jones isn't held to those same standards.
He relishes acting in this destructive way, and he does it with impunity.
For me, that's a very relevant difference.
As for the courthouse, that was only evacuated briefly because of a bomb threat that turned out to not be real.
The thing here is that the only thing Alex has to base his theory that they did this evacuation to quietly take the white patsy out the back door, the only thing that's based on is his own thoughts.
There's literally nothing else supporting this.
He can't prove even a basic piece of this theory, and it's just embarrassing.
It's made even worse by the fact that at the same time they evacuated that courthouse, the police also evacuated one of the plazas in front of the entrance to Brigham and Women's Hospital in Boston, which Alex weirdly doesn't bring up.
Alex has his explanation that's based on literally nothing except paranoid delusions, whereas the reality seems a lot like this is a city that just suffered a bombing, and they're taking any bomb threats pretty seriously, whether or not they're definitely credible.
And that interferes with government business.
It interferes with police business.
jordan holmes
I can't imagine that first text.
You wake up in the morning and somebody texts you and they're like, the internet thinks you did it.
That's just like...
It makes you almost want everybody to have a fucking kill switch for all of their social media profiles that just scrubs them clean and a fucking bug out bag.
dan friesen
Right, but then the internet just thinks you're even more suspicious.
jordan holmes
Yeah, that's fine.
Bug out, get to fucking Nova Scotia and stay there for a year.
dan friesen
Yeah, it's terrifying to imagine.
You can't do anything.
You can't come out and say, I'm innocent.
You get more suspicion on you.
You just got to let it blow over and hope no one doxes you and finds your address or something.
jordan holmes
You got to lay low for a while.
dan friesen
Yeah.
jordan holmes
That's awful.
dan friesen
So in this next clip, Alex pretends that he had predicted that it would be the Saudis already.
jordan holmes
Of course.
dan friesen
Which I don't believe is true based on my listening of these episodes.
But I'll let him have his after-the-fact predictions, I guess.
alex jones
And remember, folks, I said before all this happened yesterday.
I said, you watch, they're going to come out and say the Saudis are the people with these photos, and then a day later, the photos we break that we show you, and the drudge amplifies.
Homeland Security comes out and says, here's the person of interest, and it's the very stills and photos we showed you yesterday, and no media gives us credit instead of making fun of us and attacking us.
dan friesen
Alex is very needy.
On this episode, if you hadn't noticed.
unidentified
Yeah.
dan friesen
He really wants a pat on the head for doing this great reporting.
jordan holmes
I mean, if he does a good job for the first time, he really wants people to have to, like, sit down and be like, fine, this one time, you win, great, we'll give you this one.
dan friesen
No, he wants his own parade.
jordan holmes
Yeah, of course.
dan friesen
That's what he wants.
He wants everyone to, like, be like, God, you have been right all along, Alex.
jordan holmes
Right, right, right, right.
dan friesen
You have validated years of bullshit with this.
This breaks the case.
And initially, I had no idea what Alex was talking about, this idea that the DHS released the same photos that he was rambling about.
So I've looked into it, and I can't find any indication that the DHS had released any photos of the suspects up until this point.
The furthest they'd gone was that Janet Napolitano had testified that they did have photos of the suspects.
From further digging, I know that Alex is just talking about the New York Post story.
I consulted the InfoWars website and found that on April 18th, Paul Joseph Watson posted an article titled Breaking...
Police confirm Infowars photos of Boston suspects.
Which is all just about the New York Post cover.
They're making this faulty assumption that that is the confirmed police photo.
jordan holmes
Okay.
dan friesen
It's very unlike Infowars to make corrections.
But I think it's because the New York Post did get sued for this.
jordan holmes
Right.
dan friesen
And that might explain why this article includes an editor's note.
Quote...
The above photo was originally given to the New York Post by the FBI as persons of interest.
A day later, the FBI said that they were no longer persons of interest.
That, of course, means that the police did not confirm Infowars photos, and this article is total bullshit.
However, it does clarify for me that this is absolutely what Alex is talking about when he imagines that the DHS had the same pictures as him.
One important thing to point out here, though, is that the picture on the cover of the New York Post is absolutely not the same ones that Alex has been obsessing about.
jordan holmes
That was my first issue.
dan friesen
It's not the same thing.
Alex is very focused on the white patsy and the guys that he's decided they're Marines, whereas the Post cover had these two Moroccan gentlemen, one of whom...
Doesn't even have a backpack on.
He has a shoulder strap bag.
The FBI would go on to release the images of the suspects taken from surveillance cameras on April 18th in the afternoon.
But like I said, it's an afternoon press conference, so that hasn't happened by the time Alex is here on air talking about photos being released.
This is all probably another negative result of the New York Post cover.
Alex has decided it's an official DHS release, and now he's worked it into his narratives, further reinforcing the idea that he's right about everything.
It's real simple, but it's one of those things like the path is really windy, but it's not hard to walk if you just look at it.
jordan holmes
Right, right, right, right.
dan friesen
It's not much of a maze.
jordan holmes
You could just take it down, man.
You don't have to leave an editor's note there.
I mean, you should leave an editor's note there, but you should take the article down off of InfoWars.
You can't write an article confirming you're correct with an editor's note saying we were wrong!
dan friesen
Right.
jordan holmes
That can't be!
dan friesen
And it's super rare on Infowars.
I've found so many articles where they're just straight up 100% wrong about things.
They've just left up.
No editor's notes, nothing.
I have to think it's just because of the lawsuit.
Yeah.
Let's make sure we're not even close to...
jordan holmes
The tiniest correction.
unidentified
Yeah, yeah, yeah.
dan friesen
So at this point, Alex repeats a little bit of internet rumor about...
This is one of those conspiracy spaghetti against the wall things.
unidentified
Yeah, yeah.
jordan holmes
Jennifer and Brad are getting back together.
dan friesen
Sure.
alex jones
Did you know that the marathon ended, the tape ended at, what is it, 666 Boyd Street?
Okay.
All right.
Boylston Street.
666 Boylston Street.
I mean, just the weirdness of all of this.
And so many times stuff like this happens.
You know, that's the psychopaths leaving their little calling card for you right there.
dan friesen
Ah, the devil.
So if Alex thinks it's worth reporting that the marathon ended at 666 Boylston Street, I have some bad news about Jared Kushner's property on Fifth Avenue.
Don't look into that, Alex.
If you look up this bit of non-trivia about the marathon ending at 666 Boylston, you'll find a bunch of very reputable sources picking up the story after the 18th, probably in response to Alex amplifying it.
We're talking about ufoblogger.com.
We're talking about usahitman.com.
We're talking about galacticconnection.com.
You know, all the heavy hitters of hard-hitting news.
unidentified
Right, right, right.
jordan holmes
And the New York Post, of course.
dan friesen
Wouldn't put it past them.
jordan holmes
Right?
dan friesen
However, if you track down where this tidbit was being reported earlier than April 18th, there's only one outlet.
And thus, it clearly has to be where Alex is taking this information from.
It's a little bullshit website called beforeitsnews.com.
Before its news was started in 2008, possibly with good intentions, as a place where any citizen journalist out there could post news items they thought needed more coverage.
Naturally, this quickly became a favored place for completely insane people to masquerade their nonsense as journalism.
Anybody who would take this place as a credible place to find information is a complete hack or delusional.
Just for fun, I decided to look back and see what Before It's News was running, as some of their front page stories at the time when Alex must have taken this 666 show from them.
jordan holmes
I'm telling you, somebody was a lizard in these.
dan friesen
Unfortunately, there's no snapshot in the Wayback Machine from the 18th.
But there is one from the 19th, and here are some of their headlines.
Quote, time travelers are among us!
Exclamation point.
jordan holmes
Called it.
dan friesen
Quote, Planet X, Nabooru, hard evidence.
jordan holmes
I don't think that evidence is that hard.
dan friesen
Quote, alien implant found in Napoleon's skull!
Exclamation point.
jordan holmes
Okay.
I like the exclamation point.
That one might even require two.
dan friesen
And this one's a little tougher.
Quote, the riddle of the Jews, the most profound mystery in the world.
jordan holmes
I know that's going to be bad.
dan friesen
I went and read it, and it's bad.
jordan holmes
I know that one's going to be bad.
Of all the headlines, that one is the most ambiguous about whether or not...
You could see it fall one way or the other, but you know it's going to be bad.
dan friesen
It's bad.
jordan holmes
It's going to be bad.
dan friesen
It's not good.
jordan holmes
The riddle of the Jews.
Jesus.
dan friesen
It's very anti-Semitic.
Very.
Oh, man.
And then there's a bunch of coverage about how the Boston bombing is a false flag and a lot of links to Alex's coverage of it.
This is part of that ecosystem.
unidentified
Yeah.
dan friesen
For its news.
So, there's an essential problem with saying that the finishing line of the marathon was at 666 Boylston.
And that is the fact that, by definition, the finish line spans the entire street.
Thus, if one side were at 666 Boylston, the other side would have to be maybe 665 Boylston or 667.
There isn't a, you know...
jordan holmes
Yeah.
dan friesen
This all traces back to a purported Google Earth image that I'm 90% sure is Photoshopped.
Here's the reason I think that.
The image shows a marker saying 666 Boylston in the middle of the street, in the center lane of traffic.
It's indicating that the center of traffic has an address.
The street itself does not have an address.
The buildings do.
So it seems strange to me that the street would be showing up as having a physical street address.
The second issue I have is if you look at Google Maps now and you consult the street view...
You can easily find the finish line of the marathon.
Regardless of whether or not it's marathon season, that line is always painted on the street.
If you look at the side of the street that's evenly numbered, you'll find that the marathon's finish line is pretty closely matched up with the Boston Public Library, whose address is 700 Boylston Street.
The building immediately next to it appears to possibly be a different building, but it's actually just an extension of the Boston Library known as the McKim Building.
It's easily identifiable by its inscription on the side of the building.
Quote, the Commonwealth requires the education of the people as the safeguard of order and liberty.
Ironic, in some ways, based on these people being so dumb spreading these theories.
The McKim Building is the home of a lot of, like, research collections, and it's a goddamn gorgeous piece of architecture, particularly inside.
Oh, it looks so cool.
The McKim Building's physical address is 230 Dartmouth Street, as the main entrance is on the intersecting street, Dartmouth.
jordan holmes
Sure, sure, sure.
dan friesen
There is no 666 Boylston Street.
These conspiracy theorists could say the finish line is near 665 or 667 Boylston Street, but they know that sounds weak as shit, so they just pretend that this is a real address and it means something.
jordan holmes
You're mistaking it.
Okay, that is in the middle of the street because what's directly underneath 666 Boylston Street is hell.
unidentified
Okay.
jordan holmes
That's the physical address.
Of hell.
And it's in the middle of the street.
unidentified
That happens.
dan friesen
Everyone knows that hell is actually underneath the WWE ring.
jordan holmes
Yeah, that's fair.
dan friesen
Where Kane drags people down there to the hell.
jordan holmes
Right, right, right.
Well, they have a system of tunnels.
dan friesen
Yeah, they pop Kane or other supernatural characters will pop up and drag someone down under the ring.
jordan holmes
Yeah, demons are a lot like gophers.
unidentified
Yeah, yeah.
dan friesen
So it can't be under Boilsome Street, unfortunately.
Good theory.
But we know it's the WWE ring.
jordan holmes
No manhole there?
unidentified
Nothing?
jordan holmes
Ah, shit.
dan friesen
So, this is nothing more than bullshit promoted by a completely crackpot website and then amplified by Alex.
Probably one of the least harmful instances of this whole thing, but stupid nonetheless.
And you'd only be doing shit like this if you wanted to create unnecessary suspicion about bullshit.
jordan holmes
That's like people using the Teenage Mutant Ninja Turtles address as, like, 224 and an eighth?
What is that?
How can I find that?
dan friesen
Like the pizza delivery guy?
unidentified
Yeah, yeah, yeah.
dan friesen
So, in this next clip, Alex is deepening his expressions of how...
Fucking pissed off he is that no one's giving him credit for breaking these pictures ahead of the DHS announcing their pictures, which are obviously the same.
jordan holmes
It would be annoying.
alex jones
And now I looked at Janet Napolitano.
She looked like a deer in the headlights, like she was completely freaked out and on methamphetamine today during the congressional hearing where she said, we do have two photos of men of interest, the photos we showed you yesterday.
I'm going to say that again.
You know the New York Times or CNN or Fox News said, hey, look at these photos we found.
Don't these look suspicious?
They'll show you a guy on the roof all day and say, ooh, who is it?
Who could it be?
Because there it's all blurred and you can't tell.
But for a day, there are these photos and videos and none of them will show it until the government says, now it's okay to show this.
And they show you some photos that we already showed you.
And no one gives us credit.
Instead, there are hundreds of hit pieces saying I'm crazy and dangerous yesterday and today.
You know why I'm crazy and dangerous?
jordan holmes
Yes.
alex jones
Because I've got my head screwed on, ladies and gentlemen, and I'm not stupid.
dan friesen
This is really sad in hindsight.
But it makes sense how he could trick people into thinking this in the moment.
The next day, when the FBI has actually released the pictures, this looks really stupid.
This looks like a child thinking he's right about something and mad that everyone's saying he's wrong.
jordan holmes
Yes, yeah, yeah.
dan friesen
And actually kind of illustrates why people would write hit pieces about him being irresponsible.
Right, right.
Because you were wrong about this.
jordan holmes
Right.
dan friesen
You were putting undue focus on private citizens in a way that's deeply dangerous.
jordan holmes
Yeah, we'll give you credit for fucking the shit up, but you were not right about anything.
dan friesen
Right.
So you get that pat on the head.
jordan holmes
Yeah, no kidding.
dan friesen
So it's not only that now Janet Napolitano, the DHS, all of them have come out with the same pictures that Alex has been reporting on for a day.
They're also now apparently in the congressional record.
unidentified
Okay.
alex jones
And it looks like the Patsy, when you see the explosion, he runs with his clothes half blown off like a cartoon character.
You know, when Yosemite Sam has the bomb go off.
That's what it really looks like when a bomb goes off close to you.
You see him running?
Probably shut up.
That's probably their suspect.
They had him at the courthouse.
They were going to roll him out, and they canceled it.
And again, this is not my speculation.
I told you yesterday that these are the photos of the Saudis.
And then now, today, it's in congressional hearings, the photos of the Saudis.
dan friesen
The congressional hearing is the Janet Napolitano speaking with the Homeland Security Committee in the House.
released then.
She just discussed that there were pictures that they had.
So this is just Alex yelling about nothing.
This is bullshit.
But on our last episode, on the 17th, Specifically for that purpose, I assume.
Well, I mean, it was partially that, but also to give the motive for the false flag.
unidentified
Right, right, right, right.
dan friesen
And now we see the next day that Alex is just parroting that, the exact same motive that Steve Pachenik gave him.
Alex is using it.
alex jones
Also, two days ago, a congressional bipartisan commission said there was a systematic order of torture, including children, by Bush and by Obama, and a deliberate attempt to cover it up and continue to order the military to engage in hardcore, Class A felonies.
Punishable by death, by the way.
That is the punishment for torturing people to death, including children.
dan friesen
Again, this wasn't a bipartisan congressional report that came out.
It was made by a non-governmental organization called the Constitution Project, which was funded.
This specific report was funded by grants from the Rockefellers and the Open Society Soros Foundation.
This is all a lot of bullshit, but Alex is using it.
He's using it as like, they needed to get that out of the headlines.
That's why they did this false flag.
You see all the pieces coming into place.
You get the answers for the why, the how, the who.
And he needs to do it because he's running out of time.
jordan holmes
Yeah, it doesn't matter where you get your ingredients if it helps you make a good soup.
dan friesen
Yep.
And, you know, it's just very...
The thing that's such a bummer about this is, like, it's so easy to see through.
jordan holmes
Yeah.
dan friesen
If you just look at it.
unidentified
Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah.
dan friesen
But it also is, like, I can project back to that time when there's not a lot of information available.
It's such an easy thing to manipulate people about.
unidentified
Right.
dan friesen
It's such a dangerous...
Space to have large groups of people in this high anxiety, high tension state.
jordan holmes
Scary.
Even if you would normally otherwise be able to see directly through this for the transparent bullshit that it is, in a fucking emotional, overridden state, it's just going to hit you before you can really...
Do that.
You've got a mist over your eyes.
You know, you've got the fog of war going on over your eyes.
That kind of situation.
dan friesen
Yeah, and I think it comes back to the same thing where it's like cult recruitment is a lot easier with people who are in vulnerable states of their life.
unidentified
Right, right, right.
dan friesen
Like you just have a breakup or, you know, something like that.
You get kicked out of your house.
Parents kick you out.
It's much easier for nefarious groups to come in and attack.
And in the same way, I think it would, like, I can see how it would be so easy.
For people to be seduced with Alex's conspiracy bullshit that, again, all of this is not based on anything except him looking at pictures and being like, ah, that's what that guy is.
jordan holmes
Right, right, right, right.
dan friesen
This is the perfect time for something like this to happen.
The ingredients are so right for him.
I think that's a lot of the part of why looking at this makes me really anxious is because you can see the variables there.
You can see...
Alex behaving in such a way to suggest that he's aware of that, too.
To suggest that he knows that this is when the tide is coming in.
And I have to act.
jordan holmes
Yeah, I mean, but that's been borne out probably throughout his entire career.
dan friesen
I'm sure it has.
jordan holmes
After every tragedy is his moment to strike.
dan friesen
I'm sure it has, but this is on another level.
jordan holmes
Oh, yeah, yeah, yeah, for sure.
Absolutely.
dan friesen
And it feels...
So clear.
jordan holmes
Yeah.
dan friesen
In a way that other ones that we've looked at haven't been.
jordan holmes
Yeah, yeah, yeah.
dan friesen
And it's...
So the government and the media and the globalists, they're in crisis right now because Alex has busted their whole game.
And this clip is stupid.
alex jones
See, the government right now is having a come-to-Jesus moment.
Because they all play it being tough.
They all play it being evil.
They all play it, doing hardcore stuff, but becoming evil to guard good and that old Machiavellian lie of guard the truth with lies and be more evil than the devil to protect good.
You don't protect good.
You become the devil.
jordan holmes
Sure.
alex jones
And you lose providence when you do that.
You lose God's hedge of protection.
It's a curse on our land to have these leaders.
dan friesen
Would you say that you lose the mandate of heaven?
jordan holmes
You know, that's kind of bestowed on a very touch and go.
dan friesen
Would you say that the leaders lose the mandate of heaven?
Would you say the hedge of God's protection?
jordan holmes
I suppose.
dan friesen
I suppose.
It's funny that Alex now seems to think that's a Chinese thing that Pat Robertson is indoctrinating people with.
It seems very consistent for him.
jordan holmes
Well, the hedge thing is more of a green thumb scenario.
dan friesen
Perhaps, perhaps.
jordan holmes
Chinese don't own green thumbs.
dan friesen
So in this next clip...
unidentified
Do they?
dan friesen
I don't know.
So Alex, in this next clip, he teases that he's got a message for the globalists.
alex jones
Sure.
dan friesen
Because he knows that they're listening.
And this is kind of fun, but also, I should tell you, he never gives his message to the globalists.
alex jones
And later, at the start of the next hour...
I want to talk to the globalists.
I thought about this this morning in a moment of clarity.
unidentified
I have a message.
alex jones
I have a message to the globalists that we're going to be going over and getting to.
dan friesen
He doesn't get to that message, but you could argue that this entire thing is kind of his message.
But he never sits down and is like, alright, here's what I want to say to you this Sunday.
jordan holmes
In a moment of clarity, my first thought was, I'm a monster who should be destroyed.
And my next thought was, here's what I need to say to the globalists.
dan friesen
I should talk shit on the globalists.
So Alex believes that he starts spinning into a little bit of religious stuff throughout this episode.
jordan holmes
Sure.
dan friesen
And one of the things he discusses is the fact that he has guardian angels and he is literally unkillable.
alex jones
And I don't mean to get off into mumbo-jumbo.
That's not what it is, ladies and gentlemen.
But it's real.
I have guardian angels.
And the New World Order cannot kill me unless God decides it's time for me to die.
You understand that?
I cannot be killed until God decides.
And my whole life, incredible things have happened.
dan friesen
That's pretty wild.
jordan holmes
I mean, based upon his interpretation of the Bible, that is true regardless of whether or not he has any kind of heavenly protection.
Do you know what I mean?
Everybody's date and time is predetermined by God.
dan friesen
Right, but I don't know if that's what he's saying.
I feel like there's more behind it than that.
Right, right, right, right.
He's bulletproof.
jordan holmes
No, no, no, I understand.
dan friesen
Because he's here on a mission from God.
jordan holmes
Right, right, right, right.
dan friesen
And I'm totally fine with the idea that people have vague notions about guardian angels and stuff.
We've all had close calls.
They'd be like, whoa.
Afterwards, they're like, holy shit, I should be dead.
unidentified
Yeah, yeah, yeah.
dan friesen
And if you want to believe that that's divine protection, I don't care.
That's your prerogative.
However, I think that the way that Alex is framing this is super fucked up.
For one, he's making it a thing where God has to decide in order for him to even be killable.
Anything that anyone could possibly do to him wouldn't work since God and the angels are protecting him.
That's all good and well, but if he really believed that, then why would he be so obsessed with guns?
Why would he constantly talk about how many guns he keeps in the studio?
Shouldn't he be comfortable in the fact that even if someone broke into Infowars HQ with a gun, they wouldn't be able to do anything because he has God's protection?
The question gets even weirder when you consider that Alex now employs round-the-clock bodyguards who are allegedly ex-Blackwater employees.
Why would Alex need mercenaries to protect him if any attack against him wouldn't work?
The only way to make this make sense is if Alex knows that he doesn't have God's protection.
He knows that what he's doing is evil.
And while it works really well to pay lip service to this idea of God having made me an indestructible warrior, deep down, he knows that he's manipulating people and is a force for bad in the world.
File this, Jordan, under the heading of more possible evidence that Alex did join up with those Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah.
jordan holmes
I do think that might be the case.
As always, God helps those who shoot other people.
That's how the saying goes, right?
dan friesen
I suppose so.
Really, the only way to make that make sense is if he wouldn't have these bodyguards and be obsessed with arming himself to the teeth if he felt he had divine protection.
He would be all about nonviolence and walking through life.
Untouchable.
jordan holmes
Like Jesus.
dan friesen
Yeah.
jordan holmes
He would be more like Jesus, or the Christ, or the professed leader of his religion.
dan friesen
I'm sure he does have some oil paintings of God with an AK in his house.
I would assume that he does.
So, Alex gets to talking about Dan Badandi, who, as we heard on the last episode, and I believe even the one before that, has gone to Boston.
And he is an official InfoWars employee.
He's there with an InfoWars mic.
He's yelling InfoWars.com at everybody.
jordan holmes
Right.
dan friesen
And trying to disrupt these press conferences that the mayor of Boston and the authorities are trying to give to calm the public and to help them get whatever information out is known and determined by these investigations.
So Alex gets to playing the clips of Dan Badondi's Up Till This Point work.
At press conferences.
But it takes him forever to get to it because he can't stop talking about the footage.
alex jones
And this is Dan Badani.
You see it from his perspective at the camera with the governor and the police commissioner and the mayor and the ATF head all looking at him like they want to kill him instantly.
See, in criminology, if somebody doesn't...
Does it recognize what you're saying?
I've had cops question me before and FBI and Secret Service and they're watching to see when they show me something if I automatically recognize it.
And they're sitting there watching to see if I have to remember it.
That's basic police work.
And the minute Badandi asks him, they jolt when he says the drill and the false flag and their eyes all come alive and they swing around and start, you know, I mean, guilty as sin.
Guilty as a pig and you know what.
Now, it doesn't mean they did the bombing.
It means they know about the drill.
They've been told, shut up.
And the governor goes from being the fake smiley guy, like he is at the memorial service, to instantly battle mode.
His eyebrows go up.
His teeth almost show.
I mean, he...
Oh, yeah!
dan friesen
No, he doesn't.
He literally just says, no next question.
He doesn't get mad, nothing like that.
jordan holmes
But does he almost show his teeth, Dan?
dan friesen
I don't think so.
I went and watched Dan Badandi's POV video of the press conference, and they don't show anything close to what Alex is describing.
If you go and watch them, you'll see, if anything, an exceeding level of patience being displayed towards Dan Badandi.
They don't kick him out, even though he's clearly being disruptive and making accusations, as opposed to asking questions.
Governor Patrick does not almost show his teeth in rage, to answer your question.
jordan holmes
Okay.
dan friesen
Honestly, the best you could argue based on the footage is that he expresses slight annoyance.
This is really important to Alex's narrative, though.
No matter what response Dan Badandi got, Alex was going to frame it as these officials being caught with their hand in the cookie jar.
It's really a very basic propaganda trick.
You go and send some annoying asshole to go yell at a press conference and you have a pretty high likelihood of him causing a scene.
If he gets thrown out, you can argue that they can't handle the truth.
If the officials yell at him, you can make the same argument.
I think Alex was kind of betting on something like that happening and all Badandi managed to provoke is the governor giving him a one-word answer to his question.
Because there's nothing here, Alex has to go really overboard in characterizing the video and it's honestly really pathetic.
jordan holmes
Yeah.
dan friesen
Another important point here is that the video that Alex does end up showing is edited to make it look like the press conference ends in response to Badandi's question, when in fact they've just cut out the officials responding to other people's questions.
This, too, is a crucial piece of Alex's narrative.
He needs to make it appear that they're so afraid of this question of false flags and the drill that they run away from planned press conferences to reinforce this narrative that Alex is pushing that the information he's putting out is so dangerous and real.
All of this is smoke and mirrors and edits.
Because they know damn well if they just played the raw footage of the press conference, Badandi would just look like a sad, loud loser who the adults are putting up with politely.
And that doesn't work well for the narrative.
You force the narrative.
They're scared.
unidentified
Yeah.
jordan holmes
That would be a good test of Alex's gaslighting powers, is that...
Could you play the full unedited video and coach people so well beforehand that when they watch it, they do see what it is you think they want to see, right?
dan friesen
Yes.
jordan holmes
Of course you can do that.
dan friesen
Once the narrative's in place, that's what they'll see when they watch the video.
jordan holmes
Even if they don't see it.
dan friesen
Most likely.
jordan holmes
Even if they don't see it, they'll say that they saw it.
It's almost like I'm surprised that they even bothered to edit the video.
dan friesen
Well, it makes it easier as a point of entry.
Because right now you can't show...
Because it's not established nearly enough at this point.
jordan holmes
That's a good point.
We're not going for just the diehards.
We're trying to get new eyes on them.
dan friesen
Alex knows that his traffic...
He said on the last episode his traffic doubled.
unidentified
Yeah, yeah, yeah.
dan friesen
He's trying to get people to do Google bombs where everybody search for false flags so the analytics goes...
Right, right, right.
When all of Alex's articles are tagged false flag and the meta tags and stuff like that.
So obviously he knows that's going to drive more traffic to him.
He's trying to do this.
Yeah, it's a...
jordan holmes
Yeah, yeah, yeah.
dan friesen
The full press conference would work with people who have already internalized the narrative.
jordan holmes
Right.
dan friesen
But you need the edited version in order to get them to the point where they would internalize it.
It helps.
It's one of the only things that's intersecting with the real world of this investigation is we have Dan Badandi yelling at people at press conferences.
It's such a crucial piece of the propaganda pageant that Alex is putting on that you need to edit it.
But I do agree.
I do agree that...
Eventually you could just show the whole thing.
jordan holmes
Yeah, yeah, yeah.
dan friesen
And it wouldn't matter, but not at this point.
jordan holmes
Yeah, no, that's what I'm saying.
It is another really interesting difference between then and now where, you know, the president can admit to committing crimes and people will be like, nah, he didn't commit crimes.
He just primes people to believe whatever it is he wants.
And now in the present when we're listening to Alex Jones, he's not really bothering with trying to attract, you know, he's trying to attract...
New listeners as much as possible, but he's not bothering with trying to trick them.
He's like, here's what you get.
dan friesen
We don't often end up listening to his clips that he plays of Trump, but they're often the parts that are most interesting to other folk are not included.
And the times where he says incredibly stupid shit isn't included.
So there is still editing presentation to fit his narrative, for sure.
But I think...
I think your point also stands that he's probably less interested in the wide net appeal at this point.
I think he probably recognizes in 2019 that that boat sailed.
jordan holmes
Yeah, the big tent is gone.
dan friesen
When in 2013 there was still some pretense of like, I could probably appeal to everyone.
jordan holmes
Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah.
dan friesen
So Alex is mad that the media won't show the photos that he broke a day before.
Again, this is like a recurring theme through this episode.
Just mad at the media.
They're covering it up.
They're controlled.
The controlled media won't show the pictures that I broke.
alex jones
The government isn't showing these photos?
Why not show these photos, media?
You'd think, hey, look at these photos Infowars.com has.
Look at these photos of all these people.
You showed me a guy on a roof?
What about all these guys in doorways crouched suspiciously with big black bags right where the bomb went off?
Oh, but it doesn't fit the narrative.
Of the redneck.
You were going to blame us for the bombing.
I mean, I could see the whole buildup.
And the controlled White House-run media, MSNBC and others, were saying, we told you it was going to be a white tea party.
It's a lone wolf.
Homeland's curty.
That's all they'll say.
They're getting ready.
jordan holmes
Ha ha!
alex jones
We got you, gun owners.
We got you.
We got you.
You got us?
Because I know you're watching right now all angry.
Most of you are foreign intelligence operatives and globalists.
You're all stomping around right now at Media Matters and MSNBC, taping what I'm saying, hopping mad, probably, probably, probably, you know, imagine some papers have been thrown.
And who got blown?
Who got defeated?
Who got exposed?
Who?
Tell me again.
And I'm not taunting these people.
I want them to understand they're going to be defeated.
dan friesen
So, I mean, it's important.
He even says it.
I imagine papers were thrown.
He's just fantasizing about what's going on and passing it off to his audiences.
This is what's going...
unidentified
We're in a toe-to-toe battle with the media.
dan friesen
It's so stupid.
jordan holmes
It is so...
Now it's like I'm so used to it, but it is still incredibly annoying when these supposed powerful men...
Whine and whimper so much.
They do this all the time.
Why isn't the media paying attention to me?
Why don't I get all the coverage?
dan friesen
That's the flip side of Alex's narcissism.
That's the soft underbelly of it.
jordan holmes
Well, they all do it.
Just whining all the time.
I'm so powerful.
Why doesn't anybody like me?
dan friesen
There is that dichotomy.
This is something I delight in.
A lot of this is really stupid, his coverage of the bombing.
A lot of it is very intensive in terms of figuring out where he's getting these ideas from and stuff like that.
But every now and again, you find a nice oasis.
And this is one of them.
Alex decides to read a comment from an InfoWars article.
jordan holmes
Oh, no.
dan friesen
And he realizes in the middle of it, I shouldn't have started reading this comment.
This is great.
Mic down for this.
alex jones
In our article on InfoWars.com, Obama covering up shoddy Link to Boston bombing.
I love the comment by Anonymous.
dan friesen
Real quick, just to point out, it's really important to...
He said he loves this comment.
jordan holmes
He doesn't think it's actually...
dan friesen
No, I think it's...
jordan holmes
He knows it's just an anonymous comment.
dan friesen
That's irrelevant.
I don't think that he thinks that.
The only important thing is he sets this up by saying, I love this comment.
alex jones
Who commented at 11 a.m.
Simple arithmetic.
Guys, you can punch this up.
Thank you.
Simple arithmetic, my friends.
One, orchestrate bombing on Patriots Day in City of Original Boston Tea Party.
Two, detonate bombs near the finish line at the end of the race where slow Caucasians trudged forth and not earlier when the Olympic caliber, and it goes on.
We're also about to finish line three.
Create major news distractions.
dan friesen
Uh-oh, this dude's a racist.
This comment is super racist.
It's one of the things that I'm super pissed off about, about Alex being deplatformed.
It's that, like, when the company that moderated his comments dropped him, all the comments disappeared from Infowars.
Like, all the articles.
jordan holmes
Yeah.
dan friesen
I can find this article that Alex is talking about, but there's just no comments on it.
I can even pull it up in the Wayback Machine, but comments don't populate anymore.
I really wanted to track down this comment because I wanted to know if the commenter used the N-word.
That's my only question.
jordan holmes
Yeah.
dan friesen
You could totally hear Alex realize that he started reading an explicitly racist comment, and he started off by saying, I love this comment, and he realizes, I'm in trouble.
unidentified
Yep.
dan friesen
There's nothing funnier than Alex saying, quote, Olympic caliber, and it goes on.
It goes on.
It's so stupid.
jordan holmes
Did he say that they were going to put it up on the screen?
dan friesen
They may have.
I don't know.
I can't find video of this.
Alex thinks he can just edit out the parts of things he's reading that create problems for him by saying it goes on.
He tried that trick when he was reading that article about his fan who kidnapped his children so he wouldn't have to read the part about the guy tying up the kid's grandmother.
And now he's clearly doing it so he won't have to draw attention to the fact that he introduced this clearly racist internet comment by saying he loved it.
The only question I have is how racist it was.
If it threw Alex for a loop, that makes me think it had to be really racist.
I would bet it's N-word level racist.
jordan holmes
Oh, yeah.
dan friesen
Either way, Alex realized that he was in a bit of a pickle, since he said he loved the comment.
So he tried to mask the comment's racism, but he made the mistake of keeping on reading.
And here's what happens.
alex jones
D, communist fascist taker of USA by New World Order, with closet homosexual, closet Muslim sociopath, foreign plan Obama, as point man dictator.
And again, I don't read that to be mean to gay people or something.
I actually hadn't read the full comment.
I thought I would just read one.
This is kind of silly, but...
dan friesen
I hadn't read it.
jordan holmes
I love this comment.
I haven't read it.
dan friesen
You hear him giggling when the comment says that Obama's a closet homosexual.
Don't pretend that you don't love this shit.
It's so stupid.
I love this comment.
I hadn't read it.
jordan holmes
Love this comment.
Edward, Edward, Edward, Edward.
unidentified
Hmm.
dan friesen
Fucking coward.
jordan holmes
Maybe I'll start in the middle.
dan friesen
Oh, shit.
So that's the level of shit that's taking up some of his time.
Reading comments that he hasn't read that he finds out a racist in the middle of them.
jordan holmes
I love this comment.
It's titled, The Riddle of the Jews.
dan friesen
Right.
jordan holmes
I found this great article on Before It's Moved.
dan friesen
Very insightful.
jordan holmes
So 30 white horses on a red hill.
dan friesen
I think that the fact that he's taking time to do shit like that should indicate that this next clip might not be accurate.
alex jones
All right, if you're just joining us, this is the most historic radio broadcast in 18 years I've ever done.
We received from anonymous, and we did Google searches on the photos that confirmed they were from Twitter accounts and news stations that didn't know what they had.
We received from anonymous contact sent to Paul Watson, and we are in contact with the folks that sent us the information.
They've asked that we not mention what hacker group they're with.
We'll just say they're anonymous.
That they went out, and it's obviously intelligence people who don't like what's happening.
That Navy SEALs were there at the event, at the finish line, all over the place with radiation detectors, black backpacks.
We're talking 20 feet, max 20 yards, between 20 and 60 feet, from the bombers, right there by the flags.
There was a drill, which they've been caught lying about.
dan friesen
So the important thing here is that it's so important for him to paint this anonymous person, or 4chan being his source, as intelligence operatives.
Because it's such a hole in the narrative.
And he needs to patch up that hole.
It needs to come from some very legitimate, credible source, which is these anonymous good people within the intelligence community who are sick of the bullshit.
Otherwise...
Closer analysis is, Alex, you just took this from a message board.
What are you doing?
jordan holmes
See, I can't understand how it is we're supposed to reconcile two things in the same sentence, which is, first, we Google searched it and it's been on a bunch of Twitter accounts already.
And two, it was given to us directly by...
These intelligence officials.
dan friesen
The Googling and the Twitter accounts was after the fact.
After the intelligence people had gathered all of those photos from all these disparate places and sent them to Alex in a data dump.
In reality, Paul Joseph Watson was cruising 4chan, found these images, told Alex about it, and now they've created a backstory for a better source for the information.
jordan holmes
Right, right, right.
dan friesen
It's not...
Annoying.
It's not professional work here.
jordan holmes
No, it is not.
dan friesen
It is not.
jordan holmes
And the reality of that Google search is still the jury's out.
dan friesen
It's debatable whether or not Alex knows how to perform that operation, but he does know it's real, which is good.
So here, file this next clip under the headline of Alex just constantly complaining that no one is, again, throwing him a parade for his awesome reporting.
alex jones
This shows you how controlled the media is.
unidentified
It's so controlled.
alex jones
Only Infowars.com.
And DrudgeReport.com are covering this.
And the photos we released are the photos they were forced to then put out.
The very photos a day later.
But they won't say...
The media stands around to wait until the government gives them a photo and ignores, hey, who was right?
Not, wow, good job!
Infowars.com, Paul Watson, Alex Jones, Matt Drudge, Matt Drudge's crew.
Oh, I mean, you know.
dan friesen
He's just so bent out of shape that no one is congratulating him for doing bad work.
jordan holmes
Yep.
dan friesen
Like, obviously, it's just insane.
Like, it's so pathetic.
jordan holmes
This is the first time he really believes he did good work, though.
dan friesen
I think you're right.
jordan holmes
I think he really is.
dan friesen
And I think that's why he's responding this way.
jordan holmes
He's like, for real, guys, look!
You know I know.
We both know what's been going on.
But this time I did it!
dan friesen
He always wants a parade, but the extent to which he is so focused on no one giving him credit, it does have a different feel to it than a lot of other times, which is wild.
So Alex starts faking hyperventilating on air in order to sort of sell the illusion that this is like real serious times.
And in the process ends up making a ludicrous statement.
jordan holmes
Of course.
alex jones
I'm having so many butterflies that I'm actually hyperventilating on air, okay?
I mean, that's how big this is.
Because this is like catching people, again, burying the dead bodies on film in the backyard.
This is open and shut, smoking gun.
You call in all these people, you ask who ordered them to do what, you'll find out who was in charge, you'll find out who was handling who, you'll find out who did this and who blew up the marathon.
I mean, we're sitting here.
This will destroy the globalist.
dan friesen
So it's an open and shut case, man.
jordan holmes
We caught video.
dan friesen
Do you agree?
jordan holmes
We caught video of them burying the bodies in the backyard.
dan friesen
Do you agree that this is open and shut?
jordan holmes
I don't think there's any other conclusion I could draw based on the evidence he's provided.
dan friesen
This case is not open and shut.
Let me explore with you here some of the things you need to do, even if you're going to listen to the way Alex is saying, like, first you get these people, ask them who's running what.
alex jones
Right.
dan friesen
These steps are still needed to prove his case, even if he's right, which he's not.
First, you've got to figure out who these people are in these photos.
Alex's crack team still hasn't put any names to anyone, and this anonymous intelligence agent he imagined is contacting him doesn't seem to know who any of these people are, so that seems like it's still a hurdle that needs to be hurdled.
So that's a problem.
jordan holmes
The globalists remove people's names whenever they become operatives.
Next.
dan friesen
Then, once you figure out who these people are, if they're willing to submit to an interview, you can ask them questions, but there's no guarantee that any of them are going to talk to you.
That could be a difficulty.
Let's pretend that Alex is the cops, and one of these people says, I want a lawyer.
Alex seems to imagine he could just take these out-of-context pictures to a judge and just keep saying, come on, at them until they give you a subpoena or some shit.
jordan holmes
Part of the globalist deal with the devil is that if you get caught, you have to tell the truth.
It's a reverse.
The police have to tell you the police situation.
Next.
dan friesen
Then, imagining somehow you compel these people to talk, what if you interview them and they say that no one was ordering them to do anything?
What evidence do you have that they're lying?
If guys like Alex Thinks or Marine Special Ops just said, we were at the marathon and you think we look weird, what evidence is going to provide to contradict them?
This would be a disaster of a case to try and prove anywhere except for Infowars.
jordan holmes
Right.
dan friesen
This fantasy bullshit where Alex has just decided all of these connections that he's making in his head exist in the real world really is scary.
It's very scary if you imagine that he means all of this.
You know, like, oh, this is an open and shut case.
It's not.
You haven't proved anything.
jordan holmes
Yeah, based on his numerous lawsuits and the like, it's almost like he really doesn't understand any of the laws or how court works.
dan friesen
No.
jordan holmes
Like, he just doesn't have any concept of it.
unidentified
Nope.
dan friesen
I think that might be a function of him always having really shady lawyers.
jordan holmes
Yeah, that's true.
dan friesen
So we get back now to this sort of theme throughout the episode of Alex wanting a parade for his great work.
unidentified
Sure.
dan friesen
And then there's a sort of break in the story that isn't a break.
alex jones
You notice no media is going, wow, Alex Jones, of all people, got the photos of who they say they're looking for now.
Why didn't the media, over several days, and you think I'm so busy, you think I'd be looking at this stuff close.
And it was all hiding in plain view in front of everyone.
Dude just came in here during the break, is why I'm hyperventilating, with a stack of new high-def photos and stills out of the city of Boston surveillance footage.
And it shows the handlers of the Saudis.
And you can see the body language, all of it.
And again, people say, oh, you're just speculating.
Oh, I told you who they would be forced to release with the Saudis.
I told you the Navy SEAL stuff, that's now all over the place.
dan friesen
It's not all over the place.
Like, it's not.
It's in the shit media online.
unidentified
Yeah.
dan friesen
And the New York Post cover.
jordan holmes
Yeah.
dan friesen
However, it's important to point out that the Post didn't get the image that they used from the same source that Alex is pulling from.
Though they're guilty of a similar journalistic crime, they were at least operating off bogus emails from actual law enforcement, reporting bad information that they didn't thoroughly vet, whereas Alex is getting random pictures from 4chan and writing a story about them.
Because Alex gets all of his news from websites that are completely full of shit and sensational nonsense, he naturally thinks that the entirety of the media is talking about the same things he was covering already, and that he was way ahead of them.
It's just because he's conflated these things.
He saw the post cover, and he also heard that Janet Napolitano had announced that the FBI was going to release pictures of the suspects.
He doesn't realize that the FBI has not yet released these images, so he's most likely assuming that the post cover is in fact the release of the suspect pictures.
The men on the cover were Moroccan, but Alex is dumb and racist, so he assumes all brown people are basically the same, so he thinks that this picture is of the Saudi Arabians who are at the marathon, who are the new patsies, now that he's blown up the hillbilly angle.
He's further conflated the Saudi student who was injured in the bombing and an unrelated Saudi student who was taken in by ICE for not registering for classes and turned them into the same person in order to suggest that the Saudi Arabian patsy is going to be taken out of the country.
And that's what this meeting Obama had with the Saudi foreign minister was about.
It's really interesting because all the faulty steps he makes in his reporting are pretty clear if you just listen to him and have some distance from the actual event.
Super easy in 2019 to see the glaring holes here and how he so eagerly fills them in with the narrative of his own design.
But in April 2013, it'd be fucking hard to concretely point out these lies.
jordan holmes
Yeah.
dan friesen
You could say, I don't know if that makes sense.
You couldn't say like, oh no, here's, you know.
jordan holmes
That's demonstrably untrue.
unidentified
Yeah.
dan friesen
There wasn't a lot of information going around.
There's a climate of fear and anxiety and the way he so confidently makes these dumbass assertions is seductive.
It's really one of the worst parts about looking at this stretch of time.
Seeing how dumb what he's saying is, but seeing how easy it would be to be convinced that there's something to it.
I know I'm saying that kind of consistently and repeatedly because I think it's an important idea.
I think as we go through this, it's important to not lose track of the climate and how people's emotions were at that time.
And how he's willingly and aggressively manipulating them.
jordan holmes
Yeah, I think he gave up the game.
On that clip, because he said the media isn't saying Alex Jones, of all people, is correct on this.
That, of all people, means he knows.
Because he generally presents himself as being 100% correct all the time.
So what it should be is they are forced.
He's like, now they're forced to admit I'm correct.
dan friesen
Yeah.
jordan holmes
As opposed to him saying Alex Jones, of all people, because we both know the deal.
Of all people, it turns out I'm correct this time.
dan friesen
That could be the case, or he could be expressing that he's aware that the media hates him.
And so they would be saying, of all people, we hate him, but he's right about this.
jordan holmes
Right.
dan friesen
It's possible.
Either one is a possible reading of it.
jordan holmes
I suppose.
dan friesen
So Alex gets into a fantasy here about how this white patsy that he's found in these pictures is being like...
Probably being tortured.
jordan holmes
The only white Patsy I know is from Jessica Jones.
dan friesen
Patsy Cline.
jordan holmes
Yeah.
dan friesen
So he just has this fantasy about this dude being tortured.
It's kind of gross.
alex jones
There's video and photos of it all.
There's video of undercover police, it looks like, leading the mentally ill.
That's what the guy looks like to me.
Body language, all of it.
Leading up the poor Patsy.
Who probably thought he was a secret agent now.
He looks so proud to be on Team America.
He doesn't know he's going to be drugged up and rolled out as the new McVeigh.
And going to be electroshock, tortured, drugged up for trial, just like all the other patsies.
It's so horrible.
And you know what?
The operation was blown for you.
This is unprecedented.
So now they're going to say, oh, maybe it's Saudis.
Oh, we sent them back to Saudi Arabia.
Never mind.
Oh, we met with the Saudi foreign minister.
Emergency meeting.
We canceled the press conference.
Blah, blah, blah, on and on and on.
They do not want this out.
They do not want this discussed.
They do not want you talking about it.
They do not.
They needed to blame the Patriot Tea Party for this so bad.
dan friesen
No, you needed the appearance of them blaming.
jordan holmes
It would have been so good.
dan friesen
Because he keeps talking about this, and I can't really find a lot of good evidence that people were blaming right-wing white.
Patriot folk.
jordan holmes
Yeah.
dan friesen
And he keeps saying that they're all over the media saying it, and he doesn't play any clips of that.
I went to InfoWars.
I can't find any articles of them demonstrating that.
I think it's just the fact that he's built that up as the narrative that they are doing this is now established, and he's reporting on his own perceptions from previous days.
I don't think that the media needed to do that.
I think he needed that.
jordan holmes
Yeah.
unidentified
Yeah.
dan friesen
It's gross.
And all that stuff about this dude is just imagined.
jordan holmes
Yeah.
dan friesen
All of it is just...
He saw a couple of still images of this guy and has decided that he's mentally handicapped.
He's decided that he got enlisted by, oh, you're going to be a hero.
All of that is made up.
It has nothing to do with any reality that he can point to, like, anything other than his fantasies.
jordan holmes
Right.
dan friesen
That is it.
jordan holmes
I'm always...
Because he ascribes everybody's traits to their appearance, Like, always.
If he thinks somebody is bad, they look like demons.
Like, all of that shit.
I am...
Always curious of what it is he would describe himself as looking like in the mirror.
In the same way that I want specifics on...
dan friesen
A heroic cowboy Calvin Klein model who's just put on a little bit too much weight because he's been busy fighting the globalists?
jordan holmes
Right.
It has to be something like that, right?
dan friesen
That is how he describes himself.
jordan holmes
But how?
How could you possibly see that?
That's something that fascinates me.
What it is that his eyes...
I want to see what he sees.
dan friesen
I'd rather not.
jordan holmes
I want to know if there are pink elephants flying through the air.
Like, I want to know!
dan friesen
There's always carnival music playing in his head.
jordan holmes
Yeah, exactly!
dan friesen
I should correct myself.
Alex doesn't just fantasize and have his own ideas about them blaming the Patriots.
He also has evidence.
alex jones
I mean, that's like Gary Hart on the CFR Commission wrote public letters in a paper saying we need staged terror attacks, just like PNAC did in the September 20th Rebuilding America's Defenses thing.
And then one time, We Are Change, it's in my film Truth Rising, found him at an event.
He was at a book signing and came up and said, you wrote those letters and put up that public report saying we staged terror attacks in America and that we should do it again.
He goes, no, I didn't.
What are you talking about, son?
They go, well, here's your letter.
And when he read it, he started sweating and going, oh, well, that was a mock letter.
See, they don't even think of us as human.
You publish this stuff in the CFR.
You publish this stuff publicly, and we're not supposed to go with a copy of it?
dan friesen
So this Gary Hart letter.
jordan holmes
Let's find out about this Gary Hart letter.
dan friesen
This is some sloppy bullshit.
So I can't find a clip of what Alex is talking about with him sweating and freaking out, mostly because I'm not willing to watch Truth Rising just to find some context for what he's talking about, Gary Hart's reaction.
I'm certain that Alex is embellishing and misrepresenting Gary Hart's reaction, but none of that really matters.
On 911truth.org...
There's an article about this letter that Gary Hart wrote.
The first thing that's important to point out is that this letter wasn't written for the CFR or anything like that.
Even if Gary Hart was a member of the CFR, it was an op-ed he wrote for the Huffington Post in September 2007.
The letter is titled, quote, Unsolicited Advice for the Government of Iran.
And one thing that's important to point out is at this point in 2007, things were not good between the U.S. and Iran.
In January of that year, the U.S. had raided the Iranian liaison office in Iraq, which was serving as the de facto consulate.
And they took five consular officers hostage, which they wouldn't release these dudes until July 2009.
Shit was super tense.
And Hart's letter exists within that context.
jordan holmes
Was Iran taking unsolicited advice at that time?
dan friesen
I'm not sure if they were reading the HuffPo.
jordan holmes
I don't think that was their main...
dan friesen
His unsolicited advice to Iran was that the U.S. does not go to war unless it's provoked.
Sure!
But sometimes it seems like certain more hawkish elements like to provoke provocation.
But it's important to point out what he's talking about is not false flags necessarily.
He's talking about advising Iran to avoid giving someone like Dick Cheney the excuse he's dying to find to justify going into another war.
From the letter, you would probably be well advised to keep your forces, including clandestine forces, as far away from the Iraqi border as you can.
You might even consider bringing in some neighbors to verify that you're not shipping arms next door.
Tone down the rhetoric on Zionism.
You've established your credentials with those in your world who thrive on that.
If it makes you feel more powerful to hurl accusations at the American eagle, have at it.
sticks and stones, etc.
But for the next 16 months or so, you should not only not take provocative actions, you should not seem to be doing so.
For the vast majority of Americans who see Yeah.
This letter in no way is saying we do false flags and we should do more of them.
That's an absurd misrepresentation of the message that Hart was expressing.
But that shouldn't be too surprising at this point.
unidentified
Right, right, right.
jordan holmes
I remember, I specifically remember the next day when the Ayatollah had a unsolicited letter to Gary Hart in the HuffPost that just said, who are you?
And that was it.
dan friesen
He actually thought he was Corey Hart.
jordan holmes
Yeah.
Oh, yeah, yeah, yeah.
dan friesen
So that letter made no sense.
jordan holmes
Yeah, no, it was weird.
dan friesen
Stop wearing sunglasses at night.
So in this next clip, Alex loses his mind yelling, and all of this is bullshit.
Just keep that in mind as we look into this.
alex jones
Like, you think we're animals like all these other people?
You think I don't see?
You don't think I don't know you want to raise my property taxes and cut the Second Amendment and take my kids from me?
And you say the state runs my kids on MSNBC?
You don't think we're not going to fight you?
You don't think we don't know you're going to blow stuff up and try to blame us?
unidentified
You don't think we're not watching now, you rat bastards?
alex jones
You don't think there's not fight left around here?
Not all of us are in comas watching TV, buddy.
Not all of us are busy, you know, down at the bar watching UFC looking tough in front of our buddies.
Not all of us are here to be run over.
Not all of us are fake men.
You know how slim, I've got countless clips of CNN and MSNBC even yesterday going, you know it's gun owners did this.
You know they used powder from the gun shops to do it.
I mean, I even predicted that.
dan friesen
He does not play those clips.
jordan holmes
Surprise.
dan friesen
That clip right there is nothing more than performative masculinity.
alex jones
Yeah.
dan friesen
There is no passion behind any of that.
That was completely artificial.
And most importantly, nothing he's saying is true.
Like I said, he's yet to play any of these clips of CNN or any other media outlets salivating at the thought of this bombing being a gun owner and right winger.
And nothing I could find on his website seems to prove that at all.
He's just playing his role.
And he's seeing that it's working.
Like, his traffic is way up, so he's leaning hard into being the guy who knows everything about the bombing and is willing to fight you over it.
But unfortunately, he's living on borrowed time, because in reality, he knows that he hasn't predicted anything.
The thing I find particularly interesting there is how he said that he predicted that the globalists would ban powder from the gun shops there at the end of the clip.
He didn't predict that.
If you recall, that came from a 4chan post that he read on air.
He was trying to present as a troll post, which he started agreeing with as he read it.
If anything, he should be saying, they're blaming the powder from the gun shops.
You heard me convinced by a troll post that that was going to happen.
But that doesn't quite sound as good.
jordan holmes
It doesn't roll off the tongue the same way.
dan friesen
Not really.
jordan holmes
No.
dan friesen
So now, in 2019, I can look back and confidently say that they didn't outlaw powder, nor did anyone seriously propose the idea.
Shit.
The bombs were made from fireworks, and you can still get fireworks in most places.
And the places you can't didn't ban them because of the Boston bombing.
They did it because some kid lost an arm a decade ago, and the city council voted you have to drive outside city limits to get fireworks.
jordan holmes
Yeah, yeah, yeah.
That solved it.
dan friesen
Nothing Alex is saying is real.
This is all just performance presented as truth because he knows his traffic is up, and he knows what makes him interesting.
jordan holmes
Right.
dan friesen
It's this sort of bullshit yelling, overconfidence, I'm right about everything, I've predicted all this shit.
He knows that that's the honey that he can get people drawn in with.
jordan holmes
I always like when he adds those tiny little personal annoyances.
Going to the bar and watching UFC is fairly specific.
dan friesen
He's mad at Rogan.
jordan holmes
You know he's referencing somebody in particular.
dan friesen
Rogan won't have him on his podcast.
jordan holmes
It reminds me a little bit of Dante's Inferno whenever he creates all of these specific hells and he populates them with people that he knows.
This motherfucker right here.
All the globalists are like this asshole.
unidentified
Dave, I hate...
jordan holmes
Damn!
dan friesen
All the globalists, rather you be watching UFC, like Joe.
Random name, Joseph.
jordan holmes
Pick it out of the hat.
dan friesen
It does feel that way, maybe.
jordan holmes
Some job.
Call it comedian or whatever.
dan friesen
It also falls in line with his anger at sublimating masculinity, like football and stuff.
jordan holmes
Of course.
dan friesen
I mean, who cares?
He's just talking shit.
So anyway, Alex says in this next clip that there were Democratic fundraising letters that he found that were going around that were saying, we need another Oklahoma City bombing.
unidentified
Sure.
dan friesen
And this isn't true.
alex jones
I mean, you people are running around in Democratic fundraising letters.
Saying to your million-dollar donors, don't worry, there'll be a new Oklahoma City.
We're going to win our agenda.
Your money's well spent with us.
Even letting their donors in, like, don't worry, we're going to blow stuff up.
I mean, I have to sit here and watch these psychos on power trips reading their teleprompters on MSNBC going...
You know, all the twinkly eyes of just criminal energy just going, and you know it's an RA that did this bombing and they're going to get these people.
I mean, just over the top authoritarian scum.
dan friesen
Still yet to play any of those clips.
So I can't find any evidence that there were ever any Democratic fundraising emails that said things like, don't worry, there's going to be another Oklahoma City bombing.
There's literally no way I believe that such a thing could exist without being plastered all over every single right-wing media site online.
I would imagine that what's being misrepresented here is that some organization, maybe even the SPLC, sent out a fundraising email that discussed the growing threat of right-wing terrorism, not as a positive thing, but as a thing that they make it their business to keep an eye on.
it would make sense for them to raise money by pointing out that you know as the tea party movement has grown the more dangerous militia communities have grown along with it reaching levels unseen since the mid-90s which did lead to the oklahoma city bombing that would make total sense for them and alex's track record is littered with him misrepresenting things like that so i Yeah, I can't.
jordan holmes
I mean...
If they literally sent that actual thing as a real thing, we would still be hearing it from all of these people.
dan friesen
And the evidence of it would be everywhere.
jordan holmes
Yeah, every day we would still be hearing, see how evil the SPLC is?
Like, every day.
dan friesen
Yeah.
The closest I can find to this is a couple of comments that people made that were saying that Obama needed a unifying moment to save his presidency back in 2010.
In one instance, Mark Penn said in an appearance on Hardball, quote, Remember, President Clinton reconnected with Oklahoma, right?
And the president right now seems removed.
It wasn't until that speech that Clinton really clicked with the American public.
Obama needs a similar thing.
This isn't saying that Obama needs a new Oklahoma City bombing to save his presidency.
It's saying that Clinton reconnected with the American public in that speech that he gave after the bombing, and Obama needs to similarly reconnect.
It's not about the terrorist attack.
It's about the speech.
The other instance was Robert Shapiro saying in an article in the Financial Times, quote, the bottom line here is that Americans don't believe in President Obama's leadership.
He has to find some way between now and November of demonstrating that he's a leader who can command confidence, and short of a 9-11 event or an Oklahoma City bombing, I can't think of how he could do that.
You could read that as a guy saying that Obama better fake a terrorist attack soon, or you could read it as a political commentator using an extreme example to express how bad a situation Obama was in at the time.
Mark Penn's comment came a couple of days after the 2010 midterms, when the GOP won back control of the House and gained six seats in the Senate, effectively putting a halt to most of the hope that Obama had of having a cooperative Congress.
So you can kind of see how a political commentator might see the prospects right then of not being good.
Then Shapiro's comment literally says, quote, between now and November.
And that's referencing that he said this right before the 2010 midterms.
Shapiro's articulating that there's a rising tide within conservatism happening at the same time that Obama's approval ratings were falling.
And it didn't look good for him.
So he's probably going to get battered at the midterms.
And he did.
The only way to read either of these comments is expressing the need for some fake terrorist attack is if you're already convinced that that's what the people are saying.
jordan holmes
I can't even think about 2008 to 2010.
I just can't think about it.
unidentified
You shouldn't.
jordan holmes
If I think about it hard enough to, like, Obama, we had a Democratic president.
Supermajorities in the House and Senate, and the astonishing amount of power you can see now is just welled by 37 senators.
dan friesen
Yeah.
jordan holmes
It's like, we could have...
Imagine if Bernie had been president.
dan friesen
Don't even think about it.
jordan holmes
Oh, I can't think about it.
I can't think about it.
dan friesen
So while I can't find any evidence about a Democratic fundraising email or letter similar to what Alex is saying...
I should tell you that I did find a fundraising letter sent out by then-executive vice president of the NRA, Wayne LaPierre, six days before the Oklahoma City bombing in 1995.
jordan holmes
Hey, guys!
We're about to blow up the Oklahoma!
dan friesen
The letter painted federal agents as thugs out to, quote, harass, intimidate, and even murder law-abiding citizens.
jordan holmes
Right.
dan friesen
According to an article in the Christian Science Monitor about the letter, quote, Mr. LaPierre urges gun owners to take action before there's no freedom left in America.
jordan holmes
Right.
dan friesen
Now, obviously, this letter didn't inspire Timothy McVeigh to blow up that federal building.
We can be sure of that because of the timing.
It just doesn't work out.
jordan holmes
Yeah, it's not soon enough.
dan friesen
It's tough to get around the fact, however, that what initially comes off as exaggerated bombastic advocacy for gun rights kind of looks like exactly the same ideology that inspired the bombing of a federal building a week later.
Oh, and then I also found an article from the LA Times from April 28, 1995, just after the Oklahoma City bombing.
Listen to this damn headline.
Quote, Oklahoma City after the bomb.
Lobbyists stymie efforts to trace explosives, bombs technology, such as the use of tiny chips and material to find blast origin has been around for years, but NRA others have blocked its usage.
My first thought?
That headline is unwieldy.
Someone needed to take another pass at that point.
jordan holmes
Yeah, the 90s were tough.
dan friesen
Yeah, pre-clickbait era.
jordan holmes
Yeah, yeah, yeah.
Different time for headlines.
Different time.
dan friesen
You see, though...
There are these indestructible microscopic chips called tagants that can be put in all explosives sold in this country that could very easily trace back any bombs used in attacks like this.
In the 1980s, the Office of Technology Assessment did a study and found that implementing the use of tagants, quote, could increase arrests related to bombings by as much as 75%.
But you know what?
jordan holmes
That's unilaterally a good thing, right?
We want more...
If people bomb stuff, we want to know who did it, right?
That's a good thing.
dan friesen
The NRA was super against it.
jordan holmes
I don't know why!
dan friesen
And they lobbied really hard against the move and ultimately defeated it.
jordan holmes
I can't imagine why.
dan friesen
There are people who are like the group...
That represents explosives manufacturers were against it as well.
Of course.
Because they make explosives for mining.
unidentified
Of course.
dan friesen
And that sort of thing.
And demolition.
And their position was that adding these tagants could make the more volatile explosives.
There could be safety issues.
Other people have studied it and said that it wouldn't.
So there's a lot of back and forth.
I don't think that the NRA is above board on this.
Anyway, when people talk about how the NRA is basically a terrorist organization, these are some of the reasons.
Their rhetoric is indistinguishable from domestic terrorists, and their actions make it exceedingly difficult for law enforcement to solve crimes committed by domestic terrorists.
That's why people make those sorts of comments.
jordan holmes
Yeah, it's like if ISIS was like, hey, don't investigate us.
Oh, wait, no, it's exactly like that, because that's who they are.
dan friesen
Right.
unidentified
Yeah.
dan friesen
So, when Alex eventually does get around to saying that people are blaming the NRA, it might be that there is a news report about how the NRA blocked the efforts to put Taggart into an explosion.
jordan holmes
Sure, sure, sure, sure, sure.
dan friesen
I'm guessing that probably on MSNBC or CNN, there was a small piece about this history of advocacy that would have made solving this bombing...
Probably super easy.
But then again, I don't know if that's the case.
I don't know if these tag-ins would have been put in fireworks as well.
jordan holmes
Right, right, right.
dan friesen
So I don't know if it would have...
But anyway, if anything, it was just a discussion of their advocacy for making bombings harder to track.
jordan holmes
That's a noble cause, Dan.
dan friesen
So anyway, in this next clip, Alex tries to make people more afraid.
alex jones
There's high-def video and photo everywhere.
They're now admitting that we were right, that we broke it, but not giving us credit.
And it's hidden in plain view.
I'll give the number out, open phones in the next hour, and then the gun grabbers throwing fits that they haven't gotten our guns yet.
But don't worry.
They've got schizophrenics on drugs, wound up, probably putting guns in their hands right now.
dan friesen
So the globalists are putting guns in the hands of crazy people that they've drugged up.
They're going to come to your house.
They're out there.
jordan holmes
Well, obviously.
dan friesen
It's right now.
This is happening.
There's going to be more attacks because I've blown their operation sky high.
Everyone admits that I'm right, but they won't say it's me.
It's crazy.
This is insanely irresponsible.
So he says that the gun grabbers are freaking out.
And one of his main pieces of evidence is that Harry Reid, in giving a speech, said that we don't need to be caught off track and get distracted by these black helicopter types who say those false flags.
jordan holmes
So, of course, the black helicopter types who say there are false flags freaked the fuck out.
dan friesen
In Alex's introduction to talking about this, he accuses Harry Reid of throwing a fit.
unidentified
There we go.
dan friesen
If you listen to this, he's giving a very calm speech that Alex throws a fit while listening to.
jordan holmes
Sure.
alex jones
This country and everything good in the world was founded on guts.
And it was founded on telling the truth.
And when you know evil's going on, you gotta not lie to yourself about it and rationalize and be all shaky and, oh, who knows?
No, day one I said, I saw the buildup to this false flag.
And this is exactly what it looks like now.
And now Harry Reid is talking about false flags as he throws fits, saying that they've been unable to get our guns.
Here's a clip of that.
unidentified
We can keep them off the streets.
We should keep them off the streets.
alex jones
You got plenty of guns, don't you, bud?
unidentified
In the 1920s, organized crime was committing murders with machines.
Oh, he's so loud!
alex jones
Yeah, and that was used to restrict our guns.
unidentified
He's throwing a fit!
Valentine's Day massacre.
alex jones
They still got them.
unidentified
So, Congress dramatically limited the sale and transfer of machine guns.
alex jones
Yeah, full auto.
You don't even need that.
unidentified
A long time ago.
alex jones
A bunch of bull.
He started to take our guns then, traitor.
unidentified
As a result, machine guns basically disappeared from the streets.
They're in movies, but not private citizens had them.
Yes.
We can and should make the same common sense approach.
Crime dropped 49% the last 20 years, punk.
Assault weapons.
That's why I will vote for Diane.
alex jones
But you're a criminal who only wants the guns for yourself, punk.
unidentified
Because we must strike a better balance between the right to defend ourselves and the right of every child in America to grow up safe from gun violence.
alex jones
Like the ones that got blown up at the...
unidentified
I'll vote for the ban because maintaining a law and order is more important than satisfying conspiracy theories.
alex jones
You scum.
unidentified
Who believe in black helicopters and false flags.
alex jones
Oh!
Turn him off.
That's enough for that punk.
Listen, we're getting to them.
They don't like it.
Full speed ahead.
Intensify operations.
Just discredit them.
Every time you email one of our stories, every time you talk about false flags, every time you expose what they've done, every time you just bring them closer to defeat.
dan friesen
Again, the only sort of solution is give me free advertising.
Promote my shit.
That's the only solution that we're advocating for.
Go yell at people or whatever.
I mean, this is just further in that pattern that Alex has.
This is Harry Reid giving a very common sense, measured reaction.
Alex can't allow that to stand.
It's too sensible.
He's already portrayed it as him having a fit, so he has to keep interrupting it and yelling over the clip.
jordan holmes
Otherwise you'll realize he's not at all having a fit.
dan friesen
No, he's completely misrepresenting what this is.
This is how Alex deals with content that he has to alter a little bit.
jordan holmes
Hey, look, Alex, just to be clear, don't talk over clips to people who can't talk back.
That's my job.
I'm better at it.
dan friesen
Oh, boy.
Shots fired.
So Alex said that they're putting guns in the hands of schizophrenics who are on drugs.
unidentified
Sure.
dan friesen
And they're coming.
And he continues that line here saying that they're going to have to do another false flag now that Alex has blown up their original one.
alex jones
They don't know what to do.
They had the fake arrest.
They were going to announce it was a gun owner.
They had everything.
And now it's all screwed up by the grace of God.
You wanted to frame us and now you can't.
Better carry out another false flag real quick, huh?
You guys always do the same thing.
So I've been thinking about what they'll do.
They'll probably blow some more stuff up.
And they might have set the fire at that thing up in Texas.
And that's a perfect thing to get this out of the news.
They're in total panic mode.
I don't know that.
I don't have evidence of that, so we don't know.
But they do this kind of stuff, so they are prime suspects.
jordan holmes
Sure.
alex jones
Also, go to Infowarsstore.com and buy the books of high-quality water filters at the lowest prices with promo code WATER for all the water products.
dan friesen
A rare 2013 ad pivot.
jordan holmes
That was a high-quality ad pivot, too.
That one was a good one.
dan friesen
So in that clip, in the same breath, Alex is saying that he has no evidence or proof that the explosion in West Texas was a false flag by the globalists, but because he's decided that's how they operate, they're the prime suspects.
jordan holmes
It's the type of thing, the imaginary enemy I created who always does that, always does.
dan friesen
That's demented thinking.
unidentified
Oh yeah.
dan friesen
Using that very same level of shoddy logic, I could just say that one of Alex's fans did that West Texas fertilizer plant fire.
jordan holmes
It is the type of thing Alex's fans do.
dan friesen
It would be so easy.
I could just say that the fire was set on the night of the 17th and hours earlier on Alex's show he had Steve Pachenik on as a guest, declaring himself in an open state of treason against the government, encouraging lone actors to fight back against the state that had no authority to rule.
jordan holmes
And since he's full of shit, a fertilizer factory makes sense.
dan friesen
I have no evidence one of Alex's listeners did that.
But that would be the effect you'd expect to see when a high-level, credible expert goes on a rabidly anti-government radio show and tells the audience that treason is okay and it's time to act.
Obviously, I don't think that one of Alex's listeners blew up that fertilizer plant, but I want to take this moment to demonstrate how flimsy the level of inference he's using is.
jordan holmes
Right.
Actually, even then, yours makes far more sense.
Yours is far more likely.
dan friesen
You can personally feel that, but it's not true.
jordan holmes
Just on account of how much meth I imagine Alex's fans do.
dan friesen
Perhaps.
unidentified
Yeah.
dan friesen
I don't have any data on that.
jordan holmes
Look, I don't know this.
Could be true.
dan friesen
So this is kind of gross, because at this point in the episode, Alex starts sort of trying to reclaim the story about the child who died in the Boston Marathon.
jordan holmes
Oh, no, he can't reclaim that.
That's too late.
dan friesen
He starts trying to...
You know, he's saying that they're using it to make you, like, emotional about the bombing.
jordan holmes
Right, right, right.
dan friesen
And he's trying to pretend that he wants to use the kid's memory for something else.
unidentified
Sure.
dan friesen
But I would rather not talk about that at all, quite frankly.
But it's important, because in this clip, he discusses his feelings about Sandy Hook and whether or not there are actors.
And I think you might be surprised to hear where his head is at.
alex jones
Let's put the little boy on screen.
You know, the eight-year-old the media's been using?
Poor little 8-year-old.
Put me an article about him.
I want to talk about him after we take calls coming up.
You know, they're using him.
I mean, imagine he died in the Boston Marathon, and they'll put out fake conspiracies saying nobody died to discredit us all.
That's a Kat Sunstein option.
But there's also some mentally ill people out there that think nothing's real because they've lost confidence in the government.
See, a lot of idiots now know the government's lying, so they don't believe anything.
Just because the government's lying all the time and doing stuff doesn't mean that everything is a lie.
Or does it mean that, you know, nothing happened at Sandy Hook?
No, no, no.
If they've got a chance to kill some real kids, they're going to.
Because they enjoy their work.
Because after you've killed adults and stuff, I mean, the only thing that really makes you feel dark and powerful is to kill little kids.
I mean, I've studied history, I've studied criminology.
Our hearts go out to that little boy's parents.
dan friesen
Oh, good.
He studied criminology, so he knows that.
I mean, what he's saying is that the people who are saying that no one died at Sandy Hook are crazy.
And I have bad news about the guy who committed treason on your show yesterday.
jordan holmes
Yeah, yeah, yeah.
dan friesen
He has published articles on his blog about how no one died at Sandy Hook.
jordan holmes
He is crazy, though.
So Alex is technically correct.
dan friesen
But Alex is not presenting him as crazy, and he's had him on as a guest.
jordan holmes
That's true.
dan friesen
Ten times since April 1st.
Steve Pachanek has been on a fucking ton on this show, and he is someone who absolutely believes something that Alex says crazy people believe.
alex jones
Yeah.
dan friesen
So great, Alex.
jordan holmes
Who then Alex would later believe.
dan friesen
Clean house, Alex.
jordan holmes
Yeah, no shit.
dan friesen
This is sad.
So anyway, talking about this kid I think is pretty gross for Alex to do, especially because as he talks about it a little more, he begins by bragging about his empathy.
alex jones
I have extreme empathy for people.
I don't have a transitory fake emotional thing where I only have empathy when the government and the media tells me it's okay.
Iraqis kill them all.
Glass parking lot.
jordan holmes
I only have empathy when they're white.
alex jones
But then you see somebody they tell you to care about.
You're like, it's terrible.
And then they were going to say, the Tea Party blew him up.
Can you believe those dirty gun owners?
MSNBC was going to come on and I'm real sad and go, oh, the little boy.
Killed by the gun owners.
Killed by the dirty Tea Party people.
We're going to go to commercial.
The president's coming back to this press conference right now.
Is there nothing the Tea Party won't do?
They're so evil.
We better take their guns.
When we come back, I'm going to give the number out and take your phone calls on this situation.
Do you agree with me this is the biggest thing ever?
dan friesen
This is all his imagination.
He's mocking an imaginary reporter being emotionally moved by the death of a child.
This is all just his fantasies.
He's a sick fucking person who's projecting that sickness onto a sizable audience.
And I disrespect it greatly.
jordan holmes
That's just such a...
We talked about, you know, like...
The first thing that you should ask anybody is like, are you proficient at everything?
And a psychopath says, yes, I'm great at everything.
And that includes the one thing they are literally one-to-one incapable of doing, which is experiencing empathy.
dan friesen
He's great at it.
jordan holmes
He's like, I have the best empathy, which is the least empathetic person, the least empathetic thing you can say.
dan friesen
Yep.
So Alex, he starts or continues down this road that he is arguing that these images that came out in the New York Post are the same as the ones that he has and that the media and the government and the investigators and the globalists, they all had those photos this whole time.
unidentified
Sure.
dan friesen
And they were just itching to release them so they could blame this white patsy.
And then Alex starts taunting these imaginary enemies.
alex jones
Okay.
All guaranteed in newsrooms everywhere.
They want to run with the photos of the Navy SEALs and the Army and the Redneck.
And you know MSNBC and CNN had it all loaded days ago.
The photos were known.
They had to build it up, whodunit.
And they were already ready.
That's why they were like saying, yeah, it's a lone wolf.
It's not Saudi Arabia.
That's what we're getting from the Justice Department, Axelrod says.
But we're not going to tell you yet.
We want to make sure they're likely got these people.
Come on, can't we break it?
Can't we release the redneck, Patsy, first?
No, no, they've got him on ice.
But just get ready.
You've got to build this up before we destroy the Tea Party.
All right.
But you waited too long, didn't you?
That's a lesson for you.
You waited too long because we had you off balance exposing false flag and taking over the press conference that you were looking at things.
And while you waited, we hurt you bad.
But they're not destroyed yet.
They're still dangerous.
dan friesen
This is embarrassing.
jordan holmes
Fuck off.
dan friesen
But that's the same thing.
They're infinitely powered.
jordan holmes
But they closed their eyes for one second, and that's when we struck.
dan friesen
It's a key tactic of fascism.
So Alex has more pictures of the bombing and the marathon that he discusses, and I've been sort of...
I don't know, holding back a little bit of information.
jordan holmes
Coy?
dan friesen
Kind of.
I just, you know, who cares?
And we'll dispense with this major piece of Alex's narrative after this clip.
alex jones
And the whole thing is blown wide open.
And now we have the Navy SEALs with the Navy SEAL caps walking around directing the police on video.
Guys, will you show the footage of the Navy SEAL with the radiation detector?
Right after the bombs go off.
Right there in command.
And the other guys are standing around in the street with their big old black backpacks.
And they were standing right there at the end, right there with the guys that blow everything up.
Reportedly.
And oh, no, we shouldn't put all these people on the news and ask, who are they?
Because there was no drill.
dan friesen
So when Alex first started talking about these pictures of the Marines and stuff, there's nothing suspicious other than what he's imagining about them.
So I just let it be.
Hey, who cares about this?
This is stupid.
He doesn't have anything to prove anything.
He thinks these people look suspicious.
But I knew it was going to escalate.
And now we've gotten to that point where it escalates.
And it requires a bit of an explanation.
Because there are the people who are in these pictures.
More pictures have come out of them.
And one of them is holding a radiation detector.
jordan holmes
Yeah.
dan friesen
So let's discuss why.
jordan holmes
Because there could have been radiation.
dan friesen
When Alex embarked on this conspiracy road regarding these guys who he thinks were in the SEAL team, there wasn't any information to go on.
It was purely based on a couple pictures that he'd had, and he created an entire story around, entirely out of his own fantasies.
However, as I said, as the days went on, more pictures of these people came out, and more information became available that really shot holes in his theories.
And now I'm going to lay waste to all this nonsense.
The first thing you need to understand is that Alex has repeatedly cast suspicion on these men in tan pants with backpacks because they look suspicious.
One of the primary things that made these two men that were caught on camera suspicious immediately is that they appeared to be distracted and talking on phones.
That picture was presented as being before the bombing happened and showed sketchy dudes who were up to something.
Their behavior and the way they were looking around was used as evidence they knew something was going to happen.
However, later it was revealed that this picture was a cropped version of a larger image.
And if you look at the actual picture, this is very much after the bombs went off.
They appeared distracted and not looking at the marathon and what have you because bombs had just exploded.
jordan holmes
Right, right, right.
That's a good reason to be distracted from a marathon.
dan friesen
But that doesn't address their outfits.
They were wearing the same pants and shoes.
And so was someone who Alex has now found a picture of holding a radiation detector.
So what's up with that?
That still seems suspicious.
It's not Mormons.
jordan holmes
Okay.
dan friesen
On the day of the bombing, people who weren't trying to spin absurd conspiracy theories had already found the answer to this question.
These men were members of the National Guard.
This was reported on CNN's live blog on April 15th at 3.45 p.m., just about an hour after the bombs had exploded.
Quote, troops from the Massachusetts National Guard were assisting police as well.
This naturally raises the question, though, why is the National Guard on site at the Boston Marathon?
You know?
This would be a good question for Alex to ask, but he's so far away from the actual story that he doesn't even realize the answers he's demanding are already available.
On April 18th, Sergeant First Class John Soucy published an article in the Air National Guard website about interstate assistance that's common between National Guard units, in particular the civil support teams, which is what these men were members of.
Quote, the Massachusetts team was on duty during the running of the Boston Marathon, augmented by similar civil support teams from the New York and Rhode Island National Guards.
Alex legitimately couldn't have looked at too many of these photos too closely because a number of these dudes have big letters CST on their backs, short for Civil Support Team.
jordan holmes
Oh, yeah, that would make sense.
dan friesen
Kind of a giveaway.
jordan holmes
Yeah, that would help.
Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah.
dan friesen
I guess it would be easy for Alex to just say that it's the same thing, you know?
I have faith in him that he'd still be able to spin a conspiracy theory out of these dudes being, you know, just from their completely different organization than he's decided they're in.
unidentified
Yeah.
It's still suspicious that civil support teams are there, right?
dan friesen
On April 16th, 2013, Eric Durr, the Public Information Director for the New York State Military and Naval Affairs Division, told the Global Security Newswire, quote, It turns out this is very common.
According to an article in the Washington Military Department's website, their civil support team, quote, supported the presidential inauguration, the governor's inaugural ball, and worked with the Seattle Fire and Police at every Seattle Seahawks home game.
They also helped the Minnesota CST due to their increased need for assistance during the 2018 Super Bowl.
All of these events and tons of other large-scale gatherings include a police presence.
And they're regularly augmented by members of these civil support teams.
And the only reason this time sticks out in anyone's mind is because it was the time when there was actually a terrorist attack that necessitated their activation.
These teams are specifically and specially trained to respond rapidly to chemical and radiological dangers, which is why you see one of them with a radiation detector in one of the pictures from right after the bombing.
They're an important piece of the security puzzle because in case the worst thing possible happens, they're trained and ready to deal with it.
It wasn't the case that the bombs that went off at the marathon were dirty bombs.
But if they had been, you'd be thanking your lucky stars that those dudes were there because they could have saved a lot of lives.
Anyway, none of this really matters.
Alex could still easily say that the fact that they were there means that they knew something was going to happen or the CST being there meant this was a drill.
And I guess that's a decent argument if you want to call every Seahawks home game a drill, too.
None of this reality of who these men are is going to puncture Alex's conspiracy bullshit.
But it's still important to point out that by the 18th, when this episode is being recorded, it's been two days since Eric Durr publicly talked about who these guys are.
If Alex is researching this in any way, and he's really into the truth like he pretends to be, he should know this information by now, and he doesn't.
And you know what's even more interesting?
None of his callers know this either.
This is very publicly available information, and if these info warriors are really digging into the truth like they say they're interested in, I would expect for them to at least be coming up with conspiracies about the correct group of people.
But they don't.
They just mirror back Alex's narrative that these are SEALs or mercenary groups.
It's very cult-like.
And you know what?
I know that this is publicly available stuff because I only used information that was available by the 18th.
jordan holmes
Yeah, yeah, yeah.
dan friesen
To look into who these dudes are and the CST teams.
It's crazy.
I can't express how stupid this is.
Alex being like, we demand answers who these people are.
The answers are there.
jordan holmes
Yeah, yeah, yeah.
dan friesen
Dumbass, just look.
jordan holmes
No, well, I mean, they don't demand answers.
They demand the answers we want.
I have no interest.
Dan, why is it that you never see any Islamic leaders condemning radical Islam after a terrorist attack?
dan friesen
It's very much the same phenomenon.
It's the same shit.
You see what you want.
You're not looking for answers.
You're looking for your narrative.
jordan holmes
Honestly, before you even told me, it's really interesting, the CST thing.
I'm really glad I learned about that.
But if you had said that he had a photo where they were using a radiation detector, my first thought is like, This is just like those old-timey photographs where it looks like a guy is holding up a cell phone, but that's actually what a hearing aid looked like back then.
Whatever you say it is, it's bullshit.
dan friesen
Yeah, or even if the answer to this question is that they were just off-duty military people there who were there for the bombing.
One of the things that the FEMA director at the time, Craig Fugate, said in an interview was that...
I don't think it was at the time.
I think this was just something that came out around that time from a different speech he gave.
I can't remember exactly.
But his point was that when you have tragedies, first responders in our mind are paramedics and police.
But often, in reality, first responders are people who are there.
jordan holmes
Yeah, yeah, yeah.
dan friesen
Your fellow citizens might be the first responders putting a tourniquet on you.
jordan holmes
Right, right, right.
dan friesen
So you could...
You know, if the reality wasn't that these were CST team members, and that's redundant, I apologize, CST members.
jordan holmes
CST members.
dan friesen
Yeah.
If they weren't that, and they were just off-duty military people, you could still see, like, they're first responding, they have some sort of training, the police might enlist one of them to carry a radiation thing around.
jordan holmes
Right.
dan friesen
It would be conceivable, but...
jordan holmes
Yeah, the reality is...
A field medic off-duty is not just going to be like, well, not my problem, and head home.
unidentified
Fuck this noise.
jordan holmes
Yeah, no shit.
dan friesen
Yeah.
jordan holmes
Oh, man, this is a big deal, and I don't want to be anywhere near it.
dan friesen
So I think this should pretty much...
pants in these photographs is bullshit.
And you know what?
This also explains why no one's interested in these photos.
Because anybody, let's say the FBI who's investigating this, would look at that and like, oh, there's the CST members.
They would know what this fucking dude people are.
unidentified
God damn it.
dan friesen
Drives me crazy.
Yeah.
unidentified
So transparent.
dan friesen
Yeah.
unidentified
And all this is, I can't stress enough how maddening it is to look back at this and be like, all this shit.
dan friesen
Is known.
It's known.
It's not like this is closely guarded secrets.
Who are these men?
jordan holmes
Yeah.
I mean, but that's the way it all...
I think it's frustrating just because of the immediacy of it in a certain sense.
In that we've been, you know, on this long rollercoaster ride of an investigation.
But it's like any historian being like, seriously, stop saying...
That the Civil War was about states' rights.
It's in the goddamn declaration that it's about slavery.
And people are like, no, no, no, no, no.
You don't know what you're talking about.
It's right here!
dan friesen
It's the added frustration, too, of seeing this and being like, oh, this could have been stopped.
jordan holmes
Yeah.
dan friesen
This information is available.
Someone could have pointed it out.
But in reality, I understand, too, that those feelings don't plague me too much because I know how good Alex is at this stuff.
And I also know that the CST does do training.
They train local police departments for some of the...
Right, right, right.
And so, you know, because that's also part of their mandate, I could easily see Alex being like, aha, they train people, therefore exercise.
unidentified
Yeah, yeah, yeah.
dan friesen
You know, it would be still easy for him to make a conspiracy out of this.
But, I don't know.
I just, I wish, I wish that...
I honestly don't know what I wish.
jordan holmes
Yeah, I would like to see more CST training and less training how to shoot unarmed black people for my police.
dan friesen
That would be nice.
jordan holmes
That would be nice.
dan friesen
So Alex is mad here in this next clip because...
jordan holmes
Sorry, shoot.
I mean murder.
dan friesen
He sent Dan Badandi to Boston to yell at the press conferences and derail them.
And rightly, people are not thrilled with this.
People are like, this is bullshit.
jordan holmes
Yeah.
dan friesen
This is disruptive behavior.
This guy is full of shit.
And so he's mad, particularly at Glenn Beck critiquing.
alex jones
I mean, how dumb do they work?
Oh, there's no drill, they told our reporter.
And then the national media said, how dare Alex Jones, the megatroll.
That was Yahoo News.
How dare the megatroll send his reporter to ask about a non-existent drill.
The scum.
The scum.
And Glenn Beck spent 30 minutes yesterday.
Last night our crew heard it rebroadcast.
About the terrible conspiracy site, we all know who it is, that says there was security people there and that there was a drill.
Alex Jones is just so low.
I mean, there's nothing he won't do.
He's so horrible.
I mean, he's such a bad man.
dan friesen
Hate to agree with Glenn Beck, but...
jordan holmes
No kidding.
dan friesen
When you're right, you're right.
jordan holmes
God damn it, you gotta give it up to the Somali pirates when they know what they're talking about.
unidentified
Uh-huh.
dan friesen
So Alex gets around to predicting that all the people in the pictures that he has promoted and put out are probably going to be killed.
jordan holmes
Sure, sure.
dan friesen
Which is real nuts.
alex jones
But see, most of these people will be killed very, very quickly now.
And this is like the JFK deal.
It's this big.
I predict they're going to kill a bunch of the SEALs that were there.
I predict you're going to be dying in car wrecks.
You're going to be dying on heart attacks.
You'll get shot at shooting ranges.
You're all dead.
So the only chance you've got...
dan friesen
These SEALs who are actually CST folk, that everyone...
Who is looking into this knows about already.
jordan holmes
Yeah.
dan friesen
This is just sad.
This is just sad.
Anyway, Alex is convinced that these are not civil support team people because he doesn't know anything.
alex jones
Right, right.
dan friesen
He believes that they're Marines and SEALs, but they're probably higher level than even Green Berets.
Because there are levels higher than Green Berets.
And Alex has a great citation for this.
He can prove it.
jordan holmes
Unintended consequences.
alex jones
They just think they can call us conspiracy theorists.
But now you've got a Navy SEAL convention with what looks like a Green Beret retiree convention.
And by the way, you just become a Green Beret to then get recruited into black ops.
There's like five more levels above it.
At least.
jordan holmes
At least.
alex jones
There's levels above Delta Force.
jordan holmes
Okay.
alex jones
The most accurate thing is in that movie, No Way Out with Kevin Costner.
And he goes, who are these men?
They're men formerly associated with special forces.
And it looks like those exact guys, like crouching in doorways with big black backpacks, looking out like they're on...
I mean, just, this is so bad, folks.
This is so bad.
dan friesen
Yeah, that is bad.
jordan holmes
Yeah, that is bad.
unidentified
That is bad.
jordan holmes
That's very bad.
unidentified
Yeah.
dan friesen
Yeah, there's so many levels.
You know what?
Maybe there are.
But your evidence of it, the best thing that's ever been shown this is a fucking movie.
jordan holmes
Yeah.
dan friesen
Stop.
I would challenge Alex.
jordan holmes
And it wasn't even the best Kevin Costner movie, Tin Cup.
dan friesen
Sure.
I would challenge Alex to redo his career with the stipulation, you can never cite a movie.
jordan holmes
And see how well he does.
unidentified
Yeah.
dan friesen
You can never use a movie as evidence for one of your bullshit ideas.
jordan holmes
At what point do you just start saying it's the men in black?
dan friesen
Sure.
jordan holmes
You know, like, fuck off, Alex.
dan friesen
So Alex in this next clip gives a pump-up speech that is great.
We all love a little bit of fake passion.
jordan holmes
Sure.
dan friesen
But if you pay close attention to this, I think what you can do is really see the way that Alex makes a one-to-one connection between standing up to tyranny and subscribing to his version of Christianity.
alex jones
Join me in defeating tyranny.
Throw fear to the wind.
Realize the only way through this is to realize the enemy operations and to grow up and face the monsters that lurk and inhabit our government and major corporations.
The only way to be free is to be free and stand as free men and women have done throughout history and declare your independence.
Declare your independence at a spiritual subatomic level.
Declare your independence in your soul.
In your will, in your intellect, and then that will will work its will upon the world.
unidentified
Being free is a decision.
alex jones
That's all you have to do is commit to truth and ask God to open your heart, open your mind, and to use you as a vessel against evil.
Pray that prayer and turn yourself fully over to life and the Holy Spirit.
And the universe will open up, and the living water of Jesus Christ will flow straight out of the time-space continuum, and you will truly be free.
dan friesen
Wow.
That's insane.
alex jones
Man.
dan friesen
You see, though, there's this, like, explicit connection between his political ideas and trying to evangelize for his fucked-up version of Christianity.
It's very...
Clear in moments like that.
It happens on a semi-regular basis, though.
That explicit connection is drawn.
It's troubling.
jordan holmes
Yeah, I don't know.
Here's what I would imagine for him.
Post-Infowars, all he's got to do is just edit a bunch of those type of clips together, and he's got the next best-selling self-help book, right?
That sounds so much like an Eckhart Tolle, but with...
Fucking rock music behind it instead of soothing nature sounds?
dan friesen
I think it would be interesting to see.
I think his next best idea would be like...
jordan holmes
Kill himself?
dan friesen
No.
unidentified
Oh, okay.
dan friesen
That's never the answer.
It would be to just be like, okay, I realize that the political sphere is never going to save the world from the globalists.
I must be a church.
I don't think that's likely, but...
jordan holmes
It's the best way for him to make money.
dan friesen
It would be a transition he could make.
jordan holmes
Yeah, yeah, yeah, for sure.
dan friesen
It would be very similar to Kid Rock going country.
jordan holmes
Yeah.
dan friesen
That sort of sad cash grab sort of thing.
So one of our recent episodes, was it in the present day?
I can't quite remember.
But Alex was talking about how God was talking to him.
But he also said, could be God, could be my subconscious.
jordan holmes
Yeah, yeah, yeah.
dan friesen
You remember that?
jordan holmes
I do, yeah.
dan friesen
Which is troubling.
jordan holmes
Very troubling.
dan friesen
Because if Alex is mixing up God talking to him and his subconscious...
jordan holmes
It's an issue.
dan friesen
It is an issue.
This next clip presents an even bigger issue.
alex jones
When I'm totally tired, got a headache, exhausted, I will literally go in my office and just get down on my knees and say, God, give me energy, give me strength to fight.
And then my subconscious, the devil, whatever you want to call it, comes and says, oh, look, you did a bad job.
Look how obnoxious you are.
Doesn't matter.
My heart's right.
I'm doing the best job I can.
dan friesen
You're not.
But also, Alex can't tell the difference between the devil and his subconscious.
So now, if he has a thought or a feeling or a premonition, a notion, it could either be God, the devil, or his subconscious.
unidentified
Right.
dan friesen
And he doesn't know the difference between any of them.
jordan holmes
Right.
dan friesen
That's really bad.
jordan holmes
It is.
It is.
He...
Oh, man.
And...
This is bananas, but he reminds me so much of Kronk from The Emperor's New Groove when he's got the little angel and the demon on either shoulder, and he's just unaffected by either.
They're both saying nonsense, and he's like, yeah, my nonsense too, whatever, and they just move on.
That's so...
He's literally talking about having a little angel patting him on the back or a demon telling him he's evil, both of which is just a symptom of fucking depression.
dan friesen
Probably just his subconscious.
jordan holmes
Yeah, exactly.
dan friesen
And he doesn't know the difference between them.
jordan holmes
And he has no clue what's going on.
dan friesen
The difference...
jordan holmes
It could be that his...
It could be God is telling him that he's doing such a shitty job and he thinks it's the devil.
dan friesen
The difference between, like, Patrick Warburton in a cartoon and Alex is that Alex...
As a radio show, and he's a religious fucking zealot and right-wing extremist.
jordan holmes
That's an issue, yeah.
dan friesen
That makes the stakes a little higher.
jordan holmes
As opposed to a simple-minded, heart-of-gold clunk.
dan friesen
So Alex gets to taking some calls on this here episode.
And this first caller that we're going to listen to is interesting because he actually does know that the pictures aren't really the suspect.
And that the New York Post cover was a fuck-up.
jordan holmes
Okay, how's this going to go?
dan friesen
I mean, Alex is real fluid, so it's all right.
unidentified
I found a news article from the New York Magazine claiming that there's going to be pictures of the two suspects coming out today.
But within this news article, it's not claiming that the suspects are the two suspects that have gone viral in all these pictures.
It's going to be two other suspects, and these two suspects in the pictures have gone viral.
The guy in the blue jacket is actually a teenage kid who's running on his school's track team, and the guy in his white hat.
And Black Backpack is actually his track coach.
Just wanted your thoughts on that.
alex jones
No, I've said over and over again, they'll come out with cover stories and they'll put forward a distraction away from the original redneck patsies that they were going to roll out.
They're going to have cover stories.
They're going to try to spin this.
But my whole point is we put out all the suspicious groups with the backpacks, and they've chosen to go with this.
dan friesen
Suspiciously, the one that he didn't have any focus on at all is the people who actually, you know, there is footage of them dropping the backpacks at these spots, and pretty hard to get around evidence that they were the actual perpetrators.
Weird, weird that Alex had all the pictures and showed all the angles.
Mysteriously accept the correct one.
jordan holmes
Man, that's just impervious armor.
It's just impervious armor.
There's nothing you can do.
dan friesen
Any evidence that you're wrong is a cover-up.
jordan holmes
Part of the cover-up.
It's just added into the churn.
dan friesen
Because they wanted to fucking pin it on this white redneck guy.
And Alex says this, and man, he's just making all of this up.
This is based on nothing.
alex jones
That's why I said they were going to go with the rednecks, but they went with the Saudis, whether they're real or not, as a divert.
And then they probably had other backup rednecks in the area, too, that aren't in the photo.
But they're scared.
They're going over all the photos to see if we've got photos of the rednecks next to their handlers.
And again, I wouldn't want to be those rednecks right now.
Poor guys.
You know, they were like, be part of a special program to help America.
And we want to be part of a drill, just like 7-7 with those Arabs.
I want to help America.
Good, Billy.
You're going to help them now.
Are you ready?
I mean, it's just so sick.
All right, thank you.
God bless you.
dan friesen
This is all just in his head.
Like, this is one of the things that this episode, particularly in this stretch of time, was, like, really laborious to get through.
Because Alex is kind of being affected by the lack of information, too.
jordan holmes
Yeah.
dan friesen
Like, he's able to spin the, like, you know, the pretending that the New York Post cover is the official photos that were released.
We were right all along.
unidentified
Right.
dan friesen
Someone should throw me a parade.
All that stuff's all good and well, but this is, I mean, it's a little stale.
Like, it deteriorates into constant, just like, him making stuff up about what must have happened and flights of fancy that he has about these guys being chosen as patsies and, like, it's just, like, he's suffering from the same problem that the mainstream media is because as creative as he is, his creativity has kind of hit a wall.
jordan holmes
Oh, yeah.
Oh, yeah.
dan friesen
And that does make this a bit more of a slog to get through.
jordan holmes
Yeah.
dan friesen
But at the same time, Alex recognizes that, like, he's getting a lot of traffic off this, and he knows that, like, this is the time to strike.
The iron is hot right now, so he can't do anything but do all this.
alex jones
Now, some stations don't care the next hour of Uber Drive.
You only need to go to Infowars.com audio streams or Infowars.com forward slash listen, and there's a free video feed up there.
We're going to continue this talk.
Be sure to spread the word about all our AM and FM affiliates and support their local sponsors and become a sponsor.
And I don't know, John Harmon was saying a whole pass all the new stations are wanting to sign up right now.
So people are getting what's happening.
And better look your grandbabies and kids in the eyes and realize we don't beat these people.
We're going under Soviet-style occupation, mixed in with some Hitler.
dan friesen
Mixed in with some Hitler.
jordan holmes
Mixed in with a little Hitler.
dan friesen
Just a dash of Hitler.
jordan holmes
Just a dash of Hitler.
A lot of Soviet propaganda.
A little dash of Hitler.
They're not going to use the chairman.
dan friesen
You know that Alex embellishes just about everything, but I don't think that this is necessarily complete fiction.
Like, I bet he is getting some new stations wanting to sign up because of the increased stature because of this.
jordan holmes
And it helps that it's free.
dan friesen
Yeah.
This media blitz that he's kind of becoming a really hot item.
People on the internet being interested in his information because it's all bullshit.
Right.
This absence, this vacuum of real official information is making people lose their mind.
jordan holmes
Yeah.
dan friesen
And Alex is capitalizing on that and it's really scary.
So Alex jumps into this overdrive and takes some calls, some more calls.
We're going to enter a period here where we get to see just how fucking stupid Alex's listeners are.
I hate to say that.
I don't like to judge individuals as much as I judge Alex.
But some of these people are profoundly dumb.
And I know that part of it is the training that Alex gives them.
He doesn't expect much out of them.
He rewards stupid speculation.
And so that behavior is reinforced.
And you get to see some of the fruits of that.
In this first one, this caller suggests that we need vigilante posses to go around and arrest cops.
jordan holmes
No, that's not good.
unidentified
LEOs and all these people aren't the only people with power.
They have actually no power that any of the other constituents don't.
If you see people breaking the Constitution, if you see people breaking the law, put your hands on them.
Arrest somebody.
You know what I mean?
This is what I'm saying to all the people out there.
Maybe what we need is roving hordes of just good people, arresting people, breaking the law.
alex jones
Well, I mean, more and more, if a cop is breaking the law, you're supposed to be able to citizen arrest them, but they'll shoot you.
I mean, they're on such a power trip.
Not all the cops.
A lot of cops are waking up.
The globalists have over...
It's the opposite of half-baked.
They've over-baked it.
You've got to really reach out and go, come on, break the trance.
And with cops, go, treat me with respect.
Stop doing what you're doing.
Stop violating my rights.
And if they arrest you for no reason, you sue them.
dan friesen
I think Alex's response to that is probably about as good as you can do on Infowars.
jordan holmes
Yeah, that probably is.
dan friesen
I mean, yeah, there's cops that are way out of control, obviously.
Reform is very needed, but...
Going and assaulting a cop and putting them under citizen's arrest is absolutely the wrong tactical decision.
jordan holmes
It's not going to do anybody any good.
unidentified
No.
jordan holmes
I don't think you're going to be able to grab even the most corrupt cop as a citizen, even the most corrupt cop, and take them to the police station and have all the other cops be like, thanks for doing that for us.
Thank you.
We didn't have the courage to do it ourselves.
dan friesen
I think that even if you have a roving band of good guys, It's going to cause trouble.
jordan holmes
When have we ever had a...
No band of good guys has ever been roving.
Roving bands are usually bandits.
dan friesen
It doesn't seem like there's a lot of historical precedent.
So we get another caller, and this guy just is full of bullshit.
unidentified
Number one, I wanted to say to your listeners that I've listened to you for over three years.
I have read probably 50 books as a result of listening to you.
I can tell your listeners out there that Infowars...
is an extremely credible organization and the fact that you do things on such an evidence-based uh...
way of approaching the news and stuff i i totally uh...
agree with i'm an attorney so i take that very seriously and i appreciate what you I don't know if that guy's an attorney.
jordan holmes
He is absolutely not an attorney.
dan friesen
I have some questions about that.
Alex hasn't referenced 50 books.
jordan holmes
I've watched 50 movies.
He's referenced at least that many.
dan friesen
Yeah, probably.
This is so evidence-based.
Your approach to the news, you just prove everything.
This is sad, but that's the perception that Alex puts out, and it's internalized by the audience.
They accept that he says he's read everything, so he has.
Would Alex lie to you?
No, he's a hero.
He's a hero for Americana.
So this next caller, I mean, he's just saying bullshit.
unidentified
And I was able to record WCD.
It's Boston's ABC-owned and operated affiliate, ABC5.
And one of their reporters, I found this very interesting, said that the head of FEMA, which is Craig Fugate, was in Boston.
alex jones
Oh, no, that's true.
They were all there.
They were all there.
Just like they were all there for 7-7 bombing.
Yeah, no, that is confirmed, yeah.
dan friesen
That's confirmed.
So, I'm not entirely sure that the FEMA director, Craig Fugate, was in Boston on April 15th, but I can say for certain that Deputy Administrator of FEMA Richard Serino was.
I base this on a report that Serino wrote called Lessons Learned from the Boston Marathon Bombing.
jordan holmes
I was there.
dan friesen
Which was released on July 10th, 2013.
In the introduction to the report, Serino says, Patriot's Day is a sizable holiday in Boston.
He's from Boston, so he went home to celebrate.
That makes sense.
There's nothing in this report about Fugate also being in Boston when the attack happened.
I can find literally no indication that the actual director, Craig Fugate, was in Boston at the time.
However, I did find a conspiracy blog saying that the fact that Richard Serino was there is proof that the bombing was a FEMA false flag.
So I have to assume that that's what this caller is just fucking up with the details.
And he's really just talking about Serino being there.
And again, there's nothing suspicious about him being in Boston.
This is just utter shit these people are talking.
jordan holmes
Everybody knows that FEMA officials do not have any private lives whatsoever.
They were grown from a lab, and so they don't have any.
I don't know, wherever sad amphibious eyes are these days.
So, you know, there's no way that there could be any rational explanation for a FEMA official being anywhere other than the FEMA headquarters where I assume they live in camps.
dan friesen
You also, like, have to assume that...
I found this conspiracy blog about Richard Serino being there.
And if Fugate was also there, you'd have to assume that that would be a part of the conspiracy theory that's on this blog, and it's not.
jordan holmes
Even if they couldn't prove that he was there, why wouldn't they toss him in there?
dan friesen
Why not?
jordan holmes
Because you've got somebody who you can prove was there.
dan friesen
Exactly.
jordan holmes
There you go.
dan friesen
Right.
So here in this next clip, I think that we have what Alex gives.
It's close to a mission statement.
For Infowars and what they're doing right now.
And it's fucked up.
alex jones
So people need to get our articles on this out to everybody.
I mean, this is an Infowar going on right now, folks, over who can control this narrative.
We've caught them with their pants down.
But if we don't expose that, they won't go down.
God bless you, good to hear from you.
dan friesen
It's about controlling the narrative.
And that's...
All good and well in your mind.
It's the same thing with Steve when he's talking about I'm going to commit treason but I think it's patriotism.
Alex is trying to control the narrative to drive traffic to his website and increase sales.
But the narrative he's pushing is bullshit.
There's nothing behind any of this stuff.
All of the things about the pictures that he's found.
There's innocuous explanations for just about everything.
There's nothing suspicious except for what he's imagined.
He's not pushing a journalistic narrative.
He's not pushing an investigation narrative.
He's pushing his fantasies.
He's pushing his perceptions, his storyline that he's come up with that validates the idea that the federal government is evil and out to crush white gun-owning patriots.
That's all he's doing.
Controlling the narrative for him is evil.
It's propaganda.
It's misleading people.
jordan holmes
Yeah, I just...
unidentified
Man, there's just...
jordan holmes
Is it just some fucking flaw within our brains that is not going to be corrected?
These guys just can spin fiction out of nothing and convince a large enough people to be...
To be dangerous.
To be really hurtful, dangerous, monstrous people.
dan friesen
I think a lot of it comes down to a very unique talent that Alex has.
And granted, it's not unique, but there are not many people who could perform on the level that he does.
In terms of, like, he makes himself such a clown in order to be that, like, thing that seduces people in with the entertainment value.
And then they keep watching, and his vague references to things that he never explains and never actually...
Documents or proves is enough to be like, oh, he's on to something.
And then, as we've seen in the aftermath of the bombing, he's able to use real-world events and incorporate them really quickly into proving the narratives that he's laying out.
If you were listening to all this and you maybe think Alex is entertaining and you're listening and watching, a lot of your suspicions might go away that he doesn't know what he's talking about.
He's interacting with the real world in a way that he's presenting as reinforcing his worldview, but it actually doesn't.
That's part of his talent.
Other people can't do that.
Like, other people just don't have those skills.
jordan holmes
I mean, I guess...
Contemporaries, maybe not.
But, I mean, there's always one of these guys.
dan friesen
Sure.
jordan holmes
Like, these guys are, like, every...
I mean, it seems like every generation has their own one of these assholes.
dan friesen
There's different permutations, sure.
jordan holmes
Yeah.
So it's just like it just continues on this vicious cycle of bullshit being disseminated to be believed by enough people to turn bullshit into something that is real and tangible to these people.
And we get fucked!
dan friesen
Yeah, it's tough.
It's pretty tough.
jordan holmes
At the end of the day, people who believe in reality get fucked over.
dan friesen
Yeah, it's hard.
Yeah, I don't know what to tell you.
jordan holmes
Right?
dan friesen
But I do know this.
It turns out that you know how you have IQ, your intelligence quotient?
jordan holmes
I don't.
dan friesen
You know, so people have this IQ thing, right?
jordan holmes
I know.
But do they?
dan friesen
Did you know that you can actually will your IQ to rise?
alex jones
I mean, we have them.
And lying about the drill.
We have these bastards.
And praise God.
I mean, it shows commitment.
If you are committed and you study and you focus and you work.
These are men, too.
That's why they're so scared of us.
It's why they put poison in our water to dumb us down.
Once you're conscious of what they've done to us, you just gut up more in your brain.
I mean, if you tell yourself to boost your IQ, it'll boost in a crisis.
Humanity needs to get out of this slug-like trance and take action, Julio.
dan friesen
So you can just raise your IQ if you want to.
unidentified
Just focus.
jordan holmes
Do you feel smarter?
dan friesen
Yeah.
jordan holmes
Oh, okay, cool.
dan friesen
Wow, it works.
jordan holmes
You can also accept Jesus Christ into your heart.
dan friesen
That raises your IQ.
jordan holmes
That also raises your IQ.
dan friesen
Absolutely.
jordan holmes
Does he know what IQ is or how to measure it?
dan friesen
No.
But I imagine he probably doesn't think much of his audience.
unidentified
Right.
dan friesen
He probably thinks a lot of them are probably pretty stupid.
unidentified
Right.
dan friesen
And thinks that they want to be smarter.
So, appeal to that idea.
You can will yourself to be smarter if you commit to this info war.
jordan holmes
See what I'm saying?
That's some Eckhart Tolle right there.
dan friesen
That's snake oil shit.
jordan holmes
Yeah, that's Eckhart Tolle.
dan friesen
One of the things that makes my IQ go up...
Whenever I find Alex lying about something, I raise a point.
I have given myself little points.
jordan holmes
Have you?
unidentified
No.
jordan holmes
You've got to keep track of them on the whiteboard right over there.
dan friesen
Whatever the case, here, my IQ is about to rise by one.
jordan holmes
TJ Quote?
alex jones
They are on record.
In fact, tell my writers right now to look this up because I heard it on the news.
They were searching bags at the start and finish line.
Why then did they let...
20 people or more in with giant black backpacks.
I mean, this is so incredibly obvious.
How did the bombs get in when everybody was being searched?
Again, inside job, anybody.
dan friesen
Anybody?
Alex is completely lying about bags being checked.
According to the 130-page after-action report of the Boston Marathon bombing, produced in partnership by all manner of Massachusetts law enforcement and public health organizations, bags were not being checked.
From page 79 of that report, in a section titled, quote, Areas Needing Improvement, they discussed security limitations.
Quote, The areas surrounding the finish line in Boston and the starting line in Hopkinton, which are deemed to be higher risk than other public viewing areas, are screened for the presence of contaminants and devices several times during the day and are patrolled by law enforcement personnel.
However, these areas are open to the public, are heavily populated, and no screening of persons or baggage is conducted.
The report itself wrestles with how security protocols could be put in place that wouldn't completely destroy the marathon.
Quote, Because the Boston Marathon is a large public family event, there needs to be an appropriate balance between security protocols and the feel of the event.
Ultimately, it gives some suggestions, like prohibiting bags in certain places or increased police presence.
But it stresses a second time, quote, These protocols should not be so intrusive as to change the feeling of the event.
Alex is just making up the idea that all bags were screened in order to reinforce his conspiracy.
That if someone had a bomb in a backpack there, the cops would have to know and have to have let them in with it.
This is absolutely not true.
He is lying to, as he has put it, control the narrative.
That's all this is.
jordan holmes
Dan, how long is a marathon?
dan friesen
26 something miles?
26.2 miles?
jordan holmes
Yeah, yeah.
So can you check every bag along?
And even then, even if you're talking about targeted near the finish line...
You can walk.
That's such fucking...
And it's just like the TSA where it's like, here's...
And even their report at least admits that there needs to be a balance between those instead of a giant dumb overreaction that turns into fucking theater in order to make sure all of us feel like we're being watched even though it doesn't actually do anything.
Ugh!
dan friesen
People are stupid!
So in this next clip, I think Alex is recognizing that he's gotten about as far as he can go with the information that he has available to him.
Like all of the conspiracies he's spun so far, the staring at random photos from 4chan.
He's gotten about as much mileage as he can.
So what he needs the audience to do is go find local footage from the day and come up with things for him to talk about.
jordan holmes
Great.
alex jones
Everyone needs to go to different TV feeds that are online of that day and watch them with a note and pad and then call into shows, email the link, or if you have the capability, grab it, put it on YouTube.
And listen, we're going to destroy them.
They're smoking guns.
There's probably the Army handing the guys the bombs.
dan friesen
Probably.
alex jones
You know, I mean, there's probably video of the guys, you know, detonating it.
Probably.
We've got them.
We already know they did a false flag, and they just think you're too lazy and too stupid to do it.
jordan holmes
So, defeat the enemy.
alex jones
Defeat the enemy.
dan friesen
Defeat the enemy by going and finding maybe bad reporting in the immediate aftermath, like people reporting things capriciously, that then I can turn into conspiracies to prove my points.
That's all he's doing.
That's literally all he's doing.
jordan holmes
Guys, go edit more TV cartoons together to make me look right all the time.
Please.
dan friesen
Fucked up.
Fucked up.
jordan holmes
That's just not okay, right?
dan friesen
No.
jordan holmes
That's just not okay.
That's like Barnes allowing people to vote on what cases he takes.
You're like, there's just something very wrong with that.
dan friesen
I mean, the harsher reality behind that is that Barnes isn't doing that.
alex jones
No, of course not.
dan friesen
That's an appearance of control he's trying to get people to subscribe to his law center for.
jordan holmes
It's probably not legal.
dan friesen
It might not be.
I'm not sure.
It's at least inethical.
jordan holmes
Yeah.
dan friesen
As is what Alex does next.
And that is he turns over the show to Jakari Jackson and David Knight.
Who hosts for a while.
And Alex, you know, he knows that the press conference that the FBI is holding is coming up, and so he teases that a little bit.
alex jones
All right, ladies and gentlemen, we're going to come back with Jakari Jackson and David Knight and your phone calls and some other breaking news and then more phone calls and then the press conference with Obama in an hour and a half or the FBI with their new patsy.
We're on the mark.
dan friesen
They got their new patsy.
jordan holmes
They got their new patsy.
dan friesen
He's already done the work and he has preemptively discredited whatever they come out with at that FBI conference.
jordan holmes
That's so funny.
He doesn't even need to talk about whether or not his patsies were the right ones or anything like that.
Doesn't matter.
Here are their new patsies.
dan friesen
Yeah, absolutely.
jordan holmes
That's it.
dan friesen
And normally, you know what I would do is David Knight and Jakari Jackson are taking over.
Click.
jordan holmes
Right.
dan friesen
But that press conference is coming up while the show is still going to be going.
jordan holmes
Yeah.
dan friesen
And I know, because I live in 2019, that that press conference is a crucially important piece of this.
And I needed to see what the immediate reaction would be on Infowars of the suspect's photos being released.
jordan holmes
Sure.
dan friesen
And so I decided to keep listening.
While David Knight and Jakari Jackson host.
And something that's very interesting is that Alex doesn't really leave the studio.
jordan holmes
See, now that's kind of what I suspected was going to happen.
dan friesen
I honestly think that he might be drinking.
Like, it might be a 2013 drunk Alex.
Because he cannot stop barging into the studio and interrupting them while they're trying to do their show.
Jakari is trying to talk about Janet Napolitano, and Alex is just yelling in the studio.
alex jones
Look how arrogant she is.
They're scared, man.
It's a confidence game.
Hey, listen, you witch pig.
We know what you did!
Excuse me.
I apologize about yelling in your ear.
unidentified
That's okay.
alex jones
Got any hearing?
Got any hearing left?
I love how we just leave these vitamins over here.
It's like when we're doing the shot, there's like this big pile of vitamins.
All right, I'm getting out of here.
I'm getting out of here.
dan friesen
No, you're not.
jordan holmes
Oh, he's drunk.
dan friesen
He's not getting out of there either.
He keeps coming back.
jordan holmes
I love how we leave these piles of vitamins around.
dan friesen
Is that trying to buzz market longevity, Alex?
jordan holmes
Man.
Jesus.
dan friesen
So they, because they're not great at this point, David Knight and Jakari Jackson are not super...
I mean, David Knight's never good, and Chikari left before he ever got too much exposure on the actual Alex show.
He's mostly on the nightly news.
But they're not good.
So they take a lot of calls.
And one thing I will say to their credit, they move along with the callers.
Whereas Alex will just take a caller, the caller will say something for two minutes, then Alex will rant for ten and be like, sorry, no time for more calls.
jordan holmes
Sure, sure, sure.
dan friesen
They at least are like, all right, make your point, we'll say something, and then next caller.
Okay.
unidentified
Like, it's actually how a call-in show is supposed to go.
jordan holmes
Right, right, right, right.
According to your twisted vision.
dan friesen
Unfortunately, they're still Infowars callers.
unidentified
Sure, sure.
dan friesen
So they're still very stupid.
jordan holmes
Sure.
unidentified
Also, I wanted to let everybody know that, you know, you've got to understand that Alex Jones doesn't just pull all the stuff from his rear end.
I mean, he gives you the tools.
He gives you all the evidence you need.
A lot of these other media sources, they don't do that.
They don't give you the sources.
So before you start arguing that, you know, Alex is a shill.
He's a, you know, this and that.
He's a misinformation agent.
He provides everything there.
You just need to look into it.
And I just wanted to say I appreciate and love you guys.
jordan holmes
Love you guys.
dan friesen
So stupid.
jordan holmes
Even in 2013, every fucking word was hyperlinked to a source.
If you read any article on Guardian, 50 words are hyperlinked to the source that proves the reason that the word...
dan friesen
There are a lot.
jordan holmes
Every fucking one.
dan friesen
Yeah.
So, like, that guy's just stupid.
He thinks Alex proves everything that he says.
Bullshit.
Absolutely not true.
But this next caller is stupid in a way that I actually find repulsive.
unidentified
I was calling about the guy you have a picture of that's carrying the radiation detector.
jakari jackson
Yes, sir.
unidentified
Yeah, he went on Wolf Blitzer, and his name is Dr. David King.
If you go to, let's see here, the Situation Room for yesterday, about 6.35 Eastern Time, he was on there with him, and he claims that he left the race before the explosion.
jakari jackson
Situation, repeat how we can find that again.
Situation room with Wolf Blitzer.
unidentified
Situation room with Wolf Blitzer and type in Dr. David King.
dan friesen
So, as always, Alex's callers are a showcase of stupidity.
Alex has trained his audience to trust their guts and just make connections between any two things they might think are related.
So when they call in, that's all they have to operate on.
It's tremendously dangerous.
Since Alex doesn't really have a high standard for what information he'll just repeat, like you've seen these things snowball on our show before.
In this case, this caller is completely wrong.
Dr. David King was a person who was on Wolf Blitzer.
But he's not the person in Alex's photo holding a radiation meter who was a member of the civil support team, which Alex has no idea about, nor does anybody else who has any interaction with Infowars.
jordan holmes
Of course not.
dan friesen
The story this caller is trying to pitch is a disgrace to Dr. King, and he should be ashamed of himself for saying something like this on a nationally syndicated show with literally no evidence.
King's wife was an avid runner, and she had previously run in the Boston Marathon.
One year, he went along to watch at the finish line, and he saw the looks of accomplishment and glee in people's faces as they crossed the line, and he just loved it.
To quote King, quote, So he decided to do it himself and chase that feeling.
In 2013, he ran the marathon and finished about an hour before the bombs went off.
He lingered a while to watch other runners complete their race and see the excitement and exuberance in their face, and then he left.
On his way home, news broke about the bombs, and he immediately headed for Massachusetts General Hospital.
He did that because he's a trauma surgeon.
This man had just finished running a marathon, and he selflessly went immediately to try and help victims of the attack.
I don't know everything about Dr. David King, but his actions in the aftermath of the Boston bombing are the sorts of things you can easily describe as acts of everyman heroism.
When he could have easily just rationalized going home to shower or saying, I literally just ran a marathon!
Sure, or just say, like, there's other doctors, someone else will help.
He could have done that.
He didn't.
He jumped right in and saved people's lives.
This caller has randomly decided that he's the person in one of Alex's pictures because of a slight physical similarity.
And he's trying to turn King's story of heading right back to Mass General into a lie because the photos proved that he was there at the scene of the bombs.
Fuck this caller and fuck him again for choosing to spout this shit on the only news outlet likely just to repeat the claim without looking into it.
Without even knowing what they're doing.
They're trying to turn a hero into a villain.
Trying to rob a person of their noble act.
All in the name of making their conspiracy sound more plausible.
This is detestable behavior.
And I cannot stress that enough.
All of these people should be deeply ashamed of themselves.
This caller should still feel bad about this to this day.
And yet they never will be.
They don't even give a fuck.
jordan holmes
But that's a feature for them.
That's a feature.
The feature for them is always turning the people who exercise empathy...
initiative and heroism into villains because what they are is people who won't and don't.
You know, like the way they treated when you went through the story of Soros' dad and all of his acts of heroism and then you see what they're doing to him and you're like, that's part of the goal.
If people are heroes, then you want to follow those guys.
dan friesen
Well, it's that dynamic, or they turn heroes into props.
If it suits the narrative that they want to push.
jordan holmes
They have to control the narrative, and a hero is bad for that.
dan friesen
Control that narrative, baby!
jordan holmes
Heroes are bad for the narrative.
dan friesen
So, I just really fucking hate stuff like that.
It drives me up a wall.
Like, David King did exactly what you would applaud someone doing.
jordan holmes
I think you would give somebody a fucking award for doing that shit.
dan friesen
And here he's being painted as a conspirator in a plot to bomb civilians.
So anyway, another stupid caller calls in.
unidentified
My cousin just called me less than an hour ago.
There has been a bomb threat at Cal State Los Angeles.
jakari jackson
Cal State Los Angeles.
Can we get on that, guys, please?
unidentified
They are evacuating the school.
They've never done this in my four years there.
It's never been this big.
My cousin called me to tell me that they're closing down the school because of a bomb threat.
dan friesen
You know what?
I want to take that back.
That's not totally fair.
This caller isn't as stupid as all the others because that is a real thing.
jordan holmes
Right.
dan friesen
There was a bomb threat at Cal State on April 18th.
jordan holmes
Right, right, right.
dan friesen
But don't call into infowars about this.
This has nothing to do with the Boston bombing.
It was almost certainly the result of a prank call phoning in a fake bomb threat.
That's just something that campus administrations can't ignore, especially the days after the Boston bombing.
You know what, Jordan?
Something people probably don't want to think about is that there are a fuckton of people who call in bomb threats to schools.
jordan holmes
All the time.
dan friesen
In 2016, the Educators' School Safety Network did a study on the phenomenon.
It's really scary to think about.
Obviously, almost all of them are fake threats.
But it's still such a horrible sort of prank for a person to pull, and to imagine that so many people choose to do it makes me feel real bad about humanity.
They found that in the 2015-2016 school year, there were 1,267 bomb threats made to U.S. schools.
There were 206 in January 2016 alone, which comes out to about 10 per school day.
That's a reality that school administrators around the country just have to live with and deal with.
Yeah.
My heart goes out to the students at Cal State that had to go through this scare.
Like, that obviously is not something you want to have to experience.
But this story being introduced into Alex's show can only do harm.
There's no reason for this to be broadcast.
jordan holmes
I just can't get over it.
This has never happened in all four years I've been here.
Great, dude.
dan friesen
It's still slightly relevant.
jordan holmes
I get that, but all four years of my...
dan friesen
The reason I also feel a little bit bad about calling him stupid, he's a college kid who, like, his experience in the real world isn't as robust as...
Right.
jordan holmes
No, no, no.
His brain hasn't finished developing.
I understand that.
And I understand that the outsized importance four years to a college kid...
unidentified
Totally.
jordan holmes
As compared to somebody who is our age.
dan friesen
It's basically his whole adult life.
jordan holmes
Yeah, yeah, yeah.
Pretty much.
But at the same time, man, if you are in college and you have been there for four years, you should at least have learned by now that four years is not that big of a measure of time.
dan friesen
You would hope.
unidentified
Yeah.
dan friesen
And also, he is still stupid because he decided to call into InfoWare.
jordan holmes
That's all it was.
Strike two!
dan friesen
I tentatively am still calling him stupid.
Here's another dumb fuck caller.
unidentified
All right.
Yes, sir.
I just have one question about Boston.
jakari jackson
Sure.
unidentified
If we had all these policemen there, hundreds of them, soldiers there, how many of them were hit by Stratmer when these things went off?
jakari jackson
I do not know the answer to that question.
unidentified
Or were they willing to get out of the way?
jakari jackson
I don't know, because we've heard the reports of, well, Rob Dewitt's given the story about his brother-in-law was in the Army, I believe.
He's a jogger in the Army, and he was pulled out of the race, his brother-in-law, before the bombs went off.
As far as I know, I'm not saying there haven't been, but I've not heard any stories of police or military being hit by the shrapnel.
Have you, David?
dan friesen
I know that he's asking that question to David Knight.
But I figure I might be better equipped to field it, so I'm going to take this one.
jordan holmes
Go for it.
dan friesen
Generally speaking, it's the practice of journalists not to name all of the people who are injured in a situation like this to protect their privacy.
A number of folks made the choice to be identified, and that's their decision, and it's no different for a police officer.
I would assume that they would have the choice to discuss their injury if they want to, but I'd also assume they might be less likely to, since it could possibly feel like an attempt to make the story about themselves and maybe...
Police officers would be more likely to not want that kind of attention.
jordan holmes
Yeah.
dan friesen
I don't know.
It's very difficult to trace down the identities of all the people who were injured in the bombing.
I think that's a good thing.
Leave these people the fuck alone.
They've been through enough.
All that being said, I can still tell this twang-mouthed caller that he's a fucking idiot.
A USA Today story from April 15th, the day of the bombing, literally says, quote, bloodied spectators were carried to a medical tent for runners.
At least one police officer was hurt.
So there we go.
We got an injured cop, buddy.
jordan holmes
Yeah, but the globalists always have to injure one cop so it throws you off the scent.
dan friesen
Right.
Now what?
Does showing that one cop was hurt in the bombing somehow make your paranoid delusions that the globalists pulled all their agents out so they wouldn't get hurt?
Go away.
Of course it doesn't.
These aren't sincere questions.
They're conspiracy bullshit pretending to be curiosity.
This asshole doesn't want to know if any cops got injured.
He wants to inject the idea that none were to reinforce the idea that there was foreknowledge and this is a false flag.
That's why Jakari immediately starts talking about Robdu's brother, because that's the Infowars talking point that matches up with this conspiracy bullet point.
Meanwhile, at least one cop did get hurt.
It was reported three days prior to them being on air here, so they have every reason to know that.
And they still haven't even proved shit about Rob Dew's brother.
He might have actually been dehydrated for all we know.
This all amounts to nothing.
And get this.
Even if Jakari or David knew that this USA Today article exists that says one cop was injured, it's in their best interest to not know that.
jordan holmes
Oh, yeah.
Because...
Don't ask questions you don't want to actually know the answer to.
dan friesen
Right.
It actually is advantageous as an InfoWars reporter to not know a lot.
jordan holmes
Do not learn anything.
dan friesen
Because if you do, if you have read this article, this twang-mouthed idiot calls in and he's like, do we know if any cops got hurt?
And you're like, yeah, actually it was reported right after the bombing that there was a cop who was injured.
Where do you go, then?
It's a dead end.
It's a propaganda dead end.
jordan holmes
Yeah.
dan friesen
So you intentionally stay blissfully naive of any real information, and it allows you to lie.
unidentified
Right.
jordan holmes
Being a journalist is disqualifying to try and get a job as a journalist at Infowars.
unidentified
Mm-hmm.
Mm-hmm.
jordan holmes
I suppose maybe like a short fiction writer would be better suited for it.
unidentified
Sure.
jordan holmes
I think that'd be great.
dan friesen
I mean, Jakari wrote that comic book after he left.
unidentified
Yeah, yeah, yeah.
jordan holmes
Get a nice little New Yorker byline.
unidentified
I like it.
dan friesen
I don't think they can.
jordan holmes
I think so.
dan friesen
So at this point, Alex barges into the studio again because he wants to laugh about how the press conference is coming up.
jordan holmes
Of course.
unidentified
We will provide you with accurate information as it becomes available.
I look forward to that.
Thank you.
I yield back.
alex jones
Don't say it on air.
jakari jackson
And there it is.
You saw Miss Napolitano right there.
We will provide you, sir.
Don't get your sources anywhere else.
We will provide you with said information.
unidentified
The press conference is coming up in 20 minutes.
alex jones
That's all I can say.
jakari jackson
Alex seems very excited about this press conference, and we will be giving you live coverage on that.
dan friesen
I do think he's probably drunk.
jordan holmes
Oh, yeah.
dan friesen
So we get back to stupid callers now.
jordan holmes
Jesus!
dan friesen
Here's another stupid-ass caller.
unidentified
Just a quick question.
I don't know if you guys have to look at YouTube about Charlie Chaplin.
jakari jackson
I'm sorry, I can't hear you.
Can you get a little closer to your phone?
unidentified
Oh, yeah.
Charlie Chaplin?
I don't know if you guys watched his video on YouTube, Message to the Humanity.
jakari jackson
Are you talking about the original Charlie Chaplin?
dan friesen
Or is this somebody new?
unidentified
Yeah, I mean, I'm not really too sure if it's somebody new or somebody original.
But there's a video on YouTube that just keeps me on.
No, I haven't seen it.
jakari jackson
What's the video about?
unidentified
No!
Stop it!
jakari jackson
Okay.
unidentified
All right.
dan friesen
Well, that's insane.
jordan holmes
Is he literally pulling a quote, a little clip from Charlie Chaplin's The Dictator?
dan friesen
The Great Dictator, yeah.
He didn't.
Someone else didn't put some music behind it.
jordan holmes
Oh, my God.
dan friesen
But this caller is informing David and Jakari about a hot video on YouTube, which, like you've already deduced, is just a little clip from Charlie Chaplin's Great Dictator.
That fucking movie came out in 1940, and it also was nominated for four Oscars that year.
It was huge.
jordan holmes
It's a good movie.
dan friesen
That video gets passed around a lot.
And there's no reason for, let's say, David and Jakari not to be able to figure it out when he says it's about how he doesn't want to be a dictator.
unidentified
Yeah, yeah, yeah.
dan friesen
It's like, oh, that's from The Great Dictator.
But look, dude, a lot of people forget, they tend to forget that that...
That clip comes from a full-length movie, and that the speech being given, the character is a Jewish man pretending to be a character who's clearly Hitler.
unidentified
Yeah.
dan friesen
Like, it's not Hitler.
jordan holmes
It's not subtle.
dan friesen
Right.
jordan holmes
It is not subtle.
dan friesen
But that clip doesn't take into account that that's not actually the character of Hitler.
jordan holmes
Right, right, right.
dan friesen
It's a guy pretending.
jordan holmes
Right.
dan friesen
Anyway, that movie is one of the most enduring pieces of comedic satire of fascism and authoritarian rulers, released in the fucking middle of World War II.
And it's pretty amazing that neither Jakari or David really seem to register what the caller's talking about.
It's also pretty amazing that this caller doesn't know who Chaplin is and seems unclear about whether or not he was watching something that might be new.
These callers are so fucking stupid.
jordan holmes
I know, I know.
I mean, I don't want to be...
I'm not going to be too much of a dick to this kid.
For not knowing about the dictator.
I get that.
But that's like dragging on people on Twitter who are like, oh man, it's cool that this Paul McCartney guy is going to be famous now because of Kanye or something like that.
dan friesen
I still think it's okay to make fun of that.
jordan holmes
I agree.
It's okay to make fun of it.
But it's like, that's fucking stupid.
You just learn more.
dan friesen
You know what you're mocking, though?
And when you do that, you're mocking a lack of interest.
This person is calling into Infowars to talk about this hot new Charlie Chaplin video, which he saw on the internet.
jordan holmes
Yes.
dan friesen
Finding out who Charlie Chaplin is is one click away.
jordan holmes
He really is.
dan friesen
And he didn't do that.
Instead, he saw the video and was like, hey, y 'all heard of Charlie Chaplin?
To call Infowars about it.
jordan holmes
Jesus.
dan friesen
That is worth mocking.
jordan holmes
That is bad.
dan friesen
That impulse is worth mocking.
jordan holmes
I know.
I want to be kinder to...
Because I don't mind...
dan friesen
I'm running thin on patience.
unidentified
Yeah.
dan friesen
But also, when I sit back and think about it, I can kind of understand how...
How, like, Jakari and David, who are people who work for a fascist-leaning propaganda outlet, probably wouldn't be too into exploring the world of fascism satire.
jordan holmes
Yeah, no, that could get them in trouble.
dan friesen
So it makes sense that they might not know about The Great Dictator.
jordan holmes
I could get them in real trouble.
dan friesen
David Knight would rather watch Song of the South again than go back to the classics.
jordan holmes
Oh, those were the good old days.
dan friesen
So now, another stupid caller.
unidentified
How you doing?
jakari jackson
Doing very well.
unidentified
Good.
I was calling in to make sure people were informed of the Act of 1871, which turned the United States into a corporation.
Two constitutions now are in place.
The organic constitution and the corporate constitution.
Which doesn't.
jakari jackson
You said the Act of 1871?
unidentified
Yes, sir.
jakari jackson
Okay, go ahead.
jordan holmes
There was only one act that year.
It was a single act play that year.
dan friesen
This...
I've been saying these callers are stupid.
jordan holmes
This one exceeds even my expectations.
Go to fucking town on that one, Dan.
dan friesen
I really don't have time to get into the ins and outs of this theory, but basically it's sovereign citizenship.
Tracing back to capitalized letters.
That sort of bullshit.
I honestly don't even care about this.
If you look into it at all, you just end up on dumb fuck blogs and message boards with people talking about how sneaky the Rothschilds are.
So, just come on.
The Act of 1871 just created the District of Columbia.
Yeah, I know.
jordan holmes
I just...
It sucks, and it makes so much sense that sovereign citizens are both the dumbest and most violent.
Like, those two have to...
dan friesen
It's unfortunate.
jordan holmes
Those two are like that Venn diagram of like, oh, that's the dead center.
dan friesen
So we get to the press conference.
And it's pretty short, but it was designed to be pretty short.
It was just announcing these images and they were going to take a few questions.
It was not meant to be a half hour affair or anything.
And so here is the immediate response from David and Jakari Jackson right after the press conference ends.
jakari jackson
So, you heard the FBI agent say, these are the only images that you need to focus on.
These two guys out of everybody in the crowd.
And don't get me wrong, I'm sure the FBI is competent and definitely looking into the situation.
But, as Dan pointed out, we have other images on Infowars.com.
There are images on other sites that may not be on Infowars.com of other people that may be included in the bombing.
dan friesen
When he said Dan pointed out, he's not talking about me.
jordan holmes
No, he's not.
dan friesen
He's talking about Dan Badandi.
jordan holmes
Yeah.
dan friesen
As I was listening to that press conference, I could already tell how it was going to land from a spin perspective.
Richard Delorius of the Boston FBI, whose name I'm pretty sure I'm still mispronouncing, but maybe less so than when I thought it was Desilorius.
jordan holmes
Oh, that's not good.
dan friesen
Anyway, he takes the podium and explains that they've conducted a very intense investigation and are confident that they have pictures of the correct suspects.
This assessment is based on photographic evidence of one suspect.
Yeah, yeah, yeah.
You'd get people killed.
jordan holmes
Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah.
dan friesen
In his prepared remarks, he asks for the public's help in identifying the two people in these pictures, but also says that other pictures of people are circulating are not relevant.
Yeah, very much so.
But I knew as soon as it came out of his mouth that the spin was going to be that the man doesn't want you looking at these forbidden images.
And I almost gasped when Dan Badondi...
Yelled about Infowars having other pictures in the background at that press conference.
jordan holmes
He was there yelling at the FBI press conference.
dan friesen
I should have realized.
I really should have.
jordan holmes
Yeah, of course.
That's the only place he could be in that moment.
dan friesen
I had forgotten that he was in Boston.
jordan holmes
Of course.
dan friesen
I'm completely immersed in this stuff.
And yet, even for me, it was shocking to hear him there interacting with and interfering with the really important real-world moment.
You know, it's one thing for Alex to manipulate and lie to everyone about highly emotional and sensitive things, but I was thinking about this moment, and what Dan Badandi is doing as an official InfoWars employee could be described as trying to disrupt a federal investigation.
It was an impotent effort.
It's not like there's really anything that he could do with this, but his intention is to be a public nuisance, and he's hoping to derail the FBI's investigation into these two suspects.
He can pretend like he's doing it because he knows the real truth about the case, but the intention is the same.
His efforts are explicitly directed at creating publicity stunts to get attention off the real suspects.
And that's fucked up.
I don't know if that's a crime, but it feels like...
It borders on obstruction.
jordan holmes
I don't know how much it borders.
dan friesen
It's hard to say.
It's real fucked up.
jordan holmes
I suppose the only thing they would have to know that they weren't the real suspects.
Which, they do.
So, I think it is obstruction of justice.
dan friesen
Yeah.
I don't know.
When you look at it through that prism...
These actions seem a lot worse.
jordan holmes
Yeah.
dan friesen
So Alex now barges into the studio and yells about how they're desperate in their cover-up.
jordan holmes
I imagine he tears his shirt open and he's fucking...
unidentified
Might as well, love.
jakari jackson
All right, now, once again...
alex jones
Hey, guys, I just gotta say, I'm gonna cover this on the nightly news.
This is a desperate cover-up.
You're just putting rabbit trails out left and right.
We've got the people.
We've got the Patsy, the redneck they were going to burn, that they pulled the military up to grab out of the courthouse.
We've got them with the Saudis, everything.
They are shut down, man.
They are in disarray right now.
So the good news is they're not blaming us right now for this.
unidentified
That is the good news.
alex jones
And again, they just want to keep throwing distractions out and say, please don't look at any other photos that are out there, i.e.
FallWars.com.
Janet Napolitano is in Congress.
Do not look at Drudge, who's carrying our stuff.
We are engaging the globalists at point-blank range right now.
unidentified
Yep.
jakari jackson
Thank you, Alex.
All right, so, Alex, you're doing the show tonight, correct?
alex jones
Yeah, yeah.
jakari jackson
Okay.
All right, there you go.
Alex Jones, 7 p.m. Central, InfoWars, Nightly News.
dan friesen
Alex reneges on that booking a little bit later and says, Jakari, you're hosting tonight.
unidentified
Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah.
jordan holmes
That's a lot of work.
dan friesen
Alex leaves, and then about like a minute, two minutes, a little bit later, he barges back in.
unidentified
Just watch the senator questioning.
jakari jackson
Napolitano?
jordan holmes
Yeah.
alex jones
Hey, guys, keep going.
Get Badandi on his collar.
Badandi.
jakari jackson
Okay, all right.
alex jones
Guys in front of him, guys on him.
jakari jackson
Okay, Adam, just hang on.
We've got to get Dan Badandi.
Stay right there, Adam.
Tell us when you have Dan on the line.
So we have Dan Badandi.
He was at the press conference.
If you didn't see him, you definitely heard him.
alex jones
By the way, the viewers, we're overwhelmed.
We can't upload all this to YouTube.
Listeners, you clip all this out.
Put the juicy clips on YouTube.
We'll put them on Infowars.com.
We need everybody's help.
This is War Room, baby.
jakari jackson
Yep.
alex jones
InfoWars is shutting their ass down!
jakari jackson
Alright, there's Dan Badani.
dan friesen
Oh, this is a mess.
Wow.
This is a mess.
Hey guys, I can't be bothered to cut clips.
Don't you have a staff?
What's going on?
I need all of you to do my work for me and then I'll repost it.
unidentified
That's just crazy.
dan friesen
So they get to talking to Dan Badandi, and his big thing is that he was mobbed at the press conference, basically.
jakari jackson
Okay, Dan, so you start asking your questions.
Now, were you surrounded?
Were you mobbed by the FBI guys?
unidentified
Oh, yeah.
They come right up to me like a bunch of Gestapo's.
I tell them, I'm not afraid of you criminals.
jakari jackson
So about how many...
Yeah, Dan, about how many people do you think there were that surrounded you?
unidentified
I mean, you should be able to see it on the news here.
I was just too excited at the time, and I'll just say it's crazy over here.
I mean, we've got cops here and Albert over here.
I've got two guys in the body video camera now the whole time, and hopefully we can make it safely out of Boston.
dan friesen
Hopefully I can make it safely out of Boston.
jordan holmes
Yeah, he's like reporting like he's in a fucking war zone and not just at a very calm press conference.
dan friesen
The only intensity of it really was the gravity of the situation and himself.
unidentified
Yeah, yeah, yeah.
dan friesen
Those are the only thing.
And like, obviously, I don't think that anyone cares about his bullshit.
Like, we have these other pictures at Infowars.com.
That's what he was yelling during his question.
I don't think they care.
I don't think the FBI gives a shit if people are looking at these pictures and speculating about them online.
They care about the tip line.
They care about the actual investigation that they're carrying out, and they know that if people are trying to give them tips about the CST guys, it's a waste of fucking time, and they're not interested in that.
That's a distraction.
But if you know who these two suspects are, we need your help with that.
We haven't identified them.
So I think that they're easily taking that and misrepresenting it as the media and the FBI and the DHS don't want you looking at our shit, whereas they don't care.
Leave them alone about that shit.
They don't care.
jordan holmes
Yeah, it is one of those situations where those press conferences and all the fucking, like we've talked about the names for shit that the UN has and all that stuff.
They need a consultant to be like, oh, here's the language that if you use this, they're going to twist it against you.
Here's what you want to say.
Don't focus on the other photographs.
I understand why you would want to put it that way, because I hear words and they make sense to me.
But what you need to say is, we would like tips on these people.
Don't use the negative reinforcement whatsoever, otherwise they'll be like...
dan friesen
Or say...
Have fun with your piddly bullshit.
jordan holmes
Yeah, exactly.
Yes, exactly.
dan friesen
Be dismissive and insulting to...
jordan holmes
Enjoy.
dan friesen
Yeah.
jordan holmes
We would love that, but just don't call us.
dan friesen
Why don't you go read articles from days ago explaining who those dudes are that you're so suspicious of Navy SEALs and shit.
jordan holmes
Hey, you're the one always arguing that they need to have a certain level of professionalism and I need a separate, yellow, obvious shit thing.
dan friesen
I understand that.
I'm not seriously suggesting this.
I'm talking...
About maybe what would be fun to see in a movie.
jordan holmes
Yes.
dan friesen
As opposed to what would function in the real world.
jordan holmes
Right, right, right, right.
dan friesen
Because I would rather this FBI guy just give him the DX socket.
unidentified
Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah.
dan friesen
Hey, why don't you go fuck yourself, asshole?
But obviously that isn't sustainable in the real world.
jordan holmes
No, probably not.
dan friesen
So Badandi here now gets into talking about how he destroyed that press conference with truth.
And then Alex suggests a dangerous plan of action.
unidentified
Oh, absolutely.
I showed them the photographs, and I noticed, right, when I presented the photographs, notice how the clown in the back of me put up his clipboard to block my photographs from the cameras.
jakari jackson
Really?
unidentified
And they didn't want these photos to be shown.
They shot the entire press conference.
Because I revealed, I exposed the truth of what's going on.
jakari jackson
Okay, Dan, can you think of anybody in particular?
Did you notice any particular affiliate or anybody you talked to?
alex jones
Devastating victory.
Devastating.
Everybody should join him at the next press conference.
All real media.
Converge on Boston.
Defeat the terrorists.
unidentified
All right.
jakari jackson
Alex.
dan friesen
He's trying to get people to go to Boston to disrupt and harass people.
unidentified
Yep.
dan friesen
This is exactly the same sort of behavior he's being sued about.
For Sandy Hook stuff.
And you see it's very clearly in his repertoire of actions.
Everyone, all quote-unquote real media, needs to converge on Boston and defeat the terrorists.
Goddamn.
jordan holmes
Cut to that backfiring and people taking him literally and Dan Badandi getting wrecked.
unidentified
And Alex is having to pretend that Dan Badandi never worked for him.
dan friesen
Alex is celebrating like a returning hero on this episode.
I'm so glad I hired you.
So Alex gets into that white patsy.
Obviously, they're not going with him.
He's probably already dead.
alex jones
They don't want the white redneck patsies.
They probably already executed out there.
They don't want the Navy SEALs.
They are scared.
I'm telling you, folks, you get these articles out that are at Infowars.com.
This is coffin nails to the tyranny.
Go ahead, Dan.
unidentified
And if you notice on the TV, Alex, when I was doing this, the looks on these criminal stations, they jumped off that stage like, oh my God, we just got exposed to the world.
dan friesen
They didn't.
And they're trying to present this idea that they're so scared of him coming in with this.
I think they're disgusted.
I think it's more like yelling stupid shit.
He's being super disruptive.
I don't know how you react to that in a professional manner other than exactly what people did.
They're asking, he's yelling, is this a false flag?
And the answer, no.
Next question.
You just try and accommodate as best as you can, but also feel sickened that someone is acting like this.
Because everybody who's engaged with the real world understands that there's a tragedy and there's people on the loose that these people are working really hard to try and find.
Now you have someone just making a show out of it.
It's disgusting.
It's counter to the interests of the community, quite frankly.
jordan holmes
God damn it.
That's such a good distillation of our president.
dan friesen
So they try and go back to Dan Badandi.
They finish talking to him, and then they realize that he's still on the line.
And so they try to go back to him.
And here is where we get a cameo.
Very unexpected cameo from someone.
jordan holmes
Richard Belzer?
jakari jackson
Okay, I'm sorry.
Rob, hang right there.
We have Dan Badandi back.
Dan, go ahead.
Hello, Dan.
Can you hear me?
I can't hear him.
Yeah, Dan, are you there?
Yeah.
unidentified
I'm sorry, this is Dan's wife?
jakari jackson
Oh.
unidentified
Oh, okay.
jakari jackson
Does she want to talk to us?
dan friesen
That was Kelly, Alex's ex-wife now, and they are months away from a divorce.
And you can kind of hear it in her voice.
She does not seem happy at all.
I do not know what's going on there in that dynamic, but that was fucked up.
jordan holmes
How so...
dan friesen
Probably telling Alex to calm down his bullshit.
unidentified
Yeah, that suggests that they were on the other line.
dan friesen
Yes.
jordan holmes
So they accidentally clicked over to the wrong line.
So she was talking to Alex on the work phone.
dan friesen
Yes.
jordan holmes
And they clicked over to her.
Yeah, that's the only way that that could have happened.
dan friesen
Yeah, she called in to Infowars to probably be, I don't know what, but she does not sound happy there.
jordan holmes
No.
dan friesen
That's the only time I think I've ever heard her on the show.
jordan holmes
Yeah.
dan friesen
Is popping in accidentally there.
jordan holmes
This is Alex's wife.
You're on the wrong line.
dan friesen
It doesn't even sound that annoyed.
She seems mad.
jordan holmes
Yeah, well, that's possible.
dan friesen
There's a tone of, I don't want to talk to you.
jordan holmes
There is a tone of a bit like, this means Alex put me on fucking hold, doesn't it?
dan friesen
Yeah, must be.
Doesn't seem good.
jordan holmes
Nope.
dan friesen
So they continue encouraging people to go to Boston.
And at this point, Alex gets very celebratory about a particular thing.
unidentified
Go to Boston right now if you're listening.
jakari jackson
Yes.
david knight
If you get out of your basement, get away from your computer and go to Boston and start getting in the face of people and starting to ask people questions.
alex jones
By the way, InfoWars is getting double the traffic it's ever gotten.
We broke the record a few days ago, now it's double that.
Right now, smoke is coming out of it, out of the servers and fire.
And Watson just went up with a deal of FBI ignores.
This is the FBI saying, never mind all the real suspects, because it's their people.
We have them.
dan friesen
No, you don't.
Those are civil support team members that are very easily explained.
The FBI knows who they are.
They're not ignoring the real suspects.
You're just full of shit chasing fantasies.
And it works.
Alex is recognizing how fucking lucrative this is.
jordan holmes
Yeah.
dan friesen
And what he's doing is maybe not illegal.
alex jones
Why don't we do this more?
unidentified
Yep.
dan friesen
It's crazy.
You can see the glee that he's expressing about our traffic.
The servers are smoking.
unidentified
Right, right.
dan friesen
So many people are coming in.
We need to do Google bombs to get false flag out there so people will be led to the site.
alex jones
Oh, my God.
dan friesen
It's all happening.
jordan holmes
Yeah.
I think you should also...
I also should have added into the Alex's ex-wife tone of voice is that she was talking to a clearly drunk Alex as well.
dan friesen
Most likely drunk Alex.
jordan holmes
Yeah, yeah.
Very, very likely drunk Alex.
dan friesen
So I would describe this next clip as self-parody because it begins with David and Jakari trying to express how sincere the interests of InfoWars are.
Like, they're into the truth, right?
jordan holmes
Sure.
dan friesen
And then Alex immediately invalidates that.
david knight
We're more interested in the truth than we are about position.
alex jones
By the way, Dan, you getting Infowars.com out on every network?
I said double the traffic.
That was earlier the report.
It's like 50 times the traffic.
We're getting a million visitors every couple minutes right now.
jakari jackson
Are you serious?
alex jones
No, no, no.
It's 100,000K new people every 60 seconds.
jakari jackson
Wow.
alex jones
The IT guys, this is probably the number one website in the world just during this window.
jakari jackson
Wow.
alex jones
It is.
It is.
It is 100,000K, new joining who's already on it.
This isn't hits.
These are visitors every minute.
jakari jackson
Wow.
alex jones
We're watching the New World Order burn down.
dan friesen
David Knight says, we are more interested in truth than position.
Then immediately Alex barges in bragging about how many hits they're getting.
unidentified
We're the number one news site in the world!
jordan holmes
That's too...
What we're more interested in is the truth.
unidentified
Hey, everybody, we're getting so many people, we're going to put a counter up on the board.
jordan holmes
All right, there's one, there's two, there's three, there's four.
It's...
unidentified
Jesus Christ.
jordan holmes
That's too bad.
dan friesen
It's parody.
It's self-parody.
jordan holmes
It's too bad.
dan friesen
So they go to the calls and want to get some listeners'takes on what the press conference, you know, what their feeling about it was.
And this first guy has a shit take on it.
unidentified
And I also wanted to say that, you know...
To me, this whole news conference was about one thing.
It wasn't about them saying, you know, we're investigating.
jalen martin
This was a direct shot at Alex Jones at Infowars.com because you notice as soon as the Dondi mentioned Infowars, they immediately shut them down.
unidentified
The thing about we're not going to have anybody looking, nobody should look at any other photos.
Why?
Because yesterday, everything Alex had out about the photos of the seals, et cetera.
I really believe that's the main reason they put this out.
dan friesen
Yeah, I mean, this whole press conference really wasn't about getting these suspects' photos.
It was an attack on Infowars.
This is parasitic levels of narcissism.
Like, it's crazy.
These people are narcissistic for Alex.
unidentified
Yeah, yeah, yeah.
dan friesen
On Alex's behalf.
Imagining that this entire city, all the FBI, all of the people trying to solve this crime, no, no, no, no, no.
They're really just trying to discredit Alex.
unidentified
Yeah.
dan friesen
Fucking hell, man.
jordan holmes
That is such a way to inflate your own self-importance is by hitching your wagon to somebody who you think is the most important.
Like, that's such...
dan friesen
Well, it's narcissism by proxy.
unidentified
Yeah, yeah.
jordan holmes
That's fucked up.
dan friesen
So here's another stupid-ass caller.
unidentified
Now, here's the thing.
The FBI is trying to take control of the narrative.
Look, all you have to do is call them and yell at them.
Tell them, what are you doing trying to control this narrative and trying to tell me that my eyes...
See, I am the real Homeland Security.
So are you and everybody else out there.
They don't control anything.
And I'm so sick of them trying to control the narrative.
This is bullcrap.
We can solve this.
dan friesen
We can solve this.
He said control the narrative three times.
jordan holmes
Somebody lock that man inside his house and don't let him outside.
dan friesen
He probably doesn't get out that much to begin with.
jordan holmes
That's probably true.
dan friesen
So now Alex barges into studio because he's going to try and bully Leanne McAdoo into coming on air because Leanne has cracked the case and figured out why the photos of the suspects can't be the real suspects.
She's cracked the case.
jordan holmes
Leanne's got it.
dan friesen
Leanne's got it covered.
jordan holmes
All right.
unidentified
It's more looking about the Sandy Hook, which is a false...
alex jones
Hold on, put him on hold.
jakari jackson
Okay, I'm sorry.
alex jones
Let's get Leanne McAdoo in here.
Leanne, come on.
No, Leanne, you get in here and make your point.
Gray backpack, folks.
She's right.
It's not black.
It's gray.
Go ahead and tell people.
unidentified
It's a gray backpack, right?
I mean...
jordan holmes
Did she get a round of applause?
alex jones
No, no, you're right.
I saw it.
jakari jackson
You can look at that.
alex jones
The guy's got a gray backpack.
Those were black backpacks.
So this rabbit trail doesn't even fit the script.
jakari jackson
Do we have some new information there?
No, no, no.
alex jones
No, this is war room.
Hey, you want to get a seat and come in here and air?
jakari jackson
No, hold on.
I'm going to say this because I've been telling her this all week, and David, you can attest to this.
I totally am.
If you don't come in here and just briefly do, you know, just a quick report or just say something, Alex Jones is going to find you in the hall, drag you in here, and make you get on.
Did I not?
I've been saying that all week.
unidentified
Okay, well now...
alex jones
Hold on, let's get her a chair.
jakari jackson
See, now you're in it.
This is Leanne McAdoo, one of our new reporters here in the InfoWars.
She will be joining us.
dan friesen
Welcome aboard, Leanne.
So, the problem with Leanne's thinking here is that there was only one picture that was made public of an exploded backpack.
And it did appear to be a darker, most likely black backpack.
When the FBI released images of the suspects, who we would soon come to know as Tamerlan and Jokar Sarnev, it appeared that the bag that Jokar was wearing...
Was lighter in color, possibly gray.
At no point had it been established that the pictured exploded backpack was Jokar's.
Nor had it ever been established that the brothers were carrying identical bags.
The photograph bag could easily have been the one Tamerlan was carrying, and Jokar could have had a lighter bag.
There's literally no contradiction here.
But because InfoWars is so insistent on coming out with spin, and as they keep saying, controlling the narrative, anything that they think can be used to plant doubt is worth reporting.
Beyond that, one still photograph of a post-explosion backpack is not enough to conduct a forensic investigation on.
Alex and his crew have no idea what effect the explosion could have had on the color of the backpack.
Which isn't to say that I definitely think that it could have turned a gray backpack black.
Just that they have no goddamn idea what they're talking about.
This isn't the behavior of journalists.
This is more what you'd expect to hear from idiots smoking weed trying to blow each other's minds.
Sensational and intriguing if you're slightly impaired but utterly without substance.
Poor first showing, Leanne.
Really sucks that your first appearance on the show was spouting half-cooked bullshit to help Alex profit off lying about a national tragedy.
Unlike these other people in the show, I know what Leanne was doing before she joined Infowars.
I'm certain that this is just a gig for her.
I know that she used to be a new-age hippie, blogging about, quote, Being deeply drawn to reconnect with Source as the Mayan calendar ended in 2012, which is shockingly close to when she won Alex's Find a Reporter contest.
I know that she'd entered another TV hosting contest, the CW Austin Star, in 2011, and she'd been on a TV show prior to that called The Last Resorts.
I'm willing to believe that she may not have known what she was getting into when she started at Infowars, but if you're a bohemian free spirit out there practicing tarot one day, and the next, you know, you're doing this shit and not immediately quitting when you see Alex behaving how he has on air since the bombing, I guess all I can say is I fucking hope that job paid super well.
Because you're doing this, and you don't believe this.
Nope.
This is an act.
jordan holmes
Man.
dan friesen
I feel bad.
I feel bad, maybe not for her later, Right.
But here, in April 2013, if you're just joining in...
jordan holmes
Bye!
dan friesen
Yeah.
I mean, you immediately invalidate any empathy I have for you by like, ha-ha, gray backpack!
jordan holmes
Right.
dan friesen
And I know that Alex is forcing her on air, and she'd rather not, but still, go fuck yourself.
jordan holmes
Yeah, I remember my family had a blue minivan, and then we left, and when we came back, there was this...
Just pile of black ash.
And so we assumed that the minivan had been stolen, of course.
It definitely wasn't on fire.
dan friesen
Makes sense.
jordan holmes
Because our minivan was blue, Dan.
dan friesen
Right.
jordan holmes
It was a blue minivan.
It wasn't a gray one made of ash.
dan friesen
Right.
jordan holmes
Duh!
dan friesen
It makes sense.
And I would feel just as bad about, or mad, and directed this way at...
Like, any of these people, if I knew, like, let's say if I knew that right before Rob Dew joined InfoWars, he was out there writing about crystals.
jordan holmes
Yeah.
dan friesen
Or if he was, like, a left-wing activist.
unidentified
Right.
dan friesen
Or something like that.
If I knew those elements of these people's prior lives, I would be just as insistent that, like, you are acting.
You are doing this, causing the damage that you're doing, and spreading this propaganda, and you don't even believe in it.
I'm not sure which is worse.
You know, like actually believing it or doing it for a check.
But I think doing it for a check is less acceptable to me.
jordan holmes
Yeah?
dan friesen
Yeah.
jordan holmes
I think, I don't know, believing in crystals and tarot and shit and not doing it for a check, that seems bad to me.
That's no good.
dan friesen
I don't know.
I just think these people can go fuck themselves.
jordan holmes
Absolutely.
dan friesen
So anyway, we have one last clip here, and it's that caller who got interrupted by Alex barging in to bring Leanne into the studio.
He was trying to spin a Sandy Hook conspiracy.
jordan holmes
Oh, good.
Now's the time for it.
dan friesen
Certainly.
And so they get back to him, and he's still trying to spin this conspiracy, and it just doesn't work.
unidentified
I thought you'd like to know that.
I'm sorry.
Did you get shot, Jakari?
jakari jackson
No, I'm sorry.
We had a little technical difficulty.
Can you repeat?
unidentified
Yeah, they were supposedly set up a half hour before the shooting.
jakari jackson
Hold on.
alex jones
We got double plugs here.
unidentified
What is this?
alex jones
I'm sorry.
jakari jackson
I'm sorry, Andrew.
We had to put you on hold.
We have like 10 people talking in here.
dan friesen
This is bullshit.
jordan holmes
That's unreal.
dan friesen
It's great that he has like a hundred times the traffic or whatever so people can hear great radio like that.
alex jones
That's unreal.
jordan holmes
What is this, a Coach Dave show?
dan friesen
So Alex is full of this narcissism because he thinks he's right about all of these things.
He thinks he's scooped the media.
He thinks that even the release of the FBI pictures of the suspects are evidence that he's right.
And he's being profited handsomely for it.
He's getting exactly what he wants, which is way more attention.
And that's probably a bad sign.
On the night of April 18th, Tamerlan and Jokhar Sarnev realized that they had been caught.
As soon as the FBI released pictures of them, you know, that's when they figured it out.
jordan holmes
Well, yeah, yeah, yeah.
dan friesen
Up until that point...
jordan holmes
Oh, no, they know it's us.
dan friesen
Up until that point, they weren't getting any suspicion thrown their way online from all of these blogs that were researching and finding suspects.
The authorities had been tight-lipped about the leads they were pursuing.
And if you were them, you might get the sense that you'd gotten away with it.
And from all accounts, that's pretty much what they thought.
They'd gone back to their normal lives and thought, hey, maybe we pulled this off.
And then that press conference happened, and it all got disrupted, and they panicked.
The FBI press conference was at about 5 p.m., and at 10.31 p.m., the brothers approached the vehicle of an MIT police officer named Sean Collier, who they then killed, most likely because they only had one gun, and there were two of them.
At 11.26 p.m., they carjacked an SUV in Boston.
The driver of that car managed to escape, and he called 911 at 12.19 a.m.
He goes on to tell the police that the two men who carjacked him told him that they bombed the Boston Marathon and that his car was equipped with GPS.
So the police turned on that GPS and began to track their car.
At 12.41, the police located the SUV in Watertown, along with a sedan that was being driven by the two brothers, and it's called in.
The reporting officer is told not to approach until more units arrive, so he follows them.
After a brief drive, the driver of the SUV gets out, and he approaches the police car firing a gun.
At approximately the same time, the police supervisor's unit shows up, and someone else comes out of the sedan throwing homemade bombs at the police.
There's a brief firefight, and at 12.49 p.m., the man with the gun, who turns out to be Tamerlan, is tackled by a cop, whereupon he's run over by his younger brother, who's attempting to flee.
Tamerlan is put in an ambulance and taken to the hospital, where he is pronounced dead at 1.06 a.m., despite attempts at resuscitation.
But Jokar got away.
He abandoned his car about a half mile away and fled on foot.
The night was absolute chaos.
And when it was all said and done, one suspect was dead, along with Sean Collier, the MIT officer.
Additionally...
Officer Dennis DJ Simmons suffered injuries in the Watertown firefight that would go on to take his life a year later in April 2014.
He's officially recognized as the fifth victim of the bombing, and though much of Boston remembers him as a hero, he's all too often forgotten in this story.
In particular, his family was...
Pretty upset that the Mark Wahlberg movie Patriot's Day seemed to not even be aware of him, even though there is a memorial loop of the other victims of that attack in the movie.
It's hard not to see that being a race thing, but that might also be partially because it's a Mark Wahlberg movie.
The entire situation changed overnight.
Now the surviving perpetrator knows that the police know who he is and that they're looking for him, but he doesn't know if his brother is dead or if he's being interrogated at that time.
Now the police know that these suspects are absolutely willing to murder police, and one of them is on the loose and armed, at least with a gun and possibly with even more IEDs.
The city that was previously on edge with an absence of information now has come to the crest and finds itself with a whole lot of information, and it's fucking scary information.
No one knows where Jokar went.
How does Alex respond to all this?
That's what we'll learn on our next installment, where we'll also get to learn a little bit more about these brothers.
I suspect it's going to be a gigantic mess.
Yeah.
unidentified
Alex...
jordan holmes
I'm not looking forward to it.
dan friesen
I can't even imagine what he's going to end up doing with this.
jordan holmes
Really not looking forward to it.
dan friesen
If he's gone this crazy with the situation we've had so far, when there's a firefight, a killed cop, one of the suspects is dead, Overnight.
I just can't even imagine how irresponsible the 19th is going to be.
jordan holmes
No, this is going to be a shit show.
dan friesen
Yep.
So look forward to that.
jordan holmes
Yay!
unidentified
Hooray!
dan friesen
Oh, God.
You know what?
It's just like you just think, hey, the day of the bombing, that's going to be the most awful thing.
unidentified
Yeah, yeah, yeah.
dan friesen
And then each passing day is just new levels of terrible behavior.
On his part.
It's all new lows.
jordan holmes
Yeah.
dan friesen
It's constantly new lows.
jordan holmes
It's a spiral down the toilet bowl of sanity that is, I mean, just...
Even without retrospect, because obviously it's easy to look back and be like, ah, this is...
But even during that time, it is unconscionable.
What he's done.
dan friesen
Yes.
jordan holmes
It is just unconscionable.
And how many people flocked to just the simplest possible explanation from the dumbest possible man in order to assuage their dumb fear.
Or their very rational fear.
Apologies.
The rational fear.
Is what leads to being the dumbest.
dan friesen
The unsatisfied fear.
jordan holmes
Yeah, yeah, yeah.
And it's just like, that's a fucking microcosm.
dan friesen
And then all the people who flocked probably because it's a more interesting story and saw it as entertainment and then maybe got sucked in.
jordan holmes
Yeah.
dan friesen
Or even if they didn't get sucked in, still helped profit Alex and his operation.
unidentified
Yeah.
dan friesen
It's really tragic to think about and bleh.
jordan holmes
It is, it is, like, from these two days, you can extrapolate the end of humanity.
Like, you see exactly how we're going to go.
Maybe not now.
dan friesen
It does pretend.
jordan holmes
Maybe not now.
Maybe not soon.
But that is exactly how we're all going to die.
Like, that's how it's going to go down.
dan friesen
It all really helps make sense of his later trajectory.
Yeah, it really does.
This attention-seeking behavior, this desperation to be seen as on the right side, the winning team, appearances of destroying the globalists.
Like, it kind of does put into perspective a lot of, like, the Trump...
Flip.
jordan holmes
Yeah.
And not just that, but, like, this is him almost making that turn of, like, finally, I'm actually right.
Like, this is that, like, that consistent, that insistence that they are not giving me credit for being right.
That belief that, holy shit, me, of all people.
dan friesen
Finally, the pieces are in place for me to present myself as right.
jordan holmes
I think you, well, I mean.
In that day, I really do think he believes that he's nailed it.
dan friesen
I think it's possible.
I think it's an argument you can make.
I'm less certain as someone who doesn't trust him at all.
jordan holmes
For sure.
dan friesen
And I also think that his mind is such a...
just like a spider's nest.
unidentified
I don't know.
dan friesen
Just some deep, scary thing that's mysterious.
jordan holmes
I see it exactly like The Road.
You know, like Cormac McCarthy wrote Alex Jones' brain.
dan friesen
It's something that is...
It's hard to decipher.
You think you understand what's going on, but it may be something entirely different.
I'm reticent to say that he actually believes what he's saying, or if he wasn't getting a ton of traffic off this, I think you could make that argument much easier.
The fact that he's so giddily celebrating all this traffic and recognizing, like, ha-ha, we're on top!
That really makes it difficult for me to believe that...
He definitely believes this.
Because that's the ulterior motive that we know he chases.
jordan holmes
No, I've got the absolute correct explanation for this.
Alex is possessed by the devil.
dan friesen
He would say that.
jordan holmes
I know!
And that's exactly what the devil would say, Dan!
dan friesen
If he saw someone behaving like this, he would certainly accuse him of being...
jordan holmes
I rest my case!
dan friesen
Or it could just be his subconscious.
jordan holmes
Could be.
dan friesen
Or the devil.
jordan holmes
Or it could be God.
dan friesen
Any of the three, who knows?
jordan holmes
Maybe they're all the same.
dan friesen
Maybe.
Anyway, we'll be back.
unidentified
Indeed.
dan friesen
But until next time, we've got a website.
jordan holmes
We do.
It's knowledgefight.com.
dan friesen
Yep.
Also, we're on Twitter.
jordan holmes
We are on Twitter.
It's at knowledge underscore fight and at go to bed.
This has been a long one.
dan friesen
Yeah.
Also, we're on Facebook.
jordan holmes
We are on Facebook.
And if you would like to listen to the show, please go to iTunes or wherever podcastual applications you use to download the show.
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Do all that stuff.
Tell your friends.
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dan friesen
Yeah, and we'll be back.
But until then, I'm Neo.
I'm Leo.
I'm DZX Clark.
I reside at 666 Boylston.
alex jones
Andy in Kansas, you're on the air.
Thanks for holding.
jordan holmes
Hello, Alex.
unidentified
I'm a first-time caller.
I'm a huge fan.
I love your work.
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