Today, Dan and Jordan are sent on a time-travel adventure by Policy Wonk George Soros Jr. The gents are sent back to see what Alex Jones' angle was on the 2014 Ebola outbreak, to cover the day after it was reported that there was a confirmed case in Texas. Actually, this episode covers 4 days after that news was reported, since Alex was on vacation at the time, and this is his first day back.
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| Andy in Kansas, you're on the air. | ||
| Thanks for holding. | ||
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Hello, Alex. | |
| I'm a first-time caller. | ||
| I'm a huge fan. | ||
| I love your work. | ||
| I love you. | ||
| Hey, everybody. | ||
| Welcome back to Knowledge Fight. | ||
| I'm Dan. | ||
| I'm Jordan. | ||
| We're a couple dudes who like to sit around, drink novelty beverages, and talk a little bit about Alex Jones. | ||
| Indeed we are. | ||
| Dan? | ||
| What up? | ||
| Dan? | ||
| Hey. | ||
| What's the most work you ever had to do to get a bottle of wine? | ||
|
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Hmm. | |
| One time, I found a bunch of grapes. | ||
| What the fuck are you talking about? | ||
| I bought a vineyard. | ||
| I don't know. | ||
| I've gone to the store to buy a bottle of wine. | ||
| What the fuck? | ||
| What kind of story do you expect there to be in this question? | ||
| Maybe what I should more say, what's the furthest you've gone to get alcohol? | ||
| When have you been in a situation? | ||
| There have been hundreds of times when I've walked hours. | ||
| Yeah, see? | ||
| But it's only because I never found it. | ||
| Right. | ||
| Especially around the area we are in Uptown in Chicago, there's so many places that close super early, but you have this idea that if you just go five more blocks, you'll find someplace. | ||
| Oh, it's going to be somewhere. | ||
| And I've done that a number of times in the past few years, just walking around for like an hour and a half. | ||
| I've got to give up. | ||
| Do you not have any, like, high school stories? | ||
| No, no, like a high school story? | ||
| I had a big beard in high school, so I had no trouble, really. | ||
| I found booze pretty easily once I started drinking. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| Because I had a beard. | ||
| I would just go, and people would rarely ever card me. | ||
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Yeah, that's fair. | |
| That's fair. | ||
| So that never was too big of an issue. | ||
| And then I started hanging out at this gutter punk bar, and they just didn't give a shit either. | ||
| They all assumed I was of age. | ||
| And I worked at a gas station when I worked there. | ||
| They all assumed I was 21, so they just sold me booze at the gas station I worked at. | ||
| All right. | ||
| So, yeah, booze was never really a problem. | ||
| You had a cheat code. | ||
| Your beard is a cheat code to age. | ||
| Yeah, certainly. | ||
| Since you were nine, you've been 21. Yeah, kind of. | ||
| I mean, I didn't start drinking until, I don't know, 17 or so. | ||
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Really? | |
| Maybe 16, 17. Yeah. | ||
| That's not too far off. | ||
| No, no. | ||
| And I didn't come in hot. | ||
| Right. | ||
| It took me a little while to get to the point where I'm like, oh, I got my booze legs. | ||
| I can sort of sort it out. | ||
| I jumped in. | ||
| Full force. | ||
| Like, the first time I drank it was because one of my friends, and this is the length that we had to go to booze. | ||
| See, this is why you asked me the question. | ||
| No, no, no. | ||
| I asked you the question because there's a gift situation. | ||
| I had to go a long way to find a specific bottle of wine for somebody for a gift. | ||
| Oh, I see. | ||
| But this is the way that my childhood as far as buying booze went. | ||
| One of my friends stole a bottle of Jack. | ||
| A full-on fifth from the rec center in our town. | ||
| Why did the rec center have Jack Daniels? | ||
| Isn't there so many questions that need to be answered? | ||
| That's the first of them. | ||
| How did he know? | ||
| Where did he go? | ||
| How did he steal it in the first place? | ||
| I guess if it's in the filing cabinet or something like that and the employees nip into it or something, it gives a shit. | ||
| But he didn't work there. | ||
| Someone had to have snitched on the bottle. | ||
| Something like that. | ||
| What's the fucking story? | ||
| We just essentially drank the whole bottle. | ||
| My first time drinking, we drank an entire bottle of whiskey together. | ||
| My first time drinking in earnest was at a park. | ||
| Of course. | ||
| Everybody's usually, when you're that age, you go to a park. | ||
| Mine was an attic, but okay. | ||
| I was hanging out with my friend John and Aaron, a couple dudes I knew from my K-Life group. | ||
| K-Life small group. | ||
| That's right. | ||
| That's right. | ||
| Nothing says Jesus more than drinking in a park. | ||
| Right, right. | ||
| We were sort of more rebellious end of our small group in K-Life. | ||
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Yeah. | |
| And Aaron's parents had a liquor cabinet, and they had... | ||
| What did we take? | ||
| We took a bottle of wine, a bottle of red wine, and a bottle of peppermint schnapps. | ||
| And we went to the park. | ||
| The devil's drink. | ||
| Yeah, we were drinking those. | ||
| And because we were so young and dumb, we decided to mix them together. | ||
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No! | |
| And so we ended up... | ||
| We were like halfway done with them. | ||
| We mixed them together and we had wine and peppermint schnapps. | ||
| It was disgusting. | ||
| To make matters worse, it was freezing out. | ||
| I feel like that would open a portal into hell. | ||
| Nobody's ever done that before. | ||
| It's crazy that I drank again after that, because it was a fucking awful time in the middle of a cold park with wine and schnapps. | ||
| Jesus. | ||
| Did you get to the end of that story? | ||
| Yeah, that's the end of that story. | ||
| Oh, you found a bottle of booze at the rec center. | ||
| The story is, he didn't find it, he stole it. | ||
| He like, Ocean's Elevened it. | ||
| As he told it. | ||
| I see, I see. | ||
| This story is about how hard it was to get, not the actual drinking. | ||
| Sure, sure, sure. | ||
| God, I hate you. | ||
| Fine. | ||
| I love you. | ||
| You know what I love and don't hate is our listeners and our donors. | ||
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Nice! | |
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| First of them, boy, this one is tough to pronounce, but I'm going to say it's Quizzix. | ||
| Thank you so much. | ||
| You are now a policy wonk. | ||
| I'm a policy wonk. | ||
| Thank you, Quizzix. | ||
| I like Quizzix. | ||
| Yeah, I like quizzes. | ||
| The word quick, because it's in Nesquik. | ||
| How much further are we going to go? | ||
| No further. | ||
| Are we going to make fun of my stories now? | ||
| Yep. | ||
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Four stars. | |
| Go home to your mother and tell her you're brilliant. | ||
| Someone sodomite sent me a bucket of poop. | ||
| Daddy Shark. | ||
| Bop, bop, bop, bop, bop, bop. | ||
| Jar Jar Binks has a Caribbean black accent. | ||
| He's a loser little titty baby. | ||
| I don't want to hate black people. | ||
| I renounce Jesus Christ. | ||
| Thank you so much, April. | ||
| Thank you very much, April. | ||
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| We would appreciate it. | ||
| Indeed, you can't. | ||
| Now, Jordan, before we get into today's business, I think it is important for us to take a little second to give a special message out there to a listener who's out there in his car. | ||
| He's out there driving around probably this morning from what I hear. | ||
| This guy's celebrating a birthday. | ||
| Hold on. | ||
| Is he driving a snowplow? | ||
| I feel like it's important for him to be driving a snowplow, saving lives. | ||
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What's the furthest you've ever gone to get into a snowplow? | |
| Six miles. | ||
| I don't need to give details. | ||
| We'd like to go a little bit out of our way to send a special thank you message out there to Walt. | ||
| Thank you so much for listening to the show. | ||
| Happy birthday to you. | ||
| Lee sent us a message, and we all wish you... | ||
| What, are you snitching on Lee? | ||
| I feel like that's public information. | ||
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You can't be snitching on Lee. | |
| No, no, no. | ||
| The message is coming from us and them. | ||
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No, no. | |
| It needs to be more like we have a weird psychic connection to Walt. | ||
| Like, we've always known Walt's birthday. | ||
| Sure, sure. | ||
| Before Walt's ever even listened to the fucking show! | ||
| We always knew Walt's birthday! | ||
| There we go. | ||
| That's a good angle. | ||
| I'm going to resist taking that angle. | ||
| I mean, Jordan, the only thing we can do is sing happy birthday. | ||
| Okay, no. | ||
| Hold on. | ||
| One second. | ||
| Let's hit a C. Let's harmonize. | ||
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I'm almost positive there are so many other things we can do that sing happy birthday. | |
| Harmonize with me. | ||
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I'm not harmonizing with you because that is not a C. Happy birthday. | |
| No, this is worse. | ||
| It's not in the public domain. | ||
| I can't sing it. | ||
| Anyway, happy birthday, Walt. | ||
| Hope you have a great one. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
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Yeah. | |
| Happy birthday. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| That's great. | ||
| So now, Jordan, let's get into today's business. | ||
| Wacky Wednesday is upon us, and we might need to change the name of Wacky Wednesday from Wacky Wednesday to maybe just Wild Wednesday or Weird Wednesday or something like that, because sometimes it's not all that wacky. | ||
| Are we married to the alliteration? | ||
| Could we just call it, like, Out of the Ordinary Wednesday? | ||
| That's a little bit clunky. | ||
| Is that a little clunky? | ||
| Doesn't roll off the tongue. | ||
| Harmonize with me on it. | ||
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That's a good C. You don't know shit. | |
| I was almost in the Honolulu Boys Choir. | ||
| Oh man, my mom is a music teacher. | ||
| My little sister is a music teacher. | ||
| I have been involved in many musical pursuits, including... | ||
| That's right. | ||
| Musical theater. | ||
| Cool. | ||
| The greatest of art forms. | ||
| I was in a musical in high school called We Has Jazz. | ||
| That wasn't in high school. | ||
| That was in junior high, middle school? | ||
| That was three years ago in community theater. | ||
| It was a middle school production. | ||
| It also was three years ago. | ||
| Don't want to talk about it. | ||
| I wandered into a middle school. | ||
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I've been walking a long time trying to find booze. | |
| Just turned out to be an audition, and who knew I got it? | ||
| We should just call this Riff-heavy Wednesday, apparently. | ||
| Look. | ||
| The thing is, Wednesday is going to serve as a sort of additional episode. | ||
| We'll obviously still be doing a lot of stuff about Project Cam a lot. | ||
| Obviously going to dip back in eventually to Reverend Manning, Coach Dave, Jim Baker. | ||
| I'll certainly keep my eye on him for times we can talk about him. | ||
| And we've gotten a lot of great suggestions from people about stuff that might fit into that fold. | ||
| And I'm keeping my eyes open, looking for possibilities for that. | ||
| But also, like I said, I think it is also a perfect place for us to fulfill time travel requests. | ||
| Absolutely. | ||
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So today we are going to be doing a time travel request and honoring the wish of one George Soros Jr., Why are you pointing at me? | |
| Because... | ||
| If you're a Doctor Who fan, that means today is a timey-wimey Wednesday. | ||
| I like it. | ||
| Thank you very much. | ||
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Fine. | |
| That'll be whenever we do time travel. | ||
| When do we do a time travel Wednesday? | ||
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Yeah, yeah, yeah. | |
| For sure. | ||
| That works. | ||
| It retains the alliteration. | ||
| Everything is good. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| So George Soros Jr., who I have no idea who that actually is. | ||
| It's absolutely not Alexander Soros or anyone related to Soros. | ||
| Are you sure? | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| I'm pretty sure. | ||
| Hey, I'm telling you, the Kennedys hid one of their kids in an asylum. | ||
| Right. | ||
| I got an update on that. | ||
| It is true, and it's very sad. | ||
| Oh, it is true? | ||
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It is very sad. | |
| Oh, I thought it was a joke! | ||
| Nope. | ||
| No! | ||
| We laughed about that, and I got a message about it, and I felt very bad. | ||
| No, that can't be real. | ||
| I like to learn, but... | ||
| Oh, no. | ||
| Now I feel awful. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| So, George Soros Jr. got in touch with me and wanted to know about what Alex Jones talked about when the Ebola outbreak happened in 2014. | ||
| Okay. | ||
| I was going to say, which? | ||
| In 1976. | ||
| I don't know why I was like witch. | ||
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That's... | |
| You are... | ||
| You're in a mood right now. | ||
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It's fun. | |
| It's a fun mood. | ||
| It's a riffy, riffy kind of day. | ||
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Yeah. | |
| I like the idea of unnecessary response questions. | ||
| The Ebola outbreak. | ||
| Oh, which? | ||
| So many to choose from. | ||
| So, in 2014, there was a bit of an Ebola outbreak that centered in West Africa. | ||
| It was centered largely and began in Guinea. | ||
| And then eventually spread into Sierra Leone and Liberia, where it was the worst. | ||
| And Liberia was particularly hit hard by this. | ||
| It ended up getting taken care of and then getting worse. | ||
| Or not getting worse. | ||
| Maybe it got worse. | ||
| I'm not entirely sure how you judge that. | ||
| But Sierra Leone and Liberia were declared free of Ebola and then more cases popped up. | ||
| And it ended up going on until 2016. | ||
| Like, 2016 is when all of it ended. | ||
| In earnest. | ||
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Right. | |
| And that period of time was very heavy in the propaganda community. | ||
| The people made a lot of mileage out of the idea that Ebola was on the rise and all that stuff. | ||
| And they had two years to fucking make pay out of it. | ||
| Well, but even in 2014 particularly, it was pretty serious. | ||
| And so in September 20... | ||
| September 2014 is when things got to be like, it's getting outside of Africa. | ||
| And there was a case in the United States. | ||
| The first case was in Dallas, actually. | ||
| And it was announced on September 30th, 2014. | ||
| So because George Soros Jr. gave me such vague, I don't mean this judgmentally, but gave me a vague idea of where to go to. | ||
| I was like, okay. | ||
| The first case is in Texas. | ||
| Alex has got to freak out about this. | ||
| This is in Austin, this is in Dallas, but it's still got to be like, okay. | ||
| So that was announced on the 30th. | ||
| I'm going to October 1st. | ||
| Why not? | ||
| That's got to be a fucking freak out show. | ||
| It's like the beginning of Outbreak. | ||
| Right. | ||
| Absolutely. | ||
| Yeah, yeah, yeah. | ||
| As is almost always the case. | ||
| No mention of it. | ||
| No. | ||
| This is a weird trend that I've noticed from these time travel requests that people make. | ||
| Alex is almost never in studio when big news breaks. | ||
| Whenever the Pope resigned, he was on vacation and David Knight was hosting. | ||
| When the Ebola outbreak happened and there was a case in Texas, he's on vacation and Paul Joseph Watson's hosting. | ||
| And so we're not going to do that. | ||
| Hell no. | ||
| So I found the first episode where Alex is back from vacation after there was a case in the United States, in Texas, of someone with Ebola. | ||
| And that happens to be October 5th, 2014. | ||
| And that is the episode we'll be going over today. | ||
| Okay. | ||
| We'll be getting into the specifics of the actual outbreak and some of that stuff along the way. | ||
| But it is actually interesting. | ||
| A lot of Alex's angle on it is kind of... | ||
| Kind of predictable, but then there's a lot to learn along the way, too. | ||
| I feel like this is also going to be one of our time travel episode trends where it's like, whatever it was that you were asking for that got us to the time travel episode, we wind up talking about everything but that. | ||
| I don't think so in this case, but that was the case with the Malaysian plane for sure. | ||
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Yeah, yeah, yeah. | |
| In this instance, I think it's a lot about the actual Ebola stuff. | ||
| Oh, no shit! | ||
| No, he's lying about a lot of it. | ||
| No, of course! | ||
| Well, hold on. | ||
| It is still Alex. | ||
| Yeah, yeah, yeah. | ||
| But it is interesting. | ||
| He's actually on topic, and part of that might be because he's recharged from vacation. | ||
| And then another piece of it might be... | ||
| Or he has Ebola. | ||
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Could be. | |
| Another part of it might be that this is also a Sunday show. | ||
| October 5th is a Sunday show, so he has less time to fill. | ||
| I think he feels less pressured. | ||
| And at this period in his career, that was still much more of a lucrative thing for him. | ||
| It was still, I believe the syndication of it was higher than his Genesis Communications. | ||
| So when we started this episode today, Jordan, I'll be honest with you, I had fully intended to not tell you why I chose October 5th, 2014. | ||
| Instead of giving me a detailed reasoning for choosing it. | ||
| I was going to try and be like, hey, here's the date. | ||
| Do you know why it is? | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| Yeah, yeah, yeah. | ||
| I would pick up on that one. | ||
| And then I could have played the first clip where he says, like, we're going to talk about Ebola, and you'd be like, God damn it. | ||
| That could have happened. | ||
| In another universe, that is how this episode started. | ||
| But in this universe, it starts with us playing an Out of Context drop from today's show. | ||
| It's so sick how men will corner you in an elevator and go, what do you think about Dallas Cowboys? | ||
| I'm sorry, I don't follow that. | ||
| I'm not manly. | ||
| I'm not manly like you. | ||
| Okay. | ||
| It's so crazy. | ||
| It's so crazy to me when he does these things with masculinity. | ||
| He has it from both sides. | ||
| He wants all of it. | ||
| He wants every part of the buffalo of making you feel things about masculinity. | ||
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Yeah, yeah, yeah. | |
| He wants to scream about it being under attack, but he also wants to attack the masculinity of people who like football because they're too masculine. | ||
| Right. | ||
| It's very confusing. | ||
| I don't know. | ||
| Anyway, it seems very... | ||
| Unmasculine? | ||
| As masculine being in his conception? | ||
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Yeah, yeah, yeah. | |
| I have no baggage in terms of that. | ||
| I don't care to be like, you like football, that's too much. | ||
| I got nothing. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| Anyway, let's get into this episode. | ||
| Here's how the episode starts with Alex introducing the topic of Ebola. | ||
| It's hard to believe it's already the fifth day of October 2014. | ||
| I'm your host, Alex Jones. | ||
| We're live. | ||
| We're broadcasting worldwide, simulcasting video at Infowars.com forward slash show. | ||
| I want to open the phones up today and talk to Texans, but Americans and other people around the world, for that matter, about the handling of Ebola 2014. | ||
| I'll say that he does not open up the phones for another 48 minutes after this, so he didn't want to do it that badly. | ||
| Who won that election? | ||
| Was it Ebola or was it McCain in 2014? | ||
| I don't remember. | ||
| McCain won the battle. | ||
| That was his Senate. | ||
| Ebola won the war. | ||
| Okay, okay. | ||
| All right. | ||
| Little known fact that brain cancer was caused by Ebola. | ||
| Really? | ||
| That's what I've heard. | ||
| I don't know. | ||
| I read it on fucking World News Daily. | ||
| World Net Daily. | ||
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I don't know. | |
| Might as well be true. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| So Alex has got a lot of feelings about this Ebola situation. | ||
| And you can obviously predict where he's going to go with this. | ||
| I'm certain you can. | ||
| I don't want to put you on the spot. | ||
| I'm not trying to pimp you into this, but I really think you can guess. | ||
| All right. | ||
| Here is my theory. | ||
| This is going to be good. | ||
| It's going to be good if you're right. | ||
| It's going to be great if you're wrong. | ||
| So this is prior to our 2015 investigation. | ||
| But I'm going to say that a lot of the lessons that I learned in 2015 should still be applicable in 2014. | ||
| It's not that far away. | ||
| Yeah, I think so. | ||
| And in October, that was close to when we started our 2015 investigation. | ||
| He's closer to early 2015 Investigation Alex than other versions of Alex that we've seen in the past. | ||
| So if you want to use that as a metric, go for it. | ||
| Alright, so here's the facts. | ||
| Just the facts, man. | ||
| Just the facts, man. | ||
| We on Dragnet? | ||
| Yes, we are on Dragnet. | ||
| Alright, come on. | ||
| I am a 1950s comedy writer that is repurposing. | ||
| Come on. | ||
| Alright. | ||
| I am 100% certain that this is Obama's fault. | ||
| You bet! | ||
| I am 100% certain that there's going to be a lot of racism involved because it's in Africa, while at the same time he's going to pretend that he is a crusader for African people in order to make sure that everybody knows that he still cares about black people. | ||
| I think the racism is fairly veiled, but it's certainly there. | ||
| I assume it's part of the globalist's larger plan. | ||
| They're doing a soft launch of... | ||
| Of genetic diseases and bioweapons in Africa, because they know you won't care about them. | ||
| But the one time that a guy lands in Dallas, that's how we know that they're beginning the full assault, Dan! | ||
| Jordan, you've just got a B on your final exam this semester. | ||
| I'll take a B. There's some elements in there that you fucking nailed, and then there's some things you couldn't possibly expect that are also part of his narrative, like this. | ||
| And they've got MSNBC headlines. | ||
| How the NRA is making the Ebola crisis worse. | ||
| I've seen headlines about Perry better do a good job with Ebola in Texas or he'll be in political trouble. | ||
| How is it Rick Perry's job to control the airplanes flying in? | ||
| That's a federal. | ||
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Oh, so that's what the federal government does. | |
| We finally found out what the federal government does. | ||
| Is that what the federal government is for? | ||
| Shuts down planes. | ||
| Controlling when planes go to Texas. | ||
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I guess. | |
| How is it Rick Perry's fault if a plane lands in Texas? | ||
| I mean, it is like the FAA, right? | ||
| I mean, it's the federal aviation. | ||
| I guess. | ||
| But, like, Alex, you don't give anybody a pass on anything and be like, fuck it, it's the Fed's fault. | ||
| People wanted to build a fucking road! | ||
| He lost his mind. | ||
| But hey, look, the federal government can fly planes wherever they want. | ||
| I don't understand the skies. | ||
| He hates Rick Perry. | ||
| And to his credit, he's not letting Rick Perry off the hook here. | ||
| But he is saying that what he needs to do is get in Obama's fucking face about this. | ||
| Rick Perry isn't being aggressive enough to Obama about it. | ||
| That's the deficiency of Rick Perry. | ||
| Because of the flights, that's a federal. | ||
| And by the way, where that clip ended where he says, that's a federal. | ||
| That's where the sentence ends. | ||
| But also we see this introduction of this news story that the NRA is making the Ebola crisis worse. | ||
| Alex is fucking not happy about that. | ||
| That's a headline, baby. | ||
| That both sounds like it will be backed up by some statistics. | ||
| And if you continue to think about it, you're like, I don't want to throw them on this one. | ||
| The NRA can't possibly be making Ebola worse. | ||
| The Ebola crisis. | ||
| Well, they can probably make it sound worse. | ||
| I don't think they're actively going out and giving people who wouldn't otherwise get Ebola. | ||
| Ebola. | ||
| We will find out exactly what this article is about as soon as Alex actually talks about it. | ||
| But for now, he's just complaining about a headline. | ||
| Here we go. | ||
| Because he hasn't read the article. | ||
| Spoiler alert, when it gets to the article, he still hasn't read it. | ||
| But he also has to complain about PC culture and how that's involved in this whole Ebola crisis. | ||
| Don't understand that, but fine. | ||
| And political correctness has paralyzed this country. | ||
| That's what it's designed to do. | ||
| Like Ebola. | ||
| Last few years we've seen articles at colleges across the United States and England where they say don't have a Halloween party and don't dress up like a geisha girl or an Eskimo or a cowboy or a Native American or a pirate because it's hurtful. | ||
| I advise you to dress up like a cowboy and none of this. | ||
| A friend sent me from their big yoga studio that they attend where they were going to have an India-style party. | ||
| What? | ||
| Bollywood, do you mean? | ||
| They said, well, we had complaints that it would be racist if we dressed up like people from India. | ||
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No, if you put a lot of makeup on your face to make you look like you're Indian, yeah. | |
| And so we're going to shut it down. | ||
| Wearing a surree is fine. | ||
| We can't even shut flights down from countries where they're estimating 1.4 to 5 million people will get Ebola by the time it runs its course. | ||
| They are trying to get out en masse. | ||
| So this idea that he's perpetuating there is this idea that PC culture is stopping us from talking about this as it really is. | ||
| In the same way, they won't let me dress up like a geisha girl or something. | ||
| Yes, don't use someone's fucking ethnicity as a costume. | ||
| That is very insensitive. | ||
| That is a good rule of thumb, Alex. | ||
| I don't know about this yoga studio that you're talking about because it sounds a lot like that time that you wore a Nazi hat at a party. | ||
| Hey, no! | ||
| It was a boatman's cap. | ||
| Those things that the yoga studio people are talking about, how like, we can't have a fun India party. | ||
| That sounds exactly like the side characters in the Nazi hat. | ||
| Halloween story? | ||
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Oh, yeah, yeah, yeah. | |
| Where they're like, I can't even wear a costume anymore! | ||
| Everyone's offended! | ||
| Oh, it's terrible! | ||
| It almost sounds like a made-up character in a story you're trying to make a point with. | ||
| Come on, Alex, wouldn't you be so offended if a black person dressed up as chicken fingers and fries and stole your culture? | ||
| So, he's saying that millions of people are going to get Ebola. | ||
| They're predicting. | ||
| And also, he eventually does end up saying that hundreds of thousands of people have it. | ||
| He's going to say that. | ||
| I want to tell you that when it was all over in 2016, June 2016, Guinea was officially declared Ebola-free. | ||
| 28,600 people total got Ebola. | ||
| Between Guinea, Liberia, Sierra Leone, other countries in Mali, Nigeria, Italy, the United Kingdom, there was a case there, a couple people in Spain, Senegal. | ||
| And the US. | ||
| Holy shit. | ||
| Can we just say real quick. | ||
| That's amazing. | ||
| If you are against vaccines, go fucking fuck yourself. | ||
| But even then, if you are against vaccines, our system of rooting out disease, if that's the total number of people got it now, that is fucking incredible. | ||
| Especially over a two year plus time frame. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| Everyone should be like, holy shit. | ||
| Great job, guys! | ||
| It could have been way worse. | ||
| It could have been immensely worse. | ||
| And there were 11,325 deaths out of those 28,600 people, which is, you know... | ||
| What's that, a 40%? | ||
| Yeah, it's a 40% death rate, which for Ebola, isn't Ebola's like super... | ||
| I don't know. | ||
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I don't know anything about that. | |
| It depends on the strain, and it depends on where the outbreak happens, but it does... | ||
| Yeah, of course. | ||
| There are times, there have been outbreaks in history where it's like north of 90% fatality. | ||
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Oh, absolutely. | |
| But in this case, I don't remember. | ||
| I was looking at the statistics in terms of like a country-by-country breakdown of this 2014. | ||
| In some countries, there was a 0% fatality rate. | ||
| America is 25%. | ||
| One guy died out of four that ended up getting it. | ||
| That's not even really a percentage. | ||
| It is, though. | ||
| It matters. | ||
| But as far as, like... | ||
| It's statistically irrelevant in that 28,000 circle. | ||
| Exactly. | ||
| Yeah, that's what I mean. | ||
| But I don't think the numbers were even super... | ||
| Yeah, I mean, 40 is around the total, so you could assume that... | ||
| Just extrapolate from there. | ||
| Sure. | ||
| It is lower than some outbreaks in the past. | ||
| For sure. | ||
| That being said, you know, I don't know the point we were trying to make, but yeah, it could have been way worse. | ||
| The point I was trying to make is, that's amazing, and anybody like Alex bitching about it and saying that, oh, this is the worst thing that could ever happen, should also at the end of 2016 say, Gotta give it up to him. | ||
| That's fucking amazing. | ||
| That's great work. | ||
| Good job. | ||
| I agree with that, but we also can't expect Alex in 2014 to know what the end result will be in 2016. | ||
| But him saying that there are hundreds of thousands of people who have Ebola in 2014, when at the end of it, it's just north of a quarter of 100,000 total people who ended up catching it at the end of it, means that he's just... | ||
| Blowing this way out of proportion. | ||
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Absolutely. | |
| And so one of the things is he thinks that the United States in particular, and some other countries, but he doesn't really name any other countries other than the United States, aren't doing what they need to do to make sure that this doesn't become a problem. | ||
| The Arab countries, the African countries, the UK, France, all in the last month and a half... | ||
| Banned flights out of Sierra Leone, Liberia, and other areas that have epidemic levels. | ||
| Hundreds of thousands of Ebola spreading. | ||
| UN models are 1.4 to 5 million people getting it. | ||
| Millions dying by the end of the year. | ||
| I don't know if that's accurate. | ||
| That's what they're saying. | ||
| That's not what they're saying. | ||
| There were, like, all these sites that were giving these terrible worst-case scenario ideas, and I think Alex is pulling it from there. | ||
| So he's saying that all of these other countries have instituted these travel bans on people from these affected countries, and the United States won't do that, and that's fucked up. | ||
| In the aftermath of an outbreak, it makes total sense to think that the solution is closing down borders and restricting travel to countries where that particular medical issue exists. | ||
| But when you take a closer look at history... | ||
| All you see is evidence that these travel bans don't work, make things worse, and are a stupid misallocation of resources. | ||
| That doesn't sound right. | ||
| Travel bans always work. | ||
| For instance, in 1987, Ronald Reagan put in place a ban on people with HIV or AIDS coming to America. | ||
| This did nothing to restrict the spread of the disease. | ||
| The condition, excuse me. | ||
| And in 1989, they did a review of the ban and found it to be, quote, ineffective, impractical, costly, harmful, and maybe discriminatory. | ||
| The study found that travelers played little to no role in the spread, but efforts toward prevention made an actual difference. | ||
| Beyond that, they found that screening travelers for HIV and AIDS was all good and well, but the process was intrinsically flawed and would inevitably lead to negative folks being labeled as positive and vice versa. | ||
| And this ineffective ban was in place until Obama got in office. | ||
| I'm really glad that we learned our lesson, realized that travel bans were ineffective, and never again tried to institute them. | ||
| No, no, certainly not. | ||
| I'm glad we learned our lesson. | ||
| Isn't it crazy that in 87 Reagan put that into place and we don't even really even remember that it stayed in place because no one was paying attention or whatever until... | ||
| After 2008. | ||
| Yeah, no. | ||
| It's crazy because it's stayed in place so long. | ||
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It checks out. | |
| Absolutely not crazy. | ||
| It checks out. | ||
| It's crazy from our perspective, but from America as a whole, we're like, yeah, no, that sounds right. | ||
| It checks out in terms of what you'd expect, kind of, but it also is like, wow. | ||
| I didn't think we were that dumb. | ||
| It wasn't until Obama's administration that anybody was like, Oh, we should care about humans. | ||
| I don't know. | ||
| Maybe not. | ||
| Who cares? | ||
| Maybe the government. | ||
| Specifically, like, HIV positive. | ||
| Even all the way through, like, with Clinton's comments about HIV positive people. | ||
| And you don't expect W to do anything positive ever. | ||
| No. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| Social evolution and then also those years when there was some good progress being made being under W. Yeah. | ||
| Like the good social progress and stuff. | ||
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Yeah, yeah, yeah. | |
| You're never going to see that mirrored up top. | ||
| Nope. | ||
| So, yeah, I guess it does kind of make sense. | ||
| Anyway, it's a bummer. | ||
| Also... | ||
| Super bummer. | ||
| After there were some cases of H1N1 in Mexico in 2009, many countries cut off flights to and from the country. | ||
| There's a 40% decrease in Mexican travel volume. | ||
| A study after the fact found that, quote, that only led to an average delay in arrival of the infection in other countries, i.e. | ||
| the first imported case, of less than three days. | ||
| And they found, quote, no containment was achieved by such restrictions. | ||
| So there's a consistent pattern that shows that all you're doing is putting things off by a couple days in service of what? | ||
| Now, I think... | ||
| And I'm sure that this did not affect tourist income or the lives of other people. | ||
| We're going to get to that a little bit. | ||
| It's almost like it didn't do any of the positive things that you hoped it would, and it only made destitute so many places that relied on that income. | ||
| We're going to get to some of those issues that I actually think are kind of minimal in terms of, like when you're talking about people dying of a hemorrhagic fever, I don't particularly care too much about talking about finances and stuff like that. | ||
| I mean, I get it. | ||
| It is a variable. | ||
| I get it. | ||
| Belongs in the calculus, but it seems crass to think it matters more than people's lives. | ||
| I'm not saying that you're... | ||
| No, no, no. | ||
| I totally get you. | ||
| I totally get you, and I agree with you, and I shouldn't be defensive about it, and you're absolutely right. | ||
| So in October 2014's study of the actual travel bans put in place in response to the outbreak of Ebola found that, quote, the travel bans are only delaying the further international spread of the Ebola outbreak in West Africa for a limited time. | ||
| At the risk of compromising connectivity to the region, So all you do is end up sacrificing the idea of people being mobile to some extent for the sake of some imaginary lockdown that you want to do. | ||
| So you wind up spending a shit ton of money for a lockdown that doesn't make any sense while... | ||
| Not allocating any resources to the prevention and the treatment that would help a lot of people. | ||
| That's a big part of it. | ||
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There you go. | |
| Shutting down travel to and from affected regions feels like the right thing to do, but it's not. | ||
| Not only does it not work historically, but it actually hurts things for two important interconnected reasons. | ||
| The first is that it's not a reality that you're ever going to be able to shut down all travel across borders. | ||
| Borders are huge, and people who really want to badly enough, they want to leave, they'll find a patch. | ||
| It's going to happen. | ||
| You're never going to be able to completely insulate something. | ||
| This leads to the second problem. | ||
| If you shut down travel for people from an affected region, you create an incentive for these people to lie about where they're traveling from, which in essence turns them from a variable you could monitor into one that's now completely unaccounted for. | ||
| Studies have been done that show that this is the case, and for Alex to not know this means that he's not operating from a position of wanting what's best for the world. | ||
| He's just looking for any excuse he can find to let Africa burn. | ||
| The idea is, when you do these sorts of things, like I said there, you incentivize lying. | ||
| If someone is from, let's say, Guinea, and they make it across a couple borders, or whatever... | ||
| Trying to escape a cola. | ||
| Yeah, sure, certainly. | ||
| Their intentions may be good, but they may also have it. | ||
| And, yeah, they might be a carrier, and they don't know it. | ||
| They're not exhibiting symptoms at the time. | ||
| They could slip into another country, lie about where they're from, be able to travel because that country where they are coming from isn't included in this ban. | ||
| And what you do then is you're not able to... | ||
| I know it sounds ugly in terms of flag them, but when you have an outbreak going on, it is in everyone's best interest to be like, if you are traveling from that country, we need to know. | ||
| We don't want to hurt you, but we need to be able to keep an eye just in case. | ||
| Maybe we want to test you for Ebola. | ||
| Right. | ||
| Which is not a terrible thing. | ||
| We're not trying to kill you. | ||
| We're not trying to destroy you or quarantine you. | ||
| We just want to know. | ||
| Which you can do if you allow the travel, but if you shut everything down, close all borders, what you do is incentivize breaking of the quarantine. | ||
| It's almost like prohibition doesn't work. | ||
| Yeah, and quarantines on a large level don't work also. | ||
| Historically, it's been shown over and over and over again. | ||
| If you want to quarantine something very small, like a person in a hospital or something like that, it does work very effectively. | ||
| It also relies heavily on sanitation. | ||
| That is an incredibly important piece of a quarantine. | ||
| And vigilance. | ||
| And how willing are you to kill someone who's going to leave? | ||
| Like, do you want to turn this into a fascist quarantine or whatever? | ||
| Like, that is the other piece of it. | ||
| Like, if you do want to do that, then, like, okay, your conception is X area is shut down because there's Ebola in there. | ||
| If someone tries to leave, do you murder them? | ||
| Do you kill them because if they get out, someone else might get Ebola? | ||
| Is that the kind of world, or is that the situation you want? | ||
| If it is, we have a different conversation to have. | ||
| Right. | ||
| But my big point is that Alex doesn't understand that travel bans don't really work. | ||
| And the best example of this is the UK shut down travel to these countries and they still had a case of Ebola in the UK. | ||
| Of course. | ||
| Spain had, you know, there's a bunch of countries that ended up having people. | ||
| It's not effective. | ||
| And it's Alex's only point. | ||
| It's all he's got. | ||
| But he also has a point about something else that's completely unrelated that I find very weird. | ||
| If you came here 100 years ago to Ellis Island, you got screened for TB. | ||
| About two-thirds of the people got turned back at Ellis Island. | ||
| Is that true? | ||
| Now, it's just, come on. | ||
| Come on, come on, come on. | ||
| We're back to Ted Nugent. | ||
| Get on in here. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| You had just the right response to that. | ||
| Is that true? | ||
| Alex has brass balls talking positively about Ellis Island with his firmly anti-immigration positions that he espouses all the time. | ||
| We all know the reason why he speaks about Ellis Island as a positive thing. | ||
| It's because the immigrants coming in are the ones he thinks are good ones. | ||
| Two-thirds of the immigrants were not turned away at Ellis Island. | ||
| This is a profoundly stupid, ahistorical thing for Alex to claim. | ||
| Think about it. | ||
| These people came over here on ocean liners and arrived at Ellis Island in the tens of thousands. | ||
| Thousands a day was not an uncommon thing during that time period. | ||
| If two-thirds of them were turned away... | ||
| Where would they fucking go? | ||
| Are you going to incarcerate all those people? | ||
| How much do you think that would cost? | ||
| Are you going to pay for ships to take them back to wherever they came from? | ||
| How much do you think that would cost? | ||
| And how much time would you waste crossing the sea? | ||
| I'll tell you what, you should shut down the government to make sure that it doesn't happen. | ||
| In reality, only about 10% of the people who arrived at Ellis Island were subjected to heightened health screenings. | ||
| And 90% of those people were passed through with no problems. | ||
| According to Barry Monero, Ellis Island historian and librarian at the Ellis Island Museum, the people in charge were largely just concerned with rooting out communists, anarchists, and possible labor agitators. | ||
| That was a very high priority in their screening interviews. | ||
| Barry missed his real... | ||
| Because if his name is Barry Monero, he should have been the greatest jazz artist of his age. | ||
| A lounge act. | ||
| Come on. | ||
| Doing some good banter. | ||
| Hell yeah, he should play the saxophone and be incredibly sexy. | ||
| Ladies, I'm Barry Monero. | ||
| Oh yeah. | ||
| So most immigrants who came through Ellis Island had no documentation, no visas, no passports, nothing. | ||
| And they were processed and through. | ||
| They got through Ellis Island generally, not all the time, but generally within three to five hours. | ||
| Some were detained while they were being processed if something came up in their history or if there had been somebody who snitched on them before they came and there had to be something sorted out or if the authorities knew who they were because they were a criminal or something like that. | ||
| Then the three to five hour window, that's out the window. | ||
| But if people got detained there while they were being processed, they got a dormitory and they were provided food. | ||
| God damn it. | ||
| Why were we doing so good back then about that? | ||
| Obviously it wasn't perfect. | ||
| No, of course. | ||
| Everyone wasn't treated all that well. | ||
| Of course. | ||
| If you look back on it, it's like... | ||
| Certainly better than what's going on now. | ||
| I know. | ||
| And with all the atrocities they were committing at the same time, somehow they were like, hey, you know what? | ||
| This is actually a good idea. | ||
| Let's do good here. | ||
| Bananas. | ||
| You know how many immigrants were turned away and rejected at Ellis Island? | ||
| I know that Alex says that it's 66%. | ||
| How much do you think it is? | ||
| I'm going to go with 23,000. | ||
| The actual number is 2%. | ||
| To quote Vincent Canato, associate professor of history at the University of Massachusetts, Boston, and author of American Passage, The History of Ellis Island, quote, The greatest contradiction or irony here is that you have a massive inspection process, and you have this restrictionist sentiment, and all these people you want to keep out of the country, at the end of the day, less than 2% are rejected. | ||
| There's a very small number of people who got rejected, even with medical issues being considered. | ||
| One of the things is there were, you know, like this one year, there's like a thousand people who got rejected. | ||
| And generally, it wasn't for hepatitis or whatever Alex is saying. | ||
| There was this eye condition that was very close to chlamydia. | ||
| It was very contagious. | ||
| And that was one of the easiest detectable things that a lot of people got taken out for that. | ||
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Hey! | |
| Hey! | ||
| Your eye's fucked up! | ||
| Get out of here! | ||
| I probably wouldn't have made it. | ||
| I got a cross-eyed. | ||
| You got a bad look about you. | ||
| So you got 1,100 people being rejected in one year for that. | ||
| But because of the mass... | ||
| In one year. | ||
| But that means that there were like 300,000 people that came through that year. | ||
| There were over a million. | ||
| At least one or two of the years that I was looking at the statistics for. | ||
| It's nuts. | ||
| Obviously, Ellis Island isn't a... | ||
| Perfect story of great success. | ||
| But Alex, the story that he's trying to perpetuate, this idea of like, they threw away everybody because they only accepted the best. | ||
| He's hearkening back to a past that doesn't exist. | ||
| The statistics are way off. | ||
| And he's only doing it in service of trying to... | ||
| I think what it is, if I had to guess... | ||
| I think he doesn't know anything, number one. | ||
| Yes. | ||
| But then the impetus behind it, the emotional reason for it, is justifying why those white immigrants that came in are good, not based on their skin. | ||
| That's bananas. | ||
| I think some of that does come down to the logistics, though. | ||
| You can't incarcerate those people. | ||
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Right. | |
| That would cost so much, and it would be pointless. | ||
| Because even if you incarcerate them, eventually, what, do you have to send them back? | ||
| So what, do you send them back immediately? | ||
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What are you going to do? | |
| It's an easy trip! | ||
| Get Italy to pay for it? | ||
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Yeah! | |
| I don't know. | ||
| Mexico's going to build the wall. | ||
| There's no easy answer to it, and I think that the people in charge recognized that and erred on the side of being like, all right, let's make sure there's no, like, legit dangers. | ||
| Right. | ||
| That'll probably only take us a couple hours per person. | ||
| You know, like, we have the ability to do this. | ||
| All right, so this guy has a lot of nails coming out of him, and we have not made Hellraiser yet, so I can't process a xenobite. | ||
| I'm going to go iffy on this one. | ||
| We're going to give him 10 hours. | ||
| Let's just hold him for a bit. | ||
| I found that to be really fascinating. | ||
| I didn't know that the rejection rate was that low. | ||
| I really find that fascinating, too. | ||
| Thank you for telling me. | ||
| Yeah, me scoffing at Alex's bullshit actually led to me learning something, and I always enjoy that. | ||
| That's cool as fuck. | ||
| Thanks, George Soros Jr. | ||
| Help me learn a little. | ||
| We get back to the show here, Alex's show, and Alex has some other... | ||
| He has some ideas of how this case was handled. | ||
| The case of the gentleman who came to Dallas. | ||
| That was my favorite Hardy Boys book. | ||
| The case of how the gentleman came to Dallas? | ||
| Yeah, yeah, yeah. | ||
| I also could have gone with Encyclopedia Brown, but I went with Hardy. | ||
| Or Hercule Poirot. | ||
| Oh, no, sir! | ||
| Miss Marple. | ||
| Listen. | ||
| We could name detectives all day. | ||
| We really could. | ||
| We actually probably could. | ||
| I got a few... | ||
| I got a Derringer in my boot of a detective. | ||
| So, look. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| This guy came to Dallas. | ||
| He was looking for a soul of steel. | ||
| No! | ||
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Shit! | |
| No! | ||
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Shit! | |
| No! | ||
| You blame me for riffing and now you're going to pull this shit out of here? | ||
| No! | ||
| Yeah, that's on me. | ||
| So, look. | ||
| My friend comes to... | ||
| I don't know how to start this sentence. | ||
| I'm going to let this go. | ||
| I want to see how this goes. | ||
| All right. | ||
| So Alex has some ideas about the handling of the circumstances of the Ebola case in Dallas. | ||
| And I'll say that if you believe him, this sounds suspicious as fuck. | ||
| He's also wrong about everything. | ||
| Our hospitals are so screwed up that when he went in a week before vomiting and sick... | ||
| They gave him antibiotics and said he had a virus. | ||
| Antibiotics don't affect viruses. | ||
| They didn't even clean for a week the ambulance. | ||
| For five days, the ambulance he'd been in. | ||
| That doesn't sound right. | ||
| They're not cleaning his apartment. | ||
| They're not doing anything, folks. | ||
| They're not quarantining his family or people that were around him and knew him because they obviously wanted to spread. | ||
| First thing that pops out to me, I think actually was the first thing that you responded to. | ||
| The idea they didn't clean the ambulance. | ||
| Because they would clean any ambulance. | ||
| Yeah, any ambulance. | ||
| It seems like an end-of-day routine for EMT. | ||
| Shift change. | ||
| Clean the fucking ambulance. | ||
| I clean my workstation and that's... | ||
| So that was the first place that I went to when I was looking into this. | ||
| When I heard that, I'm like... | ||
| I can't imagine that's true. | ||
| Absolutely not. | ||
| So I looked into it. | ||
| Alex is trying as hard as he can to create the image of the powers that be are actively trying to precipitate an outbreak of Ebola here in the United States. | ||
| And it seems like a huge part of his argument is the ambulance hasn't been cleaned a week later. | ||
| Alex is reporting this on October 5th, when this episode we're listening to comes from, because he was on vacation when the news broke about the Dallas case on September 30th, the night of September 30th. | ||
| I will now read to you from an article in CBS Dallas-Fort Worth from September 30th. | ||
| When we found out the ambulance in question had Ebola in it, we actually lit it on fire and then threw the ashes into a frozen lake in order to... | ||
| And that's why we haven't cleaned it, because it is a burning rubble that is underneath a lake. | ||
| Well, it's taken us a week, because we had to create a perpetually frozen and burning lake. | ||
| And that took some advances in technology. | ||
| We didn't even know tires could do that. | ||
| Quote, Dallas Mayor Mike Rawlings confirmed that an EMS crew and ambulance that transported a patient now confirmed to have the Ebola virus in Dallas has been isolated. | ||
| Quote, we have quarantined both them and the unit itself to make sure that nothing was there that can spread, and we're going about our protocol about how to do that, says the mayor. | ||
| So it's literally not far off from what we just said. | ||
| It's not far off from exactly what you would expect people to do. | ||
| So immediately, the people involved in the ambulance were quarantined. | ||
| But Alex might be right on a technicality. | ||
| What if they quarantined it, but they didn't clean it? | ||
| Unfortunately, later in the article, quote, Dallas Fire and Rescue officials said the ambulance has been decontaminated. | ||
| Alex is just making shit up to make it look like the people running point on this weren't doing their jobs. | ||
| There are plenty of other valid criticisms to make about how the whole thing was handled, and we'll get into some of them. | ||
| That this isn't one of them. | ||
| This is complete nonsense. | ||
| Alex is probably reading this on some dumb blog or something like that. | ||
| It's absolutely not true. | ||
| That article, there's more than just that article, but that's just local Dallas reporting from the mayor reporting. | ||
| Yep, we did do that. | ||
| We took care of that. | ||
| That is from the 30th. | ||
| He's on air on October 5th saying they never did it. | ||
| They didn't do it. | ||
| Man, even if they didn't know that the guy had Ebola, they still would have cleaned the fucking... | ||
| Or at least disinfected. | ||
| They would have sprayed something in there. | ||
| Oh, absolutely. | ||
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Yeah. | |
| Unless they're trying to get it spread. | ||
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Ooh! | |
| But also, not that I am taking the mayor at his word in Dallas. | ||
| Can't trust the mayor of Dallas. | ||
| The article in question... | ||
| I think it's Jerry Jones? | ||
| No. | ||
| That's the Cowboys coach. | ||
| He's the owner. | ||
| Oh, excuse me. | ||
| Listen. | ||
| The article in question also had a picture of the ambulance in quarantine. | ||
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I did also see it in the article. | |
| It was just underneath a mosquito net. | ||
| It's not that I'm just trusting blindly the mayor of Dallas over Alex Jones. | ||
| Hey, you can put police tape around any old ambulance and call it the real one. | ||
| Sure. | ||
| So anyway, that's a lot of nonsense. | ||
| But also in that article, it is important, or I'm sorry, not in that article, in that clip that Alex was just talking, he said that they gave him antibiotics when he came in to cure a virus. | ||
| And that's interesting. | ||
| How, what does, so when they say biotics, would you say they are talking more about bacteria? | ||
| Yes. | ||
| Now, I don't know anything about viruses. | ||
| He's correct. | ||
| Viruses are not affected by antibiotics. | ||
| But I'm going to go with... | ||
| If I remember biology correctly, viruses cannot be killed by antibiotics. | ||
| No. | ||
| No, no, no. | ||
| Obviously. | ||
| But Alex is misreporting this, too. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| So, on September 25th, Thomas Duncan arrived at the Texas Health Presbyterian Hospital complaining of a fever, abdominal pain, dizziness, and nausea. | ||
| He was spiking a fever at its highest at times of 103 degrees. | ||
| Ooh, that's fucked up. | ||
| The staff ran a number of tests on him and couldn't figure out what was wrong. | ||
| They kept him overnight, but they didn't diagnose him with a virus at all. | ||
| But they did give him broad-spectrum antibiotics. | ||
| Then it could be some kind of an infection. | ||
| The initial symptoms of Ebola are super common, like 90%. | ||
| Right, right, right. | ||
| If you're doing a differential diagnosis, that goes into so many different possible actual underlying conditions. | ||
| It's not like the first symptom of Ebola is your left hand turns in the exact opposite direction all the time, so you're like, oh, that's Ebola. | ||
| It's not like Ebola is on your forehead or something. | ||
| Especially with the initial presentation of it, which is one of the reasons why it's so dangerous, is that the initial presentation is so similar to benign conditions. | ||
| You've got the flu. | ||
| Right. | ||
| Yeah, yeah, yeah. | ||
| So it's not crazy to think that they wouldn't immediately jump in their brains to the suspicion that he has Ebola. | ||
| That was on September 25th. | ||
| It wasn't an episode of House. | ||
| Love House. | ||
| I know you do. | ||
| On September 28th, he returned to the ER, this time via ambulance, which opened up in quarantine. | ||
| At which point, they put the pieces together and deemed him an Ebola risk and contacted the CDC. | ||
| One of the important things to remember is the timeline of events. | ||
| The outbreak in Guinea happened in early 2014, first being declared on March 23rd, with the condition spreading to Liberia and Sierra Leone shortly after. | ||
| Liberia would go on to be the hottest zone of events, and initially the country was declared Ebola-free by May. | ||
| Now, it would reappear, and it wasn't fully taken care of, again, like I said, until January 2016. | ||
| But the fact that in May they declared Liberia Ebola-free – Kind of made the crisis seem less pressing. | ||
| So in September, these nurses probably didn't have Ebola first and foremost on their minds. | ||
| You wish they would have, but it also makes some sense why it would have slipped through the cracks the first time he shows up at the hospital. | ||
| Of course not. | ||
| However, what happens after that is definitely deserving of some criticism. | ||
| I mentioned there's some criticism, and here's some of it. | ||
| The nurses' union has come out and levied some complaints that protocol wasn't handled as well as it could have been, ranging from not immediately isolating Duncan as soon as he was suspected of having Ebola, between the time of the test confirmation and the suspicion, to not requiring staff to treat him in hazmat suits, but instead just gloves, masks, and eye protection. | ||
| Duncan's test for Ebola comes back positive on September 30th, and the day before, a nurse named Nina Pham treated him without any protective gear. | ||
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Oh, no! | |
| She and Amber Joy Vinson, another nurse who treated Duncan, would end up testing positive for Ebola. | ||
| Of course. | ||
| Thankfully, they survived and did not end up spreading it to anybody else. | ||
| Good for them. | ||
| That right there is a really great place to start your criticisms of... | ||
| This situation. | ||
| Because there are very valid criticisms about the way that this hospital handled everything. | ||
| But the ones that Alex chooses to make are not true. | ||
| Right. | ||
| And also paint the picture that he wants it to be. | ||
| If you suspect somebody of having Ebola, you don't let a nurse go in with no protection at all. | ||
| Yeah, that's a terrible idea. | ||
| At the very least, at the very least, I can't imagine anybody directed... | ||
| Nina Pham to go in there without any protection. | ||
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Totally. | |
| It wasn't like the attending physician was like, hey, get in there without any protection and we'll let you have a good old day. | ||
| Totally, because even if she, and she did, but even if she survives, that's a lawsuit. | ||
| For sure. | ||
| Especially since the nurses have a pretty good union. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| That would absolutely be a lawsuit. | ||
| It seems like... | ||
| It seems like some failures institutionally in this particular hospital definitely happened. | ||
| And just failures of oversight and that kind of thing. | ||
| Not any kind of malicious intent. | ||
| Absolutely. | ||
| And a lot of it probably could be easily traced back to the idea that most of these people involved probably never imagined a scenario where Ebola was in the United States. | ||
| Who would have Ebola? | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| Yeah, yeah, yeah. | ||
| Yeah, it's pretty crazy. | ||
| So I want to say one thing also here that is just to be... | ||
| Perfectly fair to Alex. | ||
| Some of this information that I'm talking about does happen after this episode. | ||
| So, this is on October 5th, and FAM doesn't end up testing positive for Ebola until, what is it, October 12th. | ||
| That's when she tests positive. | ||
| And then the third, Miss Vinson, isn't until October 15th. | ||
| So he doesn't know any of these things, which are the actual decent criticisms of the hospital system and stuff like that. | ||
| But I also stand behind the idea that it would only make his rhetoric worse if he did know them. | ||
| And it's safe to assume... | ||
| He wouldn't give a fuck, and it wouldn't change his narrative at all. | ||
| He wouldn't deal with it in any more realistic way. | ||
| Exactly. | ||
| But I just want to give that caveat that he has no reason to know all that stuff as it's in the future, although he does say he's a psychic. | ||
| Once again, inexplicably, we are as fair as humanly possible to this fucking idiot. | ||
| But I want them to understand the timeline of stuff, and I don't want to put unnecessary shit in anyone's mind. | ||
| Totally get it. | ||
| So all this is to say that, like, The ambulance was quarantined. | ||
| The people who dealt with him were quarantined and checked and kept track of. | ||
| He wasn't... | ||
| They didn't say he had a virus, but he was given broad-spectrum antibiotics because they couldn't figure out what he had, and that is kind of a catch-all, which is an unfortunate part of our medical system. | ||
| That's how antibiotic-resistant things pop up. | ||
| We'll deal with that another day. | ||
| If 90% of cases are solved, or at least treatable by doing this, your first instinct is going to be, let's do the thing that helps 9 out of 10 people. | ||
| On the off chance it might be Ebola, we're going to do this. | ||
| And it almost never hurts people. | ||
| Yeah, exactly. | ||
| Except for in the long run when the resistance strains pop up. | ||
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Right, right, right. | |
| Yeah, yeah, yeah. | ||
| So all this is a bunch of bullshit, by and large. | ||
| And so here's Alex's take on the bigger picture. | ||
| I want to make this statement very, very clear. | ||
| They either souped up this Ebola and weaponized it, which we know has been done before. | ||
| That sounds great. | ||
| It's been on NOVA, on PBS. | ||
| And allow it to be released? | ||
| Or it's naturally mutated to incubate longer and to be more powerful, and they're openly opening the door to let it happen. | ||
| Either way, the people running our federal government are complicit in what's already happened and what is unfortunately going to unfold now. | ||
| How does MSNBC respond? | ||
| How the NRA is making the Ebola crisis worse. | ||
| They're actually blaming gun owners. | ||
| That's like blaming the moon made of cheese. | ||
| I don't understand what that means. | ||
| What would you blame the moon made of cheese? | ||
| I would like to ignore everything else you said, because it's just, it's Obama's fault, which you predicted at the top of the episode. | ||
| So, the NRA... | ||
| Is making the Ebola crisis worse is the headline. | ||
| So Alex says that what that means is they're blaming gun owners. | ||
| Yes. | ||
| And that... | ||
| Not specifically the NRA. | ||
| They're blaming all gun owners. | ||
| Right. | ||
| That's the way he's presenting it. | ||
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Yes. | |
| We'll get to the truth eventually. | ||
| But the way he's presenting it is they're blaming gun owners for making the Ebola crisis worse, which is similar to blaming the moon made of cheese. | ||
| I don't... | ||
| I think he had more to say, but he got cut off by a hard break. | ||
| So... | ||
| Or he just... | ||
| That's him stepping on a rake, man! | ||
| Is that... | ||
| That's him starting a sentence like, fuck, I got nowhere to go with this. | ||
| I said the moon and cheese. | ||
| I don't fucking know. | ||
| So does he mean that it's similar... | ||
| So blaming the NRA is similar to blaming the moon made of cheese as opposed to blaming just the moon for Ebola. | ||
| You're blaming the moon made of cheese for Ebola. | ||
| No, that's interesting. | ||
| Which is a second level of ridiculousness. | ||
| I would say that it's equally ridiculous to blame the moon or the moon that is made out of cheese for Ebola. | ||
| That, I don't think that's what he was saying. | ||
| I think he was trying to make some simile about... | ||
| I don't fucking know. | ||
| I don't know. | ||
| I don't know. | ||
| I don't understand. | ||
| This is one of these trademark moments of Alex Jones where it's like, I wish I could have talked to him during the break. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| What were you trying to say there? | ||
| Because if I ask him now, there's no way he remembers what he intended to say. | ||
| Absolutely not. | ||
| But I want to know. | ||
| I don't know if he would remember what he intended to say immediately following the show. | ||
| Probably not. | ||
| Probably not. | ||
| He's got to tell his kids he can't go fishing again. | ||
| But he's blaming the moon made of cheese for it! | ||
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Listen, kids, I know you want to catch some trout, but it's like the moon made of cheese. | |
| The moon made of cheese kept me away! | ||
| Do you think when he's talking to his kids on the phone he has hard breaks that he has to get to? | ||
| I definitely think that he plays the highwayman. | ||
| No, that's coming in when he calls them. | ||
| That's the ringback tone. | ||
| The ringback tone? | ||
| Yeah, whenever it's time to get off the phone. | ||
| Whenever it's time to get off the phone with those kids, it's that block rock and beats. | ||
| It's block rock and beats, of course. | ||
| Or that bow, bow. | ||
| It's that. | ||
| Sorry kids, gotta go. | ||
| Bow, bow. | ||
| So... | ||
| There's a guy, Thomas Frieden, who's the head of the CDC at this point. | ||
| And he came out and made some comments about how... | ||
| We talked about this already a little bit. | ||
| The idea that these bans don't work. | ||
| That sort of thing. | ||
| So he explains that closing borders isn't really a viable option. | ||
| Alex plays the clip of him saying that. | ||
| And then I would just describe Alex's response as like, this guy's an asshole. | ||
| Let's go to the CDC director saying we can't control the border. | ||
| Yeah, because there is no border. | ||
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We know that as long as the outbreak smolders in Africa, as long as it's in Africa, we're potentially at risk. | |
| Because even if we tried to close the border, it wouldn't work. | ||
| People have a right to return. | ||
| People transiting through could come in. | ||
| And it would backfire. | ||
| Because by isolating these countries, it'll make it harder to help them. | ||
| It'll spread more there. | ||
| And we'd be more likely to be exposed here. | ||
| But he had a nice, calm NPR voice. | ||
| Very convincing, loving little eyes with his hair all combed. | ||
| Kids, by the way, take your shots. | ||
| We hear it, the New World Order. | ||
| Love you. | ||
| And all we want is for you to get healthy. | ||
| That's why the cancer rates and everything else are off the charts. | ||
| So just take your shots. | ||
| Get rid of those brain cells. | ||
| Mercury's good for you. | ||
| The CDC said so, remember? | ||
| They said Mercury's good. | ||
| It's all true. | ||
| They love you. | ||
| I love it. | ||
| I'm sure Moby is thrilled that his music is playing over that message. | ||
| I bet he loves it. | ||
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Yeah, yeah, yeah. | |
| So, what he's talking about there at the end, I'm sorry, you had a thought. | ||
| I'm just, like, I know we've been doing this for so long, but can he even imagine people at the CDC actually being like, we want your kids to be healthy? | ||
| Like, with no caveats, with no, like, it's literally the job of the CDC to want your kids to be healthy. | ||
| And he can't for a second imagine that that is real? | ||
| Like, not even for one moment. | ||
| These people work at a center. | ||
| It's all about controlling diseases. | ||
| The Center for Disease Freedom, I believe. | ||
| Well, sovereign diseases deserve to be free. | ||
| Well, of course. | ||
| I don't know. | ||
| Yeah, no, of course not. | ||
| He thinks it's all super evil. | ||
| And what he's talking about there at the end there, that idea of, like, they're saying that mercury is good. | ||
| It's the idea... | ||
| There was a mercury-based preservative called Tamarisol that was in vaccines. | ||
| And that was one of the things that was targeted specifically about the idea that it caused people to be on the autism spectrum. | ||
| Right, right, right. | ||
| And it's all ascientific. | ||
| It's all completely refuted by studies. | ||
| But that's what he's talking about there. | ||
| That idea of like, oh, these people love you so much. | ||
| Get rid of those brain cells with this mercury. | ||
| They love giving you mercury. | ||
| It's not even really the same thing as actual mercury. | ||
| Right, right, right. | ||
| But be there as it may. | ||
| Like, what does he want? | ||
| So, okay, so his criticism is we have an NPR voice on there, which I would like it if my CDC head didn't come out and say, ZOB! | ||
| That would not inspire confidence. | ||
| No, no, no, no. | ||
| So is that what he wants? | ||
| I guess so, yeah. | ||
| I guess he wants people who have a little bit of a country twang to them or something like that. | ||
| Well, now you know these people from these other countries. | ||
| They're going to come in here. | ||
| They're going to give us all this kind of Ebola. | ||
| We've got to close the borders for these zombies! | ||
| Whatever doesn't sound like snobby liberals or whatever, that's what he's responding to. | ||
| Measured and reasoned? | ||
| Yeah, what radio liberals like to listen to, I fucking hate that sound. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| That speech pattern or whatever. | ||
| Maybe he just hates vocal fry, Dan. | ||
| Could be. | ||
| Anyway, in this next clip we just see, like I already told you, 28,600 total cases over the entire two-year span of this outbreak. | ||
| Again, amazing. | ||
| It did not get outside of Dallas, at least this instance of it. | ||
| This is just Alex sensationalizing and being incredibly irresponsible to try and create the picture that things are way worse than they are. | ||
| Well, if you're in Dallas, Texas, we'd really love to talk to you. | ||
| But if it's spreading, you know it's already gotten outside Dallas. | ||
| This guy flew back from Liberia on board an aircraft full of hundreds of people. | ||
| And there are folks with Ebola by the... | ||
| Hundreds of thousands in Africa now, jumping on aircraft as well. | ||
| But they can't go to France. | ||
| They can't go to Germany. | ||
| They can't go to England. | ||
| They can't go to the United Arab Emirates. | ||
| They can't go a whole bunch of places. | ||
| But you know where they can come? | ||
| They can come right here to America. | ||
| Because, well, up is down and down is up. | ||
| That's irresponsible. | ||
| But I want to talk more about why is he playing legs so loud? | ||
| Like, that seems a little louder than a lot of his regular, like, coming back from break music. | ||
| And it just lingers. | ||
| Look, dude. | ||
| Anytime anybody plays ZZ Top, I got problems. | ||
| I have got problems. | ||
| That is a bad band. | ||
| Because of beard jealousy? | ||
| It's not the beard jealousy so much. | ||
| I don't like the idea of people making beards novelties, certainly. | ||
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I don't like, like, in college... | |
| This is a civil rights issue. | ||
| In college, I would always get, like, people would... | ||
| Every goddamn year, people would send me these updates about the beard and mustache championships. | ||
| I'm like, get the fuck out of here. | ||
| Oh, to you specifically, because they're like, this would interest you, of course, you bearded man. | ||
| Right, and so I don't like that. | ||
| I certainly don't like the beards that I'm seeing in ZZ Top, but that's not my primary problem. | ||
| My primary problem is their songs are fucking terrible. | ||
| I realize that I 100% pulled that clip because I think it's irresponsible sensationalism, but I also pulled that clip. | ||
| To be angry at ZZ Top. | ||
| Yeah, I really hate that. | ||
| Yeah, I know you do. | ||
| I also think he played it too loud. | ||
| It really was like most of his music tapers off as soon as he starts talking. | ||
| That was loud as fuck. | ||
| I am endlessly fascinated by where your boundaries are drawn with music. | ||
| So, Jordan, you know, I think you've got pretty... | ||
| Decent of an idea about what Alex's narrative about this whole thing is. | ||
| Like the idea that the globalists are behind it. | ||
| Obviously, he's blaming Obama and the federal government and stuff. | ||
| Saying it was an intentional blibbity-blue. | ||
| But in this next clip, he sort of makes the finer points of it clear, what he thinks is going on. | ||
| The globalists want to basically use this crisis to bring in a medical tyranny, a forced inoculation program. | ||
| With the Bill and Melinda Gates Foundation, Monsanto created Ebola vaccine. | ||
| They're set to roll out. | ||
| Monsanto created a vaccine? | ||
| I guarantee you. | ||
| That's why, bare minimum, they've turned off the default. | ||
| It's like not closing a hatch on a submarine when you submerge. | ||
| It's a no-brainer. | ||
| We're not pressurizing a jumbo jet. | ||
| He doesn't really make it clear. | ||
| What he's saying there about these, like, not closing the hatch and stuff like that is not shutting down travel from all of these places. | ||
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No, no, no. | |
| I picked that up. | ||
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Yeah, yeah. | |
| The only reason I clarify is not because I didn't think that you or the listeners did. | ||
| It's because when I first listened to it, I felt like he's not being clear at all. | ||
| I gotcha. | ||
| I gotcha. | ||
| A 777 before you take off from Houston International to fly to London, England. | ||
| They're turning off all the defaults because the public... | ||
| 777? | ||
| More like 187? | ||
| I guess they think it's absolutely brain dead. | ||
| I mean, is America done? | ||
| So his take on this whole thing, generally speaking, is the idea that this is a false flag-ish. | ||
| Of course. | ||
| It's a soft launch for the global epidemic. | ||
| It's a false flag-ish. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| Toe dip kind of thing in case... | ||
| It's not. | ||
| Or whatever. | ||
| He can sort of walk it back. | ||
| But the idea is that the globalists are doing this. | ||
| They're either... | ||
| Have created this or are letting this happen in order to get us all mandatory vaccinated in a medical tyranny with this Ebola vaccine that Monsanto and the Bill and Melinda Gates Foundation are working together to enforce upon us. | ||
| I don't want to talk about whether or not Monsanto creates vaccines. | ||
| No, no, no, no. | ||
| I don't even want to talk about that. | ||
| Give me any situation where Monsanto and the Bill and Melinda Gates Foundation teamed up. | ||
| I can't give you one, but I can say that... | ||
| A vaccine for Ebola did not come out of this. | ||
| But in 2016, there have been a couple, as recently as 2016, I'm not sure if there has been progress on this, but a couple of vaccines that had been in Phase 1 and Phase 2 had come through Phase 3 with very promising... | ||
| And finally been approved by the FDA? | ||
| I'm not sure. | ||
| I'm not sure. | ||
| I was trying to look into it, and I can't... | ||
| I don't fully understand. | ||
| I was reading a bunch of documents and I don't fucking understand. | ||
| Right. | ||
| But, after a bunch of testing, there are a couple of vaccines in 2016 that were shown to be pretty effective. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| In the range of 70 to 100% effective at being a vaccine against Ebola. | ||
| Which is a wide range. | ||
| 70 to 100% is a pretty wide range. | ||
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It's better than 40 or 0. That's pretty good. | |
| Yeah. | ||
| From what I could tell, it didn't seem like it was on the market of current day. | ||
| But I don't want to stand behind that in case it is. | ||
| But no matter what the case, whether there is one now that is effective and on the market and approved and all that stuff, it doesn't really matter because this entire segment of our history, this entire outbreak of Ebola in West Africa, didn't end up precipitating that. | ||
| It didn't end up leading to a crisis that required mandatory vaccination for Ebola and forcing through of this vaccine that the globalists are just going to use to kill men, I guess? | ||
| I don't know. | ||
| So this narrative is bumpus bumpus. | ||
| It's nonsense. | ||
| It is bumpus bumpus. | ||
| Thank you. | ||
| I agree. | ||
| So you've probably been sitting there, Jordan. | ||
| You've probably been thinking... | ||
| What have I been thinking, Dan? | ||
| That NRA story. | ||
| Tell me what I've been thinking. | ||
| I wonder what that NRA story was all about. | ||
| I would... | ||
| I'm going to go with... | ||
| Here's my prediction on what the NRA story is about. | ||
| I want to tell you before you make this prediction, I'm excited to hear it, but you're going to be wrong. | ||
| Okay. | ||
| I'm going to give this one a go. | ||
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| So the NRA is making the Ebola crisis work. | ||
| The Ebola crisis worse. | ||
| I'm going to go with rampant anti-vaccination, anti-medicine, anti-all of that stuff, propaganda. | ||
| It's good instincts, but no. | ||
| You're wrong. | ||
| There's no way you could predict what this is going to actually be about. | ||
| They have been shooting down bees. | ||
| And bees protect against Ebola. | ||
| And the NRA has a pro-shoot-down-bees policy. | ||
| You know I hate bees, much like I hate ZZ Top. | ||
| But I wish that was the case. | ||
| We gotta get you a.22. | ||
| You gotta start shooting bees. | ||
| Yeah, get a bump stock and go fucking just take out bees. | ||
| So, Jordan, I would say that you're wrong. | ||
| You have said that so many times. | ||
| You're wrong about this NRA story, but like I said at the beginning, there's no way you could predict this. | ||
| It's a really good point, and Alex has not read this article. | ||
| And this is a psychological tactic called gaslighting, but it's more sophisticated, where they just scramble everything where no one even knows what's going on. | ||
| It's over the top. | ||
| You don't even know what gaslighting is going to be. | ||
| The NRA is making the Ebola crisis worse. | ||
| By Crystal Ball. | ||
| I want to pause there real quick. | ||
| That is her real name. | ||
| One of the authors of this article. | ||
| Oh, it's a name. | ||
| Okay. | ||
| I swear to God. | ||
| It's Crystal with a K. Immediately was like, okay, we're getting into some psychic shit. | ||
| This is going to get wild. | ||
| Nope, that is a real person's name. | ||
| Thank you so much. | ||
| Nope, because it threw me off so hard, too. | ||
| Destroyed me. | ||
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| And Anne Thompson. | ||
| And they go on to say the NRA is the problem that Americans own guns and don't even give a reason. | ||
| It's bizarre. | ||
| They don't even give a reason. | ||
| It's fucking bizarre. | ||
| Does that sound right? | ||
| I'm going to go with two people together authoring a study. | ||
| Crystal Ball. | ||
| And Emma Thompson. | ||
| And Thompson. | ||
| Are not just going to say something and then not give a reason. | ||
| Well, you know, MSNBC, it's just basically like some guy's blog. | ||
| Yeah, yeah, yeah. | ||
| They just say shit. | ||
| It's like 9-11 blogger, which Alex seems to think is... | ||
| 100% a reliable source. | ||
| Foreign news. | ||
| Yeah, yeah, yeah. | ||
| So Alex is peddling this story about how the NRA is making the Ebola crisis worse, but refuses to even talk about what is in the article, preferring instead to just say things like, they don't even make a point. | ||
| It's bizarre. | ||
| That's what he just said. | ||
| They don't even make a point. | ||
| If true, it is bizarre. | ||
| It would be bizarre. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| It would be bizarre. | ||
| This is a clear instance of either willful deceit, because he knows his listeners will hear the headline and think it's some kind of dumb liberal bullshit, or he hasn't read it himself, which I think is probably the case. | ||
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| The reason these writers are suggesting that the NRA is responsible for making the crisis worse goes like this. | ||
| Experts and researchers have examined the U.S. infrastructure and found that there is little to no reason for people to worry about it. | ||
| about a breakout of Ebola happening here. | ||
| Because of containment processes that we have, because of sanitation, because of those sorts of things, it just is unlikely. | ||
| Like, even if... | ||
| People do end up showing up here, which did happen. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| And the proof of the pudding is in the eating. | ||
| It didn't end up becoming a pandemic. | ||
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Right, right. | |
| Because against all odds, we have a solid infrastructure in place in order to combat this before it becomes a widespread. | ||
| Which a lot of countries don't, which is why it becomes such a huge problem there. | ||
| Which is also why isolating those countries is the, yes. | ||
| Bingo bongo. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| So that is what a lot of experts say. | ||
| However, they're having a hard time conveying that message to the public, particularly with the backdrop of a media running around being sensational, trying to make people worried about an outbreak and how it's imminent. | ||
| Historically, the job of conveying important health information like this and reassuring the population that these fears that are being sold on air or unfounded fell to the Surgeon General. | ||
| That is one of the main roles of the position of the Surgeon General. | ||
| However, in 2014, when the Ebola crisis was heating up, we didn't have a Surgeon General and hadn't for about a year. | ||
| In November, Oh, because he was anti-gun! | ||
| Yes, I remember that! | ||
| He believed that guns were a public health crisis, and thus the NRA lobbied strongly against his nomination. | ||
| In a time of public anxiety about a potential outbreak, we didn't have a top doctor in office. | ||
| And literally the only reason is that he believed that guns led to health problems. | ||
| And the NRA found that position unacceptable. | ||
| The NRA didn't bring Ebola in or anything like that. | ||
| But no matter how you slice this, by depriving the country of a Surgeon General because of their lobbying in Congress through the Republican Party, they absolutely made the Ebola crisis worse. | ||
| It led to people being able to spread much more propaganda than they would have otherwise and the article makes perfect sense that makes perfect sense yes i argument that the nra made the ebola crisis worse i'd never thought about that i'd never heard that article before no but alex's attack on it made me read it and i say Oh, good call. | ||
| Good call, Crystal Ball. | ||
| Yep. | ||
| I would never, as you correctly pointed out, I would never have guessed that. | ||
| In retrospect, now that I remember that whole situation, it makes perfect sense. | ||
| Yep. | ||
| Great argument, Crystal Ball and Anne Thompson. | ||
| You guys fucking nailed it. | ||
| It's another instance of corporate money having unintended consequences that are almost universally negative. | ||
| Come on, Citizens United was great. | ||
| So, in this next clip, Alex just talks about how the globalists want this to happen, I guess. | ||
| I don't know. | ||
| This is just him being dumb. | ||
| And it just illustrates they can't and they won't protect you. | ||
| And for some reason... | ||
| They want Ebola to break out in this country. | ||
| And that's why I'm opening the phones up. | ||
| I want to know from you out there, in this segment and right through into the second hour today, why do you think this is happening? | ||
| So that's right. | ||
| He still hasn't opened up the phones. | ||
| It doesn't matter. | ||
| 48 minutes. | ||
| Give or take. | ||
| He doesn't want the audience to actually say anything. | ||
| He wants to give his point and then... | ||
| After he has, he knows the audience will repeat it back to him. | ||
| That's the game. | ||
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Yeah. | |
| So I just want to give you a little bit of fun trivia about the Ebola outbreak in 2014. | ||
| In October 2014, Alex Jones' guest and associate Larry Klayman filed a lawsuit against President Obama over, quote, providing material support and aid to international terrorism and facilitating terrorism. | ||
| Larry believed that Obama intentionally brought Ebola into the country, and his reasoning about this is not good. | ||
| Larry said Obama's reason for bringing Ebola in was that, quote, Obama has favored his African brothers over the rest of us by allowing them free entry into this country and, quote, relegating whites and others who are not black or Muslim to the back of the bus. | ||
| What? | ||
| What? | ||
| Which has become an invidious form of reverse discrimination. | ||
| He also said, quote, as has been true throughout Obama's illegitimate presidency, as all credible evidence suggests he was born in Kenya and is neither a natural-born citizen eligible to president nor has been naturalized as a citizen to even have the right to remain here. | ||
| We see the deportation petition I had recently filed. | ||
| Regrettably, our Muslim commander-in-chief has favored his own creed over the rest of us. | ||
| I know you're responding poorly to that, Jordan, but don't worry. | ||
| Larry isn't crazy. | ||
| He's very restrained. | ||
| No, he's absolutely fucking insane. | ||
| He's very restrained. | ||
| He's a fucking lunatic. | ||
| What? | ||
| He's very restrained, saying, quote, I do not advocate violence, and I want Obama to be taken alive and deported. | ||
| What? | ||
| What? | ||
| Taken alive. | ||
| Taken alive! | ||
| That's his quote. | ||
| Oh, I don't want this guy to be taken alive. | ||
| How about that? | ||
| He wants to be taken alive and pay for his inadequacies under the rule of law. | ||
| So this lawsuit that Larry Clayman put into court... | ||
| It was an embarrassing public spectacle of racism. | ||
| Got thrown out of court. | ||
| And he continued to be a racist embarrassment for years to come as a guest on Alex Jones' show where we found him creating the Dennis Montgomery information with Joe Arpaio and the members of the Cold Case Squad in Maricopa County. | ||
| He is one of these weird through lines that nobody knows about. | ||
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Motherfuckers. | |
| But Larry Klayman was a very huge part of this anti-Obama sentiment. | ||
| I can't believe you said that. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| That's crazy. | ||
| It's nuts. | ||
| I feel like we're in... | ||
| Some of those words in those quotes are things that are like... | ||
| I mean, I know you want to say that. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| You're a lawyer. | ||
| How did you not... | ||
| You should not say that. | ||
| How did you not clean that up? | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| Like, the idea that he's saying, quote, relegating whites and others who are not black and Muslims to the back of the bus. | ||
| Like, I know you think that's a great turn of phrase, probably. | ||
| But, like, how do you not clean that up? | ||
| So, in this next clip... | ||
| I've been sort of saying, I think I overtly said earlier, that Alex is saying that this Ebola outbreak is a false flag. | ||
| Yes. | ||
| And I wasn't just talking shit. | ||
| He actually believes that. | ||
| A false flag. | ||
| A staged event. | ||
| Whether they souped up the Ebola or not. | ||
| So, okay, there you go. | ||
| Alex says this is a false flag. | ||
| Of course it is. | ||
| And that is not surprising. | ||
| But... | ||
| One of the things I always want to clearly delineate and make a point of is the idea that whatever Alex says is mirrored by his callers. | ||
| So about a half hour after he says that, he gets a caller. | ||
| Monique in Quebec, Canada. | ||
| Thanks for calling. | ||
| Go ahead. | ||
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Hi, Alex. | |
| Hi. | ||
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Alex, I think this is a false flag and I'm sure of that. | |
| I tend to believe like Robert David Steele when he was on your show on September 18th. | ||
| He said that the next big false flag will be a simulated Ebola attack. | ||
| So, she thinks it's a false flag, and cool, whatever. | ||
| In that explanation for why she thinks it's a false flag, she's like, Robert David Steele was on your show and said so. | ||
| Eagle-eared listeners will remember that Robert David Steele was the guy who was on who said that children were being kidnapped and taken to Mars bases. | ||
| And Alex had to disown. | ||
| And has been proven correct. | ||
| The white papers have made it prove. | ||
| Alex had to disown him because of how much embarrassment came to him, and everyone was like, Alex thinks people are on Mars bases. | ||
| I didn't say that! | ||
| The media lies about me. | ||
| They say that I think the kids are on Mars bases. | ||
| It's because of Robert David Steele, who's being brought up in 2014 as the person who predicted that Ebola... | ||
| The whole thing! | ||
| Now, I want to say this. | ||
| I do want to give it to Monique. | ||
| In a very short period of time, she made me very interested in her backstory. | ||
| So I'm all in on Monique. | ||
| I want to know what's up with Monique. | ||
| Just because she has an accent, she's from Canada, and because she thinks it's a false flag. | ||
| No, no, no, no, no. | ||
| She's just got a way about her that makes me want to know, how is it that you came back to this? | ||
| I want to know the backstory. | ||
| I gotta be honest, no matter what research I can do, I don't think I can solve that for you. | ||
| Okay. | ||
| But what I can do... | ||
| I need you to do a deep dive into Monique, and then, of course, Lauren from Ohio. | ||
| So I Google Lauren in Ohio, and then Monique Canada. | ||
| Monique in Canada. | ||
| Yes. | ||
| I think you can do this one. | ||
| I will get back to you on that. | ||
| Okay. | ||
| Take your time. | ||
| But for now, Robert David Steele was on the show on September 18th, as Monique said there. | ||
| Yes. | ||
| Saying that there will be a false flag using Ebola as the cover or whatever. | ||
| If you remember earlier, I said that it wasn't surprising that doctors and nurses weren't thinking too much about Ebola in mid-September. | ||
| Monique was. | ||
| But propaganda communities are completely different. | ||
| In the interest of total fairness, I should come clean and say that I got completely swept up in this Ebola propaganda. | ||
| Not that Obama was causing it or he's trying to bring it here into the country or any of that kind of shit, but I really bought into the doom and gloom, worst case scenario, disaster porn type of stuff in 2014. | ||
| You did personally? | ||
| I absolutely did. | ||
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Okay, okay. | |
| And I can tell you from personal experience, there had been a... | ||
| Right, right, right. | ||
| I suspect a lot of these messages were being heavily promoted by people with interests in survival, food, guns, gold, all the sort of businesses that thrive on the panic of the immediate collapse. | ||
| But at the time, it felt like a... | ||
| A consistent bombardment of stories about how this was just getting worse. | ||
| I trafficked in conspiracy blogs and message boards and stuff like that around 2014. | ||
| And I was sensible to a point. | ||
| To a point where I wasn't buying into the Rothschilds run the world or anything like that. | ||
| But this sort of story did get to me. | ||
| I remember this. | ||
| I was working at a shitty job. | ||
| Had nothing to do. | ||
| I was at this insurance company and I'd be like, oh my god, this is fucking terrifying. | ||
| And I rationalized it in my head. | ||
| I was reading these terrible things that I didn't ever find. | ||
| Like, where are they sourcing their information from? | ||
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Yeah, yeah, yeah. | |
| So I read a blog and it's about, like, there are factual pieces of it. | ||
| Like, oh my god, it started in Guinea and now it's in Sierra Leone. | ||
| Now it's in Liberia. | ||
| Right. | ||
| It's heating up in Liberia. | ||
| And every... | ||
| These blogs would just have these all-caps headlines of like, it's coming, it's coming! | ||
| It's a thing that I've never really considered, but it is like if you're in the stock market and if you're an investor and all of a sudden Apple's fucking revenue earnings come out and it's higher than expected, and you're like, holy shit, I own this amount of stock in Apple, that's going to fly up. | ||
| Like for these survivalist guys, anytime this kind of global pandemic... | ||
| Narrative comes up. | ||
| They have to be like, holy shit, we're gonna make a shit ton of money. | ||
| We better ride this out. | ||
| Because it's not real. | ||
| And when Ebola, like, it doesn't pop up that often. | ||
| No! | ||
| But when it does, it's fucking scary as shit. | ||
| Yeah, yeah, yeah. | ||
| Because the reality of having Ebola in a circumstance where you are in, well, quite frankly, Africa. | ||
| It's a brutal fucking experience. | ||
| And so it's one of the most terrifying things. | ||
| And then you have the idea of that spreading worldwide and all that. | ||
| It's the perfect thing to make content out of. | ||
| Right. | ||
| And the fact that it's from Africa brings in so much of that ingrained cultural fear where it's like when you talk about, oh, we have bees and then we have Africanized bees. | ||
| We have killer bees. | ||
| They're coming out of this place that's so foreign and so savage that it's so much worse than it. | ||
| If it was an Ebola outbreak in Texas. | ||
| That works on some levels, but from my perspective, because I lived through this. | ||
| I'm not saying from you specifically. | ||
| I understand that. | ||
| But from my perspective, it just seemed like this makes sense, because I was reading dumb resources, and I didn't understand that, like, you've got to figure out this blog that you're reading. | ||
| Where are they getting their information from? | ||
| Right. | ||
| Follow the chain of information and see if any of this means anything. | ||
| Going to the second page of Google is never going to happen for most people. | ||
| I got deeply caught up in this Ebola paranoia at that point. | ||
| Every time there was a new possible case somewhere, it would be a new blog post. | ||
| It would be new message board threads of all these, like, this, uh, it's coming everywhere. | ||
| All this is to say that there was a massive propaganda and conspiracy world campaign going on well before Thomas Duncan ever arrived in the United States. | ||
| What I'm getting at is that it's not meaningful in any way that Robert David Steele came on Alex's show and said anything like, they're going to use Ebola as a false flag on September 18th. | ||
| It was actually a really shrewd choice on his part, I think, based on the facts on the ground. | ||
| In August, the World Health Organization declared the continuing epidemic a public health emergency of international concern, which is a technical designation on their point, in August. | ||
| So that's a month before Robert David Steele came on Alex's show and said any of those sorts of things. | ||
| And when they made that announcement... | ||
| That came just a little bit after the August 5th announcement that there was a confirmed case in Spain. | ||
| A man who would end up dying a week later from the Ebola that he had. | ||
| So you already had someone in a country that was outside of Africa. | ||
| Where the outbreak started. | ||
| But he was an aid worker who had been in Africa. | ||
| Of course. | ||
| And so you have this already... | ||
| Is penetrated the other. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| It's outside of Africa. | ||
| Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. | ||
| The spread has begun. | ||
| Everything that Robert David Steele is doing on Alex's show on September 18th doesn't mean anything because a month before this, the World Health Organization has already been like, hey, guys, everybody be careful with this. | ||
| Take this seriously. | ||
| Yeah, yeah, yeah. | ||
| And simultaneously, there had already been an instance of it outside of Africa. | ||
| It is weird how... | ||
| An organization making a perfectly reasonable response to a massive disease, to a really dangerous disease, early on. | ||
| To a dangerous disease that hasn't really spread that much early on and saying, this is something we need to be aware of. | ||
| It wasn't that early on. | ||
| It was mid. | ||
| Because no one paid attention to it. | ||
| It had been going on in West Africa for a bit by that point. | ||
| But what I mean is... | ||
| Going on insofar as to say less than 100,000 people. | ||
| Do you know what I mean? | ||
| It always was less than 100. | ||
| Exactly. | ||
| Instead of waiting until it was literally a global pandemic, they waited until it was like, this is a known issue. | ||
| And we're going to issue a warning early on enough to stop it. | ||
| But, because we did it early on enough, people are going to run wild with this shit. | ||
| Well, they have real strict criteria of what constitutes a crisis that the world needs to be worried about. | ||
| Right. | ||
| And so, they did that in August 2014. | ||
| But, like, in terms of the full story here, the first case, the first patient, was in December 2013. | ||
| But it just didn't matter. | ||
| It took a while for it to become... | ||
| Like how diseases... | ||
| It took three to four months after that for it to become... | ||
| In West Africa, people took real specific notice of in March. | ||
| But the bigger point of this is that Robert David Steele has been a very multifaceted... | ||
| And Alex Jones' propaganda over the years. | ||
| He's a comedian. | ||
| And I don't think that we recognize this at all. | ||
| In 2009, we haven't heard him back in 2009, but we've heard callers mention him. | ||
| Right. | ||
| About how you talked to him on some show a year ago. | ||
| So he existed in 2008 in Alex Jones' world. | ||
| We've yet to see an actual appearance from him. | ||
| We now jump into randomly 2014. | ||
| Robert David Steele is there saying that Ebola is going to be an outbreak that's used as a false flag, which I just think is, like, he's pretty clever. | ||
| I don't think it's evidence in any way that it's a false flag. | ||
| I think he's better than the average bear in terms of, like, just looking at the actual world that exists and figuring out the best way to lie about it. | ||
| I think he's pretty good at that. | ||
| I don't think he's bad. | ||
| I mean, his longevity is evidence enough that he's got some kind of angle that works. | ||
| I mean, it lasted until, like, what, late 2016? | ||
| When the Mars colony thing happened? | ||
| Yeah, that was an overreach on his part. | ||
| Yeah, it was. | ||
| That was like a heat check. | ||
| That was like Steph Curry making two threes in a row and then being like, how about 45 feet out? | ||
| I don't know. | ||
| I think Robert David Steele is a fucking interesting person that might... | ||
| I might need to look a ton more into him. | ||
| He's also a big Bitcoin booster. | ||
| I kind of think he's more of a survivor than anything else. | ||
| I see him as being like, I'm going to ride these winds and then I'm going to change these winds when I need to change these winds. | ||
| I suspect you're wrong, but we'll see. | ||
| All right, we will see. | ||
| We'll see. | ||
| I might look into him a lot more. | ||
| But Alex, in this next clip, has some thoughts. | ||
| About how the globalists have changed Ebola. | ||
| That's a shock. | ||
| Ebola used to gestate or incubate it for three or four days. | ||
| Now it's 21, 22. So you can spread it. | ||
| It's spreading much worse. | ||
| It is a real pandemic now. | ||
| This narrative was flying all over the place in the blogs and stuff like that. | ||
| But this is all bullshit. | ||
| Alex is pretending the incubation period for Ebola has changed in some way. | ||
| Like, it used to be two days, and now it's 20. It's a matter of statistical analysis. | ||
| It's standard deviations. | ||
| Like, one standard deviation is 8 to 10 days. | ||
| Two is 2 to 21, or whatever. | ||
| Right, right, right. | ||
| Like, however it actually works out. | ||
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Right, right. | |
| And then... | ||
| Nate Silver would have a position on it. | ||
| Generally speaking, after three weeks, you're at the point where it's like, if you haven't shown the symptoms, you probably don't have it. | ||
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Right, right, right. | |
| It would be like 0.3% chance you do. | ||
| Right, right, right, right. | ||
| So Alex is pretending that it's always been two to three days. | ||
| And it's always been known that it was two to three days. | ||
| Because the globalists changed it. | ||
| Now it's 20. They've somehow made the gestation longer. | ||
| Because that serves the purpose of his arguments about they want people to fly into the country. | ||
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Right. | |
| Because they're not accepting symptoms. | ||
| Exactly. | ||
| And then they get into the country because there's a longer incubation period. | ||
| They're not showing symptoms. | ||
| I've been in the country two weeks. | ||
| It's going to take another week before I start really noticing that I have Ebola. | ||
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I'm totally cool. | |
| And in that period of time, I've already infected 50 people. | ||
| Out of nowhere, everyone's dead. | ||
| Exactly. | ||
| That sort of thing. | ||
| Zombies. | ||
| Again, he wants the CDC head to come out and be like... | ||
| The crazy fucking thing about this is, were anyone to actually want to do this, it would be so easy. | ||
| Like, any of the people that he imagines that have the control that he thinks, are there? | ||
| There's so many diseases that would be worse and easier transmitted than Ebola that they could just fucking do this. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
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There could be like a smallpox outbreak somewhere. | |
| It would be so easy. | ||
| It does kind of feel like one of the problems. | ||
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One of the problems with the way that we control diseases. | |
| It's one of the scares. | ||
| One of the scary parts of the way that we control diseases is that it does kind of feel like at any point in time, some random scientist working in the CDC could just, like... | ||
| That's exactly what happened with Larry Ivins. | ||
| A hundred million people die. | ||
| That's what happened with Anthrax. | ||
| The Anthrax mailer, Larry Ivins. | ||
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Right, exactly. | |
| The case after 9-11 that Alex also lies about. | ||
| Yeah, of course. | ||
| Go read that report if you want to actually know what happened there. | ||
| That guy was nuts and an abuser. | ||
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Yeah. | |
| Boy, he was a manipulative fucking asshole. | ||
| When we talked about that guy, I was bummed. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
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Yeah. | |
| So we got one more clip here. | ||
| Alex gets to the end of the show. | ||
| He's been making fine points. | ||
| I say facetiously. | ||
| He's been doing his best to present this idea that Obama is doing this. | ||
| The federal government is in charge of not letting planes come in. | ||
| Not taking into account the idea that studies had been done. | ||
| And like these studies that I'm talking about, a lot of them had been done before. | ||
| This outbreak ever happened. | ||
| The only one that hadn't is the one about this outbreak that showed that any kind of sequestering wasn't effective. | ||
| Right, right, right. | ||
| I think we can agree with Alex when he does say that Rick Perry is a piece of shit, though. | ||
| Fine, but he also was measured about that. | ||
| That's true. | ||
| He wasn't letting Perry off the hook. | ||
| Right. | ||
| But he was also being like... | ||
| Go off the hook. | ||
| I don't like seeing Alex like that because Endgame literally ends with him with a bullhorn outside Perry's home. | ||
| He's outside Rick Perry's home yelling at him because he went to Bilderberg. | ||
| So I don't like him ever giving him a chance. | ||
| Legitimately, I do not remember that on account of watching Endgame and that being the end. | ||
| The closing shot is Alex as... | ||
| Lights go dark outside Rick Perry's house screaming into a bullhorn. | ||
| Yep, I had lost my mind three and a half hours before that. | ||
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Rick Perry! | |
| Rick Perry, you suck! | ||
| I do want that violin to be our sting now. | ||
| Yeah, it should be our theme song. | ||
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Yeah, yeah, yeah. | |
| So, we got one more clip in that it's a fucking disaster. | ||
| Of a fake caller. | ||
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Yeah. | |
| So, one of the things that's really, like, a hallmark of Alex Jones' show is that he has a lot of callers because they know they're anonymous and they're just calling in. | ||
| They often say that, like, I work in intelligence. | ||
| We saw this with Zach. | ||
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Yeah. | |
| His caller that he kept having on and mysteriously gone now. | ||
| Oh! | ||
| Crazy! | ||
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What? | |
| Where did Zach go? | ||
| Where does that go? | ||
| Just drop that narrative. | ||
| Oh, come on! | ||
| He's at NORCOM! | ||
| He's probably run away to Morocco again. | ||
| That's a smart idea on his part. | ||
| Who knows? | ||
| Why hasn't Stone left the country? | ||
| Anyways. | ||
| A lot of these callers that call in give themselves credentials in order to make Alex sort of listen to them more. | ||
| But in doing so, what I've noticed is they only do that to mirror Alex's narratives back to him. | ||
| In a way that then he can be like, I talked to this guy who's an insider who knows that I'm fucking right. | ||
| There's an echo chamber there where the audience understands that they can elevate his narratives by trolling him positively. | ||
| Like, in a way that supports what he's doing. | ||
| And I think that this caller is a perfect representative of that. | ||
| Insider from FEMA Region 6. I'm in former Texas. | ||
| That's in FEMA Region 6. What former state are you in, Insider? | ||
| He's in FEMA Region 6! | ||
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I'm in former state, Tex. | |
| I work for the regional agency in formerly known as San Antonio, Texas. | ||
| One of my duties is public health emergency preparedness planning. | ||
| The reason I know the Ebola outbreak is being conducted on purpose is it violates all protocols. | ||
| What violates protocols? | ||
| If they were sick, they would be isolated at a former military base until the sickness had passed or they died. | ||
| Everyone else would be forcibly vaccinated. | ||
| There would be no exceptions and no travel in and out of Bexar County. | ||
| So the fact that they're allowing people to travel into the United States and they are not locking down the city of Dallas tells me this is by design. | ||
| That guy was reading off a script. | ||
| Yeah, I was 100% going to say that there's no way that he is... | ||
| Extemporaneously speaking. | ||
| No, no, no. | ||
| It's 100% he's reading an essay that he has written. | ||
| This quote-unquote insider is full of shit. | ||
| He clearly doesn't know what the protocol is in a situation like this and what he's describing. | ||
| No, I'm pretty sure it's call in the National Guard, have them screen everybody, isolate people in churches and hospitals. | ||
| Right. | ||
| Because why not? | ||
| And then... | ||
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And then kill them and then wait until they die. | |
| Wait until they die. | ||
| Yeah, yeah, yeah. | ||
| Describing is literally Alex Jones' worst nightmare come true in terms of the federal government coming in, locking down a city, and screening all the citizens at military bases and churches that they have requisitioned. | ||
| And that's how you know it's real! | ||
| In reality, this idea comes from movies, and it doesn't at all reflect what professionals actually do. | ||
| The last time in America there was a large-scale quarantine or isolation... | ||
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It was just Japanese people for being Japanese? | |
| No, no, that was internment. | ||
| The last time there was a large-scale quarantine was 1918-19 when the Spanish flu broke out. | ||
| No public health crisis since then, and there have been many, plenty of them, have been responded to by mass quarantine, and there's a good reason why. | ||
| Multiple reasons why. | ||
| For one, it doesn't work. | ||
| Most basically, a large-scale quarantine will almost certainly trigger a mass panic. | ||
| That could lead to all manner of unintended consequences ranging from vigilantism to looting. | ||
| Second, that panic in people who see themselves as not sick often leads to people concocting plans to break the quarantine. | ||
| No one wants to stay in the place where the sickness is even if they know that leaving puts others at risk. | ||
| It's part of the human survival impulse. | ||
| Probably least importantly, a large-scale quarantine is a huge economic disruption. | ||
| Whatever city you're quarantining effectively gets taken out of the larger economy, and it's possible that billions could be lost on top of whatever it would cost. | ||
| you to just do the quarantine in the first place. | ||
| Beyond that, only 10 states have laws in place that would allow people who have jobs that are subject to a quarantine to keep their jobs based on... | ||
| Being subject to a quarantine. | ||
| I'm going to say Texas is one of those. | ||
| I'm not sure. | ||
| I don't have a list of all of them. | ||
| Ooh, I feel like Texas is one. | ||
| Okay. | ||
| There's only ten places that are like, if there's a quarantine, you don't have to come to work. | ||
| We cannot fire you for that. | ||
| All right. | ||
| Ten out of fifty. | ||
| I'm not even going to go with states. | ||
| I'm just going to say that of those ten states, one of them is just Frankfurt, Kentucky. | ||
| Sure. | ||
| I know for sure that they would do that. | ||
| If they could. | ||
| Wait, isn't Ron Paul from Kentucky? | ||
| Or Rand Paul from Kentucky? | ||
| Ron's from Texas. | ||
| Rand's from Kentucky. | ||
| I don't know. | ||
| Look, the issue is this doesn't work. | ||
| This idea, what he's putting out into the world, this fake insider, he's putting out the idea of quarantining a city. | ||
| It doesn't work. | ||
| Because what you do then is you end up, just imagine in your head, you're not a dumb person. | ||
| Imagine what happens then. | ||
| He's talking about quarantining Dallas, Texas. | ||
| It's a nonsensical proposition. | ||
| The idea that you were ever going to be able to create an actual... | ||
| Build a wall! | ||
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| Build a wall. | ||
| It is fun. | ||
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Build a wall. | |
| But it is the same instinct here. | ||
| This idea that you're ever going to be able to cloister this city where there is a disease there or whatever. | ||
| An insane idea. | ||
| What is smart about quarantine as a rule is as small as possible. | ||
| So if you have someone who is, you have strong suspicion, has the condition, quarantine that person in a hospital. | ||
| Quarantine. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| You don't have to clean the entire house. | ||
| What good is that going to do you if no one goes in? | ||
| It doesn't help you. | ||
| So, I mean, that was the last clip, Jordan. | ||
| We have this insider who calls in, and he's clearly full of shit. | ||
| Like, he's not an insider. | ||
| Absolutely not. | ||
| He's someone who's masquerading. | ||
| He's someone who's one of Alex Jones' callers who's trying to create... | ||
| He's a 110-pound pimple-covered anarchist. | ||
| He's trying to create the perception of himself as an authority figure to reinforce Alex Jones' narratives that he has heard by listening to Alex. | ||
| And to give himself stolen authority. | ||
| Maybe, but he's anonymous. | ||
| In many ways, he doesn't get to own that. | ||
| It still feels good. | ||
| It probably feels great. | ||
| He's on a nationally syndicated radio network sounding like he was so fucking cool. | ||
| I'm sure he gets a charge out of that. | ||
| I bet he's trying to get laid off of it. | ||
| I'm sure he got a charge out of that, but also you can't really use that to help socially. | ||
| You can't go to the bar and everyone's like, hello, colonel, or whatever. | ||
| Right, right, right. | ||
| There's still some... | ||
| It's only for you, but it's also for Alex. | ||
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| It's the... | ||
| Kind of like donation in kind that Alex's audience often gives to him. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| This idea of like, they're gonna lie in order to bolster Alex's narratives for him. | ||
| You make me feel important, so I'm going to make your narrative feel important as well. | ||
| It's important for both of us. | ||
| And so I'm going to... | ||
| You need someone to lie to make this make sense, so I'm going to do it for you. | ||
| Which is interesting. | ||
| I'm very fascinated by that. | ||
| And I'm not saying that just because I disagree with this guy. | ||
| I'm saying this because what he's saying makes no sense. | ||
| The idea of, like, quarantining a city as large as Dallas or even, like, he's saying he's from Bayer County, which is, it's spelled Bexar, but it's pronounced Bayer because Texas is weird. | ||
| Refuse. | ||
| Goodbye. | ||
| Goodbye, Bayer County. | ||
| You're not allowed. | ||
| But that's not a small county. | ||
| That includes San Antonio. | ||
| So, like, it's the idea that, like, where I come from, like, if he had been some guy in a tiny county and it had been, like, where I come from, it's like... | ||
| We closed down everything. | ||
| It's like, your population is 200. | ||
| Maybe. | ||
| I think that's ineffective, but maybe that would be what you did. | ||
| Right, right, right. | ||
| Maybe. | ||
| Statistically, maybe you could keep 200 people under control. | ||
| Maybe. | ||
| You put that into 2,000 people? | ||
| One is gonna get out. | ||
| Way more than that. | ||
| And yes. | ||
| I know, I know, but like, at minimum, one is gonna get out. | ||
| And then take that to an order of... | ||
| To a million people, yeah, yeah. | ||
| It's nonsensical. | ||
| So, I would like to say thank you to George Soros Jr. for suggesting this. | ||
| Thank you very much, George Soros Jr. | ||
| It's interesting, for no other reason than I learned about Ellis Island, I appreciate it. | ||
| So, look, if I can summate this episode in any way, I would say, Walt, happy birthday. | ||
| You're the best. | ||
| That is the summation of our episode, yes. | ||
| That's all I've been trying to say. | ||
| That's all we've been in the entire episode. | ||
| This whole time. | ||
| That's entirely been one happy birthday to Walt. | ||
| You son of a bitch, Walt. | ||
| You're one of the best. | ||
| And this is a lot of fun. | ||
| I do enjoy this. | ||
| I enjoy dipping toes into the past out of context. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| Because we're not out of context. | ||
| We know a lot about Alex Jones. | ||
| And so any day that we check in, we can kind of understand what he's talking about. | ||
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| If we had done this episode maybe two years ago, it would have been like... | ||
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| He's saying fucked up stuff. | ||
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| But because we have an understanding of him, we can contextualize all these Ebola narratives. | ||
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Yeah. | |
| And I'm glad that we're doing this now as opposed to earlier. | ||
| Right. | ||
| And that might be my way of deflecting from the idea that there are a number of time travel requests that we haven't done. | ||
| And I'm only trying to say that they're going to be better because we put them off. | ||
| And thank you all. | ||
| Always. | ||
| If you remind me again about needing to do... | ||
| If you have sent me a time travel request, it can't hurt to remind me again. | ||
| I'm not going to take it personally. | ||
| I have one minor quibble. | ||
| Oh, okay. | ||
| One minor quibble. | ||
| And this is just language-based. | ||
| When you say, we know a lot about Alex Jones, I would prefer if you said... | ||
| We know an unfortunate amount about Alex Jones. | ||
| It is unfortunate. | ||
| Because it is a dangerous... | ||
| You know an unfortunate amount about Alex Jones. | ||
| Well, you know an abusive amount. | ||
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| I know. | ||
| A life-destroying amount about Alex Jones. | ||
| I know enough about Alex Jones that I can't do anything else with my life. | ||
| Like, I literally can't. | ||
| Do you know who didn't kill anybody, Dan? | ||
| Somebody who... | ||
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Wait, wait, wait. | |
| You're telling me about a guy who never killed anybody. | ||
| Never killed anybody. | ||
| Right. | ||
| Do you know what he didn't have? | ||
| A website. | ||
| Do you know what we have? | ||
| We do have a website. | ||
| We do have a website? | ||
| What's our website? | ||
| Do you know what the guy who I'm specifically thinking of who didn't kill anybody didn't have? | ||
| A Twitter account. | ||
| Do we have one? | ||
| This could be disappointing at the end of this if it turns out he did have a website. | ||
| But it's knowledge underscore fight. | ||
| Do you know who didn't have a Facebook account? | ||
| Or a group on Facebook called Go Home and Tell Your Mother. | ||
| Wait, we're on Facebook! | ||
| Do you know who didn't kill anybody who also cannot be found on iTunes? | ||
| I don't know. | ||
| This is a mysterious thing. | ||
| The Greek god Mithras. | ||
| Mithras never killed anybody? | ||
| Who died? | ||
| And then three days later, came back to life, and there are no similarities between Christian iconography at all, Dan! | ||
| Are you sure Mithras never killed anybody or inspired death of somebody? | ||
| Never killed anybody. | ||
| Surprisingly, as compared to Jesus, who in the Apocrypha killed so many people. | ||
| The child gospel, he killed his friend. | ||
| Oh, he killed... | ||
| And then he brought him back to life, so it's kind of a push. | ||
| Yeah, it was a push. | ||
| He killed a bunch of dragons, though, and dragons were dope at the time. | ||
| Sure. | ||
| But that is not a sin. | ||
| But Mithras didn't ever kill nobody. | ||
| But one guy did. | ||
| One guy did. | ||
| Technically. | ||
| Technically, probably. | ||
| Probably. | ||
| And that's Alex Jones. | ||
| Andy in Kansas, you're on the air. | ||
| Thanks for holding. | ||
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Hello, Alex. | |
| I'm a first-time caller. | ||
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I'm a huge fan. | |
| I love your work. |