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June 5, 2017 - Knowledge Fight
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#49: July 6-13. 2015

Today, Dan tells Jordan all about the third installment of his investigation into what happened to Alex Jones in 2015 to get him on board with the Trump campaign. Topics covered include: What InfoWars employee's uncle is investigating Sandy Hook? What is a "controlled rage?" Does Larry Nichols outdo himself in terms of dumb theories? How mad can one man get at a trailer for an MTV show?

Participants
Main voices
a
alex jones
27:00
d
dan friesen
01:16:31
j
jordan holmes
44:00
Appearances
l
larry nichols
02:53
Clips
b
barack obama
00:07
d
david knight
00:34
g
gerald celente
00:32
j
jalen martin
00:03
r
rob dew
00:31
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Speaker Time Text
alex jones
Andy in Kansas, you're on the air.
Thanks for holding.
unidentified
Hello, Alex.
jordan holmes
I'm a first-time caller.
unidentified
I'm a huge fan.
I love your work.
alex jones
I love you.
dan friesen
Hey, everybody.
Welcome back to Knowledge Fight.
I'm Dan.
jordan holmes
I'm Jordan.
dan friesen
This is a podcast where we are two dudes who like to sit around to drink novelty beverages and talk about Alex Jones.
jordan holmes
Yeah, to my great chagrin today, you have purchased and sat in front of me.
unidentified
Let me start by saying, whoop, whoop.
jordan holmes
We will be drinking.
Delicious cotton candy Faygo.
unidentified
Yeah.
jordan holmes
A soda so brazen that it bothers to say, nah, we got nothing but carbonated water and high fructose corn syrup.
dan friesen
We family up in here, man.
jordan holmes
No fruit juice, no nothing.
dan friesen
Love it.
jordan holmes
It's water with sugar in it.
Eat it, you ants.
dan friesen
And it's flavored like cotton candy, which is just sugar.
jordan holmes
Wow, that is candy.
dan friesen
That's great.
jordan holmes
That's fucking unbelievable.
dan friesen
So this is a podcast where I know a ton about Alex Jones, and you, sir, you do not.
jordan holmes
All I know is cotton candy in my mouth right now.
It tastes eerily like cotton candy, which is the most disgusting part of it.
dan friesen
That's something I've found with Faygo beverages in the past, is that they have weird flavors, but they nail it.
jordan holmes
Yeah, no, this is perfect.
It's eerie to drink cotton candy.
dan friesen
It is.
jordan holmes
It is.
dan friesen
It's something you don't want.
You don't want liquid where you expect solid, as it were.
I think there's a passage out of Lovecraft where it's truly horrifying to hear animal sounds where human sounds should come, or human sounds where animal sounds should come.
Anyway, this is not a Lovecraft podcast, although I mentioned him a bit.
But that's just because we're starting to live in an eldritch terror.
jordan holmes
Yeah, it does seem like the Elder Ones will be arising from the depths any moment now.
dan friesen
Yeah, Donald Trump's face is going to come off, he's going to have tentacles, and he's going to teach us new ways to kill and delight and revel.
jordan holmes
Man, that would make more sense than anything he's doing right now.
dan friesen
He does seem gelatinous.
unidentified
Yeah.
jordan holmes
He's starting to look like, what's his face from Men in Black?
The guy wearing the...
dan friesen
Vincent D 'Onofrio?
jordan holmes
Yeah, Vincent D 'Onofrio from Men in Black.
unidentified
Indeed.
jordan holmes
He looks like he's wearing another person.
dan friesen
I think my reference was better.
jordan holmes
I think mine is popular.
dan friesen
That's fair.
So, we are a podcast about Alex Jones, and we're going to get to it.
But first, before we do, I'd like to give a shout out to our new donator.
What's up, Leslie?
alex jones
I'm a policy wonk.
dan friesen
Thank you for donating and welcome to the team.
jordan holmes
Welcome to the policy wonks, Leslie.
dan friesen
If you would like to become a policy wonk, you may do so by donating to our Patreon.
There's a link up at knowledgefight.com.
We welcome all of those who are interested in policy.
jordan holmes
For the price of just one cup of coffee a day, you can give us one cup of coffee.
dan friesen
One cup of coffee a month.
I'm losing my mind.
jordan holmes
Yeah.
Yeah.
dan friesen
Anyway.
Jordan, today we are going to be embarking on our third installment of the investigation that I've been doing deep into the past of 2015, trying to figure out exactly what the fuck happened to Alex Jones.
jordan holmes
This has turned into one of the most exciting true crime podcasts out there.
dan friesen
It's not really a crime, though.
jordan holmes
It's all a crime.
dan friesen
It's a crime against humanity.
jordan holmes
It's a larger crime.
dan friesen
Yeah.
jordan holmes
No one dies, and yet at the same time, pretty much all of us are going to because of it.
dan friesen
There's no doubt about that.
This is the prologue to the...
Disaster.
jordan holmes
Yeah, exactly.
dan friesen
So we'll get to this installment, but because people have asked on Twitter, and you just asked me right before the show, I want to get everyone up to speed with what's going on in current day, because we're not going to cover it.
Last week was a shit show.
There was no show on Monday again because of Memorial Day.
jordan holmes
Right.
dan friesen
And then Tuesday, Roger Stone talked a whole bunch with Rick Derringer about I Am A Real American.
jordan holmes
To our everlasting delight.
dan friesen
Hulk Hogan's theme song.
Amazing.
Yep.
Wednesday, Mike Cernovich and Alex Jones announced their huge Kathy Griffin contest.
That's on Wednesday.
Thursday, they don't talk about that contest.
Because she'd already been fired!
jordan holmes
I knew it!
dan friesen
Fantastic!
It's still going on ostensibly, but Alex, he's moved on, and now he's super into how cool it is that Trump left the Paris Agreement.
jordan holmes
Great.
dan friesen
Because, in Alex Jones' conception, in his framework, the planet is carbon-starved.
There's not a carbon dioxide issue.
jordan holmes
No.
dan friesen
We have clean coal.
jordan holmes
I don't even want to hear the words you're saying right now.
I know.
dan friesen
That's why we're not going over it.
jordan holmes
You might as well be like, and rainbows are made of starlight and wishes.
That's what he's saying.
dan friesen
That's Rainbow Snatch.
jordan holmes
Oh, okay.
unidentified
There we go.
dan friesen
It's made of starlight and rainbows.
That's why we're not going to do an episode on it, because the whole episode is mostly Alex losing his mind and talking about...
He's still in his manic episode.
And so he's talking about how July 1st, 2017 will be the most important day in history.
And here's why.
It's because he believes that the way the globalists fund themselves is through this carbon tax that's been imposed.
Climate change isn't real.
It's all a charade to create a carbon tax that goes to Al Gore.
I don't know.
jordan holmes
Perfect.
dan friesen
I don't get the A to B there, but B that isn't A. Love it.
jordan holmes
Love it.
dan friesen
So he's celebrating this.
He's losing his shit.
He's going on and on about weird biblical stuff.
It's so strange.
He's talking about God's Eye and what have you.
jordan holmes
Oh, boy.
dan friesen
Which may or may not be a reference to Fast and Furious 6. Or Lord of the Rings.
jordan holmes
Could be that, too.
dan friesen
Or I think one of the Assassin's Creed games.
jordan holmes
Yeah, there was definitely that.
Oh, yeah.
dan friesen
So, we discussed it a little bit on the last episode that when he's in this sort of manic state, it's tough to talk about it without making fun of what is...
Sort of overt mental illness.
jordan holmes
Right.
dan friesen
So I don't want to talk about that.
And on the same token, the climate change stuff is just so loony that I don't want to make you...
jordan holmes
What's even the argument to make?
dan friesen
You would freak out.
jordan holmes
Well, yeah!
dan friesen
Listening to it...
jordan holmes
I'm already freaking out when you just said we're carbon starved.
I'm very angry.
dan friesen
I'm protecting my neighbors from your screams is what I'm doing.
jordan holmes
I am very rarely that low.
Calm down.
dan friesen
So, the other thing I want to talk about, along the same lines as the we shouldn't mock Alex Jones in the middle of a manic episode, it came out on the internet last week that Paul Joseph Watson eats books.
jordan holmes
Yes.
dan friesen
And I want to make it very clear that I hate him, his beliefs are stupid, but I resent everybody making fun of him for his alleged pica.
You know, that is a condition.
And I really don't like to see people, when he is so fucking open to attack for so many other things, all of these people making fun of him because he came out and admitted that he eats paper.
I don't think that's okay.
jordan holmes
He's a horrifying monster filled with transphobic, homophobic fucking hate.
Just a hate-filled monster.
dan friesen
And that's the target.
jordan holmes
And he should be absolutely eviscerated every single day of his life.
dan friesen
Yeah.
jordan holmes
Forever.
Like a Greek myth, his innards should be pulled from him every morning, he should heal, and it should happen again the very next day.
dan friesen
Except he has not brought us the torch of light.
He has not brought us any of that stuff.
jordan holmes
No, he's not a hero.
dan friesen
No.
And it's the same thing with when he...
jordan holmes
But also, he should...
Eat all the paper he wants.
I don't give a fuck about him eating paper.
Fuck you!
dan friesen
In the past, he's talked about how he's a bit of an agoraphobic and rarely leaves his apartment.
And again, that's a thing that I don't feel any interest in making fun of, and I empathize.
I feel bad for him in those instances.
So when I see people making fun of him, it bums me out because he sucks, but not for these reasons.
And it's unfair.
And it gives him an opportunity to re-attack back and be like, oh, isn't this the tolerant left, making fun of my mental illness?
It's a trap, but it's...
I'm not saying that he's faking it as a trap, but it is a trap you can fall into.
jordan holmes
Of course.
dan friesen
And it just really bums me out when people don't take the right attack plan on these assholes.
unidentified
Yeah.
dan friesen
It's just stick to the reality, don't insult them for things that are human.
unidentified
Right.
jordan holmes
Don't make fun of him for being afraid to leave his house.
Make him afraid to leave his house.
dan friesen
Make him more afraid to leave his house.
jordan holmes
Train vultures to attack him the moment he walks outside.
You can teach ravens to teach their own families to hate this man.
We need an army of birds.
I think that's where my mind is at right now.
Because, you know, they're the only ones who are going to survive once the rest of the earth is flooded.
dan friesen
Not if the owls have anything to say about it.
jordan holmes
Fucking peacocks, man.
dan friesen
We're going to start our investigation.
Today's episode is going to be covering the time span of July 6th to July 13th.
So, we're going to be going over that, but to give you guys a little bit of a last time on the investigation.
Alex Jones did not mention Donald Trump for a long time.
He spent a lot of time talking about a Chick-fil-A billboard and misrepresenting the Civil War.
jordan holmes
Yes.
dan friesen
You're up to speed.
jordan holmes
Why do we do three-hour episodes?
dan friesen
I don't know.
jordan holmes
This is a very good question.
If you just brought everybody up to speed in a two-second recap.
dan friesen
But that's because you can go back and listen to that three hours.
jordan holmes
Yeah, that's a good point.
dan friesen
On July 5th, Alex Jones very strongly indicated that he is fully aware of Trump's mob connections.
And so we go from...
Dismissal and not even talking about Trump to within a couple days, I think 16 days after Trump had announced his candidacy, Alex Jones is saying this guy is, you know, he's mobbed up.
jordan holmes
Right.
And I don't trust him.
He agrees with 95% of what Trump says, but he doesn't trust him.
dan friesen
He agrees with the distrust of immigrants.
jordan holmes
Right.
dan friesen
He agrees with that rhetoric, but he knows that Trump isn't going to follow through on it.
Also, at the end of our last episode, we revealed that Paul Joseph Watson also thinks that Trump is a shill and he's just in it for publicity and thinks he's a narcissist.
So that brings you up to speed.
We are now on July 6th.
July 6th is a fucked up show.
It's mostly phone calls.
Alex is sort of in a weird headspace and I don't think he really wants to do his show.
And so he takes a lot of phone calls, and they're all pretty boring.
jordan holmes
Right.
dan friesen
But in the times that he's not taking phone calls, it's a lot of race shit.
He talks a lot about guilt.
jordan holmes
Because we're still only a month out from the Charleston shooting.
dan friesen
Less than that.
It's been like three weeks or so.
Yeah.
So here is the first clip where we start with Alex explaining that he doesn't want this guilt.
alex jones
I want to explain something.
I'm pro-human.
I really don't care at the end of the day what color you are or where you came from.
If you support private property and the right to self-defense and you support a level playing field and you're not a wannabe social engineer trying to guilt me into feeling like I'm a bad person so I'll submit to whatever your agenda is, then I care about you and I want you to succeed.
There's two issues.
That this Donald Trump situation gives us a window into.
I don't trust Donald Trump as far as I can throw an elephant.
Everybody knows that.
That said, most of what he says makes a lot of sense, and I think he's a really smart guy.
The problem is he won't deliver on what he says he's going to do, in my experience.
He is an establishment shell.
That's just what my gut tells me and what I've seen and what a lot of insiders like Dr. Corsi and others say.
dan friesen
Jerome Corsi, now the Washington Bureau Chief for Infowars, who has known Donald Trump for 40 years and regularly goes to dinner with him, has told Alex in 2015 that Donald Trump is an establishment shill and he is just there for publicity.
jordan holmes
Well, yeah.
dan friesen
But this is, now he's saying one of his sources.
unidentified
Well, I mean, we all know that.
jordan holmes
We all knew that.
That's what he was.
Or is.
Et cetera.
dan friesen
But now, Drew, of course...
jordan holmes
I keep waiting for Alex to say that he can throw...
Like, the next show, he's like, Oh, also, I can throw an elephant as far as a human being can trust another human being.
alex jones
I love Donald Trump.
jordan holmes
Yeah.
That's his way out.
He's actually so strong he can throw an elephant a million miles.
dan friesen
He just sits there and is like, alright, Rob, do.
You gotta help me.
Trying to throw this elephant.
I will not be made a liar.
jordan holmes
Yeah, yeah, yeah.
Gonna Fly now is playing in the background.
We get a nice little Rocky montage.
dan friesen
So, I mean, I think that you're underplaying this revelation that Dr. Corsi is also on the same page.
Because Dr. Corsi is now a major player in Alex's propaganda.
He's a major player in pushing Trump.
jordan holmes
Right.
But, see, the thing that mitigates that for me is that everyone was like, nope, we don't want Trump, we don't want Trump, we don't want Trump, until it became apparent that they had to.
They had to like Trump.
dan friesen
So even his friends were saying that?
jordan holmes
Absolutely!
dan friesen
Okay.
jordan holmes
Does he have friends?
Come on!
unidentified
Apparently Dr. Corsi for 40 years.
jordan holmes
Dr. Corsi likes a free meal every now and again.
dan friesen
Sure.
I don't think Trump picks up the check.
jordan holmes
That's a good point.
Hey, unless they eat it exclusively at Trump's places.
dan friesen
That's possible.
jordan holmes
There you go.
dan friesen
But be that as it may, we have this reiteration of, I agree with this race shit that he's saying, this stuff, because the Trump situation that he's referring to is still...
Just the comments about the Mexicans.
Right.
unidentified
That's still what's going on.
dan friesen
Right.
unidentified
That's the only context that he covers Trump in pretty much, I think, throughout the entirety of this episode we're going to be going over.
dan friesen
So anytime there's the Trump situation, it's all just this.
Which at this point in history on July 6th is old.
Yeah.
unidentified
That happened again three, four weeks ago.
dan friesen
Yeah.
unidentified
So he...
dan friesen
He's not wrestling with up to date shit.
jordan holmes
His preamble there of, at the end of the day, I'm pro-human.
And then here's his list of things that are pro-human are private property, self-defense, and don't make me feel guilt.
That's the wrong priority for any human being ever.
dan friesen
No, because that's the bedrock of all human dignity.
jordan holmes
What about care about others?
Empathy.
unidentified
Boo.
jordan holmes
Respect?
dan friesen
No, empathy...
jordan holmes
Respect for yourself and for others?
dan friesen
None of that.
Empathy is a globalist plot.
That's what you don't understand.
In order to get white people to feel bad, so you balkanize them.
jordan holmes
Oh, okay.
dan friesen
I've actually come to realize something that I think...
jordan holmes
I love how far we've come that you can just throw...
Empathy is a globalist plot, and I'm like, yeah, that makes sense.
All right.
dan friesen
Moving on.
jordan holmes
That one makes sense.
Yeah, let's go along with that.
dan friesen
I think that Alex believes, and I'm not sure about this, but I'm starting to think that he believes...
That the idea of people complaining about legitimate racial issues, he interprets that as a plot to split white people as one cohesive group, as a voting bloc, into a split group, and some of the people will go along with the broken coalition that the Clintons put together, and other ones will become white supremacists.
I know.
It's nuts.
jordan holmes
How do you...
Look, I don't like it when they split white people as a voting bloc.
dan friesen
Right.
jordan holmes
We should all be united.
unidentified
Of course.
jordan holmes
I'm not racist, though.
dan friesen
No.
jordan holmes
At the end of the day, I don't care what color you are so long as all white people are on the same team.
dan friesen
I want to be clear, he hasn't said as much, but I'm starting to glean some of that from...
His interviews that he's had with Larry Nichols and just some of the other things he's said.
I think that that is part of his conception.
jordan holmes
It's part of so many old white dudes' conception.
It's not like it's a thing they actively think about.
It's just their tribalism in the back of their head is like, well, you look like me, so you must agree with me.
dan friesen
We must have the same priorities.
jordan holmes
Exactly.
Which are, of course, private property, self-defense, and I don't want to feel anything.
I don't want to feel guilt.
dan friesen
Yep, especially about...
jordan holmes
I don't want to feel guilt for the fact that my...
Private property comes from old white people's self-defense, i.e.
manifest destiny!
dan friesen
Yeah, it is interesting that the reasons you should feel guilt are...
jordan holmes
The prior to, yeah.
dan friesen
The private property that you have because of the system that has been in place and built very literally on racism.
unidentified
Yep.
dan friesen
And the self-defense you need because of that.
jordan holmes
Exactly.
All three of his most important things are white supremacists.
dan friesen
Somewhat.
Anyway, speaking of that, let's get to this next clip.
alex jones
So there's this apologist idea where any crime coming out of anybody who isn't white is basically acceptable.
You've got to ask yourself, what is that agenda really all about?
dan friesen
So I don't believe that that's the agenda, but I included that.
unidentified
Oh, no, no, no.
jordan holmes
We live in Chicago, and you know that as a city, we all agree that any crime done by black people, we just ignore.
dan friesen
It's totally cool.
unidentified
Yeah, yeah.
jordan holmes
The CPD definitely does not have black sites where they torture people.
No, no, no, no, no.
That's crazy.
We just ignore it.
dan friesen
But the reason that I kept that clip in, because it is a little bit short and almost seems a little bit like a non sequitur, is the reason that he says at the end, What's the agenda there?
And I think it's fascinating because it's like, are you talking about yourself?
What's the agenda in you laying it out like this?
You know what I'm saying?
jordan holmes
Right.
dan friesen
Yeah.
It's interesting.
But all of this could be explained.
jordan holmes
What's your plan is actually, what's my plan on this?
dan friesen
What am I doing?
jordan holmes
What am I thinking?
dan friesen
So actually, I think a lot of it can be explained by considering what sources Alex takes in.
And in this next clip, Alex explains, What his news diet is like.
jordan holmes
Oh, no.
Oh, I don't want to know.
dan friesen
It's a little bit revealing.
alex jones
You know, I think I kind of got depressed this morning.
I woke up at like 6 a.m.
I was reading news articles, and I was on Infowars, and I go look at the comments for tips or anything.
I just kind of scanned some of the comments.
unidentified
Wait, what?
alex jones
I was on YouTube.
jordan holmes
You're reading the comments on your own articles?
dan friesen
For tips.
alex jones
Who had seven felonies and been deported five times, and how they let him go.
San Francisco did, saying they think it's racist to turn a felon out of jail for all sorts of crimes over to the feds, who don't even deport him anyway, so it wouldn't matter.
Obama's basically stopped deportations.
I mean, a citizen isn't treated like that.
jordan holmes
No, he definitely didn't deport more people than his predecessors.
alex jones
And the guy went out and shot a lady.
And I saw Democratic operatives, I went and clicked on their handles, they were real websites.
dan friesen
In the comments.
alex jones
With people with their dogs and their cats and everything.
jordan holmes
They were real dogs and real cats.
alex jones
And by their dogs and their cats, I mean they were real people.
Saying how dare me be racist and...
jordan holmes
Grammar?
alex jones
Basically not just want to have people joyriding around shooting people.
And then how dare I defend Donald Trump because I just stick with the white people.
And it was mainly white people.
I mean, their whole ideology is just mental illness.
It's like mentally ill.
dan friesen
One of the things that I think is interesting is I've developed two theories in my investigation thus far up to this point.
And one of them is reasonable, and the other one we'll get to later.
The reasonable theory is I think that Alex Jones, at some point around here, July 6th, 7th, in that sort of span, he starts to get really jealous.
Because Donald Trump is getting a lot of press saying things that are very similar to things he says.
jordan holmes
Okay.
Alright.
dan friesen
I think Alex Jones starts to get pretty petty and jealous about, like, why is everyone lumping me in with him?
Why am I not getting all the attention?
That sort of thing.
And then on top of that, I think he starts to empathize with him a little bit because of the way the media treats him.
I think that there is an identification factor that Alex starts to feel with Trump.
jordan holmes
Okay.
dan friesen
That's the most reasonable theory I have about what gets him to sort of shift over.
jordan holmes
Yeah, I can see that.
dan friesen
I have an insane theory.
jordan holmes
That's an emotionally based...
Like, that's a reasonable human being's...
Like, I can understand that reaction.
dan friesen
And it sort of falls in line with...
jordan holmes
Now, of course, that means it is not true at all, because you and I can understand it.
Definitely not possible.
dan friesen
But it also...
jordan holmes
It is because Trump...
Killed a globalist and left the head on Alex Jones' doorstep.
unidentified
That could be.
jordan holmes
That's what we know.
dan friesen
That's your insane theory.
jordan holmes
That's my insane theory.
dan friesen
But my rational theory does take into account the psychology of both individuals.
Like, Trump acts the way he does because he's a narcissist and doesn't understand consequences.
jordan holmes
Right.
dan friesen
And then Alex is also a narcissist, and he feels like, hey, I can get on this train.
I see what's happening with him.
If I identify myself with him, maybe I will get the attention that he's getting.
jordan holmes
Well, yeah.
He's saying exactly what I've been saying for forever.
Why is he more popular?
Here's what I'll do.
I'll drift off of it, you know?
dan friesen
And there are a couple instances, too, of clips we'll play where Alex says things that eventually Trump himself will say.
So there is also a possibility...
jordan holmes
God, why are we doing this whole America thing anymore?
dan friesen
I don't know.
jordan holmes
Are we sure?
dan friesen
But there is also a possibility that Alex just lives his life and spouts the hate that he spouts, and then at some point started to see Trump jock his style and be like, alright, this guy gets it.
He likes me.
This appeals to my narcissism.
He's clearly quoting me.
unidentified
Right.
dan friesen
I'm in.
I don't know.
jordan holmes
That makes sense.
dan friesen
So...
Like I said, on this July 6th episode...
jordan holmes
At the end of the day, Alex wants a rub down from a famous guy.
dan friesen
More or less, yeah.
He's a star fucker.
But he chooses weird stars.
Anyway, this next clip, I told you, July 6th, there's a weird day, he's in a weird headspace, and it finally sort of blows off at this point.
Like, about hour and ten into the episode.
alex jones
It's almost like claustrophobia.
I never used to have this feeling about politics.
But now, I just want to hide from everybody and just let everybody kill each other and just be idiots because...
jordan holmes
I'm pretty much there.
alex jones
I mean, I'm not putting on an actor.
I almost left earlier, okay?
I couldn't even go on air earlier and they had to basically air a tape.
In fact, I may just leave.
I just...
God, watching the videos, and I go out in the street, it's not Mark Dice doing this.
The average Austinite folks cannot find their fat ass with both hands, and I want to slap them upside their head.
But let me tell you, they are the most politically correct, full of it, arrogant scum!
And I'm sick of them!
And let me tell you who they mainly are.
They're a bunch of pasty, stupid white people.
As dumb as the so-called minorities are, on average, they're more awake when I talk to them than these dumbass white people everywhere.
I mean, this country's a sick joke.
dan friesen
The juxtaposition there is amazing.
The music plus him just screaming about pasty, dumb white people.
jordan holmes
If it was from Beverly Hills Cop and Eddie Murphy said that, I'm way on board.
I believe every word.
unidentified
Yeah.
dan friesen
He's saying that it's not Mark Dice shooting these exploitative, erroneous videos where he goes out and talks to dumb people on the street.
It's everybody.
It's real.
This is really how people are.
They don't know what the Fourth of July is.
All this stuff.
So that's what's making him mad, and he's just freaking out.
So it goes to break with that music, and then here is how he comes back from break.
alex jones
You know, I feel a lot better now.
Because I've been holding my anger in the last few weeks, and during the break, I had a controlled rage just walking around back in the storage area of the facility.
jordan holmes
Where I petted my big-ass gun for a half hour.
alex jones
I was not going to be able to continue doing the radio show because my revulsion...
Of the globalists and how sickening they are and how evil they are and how bad they are.
jordan holmes
Sounds like an odor.
alex jones
Just gets to me.
And then I just wonder, what is wrong with other people?
Why do we put up with this inversion of reality and common sense being trampled?
dan friesen
I don't know.
jordan holmes
Yeah, that's a really good question.
dan friesen
Don't know why we put up with this.
But also, this is the second time in a pretty short span that Alex has...
In episodes we've covered, he's had to leave the studio and have a controlled rage.
jordan holmes
Yeah, I want to see what his controlled rage looks like.
dan friesen
He obviously breaks shit.
jordan holmes
It has to.
dan friesen
On that Keith Olbermann episode, he was saying that he went and broke shit.
He's a rage monster.
He's a roid rage kind of guy.
That's what's going on.
He's not mentally well.
No matter what, manic episode shit aside, he's not in an emotional, spiritual, Self-control kind of situation where he should be doing this.
jordan holmes
Right.
dan friesen
Like, I've talked about how this is starting to fuck with my mind a little bit, and I'm losing it a tiny bit covering him.
I have developed slight agoraphobia.
I don't leave the house as much as I used to and that stuff.
jordan holmes
Right.
dan friesen
Scary.
I've never gotten so mad listening to him that I've gone into a controlled rage.
jordan holmes
What is a controlled rage?
dan friesen
I think it's code for a rage.
I think it's him trying to put a PR spin on.
On that.
jordan holmes
I threw shit in my office for a good half hour, and I know I have a cleaning lady to fix it.
dan friesen
Yeah.
jordan holmes
Or a man.
dan friesen
Alex, you should not be doing this.
unidentified
You shouldn't be in the news.
jordan holmes
How do you look at somebody who is so clearly unhealthy in every aspect of his life?
dan friesen
Seems like it.
jordan holmes
Right?
There's no good thing that we've seen other than once a year he smokes weed to test its strength.
That's the only bright spot.
That's the only healthy thing I can see Alex doing.
dan friesen
But you've got to make sure that George Soros hasn't gone too far with that herb.
jordan holmes
Right.
No, you can't let him do that.
dan friesen
No, I know.
He's a mess.
But I think what people respond to in him is...
Specifically, the white identity shit that he always talks about.
And that's why his audience is 87% white.
jordan holmes
Well, and you can also, if you're a disenfranchised, dumb, white dude, you can absolutely sublimate some of your anger through his.
Yeah, for sure.
That's one of the ways you can get it out is you allow this man to speak for you, and then you feel...
You know, you get that dopamine reaction of, well, at least somebody's telling it like it is.
dan friesen
Well, you've got this terrible anger based on feeling like white victimhood inside you, and you listen to his show, and he screams about it.
Right.
You're right, it is.
It's somehow you can vicariously feel those feelings, and maybe they come out.
Maybe it is a release.
jordan holmes
Yeah.
dan friesen
I hope.
Because I think there are a lot of people who it's not.
I think it's reinforcing.
jordan holmes
Right, but I mean, you have to imagine some of these people work in an office, they go to the office, and rather than take out all this weird, angry, conservative, white-hot hatred on their co-workers, they just sit there listening to a gorilla scream for four hours.
dan friesen
I'm really scared that my co-workers have seen that I'm watching InfoWars at work.
I'm really worried that they think I like it.
I don't know.
No one's brought it up, but I'm so scared people will think I'm an InfoWarrior.
Because I do have a huge beard.
I could be one of those crazies.
Anyway, this is the last clip from July 6th.
In this one, he has Gerald Salenti on.
He has an interview with this dude.
jordan holmes
No idea who that is.
dan friesen
He works in trends.
jordan holmes
That's not a job.
dan friesen
He does predictions and what have you about what is to come.
jordan holmes
Okay.
Is he a good predictor?
dan friesen
Nope.
He has a lot of similar tendencies to Alex to predict that collapse is coming imminently.
They talk a bunch about how you need to buy gold.
jordan holmes
Of course.
dan friesen
But what I think is more important about this interview is this clip that I'm going to take from it.
And it's Gerald Salenti really reinforcing the savior narrative that Larry Nichols has laid out for Alex in past episodes.
gerald celente
And you said you were depressed because of the masses that are so out of touch.
So I have this little quote here.
jordan holmes
Who teaches all of his guests to talk?
It's by Samuel Adams.
This is horrendous.
gerald celente
And he said it doesn't take a majority, but rather an irate, tireless minority, keen on setting brush fires of freedom in the minds of men.
It does not take a majority to prevail, but rather an irate, tireless minority, keen on setting brush fires of freedom in the minds of men.
unidentified
And that's what you're doing.
That's what I'm doing.
jordan holmes
That's what Dr. Paul Craig Roberts does.
unidentified
That's what Ron Paul does.
jordan holmes
There are a number of us that are doing it.
unidentified
It's bringing it all together to make it happen.
jordan holmes
He sounds like a shitty Lenny Bruce.
dan friesen
Yeah, and he does do some warmed-over, hacky comedy stuff.
He does throw out lines.
I don't even remember anything.
jordan holmes
It's a brush fire of heaven that you're gonna brush fire.
dan friesen
But you hear it there.
He's talking about Sam Adams quotes.
jordan holmes
Right.
dan friesen
He's throwing it out there.
It doesn't take a majority.
It just takes an irate minority.
unidentified
Uh-huh.
dan friesen
It's the same thing as what Larry Nichols keeps saying.
All we need is you, Alex.
You are our savior.
He even goes so far.
Like, Larry Nichols, I don't think I pulled the clip, but he does say, you are the last hope for the bastion of truth.
jordan holmes
Jesus Christ.
dan friesen
Yeah, I mean, he has these people in his life who are just completely reinforcing this, it's up to you.
jordan holmes
Now I want to rewrite A New Hope and have Obi-Wan just be this strange, ill-proportioned, angry dude.
Yeah.
unidentified
Just saying, uh, uh, uh.
Hey!
jordan holmes
Yeah!
Fucking lightsabers!
dan friesen
See, the thing that I think is, like, I do sort of believe I'm fighting a Kixotic battle against the windmill that is Alex Jones.
jordan holmes
Correct.
dan friesen
I do believe, and I think it's important, I don't think that this is just fun entertainment.
I think that there is something important we're doing, but I don't have...
jordan holmes
Exactly like the Man of La Mancha, the musical, which was far more important than the original.
The book is like 10,000 pages long.
dan friesen
It's great, though.
jordan holmes
Nobody sings.
dan friesen
Love some Cervantes.
jordan holmes
Nobody sings.
dan friesen
I don't have a Gerald Salenti.
I don't have a Larry Nichols.
I have you.
unidentified
And I am not going to tell you you are a singer.
Nope.
dan friesen
You tell me, cool it.
jordan holmes
Imagine if I was on Infowars.
Alex, stop getting so self-important.
Chill out.
dan friesen
Your vocal patterns are too appealing.
You need to find a way to speak weirdly.
So that's it for July 6th.
Oh boy.
unidentified
Dan, I think we need to create a new mem.
dan friesen
I don't want to do that.
unidentified
I think it's time for a mem.
dan friesen
I don't want to.
So, we go to July 7th, and this episode is weird!
jordan holmes
Yes, what happens?
dan friesen
I know I say that a lot, that episodes are weird.
jordan holmes
That's because they fucking are.
The ones that you don't think are weird are terrifyingly weird.
The ones that you do think are weird, I can't...
Process my emotions while listening to this shit.
dan friesen
The baseline is weird.
jordan holmes
Yeah.
dan friesen
That's sort of where we are.
So in this episode, he has an interview with this guy named Lord Moncton, who...
jordan holmes
Refuse.
Refuse.
dan friesen
He does not believe in climate change.
jordan holmes
Skip over these clips entirely.
dan friesen
I don't have any of him.
He claims...
He actually was on the show just the other day, recently, in 2017, to talk about how he has found proof...
That climate change is based on bad math, and he's going to release a paper about it.
jordan holmes
How'd that go?
dan friesen
Doesn't give any details.
jordan holmes
No details?
dan friesen
No details.
jordan holmes
It's based on bad math.
dan friesen
Yeah, he's found four huge errors that were made.
Does not explain any of them.
jordan holmes
Does he talk about maybe it was in the measuring system?
unidentified
Nope.
jordan holmes
No.
dan friesen
No specifics.
jordan holmes
Maybe any, like a calculation, you know, like there are so many different factors that could go into the exacerbation of climate change.
You know, like how quick are the ice caps melting?
Maybe they just got the rate of decay wrong.
Like maybe it's any number of possible things.
Dan, tell me that Lord Moncton, or whatever the fuck his name is, says that it's a mathematical issue that we can solve through peer-reviewed research.
Dan.
dan friesen
He didn't give any details.
unidentified
Oh, okay.
jordan holmes
Well, then never fucking mind!
dan friesen
But Alex is thrilled.
jordan holmes
Climate change is still real, Alex.
dan friesen
So he's coming on back in 2015 to have a discussion about how the EU is a fascist organization, and I didn't keep any of that stuff in.
But, in this clip, towards the beginning of the episode, Alex says some stuff that I believe Trump picked up on later.
Stuff about how Obama is the founder of ISIS.
jordan holmes
Right.
dan friesen
These sort of beliefs.
Are things that Trump mirrored from Alex Jones.
jordan holmes
Do you know what?
Maybe our big problem is that we just don't define words the same way.
What do you think their definition of fascism is?
Like, the actual word.
dan friesen
Well, isn't that like a Socrates quote?
Like, the beginning of knowledge comes from the definition of terms?
unidentified
Right.
dan friesen
Like, the beginning of conversation.
jordan holmes
A mutual language.
dan friesen
Yeah, you can't really...
jordan holmes
How can you communicate with somebody who disagrees with you without first agreeing on what reality is?
dan friesen
Yeah.
jordan holmes
Otherwise, you're just talking past each other.
dan friesen
That's an interesting point.
unidentified
Hmm.
dan friesen
I don't know.
I don't think Alex would be up for having that conversation, though, even about just defining terms.
jordan holmes
Well, yeah, right?
dan friesen
What do terms mean?
jordan holmes
That paints you in a corner.
Then you actually have to engage with things.
Like, if you've ever...
dan friesen
So much of what Alex does is unverifiable.
jordan holmes
Right.
dan friesen
Like, you can't disprove a lot of the things he says, but if he were to give definitions to terms, it would be like, oh, no, that's absolutely not true.
He'd have to admit it.
unidentified
Right.
jordan holmes
Well, exactly.
And I've had conversations with conservative people before in the past where it's been like, okay, we're going to stop.
This is what we are talking about.
Here's the one subject we're talking about.
So long as you agree that you can change your mind based on...
So you say, you know, you have no evidence for what you're saying.
Okay, fine.
I will present evidence.
If it disagrees with you, then you have to change your mind.
And if you do the same for me, then I will change my mind.
So long as the moment I do that, you don't say...
Well, yeah, but what about...
Nah, nah, nah, nah.
Nah, nah, nah, nah.
We're talking about this.
dan friesen
Goalposts moving and shit.
jordan holmes
Yeah, exactly.
dan friesen
Anyway, Alex believes that Obama created ISIS.
jordan holmes
He did create ISIS.
dan friesen
But through accidental foreign policy.
jordan holmes
Well, no, George W. created ISIS.
dan friesen
The roots of it might go back even further than that if you really think about...
unidentified
Ronald Reagan created ISIS.
dan friesen
Sure, let's throw that out.
jordan holmes
I mean, let's just go back.
dan friesen
Let's define the term created.
jordan holmes
Muhammad created ISIS.
dan friesen
There we go.
So, in this clip, Alex has a clip himself of Obama talking about how we will not be able to destroy terrorists through bombs and weapons.
We need a better ideology.
We need to get at the root of what causes people to...
Join these groups.
jordan holmes
That's called strategy.
That's very reasonable.
dan friesen
Alex interprets that to mean, hey, don't attack these guys.
unidentified
Hmm.
dan friesen
So that's the sort of bedrock of this clip.
jordan holmes
Right.
alex jones
Okay, now let's go ahead.
jordan holmes
Let's do it.
alex jones
And let's go to this clip of Obama that we just need to have better ideas.
What?
Caitlyn Jenner?
unidentified
Yes.
alex jones
Maybe tell Al-Qaeda how to wear a dress?
jordan holmes
Send her over.
alex jones
Will that idea trump them?
Or how about some Obamacare?
jordan holmes
Say ISIS yes to the dress.
alex jones
How about some two plus two equals five?
Maybe that idea will defeat them.
Against Western weapons, most of them, Colt M16s, U.S..308 rifles, 5.56, most of it's U.S.-made, delivered.
Oh, they accidentally got Special Forces trucks and armored trucks.
No, they didn't.
They were given them.
They were armed in Iraq.
They were armed in other areas like Turkey.
Let's go ahead and go to the clip.
unidentified
And that means that we're going to have to...
Pick up our game to prevent these attacks.
It's also true why, ultimately, in order for us to defeat terrorist groups like ISIL and Al-Qaeda, is going to also require us to discredit their ideology.
alex jones
Oh, yeah, sure.
unidentified
The twisted thinking that draws vulnerable people into their ranks.
jordan holmes
You agree with this?
barack obama
As I've said before, and I know our military leaders agree, this broader challenge of countering violent extremism is not simply a military effort.
unidentified
Oh, yeah.
Ideologies are not defeated with guns.
They're defeated by better ideas.
More attractive and more compelling.
alex jones
We're going to break.
We'll come back and play the full clip.
This is our proxy army funded by NATO to take over the Middle East and kill all the Christians.
And we're going to keep giving them weapons to do it.
And then we're going to use them to take your rights domestically.
dan friesen
Yeah.
jordan holmes
I don't understand.
dan friesen
He talks about how Americana is so sexy.
jordan holmes
That's why he...
That's exactly what he thinks!
dan friesen
He thinks that if we create prosperity in this Americana system of free market and what have you, it'll be such an undeniable system, and that's what people liked about us in the first place.
jordan holmes
Exactly!
dan friesen
So, kind of, yeah, he kind of does...
jordan holmes
He believes exactly what Obama said.
Word for word.
dan friesen
But he thinks...
Well, I don't know if he thinks, but because it's...
I could just stop there.
jordan holmes
Yeah, that might as well be our stopping point for that sentence.
dan friesen
He believes that Obama is saying that we shouldn't attack them.
And that's not what he's saying.
He's saying it's...
jordan holmes
He even said not just bombs, which implies, oh, there's going to be bombs.
And if we take a look at Obama's track record on foreign policy, a lot of bombs.
alex jones
Plenty.
dan friesen
But he's saying, at the end there, what you were yelling over, he says, let me translate that for you.
These are our proxy armies that are going to go kill Christians.
jordan holmes
Right.
dan friesen
That's not what Obama's saying at all.
jordan holmes
I don't think there's any...
There wasn't even a word or anything that you could twist that into.
That was just him deliberately misunderstanding.
No, no, no, no.
Not misunderstanding.
Deliberately saying some straight-up bullshit.
dan friesen
Just deliberately misleading.
unidentified
Yeah.
jordan holmes
Because otherwise he would have to say...
dan friesen
Good call, Obama.
jordan holmes
Yeah.
And he would never do that.
That's just not possible.
unidentified
Nope.
jordan holmes
Which, again, is why we're all fucked.
Like when a Democratic president says something that Republicans agree with.
If they can't agree with that, then they just lose their minds.
dan friesen
Yeah, and it has to shift to something else.
jordan holmes
Exactly.
dan friesen
Like what we just discussed.
jordan holmes
Right.
dan friesen
You shift the goalposts, you move the conversation to like, oh shit, I agree with you, but hold on.
unidentified
Yeah, yeah, yeah.
No.
dan friesen
Benghazi!
jordan holmes
You're a monster.
Ah, emails!
dan friesen
So, in this next clip, I believe on July 7th here, this is some evidence of Alex beginning to empathize with Trump.
More than just agreeing with his rhetoric about immigrants.
I believe this clip shows some kernels of I see myself in him.
alex jones
Like, I'm always hearing about engineers who have family here or who have married somebody.
jordan holmes
Engineers.
alex jones
And they'll say it's a sham marriage and send them out of the country.
But then if you want to come here from, again, the biggest group of immigrants now is not Mexicans, Chinese, and you come here and have your baby openly.
You have the baby two weeks after you arrive.
You come, you get your extended stay.
It's in the news how they do it.
You have your baby, it's all paid for.
And then if I don't want to pay for it, I'm racist.
Can I go to China and say, I'm here to have my baby?
I want my free everything!
I mean, it's crazy!
And what's really got me angry about this is the Donald.
The criticisms of Donald Trump.
That he's racist.
I mean, I've got articles here where Hispanic immigrant laborers, being legal aliens, working on the new Trump building, don't know they want to be around him or work for him.
I mean, that's an issue right there.
We should investigate Trump.
Does he have any illegals working for him?
And again, I'm not even against the average person that's up here wanting a better life.
The point is that the large minority of the people, That our criminals or our milk of the system need to be kicked out.
I mean, if you can't kick them out, then you don't even have a country.
This is chumpville we're talking about.
I mean, I can't go to Mexico or Guatemala or Nicaragua or El Salvador or Colombia or Venezuela or Brazil or Chile.
Let's just go south.
And show up and ask for free stuff.
They will laugh at you!
But you got these big banks and globalist groups that are financing...
I mean, J.P. Morgan runs the food stamp program, makes the money off of it, takes the taxpayer money.
They're behind it all.
Donald Trump's signature collection made in Mexico.
Yeah, and I think Donald Trump will argue, yeah, those are good seamstress people working in Mexico.
I'm all for trade.
I'm all for open business.
Because they're now going after him saying he's a hypocrite and making stuff in Mexico.
I actually buy coffee from Mexico because it's the best coffee, according to my palate.
And it helps local farmers.
I'm not against helping people in Mexico.
That's the answer.
jordan holmes
But you just said you were!
alex jones
But now the media is going after Trump.
jordan holmes
Believe anything!
Don't believe all the things!
alex jones
Where was that article from?
That's an interesting find.
That Huffington Post, and what are they saying?
Let me see the headline, please.
Donald Trump gets his stuff made in Mexico by those lazy people.
He didn't say that.
He said, the bad are coming up here in some cases.
Internet reminds Donald Trump his signature collection is made in Mexico.
Yeah, that's what I'm seeing from Huffington Post and Raw Story.
It's like, Hispanics are hurt that Donald Trump says they're lazy.
Donald Trump didn't say that.
I'm sick of you liars.
It's incredible.
It's incredible.
Amazing.
dan friesen
So he's created a straw man of the argument that Trump made is that Mexicans are lazy.
That's because it's the easiest stereotype that Alex can grab onto.
jordan holmes
Of course.
dan friesen
That's not what people were responding to at all.
So he responds to this fake argument to create victimhood for Trump and victimhood for himself.
He's starting to see the way that the media treats Donald Trump and it mirrors the way the media treats Alex.
And I think that he's internalizing that.
jordan holmes
What's fascinating to me there is he goes, why is everybody thinking that Donald Trump is a hypocrite just because he has?
And then earlier in that very same clip, he's like, maybe we should find out if he has illegals working for him.
dan friesen
Right.
jordan holmes
And you're like, no, you, you, Alex, Alex, you did that.
Bad.
You did that!
dan friesen
But also the reason people talked about him being a hypocrite for having his clothes made in foreign countries is that his whole platform was America first.
jordan holmes
Make America first and great again.
dan friesen
Yeah, so that's the reason that people were clowning on him for that, and understandably, they should have.
jordan holmes
Yeah, well, it's because it's hypocritical and stupid and ridiculous.
dan friesen
The argument that he got a good deal doing that isn't a good argument.
That doesn't work.
jordan holmes
No, he got a good deal.
dan friesen
Because if you care about...
jordan holmes
Art of the deal!
He's a deal maker!
dan friesen
But if you care about America at all...
jordan holmes
I care about coffee.
dan friesen
From the Chiapas farmers.
jordan holmes
What's the best coffee for my palate?
I don't know.
dan friesen
I go Ethiopian Yergeshef, but be that as it may.
jordan holmes
Uh-uh.
I go Folgers...
Sure.
Tastes like balls.
dan friesen
America first.
Folgers coffee.
So, I mean, that's just...
I think that's pretty interesting.
Because I legitimately do think that he's starting to see the way people treat Trump.
It's like, that's similar to how people treat me.
I don't think it's enough to get him on board yet.
Because obviously it's not.
But there's trends.
Some Gerald Salenti-style trends that are starting to bubble up.
jordan holmes
Once he starts defending Trump, then it's a pretty short walk.
Right?
Once you start...
Defending a guy, he's gonna become your guy.
dan friesen
No, because he's still just defending the words.
He's still attacking the man.
He's still saying that I don't trust him, even if he is defending him.
But I think that there's subconscious forces that are going on inside Alex that he might not even be aware of.
Now, be that as it may...
jordan holmes
Like love.
dan friesen
I told you that July 7th was a weird fucking episode, and here's why.
Presented without comment.
alex jones
We have been warned!
We have been warned.
We have been threatened.
We have been told through official channels, unofficial channels, threats, you name it, stop investigating Sandy Hook.
Now, when this first happened a few years ago, I didn't come out of the gate saying it was a false flag.
jordan holmes
Yes, you did.
alex jones
And I got criticized by a lot of our listeners who were smart folks and who went and really investigated that, hey, Alex, you need to look at this again.
All I know is that the official story doesn't add up and that when retired state police officers and school investigation experts and school safety experts and others began to investigate it, they were threatened.
No emergency helicopters were sent.
The ambulances came an hour and a half later and parked down the road.
DHS an hour and a half later with a time stamp.
Put up signs saying sign in here.
They had porta potties being delivered within an hour and a half.
It looked like a carnival.
Looked like a big PR stunt.
Came out that Bloomberg a day before sent an email out to his gun control groups in all 50 states saying prepare to roll.
We're a major operation coming up.
That came out in the news.
jordan holmes
It didn't?
alex jones
We have the emails from city council back and forth and the school talking about it being shut down a year before.
dan friesen
Nope.
alex jones
We have the school then being demolished and the records being sealed.
We have videos that look just incredibly suspicious where people are laughing and everything and they start huffing and puffing and start crying on TV, which is pure acting method.
You've got a degree, Rob, in theater.
I mean, this is something that even lay people notice.
So I began to investigate.
dan friesen
So here's a couple important things to break down here.
All of those things that he brought up have been explained and debunked.
unidentified
Right.
dan friesen
If you look into them.
The person that he's talking about, the school investigator who's been threatened, is a guy named Wolfgang Halbig.
jordan holmes
That name alone is enough to threaten him.
dan friesen
If you look into him, he is a con artist.
jordan holmes
Okay.
dan friesen
He is a guy who has raised crazy amounts of money in quote-unquote investigating Sandy Hook.
He's a guy who has offered...
Bounties for proof of various things throughout the years.
And people have provided proof.
And he's been like, no, not real.
He's been like, I'll give you $1,000 if you can give me a picture of X, Y, and Z. People show up, give him pictures.
And he's like, nope, not good enough.
Nope.
Doesn't have metadata on the image.
jordan holmes
That's a good racket.
dan friesen
Yeah, it totally is.
jordan holmes
That's a good racket.
dan friesen
He is an absolute con artist.
He's been harassing the family members of the children who died.
It's disgraceful.
He makes the argument that the kids who allegedly died were the ones who were at the Super Bowl who got to sing...
I can't remember who they sang with.
With Jennifer Hudson.
jordan holmes
I refuse to even engage with the words you just said.
dan friesen
Forensic specialists have documented that absolutely those aren't the same kids.
jordan holmes
What?
There's...
No!
Right.
No!
dan friesen
Who cares?
jordan holmes
I refuse.
No, no, no.
Why would you need to bring...
Oh, I know where we're going to hide these kids.
Next to Jennifer Hudson at the Super Bowl.
Fuck you.
unidentified
That's dumb.
dan friesen
It's lesser magic.
jordan holmes
That's dumb.
dan friesen
Lesser magic.
jordan holmes
That's dumb.
dan friesen
Now, here's the next thing.
The story that Alex Jones keeps pushing whenever he brings up Sandy Hook is that Michael Bloomberg, because he wants to take everyone's guns...
The night before, told everybody, it's time to ride.
jordan holmes
Right, right, right.
dan friesen
As if he knew.
jordan holmes
As if he also was leading a posse in the Old West?
dan friesen
Sure.
I've looked into this.
I've tried to find evidence of this.
I can't find any evidence on any reputable news source.
I can't find any evidence of this even on disreputable news sources.
I can't find any article even about this on Infowars.
jordan holmes
So you can just make this shit up.
dan friesen
I found one article on Infowars about Mike Bloomberg and how he wants to take your guns, and he was ready.
For Sandy Hook.
Now the article links to another article about how after the Aurora shooting, the Batman shooting, Michael Bloomberg made a very serious effort in order to push gun control because he was shocked and horrified.
Tons of people died.
jordan holmes
Yet another senseless shooting.
dan friesen
Yeah.
And if you look at Mike Bloomberg's history, one of the big things that he focuses on and what seems to be a real big issue for him is avoidable deaths.
So it's...
People like to clown about how he tried to outlaw big sodas, you know, giant sodas in New York.
unidentified
Yeah.
dan friesen
But the reason is, sugar kills a lot of people that don't need to die.
jordan holmes
Right.
Like this delicious Faygo cotton candy.
Jesus Christ.
dan friesen
Right, but so the gun stuff matches up very...
Close with a lot of his philosophies about deaths that don't need to happen don't need to happen.
jordan holmes
Right.
dan friesen
So after the Aurora shooting, he did try and put together some organizations, some allies to work on gun control.
And that's the only evidence that they offer at all.
jordan holmes
Yeah, that was all set up the day before Sandy Hook.
dan friesen
I think it was like three or four months before Sandy Hook.
And so whenever Sandy Hook did end up happening, of course he was prepared.
He didn't talk to people the night before with foreknowledge.
jordan holmes
Right.
dan friesen
Now, the most important...
jordan holmes
Also, why would you even need to set one up?
You can just wait.
There's going to be another mass shooting.
dan friesen
Right.
jordan holmes
Why would you ever need to false flag a mass shooting?
Just wait a week.
dan friesen
I think that's why Bloomberg started making moves after the Aurora one, knowing that eventually something's going to happen.
jordan holmes
Of course.
dan friesen
We should be prepared to help.
jordan holmes
Alex laying out that evidence.
It sounds like if OJ defended himself in his trial, just like, yeah, no, this is true.
dan friesen
It's weak.
jordan holmes
Yeah, this is bullshit.
dan friesen
So this isn't why this is super fucked up.
We're going to get into why.
But I want you to take note of one thing from that clip that is very important.
He's talking to Rob Dew, who has now resurfaced.
jordan holmes
He's gotten back from his detox to get all that super mail out of him.
dan friesen
At the end of that clip, he says, you have a degree in theater.
Rob Dew isn't a journalist.
He has a degree in theater.
jordan holmes
Is it a master's?
dan friesen
I don't know.
jordan holmes
Does he have an MFA?
dan friesen
I don't know.
jordan holmes
I want to know.
dan friesen
I'm just going based on what Alex just said.
jordan holmes
I want to know.
Can he teach?
dan friesen
He's not trained in journalism.
unidentified
No.
dan friesen
He is a theater major.
jordan holmes
And he is a terrible actor.
dan friesen
Yeah, he's very...
He does not have that it factor.
jordan holmes
No, he should have...
He should have changed focuses.
dan friesen
So Alex has laid out some real bad evidence in terms of Sandy Hook, but the real story here...
jordan holmes
It'd be nice to discover that Rob Dew is actually an amazing playwright.
dan friesen
Sure.
jordan holmes
Like, he's just so good.
This is some deep cover research.
Or...
What?
dan friesen
He is an amazing, vibrant, super interesting guy who's playing boring.
jordan holmes
Ooh, man!
unidentified
That could be.
dan friesen
That could be.
jordan holmes
Maybe he's a terrible actor, or maybe...
He's the best actor.
dan friesen
It's possible.
But you know what?
He has family members.
And that's something that is important.
jordan holmes
He's Daniel Dew Lewis.
That's what's going on.
dan friesen
We're going to get into Rob Dew's family now.
alex jones
But now, your uncle, John Dew, Navy SEAL, retired FBI agent, works for a successful security company.
I had missed this episode of the Nightly News back on June 4th.
And then again last week when you did an update.
And then I heard you talking about it yesterday.
I knew that we'd sent our reporter Dan Badandi there for days to cover the city council hearings about it and the fact that they're sealing everything.
And then you just said, oh yes, and that's why I'm trying to get my uncle to tell me more because he's been in John Gotti hearings and been involved in huge cases.
A pretty prominent FBI agent before he retired.
And in his words, he said he's seen the most secretive mafia stuff ever, and he's never seen people more closed-lipped.
He's never seen something where it basically stinks.
dan friesen
So, Rob Dew's uncle is investigating Sandy Hook.
jordan holmes
Why is a Navy SEAL...
dan friesen
Former FBI guy, too, though.
jordan holmes
Okay.
dan friesen
Yeah.
unidentified
All right.
dan friesen
Former FBI agent who investigated mobs...
jordan holmes
All right.
dan friesen
...is up there in Sandy Hook, Connecticut.
jordan holmes
I call bullshit.
dan friesen
Totally!
jordan holmes
I call utter bullshit.
dan friesen
But he was there.
He was at the hearing.
jordan holmes
Okay.
dan friesen
And we'll get to the actual interview that they air with John Doe, Rob Doe's uncle.
Dan Badandi.
jordan holmes
And then they have Tim Doe, Sleepy Doe, Angry Doe.
dan friesen
Morning Doe.
Mountain Doe.
So they're going on a lot.
Taking something very small and spreading it out to be something major.
jordan holmes
As big as it could be.
dan friesen
And the reality of what they could...
They shouldn't report this.
jordan holmes
No.
dan friesen
Because it's nothing.
jordan holmes
They should make ten different types of t-shirts.
dan friesen
My uncle was in Connecticut.
That's the news.
So, here we go.
Let's just get through some of these clips because it's nonsense.
jordan holmes
A Connecticut Yankee in Sandy Hook's court.
alex jones
Let's hash your opinion, your gut level.
Without getting into the personalities involved, you can clearly see they're scared.
The wagons are circled.
They could just release all this.
There is no paperwork.
unidentified
No, there is not.
alex jones
It's all, I guess, totally made up with green screens, everything.
And we've got them on green screens.
I mean, what is going on here?
That's how evil these people are, is that they can have CNN involved, all these people.
It's like a Manhattan Project of the gun grabbers.
dan friesen
I love that.
jordan holmes
A Manhattan Project of the gun grabbers.
dan friesen
The gun grabbers.
But so, based on what he's saying is, I can't believe they're this evil.
You'd have to have so many people involved, which is pretty much the reason why it's very unreasonable to think this.
But, again, right there in that clip, Alex, in present day, claims that he never said Sandy Hook was fake.
He never said all that.
We have the one clip we routinely play where he says, no one died, it was all actors.
And here, he's doing a half-hour segment on the June 7th, 2015 show.
July 7th, excuse me.
jordan holmes
I want to see Robert Redford star in The Gun Grabbers.
I think that would be a good one.
dan friesen
Not Daniel D. Lewis?
jordan holmes
No, no, no.
Definitely not Daniel D. Lewis.
dan friesen
So, this next clip, we get to the actual interview with...
jordan holmes
It seems like a 70s movie.
dan friesen
Yeah, probably.
No, I think it's a spaghetti western.
jordan holmes
It's a sequel to The Sting.
dan friesen
Yeah.
There was a sequel to The Sting.
jordan holmes
Oh, was there?
dan friesen
Yeah, there was The Sting, too.
jordan holmes
Any good?
dan friesen
Nope.
So in this next clip, we get to the actual interview with John Dew and crack reporter Dan Badandi, who is no longer around.
jordan holmes
Never heard that name before.
dan friesen
I don't think he's around anymore.
unidentified
But anyway, here we go.
Dead?
alex jones
I mean, ladies and gentlemen, we are on to something big here.
Let's go ahead and go to part of this clip with your uncle.
This is John Dew, our news director's uncle.
That we just suddenly see at the Sandy Hook hearing with our reporter.
Here's Dan Badondi.
jordan holmes
Imagine if somebody unsealed.
And here's my uncle with commentary.
unidentified
No, no.
No, but being here today, what did you think of the whole thing?
Very strange.
Very strange?
Very strange situation, yes.
Yeah, no, so what do you expect to come out of this?
Do you think they're going to try to cover this up, or is this going to go anywhere?
I really don't know.
I've never seen anything like this before.
I'm not.
Thank you.
alex jones
And again, I'm glad Badandi was there.
Great job, and I wish it would have gone on more.
dan friesen
Yeah, no shit.
jordan holmes
Badandi was the one...
Badandi is the guy who sounds like he's from Jersey.
dan friesen
Yes.
Yes.
jordan holmes
How do you take a man like that seriously?
dan friesen
I don't know.
jordan holmes
There's a reason that most reputable news organizations don't send a man-on-the-street interview out there with like, Hey, what do you feel about Obama doing this stuff, huh?
dan friesen
Hey!
jordan holmes
What do you think?
Hey!
You think this is a cover-up?
dan friesen
Yeah.
jordan holmes
I think it might be a cover-up!
You think this is a cover-up?
dan friesen
Yeah, I know.
Even the local Chicago news doesn't have people sound like that.
But be that as it may.
jordan holmes
Which they fucking should, but...
dan friesen
Totally.
I would watch.
jordan holmes
Oh, absolutely.
dan friesen
But so we've got...
jordan holmes
Get Danny Callis as a man on the street interviewer.
dan friesen
We've got a 10-second clip where all he says is...
This is weird.
jordan holmes
Never seen anything like this before.
dan friesen
Which could mean I've never seen anything this horrifying.
I've never seen something this tragic.
Could mean any number of things, and they're just extrapolating it because there's private conversations that Rob Dew has had with his uncle, which don't spell out anything more.
jordan holmes
Private conversations.
dan friesen
So Alex, at this point, tries to get Rob Dew to give a quote about these private conversations.
jordan holmes
But it's such a good idea if you're a bullshit artist.
To not ask direct questions.
Like, in the press pool at the White House, whenever they're asking Sean Spicer those inane, pointless questions, if you just got a direct answer from somebody, then you have to engage with that.
But if you're like Badandi, then you can just ask a random-ass question, and he says...
Could be.
And that means that you can say whatever you want.
You can just go wherever.
dan friesen
He thinks it's fake.
jordan holmes
Yeah, exactly.
dan friesen
So, like I said, Alex is pushing for some inside information about the conversation that Rob Dew had with his uncle.
Right.
And there's some true comedy in this clip where Alex sort of tries to explain what Rob Dew's job is a little bit.
jordan holmes
Oh, no.
dan friesen
This is really funny.
rob dew
He wasn't saying a lot, but he's like, you know, Robert, this is strange.
I've never seen anything like it.
Never seen anything like it.
jordan holmes
And he's been in court cases.
It's not like his first.
alex jones
But you said he also said it doesn't add up.
jordan holmes
Oh, yeah.
Well, yeah, nothing adds up.
unidentified
It adds up.
alex jones
What was his exact quote?
Because I want to put up an article.
rob dew
I would say take that from there.
alex jones
Sure, but it only explains something.
You're a reporter.
You're a news director.
This is your uncle.
It's incredible for you to quote somebody.
Go back to the memory.
What did he say?
rob dew
I'll think about the exact words, but from what I remember.
Because I was in the car driving while I was talking to him.
alex jones
I understand.
rob dew
Because I wanted to get something out of him because we did the show that day on the 4th and I wanted to talk about it.
I said, hey, I've got this short interview with you and you're saying it's strange, it doesn't add up.
He's like, I've never been in a court proceeding like that ever where people don't know anything.
dan friesen
Alex is sick of the bullshit.
He wants him to just come up with a quote and he's saying, I don't really remember what exactly he said.
Fuck it.
It's credible.
You're the news director.
Just say whatever.
jordan holmes
Yeah, exactly.
dan friesen
That's such bad journalistic ethics.
jordan holmes
It's less like tell me the truth and more like make up something good, asshole.
What do you think I pay you for?
dan friesen
You have credibility.
You're the news director.
Make up something, you dumbass.
jordan holmes
Just lie in a good way.
dan friesen
Yeah.
And all Rob Doe will say is the stuff that comes from that 10-second video.
jordan holmes
Yeah, he should have a degree in improv training, because then he could have yes-anded.
dan friesen
Even the stuff that he says that he said in a private conversation is just the same stuff that's in that Dan Badondi clip.
unidentified
Yeah.
dan friesen
There's nothing here.
jordan holmes
He said he's never seen anything like this in the court proceedings.
And he's been in court cases before.
dan friesen
He has.
jordan holmes
How many court cases?
All of them.
dan friesen
Everyone.
jordan holmes
That's how we know that he's never seen anything like that.
dan friesen
Totally.
jordan holmes
And that's a credible report.
dan friesen
So Alex, at this point, is sick of the bullshit.
And so here's him sort of giving Rob do some shit.
This is also pretty funny.
alex jones
Where does he live, up there?
jordan holmes
Yeah.
rob dew
He doesn't live in Connecticut.
unidentified
He lives south of New York City.
alex jones
Oh, so New Jersey.
unidentified
Yeah.
alex jones
Anyways, come on, it's not a secret agent thing.
The people that did Sandy Hook knows where your uncle lives.
jordan holmes
I'm sure they do.
alex jones
Yeah, it's like Larry Nichols gives his home address out.
dan friesen
Yeah, he's just like, just fucking tell me where your uncle lives, you dumbass.
jordan holmes
So he lives in New Jersey.
Jesus Christ.
dan friesen
He lives south of New York.
jordan holmes
Oh, you mean Jersey.
dan friesen
I love that, but then also the other important thing there is just phrasing, because he's like...
The people who did Sandy Hook know where your uncle lives, which is implying that there are people who did Sandy Hook.
jordan holmes
Yeah, the people who did it.
dan friesen
So, Alex, we know what you believe.
You're busted.
There's no way around this.
I mean, we have now two episodes where you just straight up do exactly what you claim you didn't do about Sandy Hook.
jordan holmes
And I believe we've at least touched on it on three other episodes as well.
dan friesen
Totally.
And this episode, he also talks about how everyone thinks that he said Jade Helm was real.
But he's like, I didn't say it was real.
I said it's conditioning.
unidentified
Yeah.
dan friesen
And I don't care to go back and dig through all the episodes and find out where he actually said Jade Helm is real.
jordan holmes
Yeah, we can assume.
Yeah, based on the fact that he's- So far we've had a 100% batting average going back whenever he says, I didn't say this, we're like, oh, and it was this day.
dan friesen
If he says it's in the mainstream news, everybody knows, that means it's not true.
If he says I didn't say it, he fucking said it.
jordan holmes
He totally said it.
dan friesen
So we're done with July 7th.
And now we move to July 8th.
jordan holmes
Right.
dan friesen
And one of the important things that I don't have audio of, just because it's long and boring, is in this episode, Alex expresses...
Some pretty strong support for Nigel Farage and the UKIP.
unidentified
Not good.
dan friesen
At this point...
jordan holmes
Considering how Nigel is now part of the FBI investigation into Russian hacking, this is not great.
dan friesen
And is almost certainly Roger Stone's back channel to Julian Assange.
jordan holmes
You think so?
dan friesen
I would say almost 100%.
jordan holmes
Okay.
dan friesen
The fact that Nigel Farage has been seen going to the embassy and he was questioned when he came out of the embassy, what were you doing in there?
He said, I don't remember.
jordan holmes
Oh!
dan friesen
Yeah.
jordan holmes
Right when he came out.
dan friesen
Of the Ecuadorian embassy.
jordan holmes
Like, he walked into the Ecuadorian embassy.
dan friesen
Yep.
jordan holmes
Did a thing.
dan friesen
Yep.
jordan holmes
And when he left the Ecuadorian embassy...
dan friesen
People were like, what are you doing in there?
jordan holmes
He forgot what it was he was doing in there.
dan friesen
I have no idea what I was doing in there.
jordan holmes
So, we can assume...
dan friesen
It's not good.
jordan holmes
Julian Assange, hypnotist.
dan friesen
Totally.
jordan holmes
That makes the perfect sense.
dan friesen
No, he has that man in black thing.
jordan holmes
Oh, yeah, there we go.
Two Men in Black references on the same episode, guys?
You're all getting policy wonk material for free.
dan friesen
Can we make a hat trick?
unidentified
We'll see.
dan friesen
So he expresses, and at this point, the Brexit hasn't happened yet.
unidentified
Right.
dan friesen
So Nigel Farage is just a four-time failed politician, whack job, anti-immigration, anti-EU.
He's a dick.
But it makes sense why Alex would be into him.
jordan holmes
He's a white nationalist.
dan friesen
There are similarities between the two of their worldviews.
But it's important that we bring that up because it does feed into my crazy theory that I'll be getting to at the end.
jordan holmes
Yes.
dan friesen
This is one of the important building blocks.
jordan holmes
The grand unified field theory of right-wing propaganda.
dan friesen
Well, much like how on our last episode we showed that Alex was super into Jeff Sessions even before he was a part of Trump's campaign, it's important that we have this pre-Brexit, pre-Trump involvement with Nigel Farage in with...
Alex.
Alex is into him.
unidentified
Right.
dan friesen
And apparently he's been on the show before.
I don't have episodes.
I haven't heard any episodes where Farage is on, but he apparently has been a guest.
jordan holmes
It's like we're doing the Marvel Universe team-up.
Like, we're doing the films that they use to set up the Avengers.
dan friesen
Yeah.
jordan holmes
Like, that's what's going on right now.
dan friesen
It kind of is.
jordan holmes
Yeah.
Let's call Nigel Farage Thor.
Let's do that.
Because he's from a different country.
He's a fish out of water in America.
dan friesen
This should be Suicide Squad backstory or something like that because they're bad guys.
But then also it's very disappointing.
The end result is bad.
jordan holmes
Yeah, okay.
There we go.
dan friesen
Nigel Farage is sending his cast members used condoms and shit.
So, on July 8th, he talks a lot about collapse.
jordan holmes
And Jakari Jackson is, of course, Will Smith, because he's so much better than this shit.
dan friesen
But he's also someone who quit the movie.
unidentified
Yeah, exactly.
dan friesen
It's like if Will Smith said, I'm out.
unidentified
Yeah, yeah.
jordan holmes
No, I'm not doing this shit anymore.
dan friesen
So, on July 8th, one of the news stories that Alex covers is that the Chinese stock market took a little bit of a dip.
And he claims that this is proof that the collapse is here.
Apparently, also, our stock market went down, not price-wise, but trading stopped after the Chinese stock market went down numerically.
And the story that the stock market people gave was that it was a technical glitch.
He believes that it's the globalists coming in to stop the market from being destroyed.
I think the reality is...
The thing that we've discussed in the past a bunch is that so much trading is done on a micro scale by robots.
And they shut down the markets because these robots would misinterpret things and start selling off shit.
And you would have an artificial collapse.
jordan holmes
Right.
dan friesen
Basically.
jordan holmes
Read Michael Lewis' book on the electronic trading.
dan friesen
Yeah.
So I think that that's the most likely scenario.
And it's nothing nefarious.
It's just we have to save the ship.
So shut it down because these robots are going to destroy the market.
jordan holmes
Right.
dan friesen
So Alex thinks there's something evil going on, but again, he's just using it to push selling gold.
jordan holmes
Buy gold.
dan friesen
It's not all that interesting, but what is interesting is he does get back to talking about Trump a tiny bit on this episode.
alex jones
I live in Austin, Texas.
jordan holmes
Oh, do you?
I haven't heard.
alex jones
Beautiful heart of this republic.
jordan holmes
Filled with people I want to kill and punch.
alex jones
Now overrun by all the failures that couldn't make it in California and other states.
jordan holmes
Who disgust me!
alex jones
They're lecturing us on their ways of regulations and raiding people's funds and destroying society.
jordan holmes
Vague.
alex jones
And they're running around celebrating in the streets downtown.
Donald Trump, Donald Trump.
People walk up, ha ha, how do you like it?
Donald Trump's been discredited.
As if that even matters.
It's all just the faux...
Story, the rebel flag, the Donald Trump, the Caitlyn Jenner.
Will he have his member removed?
I mean, this is like a PCP hallucination.
What do you think?
Your boy, Trump's in trouble.
And I go, Donald Trump's never been my boy.
I think he's a ringer.
Oh yeah, sure.
You're losing right now.
You're losing, you're losing, you're losing.
I'm like, no, actually, what he's saying is the truth.
I mean, Mexico's collapsed in a total crime wave.
I mean, are you denying the illegal alien crime wave?
You people never get it.
Your time's over.
Your time's over.
And you'll be looking at some liberal with non-matching socks that they wear like they're God.
I don't care if you're wearing non-matching socks.
jordan holmes
I don't understand.
alex jones
I don't care if you've got a handlebar mustache.
I don't care.
But the fact that you have it, you think you've now, like, attained Godhood.
That you're so ignorant, you don't know what July 4th is, but you're running around celebrating, we're the Democrats, we're winning, Donald Trump's in trouble, while the global stock market's melting down, while they put cancer viruses in the vaccines and prepare forced inoculations, and feed us GMOs that sterilize every mammal species that's fed them within three generations.
jordan holmes
I don't...
alex jones
We're now into the second generation of eating this stuff.
jordan holmes
Our fertility is almost gone.
alex jones
This is nonsense.
What is he fucking talking about?
Is there a point?
Is he getting somewhere?
Is there an end to this?
What?
What is it you don't get about this jackass that I've transcended all your fake left-right garbage?
We're under globalist total attack and you can't even figure it out because you're too busy watching television and obsessing over the rebel flag all day!
dan friesen
I legitimately don't get why you're confused.
jordan holmes
What is he just fucking...
What was he saying?
dan friesen
I think it speaks for itself.
jordan holmes
I don't know what it's...
I don't know what itself is!
dan friesen
We've lost 90% of our sperms.
jordan holmes
I don't know...
Was there...
Track that.
Track any of that from start to finish.
dan friesen
Okay.
jordan holmes
I want to play that again just to figure out where we start.
unidentified
I can't.
dan friesen
It's three minutes long.
jordan holmes
I know!
dan friesen
It was endless.
So we could portion it off into sort of two parts.
unidentified
Right.
dan friesen
The first part is people are taunting him believing that he's on board with Trump.
jordan holmes
Right.
dan friesen
Because spiritually, he is.
jordan holmes
Of course.
dan friesen
Even though he's not.
a lot of Trump's negative.
The things that people are mad about Trump about, they're mad about Alex for, too.
Exactly.
unidentified
So a lot of people are conflating it.
dan friesen
That's the first part.
Him sort of realizing through everyone else's judgment, I guess, that he is.
jordan holmes
Ugh, I'm a liberal.
dan friesen
He's compatriots with Trump in as much as people attack them similarly because they're both bigoted.
The second part is...
Trump is a distraction in the same vein as complaining about the flag, the battle flag, or Caitlyn Jenner.
Complaining about those things are the exact same thing as Trump.
He's a distraction.
He's not my boy.
I don't care about him.
It's just a distraction.
And the more important thing is that the globalists are attacking us and killing our sperms.
And GMO foods kill the reproductive capacity of mammal species within three generations and we're in the second.
jordan holmes
Oh, okay, now I get it.
dan friesen
There we go.
jordan holmes
Makes perfect sense now.
unidentified
Right.
jordan holmes
Now that you've just condensed that three-minute barrage of people who wear different types of socks think they're gods!
dan friesen
Also, I didn't have time to do this just because of my schedule, but I was going to make a supercut of all the times he talks about mismatched socks.
He talks about it a lot.
jordan holmes
Really?
dan friesen
Yeah, it comes up in like three episodes during this time span.
jordan holmes
Did he just see, like, one guy with mismatched socks and then he's like, I can't fucking handle this!
dan friesen
Absolutely.
He talked about it on another episode that we've done in the past, too.
It seems to be, like, handlebar mustache, mismatched socks, that's a trendy.
That's sort of, like, his go-tos.
And the other one is he believes that liberals and trendies love Islam because they smoke hookahs.
jordan holmes
Of course.
dan friesen
That's sort of, like, his way of being really reductive and not having to wrestle with anything.
jordan holmes
Right.
dan friesen
So, yeah, that's pretty dumb.
But it still indicates that as of July 8th, Alex Jones believes that Donald Trump is completely a distraction.
unidentified
He's a distraction.
jordan holmes
He's a ringer.
He's a ringer for Hillary.
He's there to distract from her emails and her crimes.
dan friesen
To make sure that Rand Paul doesn't get in.
jordan holmes
Yeah, globalists!
dan friesen
Now we'll get to a specific prediction that Alex Jones is making that did not come to pass.
alex jones
But this is certainly...
Setting the stage, going into the winter, as I've told everybody, for the big one.
In 20 years of broadcast, I've never gotten up here like I've done the last six months and said, I feel a disturbance in the force.
The last time I felt it was in 1929.
We'll be back, ladies and gentlemen.
jordan holmes
Wait, what?
Wait, no!
He's immortal, isn't he?
dan friesen
He might be.
jordan holmes
He's immortal.
dan friesen
He might be.
jordan holmes
He's a trickster demon.
dan friesen
Could be.
jordan holmes
This is Loki!
We found our Loki!
Done!
This is some fucking Neil Gaiman shit right here.
dan friesen
So he specifically made the claim that the big one, the big collapse, is coming this winter, which he's pushed back from summer.
jordan holmes
Well, it was coming during the summer, but now we're into July and it hasn't happened.
Just push it back!
dan friesen
Yeah, it's coming this winter, and he hasn't felt this way since 1929.
He's speaking metaphorically.
I don't think he's actually immortal.
jordan holmes
I think he's immortal.
dan friesen
But do you know what that means?
That means in 2008 he didn't see it coming at all.
jordan holmes
No, not important.
dan friesen
So there's that.
jordan holmes
Not important.
dan friesen
The last really big collapse that happened...
Well, alright, Alex.
jordan holmes
Well, it wasn't as big as the one in 1929, and it really wasn't as big as the one in 1874, whenever he...
Well, that was when he continued fighting the Civil War by himself.
Then, whenever he was actually fighting in the Revolutionary War, there was a collapse of the pound back then.
Then, whenever he was fighting the Gauls...
For Caesar, there was a collapse there.
dan friesen
On one episode...
jordan holmes
I am fairly certain that he is Sean Connery in Highlander.
dan friesen
He's the Highlander?
jordan holmes
Well, he trains the Highlander.
dan friesen
In one episode, I don't remember where it was, but he says that he's related to the Tudors.
And then also, on another episode...
jordan holmes
He's immortal!
dan friesen
On another episode, he said he's related to Nathan Bedford Forrest, the Confederate general.
jordan holmes
Okay.
dan friesen
And he said he's related to the person who invented the stock market.
He's like one of those annoying kids who's like, yeah, well, I'm descended from Cleopatra.
jordan holmes
Yeah, yeah, yeah.
What the fuck are you talking about?
dan friesen
All these disparate pieces.
Like, oh, no, my lineage goes back.
I am of kings.
jordan holmes
Well, statistically, isn't it something like if it's eight generations back, we're all related to everybody or something along those lines?
dan friesen
And literally almost everybody is related to Genghis Khan.
jordan holmes
Yeah, exactly.
dan friesen
Genghis Khan has, like...
80% of the population is descended from...
jordan holmes
Yeah, like 5% of China's population is entirely descended from Genghis Khan.
dan friesen
It's more than that, I think.
jordan holmes
Something like that.
dan friesen
Anyway, we're now done with July 8th.
Kind of boring, just a lot of collapsed stuff that we've talked about in the past.
And now, we get on to July 9th.
And July 9th...
This is what I think is illustrative...
Illustrative?
jordan holmes
Illustrative.
dan friesen
I think it's illustrative about Alex Jones' style as a broadcaster, is that he rarely stays on the same topic for more than a day.
unidentified
Right.
dan friesen
He goes from collapse, he goes Sandy Hook one day, collapse the next day, and on to July 9th, this episode is...
jordan holmes
When he debuts his line of Zubas?
dan friesen
Might as well have.
This episode is all about this MTV show that...
jordan holmes
What is fucking happening?
unidentified
Well...
dan friesen
There was a preview that came out for an MTV show called White People.
jordan holmes
Alright.
dan friesen
In the show, there was a guy, I can't remember his name, but he's a reporter, used to work for the Washington Post, and he set out to make white people understand the nature of white privilege and understand systems of oppression, these sorts of things.
The trailer for the show is mostly white kids crying.
And Alex is furious about it.
jordan holmes
Anything that makes white kids cry, I'm on board with.
dan friesen
He spends almost the entire episode complaining about this show.
It's complete lunacy.
But before he does, at the beginning of the episode, he's got something else stuck in his craw.
He has something else stuck up in his craw, which is the gay agenda.
jordan holmes
Oh, well, yeah, of course.
alex jones
This is Sumner Redstone.
Viacom, through Nickelodeon and MTV, sexualizing children.
I remember Viacom, five, six years ago, admitted in a corporate press release they were going to target preteens with transgender and homosexual messages.
It's pedophilia.
I mean, imagine saying, we're going to target your kids with heterosexual sex messages when they're six years old.
You'd be like, that's pedophilia, keep your hands off our kids.
When Calvin Klein shows, you know, 15, 16-year-olds scantily clad, they call it pedophilia.
It's creepy, but not really that.
But when you target five or six-year-olds and it's the gay agenda, then it's okay to teach them how to do stuff I didn't even know about until I was an adult.
I mean, it is just Twilight Zone level.
jordan holmes
Alex Jones didn't suck a dick till he was 19, okay?
alex jones
He did.
jordan holmes
Okay, Nickelodeon?
dan friesen
We covered this.
jordan holmes
All right, calm it down.
dan friesen
We covered it on a past episode.
jordan holmes
He had sex with 150 women before he was 16. Right, but he didn't have sex with another man till he was 19. Fair enough.
See?
He didn't even know about that.
dan friesen
So the important thing there, though, is the massive disconnect and misunderstanding that he has about the idea...
Of making queer kids feel okay.
jordan holmes
Right.
dan friesen
Making people feel normal who are normal.
He doesn't understand that it has nothing to do with sexualizing people or sex at all.
jordan holmes
Also, what do you mean if you send a six-year-old sex messages?
A six-year-old can turn on TV.
dan friesen
That's true.
jordan holmes
There's so much...
But that's what he's talking about.
But yeah, but that's what I'm saying.
dan friesen
You can find TV that's made for adults and find a lot of sex in it.
You can watch Franklin and Bash and there's sex messages in it.
jordan holmes
Yeah, you're getting heterosexual sex messages all the fucking time.
dan friesen
From everywhere.
jordan holmes
Alex just doesn't notice it because it doesn't matter.
dan friesen
Largely...
jordan holmes
It's normal to him.
dan friesen
A lot of the stuff that he's decrying here is sort of the ideas of making characters who are gay or lesbian or trans...
jordan holmes
Well, they shouldn't be.
We shouldn't.
See them.
dan friesen
Creating positive role models.
jordan holmes
No, we shouldn't have positive role models for them.
dan friesen
He doesn't...
jordan holmes
You should feel shame.
dan friesen
He doesn't understand...
jordan holmes
Misery.
dan friesen
He doesn't understand that people have these identities from very young ages.
It's not something that comes up...
Well, I mean, sometimes, I guess it can be.
People discover things later in life.
But a lot of the time, people...
Before they even understand what gender is, know that they're different, or know that something doesn't match up.
jordan holmes
Well, the stats that we talked about on a previous episode, talking about trans identity from young ages...
What you pointed out was everybody who identified as trans once they were in their teen years, 100% went on to identify the same way.
Pre-teen, it was like 40% or whatever.
dan friesen
Something along those lines.
I don't remember the specifics.
jordan holmes
But that is the thing.
You can know.
You can be.
From the get-go.
dan friesen
And the other thing that he doesn't understand is...
jordan holmes
And you should be accepted for it.
You shouldn't be made to feel shame all day, every day.
dan friesen
Well, that's the other thing that he doesn't understand is that there's a difference between encouraging someone to do something and being okay with them doing something and being something.
It's like having messaging that is gay-positive, trans-positive, isn't to say, hey, kid.
You should be trans.
jordan holmes
Yeah, no, that's what I say every morning.
dan friesen
It's just to say, if you are, that's cool.
You should feel fine about it.
jordan holmes
What I do is I go to elementary schools and I pass out transgender surgery coupons.
Sure.
dan friesen
They're fake.
jordan holmes
And I'm like, hey, kid, you should be a girl!
Stop it!
dan friesen
You should be a girl!
All joking aside, on this episode, Alex legitimately pretends that that's what doctors do.
jordan holmes
Oh, okay.
Well, then I hope he goes and fucks himself.
dan friesen
We'll get to that.
jordan holmes
I hope a doctor removes his penis and then inserts it into his own asshole repeatedly.
dan friesen
We'll get to that, actually, in this next clip.
jordan holmes
I want to shellac Alex Jones' balls and rub them on his face.
dan friesen
Here is a clip that is weird.
It is a long rant.
It has to do with race.
It has to do with trans shit.
It has to do with cult conditioning.
And it is a mess.
jordan holmes
So he's just trying to fit it all in.
dan friesen
Yeah, and he's angry.
jordan holmes
What, is it like the end of the hour or something?
He's like, oh, I've been talking about MTV too long.
Better get back on the transphobic hatred.
dan friesen
This is inspired still from the MTV stuff.
But that's more race-based.
I guess that is part of this.
Here we go.
Just listen.
alex jones
How many legal alien on TV with a bunch of sappy weak...
White kids with trendy socialist parents up here flogging themselves about how bad they are.
You ever seen those stickers where somebody's a Ford and they're peeing on a Chevy or vice versa?
I mean, that's it.
You're down on the ground and right in your face.
They're just going to teach you to take it all.
Unbelievable.
And you ain't seen nothing yet.
Let's go to this video clip.
Paul Watson's joining us in 30 minutes, 40 minutes.
unidentified
Oh, fuck you, Paul Watson.
alex jones
Break it down at the bottom of the next hour.
And then Joe Biggs has the interview in Texas doctor's offices.
You bring in your daughter and your son.
They go, man, will you talk to them alone?
Thank you.
You want to identify as another sex, little girl?
What's that mean?
You ever feel like a boy?
Does your mom wear pants?
Is she like a man?
Bring the boy in now.
You want to be a little girl?
jordan holmes
This directly happened to us.
alex jones
Some old guy walks over and goes, hey, little girl.
You feel like a boy sometimes?
But see, now it's the school, so it's loving.
larry nichols
Prove yourself.
alex jones
Sacrifice your children to the system.
larry nichols
Take the shots.
alex jones
Eat the GMO.
Go to McDonald's.
Drink the fluoride.
And then let the creepy doctor.
Who's a social warrior and proud of themselves?
Stopping the inequality, breaking it down with your child.
It's their child now.
We've got to break through this idea that kids belong to their parents.
No, now the kids belong to all of us.
jordan holmes
I'm getting a headache.
larry nichols
Lean forward.
dan friesen
I can't follow this.
alex jones
Like all the other cult videos you've seen.
Their eyes get real saucer.
Lean forward!
A Karl Marx term.
Knowing the public can't even find their butt with both hands.
Doesn't know what Independence Day is.
Doesn't know what cult programming is.
Do you understand, folks?
This is cult programming.
This isn't liberal.
This isn't conservative.
jordan holmes
This is freak show.
alex jones
See, they have to bring down the military.
That'll be their final enemy.
The military will help bring the tyranny in, and then it will be destroyed.
Because before the rise of the machines and the merger with the elite and the life extension system...
jordan holmes
Now we're under the machines rising?
alex jones
Before that can happen, they have to take out men.
Men in the womb are selected genetically from a female prototype to be a combat mechanism and a hunting mechanism to defend the nesting areas.
It's like that in almost all mammal and bird species.
dan friesen
But not lizards.
alex jones
This is an attack on the species.
Once they've taken the men down, which they've basically already done, the machines, the AI, all the appliances, everything, it's just over.
So just, I warned you, I tried my best, and if you allow them to sexualize your five and six year olds, they've won.
It's a litmus test, the gauntlet's here, and they've got white people on MTV going, I'm evil, I'm sorry.
unidentified
This is because MTV had white people crying.
jordan holmes
This is because MTV had white people crying.
dan friesen
That's sort of the starting point.
jordan holmes
So now we're going into doctors.
Want you to be whatever gender you're not, because you're eating GMOs, taking vaccines, McDonald's, then it's directly to the rise of the machines.
dan friesen
Well, not directly.
There's a little bit of an interstitial...
jordan holmes
Of what?
dan friesen
I don't know.
jordan holmes
Yeah, exactly.
It's directly from the rise of the machines.
dan friesen
No, because he gets then into that Melissa Harris Perry quote about the community having a responsibility for children.
jordan holmes
Yeah, but that's...
unidentified
But he says lean forward, and he's like, that's a Marx term.
jordan holmes
That's Karl Marx.
dan friesen
Hey, buddy, how about Drain the Swamp is from Mussolini?
How about that?
How about that, Alex?
jordan holmes
Don't point that out.
dan friesen
But be that as it may, the thing I want to...
jordan holmes
His idea of biology and evolution is bananas.
dan friesen
It's fascinating, though.
jordan holmes
Where did he learn that?
dan friesen
That's the least weird part.
Of that whole rant, though.
jordan holmes
I know, but I want to know more about that.
dan friesen
On some level, I could.
jordan holmes
Because everything else is insane.
Like, everything else is dismissive.
dan friesen
That's a theory.
jordan holmes
Yeah, this is him, like, completely misunderstanding reality.
Like, just basic biology.
Like, he just doesn't have any clue.
dan friesen
Well, you start from the kernel of we were all female and then some became male in the womb.
unidentified
That is true.
jordan holmes
A biological prototype for hunting.
dan friesen
Defending the nest.
jordan holmes
Defending the nest.
dan friesen
Yes.
He doesn't understand.
jordan holmes
Happens with all mammals and birds.
dan friesen
Not at all.
Not even close.
He doesn't understand that largely all of that is a cultural construct.
Even in humans, that's not the case.
jordan holmes
It's made up.
dan friesen
It's so stupid.
But at the same time, it's fascinating.
jordan holmes
I know!
dan friesen
That part's fascinating.
The other stuff is just bigotry.
The rise of the machines is Terminator.
jordan holmes
There's no other way to look at that.
It's like he's describing a cartoon.
Like, that's what he just described.
He described, like, a Felix the Cat cartoon from the 1930s.
dan friesen
Yeah.
jordan holmes
Or whenever color started happening or whatever.
unidentified
Sure, sure.
jordan holmes
But goddammit, where did he learn that about biology?
dan friesen
I don't know.
jordan holmes
Who taught him that?
dan friesen
It's the least...
jordan holmes
What dentist father would be like, okay.
Let me tell you the story of the birds and the bees.
dan friesen
What junior college class that he dropped out of did he learn that in?
So the other thing, though, is he's doing all this like, hey, little girl, do you want to be a boy?
jordan holmes
That was very creepy.
dan friesen
And he mentions that Joe Biggs has a report on it, and he does at the end of the episode, where he interviews a lady who went into a hospital, and all she tells him is that the doctor asked her daughter, are you a girl?
That's it.
unidentified
Yeah.
dan friesen
Which is a reasonable question to ask.
It's sort of a silly question.
I remember getting questions like that from doctors.
They ask children simple questions and stuff like that in order to create a rapport with them.
unidentified
Right.
dan friesen
Very simple.
Because they're a stranger.
jordan holmes
Yeah.
dan friesen
Ooh, how old are you?
They know how old they are.
jordan holmes
How many times has a six-year-old come up to you and said, I'm a girl?
And you're like, okay, fucking fine.
I don't give a shit.
Die.
But that's a very strange reaction from me.
dan friesen
It doesn't even have to do necessarily with some sort of nefarious trans agenda.
It has to do with a doctor.
jordan holmes
Do you mean a made-up trans agenda?
dan friesen
But it has more to do with a doctor with probably clunky bedside manner more than anything else.
jordan holmes
Who thinks he's a god.
dan friesen
Right, but that's like the more...
jordan holmes
Who's injecting autism-giving fluoride McDonald's slurry into your child.
dan friesen
But Joe Biggs does this terrible report that is just way off and really awful.
And Alex uses it to be even more awful.
He uses it to be...
jordan holmes
But he's already...
dan friesen
I can't even do that voice anymore.
It's really starting to hurt my throat.
jordan holmes
Why?
I just don't understand.
I don't understand how you can turn that into something nefarious.
dan friesen
What do you mean?
jordan holmes
I mean, that idea of...
Well, one, what goal?
I guess the goal he's pointing to is that...
It's destroying men?
dan friesen
Confusing everybody, creating more balkanization.
Because now you have trans issues, whereas we just used to have race and gender, and, well, gender already was right until now.
jordan holmes
Right, right, right.
dan friesen
It's stupid.
It's just, he thinks everything that is not supportive of white, heterosexual, Christian identity is divide-and-conquer strategies.
That is it.
That's what he thinks.
jordan holmes
Do you know what I, here's the theory that I've started putting together.
We're not hateful creatures.
dan friesen
You and I?
jordan holmes
No, I think human beings.
People talk about how the internet has divided us, and my theory is more becoming, look at how far you have to go to deny your own human empathy.
Look at how twisted and look at how big this ideology has to be for him to just say, I'm freaked out by trans people because they do a thing that's not me.
dan friesen
He has to have the foundation of globalists are trying to blah, blah, blah, blah.
jordan holmes
In order to just hate somebody who hasn't done anything to him.
dan friesen
That's a good point.
jordan holmes
He has a knee-jerk hatred.
dan friesen
But you're also not taking into account with that how much he needs cover.
He needs to protect his business industry.
And so he couldn't say those things without people being like, okay.
Fuck you.
jordan holmes
God, I just wish he would come out and say, like, hey, it makes me feel uncomfortable because I don't understand it.
dan friesen
Yeah.
jordan holmes
It is so far outside my world.
dan friesen
It threatens my masculinity.
unidentified
Exactly.
dan friesen
It threatens my belief in the world, and I have a rigid set of beliefs that I can't be flexible about at all.
jordan holmes
And that's something we could talk about.
dan friesen
It could.
jordan holmes
Like, I would be interested in having that discussion.
Like, I'm fine if you say to me, like, I get...
My knee-jerk reaction to trans people is revulsion.
I'm not fine with that because I think it's an okay reaction.
I'm fine with that because you're just expressing how you feel.
And you don't really have a...
If you don't have any framework for that, like I grew up in a small town.
If I just stayed in that small town forever where it's just me staring at a bunch of white people who look like me and then I see something that is so far outside of that...
dan friesen
Like someone with mismatched socks?
jordan holmes
Yeah, exactly.
Somebody that's just a freak.
Somebody that's just got a handlebar mustache.
Right, right.
Of course your basic tribal instinct is like, oh, that's an enemy or something along those lines.
dan friesen
But what you're describing is essentially why it's important for people to go to college.
It's important for people to go away to college.
jordan holmes
It's important for people to just go other places.
dan friesen
Yeah, and you should have crises.
Exactly!
It's important for you to have those feelings.
And then be confronted with reality and grow through it.
jordan holmes
That's what I'm saying.
dan friesen
Because quite frankly, I thought trans people were super weird when I was like 12 or 13. I thought it was incredibly fucked up.
And that's because most of my context for it was listening to Loveline.
And Adam Carolla is very anti-trans.
He is super like...
It's just weirdo dudes and stuff like that.
And so that was my context for everything until I met some people who identified as trans and had conversations and watched some documentaries and looked into it a bit more.
And I had a crisis of, oh, I don't trust this Adam Carolla that I've listened to for so long.
jordan holmes
Of course.
dan friesen
And you grow through it.
jordan holmes
Exactly.
And that's what I'm saying.
If he could just admit that, then have a conversation and then just experience those things.
dan friesen
Yeah.
jordan holmes
Just grow.
That'd be fine.
But by hiding behind all of this globalist shit, that's how he can get away with having a conversation with a trans person who is completely and utterly normal and reasonable and all of those things and never deal with it.
dan friesen
But because of the globalist framework, his argument would be like, oh, you are totally normal and that's fine.
It's unfortunate that they've tricked you into this.
jordan holmes
Exactly.
And that's the way that he will never...
And that's the same thing that white people do hiding behind...
I don't care if you're white or black or whatever.
It's like, no, you do.
Just admit you care and then we can deal with it.
dan friesen
We're also getting to, I think, why it's dangerous for people who are young to listen to Alex Jones is because if you do get this brain virus of the globalists and stuff like that into your head too early, you don't really have an escape plan.
You don't have a hatch you can get out of.
Like with Adam Carolla's bigotry.
I was very able to get away from it because it's not defended by anything other than Adam Carolla's opinions.
Whereas if Adam Carolla was saying...
jordan holmes
If he spread a magical yarn about...
dan friesen
There is an evil cabal that is making people do things because they have a vested interest in destroying masculinity, blah, blah, blah.
jordan holmes
Right.
dan friesen
It would be much more difficult for me even when confronted with reality.
To get away from it.
jordan holmes
Because there's a mythology behind it.
dan friesen
It's a cult.
jordan holmes
It's a story that you can reinforce again and again and again.
And so then that also...
dan friesen
And let's be clear, this isn't just about trans stuff.
It's about everything that he talks about.
jordan holmes
No, of course.
dan friesen
It's across the board.
His philosophies.
jordan holmes
Even though they're not applied equally across the board.
dan friesen
Certainly not.
Everything is...
jordan holmes
Everything's negotiable except for private property, self-defense, and don't make me feel guilt about being white.
dan friesen
Well, if you think about even those things, take private property out of it, because it's like, okay, yeah, people own things.
But you take the Second Amendment is self-defense, and don't make me feel weird is white nationalism.
So that is the things that he's super...
Look, this is a good conversation, but we've got to move along.
We've got some more clips, and you've got to get out of here before too long.
So, this next clip, we get into more specific feelings that he has about this white people show, and unfortunately, this is kind of a short clip, but it's Alex Jones being mocking about what a lot of people believe the reality about racism is.
alex jones
I don't want to be called racist, because there's nothing worse, and if you are now, you lose your job, you get arrested.
I mean...
I mean, what are we going to do?
There's racists everywhere.
It's worse than terrorism, Al-Qaeda.
jordan holmes
I don't think he's coming from a genuine place here.
alex jones
He's out of the table.
dan friesen
No, but he's doing a mocking character so he can get out some true feelings that he has that he is afraid of people calling him a racist because that is, in his conception, a label that people use to take power over you.
Now, the part that I met when I said the reality is...
I believe that racism is a bigger problem than terrorism.
jordan holmes
By a billion.
dan friesen
Yeah, and he's doing that mocking voice to sort of discredit that opinion when there's pretty good evidence that terrorism is a very small problem compared to ingrained, deeply entrenched racist beliefs that we have.
jordan holmes
It is because of these deeply entrenched racist beliefs that our president is actively destroying the world.
Well, not our president.
He's a fucking lunatic.
It is the entire GOP.
dan friesen
So I played that clip also because I wanted to get that foundation of being called a racist is the worst thing, blah, blah, blah, just in advance of this next clip, which I think is one of the craziest things Alex Jones has ever said.
alex jones
Jose Antonio Vargas, the host of the documentary White People, is a journalist, filmmaker, an immigration activist, a globalist, born in the Philippines and raised the United States from the age of 12. He was part of the Washington Post team that won the Pulitzer Prize for breaking news reporting in 2008 for coverage of the Virginia Tech shootings.
He's an anti-gunner.
He wrote, produced, and directed the autobiographical 2013 Documented, which CNN filmed broadcast in 2014.
And he pushes the DREAM Act for the children legalized the people.
And during the trailer, he's...
We'll show some of that video right now without audio if you're a TV viewer.
Bugging his eyes out at the white people.
How does it feel to be white, huh?
And just the whole time acting super aggressive and angry.
And then they all get intimidated.
Yes, we're bad.
We're sorry.
I mean, I wish this guy would come to me.
Because, hey, I am like Martin Luther King.
I'm proud of myself.
I bet you money.
And Martin Luther King got beat up quite a few times by racist white people.
I bet you money.
I've been attacked by more black people than Martin Luther King's been attacked by white people.
And the black people that attacked me were just like the white people that attacked him.
They were racist, they were scum, and they thought it was okay to attack me because of my skin color.
I'm like Martin Luther King.
This guy's a race baiter.
He's more akin to the other side of the debate.
And I'm sick of it!
And we've been given this guilt, so we'll submit to total tyranny.
You see, I'm above you race pimps and you racist.
And all you grand dragons and the Democratic Party and the rest of you scum.
I really do care about everybody.
I really do want to stop 52% of black people getting killed before they're born.
I really do want to stop Latin American girls being sterilized in a UN program with Gardasil, which has now been proven to jack these women up.
unidentified
Because when they attack these innocent people, they're attacking me!
alex jones
I take it personal!
I care about humanity, and I'm sick of you globalists following hardcore psych warfare programs meant to bring us down so we're all fighting with each other and they can bring the nation states down and bring in world government that's going to target everybody.
dan friesen
So, Alex Jones is like Martin Luther King.
jordan holmes
Dan.
Dan.
dan friesen
Jordan.
You had a tough time with that clip.
jordan holmes
I did not do well with that.
I did not do well with that.
I did take the headphones off for a very long time.
unidentified
I think that might have been the first time you've taken the headphones off.
jordan holmes
It was the second.
It was the second.
Do you know why it was the second?
Do you know why I remember the last time?
dan friesen
Why?
jordan holmes
Because it was very much very similar, you son of a bitch!
dan friesen
It's very weird.
jordan holmes
What?
dan friesen
It's very weird.
jordan holmes
It's almost convincing.
For him to say that he does care about everybody, like, in his twisted brain.
dan friesen
Well, the number of black people who have been aborted seems to keep shifting.
jordan holmes
It's 49%, it's 51%, it's 52%.
dan friesen
I mean, it's all in that ballpark, but he does not have a straight statistic.
jordan holmes
No, of course not.
dan friesen
He's not quoting anything, clearly.
The number keeps changing.
jordan holmes
It's magic.
dan friesen
Also, Gardasil, there are negative side effects that can come up, but all of them are much better than cervical cancer.
jordan holmes
Yeah, you should definitely get an HPV vaccine.
It's a necessity.
dan friesen
Alex likes to play this game where it's like, HPV isn't bad.
It's like, that's not the problem.
HPV in women does lead to cervical cancer often.
jordan holmes
It's a big deal.
dan friesen
Doesn't really matter for dudes.
It's just warts.
For dudes.
Doesn't really do anything all that terrible.
But for women, it is a very big issue.
jordan holmes
Which is why he doesn't have to care, Dan.
dan friesen
But he pretends that all it does is get rid of HPV, not that it really gets rid of one of the biggest causes of cervical cancer.
So, him saying...
Even he's not being specific about it.
It jacks these women up!
jordan holmes
It jacks them up!
dan friesen
What does that mean?
jordan holmes
It makes them jacked.
dan friesen
Okay, gets them swole.
jordan holmes
It's a direct...
It's a direct competitor to super female vitality.
dan friesen
Which you gotta get off the market.
jordan holmes
Gotta get off it.
dan friesen
So, his...
I understand where you're coming from saying that it's almost convincing, but it's not, because he's throwing bullshit spaghetti.
jordan holmes
Absolutely.
No, no, no.
When he does...
I do think, in his mind, he believes that he cares about everybody.
dan friesen
But do you think that he, in his mind, really believes that he's been beat up as much as Martin Luther King?
jordan holmes
Do I think he believes it?
dan friesen
Yeah.
jordan holmes
Yes.
dan friesen
Well, that's proof that he doesn't know anything.
jordan holmes
I don't.
I think he believes it.
dan friesen
Okay.
jordan holmes
It's obviously not true, but I think he's convinced himself of its reality.
dan friesen
I would ask him if he's ever been imprisoned.
Because he's white.
I would ask him if he's ever had people throw bombs at his house because he's white.
jordan holmes
Well, we know he has not been in prison because he's white.
Yeah, definitely.
A KKK member as a cop let him go.
dan friesen
Oh, yeah, we have that evidence.
jordan holmes
Yeah, yeah, yeah.
dan friesen
But the other thing, too, is he keeps referring to these fights that he got in as a youth, but most of those are street fights.
Those of those aren't racially motivated attacks.
jordan holmes
Whether or not they happened at all is still in question.
dan friesen
It's very dubious.
jordan holmes
Yeah.
dan friesen
But at the same time, he seems to think that these fights that he had a part in getting into are some sort of racial oppression.
And they're not.
They're just him as a kid being obviously full of shit, obviously an asshole.
He claims he slept with 150 women before he was 16. He was kicked out of his school for a year for fighting.
He's a guy who, when he was young, was...
I mean, he's embellishing everything except for maybe that being kicked out of school for a year.
But he's a guy who was like...
He was a problem kid.
unidentified
Yeah.
dan friesen
Like, it's...
I don't think...
I bet he did have a couple of times people called him Cracker or something like that.
I would believe that.
But I don't believe that he's been targeted for being white.
jordan holmes
Of course not!
dan friesen
And it's degrading for him to compare himself to Martin Luther King.
unidentified
Of course not!
jordan holmes
Degrading.
It's degrading for everybody but Nelson Mandela to compare himself to Martin Luther King.
dan friesen
Yeah.
unidentified
Yep.
dan friesen
So anyway, let's skip out of that.
Let's move along, because our old friend is back.
Our old friend...
jordan holmes
Fuck you, Alex.
dan friesen
Totally.
Our old friend...
jordan holmes
Jesus fucking Christ.
dan friesen
Still on the July 9th episode, our old friend Larry Nichols comes back.
jordan holmes
And it's not even...
It doesn't even matter how many times he got beat up versus Martin Luther King Jr.
That's not the point of Martin Luther King Jr., is it how many beatings he took?
dan friesen
No, totally is.
jordan holmes
That's not the point!
dan friesen
Totally is.
unidentified
The point is fucking everything else!
dan friesen
Sure.
jordan holmes
How do you boil down the entire civil rights movement into, I think, I got beat up more than Martin Luther King Jr.
That's his entire reality of the entire civil rights movement was MLK got beat up a bunch and then black people could vote.
dan friesen
Well, it's because that is the masculine way to look at it.
It's the hyper-toxic masculine thing.
How much do you believe in what you believe in?
You ready to get your ass kicked?
Man.
jordan holmes
Oh.
dan friesen
So, let's move on.
Let's move on.
jordan holmes
I'm sorry.
dan friesen
Let's move on.
Larry Nichols is back, my man.
jordan holmes
Okay.
Stevie Larry Nicks.
dan friesen
And he throws a lot of bullshit around about how, again, Alex is our only shot.
But this time, he is fucking soliciting money hard.
Okay.
jordan holmes
Nichols is?
dan friesen
Yeah.
He's like, my health is not good.
I need help.
And he's just asking for money.
jordan holmes
Okay.
dan friesen
He spins the narrative that Chelsea is not Bill Clinton's daughter.
That's one of his big narratives.
But he drops this one.
This is our Larry Nichols moment of the day.
larry nichols
Alex, what's going to have to happen, and I hate to say it, but folks, there's got to be an education campaign.
We've got to re-educate people.
I don't even know anymore.
If we have genes in our bodies that are connected to our founding fathers, we've drifted so far away.
But here's what's going to come.
You've got two choices right now.
unidentified
Two.
Believe it or not, our best friends on Earth right now are Bill and Hillary.
larry nichols
Why?
unidentified
Because Obama has his eyes set on turning us.
larry nichols
into an Islamic caliphate.
And at that point, he would become the leader of Islam globally.
Now, the only people strong enough at this point to stop that from happening are the Clintons.
And then if the Clintons get in, they were fighting communists.
I think we stand a better chance trying to fight communism than people running around with their heads being cut off because people will go into submission.
dan friesen
Yeah, man.
Yep.
It's so sad to see all these things that Larry Nichols believes in.
It's such a bummer.
jordan holmes
Obama is trying to turn.
unidentified
What do you even say to that?
dan friesen
Please.
jordan holmes
What do you...
dan friesen
The Denny's is closing.
jordan holmes
Yeah, exactly.
Where do you even start with that?
Sir, sir.
dan friesen
You have to leave.
jordan holmes
Obama's going to become the leader of Islam worldwide.
dan friesen
He's trying to start a caliphate.
jordan holmes
Is he having a stroke?
dan friesen
No, but this actually is in line with that interview that he did with Mother Jones.
He was talking about how the Clintons are our only hope.
Of destroying Islam because they're cold-blooded.
jordan holmes
Right.
This makes perfect sense.
dan friesen
But it also contradicts entirely all the other stuff that he says about how Clintons are the worst people in the world.
And if Hillary gets in, she's going to destroy the world.
She's going to turn us into...
I mean, he describes it as communism here, but he describes it as...
Complete destruction of America.
Other places.
So, I mean, he is an unreliable...
jordan holmes
He may be a big fan of hyperbole.
It's entirely possible.
dan friesen
He needs money.
He wants to be interesting, so Alex will have him back on his show so people will send him money.
jordan holmes
Does he just think that...
Like, how would Obama become the leader of Islam globally?
dan friesen
Just declare it.
jordan holmes
Like, would there be a conversation?
Does he already talk with the Ayatollah regularly?
dan friesen
He must have.
jordan holmes
I mean, then we're talking about how does he feel about Indonesia?
I mean, Larry Nichols knows that billions of people who are Muslim are not from the Middle East, right?
dan friesen
Probably not.
I don't know.
jordan holmes
Yes, like globally.
dan friesen
There's tons of Chinese Muslims.
There's tons of American.
unidentified
Would Obama then have to...
dan friesen
There's also different branches of Islam that definitely wouldn't all fall under Obama.
jordan holmes
See, now I'm playing this out like a civilization game.
dan friesen
Don't do it.
Don't bring sense into this.
jordan holmes
Okay, if we move two hexagons to the left, then we'll be in the appropriate place to spread our religion.
dan friesen
I'd like to point out at this point that I haven't ignored or cut out stuff that he said about Trump.
He still is exactly in the same position he has been since July 6th.
But now, we get to July 10th, and Alex Jones is out of studio.
David Knight is hosting, and it is our tradition to never listen to David Knight.
jordan holmes
Correct.
dan friesen
However, we have to break it.
jordan holmes
No.
dan friesen
Yeah.
jordan holmes
No!
dan friesen
I accidentally listened...
jordan holmes
How did you do that?
dan friesen
I accidentally listened to a tiny bit of this, because at the beginning...
David Knight says, Alex Jones will be in later with a special report.
And so I scanned forward in the episode to try and find it, and I couldn't find it.
I'm not going to listen to the whole thing.
But I accidentally found this clip, and it is amazing.
David Knight is crazy.
david knight
Now, when we were on break, Joe Jennings came in and told me that he went to Disney World in the 1970s, and he said they had a Song of the South ride that then they later took out.
Tell us about it, Joe.
What was that?
unidentified
Yeah, in the 70s, you know, I was probably six or seven years old and lived in Anaheim.
Just let this go, guys.
The big treat that you got when you went to Disneyland was, you know, they had all the rides and they rarely changed the rides.
jordan holmes
You don't need this one.
Just put this one behind you.
unidentified
It's been there for a long time.
So, in the smaller kids' area, they had the Song of the South ride.
jordan holmes
Just chalk this one up as a lot.
unidentified
It was a great little ride.
It had all the fun characters and all this.
jordan holmes
The fun characters are the problem!
unidentified
You never viewed it as racist or anything.
You just saw these fun, whimsical characters.
So, you know, years had gone by and we went back to Disneyland.
Are you re-litigating Al Jolson too?
jordan holmes
What is happening?
unidentified
And we went there and it was completely changed.
The ride was gone.
And like I said, Disneyland hardly ever changed their rides.
And we asked, you know, where's the Song of the South ride?
And we asked one of the Disney people, oh, we don't talk about that ride.
david knight
Yeah.
unidentified
It's been taken out.
david knight
We gotta take that out.
We gotta take out Song of the South, although they do use the songs from it.
I thought one of the most beautiful things about it was the kids sitting at the feet of the older black man, him relating these folk stories as an introduction.
Of course, it was ahead of its time in the 1940s.
They had animation mixed with live action and everything.
dan friesen
Yeah, buddy.
No negative talk about Song of the South.
jordan holmes
Did they?
Have they ever seen Song of the Seven?
dan friesen
I watched it recently.
Why?
Some girl I was seeing for a little while accidentally found it.
She's like, you know, they don't let this out of the vault.
I found a copy of it.
Let's watch it.
And so I watched it.
I was like, whoa, this is worse than I remember.
jordan holmes
Yeah, right?
dan friesen
There's a fucking character called Tar Baby.
unidentified
Yeah!
dan friesen
Yeah!
jordan holmes
There's a reason we don't talk about it anymore!
dan friesen
And that old man who tells them stories is a horrible black stereotype.
Uncle Remus is insulting.
jordan holmes
Nah, no, no, no.
Uncle Remus sounds right.
dan friesen
Also, fuck off.
Splash Mountain is based on Song of the South.
They just took out all of the racist stuff.
jordan holmes
Splash Mountain is based on Song of the South?
dan friesen
Yeah, that's originally part of the ride that was Song of the South based.
unidentified
Huh.
dan friesen
Yeah.
jordan holmes
I don't remember that from the original movie.
dan friesen
Splash Mountain?
jordan holmes
I don't remember.
dan friesen
The original ride had, like, you'd go along with Br 'er Rabbit, and there'd be, like, little things that would happen along the way, and then you'd get to Splash Mountain.
So that part is retained from the original, as I understand.
But also, you're totally right.
Let it go.
jordan holmes
Let this one go!
dan friesen
You don't need this one!
You're not right.
unidentified
No!
dan friesen
David Knight, you ain't right.
jordan holmes
Where does that even...
Like, even the most racist people I can think of aren't going to jump on Song of the South as they're killed and died on.
dan friesen
It's weird.
jordan holmes
You know what I don't like about Disney?
They took down Song of the...
dan friesen
How bad of a news day is it for you that you're like, I'm going to get the engineer to chime in about how Song of the South isn't a ride at Disney anymore, and he discovered that years ago, and we were just talking about it over the break.
What the fuck is going on in their studio?
jordan holmes
I have no idea.
dan friesen
So, that's the 9th.
Now we get to the 10th.
The 10th?
jordan holmes
It would be fun to be there for a day and just see...
Like, I would love to be in the studio for a day and just see the fucking chaos that must go on.
dan friesen
I bet there's not much chaos.
Except for when Alex has to do a controlled raid.
jordan holmes
Well, I mean, Alex is...
Like, there have been plenty of times where they just don't know where Alex is.
unidentified
Like...
dan friesen
Yeah, that's true.
jordan holmes
There's gotta be all kinds of weird shit being talked about.
dan friesen
When he's allegedly in court?
jordan holmes
Yeah.
dan friesen
So, I'm sorry, that was the 10th that David Knight was hosting.
That was a Sunday.
Or, I'm sorry, that was a Friday.
That was a Friday.
jordan holmes
Whatever happened to the old Song of the South at Disney?
Alright, guys.
dan friesen
So, we take...
jordan holmes
And I thought Birth of a Nation had some good points.
dan friesen
It was a great ride.
jordan holmes
It was a great ride.
dan friesen
So we take the 11th off, because that is a Saturday, and we come back on the 12th.
And here, three of the last four clips I have for you are Trump-based.
He gets to talking a bit more about Trump at this point, after July 12th.
The other clip I have involves my theory.
jordan holmes
Okay.
dan friesen
My insane theory.
jordan holmes
I'm loving your tease.
unidentified
Yeah.
jordan holmes
I'm loving it.
dan friesen
So let's get to this first one.
This clip is from the 12th show where he spells out some more of his feelings about Donald Trump.
alex jones
Meanwhile, Donald Trump comes out and you would think that this is the only thing happening in the universe.
We're in like week three and says a lot of criminals are coming in from all over the world and from Latin America.
Not good workers, not smart folks, not good people.
We need to stop the felons coming in.
That's like saying we need to keep drug dealers out of schoolyards.
And they just go, it's insane, it's incredible, it's horrible.
He's the worst person in the world.
To overthrow reality and common sense.
And it's perfect because Trump is a huge Hillary Clinton donor.
I don't trust him as far as I can throw him.
But he's saying stuff that's true.
jordan holmes
That is less far than he can throw an elephant.
alex jones
Trump will take our country back.
Trump tapping into inner anger.
Republicans, 17 contenders battle to stand out in a crowd.
And what Trump's doing is standing out by telling the truth.
unidentified
Okay.
jordan holmes
So now we're starting to see the first signs of...
dan friesen
But he's still saying, I don't trust him.
jordan holmes
Of course.
He doesn't trust him as far as he can throw him.
dan friesen
He might have some thoughts about why he can't trust him.
jordan holmes
Why is that?
dan friesen
Well...
Remember on the last episode?
jordan holmes
He's mob connected.
dan friesen
Remember how you were speculating that I was making too big a deal out of that?
jordan holmes
Yes.
dan friesen
Well, I'd like you to listen to this next clip.
jordan holmes
Does John Doe come back?
alex jones
Gambling, if you want to do it, is your issue.
But Donald Trump owns a bunch of casinos.
Donald Trump's involved in a bunch of stuff.
He's basically a front man for some very hardcore people.
And he gives tons of money to the Democratic Party.
More to Democrats than Republicans in the last 30 years.
So you can bet this is all as phony as a $3 bill.
And Donald Trump, I have it from high-level sources, is, well, let's just say, with a name like Trump, they don't come after you.
With a name like Corleone, they do.
Don Trump will be back.
Stay with us.
I'm Alex Jones.
dan friesen
You want the truth?
alex jones
Can you handle it?
You're going to get it.
jordan holmes
Well, with a name like Donald Trump, they don't come after you.
With a name like Corleone, they do.
unidentified
Mm-hmm.
jordan holmes
All right.
All right.
dan friesen
He has it from high-level sources.
jordan holmes
Yeah, but he has everything from high-level sources.
dan friesen
I understand that, but this one bears out with reality.
This is something that people can document.
The fact that he would have this information from high-level sources, I mean, he could have it from anybody, but it is true.
That's the difference, too, between other high-level sources, weird globalists he runs into on planes.
jordan holmes
Yeah, but it's just so weird to think that on this one he's right.
Like, I can't conceive of that.
I can't allow myself to live in a world where...
dan friesen
Broken clock theory.
jordan holmes
Where everything Alex Jones says is utterly wrong, but the stuff he said about Trump before he became Trump's biggest fan is 100% accurate.
dan friesen
Again, we have to come back to what I was explaining on the last episode, that it is the reality of this, the truth of it, is he is right.
Him saying that Trump has extensive mob connections is true.
But that's irrelevant to Alex Jones' mindset.
What's relevant is that he believes that.
He's repeated it multiple times over the course of these last episodes, going further and further spelling out how he knows it and what exactly he's saying.
jordan holmes
That's true.
dan friesen
He's saying that he's a casino owner, he's clearly connected to the mob.
All this stuff.
He's shady people all around him.
That's not nothing.
jordan holmes
Even if he was wrong, that's still the narrative that he's spinning, just like the Sandy Hook false flag stuff.
This is still his...
He's doing anti-Trump propaganda right now.
dan friesen
Because he's super into Ron Paul.
jordan holmes
Right.
dan friesen
And, yeah.
So...
We move now to the last day of our investigation, July 13th.
And on this show, Alex Jones is kind of, he's on some weird shit.
He's doing some weird shit on this episode.
Because on the last one, on the 12th, I just played those two clips.
Most of the show was about collapse narrative stuff.
jordan holmes
Of course, buy gold.
dan friesen
And he also is worried about censoring history.
So he's talking about the flag a bunch, the battle flag.
And he also admits that he owns multiple Nazi guns.
Which is fun.
jordan holmes
Sure.
dan friesen
But we get to July 13th and...
jordan holmes
And he has ten copies of Song of the South.
dan friesen
No, David Knight does.
jordan holmes
David Knight definitely does.
dan friesen
Alex Jones is very overt on this episode and very clear that he is against Russian sanctions.
jordan holmes
Okay.
Why?
dan friesen
Because he doesn't think that they're the bad guys in the Ukraine situation.
Again, we've been over this.
He thinks it's the globalists.
unidentified
Right.
dan friesen
And that they're just protecting Russian-identifying citizens in the Ukraine.
They're coming in to help them deal with the globalist invasion.
jordan holmes
That's just such a weird thing for him to turn that into, though.
dan friesen
Well...
jordan holmes
Like, for always being pro-America, as he says he is, and for his entire, like...
Because he's had shit, like, when we go back to the Y2K, he's definitely got that russophobic narrative going on strong there.
dan friesen
Very much so.
unidentified
So...
jordan holmes
Him picking Putin in the Crimea situation seems mind-boggling to me.
dan friesen
Well...
jordan holmes
Has he already been on RT at this point?
dan friesen
I don't know.
I don't think so.
But I do think that he's starting to become swayed by Russian propaganda.
And some of that will play out in this next clip.
alex jones
And that's what's crazy.
The Russians aren't perfect, but at a primitive level, it's still male-driven.
Basically almost prehistoric.
jordan holmes
Oh, well, that's all I needed to know.
alex jones
But super smart, super high IQs.
Yeah, they're drunk.
Yeah, they fight a lot.
Yeah, I mean, whatever.
The point is, is that Russians only wake up when they're under attack.
And so that's historically known.
And so they now have state-run TV going, the plan is to destroy our family.
Here are the documents.
The plan is to, you know, put stuff in the vaccines.
They get it.
Because they already went through it under communism and their population went down by more than 30%.
They've already been in the jaws of this forever.
They've still got corrupt KGB people.
They've still got socialism.
They've still got problems.
They've still got vestiges of it.
But they really get what's going on.
And when you get in the darkest levels of tyranny, light is that much brighter.
dan friesen
So he's talking about state-run TV.
jordan holmes
Right.
dan friesen
They're pushing narratives that are similar to him.
jordan holmes
Right.
dan friesen
All of this stuff that we're doing is to stop globalists.
jordan holmes
Right.
dan friesen
So it's starting to mirror him.
jordan holmes
I mean, yeah, they picked up on what he was doing.
dan friesen
That's that Alexander Dugan stuff.
jordan holmes
Yeah.
Huh.
dan friesen
I think some of that's intentional.
jordan holmes
So they pick up on what he's doing, he picks up on what they're doing, turns into a nice little feedback loop, and they can both kind of bounce their...
I mean, basically...
They bounce ideas back and forth on each other.
dan friesen
Somewhat, yeah.
jordan holmes
They trade narratives like a ping pong ball.
dan friesen
I think there's a burgeoning propaganda loop that is beginning with Russian state television and Alex Jones.
jordan holmes
Right.
dan friesen
And if you want to take a step further about that, it's the reason that I said that Nigel Farage was important earlier.
I believe that Alex Jones already has positive feelings about Nigel Farage.
We can't prove it 100%, but I would be very surprised if he isn't the intermediary for Roger Stone and WikiLeaks, which is obviously pushing Russian propaganda.
jordan holmes
Of course.
dan friesen
I believe that once Roger Stone gets involved with Alex Jones, you take these dormant feelings that Alex Jones has towards Russian propaganda, and it becomes super amplified.
All of this connection comes together.
At the same time, if you look at it, it's so important that all the major players now aren't in play.
They aren't in the mix.
So you have Alex with these latent things.
The true Alex is the bigot, is the male identity stuff, is the racism, transphobia.
jordan holmes
The avatar of toxic male culture.
dan friesen
The distrust of immigrants.
Those sorts of things are true Alex.
On top of that, eventually you get Roger Stone in there.
You get Steve Pchenik in there, who's not around at all at this point.
Steve Pchenik isn't around, and he's the one who pitches the counter-coup narrative about how the Clintons were pulling a soft coup, and we did a counter-coup against them.
He's not there at this point.
Roger Stone isn't there to pitch overly aggressive Trump stuff.
At the same time, people like Mike Cernovich aren't around.
Gavin McGinnis.
Those people are the cool, fun trolley guys.
So all of these other elements of Alex Jones' current sphere of what he does, his propaganda, they aren't in place yet.
jordan holmes
What we have is RT, him.
dan friesen
We have dormancy.
And that's why he doesn't support Trump yet, I think.
I think that once these other, much more active players get involved...
That's when he switches.
And I know that I already said that I believe that once Roger Stone comes around, that's the switch.
But I now, through him saying all these super positive things about Nigel Farage, saying really dicey things about Russian propaganda narratives about Russia, these things lead me to believe that...
I don't know how to spell this out exactly, but I think Roger Stone...
Probably targeted Alex.
I think that he knew that Alex had these leanings, and he knew that he could use him.
That is kind of what I think at this point.
jordan holmes
Alright.
dan friesen
I think that he knew that he could play...
jordan holmes
Stone is the one pulling Alex's strings.
dan friesen
I think it's possible, and it certainly fits his pattern of being a dirty trickster.
unidentified
Right.
dan friesen
It fits his pattern of opportunistic, underhanded, conservative Republican tricks that he has played throughout his career.
jordan holmes
And then you figure Stone is the intermediary between anybody in Russia, Turkey, all of the authoritarian hard-right propaganda outlets now are...
Coming together and creating a unified message.
Somewhat.
Like, the people who are pushing Brexit really hard are creating this same propaganda right-wing feedback.
dan friesen
Russian TV.
unidentified
RT.
dan friesen
RT and Sputnik were very in favor of Brexit.
jordan holmes
Everybody in Turkey.
unidentified
Yeah.
jordan holmes
You have the same thing going on in Saudi Arabia.
You have all of these different people.
And, like, it's easy to imagine that it's a conspiracy, but I...
with communication across the globe becoming more, or being so easy now, they can just find each other.
Yeah.
dan friesen
It's opportunistic.
jordan holmes
Yeah, yeah.
It's not like everybody got together in a back room.
It's just like, oh, I like what you're doing.
Let's turn that into a thing that I'm doing and then so on.
And it just creates this bigger and bigger feedback loop.
dan friesen
But I also think that there is an awareness that nationally, Nationalism is a very easily exploited tool.
And you can use it to enrich yourself if you ride the wave right.
jordan holmes
Right.
dan friesen
It's something that requires a scapegoat.
Globalism, great scapegoat.
jordan holmes
Very good.
dan friesen
And so you have...
jordan holmes
Jews also works.
dan friesen
But it doesn't make sense really for nationalistic countries to fully back each other's nationalism.
jordan holmes
It makes no sense.
So why is it that Marine Le Pen and Nigel Farage and all of these people keep having the same message, keep having the same admirers all across the place?
dan friesen
And Nigel Farage seems to run through all of them.
jordan holmes
Yeah.
dan friesen
He seems to be a very common thread through all of them.
jordan holmes
Right.
As is Roger Stone.
dan friesen
Well, Roger Stone through Farage.
jordan holmes
Right.
dan friesen
So I think that there's something much more nefarious going on here.
And I think Alex might not be aware of the forces that are at play.
That's sort of my feeling as of press time.
jordan holmes
Yeah.
dan friesen
Because I sincerely could see this being a massive dupe on the part of Roger Stone.
jordan holmes
Well, it's interesting to use Alex Jones in this regard because he's too dumb to bring in.
unidentified
Yeah.
jordan holmes
Like, you don't want him involved in any planning sessions or having any knowledge of any larger game going on.
dan friesen
It's not that he's too dumb.
It's that he's so reactionary that if you reveal that, hey...
jordan holmes
He's going to reveal it.
dan friesen
Yeah.
jordan holmes
He cannot keep a source quiet.
dan friesen
No.
jordan holmes
He's going to say whatever it is you tell him.
dan friesen
Yeah.
jordan holmes
So, yeah, I would say Alex is our lucky idiot in this regard.
dan friesen
Somewhat, yeah.
And he has made tons of money because of it.
jordan holmes
Of course!
And he will lose tons of money because of it as well.
dan friesen
Yeah.
I know that it's still very crazy for me to be saying that I think that there's something incredibly underhanded here.
jordan holmes
You think there is a global conspiracy?
dan friesen
No, I don't.
I think it's a very localized conspiracy.
I think it's a small conspiracy, but the conspiracy is, it is real.
And it is to...
Basically destroy international bodies that do serve to stop war.
Yeah.
jordan holmes
War is a cheap way to get rich.
dan friesen
It's so insane to me that Christopher Steele came out with that dossier and everyone focused on the peace stuff, but all the rest of it is coming out so hard to be true.
Everything.
Trump was secretly trying to lift sanctions as soon as he got elected, which is what everyone suspected he was going to do.
The reason that you would do that is because if they raise the sanctions, Russia can make tons of money.
There's obviously, that is him secretly trying to hold up his end of the quid pro quo.
Like, it makes no sense to not see that.
And Alex isn't that dumb.
jordan holmes
Alex is...
Ooh.
dan friesen
He's not.
jordan holmes
Alex is that dumb.
So long as you provide him an explanation that better fits into what he wants to believe.
dan friesen
Trump is fighting your culture war for you.
jordan holmes
Exactly.
dan friesen
So that would probably blind him to any number of...
jordan holmes
Well, think about all of the shit that he's...
All of the shit that he's spinning now is he's bringing back economic prosperity and all that.
And the opposite, everything that he's saying that Trump is doing, he's not doing.
dan friesen
His numbers are on the rise.
jordan holmes
And it's obvious he's not doing those things.
dan friesen
You know what's fun?
Even if you say that the polls are weighted, like Alex says 15%, Trump is now at a negative 20%.
jordan holmes
Yeah.
dan friesen
So, you know, in terms of the...
jordan holmes
Rosiest outlook, he is only hated by 5% more of the population than otherwise.
dan friesen
Yeah.
So, I know, I know, and you're not even saying this, but I know it's crazy to some extent.
I know that.
jordan holmes
I don't...
It's hard to find another...
It's hard to find another thing that fits all of the players, though.
dan friesen
But there's obviously another...
There is another scenario that, you know...
There's secret information that we don't know.
There's unknown unknowns, as Rumsfeld would say.
jordan holmes
Yeah!
dan friesen
I recognize that.
jordan holmes
It's either that or it's just one of the most unlikely coincidences that I can imagine.
That all of this stuff arises independently of each other.
dan friesen
And, miraculously, Alex Jones starts hanging out with and promoting a guy who is one of Trump's close associates and former campaign manager.
At the same time, he starts having on Steve Pchenik, who's spelling this narrative.
At the same time, he brings in a bunch of alt-right pranksters to be on his show to try and make things hip and cool.
It doesn't make sense that all of that would start happening.
Like, I'll figure out exactly the time that these things start happening, but up till now, up till July 13th, none of those people are around and he doesn't support Trump.
jordan holmes
No.
dan friesen
If I find that Roger Stone shows up and he doesn't support Trump, that'll throw a little bit of a wrench in the gears.
unidentified
Yeah.
dan friesen
But I can't imagine that being the case.
jordan holmes
Yeah, I don't know.
I think Roger Stone was on from the get-go, wasn't he?
Roger Stone was on Trump's team from the beginning.
dan friesen
He was his campaign manager for a little while.
jordan holmes
Yeah, so why would Stone show up on Infowars?
dan friesen
I think at this point he's still involved in the campaign in 2015.
And so once he goes off the campaign, I think is when he starts working unofficially as a propagandist for him.
Right.
unidentified
So...
dan friesen
I don't know.
It's really troubling to me.
jordan holmes
And Stone goes to Trump and says, I can get you InfoWars.
dan friesen
The fact that Alex is so dismissive and so unrealistic about what's going on with Russia leads me to believe that that is a weakness for him that was exploited.
I don't know.
We'll see.
But we got one more clip, and it's also from the July 13th episode.
He gets a caller that calls in and has a counterpoint about Trump.
jordan holmes
Oh, no.
dan friesen
He has a slightly positive argument about Trump, and it's interesting that Alex Jones shoots him down.
So even with someone saying positive things about Trump, here's what Alex says.
This call is about five minutes long, and I just want to let it play uninterrupted because it's totally evidence against him.
jordan holmes
Okay.
dan friesen
It's evidence of where Alex Jones' head was.
alex jones
I don't want to go to your phone calls right now.
I got two people that disagree, so they go to the front of the line.
I'm going to go to Richard in Illinois, then Tom in London.
jordan holmes
Oh, I know Richard!
alex jones
I'm going to go to John in Texas, Walt, Bill, and others.
Richard in Illinois, you're on the air.
Go ahead.
larry nichols
Hey, Alex, I'm a big fan of yours.
I want to disagree about Trump, and it's only because I don't think this guy takes orders from anybody.
I'm not saying he's perfect, but...
You mentioned yesterday he was a ringer.
I don't think he takes orders from anybody.
My experience with him in Chicago is I've watched as he's built this god-awful building.
He put this god-awful sign on it.
He sued everybody to get this sign.
jordan holmes
So I want him to be president.
larry nichols
Anyways, what I was hoping you would do is if you think he's a ringer, why don't you invite him on the show and ask him?
alex jones
We have invited Trump on the broadcast.
And, Nico, go after him again.
Tweet at him.
Everybody tweet at Trump and tell him, come on the show.
And I've said that's my opinion.
And I've been told by Jerome Corsi, who's had a lot of conversations with Trump and others, that he suspects that that's what he's doing.
And I respect Dr. Corsi.
He's a really smart guy.
dan friesen
So, I'm sorry.
I am going to interrupt it.
Because, I mean, there.
He repeats that Jerome Corsi, who knows Donald Trump, is saying that he is in as a publicity stunt and as a shill.
Also, Donald Trump does eventually come on the show, but at this point, he's not answering Alex's requests.
So even the idea that when Trump comes on and he says, your reputation is impeccable, we're going to be talking a lot, clearly, if Alex had invited him on at this point...
If Trump really believed that, he would have come on.
jordan holmes
Of course.
dan friesen
So that part is even a lie.
jordan holmes
Well, there's no way that Trump...
I would never believe that Trump cared.
dan friesen
No.
jordan holmes
Or had ever heard of Infowars before.
dan friesen
He probably had heard of it.
jordan holmes
Well, yeah, he probably tweeted out a link before that saying about how dumb Infowars was.
dan friesen
Maybe.
jordan holmes
Going by all of Trump's tweets about Obama and how they're the exact opposite of...
Yeah.
He doesn't believe anything.
There's no belief system.
dan friesen
But at this point, Alex is ignoring Trump.
He's dismissive of him.
And in kind, Trump is dismissive of him.
He doesn't care.
You want me to be on your show?
I'm not even going to answer your requests.
alex jones
Trump gives massive money to Hillary Clinton.
I can't imagine that you're a real conservative than you give to her senatorial campaign.
And what he's doing is gobbling up all the attention and then not properly defending his ideas.
The guy owns casinos.
The guy is tied in with some really shady characters.
After he did that whole birth certificate thing, he suddenly got his NBC contract renewed.
So that's my feeling on Trump.
My gut has never been wrong.
Maybe he'll have a change of heart.
Maybe I'm wrong.
Maybe a blue moon has arrived.
But again, there's a headline.
Donald Trump has spent years courting Hillary Clinton and other Dems.
That's where I stand.
I mean, he's like a cartoon character.
People think he's the richest guy in America.
He's worth $4 billion.
He's a front man, in my view, for some other more powerful people.
Bill and Melinda Gates are worth $78 billion on record.
Warren Buffett, $73 billion on record this year in Forbes.
Their real wealth is in the aggregate trillions.
Donald Trump says a lot of great things, and things I agree with.
But he's shown by his actions that he's a pretty slimy guy.
And look, I think people that own casinos are slimy.
I've been around it.
I've had a chance to be out to Vegas to see some fights and to be behind the scenes.
unidentified
Of course.
alex jones
And we know what's come out in the news about it.
And I just, I don't even feel good being close to it.
I don't lecture people about gambling.
You want to do it?
Go ahead.
You want to be a chump?
Go ahead.
If you and your buddies want to gamble over a poker game, that's completely different.
That's just making the game fun.
I get that.
So I have gambled playing poker in my life, not high stakes or anything.
But the gamblers I know, instead of being competitive in life, instead of going out on a limb in life, they go out on a limb in just somebody else's rigged game.
It's a fake paradigm to come into and be screwed.
And I think chumps gamble for high stakes.
It ruins a lot of lives.
It's mentally ill.
That's my opinion.
And I think Trump is a predator for being involved in it.
What do you say to that?
jordan holmes
I agree with most of that.
larry nichols
I somewhat agree with you.
Again, my only experience with Trump, I've never watched his show.
jordan holmes
I assume this is where the clip ends.
We can all go home feeling good.
larry nichols
I'm telling you, the employees over there were miserable.
They did not smile.
jalen martin
You could tell that they were exhausted.
larry nichols
And exhausting.
But he is moving the Overton window.
In a direction that, as a libertarian, as a Ron Paul, as a Rand Paul supporter, I kind of support.
So it's kind of hard for me to say he's all bad when he is moving the Overton window.
Now, am I being naive?
I don't know.
Are you wrong?
Well, generally, you're not wrong.
I agree with a lot of what you say.
As a matter of fact, the best investment I ever made in my life was that piggy tangerine that I have every morning.
But there's something there.
jordan holmes
You are a plant, Richard.
You're a plant!
larry nichols
I see him creating his own reality.
I tell you, not to produce your show, but Dr. Pchenik, I can't pronounce his last name.
alex jones
Pchenik?
larry nichols
He might be able to give a really good psychological description of what Trump is.
I mean, he might be a sociopath.
I don't know.
Pchenik would know.
But I just see him moving the Overton window, and part of me says, That's a good thing.
alex jones
No, I hear you, Richard.
Let me move on to Tom in London.
I can't really comment on your comments or I won't have time to get the calls, but I can't comment too elaborately.
Donald Trump is involved with a bunch of seedy people.
jordan holmes
What do you know, Alex?
Tell us!
alex jones
He's the richest man in America.
You go out and ask folks, they think he is.
He is a pop culture person who is involved in WWF.
And it's not like Jesse Ventura was involved and now he's serious.
Trump uses the same tactics in reality.
And so yes, to you who is awake, Trump sounds good.
But the media is using what he said and misrepresenting it to then discredit everyone else.
And so that's what's going on.
I mean, I can take one look at Donald Trump, and I hear this voice say, Danger Will Robinson.
I take one look at Rand Paul and go, that's the real deal, but they might kill him.
unidentified
So, there we are.
dan friesen
That clip really spells it out.
jordan holmes
Yeah!
dan friesen
I mean, he does, he has, you yelling is unfair because he's already explained what he means.
He's talking about mob shit.
jordan holmes
I know, but I want to know, I want to know names.
I want to know details.
dan friesen
Alex is never going to give that up.
jordan holmes
I want to know it all, man.
What did he know?
What did Alex know that we didn't know?
dan friesen
You can find that out by Googling it now.
jordan holmes
But that's not the point.
The point is I want Alex to say it.
dan friesen
Right, that would be nice.
But he has already said he's tied to the mob.
jordan holmes
Yeah.
dan friesen
He said that.
He said that he...
Makes his money running a casino, which also is where they launder tons of money from Russian banks and what have you.
But he runs a casino.
People who run casinos are predators making a false reality that exploits people who have a sickness.
That's not something that can be talked away.
He believes that one who runs a casino is a predator.
Donald Trump is a predator.
You can't take that away.
You can't be like, oh, well, I talked to Trump and he's cool.
Or whatever.
unidentified
Right.
dan friesen
Because he still has that history running a casino, and you think that that is a predatory business.
jordan holmes
Right.
dan friesen
So that can't go away.
jordan holmes
But if we go forward in time, that's where we start to see he did wave it away.
He did wave it away with a, I talked to Trump.
dan friesen
It's not because it comes on my show.
jordan holmes
He's a stealth patriot.
dan friesen
It's not because he calls me.
jordan holmes
He's a stealth patriot.
He's been planning this for 30 years.
dan friesen
And so in order to be a stealth patriot, he had to run a business.
jordan holmes
He had to be the most predator.
In order to fight back against these predators, he had to train himself to become the ultimate predator.
He is Arnold Schwarzenegger in the movie Predator.
dan friesen
I understand where you're coming from facetiously.
But it can't be.
That can't work.
It doesn't work.
jordan holmes
No.
dan friesen
So even in that call, it's super fascinating that the guy is saying you should get Steve Pachenik on.
jordan holmes
I know.
That was the weirdest thing.
dan friesen
It's the beginnings.
jordan holmes
That is the weirdest thing.
He's got to be a plant.
Richard's got to be a plant.
dan friesen
It's possible.
jordan holmes
Richard's full of shit.
One, Richard hawked a product.
dan friesen
Yeah.
jordan holmes
That's my first red flag right there.
dan friesen
A lot of his callers do, though.
jordan holmes
Do they?
dan friesen
But a lot of callers to radio shows are fake.
jordan holmes
I'm assuming they're encouraged to...
dan friesen
A lot of callers to all radio shows are fake.
I'm not saying that about Alex.
That's just true of almost every Drive Time show.
jordan holmes
Right, of course.
dan friesen
There are businesses that use actors and just pay them 50 bucks a pop to call into radio shows.
But it's possible because of the plug and because of the foreshadowing of Steve Pachenik's eventual arrival.
jordan holmes
Right.
dan friesen
It's interesting.
jordan holmes
That's such a weird...
dan friesen
So here's what I think.
jordan holmes
What a strange universe that these people live in.
dan friesen
It's very weird.
jordan holmes
Where somebody will just drop Steve Pachenik's name in there as if that's a regular name to throw in there.
Hey, you know who you should get to profile the most evil man that we can think of?
Another evil idiot over here.
Not any other psychologist in the world.
He could have said you should get a psychologist to profile him.
Nope.
He chose Steve Pachanik.
dan friesen
But that's because Steve Pachanik's involved in conspiracy worlds and stuff like that.
Like, he's a Sandy Hook denier and shit like that, so he would be the one that they come up with.
That's not all that weird to me.
jordan holmes
This is the Suicide Squad.
This is all of these idiots just fucking congealing like the blob.
Like, there's just a massive evil propaganda.
dan friesen
So, throughout the course of this, from July 6th to July 13th, we see no change.
In Alex Jones' opinion towards Donald Trump.
Except for him to spell out more that he's slimy and a predator.
He still doesn't trust him.
He's there to invalidate the truthful things that he says.
He's there to make a mockery out of the very idea of these true ideas.
He has that from high-level sources.
jordan holmes
Now, if we follow along the path of the caller is...
unidentified
Fake.
dan friesen
Yeah.
jordan holmes
Why would you have a, like, there are only a couple of different reasons to have a caller who is pro-Trump.
dan friesen
He's not even pro-Trump.
jordan holmes
Albeit reluctantly?
dan friesen
No, he's just like...
jordan holmes
He's saying, he's like, I'm liking what he's saying.
dan friesen
No, what he's saying is he's making...
Trump is making it okay to talk about these libertarian issues.
jordan holmes
Right.
dan friesen
Whereas before, that would be seen as too far out.
unidentified
Right.
dan friesen
So the Overton window idea is not that he supports Trump.
It's just that because he's so crazy and out there, he's bringing the conversation that we want to have into the sphere.
So it'll make it okay for Rand Paul to say the things that we know he's the real deal about.
So he's not even pro-Trump.
He's just like, we can use him.
jordan holmes
Right.
dan friesen
Kind of.
unidentified
Right.
jordan holmes
But as a fake caller, you're putting him there.
unidentified
You want that idea out there.
dan friesen
Yeah.
jordan holmes
You want that narrative to become part of the thing that Alex talks about.
dan friesen
But if you're doing that as a fake call, then you don't have Alex completely repudiate it.
You don't have Alex Jones say, now listen, no, he is a bad guy.
He's a slimy fuck.
jordan holmes
Yeah, that's true.
dan friesen
I don't think the call is fake.
jordan holmes
You don't think so?
dan friesen
No.
All right.
I don't necessarily think it is.
I don't have any evidence because the idea that he hawked a product isn't evidence for me because people do that all the fucking time.
jordan holmes
Okay, fair enough.
I didn't know that was a regular thing for his callers to do.
dan friesen
All of his callers take his products.
jordan holmes
Jesus.
dan friesen
But that makes sense with this cult environment.
unidentified
Right.
dan friesen
Like, I support you and I want to let you know how great your shit is.
unidentified
Yeah.
dan friesen
So even though we see no evolution necessarily in his position towards Trump, we do see minor trends in his own.
treats him bad, the media treats me bad.
There's identification factors there.
On top of that, we see him being incredulous of Russian propaganda.
We see him saying very positive things about Nigel Farage.
unidentified
I think if I would describe the situation right now, this is the storm clouds gathering.
dan friesen
Right here, we are leaving off on...
What I think is about to be a massive thunderstorm.
And massive thunderstorms don't happen just because clouds roll in.
There's pressure systems involved.
And I think these little things, like the arrival of Steve Pchenik, the arrival of Roger Stone, I think those things are going to be the necessary ingredients that come together and put a match underneath the gasoline spout that is Alex Jones' underlying idiocy based on globalism.
jordan holmes
It was a terrific metaphor.
dan friesen
Thanks.
jordan holmes
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dan friesen
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jordan holmes
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dan friesen
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jordan holmes
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dan friesen
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jordan holmes
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dan friesen
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jordan holmes
This is one of those weird things where we were talking about this before the show, and yeah, it doesn't seem like...
It's a very interesting thing for us to...
Go back and look at this investigation, and it's an even more interesting thing for me because you're the one doing all the work.
That's my favorite part of it.
But this is watching the beginning of this propaganda storm.
dan friesen
How did we get to here?
jordan holmes
It seems like we're right there at the beginning of it.
dan friesen
How did we get to the point where legitimately the president...
Is sending emails out to fundraise with InfoWars links.
jordan holmes
Exactly.
dan friesen
How did we fucking get there?
unidentified
Right.
jordan holmes
And you can clown on Twitter about how dumb these guys are, but look at what they did.
dan friesen
Yeah.
jordan holmes
This is something that needs to be fought, not something that we can laugh away.
These people are powerful inexplicably because they're so fucking stupid.
dan friesen
There's three things that I agree with Alex Jones about.
Marijuana should be legal.
Cops should not be able to take shit from you.
They shouldn't be able to steal from you.
And there is an information war.
jordan holmes
And Trump is tied up with some shady motherfuckers.
dan friesen
He's a predator, so that's the fourth thing.
But there is absolutely information wars going on.
He has his site named perfectly.
I totally agree with all that.
And I'm not saying that we have the resources or even the ability.
To be the other side of the information war.
But making fun of him isn't enough.
unidentified
No.
dan friesen
We need to understand this stuff or else we're going to be suffering the consequences of it the next time around.
jordan holmes
Absolutely.
dan friesen
And that's my mission.
unidentified
This is...
jordan holmes
It's so weird how scary this is.
dan friesen
This is why I've given up everything else in my life.
jordan holmes
It's so weird how terrifying this is.
dan friesen
It is.
jordan holmes
Like, this is such silly, dumb...
There were...
Somehow!
The propaganda outlet that is being fucking referenced by the president also spent a day talking about the Song of the South ride at Disneyland.
dan friesen
To be fair, that was David Knight.
jordan holmes
This is the world we live in!
dan friesen
Yeah.
Well, it wasn't the whole show.
I don't know what else happened there.
jordan holmes
That's the whole show for me!
dan friesen
Fine.
It's invalidating of the rest of the show.
jordan holmes
Yeah, exactly!
dan friesen
More to the point he spent...
20 minutes talking about a Chick-fil-A billboard.
jordan holmes
Right, exactly.
But that's...
Nobody else is doing...
This is what we need to combat on a very specific, direct level.
And it's very frustrating that it doesn't seem like people are really going after this.
dan friesen
Well, some people are enjoying it, and I appreciate the people who are listening.
jordan holmes
We do appreciate that very much.
dan friesen
But to be frank, we should have maybe a thousand times the listeners we have.
jordan holmes
A thousand times?
dan friesen
Yeah, probably.
I mean, this is important.
jordan holmes
It really is.
dan friesen
He's destroying our world.
He literally is.
And it's not that people believe Infowars.
That's not the problem.
The problem is the...
Okay, Larry Nichols didn't destroy political discourse.
But things he did set in motion the environment where political discourse is completely destroyed.
unidentified
Yeah.
dan friesen
The lies and propaganda that he was the source of about Bill Clinton has tainted the entire American political landscape for the last 20 years.
In the same way, Alex Jones isn't directly doing these things that are legitimately going to end up fucking us over.
But he has kicked the ball in motion.
Right.
unidentified
And as much as it's fun He played a big role in it He played an incredibly big role in it, even if you only take into account that he paid thousands of dollars for people to show up and soy bomb people with Bill Clinton as a rapist shirts.
dan friesen
Stuff like that.
He is indirectly responsible for Trump becoming president.
Trump is responsible for getting out of climate change agreements.
He's responsible for putting Jeff Sessions in control, who's going to roll back civil rights with police forces.
He's responsible for all of these things.
And quite frankly, Alex Jones is indirectly responsible for a lot of that stuff by virtue of the things he did.
I don't want him to be responsible for it.
I think he's an idiot, but I like that guy.
I wouldn't want to hang out with him, but I like that kind of...
I think it's important to have weirdos.
And I don't mean weirdo necessarily in the negative.
I don't think that a robust media landscape is just straight news, just well-documented stuff.
You've got to have people out there who are suggesting some of the craziest bullshit.
Because sometimes they are right.
And sometimes you have conversations that can be opened up because of their insanity.
Things that no one else would consider.
And Alex Jones, years ago, was that.
He still had a lot of bigotry in him, and that's a big problem.
But, again, it's still all covered under the First Amendment.
I don't think, you know, you can point the finger at him and be like, stop it, you're bad.
It's not grounds for kicking him off the air.
It's not grounds for arresting him.
He's not doing anything illegal.
He was that crazy person.
And this investigation, to me, is very personal in some ways.
Not because I identify with him, but because...
He's not that anymore.
He is the mouthpiece that is responsible for civil rights going away, in many cases.
He is responsible for whatever woes are going to come to our climate that lead us to be siding with Syria and Nicaragua against every other...
jordan holmes
Well, Nicaragua is actually way better than everybody else, too.
They've dedicated...
Right, so Syria.
Yeah, yeah.
Us and Syria.
dan friesen
It's nuts.
Like, I want Chick-fil-A Billboard Alex back.
jordan holmes
Yeah.
This sucks.
dan friesen
It sucks.
jordan holmes
That was a genuine, heartfelt moment of sadness.
Pour one out for Chick-fil-A Alex.
unidentified
Chick-fil-A Alex is going to go up with Hobo Jones.
dan friesen
But it is.
It sucks, man.
It sucks.
Because now we can't have that anymore.
jordan holmes
No, that's gone forever.
There's no going back on that.
dan friesen
But not even in the form of Alex.
Everybody else.
There is no sensible, and he wasn't sensible, but there is no, like, conspiracy theorist.
Maybe Joe Rogan?
I don't know.
That maybe is him now, but even he says some really fucked up stuff.
But, like, the Mike Cernovich's, the rebel media, those people are all weaponized.
They're not, like, Alex Jones, back in the day.
When he was just talking about chemtrails and even Y2K, even that, that wasn't weaponized propaganda.
Mike Cernovich, Rebel Media, Alex Jones, these are all things that are working towards a specific goal.
And that specific goal, sure, and they're working towards the same goal.
That specific goal is the destruction of liberalism.
It's the destruction of global cooperation.
I want to find a different word than globalism because that's not what it is.
They want to destroy these institutions that allow people to work towards a better future.
unidentified
Right.
jordan holmes
It seems like they're all organized in creating a new feudalism.
That, to me, what I hear whenever people start talking about...
dan friesen
Under the banner of prosperity.
jordan holmes
Yeah.
Or nationalism.
All of that stuff.
It's all billionaires, man.
dan friesen
Yeah.
jordan holmes
That's what is going to...
What I see from all of these things is...
We're destroying nations and rich-ass motherfuckers are going to...
Like, it's not Russia versus the United States.
dan friesen
No.
jordan holmes
That's not the...
It's not the people.
dan friesen
No.
jordan holmes
Or the climate agreement.
dan friesen
I mean, the Russian people try and protest.
unidentified
Exactly.
jordan holmes
Yeah.
Well, and...
dan friesen
Arrested.
jordan holmes
The people from Saudi Arabia, they would absolutely protest if it weren't illegal and they would be killed for it.
dan friesen
Yeah, Wilbur Ross coming out and being like, hey, when Trump was here, no one was protesting.
jordan holmes
That's not good.
That's a bad society.
Yeah.
All of this stuff is, it's people.
It's very, very rich people looking to make more money.
Putin doesn't really give a fuck.
He doesn't really care about Russia.
dan friesen
Doesn't really care about Trump.
jordan holmes
All he cares about is being as rich and as fucking powerful as possible.
dan friesen
Taking back the Soviet Union.
jordan holmes
Yeah.
dan friesen
And probably more.
jordan holmes
Yeah.
If he can get it.
dan friesen
I mean, he just said that if Sweden joins the NATO, he's going to attack them.
jordan holmes
Yeah, which, sure, man.
dan friesen
Yeah.
jordan holmes
Fucking fine.
dan friesen
To be fair, he didn't say literally he was going to attack them, but that was the message.
unidentified
Right.
dan friesen
It's like, guys, don't do it.
But thankfully, Sweden's like, we never said we were going to join.
What are you talking about?
jordan holmes
I don't know.
No, it's an oligarchy kind of situation that boggles my mind.
I can't understand how anybody would buy into it who isn't one of those oligarchs.
dan friesen
And, I mean, I agree.
So this has been a prolonged outro.
jordan holmes
Yeah, we said goodbye!
dan friesen
Try and make the point that...
We need more people listening and really paying attention to this shit.
I know it's really easy to...
unidentified
I don't think...
jordan holmes
I mean...
I would like it if more people listened to us.
That would be awesome, because I'm self-centered, but...
I would like it more if just more people were paying attention to the underpinnings of all of this propaganda.
dan friesen
I think there are some attempts to look at the stuff, like the media matters.
They try to cover right-wing extremism and what have you, but they feed into the outrage machine and all that shit.
They're great, and at least they're shining a light on some of this stuff, but I don't think it's the ointment that is needed.
And I don't think we are either, but we're fucking trying.
Anyway, thank you guys.
Oh, also, big news.
Big news, I forgot.
Last Thursday, Rappaport...
jordan holmes
Good thing we did this extended outro, otherwise we wouldn't have gotten to it.
dan friesen
Rappaport was on last Thursday.
jordan holmes
Yay!
dan friesen
So we have proof...
jordan holmes
That what?
dan friesen
Rappaport still lives!
jordan holmes
Rappaport still lives!
alex jones
Andy in Kansas, you're on the air.
Thanks for holding.
unidentified
Hello, Alex.
jordan holmes
I'm a first-time caller.
unidentified
I'm a huge fan.
I love your work.
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