Today, Dan and Jordan close out the year with an episode covering the day Alex Jones attempted to lay out all of his rock-solid evidence about how his stories about FEMA camps are totally true. It would not be an exaggeration to say that the result is impressively disappointing.
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| Andy in Kansas, you're on the air. | ||
| Thanks for holding. | ||
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Hello, Alex. | |
| I'm a first-time caller. | ||
| I'm a huge fan. | ||
| I love your work. | ||
| I love you. | ||
| Hey, everybody. | ||
| Welcome back to Knowledge Fight. | ||
| I'm Dan. | ||
| I'm Jordan. | ||
| We're a couple dudes like to sit around, drink novelty beverages, and talk a little bit about Alex Jones. | ||
| Indeed we are, Dan. | ||
| Yup. | ||
| Dan! | ||
| Hi, Jordan. | ||
| When was the last time you were really, really sick? | ||
| Like, we're talking... | ||
| Have you ever been hospitalized for sickness? | ||
| No, not for a sickness. | ||
| Not for a sickness? | ||
| I mean, for a broken arm, maybe. | ||
| I've gotten... | ||
| Like, what kind of infections are we dealing with? | ||
| I've had, like, mono and strep throat, and that's, like, knocked me out a bit. | ||
| I don't know. | ||
| I don't really get sick all that often. | ||
| It's strep throat. | ||
| I've never had strep throat or mono. | ||
| Is that, like, supposed to be really bad? | ||
| It can be. | ||
| It can be pretty bad. | ||
| I mean, you just get really bad fevers, and you just have to ride it out. | ||
| You know, get antibiotics and stuff like that and whatever. | ||
| I don't know. | ||
| I don't get sick all that often. | ||
| And when I do, it's usually just on par with a hangover. | ||
| Really? | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| Hangovers are the things that have been the worst in my life. | ||
| Right, right, right, right. | ||
| I don't know. | ||
| It was weird. | ||
| I guess I got chicken pox when I was really young. | ||
| I remember that being kind of bad. | ||
| Yeah, I broke my arm, went to a hospital. | ||
| That's about it. | ||
| I'm going to be honest with you. | ||
| I have never been prescribed antibiotics of any kind in my entire life. | ||
| Isn't that crazy? | ||
| That is kind of weird now, isn't it? | ||
| It is very weird. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| Never happened. | ||
| Not weird in a bad way. | ||
| No, no, no. | ||
| It's great. | ||
| But I've never had a disease. | ||
| I guess I've stayed overnight in hospitals for sleep studies and stuff like that. | ||
| I had a really bad insomnia thing going for a bit in my life. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| Yeah, other than that, I don't know. | ||
| Good stuff. | ||
| Didn't lead to a great story. | ||
| Nope. | ||
| Sorry. | ||
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Hey. | |
| But you know, it is great. | ||
| Nice. | ||
| Thanks. | ||
| I'd like to say some great things about some of our new donors. | ||
| I really appreciate it oh so very much. | ||
| And in honor of that, I'd like to say thank you so much to Jonathan. | ||
| You are now a policy wonk. | ||
| I'm a policy wonk. | ||
| Thank you, Jonathan. | ||
| Thank you very much, Jonathan. | ||
| Also, I'd like to say thank you to Atropos Twitch. | ||
| You are now a policy wonk. | ||
| I'm a policy wonk. | ||
| Thank you so much. | ||
| Thank you so much. | ||
| Kevin, you are now a policy wonk. | ||
| And thank you so much. | ||
| I worded that weirdly. | ||
| That was weirdly worded. | ||
| I'm a policy wonk. | ||
| Thank you, Kevin. | ||
| Thank you very much. | ||
| You know what's not weird? | ||
| What's that? | ||
| How grateful I am to Kevin. | ||
| Oh, yeah. | ||
| Now you're getting in my game. | ||
| That's what I'm doing. | ||
| Then finally, I'd like to say thank you to somebody who's donated on a little bit of an elevated level. | ||
| And we appreciate that oh so very much. | ||
| So, Emmy, you are now a technocrat. | ||
| I'm a policy wonk. | ||
| Call home to your mother and tell her you're brilliant. | ||
| Someone sodomite sent me a bucket of poop. | ||
| Daddy Shark. | ||
| Jar Jar Binks has a Caribbean black accent. | ||
| He's a loser little titty baby. | ||
| I don't want to hate black people. | ||
| I renounce Jesus Christ. | ||
| Thank you so much, Emmy. | ||
| Thank you so much, Emmy. | ||
| The reason I overpronounced it is E-M-M-E. | ||
| So it might actually be M. It could be M. And if it is, I apologize, first of all, for mispronouncing it, and then overpronouncing the mispronunciation. | ||
| Eh, sorry. | ||
| Well, I just appreciate a good palindrome. | ||
| Emmy. | ||
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Yeah. | |
| Able was I, ere I saw Elba. | ||
| Palindrome. | ||
| Don't look at me like that. | ||
| A man playing the canal, Panama. | ||
| I only talk about one Elba, and that is Idris. | ||
| Race car. | ||
| These are all palindromes, man. | ||
| What else you got? | ||
| I think Abel was I, Air I Saw Elba. | ||
| That's where I top out. | ||
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Yeah, yeah, yeah. | |
| That's going to be your one. | ||
| 1001. | ||
| That's a good palindrome. | ||
| That's a good palindrome. | ||
| If you would like to support the show and what we do, you can do that by going to our website, knowledgefight.com, clicking that button that says support the show. | ||
| We would appreciate it. | ||
|
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Yes. | |
| Jordan, we got a fun episode to get into today. | ||
| You're very excited. | ||
| It's fitting that this will be the last episode of the year on Knowledge Fight, which brings us to basically our second anniversary. | ||
| The beginning of January will be two years officially doing this. | ||
| And so before we get into the episode, I wanted to take a moment, and I've been thinking about it, what my favorite thing on the show was. | ||
| Like, I'd considered, like, maybe for our New Year's Eve episode, which we're doing right now, maybe we do a clip show. | ||
| Oh, what are we? | ||
| What are we? | ||
| Cheers? | ||
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We're not doing a clip show. | |
| But that's what I started to think about. | ||
| It was like, first of all, is that gauche? | ||
| Second of all, what is that? | ||
| We are a clip show! | ||
| Right. | ||
| Do we do the top ten clips of Alex Jones? | ||
| But then we've already talked about those clips. | ||
| Yeah, exactly. | ||
| It feels false. | ||
| And then, like, okay, what about the top ten moments on our show? | ||
| Like, you and me sitting here listening to ourselves? | ||
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No, thank you. | |
| No, no, uh-uh. | ||
| Fuck that. | ||
| No. | ||
| That's awful. | ||
| But I started to reflect on it. | ||
| I was taking a bath the other day, and I was laying there. | ||
| I was thinking about, like, what sticks out in my head as the best thing? | ||
| That we've uncovered on this show in 2018. | ||
| And I think, I mean, there's crimes. | ||
| Certainly on our last episode, we had a real fucked up announcement. | ||
| The tragic story of Nonc. | ||
| Sure. | ||
| But I think that might have also been in 2017. | ||
| Yes, it was. | ||
| We learned that Alex Jones probably killed a guy, which is... | ||
| Oh, definitely. | ||
| Big stuff for us. | ||
| Definitely probably technically killed a guy. | ||
| I wanted to actually have you come in with your favorite thing, and I have my favorite thing, but I forgot to tell you. | ||
| And so I'm just going to give mine. | ||
| And if something comes up in your head, certainly, by all means, I will say that the top thing for me is Alex Jones'interview with Bill Ayers. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
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I re-watched that interview, and nothing can top that. | |
| Yeah, that was great. | ||
| At one point, I forgot about this, Bill Ayers asks him where he found some declassified information, and Alex is like, ah, History Channel! | ||
| That's right! | ||
| Oh, shit! | ||
| It's the most absurd thing ever, and I think that gets my title for best thing in 2018 on our show. | ||
| You know, this is probably recency bias because of my complete lack of any kind of memory, but... | ||
| Man, it's tough to beat a good bite of the apple in a fat-filled Life's Very Fragile. | ||
| That plus Ozzy Van Damus, those are strong. | ||
| No, they weren't. | ||
| They were very close together. | ||
| They were back-to-back episodes. | ||
| But yeah, those are real strong. | ||
| But the reason that I'm going to say I respect your choice, but I'm staying with mine, is that... | ||
| I wasn't trying to convince you. | ||
| I understand that. | ||
| There will be nothing that is named the best. | ||
| We just each have our best. | ||
| Right, right, right, right. | ||
| I love your choice for best. | ||
| The reason my choice is better. | ||
| I'm just kidding. | ||
| Ooh, Facebook group poll! | ||
| It's that in that interview, Alex really demonstrates how he can't hang. | ||
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Yeah. | |
| In an interview with someone who he's been lying about for years. | ||
| For sure. | ||
| He has the guy there. | ||
| It's his chance to pin him down. | ||
| And he can't do it. | ||
| Because all of the information that he's been saying about this guy for years is all lies. | ||
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Yeah. | |
| So it just fully demonstrates that Alex is full of shit. | ||
| He flounders, and it's super embarrassing. | ||
| And I think that this actually, unintentionally, has some relevance to some of the stuff we're going to be going over today, because it's another instance of Alex, feet to the fire, not being... | ||
| He's interviewing Noam Chomsky? | ||
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No. | |
| But it's another instance of him just not being able to hang. | ||
| It's like... | ||
| Alex Jones, you have put yourself in the position of the guy. | ||
| You are Jordan. | ||
| Not you. | ||
| Michael Jordan. | ||
| Michael Jordan. | ||
| You are the guy who they pass the ball to when there's three seconds left and you're down two. | ||
| Right, right, right. | ||
| He passed the ball to Steve Kerr, though. | ||
| Right. | ||
| But that's still a good choice. | ||
| Still a good choice. | ||
| Steve Kerr is the Bill Ayers of the Bulls, I believe. | ||
| Everybody calls him that. | ||
| Kukoc. | ||
| Yeah, but Alex presents himself that way. | ||
| But then over and over again, we see these examples of it's like the buzzer is coming down. | ||
| The game is about to end. | ||
| You're interviewing Bill Ayers, the guy you said is a domestic terrorist. | ||
| Right. | ||
| And you can prove it and you just get embarrassed by it. | ||
| And I think today we see another instance of the clock is winding down. | ||
| Alex, feet to the fire, back to the wall. | ||
| Shits the bed. | ||
| I'm very excited about that. | ||
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Okay. | |
| Today we'll be going over April 5th and 6th, 2009. | ||
| Okay. | ||
| And it's just, there's a lot of fun going on. | ||
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Okay, okay! | |
| But we'll start with an out-of-context drop from today's episode. | ||
| I would ask listeners to check out every claim we're going to make for yourself, because the biggest problem we do have going for us... | ||
| Is that most of the stuff I see on the internet is speculation or rumors. | ||
| And on my site. | ||
| I love that. | ||
| What I would like you guys to do who are listening to this show is my job. | ||
| I would like you to investigate. | ||
| I want you to call these sources. | ||
| I want you to back them up. | ||
| I want you to find secondary sources, and I want you to get quotes on the record. | ||
| I, however, am going to report on speculation on the internet. | ||
| I mean, he's trying to present it as like, I have done all this research, and so you guys don't take my word for it like I'm some sort of LeVar Burton out here. | ||
| Is that right? | ||
| Is that what he said? | ||
| That is what he said. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| On Reading Rainbow. | ||
| Holy shit. | ||
| I just got so scared. | ||
| No, no, no. | ||
| I panicked as well. | ||
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I was like, wait, is that Reading Rainbow? | |
| Yeah, that's what he said on Reading Rainbow. | ||
| Is that George LaForge's catchphrase? | ||
| This is a real chumbawamba all over again. | ||
| We're in trouble here. | ||
| So yeah, but he's trying to present the idea of like, I've done the research, but everything else on the internet, there's so much stuff out there that's rank speculation and all this nonsense. | ||
| So don't just believe me because I'm saying it. | ||
| I'll say, unfortunately, Alex, I have done just that. | ||
| And that is what this podcast is. | ||
| And you don't come out looking good. | ||
| And in this episode, you come out looking particularly bad. | ||
| Now we're all excited. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| So here's the first clip. | ||
| This is from April 5th, and that's a Sunday show. | ||
| And what has happened in the world is there's been some bad stuff that just happened. | ||
| There have been some murders. | ||
| And Alex has to cover these murders because they kind of involve him. | ||
| There have been a lot of horrible mass shootings, people killing their whole families, some spoiled, rotten, cowardly lunatic, because he couldn't learn to speak English fast enough, went into the place where people were supposedly teaching him English and killed 13 people, including himself. | ||
| And then there was another one yesterday in Pittsburgh, Pennsylvania, where this Richard Andrew Pulaski... | ||
| Twenty-something-year-old, 22-year-old man waited for three police to come to his mommy's house where he lived. | ||
| It's always these guys that live with mommy. | ||
| I mean, I don't know what the deal is with them, but the point is that he shot two of the cops as his mother waved them into the house to throw him out. | ||
| And then... | ||
| He waited for more to come and shot three more, killing another one of them. | ||
| And the mainstream media has certainly enjoyed tying me into this, let me tell you. | ||
| Raw story, the Pittsburgh Post-Gazette and others, because his friends and family say that he learned, he was also in the Marines, by the way, he learned of a plan to put troops on the streets and for gun confiscation. | ||
| Oh, no. | ||
| And I'm attacked by the newspaper saying that doesn't exist. | ||
| When all I did was read the Army Times, and by the way, in separate news... | ||
| He goes off on another... | ||
| Yeah, I'm surprised he goes off on another tangent real quick. | ||
| Kind of said his piece on that one, which is, no, no, no, no, no. | ||
| Not me! | ||
| Moving on. | ||
| So the shooting Alex is talking about here revolves around Richard Poplowski, a 22-year-old guy who killed three cops before he was taken alive. | ||
| Coincidence, huh? | ||
| Wait, I assume the color of his skin had nothing to do with that, right? | ||
| I see no reason to believe that that was the case. | ||
| Was he a white person? | ||
| Yes. | ||
| In the aftermath of the shooting, a lot of blogs and media outlets started to have a discussion about what motivated Richard. | ||
| Sure, he was mad at his mom for telling him that he had to get rid of his dog because the dog had been peeing on the carpet. | ||
| They're always mad at women. | ||
| Yep. | ||
| He started to get domestically violent. | ||
| They always have domestic violence. | ||
| She calls the police about this. | ||
| Good call. | ||
| The police come. | ||
| He starts killing cops. | ||
| That is what the event was that precipitated the shooting, but his motivations went much deeper. | ||
| Richard's friend, Edward Perkovic, said that he was obsessed with the idea that Obama was coming to take everyone's guns, a large theme of a documentary released by Alex Jones a month before the shooting. | ||
| Coincidence. | ||
| No doubt. | ||
| Richard was a frequent poster on both Alex's site and Stormfront, where he once posted, quote, the federal government mainstream media and banking system in these United States are strongly under the influence of, if not completely controlled by, Zionist interests. | ||
| An economic collapse of the financial system is inevitable, bringing with it some degree of civil unrest, if not outright balkanization of the continental United States civil revolutionary racial war. | ||
| This collapse is largely engineered by the elite Jewish powers that be in order to make for a power and asset grab. | ||
| Summer of rage! | ||
| Take the words Jew and Zionist out of there, you got Alex to a fucking T. And you all know Alex is saying that under his fucking breath. | ||
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Yep. | |
| Whether or not that's actually the argument that Alex believes is irrelevant. | ||
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Sure. | |
| It's the tropes that he's using are entirely based. | ||
| He's a Pez dispenser. | ||
| Yes. | ||
| He clearly believed all the things that Alex put into the world, but Alex doesn't want to talk too much about this case, really. | ||
| He just wants to deflect attention and be like, that's not me, that's not me, because Richard was motivated by everything that Alex put into the world, but there's a little wrinkle. | ||
| Five days before he committed his murders, Richard also posted this on the InfoWars forums. | ||
| Quote, For being such players in the endgame, too many InfoWarriors are surprisingly unfamiliar with the Zionists. | ||
| So, he was someone who clearly believed everything Alex was saying, but felt he wasn't hard enough on the Jews. | ||
| This is a conversation Alex doesn't want to have, because it very clearly illustrates how, at least on some level, his sight serves as a conduit towards people... | ||
| Getting the message of Nazis. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
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So you have this murder, and it's very unfortunate. | |
| There's no reason it had to go that way. | ||
| Man, it sure seems like... | ||
| The first time he starts talking about these shootings, I was like, God, that's awful. | ||
| I should remember that. | ||
| And I don't, because which shooting is it? | ||
| And it's crazy because three cops were murdered, and you don't remember this. | ||
| You don't remember it. | ||
| Now, granted, it was ten years ago, so it's a little bit like... | ||
| But there's still... | ||
| That should be a big moment in a country. | ||
| That should be a big moment for the 300 million people in our country. | ||
| And what you're expressing is something that I feel so much when I go back and listen to these 2009 episodes. | ||
| Because we don't even talk about it all the times necessarily, that something that should be a national tragedy happens. | ||
| Yeah, yeah. | ||
| Everybody should know about that. | ||
| But it's like... | ||
| Oh, so was that one of the ones in the schools, or was that one of the ones outside of the schools? | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| Because there's been hundreds of both. | ||
| It goes to show that sort of feeling that everyone likes to blame on Trump, like this idea of desensitization of all these horrible things. | ||
| Right. | ||
| Normalization of... | ||
| You can't remember that last week X happened. | ||
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Yeah. | |
| It's something that has been pervasive in our society for longer than Trump. | ||
| Oh, hell yeah. | ||
| That sort of thing is sort of a human... | ||
| Maybe even self-defense mechanism to some extent. | ||
| What else is us joking about? | ||
| If you have to feel the pain of all of these things, you can't function. | ||
| It's unimaginable. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| So Alex wants to talk a little bit more about this. | ||
| And I think he's going to blame Obama? | ||
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That sounds right. | |
| Wrong story. | ||
| And the Pittsburgh Post-Gazette have decided to attack me in association with the fatal shooting of three police officers. | ||
| It's just ridiculous. | ||
| They also attack Glenn Beck, because we are delusional and say that Obama wants to confiscate guns, and so then this half-baked crazy kills some cops, so there you go, it's my fault. | ||
| No, it's Barack Obama's fault. | ||
| That sounds right. | ||
| We'll get back to that in a second. | ||
| I think that this also illustrates how Alex is incapable, or I think it's more unwilling, of dealing with, like... | ||
| That sort of thing. | ||
| But that, in essence, is... | ||
| Minimizing. | ||
| Yeah, yeah, yeah. | ||
| Hey, hey, hey. | ||
| When this illegal immigrant kills these people or when these three young Muslim girls walk into the pool supply store, you know they're up to no good. | ||
| You know that they're animals. | ||
| This white guy, he lived... | ||
| Oh, he was pathetic. | ||
| He lived with his mommy. | ||
| Oh, you just want to be... | ||
| He was in the Marines. | ||
| They taught him how to kill. | ||
| Obama made him scared. | ||
| It is probably Obama's fault. | ||
| For coming to get his guns. | ||
| I assume that's what happened, right? | ||
| I mean, that's a big angle that Alex is going to take, but it's all a load of shit. | ||
| For introducing bills to effectively ban all semi-automatic handguns and rifles, and to psychologically test all Americans to own guns, and to have an attorney general who lobbied last year. | ||
| So real quick, he's going to talk about Eric Holder having, like, he lobbied before the Supreme Court. | ||
| I'm just going to end this. | ||
| He just rambles about that. | ||
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Yeah, yeah, yeah. | |
| He didn't. | ||
| Eric Holder didn't argue in front of the Supreme Court, but in 2008, D.C. v. | ||
| Heller, he did sign an amicus brief with a bunch of people who were making the argument that the Second Amendment doesn't necessarily protect an individual's right to own firearms outside of a well-regulated militia. | ||
| That is an argument that people make about the interpretation of the Second Amendment. | ||
| Right, a correct argument. | ||
| He signed an amicus brief with a bunch of people. | ||
| It wasn't like he went to the Supreme Court and was like... | ||
| I do say, Mr. Supreme Court Justice, take their guns. | ||
| But that's the image Alex wants to present. | ||
| Mr. Holder goes to SCOTUS. | ||
| Right, and that's not the case at all. | ||
| Now, earlier right there, you heard Alex say that Obama is trying to push for people to have psychological testing for guns. | ||
| And only because I think this is a very... | ||
| Superfine with that, too. | ||
| This is a very important point. | ||
| Here is Alex from his interview that he did with Patrick Bette David in 2018 saying what he thinks is, you know... | ||
| Good gun control. | ||
| So let me flip that on you. | ||
| Do you believe in background checks with guns? | ||
| I believe in the Second Amendment. | ||
| I think criminals are going to get guns regardless. | ||
| But I do think with mental health, other issues, as long as it's become draconian, I think a background check is probably good. | ||
| So a background check that does maybe, if you're on prescription right now, you're taking Prozac, whatever it is, some of the medication lists that we have that is either for bipolar or whatever things that we just talked about. | ||
| Those folks can't get a gun. | ||
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You're okay with that? | |
| I'm on Lamictal. | ||
| Here's the thing. | ||
| 30% of women are on those drugs, about 15% of men. | ||
| That doesn't sound right. | ||
| A lot of people don't act like maniacs when they're on it. | ||
| But I say this. | ||
| Before you restrict my right, people that are on those drugs, when the insert says it can make you be a killer, they should be looked at. | ||
| I think if somebody has been diagnosed as psychotic... | ||
| And it's on those drugs. | ||
| There should be a database, and you shouldn't be able to have a firearm. | ||
| By Alex's own definition of what Obama did, Alex Jones is a gun grabber. | ||
| He's saying that you can't have psychological testing for it in the past when Obama was pushing for it. | ||
| Of course! | ||
| In an interview, he says, if you're on psychiatric medication, there should be a list. | ||
| If you've been diagnosed as this, there should be a list, and you shouldn't have a gun. | ||
| 2009, Alex Jones would have been screaming about that if the person saying it was black. | ||
| Not if 2009, Alex Jones had two... | ||
| 2009 Trump in the office, then we're going to be fine with psychological background checks. | ||
| I just wanted to illustrate that because I think you need to cut through a lot of the bullshit, especially in this instance, because what Alex Jones is doing is perpetuating the exact kind of fear that made this guy end up shooting three cops. | ||
| He's going on air and blaming Obama while perpetuating the same behavior that he clearly, when pressed on it, went drunk at a hotel by someone who he perceives to have higher status than him. | ||
| He says, oh, all that stuff is actually really good. | ||
| Of course people who have mental issues that I'm scared of shouldn't have guns. | ||
| Of course! | ||
| He's a monster. | ||
| This is monstrous behavior. | ||
| His argument is, when you boil it down, his argument is, Obama is coming for your guns, and that's what you get. | ||
| If you try and take people's guns, you're going to get... | ||
| Dead cops. | ||
| Well, there's that, and it's also... | ||
| Which suggests that he thinks it's justified, in a way. | ||
| A little bit. | ||
| And even beyond that, he's trying to present and perpetuate the... | ||
| I guess the idea that this guy who killed these cops wasn't delusional. | ||
| You know, the idea that he was afraid of Obama taking his guns... | ||
| That wasn't based on a propaganda narrative put out by the right wing and people like Alex Jones. | ||
| That's based on reality. | ||
| He saw through the bullshit and that's what made him scared. | ||
| He is actually justifying these murders. | ||
| He's absolutely justifying the murders. | ||
| He's saying that of course he should be doing this because Obama's coming for your gun. | ||
| He's mad that everybody is connecting him to it because of the optics problem of that. | ||
| But at the same time, of course he should be shooting those people. | ||
| Obama's coming for your guns! | ||
| Now, in his next clip, he minimizes it for exactly the other reason that you would expect, which is his white nationalist tendencies. | ||
| Now, you notice, every couple days, I read in some regional newspaper about an illegal alien killing a cop or cops. | ||
| And it barely gets any news coverage. | ||
| They want to play that down. | ||
| Real quick, I need to stop. | ||
| Here, because I listen to all of his shows. | ||
| Uh-huh. | ||
| And he doesn't bring up illegal immigrants killing. | ||
| I hate that I keep saying illegal immigrants just because he keeps saying it. | ||
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Right. | |
| Undocumented immigrants. | ||
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Right. | |
| Like, people aren't illegal. | ||
| No, it's not possible. | ||
| That's where our principles are. | ||
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Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. | |
| But, like, he's presenting the idea that he covers these stories frequently of undocumented immigrants killing cops and it just doesn't get media traction. | ||
| He doesn't. | ||
| Like... | ||
| He's giving himself some sort of backstory of every other day I talk about an immigrant killing a cop and no one cares. | ||
| And that's not true. | ||
| He's making himself sound even worse than he is in this case. | ||
| Yeah, come on. | ||
| He's fine. | ||
| Because they don't want to get the police lobbies upset about the open borders. | ||
| Sure. | ||
| We sent reporters out to California where the tent cities are. | ||
| They come in and take people's children. | ||
| They take their Winnebago's if the insurance is out. | ||
| But they leave the illegal aliens alone because they know they're above the law and the judges are going to let them go. | ||
| Point of order, Rob Dew in his final report about that said that he didn't see any. | ||
| Undocumented immigrants, I mean Mexicans, at that camp. | ||
| You know why? | ||
| Alex is just talking shit there, even based on what Rob Dew said. | ||
| Because even Rob Dew knows that you've got to leave those immigrants alone, Dan. | ||
| They're above the law. | ||
| Hey, teacher, leave those immigrants alone. | ||
| So see, citizens are way down the totem pole, and cops are even below illegals. | ||
| When cops get killed by illegals, they play it down because they don't want to make a big propaganda coup out of it because they don't want to demonize the illegal aliens. | ||
| But, oh, it's big national news that this guy's reading habits and what he was reading. | ||
| So he's real defensive about this because he does kind of, on some level, whether it's conscious or not, realizes that... | ||
| he's a propaganda outlet that is doing exactly what he insists everyone else is doing and that this is one of the unfortunate consequences of that this Yep. | ||
| Yep. | ||
| By virtue of just some sort of chemical imbalance or maybe some trauma they've experienced, they're not able to integrate information correctly or whatever, and will end up hurting people because of the fears that you create. | ||
| Now, in the same way that you make a shoddy seatbelt or something like that, and you know 100,000 people will die, but 6 million won't, or something like that. | ||
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Right, right, right. | |
| These companies do that math and whatever. | ||
| Alex, I think, does the same thing, which is like... | ||
| This rhetoric is super dangerous, and a bunch of people are going to hurt other people, but the rest of them that don't are going to give me money. | ||
| And I'm going to have to just make peace with that. | ||
| I think that's what he has to do, and I think that's what we're seeing expressed here. | ||
| It's more like a company that is setting aside money for the legal funds for the people that they're killing, as opposed to fixing the problem. | ||
| They're doing that math of like... | ||
| Well, it costs us this much to settle a massive lawsuit where we killed a thousand people as opposed to it costs us this much to actually not kill a thousand people. | ||
| And it's cheaper to say, yeah, we killed you, but that's fine. | ||
| And as a corollary, the same thing is true of Alex. | ||
| It's more profitable to run that risk and then deny whenever these instances happen. | ||
| They'll be like, I had nothing to do with that. | ||
| He's the ExxonMobil of shit propaganda. | ||
| He might as well be. | ||
| Or Pinto. | ||
| Isn't that the one that blew up? | ||
| The Pinto blew up, yeah. | ||
| A lot of cars have blown up over the years. | ||
| That is true. | ||
| So, we have one more clip from the fifth. | ||
| Because it's mostly a no man's life. | ||
| It is not a good show. | ||
| He's defensive as shit for most of it. | ||
| And honestly, this is one of the weird instances of like... | ||
| You know, I'm watching these... | ||
| I'm listening, watching these episodes, and I'm taking notes. | ||
| And this is one of the only times... | ||
| If you go and look at my notebooks, it's like... | ||
| There's an hour gap between notes. | ||
| It's just so boring. | ||
| That's not good. | ||
| Yeah, not good. | ||
| But then Alex starts taking calls, and he gets probably the most depressing fucking call I've ever heard on his show. | ||
| Let's talk to Mark in New York. | ||
| Mark, welcome. | ||
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Alex, how you doing? | |
| I just want to thank you. | ||
| I picked up a short wave. | ||
| That's how I ran into you. | ||
| And then I picked up the Obama deception and I cried most of the way through it. | ||
| But when I saw your face, I saw two things, Alex. | ||
| I saw a man. | ||
| You're a man's man. | ||
| And then I saw a father. | ||
| And I can tell you, all these Sean Hannity's and everybody else, I don't know what they think when they look in their mirror at night before they put their kids to bed. | ||
| But at least Alex Jones can say he's not only a man, he's also a father. | ||
| Oh, God. | ||
| Oh, God. | ||
| That's so sad. | ||
| I don't know how to emotionally connect with any of that. | ||
| That makes me so sad. | ||
| The first words that he said made me build up this massive emotional wall of like, nope, uh-uh. | ||
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Wait, wait. | |
| You cried during the Obama deception? | ||
| I don't care. | ||
|
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No, no, no. | |
| Get out of here. | ||
| Get out of here. | ||
| What were you crying about? | ||
| And why is your first thought that he's a father? | ||
| No, no, no, no, dude. | ||
| You gotta call your dad and work some shit out. | ||
| Or you gotta, like... | ||
| Deal with the fact that your ex-wife has your kids? | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| It's like, there's something there that's really fucked up. | ||
| That dude's backstory is not one I want to be involved in. | ||
| And he talks more, and Alex is like, oh, that's so great, and I love the kids. | ||
| I gotta hang this up. | ||
| I gotta hang this up. | ||
| No, he keeps the call going, and actually, the guy ends up saying exactly the same thing over again. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| Because the call kind of gets to a point where it's not making much sense, and he sort of... | ||
| It started out not making much sense. | ||
| That's true. | ||
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Yeah. | |
| But then he resets. | ||
| He does like... | ||
| You know, I saw your film and I just cried through it and I thought, there's a man and a fox. | ||
| Like, he says the same thing over again. | ||
| I'm like, it's just indicative of trouble. | ||
| What is your life, dude? | ||
| I want a documentary about that, not Obama. | ||
| No, fuck yeah. | ||
| Alex, shift your second documentary that you're making. | ||
| I think it'd be more fun to see if Mark is trying to take anybody's guns. | ||
| That'd be great. | ||
| Man, that idea of... | ||
| Okay, so... | ||
| We watched the Obama Deception, didn't we? | ||
| Sure did. | ||
| I watched it like four times. | ||
| Yeah, yeah, yeah. | ||
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What would make you cry? | |
| Also, consistently. | ||
| Because he said he cried all the way through it, so that means multiple things. | ||
| Because it's not a focused documentary. | ||
| No. | ||
| By any stretch. | ||
| No. | ||
| So he's crying on new stuff all the time. | ||
| I can't imagine that being your response to it. | ||
| No. | ||
| I could understand if someone was like, I watched your documentary and through it I was furious. | ||
| Or afraid. | ||
| Yeah, yeah, yeah. | ||
| I was driven to action. | ||
| I decided to stand up. | ||
| Or something like that. | ||
| I would understand that, but crying through it is crazy. | ||
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He just loves this country so goddamn much, Dan. | |
| I mean, it must be that. | ||
| And he's watching it fall to black people! | ||
| It must be something like that. | ||
| That response must be close to it. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| I don't know. | ||
| You responded weirdly when I told you that I cried through a lot of review. | ||
| Andy Daly's review. | ||
| Did I respond weirdly? | ||
| Yeah, you seem to think that was a little bit weird. | ||
| I don't think... | ||
| I mean, I guess in retrospect now, I disagree with my whatever awkward feelings that you experienced. | ||
| Because it's an incredibly tragic show. | ||
| Yeah, there's a tragedy to it, and you connect so much with what could be of the character of Forrest McNeil. | ||
| Right. | ||
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You see the mistake. | |
| Maybe there's something like that that triggers... | ||
| Emotion, like a tearful emotion. | ||
| It's fucked up, though. | ||
| You know what's crazy? | ||
| It does kind of seem like, now that you bring it up, there is a little bit of a parallel between Andy Daly and Review and Alex Jones' show. | ||
| I mean, the rigidity of their worldviews are certainly similar. | ||
| The psychopathy, the willingness to destroy all personal relationships and service of the show. | ||
| The image of, like... | ||
| There being a point where they could have been saved. | ||
| Many times. | ||
| Like, that sort of idea of, like, if only you hadn't gotten a divorce for the show, maybe your life would have been completely different. | ||
| Same with Alex. | ||
| It's like, maybe if you hadn't joined Trump, maybe if you hadn't gotten involved with the Oath Keepers, whatever. | ||
| And there are so many, like, second chances to mitigate the damage. | ||
| Like, there's a never-ending cycle of, like, okay, yeah, you fucked that up, but if you took this chance, then you know what? | ||
| Yeah, you're still divorced, but look at how much better everything is. | ||
| Okay, no, you didn't do that. | ||
| Alright, so if you'd have stopped with the Sandy Hook thing, see, you could have changed things, you could have gone in a different way. | ||
| If you'd never met Steve Pochett. | ||
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Yeah. | |
| All of these, yeah, it's kind of, Alex is kind of like a less emotionally interesting, dumber version of the review. | ||
| Yeah, yeah, yeah. | ||
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Okay. | |
| But as equal a psychopath. | ||
| Yeah, yeah, it seems that way. | ||
| I mean, Alex does dress up, you know, like... | ||
| Anyway, I wonder how many pancakes he's eaten. | ||
| So that's the end of the fifth. | ||
| That's all we're going to cover there. | ||
| And we move on to the sixth. | ||
| And this, my friend, is what I live for. | ||
| This, to me, is exactly why we play the game. | ||
| Okay. | ||
| There are days when, you know, we find like, oh, this is where the MIAC report stuff comes from. | ||
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Right, right, right, right. | |
| That's very exciting for me. | ||
| This is equally exciting. | ||
| And you should kind of know why, or you should have a sense of why, but I'll spell it out for you. | ||
| You remember that fishing trip Alex had to cancel? | ||
| Okay. | ||
| Spoiler alert, he didn't cancel it. | ||
| Wait, what? | ||
| He didn't cancel that trip. | ||
| Of course not. | ||
| And I'm here to say maybe he should have. | ||
| Oh, no. | ||
| Because he ran out of time to cover Glenn Beck's forthcoming debunking of FEMA camps. | ||
| Of course. | ||
| And so... | ||
| April 6th is a Monday. | ||
| That's the day that Glenn Beck is going to debunk the FEMA camps. | ||
| He's run out of time to create a video, so he has to do it live on air. | ||
| Oh, no! | ||
| Is he going to have somebody on to... | ||
| Oh, no. | ||
| All Alex. | ||
| This is all Alex. | ||
| But this is what I'm talking about. | ||
| The clock is running down. | ||
| Right. | ||
| Alex has the ball. | ||
| He's open. | ||
| You know, it's just on you to get the ball in the hole. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| You have been talking about FEMA camps your entire fucking career, or at least as much as I know about it. | ||
| You got all the documents. | ||
| You yell about it all the time. | ||
| All you have to do is coherently make your point. | ||
| And you have won the basketball game. | ||
| That is all you have to do, and I have no idea why I thought he might. | ||
| Yeah, there's no chance of that. | ||
| There's never a chance of that. | ||
| Spoiler alert, this is a tragic embarrassment. | ||
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Okay. | |
| But it's even worse than I thought it would. | ||
| Like, I thought it could be. | ||
| I thought there was a chance he would just sort of stumble and fall, or just he'd say vague stuff. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| And most of it, honestly, most of his quote-unquote debunking... | ||
| Debunking of the debunking. | ||
| Is him just rambling about nothing and saying stray things. | ||
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Of course. | |
| But I found a number of specific instances of things he makes, and they're all pathetic. | ||
| Oh no, he shouldn't have done specifics. | ||
| He has to. | ||
| He can't do specifics. | ||
| His back's to the wall. | ||
| Glenn Beck is about to put out this debunking. | ||
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Yeah, but you could just be a dick to Glenn Beck and call it a day. | |
| I imagine, I didn't see Glenn Beck's debunking, but when you have a fucking lunatic... | ||
| Who's debunking something that's lunatic. | ||
| I'm sure he was fucking stupid about it, too. | ||
| It was pretty stupid. | ||
| His debunking, we'll talk about that here a little bit further down the road. | ||
| But Glenn Beck's debunking of it was the softest, lamest thing I've ever seen in my life. | ||
| But we'll start the episode, and Alex is going to introduce what he is about to do today. | ||
| I was going to do my big FEMA camp expose last Friday, but I had some issues come up where I had to take off. | ||
| So Burma sat in, so I wasn't here. | ||
| And so I have to do the FEMA camp analysis today. | ||
| It's hours ahead of Glenn Beck's scheduled debunking. | ||
| So he has to do it today. | ||
| It's not like I'm going to do this. | ||
| He almost is using language that indicates I don't want to do this. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| I don't want to fucking do this. | ||
| Because I can't. | ||
| But I also know that if I don't, then everyone is going to cede ground to Glenn Beck. | ||
| Like, Glenn Beck is going to take some sort of a point on me, and I can't let that happen. | ||
| No, that's why you debunk. | ||
| After! | ||
| You can't debunk pre-debunking. | ||
| I'm pretty sure, actually, Alex does have moles in Glenn Beck's show. | ||
| Oh, you think so? | ||
| He makes a couple of really specific predictions about what Glenn Beck is going to say. | ||
| Right. | ||
| And I'm like, that is not... | ||
| There's no way that that's not, like, based on... | ||
| For knowledge. | ||
| And Glenn Beck's show isn't live. | ||
| His TV show isn't live. | ||
| It's probably already been taped by the time he's going live. | ||
| It was probably taped over the weekend or something like that. | ||
| Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, for sure. | ||
| So there's no way that, like, there isn't a possibility that a mole at Fox News has told him what Glenn Beck's debunking is. | ||
| Because, like, he does make, like, an absurdly specific prediction about him using... | ||
| A Amtrak station that had been shut down. | ||
| That's absurdly specific. | ||
| Well, it is one of the popular internet videos that went around talking about FEMA camps and stuff like that, but there are tons of them. | ||
| So for him to specifically latch onto that one so strongly leads me to believe that he had inside information. | ||
| Whatever. | ||
| See, now I want to write this. | ||
| I'm not sure of that. | ||
| If I'm going to write this story, I want Mark in New York to be our internecine bowl between the two. | ||
| Vicious camps of Alex Jones and Glenn Beck. | ||
| That would be awesome. | ||
| That's why he's lost his kid. | ||
| That's why he's sending over all of these things. | ||
| He's just like, Glenn Beck's not a man or a father. | ||
| Well, actually, he said Sean Hannity. | ||
| That's right, but he couldn't say Glenn Beck because Glenn Beck is his boss. | ||
| He'd give up the whole thing. | ||
| He'd give up the game. | ||
| So, in that first clip, I think we saw... | ||
| Poor Mark. | ||
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Poor Mark. | |
| Where are you, Mark? | ||
| Get well, Mark. | ||
| Happy New Year, Mark. | ||
| If you're listening, Happy New Year, Mark. | ||
| Mark, 2019's your year. | ||
| Mark's been dead for three years now. | ||
| Oh, no. | ||
| Oh, I know. | ||
| So the language that Alex was using there, I think, very clearly indicates a sense of, I have to do this. | ||
| And I think that carries through into this next clip where he starts immediately making excuses for why it's not going to be that great. | ||
| So they're in there right now. | ||
| Trying to pull up 200-plus news articles. | ||
| He's talking about his producers. | ||
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Yeah. | |
| Video clips in the folders in the order I just gave them to. | ||
| So they're in a race to get all this loaded on the computer, the articles, the documents, the Miami Herald from the 80s, the list goes on and on, video clips of FEMA camps, troops training to confiscate your guns. | ||
| And so we're racing to get all of this loaded in. | ||
| So he said a couple things that were kind of seemed like things, like Miami Herald article from the 80s. | ||
| Right. | ||
| Still not specific enough for me to act on. | ||
| He's still speaking so vaguely. | ||
| All you need to do is go through the database of every article that the Miami Herald published in the 80s. | ||
| Lord knows. | ||
| Lord knows I want to do that. | ||
| I do know that you do want to do that. | ||
| That's the scary thing about you. | ||
| So the other thing that we see there in that clip, first of all, I have to stress this because I am 100% sure this is the case. | ||
| He is like, look, they're doing a lot in there. | ||
| There's hundreds of things. | ||
| You have to, look, whatever we end up doing here. | ||
| Short notice. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| Short notice. | ||
| I had to go fishing. | ||
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Yeah, yeah, yeah. | |
| Or whatever. | ||
| And then the second thing is I think you see immediately a shifting of the goalposts because he starts talking about troops on the street. | ||
| And stuff like that. | ||
| Confiscating guns and stuff like that. | ||
| That's not the FEMA camp stuff. | ||
| I know that Alex likes to pretend that all of this is connected, but that's not the conversation that Glenn Beck is going to have. | ||
| It has nothing to do with the debunking. | ||
| This is a moving of the goalposts in order for him to artificially run up his score. | ||
| Because he's going to make it look like, I'm making points about gun grabbing, making points about troops doing exercises, all that stuff. | ||
| It's even more overwhelming. | ||
| My stuff about his FEMA camp stuff. | ||
| So it's ludicrous. | ||
| Important thing to remember is that the day before this, he was rightly pilloried for causing a man to murder people. | ||
| Or helping inspire. | ||
| For the troops on the streets coming to confiscate your guns narrative. | ||
| No, and I think that's actually something super important to keep in mind, that that was the day before. | ||
| There's a method to my madness. | ||
| There's a reason I kept that in. | ||
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What he ends up doing on this show is telling people to kill cops. | |
| You bet. | ||
| Of course. | ||
| Or at very least, like... | ||
| It is what inspired this guy to be in this position where he ends up killing these police officers. | ||
| Be afraid if the cops are coming to your house, they're coming to steal your guns, doesn't matter why they were called, and if they do come to steal your guns, well, you have to exercise your Second Amendment right, which I believe includes the words, you can also kill cops if they come. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| For the well-regulated militia or whatever it is. | ||
| So he gets distracted. | ||
| Alex gets distracted. | ||
| He's not going to get to his FEMA camp stuff right away. | ||
| He's going to complain about Robert Reich. | ||
| Labor Secretary Robert Reich. | ||
| He's the guy that said we have to make sure none of the stimulus money goes to white men. | ||
| That's an actual quote. | ||
| What a socialist, globalist minion brought up by the big central banks. | ||
| What a demonic twerp. | ||
| He didn't say that. | ||
| Even if he did say that, that still does not relate to socialism? | ||
| Not necessarily, no. | ||
| You can't just call him a socialist and then... | ||
| Alex isn't very smart. | ||
| That doesn't make sense. | ||
| That's a problem. | ||
| Alex isn't very smart. | ||
| I'm a socialist, but I'm not going to be like, let's use race targeting. | ||
| That's not socialist. | ||
| That's a... | ||
| What's it called? | ||
| I don't know. | ||
| American? | ||
| There you go. | ||
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Yeah. | |
| Robert Reich had a comment where he was talking about how with the stimulus money that's going out, we don't want it to all go to white construction workers. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| That was it. | ||
| He was talking about how there needs to be, you know, equal distribution of it and you want to see it go into all sorts of communities, not just white construction workers. | ||
| Oh, he didn't come out and say, this money is all reparations, baby! | ||
| Kill whitey! | ||
| No, he didn't say that. | ||
| He didn't black sheep it? | ||
| None for you, Whitey! | ||
| No, it's absurd. | ||
| And Alex is like, that's a quote. | ||
| That can't be a quote. | ||
| He said quote. | ||
| Literally no one said that. | ||
| He said quote. | ||
| No one said that. | ||
| Look, I would love to say it, but I still wouldn't say it. | ||
| No. | ||
| Especially not if I'm in the government. | ||
| Hell no. | ||
| The only reason anybody would say it is to misquote somebody in order to make it seem like whites are much more oppressed than they are. | ||
| Right. | ||
| Which is the second aspect of what he's doing. | ||
| Or if they were going for some sort of ghoulish overkill, like advocating for white genocide. | ||
| Something along those lines. | ||
| That's when that might be said in a very ironic manner. | ||
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Mm-hmm. | |
| Mm-hmm. | ||
| Anyways. | ||
| Just so you know, our donations for next year all go to non-white people. | ||
| Right. | ||
| I can't have any of it. | ||
| You don't get any of it. | ||
| Too bad you're a white man. | ||
| Ah, shit. | ||
| So, in this next clip, Alex, you already sussed out this idea that he's doing the exact same thing that has led to this guy in Pittsburgh killing three cops. | ||
| He doubles down on it. | ||
| Barack Obama is on record as a state senator and in the U.S. Senate voting for A total assault weapons ban. | ||
| Anything semi-automatic. | ||
| He lobbied and argued for a complete gun ban when he was a state senator in Illinois. | ||
| His attorney general last year filed on behalf of the Justice Department when he was just a former deputy attorney general. | ||
| He wasn't. | ||
| The briefing you can read on the government's behalf At the Supreme Court on the D.C. gun ban saying no citizen should be allowed to even own a single-shot shotgun or handgun. | ||
| No firearms, period. | ||
| Only police and military. | ||
| You can go read that right now. | ||
| It's in the Supreme Court briefing. | ||
| It's on the Supreme Court website. | ||
| Dan, did you read it? | ||
| I didn't read all of it, but I read enough to know what the reality was. | ||
| This just goes back to the amicus brief that he signed in terms of DC vs. | ||
| Heller. | ||
| The issue is that he was a deputy, Eric Holder was a deputy attorney general until 2001, but he wasn't... | ||
| At the time that DC vs. | ||
| Heller was going on. | ||
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Oh yeah? | |
| Like the period of time that he... | ||
| So Alex can't even get that shit fucking right? | ||
| No, no. | ||
| At the time that DC vs. | ||
| Heller was going on, he was working in private practice. | ||
| And he signed this amicus brief and joined in on it because the issue was that he's from DC and there was a handgun ban in DC that he wanted to be upholded. | ||
| He wanted that to be upheld. | ||
| Yeah, because it's a good idea. | ||
| Yeah, absolutely. | ||
| And so he joined in on that. | ||
| He wasn't a deputy attorney general at the time at all. | ||
| Alex is mixing all this timeline up in order to create the perception of X, Y, or Z. They're all coming to take your guns. | ||
| It's all hot bullshit. | ||
| But the reason that he's doing all of this stuff is still about that shooting. | ||
| He's still very defensive about it, as he makes clear in this next clip. | ||
| Okay, so... | ||
| Two people have been chosen out of this tragedy to be demonized, two people mainly, myself and Glenn Beck, by Media Matters, run by Mr. Brock, a former neocon, by Raw Story, and by, of course, the Pittsburgh Post-Gazette. | ||
| That's a huge clip, in my mind. | ||
| It might not seem that way to most people. | ||
| But, in the same way that rage-filled Achilles is an epithet that runs through the Iliad, every time, or almost every time, Achilles is brought up, the epithet rage-filled Achilles... | ||
| It's there. | ||
| It's a compound noun, basically. | ||
| He's an angry dude. | ||
| I read it. | ||
| But most of the characters in the Iliad have epithets along with them. | ||
| It's a way of characterizing their characters. | ||
| Alex Jones uses that a lot. | ||
| In modern times, whenever he talks about media matters... | ||
| He says, Soros run Media Matters. | ||
| Soros funded Media Matters. | ||
| And now in 2009, he says, the Brock run. | ||
| Run by David Brock, who used to be a neocon. | ||
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Yeah. | |
| Which he was. | ||
| And also, knows Larry Nichols from those days. | ||
| You want to ask Nichols about that shit? | ||
| I kind of do. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| So the issue for me is that he's bringing up Media Matters without bringing up Soros, which is huge. | ||
| The idea that he had been... | ||
| Like, starting to bring up Soros a little bit. | ||
| Right. | ||
| But still not in a demon, big bad guy kind of way. | ||
| It makes me think that we might have read a little bit more into that than there was. | ||
| This indicates to me that he has no targeting of Soros yet at this point. | ||
| Because otherwise he would have thrown that in. | ||
| You have to throw in Soros-run Media Matters. | ||
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| Because I assume he owned Media Matters at this time as well. | ||
| He didn't own anything. | ||
| He funded things. | ||
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| Okay. | ||
| All right. | ||
| He supported... | ||
| The Soros-funded media matters. | ||
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But not all of the funding. | |
| No, no, I know. | ||
| I get that. | ||
| I'm doing this argument half for fun. | ||
| You're the devil. | ||
| Right. | ||
| So that's super interesting to me. | ||
| And no one's blaming Alex for the shooting, just the worldview that he perpetuates. | ||
| Oh, no. | ||
| Come on. | ||
| So we've already heard him blame Obama and Eric Holder for the shooting. | ||
| But in this next clip, he does something that I think is even, like... | ||
| It should be beyond him, and that is, he blames the police for it. | ||
| Oh, I thought it was Mr. Rogers that he was going to go for at this point. | ||
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Mr. Rogers, he took a sweater off and killed three cops. | |
| It is not a good day in your neighborhood, Mr. Rogers. | ||
| But what the media and the police are doing is, they're combing over all these dozens of mass shootings, and they're looking for people who have Ron Paul material, or Glenn Beck material, or Alex Jones material. | ||
| It's not hard. | ||
| So they can try to bolster their whole MIAC view of the world, which, by the way, is going to get a lot of cops killed. | ||
| If the police implement this MIAC view, we get calls every day of people pulled over for Ron Paul stickers, the cops are pulling guns out on them. | ||
| No, you don't. | ||
| That then makes the public scared of the cops and paranoid, and then they're going to react like this guy did to the police and military. | ||
| Oh, my God. | ||
| Did you just understand black people in America? | ||
| And that's the most important thing I can say about all of this. | ||
| It's the most important thing he can say about it. | ||
| I don't want to go too far down that road, but what you just said is a very interesting point. | ||
| I don't want to go too far down that road. | ||
| No, I think we all got it. | ||
| I think we can all take the two steps further down that road to be like... | ||
| You're still stupid. | ||
| But what Alex is advocating there, or what he's putting forth, is, I guess, a position that the police done did this to themselves. | ||
| Of course they did! | ||
| They shouldn't have been such assholes. | ||
| They started working with Obama! | ||
| They got that MIAC worldview going. | ||
| The MIAC worldview! | ||
| Which I hope is something that he keeps talking about. | ||
| I hope that's a band that Rob Dew started. | ||
| Oh, dude, in my research about all these other weird things, I've... | ||
| I found that there is an improv quartet, musical quartet, in Austin named Art Acevedo. | ||
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| Which is Alex Jones' guest and former Austin police chief, Art Acevedo. | ||
| I thought that was really funny. | ||
| And I wish there was a band called the Mayak Mindset. | ||
| I know, that'd be great. | ||
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Mayak Worldview. | |
| God damn it, that'd be great. | ||
| If you are an improv quartet out there, jazz fusion quartet or whatever, Mayak Worldview. | ||
| If you are the Pentatonix, change your name to Mayak Worldview because you're garbage. | ||
| In this case, though, specifically, those cops were responding to a domestic disturbance that this guy was responsible for. | ||
| He was the one who was the antagonist. | ||
| He was the person who was wrong. | ||
| There's no evidence that they did anything wrong in this situation to cause this shooting to happen. | ||
| So for Alex to be using this sort of rhetoric... | ||
| It legitimately is to blame the victim of murder for the actions of the murderer. | ||
| Well, he's never done that before. | ||
| But that's not... | ||
| I understand. | ||
| It's not... | ||
| It's not the first time, but that's not cool, man. | ||
| No. | ||
| I don't want to be here defending cops or anything like that, but I'm defending them as murder victims. | ||
| I'm defending murder victims, yeah. | ||
| Their occupation has nothing to do with us defending them. | ||
| Look, as far as anti-cop goes, I'm way on your team, but I'm still not like, let's murder indiscriminately. | ||
| If they hadn't showed up there and what led to their deaths. | ||
| Like, if the mom hadn't have called the police, almost certainly he would have beat her up or killed her. | ||
| Like, that is... | ||
| I know we can't, like, fantasy book, if this, then that's history or whatever, but you look at this person with this track record with what he was doing at the time, there's a really good chance he would have caused terrible harm to his mother. | ||
| And so she did the thing to protect herself that she could, and it led to three people's deaths. | ||
| For sure! | ||
| It's a horrible thing, and the only person to blame is that Richard, the guy who did it. | ||
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| The further conversation is the places where he was getting his information that led him to... | ||
| Oh, you could also blame all women for sometimes being mean to him? | ||
| See, now this is what I was hoping to get to. | ||
| It's not even the cop's fault. | ||
| It's women for sometimes being mean. | ||
| It's taken us two years, but finally we're here. | ||
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We've been beating around the bush for a really long time. | |
| It's time to do it. | ||
| Women, you gotta stop being a little bit mean to guys. | ||
| Otherwise, we're still gonna murder people. | ||
| It's on you, really. | ||
| God, that sounds too close to the real argument that these guys make. | ||
| Yeah, it's unfortunate. | ||
| I mean, we're joking around, but some people actually do believe that, which is super fucked up. | ||
| Man, if we just had a gun ban on, like... | ||
| People who have been suspected of domestic violence or have had the cops called on them for domestic violence disputes, murders would go way, way down. | ||
| Yeah, if you look at the... | ||
| They really would. | ||
| I mean, I poured over the last two years' mass shooting statistics not too long ago, and it's really horrifying because the numbers don't tell stories, but if you look at them, there are websites you can go to that keep spreadsheets of each of the shootings, and you can find the local news reports about each of them. | ||
| And if you go to them and you hear the stories of what they are, you're 100% right. | ||
| Like, almost all of the people... | ||
| Certainly it's not all of them, but it's a drastic majority of them are people who have committed acts of domestic violence or had red flags in that area before. | ||
| If Alex Jones is interested in preserving the right to own guns, the Second Amendment, all that, and is interested in cutting down unnecessary gun murders, That is the one thing that he should be in favor of, and he fucking never talks about it. | ||
| And it shows what his priorities are. | ||
| He doesn't give a shit. | ||
| And that really shouldn't even... | ||
| Like, even for the NRA or anything like that, that should not be a controversy. | ||
| Like, if you're somebody who's like... | ||
| No, because the NRA is really smart in terms of being a lobbying group, because they don't cede an inch. | ||
| Right. | ||
| Which is... | ||
| They are really smart as far as that goes. | ||
| You gotta give them credit for being monsters through and through. | ||
| And because they haven't given an inch... | ||
| There's nothing. | ||
| There's no real, like, meaningful legislation about gun control. | ||
| We just recently got acceptance that maybe we shouldn't have bump stocks around. | ||
| And it's like, that shouldn't have been... | ||
| Bumpstock shouldn't have existed in the first place. | ||
| But even if you read the articles about that bumpstock ban, most of the actual gun salespeople that they were talking to were like, we don't really sell many of these anyway. | ||
| They're horrible for accuracy. | ||
| It's almost a pointless product. | ||
| It's really almost like their existence is purely to murder. | ||
| Indiscriminately. | ||
| The banning is a symbolic gun control thing more than it is any kind of meaningful one. | ||
| Right, right. | ||
| Anyway, we're getting too far off track here. | ||
| The point is that Alex Jones doesn't give a shit. | ||
| He does not give a shit. | ||
| He does not give a fuck. | ||
| And if he did, there would be other things that he would suggest as possible solutions. | ||
| Because he's just sort of even denying that there is a problem. | ||
| He's denying the reality of this Pittsburgh shooting situation at all. | ||
| And I know that part of that is that he wants to deny the fact that this guy was inspired by his worldview. | ||
| Right. | ||
| You add hating Jews in there and just like change a few words. | ||
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| But he is basically like a prototypical info warrior. | ||
| And Alex wants nothing to do with that, especially because he went fucking fishing with his kids. | ||
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Right. | |
| And he put off this FEMA camp debunking. | ||
| And it's really fucking driving him nuts. | ||
| So now we're about 50 minutes into the episode. | ||
| Alex gets into the debunking. | ||
| He has Max Keiser coming on for the last hour of the show. | ||
| So he really only has a good hour and a half to do his debunking, which he's already complained there's too much information. | ||
| I don't know how I'm going to do this. | ||
| Too much information. | ||
| I'll tell you how. | ||
| I'm going to ramble about... | ||
| By avoiding it for as long as possible. | ||
| I'm going to ramble about nothing for the first 50 minutes of the show and talk to Max Kaiser about his fake currency for the last hour of the show. | ||
| How's MaxCoin going now? | ||
| Let's do it good. | ||
| Okay. | ||
| So here is Alex sort of dipping his toe into talking about how wrong Glenn Beck is about FEMA camps. | ||
| They've also got over 100 news articles that they're getting in order so that as I go over them on air, they can pull them up on screen. | ||
| Because I can show the Army's own website where they admit Americans are on 24 camps working as slave labor. | ||
| Can you? | ||
| People won't believe it. | ||
| So it's best to show the website, show it on screen. | ||
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Go for it. | |
| I hope that folks will go check it out. | ||
| Well, don't let me stop you. | ||
| So that's coming up in about 25 minutes. | ||
| When I said he starts us 50 minutes in, that's here. | ||
| He actually starts the debunking an hour and 20 minutes into the broadcast. | ||
| But hold on. | ||
| And why am I doing that? | ||
| Glenn Beck said a month ago he was going to expose the FEMA camps and look like they were real. | ||
| And I said, he's doing that to get your confidence. | ||
| He's an establishment hack. | ||
| He's been reading federal talking points right out of the ADL, saying arrest Ron Paul supporters, they're dangerous. | ||
| Then he flip-flopped to get our confidence, and I said, that's what it was. | ||
| Watch, he's going to come out and debunk the FEMA camps. | ||
| Then he announced a week and a half ago that he's going to do it tonight. | ||
| Now, he may cancel that again. | ||
| He's been endlessly hyping this. | ||
| But regardless, we're going to expose him. | ||
| Now understand, I'm going to show you about 10% of the evidence. | ||
| With time constraints, I can only show you a few dozen media clips and news articles and go over them during the time we have. | ||
| Point of order. | ||
| Could have had a production meeting. | ||
| Alex Jones has unlimited time. | ||
| No one is controlling anything he does in terms of, like, he had his Sunday show. | ||
| Some of that could have covered the material. | ||
| No. | ||
| He could have done the first hour of this show. | ||
| Can't do it. | ||
| He could bump Max Keiser. | ||
| It doesn't fucking matter. | ||
| Max Keiser would still come next week or whatever. | ||
| No, come on. | ||
| Max Keiser, he's a hot commodity. | ||
| Everybody's wondering how Max Coin's doing. | ||
| Keiser's happy to be there. | ||
| That's irrelevant. | ||
| Alex has infinite time. | ||
| And one of the reasons he has infinite time is there's something that he does a bunch at this period of his career. | ||
| He goes into overdrive. | ||
| He has this term, overdrive. | ||
| I do not know what that means. | ||
| He does it very frequently. | ||
| And that is when his show, the feeds for the radio, run out, he broadcasts on his own website. | ||
| He has the infrastructure in place. | ||
| Oh, okay. | ||
| Now I get you. | ||
| He's like, I'm going to go into Overdrive to take a few more calls. | ||
| Right. | ||
| I'm going to do another hour. | ||
| I know we're not broadcast on the radio anymore, but we're going to go on my own website. | ||
| I'm going to do this live. | ||
| You can still call in. | ||
| The show's still going. | ||
| Yep. | ||
| PrisonPlanet.tv members. | ||
| All that. | ||
| He has unlimited time. | ||
| He could sit there and get every piece of information that he wants to get out there. | ||
| He's preemptively making excuses for how shitty this is going to be by saying, I only have time to get into like 10%. | ||
| Now, I want to say this very fucking clearly. | ||
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| If you only have time to get into 10%, you better get into the best 10%. | ||
| I don't understand why. | ||
| I'm going to say that if Alex Jones, something in that other 90% proves his case, and he chose to cover this 10%, go fuck yourself. | ||
| Alright, so as a comedian, I can do an hour, which is 60 minutes. | ||
| And if I'm going to do 10% of that, 6 minutes, perhaps a showcase set. | ||
| I am just going to haphazardly choose what material I do. | ||
| Randomly. | ||
| I'm not going to... | ||
| I don't have time to get into the good stuff, Dan. | ||
| If you want to hear my better material, go somewhere else. | ||
| But there is nowhere else to go. | ||
| This is Alex Jones doing his big marquee piece about the FEMA camps. | ||
| This is it. | ||
| And if he did... | ||
| Look, he does have overdrive. | ||
| He can go on his own show. | ||
| Also, he has an hour here. | ||
| How viral would it go if everybody started talking about how Alex did ten straight hours on this FEMA game? | ||
| Laid out all the documents, got into the weeds. | ||
| Yeah, yeah, yeah. | ||
| The policy implications. | ||
| He didn't even do it on his own show. | ||
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He named names. | |
| He moved it, yeah. | ||
| It would be... | ||
| Devastating and revolutionary. | ||
| Oh, it would be! | ||
| If any of it was real. | ||
| Unfortunately, none of it is. | ||
| Yeah, that's a problem for him. | ||
| So, 25 minutes after that clip where he's shitting on Glenn Beck and making excuses for how bad this is going to be, Alex finally gets to the big FEMA camp debunking. | ||
| Here we go. | ||
| And this starts out bad. | ||
| For the next hour and 30 minutes, I am going to cover the reality of FEMA camps in the United States. | ||
| How it's controlled by the National Security Council, who in turn controls FEMA. | ||
| Okay, I already got to stop you. | ||
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How does the NSC control FEMA, Dan? | |
| So this might seem kind of true on like a technicality because FEMA is under the umbrella of the Department of Homeland Security. | ||
| If you're saying that it's run by the National Security Council, that is a bit of a stretch. | ||
| There are a ton of organizations that fall under the heading of the National Security Department because their role is obviously, you know, it involves national security. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| There's a ton of departments like Citizens Immigration Services, the Coast Guard, Customs Enforcement. | ||
| All of that is under the heading of the Department of National Security. | ||
| Okay. | ||
| But that's not even considered to be an essential player in the council. | ||
| All right. | ||
| The council is made up of statutory members like the president, vice president, secretary of state, defense, energy, and the treasury. | ||
| The national intelligence advisor and the chairman of the Joint Chiefs of Staff are regular attendees but not statutory members. | ||
| The Department of National Security is headed by... | ||
| That's because they're under 16. The Department of National Security is headed by the Secretary of Homeland Security, who is not a statutory member of the National Security Council, and thus is not required to attend their meetings. | ||
| These are two different things that sound the same. | ||
| They sound so similar. | ||
| Oh, they sound the same. | ||
| They sound similar. | ||
| They are not the same thing. | ||
| So essentially, we're just having a your, your, your argument with Alex right now. | ||
| This is how he starts his debunking, by saying that FEMA is controlled by the National Security Council. | ||
| It's not. | ||
| It's in the National... | ||
| Department of National Security, which are similar sounding, but not the same thing. | ||
| It's crazy. | ||
| It is crazy that he doesn't understand the difference between those two things. | ||
| I can now see why you were so excited about this episode. | ||
| That, to me, is like, go fuck yourself. | ||
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| You just had your Michael Jordan slam dunk moment, and it's only going to get worse from here, I imagine. | ||
| That would be like if the shot on Elo... | ||
| Scored on the opposite rim. | ||
| He accidentally scored for the Cavs. | ||
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| So, like, this beginning part there, that's really bad, first of all. | ||
| But then that sentence continues even more poorly. | ||
| By the National Security Council, who in turn controls FEMA, Presidential Decision Directive 51 is in place. | ||
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Basically declaring the American people slaves to the federal government and saying that Congress and the courts are ceremonial under the president. | |
| So they've used continuity of government as a way to basically set up a dictatorship So he's talking about the PDD-51, the Presidential Decision Directive 51. He's using that to argue, I've heard him argue this before, that that somehow put FEMA under the National Security Council and that it makes everyone slaves and makes Congress ceremonial. | ||
| Of course. | ||
| And the judiciary, I believe he said. | ||
| None of this is true. | ||
| FEMA was put into the Department of Homeland Security just when the Department of Homeland Security was created, in late 2002. | ||
| Before that, the agency's responsibilities were handled by HUD in the 70s, and then sort of existed as a solitary, independent agency before that. | ||
| And now they're run by Chuds. | ||
| Chuds! | ||
| Cannibalistic humanoid underground dwellers, Dan. | ||
| PDD-51, or the Presidential Decision Directive 51, also known as the National Security and Homeland Security Presidential Directive, it wasn't issued by George Bush until May 4, 2007, and has literally nothing to do with FEMA. | ||
| It has to do with continuity plans in the case of a catastrophic emergency, and largely deals with the National Security Council, which again is very different from the Department of Homeland Security. | ||
| They have similar sounding names, so I understand how Alex could make this simple mistake. | ||
| Sure. | ||
| But it's a huge mistake. | ||
| I didn't even notice it. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| It just rolls off the tongue the right way, and you're like, oh, that's probably what he's talking about. | ||
| Let's move on. | ||
| It's fascinating to me how infinite he thinks Obama's power is. | ||
| In retrospect, you know... | ||
| By virtue of the way that we're living now with Trump as president, shouldn't he have to retract all of his Obama's... | ||
| He should retract a ton. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| But also, I want to be clear, he's not making the argument that a lot of this is Obama. | ||
| It has to do with previous presidents and stuff like that. | ||
| The groundwork that has led to FEMA camps. | ||
| Right. | ||
| And by the way, all of that's stupid, too. | ||
| Yes. | ||
| So, the idea that Homeland Security... | ||
| I'm sorry. | ||
| The idea that we're all slaves and Congress is ceremonial now because of PDD-51. | ||
| Of course. | ||
| Shockingly, none of that's true either. | ||
| The document specifically says in Section 2B that the goal is coming up with a framework for an enduring constitutional government defined as, quote, a cooperative effort among the executive, legislative, and judicial branches of the federal government, coordinated by the president as a matter of comedy with respect to the legislative and judicial branches and with proper respect for the constitutional separation of powers among the | ||
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branches, to preserve the constitutional framework under which the nation is governed and the capability of all three branches of government to execute constitutional responsibilities and provide for orderly succession, appropriate transition of leadership, and interoperability in support of the national essential functions during a catastrophic emergency. | |
| That clearly discusses maintaining the branches of government and separation of powers. | ||
| And what do you think the first thing listed is? | ||
| Quote, ensuring the continued functioning of our form of government under the Constitution, including the functioning of three separate branches of government. | ||
| In Section 9, they even say, quote, each branch of the federal government is responsible for its own continuity programs. | ||
| The way Alex is treating this story now is if I heard all of what you said, and then I was like, oh, he said comedy, and... | ||
| I forgot about the spelling. | ||
| Instead of comedy, he meant comedy. | ||
| So this whole thing is a joke, Dan. | ||
| That's how you know what they're really saying is when they write comedy, what they mean is comedy. | ||
| It's legitimately that level of misunderstanding and misinterpretation. | ||
| It's fucked up. | ||
| Yeah, that's stupid. | ||
| It's nuts. | ||
| So he's trying to say that the executive branch is absorbing all of this power and making the legislative and judicial subordinate to it. | ||
| I've read these... | ||
| Congress is ceremonial. | ||
| That's what he means by this. | ||
| When you hear here in the actual text, it's saying very seriously and very importantly, preserving these branches of government. | ||
| Preserving their separateness and our form of government under the Constitution is delineated. | ||
| It's laid out very specifically. | ||
| PDD-51 established a new position, the National Continuity Coordinator, who would coordinate with departments about their continuity planning. | ||
| This position was designated specifically to exist, quote, without exercising directive authority, meaning they can't make any rules. | ||
| It's a go-between. | ||
| Right. | ||
| It's a coordinator. | ||
| It's a go-between. | ||
| It's a guy who's like, hey. | ||
| Are you doing that? | ||
| Okay, cool. | ||
| How about you? | ||
| You doing that? | ||
| Okay, cool. | ||
| That way they don't have to get involved with each other's business because that, of course, would defeat the fucking point! | ||
| And in Section 9, like I said, they say, quote, each branch of the federal government is responsible for its own continuity programs. | ||
| It's not saying the executive branch is going to decide yours for you, but we are going to say you better have one. | ||
| Exactly. | ||
| That's what this document is doing. | ||
| It's not saying I'm going to dictate to you what... | ||
| Who cares? | ||
| Right. | ||
| If there's some sort of mastermind, some sort of Ozymandamus out there who's organizing a catastrophic-level event, we need to be prepared! | ||
| The document also lays out the responsibilities of the Secretary of Homeland Security in relation to the directive, and none of them are build FEMA camps to enslave the patriots. | ||
| Most of them are things like assess local readiness for response to a catastrophe and stuff like conduct readiness exercises. | ||
| Yeah, yeah. | ||
| But we all know what that means. | ||
| Code. | ||
| Taking your guns. | ||
| Also, spoiler alert, PDD-51 was really just an updating of PDD-67, which was issued by Bill Clinton on October 21st, 1998, which was itself just an updating of H.W. Bush's PDD-69 from June 2nd, 1992, which was itself an updating of National Security Directive 37 from April 18th, 1990, which itself was an updating of Reagan's NSD-55 from September 14th, 1982. | ||
| All I will say is you guys gotta get your fucking numbering right, because that did not work out right. | ||
| So wait, so presidential... | ||
| Every time there's a new president, the directives number resets. | ||
| Unlike with executive orders, there's a... | ||
| No, I don't like that. | ||
| I want continuity. | ||
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| We should be on PDD... | ||
| You need a coordinator. | ||
| We should be on PDD 1244 right now, Dan. | ||
| I don't disagree with you. | ||
| It does make things a little confusing, but all of this stuff is to say that there's a sense that we need to know what's going to happen when there's an emergency, because when that emergency happens, we don't have time to make a plan. | ||
| No, no, no, no. | ||
| The plan should be in place before you need it. | ||
| What are you saying? | ||
| You need to be prepared? | ||
| Yeah, I've read all these things and I've read the arguments that people like Alex and these patriots and stuff make. | ||
| I've assessed them to be nonsense because they don't take into account the idea that you do need to be ready. | ||
| Like that idea that like, hey, worst case scenario, someone sets off a bomb in Congress and 50 senators die. | ||
| Let's go with like 30 senators die just because you leave senators. | ||
| Yeah, sure, why not? | ||
| These directives that have been sent down since at least 1982 have been conveying a sense that we need a plan when something happens, even if that thing is super unlikely. | ||
| Because if that happens, we are fucked. | ||
| But that's what these guys fucking do. | ||
| That is their deal. | ||
| If you are preparing for something, they say... | ||
| You are fucking planning on doing it. | ||
| But Alex sells for preparing food. | ||
| Right. | ||
| But if you don't prepare for something, they say it's your fault that you weren't prepared. | ||
| That's the way that they fucking work. | ||
| They win either way. | ||
| They hate institutional preparedness, but they like the idea of you wasting money on food that'll go bad in your attic. | ||
| And then blaming you if you didn't use it right. | ||
| Or whatever it is. | ||
| See, this is what I'm saying. | ||
| The government didn't prepare. | ||
| Yeah, it's a lot of nonsense, and we're not even close into this. | ||
| We're, like, less than a minute in, and Alex has already misrepresented the idea that FEMA is under the National Security Council when it's the Department of National Security. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| And completely lied about the reality of PDD-51 and the history of it, what it means. | ||
| All that stuff. | ||
| So, we're in, like, deep waters here. | ||
| Alex is, he's out of his league. | ||
| This is going to be a disaster, and it's his topic. | ||
| Yeah, he should have spent less than an hour and a half on this. | ||
| Like, legitimately, he is the guy for this. | ||
| This is supposed to be his area of expertise. | ||
| Right. | ||
| And that is bad. | ||
| That's your first minute. | ||
| That's bad. | ||
| It's not good. | ||
| So, here's what happens right after that first minute, which makes me think it's worse than even I think. | ||
| I have made three police state films. | ||
| I have also written books and news articles on the subject. | ||
| And the problem is, when you cover FEMA camps, is there's so much evidence, so many congressional hearings, so many news articles, so many documents. | ||
| The problem is knowing where to start. | ||
| But I will start this presentation right now. | ||
| By simply going over the fact that Glenn Beck, a year and a half ago, said that Ron Paul supporters should be arrested and that the army should be... | ||
| Not good. | ||
| This is not good. | ||
| Not good. | ||
| Not good. | ||
| There's so much evidence. | ||
| There's an avalanche of evidence, Dan. | ||
| I don't even know where to start. | ||
| Where I will start, however, is bitching about this guy. | ||
| Glenn Beck sucks. | ||
| I am going to go out on a limb and say, Glenn Beck is a bitch! | ||
| Bad sign. | ||
| No, that's not good. | ||
| That means... | ||
| You got nothing. | ||
| I'll just give you my emotional experience of listening to this episode. | ||
| When I turned it on and he's like, I'm going to do my debunking of FEMA camps, I had a two-pronged response. | ||
| The first was excitement, because I'm like... | ||
| He's gotta come correct. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| So that'll at least give me something to dig into. | ||
| Which we know he won't. | ||
| But then the second was, oh god, this is gonna be exhausting. | ||
| I'm gonna have to look into so many things. | ||
| Which you didn't. | ||
| I kinda did. | ||
| There was a bit to look into, but it wasn't as hard as I expected it to be. | ||
| Like, I thought he'd be quoting Byzantine sources and stuff like that. | ||
| He's disappointing on both of your prongs. | ||
| Somewhat. | ||
| But then, when we go through the first hour of the show, and there's basically nothing about this, I'm like, Alex. | ||
| You are like me in college. | ||
| You didn't prepare for an exam. | ||
| And the night before, you're like, I'm going to do some studying. | ||
| I'm like, I kind of want to play some video games. | ||
| I'm just going to play some Donkey Kong Country. | ||
| We'll see what happens. | ||
| Now, he's living in that space of like, well, I didn't prepare for this. | ||
| So if it goes well, I'm a genius. | ||
| And if it doesn't go well, I didn't prepare. | ||
| But he is, but he's not presenting it that way. | ||
| Yeah, of course. | ||
| And he's wrong. | ||
| So when he starts up and he gets into that, like, FEMA is under the National Security Council, I'm like, no. | ||
| And I'm like, uh-oh. | ||
| I started to get really, like, worried. | ||
| And then as soon as he was like, where to start? | ||
| Glenn Beck sucks. | ||
| I'm like, you have nothing. | ||
| He's got nothing. | ||
| I was blown away. | ||
| I've been studying him for two years now. | ||
| And I was even shocked by how little he... | ||
| Recognize that this matters. | ||
| Like, this is a historical document. | ||
| The day Alex Jones had to talk about FEMA camps in a substantive and definitive way, and he's like... | ||
| Glenn Beck is a motherfucker. | ||
| Oh no, Alex! | ||
| I felt pity. | ||
| I felt real pity. | ||
| Did you? | ||
| I felt pity and fear. | ||
| Oh no! | ||
| I felt afraid for him. | ||
| Oh, you gotta not do that. | ||
| I felt really scared. | ||
| I'm like, how are you gonna do the next hour and a half? | ||
| If that's where you... | ||
| I know! | ||
| He should've... | ||
| He could've totally just like... | ||
| Pushed it back and pushed it back in the middle. | ||
| Like, oh shit! | ||
| I even wanted to get to your calls. | ||
| I had so much information that I wanted to lay out. | ||
| But you know what? | ||
| I just got so busy defending white people from murder. | ||
| So, I was worried. | ||
| I was very worried about his competence, I think, is what I'm looking for. | ||
| I was worried about his ability to actually land this and to fly it. | ||
| Like, I didn't think... | ||
| We're like an hour and 25 minutes into his show. | ||
| It's hard to believe. | ||
| Max Keiser's coming in at the three-hour mark. | ||
| So you've got a good hour and 25, hour 30 in there. | ||
| Maybe hour with commercials taken out? | ||
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Yeah, yeah, yeah. | |
| I was like, I don't know what you're going to talk about. | ||
| I don't know how you're going to do this. | ||
| What's he got, Dan? | ||
| So here's what he comes with first. | ||
| Back against the wall. | ||
| Here's what he comes with first. | ||
| Up on screen. | ||
| Our photocopies of the Miami Herald, and this goes back into the 1980s, when they had congressional hearings dealing with shadow government and martial law. | ||
| There's the headline, The Secret Government. | ||
| And it talks about secret summits, a plan to take over the government. | ||
| So this was that 80s Miami Herald article that he wants to talk about. | ||
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Yeah, yeah, yeah. | |
| The article in the Miami Herald is not about FEMA camps. | ||
| It was from 1987. | ||
| It was written by a guy named Alfonso Chardet. | ||
| And Alex isn't even reading the whole headline. | ||
| The whole headline is, quote, Reagan aides formed a secret government. | ||
| He couldn't even finish the headline. | ||
| It's about Oliver North and the Iran-Contra affair, which many of his guests and associates either were or pretend to have been involved in. | ||
| So I don't know what to do with that. | ||
| I mean, if that's what you want to start with, a misrepresented article about fucking Oliver North? | ||
| Okay. | ||
| How's Oliver North doing? | ||
| What's he up to these days? | ||
| I think he's running the NRA. | ||
| Oh, okay! | ||
| Well, I'm glad we solved that problem. | ||
| So I'm like, okay, that's not good. | ||
| I know that Oliver North did propose that Rex 84 plan, and some of that will come up. | ||
| We've talked about that in the past. | ||
| But where he goes after that is even softer. | ||
| Now, you want proof of martial law? | ||
| Proof of FEMA cams? | ||
| Here it is. | ||
| Go ahead and play it. | ||
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The only way they can pass this bill. | |
| is by creating and sustaining a panic atmosphere. | ||
| That atmosphere is not justified. | ||
| Many of us were told in private conversations that if we voted against this bill on Monday that the sky would fall, the market would drop two or three thousand points the first day, another couple thousand the second day, and a few members were even told That there would be martial law in America if we voted no. | ||
| So we've talked about this a bunch. | ||
| This was part of the... | ||
| It was in the Obama deception. | ||
| This was Brad Sherman, the House member. | ||
| And he actually appeared on Alex's show and clarified his comments that he made on the House floor when he said that this is just something that people were talking about. | ||
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It wasn't a real threat. | |
| So Alex is using that and like, ooh, that's not good either. | ||
| This is what you're coming with. | ||
| This is... | ||
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Fuck. | |
| Yeah. | ||
| Here's proof. | ||
| That's proof of FEMA camps? | ||
| Here's proof of FEMA camps. | ||
| A congressman said something that's maybe adjacent? | ||
| But it's like fear-mongering. | ||
| Sure, what Brad Sherman was talking about was this idea that if we didn't pass this bailout... | ||
| Severe consequences could come in terms of the economy falling apart. | ||
| That sort of thing. | ||
| Which was correct. | ||
| He talks about the idea that it is a bit sensationalist. | ||
| It's a game of telephone. | ||
| One guy says, stock market's going down 300. | ||
| The next person says 400. | ||
| 500. | ||
| Yeah, yeah, yeah. | ||
| But that's what he was expressing in that speech. | ||
| It's been very clear. | ||
| It was on Alex's own show when Brad Sherman explained that. | ||
| This is bad. | ||
| Alex knows that isn't proof of anything. | ||
| What's even weirder is that the very situation that he is citing Brad Sherman for being correct about is the situation that Alex is trying to force. | ||
| Like, he's trying to say everyone should be in a state of constant panic in order for these things to occur. | ||
| And so I'm going to create a state of constant panic in order to stop these things? | ||
| I guess. | ||
| So I actually fucked up. | ||
| When I was cutting these clips, I'd like to apologize for that. | ||
| I accept your apology. | ||
| Because at this point, Alex Jones brings up Army Regulation 210-35, which is the Civilian Inmate Labor Program. | ||
| So he brings that up as his sort of real serious piece of information. | ||
| And I apologize. | ||
| I wish I had the clip of it. | ||
| He's going to talk about it later so you can hear him talk about it. | ||
| But he starts talking about how this is meant to enslave everybody and all that stuff. | ||
| Who is not? | ||
| Army Regulation 210-35 was a plan from 2005 that the army put into place where they would take federal prisoners and put them to work on army bases. | ||
| Their reasoning for this was that it would be cheaper for them and it would give the inmates a source of meaningful work, in quotes. | ||
| So the military had a slave program? | ||
| As well as easing overcrowding in prisons. | ||
| I want to be clear, nothing I'm going to say is in any way advocating this program or saying that it's okay, but I am saying Alex is lying about it. | ||
| It's quite frankly a gross extension of the convict leasing programs that have been used to keep slavery around without calling it that, and on that principle, I'm strongly against it. | ||
| However, Alex should have no fear of this program being used against him. | ||
| In section 2-3, paragraph E, the document lists the sorts of inmates that aren't eligible for the program, and getting out of this program would be fucking easy. | ||
| They don't accept any sex offenders, any violent offenders, anyone deemed a flight risk, anyone who's been, quote, involved in drugs within the last three years. | ||
| Even drugs in prison. | ||
| Anyone incarcerated for selling drugs. | ||
| Anyone who's had a management problem at another facility. | ||
| Anyone who's committed arson. | ||
| Any inmate who's under the treatment for a mental disorder. | ||
| The list goes on and on. | ||
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So it's literally just Paul Manafort who is eligible for this program. | |
| No, because there is another qualification about being part of a criminal conspiracy. | ||
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So even Manafort isn't eligible! | |
| The reason they aren't interested in anybody who fits those descriptions is because this is about getting cheap labor. | ||
| And people who fit those descriptions have a potential to make their labor not so cheap anymore. | ||
| This is a gross, evil program. | ||
| But if you read the documents, which I have, it's absurd to think they have any interest in anything other than abusive financial arrangements. | ||
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Yeah, yeah. | |
| They just want slaves. | ||
| And much, much further to the point, this document from 2005 isn't about starting this program. | ||
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It's... | |
| It's clear if you read it that it's been going on a long time. | ||
| No. | ||
| But this is what... | ||
| This program is... | ||
| This is what prisons do. | ||
| Right, right. | ||
| So this program is like... | ||
| I'm not saying it's okay because I'm saying dismissively. | ||
| No, no, absolutely not. | ||
| That's what prisons do. | ||
| Absolutely not. | ||
| No, this program is literally them spelling out, we want house slaves. | ||
| We don't want people who are going to be a flight risk. | ||
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Well... | |
| Like, that's brutal. | ||
| Well, the part that's difficult for me... | ||
| That is damning. | ||
| The part that's difficult for me is that I can't quite figure out exactly what the work these people... | ||
| Be like custodial in nature, that sort of thing. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
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But at the same time, they talk about it in the document that these people who would be used... | |
| Wouldn't be allowed to come into contact with the army people who were there. | ||
| I think it's like digging ditches or something like that. | ||
| Does the army have cotton plantations that we didn't know about? | ||
| I mean, I think it's close. | ||
| Yeah, right? | ||
| It's got to be something like that. | ||
| It's got to be something like that. | ||
| Because it can't be custodial work because you're not allowed, as one of these inmates, to go into the barracks and the sort of living quarters of the army people. | ||
| I think it has to be just like... | ||
| Really shitty, construction-y kind of work. | ||
| And of course, I'm against it. | ||
| Yeah, no, fuck them. | ||
| But what Alex's angle on this should be is protecting the rights of these prisoners as humans. | ||
| Not that it's some sort of thing that's meant to entrap the patriots. | ||
| By talking about this very real thing, the civilian inmate labor program, in the way he's talking about it, what he does is make... | ||
| A good portion of the opposition to it impotent. | ||
| Because they're complaining about something that isn't real. | ||
| They're conspiracy theorists yelling about a real thing in a fake way. | ||
| Whereas the real way to approach something like this is like, we need to legislate for the rights of these prisoners. | ||
| That's fucked up. | ||
| And also you should see it as an extension of the thing that's going on at the actual prisons. | ||
| You know, this isn't something that is so foreign to just what incarceration is. | ||
| Like, it is a fucked up thing to learn that, like, the army is using slave labor from prisons. | ||
| No, everybody should really get on this whole, like, the 13th Amendment was a good step, not the finished product. | ||
| Yeah, the abolished prisons idea is not a far-fetched idea. | ||
| But also the other thing, too, is that Alex is perpetuating this idea that they're just going to create these false charges to get you into prison so you can get into this slave program. | ||
| That's kind of the argument. | ||
| Yeah, yeah, yeah. | ||
| At a certain point... | ||
| We got too many, man! | ||
| Like, I hate to relate this to my playing with civilization, but, like, I love having a builder around. | ||
| Yeah, you don't need... | ||
| Sometimes I end up in a city that has six builders. | ||
| Well, I just gotta skip your turn over and over again. | ||
| On a real-world level, the idea of incarcerating tons and tons of people in these civilian labor programs, you would end up with an excess of labor at that point, and they're not interested in that. | ||
| No, and even then... | ||
| For Alex specifically, if he was, by some miracle, charged with probably technically killing a guy on some manslaughter charge... | ||
| That's a violent crime. | ||
| He still wouldn't be a part of it. | ||
| And I guarantee he would have a, quote, management problem at some facilities. | ||
| It would be an issue. | ||
| Of course, he wouldn't be eligible for it. | ||
| So, if you're a patriot and you're afraid of being put into the civilian labor program, I would say, if you get arrested, punch somebody. | ||
| Now you're not eligible. | ||
| Okay, so there's a problem with the incentive structure for this. | ||
| I will say that. | ||
| It's crazy. | ||
| This is so stupid. | ||
| It's really, like, if you want to talk about the substantive issues and the real world about this, you have to talk about prison reform. | ||
| You have to talk about, like, the actual issues on the ground. | ||
| And the fact that this is, like, one of Alex's big pieces of FEMA camp stuff. | ||
| I mean, it's as close as he gets to real, but it's still wrong. | ||
| It's still very wrong. | ||
| No, immensely wrong and offensive on so many levels. | ||
| It's not great. | ||
| Because it's minimizing the real problem, which is, slaves are still around. | ||
| That's what he's doing. | ||
| He's like, hey, they're going to turn you into slaves without ever saying, hey, we already have slaves. | ||
| I don't think I've ever heard Alex say convict leasing. | ||
| I don't think I've ever heard him talk about that reality and those programs that just serve to continue slavery. | ||
| Man, we still have slaves. | ||
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Does everybody wake up knowing that? | |
| Because I feel like... | ||
| People don't. | ||
| I think that the people are becoming more aware of that, and I think that's a positive thing. | ||
| I hope so. | ||
| I think we're getting closer to dealing with that as a reality, but I still think we have a long fucking way to go. | ||
| Well, it's like on our last episode, whenever I was like, that can't be real, that the Republicans, blah, blah, blah. | ||
| What do you think? | ||
| It's just apathy? | ||
| And then you're like, well, yeah, obviously it's just apathy. | ||
| I didn't say, well, obviously. | ||
| You did that for yourself. | ||
| Exactly, but that's... | ||
| That's clearly the point. | ||
| Like, for so many Republicans, every time they pull out that, like, we're the party of Lincoln. | ||
| We're the party that freed the slaves. | ||
| And it's like, well, you guys wake up every day with slaves, man. | ||
| It's malicious. | ||
| You don't do it. | ||
| And Democrats are guilty of it, too. | ||
| No, no, for sure. | ||
| It's not a party. | ||
| Well, we don't want to appear weak on continuing slavery, Dan. | ||
| The Democrats really need to make a compromise about these sorts of things. | ||
| Yeah, absolutely. | ||
| So, suffice it to say, Alex talks about that a little bit at the beginning. | ||
| I'm sorry that I didn't make a clip, but I think you understand why whatever he was saying was full of shit. | ||
| And he will talk about it later. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
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And you'll see some of the things he has to say. | |
| So now at this point, he just talks more about Glenn Beck, says some bullshit, and then realizes that though he had his producers, And I get back to this thing about Glenn Beck. | ||
| It's ridiculous to say that we're not going into tyranny. | ||
| When PDD51 says the president is a dictator, go read it for yourself. | ||
| I did. | ||
| This is a real Housewives reunion special. | ||
| The John Warren Defense Authorization Act says the governors serve at the pleasure of the president. | ||
| The Pentagon issued a directive six months ago saying their job is now crowd control and that the governors serve at the pleasure of the president and are dual-headed officers. | ||
| That's not true. | ||
| And they issued 1404.10. | ||
| In fact, I forgot to print that for this presentation. | ||
| There's just so much racing through my mind I want to document. | ||
| Google that story that we wrote about... | ||
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No, no, no. | |
| Don't Google the story. | ||
| Aaron was about to get him to print it. | ||
| The one about Pentagon creates new civilian force. | ||
| I need that. | ||
| I think it's 1404. | ||
| Google the thing. | ||
| Don't Google the source. | ||
| Don't Google the source, Chad. | ||
| Oh, this is bad. | ||
| And so we've got all of this here. | ||
| You do have all of this here. | ||
| So, look, he's saying that the John Warner Defense Act makes it so governors don't really exist and they just serve at the whim of the president. | ||
| That really sounds like American history. | ||
| I'm pretty sure, as somebody who has just paid a small amount of attention to American history, I'm pretty sure that at any point in time the president can just say governors are imaginary. | ||
| You're fired. | ||
| Right. | ||
| His best friend Donald Trump's catchphrase. | ||
| You're fired, Governor! | ||
| Get out of here, Governor! | ||
| Nonsense. | ||
| There's language in that bill that the president can send out National Guard troops in states of emergency, like if martial law is declared, which previously was up to the will of the governor, although it would create a very weird situation if there was a legitimate state of emergency and the president requested National Guard troops and the governor said, nah. | ||
| That would be a weird... | ||
| That would be fascinating. | ||
| That would be an interesting situation. | ||
| I would love to see that conversation happen. | ||
| But I would... | ||
| I don't think so. | ||
| That would mean a whole lot of other shit has gone wrong before that. | ||
| I would also predict, I can't prove this, but I would also predict that every time in history that the president has requested a governor pull out National Guard troops, they have. | ||
| I don't know. | ||
| I don't know. | ||
| Because I think, my point is that I think, generally speaking, if there were like a terrorist attack or if there were a horrible natural disaster and the president were to say... | ||
| I would like National Guard troops. | ||
| The governor would always say yes. | ||
| And saying that the president can bypass that step is not going to functionally change that much. | ||
| I understand why people would have a little bit of discomfort with that. | ||
| Maybe there's something worth retaining in saying that the governor and the president should coordinate on that. | ||
| Maybe. | ||
| You know what? | ||
| I actually... | ||
| No, so I... | ||
| But it doesn't make the governor ceremonial. | ||
| No, no, no, absolutely not. | ||
| But the more I think about it, the more I am concerned about how so many norms, you know, when we talk about Trump being president, we talk about the violation of so many political norms, you know? | ||
| And that being in there does... | ||
| Because imagine, imagine for a moment, Trump... | ||
| Having some sort of temper tantrum. | ||
| Like right before a midterm or something? | ||
| And saying that we're going to send Arizona's National Guard to the border. | ||
| I can't imagine that happening. | ||
| Or like New Mexico, or one of those states on the border, right? | ||
| And the governor of one of those states is like, hey, no, we can't do that. | ||
| That makes sense. | ||
| I want to keep that one in place. | ||
| I honestly think that there's a middle ground that makes the most sense. | ||
| Do you mean a president not doing it unless it is a necessary emergency? | ||
| No, I don't even think that's the middle ground. | ||
| I think that's the requisite circumstance. | ||
| I think that the middle ground is coordination between the two. | ||
| Right. | ||
| I don't think the president or the governor should necessarily have final say on it. | ||
| I think it should be some sort of a quorum thing where we balance the... | ||
| And I agree. | ||
| Easy to preserve. | ||
| For sure. | ||
| And I think has. | ||
| Absolutely! | ||
| And I think it functionally has for the most part. | ||
| And I think the law itself there is more of a backstop of like, hey, if we have a crazy fucking president who is just directing National Guard troops anywhere, the governor can be like... | ||
| Nah, dude, we can't be doing this. | ||
| You're an adult, I'm an adult, we can't be doing this. | ||
| If the president is so bad and so out of control, and the governor is like, no National Guard troops, that president will just send in the army then. | ||
| We're past the point of it being... | ||
| Controllable by the governor. | ||
| Yeah, that's true. | ||
| We turn into civil war, then it's the United States versus New Mexico. | ||
| But then, of course, you have the opposite situation where there's a crazy fucking governor who is not going to send the National Guard troops out, even though fucking an earthquake just destroyed half of Phoenix. | ||
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Right. | |
| That's where churches come in. | ||
| That's where churches come in. | ||
| Charities come in. | ||
| Hey, the Red Cross. | ||
| Yeah, come on. | ||
| Private sector comes in and fixes everything. | ||
| Cars for... | ||
| It's super complicated, and I don't think I 100% support the idea, but I also believe, because I've read it, I've read the John Warner Defense Authorization Act, and I'm certainly not in favor of all of it, but I don't think that it's that big a deal, and I think that it is specifically about catastrophic emergencies. | ||
| They do talk about what... | ||
| Sort of emergencies would be relevant to this, and it's things that would cause massive deaths. | ||
| It would be like, it would be a huge, like let's say a meteor hits somewhere. | ||
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Yeah. | |
| I know that's extreme. | ||
| Or New Madrid fault goes off, or something like that. | ||
| But that's kind of the idea, though, is that it does have to be extreme enough for everybody to kind of agree. | ||
| Or even 9-11. | ||
| You know, like, anything on those levels in terms of... | ||
| Oh, fuck. | ||
| And I don't think in those instances, streamlining who's responsible for decisions is necessarily a terrible thing. | ||
| Because it goes back to that whole thing about you have to do preparation before the event, otherwise the preparation's meaningless and you can't do anything. | ||
| So the idea of being like, alright, everything is good until a point, but when we're past that point, we all need to be working on the same page. | ||
| I kind of understand where that comes from. | ||
| No, the thing that this show has really, doing this show, not this show specifically, but doing this show has really given me far more appreciation for is the literal language that legislators do have to write. | ||
| Or these kinds of things where it's like... | ||
| And how bad Rob Paul is at that? | ||
| And how bad Rob Paul is at that? | ||
| But it is like, yeah, this conversation we're having is one of such specificity. | ||
| That if you fuck up the language like a little bit, then you have space for Alex Jones to run in and say, the executive branch is overrunning the rest of the fucking government! | ||
| And he's like, dude, you're talking about A versus B. Like, come on, man! | ||
| There's layers upon layers. | ||
| There's layers upon layers. | ||
| There's like Alex at the bottom with just wild denouncements of nonsense, with misunderstandings of language, and pretending that everything is a secret code. | ||
| And then there's us with a sort of modern... | ||
| The outcome of understanding and reading comprehension and that sort of thing. | ||
| And nuance. | ||
| And then there's a level above that, like people who really understand policy, that they could explain things to us even better. | ||
| And it's just unfortunate that... | ||
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What? | |
| People could explain things to us, Dan? | ||
| It's just unfortunate that Alex exists, period, because he's so dumb. | ||
| Just so dumb. | ||
| I wish there was another way to put it. | ||
| He's just so fucking dumb. | ||
| He's so fucking dumb. | ||
| So the next point that he wants... | ||
| Of course. | ||
| Of course. | ||
| Really don't know how that has anything to do with FEMA camps, but continue. | ||
| Well, he's still... | ||
| Look, he's going all over the place because he needs a broad spectrum in order to make his point because his point isn't good. | ||
| He has to hit A, B, C, D, E, and F in order to make point B because point B is flimsy as shit. | ||
| Or non-existent. | ||
| All of that alphabet is flimsy, but they're all flimsy in... | ||
| Like, they're not... | ||
| They look fine to the casual observer, and so it'll make it B look better when all of them suck. | ||
| Right, right. | ||
| The sum is greater than the parts of the whole. | ||
| That's a good way to put it. | ||
| And this part stinks. | ||
| And then we're going to really get into all the documentation coming up in the next segment. | ||
| But here are the clergy response teams. | ||
| Back that up in about 10 seconds. | ||
| I want them to hear that. | ||
| If martial law ever becomes a reality, it will be the pastors who pacify the public. | ||
| Now remember, secret FEMA program. | ||
| It was secret. | ||
| Shh, don't tell the public. | ||
| We're going to pay you to read this to your flock. | ||
| Tell them to take shots. | ||
| Tell them to turn their guns in. | ||
| Tell them Romans 13 to submit to a government takeover, okay? | ||
| They're paying them to do this. | ||
| That's why your church has got new vans and television sets and suddenly you're hearing your preacher say this. | ||
| How creepy and un-American is that? | ||
| Sounds creepy. | ||
| Hey, if your problem is with Romans 13, your problem's with the fucking Bible. | ||
| Because it does say that all authority on earth is destined by God. | ||
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No, no, no. | |
| They're just going to keep bringing out this... | ||
| Oh, so what? | ||
| Are you going to bring out the Bible that they gave to slaves prior to... | ||
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Right. | |
| The one where they ripped out all of those passages about being free and all of that shit. | ||
| The ones that was entirely about submitting to authority. | ||
| What, are they going to give those Bibles out? | ||
| No. | ||
| This is all based on a guy named Pastor Walt Mansfield who came out and became a whistleblower about the government enlisting pastors to indoctrinate their parishioners. | ||
| Sure. | ||
| There's no official confirmation of any of this. | ||
| It's all just coming out of this one dude who I don't trust and we've talked about before in the past. | ||
| What Alex fails to point out about any of this, he plays a news clip of, I believe it's Channel 12. KLNA or something like that. | ||
| I don't know. | ||
| If you Google Clergy Response Teams News 12, you'll find the video. | ||
| Just Google Clergy Response Teams and send me all the photos. | ||
| I think it's from Louisiana. | ||
| But if you go and listen to this, it's a horribly done sort of local news clip. | ||
| But the clip that he's playing, the problem that he doesn't take into account is that the pastor that's being interviewed there is a guy named Dr. Darrell Tuberville, which is an awesome name. | ||
| Dr. Durrell Tuberville. | ||
| How dare you! | ||
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How dare you say a name like that and pass it off as a real name! | |
| But the deal is that Dr. Tuberville, quote, serves as a chaplain for the Shreveport Fire Department and Caddo Sheriff's Office. | ||
| He's a government employee, so none of this proves in any way that the government is going out and trying to enlist your pastor to turn them against it. | ||
| He is the chaplain for the fire department and sheriff's office. | ||
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Apparently they're going out and recruiting pastors to... | |
| Pacify the fire department? | ||
| Well, but the interview that they do sounds really scary if you imagine it as being your pastor. | ||
| Oh, not my pastor. | ||
| Who has been enlisted by a secret FEMA program. | ||
| Well, obviously my pastor is Joel Osteen. | ||
| America's pastor. | ||
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Yeah. | |
| What Alex is trying to perpetuate through that clip is this idea that they're going in, they're trying to get you to get shots because God would want you to, and Romans 13 says that you need to. | ||
| The only interview in this whole very poorly made local news production is a guy who works for the government. | ||
| So I don't think it proves anything. | ||
| I really don't. | ||
| I've looked. | ||
| I've tried to find any evidence. | ||
| Like Alex talks about the clergy response team is like 20-something thousand preachers across the country who are all being paid by FEMA and he has documents to prove it. | ||
| Sure. | ||
| There is nothing. | ||
| There is nothing. | ||
| It is kind of fascinating to hear somebody be like, don't believe the Bible. | ||
| Alex says that a bit, though, I think. | ||
| That's true. | ||
| And it's interesting. | ||
| The only place... | ||
| Well, there is the scripture that's like, even the devil can quote scripture. | ||
| There's that one, too. | ||
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Yeah, yeah, yeah. | |
| I gotcha. | ||
| The Bible sure has themselves covered, coming and going, don't they? | ||
| The Clergy Response Team stuff is a load of bullshit. | ||
| There is nothing behind it. | ||
| Although... | ||
| Although, I will say this, Jordan. | ||
| If anyone can prove it to me... | ||
| I will change my position. | ||
| Yes. | ||
| I believe that there is a decent chance, decent chance, that something called the Clergy Response Team exists. | ||
| Okay. | ||
| But I will only believe that it is actual preachers who are government employees, like this chaplain of the fire department and stuff like that, people who are, whether or not they are on the payroll, are committed volunteers in the government already. | ||
| Who serve a role to make sure that people don't get into crazy panics in emergency. | ||
| I believe that's possible. | ||
| I will go so far as to say that it is a show by Dick Wolf. | ||
| That is as far as I will go. | ||
| I would like to see that show. | ||
| I would love to see that show. | ||
| Odifin Tutuola, only carryover character, because Ice-T is the best. | ||
| Fine, Belzer can come too. | ||
| You've got to have the bells. | ||
| Come on, man. | ||
| I just think this stuff sucks. | ||
| I just think it's terrible. | ||
| Yeah, because it's bad. | ||
| So at this point, we're about 40 minutes into Alex's actual breakdown of the FEMA camp stuff. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| He has approximately an hour and 20 minutes total to talk about it because Max Geiser's a coming. | ||
| Right. | ||
| And that's a hard out on me. | ||
| Proving my point. | ||
| I don't think he's proven his point. | ||
| It really shouldn't be a hard out! | ||
| I don't think he's proven his point. | ||
| To this stage that we're at, I... | ||
| Everyone, please, feel free to go listen to Alex's April 6th, 2009 episode of his show. | ||
| It's not too hard to find. | ||
| If you want to debunk the idea that I'm not bringing up every substantive thing he talks about... | ||
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Sure. | |
| Go for it. | ||
| I don't give a shit. | ||
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Good luck. | |
| He has said so much nonsense. | ||
| Complained about Glenn Beck. | ||
| Obliquely referenced something. | ||
| Like he did at the beginning when he said the Miami Herald article in the 80s. | ||
| And I said, I can't go on that. | ||
| Things like that. | ||
| He's spent all of his time doing stuff like that and making these bad arguments. | ||
| He's done nothing to prove to me in any way that FEMA camps are real. | ||
| Absolutely not. | ||
| And more importantly, I think. | ||
| And I am probably wrong about this. | ||
| Maybe. | ||
| But there has to be some overlap between Alex Jones listeners and Glenn Beck listeners or watchers. | ||
| Definitely. | ||
| He hasn't even proven to those people that Glenn Beck is wrong. | ||
| Nor has he actually rebutted anything that Glenn Beck really could say. | ||
| Absolutely. | ||
| Because all he's done is, I think, if you want to be... | ||
| Like, the most generous to Alex. | ||
| I think what you'd probably say is, like, what he's done is try to create substantive things like the inmate labor program and things like that that he knows that Glenn Beck won't talk about. | ||
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Right. | |
| So when Glenn Beck doesn't talk about that, he could be like, I told you he'd never touch that. | ||
| Of course. | ||
| That sort of thing. | ||
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Yeah, yeah, yeah. | |
| So I think he's doing that, and I think that's good for him. | ||
| Not like it's good, but it's good for what he's trying to do. | ||
| Yeah, yeah, yeah. | ||
| I think there's that, but... | ||
| What I'm saying is we're 40 minutes in and he says this and this to me is also a big problem. | ||
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Oh boy. | |
| So let's go ahead and go over the stack of news titled FEMA camps. | ||
| Here is the text of HR 645 National Emergency. | ||
| Senator's Establishment Act. | ||
| This says the clergy response teams will run these with the feds. | ||
| The local police will be part of it. | ||
| They will have medical care, a nightly movie. | ||
| Nightly movies. | ||
| Nightly. | ||
| Okay. | ||
| Well, it's not that bad. | ||
| Dude. | ||
| Nightly movies? | ||
| 40 minutes into his debunking that started an hour and 20 minutes into his fucking show. | ||
| Right. | ||
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He gets to the stack of... | |
| of news that says FEMA camps. | ||
| That's not good because he hasn't proved shit before this. | ||
| Nope. | ||
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So that's bad. | |
| And the first thing that he says is HR 645, this bill that that involves the clergy response teams and nightly movies. | ||
| It fucking doesn't. | ||
| And it died in committee. | ||
| It was a bill that was super unpopular. | ||
| This dude had pitched a couple of times before it, And it didn't create FEMA camps. | ||
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It didn't. | |
| And, I mean, I'm going to say it, it should have accounted for the future domination of binge-watching. | ||
| Nightly movies? | ||
| Who's going to watch The Wire? | ||
| Who's gonna watch The Wire? | ||
| We need nightly binge-watching of TV shows. | ||
| Yep, absolutely. | ||
| When would Homeland have a chance? | ||
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Or Final Table. | |
| My favorite show ever, Final Table. | ||
| If everybody's watching nightly movies. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| Nonsense. | ||
| All that isn't in the bill. | ||
| Of course not. | ||
| But the reason that it has never had any traction is largely because of the financial problems with it. | ||
| The amount of money that you would need to repurpose a bunch of places into being a place where people could go in an emergency. | ||
| Right, right, right. | ||
| Fuck that. | ||
| Fuck that. | ||
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Yep. | |
| So it's actually a demonstration of lack of preparation. | ||
| The fact that this HR 645 didn't go through. | ||
| Alex doesn't know that. | ||
| He should know that at the time. | ||
| It's dead in committee by the time he's talking about it. | ||
| You would hope. | ||
| But it was introduced in 2005, 2007, 2009, again in 2011. | ||
| It never went anywhere. | ||
| So the fact that that is what he comes in first with is like, this is the bill that's going to do it, not recognizing it's the third volley in an unsuccessful ping pong game. | ||
| It's just sad. | ||
| It's not good. | ||
| It's not good. | ||
| And it gets worse when he gets to his next article in the stack. | ||
| Here we go. | ||
| This is the article. | ||
| One of hundreds. | ||
| In the stack of FEMA camp news. | ||
| It's labeled FEMA camp, this stack. | ||
| Here is Wall Street Journal. | ||
| KBR awarded Homeland Security contract worth $385 million to build three 1 million person FEMA camps in the United States. | ||
| Okay, that's an interesting article that he's coming up with. | ||
| This isn't about FEMA camps. | ||
| This is a story about an engineering and construction company being awarded a contract to support ICE facilities. | ||
| Also, Alex fails to mention that in the article, they point out that KBR also held this contract from 2000 to 2005. | ||
| So his timeline really doesn't make any sense anymore. | ||
| Because if it is about the idea that they're trying to create these FEMA camps, well, they had to be going back to at least 2000, which is before 9-11, which 9-11 brought in the crisis. | ||
| Of course. | ||
| It's all nonsense. | ||
| This is about creating camps to put immigrants in. | ||
| This is not... | ||
| This isn't real. | ||
| This is the wrong atrocity, dude. | ||
| Exactly. | ||
| Exactly. | ||
| You are... | ||
| No, no, no. | ||
| There's an atrocity. | ||
| Alex. | ||
| I get you. | ||
| You could be useful. | ||
| I get you. | ||
| You could be useful. | ||
| No, no, no. | ||
| I'm with you. | ||
| I like your passion. | ||
| But you're not doing it right. | ||
| Shift it. | ||
| Put it towards... | ||
| Also, let's be honest. | ||
| $385 million is nothing. | ||
| In terms of a contract like that? | ||
| No, no, no. | ||
| I mean in terms of what it would require to create FEMA camps that control the entire American population. | ||
| On the scale Alex imagines? | ||
| Yeah, we're talking about trillions of dollars. | ||
| That's a drop in the bucket. | ||
| Yeah, no. | ||
| $385 million is nothing. | ||
| You can't get lighting. | ||
| Yeah, absolutely not. | ||
| The idea that he's talking about. | ||
| They wouldn't have lighting if they were doing the FEMA camps, though. | ||
| They would try to cut corners. | ||
| They would try and cut corners. | ||
| They would make sure a lot of children die. | ||
| Oh, that hasn't happened. | ||
| That's a story that Alex is pitching, as KBR has now been given all this money in order to create the FEMA camps, not recognizing the contract goes back nine years prior to the time that he's talking about this, and that it was about ICE facilities. | ||
| Now Alex gets to a second story about these contracts that are going around that prove that FEMA camps exist, and it's kind of interesting. | ||
| Here's the New York Times. | ||
| Halliburton subsidiary gets contract to add temporary immigration detention centers, just like under Rex 84, the documents came out in the 80s. | ||
| They said the cover would be for illegal aliens, but it would be really a martial law takeover plan to suspend the Constitution and take over the media. | ||
| A couple important points there. | ||
| KBR is a Halliburton subsidiary. | ||
| He's talking about the exact same story and pretending that it's two different stories. | ||
| It's the exact same story. | ||
| Now, the bigger picture in that clip is that Alex is saying that Rex 84 would be disguised as... | ||
| Yeah, no, that makes perfect sense. | ||
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White president! | |
| 100%. | ||
| It's all about that. | ||
| It's all white. | ||
| That's the most whiteness you could white. | ||
| You can see that demonstrated so clearly, especially when he's talking about the exact same thing from history. | ||
| When he's talking about Rex 84 in 2009, he's talking about, I have the secret knowledge that it's not really about illegal immigrants. | ||
| It's about locking up the patriots. | ||
| In 2018, when he's saying that Trump is putting Rex 84 into action, he says, Look, the reality is it appeared to be about locking up the Patriots, but it's actually about making sure our borders are secure. | ||
| Yeah, sure. | ||
| This is pathetic levels of nonsense. | ||
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This is sad. | |
| Nonsense. | ||
| It's really sad. | ||
| Nonsense. | ||
| I want him to be better. | ||
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Ugh. | |
| You know what? | ||
| That is a thought that I had repeatedly. | ||
|
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Yeah. | |
| I really did. | ||
| It was disappointment. | ||
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Yeah. | |
| Like, I... | ||
| Look. | ||
| Whatever. | ||
| If I sat down and went in a debate with Alex Jones, I'd probably lose because he'd scream at me and I'd start laughing. | ||
| Like, honestly, it would probably not go great. | ||
| But at the same time, I want to respect him. | ||
| Because he is a monster. | ||
| He's a really bad dude. | ||
| And I'm against him. | ||
| Like, I've made my life about being against him. | ||
| Pretty much. | ||
| And I'd like him to be better. | ||
| This is his show where it's like, legitimately prove FEMA camps. | ||
| You have one objective. | ||
| You go in. | ||
| It's nose to the grindstone. | ||
| Just fucking do it. | ||
| And this is the outcome of the stuff we get. | ||
| And it's just... | ||
| It is disappointment. | ||
| There's a huge piece of this. | ||
| This is fucking disappointing. | ||
| No, this whole thing reminds me so much of an argument with my family. | ||
| Like, just any argument where it's like, guys, you're my family. | ||
| I want... | ||
| To love you. | ||
| And I want to respect you. | ||
| I'm not sure I'm going to go with that. | ||
| If you're going to be the thing that you're doing, at least do it to the level where I'm not bored by you. | ||
| I mean, it comes down to... | ||
| This is shit. | ||
| You're bringing shit here. | ||
| It comes down to over and over again. | ||
| And not necessarily with your family, but like with this. | ||
| Nah, it's probably with my family too. | ||
| Maybe with your family too. | ||
| Eh, it's probably with them. | ||
| I want a higher class of criminals. | ||
| I know! | ||
| Can't handle this level of... | ||
| Yeah, what are you doing? | ||
| I thought... | ||
| Okay, I'm going to be honest with you. | ||
| This is a little embarrassing. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| I thought Alex was holding back. | ||
| Oh, you poor bastard. | ||
| I thought that there was a chance. | ||
| You poor bastard. | ||
| For the last two years of episodes that I've been listening. | ||
| That is projection right there. | ||
| I didn't listen to the right episode. | ||
| That is projection. | ||
| I thought that maybe he had a lot of fucking gas in the tank. | ||
| I know. | ||
| And the day that he has to prove that FEMA camps exist, I'm going to be in trouble because he's actually going to prove it. | ||
| No, you thought he was going to pull a U. And drop a hammer. | ||
| I did. | ||
| I really did. | ||
| You really did. | ||
| That's projection on your part. | ||
| Because you know he's not going to drop a hammer. | ||
| You have hammers. | ||
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I didn't. | |
| He's no hammer brother. | ||
| I want to be clear. | ||
| I didn't think that he was going to, but there was a part of me that was kind of afraid of it. | ||
| Yeah, yeah. | ||
| There was a part of me that was... | ||
| And this is another message. | ||
| Have no fear. | ||
| Yeah, no, totally. | ||
| About bullies and liars and frauds. | ||
| They don't have shit. | ||
| They have nothing. | ||
| Like, all the time that you want to, like... | ||
| I think that there's an impulse in polite society and people that they just don't want to push back on people who are clearly full of shit. | ||
| Because, you know, you fear conflict and that sort of thing. | ||
| I mean, don't get in fights with people, but, like... | ||
| Don't be afraid of pushing back stuff like this because what's beneath it is this. | ||
| This is Alex's chance. | ||
| This is the day. | ||
| He's supposed to come correct and he doesn't. | ||
| Pathetic. | ||
| So we're still in the Alex's stack of FEMA camp articles. | ||
| Here's another one. | ||
| Also, George Bush reopened all the Japanese and German prisoner of war camps in the U.S. and put water in, light in, and then just have them set up and ready. | ||
| That was in the CBS News, Bush to preserve World War II internment camps. | ||
| So, I mean, I'm not cutting stuff... | ||
| The same way the Germans preserved fucking Auschwitz? | ||
| I'm not cutting out instances where he says, like... | ||
| Good points or anything like that. | ||
| I'm just choosing all the points where he says something specific I can look into. | ||
| So this is another one. | ||
| Alex is actually correct on this one, that Bush allocated funds to preserve internment camps, but the same article explains that, quote, the money will be administered by the National Park Services to restore and pay for research at 10 camps. | ||
| The law is intended to help preserve the camps as a reminder of how the United States turned on some of its own citizens. | ||
| So literal! | ||
| Literally like Auschwitz! | ||
| Yes, 100%. | ||
| Literally like Germany preserved Auschwitz! | ||
| Yes. | ||
| Yes. | ||
| The plan was to turn them into historic sites, run basically as museums of history by the National Park Service. | ||
| At the time of Bush's financing, two of the ten camps from World War II already served this purpose. | ||
| The plan was just to expand it to the other ones. | ||
| So this is not, like, there's no fucking piece of this at all that is Bush is trying to reopen. | ||
| Right. | ||
| These camps. | ||
| He's trying to preserve them as a piece of history that we can all learn from, which I think is actually super valuable. | ||
| And to the point where you wish they were publicized more so more people would visit them and be like, oh, right, America's not that great. | ||
| But America not being that great isn't an indication that you hate America or anything like that. | ||
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Absolutely not. | |
| And I think that's a fine distinction that's important. | ||
| I agree. | ||
| And I think in order to make America as good as it can be, we do need... | ||
| Those sorts of things. | ||
| We do need those museums of the horrible things that we've done. | ||
| We need to own our shame and wear it on our sleeves. | ||
| Well, I referenced it earlier, but the Slave Bible. | ||
| There are like four copies in America. | ||
| The Slave Bible is a really, really damning and important piece of history. | ||
| And we need to understand it. | ||
| You look at that and you say, oh, well, the Christians, they were against slavery. | ||
| And you know, you know that these people went into the fucking Bible, which you think is so fucking important, removed every passage about any kind of freedom. | ||
| Yep. | ||
| Every single part of that Bible that mentioned maybe you shouldn't be a fucking slave, they removed and gave it to slaves. | ||
| They used the religion as a weapon. | ||
| They did it purposefully. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| Absolutely. | ||
| That's America. | ||
| Yeah, absolutely. | ||
| And they used religion as a weapon against freedom and against equality and those sorts of things. | ||
| In the same way that using patriotism as a weapon against equality and everyone being people. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| Oh, you mean humans? | ||
| It was done during internment camps. | ||
| And I think that there is value to that. | ||
| It's not demonizing religion and it's not demonizing patriotism in order to just own up to those things and celebrate. | ||
| I don't mean celebrate like hurrah, but celebrate. | ||
| In a sense of, like, understanding those pieces of our history. | ||
| Denying them just ends up creating Nazis. | ||
| Well, and if you want to say how great your fucking Bible is, then you also have to accept that there are people always trying to alter the Bible to make it do what they want it to do. | ||
| The simple awareness of the... | ||
| What'd that Bible do? | ||
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Whoa! | |
| That's what I text people on Tinder. | ||
| What'd that Bible do? | ||
| Jesus up? | ||
| Sorry. | ||
| That was an example of me derailing you with a joke. | ||
| Oh, isn't that surprising? | ||
| The tables have turned. | ||
| How? | ||
| How? | ||
| So, Jordan, we have seen some things that Alex has brought into his argument here. | ||
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Right. | |
| We've seen... | ||
| I mean, all lies. | ||
| Yeah, you're giving things a lot of weight in that sentence. | ||
| Things can mean anything. | ||
| No, but... | ||
| Alex has used words. | ||
| They're all words. | ||
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I was going to say, things almost suggest substantial things. | |
| That's like saying, we've seen Alex use a lot of ghosts, where you're like, well, I get what you're saying. | ||
| I think I fucking made it very clear at the beginning of this that there is no substance. | ||
| But I do think he said things. | ||
| No! | ||
| The civilian inmate labor program is a thing, and I think that there's a better conversation to have about it. | ||
| He's having his, and God bless you. | ||
| Right. | ||
| We wish it was called the civilian we're slaves now. | ||
| PDD-51 is a real thing. | ||
| He's lying about it. | ||
| Right. | ||
| These news articles, the Miami Herald article, the KBR article, all this stuff, he's lying about them. | ||
| But now we're going to pivot into government business. | ||
| Oh, that's trouble. | ||
| Because Alex has some executive orders he wants to talk about. | ||
| Oh, no. | ||
| And this actually is probably the... | ||
| It tickled me more than a number of things I've ever discovered on this podcast. | ||
| Now I thought I would go over executive orders for you. | ||
| Executive orders. | ||
| In fact, you can just Google Executive Order 11,000. | ||
| This has been reaffirmed by every subsequent president. | ||
| What does that mean? | ||
| Assessing emergency preparedness functions to the Secretary of Labor. | ||
| Okay. | ||
| And this is just one of the executive orders. | ||
| can go read 11,000 for yourself, allows the government to mobilize civilians into work brigades under government supervision. | ||
| You can go read that if you'd like to. | ||
| So this is an executive order from JFK, who I thought Alex said was the last real president, so anti-globalist and trying to take down the Federal Reserve that they had to kill him. | ||
| But here he is enslaving the public. | ||
| JFK did put in Executive Order 11,000. | ||
| It was really nice of him to make it a nice even number. | ||
| I mean, that was a coincidence. | ||
| But that's just timing. | ||
| Yeah, that's great. | ||
| So Alex has to believe in his conception. | ||
| If he believes this to be true, he's wrong about it. | ||
| But if he believes it to be true, then JFK has to simultaneously be the president. | ||
| Who? | ||
| Was put out an executive order that was going to cripple the Federal Reserve, which led to him being murdered by the evil forces under the sway of the Federal Reserve. | ||
| And he put out an executive order that, in essence, enslaved the American public. | ||
| You take the good with the bad. | ||
| The rough with the smooth. | ||
| Or whatever. | ||
| Like, this is nonsensical. | ||
| Also, this order was overturned by Nixon's executive order, 11,490. | ||
| And also, it's in no way binding today. | ||
| Would have been nicer if it was 11,001. | ||
| I wish it was. | ||
| But I'll accept that. | ||
| I'll accept that. | ||
| You know what? | ||
| JFK was still around for 11,001. | ||
| 11,001? | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| Also, even... | ||
| Here's the no backseat executive order. | ||
| Exactly, yeah. | ||
| Seat bag. | ||
| Uh, even if it hadn't been overturned and all that stuff, and even if it were still binding today, uh, it had zero to do with forcing citizens to do anything, even in emergency situations. | ||
| That executive order, 11,000, it was guidelines and instruction on how best to use civilian manpower that was available in a crisis. | ||
| Section 4C of that executive order even lays out creating payment incentives for people to join the civilian labor force. | ||
| Develop plans and procedures for wage. | ||
| This is about non... | ||
| Non-military employees. | ||
| Civilian in this term is not, I'm going to conscript you into this service. | ||
| It is non-military government employees. | ||
| This is such bullshit. | ||
| We should probably pay people in an emergency. | ||
| Yes, there is that. | ||
| But it's also how best to use the resources that are available that aren't military people during a crisis. | ||
| It has literally nothing to do... | ||
| The executive order talks a lot about using civilian manpower in a crisis situation, but understood correctly, it's not talking about, like, let's get all the civilians to do that. | ||
| It's not like shaking down your apartment building and using you all to dig a ditch. | ||
| It's not that. | ||
| It's about non-military government employees. | ||
| Civilians. | ||
| It's kind of like... | ||
| Women during World War II. | ||
| Like, they were like, okay, well, we conscripted all the men to send them off to fight. | ||
| So how about you guys build bombs and shit? | ||
| Like, I get it. | ||
| They never forced women to do that. | ||
| No! | ||
| But they did encourage through PR campaigns. | ||
| I mean, in an economic sense. | ||
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Yeah, yeah. | |
| But there wasn't a conscription of women into, like, working in a factory. | ||
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No, no, no. | |
| If you didn't want to, you didn't. | ||
| This is crazy to me. | ||
| First of all, I know I already made this point, but I can't fucking get over it. | ||
| The idea that Alex is just throwing this out without bringing up the idea that JFK did this. | ||
| It's an executive order. | ||
| It's not like he didn't do that. | ||
| It's an executive order. | ||
| He has all the control in the world over what executive orders he puts out. | ||
| That is part of being the president. | ||
| It has something to do with it. | ||
| Unless they had a gun to his head. | ||
| It wasn't to his head. | ||
| But it was also way before that. | ||
| This is nonsense, man! | ||
| From a, from a, like... | ||
| From a propaganda standpoint, this is a really, really big problem. | ||
| Because it undercuts so much of the other propaganda that he needs to put into the world. | ||
| Because he's not talking about the Federal Reserve nonsense on this episode, he's just talking about the FEMA camp stuff. | ||
| He can imagine that all that stuff doesn't still exist, but it does. | ||
| It really, really does. | ||
| And so for him to believe that JFK was such a threatening president to the globalists... | ||
| Who are in charge of the Federal Reserve and also putting in FEMA camps. | ||
| Yes. | ||
| It just doesn't make sense. | ||
| They got the whole back. | ||
| It just doesn't make sense. | ||
| I wish he was a DB. | ||
| None of this makes sense. | ||
| I wish he was a Dragon Ball Z fan so it could have been like, It's over 9,000! | ||
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Ah! | |
| The executive order? | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| That would have been great. | ||
| Well, I got bad news. | ||
| It would have been fun. | ||
| He also talks about a couple other executive orders. | ||
| Oh, boy. | ||
| So Executive Order 10,990 allows the government to take over all modes of transportation and control of highways and seaports. | ||
| That's been reaffirmed under PDD-51 under the John Warner Defense Authorization Act and others. | ||
| Executive Order 10,995 allows the government to seize and control the communication media. | ||
| That's now been put in by the emergency alert system. | ||
| It goes on like that for quite a while. | ||
| Let me ask you a question. | ||
| Quite a while. | ||
| Real quick. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| How far into Obama's presidency are we? | ||
| Do you mean when this episode was recorded? | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| Two months? | ||
| Two and a half months? | ||
| We're at two and a half months? | ||
| Beginning of April, he was inaugurated on January 20th. | ||
| But again, it's not about Obama. | ||
| No, no, no. | ||
| I know. | ||
| But essentially what he's saying is that Obama has accelerated these programs that have been in place for 50 plus years. | ||
| And most of them have already been undone. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| Like, Executive Order 10-990, that executive order didn't allow the takeover of all the roads and shit like that. | ||
| Pretty sure it did. | ||
| What it did is it reestablished a council to oversee the safety of civilian federal government employees. | ||
| That's why it was made moot by the issuance of Executive Order 11-612 in 1971, titled, quote, Occupational Safety and Health Programs for Federal Employees. | ||
| Yeah, but Carter did that, so it didn't count. | ||
| No, that was... | ||
| Oh, no, that was Ford. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| That would have been Ford, yeah. | ||
| Sorry. | ||
| Apologies. | ||
| Apologies, everyone. | ||
| Executive Order 10995 that he brought up. | ||
| This doesn't facilitate the takeover of the media. | ||
| It's about emergency broadcast messages. | ||
| Trump is forcing people to get cell phone messages, like texts. | ||
| Is he? | ||
| Yeah, he is. | ||
| No shit. | ||
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Yeah. | |
| Oh, boy. | ||
| Your phone was free of that, but I got that weird, like, Trump... | ||
| Really? | ||
| Yeah, yeah, absolutely. | ||
| Oh, that's fucked up. | ||
| Yeah, Alex had nothing to say about that. | ||
| Totally cool with it. | ||
| I don't see how tornado warnings are creepy tyranny, if you're fine with all that. | ||
| Who gives a shit? | ||
| Also, that executive order specifically says, quote, nothing contained in this order shall be deemed to impair any existing authority or jurisdiction of the Federal Communications Commission. | ||
| So... | ||
| There's checks and balances in play even in that executive order. | ||
| Also, that executive order was revoked on September 4th, 1970 by executive order 11-556. | ||
| Now, here's the bigger picture. | ||
| What was Ford up to? | ||
| Ford or Nixon. | ||
| Nixon did a number of them, too. | ||
| Oh, that's right. | ||
| Man, my timeline is rough right now. | ||
| Apologies. | ||
| Here's the bigger picture. | ||
| Executive orders that he's reading off, he reads off like 12 of them. | ||
| It's insufferable. | ||
| In order to confuse and annoy you. | ||
| A little bit. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| But what it did is actually give me a window into where he was getting the information from. | ||
| Oh, if he's rattling off a series of executive orders, that suggests that somebody else has already compiled these series of executive orders. | ||
| That suggests that... | ||
| Somebody has already put together a list of these executive orders suggesting what Alex is already about to say. | ||
| You can look up who has compiled this kind of list of orders before and what their motivations are. | ||
| Dan, I assume you have not done that and you have done zero research at all because this is not really our MO, right? | ||
| Alex is literally reading off a chain email. | ||
| No! | ||
| No! | ||
| His wording about what the executive orders say is literal. | ||
| It's exactly word for word. | ||
| One to one. | ||
| One to one from a chain email that you can find on factcheck.org. | ||
| So please, don't think that Alex has any research capabilities at all or knows anything. | ||
| He's literally, on this episode, reading off something your grandma might have sent you. | ||
| Like, this is... | ||
| Ridiculous. | ||
| Because these executive... | ||
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Forward, forward, forward, forward, forward, forward, forward, forward. | |
| The government's coming to kill you. | ||
| Like, this is embarrassing levels of shit. | ||
| Like, you understand? | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| Alex is reading off this long list of executive orders, and I... | ||
| Googled it early on and figured out... | ||
| I was trying to figure out where this is coming from. | ||
| I don't believe that an executive order put out in the 70s made all roads under the... | ||
| It doesn't sound right. | ||
| We now control everything. | ||
| It doesn't sound right. | ||
| Because if it is true, then it also seems like the government... | ||
| Why haven't they done that now? | ||
| Why has it been 40, 50 years that they've had control of everything and then been like... | ||
| We'll chill on this. | ||
| The snake knows when the time to strike is. | ||
| How much slow playing do you need to do? | ||
| That's what I'm saying. | ||
| So I looked into it, and the executive orders, I saw the first three of them that he said, and I'm like, oh, that doesn't say anything, even close to what he's saying. | ||
| How can that be? | ||
| And so I found this factcheck.org article about this chain email that went around demonizing Obama in the early 2009 time frame. | ||
| Wait, so is there a similar time period where we're in right now? | ||
| What do you mean by that? | ||
| Oh, this episode? | ||
| So there's this chain email that went around in early 2009. | ||
| What time period are we in? | ||
| Early 2009. | ||
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Oh, okay. | |
| Alright. | ||
| So this chain email has a list of executive orders and descriptions of what they are. | ||
| The descriptions are not correct. | ||
| They don't do those things. | ||
| But Alex... | ||
| He literally is reading off that. | ||
| It's crazy for me to try and describe what I mean by this because I'm not going to play that clip again or anything like that. | ||
| As I was hearing him read the next five executive orders, I was like, oh, there's that. | ||
| Oh, my God. | ||
| It's almost like a script. | ||
| He's just reading a chain email. | ||
| He's really just reading a chain. | ||
| God damn it. | ||
| A hundred percent. | ||
| Maybe what we should have been angry at this whole time is Alex's grandma. | ||
| I don't know. | ||
| No, because she was soft killed by a vaccine. | ||
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Oh, that's right. | |
| Why do I know that? | ||
| I don't know. | ||
| I suppose what we should have been angry at is... | ||
| Alex's mom kicking his chain emails off of his knee whenever he was growing up. | ||
| Anyway, Alex reads a bunch of these executive orders, which are all spurious, and they're all just, he's reading a chain email. | ||
| He has done no research into any of these. | ||
| He hasn't read the executive orders themselves. | ||
| If he had, he would know that most of them don't say the things that he's saying they do. | ||
| But then he says this. | ||
| I've covered some executive orders. | ||
| Now I want to get more into the FEMA camps themselves and how they're set up versus the straw man arguments where Beck and others point to people that have wrongly identified some installations as FEMA camps when they aren't. | ||
| Stay with us. | ||
| I'll stay with you. | ||
| So what he's saying is that, like, hey, I've covered these executive orders. | ||
| Now we're going to get to the FEMA camp stuff. | ||
| Stop doing that. | ||
| This is all supposed to be about the FEMA camp stuff. | ||
| You shouldn't be diverted at all. | ||
| I don't understand why. | ||
| I really continue to forget that this entire episode... | ||
| It's Christmas Eve all over again. | ||
| Every time we do an episode where it's like, okay, he has got to be focused about this one thing. | ||
| He's trying to do this. | ||
| We do an episode and it's like, wait. | ||
| Are you for real? | ||
| This is what the episode is about? | ||
| And honestly, that mirrors my experience of listening to it and experiencing it. | ||
| Because I do also be like... | ||
| Wait, we're doing the FEMA camp episode, right? | ||
| I understand that you want to talk about troops on the street. | ||
| Right. | ||
| I understand that you want to talk about gun grams and stuff like that. | ||
| I get it, Alex. | ||
| Big deal. | ||
| It's not... | ||
| That's B. We're talking about A. You know, like, this is... | ||
| Oh, now I'm interested. | ||
| Has he ever focused on one topic? | ||
| I mean, he's trying. | ||
| No, no, no. | ||
| I mean, but, like, have we ever... | ||
| Well, we're two years into this now. | ||
| I would say the closest was that episode, that disgraceful pedophilia episode with Saw Man. | ||
| Oh, yeah. | ||
| From, like, 2017. | ||
| Yeah, but that one, but even then, that one was like... | ||
| Pedophilia was just the way for him to ramble on about 10 million different other topics. | ||
| But he was pretty on point. | ||
| He stayed pretty close to the harbor in that. | ||
| That's fair. | ||
| The only reason that that comes to my mind so much is like... | ||
| It's one of the times that it's really stuck out in my head that he did a show almost entirely about one thing. | ||
| Yeah, yeah, yeah. | ||
| He tries sometimes, like I think it was in 2015, he did that episode where he pretended he was going to jump the shark and ironically argue for the ban of Muslims in America. | ||
| Right, right, right. | ||
| I think he tried to do that then, but he failed because that episode was all over the place. | ||
| You know what? | ||
| I think that reminds me of my... | ||
| I'm changing it. | ||
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Oh. | |
| I'm changing it. | ||
| Get out of here, Aussie mandamus. | ||
| That reminds me of my favorite moment of 2018 is us hearing him say, or the caller being like, oh, hey, how's he doing? | ||
| And him being like, ah, he's dead now. | ||
| Colonel Don de Grand Prix? | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| I'm a big fan of dead Don de Grand Prix. | ||
| That's pretty great. | ||
| That might have been the hardest I've laughed while just listening to Alex's show. | ||
| So I think that does deserve it. | ||
| That's pretty solid. | ||
| That's pretty solid. | ||
| That's up there. | ||
| If we're making a 2018 Mount Rushmore, that's in there. | ||
| Bill Ayers is in there. | ||
| For sure. | ||
| Ozzy Mandamus. | ||
| For sure. | ||
| That's the Mount Rushmore of 2018. | ||
| Yeah, I think we got our top four. | ||
| There we go. | ||
| Facebook group. | ||
| Vote! | ||
| So, like, I just think... | ||
| This is really bad. | ||
| He's doing this very poorly. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| I feel like I've lost a little bit of my interest in talking about how badly he's doing it, which also interestingly mirrors my experience of listening to this episode. | ||
| I came in guns blazing, pens blazing, just like, I'm taking notes, 45 minutes into him starting to talk about FEMA camps, I was like, boo, boo. | ||
| And I'm not booing him saying things I disagree with. | ||
| I'm just booing him doing it poorly. | ||
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Right, right, right. | |
| It's terrible. | ||
| It's just really bad. | ||
| And the reason I'm deeply ashamed that I forgot that clip about the civilian inmate labor program earlier is because when he gets back from break, when he says, I've covered these executive orders, we're going to get back into the program. | ||
| Yeah, yeah, yeah. | ||
| When he comes back from break, this is what he brings up. | ||
| And I thought... | ||
| This is the white flag of surrender. | ||
| I have nothing. | ||
| Glenn Beck will not talk about this. | ||
| Civilian Inmate Labor Camp Program Army Regulation 210-35. | ||
| Now, this grows all the time. | ||
| In fact, put it up on screen, guys. | ||
| If you only heard that as the first time he's bringing it up, it seems like this is a coup de grace or something like that. | ||
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Right, right, right, right. | |
| Now, we could still talk about it and I could explain why it's not and all that stuff, but it's not. | ||
| This is him bringing it back up. | ||
| Half an hour later, after he's already talked about it, he's bringing it up as if it's new information to the conversation that he's having. | ||
| And now listen to how he talks about it. | ||
| Guys, and just roll through the pages for folks. | ||
| Now, this is the big piece of news. | ||
| It's not news. | ||
| This is to establish, setting up... | ||
| Prison labor camps. | ||
| Negotiations with correctional systems representing representatives to establish prison camps. | ||
| Governing criteria civilian inmate labor camps. | ||
| Policy statement. | ||
| Governing provisions for operating civilian inmate prison camps on army installations. | ||
| Procedures for establishing a civilian inmate. | ||
| Prison camp on Army installations. | ||
| He's just reading the headings, the bold print that's in there. | ||
| He has no ability to have a conversation about what's in there because he hasn't read it. | ||
| If he has, he doesn't have the information available. | ||
| He's not equipped to have a conversation about what is in that document, what it means. | ||
| That, to me, is incredibly telling. | ||
| This is the second time it's been brought up in terms of this whole FEMA camp debunking. | ||
| It's his big news. | ||
| It's not news. | ||
| This is four years after this has come out and what have you. | ||
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Yeah, of course. | |
| And he isn't conversant in it. | ||
| That, to me, is a real fucking problem. | ||
| If you have a propagandist like Milo Yiannopoulos or like a Cernovich or something like that. | ||
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Yeah, yeah, yeah. | |
| Or even Posobiec, probably. | ||
| A poor propagandist. | ||
| Generally speaking, they aren't going to wade into waters that they don't know something about. | ||
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Right. | |
| They'll try and deflect away from it. | ||
| Yeah, yeah, yeah. | ||
| Well, the conversation is really... | ||
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Oh, no, no. | |
| Oh, you're going to bring up that? | ||
| That's not what we're really talking about. | ||
| Whataboutism. | ||
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Yeah, yeah. | |
| Not even whataboutism. | ||
| That's a part of it, but also slippery. | ||
|
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Yeah, yeah, yeah. | |
| You'll never pin me down into taking an actual position on whatever it is is real. | ||
| Except the thing I'm prepared to talk about, not saying I'm going to have X, Y, or Z narrative about. | ||
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Right, right. | |
| It's like a Republican debate. | ||
| When I see this sort of behavior from Alex, when I see him have the civilian labor camp program document, On camera! | ||
| And he's just reading the headings on it with no analysis, no seeming awareness of what it's talking about, nothing. | ||
| I just see a shell. | ||
| I see an angry, certainly loquacious shell. | ||
| It's just someone who's good at fucking rambling and doing stuff, but no one has forced him to do this. | ||
| No one. | ||
| God forced him, Dan! | ||
| God didn't force him to prove that FEMA camps exist. | ||
| That sounds wrong. | ||
| But he's fucking trying. | ||
| And he's failing so hard. | ||
| His biggest piece of evidence that he brought up at the beginning of this and brings up as the big news, he doesn't even understand. | ||
| He doesn't know how to have a conversation about it. | ||
| And that, to me, is deeply depressing. | ||
| He's trying his best through this. | ||
| You see that? | ||
| As we get to this point in his debunking, he's just got to throw whatever spaghetti he can at the wall, and he brings up a narrative that we have seen recently. | ||
| This is a new one. | ||
| So that's part of the preparation. | ||
| Guardsmen to conduct urban training at Arcadia in April. | ||
| This is going on scale back now. | ||
| It says in this article, going door to door asking if they can search homes looking for weapons. | ||
| And they practice raiding the local gun shop. | ||
| This is for domestic operations. | ||
| The only way you would ever have that perception is if you read the Infowars article about it. | ||
|
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Yeah. | |
| Because that's not what happened. | ||
| It was an exercise. | ||
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Yeah. | |
| Everyone was in on it. | ||
| This is all a bunch of nonsense. | ||
| That one's such a bummer. | ||
| That's weak. | ||
| That one's such a bummer. | ||
| Like, that one's a bummer. | ||
| To the point where you're like... | ||
| Fuck, man. | ||
| Come on. | ||
| Just leave that one out. | ||
| Leave it out. | ||
| You've already got nothing. | ||
| Don't add less than nothing to it. | ||
| And that one happened two weeks ago or something like that in the timeline in 2009. | ||
| We covered that. | ||
| This shouldn't be a piece of your mythology. | ||
| No. | ||
| If you're talking about FEMA camps and you're going back to executive orders that Kennedy put out. | ||
| Right. | ||
| You have a 50-year span to get your information from, and one of the things you're going to throw out is a lie from two weeks ago. | ||
| Yep. | ||
| You are fucking dead in the water. | ||
| This sucks. | ||
| This sucks. | ||
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Yeah. | |
| So bad. | ||
| Yeah, yeah, yeah. | ||
| So at this point, I'm going to say he's done his bit. | ||
| Like, this is it. | ||
| Oh, that was it? | ||
| I mean, we're not done. | ||
| We have a couple more clips. | ||
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Oh, okay. | |
| So I assume that... | ||
| We have two more clips. | ||
| I assume that Glenn Beck... | ||
| Exploded in a fire of preemptive debunking. | ||
| I'll talk about Glenn Beck's piece a little bit. | ||
| I was thinking about pulling clips from his debunking. | ||
| Nah, I'm good without ever hearing. | ||
| I'm really good without ever hearing him again. | ||
| His version of it was he had this guy from Popular Mechanics on. | ||
| By the way, spoiler alert. | ||
| I didn't pull this clip, but Alex is like, Popular Mechanics, they were so wrong about 9-11. | ||
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I'm like, Alex. | |
| That is not a criticism you can levy against popular fucking mechanics. | ||
| No, you can. | ||
| They were involved in a debunking of... | ||
| They were involved in 9-11? | ||
| They were involved in a lot of... | ||
| Saudi Arabia owners of... | ||
| Saudi Arabia funds the opposition to popular mechanics. | ||
| Okay, fair enough. | ||
| Fair enough. | ||
| They did some articles about the ideas about... | ||
| The sort of physics of 9-11 conspiracy theories being wrong. | ||
| Alex takes great issue with that. | ||
| So the idea is that he's saying that they were wrong about 9-11. | ||
| And to that I rebut. | ||
| How many versions of loose change have existed, Alex? | ||
| Is it more than five? | ||
| Because it is. | ||
| Wait. | ||
| One. | ||
| There's a lot of information that you threw at me right there. | ||
| Sorry about that. | ||
| One. | ||
| Popular mechanics. | ||
| Ran a debunking 9-11 conspiracy theories? | ||
| Well, they're into mechanics. | ||
| They're into, like, engineering. | ||
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I mean, yeah, no, no. | |
| I get that. | ||
| The idea of, like, construction. | ||
| These arguments that are being made about, like, the idea that this building couldn't fall at X, Y, or Z speed. | ||
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Right, right. | |
| See, now I'm more interested. | ||
| It's relevant to the academic end of... | ||
| That's on me. | ||
| I'm way more interested in reading Popular Mechanics now, because I assumed that it was very close to, like, a bodybuilding magazine. | ||
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No. | |
| But it's just... | ||
| It's just for mechanics instead of... | ||
| It's somewhere in the middle. | ||
| Like, there's a lot of shit articles and stuff like that, but there's also some... | ||
| It's a magazine. | ||
| Magazines have shit articles. | ||
| I get it. | ||
| I'm not going to bat for popular mechanics. | ||
| No, I mean, I get it. | ||
| I'm going to bat against loose change. | ||
| Alex's documentary, like, he produced the documentary, and, like, the idea that he's saying that they were wrong about 9-11, and then in the same breath, being fine with doing what he did. | ||
| About 9-11. | ||
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Yeah. | |
| When Loose Change had to keep redoing what their movie was because their shit kept being proven wrong. | ||
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Right. | |
| Like, you understand that's what Loose Change did. | ||
| Oh, no, no. | ||
| I thought you meant in an abstract sense of like, oh, you made Loose Change, but other people have made the same documentary. | ||
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No. | |
| You mean that there were literally six different versions of Loose Change because it was so wrong. | ||
| Yep. | ||
| Gotcha. | ||
| I did not understand that whatsoever. | ||
| It kept happening. | ||
| That's brutal. | ||
| Dylan Avery and Jason Burmus was involved as well. | ||
| They kept making new versions of it because things were like, that can't stand. | ||
| And so they just kept making new versions of it. | ||
| I appreciate that impulse. | ||
| And Alex is fine with like, my name is very clearly associated with that in terms of the legacy of 9-11 Truth. | ||
| I'm not going to say that Popular Mechanics is... | ||
| All right. | ||
| I'm not going to say they're right on all fronts, but I'm going to say that I'm going to side with them over that. | ||
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Yeah. | |
| So, Glenn Beck has this guy from Popular Mechanics on, and their interview is fucking boring as shit. | ||
|
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Yeah. | |
| Alex is fairly close to correct in the predictions that he makes about, like, the idea that they're going to go to these FEMA camps that aren't FEMA camps and stuff like that. | ||
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Sure, sure, sure. | |
| These videos online that everyone says are FEMA camps. | ||
| This was Mark from New York's plan all along. | ||
| Totally. | ||
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Yeah. | |
| And to get his kids back. | ||
| That's step three. | ||
| That's step three, for sure. | ||
| So, there is, like, there is that kernel of, like, I think if I were Alex in 2009, and I were a gambling man, and I didn't have a mole in Glenn Beck's program. | ||
| I didn't have a Mark. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| I would probably just bank on, like, he has to do a TV show. | ||
| He's not going to get into the weeds. | ||
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Right. | |
| He's not going to do anything super sensational. | ||
| He's only got so much time. | ||
| He doesn't have, say, four hours plus whatever discretionary time period that he wants in order to broadcast the reality of the situation. | ||
| He's just going to respond to the most popular internet things about this. | ||
| Right. | ||
| What are the most popular internet things about it? | ||
| They're fake videos of people going to fake FEMA camps. | ||
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Of course. | |
| So I don't think... | ||
| I wouldn't think that there's any threat. | ||
| From Glenn Beck. | ||
| There is just a necessity to do something. | ||
| No, there's only insecurity. | ||
| Right. | ||
| There's no threat. | ||
| He could have run a... | ||
| After Glenn Beck's episode, he could have run a whole long list of like, here's Glenn Beck's point, and then I'm going to deflect away from it and do that. | ||
| I would argue that's even unnecessary. | ||
| No, it's absolutely unnecessary. | ||
| But in terms of pettiness, it makes way more sense than to... | ||
| Does he preemptively be wrong at Glenn Beck? | ||
| He's not wrong about his predictions about what Glenn Beck is going to say. | ||
| He's wrong about all of the things he's saying. | ||
| See, that's what I'm saying. | ||
| He's preemptively wrong about all the things that he's saying. | ||
| If I were his, like, advisor, if I was, like, his worm tongue, I would be like, don't even worry. | ||
| We gotta stop. | ||
| Don't worry about this. | ||
| We gotta stop giving him advice. | ||
| It doesn't matter. | ||
| Even in 2009, we gotta stop. | ||
| We've been giving him advice. | ||
| For so long. | ||
| I'd be like, don't even worry about this. | ||
| Put on some sunglasses and be like Spuds McKenzie. | ||
| Get drunk in the studio and just be like, Glenn Beck sucks! | ||
| It doesn't matter. | ||
| Ride it out. | ||
| Hey, hold on, 2018 Dan. | ||
| Don't talk to 2018 Alex. | ||
| Take the high ground of just being cooler than him. | ||
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Yeah. | |
| Because you can't prove your points. | ||
| It's been demonstrated. | ||
| Well, because they're not true. | ||
| That's a part of it. | ||
| That's a problem. | ||
| That's a big problem. | ||
| Those are two things. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| Come together to make a very serious problem for your argument. | ||
| Don't try a triple Lindy if you can't land it. | ||
| That's kind of the argument I would make to Alex. | ||
| I feel like you just invalidated cool runnings. | ||
| I feel like Alex is now the Jamaican bobsled team, Dan, and you are ruining it for everyone. | ||
| Here's the problem with your metaphor. | ||
| Those people worked hard, trained, and then attempted. | ||
| And had skills relevant to being a bobsled team. | ||
| That's true. | ||
| The reason that no one said that Jamaica could have a bobsled team was that it was absurd to think they could. | ||
| Not because they didn't have the goods. | ||
| They could run. | ||
| There were, like, wheeled carts. | ||
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Yeah, yeah. | |
| That sort of thing. | ||
| All of the relevant skills and the training is possible. | ||
| I think that Alex just doesn't have the goods. | ||
| This is a zero. | ||
| I know that I'm just... | ||
| Here's the problem for me. | ||
| What's the problem for you? | ||
| My problem is that I think that we're giving the real lay of the land. | ||
| We're giving the topography here and all that. | ||
| But there's so much more. | ||
| And all the stuff I've cut out, all the stuff is just... | ||
| Unsubstantive, random bullshit. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| I assure you of that. | ||
| I just want to be clear because we have heard nothing here. | ||
| Like, literally, we've heard nothing. | ||
| And that's why I'm getting really defensive about this. | ||
| Not on my sake. | ||
| It's because Alex has done an hour and 20 minutes of talking about his defense of FEMA camps. | ||
| And all we've heard is him... | ||
| Moving the goalposts. | ||
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Right. | |
| Mentioning executive orders that he got from a fear chain email that aren't real. | ||
| We've heard news stories that are about different things, not about the things he's talking about. | ||
| We've heard a couple of oblique references to the Iran-Contra scandal. | ||
| We've heard the civilian inmate labor program, which is a different conversation we should be having. | ||
| None of this is real. | ||
| You're concerned that the fact that you're putting together a damning indictment of the fact that he has nothing to say is going to come off as though it was you editing it in such a way that it looks like he has nothing to say. | ||
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100%. | |
| As opposed to him actually having nothing to say. | ||
| Yes, 100%. | ||
| Yeah, yeah, yeah. | ||
| No, no, no. | ||
| Because it would be so easy to do that. | ||
| No, no, no. | ||
| And if this was your... | ||
| Look, we have done... | ||
| 700 episodes. | ||
| It's our New Year's episode. | ||
| We might as well say we've done two years of this shit. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| If this was your moment to suddenly betray all of our trust... | ||
| It would be a real, real coup d 'etat. | ||
| It would be an amazing fucking turn for you. | ||
| That's the old turn. | ||
| I'm Hollywood Hogan all of a sudden. | ||
| No, no, no. | ||
| It's you holding pocket aces for two years of the goddamn World Series of Pokers. | ||
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It would be bananas. | |
| I'm turning into N-N-N-W-O. | ||
| It's me, Scott Hall, Kevin Nash. | ||
| There you go. | ||
| People like wrestling references, and I haven't done one in a while. | ||
| No, I know. | ||
| I understand that. | ||
| But the only reason I bring this up is, for me, I honestly think that this is maybe an episode of our show in terms of importance. | ||
| But this is a varsity-level episode of Alex's show. | ||
| This needs to be where he comes correct. | ||
| And I don't want anyone to think that I'm misrepresenting this. | ||
| I know that I just keep coming back to this. | ||
| You articulated it perfectly. | ||
| It's just, I have to stress, I'm not. | ||
| The stuff that is not included in the clips is so boring, stupid nonsense of him just randomly referencing dumb shit that isn't specific, all the stuff like, I have secret documents, blah, blah, blah. | ||
| Right, right, right. | ||
| That sort of stuff. | ||
| Right. | ||
| So, we get to this point, and Alex says this, which stinks. | ||
| And I've gone over most of this, you know, there's a lot of other... | ||
| Pieces of news I haven't gotten into. | ||
| Why not? | ||
| In association with all of this. | ||
| But I've shown you the New York Times and the Wall Street Journal admitting camps. | ||
| I've shown you Senate hearings. | ||
| I've shown you Congress threatened with martial law. | ||
| He's shown you the New York Times and Washington Post. | ||
| That's the references to the KBR articles. | ||
| And Brad Sherman is his only reference to Congress being threatened with martial law. | ||
| Also Jim Inhofe, but it's the exact same situation. | ||
| Yeah, and Jim Inhofe is a piece of shit. | ||
| Sure. | ||
| They don't do what they're told. | ||
| I've shown you all the documents where they're getting the states ready for martial law. | ||
| They've reintroduced the National Compulsory Service under H.R. 1444. | ||
| It says for mandatory national service. | ||
| Defense Department announces civilian expeditionary workforce in Pentagon Directive 1404.10. | ||
| I mean, don't just sit there and say I'm making this up. | ||
| Go to the Army's website. | ||
| Go to the Pentagon. | ||
| It says management retains the authority to direct and assign civilian employees either voluntarily or involuntarily or on an unexpected basis to accomplish DOD mission. | ||
| So see, they're saying they're going to create a 7 million man. | ||
| That was in the New York Times. | ||
| A 7 million man? | ||
| I kept saying a million. | ||
| Because Obama said as big as our army, as big as the military. | ||
| That'd be a million people. | ||
| They say 7 million now. | ||
| And that they're going to draft you into this, and they'll decide. | ||
| No more draft boards if you stay here or if you go overseas. | ||
| And it's 1404.10. | ||
| This is just that Department of Defense Directive 1404.10 talked about it. | ||
| He's misrepresenting what civilian means. | ||
| It's non-military employees that work for the Department of Defense. | ||
| They can be drafted, in heavy quotes, in order to... | ||
| Essential personnel can be made to go overseas. | ||
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Like literally the ones who are fucking unpaid as we speak. | |
| Or you can... | ||
| Oh, that's a good point. | ||
| Yeah! | ||
| But also, even in 2009, all this, when this was happening, like, if you don't want to do that, you can quit. | ||
| It's a job. | ||
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Yeah. | |
| It's a gig. | ||
| It's a part of the Department of Defense. | ||
| Still a gig. | ||
| Yep. | ||
| It's not forcing you into anything. | ||
| It's nonsense. | ||
| The idea that he's saying that, first of all, they're going to draft civilians into it is a misunderstanding of the word civilian in there. | ||
| And then secondarily, are you kidding me? | ||
| The fucking idea that they're trying to create some sort of a group of people that's seven times the army. | ||
| Seven times the army of our country. | ||
| The biggest, most funded army in the world. | ||
| We're going to create a seven times that for Obama's... | ||
| Hold on! | ||
| Excuse me, Colonel Fuckface. | ||
| I'm not going to go to Iraq. | ||
| I'm not gonna do your fucking dirty bidding. | ||
| I quit. | ||
| Okay. | ||
| Oh, is that really how it works? | ||
| I think it is. | ||
| Yeah, I think we just role-played exactly how that would go. | ||
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Oh, okay. | |
| Well, I mean, I could still use Paycheck, though, so, like... | ||
| Well, we're going to do our best to make sure you don't have to go, because it sounds like you have a problem with the idea. | ||
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Right, right, right. | |
| Could you put me in a different department? | ||
| Well, you are essential personnel, so maybe you could accept a position that's at a sort of a slightly less essential. | ||
| You'd have to take a pay cut, probably, but probably arrange that. | ||
| I mean, I suppose my principals do demand that I move departments. | ||
| Is that cool? | ||
| I guess so. | ||
| Oh, okay. | ||
| So what about this Alex Jones character? | ||
| Is he fucking with me? | ||
| He's not on the level. | ||
| Okay, well then in that case, can I go back to my old job? | ||
| Yeah, sure. | ||
| Okay, cool. | ||
| I think that's how it would go. | ||
| All right. | ||
| We've had a great time. | ||
| I'm not an improv guy. | ||
| I don't think you need to. | ||
| I think that was a literal one-to-one. | ||
| But I also think what's really interesting about that last clip is that you can tell at the beginning of it, at least, that Alex thinks he's proved his point. | ||
| Like, he really thinks that, like, I have done it. | ||
| I've made this clear. | ||
| I've shown you all this stuff. | ||
| And he hasn't shown anybody anything. | ||
| His pride in how spectacularly wrong he has been is kind of admirable. | ||
| In a certain sense. | ||
| It's deeply fucked up. | ||
| Yes. | ||
| Because of how bad all of this stuff is. | ||
| Like, how flimsy all of it is. | ||
| And how nothing. | ||
| Yeah, flimsy suggests that there is something to flim. | ||
| He has brought nothing. | ||
| So, here is the last clip. | ||
| And Alex makes his closing remarks. | ||
| And I think that this is a really interesting... | ||
| And it's rare that I will say, bike down for a last clip. | ||
| Ooh, that's surprising. | ||
| But I need you to hear all of this. | ||
| Because what it does is it ties together why we were talking about that murder at the beginning of the episode and how that relates to Alex Jones talking about the FEMA camp stuff. | ||
| You are so good at bringing the hammer. | ||
| You can read the civilian inmate labor camp program document. | ||
| Army regulation. | ||
| 210-35. | ||
| I mean, come on. | ||
| Don't be lazy. | ||
| Google it right now. | ||
| You'll be at army.mil. | ||
| I did that. | ||
| I mean, you want to see the facts? | ||
| Go right ahead. | ||
| There it is. | ||
| I mean, all I'm doing is researching this all day long. | ||
| And what do I get? | ||
| I get the raw story and a bunch of other magazines and newspapers saying I'm crazy. | ||
| It says... | ||
| That the cop killer got his ideas from the off-the-wall Alex Jones prison planet saying that U.S. troops in Homeland to engage in crowd control and they just say I'm making it up when I'm linked to the Army Times and Washington Post. | ||
| I mean, I'm not bad here. | ||
| I mean, it is scary. | ||
| This is going to cause clashes between the people and the government. | ||
| It's not my fault. | ||
| It's your fault. | ||
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Silver is mankind's oldest natural antibiotic. | |
| I left that in there for fun there at the end. | ||
| It's not my fault, it's your fault, is what it all comes down to. | ||
| That is what he's trying to express. | ||
| Even when he's doing this debunking of Glenn Beck's supposed debunking of the FEMA camps, it's still just on some level a defense of like, I don't want to feel bad. | ||
| I did not expect you to drop that particular hammer. | ||
| I didn't expect it to happen either. | ||
| Wait, so... | ||
| So what just happened was this entire rambling nonsense non-debunking of somebody else's non-debunking show was really about him justifying himself not being the cause of the murder of three cops. | ||
| I mean, I don't think it was meant to be, but because of Alex's psychology, that is how it ends. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| Like, that to me was... | ||
| Like, much more revealing than anything he said in the actual debunking. | ||
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Yeah. | |
| Like, that, to me, that's how you're... | ||
| And going out with Wipeout is super funny. | ||
| Yeah, he might as well have been like, hey, those three cops, they wiped out. | ||
| It turns out that, like, maybe the board ops have been trolling him for a lot longer than we realize, because, like, that's hilarious. | ||
| I want to know those guys. | ||
| Because that's a Wipeout. | ||
| I imagine that there have been, like, 15 different guys who have worked the board. | ||
| And every time he's like, okay, well, I'm going to let you train the next guy. | ||
| I know you've resigned. | ||
| Stay on for another couple of weeks. | ||
| Train the next guy. | ||
| And the entire two weeks is them being like, okay, so here's how you fuck with Alex using the music drops. | ||
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All right. | |
| When he's getting real weird. | ||
| Okay, this one is wackadoo. | ||
| Block, wreck, and beats. | ||
| Go! | ||
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Now! | |
| When he's saying something pervy and just pausing a lot. | ||
| Block rock and beats. | ||
| Yeah, for sure. | ||
| When he's making an argument that he's failing in, throw in, wipe out. | ||
| Everyone listening will get it. | ||
| There's like a flow chart. | ||
| There's a flow chart. | ||
| So we're done with the clips and we're done with his like... | ||
| Whatever it is that he does. | ||
| I mean, I don't know. | ||
| I don't know what to say about this. | ||
| Right. | ||
| This is like... | ||
| I hate to use Alex's own cosmology, but this is Colonel Travis at the Alamo. | ||
| He'd cloistered himself into a bubble. | ||
| And yet somehow less competent. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| But he'd cloistered himself into a bubble where he had to prove his points. | ||
| And he did not. | ||
| He did not. | ||
| The only evidence that he was able to provide, I am very able to debunk all of it. | ||
| It's all... | ||
| Nonsense. | ||
| It's all shit. | ||
| Or all misdirections. | ||
| The idea of the civilian labor inmate program. | ||
| That is real. | ||
| And that's a conversation we all should fucking have. | ||
| But the way he's having that conversation is bullshit. | ||
| And it's only in service of trying to prop up his bullshit. | ||
| He's not having the right conversation about that. | ||
| So even the things that are true and are real are misused. | ||
| And so... | ||
| I come to the end of this, and I'm like, fail. | ||
| You failed. | ||
| You failed. | ||
| You failed 100%. | ||
| And when you dismount, it's the last thing you say. | ||
| After this, he rambles for a break and then has Max Keiser. | ||
| Who gives a shit? | ||
| But this is the end of the FEMA camp stuff, and his parting shot is, it's not my fault, it's your fault. | ||
| That sort of thing implies to me that I don't think that that's where it comes from. | ||
| Because he was putting this off. | ||
| He was trying to do this for at least a month. | ||
| Like, trying to do the, like, I'm going to debunk Glenn Beck's debunking. | ||
| He's been putting that off, but I wanted him to come fucking correct. | ||
| Because I wanted a good gladiator to meet me in the field of battle. | ||
| Right, of course. | ||
| I wanted, I love this podcast. | ||
| You wanted to test yourself against the best. | ||
| Exactly. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| I love you, and I love this podcast, and I love what we do. | ||
| I wanted this episode to be Alex Jones, nose to the grindstone, head to the stars. | ||
| He is just there, working his ass off, trying to make sure that you know that he has never been lying about FEMA camps, and it's all fucking true. | ||
| And from the jump, as soon as he started talking about it, it's like... | ||
| Oh, you don't know the difference between the National Security Council and the Department of National Security. | ||
| Yes. | ||
| That's a problem. | ||
| Yes. | ||
| And then we go from there and every single other piece is just misrepresentations and lies. | ||
| Like, I wanted, even if he got off to that hiccup, even if you just like, okay, FEMA is controlled by the National Security Council, even if he had just that mistake, I would have forgiven it. | ||
| If the other things he was saying were like, Some sort of proof of his conspiracy. | ||
| And they weren't. | ||
| It started bad, it middled bad, and it finished bad. | ||
| This is like a bad comedy show that you go to. | ||
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I was just sitting there like, no, no. | |
| No, you wanted fucking Black Panther, where Michael B. Jordan has a goddamn point, man. | ||
| You know what? | ||
| He's wrong. | ||
| That's not the right way to do things. | ||
| But I'll be goddamned if I didn't watch Black Panther and say, I get why you're wrong, but I'm kind of on your team. | ||
| I don't know! | ||
| That's what you wanted Alex to have. | ||
| You wanted him to be the anti-hero that you rooted for because his motivations were built inside of this place of like, yeah! | ||
| I get it. | ||
| Your issues are real. | ||
| And we can have a more robust conversation about that. | ||
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For sure. | |
| Other than, he's wrong about this, he's wrong about this, this is wrong. | ||
| And it was so easy to show that so many of those things were wrong. | ||
| The only thing that, like, I think really, if we look back in this entire episode, I think the only thing that was like... | ||
| Marginally interesting that he brought up was the idea of governors having power over the National Guard, which I think is a really weirdly specific thing for us to be like, I have conflicting opinions about it. | ||
| Of this whole FEMA camp is the devil episode for us to be like, well, the separation of powers is kind of... | ||
| Well, because stuff like the civilian labor camp sounds like, yeah, we're 100% of them. | ||
| Let's go fuck yourself. | ||
| This is part of slavery. | ||
| This is the remnants of slavery in America. | ||
| For real, there's slavery. | ||
| Guys, fuck off. | ||
| There's really slavery. | ||
| Yeah, the only thing that's interesting at all is stuff like that. | ||
| And it's like... | ||
| Alex, you're on the wrong side of this. | ||
| You're not even really talking about it in any meaningful way. | ||
| What the fuck are we doing? | ||
| It's crazy to me. | ||
| It's crazy. | ||
| And I know, I understand this. | ||
| I recognize this as I'm saying it, and I know that everyone listening will recognize this. | ||
| It's deeply, deeply fucked up for me to be so disappointed in him. | ||
| It's so fucked up. | ||
| I've been listening to him for years. | ||
| I know. | ||
| I don't know why I keep thinking he's going to show up. | ||
| Like, I don't know why. | ||
| It's crazy. | ||
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It's crazy that I still hope it's the Andy Lee review thing. | |
| It is! | ||
| Oh my god, it is! | ||
| Oh my god, it is! | ||
| There's some part of me that thinks there's something he's gonna... | ||
| Tomorrow he's gonna get it right. | ||
| He's gonna turn that corner. | ||
| And he's not. | ||
| Alex is a fucking idiot. | ||
| And he is a racist. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| And, like, just wrong. | ||
| Like, just factually wrong. | ||
| Right. | ||
| And that's never going to change. | ||
| I think it's that he so often talks about topics that we're like... | ||
| Oh, if you would just make... | ||
| Because it's not far. | ||
| It's not far from his narrative. | ||
| It's like, if you would just turn it from this thing to not even 180 degrees, to 10 degrees in the right direction, all of a sudden, yeah, everyone's having a conversation about slavery, which is what we still allow. | ||
| You know? | ||
| If you had just done 10 degrees, it's not a lot. | ||
| It's not a huge difference. | ||
| It's very close. | ||
| But instead, you're like, oh, I'm going to go back to white identity. | ||
| No! | ||
| Come on, man! | ||
| Safe. | ||
| It's a safe harbor. | ||
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Oh, no! | |
| Just a little bit! | ||
| So, Jordan, I'm very glad that this is our last episode of the year. | ||
| And I'd like to say thank you to everyone who has listened to our podcast over this year. | ||
| This year has been amazing. | ||
| This year has been insane. | ||
| If we look at the end of 2018 as opposed to where we were at the end of 2017, it's completely nuts. | ||
| There's a lot of people who were on board a year ago who are still there. | ||
| And we love you. | ||
| We appreciate you so much. | ||
| And if you jump ship... | ||
| Totally get it. | ||
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Totally get it. | |
| But there's been so much growth. | ||
| Like, it's crazy, and I can't say how much I appreciate how much everyone is awesome. | ||
| It's nuts to me that people have warmed to us the way they have, because our show is something that is so fucking stupid. | ||
| The idea that you and I sit around and talk about Alex Jones, and I appreciate that so very much. | ||
| It really does mean the world. | ||
| I can't. | ||
| I can't end this year without saying, from the bottom of my fucking heart, you all are so amazing. | ||
| You make this all worthwhile, because if I were sitting around just researching Alex Jones and finding out funny ways to talk about him... | ||
| That would be fucking deeply depressing. | ||
| Which you would do without this show. | ||
| I probably would. | ||
| Which you would do without this show. | ||
| As evidenced by the first three months of our show where almost nobody was listening. | ||
| If we had never met, you would still be doing Freeze and Point, but it would just be about Alex Jones. | ||
| You would be gone, probably. | ||
| If things hadn't gone pretty well, you would be gone. | ||
| And I would be talking to Cthulhu. | ||
| Come on, man. | ||
| Come on. | ||
| I appreciate it so much. | ||
| And you do too. | ||
| This is a love fest in some way here at the end. | ||
| But I think it's important. | ||
| I think it's meaningful. | ||
| We're ending the year. | ||
| 2019 is going to be an amazing year for all of us. | ||
| I think so. | ||
| Thank you to everyone. | ||
| Thank you for listening. | ||
| Thank you for changing my life in a very specific way. | ||
| And we'll see... | ||
| Your life's been changed in a specific way? | ||
| Yeah, yeah, yeah. | ||
| No, no, no. | ||
| I have gout. | ||
| Because I keep playing... | ||
| Oh, I thought it was because I keep playing... | ||
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No, no, no. | |
| You gave me gout. | ||
| You gave me gout. | ||
| Dan. | ||
| Well, that's unfortunate. | ||
| Because of Alex Jones, I have gout. | ||
| Well, I should also say that I have the vapors. | ||
| What is gout? | ||
| Also, I am hanging out with the whispers lately. | ||
| Gout's like too much uric acid? | ||
| I don't know. | ||
| Here's the deal. | ||
| Policy wonks. | ||
| Everyone out there. | ||
| Friends. | ||
| Romans. | ||
| Countrymen. | ||
| We will be back next episode, but until then, I will say, Jordan, we have a website. | ||
| Do we? | ||
| Yep. | ||
| What is it? | ||
| Knowledgefight.com? | ||
| That's correct. | ||
| Alright. | ||
| Okay, hold on. | ||
| So we have a website. | ||
| Yep. | ||
| Of which you are going to release the wiki, which is a big part of news that you are not... | ||
| Honestly, by the... | ||
| You are releasing a goddamn wiki of all the shit that we have covered for the most part. | ||
| Because it'll never be done. | ||
| But the point being, Dan, you have accomplished something that is... | ||
| Fucking incredible! | ||
| And you refuse to take credit for it. | ||
| So I will give it to you here. | ||
| But thank you. | ||
| No, it'll never be done. | ||
| I haven't accomplished it yet, but I'm... | ||
| Dude, life isn't done. | ||
| Kernels of accomplishment. | ||
| Damn, life isn't done. | ||
| And if you're listening to this as this comes out, it should be live on knowledgefight.com tomorrow. | ||
| Right, right, right. | ||
| So... | ||
| On the new year. | ||
| In honor of that wiki, if you want to find us on Twitter, go fuck yourself. | ||
| Go fuck yourself. | ||
| Go to knowledgefight.com. | ||
| If you want to find us on Facebook, I'll see you in hell because you need to go to knowledgefight.com. | ||
| And do you know who has never killed a guy? | ||
| I don't know. | ||
| Dan. | ||
| That's true. | ||
| I never killed anybody. | ||
| You know who probably has technically killed a guy? | ||
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One time. | |
| Don't you dare tell me you've killed a man now. | ||
| One time. | ||
| One time, I got really high with a guy. | ||
| Oh my god. | ||
| I don't know what the fuck I was doing. | ||
|
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I don't know why you're telling this story. | |
| I don't know why. | ||
| When I was 18, 19, that range, I don't know why, but I would just hang out with anybody. | ||
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I'm waiting for cops to descend in from the windows. | |
| I hung out with hobos very frequently. | ||
| Homeless people. | ||
| I just would hang out with them. | ||
| I didn't give a shit. | ||
| I liked people. | ||
| I liked having conversations with people. | ||
| Ended up being weird. | ||
| I was very able to deal with it, and I fucking loved it. | ||
| I don't know how this happened. | ||
| I was in a house I didn't know where I was. | ||
| I didn't know where I was. | ||
| I got really drunk. | ||
| I ended up in a house. | ||
| Who knows? | ||
| I'm smoking a blunt with a guy, and he starts telling me about how he accidentally killed a guy. | ||
| Like, this guy committed manslaughter. | ||
| This guy was trying to kill him. | ||
| And he ended up having to stab him. | ||
| That's self-defense. | ||
| It was terrifying. | ||
| Not technically manslaughter. | ||
| I understand that. | ||
| No, I think it was. | ||
| See, now you're adding more parts of the story. | ||
| I don't want to get into the nuances of it. | ||
| He killed a guy in self-defense. | ||
| He didn't tell me that until like three hits into the blunt. | ||
| So we're already pretty... | ||
| Yeah, you're fucked up. | ||
| And I'm drunk coming into it. | ||
| Yeah, you're solidly in the back. | ||
| I had to kill a guy. | ||
| What? | ||
| What? | ||
| Turned into a terrible night of my life talking to this guy about what the experience was of watching a person die. | ||
| And he was like, also I have a radio show in Austin. | ||
| No, because this guy was really fucked up about it. | ||
| It really affected him. | ||
| Oh, it hurt him. | ||
| It really deeply affected him. | ||
| Yeah, like it fucking should if you're a human goddamn being. | ||
| And he only did it because it was murder that was coming at him. | ||
| Life or death. | ||
| I don't judge him at all. | ||
| Not necessarily because the story that he told me made entire sense. | ||
|
unidentified
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Right. | |
| And he was deeply struggling with the fact that he accidentally killed a guy. | ||
|
unidentified
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Right, right, right. | |
| One guy who doesn't care about the fact that he technically accidentally killed a guy. | ||
| Goddammit, that is a good transition. | ||
| Is Alex Jones. | ||
| Andy in Kansas, you're on the air. | ||
| Thanks for holding. | ||
|
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Hello, Alex. | |
| I'm a first-time caller. | ||
| I'm a huge fan. | ||
| I love your work. |