Today, Dan and Jordan take a much needed break from talking about Alex Jones in order to go on an adventure through space with Project Camelot. In this installment, Sweary Kerry sits down with a potential alien and definite Frenchman to discuss his life full of paranormal experiences, but ultimately all may not be what it seems.
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| Andy in Kansas, you're on the air. | ||
| Thanks for holding. | ||
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Hello, Alex. | |
| I'm a first-time caller. | ||
| I'm a huge fan. | ||
| I love your work. | ||
| I love you. | ||
| Hey, everybody. | ||
| Welcome back to Knowledge Fight. | ||
| I'm Dan. | ||
| I'm Jordan. | ||
| We're a couple dudes like to sit around, drink novelty beverages, and talk a little bit about Alex Jones. | ||
| Indeed we are, Dan. | ||
| Hi, Jordan. | ||
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Dan! | |
| Yep. | ||
| When was the last time we recorded in the morning? | ||
| I can't remember. | ||
| I don't think we ever have. | ||
| It feels weird. | ||
| It's awful. | ||
| The sunlight coming in from the window behind you is very unfamiliar territory. | ||
| We're recording this in the morning because this afternoon I'm flying out on vacation. | ||
| About time? | ||
| Yeah, a little bit. | ||
| Although I missed the window of the negative 50 degrees Chicago. | ||
| By a couple days I could have dodged that. | ||
| You were there! | ||
| We'll be there, man! | ||
| Yeah, it'll still be nice to get out of this cold and what have you for a couple days. | ||
| And because of that, we have to record this ahead of time so we can get this episode out for Monday so we don't leave everybody high and dry. | ||
| But we will not have an episode on Wednesday just by virtue of... | ||
| There's no way we could have pulled that off. | ||
| No way. | ||
| I wish we could have, but we could not. | ||
| But we'll be back on Friday after this episode, and we appreciate everybody allowing you to have a little bit of... | ||
| Yeah, what's your vacation, Dan? | ||
| Man, it's just going to hang out with my parents. | ||
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About two days? | |
| Yeah. | ||
| It's a weekend. | ||
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Yeah, it's kind of still a work vacation. | |
| Emotional work vacation. | ||
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Yeah, yeah, yeah. | |
| But, so, I am very thrilled about that, though, because, I mean, like, this last week, especially of this show, has been... | ||
| Nuts. | ||
| Like, in terms of Roger Stone getting indicted, and us having that episode last Monday, and then Alex's clear indications that he's fucking done with Roger at the end of last week. | ||
| And even, like, we haven't talked too much about this, but I was working on, like, a really big episode. | ||
| Right before Roger got indicted, so it was like three straight days of intensive work on that. | ||
| Roger gets indicted. | ||
| Fuck, this has got to go on the back burner, and I've got to dive into this. | ||
| So I'm very excited to not do this for a couple days. | ||
| You deserve it. | ||
| Please, don't open your fucking computer. | ||
| I don't even read the news, for God's sake. | ||
| I'll probably check Twitter, but beyond that, I'm not doing anything. | ||
| But this is a podcast where, because of... | ||
| Working the candle at both ends, as it were. | ||
| I know a lot about Alex Jones. | ||
| Oh, and I only know what you tell me about Alex Jones. | ||
| It doesn't matter today because we're not talking about Alex Jones. | ||
| Oh, thank God. | ||
| I'm going on vacation. | ||
| I'm sick and tired of talking about him at this point. | ||
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We did a lot of Alex Jones in a very short period of time. | |
| No Wacky Wednesday last week, so that means Wacky Wednesday is coming on Monday this week. | ||
| We've got an interesting Project Camelot episode to go over. | ||
| That'll be a lot of fun, but before we get to that, I gotta give a couple shout-outs to some people who have signed up and are supporting the show. | ||
| First of all, I'd like to say thank you to Glenn. | ||
| You are now a policy wonk. | ||
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I'm a policy wonk. | |
| Thank you, Glenn. | ||
| Next, Brendan. | ||
| You are now a policy wonk. | ||
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I'm a policy wonk. | |
| Thank you, Brendan. | ||
| Thank you, Brendan. | ||
| Next, Chandler. | ||
| Thank you. | ||
| You are now a policy wonk. | ||
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I'm a policy wonk. | |
| Thank you, Chandler. | ||
| Thank you, Chandler. | ||
| How supportive can you be? | ||
| I don't know. | ||
| I was trying to do a friends thing. | ||
| No, no, no, no, no. | ||
| I gotta go on vacation. | ||
| That's a sign. | ||
| That joke is no good. | ||
| But something that is very good is another person who's supporting the show. | ||
| Robbie, thank you so much. | ||
| You are now a policy wonk. | ||
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I'm a policy wonk. | |
| Thank you, Robbie. | ||
| Thank you very much, Robbie. | ||
| Finally, I'd like to say thank you to somebody who donated a little bit of an elevated level. | ||
| And we appreciate it also very much. | ||
| So, Dylan, thank you so much. | ||
| You are now a technocrat. | ||
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I'm a policy wonk. | |
| Go home to your mother and tell her you're brilliant. | ||
| Someone sodomite sent me a bucket of poop. | ||
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Daddy Shark. | |
| Jar Jar Binks has a Caribbean black accent. | ||
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He's a loser little titty baby. | |
| I don't want to hate black people. | ||
| I renounce Jesus Christ! | ||
| Thank you so much, Dylan. | ||
| Thank you very much, Dylan. | ||
| If you're out there listening and you're thinking, hey, I like what these guys do, I'd like to support that type of business, you can do that. | ||
| Not really business, but you can do that by going to our website, knowledgefight.com, clicking the button to support the show. | ||
| We would appreciate it. | ||
| Absolutely, we would. | ||
| So, Jordan, like I said, it's Project Camelot time. | ||
| Indeed it is. | ||
| The most recent episodes have been a little bit of a mess. | ||
| They haven't been the sort of things that necessarily we like to cover. | ||
| I don't need to hear Carrie Cassidy talk to some weirdo about 5G technology. | ||
| I don't really need to hear that. | ||
| I want to hear about space. | ||
| Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. | ||
| I don't want to hear her talk about real science, but then just lie bullshit about that. | ||
| That sucks. | ||
| Alex can do that stuff for us. | ||
| We can cover that. | ||
| There are commonalities that we miss a little bit, because I don't want to talk about her version of that. | ||
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Right. | |
| It's so similar to Alex's and delivered less interestingly. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| Unless spider leadership is involved with 5G technology, get the fuck out of here. | ||
| Yeah, so we sort of punt on those a little bit. | ||
| I found an episode recently. | ||
| There's a new episode that just came out starring this guy named Sebastian Martin. | ||
| And he's on to promote his new book. | ||
| And so I started listening to it. | ||
| I'm like, wow, this is pretty good stuff. | ||
| This is interesting. | ||
| He starts talking about Loosh, which we remember from that episode with the guy who thought that there was an alien base under the Getty Museum. | ||
| Yep, yep, yep. | ||
| So I'm like, oh, this guy, he's in deep. | ||
| He's talking about Loosh. | ||
| I'm like, all right. | ||
| He's talking about how he had these messages from aliens, and he had experienced these things with aliens, so he wrote a book. | ||
| And then he starts talking about how he had some people who he had good help editing the book. | ||
| And to me, I'm thinking, if you're getting messages from aliens, you don't need an editor. | ||
| That struck me weird. | ||
| No, no, no. | ||
| That's unfair. | ||
| That is unfair. | ||
| Everybody needs an editor, especially Stephen King in the 90s. | ||
| True, but he wasn't channeling alien material. | ||
| Were he to be... | ||
| He's doing a lot of coke? | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| That's very similar. | ||
| That's not the same thing. | ||
| That's pretty similar, I feel like. | ||
| So I listened to that, and I'm like, I want to go over this. | ||
| Certainly at least the weird, like, why do you got to edit alien messages. | ||
| But then I was like, this is too reliant on their previous interviews. | ||
| You could tell that there was a bigger story behind it. | ||
| But they weren't talking about the specifics of it because they'd already done that on a previous episode. | ||
| So I went back to a year prior, the first time Sebastian Martin was on the show, and we are going to hear about this guy's backstory, and it is wild. | ||
| Okay, sweet. | ||
| I gotta be honest, I love me a Sebastian, so I'm kinda on his side right off the gate. | ||
| I'm gonna tell you ahead of time and tell the listeners that this is simultaneously the most fascinating and most boring story I've ever heard in my life. | ||
| Alright, that is... | ||
| I was like... | ||
| Schrodinger's backstory. | ||
| The details of this are super interesting, but as I was going over it, I kept finding myself zoning out. | ||
| I kept like... | ||
| This is why he needs an editor! | ||
| I was just like, whoa, God. | ||
| I guess he's talking about the Anunnaki. | ||
| Okay, cool. | ||
| There was moments like that. | ||
| I had to sort of slap myself in the face and be like, get in the game. | ||
| Get in the game. | ||
| You've got to listen. | ||
| So there will be a little bit of that. | ||
| Here is an Out of Context drop from today's show. | ||
| It is a problem where people put aliens, so-called aliens, on pedestals, so to speak. | ||
| Don't put aliens on pedestals. | ||
| That is a problem. | ||
| You know what? | ||
| Deep down, we're all equal. | ||
| We're all equal. | ||
| You don't got to elevate aliens on a pedestal. | ||
| They're just going to disappoint you. | ||
| Exactly. | ||
| All an alien on a pedestal can do is fall. | ||
| Exactly. | ||
| I don't think that's the sort of concern that Carrie's bringing to the table. | ||
| It's more that she's worried that we over-exaggerate the evolved levels of aliens. | ||
| Certain aliens, probably. | ||
| I think she has a very different feeling about different types of aliens, which you can read between the lines however you like. | ||
| So, Sebastian is on the show, and it's interesting. | ||
| This interview came out beginning of 2017. | ||
| The two of them don't really know each other, Carrie and Sebastian. | ||
| They're on a little bit of... | ||
| Oh, and here's the other thing I wanted to say. | ||
| He's a French dude. | ||
| Okay, now this is going to be more fun. | ||
| It's going to be more fun. | ||
| He has an accent, and I think that Carrie is one of the types of people who gets tricked by an accent. | ||
| It makes dumb things sound smarter to American ears when you hear a European accent saying the things. | ||
| Especially French or British. | ||
| Those are accents that really... | ||
| It's a hack. | ||
| It's like a little override in people's brains. | ||
| You're like, oh, this guy's obviously smart. | ||
| He's French. | ||
| You know, that sort of thing. | ||
| So some of the stuff that he's saying, I would beg the audience to imagine he wasn't French saying these things and see if they sound at all reasonable. | ||
| Now. | ||
| Carrie and Sebastian met at this alien conference. | ||
| I think they call it the Alien Congress or something like that. | ||
| The Alien Congress. | ||
| I don't think they have any kind of actual legislative power. | ||
| Legislative power? | ||
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Yeah. | |
| No, I don't think so. | ||
| There's no balance. | ||
| There's no alien executive or judicial. | ||
| There's no separation of alien powers either. | ||
| I think it's just a name. | ||
| Everybody's putting aliens on a pedestal in that case. | ||
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That's true. | |
| So here's how they start out the interview. | ||
| And, yep. | ||
| Hi, I'm Carrie Cassidy from Project Camelot, and today we are at the UFO Congress, and we took this opportunity to meet up with Sebastian Martin, who is here as well, attending the conference. | ||
| He's a very interesting man. | ||
| He has been out and around telling his story a bit. | ||
| But we're going to delve down maybe a little deeper here. | ||
| And this is a great opportunity for Project Camelot to talk to him about what's been going on with him over many, many years. | ||
| And I'm going to let him introduce himself, since I actually don't know him that well. | ||
| I've only heard a couple interviews with him. | ||
| So, I don't know. | ||
| I feel like Carrie knows nothing, considering that she's saying, like, what's been going on with him for many years? | ||
| He's been going around telling people stories. | ||
| Like, I think that she maybe skimmed an interview with him or something like that. | ||
| You can prepare. | ||
| No, you can't. | ||
| You can. | ||
| Dan, we don't do this show with you just starting and stopping the show. | ||
| You prepare for the show. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| And she's doing even less work. | ||
| I don't have a UFO Congress to get ready to go to, though. | ||
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You know what I'm saying? | |
| That's true. | ||
| She probably really front-loaded her schedule preparing for the Congress. | ||
| Right, right, right. | ||
| The joint session of the UFO Congress. | ||
| And forgot to prepare for this interview in any way. | ||
| But she wisely says, Sebastian. | ||
| Introduce yourself. | ||
| I don't know what's going on with you. | ||
| Yeah, I don't know who you are. | ||
| Some things have been going on with you. | ||
| Why are you on my show? | ||
| Exactly. | ||
| So he does. | ||
| So I was a CEO of a multinational for over 10 years in Canada. | ||
| So this struck my ears strange. | ||
| Oh my god. | ||
| First of all, you're going to listen to a French accent all day. | ||
| So he says he's a CEO of a multinational corporation. | ||
| Yes. | ||
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Hmm. | |
| Or he says he was. | ||
| And immediately I'm like, I don't believe anybody who's on Project Camelot. | ||
| I don't believe them across the board. | ||
| But in terms of people who lie about being in the CIA or the military and stuff like that, I can't figure that out. | ||
| But if you're the CEO of a company, that record should be somewhere. | ||
| Probably. | ||
| Yeah, you would think. | ||
| Hold on. | ||
| You can, however, fudge that number right there. | ||
| Like, you could be... | ||
| Look. | ||
| You could have a franchise of McDonald's in Canada and then, like, one right across the border in America and call yourself a multinational business. | ||
| But you couldn't call yourself a CEO. | ||
| No, but that's what I'm saying. | ||
| You get a startup, you put a front office in both Canada and United States, and you're the CEO of a multinational corporation. | ||
| We'll see what the truth is. | ||
| So across the board, in the few interviews I've watched of Sebastian Martin, as well as his bio on Amazon and the blurb of his newly released book, which is called Inner Journey in Outer Space, Martin consistently refers to himself as the former CEO of a multinational company. | ||
| But in no instance does he ever say what that company was. | ||
| If you just Google his name, you find a ton of Sebastian Martins who aren't him, which doesn't get me anywhere. | ||
| In this episode, he mentions that his company was based in Canada, so I decided to search for Sebastian Martin CEO Canada and see what came up. | ||
| It turns out what came up is his LinkedIn page, which mysteriously doesn't contain any entries in his job history that involve being the CEO of a multinational company. | ||
| He has two jobs listed. | ||
| One is his current business that he runs, Ensuho Distribution, which is a website mostly about New Age pseudo-spiritual nonsense, trying to bring together lightworkers and what have you. | ||
| And he's suing hoes. | ||
| That's what he's doing. | ||
| Yeah, yeah, yeah. | ||
| And the second one is a position as the director of Foki Herbs Incorporated. | ||
| Neither of these positions could be the CEO position he always cites as a part of his history, partially because the entire time he was at Folky Herbs, another person whose LinkedIn page I found, it doesn't need to be dragged into any of this, had a higher position in the company than he did. | ||
| And beyond that, the timeline doesn't work out. | ||
| That part is just you being a dick. | ||
| Looking through the LinkedIn page. | ||
| I want to know what he's talking about. | ||
| No, I know, but there's a part of me that's like, you looked through the other LinkedIn pages to find somebody who is like a little bit higher. | ||
| That's a little bit dicky. | ||
| No, it's not. | ||
| It's not a little bit higher. | ||
| Your research is thorough. | ||
| It's not a little bit higher. | ||
| How much higher it is? | ||
| Quite. | ||
| Quite a bit. | ||
| In another interview he did, Sebastian said that he was the CEO of this company until he sold it in 2013. | ||
| So neither of the two entries on his LinkedIn page could possibly represent a CEO experience. | ||
| And that seems like something you wouldn't just leave off of your resume on a job website. | ||
| The fact that you were the CEO of a multinational company? | ||
| He's a modest man. | ||
| You know how he's modest in that he writes it in a book and says it on a ton of interviews that he was a CEO? | ||
| He's not going to exploit that. | ||
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He's not going to exploit that and put it on his resume. | |
| Look, you don't want to be overqualified for a job either, Dan. | ||
| So I'm seeing a dead end here, and I'm getting super curious about this, and I need to know what's up. | ||
| So in the honors and accolades section of his LinkedIn page, Sebastian includes a link to an article about the 2012 Canadian Why do those exist? | ||
| I don't know. | ||
| But he says that his business got an honorable mention in the small slash medium business of any sector category. | ||
| Boom! | ||
| There it is. | ||
| Sebastian was the CEO of a company called Wetter Spoon Organic. | ||
| Wetter Spoon Organic is a honey company. | ||
| They sell small jars of boutique honey for absurdly high prices, but that's not all they do. | ||
| They also promote their honey as having antibacterial properties. | ||
| Interestingly, that's not a problem. | ||
| Honey absolutely does have antibacterial properties, but Wetterspoon has been accused of exaggerating their honey's powers on that front, and in March 2015, they were hit with a class-action lawsuit for it. | ||
| That suit would be voluntarily withdrawn in December, but the exact details of why it got withdrawn haven't been made public. | ||
| From looking at a series of court filings throughout fall 2015, it does appear that they reach some sort of out-of-court settlement, but it's hard to say for sure. | ||
| So Wetter Spoon Organic sells all sorts of honey-based products. | ||
| For $50, you can get a honey-based night cream. | ||
| Or for $22, you can get a smaller tube of day cream. | ||
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Hey, you want to put my honey cream on your face? | |
| Some of the products drifted to sort of Alex Jones-y territory. | ||
| For $21, you can buy a five-pack of single-serving tubes of honey plus vitality, which are apparently perfect for when you're on the go. | ||
| I would rather put that on my burger than Super Male Vitality. | ||
| Sure. | ||
| That's for sure. | ||
| It's at least food. | ||
| They sell versions that are honey plus immunity and honey plus clarity, advertising that it fuels the body and the mind. | ||
| That sort of thing. | ||
| So, it looks like Sebastian ran a small to medium boutique honey operation that he's trying to make sound like it was a Fortune 500 company in order to elevate his story. | ||
| It's moments like this that I'm glad that I got to the bottom of this story, but also realize that it probably wasn't worth it. | ||
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We could have just assumed it was something like this. | |
| I told you immediately what exactly it was. | ||
| It's a place that has an office in two countries, and that's what he called it. | ||
| So it's one of those things where it's like, if he was just honest with it, I wouldn't have been curious. | ||
| But he's trying to make it seem like the business was much larger than it was. | ||
| And that's not to take anything away from him. | ||
| He did run this business. | ||
| And he got an award! | ||
| And from everything I can tell, like he started it from like nothing, running out of his apartment, and did build it to the small slash medium size. | ||
| That's cool. | ||
| Sure. | ||
| You should be proud of that. | ||
| Take that away from him. | ||
| I am going to say it's slightly dishonest to only represent that as the CEO of a multinational corporation. | ||
| He's very modest. | ||
| I think it's a little bit fast and loose. | ||
| And the reason that he's doing that is to elevate his story and make himself seem way more important. | ||
| So whatever he's saying is so much more important by virtue of that. | ||
| What, stolen business valor? | ||
| Like, that's kind of what we're talking about here? | ||
| But it's the difference between it being entirely made up and just exaggerated. | ||
| So, like, it would be like someone who is just a rank-and-file enlisted person, and then they're saying that they were general. | ||
| Yeah, exactly. | ||
| It's that level of it. | ||
| So I give him credit enough for being a CEO, and not being a lie, but I also think it's spiritually a little bit of a lie. | ||
| How do you get... | ||
| Both sued and an honorable mention in the... | ||
| Well, the years were different. | ||
| Oh, the years were different. | ||
| 2012 was when he got that honorable mention, and then 2015 was when they got the class action lawsuit. | ||
| So did they take away his honorable mention for responsibility or whatever it was? | ||
| The lawsuit wasn't even, as far as I can tell, when he was the CEO of the company. | ||
| He had sold the business in 2013. | ||
| So that even isn't necessarily on him. | ||
| You know, at least he wasn't around as the CEO at the time, but you do kind of get the sense that, like, well, that's probably the marketing that they've been using all along. | ||
| Yeah, yeah, yeah, of course. | ||
| So, I don't know. | ||
| Where's he getting this fucking honey from? | ||
| New Zealand. | ||
| I get it from Elion. | ||
| New Zealand. | ||
| Raw bees. | ||
| Raw bees? | ||
| Well, the honey is raw. | ||
| I don't know. | ||
| I assume the bees are, too. | ||
| Is it all honey raw? | ||
| No, no, no, no, no. | ||
| There's a process that... | ||
| It's like raw milk. | ||
| It's that same sort of thing. | ||
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Oh, fuck that. | |
| Except raw honey's not as dangerous as raw milk. | ||
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Yeah, I don't think... | |
| Doesn't honey... | ||
| Isn't that the only thing that never goes bad ever or whatever it is? | ||
| Yeah, and it can heal wounds as a wound closing property. | ||
| Yeah, yeah. | ||
| Honey is a very interesting thing, and let's move along. | ||
| Let's look into the background of honey. | ||
| So anyway, that was four seconds into his introduction. | ||
| We find that he is a CEO, but might be embellishing. | ||
| And I had offices in Pennsylvania, UK, New Zealand. | ||
| And in 2011, I had basically a dream that was a common dream. | ||
| It was the face of a boy that looked at me and he had eyes that were a bit more, you know, away from each other than ours. | ||
| And he had higher cheekbones. | ||
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And he was so close to me that I could not see his chin. | |
| And he was very happy. | ||
| He smiled. | ||
| I could see his white teeth. | ||
| He could have been like a Californian surfer dude. | ||
| Not from his surf. | ||
| But it was surreal, but at the same time, not that unusual because I could just see him. | ||
| It was a very brief moment. | ||
| When I woke up in the morning, I went to work. | ||
| And that boy, that face, was still... | ||
| In front of me all day long. | ||
| And it was highly disturbing. | ||
| So he had a bad dream in 2011. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| He had a weird dream of a kid who had weird eyes, smiling, and maybe had a chin or not. | ||
| And then that face was staring at him all day. | ||
| Well, I think he just means, in this case, that he... | ||
| Couldn't get the image out of his head. | ||
| That sort of thing. | ||
| I prefer to imagine that he just had a face, like, directly in front of him, like, three feet away. | ||
| Like a carrot? | ||
| Yeah, he had to keep, like, looking around. | ||
| He's like, dude, I'm in traffic! | ||
| Yeah, that would be... | ||
| I mean, I think if that were the case, he probably would have specified it. | ||
| I think he just was thinking about this boy all day. | ||
| Yeah, it was in front of him all day. | ||
| So, that evening, he comes home from work after having this bad dream and this kid being in his head all day. | ||
| And he starts to meditate or something. | ||
| It's not really clear what he's up to. | ||
| And then the boy appears. | ||
| I was making some honey, as I normally do. | ||
| And I decided to sit down on my sofa late at night. | ||
| It was very quiet. | ||
| And I poured myself a cup of tea beforehand and left it on the counter. | ||
| Important detail. | ||
| And sat down on the sofa and I closed my eyes, not really knowing what to expect. | ||
| I was basically so disturbed by it. | ||
| I understand why you're zoning out. | ||
| And when I closed my eyes, within one second, I could feel this wind, a whirlwind of energy going all around me. | ||
| And then it stopped. | ||
| And when that stopped, I basically just opened my eyes and there was this boy standing in front of me. | ||
| He was about nine feet away from me. | ||
| He was glowing, but the glow of energy was very close to his body. | ||
| It was not huge, but enough for me to see him in full details. | ||
| He was not really transparent. | ||
| He was physically there. | ||
| Translucent, not transparent, asshole. | ||
| So you've got this boy in his room now, in his living room, this ethereal auric. | ||
| Being has now paid him a visit, since he made some tea, and then sat down on the couch, which apparently is how you beckon a spirit. | ||
| Just like a Frenchman to leave his doors unlocked. | ||
| Letting aliens in at all hours of the night. | ||
| Wait, is he from France, or is he... | ||
| Oh, he's from just south of Bordeaux. | ||
| Oh, okay. | ||
| He's a legit Frenchman. | ||
| But yeah, he's apparently spent some time in Germany, the UK, and Canada also throughout his path. | ||
| And actually, he explains... | ||
| Peddling honey everywhere he goes. | ||
| He's the Johnny Honey seed of Europe. | ||
| Nope. | ||
| It's before that. | ||
| And actually, he explains why he went to different countries, and it's very disappointing. | ||
| Kicked out. | ||
| Nope. | ||
| So that night, he's sitting there. | ||
| This boy comes and visits him. | ||
| We don't know who this boy is yet, but it turns out the boy then introduces himself. | ||
| And when I tried to get up of my seat, I was frozen. | ||
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I couldn't move. | |
| And when I tried to speak because I was kind of startled by the whole thing, I could not speak. | ||
| And when I saw him, and he must have heard me, you know, thinking, who are you? | ||
| What are you doing here? | ||
| And he basically responded saying, my name is Zoar. | ||
| Z-O-A-R. | ||
| And I'm from the Galactic Federation. | ||
| Actually, you say it more like the Galactic Alliance, not so much the Federation. | ||
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Right. | |
| But I'm guessing it's probably connected somehow. | ||
| And we had a 15-minute long conversation, which is kind of selfish of me. | ||
| Except I wasn't allowed to talk. | ||
| Interacting with a being like this, not only I was really startled, but I was kind of in a weird space. | ||
| Yeah, it is a weird space. | ||
| I was a little bit turned on at the same time because I'm kind of into that. | ||
| I may have had a night... | ||
| I may have had some sleep paralysis because I just described exactly what sleep paralysis is. | ||
| But no big deal. | ||
| There's some of that. | ||
| I think everything that he talks about is very explainable through just context clues. | ||
| But I do like the idea that he's saying like... | ||
| I had a 50-minute conversation with this guy, which is a little bit selfish. | ||
| I mean, this guy is an important alien. | ||
| As if time matters to Zor. | ||
| He could time travel. | ||
| As if time matters to Zor. | ||
| Yeah, please. | ||
| Again, this is my favorite thing. | ||
| Anytime he's just like... | ||
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Yeah, he's with the Galactic Federation. | |
| No, apologies. | ||
| The Galactic Alliance. | ||
| Not so much the Federation. | ||
| And Carrie's just like, right, of course. | ||
| Yes, continue. | ||
| That's an obvious thing. | ||
| Of course. | ||
| Also, fun fact, if you Google Zor Intergalactic Alliance or whatever for Federation, all of the information just keeps popping up. | ||
| It's Sebastian Martin type stuff. | ||
| But I did find one thing that I wish I'd listened to. | ||
| I didn't have the time to. | ||
| But there's another podcast that he went on. | ||
| And on the same episode, John Rappaport is on it. | ||
| I don't think they're on it together. | ||
| Hang up that goddamn painting! | ||
| I don't think they're on the episode together. | ||
| I think it's like this guy interviewed both of them in separate interviews on the same show. | ||
| But just to show there's a spiritual connection that some podcasts will have both. | ||
| John Rappaport and Zora Alien on the same show. | ||
| Now, here's my pitch, because this is what I see happening right now. | ||
| Buddy comedy, right? | ||
| Road trip comedy. | ||
| Through space. | ||
| Zor, Sebastian. | ||
| Sebastian, the whole time... | ||
| I thought you were going to say Rappaport, Sebastian. | ||
| No, no, no, no. | ||
| Sebastian, the whole time, is like, I'm a CEO of this multinational culture. | ||
| You sell honey. | ||
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Get over yourself. | |
| Yeah, yeah. | ||
| And Zor, though, Zor's always like, I'm way up in the Galactic Federation. | ||
| And then they both kind of learn about each other, and eventually they find out, you know, eventually Sebastian has to be like, it's just a honey company, man. | ||
| I've been lying to you this whole time. | ||
| And then Zor is like, dude, I'm a janitor. | ||
| I'm not that big a deal. | ||
| And then they both bond so hard! | ||
| But also, I'm a space janitor, but also, I love honey. | ||
| You know what I just realized? | ||
| He's like, I gotta clean my apartment. | ||
| Let's trade. | ||
| As he was talking, I did again find myself zoning out a little bit. | ||
| And what I realized is that I could conceivably call myself the CEO of an international podcast. | ||
| That's true. | ||
| That would be as legitimate. | ||
| Maybe that's not fair to him. | ||
| I think I'd be considered the CFO. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| I don't know about that. | ||
| So, in this next clip, one of the problems with Carrie and a lot of her guests is they start talking and they keep talking. | ||
| That's it. | ||
| One of the problems with this talk show is that they talk. | ||
| Well, because they don't keep it in line. | ||
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Right. | |
| They don't keep the... | ||
| Start trying to develop these backstories for themselves that leads them to the end point that they want, but at the same time, as they describe their backstory, you start to get these clues about, like, oh, what you're describing is not aliens. | ||
| What you're describing isn't, like, you didn't... | ||
| The end goal of whatever story you're telling isn't what you want it to be, but it's good enough to trick people. | ||
| This next clip was my first sign of, like, a real red flag. | ||
| My parents had an old farmhouse that they purchased, and I knew it was haunted. | ||
| And I had recurring nightmares, you know, not so much as a child, but I saw, like, ghosts going in. | ||
| So we're doing ghosts and aliens, huh? | ||
| The living room. | ||
| And I got used to them. | ||
| You know, I got really used to them. | ||
| Honey, ghosts, aliens? | ||
| He's a triple threat. | ||
| But at the same time, it kind of made sense to me. | ||
| I understood. | ||
| I had a genuine understanding of us to know what they were in terms of entities. | ||
| And they were not like ETs or anything else. | ||
| They were more like human beings who passed away and I could see their bodies floating around. | ||
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And that was my understanding of what was going on. | |
| Yep, that's ghosts. | ||
| That's ghosts. | ||
| So, yeah, we see that his parents had a haunted shed that he was terrified of and had recurring nightmares as a child about these things. | ||
| And that probably seeped into his consciousness a little bit to the point where he convinced himself he was seeing ghosts. | ||
| Same thing. | ||
| I lived in Hawaii for a little bit growing up. | ||
| And when I lived there, we lived in this house. | ||
| That we came to find out was haunted. | ||
| Or allegedly haunted. | ||
| Right. | ||
| There's a ghost, a spirit called the Kasha of Kaimuki, which is like a vengeful spirit that apparently lived in this house that we lived in. | ||
| It was one of those things, like, we didn't have money at all. | ||
| We were very poor, and, like, property is pretty expensive in Hawaii. | ||
| But it's cheaper if there was a fucking ghost there. | ||
| The house had been, like, uninhabited for a while because no one wanted to move in because local... | ||
| Legend, yeah. | ||
| We'd be like, y 'all move into that house, it's fucking haunted. | ||
| All this shit. | ||
| We would have these old women in Moo Moo's that would come and throw salt at our house and chant every now and again. | ||
| That's fun. | ||
| I have weird little memories of that. | ||
| Right. | ||
| And I think I have a memory of thinking I saw a ghost. | ||
| Like, I legitimately do. | ||
| Like, when I was laying in bed one night, I saw, like, something in my closet with a flaming axe. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| Right? | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| And I could tell myself that's real. | ||
| Right. | ||
| And I could do the same story that he's doing. | ||
| I could use that as that. | ||
| Or I could say, I was under the age of 10. And there were things that I couldn't understand, like these women throwing salt at our house and things like that. | ||
| My parents weren't good at explaining these things, so they tried to comfort me about the idea that these people think our house is haunted or whatever, but didn't really... | ||
| They weren't the best at, like, conflict resolution in that way. | ||
| Ghost conflict resolution. | ||
| So I could have easily got it in my head that, like, oh, I communicated with ghosts. | ||
| I saw all this. | ||
| For sure. | ||
| But the real... | ||
| The thing is I just didn't integrate the information I was having. | ||
| I was half asleep when I saw that guy with a flaming axe, obviously. | ||
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Yeah, yeah, yeah. | |
| And I was probably playing some sort of computer game back then that had something similar as a character. | ||
| A guy with a flaming axe, yeah. | ||
| Maybe playing Castlevania or something like that. | ||
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Yeah, yeah, yeah. | |
| Or like Doom or whatever, yeah. | ||
| I wasn't allowed to play Doom. | ||
| You weren't allowed to play Doom? | ||
| Probably wasn't allowed to play Castlevania either, but I think I might have at a friend's house or something. | ||
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Right, right, right. | |
| Either way. | ||
| What about Diablo? | ||
| No. | ||
| It would have been that. | ||
| Definitely not. | ||
| Definitely not. | ||
| Whatever the case is, there is a rational explanation for even the circumstances that you find. | ||
| There's a path you can take that's stupid and a path you can take that is more real. | ||
| I like the idea of a house hunting show. | ||
| On HGTV that is just for, like, really discounted houses because they were haunted. | ||
| That would be a really fascinating show. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| From what I understand, I don't know fully if this is the case, but, like, from what I understand, after we moved out and moved to Missouri, the house was, again, like, no one moved in for, like, two years or something like that. | ||
| Jesus. | ||
| Because they just couldn't get anyone to go in. | ||
| I don't know. | ||
| Look, the point is, we all choose our paths in life. | ||
| And so we'll get back to some of his path. | ||
| But before we do, I told you that he moved around a bunch. | ||
| Yes. | ||
| Through these countries. | ||
| And you were suspecting that he's selling honey or something like that. | ||
| He's now just running from ghosts, I assume. | ||
| Nope, it's not. | ||
| He's running towards women. | ||
| Why did you have to go to Germany, just out of curiosity? | ||
| I had a girlfriend there. | ||
| And so basically I just moved there and it was closer to that. | ||
| But you still were in the French services. | ||
| Yes. | ||
| So did you have a long time there? | ||
| I only stayed there for about 10 months. | ||
| And then I went back to France. | ||
| I broke my arm at the end, just a few weeks before the end of my service. | ||
| Because what happened is I enjoyed so much that I actually enlisted. | ||
| And I broke my arm during a training and I went back to France. | ||
| And that's when I met my future wife three days later. | ||
| So that's pretty much what happened. | ||
| And I came back to Germany and broke my contract and I moved to England because that's where she's from. | ||
| So within like 11 months, he moves to Germany for a woman, breaks his arm, gets out of the service, meets a woman in France, then moves to England for her. | ||
| That's not a stable person. | ||
| That to me is really... | ||
| Like, questionable behavior. | ||
| I understand moving for, like, a lover. | ||
| I totally do. | ||
| Yeah, you know, if you have nothing tying you down. | ||
| I don't understand you saying lover. | ||
| That's no good. | ||
| But, like, if you have nothing tying you down necessarily to one geographical location and somebody else you care about is somewhere else, why not? | ||
| Why not try and, like, start a life there? | ||
| If it's all appropriate. | ||
| Now, doing that twice in a year is a little bit much. | ||
| That tends to mean to me... | ||
| It's not only that you have no ties to the geographical location you started in. | ||
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Yeah. | |
| It's that you have no ties to anything. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| You are just a leaf in the wind being blown around. | ||
| Like, hey, I like this lady. | ||
| I'm going to Germany. | ||
| That's fun. | ||
| Fuck it. | ||
| I broke my arm. | ||
| This is over. | ||
| I'm going to England. | ||
| It doesn't sound good because it seems like he's fulfilling all of our stereotypes about French people where he's just weak and pleasure-loving, just going around the world, just, I live in Germany now and I fuck. | ||
| I think we might need a new French stereotype, which is beholden to dumb ideas that sound slightly more legitimate because of an accent. | ||
| So, we get back now to his youthful paranormal, I guess, activity. | ||
| We've heard that there was a haunted shed and he could talk to ghosts, but he was also having visions back then, back when he was younger. | ||
| And I think the timeline of these visions is interesting, and I think he gives up a little too much information. | ||
| Well, okay, when did the visions start? | ||
| Because you saw the ghosts, but at what age, approximately, would you know? | ||
| Probably around 12 years old, I would say. | ||
| And it carried on, it increased in rates until the age of like 16. Okay. | ||
| And after that, you know, it kind of quieted down a bit. | ||
| And when I met my wife, it completely disappeared because I blocked it off for 10 years. | ||
| So the first thing there at the end is there's a voluntary aspect to it. | ||
| There is a piece of it where he can block these visions. | ||
| For 10 years? | ||
| Sure. | ||
| He has a lot of mental fortitude. | ||
| Well, we'll get to why they came back in the next clip. | ||
| You got a divorce. | ||
| Nope. | ||
| When I hear from 12 to 16, it was terrible and uncontrollable at 12, and at 16, it's subsided. | ||
| I hear that this might be a hormonal issue. | ||
| Do you think so? | ||
| It might have something to do with puberty. | ||
| What's going on? | ||
| Who has ever had interesting emotional issues in the years 12 to 16? | ||
| I think it's very common. | ||
| You have a pubescent crisis a little bit in terms of the changing hormonal levels. | ||
| There's a lot of stress that accompanies that. | ||
| It's very simple to look at this and be like, I would say based on that timeline, the fact that they magically subsided around 16. I just hear this is a product of misintegrated information that you took in from these traumatizing nightmares that you had as a child, and then the hormonal... | ||
| No, this is not out of the ordinary at all. | ||
| No. | ||
| I don't like it when people bring in ghosts and aliens. | ||
| Because now I have to ask the questions... | ||
| Do ghosts know aliens? | ||
| Can ghosts see aliens? | ||
| Are there alien ghosts? | ||
| Ostensibly... | ||
| If aliens have treated Earth as a battleground, many aliens have died on Earth. | ||
| Why has nobody seen an alien ghost? | ||
| I'm positive someone on Project Camelot has. | ||
| Oh, that's true. | ||
| I'm positive there's some episode that we just had. | ||
| I'm positive one of these Sebastian Martin episodes might have something to do with that. | ||
| Might have some alien ghost. | ||
| I've only listened to two of the three of them, so I don't know. | ||
| So he says that he can start controlling them, you know, like blocking them off. | ||
| When he got married to his wife, he was able to block them off for ten years. | ||
| But they do come back, and this is what... | ||
| It even further solidifies in my mind that this is stress-related, because here is when they came back. | ||
| The fact is my wife got pregnant in 2009, and for 10 years, while being married with her, I decided to block my visions, because I had to respect her wishes for not, you know, basically being frightened by what was happening this other side and she was frightened that I may see her dead or being separated or something. | ||
| So, by respect of her, I decided to block my visions off for 10 years. | ||
| And when she became pregnant, my visions came back in full force. | ||
| And I used to have like three visions per day. | ||
| And it was very disturbing because I was not really used to it anymore. | ||
| And after 10 years, I was growing my business. | ||
| I was very busy with employees who had no clue what was going on. | ||
| So he has this honey business that's been growing, and he's on the cusp of getting this honorable mention award. | ||
| It's a real business. | ||
| Even if it isn't as big as he's insinuating, it's still a lot of pressure. | ||
| You still have employees. | ||
| You're responsible for getting this damn honey out. | ||
| You've got to scold the bees if they're lazy. | ||
| There's a lot of work that goes into this. | ||
| And then on top of that, his wife gets pregnant, which is a life-changing experience. | ||
| A lot of people, there's a real blowhardy thing that I've had a couple friends who have had kids say, like, everything changes. | ||
| Everything changes. | ||
| The new dad speech. | ||
| Right, absolutely. | ||
| And I know there's a blowhard aspect to it, but I also don't think that it's not sincere or real. | ||
| Like, it does. | ||
| You have a new life here that is your responsibility. | ||
| That thing will die without you. | ||
| Right. | ||
| That is a crazy thing to have to wrestle with out of nowhere. | ||
| Because the news or whatever of it, it almost always is like, you know, they weren't pregnant, and now they are. | ||
| There is a pivotal shift, and it causes a lot of stress in people. | ||
| So, if you have a story where from 12 to 16... | ||
| A time when your hormones are, you know, out of whack and there's a highly stressful period for people growing up. | ||
| You have all these visions. | ||
| After that, they subside. | ||
| You block them once you get married entirely for, you know, all this time. | ||
| Then a new highly stressful life change happens and all of a sudden they come back. | ||
| I'm seeing a pattern. | ||
| I don't understand. | ||
| I know. | ||
| I don't know what you're talking about, Dan. | ||
| I understand. | ||
| I'm just saying that you're saying to me that during puberty... | ||
| He has these visions and that coincides with his hormonal changes. | ||
| And then after his brain is fully formed, right around 25 to 27, he settles down, he gets married, and he doesn't really have that much stress anymore and he's much happier about his life. | ||
| And then he has a big life change, reasserting the same hormonal stress that he's had before. | ||
| And all of a sudden he's going back to having visions? | ||
| I have an alternate explanation, Dan. | ||
| Alien ghosts. | ||
| Could be. | ||
| They're following him around. | ||
| It's a possibility. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| So, you know, I have my feelings about this. | ||
| Or maybe they're real! | ||
| But anything could be true. | ||
| No, that's not true. | ||
| So, as a child, he had these visions. | ||
| And Carrie wants to get into what these visions were about. | ||
| And they're very conveniently inconsequential. | ||
| And only related to people he knew as a child, so there's no way we could verify anything. | ||
| And he's not specific about any of them, so that's super convenient. | ||
| But I actually wanted to go back to when you were, you know, 12 or that age and a little later. | ||
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Okay. | |
| You said between 12 and 16 you were having visions, right? | ||
| Yes, yes. | ||
| So how were the visions characterized at that time? | ||
| Like if you could sort of talk about them. | ||
| Were they premonitions, so do you think, of future events? | ||
| No, it was mostly involving me, people I knew. | ||
| Not so much future events, any kind. | ||
| It was not like, you know, apocalyptic in any sort of way. | ||
| It's very basic. | ||
| So would you know something before it happened? | ||
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Yes. | |
| Oh yes, many times. | ||
| So then you could see the future. | ||
| Oh yes. | ||
| Yes. | ||
| And know things about people around you perhaps? | ||
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Yes. | |
| Yeah. | ||
| It's called gossip. | ||
| And that was very, very clear. | ||
| And it became part of my life. | ||
| And did you share that with your mother? | ||
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No. | |
| You didn't even tell your mother back then? | ||
| No. | ||
| Oh, you didn't? | ||
| Even until recently, I was adamant to even talk about the interaction I had with Zor to her because she doesn't really believe in aliens. | ||
| So none of this can really be tracked back in any meaningful way. | ||
| You know, like, be like, oh, I had a premonition that Pete was going to skin his knee on the playground or something like that. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| All right, whatever. | ||
| Maybe a hunch. | ||
| Maybe he had a hunch. | ||
| Maybe a hunch. | ||
| Maybe he had an active imagination. | ||
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Whatever. | |
| Steve has been acting recklessly for a while. | ||
| Sooner or later, he's going to fall and hurt himself. | ||
| Right, right. | ||
| So these are all ultimately very localized predictions and inconsequential, it appears. | ||
| So I don't know. | ||
| I have nothing. | ||
| I got nothing to go on with that. | ||
| But he does say... | ||
| That he didn't want to tell his mom about Zor because she doesn't believe in aliens. | ||
| Now, that would lead you to believe that maybe his family is a completely rationalist family and that they don't cut into this nonsense. | ||
| She believes in ghosts. | ||
| She doesn't? | ||
| Well, she believes in something. | ||
| Oh, boy. | ||
| So, I think that another essential element of these sorts of things, like for these sorts of beliefs to really latch on... | ||
| Especially in childhood, it's important that you have a source of information. | ||
| Like, you have to have some... | ||
| Like, you can... | ||
| Like, if my parents had believed in ghosts or something like that, there's a decent chance I would have believed the house was haunted, too. | ||
| Because at that time, I would have relied on this authority figure in my parents, and they believe that this is real. | ||
| Why should I not believe it's real? | ||
| So, I need to find a piece from Sebastian Martin's life that is concrete enough. | ||
| That indicates to me that there's wackiness afoot. | ||
| And let me tell you, there's more than one. | ||
| Oh, boy. | ||
| In his next clip, he talks about his grandma. | ||
| Oh, no. | ||
| His grandma had a vision of the Virgin Mary. | ||
| Oh, no. | ||
| So, what about, like, grandparents? | ||
| Did you ever have a grandparent or other people, you know, who had visions or share, you know, nothing like that? | ||
| What happened was my grandmother on my mother's side, She had cancer in many places. | ||
| And she was one of the miracle of lords in South France. | ||
| She had cancer in Germany. | ||
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In the Grotto. | |
| And she's actually been twice on the Vatican's list on the real miracles of the Vatican. | ||
| I see. | ||
| Top five miracles. | ||
| She was about to die. | ||
| And she was driven in a wheelchair to the Grotto. | ||
| This was back when Heft was staying alive. | ||
| I see. | ||
| She turned Catholic after that. | ||
| She was Protestant to begin with. | ||
| And how old was she at this time when this happened? | ||
| Probably in her 30s, I would say. | ||
| Oh, fairly young. | ||
| Yes, fairly young. | ||
| And she's still alive today. | ||
| Really? | ||
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Yes. | |
| She's very resilient. | ||
| Look at you girls just gapping. | ||
| And I'm still in touch with her, but she had these profound experiences multiple times. | ||
| Again, just related to religion, and I was not a religious person, so I kind of discarded it as being relevant in any way. | ||
| But did you hear the stories when you were a child? | ||
| If I heard the stories? | ||
| No. | ||
| Did you hear the stories about your grandmother, or did your grandmother tell you the stories of what happened to her? | ||
| When I was older, yes. | ||
| Only when I was older. | ||
| I don't believe that. | ||
| You can say that he only heard those stories later. | ||
| I don't believe that. | ||
| If you have a grandmother who's at 30 years old sees the Virgin Mary at the grotto in the Vatican and then becomes a Catholic out of nowhere when she was Protestant before, that's going to be a piece of your family's lore. | ||
| She's going to talk about that all the time. | ||
| You better believe it. | ||
| And so is your mom. | ||
| It's going to be something that people find. | ||
| The Vatican has certified multiple miracles involving your grandmother. | ||
| I want to know where they put out those lists, because apparently they put them out annually. | ||
| It's on BuzzFeed. | ||
| You would have to just be like, hey, mom, why are we Catholic? | ||
| And she'd be like, well, your mom... | ||
| Your grandmother... | ||
| And there's no way... | ||
| She knows the Pope. | ||
| And there's no way her being 30 would be after he's 12. Yeah, exactly. | ||
| So it happened before. | ||
| I just don't believe... | ||
| Well, the French are weird, man. | ||
| I don't believe it that there'd be this huge... | ||
| I would say nationally important. | ||
| Internationally important. | ||
| Globally important event that happens in your grandmother's life. | ||
| And then your mom would be like, hey, don't tell the kid about that until he's 25. Yeah. | ||
| Or whatever. | ||
| There's no way. | ||
| Some of my grandpa's fishing has wound up in family lore. | ||
| And he's zero miracles. | ||
| It's crazy. | ||
| Families have a way of mythologizing their own past. | ||
| There's an oral tradition within families, and there's no way that something this important wouldn't be a piece of it. | ||
| So he can say that he didn't know until later, but I find that to be beyond credulity. | ||
| This is one family trait that I have seen throughout this family now. | ||
| Modesty. | ||
| None of them want to... | ||
| Look, she doesn't want to brag. | ||
| Oh, sure, he was the CEO of an international company, but he's not going to put it on his LinkedIn page. | ||
| That's just over it. | ||
| She's been on miracles lists twice. | ||
| Listicles. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| So that's the grandma. | ||
| And now we talk about his mom a little bit. | ||
| His mom was in a really bad car accident, and she survived, but also apparently died in the car accident. | ||
| Okay. | ||
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And when she died, she had a little bit of inexperience. | |
| They always do. | ||
| And so when she died, she went through this tunnel, and she saw her body, you know, over the table. | ||
| And when she went through the tunnel, she saw those white beings, and she told me that when she talked to them, that they said, this is not your time, you're supposed to be coming back, because your time is not ready yet. | ||
| And so she came back, and she came back with the healing capacity of putting her hands close to a person. | ||
| And removing the major burns of people. | ||
| And she never promoted it. | ||
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She always was broke. | |
| She never earned money from it. | ||
| I gave her money myself to sustain herself now in retirement. | ||
| But she never really made a fuss about it. | ||
| So his mom died in a car accident and went to the White Light. | ||
| It turns out these are archangels that she met. | ||
|
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Okay. | |
| And they tell her her work's not done. | ||
| Send her back to Earth now with the healing powers. | ||
| She can heal people with her touch. | ||
| I would like to know what level she is and how many... | ||
| Like, does she roll from a d6 to see how many HP that she returns to people with their severe burns? | ||
| Like, what are we talking about here? | ||
| I don't fully know, like, the timeline on this. | ||
| I don't think it's all that clear, but I assume this is some part of his... | ||
| Grandma! | ||
| Couple miracles. | ||
| Right. | ||
| Mom, healing hands. | ||
| Died, came back with healing hands. | ||
| Me, CEO of a honey company? | ||
| I don't know. | ||
| I gotta bump up my story. | ||
| Yeah, no kidding. | ||
| My lineage is really outclassing me. | ||
|
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Yeah. | |
| Gonna need to have met Zor. | ||
| Probably gonna need Zor in my life. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| So, at this point, we've seen a bit of, like, that... | ||
| The elements are all there. | ||
| The family history of sort of grandiose paranormal type stuff. | ||
| We see the timeline of this matching up with highly stressful life events. | ||
| And now he gets to another stressful life event that's towards the end of his youthful visions. | ||
| And again, this just looks terrible. | ||
| When I was 16, I actually had a lot of things happening. | ||
| I was in a private school. | ||
| And my dad sent me off there and I was in a boarding school. | ||
| So I basically was interacting with boys and girls. | ||
| And I was there from Monday to Friday. | ||
| And I said during classes I had automatic writing. | ||
| I could just write like a foreign language or like an alien language from top to bottom and left to right. | ||
| And I had no idea what that meant. | ||
| Euroglyphs or Chinese language. | ||
| It was kind of a mix of everything, but it was hard to... | ||
| And I had books filled with this. | ||
| And because I traveled so much, my dad, when he moved away, threw out everything that I owned. | ||
| So I basically lost all of that. | ||
| Even the art, all the stuff that I had, it's gone. | ||
| Incredible. | ||
| Just out of curiosity, can you do this writing now? | ||
| No. | ||
| I could recognize it, but I could not redo it. | ||
| Okay. | ||
| So at 16, I filled notebooks full of all the languages of the world that I automatically wrote, but unfortunately my dad threw it all away, and now I can't do it anymore. | ||
| His dad and he do not have a good relationship. | ||
| It doesn't seem like it. | ||
| No, and that may also have contributed to his visions from 12 to 16. I think it would be too hard for us to speculate just based on the information that we have, but it does seem like it's interesting that he's casting his dad. | ||
| in terms of the story as the one who has precluded him from proving his story. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
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It's a negative thing, whereas the mom and grandmother are both pitched as heroic elements in the story. | |
| Do you know what that tells me? | ||
| He is very much like the 16-year-old who suddenly starts wearing a hat all the time. | ||
| Interesting. | ||
| You know, this is clearly his affectation. | ||
| Like, oh, look at me. | ||
| I can automatically write all of this stuff. | ||
| I am an interesting person despite my complete lack of personality. | ||
| I think that there's something to that, and I think it's reinforced by this next clip, where he discusses how he learned to astral travel. | ||
|
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Oh! | |
| In order to impress a girl at his school. | ||
| Something about that. | ||
| And I also found a girl that year. | ||
| And I was trying to impress her. | ||
| And I said, look, you know, I did meditation, transcendental meditation with my mother. | ||
|
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What? | |
| Because she loves Buddhism. | ||
| And I did that since the age of nine. | ||
| Before or after she could heal? | ||
| And so I said, I would like to do a test, you know, an experiment with you. | ||
| And I would like you to place an object on your night table. | ||
| And tomorrow morning, I will tell you what it is. | ||
| And I never did it before, but I felt confident that I could do it. | ||
| And so, the same night, I went in my bedroom, and I was on my own. | ||
| I laid down on the bed, and instead of sitting down when you do transcendental meditation and repeating a mantra, I was just laying down, and what I was focusing on was the bedroom of the girl. | ||
| We'll get back to this here in a second, but the idea that he's just sort of... | ||
| Tossing in that his mom taught him how to transcendental meditate at age 9 is not unimportant. | ||
| Because that means his mom was into that younger. | ||
| And, you know, without getting into libelous territory or slander, a lot of people believe that transcendental meditation is kind of a cult. | ||
| And also, there have been some people who have reported that it can be a kind of dangerous practice, especially for children. | ||
| That sort of thing. | ||
| Because it is just repeating a mantra over and over and over again for like 20 minutes in your head. | ||
| And it can take you into some self-trance hypnotic states. | ||
| Like, it is something that an unformed brain, it could be dangerous for them to engage in. | ||
| So we have this, his mom's teaching it to him at nine, and then he goes off to this boarding school and he's doing it on his own without any kind of guidance. | ||
| I think that there's some dangerous elements in there. | ||
| But... | ||
| He wants to impress this girl so he gets into his meditative state and astrally travels into her bedroom. | ||
| And that's what I was aiming for. | ||
| And I basically came out of my body and I could feel I was going forward very fast in a black tunnel. | ||
| And all of a sudden I was above a night table and I could see three objects, not just one, the three. | ||
| And I described them as like a pendant and a necklace. | ||
| There was a ring. | ||
| Sorry, a ring and a necklace around it. | ||
| And so it was interlaced. | ||
| And there was also like a notepad on the side with different color shades on the side. | ||
| Very detailed. | ||
| The notepad said, get out of my fucking room. | ||
| And I was in a tunnel vision. | ||
| And as soon as I finished seeing it, I just came back into my body. | ||
| When I opened my eyes, I was sweating profusely and I was out of breath. | ||
| And he really scared me. | ||
| You for real broke into her house. | ||
| And I couldn't move for a while. | ||
| But then at the end I said, I did it. | ||
| And I was just happy to... | ||
| I couldn't wait to go back in the morning and tell the girl what I've seen. | ||
| So I did that. | ||
| And when I saw her, you know, she freaked out. | ||
| I would too. | ||
| You broke into my fucking house, asshole! | ||
| It's not a house. | ||
| I think they're dorms or something like that. | ||
| But there's still a chance he could have looked in her window or something like that. | ||
| Like, nothing that he's describing, like, if that story is even real, I don't believe that it proves that he astrally traveled. | ||
|
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Nope. | |
| And then furthermore, even if he wasn't, like, peeping in her window, a necklace and a ring and a pendant, that's not, like, really high-end predictions for, like, a teenage girl to have on her nightstand. | ||
| The idea that he's like, you have jewelry. | ||
| If it was something fucked up, like something really weird that was on her nightstand, then at least it would be like, wow, how'd you know that? | ||
| You must have been peeping in the window. | ||
| This could have also just been a good guess. | ||
| So nothing here proves any of this stuff. | ||
| And it almost certainly, and it very easily could have turned into that medium con man kind of thing where he's telling her small bits of information and she's giving him larger bits of information back. | ||
| Suggestive conversation. | ||
| Exactly, yeah, yeah, yeah. | ||
| Speaking of which, Sebastian then gets mixed up with someone who might have been doing that to him, and that is a hypnotherapist. | ||
| Oh, no. | ||
| So he's into TM at 9 and then he goes to a hypnotherapist? | ||
| Well, this is how we flash into adulthood. | ||
| This is the most suggestible human being. | ||
| So we get into adulthood and he goes to a hypnotherapist that teaches him about the idea of how to self-hypnotize. | ||
| Just sort of a meditative kind of thing. | ||
| It's not always nefarious or super weird. | ||
| There are some sort of therapeutic benefits. | ||
| But one of the big therapeutic benefits is it's good at dealing with anxiety. | ||
| Good with dealing with severe stress, which might be part of what precipitated these visions and all that stuff to begin with. | ||
| So it doesn't surprise me at all that he starts talking about this self-hypnosis, this hypnotherapist that he went to, and after he started to go to them, the visions stopped being upsetting again. | ||
| Gotcha. | ||
| There is also sort of a strange thing that years later, you go into this hypnotist. | ||
| Clinical psychologist, I guess you called her. | ||
| And you're asking to have either the visions removed or controlled. | ||
| Yes. | ||
| And yet, at the same time, you did learn transcendental meditation, so you knew how to meditate. | ||
| Yes. | ||
| And she taught you how to do self-hypnosis. | ||
|
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That's correct. | |
| Not a big difference between meditation and self-hypnosis. | ||
| I mean, was there really something she taught you that you didn't know? | ||
| It's just a technique, really. | ||
| And did you feel it worked? | ||
| Yes. | ||
| I was able to control my visions and have them on demand. | ||
| Which is something I stopped doing very shortly because I got bored out of it. | ||
| You got bored of it. | ||
| I wasn't really that frightened by it anymore. | ||
| And since then, to be honest with you, I didn't really suffer from the anxiety and the stress that I used to have back in 2010. | ||
| So I feel much more comfortable with it now. | ||
| There's so many red flags in just, like, the things that he's saying and the way he's describing his path through these visions and stuff like that, that it's really irresponsible for Carrie, whether or not she believes him, because I know that she tries to pretend, like, all I do is I talk to whistleblowers and then you can decide if they resonate with you or not. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| You know, like, I'm not saying that Eddie Page really is a Pleiadian, even though I keep having him on my show and reinforcing his narratives and stuff like that. | ||
| I'm not saying that. | ||
| You guys gotta decide. | ||
| That sort of shit. | ||
| If she had any interest in the truth, even if she believes in aliens and the secret space program and all that, if she had any interest in the truth, she would be like, this story that you're telling me is really upsetting because you're clearly describing a timeline through your life of highly stressful, anxious situations. | ||
| Leading to you having delusions that you were talking to aliens and what have you. | ||
| Now, you're talking to me about going to see this hypnotherapist, and afterwards, your stress and anxiety that you felt about all this went away, and you were able to integrate the information that you're experiencing. | ||
| Excuse me, Sebastian. | ||
| I have Occam's razor for you. | ||
| I purchased it at an auction. | ||
| She should want to call this out. | ||
| Because if she doesn't, it looks like she's supporting it, and that hurts her larger argument about aliens and space, because this is a piece of it. | ||
| And she's had him on three times to talk about this shit. | ||
| She can't do that. | ||
| No, of course she can't, but it indicates to me a lack of seriousness, of course, but also a lack of interest, even in the goal that she professes to be interested in. | ||
| Right, no, the reason that she can't do that is just more like, Dumb people, if they find out that if they go on her show, she might challenge them and get their ass kicked, they're not going to go on her show. | ||
| And then the content becomes a lot less interesting. | ||
| Yeah, especially because... | ||
| If she starts challenging one asshole, it's gotta be every asshole. | ||
| And none of them can stand up to scrutiny. | ||
| No, not really. | ||
| Not really. | ||
| But the reason that I bring it up is that I do empathize with the situation that Sebastian Martin is describing. | ||
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Oh, yeah! | |
| I don't like how he's deciding to go about his life in terms of writing a book about being friends with aliens and shit. | ||
| I don't think that's helpful. | ||
| But I do empathize with him in the same way that you see this... | ||
| This image of somebody who's clearly working a con now, but was a terrified child having nightmares of a haunted shed when he was younger. | ||
| Poor relationship with his dad. | ||
| You do empathize with the story, and it's irresponsible for people around him to humor this stuff. | ||
| You know? | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| I don't think you should, like, if I was friends with him, I don't think it would be right to be like, ha ha, you're a fucking idiot. | ||
| You don't believe in aliens. | ||
| You know, it's not right to abuse him about this stuff, but it's equally abusive to just be like, oh man, tell me about Zor. | ||
| Isn't it cool that you went on a spaceship? | ||
| Like, that's not okay. | ||
| That's just as harmful. | ||
| That's such one of those situations where if your mom and grandma weren't both fucking, like, Performing miracles left and right. | ||
| You would have just gone to a normal psychiatrist instead of a hypnotherapist. | ||
| But it is interesting, I think you can still hear there, that he did get some modicum of benefit from it. | ||
| Yeah, of course. | ||
| So there is still a therapeutic element to this, unfortunately, larger, un-therapeutic relationship that they had. | ||
| Because this hypnotherapy, these sessions, end up leading him towards recovering memories of being on spaceships. | ||
| Which is one of the problems with these regression therapies and things like that. | ||
| There's suggestions that are easily implantable. | ||
| It's not always the therapist trying to do that, but it's a minefield to navigate, and most people can't do those sorts of things responsibly. | ||
| You end up walking away with it with false memories that because of the... | ||
| Regression hypnotherapy you validate and now think are actually real. | ||
| Well, there's the famous daycare people who... | ||
| There's tons of examples of it. | ||
| Yeah, there's tons of that. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| So he goes to this hypnotherapy and he ends up figuring out that at 16... | ||
| He was taken up to a spaceship by aliens. | ||
| Of course. | ||
| And he's there. | ||
| He's on the ship, and he sees himself as a baby. | ||
| He's a six-month-old version of himself. | ||
| Sure. | ||
| And he's going to describe that here in a second. | ||
| But he also sees a couple of aliens arguing with each other. | ||
| And so the hypnotherapist tells him, what are they arguing about? | ||
| And he's like, I don't know. | ||
| So she asks him to ask the aliens what they're arguing about. | ||
| And so we jump in and we see what happens. | ||
| Oh, no, I'm sorry. | ||
| The aliens tell him, we can't touch you because you've been tampered with. | ||
| And he doesn't understand what that means. | ||
|
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Right. | |
| And then immediately he blacks out. | ||
| Because I blacked out from that scene and I went backwards. | ||
| And when I opened my eyes, I was in the body of a six-month-old baby. | ||
| And I was in a cylinder. | ||
| With a glass dome, there was like omega symbols on the seam to almost like, you know, clench the glass with the metal. | ||
| And there was a black liquid inside that was organic. | ||
| It had intelligence, but it was not... | ||
| It didn't feel like AI. | ||
| It felt like silk. | ||
| It was basically covering my body. | ||
| And through the glass, I saw two... | ||
| Tall Pleiadians. | ||
| They were about seven feet tall. | ||
| The tall Pleiadians were also about seven feet tall. | ||
| So not like the five feet that you can hear. | ||
| But were the little ones there as well? | ||
| No. | ||
| Just the tall ones? | ||
| Just the tall ones. | ||
|
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Aha! | |
| And so when I... | ||
| When I saw the Pleiadians, they were wearing exactly the same blue uniform as Zoro when I saw him in my living room. | ||
| But they had that upside-down triangle on their chest. | ||
| And the man had a beard, and he had sort of a helmet on. | ||
| I could still see his hair. | ||
| Wait, he had a beard? | ||
| Almost like curly hair. | ||
|
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I see. | |
| And a curly beard a bit. | ||
| And he had a trident symbol on his forehead. | ||
| And the woman was next to him, and she was as tall as he was. | ||
| Both very fit, and they were very stern as well. | ||
| They looked at me, and there was no real emotion. | ||
| I couldn't feel any emotions coming out of them. | ||
| And I described this within a few seconds, and it really startled me. | ||
| And that's when it kind of shocked me a bit, because I knew that I was no longer... | ||
| Imagine it. | ||
| It was so clear. | ||
| You knew that that was yourself. | ||
| You were that baby. | ||
| Yes, when I was six months old, yes. | ||
| So he had... | ||
| I am Space Poseidon! | ||
| Earlier in this episode, he talks about how he had a skin condition when he was born. | ||
|
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Yeah. | |
| And it was like a really bad thing, and that it healed when he was six months old, or something like that. | ||
| He's very nonspecific with what the condition was, so I have no fucking idea. | ||
| But now, through this hypnotherapy stuff, he is recovering memories of being a six-month-old taken up by the Pleiadians who healed his skin condition, which is... | ||
| Dubious, I would say. | ||
|
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Oh yeah? | |
| Yeah. | ||
| Why's that? | ||
| It was either aliens, which it could have been. | ||
| Could have been. | ||
| Or it was... | ||
| Medicine. | ||
| Cream. | ||
| Could have been. | ||
| Could have been. | ||
| Any of these things are possible. | ||
| He was only six months old, so he wouldn't really... | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| I don't know. | ||
| And even if that black liquid is the issue, it's still cream. | ||
| I mean, I imagine that what you're seeing expressed is that his mom, over the course of his life... | ||
| Had told him that like you were born with this condition and we were really scared. | ||
| We didn't know if you would survive. | ||
| We didn't know if you would heal. | ||
| And he has, like, really over-built it up in his head that it's, like, a deadly, super horrible, like, flesh-eating bacteria kind of thing, and that he was saved at the 11th hour by these aliens. | ||
| Right. | ||
| As opposed to it being like, yeah, it was scary. | ||
| You were born with this condition, but medicine took care of it. | ||
| Like, there's a way that this is also a piece of family lore being exaggerated and misunderstood by a child. | ||
| So I still don't hear anything that I think is real. | ||
| That's all I'm saying. | ||
| The aliens are just arguing like, I didn't want to adopt a child! | ||
| What are you doing? | ||
| I think it'll be good for us. | ||
| You stole that baby! | ||
| I think it'll be good for us. | ||
| Our marriage is falling apart! | ||
| It turns out, actually, he is an alien. | ||
| Okay. | ||
| We'll get to that. | ||
| Of course. | ||
| He's a hybrid or something like that. | ||
| Of course. | ||
| Of course. | ||
| And he's also part ghost. | ||
| Yes. | ||
| Naturally. | ||
| We all are, to a certain extent. | ||
| So he has these memories, and he experiences all this in the therapy, and Carrie asks him if he'd read any stuff about... | ||
| Aliens and all this shit before he had these experiences and he's like, no, absolutely not. | ||
| I don't like any of that stuff. | ||
| And then later in the episode he starts talking about all these fucking alien books and stuff like that. | ||
| It's like, wait a second. | ||
| You did read all this stuff! | ||
| Because it's not like he says, I didn't read any of that but then afterwards I was so interested that I dug in and read all this stuff. | ||
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Yeah, yeah, yeah. | |
| He says, I'm not interested in any of that nonsense. | ||
| I only want to talk about what my experience is. | ||
| And based on the fact that he's referencing Stephen Greer later in the episode and things like that, it's like, hold on, man. | ||
| You are interested in this. | ||
| So you're lying about not being interested in order to present the idea that all of this information just comes from me. | ||
| Because he can't have read all of those books if his information lines up. | ||
| Really closely with those books, then people are going to be like, hmm, maybe you're just talking... | ||
| Right. | ||
| In the same way that he can't have known about his grandma's Vatican-certified miracles earlier in life, or else that would call into question, where would you get these sorts of ideas from? | ||
| Right. | ||
| It's there. | ||
| So, after this, he's hanging out. | ||
| He's chilling. | ||
| Yeah! | ||
| Just running the honey business. | ||
|
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What are you going to do? | |
| And so Zor comes back. | ||
| Zor revisits him. | ||
| With a vengeance? | ||
| No vengeance, just an invitation. | ||
| Why don't you come on my spaceship? | ||
| Why is Zor five feet tall and the other alien seven feet tall? | ||
| That's something I'm literally not interested in. | ||
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That is a zero to me. | |
| There are certain details that I just... | ||
| I don't give a shit. | ||
| I don't give a shit at all. | ||
| So Zor comes back and is like, hey buddy, why don't you come joyride with me in the spaceship? | ||
| That sounds fun. | ||
| And Sebastian's like, I don't know if I can do that. | ||
| What? | ||
| He's very scared to go on the spaceship. | ||
| You fucking asshole. | ||
| So basically, when I was in my house again, and Zor came back again the same way he did physically, and said, I would like you now to come with me on the spacecraft. | ||
| And I didn't like that. | ||
| I didn't want to. | ||
| And I said, no, I'm sorry, but I think I'll stay home. | ||
| You guys are ruining my fucking movie. | ||
| It's just the plot of my goddamn movie. | ||
| Even if I was telling him that I wasn't coming in. | ||
| And I then contacted the hypnotherapist. | ||
| And I said, I would like to be regressed to maybe welcome the idea of going on a spaceship with Zor if he welcomed me. | ||
| And we see where that leads. | ||
| So she kind of led me through that. | ||
| That's not good. | ||
| I would say that like a licensed real hypnotherapist probably wouldn't accept a session where someone was like, hey, this alien dude just invited me on his spaceship, but I was a little bit nervous and scared of that. | ||
| I would say that's inethical. | ||
| That's great. | ||
| I'm sorry. | ||
| That sounds really tough. | ||
| I am gonna have to triple my usual hourly rate. | ||
| So it'll be about 300 bucks. | ||
| I did say a licensed, credible, ethical hypnotherapist. | ||
| So that would... | ||
| Yeah, I don't know. | ||
| I just hear... | ||
| I hear either this hypnotherapist is made up or, like, it's just someone real shady. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| Real shady. | ||
|
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Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. | |
| But who knows what the reality is. | ||
| Either way, he goes in to try and make peace with space. | ||
| Why are you looking at me like that? | ||
| I'm just... | ||
|
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He's just gonna go make peace with space! | |
| So, it works. | ||
| I'm still pissed off that he didn't take that trip with Zor. | ||
| He does, though. | ||
| Oh, he does! | ||
| But he does it through the hypnotherapy. | ||
| He ends up making peace with it and getting up to that spaceship, and when he does, he finds out what his mission is. | ||
| So what happened was, I felt like I was elevated up in a shaft of some sort, and the doors open up, and when I walked out, he was right there greeting me. | ||
| And in the background, I could see the same tall man and woman when I was six months old. | ||
| That Zor is a bad mother. | ||
| He grabbed me and led me to see them. | ||
| Was he tall also? | ||
|
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Oh, yeah. | |
| Same height. | ||
| See, she's interested in how people saw him. | ||
| He was more like 6 '2", 6 '3". | ||
| So he wasn't that high. | ||
| He wasn't that tall, I don't think. | ||
| Just the reason that they care about heights is that different alien races have different sorts of heights characterizing them. | ||
| And so Pleiadians are taller and they're the good ones or whatever. | ||
| Greys are usually shorter and they're nefarious little henchmen. | ||
| So that's why she cares, but it's also why I don't care. | ||
|
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Yeah, yeah, yeah. | |
| No, he wasn't that tall, no. | ||
| But his parents were. | ||
| So the man and the woman were like seven feet tall. | ||
| And when they saw me... | ||
| We healed you when you were six months old! | ||
|
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What up? | |
| And the man started to argue telepathically with Zor. | ||
| They were on a platform higher up. | ||
| And when we walked up that way, basically Zor argued with his dad. | ||
| Can't we keep them? | ||
| He's not ready. | ||
| What is he doing here? | ||
| He's not supposed to be here. | ||
| And Zoho said, no, I think he's ready. | ||
| We need to share information with him or something. | ||
|
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I don't quite record exactly what I said. | |
| But that's when the man addressed me, looked me up, looked me in the eye and said, you are supposed to be living a life, a basic life on Earth of emotions. | ||
| Die and come back to us. | ||
| That was it. | ||
| And I said, okay. | ||
|
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I don't know what's going on, but okay, whatever you say. | |
| And then he said, but now your mission has changed and you are supposed to be going back to Earth and awaken the starseeds of the planet. | ||
| I said, okay. | ||
| But I had no clue what that meant. | ||
| And that was the true soul message that arose from this conversation. | ||
| Okay. | ||
| Okay. | ||
| Awaken the star seeds of the planet. | ||
| Dude. | ||
| That's your mission. | ||
| Your job was to become a space ghost. | ||
| Alright? | ||
| And now you're coming up to me. | ||
| Guess what? | ||
| You fucked up. | ||
| You were going to have an easy life, but now you've got to go back down there and awaken all them goddamn starseeds, huh? | ||
| How about that? | ||
| You're going to be a honey impresario, live a life of emotions, and then when you die, come back to your true form, which is as an alien. | ||
| And we're going to put you on coast-to-coast AM, so you will be quite literally... | ||
| I'm almost certain he has been on... | ||
| Space ghost, coast-to-coast. | ||
| I'm guessing he's been on coast-to-coast. | ||
| But he... | ||
| So... | ||
| You know, I hear that and it's like, oh boy. | ||
| Oh, boy. | ||
| That's a mess. | ||
| Because it's narcissism. | ||
| I don't like those aliens' decision-making process. | ||
| If they are giving out jobs left and right, you can't do it on a dime, man. | ||
| You should think about it. | ||
| Have an interview. | ||
| And so much of this, it just comes down to none of this can ever be confirmed. | ||
| Any of this stuff that he's allegedly capable of doing is conveniently, I can't do that anymore. | ||
| I can't automatically write in other languages anymore because... | ||
| You know, if you had that ability, it would be very confirmable. | ||
| You don't know Mandarin. | ||
| Write a sentence in Mandarin. | ||
| Or something like that. | ||
| It would be super easy to be like, can you do it or you can't? | ||
| I could do that when I was younger. | ||
| I can't do it now. | ||
| Astral travel. | ||
| If that's real, it would be so easy to confirm. | ||
| It would be so easy. | ||
| And no one can do it. | ||
| And sneaking into a woman's dorm is not the way you confirm astral travel. | ||
| Right. | ||
| In this case, maybe not. | ||
| Going up to a spaceship and having them tell you you're supposed to awaken starseeds, that's not easy to prove. | ||
| But intentionally so. | ||
| It's just this nonsense he experienced in these hypnotherapy sessions that I have, you know, some slight reason to believe maybe weren't carried out the most professionally. | ||
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So... | |
| I hate those. | ||
| I hate that, like... | ||
| And now you are the only person who, you're the most special person in the world. | ||
| Right, it's narcissism. | ||
| If we were taken up to, like, if we started this whole thing and we were taken up to a spaceship, the mission would be like, run a mildly successful podcast. | ||
| Keep talking shit. | ||
| Sweet. | ||
| Alright, we can do that. | ||
| I don't want to awaken starseeds, but mildly successful podcast? | ||
| Hell yeah. | ||
| So... | ||
| In this next clip, Carrie asks a very important question, and that is, how long were you in this hypnotherapy? | ||
| Like, how long did that go on for? | ||
| And the question has an answer that is not as long as you'd think. | ||
| How long did you go for actually getting these sessions going on, for example? | ||
| Probably over maybe a month and a half, two months, maybe. | ||
| That's it? | ||
| Only a month or two months. | ||
| I understand. | ||
| You know, I would think so. | ||
| I can spend my life doing this. | ||
| He had other things to do. | ||
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Jesus. | |
| I would say if you uncover that you as a baby were taken up into a spaceship and healed by Pleiadians and then got brought back up and they told you that it was your mission to awaken the Earth's star seeds. | ||
| I would say nothing else matters at that point. | ||
| You don't have other things to do. | ||
| They did also say that he wasn't supposed to be there, so maybe it's like, okay, cool, I'll respect their wishes, why do I need to go back into that? | ||
| That's a past tense sentence. | ||
| You weren't supposed to be here, but now that you are, you are supposed to be here, and you have a mission. | ||
| Honey doesn't matter anymore. | ||
| And so that is him trying to present himself as a hyper-irrational person. | ||
| Where it's like, I had other things to do. | ||
| Sure, I had that experience or whatever, but I had other things to do. | ||
| And he goes on to be like, look, yeah, I talked to Zor and his parents. | ||
| I talked to them. | ||
| They told me it was my mission to awaken the starseeds. | ||
| But they didn't tell me what that meant. | ||
| They didn't tell me any of that stuff. | ||
| They didn't give me any help. | ||
| So I just went back to my business. | ||
| That's kind of fair. | ||
| No, it's not. | ||
| No, I think that's fair. | ||
| It implies you don't believe the story you're telling. | ||
| No. | ||
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Yes. | |
| It implies that they're being dicks. | ||
| No, certainly. | ||
| Like, they gave you an impossible task, well, fuck you, I'm running honey. | ||
| No doubt it is a little bit of an ask. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| On the part of the aliens. | ||
| It is a little bit, like, you're setting this guy up for failure. | ||
| Yeah, that's rude. | ||
| But at the same time, if you truly believe whatever you had experienced, like the idea that there are these aliens out there and that you are super important to their plan or whatever, I don't believe that the trivial matters of just a small to medium-sized business would be... | ||
| Like, I don't think that would get in the way of, like... | ||
| Everything has changed. | ||
| I now know that there's more in the universe than we think. | ||
| There's hidden realities. | ||
| I'm a piece of it. | ||
| I need to pursue this. | ||
| I don't think it would take a few years for you to be like yeah let me get back to that mission. | ||
| Maybe he's leaving off the second part of it. | ||
| Maybe the mission was actually, I need you to awaken the Starseeds by running a small to mid-sized business. | ||
| Little do we know, Starseeds is space slang for bees. | ||
| Yeah! | ||
| See, there you go. | ||
| You need to awaken the Starseed bees. | ||
| No. | ||
| So he poo-poos this mission and goes back to his business for a bit. | ||
| But then he sells the business. | ||
| And a little bit afterwards, he has some voices that tell him how to pursue his mission. | ||
| In 2014, I heard a voice saying, you have to go to Mount Shasta. | ||
| You have to go to Mount Shasta. | ||
| And again, I was still working and I didn't know what to do with this. | ||
| And so my wife just came back from surgery. | ||
| She had a back surgery. | ||
| Could have called your mom. | ||
| She was six months in the recovery process. | ||
| And selfishly, I said to her, I'm sorry, but I need to go to Mount Shasta. | ||
| I have no idea why, but I have to go there. | ||
| And she looked at me and said, are you joking? | ||
| I said, no, you're not going. | ||
| You're staying here. | ||
| You're a shitty husband. | ||
| Yeah, that's a little... | ||
| That is awful! | ||
| She's convalescing, and you heard a voice that said, go to Mount Shasta. | ||
| And by the way, if you ever hear a voice that says, you gotta go to Mount Shasta, don't listen to that voice. | ||
| Are you sure? | ||
| Yeah, I'm positive. | ||
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Why? | |
| Mount Shasta is this place where, like, it's sort of a mecca for New Age, sort of pseudo-spiritual weirdos. | ||
| There's a lot of, like, paranormal activity that goes on there, and sort of vague cult behavior is very associated with Mount Shasta. | ||
| Okay, so his wife is convalescing. | ||
| We know he has at least one kid. | ||
| Yep. | ||
| And at this very, very crucial time, he's like... | ||
| I really don't want to be around you guys. | ||
| I don't think back surgery is, like, ever minor. | ||
|
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No. | |
| I mean, I guess there probably is a version of it, but if you have to heal for that long, it's probably something pretty serious. | ||
|
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Yeah. | |
| But yeah, and again, it is indicative. | ||
| And you could have called your mom with her healing hand, so... | ||
| It's true. | ||
| But I think he already said, though, that it only really works with burns. | ||
| I'm not sure if he said it only works with burns, but that's what he did specify. | ||
| That's true. | ||
| But again, this fits the pattern that's been established, that his wife had this surgery. | ||
| She needs to heal up. | ||
| You got a kid. | ||
| That's a highly stressful period. | ||
| So it makes sense that he would also then start experiencing the same symptoms that he had before, which are the uncontrollable, unintegratable versions of these delusions. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
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And the delusion is manifested by a voice saying, go to Mount Shasta. | |
| Well, even then, the voice tells you to go to Mount Shasta. | ||
| You gotta find it. | ||
| So you Google Mount Shasta. | ||
| You're not just gonna Google Maps Mount Shasta. | ||
| You're gonna look at one of the websites and it's gonna be everything you need to know. | ||
| Probably. | ||
| But I think he probably knew before the supposed voice. | ||
| I think that knowing about it precipitated the voice. | ||
| Probably. | ||
| Being like, oh, that seems like where I would find the answers to the stuff that... | ||
| And even Kerry gets into it like, you're... | ||
| You're not a young person. | ||
| You were around when Close Encounters came out. | ||
| You were alive when E.T. came out. | ||
| These sorts of things. | ||
| It's like, yeah, I saw those, but they're movies. | ||
| Which I think is a... | ||
| Real answer. | ||
| But also a lot of those ideas about, like, Mount Shasta, very similar to Close Encounters. | ||
| Okay. | ||
| You know, like the idea that you have to go to this monolith. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| That sort of thing. | ||
| Being drawn to this place where aliens commune. | ||
| Right. | ||
| And things like that. | ||
| So I don't believe that those ideas weren't already present in his head before his supposed auditory hallucination in 2014. | ||
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Of course. | |
| So he goes to Mount Shasta. | ||
| And he leaves his wife. | ||
| She agrees to let him go. | ||
| I really don't like this. | ||
| I don't like it at all either. | ||
| I really don't like this guy. | ||
| No, it's dicey. | ||
| This is a bad guy. | ||
| He's not a great guy, it seems. | ||
| But he goes to Mount Shasta, and one of the things that happens is he ends up at a lodge near base of the mount, or whatever. | ||
| And there's a library there, and he finds a book about Mount Shasta that was written by someone who's around the area. | ||
| He's a local-ish guy. | ||
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Right. | |
| Local-ish author. | ||
| And this guy found something real weird at Mount Shasta that sparks some curiosity in the part of Sebastian Martin. | ||
| I was interested in history and I said, oh, what's the lodge about? | ||
| So she gave me a book about the history of the lodge and who built it and so on. | ||
| And the author of the book was local. | ||
| And when I read his book, what really drew me to the book was him having an experience. | ||
| On the mountain, on the north side, sorry, the south side of the mountain, where he went up there with his eight-year-old son, his dog, and basically he went up there and he saw this Lemurian temple. | ||
| And he could not really get into it. | ||
| It was so powerful and strange that he backed away and he just marked the emplacement on the tree and went back home. | ||
| The next day when he went back on his own, the temple was gone. | ||
| So I thought that was very interesting, and I thought to myself, I need to contact this author. | ||
| So he tries. | ||
| He finds the publisher of the book, and he calls them. | ||
| In a miraculous act of coincidence, timing, the person... | ||
| At, the publisher, was staying late after hours that day, so he was able to get in touch with them. | ||
| And he tells them, I want to talk to the person who wrote this book about Mount Shasta. | ||
| What can I do? | ||
| And she's like, well, if you send me an email, I'll forward it to him, and if he wants to contact you, he will. | ||
| So they go through that process. | ||
| Five minutes later, he gets an email back from the author that was like, I'm in the area, I'll see you tomorrow morning. | ||
| So they get together. | ||
| So the author is really busy. | ||
| We don't know who this author is. | ||
| He doesn't say his name. | ||
| He doesn't say what the name of the book is. | ||
| There's a lot of books about Mount Shasta. | ||
| I have no fucking idea who this dude is. | ||
| He's probably lonely. | ||
| Might also not be real. | ||
| Who knows? | ||
| So he meets up the next morning with this guy who wrote the book about Mount Shasta and he finds out this is an M. Night Shyamalanian twist that ends up happening. | ||
| He wrote the book! | ||
| I introduce myself, talk to him about my visions. | ||
| Briefly about what I was. | ||
| And talking about his experience on the mountain. | ||
| And when I finished, he smiled and said, you know, Sebastian, I truly live that experience. | ||
| I went there with my 8-year-old son and my dog. | ||
| And yes, I saw that temple and I marked it on the tree, but I never wrote it in my book. | ||
| And I actually thought I was really reading it in his book. | ||
| You know, that's what I really truly believe. | ||
| But I guess I was having a vision of him going there. | ||
| It wasn't in the book. | ||
| The whole story wasn't in the book, but the guy had lived it. | ||
| Sebastian psychically saw him going and finding a Lemurian temple that disappeared the next day. | ||
| Boo! | ||
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Boo! | |
| The author tells him, look, dude, go up there and you find your truth. | ||
| And there is truth in them fair hills. | ||
| You go up there, but hey, bro, don't go to the place where the Lemurian Temple was. | ||
| That thing disappeared. | ||
| Of course. | ||
| You're not going to find it. | ||
| You don't have no chance of seeing that. | ||
| Right. | ||
| They don't get into specifics of why the guy told him not to go to that. | ||
| He says go to the other side of the mountain. | ||
| And his advice that he gives Sebastian is look for the big rock. | ||
| Dude. | ||
| Dude. | ||
| The fucking mountain is a big rock, asshole. | ||
| Right. | ||
| It's the kind of advice that leads you to think you found something no matter what you run into. | ||
| Look for the big rock is like, that's a guaranteed way to make it so you don't not find something. | ||
| Which is convenient. | ||
| So here's, he goes up the mountain and he finds a rock. | ||
| That's nice. | ||
| That's nice. | ||
| Good. | ||
| I like the story so far. | ||
| Now. | ||
| You probably think, or I mean, one might think, that this story ends with him going, finding the rock, interfacing with some Lemurians, and figuring out what's going on, getting some real deep information. | ||
| Well, I kind of think that this story should end sooner or later, but it... | ||
| Doesn't seem to. | ||
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No. | |
| It just seems to keep going. | ||
| All of the details in this story are long and boring, and it kind of make him look like an asshole. | ||
| Somehow, you are absolutely right. | ||
| This is the most interesting, boring thing I've ever listened to. | ||
| It drives me crazy. | ||
| It's so interestingly boring! | ||
| It takes forever! | ||
| There's all the pieces of fascinating in it, you know? | ||
| Yeah, yeah, yeah. | ||
| There's ghosts, there's aliens. | ||
| There's hypnotic regressions of going to spaceships, but it's a snooze. | ||
| It's a really boring story. | ||
| And man, he gets to Mount Shasta and he finds the rock, and this is where I almost fell asleep. | ||
|
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Yeah. | |
| Because this story is such a zero. | ||
| It is so crazy. | ||
| I don't know why he's telling it. | ||
|
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Yeah. | |
| Legitimately, he could have just been like, I went to Mount Shasta, I saw a rock. | ||
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Yeah. | |
| That's it. | ||
| But instead he takes two minutes. | ||
| To speculate that maybe he saw some aliens in the distance. | ||
| Oh, boy. | ||
| Just before I could touch the rock, when I got there, and nothing happened in between, but, you know, about safe, I could hear a deafening sound, like... | ||
| Something, like, really deafening and going down... | ||
| Might have been a plane overhead or something. | ||
| I had no idea what it was. | ||
| Oh, do you mean like a... | ||
| I couldn't see anything. | ||
| I looked around and, you know, I stopped when that happened before I could touch the rock. | ||
| Hoping that something would happen around, but nothing happens. | ||
| And when I touch the rock, then the same deep voice says to me, okay, you are done, go home. | ||
| Okay? | ||
| Is that it? | ||
| So, earlier in the story, as he's trying to find the rock, he finds a rock, and a voice in his head that has a booming, deep voice says, not that rock, idiot, or something like that. | ||
| There's another rock. | ||
| So he goes and he finds the other rock. | ||
| And now, after he's touched this rock, the same voice tells him, you're good. | ||
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Cool. | |
| You're good. | ||
|
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Cool. | |
| Get out of here. | ||
| Excuse me, voice, am I going to get reimbursed? | ||
| So I walked around the rock and went on my... | ||
| Bottom sides and went up to the original point where I started walking towards the rock. | ||
| And I waited and nothing happened. | ||
| So I looked around because I felt observed all the way. | ||
| And even from the parking lot I felt observed. | ||
| But it was increasingly becoming more heavy. | ||
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Yeah, okay. | |
| And so when I looked on one of the peaks on the horizon, And the wind was blowing and everything else. | ||
| I could see three flags that looked like flags. | ||
| And they looked like Tibetan flags, you know, those long ones. | ||
| And they had different colors. | ||
| When I looked closer, I just realized they were silhouettes. | ||
| They were beings. | ||
| But they were taller than average humans. | ||
| And I kept looking. | ||
| They weren't your average bear either. | ||
| I looked around to see if there were any more beings because, again, while I was looking at them, I could feel that maybe other beings were looking at me from behind. | ||
| So I looked up and there was nobody and I put my gaze back on that peak and the flags or the robes basically were gone. | ||
| The beings were gone. | ||
| And so I waited and waited. | ||
| Nothing happened. | ||
| Had my lunch there, late lunch, and moved back down to Manchester. | ||
| They made me push my lunch back, which was very annoying. | ||
| All the way back down, and that same voice said to me, as I was hiking down, said to me, and by the way, I'd never come back. | ||
| And I felt like, why are you so mean to me? | ||
| I'm a very nice guy. | ||
| You are not! | ||
| I left my wife. | ||
| You just left your wife alone with a back-fucking... | ||
| Oh, God. | ||
| To come touch a rock. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| I don't know if the rock touching has any significance to his story either. | ||
| If it was the rock, that would have significance. | ||
| If it was Dwayne Johnson? | ||
| If it was Dwayne Johnson, that would be a significance. | ||
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Oh, God. | |
| That'd be a way better story, too. | ||
| I just watched the Hobbs and Shaw trailer yesterday. | ||
| So good. | ||
| Very excited. | ||
| That's going to be great. | ||
| Idris Elba is bulletproof. | ||
| Literally. | ||
| Oh, superhuman powers. | ||
| Love it. | ||
| So, look, dude, that story, it stinks. | ||
| Even for a Project Camelot story, that is so underwhelming. | ||
| I went to Mount Shasta. | ||
| I imagined that a voice was telling me to touch this rock. | ||
| I touched the rock. | ||
| I may have seen a flag in the distance and decided it was an alien. | ||
| And then, look, dude, it's just, everything fits the pattern. | ||
| And the voice was like a bartender in the Old West, like, and never come back here! | ||
| I think that that's probably just a manifestation of his own thoughts of, like, this was disappointing. | ||
| Don't come back here. | ||
| Why did I do this? | ||
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Yep. | |
| There's a disappointment in it, because I saw some flags that maybe I could say were aliens that disappeared or something like that, but I don't get anything out of this story. | ||
| The only reason he can afford this is because of socialized healthcare. | ||
| I think that's the real lesson here. | ||
| He could afford it because he didn't have to pay for his wife's back surgery. | ||
| So this episode could end up being three and a half fucking hours long if we just talked about everything that he talks about, but at this point it's kind of like... | ||
| We got it, dude. | ||
| He ends up talking to some Lemurians eventually. | ||
| They tell him about the history of Lemuria. | ||
| It was destroyed by the Pleiadians. | ||
| Bummer. | ||
| I thought the Pleiadians were the good guys. | ||
| It turns out there's more to the story than you think. | ||
| They are in an alliance with the Greys. | ||
| Oh, so they're the bad guys. | ||
| Well, the reptilians are the bad guys. | ||
| God damn it. | ||
| It's very complicated. | ||
| I cannot keep this all in my head. | ||
| I tried to keep track of it, but I legitimately couldn't care less. | ||
| For sure. | ||
| I was like, oh, those are the battle lines, huh? | ||
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Cool. | |
| Cool, cool, cool, cool. | ||
| So Lemuria was destroyed by the Pleiadians, and then Atlantis was destroyed by some sort of natural cataclysm or something like that. | ||
| Carrie kind of disagrees. | ||
| She believes that Atlantis was destroyed by these evil aliens who directed a meteor at it, which the aliens do regularly. | ||
| Jesus. | ||
| They have a habit of controlling meteors. | ||
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Well... | |
| The Anunnaki come into play at some point. | ||
| They start talking about Enlil and Enki. | ||
| That's nice, because that dude did find a Sumerian temple. | ||
| Probably. | ||
| Something along those lines. | ||
| At some point, he found a rock that was a Sumerian. | ||
| It was a good rock. | ||
| He got a way better rock than our boy Sebastian. | ||
| Sebastian starts speculating about how the allegory of the cave and Plato's work was given to him by aliens. | ||
| Jesus. | ||
| I'm like, I'm out. | ||
| I'm out. | ||
| I've heard enough of you. | ||
| I can see a clinical diagnosis for why your life has gone the paranormal route that it has, and then the stories that you actually have of going to experience these things are a zero. | ||
| And Carrie's like... | ||
| I'm going to need to have you back for a couple more episodes. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| Because this story is dynamite. | ||
| Let me help promote your book. | ||
| So, we have two more clips left, and this next one's a little bit longer, but I think it's important. | ||
| And in this, we learned that there is a new group of ethereal beings that Sebastian has started talking to recently. | ||
| A super group, if you will. | ||
| They're super, and they are a group. | ||
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Yeah. | |
| See? | ||
| They're not as good as the Highwaymen. | ||
| No. | ||
| No. | ||
| So you had the visitation by what you call archangels. | ||
| Well, I call it archangels, but those beings just appeared in September of last year. | ||
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Cool. | |
| And once again, they just showed up in my living room. | ||
| I have a 17 feet high ceiling, almost like a pyramid-shaped ceiling, and I always had strange experiences there. | ||
| I was just, again, just checking my phone. | ||
| Did you say strange expenses there? | ||
| Experiences. | ||
| Oh, okay. | ||
| I was just checking posts. | ||
| Saying it out on Twitter? | ||
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Yeah. | |
| And the energy changed in the room at 10.30 at night. | ||
| And I felt it was an electrical charge, very heavy. | ||
| And I knew something was changing. | ||
| That's going to be expensive with a roof like that. | ||
| And for whatever reason, I sent a message to my mother. | ||
| And I said, how do you communicate with Archangels? | ||
| I mean, I don't care about archangels. | ||
| Like I said, I'm not a religious person, and when my mother said to me that she was using archangels and angels to help patients instead of using the regular Reiki methods... | ||
| Right, right. | ||
| Of course. | ||
| I'm sorry, but it doesn't really ring anything to me. | ||
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I just don't care. | |
| And so when I saw myself writing this... | ||
| Fuck off, archangels! | ||
| What is this? | ||
| Why am I doing this for you? | ||
| But still, I was in communication with her, and I was insisting on it. | ||
| I was actually insisting on it for half an hour, at least. | ||
| And she kept telling me, oh, you can't wait. | ||
| I will tell you, I will give you some advice and guidance on that when I come for your birthday and all of that. | ||
| On your birthday? | ||
| And I said, no, no, I really need to know how. | ||
| I need to have one protocol right now. | ||
| I need to know that. | ||
| And I had no idea why I was writing this, but I kept insisting. | ||
| And then all of a sudden, at 11.11, Make a wish. | ||
| And they materialized at the same time. | ||
| And they were transparent. | ||
| I could see through them. | ||
| But they had very piercing eyes. | ||
| And they had white hair, long hair, with white robes. | ||
| And they had porcelain skin. | ||
| Ageless people. | ||
| I could not tell if they were 500 years old or 20 years old. | ||
| It was very hard to say. | ||
| But they each had different features. | ||
| And very slender men. | ||
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Slender men. | |
| I guess they were men. | ||
| And they didn't really introduce themselves to me right away. | ||
| That's patriarchal. | ||
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I assume they were men and they were white men. | |
| He was the only one with an open book while the others observed. | ||
| And as he was walking towards me, I really was not feeling comfortable with it. | ||
| My mother was still on the phone, by the way. | ||
| Can you imagine that? | ||
| And so I was on the sofa and he was right there. | ||
| He was right next to me. | ||
| And with the open book in his hands. | ||
| And he kept looking at me. | ||
| And almost like saying, you know, come on, man. | ||
| We have all the things to do today. | ||
| Just, you know, hurry up. | ||
| And I looked at him. | ||
| You want to watch The Wire together? | ||
| And my mother then texted me saying, grab the book. | ||
| And I didn't mention the book to her. | ||
| And I dropped my phone and I placed my hands underneath the book and I blacked out. | ||
| And then they spoke to me. | ||
| And the man that was there was Michael. | ||
| And he had that book of knowledge. | ||
| I don't know what's the name of it, but it has a certain significance. | ||
| The Bible? | ||
| And he said, now we'll be sharing with you the history of space and time. | ||
| Cool. | ||
| And I was through the cosmos. | ||
| And that's when they told me about the Pleiadians, saying they have their own agenda. | ||
| Archangels hang out with Pleiadians. | ||
| Because you don't see, you have to see beyond them. | ||
| The archangels are wary of the Pleiadians. | ||
| Jesus. | ||
| So now, not only does he have the gift to see beyond the veil of death, not only is he someone who is welcomed by the leader, I guess, Zor of the Galactic Alliance, that tells him that it is your mission to wake up the starseeds, he now is dealing with... | ||
| Legit, biblical figures. | ||
| The archangel Michael is telling him all the knowledge of space and time. | ||
| So now he's omniscient. | ||
| To some extent. | ||
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Of course. | |
| He knows everything. | ||
| If Michael came and gave him the book of knowledge and told him the history of space and time, he knows everything. | ||
| Right. | ||
| He can astral travel, so he's pretty much omnipresent to a certain extent. | ||
| He can go anywhere at any time. | ||
| Is he omnipotent? | ||
| Probably not. | ||
| But he is really presenting a picture where he is very close to God. | ||
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Yeah. | |
| Yeah, yeah. | ||
| That is really troubling. | ||
| The Archangel Michael came to me and said, we got a vacancy. | ||
| God is out for a bit. | ||
| God's on vacation. | ||
| You want to step in? | ||
| You, Sebastian, noted asshole by your own story. | ||
| Good at selling overpriced honey. | ||
| We're gonna need you to take over godness for a while. | ||
| But at the same time, look, dude, you can scoff all you want. | ||
| Yes, I can. | ||
| Desperate times make heroes out of vulnerable people. | ||
| And this was last September, so. | ||
| He's clearly done a lot with his power in a short period of time. | ||
| I think he self-published a book. | ||
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Yeah. | |
| And he has this website. | ||
| That gets the lightworkers together. | ||
| Doing great. | ||
| So at the end there, he's talking about how the Pleiadians are suspicious. | ||
| They got their own agenda thing going on. | ||
| And it's interesting that Carrie doesn't buck back at that. | ||
| She's not mad about that, even though she loves the Pleiadians. | ||
| And according to Eddie Page, is one. | ||
| Although, all these fucking alignments are completely off. | ||
| They shift depending on who's talking to whom. | ||
| Right, right, right, right. | ||
| So Carrie starts rambling a little bit, and they talk about Atlantis. | ||
| Of course. | ||
| Eventually you're going to talk about Atlantis. | ||
| Sebastian doesn't know much about Atlantis, but it turns out he does believe that the Basque people are the descendants of Atlantis. | ||
| Of course. | ||
| And mysteriously he has some lineage in the Basque region. | ||
| Isn't that odd? | ||
| Yeah, weird. | ||
| Isn't that odd? | ||
| Weird. | ||
| So they talk about that. | ||
| Carrie gets into, again, the idea that Atlantis was destroyed by a controlled meteor by evil alien forces. | ||
| Right. | ||
| And then she talks about how our military is at war with the Kingdom of Mu, which still exists. | ||
| They exist underwater. | ||
| They have underwater bases. | ||
| The military is engaging with them. | ||
| The United States military? | ||
| You bet. | ||
| No wonder their budget is so huge. | ||
| They're engaged in a protracted war that's been going on, and Japan is probably on the side of Mu. | ||
| I don't know. | ||
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I have no idea. | |
| She doesn't get much into it, but she does throw those kernels of information out. | ||
| And I was like, I don't give a fuck. | ||
| So we get to the end here, and this is how they end their interview. | ||
| And I think it's kind of telling. | ||
| And I think that people will find value here, and certainly with your mission, if you... | ||
| We want to wake up starseeds. | ||
| Certainly, we want to wake up starseeds, so we have a similar mission. | ||
| Do we? | ||
| Of course. | ||
| This is not the only option. | ||
| Many people are doing it, and that's great. | ||
| We need to see more of this because we are definitely in this elevation process, and everybody feels the urgency and seeing a change already, and it's a positive change, despite what people say. | ||
| It's going to be leading to great things. | ||
| Wonderful. | ||
| All right. | ||
| Thank you, Sebastian. | ||
| Thank you for your service to humanity. | ||
| Your service to humanity. | ||
| Now, what I want to draw a sharp focus to here is they're talking about here this is their mission to wake up starseeds and what have you. | ||
| And from everything I can tell, Sebastian is the anti-Jessica Schaub. | ||
| He is the exact reverse. | ||
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Yeah. | |
| Inasmuch as there's very clear indications from his past. | ||
| the path he's on vis-a-vis believing these visions or whatever that he's clearly embellishing. | ||
| He has a family history in the same way that Jessica did with her dad trying to get her into this world. | ||
| He has a mom who believes she can heal people with her touch and that she came back from the dead and a grandma who is convinced that she has Vatican certified miracles and witnessed So they have very similar... | ||
| But the difference is that he's never going to get off this trail, or at least certainly hasn't yet. | ||
| Whereas Jessica saw through what she was doing and saw how it was harming people, Sebastian doesn't seem to be all that concerned with it. | ||
| That's kind of a bummer for his grandma, though, because she's only had two miracles. | ||
| Only? | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| Well, you've got to have three to get sainted, man. | ||
| She's still behind the game. | ||
| I don't think she's in the running for canonization. | ||
| You don't think so? | ||
| I don't think so. | ||
| All right. | ||
| But I mean, he has an ever-expanding, very grandiose life story that he's presenting, where he goes from, like I said, he goes from saying that I could see visions of inconsequential, localized things that may or may not happen, to now he's being... | ||
| Recruited by angels. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| So, like, this is only showing a pattern of escalation. | ||
| And it doesn't seem like it's going to get off track. | ||
| He is absolutely hurting people with this. | ||
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Oh, for sure. | |
| And he's hurting himself. | ||
| And clearly, he left his wife to go to Mount Shasta. | ||
| He's not helping the people around him. | ||
| Based on his story, too, he's blacking out a lot. | ||
| Oh, yeah. | ||
| And anytime he's in a stressful situation, he starts to see and hear voices. | ||
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Yeah. | |
| I would suggest... | ||
| Instead of going to see a hypnotherapist or doing transcendental meditation, maybe see a doctor. | ||
| How about transcendental medication? | ||
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Yeah. | |
| I don't know. | ||
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Nice. | |
| We can't diagnose shit on this podcast or anything like that, but there are strong indications that what we see has a natural path. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| There is explanations. | ||
| That meet sort of criteria along the way. | ||
| And that's, I mean, that's all. | ||
| This is just someone who refuses to analyze himself in the way that someone like Jessica Schaub, who could have gone down the road still to this day to present, like, I'm just trying to wake up star children. | ||
| Right. | ||
| Whatever. | ||
| He's not willing to do that because he wants to sell his book and run this operation where he recruits lightworkers. | ||
| So, as much as I empathize with him, he can also go fuck himself for this shit. | ||
| Because this is lame. | ||
| And he does need an editor. | ||
| Yeah, I told you. | ||
| Yeah, you were right on that one. | ||
| Everybody needs an editor, Dan. | ||
| I'm going on vacation. | ||
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I'm out of here. | |
| Fuck this noise. | ||
| I'll be back, as will you. | ||
| But until then, we have a website. | ||
| We do have a website. | ||
| It's knowledgefight.com. | ||
| Indeed. | ||
| We're on Twitter. | ||
| That's right. | ||
| Knowledge underscore fight. | ||
| We got a Facebook. | ||
| It's true. | ||
| Go home and tell your mother you're brilliant. | ||
| Yep. | ||
| You can download us on the iTunes. | ||
| That's right. | ||
| Leave a review. | ||
| You can do the whole thing. | ||
| Absolutely. | ||
| But one thing you can't do is put a fucking alien on a pedestal. | ||
| Don't. | ||
| Do it. | ||
| No, because I'll tell you what an alien's done. | ||
| What's that? | ||
| They have definitely probably technically killed at least one guy. | ||
| Well, I mean, yeah, if they're real in the conception of these people, yes, they have killed a lot of people. | ||
| A lot of guys. | ||
| They took out Atlantis. | ||
| Alex Jones only killed one technically probably. | ||
| So in this case, sort of a de-escalation. | ||
| Alex, you're on the good side of this one compared to fucking murderous aliens. | ||
| Andy in Kansas, you're on the air. | ||
| Thanks for holding. | ||
| Hello Alex, I'm a first time caller. | ||
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I'm a huge fan. | |
| I love your work. |