Today, Dan and Jordan try their best to keep track of what's going on in the present day with Alex Jones. In the aftermath of Roger Stone getting indicted, Alex unsurprisingly starts indicating that he has no interest in defending Trump or Roger anymore, and desperately wants to be who he used to be.
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| Andy in Kansas, you're on the air. | ||
| Thanks for holding. | ||
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Hello, Alex. | |
| I'm a first-time caller. | ||
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I'm a huge fan. | |
| I love your work. | ||
| I love you. | ||
| Hey, everybody. | ||
| Welcome back to Knowledge Fight. | ||
| I'm Dan. | ||
| I'm Jordan. | ||
| We're a couple dudes like to sit around, drink novelty beverages, and talk a wee bit about Alex Jones. | ||
| Oh, indeed we are, Dan. | ||
| Hi. | ||
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Dan? | |
| Yes. | ||
| Ready Player One sucks. | ||
| I've never seen it. | ||
| I've heard a lot of sniping about it on Twitter. | ||
| It's bad. | ||
| Cool, that's not a question. | ||
| It's bad. | ||
| I've noticed you never ask me about anything that I know about. | ||
| You know what I mean? | ||
| You ask vague questions about, like, have you ever done this? | ||
| Or something like that, but you never ask something I have legitimate expertise in. | ||
| What would you like? | ||
| You have legitimate expertise in so many things. | ||
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That's right. | |
| So many possibilities for questions. | ||
| I'm trying to give people a larger breadth of your life and your history. | ||
| Sure. | ||
| And also tell them that Ready Player One sucks. | ||
| I hear it's terrible. | ||
| I'll double down on it for you. | ||
| Oh, man. | ||
| I'll take your word. | ||
| It's so bad. | ||
| I'm not much of a movie guy. | ||
| I know that seems weird, but... | ||
| Considering you managed a movie theater for a long time? | ||
| I think that's a part of it, though. | ||
| Yeah, you soured on it. | ||
| Well, you kind of ruined the magic of it. | ||
| I think a lot of people have a real... | ||
| Even if you watch a movie at home... | ||
| It still sort of triggers the same parts of your brain where it's like you're going into the movie theater. | ||
| You're a kid. | ||
| You don't understand. | ||
| There's a projectionist getting paid $4 an hour up there who's probably high. | ||
| Fair. | ||
| Shout out to Lewis Ryan. | ||
| Love you, buddy. | ||
| When you work at a movie theater for long enough, it starts to become a nuisance. | ||
| You associate bad feelings with the theater itself. | ||
| Right. | ||
| And there's no magic to it. | ||
| It actually makes you mad. | ||
| Because the period that I lived through in movie theaters, too, was the time when it was transitioning from actual film to digital. | ||
| And so what they did was essentially get rid of an entire job. | ||
| You get rid of projectionists who are experts in dealing with this film and threading it through projectors and troubleshooting problems. | ||
| And then all of a sudden, all you have to do is hit a button. | ||
| And so, like, I even have that resentment inside me when I think about movies. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| It's a lot to unpack. | ||
| I just don't like to watch movies much. | ||
| I think projectionists had a union once upon a time. | ||
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They do. | |
| Now we're getting to a subject you know a lot about. | ||
| I do, because I tried to unionize my theater back in Missouri. | ||
| Oh, yeah? | ||
| I didn't get off the ground very far with it, because there were very serious, just like... | ||
| Don't do that. | ||
| We will just fire you really fast. | ||
| That sort of thing. | ||
| And I was like, I was probably like 1920 at the time or something. | ||
| And so I was like, I don't need the headache. | ||
| Yeah, no. | ||
| But there is a projectionist's union. | ||
| But generally speaking, those are people who work in different sort of, like not, they generally aren't at commercial movie theaters. | ||
| So they'll be the people who are like the projectionists for IMAX theaters and stuff like that. | ||
| Like much more specialized projectors and things like that. | ||
| We sort of flirted with the idea of trying to get into that union and just never got off the ground. | ||
| Never happened. | ||
| But I miss those days. | ||
| I loved working with film. | ||
| I loved it. | ||
| Anyway, I don't like movies much. | ||
| No, I understand. | ||
| My excuse is that they take up so much time, but then here I am sitting here listening to countless hours of this dickhole Alex Jones screaming. | ||
| If you watch a movie, you don't learn that much. | ||
| But from what I've done, I know a lot about Alex Jones. | ||
| And I only know about Ready Player One and how much it sucked. | ||
| I'm getting the sense that you recently watched it. | ||
| Yeah, I even tried to watch the Riff Trax version of it. | ||
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Didn't help? | |
| No, no. | ||
| That's too bad. | ||
| No, it's terrible. | ||
| Jordan, we've got a big show to go over today. | ||
| Big, big show! | ||
| Yeah! | ||
| January 27th through 29th, 2019. | ||
| I assume nothing important happened in those dates. | ||
| Groundbreaking stuff happens about halfway through the show. | ||
| I'm going to... | ||
| I declare myself a prophet, and we will see why. | ||
| Very interesting stuff. | ||
| But before we get to today's show, I've got to give some shout-outs to some new donors. | ||
| Hell yeah. | ||
| But I also need to make an apology. | ||
| A lot of people have messaged about the buttons that we offered, and I'm going to forward all those emails to our mailing department, which is you. | ||
| Which is me. | ||
| But because we have probably less buttons than the demand is, give us a little time on that. | ||
| Give us a little bit of time. | ||
| We will send them out. | ||
| I'll send all the buttons that I can. | ||
| Yeah, and we'll figure out how to make more and all that. | ||
| It'll be taken care of. | ||
| Give us a little time. | ||
| We're not good at this. | ||
| We're not. | ||
| It's really just you and me sitting in a room. | ||
| The two of us in a room. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| In your room. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| So also, like I said, got to give a shout out to some people who have joined up and are supporting the show. | ||
| We appreciate it very much. | ||
| First, I'd like to say thank you to Tom. | ||
| You are now a policy wonk. | ||
| I'm a policy wonk. | ||
| Thank you, Tom. | ||
| Hey, Tom Derridal. | ||
| Ding-dong-a-dillo. | ||
| Oh, is that from Ready Player One? | ||
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Tom Bombadillo! | |
| Is he in Ready Player One? | ||
| No! | ||
| Is he Player Two? | ||
| Okay. | ||
| Fellowship, buddy. | ||
| Next, Eden. | ||
| Thank you so much. | ||
| You are now a policy wonk. | ||
| I'm a policy wonk. | ||
| Thank you, Eden. | ||
| Thank you very much, Eden. | ||
| Next, Greg. | ||
| Thank you so much. | ||
| You are now a policy wonk. | ||
| I'm a policy wonk. | ||
| Thanks, Greg. | ||
| Next, and finally, Hans, I believe, but it's spelled H-A-N-N-E-S, which I enjoy. | ||
| Thank you so much. | ||
| You are now a policy wonk. | ||
| I'm a policy wonk. | ||
| Thank you, Hans. | ||
| Thank you, Hans. | ||
| I love you. | ||
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| Indeed you can. | ||
| So, Jordan, like I said, big old show today. | ||
| there's a trend forming and we saw on the day that Alex discovered that Roger Stone had been indicted right a pretty standard response from him in terms of like pretty low-key just like guys bullshit kind of thing very petty as well a little God's gonna get there. | ||
| Very standard, kind of Alex Jones response to a crisis. | ||
| Now, our show is going to pick up today on the 27th, which was Sunday, and go until Tuesday. | ||
| And I think during this period of time we will see a much more sincere response that Alex Jones has to Roger Stone being indicted. | ||
| And I think it will be very gratifying for everyone. | ||
| But we have to jump in on the 27th. | ||
| And on this clip, Alex gets a little bit Islamophobic, which is cool for him, I guess. | ||
| But also says that some globalists are getting murdered around the globe. | ||
| And he seems pretty thrilled about it. | ||
| Oh, no. | ||
| They're in the 12th, 13th week of the Yellow Vest. | ||
| Now that the police have shot people with real bullets, the French are getting more aggressive. | ||
| They're not like the Islamic hordes that just burn cars and rape women. | ||
| They're actually targeting leftist operations, government facilities, red light cameras, infrastructure. | ||
| And a lot of leftists and globalists have been falling down and hitting their heads. | ||
| Some people have been, I read about it, they've been finding some globalists hanging themselves. | ||
| I have no idea who would do something like that, but people are starting to kill. | ||
| And they're doing it in targeted ways. | ||
| And so that's where this is going. | ||
| That's not good. | ||
| That's not good. | ||
| Isn't that called terrorism? | ||
| Oh, you bet. | ||
| He's celebrating political murders. | ||
| Is he celebrating terrorism and fascism? | ||
| Now, I don't know if these are actual murders or anything, or he's just making this up or trying to conflate things. | ||
| I don't know. | ||
| I don't really care. | ||
| I mean, I care on some level, but in terms of tracing this down, I don't care about us covering it necessarily. | ||
| Right. | ||
| Outside of just saying that, oh, that's a clear demonstration of Alex being like, hey, people I politically disagree with are getting murdered and I'm fucking... | ||
| I'm pumped about it. | ||
| Love it! | ||
| He is thrilled. | ||
| So, in this next clip, he starts talking about some of his political concerns in this late January 2019 sphere, and it's interesting what he seems to be upset about. | ||
| Also, we first told you about this a few months ago, and we beat the drum. | ||
| President Pelosi, now that's mainstream headlines. | ||
| We've got the leader of the Black Caucus and others saying she's really the president. | ||
| We're going to remove Trump and put her in, and then, oh, guess what? | ||
| She can appoint her vice president? | ||
| Oh, Hillary! | ||
| Next one's news today. | ||
| Next year's news today. | ||
| What? | ||
| So, in this, Alex is citing a Breitbart article that's really just a collection of screenshotted tweets from people reacting to an article in BuzzFeed about the possibility of Pelosi becoming president. | ||
| Even the article that Alex is talking about and every right-thinking person doesn't really think that Washington politicians have much interest in an impeachment trial, especially one of Pence, when 2020 is fast approaching. | ||
| It's not like they can't be tried when they're out of office. | ||
| It's not like there's a deadline on it if there's crimes. | ||
| Also, according to the 25th Amendment, it is true that Pelosi would become president if Trump and Pence were kicked out of office or resigned at the same time. | ||
| But odds are that would never happen. | ||
| If they're both convicted of impeachment at the same time, that's one possibility. | ||
| But there's no chance that those trials could be carried out before the 2020 election. | ||
| There's also zero chance that they would ever resign at the same time for this reason. | ||
| If Trump resigns, Pence becomes president. | ||
| But Pelosi doesn't become vice president. | ||
| Pence appoints his new vice president, who then enters the presidential succession grid right at the top. | ||
| If they were going to both resign, they would stagger it. | ||
| So Pence's new VP would then ascend to the presidency, thus being able to pardon both of them. | ||
| There's zero gain in resigning simultaneously, and they would never, ever do it. | ||
| No, the only reason that that line of succession shit is there is if they both get hit by a meteor at the same time. | ||
| You know, it's not like, aha, we gotcha! | ||
| Now we gotta... | ||
| Also... | ||
| Look, even if that does happen, if Nancy Pelosi appoints Hillary Clinton as her vice president, I think I would be fine with impeaching her, too. | ||
| Clean house! | ||
| But there's no way that would ever happen. | ||
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Ever! | |
| Sure, the new president gets to appoint their vice president, but here's the rub. | ||
| That person has to be approved by majority votes in both houses of Congress. | ||
| You are never going to get Vice President Hillary Clinton through the Senate, and I would be shocked if it was even an easy path through the House, quite frankly. | ||
| This just isn't possible as a real-world scenario. | ||
| Alex just doesn't understand civics, and he's trying to bring up his old favorite enemy to make her relevant again. | ||
| Because I think that Alex Jones is starting to miss the days of yore. | ||
| I think they all are. | ||
| I think everyone is, but Alex is now starting to realize it's fun to make fun of Hillary. | ||
| Oh, it was so good. | ||
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They had such good times. | |
| It's fun when that was all I was doing. | ||
| Every day. | ||
| And almost immediately after that, he starts venting a little bit of frustration with his god king, Donald Trump. | ||
| So I'm going to say this right now to the president. | ||
| Mr. President? | ||
| You are not defending yourself. | ||
| You're not defending your family. | ||
| You're not defending this country. | ||
| In one critical area, and that's exercising your authority, but also your duty. | ||
| When we have a rogue deputy attorney general that outside of law set up a whole new system and appointed a special counsel. | ||
| Point of order, Rosenstein isn't in charge of that anymore. | ||
| That's acting attorney General Whitaker. | ||
| Unelected God Emperor, who himself helped cover up the crimes of the Clintons and others with the Russians and other foreign governments, and who himself helped deliver uranium to the Russians on the Stockholm-Sweden climate. | ||
| And who himself first made his bones using Whitey Bulger as a hitman in Boston. | ||
| And who then went on to just be the absolute mafia teeth of the white shoe boy, Robert Mueller. | ||
| He's the Luco Brazzi of the FBI. | ||
| He's the guy they send in to cover up 9-11. | ||
| He's the guy they send in. | ||
| I mean, he's the dirtiest of the dirty dirties. | ||
| He needs Lionel's thesaurus. | ||
| He's the dirtiest of the dirty dirties. | ||
| I don't know how dirty that is, but it sounds really dirty. | ||
| I don't really care about his complaints about Mueller, because they all seem to sort of rotate and gravitate around the idea that he gave the Russians uranium on the tarmac, and that's such hot bullshit. | ||
| So I hear that, and all I hear is Alex starting to be like, fucking Trump, you're not doing it. | ||
| You're not doing it. | ||
| And it's interesting. | ||
| It's interesting to hear that. | ||
| I know we've heard... | ||
| Sort of similar things in the past, but I wonder if that's going to develop. | ||
| I want to speak to Trump right now, and I want to use the words of Ronald Reagan. | ||
| Mr. Trump, tear down this wall. | ||
| Oh, shit, no. | ||
| Reverse. | ||
| Yeah, build up this wall! | ||
| So he's starting to feel a little bit like, Trump, you're not doing your job, you're not protecting the country, yourself and your family. | ||
| I don't feel great about it. | ||
| At the same time, Alex has another fire in his house he's got to put out, and that is the fact that Roger Stone got indicted. | ||
| And by this point, Alex has probably read that indictment, you know, if he can read. | ||
| Hopefully. | ||
| Somebody has hopefully read it to him. | ||
| I assume they released it as an audiobook. | ||
| Absolutely. | ||
| And so he's got to do a little bit of damage control for Roger, and so he tries, and I don't think this is a good defense. | ||
| And then they claim that Roger Stone lied when you read that indictment. | ||
| There's nothing there except Roger. | ||
| Acting like he was trying to get in the local college play of acting like a gangster. | ||
| I mean, there is some of that in there. | ||
| That's your angle? | ||
| I haven't really heard Roger act like that, but that's what the texts are. | ||
| Okay. | ||
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All right. | |
| Wow. | ||
| That's his angle. | ||
| Sure, sure. | ||
| The accusations of witness tampering are really just Roger auditioning for a play. | ||
| He's just acting like a gangster. | ||
| Hey, guess what? | ||
| Would you act like a gangster and threaten somebody who's a witness? | ||
| That's still threatening. | ||
| That's not acting like a gangster. | ||
| That is doing what gangsters do. | ||
| Do you know who is the best at acting like gangsters? | ||
| Gangsters. | ||
| Gangsters are. | ||
| You bet. | ||
| Because they do the things the gangsters do. | ||
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Roger Stone is the Luca Brazzi of... | |
| Texting Randy Credico violent things. | ||
| I think that's still a problem. | ||
| It is. | ||
| I don't think you understand. | ||
| It is. | ||
| That's a soft deflection. | ||
| It's real weak. | ||
| It almost gives you the sense that he just doesn't have it in him to really think about how to defend Roger and be like, fuck it. | ||
| It sounds so much like, Roger blew me off, so I guess he was acting. | ||
| I don't give a fuck. | ||
| Let's see him go down. | ||
| He's got a lot on his plate. | ||
| He's got a lot going on. | ||
| And he accidentally makes a couple of unforced errors on this episode, this 27th, this Sunday episode. | ||
| The first of them is that he completely bungles his... | ||
| Pretend the right and left paradigm is an illusion. | ||
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Yeah, yeah, yeah. | |
| He has shades of this all the time. | ||
| When he says globalist, he means Democrat, that sort of thing. | ||
| Or leftists. | ||
| Right. | ||
| He's above the left-right. | ||
| But he is happy when leftists are getting murdered. | ||
| Well, there's that. | ||
| But every single time he associates someone with the globalists, it's almost a one-to-one parallel with people who are sort of more on the liberal side. | ||
| And in this clip, he just basically says that every Republican who is part of the globalists are secretly Democrats. | ||
| So that's what's happened. | ||
| They brought in a bipartisan group. | ||
| But mainly Democrats, but bipartisan group of globalists. | ||
| The Bushes are really Democrats. | ||
| Sure. | ||
| They bring in these Rockefeller Republicans who are really Democrats, and they put their people in ever since 1989. | ||
| What? | ||
| They've really had their full coup over the country. | ||
| I thought it was FDR. | ||
| And then they all got lazy or whatever, and Trump died in 2016, and they freaked out. | ||
| I thought it was JFK. | ||
| And so the first thing Rosenstein did was appoint Robert Mueller, who'd brought him into power before that. | ||
| His timeline is so completely fucked in terms of, like, when these globalists took control of X, Y, or Z. Which was 1899. | ||
| 1492, when Columbus sailed the globalist blue. | ||
| If it rhymes, it's globalist, baby. | ||
| It's gotta be. | ||
| So, that's unfortunate. | ||
| The idea that, like, the Bushes, they're secretly Democrats. | ||
| And all these people who are, like, you know, they present as Republicans, they're actually Democrats because they were the globalists. | ||
| He just means non-fascists. | ||
| Well, it's interesting you see that. | ||
| Because listen to this next clip where he makes his second unforced error. | ||
| So I'm going to say it again very, very slowly. | ||
| I know the audience knows this, but we have to get this out to the president and everybody else. | ||
| The president's like, I just want to turn the economy back on, secure the border, increase the defense budget, but not have the Middle East, but have superior weapons, strength through peace. | ||
| Makes sense. | ||
| All these things that are classic John Wayne Americana that anybody that's pro-America should be for. | ||
| I mean, yeah, it's got a little bit of fascist icing to it, but it's not the communism and the globalism they're trying to get us. | ||
| And, you know, teaching five-year-olds how to be sexualized. | ||
| You see, the whole system against you. | ||
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What the fuck, Alex? | |
| And these people don't want that because they want power. | ||
| It's got a little bit of fascist icing. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
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Anything, any red-blooded American would be for. | |
| It's John Wayne style. | ||
| At least a little bit of fascist icing. | ||
| It's perfect John Wayne Americana with a thin veneer of fascism over it. | ||
| I feel like most of his career has been predicated on the idea of a little bit of fascism leads to a whole lot of it. | ||
| The problem is, generally speaking, when you have fascist icing, you put the little... | ||
| Joke candles of white nationalism on top. | ||
| And no matter how hard you blow, they just keep fucking lighting back up. | ||
| They're trick candles. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| So that is like, that to me is like, your head's not in the game, man. | ||
| I know it's Sunday and it's kind of just like shoot from the hip Sunday in 2019. | ||
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Yeah, yeah, yeah. | |
| Who gives a fuck? | ||
| Anyone listening doesn't have critical thinking skills. | ||
| But that's crazy to me. | ||
| What's your favorite flavor of fascist icing? | ||
| I think strawberry. | ||
| Strawberry. | ||
| Strawberry cream. | ||
| Strawberry cream, huh? | ||
| Sure. | ||
| I like me... | ||
| Rum or raisin? | ||
| Orange sickle, Dan. | ||
| There you go. | ||
| That's the way to go. | ||
| Real sad to see that, you know? | ||
| Real fucked up. | ||
| Sure, Trump is kind of a fascist. | ||
| It's too obvious. | ||
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So what? | |
| It's too obvious. | ||
| I know. | ||
| We've been calling him a fascist, rightly, for so long. | ||
| Then for him to just say it kind of makes me... | ||
| It's like when you're blackmailing somebody, and then they're just like, you know what, fuck it, I'm just gonna come out. | ||
| You lose your hold. | ||
| Right. | ||
| You lose your leverage. | ||
| So now it's just like, well, he's admitting he's a fascist, so what are we gonna do? | ||
| Well, we can learn about other things, but... | ||
| I mean, the way he's presenting it is classic Alex Jones. | ||
| It is this idea of like, sure, Trump is a little bit of a fairer, but at least he's not a communist. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| Which is, I mean, that's what he should be saying. | ||
| Like, if he were being more intellectually honest with his audience, he would have been saying stuff like that all along. | ||
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Yeah. | |
| Because where Alex lives and where he comes from is rampant. | ||
| Anti-communist propaganda, red-baiting nonsense from Cold War times. | ||
| Like, the people who are his spiritual predecessors, they would be fine with Americana fascism as opposed to the communist menace that they've built up because... | ||
| American fascism would still be a ruthless capitalist system. | ||
| Yeah, I would say plenty of the 1950s could be characterized by fascism. | ||
| A lot of business interests in America were totally fine with the idea of it. | ||
| Yeah, absolutely. | ||
| The Beat Generation literally said all the time, hey, you guys are fascists, and they weren't all wrong. | ||
| Right. | ||
| You know? | ||
| But what I hear from Alex here is a little bit of getting right with God, even. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| I know that might be a little bit too much to throw out there. | ||
| Let's see how this goes. | ||
| But I hear when he says that, like, it's easy to look at that as like a big fuck-up, and on some levels it definitely is. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| But you take another step back and it's like, oh, that's more honest. | ||
| That is something you wouldn't have said before because you have to deflect every single possible criticism of Trump. | ||
| But now, you're opening yourself up to the idea of like, yeah, there are some negative, real serious negative things. | ||
| It's interesting. | ||
| It's interesting that it happens. | ||
| Two days after Roger Stone gets fucking indicted. | ||
| That is. | ||
| He's a little bit thrown off. | ||
| But, I mean, if you want to go back to, you know, if you want to go back to Obama, you can say, ah, he was doing all this great stuff, but at the same time he was persecuting more whistleblowers under a spy act from 1910s. | ||
| He was deporting more people than the presidents before him. | ||
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Right. | |
| You know, like, I can be intellectually honest and say that he had, you know, his... | ||
| The difference is you haven't spent three years every day deflecting every criticism of Obama. | ||
| There you go. | ||
| Then once your best friend, who used to be Obama's chief advisor for 20 fucking years, gets indicted, you start saying, you know what, Obama was real fucked up with the drones. | ||
| Yeah, exactly. | ||
| That, to me, is monumental. | ||
| Exactly. | ||
| But it still could just be a slip-up. | ||
| On the Sunday show because he knows it's low stakes. | ||
| Well, you can often trip on some fascist icing. | ||
| If you've got the little container open, maybe you're eating it with your finger and you know you're not supposed to do that. | ||
| You drop it accidentally, you slip your foot on there, and then all of a sudden you believe that Trump is a good president. | ||
| That's just how it goes. | ||
| Yep. | ||
| So he has Roger on to do some deflecting and what have you at the end of this Sunday show. | ||
| And one of Alex's big criticisms is you're being too much about your own defense. | ||
| I need you to go on the offense. | ||
| I need you to be the Roger Stone that attacks people, and you're just saying you're innocent all the time, which, again, is a valid criticism. | ||
| But the first thing we're doing here right now is just you and Owen breaking down where you see all this going, because when I hear you on air and on other shows and on my own, you get into how you're innocent. | ||
| We all know that. | ||
| What about Uranium One? | ||
| What about Mueller being involved in it himself? | ||
| What about them involved in Russia again? | ||
| What about the stuff we talk about all the time? | ||
| What about how they're involved in giant cover-up? | ||
| For me, it's the hypocrisy that you've done nothing wrong, and these people are up to their eyeballs trying to overthrow an election, and then Trump sits there and doesn't do anything about it, Roger. | ||
| No, Alex, I think you're absolutely right. | ||
| That's the reason, of course, that they want to silence me, because I have been a... | ||
| Critic, I wrote a 5,000-word piece on Uranium One for the Infowars website. | ||
| And changed the world by doing so. | ||
| Well, Alex, I would like to do that, but unfortunately in a court of law, they would prove that I was a liar, and neither you nor I can have our bullshit said in law court. | ||
| Right. | ||
| You can't help me in my real world. | ||
| All I can do is do exactly what we've already said he's going to do, which is use Alex and his audience for money, which they get to in this next clip. | ||
| So I'm not going to fold. | ||
| That I can tell you. | ||
| But I am deeply concerned about having the resources to move forward. | ||
| Oh, let me bring that up. | ||
| Because if we all just say, hey, stowdefensefund.com, and I say, hey, folks, buy some products for your support. | ||
| If people don't support you and understand that you're a linchpin to their whole... | ||
| And that they're trying to break your will to make you bear false witness. | ||
| If people don't back you, then they're backing the globalists. | ||
| So stonedefensefund.com. | ||
| If they don't go to infowarsstore.com and get great products and great films and great books and great supplements and things they need, then the globalists will be able to shut us down. | ||
| It's been a beautiful thing that we've withstood this long. | ||
| But it shows that there aren't many men out there that were willing to actually stand up and put a fight up against Hillary. | ||
| We're being punished for Hillary being defeated. | ||
| We're being punished for being loyal Americans and helping kickstart the heart of America with a defibrillator. | ||
| And we've done that. | ||
| And the globalists are trying to put the genie back in the bottle. | ||
| It's critical we stay vocal. | ||
| Light-o, light-o, light-o! | ||
| As America fights for its life, that InfoWars be here. | ||
| And just as important as buying products, InfoWarsStore.com is, again, the articles, the videos, the live stream feeds, the local stations. | ||
| However you listen, tell people to tune in. | ||
| They just need it, man. | ||
| They need it. | ||
| It's so intense. | ||
| There's so much we need money. | ||
| And yeah, I guess you do. | ||
| I mean, more so than probably in the past. | ||
| At least there's an actual reason. | ||
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| Like, you are going to go to prison, probably. | ||
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A lot. | |
| A lot of prison. | ||
| And Alex is in, like, he's getting sued by everybody, and things are falling apart, his best friend's going to prison. | ||
| So, I mean, yeah, I understand the, like, the depressingness of it. | ||
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Right. | |
| But at the same time, I mean, what you see here is almost exactly what you'd expect, except for those little kernels. | ||
| The idea that Alex is more honestly talking about Trump having fascist tendencies. | ||
| The idea that he's expressing... | ||
| Sort of a frustration with Trump about not standing up for himself in the country. | ||
| Which you could only do by acting like a fascist. | ||
| And a frustration with Roger not defending or just defending himself as opposed to going on the attack. | ||
| Although his version of going on the attack is just doing exactly what they've been doing all the time. | ||
| Right. | ||
| Saying the same things like, oh, these are the guilty ones. | ||
| Why won't you deflect with me instead of saying that you're guilty or that you're innocent? | ||
| And so the Sunday show sort of, you know, it... | ||
| Peaked my interest, but it didn't really... | ||
| I had a hunch when I listened to it that we were in for something. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| But I didn't know quite what until I turned on the Monday show, and then things spiraled and my mind got blown. | ||
| Completely blown. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| What we are about to witness is Alex Jones trying to pretend that the last five years didn't happen. | ||
| Okay. | ||
| While still trying to deal with some of the issues of the present, he's going to pretend he's 2009 Alex all over again. | ||
| Really? | ||
| He's just going to let it go? | ||
| Do you mean 10 years? | ||
| Well, I mean, 2009 is such our framework of it. | ||
| But he's just trying to pretend, hey, I didn't spend all that time being Trump's bootlicker. | ||
| That's basically what he's going to do on this Monday episode, and it's completely crazy. | ||
| Really? | ||
| And I knew something was up. | ||
| As soon as we jump into the episode, and he gets back to... | ||
| Trying to cover the topics. | ||
| Trying to cover issues that are important to him. | ||
| What? | ||
| There's so many things bouncing around in my head before I go live that I haven't really decided what I was going to cover first. | ||
| But I thought before I got here today, I said, you know what? | ||
| I'm going to print up some autism statistics and I'm going to print up some numbers about how they've gone from five vaccines to over 100 they want you to take. | ||
| And I'm going to get into the fact that it's third world populations coming in. | ||
| That are spreading disease in this country. | ||
| And then they point at anti-vaxxers. | ||
| Even though if you do the research, it's not anti-vaxxers that are spreading. | ||
| Measles. | ||
| The measles, the mumps, the rubella. | ||
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Measles. | |
| And things like that. | ||
| Washington State. | ||
| I love it when Alex Jones says you do the research. | ||
| You do the research, Dan! | ||
| So he spends like an hour doing a TED Talk basically about vaccines. | ||
| And we'll get into a little bit of it as it goes along because, you know, I long for this version of Alex Jones that actually says things. | ||
| Right, right, right. | ||
| You miss it. | ||
| There's a part of me that's delighted by this. | ||
| So, this thing that he's saying, he's so full of shit trying to blame immigrants for disease outbreaks. | ||
| This is quite literally just white nationalist propaganda, and it's a narrative that's been used since time immemorial to demonize non-white populations as dangerous. | ||
| From a recent article in NBC News, quote, There's no evidence to show that migrants are spreading disease, said Dr. Paul Spiegel, who directs the Center for Humanitarian Health at Johns Hopkins School of Public Health. | ||
| Quote, That is a false argument that's used to keep migrants out. | ||
| The article goes on to discuss the tragic irony that the right wing attacks immigrants over health issues when the reality is that our healthcare system deeply relies on immigrants to run. | ||
| As a recent study published in the Journal of the American Medical Association points out, quote, 16% of healthcare workers in the U.S. were born somewhere else, including 29% of physicians, 16% of registered nurses, 20% of pharmacists, 24% of dentists, and 23% of nursing, psychiatric, and home healthcare aides. | ||
| Yep, that checks out. | ||
| This type of demonizing rhetoric is an essential piece of establishing an authoritarian system. | ||
| The scapegoating of the other is key. | ||
| And it's crucial that the argument be made that your brutality and cruelty are being done as defensive measures. | ||
| The Nazis created tons of propaganda about Jews being lice who spread typhus, which was something they were trying to protect the German people from. | ||
| Even prior to that, Jews were consistently and baselessly blamed for spreading the bubonic plague. | ||
| But even outside of authoritarian concerns, there's a serious trend in Western history to blame disease on something external, as if somehow admitting that we're all susceptible to illness would be admitting weakness or sin. | ||
| In the 1830s, Irish immigrants were scapegoated for causing cholera outbreaks. | ||
| Actually we did do that. | ||
| During the Renaissance period, the British called syphilis the French disease, although the French thought it was the Italians' fault, and the Italians pointed the finger at the French. | ||
| Bigotries are confirmed by blaming others in this way, and that's been done countless times throughout our history, from African Americans and syphilis to the homosexual community and HIV and AIDS. | ||
| This mentality, at best, is useless and a deterrent to progress, and at worst, is a tool employed by authoritarian rulers to define in-groups and out-groups and make certain that the in-group has a built... | ||
| And not just that, but it damages your, like, it's counterproductive for what it is you think that you're trying to do. | ||
| At the same time you're demonizing immigrants for spreading disease, you're spreading anti-vaxxer bullshit, which by your own, you know, you're only hurting the people that you think are immune from disease by virtue of whiteness. | ||
| A Milbank quarterly paper from 2002 discusses the, quote, persistent association of immigrants and disease in American society, and it features the headline, The Foreignness of Germs, which Alex likes headlines, so I just wanted to throw that out there. | ||
| That's nice. | ||
| They studied the period from the late 1800s to the present day and found, quote, anti-immigrant rhetoric and policy have often been framed by an explicitly medical language, one in which the line between perceived and actual threat is slippery and prone to hysteria and hyperbole. | ||
| They found that throughout our country's wonderful history, quote, policymakers have employed strikingly protean medical labels of exclusion, end quote, in order to use exaggerated medical concerns to exclude the people that they deemed objectionable. | ||
| This is the driving force behind this rhetoric and explains why the rhetoric persists, even long after improved health care all but eliminates the need to be concerned about the underlying diseases. | ||
| It's all a function of nativist tendencies towards exclusion. | ||
| Now, in the real world, the Journal of the American Medical Association has done a series of very in-depth studies about the connection between willful non-vaccination and outbreaks of vaccine-preventable diseases. | ||
| In one instance, they discussed 12 recent outbreaks of pertussis, for which they had access to detailed vaccination records for people involved in nine of the outbreaks. | ||
| In eight out of the nine outbreaks, they had information about... | ||
| The incidence of intentionally unvaccinated individuals was never lower than 59%, and in cases was as high as 93%. | ||
| In another, they discussed findings from 18 measles outbreaks, where they found that, of the cases they had vaccination records for, 70.6% of individuals involved had non-medical exemptions to vaccination, which is what Alex promotes. | ||
| Put very simply, what they found by tracing the epidemiology of transmission was that, quote, children with vaccine exemptions have a substantially greater risk for acquiring measles than fully vaccinated children. | ||
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| In one study, the risk was 35 times that of the vaccinated population. | ||
| And, quote, higher rates of vaccination exemption in a community are associated with greater measles incidences in that community. | ||
| They found literally the same thing about pertussis. | ||
| In another peer-reviewed study published in the Public Library of Science journal, they examined the areas of high rates of non-medical exemptions to vaccination. | ||
| Part of their findings involved discussion of the 2014 measles outbreak that originated at Disneyland, which led to 111 cases of the disease, and how Oakland, California is, suspiciously, a city with a high rate of non-medical exemptions to vaccination. | ||
| There are trends that you can track, and people have done it, and they found that places with higher incidence of these Non-medical exemptions always have more incidences of these preventable diseases. | ||
| It's nonsense. | ||
| There are definitely tons of studies that back this up, although there is no data to suggest that immigrants who are coming into the country are infecting people. | ||
| That is purely white nationalist, nativist. | ||
| I think it has so much to do, again, with movies and shit like that. | ||
| Because the movie narrative of those infectious diseases is always, you know, somebody got on a plane from blah, and then they showed up in your town and they just started spreading it around. | ||
| So yeah, you say, oh sure, 60% of non-vaccinated children, or 60% of the people who are hit by this measles outbreak are non-vaccinated children, but they... | ||
| Exactly. | ||
| But that's part of these studies, too. | ||
| Exactly. | ||
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They can find the generation of the contagion. | |
| Right, but you see so many movies, like Outbreak, or the story about the monkey that spread HIV. | ||
| That whole thing, that's always the narrative. | ||
| Right, and that's what those studies were talking about, the other ones. | ||
| Not the Journal of American Medicine one, but those ones that were looking into history, the idea of the foreignness of germs. | ||
| There is an obsession on our part to deem something external as giving things to us. | ||
| And I think part of that is based in some sort of religious tradition. | ||
| There's the idea that illness means that you did something bad and God is punishing you. | ||
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Right, right, right. | |
| I think that there is some vestigial part of our brains that that's screwed up that still affects some people that makes them think that... | ||
| In the same way as so many dumb people think that poverty means you're bad. | ||
| Same thing here with illness means you're bad. | ||
| You did something to deserve this. | ||
| Yes, and they are all in government now. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| And they are all advising the fucking president. | ||
| So Alex comes in with this and I'm like, all right, buddy. | ||
| You threw some meat on my plate, and it's been a while since... | ||
| He talks about it for an hour. | ||
| He talks about vaccines for a fucking hour. | ||
| It's almost unheard of in present day. | ||
| He's just wrong for an hour? | ||
| And he's not really talking about them vis-a-vis Trump. | ||
| He's talking about them in reference to his globalist enemies. | ||
| Not defending Trump by attacking them. | ||
| Attacking them for the sake of attacking them because they're giving you dirty vaccines. | ||
| That's a huge difference. | ||
| And he doesn't throw in, like, and this is the stuff Trump is trying to stop, and that's why we've got to support Trump and all that stuff. | ||
| Nope. | ||
| In fact, it's quite the opposite. | ||
| I don't want to just cover Trump or Roger Stone, and I like Roger. | ||
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Because both of them are going to jail. | |
| Of all the incredible stuff going on around the world, Iran on the edge of war with Israel, what's happening in Venezuela, what Soros saying, get ready for China to collapse, which I agree with, but that's like Soros is jumping on the bandwagon. | ||
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Boo. | |
| A lot of listeners love the show, but they also say, Alex, we want you to get back to secret society some, and the globalist, and the esoteric, and weather modification, because the last three years, it's been all Trump all the time. | ||
| Holy shit! | ||
| And that's because we've been in an epic civil war with the globalists. | ||
| It'll still be a lot of Trump here. | ||
| It's just that I don't want to cover every facet of everything Trump does. | ||
| You have, though. | ||
| That's been all you've done for a long time. | ||
| Isn't that nuts? | ||
| At any time. | ||
| At any time, Alex, you could have stopped. | ||
| If you didn't want to do it, you could have stopped. | ||
| He couldn't until Roger Stone was fucking indicted. | ||
| That's true. | ||
| Now Roger isn't in his ear every step of the way, or at the very least, he's not listening to Roger as much about what narratives he should or should not cover. | ||
| More or less. | ||
| That's my feeling that I get from this. | ||
| It's hard to prove that. | ||
| But, like, when Alex Jones went on air, when Trump bombed Syria, he's like, you know, he shoves ISIS up his dirty asshole, and what have you. | ||
| Still a highlight. | ||
| Great. | ||
| It was a great time. | ||
| Still a highlight. | ||
| Him fake slash real crying was delightful. | ||
| Still a highlight, yeah. | ||
| But I didn't think, and I believe that by the end of that episode that we did, I still... | ||
| I don't think that he's going to stick to this. | ||
| I'm listening to this, and I think he's done. | ||
| You think this is the move? | ||
| I think he's done with Trump. | ||
| This is the soft beginning of him getting off the Trump bandwagon. | ||
| Because, listen to this next clip, he's starting to realize that if they go down, he's going to go down unless something changes. | ||
| He realizes that his identity is intertwined with Roger Stone and Donald Trump, and that is not a good position to be in right now, because I think by Monday, he's read the fucking indictment, and he realizes, uh-oh, Roger Stone is going to prison. | ||
| So, in this next clip, he tries to disentangle himself, and it's very pathetic. | ||
| Because, you know, I've been trying to weigh all the good things that... | ||
| Trump has done versus the bad things that Trump has done. | ||
| Because Trump really is seen by the globalists as a mandate or a figurehead of nationalism and populism and capitalism's resurgence. | ||
| And if Trump can be destroyed, if Trump can be discredited, they believe that will start the process of retaking all these other countries that they've been controlling. | ||
| And putting into poverty and exploiting. | ||
| So it's important to defend Trump when he's doing the right thing. | ||
| It's important to keep his feet to the fire when he's not. | ||
| But there is the fact that letting everything be about Trump makes it to where if they are able to destroy him or cripple him, then somehow it cripples us. | ||
| And my identity is not President Trump. | ||
| My identity is not Roger Stone, because I support Roger. | ||
| I know he's being railroaded. | ||
| I support President Trump. | ||
| I think he's doing a great job overall. | ||
| I get frustrated with him. | ||
| But at the same time, my destiny is not bound to Trump, and it's not bound to Roger Stone. | ||
| Unfortunately, it is. | ||
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| Boop, boop, boop, boop, boop, boop, boop, boop, boop, boop. | ||
| To quote JoJo, this is too little, too late. | ||
| The timing of this is so fucking suspicious. | ||
| No, no! | ||
| Come on! | ||
| After Trump is up his dirty asshole, he had Roger to get him back on track, and now he knows, like, I can't rely on Roger. | ||
| I can't. | ||
| And I think that there's even other elements to that, which we'll get to a little bit later in the episode, but I think he's like, well, fuck it. | ||
| Roger, I talked to my lawyer, and even my shitty lawyer thinks you're going to jail, so I don't think I'm going to listen to you too much. | ||
| Not anymore. | ||
| Well, I mean, think about the predicament he's put himself in now, and I think that it's possible that he's waking up from a real, like, long bender, like a three-year bender with his Trump booze that he's been drinking. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| Thanks to Roger Stone, he's been filling his flagon over and over again. | ||
| And along the way, what has he done? | ||
| Like, now he has no Roger, because Roger's gone to prison, and until then, they aren't going to be able to conspire on anything. | ||
| He knows that Roger's phones are probably tapped. | ||
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Oh, yeah. | |
| All that sort of thing. | ||
| You know, he can't, he can't, you, he, they can't have the same relationship that they had before, whatever that relationship might have been. | ||
| But in the process, by following everything Roger wanted him to do, where is he? | ||
| He can't talk to Steve Pchenik anymore. | ||
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Nope. | |
| Steve's been banished from, uh, his world. | ||
| Which is fine. | ||
| Fine. | ||
| No one misses Steve. | ||
| Webster Tarpley has turned on him because he believes that Trump is an inspiring fascist. | ||
| And from 2016 on, Webster Tarpley, one of his other great sources, now won't talk to him anymore. | ||
| Wayne Madsen. | ||
| He always scrapes the fascist icing off of his cupcakes. | ||
| That's Webster Tarpley's fucking M.O. Wayne Madsen, the guy who brought us the Call Larry Nichols story, won't talk to Alex anymore because of the same concerns. | ||
| Because of his support of Trump. | ||
| he's lost employees jacari jackson apparently left over the the trend there some of his long-term employees didn't like the direction of him getting into trump and they left people like leanne mcadoo doesn't seem to be interested in this bullshit anymore like he's lost everything by following roger stone's advice to the point he's at and now he realizes where am i what have i given up I got David Knight and Owen fucking Schroyer hanging around. | ||
| I got nothing. | ||
| This sucks. | ||
| I can't imagine reading any historical precedent for what happens if you listen to Roger Stone for too long. | ||
| Whoa! | ||
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Whoa, whoa, whoa, whoa! | |
| Are you saying that after listening to Roger Stone for three years, I've got nothing left? | ||
| That's crazy. | ||
| That's nuts. | ||
| That's never happened before. | ||
| It hasn't happened to everybody. | ||
| So I found that to be really telling. | ||
| And, you know, him trying to be like, I am my own man. | ||
| I have my own identity that isn't Donald Trump, that isn't Roger Stone. | ||
| I thought that was fine. | ||
| You know, I thought it was interesting. | ||
| And I was still waiting to see where this narrative progressed to. | ||
| And then Alex said what he says in this next clip, and I almost fell out of my fucking chair. | ||
| Because if you listened to our show about three episodes back, I said he was going to say almost literally what he says. | ||
| We launched 1776 Part 2. We launched the global populist movement. | ||
| We launched... | ||
| The global nationalist movement and the belief that globalism would become so obviously oppressive and authoritarian that we should promote its nationalistic counterpart to it and we're definitely the detonator. | ||
| This part isn't all that shocking. | ||
| This is stuff you'd kind of expect him to say, but it's the prelude to the bomb. | ||
| In that overall resistance. | ||
| And so, that's the point. | ||
| That I'm making here is that Trump didn't bring us to the party. | ||
| We brought Trump to the party. | ||
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| I literally said that when Alex decides it's going to be an easy dodge for him, what he's going to say is, I didn't leave the party, Trump left the party. | ||
| Which is paraphrased. | ||
| He just says exactly what I said he was going to do. | ||
| God damn it. | ||
| I am scared of how... | ||
| God damn it, Dan. | ||
| You gotta. | ||
| We need you. | ||
| Go to a different country for a little while. | ||
| Sit on a beach. | ||
| It might be indicative to that he might be listening and we should get a consulting fee. | ||
| Yeah, I think that's not a bad idea. | ||
| Trump didn't bring us to the party. | ||
| We brought Trump to the party. | ||
| Absolutely. | ||
| That's a good way. | ||
| That's a good way to do this. | ||
| I think it's probably the smartest way to do it. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| I mean, the only other way to do it would be to... | ||
| Betray all of the principles that you've already betrayed, revealing that you actually believed the principles that you betrayed for Trump and Stump. | ||
| You'd have to burn down a lot or do it this way. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| And he's still going to have to do a controlled burn, but I think you get away a lot easier when you're like, oh no, we were the real thing all along, and Trump, you know, he's doing the same thing he did with the Tea Party. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| And that's exactly... | ||
| Where we got the idea that he might do this from. | ||
| Yep. | ||
| He co-opted Trump as long as he could, and now... | ||
| Much like Stone has the same fucking pattern of behavior whenever he gets caught in a lie, Alex. | ||
| Alex, whenever he needs to cut and run... | ||
| When the going gets tough, Alex gets a moving. | ||
| And pretending he was the real version of it all along, and everybody else... | ||
| The real world is faking it, and blah, blah, blah. | ||
| We brought Trump to this party, even though I told all of you at the very beginning that he was mobbed up and that you shouldn't trust him. | ||
| And then I inexplicably trusted him because of this asshole Roger Stone, who I also trusted, and it turns out he's been indicted. | ||
| Bad idea. | ||
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I shouldn't have done that. | |
| And I would continue to listen to him, but he's fighting a gag order, so I don't... | ||
| I don't even know if he's going to be on the show. | ||
| Yep, it's a mess. | ||
| It's a mess, but I think as much as I hate him and I think he sucks, I think Alex is doing the right thing here. | ||
| I don't think it's going to be enough to save him, but I think it's interesting. | ||
| It's an interesting strategy, and I respect it on one level, because it at least is a move. | ||
| It's a move that will have consequences, and that's... | ||
| That's more interesting than just staying the course and letting the whole thing fall apart. | ||
| It's also a move that says discretion is the better part of valor. | ||
| True. | ||
| But, you know, in this next clip, Alex says that he doesn't think that Trump is going down, but the way he's saying it makes me think that he thinks Trump is going down. | ||
| And so my statement now that This isn't all about Trump. | ||
| It's not because I think he's about to be brought down for sure. | ||
| It's so that people understand that if Trump is destroyed, it should not be a demoralizing effect because we're on the march and the globalists are on the run. | ||
| That is preemptive damage control. | ||
| Oh boy. | ||
| I think Alex is concerned. | ||
| So I don't think Trump is going down, but I do know two people who are going down intimately. | ||
| I know both of them well. | ||
| And they have told me the shit that they did and that Trump was directly involved with that shit. | ||
| So if by any chance they were to be indicted and then, oh, fuck. | ||
| Oh, no! | ||
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| It makes you think that he might be clean. | ||
| I don't know if he is. | ||
| Alex might be clean, but now he knows. | ||
| Of this stuff. | ||
| Yeah, of this stuff. | ||
| But now they've kind of given up. | ||
| Like, the fact that he's doing this at all, right after Roger's indicted, specifically whenever... | ||
| Near days after he goes a 180, maybe 170, a full 180. | ||
| When we're talking about the shit that Corsi was involved in as well, he knows both of these dudes. | ||
| Yep. | ||
| He's fucked. | ||
| He turned on Corsi because he thought that was a way that he could maintain Roger and everything. | ||
| But then once Roger got in trouble, it's like, fuck it. | ||
| I gotta change everything. | ||
| So, I don't know. | ||
| We'll see. | ||
| I think that he'll maintain all the shithead positions that he has in defense of Trump, but they'll no longer be used in service of defending Trump. | ||
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| So all the white nationalism, all the anti-immigrant stuff, all the transphobia, all that shit, that will all still be there, but it'll be... | ||
| Attacking the globalists as opposed to, you know, this is what Trump is fighting against. | ||
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| That sort of thing. | ||
| It's kind of an easy move to make, but... | ||
| Well, thank God he's still got Paul Joseph Watson. | ||
| Well, he might not. | ||
| We'll get to that in a little bit. | ||
| Okay. | ||
| All right. | ||
| Now I'm liking this. | ||
| So, at this point, Alex jumps back into his TED Talk about vaccines. | ||
| And some of this is a little bit reiterating what he said before, but it's worth it just to drive home the point that he says this repeatedly. | ||
| And I'm talking about vaccines. | ||
| Vaccines are simply a catch-all term for the government mandating something to be put, injected into your body. | ||
| Nope. | ||
| It's not just pathogens or attenuized viruses or dead bacteria that your body then learns how to fight. | ||
| That's a known technology. | ||
| No one's debating that it exists and has some attributes. | ||
| It's the whole precedent, setting the precedent to put things into your body. | ||
| That changed the very chemistry of not just your autoimmune system, but your brain and your organs itself. | ||
| And now the big push on every major channel is arrest people that don't vaccinate. | ||
| And they're claiming that there are increased pathogenic diseases and illnesses like measles in areas because of anti-vaxxing, when the studies don't really show that. | ||
| It's the illegal alien influxes. | ||
| So we've already addressed that a little bit. | ||
| That's just white nationalism. | ||
| But the push that people are making is not so much about arresting people who are anti-vaccination. | ||
| I believe the conversations are more about, you know, charging people with malpractice who advocate for not vaccinating children who then end up like the kid gets measles or, you know, God forbid, some other condition that's worse. | ||
| That would be a really interesting court case. | ||
| Look, you know what? | ||
| My kid got measles. | ||
| And that is, we traced back the outbreak of measles, and it comes back to your anti-vaxxer bullshit. | ||
| Is that grounds for a civil case? | ||
| Yeah, I don't know. | ||
| Do you know what I mean? | ||
| Feels like it would be, but I don't know. | ||
| It feels like it would be. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| So he's talking there about, like, vaccines or just, like, anything they put in your body or what have you. | ||
| And some of that defense is based on this next clip, and I think he doesn't know what he's talking about. | ||
| Now, you have to understand, I could talk... | ||
| For 20 hours, just about the different types of so-called vaccines. | ||
| How is it vaccine if it's a genetically engineered virus that only targets certain cells in the brain? | ||
| I thought a vaccine goes in and teaches the body what's bad from outside and how to destroy it. | ||
| This goes in and destroys things in your body. | ||
| So I think what he's talking about here is sort of just misunderstanding science. | ||
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Yeah, exactly, right? | |
| So very often in the development of medications, like in the research and trial phases, scientists find dual uses for what they're developing. | ||
| One big example of that is when they were developing the Zika vaccine, researchers found that the vaccine they were working on also showed a bunch of promise in the treatment of glioblastoma, a deadly brain cancer. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
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And so they started to pursue the possibility that this vaccine could be used to fight brain cancer. | |
| I'm not a scientist. | ||
| I don't really know if I can speak to a lot of the in-depth in the weeds aspects of that. | ||
| But from everything I've been able to look into, I think that that's what Alex is misrepresenting. | ||
| The idea that some vaccines end up having dual purpose. | ||
| Right. | ||
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Like the same way that Wellbutrin is an antidepressant and is also sold as a smoking cessation drug. | |
| Yeah. | ||
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Like there are, you know, it's not, it's, it's very common. | |
| The scientists who are working on it work on it, and they find that it, oh, shit, it helped that. | ||
| And then they're like, oh, shit, it helped that. | ||
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Fuck it. | |
| Let's do them both. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
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It's fine. | |
| Give them different names. | ||
| It's not like we need to stop. | ||
| We can't solve one problem. | ||
| No, no, no. | ||
| That's not what this is for. | ||
| Sure, it solves it, but that's not what this is for. | ||
| Fucking make the same thing. | ||
| Yeah, exactly. | ||
| So, look. | ||
| There's a lot of ads, a lot of pivots, a lot of I need money kind of stuff. | ||
| But man, the feeling is super different. | ||
| Super different. | ||
| In this next clip, Alex suggests that he's not plugging enough. | ||
| Let me say he is plugging plenty. | ||
| But he thinks that he's not plugging enough. | ||
| But the reason might surprise you. | ||
| Now folks, I didn't plug one time this hour. | ||
| And if we don't get financial support, we will shut down. | ||
| And part of me, maybe subconsciously, I don't plug enough to support us as I want to shut down. | ||
| I've been really thinking about, is that why I don't plug enough to actually fund the operation? | ||
| I need people to go to InfoWarsStore.com today. | ||
| I need them to check out all the amazing products. | ||
| We have TurboForce. | ||
| Great. | ||
| The thing that you say don't take is too extreme. | ||
| Don't take TurboForce. | ||
| Good. | ||
| But yeah, that's crazy. | ||
| Subconsciously, I want to quit so I don't plug enough. | ||
| You're plugging all the fucking time. | ||
| But it's interesting. | ||
| It's an interesting angle because I think he's trying to guilt the audience a little bit. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| I think that's less an existential crisis and more like a, you've got to make me be into this because everything is falling around me. | ||
| Everything's falling apart. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| It's kind of like subconsciously he's saying he subconsciously wants to quit because subconsciously he kind of wants to quit and subconsciously, still further, he thinks he's already done. | ||
| Well, he wants to quit talking about Trump all the time, for sure. | ||
| Right. | ||
| And I think that we've felt that for quite a while. | ||
| We've felt like an almost fatalistic element of his performance over the last months. | ||
| Like, it's just like, he doesn't seem to want to do it. | ||
| And so, if you take what he's saying there literally, it is kind of a, I don't want to do the show I've been doing. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| But I'm more than willing to do a show where I talk about vaccines for a fucking two hours. | ||
| Because he, spoiler alert. | ||
| He pivots the narrative at hour two, but still talks about vaccines, but in a different way. | ||
| Great. | ||
| So he'd be totally willing to do that. | ||
| That would be exciting again. | ||
| I bet he'd feel alive all over again. | ||
| Maybe he could shave that stupid beard and really be alive. | ||
| Again, really feel like he's fighting these fake enemies that he's got. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| As opposed to just playing defense for a dick that doesn't probably even talk to him anymore. | ||
| Oh, absolutely doesn't talk to him anymore. | ||
| So that is probably, like, a leftover feeling that he has from the last month. | ||
| It's the idea of, like, I don't want to do this show anymore. | ||
| Like, maybe subconsciously I haven't been super into it because I wake up every morning and I've got to lie for the president. | ||
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Yeah. | |
| And the president's friend. | ||
| And I'm no Sarah Huckabee Sanders. | ||
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No. | |
| I can't pull that shit off. | ||
| I'm not getting paid that much. | ||
| If he is listening to our show, then maybe he's just heard your intro to every present day episode we've done for the past three months where you're like, I didn't want to do this. | ||
| This is really boring. | ||
| I don't find the present day interesting at all. | ||
| When he said earlier... | ||
| You finally wore him down, Dan. | ||
| Maybe when he said earlier that a lot of listeners want me to go back. | ||
| I know! | ||
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Maybe he's just talking about me. | |
| And he's been listening to our 2009 episodes! | ||
| Could be. | ||
| Could be. | ||
| So the vaccines, you know, they're evil. | ||
| And there's a plan in play, right? | ||
| There's a plan. | ||
| And you might think that the plan is just get you sick with these various things that are going to shoot in you. | ||
| But no, no, no. | ||
| The plan that the globalists have is much deeper. | ||
| And in this next clip, it's 40 seconds long, and Alex bats for the bigotry cycle. | ||
| He hits every base. | ||
| He hits them all. | ||
| It's crazy. | ||
| Oh, wow. | ||
| But don't worry, they'll have runs for life and runs for autism and, you know, you'll go run a 10K and donate money as they build giant autism centers all over the country and we just get used to half of our boys not being able to talk. | ||
| That's the soft kill. | ||
| But boys are bad. | ||
| Boys start wars. | ||
| So if you can't get them to cut their genitals off or can't get them to take hormone blockers, can't get them to wear a dress, you just... | ||
| You just abort them or you kill them. | ||
| Oh, he's round and third! | ||
| Come on, you know, they're doing it for the greater peace of Earth. | ||
| And then bringing in all those great Muslims who know how to treat a girl. | ||
| It's out of here! | ||
| So you can see the vice grip, the takedown of the West, the globalist military plan to destroy us. | ||
| I don't think that... | ||
| I don't see the plan. | ||
| I don't... | ||
| I just see... | ||
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Wow. | |
| I just see... | ||
| Buckshot bigotry there. | ||
| Just throwing spaghetti at the wall. | ||
| I actually could count the single, the double, the triple, and the whole run. | ||
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That was a legit cycle. | |
| He's like, oh, you're going to do a run for autism, but you don't really know. | ||
| And that was just a bass knock that he had. | ||
| Oh, it's because all the immigrants are coming to double. | ||
| Oh, shit! | ||
| It's because all the men don't want to get their genitals cut off. | ||
| Transphobia, the triple. | ||
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Get out of there! | |
| Get through the three! | ||
| And guess how we're going to bring it home? | ||
| It's the Muslims! | ||
| Got to replace the boys who can't talk anymore with those great Muslims. | ||
| What the fuck, man? | ||
| Put it on the board! | ||
| Islam! | ||
| I heard that clip, but I was just sitting here like, wow. | ||
| I get what he's trying to say, but it's legitimately so insane. | ||
| Yeah, that is a whirlwind. | ||
| Now, that's pretty insane. | ||
| And it's all over the place. | ||
| His thoughts are tangential at best. | ||
| But when he starts the second hour, after the first hour... | ||
| I would say 85-90% of that is fucking vaccine talk. | ||
| And a lot of it's just boring anti-vax stuff. | ||
| So I brought out the parts that are interesting and we haven't covered before. | ||
| The other 10-15% is that I don't want to just talk about Trump anymore. | ||
| The thing that made me so angry is whenever he opened up, it was like three clips ago, he opens up and he's like, it's not just about all these attenuated viruses and all that stuff, because those have been shown to be ethical. | ||
| And then he just moves on and you're like, wait, wait, wait. | ||
| We'll actually get back to that thought. | ||
| Wait, what the fuck did you just say? | ||
| He gets back to that thought in a little bit and there's actually a really interesting place he's getting those ideas from. | ||
| Okay. | ||
| And actually, I think a lot of people don't fully understand some of that rhetoric. | ||
| And I apologize that I left you confused, but I did so because he's going to articulate it better later. | ||
| So that's most of the first hour. | ||
| It's pretty much vaccines and a little bit of, I don't want to just be tied to these guys who are going to prison. | ||
| I don't want to do that. | ||
| I want to keep making money. | ||
| So the second hour starts, and I'm like, alright, you can't keep talking about vaccines. | ||
| But he does, because there's breaking news that he's found that involves vaccines. | ||
| And the Mueller probe. | ||
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What? | |
| Whoa. | ||
| Where's the connection there? | ||
| I'm interested. | ||
| The very same people that have had their fingers controlling the investigations into Trump are in charge of the vaccines. | ||
| And see, the ruling class, it's all about how none of them take them. | ||
| None. | ||
| Guaranteed. | ||
| Guaranteed. | ||
| Robert Mueller and... | ||
| Rod Rosenstein, do not take vaccines. | ||
| And believe me, those two-star generals, they don't take them either. | ||
| But you know what? | ||
| Your son or daughter in the military does. | ||
| You know what? | ||
| They're going to try to force your kid to. | ||
| Because they like to walk around and see your lowered IQ and know all those cancer viruses have been implanted in you. | ||
| That soft kill. | ||
| And that to Rod Rosenstein, when he walks into Congress smiling like a little demon. | ||
| He's like, have I stunned him enough? | ||
| He's like a spider. | ||
| Have I stunned my enemy enough for them to not be able to get me? | ||
| He's like, you're all dead. | ||
| That's why he's always smiling like that, looking side to side. | ||
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Because he's like a snake slithering in. | |
| Gross. | ||
| So, Rod Rosenstein is somehow giving you vaccines. | ||
| When I heard that at the beginning of the second hour, I was like, well, Alex is starting to cook with gas now. | ||
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He's back. | |
| I would counter very quickly. | ||
| If Alex went on vacation to, let's say, the Amazon or something along those lines, he would be taking them malaria pills for fuck's sake. | ||
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Yeah. | |
| But do you understand, do you see what's going on, the subtle difference in that clip? | ||
| As opposed to it being using his narratives that he has built up over the years to help defend Trump. | ||
| He's using this investigation of Trump to inform and enforce his vaccine narrative. | ||
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Right. | |
| It's taking the path, it's the same street. | ||
| But going the opposite direction down it, which is, I think, important. | ||
| Well, he's not tying these deep state people trying to destroy Trump from the inside. | ||
| He's going from this, like, they're... | ||
| They're doing it not just to destroy Trump, but to destroy all of you. | ||
| And who gives a shit if Trump gets destroyed? | ||
| Because they're still there giving you all those vaccines. | ||
| It's secondary now. | ||
| Exactly. | ||
| Whereas before, it would be primary. | ||
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Absolutely. | |
| And I know it's a fine point, but I think it's important when considered in the larger context of the things that he's saying and the slight but important variations of his narratives and language. | ||
| For sure. | ||
| And I think it's something that would be very easy to miss if you didn't spend all of your time studying Alex Jones. | ||
| Which I accept and understand is my bad. | ||
| Or listening to our show. | ||
| So I heard that and I was like, hey man, okay, Rod Rosenstein, right? | ||
| He's doing this to us. | ||
| He's doing the vaccines. | ||
| That's wild. | ||
| But I still didn't have any specifics. | ||
| I didn't understand what Alex was talking about. | ||
| Doesn't that kind of suggest, though, that Sessions was doing it first? | ||
| Since Rod Rosenstein... | ||
| No, it's always the deputy. | ||
| No, but Rod Rosenstein was the deputy attorney general while the... | ||
| Mueller probe was set up. | ||
| Alex turned on Sessions long ago. | ||
| Oh, okay. | ||
| So let's toss Sessions in there, too. | ||
| Sessions is at best senile and at worst evil. | ||
| Like, Alex hated Sessions. | ||
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| Then we're good. | ||
| Yeah, absolutely. | ||
| Sessions was the first guy... | ||
| That Alex loved in the Trump administration because he liked Sessions before Trump. | ||
| And then he recused himself. | ||
| And that's why he... | ||
| Well, even then, Alex was still a little bit on the fence about him. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| But then as time went on, Roger convinced him that Sessions was evil. | ||
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| And so he turned on this senator that he loved. | ||
| He loved Jeff Sessions. | ||
| In the 2014-2015 time. | ||
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Oh yeah, absolutely. | |
| So it's interesting. | ||
| All the betrayals, all of the cutting people loose that's happened in Alex's life because of Roger Stone, now it's so interesting to look at. | ||
| I know that I've already brought up all those names, but the ashes that are left of Alex's team. | ||
| It's kind of ironic that he's pulling a midnight massacre whilst the guy who worked and loved Nixon is going to prison. | ||
| It's weird. | ||
| So, I didn't know what he was talking about about Rosenstein because I have, like, I have no idea what connection he has to vaccines, quite frankly. | ||
| I think he's just the deputy attorney general. | ||
| I bet he was vaccinated, though. | ||
| Probably. | ||
| I would bet you anything. | ||
| I would bet you anything he got his vaccines growing up. | ||
| So, in this next clip, Alex spells it out for me. | ||
| And, man, this is weak. | ||
| Let me give you the big picture here, ladies and gentlemen. | ||
| Guess who sits over the vaccine damage court? | ||
| The secret court. | ||
| It's not secret. | ||
| There's a secret court? | ||
| It's not secret. | ||
| How does he know about it? | ||
| It's secret. | ||
| And who doesn't? | ||
| Once they get you into their secret court so that you don't go file lawsuits in other courts. | ||
| Isn't that called arbitration? | ||
| Because you can have liability protection unless it's being done fraudulently, and then the liability protection and the sovereign immunity is stripped. | ||
| So the sovereign immunity of the U.S. government is saying, we're going to make you go to a secret court that you've got to go through for years. | ||
| And then we decide, once you've waived your rights, if you're going to be paid any damages. | ||
| Guess who is behind it? | ||
| Guess who is behind it? | ||
| Mueller? | ||
| Colonel Don DeGrand Prix. | ||
| Oh, goddammit! | ||
| Is he alive? | ||
| No, he's dead. | ||
| Damn it! | ||
| You're doing great work. | ||
| Rod Rosenstein's sister runs Vaccines for Children's program at the CDC. | ||
| Does DC Swamp Connection ever... | ||
| So, yeah, look. | ||
| Smoking gun, Dan! | ||
| Alex is playing super fast and loose here, trying to present the idea that Rod Rosenstein's sister, Dr. Nancy Messonnier, that's probably, it's probably Messonnier or something like that. | ||
| Whatever. | ||
| It appears to be France. | ||
| You had a fun time saying it. | ||
| Messonnier, that she's in charge of or has anything to do with these vaccine courts. | ||
| Alex is trying to present that image. | ||
| She does not. | ||
| In that clip we just heard, Alex is just reading a tweet posted by Wayne Allen Root, which links to a CDC website about the Vaccines for Children program, which is a part of the CDC's mission to provide free vaccines for children in low-income families. | ||
| This page in no way proves that Rosenstein's sister is in charge of this program, although maybe she is involved. | ||
| It's entirely possible. | ||
| However, it's important to point out that the Vaccines for Children program has literally nothing to do with the vaccine court. | ||
| Also, fun fact, Wayne Allen Root is a con man who wrote a book in 1989 about how to make money betting on sports and followed it up with books in 2004 and 2008 about how to win money and all sorts of gambling. | ||
| After Obama was elected, he took his grift to the political world and started writing about how Obama wasn't a citizen, didn't go to Colombia, and was a secret Marxist-Muslim. | ||
| He's since endorsed every horseshit conspiracy, from the Seth Rich bullshit to the Nazis at Charlottesville being paid actors and all that stuff. | ||
| He also recently claimed that Mueller's investigation into Trump is only happening because Mueller has a small dick, and he's jealous of Trump's very large dick. | ||
| Suffice it to say, Root is a fucking idiot. | ||
| Alex is just reading a tweet. | ||
| I didn't know more about Trump's dick than I needed to. | ||
| I would prefer that. | ||
| I don't... | ||
| I don't want to know anything about Mueller's dick either. | ||
| Right. | ||
| Let's let it go. | ||
| So what Alex is reading off of here and his whole information is this Wayne Allen Root tweet that links to the CDC page for the Vaccines for Children program, which isn't the vaccine court issue at all. | ||
| He doesn't have a story about this. | ||
| He doesn't have any reporting. | ||
| And it's word for word. | ||
| He's literally reading this tweet. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| It's nothing. | ||
| It's a zero. | ||
| So Dr. Messonnier is the director for the National Center for Immunization and Respiratory Diseases, which is a branch of the Centers for Disease Control. | ||
| In her time there, she's provided support and leadership towards a lot of initiatives to take care of preventable diseases in the third world, and has recently been on the forefront of working on the rising incidence of acute flaccid myelitis, or ATF, the condition that's similar to polio but isn't polio, that Alex claims with no evidence. | ||
| Is secretly polio and is being given to you by vaccines? | ||
| Of course. | ||
| The vaccine court that Alex is talking about, or the National Vaccine Injury Compensation Program, was created under the umbrella of the Department of Health and Human Services, the same department that contains the CDC but isn't run by the CDC. | ||
| Government departments are often pretty rangy in terms of their operations, and just because two things are in the same department and both have to do with vaccines doesn't mean they're run by the same people. | ||
| I can find zero evidence that Dr. Messonnier's involvement in the vaccine court is real, and even if she were involved, I can find zero reason to care. | ||
| As we've discussed already, the vaccine courts were not established to be a secret way to sweep dangers of vaccines under the rug and hide them from public scrutiny. | ||
| They were set up to be better equipped to help the subset of people who do unfortunately suffer from the potential side effects of very important medicines. | ||
| They did this. | ||
| They made it simpler for them to get payments for these side effects that they suffer from because these families did deserve some consideration and payout, but they'd never be able to get them in a real courtroom. | ||
| It would just be impossible. | ||
| Absolutely not. | ||
| To a certain extent, side effects are inevitable in pretty much every medication imaginable. | ||
| Human biology is infinitely complex. | ||
| So the prospect of ever releasing A study in 2017 showed that taking an aspirin daily was linked to more than 3,000 deaths a year, mostly due to the blood-thinning side effect. | ||
| This is the case for a whole bunch of medications, but they serve important purposes. | ||
| In the case of aspirin, dramatically reducing the risk of heart attack in older people, so the goal is to mitigate the risk of the side effect while preserving the benefit of the main purpose of the medication. | ||
| This is how sane people look at vaccines. | ||
| No one is saying that they're completely safe, just that the incidence of side effects are not commensurate with the benefit of us not having to deal with extinction-level threats from preventable diseases anymore. | ||
| It's the greater good argument. | ||
| It's not even just the greater good argument. | ||
| I mean, it is utilitarian to some extent, but it's not a hard choice, even. | ||
| No, no, no, no. | ||
| It's not a 5-4 decision like the Supreme Court. | ||
| It's a 98-2 decision. | ||
| And not just that, but the very fact that the vaccine court exists in the first place is evidence that people give a shit. | ||
| Yep. | ||
| You know, like, again... | ||
| This would never actually win in a court. | ||
| Nope. | ||
| The burden of proof would be way too high. | ||
| It would be insanely high. | ||
| That's the reason they created it. | ||
| So they realized it's inevitable that, of course, this is going to happen. | ||
| These people do deserve some sort of compensation for it. | ||
| So there's either we can completely abandon them to the court system where they will get nothing, or we can discontinue these drugs, which will lead to infinitely more problems. | ||
| Or we could create a special thing where it's like, we get it. | ||
| It sucks. | ||
| I hate that it happened to you. | ||
| I hate that some people get struck by lightning, but we're here to help in some way. | ||
| That's what we want to do. | ||
| The vaccine court was set up knowing damn well that the people who bring cases to it would never be able to prove that the vaccine in question definitively caused their child's illness or death. | ||
| So, they've adjusted the standard of evidence required to successfully petition your case. | ||
| All the people who bring cases to the vaccine court, all they're required to do is present a theory connecting the vaccine to the consequence, show an appropriate or an approximate timeline that links the two and show that there's not another plausible biological reason the injury or death happened. | ||
| It's a very low standard of proof, and it's intentionally that way because they want to support the people who experience any possible side effects without forcing them to actually prove any scientific causation, which they could never do. | ||
| Even in this world designed to provide relief to people who have been hurt by vaccines, the argument Alex puts forth doesn't meet their burden of proof. | ||
| The easy burden of proof. | ||
| And Rob Rosenstein's sister has nothing to do with that court. | ||
| The court is overseen by nine members of the Advisory Commission on Childhood Vaccines. | ||
| Three of those members are from the general public, with the requirement that two be legal parents or guardians of children who have been affected by vaccine side effects. | ||
| Holy shit, that's brilliant! | ||
| Three of the other members must be attorneys with relevant specialties for the court. | ||
| You know, they have to have experience in medical cases. | ||
| You definitely can't be Alex. | ||
| The last three are health professionals appointed by the Secretary of Health and Human Services who are specifically required not to be previous to being on this advisory board employees of the U.S. government. | ||
| A requirement that Dr. Messonnier definitely would fail to achieve. | ||
| Because she works for the CDC. | ||
| Yeah, that's right. | ||
| And the CDC is part of the government. | ||
| Oh, I get it, Dan. | ||
| She couldn't be on this board. | ||
| She literally could not have anything to do with this. | ||
| Nope. | ||
| ... | ||
| vaccine courts, but the director of the National Institutes of Health, the Assistant Secretary of Health and Human Services, the director of the CDC, and the commissioner of the FDA are non-voting observational members of the committee. | ||
| Affect what happens, but they can be a part of the discussion. | ||
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| Dr. Messonnier is none of those things. | ||
| Alex is profoundly lazy, super dumb, and reporting this based entirely on a tweet from Wayne Allen Root. | ||
| Who gives a shit? | ||
| It is a fun coincidence for him, though. | ||
| It's super nice. | ||
| But it's not even a coincidence. | ||
| No, no, no, no. | ||
| I mean, just the fact that anybody... | ||
| Words be true. | ||
| Crazy coincidence. | ||
| Oh, no, no. | ||
| Crazy coincidence. | ||
| I just mean the fact that... | ||
| Anybody, like, Rod Rosenstein's sister works in the CDC. | ||
| That works great for him. | ||
| It doesn't matter if it has any material effect. | ||
| It's just like, she could be a paralegal or something like that. | ||
| You know, it's always possible that she's going to... | ||
| But he has to shoot the moon by saying she's in charge of the courts. | ||
| She owns a grocery store, you know? | ||
| Like, it could be anything. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| But she's there in the CDC. | ||
| That works perfect. | ||
| But I honestly think that the reason he's going too far with this and swinging a little too hard is he's not used to this. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| He's getting back into the... | ||
| Yeah, that's true. | ||
| Like, working his narratives, working that muscle. | ||
| Right, right, right. | ||
| That connecting A to B to C and all that stuff. | ||
| Like, he doesn't do that much anymore. | ||
| It's all Trump shit. | ||
| He's been writing for a TV show for a year, but he hasn't gotten any stage time. | ||
| It's going to take a while to get back into that comedy swing. | ||
| Yeah, yeah, yeah. | ||
| He's slow. | ||
| Also, fun fact, if you fit any of the qualifications, like if you're a lawyer who has medical experience, if you're a parent of somebody who the child has been affected by vaccines, or if you are a healthcare professional who doesn't work for the government, you can apply to be on the advisory commission. | ||
| Like, you can. | ||
| I found the application in two minutes. | ||
| It's super easy. | ||
| Commissioners serve three-year terms, so there might be a little bit of a wait, but it's super easy for you to do. | ||
| And I do notice that the people who... | ||
| Who complained the most about vaccines never seem to talk about that, and I don't think that they're applying. | ||
| But I think they'd probably be rejected based on their views. | ||
| Yeah, yeah, of course. | ||
| If you were all three, do you just get to be the court by yourself? | ||
| Do you get to occupy... | ||
| You count for three votes. | ||
| Yeah, you count for three votes, right? | ||
| Yep. | ||
| So Alex is full of shit on this, but he talks about it some more, and then accuses Rosenstein, Mueller, and some other people of being spiders. | ||
| So remember, Rod Rosenstein pays out billions of dollars via his sister of your money to people whose daughters died from Gardasil or got paralyzed. | ||
| But then they get up on the news and have every news channel say, there's no adverse reactions, it's a conspiracy theory. | ||
| But no amount of big, capped Mr. Ed teeth will ever stop Rosenstein from being someone that God is going to punish. | ||
| Vengeance belongs to the Lord. | ||
| But now you understand the type of true bottom-feeding spiders we're dealing with. | ||
| These aren't even the spider leadership. | ||
| They sneak around. | ||
| They capture you in a web. | ||
| They come in. | ||
| They inject you. | ||
| They liquefy you while you're tortured. | ||
| Then they suck you dry. | ||
| And they sing a song to you while they do it. | ||
| Like spiders. | ||
| Yum-yum time. | ||
| It's yum-yum time. | ||
| It's yum-yum time. | ||
| I reject... | ||
| Look. | ||
| Anything from these people. | ||
| Anything from these people. | ||
| I'm not a... | ||
| Scientists are not a specialist in this. | ||
| And if there is a conversation to be had, I would love to have it with the scientists. | ||
| But for many of these people, the moment they say the word Gardasil, all you are doing is being a misogynist piece of shit. | ||
| That is what you are doing. | ||
| It seems like that's a lot of the function of whenever they bring it up. | ||
| But under the auspices and under the sort of mask, the costume of concern for women. | ||
| Yeah, yeah, yeah. | ||
| No, no, no, of course. | ||
| I don't... | ||
| That's what Gardasil complaints are. | ||
| There's some of that in there. | ||
| But you are not taking into account that when spiders eat you, they sing, it's yum yum time. | ||
| It is yum yum time, though. | ||
| I have always assumed that. | ||
| That is an important piece of information that Alex is bringing to the table that we didn't know before. | ||
| Did you research that? | ||
| I did. | ||
| And it's true. | ||
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All spiders sing yum yum time. | |
| Any time a scientist, a spider scientist, starts talking about how there's that, oh, because of the rising flood levels, all these spiders create a superweb in this tree, and we've studied the frequency vibrations they make whenever they make a kill and start to eat. | ||
| And it's yum-yum time. | ||
| I didn't know that, but it's physically proven. | ||
| Here's what's great about this. | ||
| In the same way that we didn't understand that Baby Shark, ba-ba-ba-ba-ba-ba, we didn't realize that was a real thing. | ||
| I'm guessing yum-yum time is probably another thing that people who have kids know. | ||
| Because Alex has got a baby. | ||
| Yeah, that's true. | ||
| So that is some sort of thing that we just have no idea. | ||
| It's like millions of views on YouTube, yum-yum time, and I just think it's some stupid thing Alex is saying about spiders. | ||
| I guarantee that's what's going on. | ||
| Yum, yum. | ||
| Yum, yum. | ||
| Your time. | ||
| He's just, like, had to watch the kid for a couple days ago. | ||
| Yum, yum time on the mind. | ||
| Anyway, in this next clip, Alex doubles down, says that Rosenstein doesn't take vaccines. | ||
| He's sure of it. | ||
| And then we get to that issue that I told you to put a pin in. | ||
| Right. | ||
| And I bet you all the tea in India. | ||
| I bet you all the cows in Texas. | ||
| I bet you all the fish in the sea. | ||
| Which seat? | ||
| That Mr. Rosenstein and his sister don't take any vaccines. | ||
| Remember the headlines a few years ago? | ||
| German elite take clean vaccines. | ||
| Chinese communist leaders take clean vaccines. | ||
| Oh, vaccines can be real. | ||
| You can get immunity from them. | ||
| They can be good. | ||
| But see, they're putting other things in them. | ||
| They've been caught doing it. | ||
| We've gone from one 36, 37 years ago person in 30... | ||
| 1,000 having autism to 1 in 58. So hold on to some of these ideas because we'll get to them. | ||
| But really keep in mind that he said a couple of years ago there were articles about clean vaccines. | ||
| Why is that important? | ||
| Because there's no such thing as a, quote, clean vaccine. | ||
| That's not something that exists. | ||
| It's not a thing. | ||
| The idea that such a thing exists has been pushed for one explicit reason, to imply that other vaccines are dirty and intentionally dirty. | ||
| The concept of a clean vaccine was heavily promoted by bot armies traced to Russian operations, according to Reuters, citing a tweet that read, The accounts posting both pro and anti-vax messages, such as those talking about clean vaccines, designed to agitate people on both sides of the issue, were run by individuals at the Internet Research Agency, which was indicted by Mueller's investigation in February 2018. | ||
| These messages that they were putting out from these bot accounts in order to agitate people on both sides of the vaccine quote-unquote debate... | ||
| Debates. | ||
| Debates. | ||
| They were during the time frame that Alex is talking about. | ||
| Do you remember when they were talking about clean vaccines? | ||
| It's almost certain that it was a result of this bot influence. | ||
| Because clean vaccines aren't real. | ||
| So, an article about vaccines from the Vaccine Reaction blog, they had a blog post about Mark Zuckerberg getting his kids vaccinated in February 2016, provoked this response from a commenter. | ||
| Quote, what did happen to Paul Walker? | ||
| The Darknet says he found out critical information about the differences between dirty and clean vaccines. | ||
| Hold on, what? | ||
| He was going to blow the whistle and was immediately removed from the picture. | ||
| Wait, was he too fast to vaccinated? | ||
| Yes. | ||
| So, this guy is bringing up dark web stuff and clean vaccines being responsible for Paul Walker's death. | ||
| So, you get this. | ||
| These are the places that that term sort of pops up on the internet. | ||
| Whether it's through, you know, internet research agency sock puppet accounts or weirdos talking about Paul Walker's conspiracy death. | ||
| I'm really emotionally affected by Paul Walker's death. | ||
| And I'm also really an anti-vaxxer. | ||
| How do I combine these two? | ||
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| Dark web! | ||
| One of the intrinsic issues we're going to run into here is that Alex intentionally doesn't ever really say what he thinks a clean vaccine actually is. | ||
| And it can mean a whole bunch of different things depending on who you ask. | ||
| The term clean vaccine was used in 2011 to describe a vaccine that was being studied by researchers at the Biodesign Institute at Arizona State University. | ||
| They used that term not to differentiate it from other unclean vaccines, but because they were attempting a new procedure to create this vaccine. | ||
| They're trying to use Salmonella as a, quote, cargo ship to deliver the vaccine to the entirety of a person's immune system, since Salmonella stimulates a response from the entire body, different systems that other cargo ships wouldn't stimulate. | ||
| God damn it! | ||
| Those people are fucking smart! | ||
| Why does anybody listen to anti-vaxxers? | ||
| Because it's complicated. | ||
| They were just... | ||
| Do you hear what you just said? | ||
| I do. | ||
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That's... | |
| Brilliant! | ||
| That's genius! | ||
| Like, let's take this thing that's been killing everybody, we know how it kills, and what if we neutered it and put a vaccine in there? | ||
| That's genius! | ||
| And you're listening to Jenny fucking McCarthy! | ||
| That's exactly right. | ||
| I mean, it was referred to in an article about this research as a clean vaccine because they had to clean or detoxify the salmonella that was being used in order to achieve the desired result. | ||
| So genius! | ||
| I'm not sure where this research ended up or even if it made it through the further testing phases, but it's irrelevant because it's the exact opposite of what Alex is trying to present is what a clean vaccine means. | ||
| He's specifically using the term in a way that really only lines up with the idea pushed and promoted by these Russian troll farms, which is probably a sign... | ||
| That Alex doesn't do very deep research into the things he believes. | ||
| A lot of these fears trace back to the 1800s, when vaccines were new, and people were rightfully concerned about them because science hadn't evolved past the level of the late 1800s. | ||
| Paid advertisements lambasted vaccines in the newspaper, such as this ad from Nebraska's publication, The Commoner, from 1919. | ||
| Quote, What profiteth your babies if the God-made blood is periodically tainted with pus vaccine? | ||
| These concerns were legitimate in the late 1800s and early 1900s because many vaccines back then were unsafe, and regulating their production was nearly impossible. | ||
| So there were way more instances of contamination. | ||
| Taking that mentality from about 100 years ago... | ||
| Yeah, because half the vaccine was like, let's grab some cowpox and put it in a hand and then slap it on you. | ||
| But still worked better than a lot of other things. | ||
| It still worked better than so many other things! | ||
| But taking that mentality from about 100 years ago and thinking that you're in the same circumstances now is really fucking stupid. | ||
| A 2014 study published by the Yale Journal of Biology and Medicine reviewed articles and ads about vaccination in papers from 1915 to 1922 in an attempt to understand the phenomenon of vaccine skepticism. | ||
| Whereas many people believe that the discredited and retracted Wakefield study that linked vaccinations and autism, they believe that that's been responsible for igniting the passions of well-meaning but misguided parents and led them into this new movement against vaccines, the reality is quite different. | ||
| The rhetoric and concerns of the anti-vax crowd in our modern society almost entirely mirrors the concerns expressed by their predecessors in the early 1900s. | ||
| That's because we've evolved so much since then. | ||
| Sure. | ||
| The difference is that back then, vaccines were a new idea, and everybody intuitively thought it was dumb to give someone a disease to stop them from getting the same disease. | ||
| Right, of course. | ||
| The authors of that study traced down the big commonalities that characterized vaccine skepticism over the course of the last hundred years and found that in both time periods, in 1915 to 1922 and in the modern time, it boiled down to rhetoric about contamination, distrust, Compulsion, the idea of being forced to take a vaccine, and locality, the idea that vaccine skepticism tends to occur in pockets geographically. | ||
| All of the ideas that had some merit in the early days of vaccines do not anymore. | ||
| And it's fascinating and sad to realize that what motivates anti-vaccination rhetoric and movements in the present day is legitimately just ignorance of the fact that we haven't... | ||
| You know, and that reminds me so much of the way that people treat any kind of climate science now. | ||
| They're like, oh, so they say that all of this high percentage of scientists agree that climate change is happening. | ||
| But you know what? | ||
| Back in the 1500s, all the scientists agreed that the Earth was flat or blah, blah, blah. | ||
| Like the new head of the EPA is a fucking moron. | ||
| That is discounting the fact that our science is also built on the back of that. | ||
| Everything has been built on the back of that. | ||
| The reason that the consensus has changed through that is because we're still aware of that. | ||
| Yes, medical science 150 years ago was less... | ||
| Based upon a good consensus, because there was no general standardized research level. | ||
| There was no general standardized idea of how it is that things are supposed to go. | ||
| And as time has moved on, more and more sophisticated things have made a consensus almost unassailable, as opposed to being something that should be suspect. | ||
| But, again, almost unassailable is also a part of science. | ||
| It's also part of science! | ||
| Right. | ||
| So, I mean, 100%. | ||
| That is, like, it's... | ||
| But if you read this study and this research paper, it's so depressing to see, like, that... | ||
| Because you like to imagine that it is all just a movement that's popped up because of this discredited autism study. | ||
| Of course. | ||
| That linked vaccinations and shit. | ||
| And it's not. | ||
| It's not. | ||
| It's something that's been going on since vaccinations came around, and it's just... | ||
| It's just an intuitive ignorance that people reinforce with bad science and terrible arguments. | ||
| It's just refusal. | ||
| It's the protocols of the elders of Zion. | ||
| It's those same narratives popping up over and over and over again with different enemies. | ||
| Now, Alex isn't wrong about the idea that diagnoses of children on the autism spectrum have gone up considerably in the past years. | ||
| I would guess he's fudging the numbers a little bit, but I don't really care about that necessarily, because what's behind his numbers is far more important, and that's the misuse of statistics. | ||
| He's arguing that an increase in the number of autism spectrum diagnoses means that more people are on the autism spectrum, but he has literally nothing to prove that other than claim that vaccinations are to blame. | ||
| The problem is he can't prove that, and no one has. | ||
| Despite a loud chorus of denialists, the evidence is pretty well settled that vaccines have no causal link to the onset of ASD. | ||
| It's just not, no one's proved that. | ||
| There's a simple explanation for why the rate is going up, and Dr. Max Witznitzer, a pediatric neurologist, lays it out very clearly. | ||
| Quote, we're getting better at identifying under-identified populations, so it's not as if the numbers are rising. | ||
| It's more that everyone is getting, everyone is going to the number that it should be. | ||
| One of the things that experts will tell you is that ASD diagnoses are quite, until quite recently, were overwhelmingly white children. | ||
| This was something that puzzled doctors, so they studied the demographic patterns and found that, quote, ASD prevalence tends to be higher among residents of neighborhoods where higher socioeconomic status is there. | ||
| These residents are more likely to have access to quality health care. | ||
| Yeah, there you go. | ||
| The access to quality health care is a large piece of this, as is the racist way some diagnoses can be made. | ||
| Behavior that might be treated as a medical condition in a white child until fairly recently would often be deemed delinquency if the same behavior manifested being done by a black child. | ||
| Greater awareness of these invisible biases, as well as attempts to provide quality health care for larger numbers of people, has naturally led to better diagnostic processes. | ||
| And along the way, that has led to a jump in the number of diagnoses, but not necessarily a jump of the actual people who exist on that spectrum. | ||
| Exactly. | ||
| What it's saying is, yes, so now you say it was 1 in 400 and now it's like 1 in 58. Well, back then it was 1 in 58. White kids. | ||
| And that's not even perfect. | ||
| And it was 1 in 58 black kids were just being bad all the time. | ||
| Like, yes, of course. | ||
| I mean, a lot of that is what is behind the shifting numbers or the perceived increase. | ||
| And if you actually read from doctors who have studied this and know what they're talking about, it's pretty easy to explain the statistical jump. | ||
| And it's not because... | ||
| Globalists are poisoning vaccines. | ||
| Well, I mean, you talk about the underdiagnosis of autism in women, and you go back so long, and it's just like... | ||
| Well, women are just different. | ||
| Like, that was always the diagnosis for so long. | ||
| It was like, why is it that autism is only diagnosed in male children for forever? | ||
| And it's because you're being fucking misogynistic. | ||
| Like, at the end of the day, you're unwilling to contend with the idea that women are equal or the same. | ||
| There were institutional problems. | ||
| And, you know, until fairly recently, we weren't making the right kind of progress on those things. | ||
| But all of this is to say that Alex is jumping... | ||
| Headlong back into, like, trying to be earlier Alex Jones. | ||
| It's fascinating. | ||
| And when I heard him say this, it made me even more convinced. | ||
| He's rusty, but trying to be himself again. | ||
| So they got hundreds of vaccines that aren't even vaccines that they want to put in your body. | ||
| And they're just seeing how many people they can kill and maim before you do anything. | ||
| Because they know you'll statistically give in to them. | ||
| You'll statistically... | ||
| Adapt to everybody dying around you. | ||
| And just accept it. | ||
| This is the mass calling. | ||
| It's going on right now, ladies and gentlemen. | ||
| You've been targeted. | ||
| Diet, injections, and injunctions will make a rebellion of the proletariat like a rebellion of sheep against the practice of eating mutton. | ||
| Mutton the sheep. | ||
| That's Bertrand Russell. | ||
| You got it. | ||
| One of the main architects of this. | ||
| I'm going to say it again. | ||
| Bertrand Russell. | ||
| Diet, injections, and injunctions. | ||
| Bertrand Russell, globalist extraordinaire. | ||
| Giving you bad food, giving you injections, lower IQ, and injunctions, the courts. | ||
| Diet, injections, and injunctions will make a rebellion by the proletariat. | ||
| Injunctions. | ||
| Diet. | ||
| As impossible as that of sheep against the practice of eating mutton. | ||
| This is old school Alex, shit man. | ||
| This isn't a fair quote Alex is using here. | ||
| Alex is just taking the beginning of one sentence and attaching it to the end of a different sentence in an effort to paraphrase Bertrand Russell's passage from his book The Impact of Science on Society to Serve His Purposes. | ||
| The full quote is, quote, Gradually, by selective breeding, the congenital differences between rulers and the ruled will increase until they become almost different species. | ||
| The revolt of plebes would become as unthinkable as the organized insurrection of sheep against the practice of eating mutton. | ||
| This has nothing to do with diets, injections, and injunctions. | ||
| Those words are found two paragraphs earlier. | ||
| Alex could have just used the earlier sentence. | ||
| But he wanted that sheep and mutton thing in there, since it's the only part of the quote he actually remembers. | ||
| He could have just used the later sentence, but it didn't include the word injections and injunctions, which is really what he wants to talk about here with his vaccination shit. | ||
| Thus, he had to combine the two, which is a little bit dishonest. | ||
| All this doesn't matter, though, since he's completely twisting Bertrand Russell's words to a point where this should constitute slander. | ||
| As we discussed when Alex brought up this passage in Endgame... | ||
| Get him. | ||
| gave in the early 1950s. | ||
| Get him. | ||
| And the chapter Alex is pulling quotes from is a discussion of the horrors that could have befallen the world had the Nazis won World War II, or if some similarly evil government were to operate on a purely scientific basis with no regard for citizens'individual rights. | ||
| This is explicitly something he does not want to see come to pass. | ||
| The context is very, very clear if you actually read the book. | ||
| We already covered this in depth, and so there's no real utility in doing it again past just reminding people of that. | ||
| But I made a point of drawing attention to this because... | ||
| It's one of so many signs in this episode the old Alex is waking up from his Trump coma. | ||
| This is him trying to bring endgame shit back. | ||
| It's more real than in other ways. | ||
| It's more real than he's done in other 2018-2019 episodes that we've looked at where there's like a flicker of something from the past or whatever. | ||
| This is so much like, I want to go home. | ||
| I want to go back. | ||
| This is the Tin Man screaming oil can. | ||
| Yep. | ||
| It's awesome. | ||
| Oh, also, by the way, you are a little bit off. | ||
| Bertrand Russell was 100% a globalist. | ||
| Oh, no, no, I know. | ||
| Oh, okay. | ||
| Jesus. | ||
| I thought you were trying to insinuate that he wasn't. | ||
| One of the end conclusions of that book, The Impact of Science on Society, is like, well, we can probably pull things off if there's a world government that's benevolent. | ||
| But we're not talking about globalists. | ||
| Yes, Bertrand Russell was absolutely a globalist. | ||
| He was not a... | ||
| Globalist with scare quotes on it. | ||
| That's my point. | ||
| He wasn't a capital G globalist. | ||
| Yeah, yeah, exactly. | ||
| So I'm seeing all this stuff. | ||
| He was just brilliant. | ||
| I'm seeing all this stuff. | ||
| I'm seeing meat on the table to eat. | ||
| I'm seeing this. | ||
| It's kind of fun. | ||
| Also, we're seeing these indications that Alex is kind of sick of Roger and Trump and wants to put him aside. | ||
| Then Alex says this. | ||
| He's trying to make more arguments about vaccines being bad. | ||
| Uh-huh. | ||
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| We could have done a six-hour episode just going over all the, like, sort of run-of-the-mill anti-vax arguments, but I don't think there's much use in that. | ||
| I would much rather talk about things like this that are shining examples of how fucking stupid Alex Jones is and how badly he makes these arguments. | ||
| And they tell him, well, there are some side effects, but for the greater good, civilization's been built by this. | ||
| He's talking about, like, doctors who are told that they should support vaccines. | ||
| Right, doctors with borders. | ||
| Right. | ||
| Vaccines had nothing to do with it. | ||
| It was all running water and sanitation and washing of clothes and screen doors. | ||
| You look at the numbers all over the industrialized world. | ||
| When industrialization happens, that's when the disease stops spreading. | ||
| Vaccines become ubiquitous by the 60s. | ||
| Some of those diseases go back up. | ||
| They got rid of their screen doors. | ||
| Australia, the U.S., everywhere. | ||
| Become industrialized. | ||
| You're running water, sanitation. | ||
| Disease goes like this. | ||
| Infectious disease. | ||
| Then vaccines come back. | ||
| It starts going back up. | ||
| Most of the stuff you get today is from illegal aliens or the vaccines actually giving it to you. | ||
| Look it up for yourself, okay? | ||
| I'm done. | ||
| Okay, I looked it up. | ||
| Holy shit! | ||
| Alex is swinging for the fences with this one. | ||
| I can kind of see the argument he's trying to make here, and it may sound kind of good, sort of, but it's terrible. | ||
| Sure, screen doors made it so mosquitoes couldn't fly into your house and give you malaria or dengue fever. | ||
| Problem is, the screen door wasn't invented until 1887, which is a bit after the Industrial Revolution. | ||
| It took us a long time to get to the screen door, and that's a pretty big indictment. | ||
| Some window screens were created before this, but they weren't immediately widely available for consumer use. | ||
| Hand-washing is hugely important in terms of health, but the timeline doesn't work out there either. | ||
| Ignat Schimmelweiss... | ||
| I was about to bring up Ignat Schimmelweiss! | ||
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| He got fucked! | ||
| He formulated some of the theories about hand-washing in 1846, and Florence Nightingale and Oliver Wendell Holmes did also, a few years later... | ||
| But their ideas were not popular, mostly because doctors felt like they were being blamed for contaminating patients. | ||
| And at that time, they believed that water itself was the source of infections and diseases, along with foul odors called miasmids. | ||
| It wasn't until Louis Pasteur performed some formal experiments in the mid-1860s that people began to take germ theory a little bit more seriously. | ||
| The CDC didn't even exist until 1946, and according to a retrospective published by the World Health Organization, in the United States, actual hand hygiene guidelines weren't even published or enforced until 1981. | ||
| Prior to that point, most of the public discussion about hand-washing being sanitary was done in soap advertisements. | ||
| Not because they thought it would protect customers, but because they thought it was a fear-based way that they could move more product. | ||
| Man, Ignat Semmelweis is one of the most tragic figures that I can think of. | ||
| Yeah, he came up with a really good idea. | ||
| And not just that, but in the medical community, he was one of the first guys to really start applying double-blind studies and actually treat things scientifically. | ||
| One of the big things that he did was just like, guys, we're going directly from an autopsy to a child birthing center. | ||
| All of our midwives are not killing these pregnant women, and all of our doctors are killing these pregnant women. | ||
| Let's think about this. | ||
| And then later he died of sepsis. | ||
| the very disease that he was fighting against Tragic irony. | ||
| It's so ironic. | ||
| I'm so sad for him. | ||
| Poor guy. | ||
| Yeah, let's give him a medal. | ||
| Shout out, Schibbleweiss. | ||
| Generally speaking, the Industrial Revolution is considered to be the period between 1760 and 1840, and it was a period of rampant disease and death. | ||
| One of the reasons for this was that urbanization outpaced advances in sanitation and outbreaks of things like cholera were super common. | ||
| Because of how easy it was for water to be contaminated in these newly urban areas and how people were living in far greater density than they were before, Communicable diseases went absolutely nuts. | ||
| It's estimated that tuberculosis killed one-third of everyone who died in the United Kingdom between 1800 and 1850 because of the conditions brought on by the Industrial Revolution. | ||
| Serious researchers and historians are pretty uniformly behind the idea that industrialization had been a driver towards diminished health conditions. | ||
| One of the things that most devastated newly urbanized areas during the Industrial Revolution was smallpox. | ||
| It was so contagious and had a history of completely destroying worlds. | ||
| Spanish and Portuguese explorers introduced it to the New World, and that pretty much spelled death for the Aztecs and the Inca. | ||
| It's a seriously fucked up dangerous disease. | ||
| It's said that in the 18th century, 400,000 people died from it every year in Europe, and the fatality rate for children who contacted it was reported at between 80 and 98%, depending on what country in Europe they got it in. | ||
| That's a bummer. | ||
| That's a lot. | ||
| That's a bummer. | ||
| Everyone knew that once you got smallpox and survived, you couldn't get it again. | ||
| People knew that going back to approximately 430 BCE, but no one really knew how to treat it. | ||
| In the early 1600s, a Dr. Snideham advocated patients, quote, That sounds very Pliny the Elder-y. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| Don't pull up your pants. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| Open the window and get drunk. | ||
| This didn't work. | ||
| How could you trust a man with snide in his name? | ||
| That's just not possible. | ||
| In 1796, a doctor named Edward Jenner decided to start experimenting with seeing if he could figure out how to prevent smallpox. | ||
| Biology had always been of interest to him, and when he was younger, he'd known some milkmaids who believed that because they'd come down with the less severe cowpox, that they would never get smallpox. | ||
| This chance interaction that he had when he was younger sparked an idea in his mind, and he began experimenting with cowpox. | ||
| This would eventually lead to him inventing vaccination, which he named after cowpox, as the Latin word for cow is vaca. | ||
| Yeah, yeah, yeah. | ||
| In 1798, he published his findings, which were literally a prevention for cowpox, but the medical community was not fast to get on board. | ||
| In 1799, however, Jenner conducted a study to determine if having survived cowpox and developing an immunity for cowpox had an impact on immunity to smallpox. | ||
| He proved his hypothesis, and thus, his cowpox vaccine was now, in effect, a smallpox vaccine as well. | ||
| The work was far from done. | ||
| For instance, at the time, they had no way of knowing how long a vaccine would protect someone for, so refinements had to be made along the way, but Jenner was responsible for a huge step in medical progress that saved hundreds of thousands of lives. | ||
| The last naturally occurring case of smallpox was recorded in Somalia in 1977, and that would not have been possible without Edward Jenner and his cowpox vaccine. | ||
| Alex can talk a lot of shit about screen doors all he fucking wants, but he isn't saying anything. | ||
| If you look at just the case of measles, according to peer-reviewed studies published in the Journal of the American Medical Association, the measles vaccine was not licensed in the United States until 1964. | ||
| Prior to that point, the incidence of measles was 300 cases per 100,000. | ||
| After introducing the vaccine, by 1982, the rate fell to 1.3 cases per 100,000. | ||
| You see this trend very clearly as it relates to other vaccine-preventable conditions. | ||
| The science is very clear. | ||
| Now, when you want to talk about the idea that you introduce the vaccine and rates can also go up, that's a part of the science, too, because as we discuss here in this path through Edward Jenner in his smallpox vaccine... | ||
| As you're creating this, you don't know if it's going to be a permanent immunization or if it's going to wear off and you have to get a booster shot down the road. | ||
| How could you? | ||
| You wouldn't know unless... | ||
| How could you? | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| Or there are instances where, you know, some gets contaminated or something like that. | ||
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| And then you trigger an outbreak. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| And that's not the vaccine's fault. | ||
| That's the process's fault. | ||
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Yeah. | |
| So there's ways that you can twist statistics all you want. | ||
| But when you really get down to the bottom of it, hand-washing is not responsible for that, although it does help. | ||
| Timeline. | ||
| Timeline's off. | ||
| Screen doors helps. | ||
| Not getting malaria and dengue fever. | ||
| Does help. | ||
| But the timeline's off. | ||
| And sure, running water is cool too. | ||
| The Industrial Revolution is literally the worst thing that you could use as an argument for that bringing down disease. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| The idea that Alex is suggesting that, it just, it baffles me. | ||
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But this is the same kind of confusion that I get from 2009, Alex. | |
| This is the kind of thing... | ||
| You're so excited! | ||
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Somewhat. | |
| But that's the kind of thing that you expect to hear from him back then. | ||
| Like, what the fuck are you talking about? | ||
| Yeah, yeah, yeah. | ||
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Like... | |
| I would just be like, Trump wants to stop all of it. | ||
| All this stuff that I'm complaining about, not like the Industrial Revolution solved everything. | ||
| It would be like, hey, vaccines are giving you X, Y, and Z. They're going to turn your kid to a mute. | ||
| And Trump is going to give you the restorative cures that all the globalists have been hiding. | ||
| That's what it would have been before. | ||
| Now he's the Industrial Revolution! | ||
| It never fails to fascinate me that how the trend of history winds up going where... | ||
| It's constantly like, oh, we solved this problem. | ||
| You know, like when you're talking about the Great Depression, when you talk about how they increased the marginal tax rates and they broke down so much of income inequality, and that led to a period of, you know, sustained growth. | ||
| And then they forgot why the Great Depression happened. | ||
| The generation that lived through it died. | ||
| And they forgot the lesson. | ||
| And so they went right back to all the same shit. | ||
| In the same way, vaccines. | ||
| When you talk about getting rid of smallpox, the last recorded case of smallpox. | ||
| Naturally occurring. | ||
| Naturally occurring. | ||
| The last recorded naturally occurring case happened 50 years ago. | ||
| Or 40 years ago. | ||
| And then we forgot that the only reason that hundreds of thousands of people aren't dying every year is because of vaccines. | ||
| Yep. | ||
| So these vaccinator people... | ||
| No, no, no. | ||
| Screen door. | ||
| Oh, I'm sorry. | ||
| So these anti-vax people come up because they're like, see, we never had eight of our 12 children die of smallpox. | ||
| Right, but then in order to refine the argument, once you realize, oh, that is the reality, you then have to attack vaccines as having something in them that's bad, which is where you create the clean vaccine idea, which is nonsense. | ||
| And we go back to that if you're prepared for a problem... | ||
| That's because you're going to cause the problem. | ||
| And if the problem happens, it's because you weren't prepared for it. | ||
| And it's always your fault. | ||
| And we need another industrial revolution. | ||
| I have you coming and going. | ||
| So that's interesting. | ||
| I enjoy all this. | ||
| It's a lot of fun. | ||
| But it's not nearly as fun as this next ad read that Alex is doing. | ||
| Ooh, we're doing an ad read? | ||
| Where I would say that there is a trend happening where Alex's ad reads... | ||
| The first one we heard earlier was a little passive-aggressive. | ||
| Now they're turning into, like, direct threats. | ||
| Listen, I've gotten to the point where I'm so focused on news information that you've noticed I'm not plugging HAP as much as I used to. | ||
| And if I don't plug, we're not going to have a show. | ||
| But you know what? | ||
| That's just the way it is. | ||
| I mean, I'm not going to say it's up to you, but... | ||
| If people don't know how great our products are, how amazing they are, how much you need them, and if folks don't want to pile in there and get them, that's the signal to me that you want George Soros and Hillary Clinton and all of them to have full control on Rod Rosenstein's sister running the Vaccine Propaganda Bureau and the secret payouts to dead kids. | ||
| She's going to have her way with your kids. | ||
| Rod Rosenstein's dirtbag, buck-toothed demon sister. | ||
| So, you know, that's what it comes down to. | ||
| If you want these buck-toothed... | ||
| Pieces of crap to have their way with you, then go ahead. | ||
| Because we've got the very best products. | ||
| Everyone needs our X3. | ||
| That's a threat. | ||
| If you don't donate to Knowledge Fight, if you don't go to our website and click the support the show button, I will tell you what's going to happen right now. | ||
| That tells me... | ||
| That tells me that you want Alex Jones to win. | ||
| If you don't tell your friends about Knowledge Fight, that tells me that you want people to like Alex Jones. | ||
| That's the truth! | ||
| So gross, man. | ||
| It's just weird gross, too. | ||
| You know? | ||
| It's a threat. | ||
| That's threatening. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| If you don't give me enough money to my satisfaction, whatever that might be, the vague idea of whatever I think you should be giving me, if... | ||
| Tithing, of course. | ||
| If X number is not achieved. | ||
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That's an indication to me that you want to be raped by the devil. | |
| So, enjoy. | ||
| I've tried to save you for the last 23 years I've been on air, but you're not giving me money, and that means, you know what, maybe I don't know. | ||
| Fuck you. | ||
| Fuck you. | ||
| Bucktooth demons are coming. | ||
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It's wild. | |
| It's wild. | ||
| That's a different tone. | ||
| There's been panic before, but not like a direct threat. | ||
| I've not heard him do, like, threatening ad. | ||
| Pivots. | ||
| I like it. | ||
| I do too! | ||
| If you don't wear fucking diamond gusset jeans, do you know what you want? | ||
| You want your balls to be eaten by mosquitoes. | ||
| Because that's what happens when you wear other fucking jeans. | ||
| Because they don't have the diamond gusset in the crotch. | ||
| They don't have the diamond gusset in the crotch. | ||
| You put a diamond gusset in the crotch where you need it most. | ||
| Nothing harder than a diamond. | ||
| That's right. | ||
| So that's the end of the 28th. | ||
| That's the end of Monday. | ||
| We'll go on to Tuesday. | ||
| And I think it's really, I think these trends continue in a super interesting way. | ||
| And it's a lot, there's a lot of content, and this is a real pain in my ass preparing this episode, stretching out over these three days, but I think it's worth it because the narrative plays out. | ||
| On Sunday you see the kernels of it, the beginning of Alex being kind of fed up and wanting, yearning for something else. | ||
| On Monday, you see him start to talk about, my identity isn't fucking Roger Stone and Donald Trump, and do an almost entire show where he just goes fucking vaccines and barely defends Trump in any way. | ||
| Like, really not much Trump defense. | ||
| So then we get in on Tuesday, on the 29th, and Alex has an interview with Roger Stone at the beginning of the show, because Roger had just gone and pled not guilty. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| And he tried to do a little press conference afterwards, and he got booed again. | ||
| And Alex is not happy about that either. | ||
| That is really starting to piss Alex off. | ||
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I love it! | |
| Because the optics of it are very difficult. | ||
| The idea that Roger keeps getting booed everywhere, eventually people are not going to, like, they're not going to go like, oh yeah, that is all globalist, enemy of the people, fake news media. | ||
| They're going to be like, huh. | ||
| People really don't like this guy. | ||
| Yeah, outside of Infos, it seems like everybody thinks that guy's an asshole. | ||
| Huh, is everybody wrong? | ||
| Huh. | ||
| So anyway, Alex has this interview, and it's exactly the same thing that we saw on our Monday episode, where Alex is mostly preoccupied with the idea of this being a world exclusive. | ||
| Of course. | ||
| That seems to be what is really driving him here trying to talk to Roger. | ||
| Talk about tomorrow's news today, ladies and gentlemen. | ||
| Roger Stone. | ||
| He's giving us the world exclusive after his arraignment. | ||
| There were hundreds of cameras and reporters out front just 30 minutes ago when he came out. | ||
| But he was shouted down from the giant throng of reporters and the huge stand of more than 40 microphones. | ||
| They screamed, you're a Russian agent, you're going to prison, lock him up. | ||
| They did not want him to have his free speech to defend himself. | ||
| And so, Owen Schroer and Roger were ready to make statements, their co-host, about the attack on the First Amendment, but that was stopped, even worse than what happened when he got out of the jail there in Florida on his own recognizance bond last Friday and last Saturday morning. | ||
| So again, ladies and gentlemen, Roger Stone is here to give us this world Exclusive. | ||
| It's hard to square that with the fact that Roger's been on every fucking show that'll have him on. | ||
| It's even harder to square that with how earlier in the show, Roger said that earlier that morning, on Tuesday, he had been on Man Cow's show, and Man Cow says hello. | ||
| So the idea that he had been on... | ||
| It's a world exclusive. | ||
| He had been on Mancow's show earlier. | ||
| He'd been on Fox News all over the place. | ||
| He promotes that he's going to be on Laura Ingraham while he's on Alex's show. | ||
| There's no exclusivity to this, and I think it's really pissing Alex off. | ||
| I think he's really getting frustrated that Roger does now have other avenues he can go down. | ||
| When Alex got sued by the Sandy Hook families, he couldn't go on Tucker Carlson. | ||
| He couldn't go on Hannity. | ||
| They wouldn't have him on to defend himself. | ||
| Nope. | ||
| But now Roger Stone's the hottest item in town. | ||
| He's welcome on all the Fox News shows. | ||
| He's able to go wherever he wants. | ||
| He can go to Mankow, Mueller's place. | ||
| Ooh, think they're related? | ||
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| Jesus. | ||
| So Alex is starting to get this, like, you can feel it in him. | ||
| This bubbling of, like... | ||
| It's a motherfucker. | ||
| I keep trying to say it's exclusive, and he knows that he needs more than I can provide him. | ||
| He's working across purposes. | ||
| In the wrestling business, they call it going into business for yourself. | ||
| Roger's going into business for himself. | ||
| In the middle of the match, right here, what we're witnessing is a match. | ||
| They're a tag team, and Roger is basically going into business for himself. | ||
| He's twisting the script of what they're supposed to be doing, and Alex is just holding the bag. | ||
| It's very, very clear. | ||
| I love it. | ||
| It's kind of unfortunate that Alex hasn't fired Roger. | ||
| Because that seems like his... | ||
| Wait till the end of this episode. | ||
| You son of a bitch! | ||
| I'm not saying he does. | ||
| But Alex does say something that implies that this shit isn't done. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| But before he gets there, we see even more pieces of Alex from the past waking up as if in a slumber, as if out of the twilight, his eyes are flickering open back again. | ||
| The sleeping giant has awoken. | ||
| He starts to talk about these sources that he used to talk about all the time, these pre-Trump era sources. | ||
| When I was growing up, and I was hearing people that had been in the military as officers and people that had been FBI and all these other places, Not in pencil pushing and paper pushing areas, but real on-the-ground stuff. | ||
| I always heard, and I always thought it was weird and not true. | ||
| Because I was a kid, nobody ever tried to sexually touch me. | ||
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| That the establishment was obsessed with raping and killing children. | ||
| And there was a whole secret government worldwide that entering into the club meant you had to kill children. | ||
| Or at least rape them. | ||
| And then as I got older... | ||
| And I'm sitting there having dinner with General Benton K. Parton, former head of Air Force Weapons Development, head of the HAARP program, guy that developed super-secret space-based weapons. | ||
| I mean, it doesn't get more influential than him. | ||
| The top engineer over huge clandestine programs. | ||
| And I've interviewed Stubblebine, head of Black Ops and everybody else, and they've confirmed it all as well. | ||
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Stubblebine. | |
| Stubblebine! | ||
| I've even interviewed Don de Grand Prix. | ||
| He's bringing up these old dudes who used to be such a part of things. | ||
| We've encountered General Stubblebine on this podcast thanks to his 2015 appearance with his wife, Dr. Rima Labo, where the two of them tried to sell $30 laminated cards to get people out of being vaccinated. | ||
| They're laminated, Dan. | ||
| They were laminated. | ||
| Then they expressed a bunch of bullshit white genocide narratives and it got real gross real fast. | ||
| Here's the thing. | ||
| Stubblebine had a long and storied career in the military services that spanned 32 years, from 1952 to 1984. | ||
| You may be asking yourself why he left the military in 1984. | ||
| It seems like if you're in for 32 years, you wouldn't leave unless you had to. | ||
| Turns out, he had to. | ||
| In 1980, General Albert Stubblebine started to get a little bit weird. | ||
| We need to fight the birds! | ||
| This was the result of him reading the First Earth Battalion Operations Manual, a book written by a guy named Jim Channon that was packed to the gills with Project Camelot-style New Age nonsense. | ||
| He was advocating for creating a class of warrior monks in our army that had special abilities, which would operate... | ||
| obviously give us a leg up against the USSR. | ||
| I don't think he's wrong. | ||
| General Stubblebine took that ball and ran with it, creating a project to investigate psychic warfare that ran between 1981 and 1984. | ||
| He's the man who stares at God. | ||
| He attempted to train soldiers to turn themselves invisible and walk through walls, as well as remote view any place in the world. | ||
| None of these efforts were successful in anything other than being the basis of John Ronson's book, The Man Who Stare at Goats. | ||
| I didn't realize that that was Albert Stubblebine. | ||
| You didn't realize that that was him? | ||
| You didn't know that that was Stubblebine? | ||
| No, do you know what's crazy? | ||
| I did know that. | ||
| Because I've read that fucking book. | ||
| He's not the main character in the book or anything like that, but he is the guy who tries to walk through walls. | ||
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| So, in 1984, though he had... | ||
| Because I'm a fan of John Ronson. | ||
| He's really fun. | ||
| He's really good. | ||
| In 1984, though he had literally zero success for three years at creating super soldiers, he was not drummed out of the military for that. | ||
| It turns out that in order to train these super soldiers, General Stubblebine had been letting civilian psychics into the sensitive compartmentalized information facilities, which is a crazy violation of security protocol. | ||
| Especially since they're psychics. | ||
| And he was kicked out for that. | ||
| There's no way that Alex could have talked to Stubblebine except for after all of that, considering Alex was 10 years old in 1984. | ||
| Stubblebine was also never the head of Black Ops. | ||
| As for Benton K. Parton, Alex only knows him because that dude was a big Oklahoma City and Waco truther back in the 90s. | ||
| Parton did have a long career in the Air Force, serving 31 years before retiring in 1978. | ||
| Unfortunately, that makes it pretty much impossible for him to be involved in HAARP, seeing as that project didn't start until 1993. | ||
| From 1988 to 1989, he served as a special assistant to the head of the Federal Aviation Association, but his role was mostly about the implementation of the new GPS systems and matters of FAA policy, not with creating a gigantic weather weapon. | ||
| Alex knows that now Ben K. Parton is dead, so is Stubblebine, so why not exaggerate their resumes? | ||
| It's kind of a shame, because outside of some of the more... | ||
| Colorful pieces of their resumes. | ||
| They both did have long careers that don't need exaggeration. | ||
| You don't need to claim that Stubblebine was the head of Black Ops. | ||
| You could just say he's in the fucking military for 32 years. | ||
| You don't need to lie about Ben Parton being a part of HAARP. | ||
| You could just talk about his illustrious 31-year career in the Air Force. | ||
| Hey Alex, this is Jordan from Chicago. | ||
| I just want to check in. | ||
| How's General Stubblebine doing? | ||
| Oh, he's dead. | ||
| Died in 2017. | ||
| Alright, well I think you're doing a great job. | ||
| I'm going to let you go. | ||
| So you see that, though. | ||
| Like, these are things that existed previous to Trump, and they're starting to make a re-emergence. | ||
| And he has another one. | ||
| He has another little piece of narrative from earlier days. | ||
| We have the former Defense Secretary, Michael Cohen. | ||
| That's not his name. | ||
| Saying, we have earthquake weapons, we have tectonic weapons, we have weather weapons, and other people have weather weapons. | ||
| But see? | ||
| I'm the bad guy, you see, because I told you first about it. | ||
| And we had the meteorologist on about it. | ||
| It's incredible. | ||
| Yeah, their Secretary of Defense speaks out about earthquake weapons. | ||
| I like earthquake weapons. | ||
| Just don't believe me. | ||
| Just type it in. | ||
| Just type it in. | ||
| You can actually go watch the video of the Defense Department if I haven't pulled it down. | ||
| I typed it in. | ||
| Alex Jones here is reporting that William Cohen, not Michael Cohen, legitimate Secretary of Defense under Bill Clinton held a press conference where he admitted that they had earthquake weapons. | ||
| If he's out there admitting that that is what they have, what kind of terrifying shit do they have that they don't talk about at press conferences? | ||
| The mind reels. | ||
| Be very afraid. | ||
| Order Infowars products today. | ||
| That sounds right. | ||
| So, in reality, what Alex is talking about is a speech that Secretary Cohen gave on April 28, 1997, which is part of a conference on terrorism, weapons of mass destruction, and U.S. strategy. | ||
| In all fairness to Alex, Cohen does bring up earthquake weapons. | ||
| In all fairness to reality... | ||
| Cohen brings them up as an example of something that doesn't exist. | ||
| The full context of his quote is that he is asked, quote, let me ask you specifically about last week's scare here in Washington and what we might have learned from how prepared we are to deal with that sort of thing at B 'nai B 'rith, referring to a package that arrived at the Jewish service organization that was initially thought to be a chemical weapon. | ||
| Cohen's response was this, quote, Say the words phantom moles one more time. | ||
| That was Star Wars. | ||
| Phantom moles. | ||
| Phantom mole menace. | ||
| All right. | ||
| The mere fear that there is a mole within an agency can set off a chain reaction and a hunt for that particular mole, which can paralyze the agency for weeks and months and years even, in a search. | ||
| The same thing is true about the false scares of a threat of someone using some kind of chemical weapon or biological one. | ||
| There are some reports, for example, that some countries have been trying to construct something like an Ebola virus, and that would be a very dangerous... | ||
| Alvin Toffler has written about, in terms of some scientists in their laboratories, trying to devise certain types of pathogens that would be ethnic-specific, so they could just eliminate certain ethnic groups and races. | ||
| Others are designing some sort of engineering, some kind of insect that could destroy specific crops. | ||
| Others are engaging even in an ecotype of terrorism, whereby they can alter the climate, set off earthquakes, volcanoes, remotely through the use of electromagnetic waves. | ||
| He's talking about potential weapons, but the context of these potential weapons are as examples of false threats that they've received reports about. | ||
| It's the sort of thing that you can't not take seriously. | ||
| If you're in the intelligence community, you get some sort of report about this sort of thing, but it's not real. | ||
| Right. | ||
| Alex is profoundly fucking stupid. | ||
| Well, there's so many times where you saw during the Cold War, Russia would be like, we have lasers. | ||
| And then America would be like, we have buh. | ||
| And then Russia would be like, well, we have anti-buh. | ||
| And then America would be like, we have anti-anti-buh. | ||
| Busting anti-buzz. | ||
| There's a lot of posturing that goes on in terms of geopolitical. | ||
| It's too... | ||
| Yeah, it's to force you to account for something that is literally unaccountable. | ||
| You can really hurt your enemy by pretending you have a weapon that forces them to spend billions of dollars trying to find a way to protect themselves from that weapon. | ||
| And at the same time... | ||
| It's part of the fucking each other over. | ||
| Yeah, yeah, yeah. | ||
| It's part of the age-old game. | ||
| Disinformation is necessary for both enemies and allies. | ||
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| The most famous story I can think of off the top of my head is... | ||
| The British spread that idea of carrots improve eyesight in order to distract from the fact that they were using radar. | ||
| It was that kind of like, oh, it's this. | ||
| That's the reverse, but the same principle. | ||
| Exactly. | ||
| Hiding whatever technology you have. | ||
| Art of war bullshit. | ||
| You always want to have a vagueness, whether it's a perceived greater threat or a perceived lesser capability. | ||
| In order to get people off your trail. | ||
| And if you read that entire interview that Cohen did, it's very clear from the context that he's talking about stuff that we don't have. | ||
| There's, like, reports that are false that people do have them. | ||
| Yeah, yeah, yeah. | ||
| So Alex using that as his big, like, example of, like, they got weather weapons, they can make earthquakes. | ||
| It's like, eh, gotta do better. | ||
| Can't do that. | ||
| Can't do it based on that. | ||
| So, in this next clip, Alex is just getting into his, like, just... | ||
| It's just where he's at. | ||
| And where he's at is... | ||
| I think internally he recognizes that he's sold out, but he's really mad about it. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| So he's got to talk about how he'll never sell out. | ||
| There's this weird given... | ||
| There's this push and pull that's going on inside his soul where he's like, I need to make up for having sold out. | ||
| Right. | ||
| By going back to my roots in some ways. | ||
| But at the same time... | ||
| If I recognize that I've sold out, I can never go back. | ||
| Right. | ||
| Which is, again, something that we talked about so long ago. | ||
| I know. | ||
| We talked about this. | ||
| We talked about all of this as hypothetical things, and now it's happening. | ||
| As far as prophetic predictions, the whole time we're like, he can do this, but he can't do this. | ||
| There's certain things you can't accept in terms of owning, like for Alex, and there's some things he just can't, and one of them is selling out, and he would never. | ||
| I will not shell out to death. | ||
| I will not sell out and molest children to be part of the club. | ||
| I will not do it. | ||
| You're disgusting. | ||
| Okay. | ||
| In fact, oh, it's just unbelievable. | ||
| We're going to go to break. | ||
| Listen, I'm just going to tell us for something right now. | ||
| I think our best products are Body's Ultimate Turmeric. | ||
| What the fuck? | ||
| Yep. | ||
| I will never sell out. | ||
| I won't sell out to death. | ||
| I do need you to give me money for these products that are bullshit that I sold out to. | ||
| I also really like the flat delivery of I will not sell out to death. | ||
| I will never sell out to death. | ||
| I'm just emotionless. | ||
| So up to this point, I think that I've been making a case that Alex is going back to his roots. | ||
| And I think that there's been some indications of it. | ||
| I have also been making a case that he's... | ||
| Really doing the first step of getting the fuck away from Roger? | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| And up to this point, I don't think that I've proven that case necessarily, but I will in this next clip. | ||
| All right. | ||
| I've got all these employees and all this crew, and I've got all my lawsuits I'm fighting that are way more money than Roger's paying. | ||
| It's not some competition here, but I'm kind of fighting a two-front war with Roger because InfoWars has become a platform to sit there and promote fundraising for his issues when I gave Roger a job here, which is great, and he's paid. | ||
| And then it also becomes this split where we may not get the funds to fund InfoWars because the 24-7 Roger Stone fundraising is people then split it and say, well, we'll just give him a donation instead of InfoWars. | ||
| I've got to have a talk with him about that because we can win the battle, lose the war here because of that. | ||
| So I hope people do support Roger. | ||
| But InfoWars has a bill, let's not exaggerate, at least 10 times what Roger Stone's is, okay? | ||
| And so... | ||
| And he's bringing in as much money as we're bringing in right now. | ||
| And that's great. | ||
| That's all fine and dandy. | ||
| It's not. | ||
| I have 100 employees. | ||
| I have all the bandwidth bills and all the equipment, and I sent security up to Roger and reporters up there, and that costs money. | ||
| And so I'm not bitching or complaining. | ||
| I'm going to have to make some decisions around here on a bunch of fronts. | ||
| About layoffs. | ||
| You know, laying Paul Watson off. | ||
| Laying Roger Stone off. | ||
| People that are paid more around here. | ||
| I mean, I've told them point blank, too. | ||
| I mean, that's where this is headed. | ||
| If we don't get the support. | ||
| And if people don't want to support us, that's fine. | ||
| You don't think it's fine. | ||
| But that, I also, I think that there's, I think there's a truth in terms of Roger. | ||
| In terms of Paul, I don't think that's true. | ||
| I think that's the advertising. | ||
| That's to cover for him saying, I'm going to have to lay off Roger Stone. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| I'm going to have to lay off Roger Stone, and so I'm going to add in some people that I'm never going to lay off, whose salaries are maybe comparable. | ||
| Alex can't do this without Paul. | ||
| There's no way. | ||
| The day that Paul Joseph Watson leaves is the day everything falls apart, in terms of in force. | ||
| And Buckley would never let him fire Paul, no matter what. | ||
| So I don't believe that. | ||
| I think that Alex is expressing something sincere, and that is that, like, Unless you motherfuckers give me a bunch of money, I'm going to have to lay people off. | ||
| That's just the reality of this, because we aren't going to be able to make do. | ||
| We're a fucking podcast slash radio show now. | ||
| Even if I'm getting dark money, it's not going to make up for the eight lawsuits I'm facing. | ||
| The chickens coming home to roost are super expensive to feed. | ||
| So there is that, and I believe that's true. | ||
| What I also believe is true is that Alex is really pissed off. | ||
| That some of the donations that could be going to him are going to Roger. | ||
| Oh, 100%. | ||
| The 24-hour Roger Stone defense thing here is really cutting into my bottom line. | ||
| I've got a business to run. | ||
| And you know what? | ||
| I've got to talk to Roger about this, quite frankly. | ||
| Hold on a second. | ||
| Because he's not even giving me exclusives. | ||
| He went on Man Cow before my show. | ||
| What the fuck? | ||
| I am both paying Roger Stone and advertising for Roger Stone's legal defense fund, and now he is siphoning money away from me that could be given to me? | ||
| It's probably the first time in the last three years that Roger Stone has been a financial deficit to him. | ||
| And as we all know, that is the single most important thing. | ||
| Yeah, absolutely. | ||
| Once there isn't green in it, then what are we doing? | ||
| So Alex expresses this even more. | ||
| It just deteriorates as the show goes on. | ||
| That's what I'm saying. | ||
| I'm sick of just being associated with Donald Trump and Roger Stone. | ||
| He's probably sick of being associated with me. | ||
| And by that, it's not bad to be associated with Donald Trump. | ||
| It's that that's all I become associated with. | ||
| Not being right about screen time. | ||
| Being right about 3G and 4G and 5G. | ||
| Being right about how you're being spied on. | ||
| Being right about the world government. | ||
| Being right about everything. | ||
| Why don't people recognize I'm right about everything? | ||
| All they do is think I'm associated with Roger Stone and Trump because of everything I've done for the last three years. | ||
| It's like you do everything possible to cement yourself as the guy who's associated with Roger Stone and Donald Trump for three years, and then people think that's all you are! | ||
| Right, there's so much more to me, like what I did before and abandoned in order to do this thing. | ||
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Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. | |
| Remember when I... | ||
| Guys, guys, do you know what this is? | ||
| This is so much... | ||
| Guys, guys. | ||
| You remember when I used to be great? | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| It definitely wasn't now. | ||
| Glory days. | ||
| It definitely wasn't now. | ||
| In this next clip, this is the last one where he's talking about Roger, and I think that this, like, just listen to his fucking tone. | ||
| This is like, this is so frustrated and over it. | ||
| He's just over it. | ||
| I'm saying, this is how the globalists engage you. | ||
| Set up these false fights, where now we're going to spend half our time. | ||
| Defending Roger on a fake indictment in a major war for the whole country and our children fighting the pedophiles. | ||
| Now everything in Infowars will become this stupid case and this stupid judge and stupid Mueller instead of just warning people, hey, read what's in your tap water. | ||
| Read what's in the vaccines. | ||
| Hey, find out about the New World Order. | ||
| Hey, find out about the big picture. | ||
| You see what I'm saying? | ||
| I do see what you're saying. | ||
| I don't think that there's any way if Alex was still committed to this whole thing, he would be like, this stupid case. | ||
| Half of my fucking time is going to have to be spent defending Roger about this stupid bullshit. | ||
| Like, he's put upon to a point where it's like, this isn't cutting it anymore. | ||
| I'm done. | ||
| This is a strong indication to me. | ||
| Roger's done. | ||
| He is done with InfoWars. | ||
| Roger, this is both an indictment of your legal standing and an indictment of your character from me. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| And, uh, I'm out! | ||
| So, I don't feel great about this, and I don't think it says anything really positive about me, but I've put in my time with Alex Jones, and I believe that I have a unique ability to understand him. | ||
| Everything I hear being put forth from him in the aftermath of Roger Stone getting indicted when he's had time to actually read the stuff and, you know, sleep on it, all I hear is Alex screaming, I want to go back. | ||
| Roger is going to prison. | ||
| Jerome Corsi is mixed up in all of it. | ||
| He's publicly denounced Steve Pachanek on his show. | ||
| Webster Tarpley and Wayne Madsen hate him now because they saw Trump for the danger that he was. | ||
| Jakari Jackson quit. | ||
| He lost Rob Jacobson. | ||
| He had to fire Joe Biggs over Pizzagate. | ||
| Leanne McAdoo doesn't seem too into this anymore. | ||
| Roger Stone was the glue holding together a fractured world. | ||
| And without him... | ||
| It's not going to work in this direction anymore. | ||
| It can't. | ||
| It's not worth doing it. | ||
| And so Alex is trying to retreat to the idyllic pastures of his past, not realizing you can't go home again. | ||
| As George Weber learned in Tom Wolfe's book of that title, quote, you can't go back home to your family, back to your childhood, back home to a young man's dreams of glory and fame, back home to the places in the country, back home to the old forms and systems of things which once seemed everlasting, but which are changing all the time, back home to the escapes of time and memory. | ||
| Three years of becoming what he is now has taken a toll on Alex that he'll never be able to undo. | ||
| Every day he woke up and came into his studio to tie his name and his reputation to Trump intentionally, and that is not something that goes away just because your friend got arrested and you don't want to play that game anymore. | ||
| Alex has every reason to want to go back to his marvelous sunset cities of his better days, but he can't because he's been changed by the journey. | ||
| It becomes crystal clear when you hear him trying to do this 2009 style rants that we've seen over the course of this episode, but he's doing it with his 2019 brain. | ||
| He can't do it anymore. | ||
| He can't weave his I'm above politics bullshit after spending three plus years defending everything Republican members of the government did and literally making Democrat and globalists synonymous. | ||
| He was always lying, but he threw away whatever pretense he had a decade ago to ride the big wave with Roger. | ||
| Unfortunately... | ||
| That party is fucking over. | ||
| Roger is signaled that he's willing to talk to Mueller, which undercuts literally all of the narratives Alex has pitched about their interactions. | ||
| Roger keeps going on Fox shows like Hannity, Tucker Carlson, and Laura Ingram to plead his case because he can now. | ||
| He's a hot item, and Alex knows that he's old news. | ||
| And Alex cannot go home again, but it's gonna be fucking fun to see him try. | ||
| Did you just quote Tom Wolfe at me? | ||
| I did. | ||
| Did you just fucking quote Tom Wolfeby? | ||
| I did. | ||
| All right. | ||
| All right. | ||
| But, I mean, I think that's what he's struggling with. | ||
| And I think it's really interesting. | ||
| Because I don't think he can make it work. | ||
| But whether or not I think he can pull it off, just based on how I don't think anyone can pull it off, that doesn't mean I'm not still super into him trying. | ||
| That's more what I'm really interested in. | ||
| Because along the way, he's going to get back to more, like... | ||
| Actually trying on his show as opposed to being just a deflection artist, which is always better. | ||
| It's always better for me. | ||
| And then at the same time, I don't think that we've ever seen Alex in salvage mode. | ||
| And I think that's what he's going to have to be moving forward. | ||
| I think it's going to be slow moving. | ||
| I definitely think it's going to take a little while for it to really take hold. | ||
| But it's the same sort of thing that we saw when he came into Trump in the late summer, fall, into the winter of 2015. | ||
| It was a really slow burn where there was the introduction of themes. | ||
| The gradual warming of the water to the point where the listeners didn't realize it was boiling and they were in the pot. | ||
| That sort of thing. | ||
| I think he's doing sort of a similar thing but in reverse now. | ||
| And because we have such an awareness of Alex and how he works and how he operates, I think you can see from these three days here in January 2019 the de-escalation of that boiling water. | ||
| Not necessarily to let people out of the pot. | ||
| I don't know how to make that metaphor work, honestly. | ||
| In reverse. | ||
| I don't know. | ||
| The closest would be out of the frying pan into the fire, but even then, you're still in trouble with that metaphor. | ||
| One of the things that I'm super interested in, and because we're recording this here on Thursday, I don't have access to much more of Alex's. | ||
| Wednesday was kind of boring and inconsequential. | ||
| Big picture. | ||
| But, like, I'm interested to see where he goes. | ||
| Like, he has people like Owen Benjamin who are hosting the fourth hour. | ||
| And to me, that's kind of uninteresting as an influence. | ||
| Like, I think Owen Benjamin's a stupid asshole and not funny. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
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But, like, I don't see him as being someone who's going to be able to mold Alex. | |
| but if he were to get in with let's say those people who do Red Ice TV or something like that those are people who could drift Alex strongly towards overt White supremacist, white nationalist shit. | ||
| I was going to say, that seems like his only angle is to go full white supremacist. | ||
| That's possible. | ||
| The other possibility is that we could see a marked resurgence of the old guests who seem to have been laying low. | ||
| People like Paul Craig Roberts. | ||
| People like Peter Schiff. | ||
| We could see a lot of these guys who were really prominent figures in 2015 start to show back up as Alex tries to refocus on the Federal Reserve, the globalist, as opposed to it being a Trump defense show. | ||
| A lot of these guys who used to be his sources, like I said, he can't go back to Webster Tarpley, he can't go back to Pajanik, he can't go back to Wayne Madsen, but he has options from his old roster if he apologizes to them. | ||
| I think that's one possibility that I'd be interested in seeing, because I think that dynamic would be fascinating, because those people would take a real fucking we told you so kind of approach, and Alex might get really mad about that. | ||
| The other possibility is something I'm more afraid of, but I think would be more interesting. | ||
| And that is Alex going to the like overt Nazi route, which is possible. | ||
| I don't know, but it can't like it. | ||
| that's the problem with not being able to go home again. | ||
| Right. | ||
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Because if he tries to go home to his old guests, Right. | |
| they've changed and he's changed since then. | ||
| So trying to go back there is trying to create a future that can't be. | ||
| It's a warped version of the past that will only make both parties kind of disappointed by what they're experiencing. | ||
| I think that could lead him also towards then going to the, like, red ice people. | ||
| I don't know. | ||
| On the other hand, you could say that, once again, we get an insight into the weakest link of the chain. | ||
| You know, like, Alex was so hard into Trump. | ||
| That now his pivot has to be so fast. | ||
| Whereas you have people like Fox News, where they're starting to be like, maybe we shouldn't be with this guy. | ||
| And because they were far more gradual to it and still attempted to kind of mitigate it to some extent, their decline is going to be similarly slower. | ||
| I don't want to disagree with you, necessarily, because I think your idea is interesting, and I think that's entirely possible. | ||
| But from where I'm sitting, I think that Alex has to be more gradual, and I think Fox News, when they jump, could go much harder, 90-degree angle. | ||
| I think that they could take a pivot really fast, and I think people would kind of not see it. | ||
| I think that because of the flashiness of their graphics, their production design, their ability to distract, and the fact that they're better at their jobs. | ||
| Right. | ||
| That's true. | ||
| Hannity does, or Tucker, any of them, they do an hour show that's edited. | ||
| It's not live. | ||
| They're reading scripts. | ||
| And there's always graphics on the screen. | ||
| There's an ability for them to make hard turns that sometimes people don't see or experience as being that hard because they're distracted by it. | ||
| Most of the people who are listening to Alex just have his words. | ||
| And even if they're watching the video, it's not like they have chyrons and graphics up everywhere. | ||
| Alex will call for the document cam sometimes, and then you get to see a piece of paper on his desk. | ||
| That's good stuff, though. | ||
| It's not that great. | ||
| See, I don't think Alex has the same ability to sort of hypnotize and manipulate people. | ||
| Like, he has just his words mostly to go on. | ||
| I don't know. | ||
| You could be right, or I could be... | ||
| I don't know. | ||
| I don't think either of us are staking a strong position on it, but... | ||
| I think something that would be really interesting, but I actually think is impossible, is the idea that Alex could become a voice of, like... | ||
| We lost our way, or something like that. | ||
| I don't think he'd ever do it, but I think that there would be some value for propaganda purposes in humility. | ||
| Like some sort of, I don't know how he'd get to the place necessarily, but some sort of penitence of like, we lost our way, we had our principles. | ||
| Ron Paul was who I always loved, and I got seduced away from it. | ||
| Could even go with his hero's journey that he likes to put himself into. | ||
| He could do that and be like, look, it seemed like the right thing to do. | ||
| It seemed like the best way to attack the globalists. | ||
| This guy, Roger Stone, fucked me over. | ||
| He's going to prison. | ||
| I've seen the error of my ways. | ||
| I know he was lying to me the whole time. | ||
| I beg of you. | ||
| I'm a voice in the wilderness coming to you saying, we fucked up. | ||
| Do you remember how great it was when the Tea Party was going on? | ||
| Do you remember how much life we felt in those midterms in 2010 when we started to gain seats? | ||
| Do you remember what it felt like to have this resurgence, end the Fed, anti-tax movement going on that got warped? | ||
| It got bastardized. | ||
| We I'm begging you to come back. | ||
| Come back! | ||
| I don't think it would work, but I think it would be interesting as a character. | ||
| Now, I would actually say your best move there is we did this for the right reasons. | ||
| Totally. | ||
| And we got two Supreme Court justices in there. | ||
| You know, like, hey, say what you want. | ||
| Say what you want about it. | ||
| Well, 2009, Alex Jones wouldn't be into those Supreme Court justices because one of them's a neocon and the other's a dick. | ||
| But all of them have to get a win out of this. | ||
| Sure, what we elected was a fucking moron. | ||
| But guess what we got? | ||
| We got two Supreme Court justices. | ||
| We got the absolute destruction of the Consumer Financial Protection Bureau. | ||
| The tax code is gone. | ||
| You can snatch victory out of the jaws of defeat. | ||
| A little bit that way, certainly. | ||
| You could do something like that, but I want the character to be penitent. | ||
| Because I think that's an interesting... | ||
| Like, voice. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| And especially for Alex to embody it. | ||
| For Alex, it would be astonishing. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| It would be a sort of logical but unlikely progression for his character. | ||
| I think most likely we're going to see, like, severe radicalization because him trying to go home isn't going to work. | ||
| I think he's going to have to try and find a new home. | ||
| And that new home, in terms of the internet conspiracy sphere and all that world, he's either got to go, like, QAnon shit and that's... | ||
| Clearly something he's not into and isn't viable. | ||
| The only other world there really is outright white nationalist, white supremacist Nazis. | ||
| And he believes the same things as them. | ||
| He just... | ||
| Yeah, he's outclassed on all fronts, though, because he's still not going to be able to do white nationalism as good as out-and-out white nationalists are doing. | ||
| No, but he does have a bigger platform than a lot of them, so he could elevate them, and they would hero-worship him because of that gatekeeper-ish thing where he has these millions of people who listen to him. | ||
| Yeah, that's true. | ||
| So I think there's a possibility there. | ||
| I don't know. | ||
| That'd be interesting. | ||
| It's always difficult for us to try and predict the future and all that, and I don't really like that game too much. | ||
| It's fun to speculate a little, but... | ||
| We can only go on what he's saying in the present and provide context that we have from the past. | ||
| Of course. | ||
| Now, we have a couple more clips here from the 29th, which again is Tuesday. | ||
| On this show, Alex has clearly indicated that Roger Stone's time is done. | ||
| Alex wants to go back. | ||
| He wants to be where he felt comfortable before, where his identity wasn't tied to Trump, and he could talk about all the stuff that he's always been right about. | ||
| He wants to be that again. | ||
| And I wouldn't take it all that seriously, probably. | ||
| Because he's a liar. | ||
| And he may have killed a guy. | ||
| And even the emotional pleas and the sort of things that you think you're seeing in him could sometimes be... | ||
| You could trick yourself if you're giving a generous reading of what he's saying or doing. | ||
| You could trick yourself into thinking like, oh, isn't that interesting? | ||
| What sealed the deal for me is this. | ||
| Well, William Gein heads up Alipac.us, one of the largest, strongest, no-compromise groups defending our sovereignty. | ||
| But now, he's had one like 10 years ago. | ||
| He hasn't been on in a couple of years. | ||
| Everything he's talked about and others have talked about has come true. | ||
| The UN funding and world government trying to collapse our borders. | ||
| It's just gotten crazy. | ||
| And he had a big article that went viral at Alipac.us. | ||
| And at GeinReport.com. | ||
| Why I want Ann Coulter to run for president in 2020. | ||
| So here to break down what's behind this idea is William Gein. | ||
| William, good to have you with us. | ||
| Hey, Alex. | ||
| It's great to be back after a long time. | ||
| You know, you've been through a lot since the last time I got to talk to you. | ||
| I just wanted to thank you real quick for hanging in there and really continue what you're doing. | ||
| I think you've red-pilled more people in the country than anyone else. | ||
| So he's having a guy on who he hasn't had on in years. | ||
| He's a guy named William Gein who runs this political action committee, the American Legal Immigration. | ||
| Political Action Committee. | ||
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| And he is a vociferous anti-immigration guy. | ||
| He is a super fucked up, like, keep them out. | ||
| Keep the Browns out. | ||
| That sort of guy. | ||
| Now, he wrote an article about wanting Ann Coulter to primary Trump in 2020. | ||
| Alex would never have this person on his show if he still had any interest. | ||
| I can't imagine that. | ||
| Anybody who voices even milquetoast criticism of Trump, Alex will shout down, he'll like, ah, what the fuck, let's go to break, or whatever. | ||
| It doesn't exist on his show. | ||
| Valid criticisms of Trump do not exist. | ||
| Or even invalid criticisms, quite frankly. | ||
| Ones that are given, he never gives time to criticisms of Trump. | ||
| Without challenging them and attacking the person who's delivering them. | ||
| William Gein goes on the show. | ||
| Listen to this shit. | ||
| It doesn't mean I really don't want Trump to win re-election, but I think you're saying get Coulter to start talking about running to get Trump back on the straight and narrow? | ||
| Well, even if she needs to run, I don't think that it would be harmful for us to have a healthy GOP primary based on the issues and hold Trump accountable. | ||
| And there's a wide variation of people who do and do not support what I'm doing right now. | ||
| Me, personally, I will never vote for Donald Trump again. | ||
| I don't care if he's running against the socialist Oscar Cortez or whatever her name is. | ||
| I can't vote for him again because I feel very betrayed. | ||
| So it felt great during the campaign and at the inauguration to hear things that I've been saying for years echoing off the walls of the White House and to have some hope. | ||
| So he feels betrayed by Trump and he'll never vote for him again. | ||
| Alex wouldn't let this on his show a month ago? | ||
| That's absurd. | ||
| That's crazy to think about. | ||
| And even the idea that he's starting out this interview by saying, you know, maybe it's a good idea to have Ann Coulter run to get Trump back in line or whatever. | ||
| If he'd read the article... | ||
| That William Gein had written. | ||
| That was posted, reposted on InfoWars. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| He wouldn't think that that was the premise. | ||
| He knows who this guy is. | ||
| This strikes me as a C. It's the soft launch. | ||
| No. | ||
| The first production meeting InfoWars has had in ten years. | ||
| Like, legit, this is when Alex got together with his dad and Buckley. | ||
| And they for real talked about it. | ||
| You guys got William's number? | ||
| We can't do this anymore. | ||
| Find me a guy who's going to say, we're the most whatever it is we think we are, and Trump is not that anymore. | ||
| Trump didn't bring us to the party. | ||
| We brought Trump to the party. | ||
| It's exactly what he said the day before, and now Trump has betrayed us. | ||
| Alex is allowing this guy to express these opinions on the show because it's what he wants to say but can't yet. | ||
| So he wants to introduce it into the rhetoric of his show. | ||
| It's very important for him in terms of being able to pivot, being able to transition, have this unhostile conversation with someone who's like, Fuck it. | ||
| Trump abandoned us. | ||
| I've always been... | ||
| I loved it in the campaign to hear stuff I love to hear. | ||
| I loved that, and that's why we voted for him. | ||
| Now, it's unfortunate, because this guy, William Gein, is a big old piece of shit. | ||
| Also, he knows Alexandria Ocasio-Cortez's name. | ||
| Go fuck yourself. | ||
| You don't make it more obvious that you... | ||
| Do know her name than when you're like... | ||
| No, no, no. | ||
| Oh, it's Oscar Cortez or whatever her name is. | ||
| But I like that. | ||
| You fucking know her name. | ||
| But I like that. | ||
| Shut the fuck up. | ||
| I like to hear stuff like that. | ||
| Anyways, yeah, yeah. | ||
| Because that indicates fear. | ||
| Yeah, exactly. | ||
| And people like these... | ||
| 100%. | ||
| They are terrified of her. | ||
| Exactly. | ||
| And, you know, rightfully so. | ||
| But... | ||
| It's important that Alex is letting this on his show. | ||
| That's super important. | ||
| I agree. | ||
| The second thing that's really important is, at the end there, he's like, we voted for Trump because I heard these things in the campaign that inspired me. | ||
| And a lot of people would like to present the idea. | ||
| Alex tries to present this idea. | ||
| He said he was going to get out of the TPP. | ||
| He was going to fight the globalists. | ||
| But William Gein is a fucking dick. | ||
| And he said we were going to have whites-only bathrooms again, and now we don't! | ||
| William Gein spells it out. | ||
| We did not elect Donald Trump to make DACA permanent. | ||
| We elected Donald Trump because he promised us illegal immigrants, including DACA dreamers, had to leave the country. | ||
| Wow, you're bad. | ||
| We have a country or we don't. | ||
| He told us the illegals had to leave. | ||
| He told us he was going to form a deportation force. | ||
| He's doing none of these things. | ||
| He's actually doing something 180 degrees different than that. | ||
| He promised us recently, read me, just before the midterm elections, where a lot of voters like me did not get excited about things, that he was going to end birthright citizenship through an executive order. | ||
| Didn't do it. | ||
| He told us recently he was going to declare a state of an emergency to get the wall built. | ||
| His bigotry is disappointing to me. | ||
| I heard during the campaign that this guy was a fucking rampant white nationalist, and it turns out... | ||
| We got bamboozled by a pro. | ||
| We, instead of getting a 100% white nationalist, we got like a 75% white nationalist, and that's not what I voted for. | ||
| And the response here is interesting, because Alex is kind of like, yeah, you know what? | ||
| You're right. | ||
| You're right. | ||
| Like, there's a part at the end of the interview where Alex is even like, yeah, you know, we're all caught up on the wall, but this amnesty issue is really more important. | ||
| Even if they build the wall... | ||
| You know, there's gonna be still immigrants here. | ||
| It's like, holy shit, Alex! | ||
| Wow! | ||
| Jesus. | ||
| Wow! | ||
| So not only is this a very jovial, friendly interview with this guy who's denouncing Trump and saying that he needs to be primaried by Ann fucking Coulter in 2020, someone who Alex in the past has been... | ||
| At times embracing of, but at other times also been like... | ||
| Very petty towards. | ||
| This woman's a monster! | ||
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| Sort of shit. | ||
| I would imagine that if we were to really go back through the archives, you could find a lot of... | ||
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Terrible. | |
| Takes on her appearance. | ||
| Yes. | ||
| Takes on her appearance to an exhaustive degree. | ||
| That also bat for the cycle. | ||
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Yeah, yeah, yeah. | |
| In terms of misogyny. | ||
| And I hate Ann Coulter, and I'd still be like, Jesus, man! | ||
| So, I think what's important here is that I don't think that Alex really necessarily even supports what William Gein is saying. | ||
| I think he's using him as a more extreme guest that will allow him to have a moderate position working away from Trump. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| So, I think... | ||
| I think... | ||
| I don't know. | ||
| At the end here, I just think... | ||
| I can't sum it up better than I hear Alex wanting this not to be real anymore. | ||
| What he's done, what he's been involved in... | ||
| Like, he just realizes that he's reached the end of it. | ||
| The party's over. | ||
| The lights have come on. | ||
| And it's not fun. | ||
| You're there until five in the morning. | ||
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And it's like, hey, baby shark. | |
| Everything's like fun at two in the morning. | ||
| And then at five, you still think it's fun. | ||
| Lights come on. | ||
| You realize no one's dancing with you. | ||
| The party is over. | ||
| All your friends are gone. | ||
| They don't like you anymore because you punched them at 3 a.m. | ||
| You're just fucked. | ||
| It's 5 a.m., and now you've got to fucking sober up. | ||
| You've got to go get some Gatorade, whatever. | ||
| Like, metaphorical Gatorade. | ||
| Alex has got to figure it out, get his life right. | ||
| And that's all I hear. | ||
| That's why, to me, compared to the ISIS night. | ||
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Yeah. | |
| ISIS up the asshole. | ||
| The ISIS up the asshole. | ||
| The ISIS night. | ||
| It will always be remembered as Dirty Asshole Night. | ||
| This is why the production meeting part of it, this is why that, like... | ||
| Well, and it stretched three days. | ||
| Right, but what I'm saying is, that night was emotional, Alex. | ||
| Shooting from the cuff. | ||
| Telling Rob to turn off that camera. | ||
| Yeah, of course when they go home the next day, the people around him are like, you can't do that, we gotta amend this. | ||
| Whereas this turn is more likely to stick. | ||
| It's natural. | ||
| Because... | ||
| The people around him who otherwise would have said, no, no, no, no, you can't be doing this, are now saying, how do we do this? | ||
| Not, you can't be doing this. | ||
| How do we maneuver this? | ||
| Exactly. | ||
| We maneuver it by softly cutting off Roger. | ||
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Don't. | |
| It would serve nobody. | ||
| I'm going to have to think about layoffs. | ||
| I'm not just saying I'm going to lay off Roger because he was indicted and he's probably going to go to jail. | ||
| But, I mean, hey, Paul Watson, he might go, but not him because he's not indicted and he's not going to jail. | ||
| I don't pay John Bowne anything, so he's sticking around. | ||
| I don't. | ||
| He doesn't pay John Bowne anything. | ||
| It would serve nobody's purposes for him to come on air and be like, fuck Roger Stone, that guy's a piece of shit. | ||
| Or anything like that. | ||
| It would be too abrupt, and it also would hurt Roger. | ||
| It'd be fun for us. | ||
| Sure. | ||
| But also, Roger's a rat fucker, so he would then start talking shit about hours. | ||
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Oh, yeah, yeah, yeah. | |
| So it just doesn't work. | ||
| That strategy would be a non-starter. | ||
| So the idea of being like, behind the scenes, I would assume it's like, Roger, we're going to work through this, but fuck you. | ||
| I imagine there has to be something like that, because you see this presented on the show. | ||
| It's consistent over the course of three days. | ||
| I am fucking sick and tired of being tied to these dudes. | ||
| It's as close as it gets to a shoot promo. | ||
| Like CM Punk's pipe bomb promo. | ||
| We are not paying Roger Stone hush money. | ||
| This is a severance package that he negotiated way in advance. | ||
| It's amazing how much money we're giving him while he's not working here. | ||
| It's not hush money to be cool with people so they don't... | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| That's just kind of a good strategy when you're working with shitheads. | ||
| Oh, if you're working with Roger Stone, this is like a minefield that you don't even know if you can make it through. | ||
| Yeah, yeah. | ||
| But you can make it through if he's probably going to be in prison soon. | ||
| That's when you bail on him. | ||
| That's when you're free. | ||
| Alex is free in a way that he hasn't been for three years. | ||
| Oh my god, the most important thing for Alex right now is whether or not Roger Stone's gag order gets enforced. | ||
| Not really. | ||
| It's just a matter of time. | ||
| I don't mean, obviously I was being hyperbolic. | ||
| But I mean, if Roger's gag order does get enforced, Alex is free. | ||
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There's nothing Roger can do that isn't a crime! | |
| Well, somewhat. | ||
| I mean, if the gag order is enforced, then Alex is free to just move on. | ||
| He doesn't have to be afraid of whatever Roger might do. | ||
| Exactly. | ||
| But it doesn't really free him up to sell Roger out or anything like that. | ||
| Because I also think that wouldn't work for his interests. | ||
| I think that there's one path to go down that is blame everything on Roger. | ||
| Right. | ||
| And I think that's interesting. | ||
| I think that's what he should do. | ||
| Right. | ||
| But it also implies a gullibility and a weakness in himself. | ||
| That he can't allow. | ||
| Right. | ||
| I accept that. | ||
| Maintaining the status quo of Roger's innocence is getting railroaded by the globalists. | ||
| Right. | ||
| Now let's talk exclusively about the globalists. | ||
| Fuck Trump, who gives a shit about him. | ||
| You can still maintain... | ||
| A flimsy, performative support for Roger Stone and abandon Trump. | ||
| You can do all of the things you need to do. | ||
| For sure. | ||
| But you can't do them if Roger still has influence over you. | ||
| And when Roger goes to prison or is on his way to prison, you are free. | ||
| That's what I'm saying. | ||
| I'm talking about the gag order as that psychological component of man. | ||
| The moment I don't have to look over my shoulder... | ||
| He can't talk shit about me. | ||
| Yeah, exactly. | ||
| It doesn't matter if I have any obligations to be like, for my audience, I still support Roger Stone. | ||
| The moment I don't have to look over my shoulder... | ||
| Is the moment I'm free. | ||
| Once Roger can't get involved, that's the moment that Alex finally has agency over his own narratives again. | ||
| So there is something to that. | ||
| I don't know. | ||
| Look, I don't know what the future holds, but these days this week have been eye-opening for me. | ||
| It really has been. | ||
| It's been very difficult to listen to and... | ||
| I mean, certainly there's a lot of stuff I had to look into, like a lot of articles and studies and reports about vaccines, because I wanted to talk about that a little bit as Alex was bringing it up. | ||
| Absolutely. | ||
| But beyond that, wrestling with the emotional pieces of this, it's tough. | ||
| It's tough. | ||
| I've not seen anything like this from him in a long... | ||
| Long fucking time. | ||
| Not even the night where he cried in the Dirty Asshole Night. | ||
| Yeah, yeah, yeah. | ||
| Not anything close to that. | ||
| The Dirty Asshole Night. | ||
| This is sincere. | ||
| This is protracted. | ||
| This is intentional. | ||
| December 25th. | ||
| The year of our Lord Dirty Asshole Night. | ||
| If he had said that Roger Stone shoves ISIS up their dirty assholes, or the equivalent. | ||
| Ooh, that'd be fun. | ||
| Or the equivalent. | ||
| Yeah, yeah, yeah. | ||
| If he had lashed out at Roger in some way, I'd be like, ha ha, look at this, isn't this funny? | ||
| It'd be an emotional thing that he's going to walk back. | ||
| Right. | ||
| This is subdued. | ||
| It's natural. | ||
| There's a path to it. | ||
| And I think it indicates very strongly that whatever happens in the next week or whatever, he's done. | ||
| Alex is done talking to Roger and having him run the show. | ||
| It's back to Alex. | ||
| And we will see if he is still able to do that. | ||
| God damn it! | ||
| The problem with that prediction is that this prediction episode... | ||
| Like, the way that your predictions have nailed it this episode... | ||
| Belies our constant truth of, we think Alex is going to do this thing. | ||
| We're often wrong. | ||
| Tomorrow he's gonna... | ||
| We're going to talk about Somali pirates! | ||
| Right. | ||
| We're like, I don't know! | ||
| Well, but that's also an indication, I think, of how unpredictable he was in 2009, as opposed to in 2019, 2018. | ||
| He's so predictable. | ||
| Right. | ||
| I meant metaphorical Somali pirates. | ||
| But if Alex is getting back to where he was in days past, he might just be as unpredictable as he used to be, and I'm excited for that. | ||
| You know what I like about Roger? | ||
| He reminds me so much of the Somali pirates, and you gotta give it up to those rat fuckers. | ||
| I hate Alex Jones. | ||
| I think he's a piece of shit, a monster, a white supremacist, a white nationalist, a bigot of all orders. | ||
| Like, he really is. | ||
| He's a monstrous, bad influence in society. | ||
| But, that being said, I will always prefer pre-Trump Alex. | ||
| To Trump Alex. | ||
| 100. | ||
| There is a distinct difference between them, not on an ethical standpoint, but on a I'm interested in this standpoint. | ||
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| And to see any kind of resurgence where Alex is feeling like I want to go back to who I used to be, I'm never going to be against it. | ||
| I'm still going to be here to punch you, metaphorically, politically. | ||
| I'm still going to be there to, like, yell at you and talk about how fucking stupid you are. | ||
| But thank you, Alex. | ||
| Thank you for indicating that you want to come back. | ||
| Two straight present-day episodes that did not begin with... | ||
| Alex in the present day is so boring. | ||
| I want to go back to 2009. | ||
| No. | ||
| Two straight episodes. | ||
| I know, and it's fucked up, too. | ||
| And it's fucked up, too, because I have so many things that have been in the works, and we have other things that we have been planning that are big episodes that we're planning, and they all got thrown off by Roger Stone getting indicted. | ||
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| The timing of the world just works as it works, and we are servants of it. | ||
| Sometimes you just got to let go and let God, Dan. | ||
| Yep. | ||
| We have to accept what comes, and the episodes that we do will be what we do. | ||
| We'll talk about it at the beginning of the next episode, but if you're still listening, next week we're only going to have a Monday and a Friday episode. | ||
| I will be on vacation. | ||
| So please, I don't know, you don't need to forgive us, but it just won't be a Wednesday episode. | ||
| Yeah, that's fine. | ||
| But we will be back on Monday. | ||
| But until then, we have a website. | ||
| Do we? | ||
| Knowledgefight.com. | ||
| Okay. | ||
| All right. | ||
| What if you found us on Twitter? | ||
| You do that. | ||
| How could you find us on Twitter? | ||
| Knowledge underscore fight. | ||
| Knowledge underscore fight. | ||
| Also, thank you to Robert Evans over at Behind the Bastards. | ||
| Earlier this week, he had to announce that he didn't have an episode for the end of the week, and someone got sassy with him, and his response was, why don't you check out Knowledge Fight? | ||
| Super awesome. | ||
| I really appreciate that. | ||
| Thank you very much, Robert. | ||
| What a cool fucking guy. | ||
| That is a... | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| What a cool guy. | ||
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Isn't it interesting? | |
| We talked to him for two hours and he's a fucking cool guy. | ||
| Isn't it really weird to be at a point where two years ago we started this and no one gave a shit and now someone who we respect and I like his show quite a bit is just out of nowhere recommending our show to people. | ||
| That's very cool. | ||
| It's very cool. | ||
| And it couldn't have happened without all of you listening. | ||
| And we appreciate it. | ||
| Especially the members of our Facebook group, which you could join. | ||
| It's called Go Home and Tell Your Mother You're Brilliant. | ||
| That's correct. | ||
| And we're also on iTunes. | ||
| You can leave a review that mentions Bill Cooper if you like. | ||
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It's been very popular. | |
| But beyond that, man, I would say that... | ||
| Oh, boy. | ||
| I think that General Stubblebine probably... | ||
| No, he was in the military for 32 years. | ||
| He totally killed a guy! | ||
| What the fuck? | ||
| What are you talking about? | ||
| Here's who I'll say. | ||
| I will tell you this right now. | ||
| I was just scrolling through and I saw Stubblebine's name and I'm like, well, he just sort of thought he could walk through walls. | ||
| He never killed anybody. | ||
| He was in the military for 30 fucking years. | ||
| Never mind. | ||
| I will tell you this right now. | ||
| The spider leadership... | ||
| That doesn't exist. | ||
| That does not exist has definitely never killed a guy. | ||
| I agree with you. | ||
| Although they do sing. | ||
| Yum-yum. | ||
| Yum-yum time. | ||
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Yum-yum time before they metaphorically imagine they came. | |
| It's one guy who technically probably killed a dude. | ||
| That's Alex Jones. | ||
| Andy in Kansas, you're on the air. | ||
| Thanks for holding. | ||
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Hello, Alex. | |
| I'm a first-time caller. | ||
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I'm a huge fan. | |
| I love your work. |