July 6–13, 2015 Alex Jones broadcasts reveal his shifting stance on Donald Trump—from reluctant endorsement to calling him a "globalist shill"—while doubling down on debunked conspiracy theories like Sandy Hook as a false flag and Gardasil sterilizing Latin American girls. He blamed liberals for promoting Islam via MTV’s White People while ignoring vaccines, fluoride, and McDonald’s, despite earlier portraying the Clintons as villains. The episode also highlights his fringe claims about Trump’s ties to casinos and mobs, mirroring Russian state media (RT) and far-right figures like Nigel Farage, exposing how conspiracy networks weaponize distrust to fuel nationalist propaganda. [Automatically generated summary]
I think there's a passage out of Lovecraft where it's like it's truly horrifying to hear animal sounds where human sounds should come, or human sounds where animal sounds should come.
Anyway, this is not a Lovecraft podcast, although I mentioned him a bit.
But that's just because we're starting to live in an eldritch terror.
Anyway, Jordan, today we are going to be embarking on our third installment of the investigation that I've been doing deep into the past of 2015, trying to figure out exactly what the fuck happened to Alex Jones.
So we'll get to this installment, but because people have asked on Twitter and you just asked me right before the show, I want to get everyone up to speed with what's going on in current day because we're not going to cover it.
Last week was a shit show.
There was no show on Monday again because of Memorial Day.
made of starlight and rainbows uh it that's why we're not going to do an episode on it because the whole episode is mostly alex losing his mind and talking about he's still in his manic episode And so he's talking about how July 1st, 2017 will be the most important day in history.
And here's why, is because he believes that the way the globalists fund themselves is through this carbon tax that's been imposed.
Climate change isn't real.
It's all a charade to create a carbon tax that goes to Al Gore.
I don't know.
Perfect.
I don't get the A to B there, but be that as it may.
So he's, I don't, we discussed it a little bit on the last episode that when he's in this sort of manic state, it's tough to talk about it without making fun of what is sort of overt mental illness.
His beliefs are stupid, but I resent everybody making fun of him for his alleged pica.
You know, that is a condition.
And I really don't like to see people when he is so fucking open to attack for so many other things, all of these people making fun of him because he came out and admitted that he eats paper.
On July 5th, Alex Jones very strongly indicated that he is fully aware of Trump's mob connections.
And so we go from dismissal and not even talking about Trump to within a couple days, I think 16 days after Trump had announced his candidacy, Alex Jones is saying this guy is mobbed up.
He agrees with that rhetoric, but he knows that Trump isn't going to follow through on it.
Also, at the end of our last episode, we revealed that Paul Joseph Watson also thinks that Trump is a shill and he's just in it for publicity and thinks he's a narcissist.
So that brings you up to speed.
We are now on July 6th.
July 6th is a fucked up show.
It's mostly phone calls.
Alex is sort of in a weird headspace, and I don't think he really wants to do his show.
And so he takes a lot of phone calls, and they're all pretty boring.
I really don't care at the end of the day what color you are or where you came from.
If you support private property and the right to self-defense and you support a level playing field and you're not a wannabe social engineer trying to guilt me into feeling like I'm a bad person, so I'll submit to whatever your agenda is, then I care about you and I want you to succeed.
There's two issues that this Donald Trump situation gives us a window into.
I don't trust Donald Trump as far as I could throw an elephant.
Everybody knows that.
That said, most of what he says makes a lot of sense, and I think he's a really smart guy.
The problem is he won't deliver on what he says he's going to do, in my experience.
He is an establishment shill.
That's just what my gut tells me, and what I've seen, and what a lot of insiders like Dr. Corsi and others say.
Jerome Corsi, now the Washington Bureau chief for InfoWars, who has known Donald Trump for 40 years and regularly goes to dinner with him, has told Alex in 2015 that Donald Trump is an establishment shill and he is just there for publicity.
And I'm not sure about this, but I'm starting to think that he believes that the idea of people complaining about legitimate racial issues, he interprets that as a plot to split white people as one cohesive group as a voting block into a split group.
And some of the people will go along with the broken coalition that the Clintons put together, and other ones will become white supremacists.
He hasn't said as much, but I'm starting to glean some of that from his interviews that he's had with Larry Nichols and just some of the other things he said.
Yeah, it is interesting that the reasons you should feel guilt are the prior to the private property that you have because of the system that has been in place and built very literally on racism.
But the reason that I kept that clip in, because it is a little bit short and almost seems a little bit like a non-sequitur, is the reason that he says at the end, what's the agenda there?
And I think it's fascinating because it's like, are you talking about yourself?
Who had seven felonies and been deported five times and how they let him go.
San Francisco did saying they think it's racist to turn a felon out of jail for all sorts of crimes over to the feds who don't even deport him anyway, so it wouldn't matter.
One of the things that I think is interesting is one, I have developed two theories in my investigation thus far up to this point.
And one of them is reasonable, and the other one we'll get to later.
The reasonable theory is I think that Alex Jones, at some point around here, July 6th, 7th, and that sort of span, he starts to get really jealous because Donald Trump is getting a lot of press saying things that are very similar to things he says.
Okay.
I think Alex Jones starts to get pretty petty and jealous about like, why is everyone lumping me in with him?
Why am I not getting all the attention?
That sort of thing.
And then on top of that, I think he starts to empathize with him a little bit because of the way the media treats him.
I think that there is an identification factor that Alex starts to feel with Trump.
That's the most reasonable theory I have about what gets him to sort of shift over.
But there is also a possibility that Alex just lives his life and spouts the hate that he spouts, and then at some point started to see Trump jock his style and be like, all right, this guy gets it.
I never used to have this feeling about politics, but now I just want to hide from everybody and just let everybody kill each other and just be idiots because I'm pretty much there.
I mean, I'm not putting on an actor.
I almost left earlier.
Okay.
I couldn't even go on air earlier and they had to basically air a tape.
Like, I may just leave.
I just watching the videos, and I go out in the street.
It's not Mark Dice doing this.
The average Austinite folks cannot find their fat ass with both hands, and I want to slap them upside their head.
But let me tell you, they are the most politically correct, full-of-in-arrogate scum.
And I'm sick of them.
And let me tell you who they mainly are.
They're a bunch of pasty, stupid white people.
As dumb as the so-called minorities are, on average, they're more awake when I talk to them than these dumbass white people everywhere.
But also, this is the second time in a pretty short span that Alex has, in episodes we've covered, he's had to leave the studio and have a controlled rage.
You know, that's one of the things, yeah, one of the ways you can get it out is you allow this man to speak for you, and then you feel, you know, you get that dopamine reaction of, well, at least somebody's telling it like it is.
But I mean, you have to imagine some of these people work in an office.
They go to the office and rather than take out all of this weird, angry, conservative, white-hot hatred on their co-workers, they just sit there listening to a gorilla scream for four hours.
He claims he actually was on the show just the other day, recently, in 2017, to talk about how he has found proof that climate change is based on bad math, and he's going to release a paper about it.
Like, you can't disprove a lot of the things he says, but if he were to give definitions to terms, it would be like, oh, no, that's absolutely not true.
Maybe that idea will defeat him against Western weapons.
Most of them, cult M16s, U.S. 308 rifles, 556.
Most of it's U.S.-made delivery.
Oh, they accidentally got special forces trucks and armored trucks.
No, they didn't.
They were given them.
They were armed in Iraq.
They were armed in other areas like Turkey.
Let's go ahead and go to the clip.
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And that means that we're going to have to pick up our game to prevent these attacks.
It's also true why ultimately, in order for us to defeat terrorist groups like ISIL and Al-Qaeda, is going to also require us to discredit their ideology.
Oh, yeah, sure.
Twisted thinking that draws vulnerable people into their ranks.
that's not what obama's saying i don't think there's any like there wasn't even a word or or anything that you could twist that into That was just him deliberately misunderstanding.
So in this next clip, I believe on July 7th here, this is some evidence of Alex beginning to empathize with Trump more than just agreeing with his rhetoric about immigrants.
I believe this clip shows some kernels of I see myself and him.
And they'll say it's a sham marriage and send them out of the country.
But then if you want to come here from, again, the biggest group of immigrants now, it's not Mexicans, Chinese, and you come here and have your baby openly.
You have the baby two weeks after you arrive.
You come, you get your extended stay.
It's in the news how they do it.
You have your baby, it's all paid for.
And then if I don't want to pay for it, I'm racist.
Can I go to China and say, I'm here to have my baby?
I want my free everything.
I mean, it's crazy.
And what's really got me angry about this is the Donald.
The criticisms of Donald Trump that he's racist.
I mean, I've got articles here where Hispanic immigrant laborers, being legal aliens, working on the new Trump building, don't know they want to be around him or work for him.
I mean, that's an issue right there.
We should investigate Trump.
Does he have any illegals working for him?
And again, I'm not even against the average person that's up here wanting a better life.
The point is that the large minority of the people that are criminals or milk of the system need to be kicked out.
I mean, if you can't kick them out, then you don't even have a country.
This is Chumpville we're talking about.
I mean, I can't go to Mexico or Guatemala or Nicaragua or El Salvador or Colombia or Venezuela or Brazil or Chile.
Let's just go south and show up and ask for free arms.
But also, the reason people talked about him being a hypocrite for having his clothes made in foreign countries is that his whole platform was America first.
And I got criticized by a lot of our listeners who were smart folks and who went and really investigated that, hey, Alex, you need to look at this again.
All I know Is that the official story doesn't add up, and that when retired state police officers and school investigation experts and school safety experts and others began to investigate it, they were threatened.
No emergency helicopters were sent.
The ambulances came an hour and a half later and parked down the road.
DHS, an hour and a half later with a time stamp, put up signs saying sign in here.
They had port-a-potties being delivered within an hour and a half.
It looked like a carnival.
Looked like a big PR snunt.
Came out that Bloomberg, a day before, sent an email out to his gun control groups in all 50 states saying prepare to roll.
We have videos that look just incredibly suspicious where people are laughing and everything and they start huffing and puffing and start crying on TV, which is pure acting method.
You've got a degree, Rob, in theater.
I mean, this is something that even lay people notice.
He is a guy who has raised crazy amounts of money in quote-unquote investigating Sandy Hook.
He's a guy who has offered bounties for proof of various things throughout the years, and people have provided proof.
And he's been like, no, not real.
He's been like, I'll give you $1,000 if you can give me a picture of X, Y, and Z. People show up, give him pictures, and he's like, nope, not good enough.
The story that Alex Jones keeps pushing whenever he brings up Sandy Hook is that Michael Bloomberg, because he wants to take everyone's guns, the night before told everybody it's time to ride.
I found one article on Infowars about Mike Bloomberg and how he wants to take your guns, and he was ready for Sandy Hook.
Now, the article links to another article about how, after the Aurora shooting, the Batman shooting, Michael Bloomberg made a very serious effort in order to push gun control because he was shocked and horrified.
And if you look at Mike Bloomberg's history, one of the big things that he focuses on, and what seems to be a real big issue for him, is avoidable deaths.
So it's people like to clown about how he tried to outlaw big sodas, you know, giant sodas in New York.
But now, your uncle, John Dew, Navy SEAL, retired FBI agent, works for a successful security company.
I had missed this episode of the Nightly News back on June 4th.
And then again, last week when you did an update.
And then I heard you talking about it yesterday.
I knew that we'd sent our reporter Dan Badondi there for days to cover the city council hearings about it and the fact that they're sealing everything.
And then you just said, oh, yes, and that's why I'm trying to get my uncle to tell me more because he's been in John Gotti hearings and been involved in huge cases, a pretty prominent FBI agent before he retired.
And in his words, he said he's seen the most secretive mafia stuff ever, and he's never seen people more closed-lipped.
He's never seen something where it basically stinks.
There's a reason that most reputable news organizations don't send a man on the street interview out there with like, hey, what do you feel about Obama doing this stuff, huh?
Which could mean I've never seen anything this horrifying.
I've never seen something this tragic.
Could mean any number of things, and they're just extrapolating it because there's private conversations that Rob Dew has had with his uncle, which don't spell out anything more.
But it's such a good idea, if you're a bullshit artist, to not ask direct questions.
Like in the press pool at the White House, whenever they're asking Sean Spicer those inane, pointless questions, if you just got like, if you just got a direct answer from somebody, then you have to engage with that.
But if you're like Badondi, then you can just ask a random ass question, and he says, could be.
And that means that you can say whatever you want.
Because I wanted to get something out of him before we did the ⁇ because we did the show that night that day on the 4th, and I wanted to talk about it.
I said, hey, I've got this short interview with you, you know, and you're saying it's strange.
It doesn't add up.
He's like, I've never been in a court proceeding like that ever, where people don't know anything.
But then also the other important thing there is just phrasing because he's like, the people who did Sandy Hook know where your uncle lives, which is implying that there are people who did Sandy Hook.
And one of the important things that I don't have audio of just because it's long and boring is in this episode, Alex expresses some pretty strong support for Nigel Farage and the UKIP.
There are similarities between the two of their worldviews, but it's important that we bring that up because it does feed into my crazy theory that I'll be getting to at the end.
Beautiful heart of this republic filled with people I want to kill and punch failures that couldn't make it in California and other states who disgust me.
But the fact that you have it, you think you've now attained godhood, that you're so ignorant, you don't know what July 4th is, but you're running around celebrating, we're the Democrats, we're winning, Donald Trump's in trouble,
while the global stock market's melting down, while they put cancer viruses in the vaccines and prepare forced inoculations and feed us GMOs that sterilize every mammal species that's fed them within three generations.
What is it you don't get about this, jackass, that I've transcended all your fake left-right garbage?
We're under globalist total attack, and you can't even figure it out because you can't easily watching television and obsessing over the rebel tag all day!
Well, it wasn't as big as the one in 1929, and it really wasn't as big as the one in 1874 whenever he, well, that was when he continued fighting the Civil War by himself.
Right.
Then, whenever he was actually fighting in the Revolutionary War, there was a collapse of the pound back then.
And in the show, there was a guy, I can't remember his name, but he's a reporter, used to work for the Washington Post, and he set out to make white people understand the nature of white privilege and understand systems of oppression, these sorts of things.
The trailer for the show is mostly white kids crying.
But when you target five or six-year-olds and it's the gay agenda, then it's okay to teach them How to do stuff I didn't even know about until I was an adult.
Well, the stats that we talked about on a previous episode, talking about trans identity from young ages, what you pointed out was everybody who identified as trans once they were in their teen years, 100% went on to identify the same way.
Well, that's the other thing that he doesn't understand is that there's a difference between encouraging someone to do something and being okay with them doing something and being something.
Having messaging that is gay positive, trans positive, isn't to say, hey, kid, you should be trans.
And he mentions that Joe Biggs has a report on it, and he does at the end of the episode where he interviews a lady who went into a hospital, and all she tells him is that the doctor asked her daughter, are you a girl?
Like, people talk about how the internet has divided us, and my theory is more becoming, look at how far you have to go to deny your own human empathy.
Like, I would be interested in having that discussion.
Like, I'm fine if you say to me, like, I get my knee-jerk reaction to trans people is revulsion.
I'm not fine with that because I think it's an okay reaction.
I'm fine with that because you're just expressing how you feel.
And you don't really, you don't really have a, if you don't have any framework for that, like I grew up in a small town.
If I just stayed in that small town forever where it's just me staring at a bunch of white people who look like me, and then I see something that is so far outside of that.
Because quite frankly, I thought trans people were super weird when I was like 12 or 13.
I thought it was incredibly fucked up.
And that's because most of my context for it was listening to Loveline.
And Adam Carolla is very anti-trans.
He's super, like, it's just weirdo dudes and stuff like that.
And so that was my context for everything until I met some people who identified as trans and had conversations and watched some documentaries and looked into it a bit more.
And I had a crisis of, oh, I don't trust this Adam Carolla that I've listened to for so long.
If he could just admit that, then have a conversation and then just experience those things.
Just grow.
That'd be fine.
But by hiding behind all of this globalist shit, that's how he can get away with having a conversation with a trans person who is completely and utterly normal and reasonable and all of those things.
exactly but and that's the way that he will never that's his and that's the same thing that we're all white people do hiding behind like the i don't care if you're white or black or whatever And it's like, no, you do.
We're also getting to, I think, why it's dangerous for people who are young to listen to Alex Jones is because if you do get this brain virus of the globalists and stuff like that into your head too early, you don't really have an escape plan.
You don't have a hatch you can get out of.
Like with Adam Carolla's bigotry, I was very able to get away from it because it's not defended by anything other than Adam Carolla's opinions.
Whereas if Adam Carolla was saying, there is an evil cabal that is making people do things because they have a vested interest in destroying masculinity, blah, blah, blah.
It would be much more difficult for me, even when confronted with reality, to get away from it.
No, but he's doing a mocking character so he can get out some true feelings that he has, that he is afraid of people calling him a racist, because that is, in his conception, a label that people use to take power over you.
Now, the part that I meant when I said the reality is I believe that racism is a bigger problem than terrorism.
Yeah, and he's doing that mocking voice to sort of discredit that opinion when there's pretty good evidence that terrorism is a very small problem compared to ingrained, deeply entrenched racist beliefs that we have.
Jose Antonio Vargas, the host of the documentary White People, is a journalist, filmmaker, an immigration activist, a globalist, born in the Philippines and raised in the United States from the age of 12.
He was part of the Washington Post team that won the Pulitzer Prize for breaking news reporting in 2008 for coverage of the Virginia Tech shootings.
He's an anti-gunner.
He wrote, produced, and directed the autobiographical 2013 documented, which CNN filmed, broadcast in 2014.
And he pushes the DREAM Act for the children legalized to the people.
And during the trailer, he's we'll show some of that video right now without audio, if you're a TV viewer, bugging his eyes out at the white people.
See, how does it feel to be white, huh?
And just the whole time acting super aggressive and angry.
And then they all get intimidated.
Yes, we're bad.
We're sorry.
I mean, I wish this guy would come to me because, hey, I am like Martin Luther King.
I'm proud of myself.
I bet you money.
And Martin Luther King got beat up quite a few times by racist white people.
I bet you money.
I've been attacked by more black people than Martin Luther King's been attacked by white people.
And the black people that attacked me were just like the white people that attacked him.
They were racist.
They were scum.
And they thought it was okay to attack me because of my skin color.
I'm like Martin Luther King.
This guy's a race baiter.
He's more akin to the other side of the debate.
And I'm sick of it.
And we've been given this guilt, so we'll submit to total tyranny.
You see, I'm above you race pimps and you racist and all you grand dragons of the Democratic Party and the rest of you scum.
I really do care about everybody.
I really do want to stop 52% of black people getting killed before they're born.
I really do want to stop Latin American girls being sterilized in a UN program with Gardasil, which has now been proven to jack these women up.
Because when they attack these innocent people, they're attacking me.
I take it, personal.
I care about humanity.
And I'm sick of you globalists following hardcore psych warfare programs meant to bring us down so we're all fighting with each other and they can bring the nation states down and bring in world government that's going to target everybody.
Alex, what's gonna have to happen, and I hate to say it, but folks, there's got to be an education campaign.
We've got to re-educate people.
We don't even know anymore if we have genes in our bodies that are connected to our founding fathers.
We've drifted so far away.
But here's what's going to come.
You've got two choices right now.
Two, believe it or not, our best friends on earth right now, Bill and Neil.
Why?
Because Obama has his eyes set on turning us into an Islamic caliphate.
And at that point, he would become the leader of Islam globally.
Now, the only people strong enough at this point to stop that from happening are the Clintons.
And then if the Clintons get in, then we're fighting communism.
I think we stand a better chance trying to fight communism than people running around with their heads being cut off because people will go into submission.
No, but this actually is in line with that interview that he did with Mother Jones that he was talking about how the Clintons are our only hope of destroying Islam because they're cold-blooded.
Now, when we were on break, Joe Jennings came in and told me that he went to Disney World in the 1970s, and he said they had a Song of the South ride that then they later took out.
Tell us about it, Joe.
What was in it?
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Yeah, in the 70s, you know, I was probably six or seven years old and lived in Anaheim.
And, you know, Big treat that you got when you went to Disneyland was, you know, they had all the rides, and they were rarely.
You don't need this.
It's been there for a long time.
In the smaller kids' area, they had the Song of the South Bride.
Just chalk this one up as a lost great little ride.
We got to take out Song of the South, although they do use the songs from it.
I thought one of the most beautiful things about it was kids sitting at the feet of the older black man, him relating these folk stories as an introduction.
Of course, it was ahead of its time in the 1940s.
They had mixed animation mixed with live action and everything.
The original ride had like you'd go along with Brayer Rabbit, and there'd be like little things that would happen along the way, and then you'd get to Splash Mountain.
So that part is retained from the original, as I understand.
How bad of a news day is it for you that you're like, I'm going to get the engineer to chime in about how Song of the South isn't a ride at Disney anymore.
And he discovered that years ago, and we were just talking about it over the break.
Yeah, but it's just so weird to think that on this one, he's right.
Like, I can't conceive of that.
I can't allow myself to live in a world where everything Alex Jones says is utterly wrong, but the stuff he said about Trump before he became Trump's biggest fan is 100% accurate.
Again, we have to come back to what I was explaining on the last episode that it is the reality of this, the truth of it is he is right.
Him saying that Trump has extensive mob connections is true.
But that's irrelevant to Alex Jones' mindset.
What's relevant is that he believes that.
He's repeated it multiple times over the course of these last episodes, going further and further, spelling out how he knows it and what exactly he's saying.
And if you want to take a step further about that, it's the reason that I said that Nigel Farage was important earlier.
I believe that Alex Jones already has positive feelings about Nigel Farage, and we can't prove it 100%, but I would be very surprised if he isn't the intermediary for Roger Stone and WikiLeaks, which is obviously pushing Russian propaganda.
I believe that once Roger Stone gets involved with Alex Jones, you take these dormant feelings that Alex Jones has towards Russian propaganda, and it becomes super amplified.
All of this connection comes together.
At the same time, if you look at it, it's so important that all the major players now aren't in play.
They aren't in the mix.
So you have Alex with these latent things.
The true Alex is the bigot, is the male identity stuff, is the racism, transformation.
On top of that, eventually you get Roger Stone in there.
You get Steve Pieczenik in there, who's not around at all at this point.
Steve Pieczenik isn't around, and he's the one who pitches the counter-coup narrative about how the Clintons were pulling a soft coup and we did a counter-coup against them.
He's not there at this point.
Roger Stone isn't there to pitch overly aggressive Trump stuff.
At the same time, people like Mike Cernovich aren't around.
Gavin McGinnis, those people are the cool fun trolley guys.
So all of these other elements of Alex Jones' current sphere of what he does, his propaganda, they aren't in place yet.
But I now, through him saying all these super positive things about Nigel Farage, saying really dicey things about Russian propaganda narratives about Russia, these things lead me to believe that I don't know how to spell this out exactly, but I think Roger Stone probably targeted Alex.
I think that he knew that Alex had these leanings and he knew that he could use him.
And then you figure Stone is the intermediary between anybody in Russia, Turkey, all of the authoritarian hard-right propaganda outlets now are coming together and creating a unified message.
You have all of these different people and like it's easy to imagine that it's a conspiracy, but I think it might just be more along the lines of with communication across the globe becoming more or being so easy now that they can just find each other.
But I also think that there is an awareness that nationalism is a very easily exploited tool, and you can use it to enrich yourself if you ride the wave right.
It's so insane to me that Christopher Steele came out with that dossier and everyone focused on the peace stuff, but all the rest of it is coming out so hard to be true.
Everything.
Trump was secretly trying to lift sanctions as soon as he got elected, which is what everyone suspected he was going to do.
The reason that you would do that is because if they raise the sanctions, Russia can make tons of money.
There's obviously that is him secretly trying to hold up his end of the quid pro quo.
that would probably blind him to of course any number well think about all of the shit that he's the all of the shit that he's spinning now is he's bringing back economic prosperity and all that yeah And the opposite, everything that he's saying that Trump is doing, he's not doing.
And miraculously, Alex Jones starts hanging out with and promoting a guy who is one of Trump's close associates and former campaign managers.
At the same time, he starts having on Steve Pieczenik, who's spelling this narrative.
At the same time, he brings in a bunch of alt-right pranksters to be on his show to try and make things hip and cool.
It doesn't make sense that all of that would start happening.
I'll figure out exactly the time that these things start happening, but up till now, up till July 13th, none of those people are around and he doesn't support Trump.
The fact that Alex is so dismissive and so unrealistic about what's going on with Russia leads me to believe that that is a weakness for him that was exploited.
I don't know.
We'll see.
But we got one more clip, and it's also from the July 13th episode.
He gets a caller that calls in and has a counterpoint about Trump.
He has a slightly positive argument about Trump.
And it's interesting that Alex Jones shoots him down.
So even with someone saying positive things about Trump, here's what Alex says.
This call is about five minutes long, and I just want to let it play uninterrupted because it's, I mean, it's totally evidence against him.
Well, there's no way that Trump ⁇ I would never believe that Trump cared. No.
Or had ever heard of InfoWars before. He probably had heard of it. Well, yeah, he probably tweeted out a link before that saying about how dumb InfoWars was. Maybe. But yeah. Going by all of Trump's tweets about Obama and how they're the exact opposite of he doesn't believe anything. So there's no belief system. But at this point, Alex is ignoring Trump.
I can't imagine that you're a real conservative than you give to her senatorial campaign.
And what he's doing is gobbling up all the attention and then not properly defending his ideas.
The guy owns casinos.
The guy is tied in with some really shady characters.
After he did that whole birth certificate thing, he suddenly got his NBC contract renewed.
So that's my feeling on Trump.
My gut has never been wrong.
Maybe he'll have a change of heart.
Maybe I'm wrong.
Maybe a blue moon has arrived.
But again, there's a headline. Donald Trump has spent years courting Hillary Clinton and other Dems. And so that's where I stand. I mean, he's like a cartoon character. People think he's the richest guy in America. He's worth $4 billion. He's a frontman, in my view,
for some other more powerful people. Bill and Melinda Gates are worth $78 billion on record. Warren Buffett, $73 billion on record this year in Forbes. Their real wealth is in the aggregate trillions. Donald Trump says a lot of great things and things I agree with. But he's shown by his actions that he's a pretty slimy guy. And look,
I think people that own casinos are slimy. That's true. I've been around it. I've had a chance to be out to Vegas to see some fights and to be behind the scenes. Of course. And we know what's come out in the news about it. And I just, I don't even feel good being close to it. I don't lecture people about gambling. You want to do it? Go ahead. You want to be a chump? Go ahead. If you and your buddies want to gamble over a poker game, that's completely different. That's just making the game fun. I get that. So I have gambled playing poker in my life,
not high stakes or anything. But the gamblers I know, instead of being competitive in life, instead of going out on a limb in life, they go out on a limb in just somebody else's rigged game. It's a fake paradigm to come into and be screwed. And I think Trump's gambled for high stakes. It ruins a lot of lives. It's mentally ill. That's my opinion. And I think Trump is a predator for being involved in it. What do you say to that? I agree with most of that. I somewhat agree with you. Again,
my only experience never watched his show. I went to the club. This is where the clip ends. We can all go home. I had one gig. I'm telling you, the employees over there were miserable. They did not smile. You could tell that they were exhausted. I find him exhausting. But he is moving the Overton window in a direction that,
as a libertarian, as a Ron Paul, as a Rand Paul supporter, I kind of support. So it's kind of hard for me to say he's all bad when he is moving the Overton window. Now, am I being naive? I don't know. Are you wrong? Well, generally, you're not wrong. I agree with a lot of what you say. Matter of fact, best investment I ever made in my life was at Tiggy Tangerine that I have every morning. But there's something there. You are a plant,
Richard. You're a plant. I tell you, not to produce your show, but Dr. Pichin, I can't pronounce his last name, but he might be able to give a really good psychological description of what Trump is. I mean, he might be a sociopath. I don't know. Pachinik would know. But I see him moving the Overton window, and part of me says, that's a good thing. No, I hear you,
Richard. Let me move on to Tom and London. I can't really comment on your comments or I won't have time to get to calls, but I can't comment too elaborately. Donald Trump is involved with a bunch of seedy people. What do you know, Alex? He is the richest man in America. You go out and ask folks they think he is. He is a pop culture person who is involved in WWF,
and it's not like Jesse Ventura was involved and now he's serious. Trump uses the same tactics in reality. And so, yes, to you who is awake, Trump sounds good, but the media is using what he said and misrepresenting it to then discredit everyone else. And so that's what's going on. I mean,
I can take one look at Donald Trump, and I hear this voice say, danger, Will Robinson. I take one look at Rand Paul and go, that's the real deal, but they might kill him. So there we are. That clip really spells it out. Yeah. I mean, he does. He has. You yelling is unfair because he's already explained what he means. He's talking about mob shit. I know,
but I want to know names. I want to know details. Alex is never going to give that up. I want to know it all, man. What did he know? What did Alex know that we didn't know? You can find that out by Googling it now. But that's not the point. The point is I want Alex to say it. Right, That would be nice, But he has already said he's tied to the mob.
Because he still has that history, running a casino, and you think that that is a predatory business. Right. But go away. But if we go forward in time, that's where we start to see. He did wave it away. He did wave it away with a. Right, but you can't wait to wait. I talked to Trump. It's not because he comes on my show. He's a stealth patriot. It's not because he calls. He's a stealth patriot. He's been planning this for 30 years. And so in order to be a stealth patriot,
he had to run away. He had to be the most predator. In order to fight back against these predators, he had to train himself to become the ultimate predator. He is Arnold Schwarzenegger in the movie Predator. I understand where you're coming from facetiously,
but it can't be. That can't work. It doesn't work. No. So even in that call, it's super fascinating that the guy is saying you should get Steve Pieczenik on. I know. That was the weirdest thing. It's the beginnings. That is the weirdest thing that he's got to be a plant. Richard's got to be a plant. It's possible. Richard's full of shit. Richard was one Richard hawked a product. Yeah. That's my first red flag. A lot of his callers do,
though. Do they? But a lot of callers to radio shows. I'm assuming they're encouraged to a lot of callers to all radio shows are fake. I'm not saying that about Alex. That's just true of almost every drive-time show. Right, of course. There are businesses that use actors and just pay them 50 bucks a pop to call into radio shows. But like, it's possible because of the plug and because of the foreshadowing of Steve Pieczenik's eventual arrival. Right. It's interesting. That's such a weird,
like. So here's what I'm saying. What a strange universe that these people live in. Very weird. Where somebody will just drop Steve Pieczenik's name in there as if that's a regular name to throw in there. Hey, you know who you should get to profile the most evil man that we can think of? Another evil idiot over here. Not any other psychologist. He could have said,
you should get a psychologist to profile. Nope. He chose Steve Pieczenik. But that's because Steve Pieczenik's involved in conspiracy worlds and stuff like that. Like he's a Sandy Hook denier and shit like that. So he would be the one that they come up with. That's not all that weird to me. This is the suicide squad. This is all of these idiots just fucking congealing like the blob. Like there's just a mass of evil propaganda. So throughout the course of this,
from July 6th to July 13th, we see no change in Alex Jones' opinion towards Donald Trump, except for him to spell out more that he's slimy and a predator. He still doesn't trust him. He's there to invalidate the truthful things that he says. He's there to make a mockery out of the very idea of these true ideas. He has that from high-level sources. Now. If we follow along the path of the caller is fake,
why would you have a like there are only a couple of different reasons to have a caller who is pro-Trump? He's not even pro-Trump. Albeit reluctantly. No, he's just. He's saying, he's like, I'm liking what he's saying. No, but he's saying is he's making, Trump is making it okay to talk about these libertarian issues. Right. Whereas before that would be seen as too far out. Right. So the Overton window idea is not that he supports Trump. It's just that because he's so crazy and out there,
he's bringing the conversation that we want to have into the sphere. So it'll make it okay for Rand Paul to say the things that we know he's the real deal about. So he's not even pro-Trump. He's just like, we can use him. Right. Kind of. Right. But as a fake caller, you're putting him there. You want that idea out there. Yeah. You want that narrative to become part of the thing that Alex talks about. But if you're doing that as a fake call,
then you don't have Alex completely repudiate it. You don't have Alex Jones say, now listen, no, he is a bad guy. He's a slimy fuck. Yeah, that's true. I don't think the call is fake. You don't think so? No. I don't necessarily think it is. I don't have any evidence because the idea that he hawked a product isn't evidence for me because people do that all the fucking time. Okay,
fair enough. I didn't know that was a regular thing for his callers to do. All of his callers take his products. Jesus. But that makes sense with this cult environment. Like, I support you, and I want to let you know how great your shit is. So even though we see no evolution necessarily in his position towards Trump, we do see minor trends in his own headspace where he's starting to see the media treats him bad, the media treats me bad. There's identification factors there. On top of that,
we see him being incredulous of Russian propaganda. We see him saying very positive things about Nigel Farage. I think if I would describe the situation right now,
this is the storm clouds gathering. Right here, we are leaving off on what I think is about to be a massive thunderstorm. And massive thunderstorms don't happen just because clouds roll in. There's pressure systems involved. And I think these little things like the arrival of Steve Pieczenik,
the arrival of Roger Stone, I think those things are going to be the necessary ingredients that come together and put a match underneath the gasoline spout that is Alex Jones' underlying idiocy based on globalism. That was a terrific metaphor. Thanks. And I think a wonderful place for us to let you know that if you'd like to follow us on Twitter,
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it doesn't seem like it's a very interesting thing for us to go back and look at this investigation. And it's an even more interesting thing for me because you're the one doing all the work. And that's my favorite part of it. But like,
this is watching the beginning of this propaganda storm. How did we get here? Yeah. It seems like we're right there at the beginning of it. How did we get to the point where legitimately the president is sending emails out to fundraise with InfoWars links? Exactly. How did we fucking get there? Right. And you can clown on Twitter about how dumb these guys are, But look at what they did.
Somehow, the propaganda outlet that is being fucking referenced by the president also spent a day talking about the Song Of The South ride of Disneyland.
Larry Nichols didn't destroy political discourse, but things he did set in motion the environment where political discourse is completely destroyed.
The lies and propaganda that he was the source of about Bill Clinton has tainted the entire American political landscape for the last 20 years.
In the same way...
Alex Jones isn't directly doing these things that are legitimately going to end up fucking us over, but he has kicked the ball in motion. And as much as it's fun to be like, ah,
you didn't do that much. You're not responsible for Trump winning. He played a big role in it. He played an incredibly big role in it, even if you only take into account that he paid thousands of dollars for people to show up and soy bomb people with Bill Clinton as a rapist shirt. Stuff like that. He is indirectly responsible for Trump becoming president. Trump is responsible for getting out of climate change agreements. He's responsible for putting Jeff Sessions in control,
who's going to roll back civil rights with police forces. He's responsible for all of these things. And quite frankly, Alex Jones is indirectly responsible for a lot of that stuff by virtue of the things he did. I don't want him to be responsible for it because I like the Alex Jones who talks about Chick-fil-A billboards. I think he's an idiot,
but I like that guy. I wouldn't want to hang out with him. But I like that kind of I think it's important to have weirdos. And I don't mean weirdo necessarily in the negative. I don't think that a robust media landscape is just straight news,
just well-documented stuff. You've got to have people out there who are suggesting some of the craziest bullshit. Right. Because sometimes they are right. And sometimes you have conversations that can be opened up because of their insanity. Things that no one else would consider. And Alex Jones years ago was that. He still had a lot of bigotry in him,
and that's a big problem. But again, it's still all covered under the First Amendment. I don't think, you know, you can point the finger at him and be like, stop it. You're bad. That's not grounds for kicking him off the air. It's not grounds for arresting him. He's not doing anything illegal. He was that crazy person. And this investigation to me is very personal in some ways, Not because I identify with him, but because he's not that anymore.
He is the mouthpiece that is responsible for civil rights going away in many cases.
He is responsible for whatever woes are going to come to our climate that lead us to be siding with Syria and Nicaragua uh, against every other.
the people from Saudi Arabia, they would absolutely protest if it weren't illegal and they would be killed for it. Yeah, Wilbur Ross coming out and being like, hey, when Trump was here, no one was protesting. That's a bad society. Yeah. All of this stuff is people. It's very,
very rich people looking to make more money. Putin doesn't really give a fuck. He doesn't really care about Russia. He doesn't really care about Trump. All he cares about is being as rich and as fucking powerful as possible. Taking back the Soviet Union. Yeah. And probably more. Yeah. If he can get it. I mean,
he just said that if Sweden joins NATO, he's going to attack them. Yeah, which, sure, man. Fucking fine. To be fair, he didn't say literally he was going to attack them, but that was the message. Right. It's like, guys, don't do it. But thankfully, Sweden's like,
we never said we were going to join. What are you talking about? I don't know. No, it's an oligarchy kind of situation that boggles my mind. I can't understand how anybody would buy into it who isn't one of those oligarchs. And I mean,
I agree. I agree. So this has been a prolonged outro. Yeah, we said goodbye. Try and make the point that we need more people listening and really paying attention to this shit. I know it's really easy. I don't think, I mean, I would like it if more people listened to us. That would be awesome because I'm self-centered, but I would like it more if just more people were paying attention to the underpinnings of all of this propaganda. I think there are some attempts to look at the stuff,
like the media matters. They try to cover right-wing extremism and what have you, but they feed into the outrage machine and all that shit. They're great, and somewhat, at least they're shining a light on some of this stuff. But I don't think it's the ointment that is needed. And I don't think we are either,
but we're fucking trying. Anyway, thank you guys. Oh, also, big news. Big news. I forgot. Last Thursday, Rapids. Good thing we did this extended outro. Otherwise, we wouldn't have gotten to it. Rapaport was on last Thursday. Yay! So we have proof. That what? Rapaport's still living. Rapaport still lives. Andy in Kansas, you're on the air. Thanks for holding. Hello,