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Dec. 28, 2018 - Knowledge Fight
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#245: December 24, 2018

Today, Dan and Jordan skip the family festivities and decide to celebrate Christmas Eve with Alex Jones. The gents expected Alex to be getting super religious and weird, but instead they find him admitting to a possible crime, wielding an hatchet on air, and barely talking about Christmas at all. It was a strange holiday for all.

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alex jones
16:02
d
dan friesen
01:06:49
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jordan holmes
27:21
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roger stone
01:46
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pastor david manning
00:02
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Speaker Time Text
alex jones
Andy in Kansas, you're on the air.
Thanks for holding.
unidentified
Hello, Alex.
I'm a first-time caller.
I'm a huge fan.
I love your work.
alex jones
I love you.
dan friesen
Hey, everybody.
Welcome back to Knowledge Fight.
I am Dan.
jordan holmes
I'm Jordan.
dan friesen
We're a couple dudes like to sit around, drink novelty beverages, and talk a wee bit about Alex Jones.
jordan holmes
Oh, indeed we are, Dan.
dan friesen
Yes, sir.
Hey, buddy.
jordan holmes
When was the last time you got us some sweet new chairs?
dan friesen
I just did.
Well, actually, thank you to my parents for a Christmas present.
They sent me a couple of new office chairs.
Spoiler alert, our old ones that we were using were a disaster.
I'd had for probably seven to eight years.
The cat scratched them to shit.
They were just falling apart.
Yours didn't lean back.
jordan holmes
I would go home covered in little bits of the leather.
dan friesen
The black lining of the chair.
Yeah, it was horrible.
But we're now entering a new phase, and 2019 will be the year of the new chairs.
jordan holmes
Indeed!
Hell yeah!
dan friesen
Which is a bizarre thing to be celebrating, but we do.
So, this is a podcast where I know a lot about Alex Jones.
jordan holmes
And chairs, and I don't know anything but what you tell me about both.
dan friesen
Indeed, and that is the fun of this here show.
Jordan, today we've got a fun episode in front of us.
We're talking about Alex Jones' Christmas Eve Spectacular 2018.
jordan holmes
Nope.
unidentified
Uh-uh.
jordan holmes
Nope.
Nope.
unidentified
Uh-uh.
jordan holmes
What is this, a Bill Murray Christmas all over again?
Hell no.
dan friesen
Alex took Christmas off.
unidentified
Of course.
jordan holmes
Well, good for him.
dan friesen
Did a rebroadcast on Christmas.
jordan holmes
He believes in the Lord.
dan friesen
David Knight filled in on Wednesday.
And then on Thursday...
jordan holmes
Of course he did.
He doesn't have anywhere to go.
unidentified
No.
dan friesen
Owen Schroyer, I think, did Thursday.
And then Alex is due back in studio on Friday when this episode will come out.
But, of course, we won't be able to have listened to it by the time our podcast comes out.
So what we have is Christmas Eve.
And Alex Jones is a weirdo on Christmas Eve, which is to be expected.
unidentified
Yeah, yeah, yeah.
dan friesen
Do you know who's now a weirdo?
jordan holmes
Our new donors?
dan friesen
Yes, that's correct.
jordan holmes
Hell yeah!
dan friesen
I'd like to take a minute before we start the show to give a couple thank yous out there to folks who have signed up and are supporting the show.
First of all, I'd like to say, Alex, not Alex Jones, but Alex, you are now a policy wonk.
alex jones
I'm a policy wonk.
dan friesen
Thank you, Alex.
jordan holmes
Thank you very much, Alex.
dan friesen
Second, I'd like to say thank you to Tommy.
You are now a policy wonk.
alex jones
I'm a policy wonk.
dan friesen
Thank you, Tommy.
jordan holmes
Thank you very much.
It's finally time for Tommy Robinson to really start donating to the show.
dan friesen
Yeah, trying to make good.
jordan holmes
Yeah, yeah, yeah.
He needs to support the fight against him.
dan friesen
Against himself, yeah.
Next, I'd like to say thank you to Brian.
You are now a policy wonk.
alex jones
I'm a policy wonk.
jordan holmes
Thank you very much, Brian.
dan friesen
Lastly, I'd like to say thank you to somebody who has joined on a little bit of a higher level, but also I'd like to give a special thank you and shout-out to her.
She sent a little tip through PayPal, and I forgot to send an email thanking her, so I will do that right now.
So thank you very much, Christy.
You are now a technocrat.
alex jones
I'm a policy wonk.
unidentified
Four stars.
alex jones
Go home to your mother and tell her you're brilliant.
pastor david manning
Someone sodomite sent me a bucket of poop.
alex jones
Daddy Shark.
Bomp, bomp, bomp, bomp, bomp.
Jar Jar Binks has a Caribbean black accent.
He's a loser little titty baby.
I don't want to hate black people.
I renounce Jesus Christ.
dan friesen
Thank you so much, Christy.
jordan holmes
Thank you very much, Christy.
dan friesen
If you would like to become a policy wonk out there and, you know, support the show, we would appreciate it.
You can do that by going to our website, knowledgefight.com, and clicking that button that says support the show.
jordan holmes
It would be very kind of you.
dan friesen
Now, bringing up knowledgefight.com, I should tell you, I didn't just get this chair, these two chairs for Christmas.
I got another gift that is a gift and a curse and a responsibility, and that is we received a donation that bumped us over into our next Patreon.
Oh, that's dangerous.
Which I have been very vague about for a reason, and that was because I'm terrified to put this out into the world, and now I have to.
So, for a long time, people have been requesting that I write a book, or we write a book about Alex Jones.
And I think that there's a good reason for that, and that is, there's not as much utility in this podcast as I would like there to be.
jordan holmes
Well, yeah.
dan friesen
For the people to get the information that we're putting out into the world, they have to listen to a lot of our podcasts in order to get the information.
unidentified
What?
jordan holmes
We've done like 250 episodes.
dan friesen
Probably more than that at this point.
jordan holmes
We average two to three hours per episode.
There's not that much to listen to.
unidentified
Sure.
dan friesen
It's not the most digestible, usable application or presentation of the information that we're uncovering in the things that we're learning about.
And so one of the things people had suggested was that book idea.
And I think you and I, early on...
We're interested in the idea, but then we sat down and talked about what that would look like, what the structure of it.
And it just seemed like there wasn't a way to make it an engaging and informative book that wouldn't take us both our entire lives.
jordan holmes
Yeah, pretty much.
dan friesen
And we would end up probably killing each other because of the meetings about me using the passive voice.
jordan holmes
No, we wouldn't have had a problem because my theory as to if it actually happened, here's how it would have turned out.
You would have written a book.
And then I would scribble in screams in the margins.
dan friesen
Actually, if we'd come up with that a long time ago, that might have been the way to go.
So I kicked around the idea of what other ways would there be to present the information in a way that people could use.
Let's say you're having an argument with somebody about X, Y, or Z thing, some conservative narrative and shit online.
It's harder to point them to, oh, here's what this is.
Listen to 45 minutes of this podcast and then you'll get to the debunking of X, Y, or Z thing.
jordan holmes
It's pretty fun.
dan friesen
Sure.
And hopefully maybe we'll get a new listener out of it.
But it's not the most helpful.
And so what I decided to do is I decided to start building a wiki.
But then I started to do that and I realized I don't like the wiki structure, necessarily.
I find it very difficult to manage and it's unwieldy.
But I've begun and done most of...
Not most of.
Work is never going to be done.
But...
I've created a database, more or less, of Infowars information.
It's a work in progress, but because we've crossed this goal, I will start posting it.
I'll start making it available on knowledgefight.com.
I hope...
By the first of the year.
My goal is the first of the year it'll go live.
That's sort of the time frame of lead up that I probably need to brush up a few things, polish some edges and what have you.
jordan holmes
Oh yeah.
dan friesen
But there will be a link on knowledgefight.com that will go to our...
Tons of information.
jordan holmes
Well, I am...
dan friesen
I spent a large portion of my time over Christmas compiling and writing a bunch of this stuff up, and I'm very excited to have people see it, but I'm also terrified.
jordan holmes
I am grateful to all the policy wonks who got us to this level, mainly because Dan has been writing this shit for forever, and if you hadn't forced him to put it out...
I don't think he ever would have until he was like 95. Probably.
I'm speaking directly to the policy wonks, of course.
I'm not talking to you, otherwise I would use...
dan friesen
I mean, I think you're probably fairly right.
I would kick the can down the road and be like, well, there's just a little bit more I need to do.
jordan holmes
No, no, no, I could put a little bit more in there.
No, no, no.
dan friesen
So it'll be incomplete from the jump, for sure.
And a lot of it will end up focusing on...
narratives, information, those sorts of things that are more germane to the times that we've studied, like 2009 and 2015, and the Trump conversation.
coming to Trump era.
Yeah.
unidentified
That sort of thing.
dan friesen
There's going to be a lot more of that, but it won't only be that.
And as time goes on, I'm going to continue to add to these databases and stuff like that.
And hopefully in time, it will be a much more thorough...
jordan holmes
It's incomplete the way the Smithsonian Institute is incomplete.
You can't have everything in there.
dan friesen
That's an unfair comparison, but I appreciate what you're saying.
Anyway, that will be coming.
So thank you to everybody who's donated to the show and supported us and forced my hand on this.
We will see.
But that is to come.
What is to come today...
Christmas Eve 2018.
jordan holmes
Hey, there we go.
dan friesen
So Alex is in studio.
He's in a bit of a weird mood.
And I have this first clip I'm going to play is a little bit long because...
jordan holmes
Is it him reenacting the entire Christmas story?
dan friesen
It's him singing The First Noel.
unidentified
The First Noel.
jordan holmes
I would watch an InfoWars Nativity play all day.
dan friesen
Well, see, here's the thing.
Jordan, a bunch of people...
It's not fair to say a bunch, but...
I got some field reports from people that they had sightings of Alex on the ground in Tulsa.
jordan holmes
Boots on the ground in Tulsa?
dan friesen
Boots on the ground in Tulsa.
jordan holmes
I thought GW wasn't going to do that.
dan friesen
Everyone was like, what the fuck is Alex Jones doing in Tulsa?
jordan holmes
Good question.
dan friesen
Turns out he explains here in this first clip and then tells a meandering bizarre story that I can't...
I cannot believe is true about going to see a movie with his wife's family.
alex jones
When I tell stories like this, I don't do it to brag.
I do it to give the listeners and viewers all across the U.S. and all across the world the positive news.
dan friesen
That means he's about to brag.
jordan holmes
No.
alex jones
When I see negative stuff, I tell you about it.
When I see positive things, I talk about it.
I went up to Omaha, Nebraska to spend the last few days with my...
dan friesen
I said Tulsa.
I'm sorry.
jordan holmes
You meant Omaha, Nebraska.
I apologize.
Okay, I got you.
alex jones
Wife.
My second wife.
My real wife.
My awesome wife.
Father, who's had some heart problems and things.
So she was up there taking him to clinics and hospitals and things.
And at the same time, visiting time with her father.
So I had a lot of time by myself to poke around the real Rust Belt.
It's still a beautiful city in many ways.
Omaha, Nebraska.
jordan holmes
Is it?
alex jones
And then my wife hadn't seen The Mule.
I had seen it with some friends about a week and a half ago, so I said, let's take your dad to a movie.
dan friesen
So we've got to pause already.
First of all, Omaha is a fine town.
I've been there.
It's a nice place.
Second of all, Alex is like, I'm so busy fighting the info war, I'm going to see The Mule a second time.
unidentified
Yeah.
dan friesen
Okay.
jordan holmes
What?
It's directed by Clint Eastwood.
I assume it's about the main villain of Second Foundation by Asimov.
What don't you like?
dan friesen
I'm just saying, if you have time to go see a movie twice, you've got some leisure in your life.
That's all I'm saying.
jordan holmes
All right.
alex jones
So we got in there and got him out of the car and got him in the movie because he has trouble walking.
jordan holmes
I've been poisoning him.
alex jones
I'd already seen the movie.
We'd eaten dinner way early.
I wanted a hot dog and some nachos.
So I go out there at like 8 o 'clock at night.
We eat at about 5. And I get the fast food.
And I get the hot dog.
And I get the nachos.
And all of a sudden, everybody behind the counter wants to take pictures and shake my hand.
And the manager comes out.
Now, by the time I do that, more people come.
And I'm like, okay, that's like 20 people.
Everyone that comes in here.
Because it wasn't that busy.
Everybody was in the movies.
It was in between.
The film's letting out.
And I'm like, I gotta get out of here.
I gotta get back to the movie.
My wife's gonna wonder where I am.
I've been out here 20 minutes.
I'm trying to eat the nachos while I'm shaking hands and taking photos.
More people come up.
It's almost everyone.
So, I probably take 25, 30 photographs, sign autographs.
They're pulling out gadgets and flags out of the back of the movie theater.
It's the big fancy mega mall they built there.
It's all real modern.
dan friesen
Like the Gadsden flag.
alex jones
Very modern.
Nice theater in Omaha.
So I go back in.
My wife's like, where have you been?
I go, I got mobbed outside.
We go out.
jordan holmes
Why do you smell like alcohol?
alex jones
20 minutes later at the end of the movie.
jordan holmes
I didn't tell that part of the story.
alex jones
And there are 50 people or more.
Mainly Generation Z, high school men and women.
Young people.
Young adults.
And it's just crazy.
And we're like, hey, I got to get her dad outside.
And as we go outside, I'm walking through the night and more people are running in saying, Alex Jones, Alex Jones, Alex Jones.
I was flash mobbed.
And people say, well, why didn't you videotape it?
Good question.
You're trying to hide.
Alex, that's a good question.
I'm a celebrity.
Leave me alone.
The good news is I got flash mobbed in Omaha, Nebraska.
In the middle of nowhere, just trying to get a hot dog and cheese nachos.
dan friesen
That's not the middle of nowhere, but...
jordan holmes
Oh, Omaha, Nebraska?
dan friesen
Yeah, it's not.
jordan holmes
A real city?
dan friesen
Yeah.
I just contest every detail of that story, except for that her dad probably has mobility problems.
That's the only part of that story that I'm like, yeah, all right, I'm going to go ahead.
jordan holmes
All I thought was improv everywhere's reach has gotten too far.
dan friesen
Yeah, they're in Omaha.
jordan holmes
They're literally everywhere now.
dan friesen
I don't know.
First of all, I would say, Alex, hot dogs or nachos.
That's what I would say first of all.
You don't need both.
You already said you had dinner three hours earlier.
You don't need to go to the goddamn concession stand.
By the way, not fast food.
That is a movie theater hot dog.
jordan holmes
That was a movie theater hot dog.
dan friesen
That is just above gas station hot dog.
jordan holmes
Oh boy, that's not good.
dan friesen
I worked at a movie theater for five years.
I have a lot of expertise in this world.
jordan holmes
Yeah.
dan friesen
I also just don't believe any of this stuff.
This is just another one of his, I'm so popular.
jordan holmes
Yeah, I don't know why it is that he is telling this story.
Other than to, like, preemptively make sure his wife thinks that he wasn't going to the bar.
dan friesen
He wasn't drinking by a dumpster?
jordan holmes
Yeah, come on.
dan friesen
I would say that it's fascinating to me how, depending on what narrative and what sort of feeling he needs his audience to have, he will tell almost identical stories as that.
I went out in public and everyone mobbed me.
And it'll either be they loved him or they were spitting at him and calling him a Russian.
jordan holmes
Of course!
dan friesen
Depending on whatever he needs.
Tons of people talk to him all the time.
But they're either angry at him or love him, depending on...
He needs to inspire hope or fear.
jordan holmes
It's almost like he has these paranoid projections that are dependent on how he's feeling at the time.
Like, he's feeling good.
He's with his family.
They're enjoying Christmas.
So, all of a sudden, there are so many people surrounding him and they're giving him nothing but love.
Or, if he's feeling bad, like, for instance, he just met with his lawyer, all of a sudden he's going to get mobbed by all of these evil people who are spitting on him.
Oh, they're the devil.
It could just be that they're all in his head.
dan friesen
I think your paranoid projection theory might be right, because he's not done talking about this.
alex jones
How is he not done?
dan friesen
In this next clip, he says things that I think are even less likely than that first one.
alex jones
So, there was hysteria.
Like Elvis Presley was there or something.
Now, again, I'm not building myself up.
jordan holmes
Forgive me.
alex jones
They just see InfoWars as a symbol of standing up to the globalists.
And let me tell you, our flight back...
Just the flight cancellations and things.
We had to go through Denver and then come back.
So it took me all day yesterday to get home.
So, you know, two-hour flight.
It was like a ten-hour fiasco.
In the Denver International Airport.
jordan holmes
Oh, we're not talking about the horse, are we?
alex jones
Appreciate you.
Appreciate you.
jordan holmes
Keep it up.
alex jones
Keep it up.
Everywhere.
I mean, I'm talking like every second person.
Black, white, Hispanic, old, young, foreigners.
You name it.
So the good news to all the listeners and viewers is, I don't know what zeitgeist we've hit.
Or what's going on?
Oh, another thing.
People kept saying, Merry Christmas.
And I'd say, and they'd wink at me.
The flight attendants, the pilots, I mean, I'd take a hidden camera with me and go out in public now and just show this because this is what scares the hell out of the globalists because I'm only a focal point.
I'm a symbol of the liberty movement that they've tried to suppress and demonize and destroy.
But people know the globalists are such liars.
unidentified
Ha!
alex jones
That then it makes them embrace us even more.
It's insane.
dan friesen
That is insane.
jordan holmes
That's insane.
dan friesen
So the notion that he's walking around the Denver International Airport and people are, it's like Fight Club, he says.
And the people are walking up to him and sort of like under their breath, they're like, keep it up.
Keep it up.
I think he's probably imagining some of that.
unidentified
Maybe.
dan friesen
Maybe one guy was too shy to say hello and muttered something to him.
Also, by the way, having people say Merry Christmas to you when they are in the service industry is not surprising.
The idea that stewardesses, or even the pilot, because when you're coming on the plane, they have the cockpit door open.
Sometimes the pilot's a wave at you and stuff.
The idea that they're saying a seasonal greeting is not proof that InfoWars is so...
Powerful.
jordan holmes
No, they're winking at him, too.
That means that they know the code, Dan.
dan friesen
There's also a flirtatious streak in stewardesses, I think.
I found that to be the case anyway.
jordan holmes
It's fun that his white supremacist code is very easy to break.
That is not the windtalkers that we're dealing with here.
Your code for being cool is like...
Merry Christmas, bro.
You got me.
All right.
dan friesen
See that?
See my eye?
jordan holmes
And the rest of the world is like, sure, fine, whatever.
unidentified
We're...
jordan holmes
We're bored with you.
dan friesen
So, Alex, you may be bored.
The rest of the world is enthralled.
It's Beatlemania.
alex jones
Oh, that's true.
dan friesen
At the airport.
jordan holmes
Yes.
Better than Elvis.
dan friesen
In Omaha, somewhere right in middle America, as the Counting Crows would...
jordan holmes
The real America, Dan.
dan friesen
Yeah.
So, that's all good and well.
But while Alex was out of town, something happened to his car that has led him to be in a very weird mood here on Christmas Eve.
alex jones
I was driving into work.
Somebody must have been driving my car while I was gone because it was on NPR.
dan friesen
Who would have been driving your car?
Your kids are not old enough to drive.
Your wife was with you.
Your real wife was with you.
Was Buckley driving your car?
Who else has keys to your car?
jordan holmes
Who could be driving this car?
dan friesen
Does Rob do have keys to your car?
jordan holmes
This is a serious mystery.
unidentified
I need to get to the bottom.
Someone carjacked me and then left my car where I found it, but there was one thing changed.
alex jones
And two songs in a row were anti-war Christmas songs.
War's over if you wanted jingle bells.
And I thought, you know, there's the left.
They're against war.
They hate Trump for pulling out of these murderous wars.
And there he is with criminal justice reform that the Democrats put in to give blacks three times the sentences.
And then Trump fixes it.
They're like, shut up, you Nazi!
Don't let the blacks out of jail!
dan friesen
So that's a little all over the place.
But, you know, someone stole his car and put it on NPR.
And when he got it back in his car, apparently that John Lennon song, Happy Christmas War is over.
And now he's furious about it.
Because these leftists, they are supposed to hate war, but Trump stopped the war.
He stopped war.
jordan holmes
Furthermore.
Furthermore.
Here's my issue with this whole bullshit story.
unidentified
Uh-huh.
jordan holmes
Hold on.
Somebody just snuck NPR onto your car while you were gone.
Somebody else was driving it.
And you get in there being Alex Jones and you notice immediately NPR is on.
And then you listen to a couple of songs.
Man, come on.
I'm Alex Jones.
I'm still going to see what NPR has got to play.
dan friesen
I mean, you'd have to assume that means that NPR has shifted to an FM format or just playing Christmas songs in a block as opposed to it being like interstitial music.
jordan holmes
American life, yeah.
dan friesen
Or all things considered, playing a little Lenin in there.
unidentified
It was just Ezra Koenig singing the song.
dan friesen
So we'll get into the war thing here in a minute, because that's nonsense, but you're particularly confused by this criminal justice reform thing.
jordan holmes
So if I understand correctly, Alex's take on the criminal justice reform bill that passed through Congress was that the Democrats put all this language in there that specifically said, we're going to keep black people...
Specifically, in jail for three times as long as they were before.
dan friesen
He was saying that that was the way it was before.
jordan holmes
Right.
That's what the Democrats did.
And then Trump fixed it by using his...
Incredible power to understand legislative language, right?
dan friesen
And to make the First Step Act happen.
jordan holmes
Oh, absolutely.
dan friesen
So while it's absolutely a good thing that bipartisan legislation passed Congress that would work to ease mandatory minimum sentences and work harder on rehabilitation of offenders instead of punishing them, it's absolutely absurd to give Trump any credit for the First Step Act.
jordan holmes
I think he did it.
dan friesen
For one thing, a ton of the things contained in the bill are things that leftists have been pushing for for a long time.
And actually, in many ways, this is just an extension of things that have been in the works since Obama's term.
From an article in McClatchy, quote, The new law, called the First Step Act, retroactively applies changes Congress made to drug sentencing laws in 2010, which experts say will allow between 4,000 and 6,000 current prisoners to immediately qualify for supervised release programs.
That is to say that in 2010 there was a bill passed.
That sought to undo the damage that was done by the varying sentences for, like, crack and cocaine.
unidentified
Right, right, right.
dan friesen
That sort of thing.
jordan holmes
Varying racist sentences for crack and cocaine.
unidentified
Yes.
dan friesen
Under Obama in 2010, that was passed.
What this bill does, the first step back that is really good, is it makes them retroactive.
Right.
So that is a very positive thing, but it's really just an extension of something that has already been in the works long before Trump, the people on the left have been pushing for for quite a while.
The reason for the varying sentences for coke and crack goes back to the Anti-Drug Abuse Act of 1986, signed into law by Reagan after being passed overwhelmingly by the bipartisan effort.
It was like 90% of both the House and Senate.
Very few people were against it.
jordan holmes
There were also way, way more white people in the House and Senate at the time, and the TV news was hamming up this.
Crack!
The new epidemic taking over the inner cities.
Definitely not regular folk like you and me.
The inner cities.
dan friesen
You can't say that that was a Republican or Democrat initiative in as much as both houses of Congress voted overwhelmingly for it regardless of party.
It's a shame of both parties, quite frankly.
So this bill, oh, one of the things that's been touted as one of the bill's really positive things is that it bans the shackling of pregnant prisoners.
But that was a practice that has already been banned by the Bureau of Prisons in 2008.
unidentified
That really shouldn't have been anything.
dan friesen
Shouldn't have been a conversation.
jordan holmes
I read that in the bill and I'm like, whoa, whoa, whoa, hold on, hold on.
That wasn't already taken care of?
dan friesen
It was.
jordan holmes
At the dawn of humanity?
dan friesen
It was by the Bureau of Prisons in 2008.
It's more fucked up to realize that it wasn't in 2007.
unidentified
Right.
dan friesen
But it's not...
Who knows how well...
I bet they weren't doing a great job of following the BOP guidelines or anything like that.
And it's good to put that into law.
But it was...
Yeah.
jordan holmes
The Boy Scouts had condoms at their parties before we stopped shackling pregnant women.
dan friesen
It is good, but it's also not nearly enough, this bill.
The act only relates to federal prisoners and does literally nothing to fix the wrongful incarceration slash enslavement of far, far more people locked up in state prisons.
Of the estimated 2.3 million prisoners there are in this country, only approximately 180,000 are in federal prisons, over two-thirds of whom are not even eligible for this program.
Which makes the act seem possibly kind of just like lip service to the private prison industry.
All in all, this was a bill that enjoyed largely bipartisan support that Trump did nothing to make happen.
If anything, the argument should be that Jared Kushner pushed for it.
So if Alex wants to praise someone, that's his guy.
The reality is that Trump saw an opportunity to attach himself to something that was universally popular, cost him nothing, and he could use to his advantage, so he did just that.
Now further...
Alex should not be in favor of the First Step Act based on his principles.
For one, it excludes offenders who used firearms in committing of their offenses.
He should believe that this is an unfair demonization of gun owners.
jordan holmes
They're demonizing firearms!
It's the libs!
They're trying to keep our guns in jail!
dan friesen
If you were caught selling crack and you had a gun, you're not eligible for the benefits that will come from the First Step Act.
jordan holmes
That's kind of rude.
dan friesen
Sure, but Alex should be super against that.
jordan holmes
Absolutely.
dan friesen
Plus, the Congressional Budget Office estimates that the plan will cost taxpayers $346 million over the next 10 years, because the released people will be eligible for benefits like SNAP and insurance assistance.
If Obama did something like this, it would be proof of a globalist plot against good, hard-working white citizens, an attempt to flood the streets with criminals in order to set off social unrest and bring in FEMA camps.
It's all nonsense.
jordan holmes
I think he's applying a double standard here.
dan friesen
It feels that way.
jordan holmes
I think he might be...
Applying a double standard.
dan friesen
Now, the issue...
I'm bringing that up because that's the way Alex's rhetoric generally works.
jordan holmes
Yeah.
dan friesen
Obviously, the amount you'll save in not incarcerating these people makes up for the $346 million.
jordan holmes
Of course.
dan friesen
But Alex is a propagandist.
He would use that number against Obama if he had a fucking chance to.
unidentified
Immediately.
jordan holmes
Instantly.
dan friesen
Yeah.
So, anyway.
jordan holmes
He would say...
Actually, he wouldn't use that number.
That number is too small.
He would say, it's going to cost the taxpayers...
Billions upon billions of dollars a year, and that's without knowing that there are rapists and murderers in your community!
dan friesen
And somehow the Federal Reserve is to blame or some shit.
Who knows?
jordan holmes
Actually, that is true.
dan friesen
Who knows?
So, this is all nonsense.
He spends a large portion of the show trying to give Trump credit for this and being like, he's the best!
You know, even if you're a liberal, you gotta love that he did this!
I'm like, well, he did sign it, yeah, but what's he gonna do, veto that?
jordan holmes
Yeah!
That'd be pretty funny.
dan friesen
Is that what you're going to do?
I mean, he should, based on his beliefs, too, based on his track record about law and order and all that stuff Trump should absolutely do.
jordan holmes
He doesn't want to appear soft on innocent people being in jail.
dan friesen
He never has.
jordan holmes
Yeah, he's never done that.
dan friesen
He's absolutely been very hard on innocent people.
jordan holmes
Oh, sure, sure, they're innocent.
Anyways, we need to give the Central Pike Five the death penalty.
I know you say they're innocent because of evidence and I'm a big racist, but...
We don't want to appear weak on the innocent.
dan friesen
That'd be strong.
So all that's a hot load of bullshit.
And Alex, I mean, it's one of those things.
It's like, I hate the way he's lying, but at least he's lying about something that's mostly positive.
Yeah.
jordan holmes
Yeah.
dan friesen
I don't know.
He is also trying to present the idea that, like, Democrats are against the plan, or they have been against it.
jordan holmes
Yeah, I don't understand why.
dan friesen
Well, we'll get into that later, but it's just incredibly infuriating when you look at the reality.
unidentified
But Alex loves Trump.
dan friesen
He's not gotten off the train.
jordan holmes
Yeah.
dan friesen
He's still on board real hard.
And in this next clip, it turns out he also loves Trump's daddy.
alex jones
Yeah, my reputation is amazing because I come from the exact same people, pro-America, anti-communist, that discovered the globalist plan more than 50 years ago, like Fred Trump.
So I've been in the same operation that's organic from the American people, and I'm part of the very same stay-behind network of Americans to challenge the globalists.
And now they are the stay-behind network.
Now they are beginning to be removed.
Now they're beginning to feel our fingers around their throats.
Doesn't matter what knives they shove in our gush.
We got good old boy gush.
Because by the time our eyes roll back in our heads, our enemy will be dead.
jordan holmes
Merry Christmas.
alex jones
They can't stand our spirit.
dan friesen
So yeah, that is Christmas Eve.
jordan holmes
That's a Christmas present.
dan friesen
Absolutely.
jordan holmes
In the name of our dear Lord's birthday, I just want to let everybody know, even though we are being stabbed in the good old boy guts, we're going to choke the life.
dan friesen
The true message of Christ.
Yeah, so far we got lying about criminal justice reform, screaming about killing the globalists, and bragging about getting a hot dog in Tulsa.
jordan holmes
Yeah, yeah, yeah.
Omaha.
dan friesen
I don't know why I'm mixing up those two.
I don't know either.
jordan holmes
So yeah, anyways, this is the Christmas Eve episode, right?
Okay, so I...
dan friesen
To be fair, Christmas Eve day...
jordan holmes
He hasn't even put the presents under the tree yet.
dan friesen
He's working his way into it.
This is where you start and then you get festive later?
jordan holmes
Maybe he's getting it all out of his system so when he goes home he can be like, hey, I'm sorry I've been poisoning your dad for all these years, but also Merry Christmas instead of screaming about how the globalists need to have their throats cut.
dan friesen
I mean, that would make for a better celebration, I would say.
I would think so.
jordan holmes
With his real wife, of course.
dan friesen
Yeah.
This next clip is sort of an extension of that theme, the idea of fighting and killing.
jordan holmes
It's a consistent theme.
dan friesen
Alex makes a...
So he talks about how he's going to defeat the globalists in this next clip, which is nothing new.
But then he sort of spells out what comes next.
And that also isn't new.
jordan holmes
95% of people are going to die.
dan friesen
No.
He has another battle in front of him after the globalists are taken care of.
jordan holmes
Facebook.
He has...
dan friesen
It's close.
He has...
He's mentioned this before, but just the way he says it is really funny to me.
alex jones
And now, your fall.
It's close.
And then we will face the AI and the next levels.
You are nothing but a training toy for babies.
So prepare to join the ash heap of history with your fallen gods, Hillary Clinton, Baphomet, Satan, and Lucifer.
Because this Christmas, we are going to receive the knowledge of the next level.
Alright, let's get serious and get focused here.
dan friesen
Okay.
jordan holmes
Whoa, whoa, whoa, what?
No, you can't drop that and then be like, okay, let's move on.
dan friesen
What an asshole.
unidentified
No!
jordan holmes
This Christmas, we're going to find out the secrets of the universe.
Anyways, we're going to get back to this Syria thing over here.
How are you guys doing?
dan friesen
Actually, that is what he gets into.
It's amazing your instincts.
Would you believe he has a terrible take on the whole thing?
jordan holmes
No, he shouldn't even have it.
No, he should be 100% for this.
I'm going to be very furious.
This is his whole thing?
This was Trump shoved ISIS up his dirty asshole level when we were in Syria.
So getting out of Syria should be a slam dunk.
dan friesen
Oh no, he's for it.
He's for it.
But his take on it involves some problems, I would say.
alex jones
And then he actually was honorable and pulled 2,000 troops who were daily truck supplies of food and armaments to the Kurds who were allied with ISIS.
And that's it.
dan friesen
What?
alex jones
You're like, well, if the Kurds were fighting ISIS a few years ago, yeah, but now they're allied with them.
So, Trump has made the moral and correct high ground decision.
dan friesen
Yeah, that's absolutely not true.
Like, that's absurd.
Like, the idea of pulling troops out, like, generally.
jordan holmes
Yeah.
dan friesen
Always I'm going to be in favor of us not having troops places.
unidentified
Right, right, right.
dan friesen
But in the instance like this, you do have to recognize that when you do pull those troops out, what you're doing is creating a power vacuum that is going to lead to possibly the genocide of the Kurds.
jordan holmes
No, that's never been tried before.
dan friesen
It's been tried a bunch before.
jordan holmes
No!
By who?
dan friesen
Where do you want me to start?
jordan holmes
Oh, so hold on.
So you're saying that by removing a large number of troops really, really quickly, then that could create a power vacuum.
Say, let's just take a random year where this could have occurred as a hypothetical.
dan friesen
1991.
jordan holmes
I was going to go with 2011.
How about 1997, too?
With that one...
dan friesen
We've not done a great job with the Kurds.
jordan holmes
No.
dan friesen
And they've generally been a very strong ally of ours.
unidentified
Yeah.
dan friesen
So the Kurds are not allied with ISIS.
And in fact, the same day that Trump announced he was going to abandon the Kurds in northern Syria, ISIS set off a bomb in Raqqa, killing at least one Kurdish fighter.
The Kurds are part of the Syrian Democratic Forces, an alliance that fought against ISIS, al-Nasra, and the like, who were supported by Saudi Arabia and Qatar in terms of providing arms.
This idea that at some point the Kurds switched alliances to supporting ISIS is patently absurd.
Because if they did, this conflict, or at least this large aspect of it, would be over.
It wouldn't exist.
jordan holmes
I don't...
I don't understand his take at all.
Like, among all the bad takes that I've read, and this has been...
This whole Syrian situation, I wish I had way more of a grasp on it, because I've read...
Every possible angle on this.
dan friesen
I know a bit, but at the same time, I recognize that there's so much I even don't understand.
jordan holmes
Yeah, I'm going through it, and I'm in this place of like, yes, we shouldn't have troops there.
It's an illegal war, obviously.
We should remove troops from that place.
Like, the arguments for keeping them there are really, it's a proxy war between us and the Russians, but at the same time, we're also trying to stop genocide, but are we really doing any good at that?
Like, are we a positive force in Syria?
Has anybody even...
dan friesen
I think that at the end of the day, some of those questions will be answered by our absence.
Just the answers we may not like to see.
Or we might not like what we find out whenever it goes that way.
jordan holmes
Absolutely.
dan friesen
I don't know.
Like I said, there are a lot of forces in play in terms of the situation in Syria.
I even hazard to say whether I'm for or against the idea of taking troops out.
jordan holmes
Exactly.
dan friesen
I can see an argument for, and I can also see strong argument to not do it based on the consequences that will come.
unidentified
Yeah, yeah, yeah.
dan friesen
So I don't know.
It's not a perfect thing, but the idea that Alex is saying that the Kurds are allied with ISIS is absolutely not true.
And the idea that he's trying to say that Trump did something honorable and noble by taking away assistance to the Kurds, it just leaves them sitting ducks to the people who are supported by Saudi Arabia, Qatar, Russia, Assad, like those sorts of people who will...
Now that the US isn't there, as the main ally for the Kurds, will have no incentive not to make massive offensives and slaughter people by possibly the thousands.
I mean, it could turn into something really, really awful.
jordan holmes
Yeah, and I'm sure that this has, like...
Him choosing Syria specifically definitely has nothing to do with the interests of foreign powers that he may be interested in.
I'm sure he's going to take troops out of Yemen, of course.
We're going to stop providing the material support there.
No.
We're definitely going to get out of Iraq.
Doesn't come up.
I assume we're going to get out of so many of the...
Like, we have 50 military bases all around the world.
dan friesen
Doesn't come up.
jordan holmes
I assume that the honorable thing to do would be that.
I don't...
I mean, I can't think of any specific reason that Syria would be picked amongst all of these places that were killing people, Dan!
dan friesen
Well, it's super interesting, too, because Alex's conversation of this ends up getting into the idea of, like, now that we're getting gone, you know, they're going to wrap that up real quick.
Everything will be fine.
And then, much like I told you during the run-up to the 2016 election, the plan will kick into place.
Once everything's settled down, Assad is going to step down and hold elections.
jordan holmes
Yeah, yeah, yeah!
dan friesen
So he's still using that narrative as being like, that's what's right in front of us.
Assad is going to allow democracy to thrive and everything.
Like, Alex, your arguments are based on...
Lies that Steve Pachenik told you.
unidentified
Yeah.
dan friesen
And now you don't even like Steve Pachenik anymore, but you're still using his narratives.
Like, that's so fascinating to me that Alex is like, oh, Steve Pachenik was trying to convince me to say that the Las Vegas shooting didn't happen.
He was trying to get me to make that my narrative, but I realize that that's not true and that's not the case.
Alex went on air and said that Steve Pachenik is probably still running CIA PSYOPs.
jordan holmes
Probably.
dan friesen
But hasn't taken a second to consider what pieces of his worldview were brought to him by Steve Pachenik and questioned those.
The idea of the secret counter coup, the idea that...
That our military, Russia, and Assad all had a secret agreement that everybody's going to be super...
jordan holmes
That Obama wasn't involved with, don't forget.
dan friesen
Behind Obama's back, all that stuff is stuff that Steve told him, and he hasn't taken even a tiny little bit to be like, huh, if he's been lying to me and trying to get me to go down roads he wants me to go down, what about this?
Because it would completely destroy his support for Trump.
jordan holmes
See, I have no...
Problem with this.
Because if there's one thing that I have really learned from this podcast, it is that you can never underestimate how lazy Alex really is.
dan friesen
So lazy.
jordan holmes
Why would he go back and change anything?
dan friesen
You're talking about Mr. Fake Quote?
Mr. Not Fact Check Anything?
Alex Jones?
Yeah, of course he's super lazy.
But I think that there's a nefarious reason behind it too, and that is, like I said, if that piece, if that domino falls...
It calls into question so many of the reasons that he ended up supporting Trump.
I don't think he probably would have ended up supporting Trump if he didn't have that fictional...
Mythology of being the mouthpiece of the secret good guys in intelligence counter coup nonsense going on that Steve was telling him about.
It allowed him to live in a spy movie that he already believed himself to be living in.
jordan holmes
Yeah, that's true.
dan friesen
It's a psyop that Steve ran on him.
It verified Alex Jones' own delusions of grandeur.
jordan holmes
Ah, come on.
dan friesen
It's crazy.
jordan holmes
That's nuts.
dan friesen
But if it comes down to it and there is peace in Syria, which I don't know when that's going to happen.
jordan holmes
I don't know what that would even look like.
dan friesen
Let's assume that it does, and then Assad doesn't step down and have elections.
Alex, it's never going to come to that because there will never be a satisfactory piece to where he's like, and now it's time.
jordan holmes
Yeah.
And if he doesn't, the narrative will just be like, Trump asked him to stay on because he's the strong leader that needs to be in there right now in order to protect the people.
dan friesen
Well, he was going to step down, but now he's super nationalist.
Yeah, we need him there.
jordan holmes
So we're adding him to our globalist network of nationalists.
dan friesen
Right.
So, I don't know.
This is all a lot of nonsense.
But it's not nearly as much nonsense as this next clip.
alex jones
Trump went to Saudi Arabia.
He negotiated previously with him over the phone and via letter.
And he said, I know you're funding Al-Qaeda and all the other variants.
jordan holmes
Of course.
alex jones
I know you've been working with Western intelligence to do it since the British put you in power almost 100 years ago.
He said, if you do it, we're going to overthrow you right now.
jordan holmes
Okay.
alex jones
And they said, oh no, we'll stop.
jordan holmes
Did they say that in the letter?
alex jones
We'll let women drive cars and go to college and start taking their burkas off.
And Trump said, bingo.
jordan holmes
Bingo.
alex jones
So to respond to that, they begin flipping out and going crazy all over our news that Trump is the worst person on earth.
Because the war's over if you want it to be.
dan friesen
So do you understand the argument that he's making there, basically?
No, I think I feel like you're trolling a little bit.
jordan holmes
No, no, no.
I get what he's trying to say.
dan friesen
That Trump basically brought women driving and the ability to take off your hijab.
jordan holmes
Yeah, yeah, yeah.
I think there's a difference between understanding the definitions of the words that he's using and understanding the argument that he's making.
dan friesen
I was more asking about the words.
jordan holmes
Yeah, the words I understand.
dan friesen
Okay.
unidentified
Yeah, yeah, yeah.
dan friesen
And you can see why it's nonsense.
jordan holmes
What?
dan friesen
See, Donald Trump went to Saudi Arabia on May 20th and 21st, 2017.
Here are just some of the things that have happened since then that don't really match up with Alex's stupid narrative.
In November 2018, Amnesty International released a report showing that Saudi Arabia, quote, tortured, sexually harassed, and mistreated.
While they were driving.
The activists were flogged and electrocuted, leading one of them to attempt suicide repeatedly while in custody.
In March 2018, Saudi Arabia arrested a number of women's rights activists, some of whom were leading campaigners for the right to drive for women, including Lujain al-Halul and Aziza al-Yussef.
In essence, quote, as the Saudi crown prince tours the world presenting himself as a reformer, he is arresting women's rights activists who refuse to accept his tokenism, leaving it to us to make their voices heard, said Kenneth Roth, executive director at Human Rights Watch.
In August 2018, Saudi Arabia sought the death penalty in a trial against human rights activist Israel Gogham and four associates of hers.
The charges they accused her of included, quote, participating in protests, chanting slogans hostile to the regime, attempting to inflame public opinion, and filming protests and publishing on social media.
jordan holmes
Death penalty.
dan friesen
Arrested in December 2015, she was held without access to a lawyer for 32 months.
Her most recent trial was scheduled for November 21st of this year, but she wasn't brought to the court, which is also what happened in her October 28th hearing, which has led some international rights organizations to fear for the worst.
jordan holmes
Do you mean that she's already dead?
A la Khashoggi?
dan friesen
Or just in some sort of terrible way.
They don't want to present her publicly.
jordan holmes
Oh, yeah.
No, it's one or the other.
There's no she's fine.
dan friesen
Strong fears that that's the case.
Barring any proof, that's about as best you can say.
It seems that way.
Oh yeah, and then as you brought up, in August 2018, the Canadian ambassador was expelled from the country after Canada's foreign minister tweeted in support of releasing jailed activists.
Then there was the October SAW-related murder of journalist Jamal Khashoggi, the atrocities being committed in Yemen, and the list goes on and on with instances of Saudi Arabia being squarely on the wrong side of human rights issues long after Trump supposedly gave them a stern talking to.
jordan holmes
It was actually SAW 3-related, the murdering of Khashoggi.
dan friesen
Nothing that Alex is saying makes any sense, and all he's doing is creating a fictional reality to live in to justify why he used to be critical of Saudi Arabia and now thinks they're the good guys, without having to just admit that he's doing it solely because Trump has said that they're the good guys.
So that's all he's doing.
He's just trying to shift his narratives by creating a false reality.
And it's not true, and the world is suffering because of it.
jordan holmes
No!
No, it's almost like most of the Republican Party has abandoned every ideal they ever stood for in order to do the politically expedient thing, which is ride the wave of a massive racist.
dan friesen
Alex is literally carrying water for people who are working to kill everybody in Yemen and destroy human rights.
It's a mess.
jordan holmes
MBS must have thought it was a brilliant move to be like, hey...
I will give all of you the right to drive, just like these activists have said.
And secretly, I will kill all of these activists so I never have to worry about activism again, and I'll never have to change anything past that.
dan friesen
I mean, it sends a strong message.
jordan holmes
Yeah.
dan friesen
I also don't like calling him MBS, because that's the name of a textbook company.
There's like a warehouse in Columbia, Missouri.
And it was like a Kush gig that I could have gotten when I was like 19 or something like that.
Like I would have been made if I could have gotten in there.
jordan holmes
Yeah, yeah, yeah.
dan friesen
But I failed a drug test and they didn't hire me.
But the funny thing is I had taken the stuff, you know, it's supposed to flush out your system.
jordan holmes
Right, right, right, right.
dan friesen
But it didn't work.
jordan holmes
Of course not, because that stuff never does.
dan friesen
When I got my drug test results back, I tested positive for a number of substances I had never taken, which was a little bit scary.
Anyway, those memories flood back any time I hear MBS.
unidentified
I got you.
jordan holmes
I apologize.
unidentified
How rich I could have been at 19. Mohammed bin Salman, if I offended you.
dan friesen
So Alex is clearly peddling a self-deluded narrative about Trump and his actions vis-a-vis the Kurds and Saudi Arabia.
It's not him who's been tricked.
It's the leftists.
alex jones
I mean, NPR, CNN, they are like the war party now.
Right there with the neocons.
What a disgusting group of people.
But when is the average liberal going to say, I'm not a leftist, and say, my God, Trump is the maverick.
He's the liberator.
And when are you going to start really appreciating him and admitting you got conned?
dan friesen
Probably not soon, I would say.
Trump is the great liberator, and all of you liberals have been conned.
jordan holmes
How?
How can you...
How?
Just, like, how?
I just don't understand it.
Like, this is a for real psychotic episode that so much of America is having all at the same time, where up is down and nothing makes any fucking sense.
None of what they're saying makes sense.
Like, I just want to have a conversation that makes sense instead of a conversation where it's like, actually, President Alice from Wonderland is doing a great job and everything that she does is fantastic and how dare you, you evil fucking rabbit!
What are you doing with that pocket watch?
And not be like, uh, I, I, no, I just think we shouldn't lower it.
I don't know what to...
dan friesen
You're a traitor.
jordan holmes
Oh, shit!
dan friesen
I don't know.
jordan holmes
I want to see an Alice in Wonderland with Alex's voice.
dan friesen
I think a lot of this might come down to the stuff that we focus on so much.
I think that that perception might be in your head because of so much of the covering the propaganda world.
Even though it is so much more mainstream than it used to be and everything, I think that we have maybe a little bit of a skewed opinion of how everyone is conversing.
unidentified
I guess.
dan friesen
Because we hear so much Alex Jones and that shit.
jordan holmes
No, that's reasonable, but the only other explanation then is...
Is that so much of the Republican Party is either apathetic to reading any news whatsoever, which, now that I say that, nope, I agree.
unidentified
Done.
dan friesen
To quote Trump talking to Saudi Arabia, bingo.
unidentified
Yeah.
jordan holmes
I posed that as a question between two options and then finished the first one.
Oh, yeah, no, never mind.
You're correct.
dan friesen
Moving on.
The Chicagoan who started a question and ended a sentence.
It's like that Hugh Grant movie.
Boo to Dan.
jordan holmes
I was going to let it go.
dan friesen
So Alex is doing some stuff that I would say is evil.
Like, I legitimately think the narratives that he's perpetuating and putting out into the world, on Christmas Eve, no less.
jordan holmes
This is Christmas Eve, right?
dan friesen
Yeah, and I think it's very dangerous.
I think it's a really bad, bad thing.
I think his behavior is...
I think that there's a moral character to it.
jordan holmes
Absolutely.
dan friesen
Oftentimes, I don't really care too much to get into the moral discussion about him lying about the MIAC report or something like that.
jordan holmes
Yeah, that's my job.
dan friesen
Even if you want to, I'm not super interested in it.
jordan holmes
Right, I don't.
dan friesen
The morality of lying is not always that compelling of a conversation.
But in this case, I do think that the lies that he's saying are leading to deaths or at very least normalizing and covering up deaths.
And I think that that is really bad.
I think that's actually I think that's evil.
And that makes it all the funnier than in this next clip.
Alex talks about how he's incapable of evil.
alex jones
See, here's the thing.
I can think Machiavellian and I can think treacherous, but then I'm always covering what they're doing.
I can't apply it myself.
I just can't do it.
jordan holmes
That's why I have Roger Stone.
alex jones
I have blind spots.
You could say it's a good thing.
But all I've got is straight shooting.
jordan holmes
That's pathological.
alex jones
These people, they get into lies and manipulation and they don't even know who they are anymore.
It's like Louie Gohmert said to the head of Google, he said, you don't even know the light if you saw it.
It's like you're a blind man.
But see, I can see darkness, I can see evil, but I can't do it.
I don't know how to explain that.
I...
I mean, the problem is I can't do evil stuff literally.
I mean, I do bad stuff sometimes out of anger and I feel bad about it later, but I can't, like, launch an evil plan that screws people over and that lies to people and then feel good about it.
dan friesen
I'm starting an MLM.
alex jones
I can't even...
jordan holmes
I think he's actually being blasphemous right now.
alex jones
I'm so loyal that I'm disloyal.
Does that make sense?
dan friesen
Not at all.
jordan holmes
No.
alex jones
And that's an important thing to quantify and to realize that.
unidentified
With what?
jordan holmes
Newtons?
unidentified
Oh!
Ha ha ha!
alex jones
The hindsight is 20-20.
All I can say is this.
Steve Bass is so damn bad.
unidentified
*laughter*
dan friesen
This whole thing.
jordan holmes
This has all been about Steve Bannon?
alex jones
You bet.
jordan holmes
What?
dan friesen
Alex is apologizing for ever supporting Steve Bannon.
jordan holmes
So this whole, like, I can't do evil speech is in, like, I can't do evil, or at least not like Steve fucking Bannon.
unidentified
Yep.
jordan holmes
That asshole.
dan friesen
The guy who was Trump's campaign manager.
jordan holmes
Who I loved forever.
dan friesen
The guy who played an instrumental part in getting Trump elected.
The guy who ran the other propaganda outlet that I would report on repeatedly to the point of getting me sued by Omni Ulukaya.
jordan holmes
Come on.
dan friesen
The guy who now is working to help Jair Bolsonaro.
The guy who I say is Brazil's Trump.
The guy who is a part of the, well, we would say, fascist authoritarian rise around the world that Alex calls the nationalist movement around the world.
Steve Bannon has a huge part in all that.
What the fuck are you doing, Alex?
Analyze for a second the things you're doing.
It's crazy.
jordan holmes
He can't.
He can't.
dan friesen
It's crazy.
jordan holmes
It is.
dan friesen
Such a pathetic dum-dum.
jordan holmes
And it's just pathological to even consider saying, like, I couldn't do evil.
dan friesen
I'm just not capable of it.
jordan holmes
Like, that's really, that's a disease.
Like, that is a malignant narcissistic trait.
unidentified
Oh, yeah.
jordan holmes
Like, I can do no wrong.
Of course, I do get angry.
dan friesen
Sure.
jordan holmes
But I'm going to minimize that.
dan friesen
I do bad things, but I, you know, there is a therapeutic aspect to that.
And I think that, you know.
Oftentimes, whenever you're in therapy and you suffer from guilt and shame excesses in your life and that sort of thing, there is a helpful little trick to being like, I did a bad thing, I'm not bad.
That sort of thing.
jordan holmes
Yes.
dan friesen
But Alex doesn't deserve that.
jordan holmes
No.
dan friesen
He is bad.
jordan holmes
Well, even then, you're bad.
You're a bad person.
You're just not even morally, you're bad at...
Being a person.
dan friesen
If only because he went to a movie and he got a hot dog and nachos.
unidentified
Yeah.
dan friesen
That's ridiculous.
jordan holmes
What are you doing?
dan friesen
That's excessive.
jordan holmes
Why is it?
Why is it that there's so many weird dietary shit that evil Republicans...
What do you mean you eat a well-done steak?
Go to hell!
dan friesen
With ketchup.
jordan holmes
Yeah.
dan friesen
Get out of here.
So, I don't know.
That stuff is just really funny to me.
The idea that one thing he's apologizing for is supporting Steve Bannon when everything about him supports Steve Bannon.
Yeah.
Can't apologize for other stuff, but...
jordan holmes
And that he supports everything that Steve Bannon is doing.
dan friesen
Yeah.
jordan holmes
Even though it's so evil.
dan friesen
Yeah.
Incapable of evil, though.
jordan holmes
Incapable of evil.
dan friesen
So now, at this point, Alex goes out to break.
So, I don't know.
Did you play sports growing up?
jordan holmes
I did.
dan friesen
Do you have any bosses when you were younger that gave you inspiration or any coaches that gave you some inspirational advice?
unidentified
Yeah.
dan friesen
Yeah?
unidentified
Yeah, yeah, yeah.
dan friesen
Like what?
unidentified
I don't know.
dan friesen
I was...
unidentified
No, no, no.
jordan holmes
That guy wasn't real.
Was that quote real?
Was that based off of a real thing that that guy said?
dan friesen
I mean, someone wrote it.
jordan holmes
Someone wrote it, obviously.
No, I had a baseball coach my sophomore year who said all kinds of inspirational shit.
dan friesen
Do you remember any of it?
unidentified
Inspirationally?
dan friesen
Just cliche stuff, probably, right?
jordan holmes
No, no, no.
dan friesen
Like I had a boss who would do the time to lean, time to clean kind of stuff.
jordan holmes
No, no, that's weird and evil.
Time to lean, time to clean?
dan friesen
My response to that was always, time to lean, time for me to go the fuck home.
I'm cutting out on this shift, asshole.
jordan holmes
Yeah, yeah, yeah.
No, his shit was always like, work hard.
You know, like that kind of thing.
Effort overcomes...
dan friesen
But yeah, but you probably recognize that almost everything that that person said is just something that thousands of people have said.
It's basically from an inspirational poster.
It's not some sort of...
jordan holmes
He did say hang in there, Kitty, a lot.
dan friesen
Sure.
It's exactly that.
It's not some sort of like really...
Every coach says the exact same thing.
jordan holmes
You're a coach.
You get the handbook whenever you start being a coach.
It's just a long list of cliches.
dan friesen
Yep.
So in this next clip, Alex acts like a cliche that a coach told him is some sort of profound advice.
alex jones
Trump is very fatalistic.
He believes that he goes into this.
I remember one thing a football coach told me that was the best thing I ever got told.
jordan holmes
Poison your father.
alex jones
It was so important.
I wasn't that good of a player.
They put me in varsity when I was a freshman after the season.
One of three people.
unidentified
And I hated it.
alex jones
I quit.
I was getting run over.
It was so painful.
But it was because I made some big plays and I hurt people and they liked that.
dan friesen
We gotta pause there.
You got put up to varsity because you hurt people and they liked that.
I understand it's football.
jordan holmes
Texas is great.
dan friesen
Look, it's football, but even so, you're not supposed to hurt people.
You're supposed to hit people, sure, but there's safe ways to do that in unsafe ways.
And it's sounding like possibly Alex.
I played football unsafely.
jordan holmes
I played football and I tried very hard not to hurt people.
dan friesen
Right.
That's a psychotic impulse.
jordan holmes
I hit people.
dan friesen
Yeah.
jordan holmes
You're supposed to tackle people.
There's a reason you have pads and all that shit.
You hit them with the pads, not like you're...
dan friesen
The people who would play high school football and be really excited to try and hurt somebody, that's someone who also may or may not have killed a couple dogs in their life.
jordan holmes
Yeah.
dan friesen
That is a lunatic.
jordan holmes
Absolutely.
dan friesen
So anyway, the advice.
alex jones
But this coach told me, he said, you go 110%, you don't get hurt.
You go anything less than 100 plus percent, you're going to get hurt.
And I learned it's true.
You go 100% or you get hurt.
And the president is going 110 damn percent.
dan friesen
Oh, he's going to get hurt.
He's going to get hurt.
jordan holmes
Yeah, he's going to get hurt.
dan friesen
But that, like, go half speed, that's when you get hurt, is like one of the most push league.
It makes me think he didn't actually play sports, because even if you didn't, you would know that piece of advice.
jordan holmes
Yeah, you know how most of the NFL goes half speed all the time?
That's how they became the professional sports players that they are.
That's why, like, there's a 25% massive injury rate all the time.
dan friesen
Totally.
So now, after this, Alex gets weird.
jordan holmes
The saying should be...
You go 110%, you're going to get CTE.
Fucking stop it.
Stop it.
alex jones
Because he believes in you.
He's ready to die.
He's ready to be killed.
He's ready to be impeached.
He doesn't give a damn because he knows in the tarot card deck there's got to be something called the king.
Something called the prince.
Something called the hero.
There's gotta be somebody that doesn't back down.
There's gotta be somebody that doesn't sell out.
There's gotta be somebody that isn't a pedophile.
There's gotta be somebody that loves God.
And Trump is that card.
Infowars is that card.
You are that card.
So get ready for fireworks, because this is it.
dan friesen
There's no pedophile card in the tarot deck.
jordan holmes
Is the tarot deck used for playing war?
dan friesen
No.
jordan holmes
I don't think so.
dan friesen
I'm not totally sure why Alex Jones would be bringing up tarot cards, something that he specifically thinks is evil in his worldview, and saying that Trump is the king card in it, but oh well.
It's only his Christmas Eve episode.
jordan holmes
I really don't think this is the Christmas Eve episode, Dan.
You're fucking with me.
dan friesen
It's the perfect time for him to ramble about how his hero is the assumed top of the esoteric magic devil card game deck.
The problem is that the tarot deck doesn't operate the same way a normal deck of cards does, where the higher the card is, the better it is.
Also, in normal decks, aces beat kings, so I guess Trump isn't the top in that conception either, but let's not get too far off track.
The four suits of the tarot deck, wands, cups, pinnacles, or coins, and swords, each represent more or less a different one of the elements.
That's generally how most people look at the tarot decks.
unidentified
Yeah, yeah, yeah.
dan friesen
And the king of each suit denotes a completely different thing in each suit.
Also, a king card being drawn means a completely different thing, depending on where the card is drawn in a reading, and if it's drawn upright or reversed.
There's a lot of variables in terms of each card.
jordan holmes
Nope, the king wins, right?
That's the point of the tarot deck.
dan friesen
No, no, no, no, no.
jordan holmes
He beats the ten of spades, at least.
Where's the ten of spades in the tarot deck?
dan friesen
There isn't.
There aren't spades.
There's like a ten of cups.
jordan holmes
Well, then how do you...
You can't.
unidentified
You can't.
dan friesen
The four suits are each a minor arcana, because they each have identical cards in each suit.
So each one is an instance of a minor arcana.
If Alex wanted to really make his point, you should have chosen a card from the major arcana, where there's only one individual card of its kind in the deck.
For instance, he could have chosen the Emperor, which is described as, quote, The Emperor represents a powerful leader who demands respect and authority.
As a leader, you rule with a firm but fair hand.
You have a clear vision of what you want to create, and you organize those around you to manifest your goal.
You listen to the advice of others, but you prefer to have the final say.
Conflict doesn't scare you, and you wouldn't hesitate to use your power to protect those you care about.
That could have been a fun way for Alex to describe Trump.
jordan holmes
Those sentences remind me of this thing that people used to scam.
It's called a Barnum statement, you know?
Where it could describe literally fucking everybody.
dan friesen
Oh, sure.
I mean, there is a touch of that in this.
I don't know.
I don't want to go too far into, like...
jordan holmes
I prefer the I Ching.
That's all I'm saying.
dan friesen
Same thing.
jordan holmes
I like to throw some bones, Dan.
dan friesen
Oh, also, by the way, in the tarot deck there isn't a prince card.
There's a knight.
And there's no hero.
jordan holmes
The hero card?
dan friesen
There's a fool.
jordan holmes
I think he's talking about a Magic the Gathering deck.
That might be.
dan friesen
He might be talking about that.
All this is to say that Alex is very stupid and almost never knows what he's talking about, particularly when he ventures accidentally into the worlds of the supposedly evil things that he's against.
unidentified
Yeah.
dan friesen
But Trump is the king card.
jordan holmes
He's the king card.
dan friesen
King card.
King of cups.
Anyway, in this next clip...
Oh, dude.
So...
jordan holmes
Yeah.
You got very excited.
dan friesen
I did, because I forgot...
jordan holmes
I really don't believe this is the Christmas Eve episode.
dan friesen
I forgot this clip was coming, because something ends up happening at the end of this episode that kind of...
I thought that that was what we were working towards.
unidentified
Yeah.
dan friesen
I forgot about this clip.
Alex should never have said this on air.
This is really, really fucked up.
jordan holmes
Do we have a list of those?
dan friesen
I mean, Larry Nichols shouldn't have blackmailed Congress.
jordan holmes
Right, that's bad.
dan friesen
That's one.
Alex shouldn't have let him say that.
No.
jordan holmes
Everything Steve Pechenik has ever said.
dan friesen
Alex shouldn't have talked about being debriefed by Russian intelligence agents.
unidentified
Of course not.
dan friesen
Probably shouldn't have said that on air.
jordan holmes
Nope.
dan friesen
Shouldn't have talked about possibly killing his dogs.
jordan holmes
Definitely not.
dan friesen
It's a long list.
jordan holmes
It's a long list.
dan friesen
This one, I think, might have legal implications.
He's having Roger Stone on.
jordan holmes
Oh, okay.
dan friesen
Roger's on the other end of the phone, and they're talking about how...
All this Russia stuff is bullshit.
And Alex accidentally tells some backstage business.
jordan holmes
Oh, no.
dan friesen
And I think that Alex is revealing something he really, really shouldn't reveal.
alex jones
I was there.
And you're like, well, this is off record, but I'll say it now.
This is during the campaign.
Yeah, Fox News just let me go as a contributor.
It's not really supposed to be public.
They pay me, but...
dan friesen
So first things first, Alex is putting Roger's business into the streets.
During the campaign, he was a paid contributor in Fox News.
So, I mean, that is what it is.
That's whatever.
But that gives us a time frame.
It has to be after November 2015, because that's the first time that Roger appeared on Alex's show, to the election.
It has to be in that time frame.
Roger was fired from Fox News, and he comes to Alex.
alex jones
You know, would InfoWars hire me?
And I said, you know, Roger, you're a good guy on the show.
I promote your website and I sell your book.
That's good.
dan friesen
So, Roger has come to Alex and he has asked him for a job at InfoWars.
jordan holmes
Importantly, he said he saw his book.
He did not read his book.
dan friesen
Well, his book was Making of the Presidency 20...
Oh, it could have been one of his older books, though.
The one about LBJ killing Kennedy and stuff like that.
So, in 2016...
At some point, Roger Stone started his own show on the Genesis Communications Network called The Stone Cold Truth.
It was very short-lived.
So that probably is right around when we're talking about here.
He asked Alex for a job, he got him a show on GCN, and then it went away.
alex jones
I don't have a lot of extra money laying around, but I said, if you could get me Julian Assange, because you've been talking about your intermediary, I...
Honestly, this jerk goes on Fox News, CNN, MSNBC, New York Times video, but not us.
And you're like, well, I'll try.
I know this talk show host.
dan friesen
So, Alex Jones has now just admitted on air that he directed Roger Stone to get in touch with Julian Assange.
unidentified
Oh, my God.
dan friesen
He's going to try and portray that as, like, it's no big deal.
Roger was unsuccessful in getting in touch with him.
Sure.
unidentified
Meanwhile...
Oh, boy.
dan friesen
If it does turn out that there is concrete evidence that Roger was in contact with them and stuff like that, like, if that evidence exists, which I think there's strong indications that he was, but the actual evidence of it, I think, is still forthcoming, and we'll see if it is the truth or if it's not.
But if it is...
Alex has just put himself in prison.
jordan holmes
I know.
dan friesen
That is, he just did it to himself.
jordan holmes
This is the first time I've ever been like, God, I wish there really were like FBI agents from all around the world.
Totally.
Because yes, they should be because you are a crime committer.
You're just crime committed.
dan friesen
During the campaign, Roger Stone got fired as a contributor by Fox News, asked me for a job and I said, you're a good guy.
jordan holmes
I will only give you a job.
If you bring me the most illegal bring that you can give me.
I...
I...
Alex Jones, do hereby direct you to commit a crime for me.
dan friesen
Turns out Alex got us a Christmas gift, too, in the form of this stupid-ass clip.
jordan holmes
Isn't that how Mark Richards is in jail forever?
You can't direct somebody to commit a crime without being part of the crime yourself.
dan friesen
There's a little bit.
So anyway, let's finish this clip, Bob.
jordan holmes
Oh, God.
alex jones
No, Zeman.
He's going...
I mean, I remember you...
I'm not trying to...
Like, oh, you want this job for me?
It's just a story of what happened.
I remember literally saying no, and it was like a year until I gave you a job for other stuff, because you're a good guy and give commentary, but I was there.
dan friesen
The starting and ending that clip with I was there is not going to play out well for you, Alex.
jordan holmes
Also, I didn't just...
Direct you to commit that crime.
I need to make sure that you know I was there when the crime was also committed.
dan friesen
And I made it a condition of getting a job with me.
Which, if that's the case, he did give Roger a job.
So if Alex is presenting it as like, if you can get me in touch with Julian Assange, I will give you a job.
Logically, I mean, he did get a job.
jordan holmes
Yep.
dan friesen
Did he come through with it?
Now this is a whole new investigation for Mueller and all, you know?
unidentified
Jesus!
dan friesen
I'm sure whatever the reality of the situation is, they already know.
Anybody who's been investigating this with any kind of, like, subpoena power and stuff like that, they already know.
All of this is, it's no secret to official channels, but it's really funny for us on Christmas Eve that Alex Jones is in studio trying to get really defensive and accidentally reveals that he enlisted Roger Stone to contact Julian Assange.
Then Roger Stone clearly was telling him that he did contact Julian Assange.
I mean, remember that one episode we did?
jordan holmes
Hark the heralds, I committed treason.
dan friesen
Remember that episode that we did where Alex stayed up super late in order to cover the WikiLeaks anniversary?
Almost as if we knew that it was...
I think Alex is...
I mean, this shows like...
I get why you use fake quotes now.
Because this is...
You are just...
jordan holmes
Man, he's just the weakest possible link in this chain of propaganda.
It's insane.
dan friesen
And Buckley and everybody else who works behind the scenes at Infowars must do so much work to keep this on track.
Because left to his own devices, he's going to just do shit like that.
So many people must be telling him, Alex.
Don't say shit about this.
jordan holmes
I was debriefed by Russian agents and I didn't contact the FBI.
Oh, should I not have said that?
Oh, okay.
I directed Roger Stone to commit a crime.
Oh, I shouldn't have said that?
dan friesen
We gotta install a cough button.
jordan holmes
Sandy Hook was 100% fake.
Should I?
Oh, boy.
dan friesen
I would have loved it if there was like if we were watching it and it was just sort of like everything's going normally on the show and he's like Roger you know During the campaign, you came to me.
You told me you got fired by Fox News.
You said you wanted a job.
I told you that if you get me Julian Assange, I'll give you a job.
And then just all of a sudden, let's go out.
jordan holmes
Yeah, yeah, yeah.
We're experiencing some technical difficulties.
dan friesen
Just flashes up Alex Jones dancing out to the lobby with a hot dog.
jordan holmes
With a hot dog semester.
unidentified
It'd be so great.
dan friesen
Oh, just everybody diving over each other to hit that button.
Hit the intermission button.
jordan holmes
Like, holy shit.
dan friesen
Alex, even if what you're saying is innocuous, don't fucking say that!
jordan holmes
It's almost like sometimes he'll take a saved-by-the-bell break to just break the fourth wall and look at us and be like, by the way, I committed all these crimes.
And then turn back to Roger and be like, hey, what else are we narrating about today?
dan friesen
I was totally expecting once Roger came on, because that's Alex giving him an introduction.
He hasn't even said anything yet.
I was fully expecting Roger to be like, Alex.
Or something like that.
Instead, he's just like, everybody has wronged me!
He doesn't address the idea that he's like, I have always told the truth about everything, and I've told the House Intelligence Committee all the truth, and the record will show that I am not a liar.
jordan holmes
I think Roger probably likes it.
They probably have a deal put together where Alex...
Donates $100,000 to his legal defense fund every time he ruins his legal defense.
dan friesen
Yeah, every time he airs dirty laundry, there's a fee.
jordan holmes
It's like a swear jar.
It's like a swear jar, yeah, yeah, yeah.
dan friesen
So they don't talk much more about this, but they do spend a little time talking about that, the criminal justice reform, and how Trump is basically like a super liberal.
alex jones
Let's talk about that, because you've got the criminal justice reform pulling trips out.
I mean, this should be a wet dream for Democrats.
Instead, they act like it's cyanide.
roger stone
It's really extraordinary.
In the last couple months, Donald Trump has legalized industrial hemp.
He's talked about removing marijuana from the Schedule 1 list.
He's ended the war in Syria.
He's on his way to ending the war in Afghanistan.
dan friesen
Real quick, I mean, ending the war in Syria is different than us.
Withdrawing.
jordan holmes
Not being in the war.
dan friesen
And also talking about legalizing marijuana or something like that.
jordan holmes
No, he talked about it.
dan friesen
That means he's great.
I talk about it all the time.
jordan holmes
No, he's super liberal.
He's great.
dan friesen
I mean, that's cool.
It's better than not, but it's not actual progress.
jordan holmes
He's a Republican president with a Republican Congress.
Whenever he talks about marijuana reform, I imagine that everybody in the Republican-controlled Congress, again, it is a 100% Republican-controlled Congress and a Republican president and a Republican Supreme Court.
I imagine they would have no trouble accomplishing literally any goal that...
dan friesen
He starts talking about legalized weed.
He starts talking about medical marijuana.
And just from the Supreme Court, from the Senate, you just hear a resounding, LEGALIZE IT!
You see fucking Paul Ryan and Rand Paul put on Rastafari hats.
jordan holmes
Yeah, for sure.
roger stone
He has reformed our criminal justice system so that people, mostly minorities, don't go to jail for 15 years for a first-time nonviolent crime of marijuana possession.
You would think the left would be happy, but because it's Donald Trump, we are against anything that he's for.
dan friesen
That is not true.
jordan holmes
Yeah, actually, we're pretty all right with it.
It's not far enough.
It doesn't go far enough, but yeah, I think we're pretty cool with it.
dan friesen
That's interesting.
Because one of the first things is what we already talked about is this is just sort of an extension of things from the Obama era that are adding on to already made progress, which is good.
I'm not taking away from it.
Alex and Roger are acting like the Democrats are against this criminal justice reform because Trump is in favor of it as sort of just a way to cash in on a little bit of credibility or whatever, but that's not true.
The largest voices in slight opposition were Kamala Harris, who said that she didn't think the reforms went far enough, but also didn't want to let her idealism allow, quote, allow it to be the enemy of good, which is a good way to look at it.
jordan holmes
It's a cliche that my high school baseball coach told me.
dan friesen
Elizabeth Warren was iffy on the bill because she also didn't feel like it went far enough, not because she was against the bill itself, it's just there's more we could be doing.
Literally all 12 nay votes in the Senate were Republicans.
The same is true of every one of the 36 nay votes in the House.
Not a single Democrat voted against this bill.
But 48 total Republicans in the House and Senate did.
So where is your argument there?
Your argument is non-existent.
The idea that liberals are against this because Trump is for it, it doesn't hold water.
This is nonsense.
jordan holmes
I...
I bet there's no way you could look into those Republicans that voted against it and find them getting money from private prisons or anything like that.
dan friesen
Go talk to Marco Rubio.
jordan holmes
There's no way that that could be.
dan friesen
So all that is just nonsense.
Roger Stone's talking shit.
But he's not the only one who's way out of line.
In this next clip, Alex is trying to get to an ad pivot, but I think he might have started drinking.
jordan holmes
Well, it is Christmas Eve.
dan friesen
It is.
jordan holmes
You get to taste a little tipple, Dan.
dan friesen
You might have gotten into the nog because he's sort of burping his way to this ad pivot in a way that really makes me uncomfortable.
alex jones
We're going to, on this live Christmas Eve broadcast, get into Trump's mind, why he's doing this, why he's standing up, and how the globalists are going to strike back.
Trump believes you want prosperity.
He believes you want freedom.
The establishment thinks you're a bunch of idiots.
unidentified
We're about to find out what the truth is.
alex jones
Straight ahead with Roger Stone.
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dan friesen
Free t-shirt.
jordan holmes
Free t-shirt.
dan friesen
The sales have been going so well that they are continuing.
jordan holmes
Adding a free speech.
And a free t-shirt.
dan friesen
Yeah, this is not good.
So, I'm going to suggest the argument that I don't know if he was drunk when he put Roger's business in the streets.
I have no idea.
But I'm certain he started drinking.
And it's not just that, the burping there, which is glaring.
But he could have eaten lunch or something like that.
jordan holmes
It's entirely possible.
He's been eating hot dogs and nachos non-stop.
Of course he's going to burp all the time.
dan friesen
So, the show takes a bit of a turn.
And I know that he was saying some pretty gross stuff, especially for Christmas Eve, where he's talking about stabbing the globalists in the gut.
jordan holmes
No, they were getting stabbed.
He's strangling, Dan.
It's a manly thing to strangle.
dan friesen
Excuse me.
jordan holmes
It's weak to stab.
dan friesen
And very feminine to poison.
Which is what they're trying to do.
jordan holmes
Sorry, Dad!
dan friesen
So in this next clip, he decides that he didn't go far enough.
He's not thrilled with his performance in that first murder rant, and he's got to get into another one, and he's got to do it to the sweet sounds of Turn the Page.
unidentified
You know, I don't have a death wish, but you know I'm not afraid to die.
alex jones
I've got to carry out this mission.
jordan holmes
Merry Christmas.
alex jones
I get tired when I get old.
The main thing I want to do is set my way against the enemy.
So I suffocate, they suffocate too.
I'm not afraid to die.
unidentified
So when I look into their eyes, well, they die politically.
alex jones
They can know they met somebody and afraid to die.
Because they think they're a snake wrapped around me.
unidentified
No.
alex jones
I'm the one wrapped around them.
jordan holmes
And the meek shell inherit the earth.
alex jones
To make sure they never got away.
When I start squeezing.
When I start biting.
When I start poking.
jordan holmes
They were given shelter in the manger.
unidentified
Up on the stage.
alex jones
All right, Roger, you were saying some powerful stuff during the break, but some stations don't carry this segment.
I want you to launch into a Roger Stone-esque rant to really give us what you do behind the scenes.
dan friesen
Hey, look, Roger, this is usually like station identification for most of the radio stations that we're on, so I'm just going to ramble about being a boa constrictor, strangling the globalists and what have you, talk about killing them, and when we get back, I really want you to rant well.
So please, make it look organic, because the radio stations won't hear this.
unidentified
One of those things that you never do, but it's off air, you're so vibrant off air.
dan friesen
Do that when we get back.
What the fuck is this?
Fucking nonsensical murder rant that leads into him singing one line of Turn the Page and then telling Roger to bring it when they come back from break because it'll actually be on the radio.
So fucking weird.
unidentified
And again, we can't stress this enough, this is Christmas Eve!
dan friesen
The sacredest of holidays for Alex Jones.
jordan holmes
The spirit of our Lord Jesus Christ.
dan friesen
I must tell you that I am a snake.
jordan holmes
I am a boa constrictor willing to kill!
dan friesen
I'm going to compare myself to the very thing that Satan is compared to in my cosmology.
unidentified
Right, right, right, right.
dan friesen
So they do come back from break, and Roger Stone, I'm not entirely sure if he really brought it in the way that Alex wants him to, but he brought it in the way I wanted him to, and that is to say, he makes the claim that he's never lied intentionally on Infowars.
He has never...
jordan holmes
This is immediately after his apology.
dan friesen
Well, yeah, this is about him settling that lawsuit.
jordan holmes
Yes, of course.
dan friesen
Where he lied about Miles Kwok and then had to not pay.
I don't want to pay $100 million, so I'm going to go ahead and turn a tail and run on this one.
jordan holmes
Sir, I would like $100 million.
dan friesen
Oh, I totally lied about you.
Sorry about that.
That's on me.
But it was Sam Numburg's fault.
jordan holmes
Okay, well then we'll settle this lawsuit.
unidentified
Perfect.
dan friesen
So, he's now gotten into the damage control mode of the apology, which is, they're saying I lie about things, I did not lie, which is couched in the idea that he's like, Sam Nunberg told me bad things, and I didn't knowingly lie.
jordan holmes
Right, right, right.
dan friesen
I was just correcting myself.
Now, what's interesting is that this clip is a minute long, and within this minute, Roger Stone will say that he never knowingly lied about anything, and then proceed to lie.
Seconds later about Alex Jones.
roger stone
Last week you saw an incredible smear.
Stone admits to lying on Infowars.
I never said anything of the kind.
In fact, let me make this clear.
I have never reported or broadcast anything whatsoever on Infowars or any platform that I knew at the time I reported it, it was false.
dan friesen
Smash cut to him telling Alex that...
jordan holmes
At the time, I reported it.
dan friesen
Smash cut to him telling Alex that General McMaster is trying to poison Trump's Diet Cokes with a slow-acting sedative narcotic.
jordan holmes
He didn't know that wasn't true at the time he reported it.
dan friesen
Cowardly dodge.
jordan holmes
Nah.
roger stone
When I've made mistakes, and every American, every human being has...
I have promptly corrected those mistakes.
jordan holmes
Point to one time.
roger stone
Again, that was the setup.
That was the part of the smear, trying to establish that Roger Stone is a liar.
I'm proud of the work that I've done here at Infowars.
We've broken major story after major story.
I'm sorry that they get PO'd at CNN and MSNBC and the Associated Press and the New York Times when we're a day ahead of them with the news, when we report things before they even know them.
But that's what we do at Infowars.
So, in that clip, he's saying that he has never reported things that he knows are not true on Infowars.
dan friesen
15 seconds later, he says that Alex never said that no one died at Sandy Hook.
jordan holmes
Yeah.
dan friesen
Bad news, man.
You know that he did.
You know damn well that he did.
Because if I worked for Alex Jones, let's say I didn't know, right?
Let's say I didn't know what he did back at the time of Sandy Hook.
If I worked for him and a bunch of people were making the accusation that he said that no one died and argued that quite a bit on his show, I would probably go and check.
I would look into it.
I would want to know the truth.
Because if the person I was working for did say that, I wouldn't want to work for him.
And if he didn't say that, I would want to be able to point to the things that people were accusing him of and be able to defend my employer, who was a noble and righteous person.
There's no way that I would just be like, I'll take you at your word, you never said it.
There's no way.
The stakes are way too high.
So the idea that Roger Stone is trying to present, like, I could have plausible deniability that I don't know if it's true or not, that you...
He's not saying that.
He's saying that Alex never said that Sandy Hook was fake, and he did.
jordan holmes
They are going to hire the disgraced reporter from Der Spiegel almost immediately.
Oh, man.
They are going to hire him.
Whoa, whoa, whoa.
I never knowingly made up those quotes.
dan friesen
Dude, I didn't even cut that stuff.
jordan holmes
Oh, they were talking about him?
dan friesen
Oh, quite a bit.
jordan holmes
How?
dan friesen
Well, because they were saying that he's going to get a job at CNN.
Kind of made the same joke you did.
jordan holmes
Fair enough.
I apologize and retract that joke.
dan friesen
Great minds.
jordan holmes
Retract that joke.
100%.
dan friesen
No, they were talking about it and they were trying to present it as like he was basically only writing fake stories about how white people in Texas hate Mexico.
jordan holmes
Sure, that's what he was writing stories about?
dan friesen
They try and create it as like he was trying to...
jordan holmes
Award-winning journalist for German newspaper Der Spiegel was only writing about Texans?
dan friesen
Well, Alex was trying to create the perception that the lies and the fake stories that he wrote about were all trying to foment racial division and stuff like that.
jordan holmes
No, no, no, of course.
dan friesen
That makes sense.
It's a bit of a stretch.
But not as much of a stretch as this next clip.
alex jones
Roger Stone, the supposed Russian mastermind.
dan friesen
Do you notice, though, too, it is important, he's breathing a lot heavier than he was earlier.
You could hear, I'm going to start this clip over.
jordan holmes
He sounds like Darth Vader.
dan friesen
Listen to this breathing.
alex jones
Roger Stone, the supposed Russian mastermind.
There's no proof of it, but two years in, Robert Mueller, the bag man for uranium for Hillary to the Russians.
The man who many believe is the top KGB agent in the United States, basically.
Now, the FSB is in a giant prosecution against President Trump in a desperate attempt to stop us recovering our economy and rebuilding our military.
The man who had boosted our economy over $4 trillion, we're now told, is a Russian agent by people handled by the Russians.
dan friesen
So, Mueller is a KGB agent, probably the top KGB agent in the United States.
jordan holmes
That sounds right.
I mean, if you were a former director of the FBI and then became a Kremlin agent, or if you were a Kremlin agent that became head of the FBI, you are the top KGB agent.
dan friesen
You're the top agent, period.
jordan holmes
Yeah, yeah, for any country.
dan friesen
Yeah, you're not even either.
unidentified
Yeah, yeah, yeah.
dan friesen
You're your own thing.
jordan holmes
You're the winner.
dan friesen
None of that is real.
And the uranium and stuff, we've talked about that a hundred times.
That's a lot of bullshit.
I just, I get the sense, as I was listening to this, I ended up having to watch some clips of it.
I was just listening to it as the radio show.
unidentified
Yeah, yeah, yeah.
dan friesen
But I had, some stuff ended up becoming so extreme that I had to be like, I gotta see this.
Theater of the mind will not do.
unidentified
Right.
dan friesen
I had to confirm that he was actually doing the things that he said he was doing, which we'll get to in a minute.
jordan holmes
Okay.
dan friesen
But I...
I was watching this and I really get the sense that he wasn't drunk when he started the show and he's drunk by this point.
I think he started taking some shots or something like that.
I'm not sure at what point exactly.
Hard to nail down, but he is not the same level of sober.
It's not consistent.
jordan holmes
Everybody enjoys a nice Christmas bourbon, Dan.
Everybody enjoys a nice little tipple on the Christmas Eve.
You know, you're 14 and your parents are like, "Hey." Guess what?
We're all going to enjoy this nice little brandy together.
dan friesen
My friend, I'm not...
jordan holmes
And one of those parents is Alex Jones, and he drinks all the brandy by himself during his show.
dan friesen
I want to make it clear.
I'm not judging in any way.
I'm not some sort of Puritan who's saying don't drink, but I am saying...
jordan holmes
At work, I am.
I am a Puritan.
dan friesen
I'm not even on that tip.
Back when I used to work at Groupon, it was nothing but booze.
jordan holmes
Oh, well, yeah.
unidentified
But I mean, yeah.
dan friesen
Or even at that coffee place.
A lot of booze on Fridays, especially.
jordan holmes
That sounds great.
dan friesen
I get it.
People are adults.
No big deal.
I do think that when you're in a position where you're putting out dangerous rhetoric into the world about things that matter, you probably should...
If you're drunk, you better be right.
You better have all of your ducks in a row.
If you're going to be wrong and...
That sort of fun, like, hey, I'm buzzed!
Isn't this cool?
jordan holmes
Yeah, yeah, yeah.
dan friesen
That just doesn't work.
When you're carrying water for, you know, things that lead to the deaths of people around the world, and you're like flippantly drunk and fun at work, it's not, you can't do that.
jordan holmes
No.
dan friesen
Because, I don't need to say why.
jordan holmes
I would hope not.
dan friesen
It's clear.
jordan holmes
It's kind of like shackling pregnant women.
It really shouldn't have been a conversation we needed to have.
dan friesen
Yeah.
So in this next clip, Alex wants to talk economy, baby.
jordan holmes
I am assuming that he is going to talk about the massive stock drop and how it was one of the worst days since the Great Depression.
dan friesen
You bet he is.
alex jones
But this is really the big one.
Because if people don't get this, and how obvious it is, So there's nothing they won't put up with.
The latest financial news is up on DrudgeReport.com.
Because Drudge gets, this is the big story.
Stocks extend fall despite Munchen bid to reassure investors.
dan friesen
Moonshine.
jordan holmes
I was going to say, did he just say Moonshine?
dan friesen
You would really think if you were in love with Donald Trump, you would know how to say Steve Mnuchin.
jordan holmes
Moonshine?
dan friesen
You would think.
jordan holmes
He has a crescent chin.
Of course his nickname is Moonshine.
dan friesen
You'd think you'd know the guy.
It reminds me of how he couldn't pronounce Tim Geithner for a really long time.
jordan holmes
Geithner.
dan friesen
Have you only seen this in print?
What is going on?
jordan holmes
Have you seen this in print?
dan friesen
Is this a new name to you?
jordan holmes
Have you only heard this name and you just don't understand English like the rest of us?
dan friesen
Is this spelled phonetically but wrong?
jordan holmes
Alex!
Alex!
Sound it out, man.
Sound it out.
Nuchin.
Sound it out.
dan friesen
I think Buckley writes his scripts, but it's all just like drawings.
jordan holmes
Phonetic.
dan friesen
No, it's pictographs.
That's what it is.
I don't know.
This is nonsense.
But anyway, to his point.
alex jones
Presidents get involved in the plunge protection team or the president's group on open markets all the time, but the media hyped it like, look.
They're trying to boost the market.
That shows it's desperate.
Dump, dump, dump.
So mainstream media is saying dump stocks to teach Americans lessons.
jordan holmes
Did they say that?
alex jones
And then they think you don't have a memory.
They'll tell you in a week, oh, look, the stock market tanked.
It's Trump's fault.
dan friesen
Nope.
Oh, and he says there at the end, when they did it.
They didn't do that.
You're accusing people of people doing things they didn't do, and the stock market jumped way back up.
alex jones
Yeah.
dan friesen
So, like, he's just trying to, like, all he's doing is being opportunistic about the circumstances that are in front of him right in the moment, not taking into consideration that what happens tomorrow might be a piece of the story that you're unaware of.
What happened yesterday is a part of the story.
jordan holmes
I'm kind of still fascinated.
I'm still fascinated whenever we do have those.
Here's the stock market update on regular news outlets, because by this point they should know that the stock market update...
Doesn't really affect anything in anybody's life.
And it's all automated.
dan friesen
It's filling time.
jordan holmes
And now it's massively artificial intelligence-based.
Nobody knows what the fuck is going on.
dan friesen
I mean, it's the same thing with all those news shows.
Even the local news that have to fill an hour every day.
unidentified
Yeah, that's true.
dan friesen
You still have time you've got to fill, and you're just not...
Great at it.
That's why companies like Sinclair are so insidious, is because they offer a solution to a problem that a lot of news stations have, which is filling that time.
unidentified
Right, right, right.
dan friesen
A lot of that stock kind of stuff is, yeah, whoever's watching doesn't need that, necessarily.
Same thing with weather.
Like, most weather reports are unnecessary.
jordan holmes
No, come on!
How dare you!
dan friesen
I want Tom Skilling fired.
jordan holmes
You want Skilling out of a job?
dan friesen
Yes.
jordan holmes
He is a Chicago staple, man!
dan friesen
I don't give a shit.
jordan holmes
Look, if Serengeti will reference Skilling, then you don't have any choice!
dan friesen
I have a deep-seated distrust of weathermen.
jordan holmes
Really?
dan friesen
I think that they are arch-perverts.
Whoa!
jordan holmes
Whoa!
dan friesen
See, here's the thing.
jordan holmes
That's a jump.
dan friesen
Meteorology is something that not a lot of people get into studying.
jordan holmes
I actually heard that Weinstein invented meteorology.
dan friesen
It's possible.
jordan holmes
That's why you know they're all perverts.
dan friesen
I'm ready to believe it.
jordan holmes
Yep.
dan friesen
It's not something that tons of people study.
And the subset of the people who study it, who are also camera-ready, is a very small group.
jordan holmes
Yes.
dan friesen
So these people who are charismatic enough and actually can discuss meteorological things and the weather and not sound like complete idiots reading a script, those sorts of people know that their jobs are so fucking protected.
And when they go to cities like Chicago, L.A., New York, those sorts of things, and become institutions on the news.
jordan holmes
Yeah.
dan friesen
Like Tom Skilling.
jordan holmes
Like Tom Skilling.
dan friesen
Not saying anything specific about him at all.
jordan holmes
No, who gives a fuck?
dan friesen
But people like him.
jordan holmes
I don't know if people like him so much as he's just around.
dan friesen
No, I'm saying people similar to him.
jordan holmes
Ah, yeah, yeah.
dan friesen
People like him.
jordan holmes
Oh, oh, okay.
Now I got it.
dan friesen
They know that they have the definition of job security.
So I'm not saying they're doing criminally perverted things.
I'm just saying.
That I don't trust them.
unidentified
That there are no consequences for their actions.
dan friesen
Absolutely.
jordan holmes
Why can't we bring in...
You've seen the topless Russian women who do the news.
dan friesen
We can bring those in.
I'm unaware of this.
jordan holmes
Everybody's aware of the topless Russian women specifically.
dan friesen
Listen, we're too puritanical for that.
We demand that our weathermen do pervy things off air.
jordan holmes
Right, right, right.
Oh, boy.
dan friesen
I don't know.
Just a theory.
Anyway.
Yes, I agree.
Your point, stock stuff is unnecessary.
jordan holmes
Yeah.
dan friesen
Point taken.
So we have one more clip before everything goes completely wrong on this episode.
And this clip, I'm only playing because I think it is super important.
And that is, I wrestle from time to time with the idea of what we do.
Because Alex's show is copyrighted.
He owns it.
And there is a slight fear in my mind that one day he'll just decide...
jordan holmes
To sue us for copyright infringement?
dan friesen
Yeah, that sort of thing.
And I know that, generally speaking, what we do falls under fair use rules and things like that, but I never want to deal with it.
Like, I never want to open that.
And I'm playing this next clip.
jordan holmes
I've always wanted to represent myself in court.
That sounds great.
dan friesen
Pro se.
I'm playing this next clip because it's Alex giving us permission to use his content.
jordan holmes
Oh, okay.
dan friesen
So let this stand on the record.
alex jones
All our stuff's free to air.
People send me emails all the time.
Can I put InfoWars on the side of my barn?
Yeah, First Amendment says you can.
I'm begging you, please do it.
We're free to air.
I'm not sitting here territorializing what we do.
Plus, you have that right.
Just get the information out.
dan friesen
We're doing our best, Alex.
jordan holmes
Can we use your show?
Is that tacit approval?
unidentified
Cool.
jordan holmes
Thanks, buddy.
Hey, can we ask you for other favors?
Like, could you please sue us so we can just play that clip in court?
I would love that.
I just want to get sued for that specific...
We're using digital copyright millennium rules to take you down, and we'll just play that clip in court.
dan friesen
Judgment in favor of knowledge.
jordan holmes
Bye!
dan friesen
So, like I said, everything goes off the rails.
And I think it's because Alex has been having some booze.
And also...
His guests...
Oh, also, by the way...
jordan holmes
Does he talk about Christmas?
dan friesen
Not much.
A tiny bit?
jordan holmes
Yeah?
dan friesen
Maybe.
I mean, he mentions that he's not gonna have his...
He's gonna have a rebroadcast on Christmas.
But in terms of, like, the Christmas story, what Christmas means, a Christmas message of love...
jordan holmes
Or even anything Christian at all.
He hasn't even really gotten religious.
dan friesen
He's talked about devils, which is his version of Christian.
jordan holmes
Good point.
dan friesen
He's talked about the tarot deck.
unidentified
Right.
jordan holmes
Which is his version of Christian.
dan friesen
I will say that there are a couple times that I just didn't cut because it seemed excessive and repetitive.
But most of the times he mentions Christmas at all, it's in an ad pivot.
It's just like, it's Christmas here and we're not going to be able to get you the product by Christmas, but...
jordan holmes
Right, right, right, right.
dan friesen
Give us money.
That sort of thing.
There is very little Christmas in this.
jordan holmes
Yeah.
dan friesen
But one gift that he gives America is that Owen Benjamin is now hosting the fourth hour from time to time, which I didn't realize.
Failed comedian.
No.
Real dum-dum.
jordan holmes
No.
dan friesen
Guy who's not welcome in the intellectual dark web.
jordan holmes
No.
dan friesen
Owen Benjamin.
jordan holmes
Come on.
dan friesen
Is now an InfoWars fourth hour host, and boy.
unidentified
Woof.
jordan holmes
Is his comedy career doing better now?
dan friesen
Great.
He's doing great.
jordan holmes
Good.
I was worried about him.
dan friesen
That is not where it goes off the rails.
It goes off the rails in the third hour.
Because before he hands the baton to Owen Benjamin, he has a guest on the show.
It's actually two dudes.
And these people don't belong on air at all.
What they have done, I can't even remember their names, but it sounds something like the Spaghetti Brothers.
It's very close.
Okay.
Sangatini, bro.
I don't know.
jordan holmes
Who cares?
dan friesen
Okay.
jordan holmes
The Great Santini?
dan friesen
They created a Flash game about Alex.
So, it's a Flash game.
jordan holmes
They created a Flash game.
dan friesen
You can Google this.
It's like Alex versus the NPCs or something like that.
I watched someone beat the game.
It takes four minutes.
And all it is is a cartoon, a crudely drawn cartoon of Alex walking across a plane and he has a hatchet in his hand.
He has like an axe.
And then somebody, there will be like a clip of Lester Holter, somebody on TV saying something, critiquing of Alex.
And you have to hit the button at the right time and it hits them with an axe.
jordan holmes
Yeah, okay.
unidentified
So it's like the plot of Air Force One.
dan friesen
Axe all of them on the way to the end goal.
Trump shows up as the sun and smiles upon you.
It's very fucked up and also probably took them an hour and a half.
jordan holmes
15, 20 minutes?
dan friesen
I'm going to say an hour and a half.
That's my guess.
But because the game is about Alex...
jordan holmes
You're guests on our show!
dan friesen
And he thinks it's the best thing in the world.
Absolutely.
unidentified
Yeah, you can do any search for NPC versus Alex Jones or Alex Jones versus NPC, and you'll find us right there on the first page of the video, or the game will be available there.
And the video has the link to the game.
jordan holmes
You can search the name of our team.
alex jones
I like how Trump is the sun smiling down.
That's a good thing.
unidentified
That always puts me in a good mood.
dan friesen
Yeah, I love Trump being the sun.
jordan holmes
Love Trump being the sun.
That's great.
dan friesen
It reminds me of Mario, where the sun is the bad guy.
3?
Wasn't that right?
Isn't that?
No.
Which Mario game is that?
Mario 2?
No, that's not the sun.
That's just that creepy Fanto.
jordan holmes
Oh, the sun, like the actual sun in the desert world.
dan friesen
Yeah, that's Super Mario 3. Yeah, where you have to jump over the sun.
That freaked me out as a fucking kid.
That's what Trump being the sun reminds me of, is the evil sun in Mario 3. The evil sun who attacks you.
Yeah, yeah.
jordan holmes
You gotta stay out of his flight path.
dan friesen
So, this video game, which I hesitate to call a video game because of its simplicity, But this game, it's Alex Jones killing people with an axe.
And he fucking loves that.
jordan holmes
I don't understand the metaphor there.
dan friesen
He's taking down these NPCs.
jordan holmes
Oh, with an axe.
dan friesen
Saving the world from...
And each time you kill one of them, a new logo will pop up on the side of the screen of what he has destroyed.
jordan holmes
And it'll be like CNN.
unidentified
CNN.
dan friesen
And all of them made sense as it was going along, but then one of them was Pinterest.
I'm like...
Wait, did Alex have beef with Pinterest?
jordan holmes
Absolutely.
dan friesen
What's going on?
jordan holmes
When was the last time you saw a pin on Pinterest of Alex Jones?
dan friesen
I'm going to teach you how to make an apple pie.
jordan holmes
That would be nice.
dan friesen
I wouldn't eat that apple pie.
jordan holmes
God, I would watch a cooking show if Alex was doing it, though.
dan friesen
My very drunk kitchen?
jordan holmes
The Great Fake British Bake Off.
dan friesen
It's just him doing that.
unidentified
We're going to make some fucking turnovers or whatever it is.
dan friesen
Fancy asshole.
So, because the video game involves him killing people with an axe, he finds an axe in studio.
And this leads to...
Trouble.
jordan holmes
Why does he have an accent studio?
dan friesen
I don't know.
jordan holmes
Did he also call that 12-year-old and have him kill a piggy bank again?
dan friesen
Oh, no, that wasn't a 12-year-old.
That was an adult.
jordan holmes
Ah, whatever.
He was talking like...
dan friesen
You know what?
There were similarities in these two interviews because he was trying to impress and hang with that guy.
jordan holmes
Yeah, yeah, yeah.
dan friesen
You kill your piggy bank.
jordan holmes
Hey, look, I'm cool and I'm young.
Yeah.
dan friesen
Kill that dog.
jordan holmes
Yeah.
What do you think about this NPC meme, guys?
dan friesen
It's gonna go away.
But these guys didn't think that.
They decided to make a fucking game out of it.
But he's trying to impress them, and so he pulls out his big axe.
I believe it's maybe a hatchet.
And this is why I had to go find the video.
Because if you listen to this clip, I don't think you'll believe that it accurately describes what is going on in studio.
alex jones
Let's go back to our friends.
There's no one in the studio right now.
I don't know where they got this crazy tomahawk.
Seriously, what are these doing around the office?
But there's camera five about 30 feet away.
And the question is, can I hit camera five?
No training.
The problem is I can definitely get it, but that light's in my way.
This is going to mess up.
I don't want to mess up anything.
But this is the kind of stuff you do on Christmas Eve.
Let me see.
jordan holmes
What?
alex jones
I'm going to do it.
I'm going to do it.
It's all right.
Hit the light.
See, I told you the light was in the way.
Hey, I get three chances.
Bring the hatchet back.
jordan holmes
You are drunk!
dan friesen
He's in the middle of his show.
jordan holmes
Wow, is he drunk.
dan friesen
In studio, he pulls out a hatchet.
He's like, I bet I can hit that camera.
In my professional TV studio with a fucking hatchet.
jordan holmes
That insanely cheap camera that costs us almost no money, and at a time when we are absolutely not hemorrhaging shit tons of money, I am going to throw this hatchet in a metaphor for how I feel about my own show at this point.
dan friesen
I wish to destroy the things that allow me to go deeper into this world that I am in.
It's deeply fucked up.
jordan holmes
That is a subconscious crying for help right there.
dan friesen
I feel like there is a bit of that, which Christmas is a time for that.
Not hatchet throwing!
jordan holmes
No, this is the type of thing you do on Christmas Eve.
Did he say that out loud?
dan friesen
He did.
You know, Christmas is the time where you throw fucking hatchets at electronics.
That's what you do.
jordan holmes
Jesus.
dan friesen
I thought, first of all, when I heard that, I was like, what?
What the fuck's going on here?
Because it's so out of line with not only his show...
Most of the time.
But the rest of this episode, too, I was like, yeah, he's got to just be fucking around with these guys or something.
unidentified
Right.
dan friesen
Found the video.
He's straight up throwing hatchets around the studio.
jordan holmes
And it's a real hatchet.
dan friesen
Oh, you bet.
And it's not small.
It's a pretty big hatchet.
jordan holmes
Why does he have hatchets hanging around the studio?
unidentified
I don't know.
jordan holmes
Did somebody get him hatchets?
dan friesen
I'm going to allow it because, like, maybe there's a toolkit somewhere or something like that.
jordan holmes
With hatchets?
dan friesen
I don't fucking know.
jordan holmes
With multiple hatchets.
It's not the same hatchet each time, is it?
dan friesen
It's one hatchet.
jordan holmes
Oh, okay, good.
dan friesen
He has one hatchet as far as I can tell.
jordan holmes
All right, that is way more acceptable because the way you made it sound, it was like he had a bunch of hatchets like, hey, where did I find this?
Santa Claus bag filled with hatchets.
dan friesen
He has a bunch of guns, one hatchet, as far as I can tell.
And this is actually kind of...
jordan holmes
That internet video fucked me up.
Two guns, one hatchet.
Did you see that one?
dan friesen
This also might be Alex's soft launch into trying to get the Juggalos to like him by doing some hatchet play.
jordan holmes
The Juggalos would not like you, Alex.
dan friesen
So when I was watching this, like I said, completely blown away by what's happening.
And then I thought when he said, I get another try.
I thought that someone in studio would be like, you've had enough, Alex.
Come on.
Alex, calm down.
jordan holmes
Hey.
dan friesen
But it does not go that way.
He gets the hatchet back and tries again.
alex jones
Can someone bring the hatchet back?
jordan holmes
You're drunk.
alex jones
We're going to do it.
Go back to Alex Jones.
I'll get my own hatchet.
jordan holmes
Alex, you're drunk.
alex jones
Go back to Alex Jones.
This is Christmas Eve right now.
jordan holmes
You have attacked me and lied.
dan friesen
So real quick, this is...
That's audio of the game.
It has that shitty guitar riff in it.
So he's flashing back to pictures of the video of the game while one of his attendants or whatever is getting the hatchet back for him and he's probably taking another drink while the camera's off him.
jordan holmes
His aide-de-camp's, if you will.
dan friesen
Yes, absolutely.
alex jones
I can't do things in simulation.
No, no.
You don't approve of it?
unidentified
No, no.
alex jones
No one's in here.
Watch your other room.
All right, back to me.
Let me see if I can get camera five now because I was going to get it.
It's a good 30 feet away.
Just threw it again.
unidentified
He hit a TV.
alex jones
We got to keep going here because third time's the charm right now with the hatchet.
It's Christmas Eve.
My God, here.
We're doing good here with the hats.
unidentified
You guys are the ones that run the hats.
alex jones
This is the final shot.
If I can't make it now, I'm no good.
Stuck in the wall, but I didn't get it.
Actually, it was all 3D.
None of it was real.
None of it was real.
Oh, my God.
Can we zoom in on that TV over there?
That is badass.
dan friesen
So he did hit a camera, or he hit a TV.
jordan holmes
He hit a light, he hit a TV, and he stuck the hatchet in the wall.
dan friesen
The third throw hit the wall, and they panned to where it hit.
It was literally, like, six inches from a fire extinguisher.
If he had nailed that fire extinguisher, it would have been a giant explosion in the studio.
Like, this is crazy levels of irresponsible.
I think that there's something really funny about it if this is a show, like...
I don't know, some sort of shock jock show or something like that.
If this isn't Alex Jones, this is amazing radio.
This is a lunatic drunkenly throwing a hatchet around his million dollar studio.
jordan holmes
Like those assholes on True TV or whatever.
dan friesen
Sure, yeah.
If I saw this in a different context, I'd be all for it.
And on some level, I am for it.
unidentified
All he's doing is destroying his own things.
jordan holmes
This just broke my heart because, goddammit, if the best Christmas gift in history wouldn't be the headline, Alex Jones throws hatchet, blows up his own studio.
dan friesen
I mean, think about it.
jordan holmes
That'd be insane.
dan friesen
I mean, it wouldn't blow up the studio, but it would cause shrapnel if he had hit the fire extinguisher.
The way they panned to it, it's clear that the camera operator was very close to where that hatchet ended up hitting.
jordan holmes
Right.
dan friesen
So if he had hit the guy...
At the camera with the hatchet.
That would have been crazy fucked up.
unidentified
That would have been crazy.
dan friesen
Or if he had hit the fire extinguisher, a piece of metal probably would have shot out and hit the, might have hit one of his staff members.
That could be incredibly fucked up.
He narrowly dodged, like, a real crisis.
jordan holmes
I would have given anything for him to have hit a gas line.
And then, like, just then at the end of the show, been like, Ah, it's Christmas Eve, guys.
I think it's time to light up a cigar.
Click.
I just won't.
Like, can somebody else get me a lighter?
All right.
Boom!
dan friesen
Chestnuts burning on an open studio.
jordan holmes
So good.
dan friesen
Closed studio.
jordan holmes
So good.
dan friesen
Secret location studio.
So, uh, he's drunk as shit.
He's drunk as shit.
That's, like, a level of, like, whoever's in charge, like, he keeps saying no one's here, but there are people there.
jordan holmes
Yeah.
dan friesen
Which leads me to believe that, like, Buckley or his dad or whoever, like...
Normally keeps him in check isn't there.
Right.
That's what he means by that.
jordan holmes
Yeah.
dan friesen
That's why it's okay for him to throw a hatchet around.
No one's here who's actually going to get you in trouble.
You guys, be cool.
I'm the fun guy.
jordan holmes
I own the place.
unidentified
Come on, man.
dan friesen
I'm your fun parent.
unidentified
I'm the guy.
dan friesen
Right.
jordan holmes
Let's have a good time.
Hey, you guys want to smoke a little weed?
Because I'm going to throw a fucking hatchet at you.
Is that what you want?
dan friesen
I still think, even though there's no authority figure there, he went too far.
So they go to commercial, they get done with this interview, and he comes back from commercial, and he has clearly been told, you're done for the day.
alex jones
InfoWars has given the gift of thought.
jordan holmes
Did you get slunker?
alex jones
But you gave us that gift, didn't you?
God, I'd love to have a white Christmas snow on the ground.
My daughters love that.
Only had that once.
Went to Colorado like ten years ago.
Most of my daughters weren't even born then.
I got three dollars.
God Almighty, I'm blessed.
You know, I've got a special report I want to air about LeBron James, who is a good-looking, really talented guy, but he's a traitor against humanity.
He's a real piece of crap.
dan friesen
So he ends up playing like a 10-minute special report that he recorded apparently the day before in a hotel room.
It's clearly an instance of like whoever is like there and on the level is like Alex.
You're in no shape to be on air.
You're throwing a hatchet around the studio for no fucking reason.
We keep telling you...
jordan holmes
What are you, my dad?
dan friesen
You could hear while he was throwing the hatchet, there were people who were like, mmm, and he was pushing back against it.
It was clearly a thing that's like, we need to save you from yourself.
You're done.
It's the third hour.
Owen Benjamin will be here to host the fourth hour shortly.
Just throw it to a special report.
That's all you have to do.
You've got to go to bed or you've got to take a nap or get some coffee in you or something because you're a danger to yourself and our show.
jordan holmes
Literally, you are a physical danger.
To everyone here.
dan friesen
Before you were even that drunk, you admitted that you told Roger to contact Assange.
jordan holmes
Everybody's fine with that.
dan friesen
What are you going to do if we let you do the next 15 minutes?
jordan holmes
That's kind of the fun of a really awful asshole boss, though, is whenever he admits to committing treason on air, you're like, ha ha ha, this is going to be a good day!
dan friesen
Yeah.
I don't know.
So that's where we leave off, because who cares about his LeBron James report?
jordan holmes
Oh, we don't want to know about his LeBron James report?
dan friesen
A lot of bullshit.
jordan holmes
Oh, we don't want to know about...
dan friesen
Might be racially charged in some ways.
jordan holmes
No, no, no.
dan friesen
Also very relevant to Christmas.
unidentified
Well, I mean, LeBron did...
jordan holmes
You know, he got injured on Christmas Day, so that could be Alex's doing.
Could be.
dan friesen
Could be the Patriots.
jordan holmes
Now, he didn't tear his groin, though, so that could be...
It's a double miracle.
Alex gets what he wants, but we also get to have LeBron back next week.
dan friesen
Everybody wins a little bit.
So yeah, I mean, this is all to say Merry Christmas to one and all.
This was crazy, because when I sat down, I really expected, I fully fucking expected Alex to take a day off from the nonsense.
jordan holmes
I thought it was going to be all religion, right?
dan friesen
I did too.
I thought it was going to be a retelling of the story of Christmas, maybe with him misinterpreting some things.
I thought it was going to be funny, like him trying to weave around the idea of not allowing immigrants.
jordan holmes
At the same time being like, Jesus would never have been born if they didn't allow immigrants.
dan friesen
I thought there was going to be something like that.
A repackaging of Christmas mythology.
Something.
And instead, we get, I told Roger to contact Julian Assange.
We get, I'm drunk and throwing an axe around the fucking studio.
We get, I'm incapable of evil.
It's just, he's so far gone that he's unpredictable on a level that is...
jordan holmes
I know.
dan friesen
It's funny if you detach a little bit.
jordan holmes
Yeah.
dan friesen
Devoid of the world we live in, this is hilarious.
jordan holmes
Yes.
dan friesen
In the world we live in, it's terrifying and very sad.
jordan holmes
It's like if you're an uncle.
And you go to your brother or sister's place and their kids are just hell races and they're throwing shit all around and you're like, ha ha ha, I'm the uncle.
I'm gonna fucking, yeah, let's get these guys doing all kinds of crazy shit.
I'm your fun uncle.
But if you're the parents, you're like, this motherfucker has burned goddamn the White House to the ground and it is ruining everything and you're breaking everything.
You need to stop it!
dan friesen
Or if you're the uncle, but you guys live in a duplex.
Ooh, that's so good, yeah.
Or live next door or something.
Or live in the same house or whatever.
We have to share an apartment of a country.
jordan holmes
Right, right, right.
dan friesen
And it's unfortunate how not too far outside the conservative mainstream, a lot of the beliefs that he's espousing are, which is really scary.
jordan holmes
He's a...
Child.
dan friesen
On fucking Christmas Eve, this is what he brings to the table.
It's fucking nonsense.
jordan holmes
That I can't do evil speech is clearly guilt.
Like that I can't do evil speech is 100% his way of expressing how guilty he feels about all the evil that he's doing.
dan friesen
Which is what you do on Christmas.
jordan holmes
Right.
That and throw a hatchet.
dan friesen
The thing that's even crazier is the fundamental premise of his existence is to be basically a Christian, white, Western apologist.
That is what he does.
That's what he's done almost his entire career, dating back to the days of Waco and Oklahoma City and his militia roots.
Coming into studio on Christmas Eve and doing some sort of a fake intellectualized version of why Christmas is great.
jordan holmes
Yeah.
dan friesen
Serves that purpose.
And the fact that he can't even get there to do that means he's not having fun with anything.
unidentified
No.
dan friesen
The only thing he can have fun with anymore is getting really drunk and throwing an axe around his studio.
And that doesn't bode well for 2019.
unidentified
Nope.
dan friesen
But it bodes well for me because I still think it's hilarious.
alex jones
We're having a great time.
jordan holmes
Yeah, yeah, yeah.
No, no, no.
This is way better than a normal present-day Alex episode.
If he starts throwing hatchets as a segment, I'm in.
dan friesen
I feel empathy, but at the same time, I also think it's good radio.
jordan holmes
It is good radio.
dan friesen
Whatever.
Anyway, Merry Christmas, Alex.
jordan holmes
Merry Christmas, Alex.
dan friesen
I wish you nothing.
jordan holmes
I don't know.
Samhain.
dan friesen
We'll see what he does for New Year's.
That'll probably be even better.
unidentified
Oh, man.
jordan holmes
He is going to be drunk as shit.
dan friesen
Love to see him do a countdown.
jordan holmes
Ooh.
dan friesen
Ooh, we might end up finding out what the secret of 2019 is.
unidentified
Oh, shit.
jordan holmes
We're going to have to do so many secrets of.
dan friesen
I can't wait to find out what that is.
jordan holmes
We didn't get a secret of 2018, did we?
dan friesen
We didn't, but we might get the secret of 2019 because the Christmas gift of InfoWars is the knowledge of the future.
unidentified
That's true.
dan friesen
Which we learned earlier.
jordan holmes
That is true.
dan friesen
That's fantastic.
jordan holmes
Yeah.
dan friesen
Anyway, this is the end of the episode.
jordan holmes
Alex committed a crime, everybody.
Just in case anybody missed it.
It's weird how our episodes work in that the single biggest news that happened is that Alex literally said that he directed Roger to commit a crime.
dan friesen
Yeah, I mean, yeah.
There is that.
The only reason I don't put too much stock in it is that, like, I do believe Alex when he's saying that because it doesn't feel like his normal lying.
The way he's expressing that and being like, we talked off air.
You and I know that.
I'm not telling your business.
He's defensive about telling it.
It's almost like, I don't want to say this.
jordan holmes
If it was something that he was like, I don't mean to brag, but I told you to do this whole thing.
dan friesen
Or if he was like, I was there, you were working at Fox and you came on to enforce, I'll leave it at that.
Just the sort of thing that he always does.
The fact that he actually spelled out the...
I wanted to hire you on the condition that you got in touch with Julian Assange.
I mean, it's fucked up.
It's very fucked up.
jordan holmes
That's fucked up.
dan friesen
But I still don't know what actions Alex could or could not have taken that reached the level of crime.
jordan holmes
It seems bad.
Dear FBI.
dan friesen
I mean, it seems bad.
It seems like he shouldn't be saying that.
jordan holmes
I don't even think we need...
That's not even like a Mueller thing.
That's just like a regular FBI thing.
Hey, regular FBI not investigating this shit.
unidentified
Maybe.
dan friesen
I mean, it fills in some sort of timeline questions and stuff like that.
jordan holmes
Sure does.
dan friesen
Like the idea of when was Roger actively trying to get in touch with Julian Assange?
I mean, obviously Alex does know because he told him to.
I don't know.
jordan holmes
And we know that it wasn't while he was part of the official campaign.
dan friesen
That's true.
jordan holmes
So this is after, and presumably after he's been let go by Fox News.
He doesn't have a gig.
He gets this bullshit offer from Alex, and then he starts saying, I want to help the Trump campaign out, which is kind of leveraging his...
dan friesen
That's unfair.
Roger left the campaign.
I believe he quit.
I don't think he got fired.
I think that was an intentional fake beef between Trump.
jordan holmes
I agree.
dan friesen
But he left in August of 2016.
I'm sorry.
2015.
And when he left, even after Trump was saying that he fired him and all that shit, Roger was very clear.
That he still supported Trump.
Some of it was couched in being anti-Hillary, but it was also, if the perception was that he was fired, it looks very magnanimous that he still supports Trump.
And if he quit, if you believe he quit, it looks like he just believes so strongly in what Trump stands for that his whole line on it was, I wasn't being effective in the campaign, I could help out better outside.
So he never, even though he quit slash got fired, whatever.
Even though that, he never stopped supporting Trump.
So from the jump in the campaign, no matter at what point he was trying to reach out to WikiLeaks, whether it be at the behest of Trump or Alex, which is a weird thing that we now have to consider.
jordan holmes
I don't know.
dan friesen
He was still under the aegis of the campaign.
jordan holmes
Yeah, he has to be thinking that he's going to get a pardon.
That's the only way any of his actions make sense.
dan friesen
Yeah.
jordan holmes
It's the only way.
He's figuring he's going to get a HW deal.
Or a Nixon deal.
dan friesen
Of course he'll take a lot of the heat in terms of being a lightning rod for attention with his lawsuit against Mueller and stuff.
Roger will sort of slide a little bit.
The information will come out.
They'll deny it.
They'll say fake news.
All this stuff.
Blabbity blue.
I tried to get in touch with them.
Sure, I was unsuccessful.
X, Y, or Z. They'll get a pardon because why bring the country through this trouble?
jordan holmes
They can indict a ham sandwich.
Yeah, yeah, yeah.
dan friesen
It'll be something like that, probably.
I don't know.
Or maybe it won't.
Who fucking knows?
I have no idea.
All I know is what Alex tells me.
And what he told me is he told Roger to contact Julian Assange.
So, Merry Christmas, Alex.
jordan holmes
As a special Christmas gift, Alex, please tell us about more crimes you have committed.
dan friesen
Or throw more axes.
unidentified
Yeah.
jordan holmes
That'd be great.
dan friesen
Throw an axe our way at our website, knowledgefight.com.
jordan holmes
Nice!
dan friesen
Not that nice.
jordan holmes
No, it wasn't.
It's all right.
dan friesen
We also have an axe Twitter.
It's knowledge underscore fight.
unidentified
Right.
jordan holmes
You can find us on Facebook.
dan friesen
Yep, we're there.
We have a group called Go Home and Tell Your Mother You're Brilliant!
jordan holmes
Indeed, you can find us on the iTunes.
Throw a subscribe, throw a review, throw an X our way, baby.
dan friesen
Absolutely.
So, we get to the end of this episode, and I will say that...
jordan holmes
I'll say right now, the cameraman who got an X thrown near his way...
dan friesen
Did not kill anybody.
jordan holmes
Did not kill anybody.
dan friesen
But one guy, not with an X, probably.
But he did kill a guy, technically, probably.
Alex Jones.
Could have been two today.
Thankfully, it was not.
Alex Jones technically probably killed a guy.
alex jones
Andy in Kansas, you're on the air.
Thanks for holding.
unidentified
Hello, Alex.
jordan holmes
I'm a first-time caller.
unidentified
I'm a huge fan.
I love your work.
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