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April 10, 2026 - The Joe Rogan Experience
03:02:39
JRE MMA Show #177 - Protect Ya Neck

Joe Rogan and his guests dissect the UFC's transition to Netflix, analyzing matchups like Gina Carano versus Ronda Rousey and Mike Perry versus Nate Diaz while debating the financial sustainability of streaming deals. They critique scoring systems, praise BJ Penn and Islam Makhachev's grappling dominance, and discuss Alex Pereira's unique athleticism alongside concerns over fighter compensation and eye injuries. The conversation broadens to cultural criticism, attacking modern phone addiction in theaters, Marvel's tonal shifts, and the Harry Potter HBO series' casting choices, ultimately questioning societal norms regarding consequences and respect. [Automatically generated summary]

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din thomas
16:25
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joe rogan
01:20:45
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john rallo
19:34
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matt serra
39:47
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jamie vernon
01:08
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Speaker Time Text
Tommy Kid Rock Conditioning 00:14:33
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What's up, bro?
We're back in action.
We're back.
We're back.
joe rogan
We were just talking, and I saw Rollo calls to get off.
I told Rollo, save this for the air.
Because Rollo, years ago, shit, this had to be like at least 10 years ago.
20 years ago.
john rallo
That was like 2006, 2007.
That's crazy.
joe rogan
So 20 years ago, Rollo calls me up and he says, Tommy Lee wants to meet you.
He wants to talk to you about something.
I go, okay, sure.
So we go to see his concert.
That was when he was at Rock and Roll Supernova, the TV show.
unidentified
That was a TV show.
john rallo
That's right.
joe rogan
So he had a TV show.
john rallo
It was in Long Beach.
joe rogan
Right, right.
It was the show.
john rallo
You and Eddie came.
joe rogan
Me and Eddie Bravo came.
And then afterwards, first of all, Tommy Lee has the dopest green room.
Like, he sets his green room up like a fucking after-hours party.
He's got, like, tapestries on the wall and candles and lights.
Yeah, you walk in, like, damn.
john rallo
Like, DJ gear.
joe rogan
Yeah, he doesn't just walk into a cold green room.
Like, I'm lazy.
unidentified
He's got it.
Yeah.
joe rogan
If I go on the road, I just go, what's your green room?
I'll go hang out in there.
It's like, it doesn't just walk.
But he has it set up.
Like, everywhere is like calm and relaxing and spiritual.
And so I meet Tommy, and Tommy wants to fight kid rock in the UFC.
unidentified
This.
What?
What?
din thomas
What makes people think they can do this?
matt serra
It's for Pam Anderson's heart.
unidentified
Yeah.
john rallo
Well, wait, this is how it started.
This is kind of how it started that was that way with Pam.
Yeah.
Like, you know, they both were married to her.
unidentified
So.
john rallo
Tommy and her are always going to be connected because of the kids.
So she had split up with Kid Rock, and Kid Rock was emailing her, texting her, I guess, you know, still trying to get with her.
Tommy is with her, not together, but, you know, they were together that day.
And she asks him, you know, you're friends with him.
Can you call him and tell him to stop calling me and shit?
And Tommy's like, I don't want to get in the middle of that shit.
unidentified
Oh, boy.
john rallo
And she's like, you know, please.
So he winds up hitting, you know, You know, him up and like, look, dude, you know, I don't really want to make this call, blah, blah, blah.
Of course, Kid Rock took the heat, fuck you, you know, blah, blah.
So they're fucking each other back and forth, goes away.
Now, there was some MTV Awards thing.
And actually, let me back up first.
We were in Vegas for a New Year's thing, and there was this rumor that Kid Rock was supposed to come with his bodyguard and come to Tommy's room and attack us.
So, me, my man Kemo, who you know as well, we're sleeping in Tommy's room hoping they show up.
And.
Of course, they go to a different room.
They do go to a room, kick a door in, I think totally.
joe rogan
So they actually went looking for him?
unidentified
For real?
john rallo
I don't think they went looking for him.
I think it was a big publicity fucking scene.
They sign some autographs and they keep it moving.
So I'm saying to Tommy, I go, yo, dude, I go, fuck him.
I go, you should fight him on pay per view.
Imagine all the money that we make.
I go, I'll fight his fucking security guy.
Like, we'll fucking make a whole thing of it.
And he goes, man, that's brilliant.
unidentified
Oh, my God.
john rallo
So I go, I go, You know, I'm telling you, I said, you should do.
I said, look, either you fight him and you beat him up, or he punks out and you win either way.
And he's like, he's like, yeah, yeah, I like this.
So he talks to his management.
Of course, it just goes by the wayside.
Well, they're having some MTV Awards shit.
Security's not allowed on the floor there.
They had their own, like, you know, it was in a casino to have security for it.
While he's sitting in there with Pam, Kid Rockley comes up.
Kind of behind him and pokes him, and Tommy sees him and he goes to stand up.
Kid Rock suckers him there.
unidentified
He hit him.
Yeah.
What?
And I'm home.
john rallo
My phone is getting blown the fuck up.
Like, what happened with Tommy?
What happened with Tommy?
I'm like, I don't fucking know.
Like, I'm not with him right now.
And I get a call.
I swear, like 30 minutes later, and it's Tommy.
And he's going, fuck him.
He goes, I'm done with that motherfucker.
I want to fight him.
I'm going to fucking fight him now.
I go, he goes, I want you to train me.
I go, he goes, I'm going to move you out.
I go, no.
You're moving to me.
I go, we're not going to be out here with all your little fucking ass kissers.
I said, if you're going to do it, you're really going to do it.
joe rogan
Was he working out at all at the time?
unidentified
No.
john rallo
So, you know, the only working out he does is on the drums, which he does murder.
joe rogan
That is a little bit of arm conditioning.
unidentified
Yeah, for sure.
din thomas
That's like a little punchy ass.
unidentified
Definitely.
john rallo
And I can show you a picture of him with a choke on me, and it's legit.
Like, he did train with Horian, and I told you guys he trained some with Billy Blank.
joe rogan
So, I've talked about this on the He's for real, right?
din thomas
He was a bad motherfucker.
joe rogan
He was one of those like Raymond Daniels type karate point fighting characters.
matt serra
Yeah, he's a Tybo guy.
joe rogan
He's a Tybo guy, but we'll get to that.
john rallo
All right, yeah, so I bring him in, and I told him, I said, Look, when we're going to Long Beach, I said, I know Rogan.
I can have him come in, and you can tell him your idea.
And he goes, All right, all right.
So I bring Joe and Eddie.
unidentified
They meet him.
john rallo
He tells Joe he wants to fight him, literally, and Tommy said his sanctuary was his management company at the time.
I don't know if he still is or not.
So they call Kid Rock's people, supposedly, and offer this fucking fight on pay per view.
And Kid Rock's people wound up calling back and basically turning it down, saying whoever loses is ruined for life, I guess, because looking like a bitch, because they both had the rock and roll, tough guy, you know, image thing.
So that's literally how it.
joe rogan
How it stopped was that in print?
What's whoever loses this is ruined, or was that?
john rallo
No, no, no, that was that was supposedly the response from Kid Rock's management to Tommy's management.
joe rogan
That is correct, he would be correct, you know.
matt serra
Yeah, but even if it's a good fight, like a Stefan Bonner and Boris.
joe rogan
Oh my god, well, that would be different.
Then they both be revolutionary.
I kind of forget who won that fight.
Stefan Bonner, Forrest Griffin.
Yeah, Forrest won that game.
I know Forrest won it, but I kind of forget because the fight was.
din thomas
It was so good.
john rallo
It wasn't a bad fight.
joe rogan
That was one of the most toss up fights of all time.
unidentified
Yeah.
joe rogan
Like, who fucking knows what happened?
john rallo
And Dana did the right thing.
He contracted both of them.
joe rogan
It was amazing.
We actually talked about it in the Octagon right before he did it.
unidentified
Wow.
din thomas
Did you really?
joe rogan
Yeah.
He should give both these motherfuckers a bonus.
He's like, we're going to do that.
I'm like, fuck yeah.
It was amazing.
matt serra
Do you think if it wasn't for the Ultimate Fighter, it would have died out?
joe rogan
Who knows, man?
But it was like lightning in a bottle because there was another good fight before that.
Diego Sanchez.
Fuck Kenny Florian up, man.
john rallo
That was a one way beating.
joe rogan
But that was Diego Sanchez coming up.
People got to see Diego fight too many fights.
They got to see the later fights.
They forgot what a monster Diego was in his prime.
He was a cardio animal.
john rallo
The question is grappling.
I mean, Marcelo got him, but he hung with one of the best of all time.
joe rogan
Justin ADCC.
Diego was a fucking.
unidentified
I don't know.
joe rogan
Listen, man.
You can only get hit so many times.
john rallo
Agreed.
And he was at halfway gone before.
joe rogan
Take well, he was always like this open minded, weird thinker.
Remember, he had that guy that was training him that you had a little bit of a disagreement with.
john rallo
What about that loser, Joshua Fabia?
matt serra
Yeah, don't mention his name.
joe rogan
Yeah, well, he had Diego hanging upside down, punching him in his face.
Yeah, well, the video's insane.
The video's insane, but Diego was like super, super open minded.
Like, he was willing to believe in magic.
He was, you know what I'm saying, like, he believed in himself so much.
That Diego was like, and he was also like doing weird stuff.
Like, he would chew meat and spit it out.
He would just chew it down, like, get all the juices from it, and then spit whatever's left out.
You wouldn't swallow the meat.
din thomas
But he was fun to watch.
He didn't come out and he was fucking an animal.
joe rogan
He was a fucking animal.
Steve Maxwell trained him for the fight with BJ Penn and got him in insane shape.
But unfortunately, that was the fight where BJ started.
That was when BJ was training with the Marinoviches.
john rallo
He was leaping out of pools.
joe rogan
BJ was unstoppable.
Yeah.
There was a time where I would say, watch BJ in his prime.
I'll put that dude up against anybody.
BJ in his prime.
din thomas
There's no doubt.
I always say he's the best 55 of all time.
He was a human winner.
In that window, right?
In that window, when he beat Matt Hughes.
joe rogan
Yeah, he was a human winner.
din thomas
Yeah.
But you did a lot better with him than I did.
matt serra
I didn't want to bring that up.
joe rogan
I thought you did.
I thought you had a League of Mat World Championship caliber jujitsu.
unidentified
Yeah.
joe rogan
You know what I mean?
And a guy like him relies on jujitsu a lot.
You know, but BJ was just.
I was.
There's two fights.
The Kenny Ford.
I'm sorry.
Sean Shirk flight.
The Sean Shirk fight was prime BJ.
unidentified
Yeah.
joe rogan
Prime BJ.
And then Diego Caracas.
john rallo
What about Joe Stevens?
joe rogan
That's another one, too.
unidentified
Yeah.
joe rogan
But Diego was like more highly ranked than Joe.
unidentified
Yeah.
Yeah.
joe rogan
Wrecked Cal Uno.
matt serra
Well, I mean, he was a beast.
Look what he did to Matt Hughes when he took the title.
unidentified
Yeah.
He was a beast.
matt serra
Matt Hughes was just like, you're coming up to my way class?
unidentified
Right.
Yeah.
matt serra
That type of thing.
He was a Wolverine.
unidentified
Yeah.
joe rogan
The dude who would fight people at 200.
Fuck.
Leoto Machita, 200 pounds.
unidentified
That's crazy.
joe rogan
He was a woman.
john rallo
He's a good guy about that.
joe rogan
Fucking animal.
And did real good.
unidentified
Scary on the feet.
joe rogan
A natural 55er who fought as low as 45.
unidentified
Remember?
joe rogan
He went down to 45 for a while.
Bro, BJ was a monster in his prime.
john rallo
He was well rounded, too, before guys were super well rounded.
Like, he threw hands well.
joe rogan
If he just had the will to go through those Marinovich camps every fight, he would have been unstoppable.
BJ would, you know, he would just lose his focus a little bit.
I watched a YouTube documentary about, like, the rise and trajectory and then the later years.
It was really well done.
But it was all just talking about how there's this prime BJ, and that's when he was training with the Marinoviches and.
Incredible conditioning, and he could just go fight and not worry about his conditioning.
din thomas
Do you think he it wasn't laziness, right?
What do you think it was?
joe rogan
A lot of friends, a lot of parties, the king of Hawaii, for sure.
PG Ben was the king everywhere he would go.
People were like, It's PG.
I mean, he was the king in Vegas, man.
In those prime years when he was the champ, he was a huge star, so I'm sure he's a huge star in Hilo.
He's probably hanging out with the boys all the time, having a good time.
din thomas
Plus, his family like had influence there, right?
joe rogan
They had like money, he didn't come from poverty, but it's just like.
That it just was real hard to maintain those kind of camps.
Those camps are insane.
matt serra
He was also super, super talented.
And so it's like he didn't have to work as hard to still beat up people, like in practice.
joe rogan
It definitely came easy.
His flexibility and leg dexterity.
unidentified
Oh my goodness.
din thomas
I remember when I fought him and we were doing a rules meeting.
This is the time where we could ask questions.
Like they did everybody in a rules meeting.
And I'm in the rules meeting and Frank Shamrock was in his corner.
And Frank's like, Are we allowed for in guard, kick him in the head?
matt serra
I'm like, what the hell?
din thomas
Like, he was talking about his flexibility just wrapping around the back of my head and kicking me in the head from there.
And I was like, what the hell is this guy insane?
unidentified
Right.
din thomas
I was like, how the hell is he going to be able to kick me in the head from there?
But apparently, BJ had that flexibility to be able to do that.
joe rogan
He could do double Lotus without using his hands.
That's crazy.
Like, sit back and just fucking completely cross, but Lotus.
unidentified
Yeah.
joe rogan
Like, interlocked with no hands.
din thomas
That's insane.
joe rogan
It's nuts.
unidentified
Yeah.
joe rogan
His flexibility is bananas.
And he worked on it.
It wasn't just like a natural gift, but how smart was he to figure out if you could use your legs like you could use your arms?
They're so much fucking stronger.
din thomas
Right, yeah, yeah, yeah.
unidentified
There he is.
joe rogan
That's nuts, man.
unidentified
I'm saying.
joe rogan
He could put his own fucking leg behind his head with no hands.
That's crazy flexibility.
john rallo
I'd say he was going to kick you while you were north south.
din thomas
Yeah, he's going to do that.
joe rogan
That is nuts.
But is that legal?
No.
There's a lot of goofy rules, right?
Like that's.
I don't think it would be cool to stomp people in the head and soccer kick them, but at least knees to the head should be okay.
unidentified
I agree with that.
For sure.
joe rogan
Because if you're shooting on a single and you're holding onto it and your head's right there, that's a stupid place to be in real life.
Right?
Let's just real life, a real fight.
Why wouldn't the guy knee you in the head?
You're grabbing his knee.
You're all in right here.
All he has to do is knee you in the face, and he can't do it because you're on your knees.
din thomas
And let's be fair a knee when somebody's on their feet is worse than that.
unidentified
Yes.
din thomas
You know what I'm saying?
john rallo
There's way more behind it.
din thomas
Yeah, that's not as bad.
If you're on the floor and I knee you in the head, that's still not as bad as if me just kneeing you right in the face.
Yes.
unidentified
Yeah.
joe rogan
Especially if you're the Michael Venom Page fight.
The cyborg.
din thomas
Oh, Jesus Christ.
joe rogan
If you ever want to know what's the most destructive strike in MMA, the most amount of power you can generate has got to be a knee.
din thomas
A flying knee.
When a guy's shooting in on you.
john rallo
The only thing I'm not a fan of is the.
The jab, fuck the kick to the knee.
din thomas
I agree.
john rallo
I'm not a fan of it.
I'm not a fan of it.
Like, yeah, like, you know, you saw what happens if you hit it right when Khalil did it.
din thomas
Tedious, modestest, yeah, modest.
john rallo
You know, my opinion there is it's just something that if you hit it right, it's an injury's coming and not a good one.
You can't tap.
It's not like a knee bar or something.
So I kind of think if you can't kick a guy in the side of the knee for that reason, why should you be able to fucking kick him?
joe rogan
If you can kick in the knees, you should be able to kick in the nuts.
I'm going to be real.
I need, like, what are we doing here?
What are we doing here?
We're pretending.
Like, wear a cup and I can kick you in the nuts.
unidentified
Right.
joe rogan
There's some good cups out there.
john rallo
I'll just get a steel one.
joe rogan
It's crazy.
Like, why do we have weird rules like that?
din thomas
Yeah, it's crazy because, like, every time somebody gets kicked in the nuts, you say it.
You always say it.
Why don't you get a steel cup?
Yeah.
The fact that no one has a steel cup to me after all this time is unbelievable.
joe rogan
And it's ultimate cheap code in grappling to it.
Steel Cup Protection 00:02:59
unidentified
It was somebody.
din thomas
If I got your back with that thing on, yeah.
joe rogan
Remember Amir Renovardi?
unidentified
Yeah, yeah.
john rallo
That's a long time ago.
joe rogan
Yeah, a long time ago.
I trained with him at Legends, and he mounted me and he put his cup in my solar plexus.
Like I was ready to tap from his dick.
unidentified
Yeah, you know?
john rallo
All right, imagine my 265 deal.
unidentified
You know what I mean?
john rallo
And I always wore a cup when I trained, you know?
joe rogan
And it's also a lever for an arm bar.
unidentified
Oh, man.
joe rogan
It's like a rod.
An arm bar already there.
john rallo
How are you going to slide your elbow past that?
matt serra
You know, it's a weird fucking look when the guys wear the whole spandex and they have that steel cup.
So they got like a big fucking dick in there.
john rallo
The Shoney Carter cup.
unidentified
Yeah, it's smart.
joe rogan
That's a YoL Romero.
john rallo
You remember that Shoney Carter cup?
I think Eddie fucking talked about it for the entire fight.
It was a King of the Cage fight.
And Shoney was fighting and he had a giant couple.
And I swear Eddie just commentated about the size of the cup.
It was hilarious.
joe rogan
Bro, in the Taekwondo days, they had ones you'd put on over your pants.
So you'd have your gi pants on and then you'd put these ones on over it and it had like this big strap.
It'd go right up to your taint.
Like right literally to your asshole.
And then go all the way up like this, and you would strap it in.
But it was way better.
It was way better.
john rallo
Was it like a boxing cup?
joe rogan
No, it was just for Taekwondo.
It was just literally designed to wear outside.
john rallo
So you could kick it out.
joe rogan
And that's when I realized, oh, you can never wear regular cups.
Regular cups move too much.
It's just sitting there.
And sometimes your nut gets caught between the cup and your leg.
When you get hit there, it's way worse.
din thomas
And I think maybe the UFC should make that mandatory.
unidentified
100%.
joe rogan
You don't have to wear a mouthpiece?
Why don't you wear compression shorts?
unidentified
Yeah, for sure.
joe rogan
Wear those like the Diamond MMA ones.
john rallo
That's a cup I have.
I like it.
joe rogan
Legit.
And if you don't want to wear steel, that's fine.
You don't want to have dental floss up your asshole.
It's uncomfortable, but that's, I would think, if I was advising someone, I'd say get a fucking steel cup before they outlaw it.
Because they should outlaw it a long time ago.
din thomas
You should have to wear that, though.
I mean, it would eliminate all the nutshots.
joe rogan
If you're smart, you would wear a steel cup 100%.
If somebody kicks you in the nuts, it'll hurt them more than it hurts you.
Like, it protects you from everything.
It's uncomfortable.
That's all it is.
Just uncomfortable.
So, I mean, so's fighting.
din thomas
Yeah, yeah, so it's fighting.
So it's getting kicked in the neck.
unidentified
Yeah, yeah.
joe rogan
Dude, I can't believe it's legal.
I really do.
It's like one of the.
How do you have steel in there?
Who sees that?
matt serra
I don't think anybody has steel.
joe rogan
A bunch of guys do.
DC wore it every fight he had.
unidentified
Oh, shit.
joe rogan
Dude, imagine a guy diving on a double and you hip into him.
unidentified
Ooh, man.
joe rogan
You're slamming his face with your dick.
Your dick is covered in metal.
Your dick's covered in metal.
And that's legal.
unidentified
Yeah.
joe rogan
You have to have pads on your knuckles.
unidentified
Yeah.
joe rogan
You have to have pads on your knuckles and you got an armor plate over your cock.
din thomas
Yeah, I would definitely wear that if I was fighting.
Predicting Delagrati Hits 00:02:49
joe rogan
I'm selling them.
unidentified
Why not?
joe rogan
I'm going to start selling them on my website.
Because it's like, there's no way that should be legal.
din thomas
Yeah.
joe rogan
Like, how is that legal?
din thomas
I don't know.
matt serra
It's fucking metal.
joe rogan
You're bringing metal into the equation.
A foot can hit metal, a knee can hit metal.
din thomas
And you can do that, and the fact that no one does it?
joe rogan
It's not.
Well, a few guys do it.
We were talking about different guys who've done it that are currently doing it.
And I know DC did it, but there's a few guys who still do it.
And we were talking about it on one of the broadcasts.
I don't remember which guys he was pointing out, but there's a few guys.
Kenny Florian always wore a Steel Cup.
din thomas
But the fact that not everyone does it from Delagrade.
joe rogan
Yeah, for sure.
din thomas
Delagrade, for sure.
unidentified
100%.
Yeah.
joe rogan
Damn.
That's fucking interesting.
You're here with Delagrade.
He starts talking Thai.
No, I never heard of it.
He speaks fluent Thai.
unidentified
Does he really?
joe rogan
He's got that, he's like a Guinea from East India, from Boston.
When he talks, he can talk to Thai people, it freaks them out.
unidentified
Really?
joe rogan
Oh, yeah, man.
He spent a lot of time in Thailand.
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din thomas
Well, he's my man.
I go to Boston to stay with him.
Yeah, and his wife always cooks for me.
What a great, true, great people.
unidentified
He's a maniac.
I love that dude.
matt serra
On the Ultimate Fighter IV, we didn't have assigned coaches, and he would just work with us like anytime we needed him.
unidentified
Yeah.
matt serra
You know what I mean?
He was great.
And he would let us tackle him and fucking mount him and fucking.
You know what I mean?
Yeah, he was awesome as well.
Yeah, he's great, Mark.
He's a good coach.
joe rogan
He's a really good coach, too.
You know who was really impressive working with him was Kevin James.
You know, Kevin James, you know, you think of him as the king of queens.
He's worked with Mark a lot.
And Kevin's been my friend for years.
But I really hadn't seen him hit pads.
Baddest Lannister Characters 00:09:17
joe rogan
I saw him hit pads with Delagrati.
I was like, what the fuck, dude?
I'm like, that's good.
Like, this looks good.
din thomas
Mark will make you look good.
Mark will make you look good.
joe rogan
He's a good fucking coach, man.
He's a really solid coach.
matt serra
He gave Longo a black eye.
unidentified
Did he?
matt serra
He spawned one time with Longo, Kevin James.
unidentified
Did he?
matt serra
Longo was walking around like fucking Petey from The Little Rascal.
unidentified
That's awesome.
joe rogan
He's a deceptively fast dude.
john rallo
Yeah, he's athletic.
You know, for sure.
joe rogan
He's a big dude.
When I first met him, he was.
Jacked.
Like he wasn't as big as he got at one point in time, but he's always kind of seesawed back and forth.
But he was a karate guy.
He was always doing karate when he was younger.
john rallo
He's super athletic.
unidentified
There he is.
joe rogan
It doesn't look as good there.
unidentified
It looks like me.
joe rogan
Yeah, it looks like me.
I think that's when he was just getting into it, honestly.
unidentified
Right.
joe rogan
But he had Delagrati staying with him a while, and Delagrati was training him.
din thomas
Yeah, I saw him in Killcliffe, just like blending in with the guys.
Like he wasn't like standing out.
He was just at Killcliffe, just where I was.
Training, yeah, blending in with the guys.
joe rogan
He's a great guy.
I've known him forever.
matt serra
I just seen him in either Becky or The Wrath of Becky.
Oh, yeah.
That's a good show.
joe rogan
He plays a psycho.
matt serra
And the girl in it is great.
The girl's like a little psycho girl.
joe rogan
That's a fun movie.
matt serra
It's fun.
unidentified
Really?
matt serra
I think it's the first one called Becky.
And he plays a villain.
He plays.
joe rogan
The other guy that did it was Joel McHale.
Joel McHale played the second psycho in one of the other movies.
I forget, was that the first or the second one?
matt serra
I think he's in the second one, The Wrath of Becky.
Kevin was awesome.
These are good movies.
joe rogan
Kevin played a good psycho.
matt serra
Hey, did you ever see the Night of the Seven Kingdoms?
joe rogan
No, I haven't seen that yet.
I'm telling you, I'm going to watch it, though, because I'm in the middle of finishing the first season of Game of Thrones.
The first year, the first all Game of Thrones.
matt serra
What, you're doing it over?
joe rogan
Yeah, yeah, yeah.
matt serra
Oh, you've seen it already?
joe rogan
Yeah, but I haven't seen it since like 2015 or 11.
It's fucking amazing.
unidentified
I forgot so much.
john rallo
It's fucking awesome.
matt serra
This, you don't even have to watch any of the Game of Thrones, because this takes place 90 years before the first event of the Game of Thrones.
Sir Duncan the Tall.
unidentified
Yep.
matt serra
And it is so good.
It is good.
So well done.
And it's based on the novel.
I'm a fucking nerd.
I read the graphic novel of it by George R.R. Martin.
unidentified
Yeah, yeah.
matt serra
And I read it back in the day.
And it was, it's so great.
And you know how they have like trial by combat?
joe rogan
Yeah.
matt serra
In this one, not to give everything away, but this guy gets into it and he has to do a trial by seven.
So it's seven on seven nights.
unidentified
Yep.
matt serra
And it's like one of those things.
He's a hedge knight.
It's fucking really.
Yeah, it's good.
It's a great story.
Did you ever watch The House of the Dragon?
Yes.
It's a lot of cool shit.
unidentified
Yeah.
matt serra
But there's no one to root for.
They're a bunch of pricks.
unidentified
Right.
matt serra
One's worse than the other.
unidentified
Right.
matt serra
I mean, back in Game of Thrones, Jon Snow, we had that.
unidentified
Right.
matt serra
Ned Stark.
Guys do it.
Even some guys that are, you know, even just great characters and some guys that are on, like, The Hound, who's like the anti hero.
But with this one, it's just a fucking good, solid dude trying to do the right thing.
unidentified
Yep.
matt serra
And, uh, And by trying to do the right thing, he gets into some trouble.
And it's just, it gives you like, it's like being righteous and have real heroics.
You know what I mean?
Some shit's missing nowadays because it's all about getting a fucking message in there or making some shit diverse, which I love, though.
joe rogan
You know what's really funny about it?
Game of Thrones.
Game of Thrones was like a feminist series.
If you really think about it, I mean, it really was.
But without any fanfare.
Like, no bringing it up.
No one paid attention to it.
But the baddest people on that show were the women.
Cersei Lannister was the baddest bitch in the world.
Arya Stark fucking killed everybody.
Sansa Stark kept it together through all that shit.
Brianna of Tar fucked everybody up, including the hounds.
john rallo
Yeah, I didn't realize that.
I got the queen of dragons.
joe rogan
Yes, and you got Daenerys.
The queen of dragons, who's the baddest motherfucker on earth.
You literally can't.
Burn her and she's got three dragons.
Yeah, it's a feminist series.
unidentified
I didn't even realize that.
joe rogan
It is, it's a completely feminist series, but without it, it never even crosses your mind because it's so good you don't care.
It's not, it's not like dumb.
john rallo
You haven't watched that scene?
din thomas
No, I, yeah, all right, yeah.
And House of Dragons is the same way, right?
joe rogan
Like, there's some of these like Star Wars movies where it's all women generals and you're like, shut the fuck up, shut the fuck up, and all the men are scared of them and they all like, get out of the room.
Like, this is fiction, right?
This is nonsense.
Even though that's obviously fiction too, it's way better.
A lady that has dragons.
The hottest bitch around.
She's got dragons.
unidentified
Yeah, yeah, yeah.
joe rogan
She fucks a bunch of killers.
unidentified
Yeah.
joe rogan
She brings them into her bed.
din thomas
Well, because they do a good job of making them.
john rallo
They're fucking barbarians.
din thomas
Well, they do such a good job of making them flawed.
unidentified
Yeah.
din thomas
That you don't even realize that they are the baddest motherfuckers in the world.
But they're flawed in a way where it's like it makes them human.
unidentified
Yeah.
joe rogan
Yeah.
I mean, look at Cersei Lanister.
All of her kids gone.
That bitch survives.
She's got a giant demon that watches over her.
unidentified
Yeah.
Right?
din thomas
Like she's in love with her brother.
joe rogan
She fucks her brother.
unidentified
Her brother.
Her brother.
joe rogan
Maybe when she had the.
Well, spoiler alert.
When she had that, the priest that tortured her while she was in the cell, when they finally got her.
unidentified
Yeah.
joe rogan
And she's like, I'm ready to meet my maker.
She's like, Oh, you're not going to die today.
Oh, man.
And then the.
unidentified
He was a shot.
matt serra
That was John Rolo.
unidentified
That was John Rolo.
Fucking hell.
joe rogan
Oh, my God.
unidentified
Oh, dude.
joe rogan
That was such a horrifying scene.
matt serra
It was such a great show.
din thomas
Is there a better, like, world universe than that?
john rallo
No one was safe on that show.
You never knew.
The biggest character could just get.
Fucking murked like the next episode.
joe rogan
Yeah, Pedro Pascal that played that.
unidentified
What was his character?
Oh, yeah.
john rallo
Dor, when he got killed by the old prince of Dor.
joe rogan
First of all, I never thought they would kill him.
Like, that guy's an important character.
He's bringing all this new life to the show.
And all of a sudden, you see the mountain.
unidentified
Get his arm.
joe rogan
Knuckles into that guy's eyeballs and flushes.
john rallo
Yeah, that was so crazy.
joe rogan
Holy fuck.
That was like one of the most disturbing murder scenes you've ever seen in your life.
matt serra
And he was doing great.
He was taking the shit out of him.
He got too cocky.
john rallo
Yeah, man.
He worked him over.
joe rogan
Thought he had him.
matt serra
You raped her!
You murdered her!
You killed her children!
Some shit like that.
He kept repeating it.
joe rogan
Yeah, and it was strutting around with the mountains on his back.
unidentified
They are.
joe rogan
What a crazy show.
Such a good show.
One of the greatest shows of all time.
matt serra
I'm telling you, you gotta text me after you watch The Night of the Seven Kingdoms because it's all out.
joe rogan
You can binge it.
I'm gonna do it as soon as we're done with this.
We're on season seven now.
john rallo
Six episodes.
matt serra
Each episode's like 30 minutes.
john rallo
Right, you run through it.
joe rogan
The House of Dragons never really dragged me in.
unidentified
It did.
joe rogan
It was interesting.
unidentified
Yeah.
joe rogan
You know, it was like I liked it.
But it wasn't the same thing.
john rallo
Definitely not.
I think this, the new one is, in my opinion, better, I thought.
matt serra
Oh, the Sniper, whatever.
It's so good.
unidentified
It's Seven Kingdoms.
matt serra
There's parts in it that just get you going, like, fuck you there.
unidentified
Hell yeah.
john rallo
Hell yeah.
I'm looking forward to it.
I hope they lengthen it a little bit.
You know what I'm saying?
Six half hour episodes.
din thomas
But I love the relationship between the kid and the dunk.
unidentified
Yeah.
That was the whole show.
john rallo
cool, right?
joe rogan
One thing I did love about House of Dragons when they were trying to figure out who could ride a dragon.
matt serra
Oh, that was cool.
joe rogan
And they brought all those people down there to Tesco.
unidentified
Oh, yeah.
matt serra
Snatch.
joe rogan
Snatch.
You have to have some Targaryen blood.
And a lot of the Targaryens fucked a lot of regular people.
So they were searching for Targaryen blood, just taking people out of the pub and just push them in front of the drag.
matt serra
That was crazy.
She first asked one of the King's Guard, like, you know, we tracked you back to whatever.
And he's like, oh, it's a great honor.
No, I want to do it.
unidentified
Yeah, buddy.
matt serra
Careful what you wish for, motherfucker.
joe rogan
That scene was nuts.
That scene was nuts.
john rallo
Dude, the red wedding fucking happened.
It was the craziest shit.
joe rogan
We couldn't believe it was happening.
While it was happening, like, this can't be happening.
john rallo
Because we're taking everybody.
joe rogan
It's happening.
This can't be happening.
matt serra
Did you hate the ending as much as.
joe rogan
I did not enjoy it.
It felt to me like they had to tie it up and, like, da da da, nice little ball.
You know, I would have been almost better if it was like No Country for Old Men style.
din thomas
I think all shows should be like that because life continues afterwards, right?
You don't have to tie it in.
joe rogan
I'm not.
You're 12.
din thomas
Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah.
matt serra
Once it got past the books, it took a hit.
Yeah.
joe rogan
Well, that guy's a genius.
I mean, the world that guy created and the complexity of all the characters, like Tyrion Lannister and Tywin Lannister.
Oh, my gosh.
john rallo
I mean, Tyrion Ransom.
joe rogan
Yeah, man.
I mean, that guy was so fucking good, man.
matt serra
They're already doing the Sworn Sword, which is the second book of Game of Thrones of the Duncan Egg Tales.
unidentified
Oh, nice.
Yeah.
john rallo
Awesome.
joe rogan
That's his writing too?
matt serra
That's his, yeah.
joe rogan
He also did another one.
matt serra
He did three books.
It was.
A Night of the Seven Kingdoms, which they just did.
They're going to do a Sworn Sword, and then it's the Mystery Night.
I don't know anything, but I know a lot of Game of Thrones shit.
Don't ask me about anything.
john rallo
Game of Thrones and Star Wars, you're my go to.
joe rogan
The world's so fucked up, you're way better off with that stuff in your head.
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din thomas
That's why I do it, man.
It's such an escape, man, just to sit home and watch TV.
unidentified
That's all I do, man.
din thomas
Sit home and watch TV.
matt serra
Speaking of Star Wars, I got a text out of nowhere from George St. Pierre.
He loves it as much as me.
unidentified
Oh, yeah.
matt serra
It was just about the new Darth Maul animated series.
Oh, no, I swear to God.
john rallo
Yo.
matt serra
And then he gave me back a report.
He told me, he's like, oh, it's so far so good.
john rallo
I told you, my brother's like, I know Matt's in the Star Wars.
Tell him to watch the new Darth Maul.
You know, Jamie says, It's fun.
matt serra
I love George.
joe rogan
He's the best.
I have the hardest time convincing people who he is.
It's hilarious.
unidentified
What do you mean?
joe rogan
When he comes to the mothership and people that don't know anything about MMA, they're like, What does your friend do?
I go, That is one of the greatest fighters that ever walked the face of the earth.
unidentified
100%.
joe rogan
They're like, No, for real.
I go, Yeah, 100% in everybody's list of one of the greatest of all time.
And he's like, hello, nice to meet you.
He just seems so sweet and friendly.
din thomas
Man, that's the problem with MMA is that you have to convince people about how bad somebody was.
And it wasn't that long ago.
I mean, it wasn't that long ago that George St. Pierre was the fucking greatest of all time.
No, it wasn't that long ago.
And now, but the fans are so new that they don't get it.
They don't go back and watch it.
joe rogan
They had to watch, like, go back and watch the John Fitch fight.
unidentified
Oh, man.
joe rogan
Prime GSP.
Prime.
He was terrifying.
Incredible gas tank, great flow between grappling and striking.
Very creative.
john rallo
He put that shit together the best.
That's why he had such success taking everybody down.
He would set it up, his level change.
And he always ran through every takedown.
It was never.
Yeah, yeah, yeah.
He was going to run you across the cage.
joe rogan
George was phenomenal.
And then I think Farah Zahabi was a big part of that too.
Farah Zahabi's a bad motherfucker.
unidentified
Yeah, yeah.
din thomas
He's smart.
joe rogan
You ever watch his YouTube breakdowns?
din thomas
Sometimes, yeah.
unidentified
Yeah, yeah.
din thomas
He's incredible.
He's very astute.
joe rogan
He's so knowledgeable of the game, of every aspect of it.
matt serra
His brother is doing well.
joe rogan
Yeah, his brother's fighting at the White House.
matt serra
He's fighting Sean O'Malley, and I think people are sleeping on him.
joe rogan
Well, listen, he keeps winning.
unidentified
Yeah.
joe rogan
He keeps fucking winning.
The one fight that he had that was kind of a little controversial was Aldo.
Remember, Aldo almost had it.
din thomas
Yeah, for sure.
I'm not sure he won that fight.
unidentified
Maybe.
joe rogan
Because I think they're not being generous enough with the 10 8s and the 10 7s.
din thomas
They don't do it enough.
joe rogan
Not enough.
When a guy just tunes you up for like a minute and a half of the round and you almost go unconscious, you know, like that means a lot.
din thomas
I hate the fact that they don't use it enough.
All because, like, Dana was like, oh, I don't like it.
And now the judges are just like, no, we can't do it because.
joe rogan
Listen, the scoring system sucks because we stole it from boxing.
It's not.
It doesn't have enough points.
unidentified
For sure.
joe rogan
It should be like, you should get a certain amount of points for different things.
But it would be really hard to calculate because it would have to be subjective.
Like, if Pereira hits you, it's way harder than if someone's like, you know, Paul Craig.
unidentified
Right.
Yeah.
joe rogan
No disrespect.
But you know what I'm saying?
The consequences are very different.
So if he hits you with a left hook, It's different than if Pereira hits you the left foot.
So that's subjective.
But in terms of what happens in the fight, you should be counting in submission attempts.
You should be counting in takedown attempts.
Like who was more aggressive?
Who was more defensive?
Who implemented their strategy?
You should have like 100 points to work with.
din thomas
Absolutely.
He got 10 points.
Why are we only using two of them?
joe rogan
Nine in a 10.
din thomas
Why?
I don't get it.
joe rogan
It doesn't make any sense because there are 10-9 rounds that are like, ah, could be anybody.
And there are 10-9 rounds where he dominated.
That's not true.
din thomas
Well, see, like UFC BJJ uses that.
And it works better for that because they're very liberal with the 10 8s and 10 7s.
They use it a lot.
They're like, if it's close, it's a 10 9.
If it's one sided, it's automatically a 10 8.
So they use it a lot.
That makes more sense.
joe rogan
That does make more sense.
But even in BJJ, I would say you'd need more points.
You need to like, it's like the difference between a 70 30 round where a guy's dominating you 70% of the time and a 51 49 round is fucking huge.
unidentified
Yeah.
joe rogan
It's huge and it doesn't reflect it in the scorecards at all.
unidentified
Yeah.
joe rogan
So, like, you could win a 10 9 round the first round where it's like you're barely ahead.
Like, maybe I'll give it to you.
And then the second round, that dude fucks you up and he gets a 10 9 round because you didn't go down.
unidentified
Yeah.
joe rogan
But he's head kicking you and you're blocking it.
You're getting teeped.
Your legs are getting kicked all the time.
It's still a 10 9 round.
That's nuts.
unidentified
No.
joe rogan
Just because you didn't go unconscious?
Just because you didn't get knocked down?
matt serra
I think it's my ADD's kicking in, but we're talking about the close calls, close scoring.
I thought Aljo.
I thought he should have got that nod against fucking.
john rallo
Ivoryev?
I thought so too.
I didn't think there was a.
matt serra
The guy got on the.
One question, dude.
He got on the wrestle at the end, like a minute 30 left, and Aljo was winning that whole first round.
joe rogan
Aljo is a nightmare for a grappling expert.
matt serra
He could be undefeated at 143.
joe rogan
He's a nightmare, because if your whole thing is grappling with people and you got to grapple with Aljo, you got problems.
unidentified
Yeah.
joe rogan
That dude gets your back.
He's got.
john rallo
I mean, him and Jan were 10 8 rounds.
Like, he was just on his back.
Dominated him in the second round, and they don't know.
How is that not a 10 8 round?
matt serra
He's fighting Youssef Salal, soon.
din thomas
Yeah, yeah, Youssef's allowed.
And that's on the 25th of April.
But I mean, but I think, you know, if it hits the ground, I think there's levels to this.
joe rogan
Did Aljo over Jan in the second fight, was that like the best anybody's ever done with Jan?
din thomas
Oh, yeah, straight up.
Right?
matt serra
His control is just so good when it hits the floor.
That's the difference between him and Marab.
Marab can keep getting you down and up, down and up.
unidentified
Right.
matt serra
Aljo hits the floor.
unidentified
Yeah, you're not good at it.
matt serra
He just needs back exposure.
He's one of those.
Some guys, they can't jump up on the back.
It's not good for them.
They're going to get tired.
Dude, all day long.
He'll just go up there, lock that shit on.
If he doesn't catch him, that's his round.
joe rogan
Bro, the Sanhagen fight was a masterpiece.
matt serra
His grappling is so, so good.
john rallo
Yeah, he doesn't get proper credit.
joe rogan
No, this is back take.
Some of the best in the sport, period.
matt serra
Man, they're not a big fan of his.
They don't push.
unidentified
Wow!
joe rogan
He's such a nice.
unidentified
Guy.
I know, he does everything right.
He's such a nice guy.
joe rogan
I think it's the one guy.
john rallo
You know, the young fight with the neck, I think that turned everybody against him.
joe rogan
Those people were wrong.
Yeah, but look what happened.
It was fucked up.
john rallo
And look what happened in the second.
I mean, he should have validated the entire thing by whipping his ass in the second fight.
joe rogan
But they already decided to hate him.
He had to get his fucking disc replaced.
It was real.
It was a real fucking injury.
matt serra
He could be a two time champ, a double division champ.
I mean, he's.
In my mind, he's undefeated at 145.
Look what he did to Calvin Cater, which was a beast, but it was very impressive.
If you didn't know Calvin Cater, if that's your first fight seeing him, you'd be like, oh, that guy doesn't belong here, which he obviously does.
unidentified
He's a beast.
matt serra
But Alger was masterful.
He's good at not getting hit.
So it's like he's not giving you that back and forth.
And Longo says, you've seen 20% of what he could do stand up and stand it up.
Like I'd ask him something.
He's like, he could put his foot wherever he wants it.
About a kick or something.
He's just really, really talented, man.
I hope he gets his shot.
If he takes out Youssef, I hope they give him a shot again.
Because I think he could be a two time champ.
joe rogan
Well, listen, he's still a bad motherfucker.
He's a nightmare for everybody.
Especially if he gets a hold of you.
unidentified
Yeah.
joe rogan
But I mean, people look at the one fight losses.
They look at the Sean O'Malley fight.
Like, Sean caught him perfect.
That's just how it was.
din thomas
And, you know, his head wasn't really in that because he didn't even want to be there.
john rallo
Nope.
joe rogan
Why didn't he want to be there?
din thomas
He fought him.
john rallo
They made him fight.
din thomas
They made him fight that fight.
He didn't want to fight.
unidentified
Yeah.
din thomas
They did, like, a whole documentary on it where it was like they kind of twisted his arm to be like, you got to do this.
joe rogan
And they were injured.
din thomas
I think he was injured.
john rallo
There was a quick turnaround.
unidentified
Yeah, two turnarounds.
john rallo
It was just as quick a turnaround.
He's the champ.
He didn't feel he should be.
Forced into, you know.
din thomas
But he thought the number, he thought the pay per view numbers was going to make up for it.
He thought he was going to get all this money from it because he was like, all right, I'll do it.
Sean O'Malley's going to bring in the numbers.
Then he said, when it was over, he saw the numbers.
He was like, if I knew the numbers was going to be like this, I don't think I'd have done it.
joe rogan
Really?
unidentified
Yeah.
joe rogan
So it didn't do well.
din thomas
It didn't do as well as he thought he was going to do based on Sean O'Malley's presence.
joe rogan
Listen, man, it takes a lot to get people to.
Pay for something today.
There's too much of it.
unidentified
It's just to seal it.
joe rogan
This Paramount thing is genius in that regard.
unidentified
Yeah.
joe rogan
Is that all you have to do is have that app, which a lot of people have already anyway.
unidentified
Yeah.
joe rogan
That's genius.
But to make people pay every time to watch fights, like, there's so much to watch today.
din thomas
Well, that was the one thing that my people at ESPN told me.
It was like, it's a big difference between being popular and then having people pay to watch you fight.
unidentified
Yeah.
din thomas
Like, you can be popular, but ain't nobody paying you to fight.
So it's a big difference.
joe rogan
It's a giant difference.
unidentified
Yeah.
joe rogan
Yeah, it's a giant difference.
matt serra
I like that it's on Paramount as a fan, though.
john rallo
Yeah, it saves you a ton of money.
I used to pay for every one of them.
joe rogan
This Netflix thing is nice, too.
It's good to see that there's someone who's willing to throw a lot of money at MMA in another large arena, like Netflix.
matt serra
What are you doing, guys?
Gina versus Rhonda.
I think round one submission, Rhonda.
unidentified
Yeah.
matt serra
Unless she wants to try to just stand up with her, which I doubt.
I hope not.
joe rogan
I don't know what Gene has been doing.
You know, I don't know how long she went without MMA training at all.
matt serra
She was recently a little heavy.
unidentified
I can say that.
joe rogan
She looks great now.
din thomas
Does she look great now?
joe rogan
She looks great now.
john rallo
Look, she got in great shape.
joe rogan
She got in great shape.
din thomas
But she's still like 43 years old.
unidentified
Yes.
joe rogan
Come on.
But the question is, like, what was she doing in those?
Was she still training some?
That would be my real question.
Because if you just put it all down and you walk away for 17 years, I got to go.
john rallo
I mean, but with the weight loss, with the weight.
Gain that she had.
There was no way she was training her with anything.
unidentified
That's what I'm saying.
john rallo
Like, she's back in shape, and she obviously is buxing her ass to do that, but how long, like you're saying, was she down?
matt serra
And she has to develop a grappling defense to one of the best female grapplers ever.
No, Ronda's.
john rallo
Her only hope is to keep it on the field.
din thomas
She would pull guard and sweeper or arm locker.
matt serra
Her arm locks are amazing.
john rallo
Her arm locks are amazing.
joe rogan
They're preposterous.
matt serra
You know?
I think there's too many.
unidentified
There's too big a problem.
john rallo
Dude or chick, her arm bars are amazing.
joe rogan
Remember that Kat Zingano fight?
Cat, yeah.
Charged at her.
matt serra
Cat threw her.
john rallo
That was the craziest thing.
joe rogan
Got her an armbar, like instantaneously.
din thomas
Yeah, what a stupid strategy that was.
joe rogan
Yeah, she blanked out on that one.
john rallo
So crazy.
No, but that was such a sick transition, too.
din thomas
No, but I saw a video of Gina hitting pads with John Wood that was kind of recent.
It did not look good.
joe rogan
How recent was it?
din thomas
I don't know.
I don't know, but it didn't look good.
joe rogan
I was just like, it's hard to tell.
din thomas
I hope this is older.
john rallo
She's a big girl.
Maybe she can stop her from taking her down or something.
joe rogan
But also, what were they doing?
Were they just working on slow motion shit?
Were they just trying to get a movement?
Or were they getting in a hard mitt workout?
unidentified
You know what I'm saying?
din thomas
I mean, either way, like, just mechanically, it didn't look great.
Mechanically.
So, I mean, but it could have been, it's like one of those things where, like, this could be like her comeback session and she's just trying to get warmed up.
But who knows?
I mean, you know, who knows?
Maybe she's, who knows?
joe rogan
You just never know.
I hope so.
unidentified
Yeah.
din thomas
I hope it's better than that.
matt serra
Round one submission.
john rallo
That made me proudly, right?
matt serra
I mean, come on.
joe rogan
I bet, you know, if you had Polymarket, you could make some money on that.
unidentified
Right.
joe rogan
There's going to be a lot of bets on that.
It's exciting, though, that Netflix is doing it.
That's what I like.
I like that there's another place people can go.
din thomas
But how sustainable is this, though?
That's my biggest question.
john rallo
Whoever's putting the money up for this is going to lose their ass, I think.
You think they're going to make that money back?
joe rogan
Right, but here's the thing it's Netflix, right?
So Netflix has an insane amount of money, and they keep raking it in.
Like every month, people are paying whatever they're paying.
It's as high as, like, what, 19 bucks for ad free?
What is it?
How much is a Netflix account now?
I think it just went up, right?
din thomas
Yeah, they think it's going up.
joe rogan
So, think, oh, that money is just coming in every month.
They just got to give people exciting things to want to watch, and they'll keep making more money because more people use Netflix.
Like, it would seem like they're going to lose their ass, but they're not because they have a completely different business model.
Obviously, I'm not a businessman.
$8.99 to $26.99 per month.
In fact, I'm a terrible businessman.
But I would imagine you'll just make money by giving people awesome shit so they keep tuning into Netflix.
So, in that sense, they're not going to lose any money.
Because there's a lot of MMA fans that probably subscribe to Netflix just so they can watch that fight.
unidentified
Right.
joe rogan
So, who's on the card now?
It's like Felipe Lins versus Nganu.
matt serra
Mike Perry versus Nate Diaz.
unidentified
Right?
Oh, and.
joe rogan
Robles de Spain.
din thomas
Yeah, the Spagna.
And Junior Dos Santos.
joe rogan
That one is like.
unidentified
Who's it?
din thomas
Robles de Spagna.
john rallo
That tall, tall karate combat dude.
joe rogan
He's a Taekwondo black belt from Cuba.
matt serra
Wait, versus Junior?
unidentified
Yeah.
matt serra
How old's Junior?
john rallo
He's 50 now.
matt serra
Is he 50?
din thomas
No, he's close.
But he's in good shape.
I actually did a.
We spoke at a high school a couple of months ago.
john rallo
Well, I'm glad to hear that.
I mean, at least these guys will get an outlet to make some extra money.
matt serra
Man, man, who doesn't know?
din thomas
Mogaev and Perry.
Adriano Moraes is a, you know, that's a.
Mogaev's probably going to school them.
But I mean, they're giving guys some opportunities.
So you got to like this.
joe rogan
Absolutely.
Yeah, absolutely.
It'll be a big show.
A lot of people will tune in.
Diaz and Perry is going to be fucking bananas.
That'll be really fun to watch.
john rallo
Yeah, that's, I mean, that'll be worth the price of it.
Imagine if that was 10 years ago, that fight.
unidentified
I'm looking at this.
matt serra
It's like if the GLL. LA went to fucking.
It came true.
din thomas
The GFL?
matt serra
Remember that Grandpa League?
unidentified
No, not everybody.
john rallo
They just stole all their talent.
joe rogan
Bro, Diaz versus Perry guaranteed dogfight.
Just a guaranteed dogfight.
That will not be the case.
matt serra
Who do you think wins yet?
I think the jujitsu is going to be too much.
din thomas
I kind of think that too.
I kind of think Nate might just drag him deeper, right?
unidentified
We're going to see.
joe rogan
You know, we're going to see.
john rallo
Oh, it's five rounds?
joe rogan
Five rounds?
That's crazy.
Five rounds is crazy.
I wonder why they agreed on that.
Interesting.
john rallo
I didn't realize it.
joe rogan
Is the Gina fight five rounds or is it three rounds?
It's three.
jamie vernon
When they first announced it, it was five by five for everything, but they've changed a bit.
joe rogan
So it says five by five for those?
jamie vernon
Yeah, just for those two, though.
This one does not.
unidentified
That one doesn't say anything?
jamie vernon
No.
And it also says these are the main events.
john rallo
I mean, I can't imagine Gina was in round four.
jamie vernon
It actually does.
There it does.
It says it real.
It's hard to see it.
joe rogan
Yeah, five by five.
unidentified
Right.
joe rogan
Professional.
unidentified
Yeah.
Okay.
joe rogan
Bro, Lorenz Larkin, back in the day.
I remember he fought Neil Magni, was hitting him with oblique kicks to the chest.
And I was like, I do not think I've ever seen anybody throw it that way.
You ever see that fight?
unidentified
No.
din thomas
I don't remember that fight.
joe rogan
He tuned Neil Magni up.
unidentified
Did he?
joe rogan
Lorenz Larkin was a bad motherfucker.
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din thomas
I do remember that.
He had a good little run.
joe rogan
His striking was elite.
unidentified
Yeah.
joe rogan
And when he fought Neil Magni, Neil Magni's a tough fucking dude, man.
Durable guy.
Durable, incredible discipline and endurance.
Like that dude's never out of shape.
And he was just getting tuned.
unidentified
Look at this.
Oof.
joe rogan
I mean, he's throwing an oblique kick to the ribs.
That one there, he just hit his arm and knocked him down with it.
But earlier before that, he caught him on the ribcage with a spot.
Look at that.
Bro, that's crazy.
matt serra
He gave him a spot again.
joe rogan
That's the second look at it.
But right here, you're seeing him.
He's blasting him with this kick that nobody throws like that.
That's a crazy position to put your hips in.
unidentified
Right?
john rallo
That is crazy.
joe rogan
Bro, he was sharp.
matt serra
How did this one end?
joe rogan
He stopped him.
matt serra
Oh, did he?
unidentified
Yeah.
matt serra
Oh, shit.
joe rogan
Yeah, Lorenz was all over him, man.
It was one of the prime performances that I've seen him fight.
din thomas
Yeah, he had a good little run.
joe rogan
He had a great run.
But during that run, and this is like, he came from Bellator, right?
unidentified
Yeah.
joe rogan
Yeah, and when he came over from Bellator, it was like he was still red hot.
unidentified
Yeah.
joe rogan
Red hot.
unidentified
Yeah.
matt serra
Two guys that were in Bellator, which is Pitbull and Aaron Pico.
joe rogan
They're getting ready to fight this weekend.
How much time do you think a guy like Pico is supposed to take off after Lerone?
matt serra
We were just talking about that.
Because I love his offense, man.
joe rogan
He's a little raging bull.
unidentified
Animal.
matt serra
And strong, powerful.
joe rogan
He just got caught.
And he got caught perfect.
And he was just perfect.
That's spinning out.
matt serra
I think he got stopped more.
Did he get stopped more than once with a bad knockout like that?
john rallo
Yeah.
unidentified
His first fight ever.
matt serra
You don't want to go through your career with a bad knockout.
joe rogan
The kid from Killcliffe.
din thomas
Adam Burke.
unidentified
Yeah.
din thomas
Adam Burke's.
joe rogan
Yeah, he got him with a flying knee.
din thomas
With a flying knee, yeah.
unidentified
Damn, dude.
matt serra
You don't want too many of those.
That's right.
din thomas
But those put him out, man.
You just see him just go boop.
unidentified
Yeah.
matt serra
That Macy Barba one the other day.
unidentified
Whoa.
matt serra
That was just.
joe rogan
One of the greatest finishes in women's MMA history.
din thomas
Oh, no doubt.
I wanted to reach out to Macy because I felt so bad.
matt serra
I wanted to reach out to the doctor and say, what the fuck do you think?
He's just over like poking him with a fucking bitch.
john rallo
So crazy.
matt serra
Yeah.
I'm like, get some smell.
I'm like, somebody, the cameraman, please get off this, or somebody talk to the doctor, because I don't know what the fuck.
He was just over, like, man, this is fucked up.
joe rogan
I don't think he knew exactly what was going on.
He probably has no experience in combat sports, right?
He didn't realize that she got knocked out, and while she was out cold, she got strangled.
john rallo
She transitioned so fast.
joe rogan
Like, she's out there, she's out cold already, and then she gets strangled.
Like, that's never happened before.
john rallo
What's crazy is she was.
joe rogan
Look at the way he keeps his head up.
john rallo
Kind of still reacting.
And then when they put her on her back, she just, it was.
joe rogan
Well, she went limp as she was trying to sit up.
She went limp.
You see right there.
Like she was trying to get up.
And then as the guy has his arm around her, she goes limp.
unidentified
Dude.
din thomas
See, there's like, there's C-level Kane and then there's Southpaw Alexa.
When she fights Southpaw, man, she is dangerous.
matt serra
Then there's a confused doctor.
unidentified
Look at him.
Right.
No, I've seen this before.
joe rogan
Crazy.
unidentified
Look at him.
Right.
joe rogan
He's like, you crazy.
It's just, well, she's kind of coming to there, I think.
She's blinking.
But that was just, holy shit.
And the speed that she took her back.
unidentified
She hit her.
din thomas
Left hand, boop, back, choked.
joe rogan
Amazing.
One shot while she was out still, cracked her again, got her back and choked her, all like a lightning bolt.
That was super amazing.
din thomas
But that's the same combination she hit Valentina with when she finished her.
matt serra
I feel like it took five minutes with us sitting there.
din thomas
Left hand, boom, took her back.
It took her longer, but look at this.
joe rogan
So she's in trouble.
Bam!
unidentified
Right there.
joe rogan
Out cold and then strangled.
I don't think that combination of out cold and then strangled has ever happened before.
unidentified
No.
joe rogan
Because, I mean, she's seen what this punch here is.
Out cold, right?
And then boom.
john rallo
Sick.
matt serra
No, that's crazy.
joe rogan
Crazy.
unidentified
Wow.
john rallo
She's tough, man.
matt serra
Oh, man.
jamie vernon
She'll fall backwards in front of you after the knockdown.
joe rogan
Well, so here's the thing.
She gets up.
And when she gets up, I think she faints.
Like, I think she tries to get up.
john rallo
Just swinging again.
joe rogan
And then he, Mike puts his arm around her, and she's out.
I think she fainted.
unidentified
That's just scary.
joe rogan
That's scary.
And she also had had some problems before with seizures.
unidentified
Yeah.
din thomas
She had to pull out of that fight with Aaron Blanchfield.
joe rogan
She had a seizure in the locker room.
john rallo
So they still allow her to fight even though she's had seizures?
That's pretty crazy.
joe rogan
It depends on what's causing the seizures, right?
If they know it's a medication that she was on, they get her off the medication.
I don't know what caused the seizures.
matt serra
Well, that's just not going to help the seizures.
joe rogan
It certainly wouldn't make me enthusiastic about fighting.
It would have to fuck with your motivation if you're already having seizures.
I wouldn't want to do it.
din thomas
Now, after that, I wouldn't want to do it.
matt serra
Anytime you fight, that's a possibility.
I mean, look at a guy who never once took anything remotely like that, like Kamara Usman.
And even in a fight where he's just doing so great, and then that's the closest thing I've seen to that, which is when he got stopped with that head kick.
And that's a possibility anytime you make that walk.
That's why you got that fucking little feeling in your throat before you walk out there.
joe rogan
The Kamara one was nuts too because John Annick was just saying because DC was like a lot of people would quit in this situation.
And John Annick said something along the lines of, but that is not the cloth from which you're cut.
din thomas
I know.
And then, I mean, that was like the most perfect timing ever.
unidentified
Ever.
joe rogan
Like a movie.
Like, if you saw that in a movie, like, shut up.
din thomas
Because I just came in and was like, yeah, I think he's broke.
And then DC was saying it.
And then John intervened with, he's not cut from that cloth.
unidentified
And boom.
joe rogan
Head kick.
It was nuts.
matt serra
What is that new?
joe rogan
Nuts.
matt serra
Russell Crowe's doing a new MMA movie.
unidentified
Beast.
matt serra
Yeah.
Is that supposed to be the UFC?
joe rogan
No, it's supposed to be the UFC.
din thomas
Yeah, it's supposed to be the UFC.
I think they did it with one.
unidentified
Yeah.
din thomas
Yeah, I wonder if that's going to be.
Yeah, but I mean, the fighter is my age.
unidentified
I'm like, yo, what's going on here?
Coming back.
joe rogan
Like Randy Couture won the title in his 40s.
unidentified
You know?
Yeah, man.
joe rogan
One has some wild striking fights, man.
Some of the absolute best stand up fights in the world are happening on one.
I watch it all the time.
unidentified
I never know when that shit.
Yeah, what is that on?
din thomas
Where do you watch this?
joe rogan
There's this fucking cat out of Dagestan.
Do you guys know I'm talking about?
Asadullah Iman Ghazaliyev?
unidentified
Bro.
joe rogan
This dude is, I think he's 135 pounds.
I think that's what he fights at.
And he's like 6'1.
And just a laser beam striker.
It just fucks people up.
Like, literally, he might be the best striker in the world.
din thomas
Is it just kickboxing?
joe rogan
Yeah, and he's getting in there with Muay Thai.
He's getting in there with world Muay Thai champions and KOing them.
Like three time world Lumpini Muay Thai champions.
unidentified
Damn.
joe rogan
Lumpini Stadium guys.
This guy is a fucking straight killer, dude.
And he's from Dagestan and he can wrestle.
unidentified
Damn.
joe rogan
You got it.
Let's see if you can find like a highlight reel of his KOs.
Cause this is just like, get on YouTube.
matt serra
That fighting shot was nasty.
joe rogan
I watch this cat every time he fights.
I just can't.
He's so fucking accurate and he's so slick.
matt serra
How old is he?
joe rogan
He's 22.
Oh, damn.
Yeah, man.
I'm telling you.
22 year old cat from Dagestan might be the best striker on earth right now.
This dude is so impressive.
And I'm telling you, he's doing this to do to our world champions.
Oh, he's taking out world champion kickboxers, world champion Muay Thai fighters.
They're putting him in there with these fucking assassins, and he's making them all go night night.
matt serra
Oh, damn.
unidentified
Oh.
joe rogan
Bro, you got to see it in real speed.
Like, you see his real movements.
It's so impressive.
matt serra
Is he with Habib and Emma though?
joe rogan
I don't know where he's training out of, but he's from Dagestan.
Bro.
john rallo
He looks like Zabete.
joe rogan
Yes.
Like a little bit more robust Zabete.
But it's like it's different.
Like Zabid had more of a you know, he had an incredible style, but it was almost like more taekwondo ish.
This guy's pure Muay Thai, but he just fucks people up, man.
unidentified
Accurate, too.
joe rogan
Oh, he's spinning heel kicks, everything.
Knees, the body.
But it's the combinations, the way he's throwing them.
He just finds these openings on people with this precision that you're like, motherfucker, man.
john rallo
It keeps the pressure on.
He keeps the pressure on, too.
joe rogan
He's just flatlining folks one after another, flatlining people.
unidentified
Oh, man.
joe rogan
Bro, he's very fucking impressive.
And again, very impressive against world championship caliber Muay Thai fighters.
These are not scrubs that he's fighting.
unidentified
Damn.
joe rogan
And one's putting these fights on all the time.
And I was trying to tell Dana this.
I was like, if you guys had like UFC striking, do you know how fucking exciting that would be?
If just Muay Thai with MMA gloves on.
matt serra
Well, they should do that.
joe rogan
They do 100%.
They're missing out on a giant opportunity because how many people boo when a fight goes to the ground?
unidentified
Boo.
joe rogan
These guys never go to the ground.
unidentified
Right.
din thomas
It's just all so much more brutal than boxing.
joe rogan
Way more brutal.
unidentified
Yeah.
joe rogan
It just didn't get a fair shake in America.
unidentified
Yeah, I know.
joe rogan
It's not that it's not exciting, it's the most exciting aspect of the UFC.
Other than a great submission like Alexa Grasso after a knockout, that's like the most exciting.
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matt serra
I could.
People bitch about Kamzat.
I could watch him do that to Drakis all day long.
I don't give a shit.
That's masterful.
unidentified
Masterful.
matt serra
Get him off you.
unidentified
I know.
Get up.
matt serra
People are like, oh, that's a shame, and he doesn't take chances.
Dude, get.
He's not like he's not trying to beat the shit out of him.
He's getting him tied up, and he's beating him up, and he's just.
He's working him over.
I mean, what do you want him to stand up in the crucifix?
What are you talking about here?
din thomas
Yeah, I mean, that's Drekus' problem.
Drekus needs to get him.
joe rogan
Yeah, 100%.
And I don't believe in stand ups at all, period.
I think the only time you should stand up is someone fouls.
If someone does a foul and then you have to stand up, take a point away from them, maybe then you stand them up.
unidentified
Yeah.
din thomas
You shouldn't reward a guy for having shit defense.
john rallo
If the dude on the bottom is the one that fouled, put them back where they were.
joe rogan
Don't reward them.
Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah.
Right, right, right.
Yeah, definitely.
But other than that, why are you letting people stand up?
Why?
Guy had to work so hard to get him to the ground.
Maybe he's taking a break for a couple seconds to catch his breath.
unidentified
Yeah.
joe rogan
You know, like, what the fuck do you want?
Yeah.
Figure out how to get up.
unidentified
Yeah.
din thomas
Bottom people just have to be better.
joe rogan
Also, you know how to fix that?
Here's how you fix that knees to the head to a down to pop.
unidentified
Absolutely.
joe rogan
Absolutely.
And then it's like, it's all out of the.
Wrestlers, then wrestlers become super fucking dangerous.
matt serra
Yeah, man, Mark Coleman won the Grand Prix with that shit.
Didn't you see the smashing machine?
joe rogan
Yeah, bro.
matt serra
Did you like the smashing machine?
joe rogan
I did.
unidentified
It was good.
joe rogan
I did.
matt serra
I enjoyed it.
joe rogan
I thought the rock was amazing.
I thought his acting, you didn't think it was the rock.
din thomas
I haven't seen it yet.
joe rogan
You thought it was Mark Kerr.
He even got a forehead thing.
unidentified
Yeah.
joe rogan
He got rubber put on his forehead or whatever the fuck it is.
din thomas
Give him a little.
joe rogan
Yeah, make him more Neanderthal.
john rallo
A little Cro-Magnon.
din thomas
Give him a little Frankenstein for his.
unidentified
It was almost.
matt serra
Scene by scene, it was almost like the same, pretty much the same exact thing as the documentary.
joe rogan
It was really good.
matt serra
The documentary, it's like the same shots, the same story.
So if you've seen the documentary, which was great.
john rallo
Yeah, seen it.
joe rogan
Kurt was a great guest.
I had him in the podcast.
He was fun.
He was a really cool guest.
din thomas
No kidding.
joe rogan
Yeah, he was really fun.
And just real intelligent, like easy to talk to.
din thomas
Like, where does he live now?
john rallo
I see him like.
Is it Arizona?
joe rogan
Bro, I saw him in early UFCs when I was a backstage interviewer.
He submitted Dan Bobish with his chin to his eyes.
unidentified
I remember that.
john rallo
I remember that too.
unidentified
It was crazy.
john rallo
I remember when he came on the scene, well, the UFC scene with the old Ranger Stott needed a face.
I remember Rip Rules while we were about to find out Morty Heinstein or something like that.
matt serra
The karate.
unidentified
Morty Heinstein.
I don't know, man.
din thomas
My favorite Mark Kerr fight was against Fabio Giorgio down in Brazil.
unidentified
That was crazy.
john rallo
That's where he got his name.
din thomas
Yeah, man.
unidentified
That's.
din thomas
That's my shit.
john rallo
Look, I was a big Fabio fan, and like, I mean, if you can't have respect for that guy after that beating he took, and he never fucking thought about quitting.
unidentified
Crazy.
matt serra
Yeah, headbutts and everything.
joe rogan
Who said yes to that?
matt serra
Yeah, right?
joe rogan
Let me pull you guys aside.
They'll explain physics.
And now I need to introduce you to steroids.
That was the combined physics and steroids.
And like, no, you're not fighting Mark Kirk.
matt serra
If you look at the time, that's when Jiu Jitsu still had that mystique about it, though.
john rallo
It's true.
matt serra
You know, true.
Back When they weren't looking at it.
din thomas
But that kind of killed.
But that's when the beginning of the end of the guard started for MMA.
It was like that.
Because those big wrestlers were just like, oh, you mean all I got to do is block his hips and I can headshot you?
john rallo
Yeah, right.
unidentified
After that fight, yeah.
joe rogan
Do you remember when Mario Sperry fought Igor Zinoviev?
unidentified
Oh, yeah.
joe rogan
So Mario Sperry is one of the first jiu-jitsu black belts to lose in MMA.
unidentified
That's right.
Yes.
joe rogan
Because we all thought jiu-jitsu black belts were invincible.
And Mario Sperry was elite.
He was a really good black belt.
unidentified
Yeah.
joe rogan
And so he fought Zinoviev, and Zinoviev stopped him.
din thomas
I remember that, yeah.
matt serra
And Mario was doing everything right, mounting him correctly.
But then he would just do one of those weird, like, super big bridges.
And then his, because he had endurance and he was able to just withstand his attack, he ended up cutting him or something towards the end.
joe rogan
Yeah, it was a big cut.
They stopped it from a cut, right?
din thomas
Speaking of old school guys, guess who was at the UFC last week?
Murillo Bustamante.
Oh, yes.
joe rogan
He was quarterbacked.
unidentified
Yeah, Jose Delano.
joe rogan
He made him tap twice.
unidentified
Yes.
joe rogan
The world title defense.
unidentified
At the end.
He made him tap twice.
Yeah.
matt serra
He also fought 45-bit.
He fought.
Tom Erickson.
din thomas
Tom Erickson.
unidentified
Remember that?
joe rogan
Oh, yeah.
john rallo
I thought Chirillo beat Chuck Liddell, too.
Honestly, in that fight.
din thomas
He might have, yeah.
joe rogan
He was a bad motherfucker.
He was really good at boxing and insane at jiu-jitsu, but really good at boxing.
One of the first guys from that Carlson Gracie team, along with good wrestling.
john rallo
Good wrestler, too.
He had good takedowns for a jiu-jitsu guy, too.
din thomas
But that's my point.
He's at the UFC just cornering Jose Delano, and no one knows who he is.
And I'm like, yo, I need to give a lesson on this guy.
He's one of my favorite fighters of all time, but no one knows who he is.
joe rogan
That's crazy.
He's a legend.
But you know, there's so many people now, it's like time just goes on.
john rallo
What a bunch of killers Carlson had.
Back in the day, man.
joe rogan
Dude, I remember his school in '96 when all that was going down.
When right before Vitor got into jiu-jitsu.
john rallo
Sperry, Laborio, Carlo Barreto.
joe rogan
Yeah, Carlo was trained there.
Yeah, yeah.
Sergio Cohen.
He had a bunch of beasts, man.
And we'd watch them all train together.
Mario Sperry was telling us a story about how when he was just starting out in jiu-jitsu, he made his girlfriend sit there and he just put her in triangle after triangle after triangle.
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joe rogan
She kept complaining.
unidentified
It was just.
joe rogan
That's terrible.
Watching TV, just practicing triangles on his girlface.
john rallo
We were lucky to, we were talking last night about how fortunate we were to come up when we did, you know, and like even back at, at Henso's, man, you had Henso, you had Hyan coming through, you had Half coming through, you had Matt, you had Ricardo, you had Sean Alvarez, like we just had a ton of killers, you know, and back then it was, I always joke about the tap out shit, but if you saw somebody in an airport in the 90s with a tap out shirt on, you were like, Where you train.
Then it went to like JC fucking pennies, which is cool because it was.
Yeah, it's at Forever 21.
But it was pretty wild.
joe rogan
I had some tap out charts.
Everybody did.
unidentified
Right.
joe rogan
Those guys were fun.
john rallo
Yeah, definitely.
joe rogan
It was a weird time.
That time of MMA, if you go back to like, even when you and I first met, it was like, what year was that?
matt serra
2001, we met.
unidentified
Crazy.
joe rogan
That's crazy.
matt serra
Because you weren't a commentator yet, but I thought Kelly DeLante.
And you gave me a nice shout out.
john rallo
I remember.
matt serra
We need more of that jungle jujitsu like Matt Sarah did.
john rallo
When you toured at Bios.
matt serra
And I'm like, oh!
They showed that up.
Yeah, that's funny.
Yeah, that was 2001.
Because I mailed you a shirt.
Thank you.
And then you called the academy.
And I'm like, oh, what's up?
That was funny, man.
unidentified
Nice.
matt serra
It's crazy.
din thomas
But jujitsu was so physical then.
Like, it was a physical thing.
Now it's so intellectual.
And, like, these nerds think they own it.
joe rogan
Autistic kids got all jujitsu.
And now they think they own it.
din thomas
And now they think they own it.
And it's like, yo, what are you talking about?
joe rogan
They start talking about tech.
It's like they're talking chess moves.
unidentified
Yeah.
matt serra
If you don't know the name, then he's like, You don't know that?
It's like, dude, I know that.
When you're going for the.
They call it the K guard.
I'm like, Shit, man, I've been doing that since the 90s, man.
At first, I'm like, Well, what's the.
They're like, You don't know the K guard?
Then they show it.
I go, Well, yeah, I just never called it the fucking K guard.
But it's funny, you bring up Murillo Bustamante.
We talked about Fabio Gagel.
Back then, and I know Jiu Jitsu evolved, but if you take those guys, you put them in the Abu Dhabi submission tournament, you put them in.
The BJJ, IBJJF, and you put them in an MMA fight, their jujitsu is the same.
It carries over to all.
din thomas
And they may not win, but they're competitive.
matt serra
And they can't have it across the board where someone who's used to scissoring, just used to the legs, you know what I mean?
That can transfer over.
joe rogan
Here's what fucks my head up.
If you gunned to my head, said to me, Who do you think has the best jujitsu in MMA right now?
My head would go, Charles Oliver.
john rallo
I was getting ready to go.
Charles Oliver would be my gun.
joe rogan
But Islam Makachev finished him on the ground.
So how can I say that?
unidentified
Right?
joe rogan
So it fucks my head up because I'm like, if you think about elite expressions of jujitsu on the ground, like one of the most dangerous guys off his back, Oliver.
Oliver is so dangerous everywhere.
If he gets on top of you, you're fucked.
I mean, it was just that Max Holloway's defense is so tight.
And he's so tough that he didn't get finished.
unidentified
Right.
Why?
joe rogan
Dudes would have been at him that far.
john rallo
How crazy it was that he was able to just manhandle him and take him down.
I mean, Max, nobody took Max down like that.
joe rogan
He manhandled him.
It was bananas.
But I think Max is a guy that is like, he can fight at 45.
I think it was really hard when he went up to 55 and then went down to 45.
But at 45, in his prime, it was a perfect weight class for him.
When Oliveira was fighting at 45, he was killing himself.
He just was fatigued easier.
But then when he went up to 55, then he became Charles Oliveira.
You know, it was really all at 55 where he made his mark.
matt serra
He tried that shit, though, with Ilya.
He did try to take him down, and he tried that.
joe rogan
Yeah, Ilya is a different animal.
Yeah, he's on another level.
unidentified
For sure.
joe rogan
He's on another level.
john rallo
Super well rounded, and people haven't really even seen that yet.
joe rogan
He's on a level where I can't wait for his next fights.
Like, when he's fighting, I'm like, what is he going to do now?
unidentified
Yeah.
joe rogan
Like, what is.
Because I think he's getting better.
I think it's not just.
I think the dude is like, Their approach to it, there's a documentary on YouTube about what they're talking about how they break down all their fight camps and what they're doing and the different stuff that they train in.
These dudes are on another level.
din thomas
I mean, when you think about it, if a fight between Ilya and Islam were to happen, think about the magnitude of that not only just star power, but just in terms of skill.
Oh, my God.
Breaking that down in terms of skill.
joe rogan
Oh, my God.
din thomas
Two of the best skilled fighters of all time.
joe rogan
Of all time.
unidentified
Yeah.
joe rogan
That would be an insane fight.
And I just really would like it.
If it happened to be at 55, like Iliad 170 is a good thing.
Yeah, yeah, for sure.
din thomas
55 would be better.
joe rogan
Because Islam at 170 is probably walking around a buck 96.
unidentified
Yeah, for sure.
joe rogan
Fucking jacked.
matt serra
I think Armin should be spoken about too.
unidentified
100%.
Yeah.
matt serra
Look at how he fought.
unidentified
100%.
matt serra
He had a pretty good fight with Islam back when he, how many years ago?
He was like 21.
unidentified
Yeah.
matt serra
He was, I mean, scrambled.
joe rogan
Although I do have to say, if the scoring was correct, I think, I think Oliveira would have beat him in that fight because Oliveira threatened him with submissions.
din thomas
That is true.
unidentified
A couple times.
That's true.
joe rogan
A couple times.
Like, that to me is more valuable than holding a guy down.
matt serra
Did Armin threaten he had an arm choke with him?
din thomas
No.
He was kind of on the run, but he was kind of on the run more often than we remember.
joe rogan
Armin was?
unidentified
Yeah.
din thomas
In terms of, like, inside the guard of Oliveira.
unidentified
Yeah.
din thomas
Like, he was kind of, you know, he was on the run.
joe rogan
It's dangerous in there, man.
It's not like everybody else is.
Like, there's only a few guys like him and, you know, Paul Craig.
Bro, Paul Craig could latch on a fucking triangle.
Like, that guy's beating world champions.
You think about it.
He beat Jamal, broke his arm.
He beat Jamal, he beat Uncle Laius.
unidentified
Uncle Laius.
joe rogan
Stopped him with like one second to go in the third round with a triangle.
unidentified
Yeah.
joe rogan
He might have one of the best triangles.
What was that one dude from back in the day that won all his fights by triangle?
unidentified
Dustin, uh.
joe rogan
No, English guy.
din thomas
Yeah, um.
I know exactly who you're talking about.
joe rogan
Oh, my God, it's going to drive me nuts.
din thomas
The little skinny English guy.
Yeah, yeah, yeah.
joe rogan
He, like, was all triangles.
din thomas
He was like 11 triangles in a row.
Yeah, yeah.
joe rogan
He had this one move, and if he can get you to the ground and latch his legs around you, you're a Fuxville.
unidentified
Oh, my God.
joe rogan
Paul Sass.
unidentified
Yeah, Paul Sass.
Paul Sass.
I was going to Paul Sass.
joe rogan
Shout out to Paul Sass.
Yeah, he was a beast.
You get you in that triangle, you're fucked.
And Fabericio Redooms, another one, right?
din thomas
Yeah, yeah, yeah.
john rallo
I mean, he triangled Fedor.
I remember.
Fedor was Fedor.
joe rogan
I always tell people, if you want to look at the one I have.
All time greats in heavyweight.
Don't look at all losses and shit.
Stop right here in the prime.
Who has tapped out more legends than Fabricio Verdum?
Minotauro?
Fedor?
I mean, that is crazy.
Just those two?
Cain Velasquez?
din thomas
That's true.
joe rogan
He's tapped out all the legends.
unidentified
That's true.
joe rogan
And they weren't past their prime either.
Fedor was securely in his prime.
unidentified
100%.
din thomas
I remember watching that live thinking, oh my God.
joe rogan
Oh my God.
din thomas
He ran right into it.
He ran right into that.
john rallo
He did jump into it.
joe rogan
Brilliant.
His jujitsu was like scary off his back.
john rallo
Yeah, Fedor had no respect for the guard.
Just, you know, was trying to take his head off and just fed it to him.
joe rogan
Yeah, man.
john rallo
You can't do that with a guy like that.
joe rogan
Not a guy like that.
That's a different level.
matt serra
And plus, he hit Kobe in the head with a boomerang.
unidentified
Remember that?
matt serra
There's nothing wrong with that.
Give me some points for that as well.
din thomas
That was my favorite video of all time.
Because he hit him with the boomerang and then the bag, and Kobe was reaching out for the bag.
unidentified
Yeah.
matt serra
You got to give him some points for that, too.
joe rogan
Out of all the people that I thought I was definitely going to see on the White House lawn.
It was going to be a Colby Covington fight.
I was like, how did you not have a Colby Covington fight at the White House?
unidentified
Man, I don't know.
joe rogan
He's like super supportive of Trump, wears Trump hats everywhere.
unidentified
Right?
din thomas
And he's not a fight for Trump.
They didn't get him fixed up?
joe rogan
They didn't hook him up?
unidentified
I don't know.
matt serra
How did that not happen?
I think Bo Nickel wanted to fight him.
joe rogan
Yeah, but that's a different weight class.
Bo Nickel's a big dude.
He's an 85er.
unidentified
Yeah.
joe rogan
That's a, you know, Colby's not a big 70.
matt serra
Is he something I can do?
joe rogan
He's a great size for somebody?
unidentified
Yeah.
No.
matt serra
No.
Just why I'm into that grabbing match with him.
joe rogan
Yeah, that's going to be interesting.
john rallo
Yeah, I think Chris is a little big for him.
matt serra
Yeah, I think that should go well for Wild.
joe rogan
Who is Joaquin fighting next?
Brady.
matt serra
Sean Brady.
john rallo
Sean Brady.
joe rogan
Is that in Miami?
din thomas
No, that's in Jersey.
unidentified
Isn't it?
Yeah, that's right.
din thomas
I'll be out in Philly next week with Brady.
unidentified
Shout out.
joe rogan
Joaquin was on a tear until Camaro got a hold of him.
john rallo
Shout out to Brady.
That's one of his shirts.
joe rogan
Out of the two guys that are most worthy for a shot at the welterweight title, I mean, you've got to think Ian Gary, but you also got to think Camaro because he doesn't have much time left and he's a legend.
Right?
One of the greatest welterweights of all time.
And then he just beats Joaquin Buckley like that?
I mean, like, Joaquin Buckley is a fucking monster.
john rallo
Buckley was on the fast rise to a point.
joe rogan
Now he's Wonderboy.
Now Wonderboy's the best.
din thomas
He beat the shit out of Colby.
unidentified
Yeah.
Bro.
din thomas
The shit out of Colby.
joe rogan
Bro, beat the shit out of him.
But Joaquin doesn't get tired either, which is crazy.
Like, you look at his physique.
Yeah, you think that's how he gets tired.
He keeps that gas going for three fucking rounds.
Full clip.
din thomas
Yeah, believe it or not.
I've been watching him.
unidentified
Right?
din thomas
I've been watching him for months now.
matt serra
Nah, Sean Brady, I think.
joe rogan
Old turtle shell.
unidentified
Yeah.
joe rogan
That back of his is so preposterous.
matt serra
He's staying at that weight, right?
din thomas
Yeah, he's not going down.
john rallo
What about Oldberg and Jiri this weekend?
joe rogan
You know what, man?
If you're looking at it on paper, if you just watch their movements, Oldberg is really fast.
He's really accurate.
And he's slick.
And he's a big, tall motherfucker with great skills.
Yuri creates chaos.
And in that chaos, you don't know exactly how someone's going to respond when the guy's still there, when you crack him.
And he's all over you and he's doing wild shit.
He's got a fucking ponytail at the top of his head.
He's a maniac.
But he's not faking it.
john rallo
Oh, no.
He believes everything he says.
joe rogan
That's how that dude really lives.
He really does hit trees in the woods.
He goes out there with a makiwara.
He does all the hard style Japanese shit.
He spends time in the woods by himself alone.
matt serra
He swims under the ice.
john rallo
I saw that.
I actually saw a video of that.
matt serra
Fuck that, dude.
Yeah.
I mean, you have to find where the hole is and you just got to come back.
john rallo
We had some people in there too, just in case he didn't that crazy.
unidentified
Hey, dude.
joe rogan
Listen, man, just look at that dude.
His ancestors came over on a boat with a skull on it and they had fucking swords.
And they hopped off and started slicing him up.
john rallo
Hold on, hold on, guys.
joe rogan
That dude is a motherfucking Viking.
Whatever he is, those warrior jeans, like that's in that.
That dude takes you to hell.
He just can't do it without it.
john rallo
He guts his way.
unidentified
That's it.
joe rogan
That style just doesn't work with Pereira.
john rallo
So that's what I'm wondering.
Does he walk into one here?
Because he's going to get hit.
Khalil beat the living shit out of him for two rounds and then ran out of gas.
joe rogan
Oberg's a big guy, too.
Khalil's not a big, you know, if you look at him in comparison to some of the other guys in that weight class, he could make 85.
Here's one that people are sleeping on Mirza Kanoff.
din thomas
Yeah.
unidentified
Who?
john rallo
I'm leaning Palo's way out of the field.
din thomas
You almost sold me on that yesterday.
But Mirza Kanoff, man.
Undefeated.
joe rogan
Let me tell you something.
john rallo
I'm 37 and fought nobody.
I'm riding.
matt serra
Who's he fighting?
unidentified
That's true.
joe rogan
He put Rockets to sleep, though.
unidentified
Yeah.
joe rogan
He put Rockets to sleep in the first round.
unidentified
Yeah.
joe rogan
Dude, he's slick.
He does shit in there.
I'm like, he calls himself the professional.
And that's like, he seems like a hitman, like some Russian hitman that comes to fucking kill people.
john rallo
He believes in his power, that's a fact.
joe rogan
It's not just his power, man, it's his skills.
When I look at him, I'm like, this is a smart guy.
Like, he moves like a smart guy.
Everything's calculated, everything's technical.
He's really hard to hit clean.
He's a slick character.
And he does shit too, like, he overreaches, but he overreaches, I think, on purpose to get reads off you.
If he senses the guy's moving away, he'll come in with big shots that he doesn't, to try to get you to react and then counter.
Like that right hook that he hit him with was almost like a jab that he dropped Rocket with.
Just saw this movement that Rocket kept doing over and over again.
unidentified
BANG!
joe rogan
Came in with like a straight right jab, almost like a hook jab.
john rallo
Powell, who's got a chin.
joe rogan
Look at that.
Watch that again.
Look how slick this is.
Boom!
He's a killer, man.
matt serra
We don't know what Paulo Costa's going to look like at 205, though.
He's never fought it that way.
joe rogan
Well, didn't he once when he didn't make weight for 85 against Marvin Vittorio?
din thomas
Yeah, yeah.
He forced Marvin Vittorio.
He was like, No, this fight is at 205 now.
Remember that yet?
joe rogan
Izzy fucked his mind up, I think.
john rallo
He definitely did.
But he looked the best he's looked his last fight.
He copied all of them.
He just ran through them.
joe rogan
Dude, you go back to when he was walking people down, like walk down Yoel Romero.
Paul Costa was a berserker.
din thomas
I remember when he saluted Yoel Romero in the middle of the fight.
That was my favorite part.
joe rogan
That was a great fight.
But nobody walks down Yoel Romero like that.
din thomas
Yeah, I'm kidding.
joe rogan
There's that photo, that one photo of him head kicking Yoel, and Yoel's face is all distorted.
And you're like, how did he take that shot?
din thomas
This is his neck.
joe rogan
You know, his neck is fused.
unidentified
Yeah.
din thomas
That's what I'm saying.
unidentified
Yeah.
din thomas
It's all one thing, so it doesn't move.
joe rogan
It's connected to his skull.
din thomas
That's crazy.
unidentified
Yeah.
john rallo
Isn't that nuts?
joe rogan
Look at that.
Look at that photo.
That photo's bonkers.
Imagine how tough you got to be to be Joel Romero and take that to the head when you know your neck has been through an insane operation where you have metal.
Connecting the fucking spine of your neck to your head.
john rallo
Sorry, they implanted monster traps to hold his neck.
unidentified
Yeah, they were like, fuck out.
joe rogan
He's such a freak.
unidentified
Yeah, he is.
joe rogan
He's an athletic freak.
And you see, he just fought bare knuckles.
unidentified
Specimen.
Yeah.
At 49?
Yeah.
joe rogan
And a lot of people disputed the decision.
They thought he should have won.
unidentified
Yeah.
joe rogan
In Russia.
unidentified
Yeah, I don't know.
joe rogan
Yo, Romero, in Russia, don't be able to fight.
din thomas
I don't know how he does it.
joe rogan
He looks great.
din thomas
Yeah, I don't know how he does it.
joe rogan
If you told me he was 32, I believe you.
john rallo
He did RAF as well.
din thomas
Yeah, yeah, yeah.
joe rogan
Yeah, who did he beat?
Pat Downey.
unidentified
Pat Downey.
din thomas
And then he came back and he had, but he lost the next one.
john rallo
Yeah, but he wrestled a legit dude.
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joe rogan
Dude, the guy that I'm most impressed with in that is Armin.
Oh, I can't believe how good he is as a wrestler.
unidentified
Yeah.
joe rogan
Who's the dude he tech-filed?
john rallo
Georgie.
joe rogan
No, no, no.
Lance.
din thomas
Oh, Lance Palmer.
unidentified
That's the guy.
john rallo
Oh, Lance Palmer.
joe rogan
Yeah, Lance Palmer is a legit wrestler.
unidentified
For sure.
din thomas
Lance was like, oh, he's never wrestled at my level.
He's never wrestled guys at my level.
Armin goes up there and tech-filed.
joe rogan
Falls on, bro.
Armin did better.
din thomas
Yeah.
joe rogan
But even Giorgio, like, you watch those videos that he does?
unidentified
Yeah.
john rallo
It's like $100 to $50,000 or whatever.
joe rogan
Whatever it is.
Yeah.
Armin is a fucking bad man, dude.
He's a bad man.
unidentified
I know it.
Yeah.
joe rogan
If you wanted to fight for Ilya at 55, that's a very interesting fight.
matt serra
100%.
joe rogan
Very interesting fight for her.
matt serra
I'm sure.
joe rogan
Because he's hard to hit.
He's very slick and technical, super flexible.
Like, you ever seen those weird mobility exercises he does with twists and shit?
din thomas
I know, yeah.
joe rogan
Crazy flexibility.
din thomas
He's definitely in his prime, man.
He can't waste his life away right now.
joe rogan
Stop headbutting people.
din thomas
Yeah, just do the right thing because you are in your prime right now and it doesn't last forever.
john rallo
He might already be champ if he could keep it together outside of the campus.
You know what I mean?
joe rogan
Like, who knows what would have happened in the Oliveira fight?
It was a proper fight, a five rounder, you know?
matt serra
He's staying busy, though.
It's not like he's on the couch.
john rallo
He's staying real busy.
matt serra
You know what I mean?
joe rogan
He's doing those videos with Faye now.
unidentified
That's right.
din thomas
He put Mokayev to sleep a couple weeks ago, yeah.
matt serra
Oh, that was a little too much.
joe rogan
That was a lot, yeah.
He kept it on.
He kept it on.
matt serra
Yeah.
But, like, he kept it.
Whenever they keep it on when the guy's already sleeping for too long, it's like, yo, what are you, what's going on here?
You know, you got to know he's out.
unidentified
What the fuck's happening?
joe rogan
Maybe some unkind words were exchanged.
john rallo
That's kind of my thought process.
unidentified
That doesn't happen to me.
din thomas
I'm sure that happened.
joe rogan
And Mokayev is a hothead, right?
unidentified
Yeah.
din thomas
He's been known to say something.
joe rogan
Did he get kicked out of the UFC for it?
What happened with him?
din thomas
I heard he was just, like, mean to people, like, mean to the staff.
That's what I heard.
He was just, like, mean to the staff.
matt serra
Yo, I wasn't even talking.
I was talking about when he did it to a streamer.
I'm not talking about that fight.
joe rogan
Oh, we're talking about it.
No, no, no.
matt serra
I'm talking about him doing it to like just putting somebody to sleep, but his friends, the guys with his other friends.
john rallo
I don't think I saw that.
matt serra
It was him on a couch, and he put the guy to sleep.
This is a regular Joe.
joe rogan
Armin did this?
unidentified
Yeah, man.
matt serra
Jamie?
No, no, no.
unidentified
Sorry, Jamie.
I'm not putting it away, Jamie.
matt serra
But yo, yo, he put him to sleep, and he held that shit on for an extra too many seconds.
unidentified
Look at this.
Watch this.
matt serra
No, no, I'm telling you.
Do you tell me if you think it's too long?
joe rogan
That guy's neck makes me sad.
But now look.
To know that he's going to do that to him.
unidentified
Now look.
joe rogan
And I'm going to have to see this.
matt serra
Now ready?
Let's see.
Now he's out, right?
unidentified
He lasted a long time.
Yo, Nick, I don't know what he's doing.
What the fuck?
matt serra
He's out already.
joe rogan
Oh, that's really crazy.
unidentified
Been out.
joe rogan
That's really huge.
din thomas
I mean, you're a killer.
joe rogan
That's really crazy.
Yeah, that's so unnecessary.
matt serra
That's what I'm saying, man.
unidentified
What the fuck?
joe rogan
Yeah, that's a lot worse than I thought it was going to be.
matt serra
Yeah, sorry, guys.
I hate to bring the room down, but I'm just.
joe rogan
That's the crazy thing is Armin knows he was out right away.
matt serra
Yeah, that's what I'm talking about.
joe rogan
Also, that guy's neck looks like it's never been choked.
I felt sad for what he was going to do to it when I saw his neck.
His neck is making me feel sad because I know that's going to hurt.
That fucking gorilla, that dude's got a clamp on him, man.
matt serra
Little fuck is having soup for a week after that.
unidentified
Yeah, right?
matt serra
What's the problem?
joe rogan
Armin's fucking grip is so incredible, man.
I'm just very impressed with him, man.
Very impressed with his grappling.
I just wish he could keep it together.
din thomas
Yeah.
I mean, his striking's not bad neither.
Like, he's okay.
joe rogan
His first fight with Islam was very close.
unidentified
Yeah.
joe rogan
Very close.
First fight in the UFC.
I don't even think he got a full camp.
unidentified
Probably not.
joe rogan
I think it was a short notice fight.
And he fought very well.
You know, he's at the.
It's just like crazy that fuck ups have kept him from being at the time.
The missing the title fight was the big one.
unidentified
Yeah.
joe rogan
That was the craziest one.
Like his back hurt the day before.
john rallo
Like, come on.
joe rogan
It's crazy.
unidentified
Yeah.
joe rogan
And you make Hanato Moicano go out there and, you know, not having prepared for him.
unidentified
Right.
joe rogan
Moicano looked good against Duncan.
Money, money, money, money.
unidentified
Yeah.
joe rogan
I like what he gets on that mic, too.
He says, talking shit.
john rallo
He's awesome.
I wish he would have started talking shit even earlier.
Like, I always liked the guy, but he's.
Fucking a layout.
din thomas
He might be the best in the business right now.
john rallo
He's funny, man.
joe rogan
He's just not getting enough mic time.
din thomas
He needs more mic time.
joe rogan
When he gets on the mic time, money fucking boycott.
john rallo
Their podcast, he's good on there with him and I think Gilbert, they all fucking bullshit.
joe rogan
Well, that was the thing.
He's doing some streams in English and in Portuguese, but the Portuguese is doing better for him.
And he's like, I'm making money off YouTube now.
So I don't care anymore.
I have my money.
I have a big stream of revenue coming in from YouTube.
You fucking pay me, motherfucker.
unidentified
He's a character.
matt serra
You need that.
You need some personalities in that fight.
unidentified
Fuck yeah.
joe rogan
He's good too, remember?
Like his fight with Benoit Saint Denis.
unidentified
Oh, yeah.
Right?
din thomas
He murked him.
unidentified
Right?
din thomas
He murked him.
joe rogan
Saint Denis is on his way to potential future title shop.
din thomas
That win looks real good.
joe rogan
Real good.
You can't judge him on that short notice shit.
unidentified
I know.
john rallo
What do you guys think of Hookit's shit?
joe rogan
He's so fun.
unidentified
You think it's fun?
din thomas
I think it's fun.
I don't get it, man.
I don't get it.
I don't get it.
What are you talking about?
john rallo
Look at all four talking shit.
joe rogan
Heavy note.
john rallo
It's not witty.
joe rogan
It's not.
john rallo
Like, it ain't funny.
It ain't witty.
It looks like he's trying too hard.
joe rogan
Exactly.
I love it.
din thomas
No, I don't get it.
joe rogan
He's like a pro wrestler.
It's like pro wrestling.
unidentified
He's like smart dude.
joe rogan
Bro, you talk to that guy.
He's a smart dude.
He knows what he's doing.
He's being a goof.
And here's the thing about people that act really goofy and stupid.
You kind of, you go, fuck, I ain't shit.
Like, they can trick you.
They can trick you.
john rallo
You think he's going to beat Curtis?
joe rogan
I don't know, man.
Curtis is a lot.
john rallo
You know, it's a big fan.
He's just this early in his career.
joe rogan
Curtis has a lot of power.
He's a big fucking fan.
john rallo
He's going to be a better wrestler, probably.
joe rogan
He's got a lot of MMA experience.
But Hoket's a hard dude to solve.
He's a really good wrestler, and he's fucking hyper aggressive, and he's got hands on him, too.
unidentified
He's got good pace on.
john rallo
He's definitely athletic.
joe rogan
He's one of the guys that I have my eye on.
john rallo
You think he can make 205, or you think he should?
I mean, well, heavyweight's light, so maybe stay there.
joe rogan
But really, we're just waiting for Gable.
unidentified
Yeah.
Yeah, right?
Yeah, yeah.
joe rogan
We're rich.
john rallo
He's getting Roman Olive, I think, is wrestling him in the ROI.
joe rogan
I would not let him do that.
I'd be like, what if you blow your ACL out?
unidentified
Yeah.
joe rogan
What are you, crazy?
Why are you doing this?
You're going to be the heavyweight champion of the UFC.
matt serra
They got to be paying attention.
din thomas
And Romanoff's a big dude, man.
unidentified
Yeah.
Yeah, yeah.
joe rogan
I mean, look, I think Gibb, I think he'll be fine, but.
When you think of guys that are like a Mike Tyson in MMA, like when Mike Tyson was coming up, that's what I think of when I see him.
I'm like, how do you deal with that?
How the fuck do you deal with that?
He moves like a cat.
He's 240 pounds, Olympic gold medalist, and he can KO you.
john rallo
And he's got a smart ass guy in his corner.
joe rogan
And he's got John Jones as a mentor.
Are you fucking crazy?
john rallo
Fight IQ, John's one of the smartest guys.
joe rogan
Yeah, you got that guy in your corner, and everybody's saying, I mean, he's one of the only guys that isn't even in the UFC yet that I had him on my podcast.
I was like, I got to talk to him.
john rallo
I mean, he's accomplished, I think, enough anyway.
He's already a fucking Olympic gold medalist, NCAA champion.
joe rogan
He's young.
john rallo
Got to be mid 20s.
unidentified
He's young.
joe rogan
He's young.
And they're doing it smart.
You know, they gave him one of those, what are they called?
Dirty boxing?
Dirty boxing fights.
unidentified
The one where he jumped.
john rallo
Dude, did you see he jumped over the rope?
joe rogan
He jumped over the rope like it was nothing.
unidentified
He landed on it.
john rallo
It was pretty sick.
He jumped over it.
joe rogan
He just stood there and leapt over the ropes after he won.
unidentified
And jumped over it.
No.
Yeah, yeah.
joe rogan
Like the whole thing.
john rallo
Dude, after he won the NCAA championships, like he can do.
Like round offs and like the shit, like literally boom, boom, boom, like a gymnast.
It's fucking crazy.
joe rogan
And I guarantee you that attribute that's we contribute to the speed that he has and covering distance.
He's dangerous, man.
Watch this.
Watch when he goes over this rope.
This is crazy.
unidentified
Damn.
matt serra
It's BJ pinch up and out of the pool right there.
joe rogan
I mean, that is crazy.
But he just stuck the landing and started twerking effortlessly.
He's a monster, dude.
Real hard problem for people to say.
john rallo
Anybody that wrestled named Gable, you better fucking be good.
unidentified
Yeah.
joe rogan
And named after Dan Gabriel.
john rallo
After Dan Gabriel.
joe rogan
So he's been wrestling since he's a toddler.
And he's just such a fucking athlete and so smart, just dedicated.
They're doing it smart, too.
They're not just jumping him into the UFC right away.
He's getting famous outside the UFC.
That's the way you do it, for sure.
unidentified
For sure.
john rallo
You try to bring him along as much as you can.
joe rogan
Yeah, fuck your 10 and 10.
Come on, son.
din thomas
Well, when they sign him, they're going to give him more than that.
joe rogan
But the thing is, you don't.
Shit, he ain't getting that.
Some people are of the opinion that you don't want to give a young fighter too much money early.
Because it'll ruin their motivation.
din thomas
I mean, there's truth in that, but I mean, it's not.
Who's that for you to say, though?
unidentified
You know what I'm saying?
din thomas
Like, I want my money.
joe rogan
Exactly.
din thomas
Yeah.
You don't get to determine that.
I want my money, right?
unidentified
Guess what?
joe rogan
I think the cream will still rise to the top.
I think the guys that are dedicated, that have a lot, like Floyd Mayweather, when he was worth hundreds of millions of dollars, would still never drink and run home from the club.
unidentified
From the club.
joe rogan
Instead of people driving his Rolls Royce, he's running behind it.
unidentified
Yeah.
matt serra
I mean, look at Armin, man.
That guy's got money.
He doesn't give a shit.
He's got a private check.
Yeah, he's just.
din thomas
Armin's got a private jet.
joe rogan
At least he's always on a private jet.
It seems like he knows it.
matt serra
Jesus.
Yeah, I think he's got some cash.
joe rogan
His family has tons of money.
unidentified
Yeah.
matt serra
But he still has a desire to be the best.
unidentified
Yeah.
You know what I mean?
matt serra
It's either in you or it's not with that.
You know, I can imagine.
john rallo
Maybe that's why he can't get his attitude together, too.
joe rogan
Perhaps, right?
He doesn't need it.
Yeah.
din thomas
A bit spoiled in that way, right?
unidentified
Yeah.
john rallo
Who's disciplining him?
You know what I mean?
He runs his town, I'm sure.
joe rogan
What do you guys think about Hamza and Strickland?
matt serra
I, that's, well, let me tell you.
din thomas
This comes down to Strickland's motivation.
matt serra
Well, I mean, he got to be fucking motivated.
How many more shots is he going to get?
Yeah, but I mean, he's worked with him before.
I mean, I know they say that Kamzat submitted him, but if you hear Strickland talk about it, they were doing additional rounds.
Yeah, back drills.
When you're starting on the back.
john rallo
Started on his back.
matt serra
I mean, come on.
But I think when they moved around, I think he feels pretty confident with it.
He's a hard guy to keep down, Sean.
Yeah.
And cardio is going to be on point.
Who made Kamzat look human?
Gilbert Burns, Kamara Usman.
I mean, they made him look human, you know.
And Drake is, again, you don't want to see that rematch.
unidentified
Take the fifth round.
matt serra
But in that fifth round, he did get into some decent positions.
He just got reversed right away.
I mean, Sean, if there's any bit of blood in the water, he's fucking a finisher.
He's, you know what I mean?
He'll stay on him if he's hurt at all.
He's durable.
I mean, and everybody's saying how underrated his grappling is, the guys that are working with him.
So, I mean, it's.
joe rogan
That's all I've heard, too.
And he's so hard to hit, man.
He's got a weird style.
It's very weird.
It fucks you up.
And he's really good at moving back away from shots when all the hands are in your face.
unidentified
Yeah.
It's weird.
joe rogan
He also throws like looping shots on purpose sometimes.
Like you would think it's bad technique, but he's like finding a way around your guard.
unidentified
Yeah.
joe rogan
And he's catching you with weird stuff.
And his fucking jab is on point.
unidentified
Is that fluffy?
din thomas
Did you, were you at the, were you calling that one?
unidentified
No.
din thomas
I was there for that.
And you could hear it.
Like you don't always hear that.
You could hear the thud in his jab when fluffy was blocking him.
And it was hard.
john rallo
He was mixing his kicks in there well.
He's going to have to watch that.
joe rogan
And he wasn't getting hit, man.
The thing about him, if you watch him when he's on point, he's so fucking hard to hit.
He just fucked up with Alex.
You just can't make any mistakes.
john rallo
It seems like everybody fucks up with Alex.
joe rogan
He's the freak.
din thomas
He doesn't negotiate with you.
He's just like, you fuck up, it's over.
joe rogan
Do you think that translates to heavyweight with Gon?
din thomas
I don't think so.
I think Gon is a little bit too scary.
john rallo
I think Gon would decision him.
There's a good chance of fucking dancing and jabbing his way to victory.
din thomas
But that's what I'm saying.
john rallo
Gon is going to, if he messes up with him, I think Alex will fucking.
Put him out.
joe rogan
Here's one thing: Gon hasn't been 185 pounds since he was 12.
john rallo
Right?
unidentified
Yeah.
joe rogan
I mean, that's a big heavyweight, athletic, moves like a cat, and he's got world-class striking skills, man.
That Tom Aspinall fight, that first round, opened up a lot of eyes.
Like, he looked fucking good, man.
matt serra
He opened eyes all right.
Open up fucking Tom's eyes.
Hey, dude, I feel bad for Tom, man, because talk about a guy that got the shit end of the stick.
unidentified
Right?
Yeah.
matt serra
A knuckle deep in his fucking eyes.
joe rogan
Two surgeries.
matt serra
And everybody's like, ah, walk it off.
din thomas
Fucking poor guy.
unidentified
Really, really was.
joe rogan
I just think that was handled poorly right after the fact.
You know, I think you have to address right after the fact that you have to probably tell people, like, what kind of injuries can be sustained from this?
They're permanent.
Look at Michael Bisbank, still can't see out of his right eye.
You can't just have a guy go back into a fight when he can't see.
It's crazy.
It's crazy to ask.
The guy's eye's been injured.
If he gets hit again, it could rupture.
Who knows?
Who knows what kind of damage you have back there?
din thomas
So, who do you think was the irresponsible response to that?
unidentified
Cyril Gahn.
Yeah.
din thomas
I mean, but in terms of handling the situation afterwards, you think it was.
Tom's fault or the UFC for not being like getting his back on it?
joe rogan
If I was doing a press conference afterwards, what I would emphasize first and foremost is how dangerous eye pokes are.
But I think we've neglected some simple solutions, and I think there's got to be a solution that we use to stop these fucking fingers from going into people's eyes.
din thomas
Point deduction right away.
joe rogan
Point deduction is the easiest.
You touch someone's eyeball with your fingers, unless it's a complete scramble.
You're doing this, his head happens to be there.
But if you're doing this when a guy's coming in and your fingers go in his eyes, one point.
Every fucking time.
Every fucking time.
For sure.
No judge's discretion.
unidentified
Yeah.
joe rogan
No, you know, no referee's discretion.
Poke in the eye.
unidentified
Ow!
joe rogan
One point.
john rallo
Did you ever ask Dana about the pride gloves?
What happened to them?
joe rogan
I did.
You know, I don't.
Because they should own that tech, right?
That's good.
The best stuff is Trevor Whitman.
unidentified
Right.
joe rogan
Just paying the man a little bit of money.
I was trying to broker something, and I might still be able to do that to try to figure out a way to just like.
Those gloves are perfect.
The knuckles.
Curve over your hands, are in this position.
Yes, it does not impede your grappling.
It's easy to do that if you want to, but the natural position is like this.
So, if you're doing this, it's because you wanted to do that.
It's not like the gloves are forcing your hand open, like a lot of people complain about now.
matt serra
They can just mad scientist on this.
joe rogan
Here's the mad scientist cover the tips of the fingers, you don't use them anyway.
True, nobody does this, right?
So, if you don't, if you're always grappling like this, right?
Yeah, so cover it with like a mitten, yeah, little mittens, like a leather top, like a nice little mitten.
So, it's your thumbs are free.
So, you still have some potential eye pokes from thumbs, but that mitigates a lot of it.
That mitigates a lot of it.
And you completely stop all this stuff because now you have a solid thing.
It's not going to go knuckle deep in.
One finger goes in, one finger's on your eyebrows, and it's just fucking digging in.
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joe rogan
That's crazy.
That would all stop if you had a mitten.
din thomas
Well, I mean, there's not a lot of eye pokes in bare knuckle, right?
unidentified
Right.
matt serra
That is interesting.
din thomas
And it's because they're always like this.
unidentified
Yeah.
din thomas
Because they're noted.
True.
It's just these guys that get in there and they're just like, Yeah.
So the way to stop it, really, I mean, it's take away points and guys will be like this more.
unidentified
Yeah.
joe rogan
Well, I wonder if there would be less eye pokes in just if you just think about MMA with gloves on, it was just boxing and no kicking and takedowns.
Maybe it's like all the different possibilities of things that are happening.
din thomas
That's what it is.
It's like they're trying to avoid the takedown and everything.
And blocking kicks.
joe rogan
Yeah, everything.
So that's why you're doing this.
Because like Muay Thai guys do this all the time.
Boxing guys very rarely do that.
unidentified
No.
joe rogan
Very rarely.
Unless they're showing off and they're about to hit you with a big right hand.
unidentified
BANG!
joe rogan
Like Deontay Wilder.
unidentified
Right.
din thomas
Yeah, he'll be.
joe rogan
Yeah, old school, Deontay Wilder would literally hold his fist in front of your face and then wing one.
Wing a nuclear bomb at your head.
din thomas
I think you just got to discourage guys to close your hands.
unidentified
Cover the fingers.
john rallo
Is he fighting Joshua?
joe rogan
I don't know.
I don't know.
john rallo
I thought I heard something about that.
joe rogan
That's a tough fight.
din thomas
He's too skinny for that.
unidentified
At this point.
joe rogan
He looked good in the Chasaur fight in moments.
There were moments.
He said, I love you, and then Chasaur said, I love you too.
And then he hit him, knocked him out of the ring.
unidentified
Jesus.
joe rogan
Deontay said he backed off on him because he saw he was hurt and he wanted him to go home to his family.
matt serra
I love you too.
And he fucking knocked him out of the ring.
joe rogan
Deontay did ayahuasca.
And I think a lot of times when a straight up assassin like Deontay Wilder meets God, oh, yeah, it takes a lot of that mean out of your heart.
You need a little of that mean to land those haymakers.
You got to be angry.
john rallo
It's true.
matt serra
Yeah, you don't want to be half a hippie when you're going in there.
joe rogan
You want to talk about one punch power, though.
That guy might be the greatest of all time.
Deontay, he was like 48 knockouts, 49 fights.
din thomas
He was, yeah, he was fucking people up.
unidentified
He had one decision.
john rallo
And he was not.
A great technical boxer.
He started late in life.
That right hand just was fucked.
Thor's hammer was dropping on people's heads.
joe rogan
Teddy Allis always calls it the eraser.
Any mistakes you make, that right hand erases them all.
din thomas
I always wanted to see him fight Ngano.
That would have been wild.
That would have been the fight to make.
Him and Ngano would have been the fight to make.
john rallo
Them two bombing at each other.
joe rogan
They could actually still do that.
john rallo
Yeah, why not?
joe rogan
They could still do that.
Like, Ngano, if you want to look at it from a business standpoint, man, that guy's killed it, right?
unidentified
Yeah.
joe rogan
Went over and got that crazy contract with the PFL.
He got a chance to fight Tyson Fury.
Knocks him down, becomes a legend.
Then gets a big money fight with Anthony Joshua.
That doesn't go so good.
And then he has his reintroduction to MMA.
He fights that dude, Hennen.
john rallo
Right, the 6'8 Australian guy.
Hennen Ferreira.
joe rogan
Takes him down, smashes him, beats him down.
So he made, what, $20 million in that fight?
Something crazy like that?
He had a crazy contract, right?
unidentified
Yeah.
joe rogan
And he had a contract where his opponent had to make at least $2 million.
unidentified
Who does that?
Yeah.
joe rogan
How do you not love the guy?
unidentified
I know.
joe rogan
How do you not love that?
Right.
He puts it into his opponent must make at least two million dollars.
unidentified
Yeah.
din thomas
I don't know.
And now he's got to be making a lot for this Netflix thing.
joe rogan
Netflix thing, they got to pay him because they need legit names.
unidentified
Yeah.
joe rogan
And, you know, Felipe Lins, he fought at light heavyweight in UFC, right?
unidentified
Yep.
Yeah.
din thomas
I worked with him a bit at top team.
And I mean, I just, this is a big moment for him.
That's all I can say.
Like, I don't know how he's going to do it.
It's a big moment for him.
unidentified
Yeah.
matt serra
I'm happy Nate is making that money.
Mike Perry, too.
I'm happy for them.
joe rogan
Yeah, I heard those guys are getting paid.
It's nice because this is a thing where if a fighter is.
In contract negotiations, they have their last fight on the contract and they decide not to fight or not to sign until after the fight.
Yeah, they do make that decision, which legally they can do, right?
Yeah, and all of a sudden Netflix is calling, yeah, especially if you win big, yeah, you win big, some stunning knockout for sure.
And then you know, you come over to Netflix and make what 12, yeah, a fight that's nuts and that forces everybody's hand.
That's what business is supposed to do, that's how it's supposed to operate.
It's good, that's what's good for the fighters.
That's the most important thing, and that's good for the fighters.
din thomas
But that's just like, that's why I'm hoping that this Netflix thing can be sustainable.
joe rogan
I hope so too.
din thomas
Yeah, because if they just do a one off, it's like, oh.
joe rogan
Again, I'm a terrible businessman.
unidentified
Yeah.
joe rogan
I'm terrible at it.
unidentified
Yeah.
Me too.
joe rogan
But just give the money to the fighters.
They're the ones who fight.
unidentified
Right.
joe rogan
Without that, you got nothing.
din thomas
Right.
joe rogan
Everybody's making plenty of money.
unidentified
Yeah.
Come on.
matt serra
It's going to be big, though, for sure, this thing.
Everybody's going to watch it, I think.
unidentified
100%.
joe rogan
It'll be huge because everybody has Netflix.
They're going to watch it.
It's going to be crazy.
Rhonda could become a superstar again.
Well, she's already a superstar, but I mean, if she wins again, then people start talking about maybe Rhonda's going to come back to the UFC.
And then maybe it's like a WWE moment.
Rhonda and Dana shake hands on a stage with Erica Kirk fireworks going off behind them.
john rallo
And Drewski dancing.
joe rogan
Rhonda and Kayla Harrison, White House lawn number two next summer.
unidentified
Oh, yeah.
din thomas
I don't think she would do well in the UFC, but this is great for her.
matt serra
She's done with the WWE and all that stuff.
unidentified
Yeah.
joe rogan
I bet it's probably hard for a.
I mean, she probably enjoyed the job.
It was a great job, made her a lot of money.
But it's probably hard for an elite competitor to do these stage things.
I mean, she's an elite competitor.
din thomas
Because, like, instinctively, she just wants to compete.
unidentified
100%.
joe rogan
She doesn't want to fake compete.
john rallo
I mean, some guys did it right.
Kurt Angle turned out to be a real good pro wrestler, you know, despite being a gold medalist.
joe rogan
No, no, listen, it's a great gig.
Don't get me wrong, but I'm saying for someone who still can fight.
john rallo
Oh, you just got an angle.
Your angle was done at that point when he went to pro wrestling.
matt serra
I went to that.
joe rogan
Won the Olympics with a broken neck.
john rallo
Jesus, savage.
matt serra
I just went to the headquarters in Connecticut.
It's pretty wild.
unidentified
Nice.
matt serra
Yeah, I read Stephanie McMahon's podcast.
She's very nice, Stephanie McMahon.
unidentified
Nice.
matt serra
And I seen that whole fucking place.
If you're into WWE, it's like a fucking nerdgasm.
I'm not really into it.
joe rogan
Bro, it's just stuff with cream and Oh my God.
He's already been there, I'm sure.
matt serra
Oh, yeah.
joe rogan
He's working with them now.
unidentified
Is he?
Yeah, yeah.
joe rogan
He's doing stuff with the WWE.
john rallo
Is he writing for him?
joe rogan
He's going to be in some shows.
He's going to be a bad guy doing some things.
unidentified
Oh my God.
john rallo
He should be like a mad dude.
joe rogan
He's so happy.
He's so happy.
john rallo
That's great.
joe rogan
I don't know how much I could talk about this.
I have to be quiet.
I don't know how much this is public, but they're already announcing they're doing some stuff with Kill Tony, and he's going to roast WWE people.
They're going to do some stuff like that.
They're doing a lot of collaborations together.
It's perfect.
That guy's a giant wrestling fan.
matt serra
He loves it.
unidentified
Yeah.
matt serra
The guys that love it, love it.
unidentified
That's it.
matt serra
That's fucking love it.
din thomas
And he's the best roaster, too, man.
joe rogan
The best.
din thomas
When I be seeing him at the fights, I don't say shit.
I'm like, yo, I don't want him coming at me.
matt serra
He had Dana's back.
joe rogan
That's my boy.
unidentified
Yeah.
matt serra
He had Dana's back for the fucking time we had to do that thing at the Last Factory.
Oh, yeah, yeah.
Dana's like, yeah, we're going to do this thing.
And nobody's coming in prepared.
Meanwhile, he had Tony Hincliffe.
unidentified
Yeah.
matt serra
He wrote his whole set like two months prior.
joe rogan
That's hilarious.
Yeah, Tony's the best at that shit.
He's the best at cracking people.
Cracking on people and cutting people down.
matt serra
But the people that love that soap opera world of the WWE, it's.
I don't hate on it.
I see how much they love it.
joe rogan
It keeps you entertained.
matt serra
They like it.
You know what I mean?
joe rogan
They're really smart at mixing things up and bringing in new characters and having new crazy moments.
And if you're a nerd like Tony, like, yeah!
They go nuts.
It's like the same escape.
john rallo
It's a male soap opera.
joe rogan
Yeah, but it's like the same kind of escape that you get if you're watching Game of Thrones.
It's just an escape.
unidentified
This is silly.
joe rogan
This is crazy.
din thomas
Oh, my God, he's back from that dad.
See, I can't do that.
I draw the line there.
I can't do that.
And I ain't got no problem with it.
I just can't do it.
joe rogan
I'm in the same camp as you.
It's not my thing.
I don't watch it, but I respect it.
I respect how hard it is to do.
unidentified
Yeah.
din thomas
Oh, yeah.
joe rogan
It's fucking incredible.
din thomas
Very difficult to do.
Remember, Matt, we wrestled in Memphis.
matt serra
Yeah, we did a little thing in the street.
But we were just winging it.
unidentified
Yeah.
matt serra
I was hoping you'd just let me get a submission.
You know, you fight me off.
din thomas
Come on, man.
matt serra
I mean, it's stratified.
din thomas
I hurt my knee.
It was tough, man.
I was like, damn, this is harder than I thought.
john rallo
Oh, them guys take a beating for sure.
You can learn how to fall, but you're still falling.
unidentified
Yeah.
joe rogan
I've met Hulk Hogan twice.
Well, I've met him before when he did a promo with me with the UFC.
It was when we were on Spike back then.
Yeah.
But I met him a long time ago, and he's like, he was six foot five.
He's this giant fucking dude.
I was like, holy shit, it's Hulk Hogan.
And then I saw him the last time he did my podcast, and he's like four inches shorter.
And it's all from getting all of his spine fused.
matt serra
I was about to say, you're the same height now.
Moon Side Sun Project 00:03:39
matt serra
I'm like, wait a minute.
joe rogan
What happened here?
He was like a big guy still.
But he was, he used to be a giant.
He was like this towering fucking crazy guy, bald head, thunder lips.
He was so fun.
That dude was so fun.
But that's how many back surgeries he had.
And he said it was all from that move that he had where he dropped down.
Oh, no.
john rallo
And then the big seat drop.
joe rogan
Exactly.
So the seat drop, every time he does that, he's compressing his discs.
john rallo
300 plus pounds.
Yeah, 300 fucking pounds.
Every night.
joe rogan
Dropping down every night and just blowing his back out.
His back was just destroyed.
Wow.
Destroyed.
Every vertebrae destroyed.
Every disc blown apart.
Herniations all throughout.
I barely could walk.
matt serra
I was watching The Princess Bride the other day with Andre the Giant.
unidentified
What a great movie.
matt serra
Anyone want a peanut?
Yeah, he's fucking great.
joe rogan
My name is Diego Montoya.
unidentified
Love that.
joe rogan
You killed my father.
matt serra
Yeah, I bet you die.
Such a great movie.
john rallo
This is so great.
joe rogan
Great movie.
matt serra
Yeah, I put that on for the family.
Have the kids watch it.
It's a classic.
joe rogan
Yeah, that's one that lasts ages.
It goes through generations.
unidentified
Look at that.
matt serra
Yeah, yeah, it holds up.
unidentified
Fucking love it.
You know?
joe rogan
They don't make them like that anymore.
matt serra
I just saw that Project Hail Mary.
That's a nice one for the family.
joe rogan
What is that?
matt serra
It's with Ryan Gosling goes to space and fucking has to save the world type of thing.
But, you know, it's more than that.
But that's pretty much the premise.
joe rogan
Where are these Artemis people at now?
Are they passing the moon yet?
unidentified
They already did.
joe rogan
They passed it?
unidentified
What happened?
joe rogan
They landed on Monday.
So when did they land yet?
Are they back yet?
unidentified
Where are they?
jamie vernon
It should be probably back in the next day or two.
unidentified
Well, who's going where?
din thomas
They went around the moon.
They went all the way around the moon?
joe rogan
All the way around the moon.
john rallo
No, they just went around and saw the dark side of the moon.
joe rogan
Yeah, they took photos of the dark side of the moon.
unidentified
Oh, really?
Yeah.
jamie vernon
They crashed on Friday.
Splash.
joe rogan
Splash on Friday.
john rallo
I was getting ready to say, what?
joe rogan
They crashed.
So they land tomorrow.
Wow.
So the dark side of the moon is only dark when the moon's not.
It's not dark.
The sun still hits it the same amount the sun hits the light side of the moon.
john rallo
Is that true?
unidentified
Yes.
joe rogan
I used to think, I'm a retard, I used to think that the reason why we only see one side of the moon. Is because the moon doesn't spin.
john rallo
That's what I thought.
joe rogan
No, no, no.
The moon not only spins around us, but it rotates.
But when we see it, the only time we see the moon during a full moon or a quarter moon or whatever it is, is when the sun is hitting the side that's always facing us.
Right.
So when it goes the other way, there's a different side that's facing us, but we don't ever get to see it because it's dark.
unidentified
Right.
joe rogan
That's what it is.
din thomas
So they took pictures of the other side?
joe rogan
Exactly.
Yeah.
And there's aliens everywhere.
din thomas
I was about to say, yeah, I was going to say, what's on it?
unidentified
What's on the other side?
Yeah, yeah.
din thomas
The civilization on the other side?
What's on the other side?
matt serra
And in that movie, he finds an alien, by the way.
unidentified
Oh, he does.
matt serra
It's not really a spoiler.
It's in the trailers.
joe rogan
I had that guy, Bob Lazar, on again recently.
unidentified
Who's that?
joe rogan
You want to see a great documentary?
It's fun.
First, I would say Jeremy Corbell's documentary, which is Area 51, Bob Lazar, and Flying Saucers.
Is that what it's called?
Bob Lazar, Area 51, and Flying Saucers?
So this guy was an engineer, and he was hired to work on these.
Spacecrafts that he didn't know what the fuck they were.
They told him, like, try to figure out this propulsion system.
They brought him into this hangar, and this is in like 1988.
It's a flying saucer that looks exactly like that thing on the desk.
unidentified
Jesus.
joe rogan
It has an American flag sticker on it.
Planes Helicopter Laser 00:03:44
joe rogan
So he's like, oh, it must be ours.
Then he gets in it and he's like, what the fuck is this?
It's made for people that are three feet tall.
There's no controls, no buttons, nothing.
matt serra
Why are you looking at me, motherfucker?
unidentified
Why?
john rallo
Because you're the only guy to confront me.
unidentified
Why are you three feet tall?
You look right at me.
You son of a bitch.
joe rogan
But he's got a new one out called S4.
I recommend it to anybody.
They did like CGI and they DH'd it.
john rallo
Is it on Netflix or YouTube?
joe rogan
No, it's on Amazon.
john rallo
Amazon.
joe rogan
Some other places.
john rallo
What's it called again?
joe rogan
S4.
john rallo
S4.
din thomas
I just saw, I was just watching a series with you on it Ancient Apocalypse.
joe rogan
Was I on that?
din thomas
Yeah, you were in that.
joe rogan
Oh, with Graham Hancock.
din thomas
Yeah, Graham Hancock.
joe rogan
That's right.
Yeah, Graham is my man.
matt serra
Do you know Jodrigo Gracie?
unidentified
Yeah.
matt serra
A good buddy of mine, my old roommate.
He's a fucking wacky guy.
unidentified
He's fucking funny.
matt serra
Funny as shit.
So, you know, we were just out to eat last night with Danaher.
We were talking about him.
God, I love that guy.
And he's like, oh, he's great.
And he's like, oh, I'm glad that Joderico's matured.
I was talking about how he's doing good.
He just visited me.
He did my podcast and he did a seminar at my place.
So, you know, I was catching up with him.
So he told me he was visiting Area 51 with his wife.
And he goes, so yeah, you know, I always wanted to go there.
So me and Fernanda, we drove down there and.
No, nothing was happening.
So then I'm driving back.
You got to drive back hours through like the dark desert, right?
So he's driving back and he goes, Fernanda fell asleep.
So I had my laser pointer.
So I'm just pointing at a sign, pointing at this.
He goes, Matt.
And then I saw blue lights in the distance.
He goes, I want to make contact.
unidentified
He goes, what?
matt serra
He goes, she was sleeping.
So I started taking my laser pin and pointing at it.
He goes, and I didn't think anything of it.
And then all of a sudden I'm driving.
And I hear a yellow circle around my car.
And I wake up Fernanda.
She's like, What did you do?
And he's like, I just took my laser pen.
It was a helicopter fucking following him.
And he goes, He was getting down to like almost my roof.
I didn't know what to do.
They had a yellow spot around my fucking car.
So she told me, We called the police.
So they go, Look, there's a helicopter following us.
They go, are you in a.?
They said the car, everything.
They go, the authorities are waiting for you at the rest stop, up or whatever.
So he goes to the rest stop, takes his laser pointer.
He gets there, he throws it in the garbage.
I don't know why.
And then he comes out.
They're like, look, they put him in cuffs.
And he goes to his wife.
He goes, go in there, get the laser pen.
It's in the bathroom.
She goes in the men's room through the garbage, finds it.
So they're saying, all right, you were shooting, interfering with.
A military helicopter, or whatever it is.
In other words, it's a major crime here that he could be facing.
He goes, man.
He goes, I was shitting myself.
The two pilots come over.
One of them takes off the helmet.
Califlower is.
He goes, fucking, thank you.
He trained under my cousin.
He goes, the guy's bowing to me.
He goes, my wife's yelling at me.
So he got out of it.
The guy trained under, he's a brown belt.
unidentified
Oh, my God.
joe rogan
How lucky.
Dude.
That's so lucky.
matt serra
I know fucking Adrigo, man.
Only you, bro.
joe rogan
That's so lucky.
Yeah, they probably thought they were trying to, like, fuck with planes.
Because kids do that.
They shine laser beams at planes.
It's like a real problem, is it?
They get in their eyes while they're fucking flying the planes.
The lasers go all the way up to planes.
matt serra
I used to be with him on 27th Street.
Tapes Planes Wow Yelling 00:15:03
matt serra
He's like, Matt, watch this.
We'd be at the window.
Guys walking down the street.
Fucking, he's like, ah, look at him jump on the cover.
You're going to hell.
That's what you're doing.
joe rogan
That's so ridiculous.
A lot of people would think it's a laser sight on a rifle.
john rallo
Exactly.
unidentified
What the fuck is he doing?
Take that down.
Don't do that.
joe rogan
Don't do that around here.
john rallo
He thought he was making contact.
matt serra
He's making contact.
He's got a chopper.
joe rogan
Yeah, they keep talking about making contact.
I'm tired of hearing about it.
din thomas
Let's do it already.
unidentified
God damn it.
din thomas
Yeah, I want to see it.
unidentified
Yeah.
joe rogan
It's just dick teasing us.
matt serra
Yeah, shit.
I don't think.
joe rogan
But you're a sci fi guy.
matt serra
Oh, man.
Have you watched the Dune movies or no?
unidentified
No.
joe rogan
I know.
matt serra
You don't want to give it a shot.
joe rogan
I do.
I don't have any time.
unidentified
They were good.
joe rogan
But I can get home too.
Like, if it's late at night when I'm home and I'm by myself watching shit, I don't want to watch anything like that.
I want to watch documentaries.
matt serra
I was about to say, man.
Take a week off of a documentary on fucking.
unidentified
I know.
I gotta like.
matt serra
Dude, we're not gonna find out what happened with the PMX next week.
The Dune movies are so fucking good.
joe rogan
I heard they're amazing.
matt serra
Josh Brolin is great.
And now they got the Dune Messiah.
john rallo
Momoa was in it.
joe rogan
Yeah, they got a third one coming out.
matt serra
Yep, third one coming out.
And this guy can't miss this.
joe rogan
Everybody keeps telling me how awesome they are.
unidentified
They are good.
john rallo
They are good.
matt serra
No, they're very good.
din thomas
I tried to watch it.
It was kind of slow.
matt serra
Yeah, you know what?
You get that.
unidentified
Just so much.
matt serra
Yeah, it's kind of slow.
joe rogan
Dissenting opinions.
unidentified
Yeah, man.
I don't know.
Yeah.
matt serra
Hey, you know what else?
Who else is coming out with a movie?
Who?
Just like we planned.
Remember, you told me that.
Bring that shit up.
He came out with a.
john rallo
I paid him.
matt serra
Flowers.
unidentified
Flowers.
din thomas
I did it so fast.
Hey, wait, wait.
john rallo
That's why Dean picked up dinner last night.
I said.
din thomas
No, no, I did that because of my new job.
matt serra
I'll tell you right now, he must give me a heart attack when you reach for that fucking bill.
unidentified
Yeah.
joe rogan
Is this a movie that you put together?
unidentified
Yeah, yeah.
din thomas
What's it produced?
unidentified
Yeah, yeah, yeah.
din thomas
It's about a female in an abusive relationship.
unidentified
Wow.
joe rogan
Look at you, Mr. Sensitive.
unidentified
There it is.
matt serra
There it is.
unidentified
Flowers.
Oh, boy.
No shit.
joe rogan
The multi talented.
unidentified
Yeah.
matt serra
You know, nothing to do with cage fighting at all.
unidentified
Look at that.
joe rogan
D. Thomas.
That's incredible, dude.
Congratulations.
That's awesome.
din thomas
Yeah, I'm going to start shopping at the film festival next week.
joe rogan
That's awesome, dude.
That's awesome.
din thomas
Yeah.
joe rogan
I like when people spread their wings.
din thomas
You got to.
You know, life is short, and you don't want to be in a box.
You want to be able to do all kinds of different things.
joe rogan
And you can do whatever the fuck you want.
din thomas
You can do whatever the fuck you want, yeah.
unidentified
Yeah.
din thomas
So I try to do whatever the fuck I want.
joe rogan
I'm telling you, that's how to live.
unidentified
Yeah.
joe rogan
That's how to live.
There's too many people out there not doing what they want to do.
unidentified
Ah.
din thomas
That's a hell of a deal.
It makes me sad, actually.
joe rogan
It's a sad existence.
unidentified
Yeah.
joe rogan
You know, and a lot of people are doing it because, like, you got to take care of your family, and I get it and I respect it.
Maybe you have a good time at work.
That's great.
But if there's a thing you want to do while you're still breathing, I know.
unidentified
Do it.
joe rogan
You should do it.
You should try.
At least try it.
matt serra
Get it out of your head.
I feel so fortunate when I fucking have my day to day.
You know what I mean?
unidentified
Yeah.
matt serra
Because I'm not like Eugene Thomas.
I don't want to do shit.
He's got another job every other week.
unidentified
He does.
matt serra
He's asking how I'm doing.
I'm like, dude, my school.
Taglios Pizzeria.
No promade, no bleach.
And my podcast, I'm having fun with, and UFC Unfiltered.
Dude, it's just such a perfect little thing for me.
I don't want to do anything else.
joe rogan
Beautiful.
matt serra
It's so much fun.
joe rogan
There's a lot of power in saying no.
unidentified
Oh.
joe rogan
You know?
Saying no to things.
I don't want to do anything more.
Like, just enjoy what you're doing.
unidentified
Yeah.
joe rogan
You don't have to keep piling on.
But the thing is, once things start going good, you start saying, oh, I better not say no to nothing.
din thomas
No.
joe rogan
I better just keep saying yes.
unidentified
Yeah.
No.
joe rogan
They're offering me that.
unidentified
I should do that.
Yeah.
din thomas
I'll find the time.
But once you get to the point where you can say, No, that's a great place to be.
joe rogan
Oh, it's the best place.
matt serra
Is your heart in it or not?
Do you want to do that?
joe rogan
Exactly.
unidentified
Exactly.
matt serra
Shoot, man.
The day to day, your day to day life.
That's what I love about Longo.
Longo's, you know, it's funny.
He's holding for my daughter now, which is so great.
She had her first Kickboxing Machine one, I thought.
joe rogan
But like, he sent us the pictures in the group chat.
unidentified
Yeah, yeah, yeah.
joe rogan
It's amazing, right?
But it's such a proud moment.
matt serra
Oh, so proud.
And it's just so cool, man, when I see him holding for her.
unidentified
That's awesome.
matt serra
He doesn't have, like, you know, he just, that guy just is the best.
He's just doing the same thing.
joe rogan
You and him, there's just, if, Paramount was smart.
They would do a whole series of you and him traveling to fights, working with people, hanging out and cornering each other.
You guys in the corner are some.
I'm like, keep the camera on Sarah.
unidentified
Ain't that the truth?
joe rogan
It's the truth.
We always talk about it in the commentary.
It's fucking awesome watching you guys in a corner.
Good technical advice, but it's just fun.
You guys are fun together.
matt serra
Just on an amateur card, we just got brought back together for one of my fighters, Adrian.
This young Filipino guy.
Good kid, he's a nurse, always smiling.
john rallo
They're all nurses, brother.
matt serra
He went in there, and he's just like, I just have my one wish is to have you and Ray in my corner.
He's such a nice kid.
So we went in there, we cornered him.
We didn't have to work the corner though the first round.
He flatlined this guy.
Nice.
unidentified
Oh, man.
john rallo
So, yeah, man.
You guys are great on your podcast together, too.
He's got a good chemistry.
joe rogan
He got a crazy friendship.
It's perfect.
It's like the banter's hilarious.
The two of you guys, you compliment each other perfectly.
It would be a great show.
I'm telling you that.
matt serra
I think we're going to do something soon before the first episode is me and the guys taking Longo to a home.
He's not getting any younger.
Hey, guys, field trip Longo.
unidentified
Where are we going?
joe rogan
Don't let him talk to you like that, Ray.
I'm in your corner, Ray.
matt serra
Fucking road trip to the fucking home, Longo.
No, no, no.
Longo's got a lot of life.
He's fucking good.
unidentified
Oh, my God.
matt serra
What do you think of Gilbert Burns versus Mike Malotte?
Gilbert's lost four in a row, but he did it to all killers.
You know what I mean?
joe rogan
Lots of tough guys.
matt serra
Malat only lost once to Neil Magni in a fight that he was doing great in, but then he got Neil Magni because that guy's fucking so hard.
joe rogan
Never gets tired.
din thomas
Never gets tired.
joe rogan
Never gets disciplined.
Always in shape.
matt serra
He's rided the ship since then.
And that kid's like the next Captain Canada.
He's doing.
People, they make an unfair comparison like, are you the next George?
That type of thing.
But he's his own fighter.
He's got a great skill set, good head on his shoulders.
Family of studs.
His brother's like an ice hockey.
joe rogan
It's a good test for him, Gilbert, at this stage of his career.
unidentified
Yeah.
matt serra
See if he still got it.
joe rogan
Yeah.
matt serra
You know, he's the first guy to make comms out looking human.
joe rogan
But when Morales did that to Gilbert, I was like, Jesus Christ.
Morales is terrifying.
He looks so big.
It doesn't make any sense.
unidentified
I know.
joe rogan
He doesn't make any sense.
din thomas
So when I was with Brady, when Brady got beat by him, and the way he looked okay, right?
You know, a guy, he's 170 pounds.
Then the next day, he steps into the cage, and we're just looking like, oh my God.
unidentified
He was massive.
joe rogan
Massive.
unidentified
Yeah.
joe rogan
And when you're that much taller and you're the better striker.
unidentified
God, that's such a good one.
din thomas
Yeah, it's a huge advantage.
Because you can stand six feet away from a guy and just be like, wow, wow, wow, wow.
joe rogan
And Gary last week.
unidentified
Oh, my God.
What are we talking about?
Yeah.
john rallo
Like, I know Mansoor.
He trained it with ground control as a kid before he went off to college and all.
And I mean, the only thing I can say, first off, obviously, he was not ready for him yet.
But he definitely showed a lot of heart because he fucking stayed in there and took a fuckish hand.
joe rogan
I was just thinking the exact same thing.
john rallo
I hope he comes back.
I mean, that was a bad thing.
Personally, knowing him, I felt horrible watching that.
I was like, so.
joe rogan
He wasn't ready for that yet.
unidentified
Yeah.
joe rogan
When you get an elite striker, you've got to realize that guy beat Pereira in glory.
unidentified
Yeah.
joe rogan
Pereira knocked him out twice after that.
But in the first fight, he beat Pereira.
john rallo
I think people just didn't look like ordinary in his first couple.
He came out with a new version, and it was fucking impressive.
joe rogan
He's fucking good, and he's training with.
Pereira now.
So he's at Glover's club.
unidentified
Yeah.
matt serra
You know, Glover's club.
joe rogan
That's a great fucking camp.
And Glover has so much knowledge.
Yeah.
That guy was in the dark for six years where he couldn't get into America.
And during those six years, he was the boogeyman.
Everybody talked about Glover.
They're like, there's a guy that's in Brazil.
He can't get to America, but if that guy gets here, he's fucking everybody up.
And that was Glover.
Glover was always training with Chuck.
Chuck in.
unidentified
Yeah, yeah, yeah.
joe rogan
Up in SLO.
din thomas
And they're in Danbury, Connecticut.
That's another thing.
matt serra
And that's not on the streets.
din thomas
They're not in Vegas.
They're not wild out.
joe rogan
Ain't shit to do out there.
din thomas
Yeah, all they're doing is training.
unidentified
Yeah.
matt serra
Yeah, dude.
joe rogan
Just nothing but Lyme disease in the woods.
unidentified
Right?
john rallo
And federal prison in Danbury.
unidentified
Yeah.
joe rogan
Yeah, Connecticut is a good place to just not get distracted.
Just get to work.
din thomas
Danbury's where Hodrigo Gracie broke my elbow.
matt serra
I was there.
din thomas
Yeah, you was there?
unidentified
I was there.
din thomas
I didn't know you were there.
unidentified
Niagara?
matt serra
You know I was there.
din thomas
Yeah, Niagara, yeah.
joe rogan
Damn.
Did you have to get pins in it?
din thomas
No, I mean, they reset it, cast it.
No pins.
matt serra
He told that story at the seminar.
din thomas
Oh, he did?
Yeah, because I had to bring that up.
matt serra
Man, I was like 25 years ago.
No, he said it.
Because we weren't close at the time.
unidentified
Oh.
matt serra
And I was yelling shit, but I regret that too.
unidentified
Wait a minute.
matt serra
What did you yell?
He let it go.
He let it go.
And you didn't tap.
din thomas
Well, yeah.
matt serra
And right, which was great.
And then I was yelling at him for letting it go, which I was just psychotic because you're my friend now.
But at the time, it was just.
din thomas
Well, to be fair, like if I knew it was going to break, I would have tapped.
unidentified
Yeah.
Yeah.
din thomas
I didn't know it was going to break.
unidentified
Right.
Yeah.
Yeah.
matt serra
Nah, that's what the story told.
Then he said that Henso yelled at him too after that.
din thomas
For letting it go?
matt serra
Why'd you.
Were you getting soft?
din thomas
Yeah.
matt serra
Why'd you let that shit go?
joe rogan
Bro, I got to get Henso in here.
unidentified
Oh, man.
joe rogan
He's the best.
john rallo
He's definitely.
joe rogan
We were going to do it at one time, but he was only in Austin for a short amount of time and I didn't have anything open.
unidentified
In.
joe rogan
I couldn't get him in.
I'd love to sit down with that guy.
What a legend.
unidentified
Yeah.
john rallo
Stories for days.
joe rogan
And he's one of those guys like you hear about a guy getting a black belt and you're like, okay.
And you go, you got a black belt from Henso.
You're like, oh, okay.
unidentified
Definitely.
joe rogan
It's like Henso, Hickson, Jean-Jacques Machado.
There's a few of those guys that are like, okay, that's a real black belt.
Like, I mean, Henso's New York place.
It's like one of the most legendary places in the history of jiu-jitsu.
If you had to write a history of jiu-jitsu, the Henso Academy in New York City, Holy shit, man.
unidentified
100%.
Remember when he came over?
matt serra
He came over in 96.
We had like an in school tournament.
You know what I mean?
It was great because Craig Kukuk already had two schools for him.
He had a Jersey school and.
Where's that guy?
No clue, man.
john rallo
No wonder he went to like Buffalo and disappeared.
matt serra
My first instructor.
But he was not an easy guy to.
He never let you get too close.
joe rogan
I bought all the tapes.
I learned a Mount Escape for those tapes and it worked one day.
I was like, oh shit, it worked.
matt serra
He was a very good teacher.
unidentified
I had a lot of fun.
I had a lot of fun too.
joe rogan
Before Henry came over.
He was an early Brazilian Jiu Jitsu black belt.
He was a black belt like early 90s, right?
Like the Steve Maxwell era.
He was one of the earliest ones, too.
matt serra
I found out about him through the Gracie newsletter that I was applied to at like 17.
I used to get that.
Because when you buy the tapes, you get a newsletter.
And one newsletter, it was like every few months, it was announcing the first American black belt.
And then like two newsletters later, they disowned him.
They had a business.
But then I found out through Black Belt Magazine that he was teaching in the village one day a week in the city.
I go, all right.
They might have disowned him, but they couldn't take away his skill set.
There was no place to learn on the East Coast except for Maxwell and Philly.
So that's how I found Kukuk.
And then he partnered up with Henzo and.
And then I went with Henso when they broke up, obviously.
joe rogan
Why did they break up?
matt serra
I remember Henso took me out to eat one time, and he's like, Look, and I always got along with Henso so much better right off the bat.
Like, Henso was just so warm and great, and he invited me over his house, and he was just such a, and Craig was always kind of a wall.
He was a big German guy, just, hmm.
But I remember one time he told me, Look, something with the business where he wasn't, felt like he was being treated fairly, I'll just leave it like that.
And then he goes, Look, He goes, if no one likes Craig, he goes, if you go with him and me, he goes, people will go with him because of you, because they like you.
But I want you to come with me.
I go, look, I go, and at first I'm like, is any, you know, I was a young kid.
I didn't know.
I go, is there any way you guys could make up?
He goes, man, if it was Brazil, he'd be already dead.
I go, all right, okay, Enzo.
unidentified
All right, I got you.
matt serra
So much for that.
So I went with Enzo and Craig kind of left town.
din thomas
So, Matt, where are you in the pecking order in terms of American black belts from Henza?
matt serra
I'm the first American on the Henza.
din thomas
Okay, so you're right.
unidentified
That's amazing.
That's crazy.
That's amazing.
matt serra
That's something that could be my biggest achievement right there.
You know, he took me under his wing, Henzo.
Again, I was a purple belt.
He got me out of a security guard booth, taking me to Japan to corner him versus rings because he wanted me to see what it's like backstage.
Dude, I didn't do anything yet.
I'm like, oh, shit.
Really?
Japan?
So he would just do stuff like that.
Yeah, he put a lot into me.
So I can't thank him enough, dude.
joe rogan
That fucking camp.
You just think about how many elite black belts Henzo produced.
And then think of the John Donahue branch of it.
din thomas
Yeah, I know, yeah.
Generationally, it dominates.
All the generations of jiu jitsu.
joe rogan
Especially now, if you think of what Donahue has done.
unidentified
Oh, my God.
joe rogan
I mean, his prize guy, Gordon Ryan, greatest of all time.
unidentified
For sure.
din thomas
But I mean, even on the other side, who they don't get along with so much now, like Nicki Rod and them, are still from Donahue.
joe rogan
Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah.
And all elite of the elite.
Yeah.
Well, it's a crazy lineage.
matt serra
That's a guy that just put 100% of himself into it, and he's got a genius mind.
I remember he didn't even own a television until my buddy Chad LeBron, who was moving back to Virginia, gave him something.
He gave him one so he could watch.
It had, I think, a VHS and a DVD thing where he wanted to just study wrestling tapes and Japanese tapes.
He just used it just to study.
joe rogan
I have a question for you.
Whatever happened to Eddie Wolverine?
matt serra
I asked him about that last night.
joe rogan
What's his last name again?
unidentified
Cummins.
Cummins.
matt serra
What did he say?
He got into some kind of business now.
He's not really training as much.
joe rogan
God, that guy was good.
matt serra
Yeah, he was good.
joe rogan
It was leg locks, man.
Early in the day, as the leg lock revolution was unfolding, there was a lot of.
john rallo
Yeah, that was John's first, you know, Savage he put out.
unidentified
I remember.
joe rogan
And, you know, Just super, super technical.
You know?
unidentified
Yeah, little guys.
joe rogan
Trained a lot of those guys in leg lock technique, too.
You know, they all shared techniques.
matt serra
Oh, yeah.
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matt serra
I think it's just amazing that John drives.
He never drove in New York.
I was like, how'd you get here?
He goes, oh, I drove.
I go, you fucking.
joe rogan
With a rash guard on and a fanny pack and an Adidas sweatpants.
john rallo
He was dressed up last night.
He had an all blacks polo shirt on.
unidentified
I go, yeah.
john rallo
From New Zealand.
unidentified
Yeah.
Yeah.
din thomas
A New Zealand all black polo shirt.
john rallo
Matt asked him, he goes, what?
No rash guard?
And he goes, oh, I got dressed up.
For you tonight.
joe rogan
Well, you probably went back home to his family, and his mother was like, honey, stop wearing the rash card everywhere.
unidentified
It is crazy.
joe rogan
That's all you would wear.
matt serra
He's teaching at Kingsway now, Gordon School.
Now that Gordon's done competing, he's got that school going on.
joe rogan
He's like a character in a movie.
He's not supposed to exist.
matt serra
That are?
joe rogan
Yeah, he's a philosophy major at Columbia who falls in love with jiu jitsu because he's a bouncer.
john rallo
He wants to learn jiu jitsu.
He wants to bounce at scores.
joe rogan
Yeah, right.
He's like jacked.
Like powerlifter bouncer who played rugby.
john rallo
He was like 220, he was yoked up.
unidentified
Jacked.
joe rogan
And so then he learns jiu jitsu, becomes obsessed with jiu jitsu, but his body's all fucked up from rugby.
He's got a fucked up knee, then his hip gets fucked up, and so he can't really compete, but he is such a jiu jitsu fanatic that he trains the best guys of all time.
It's kind of nuts.
unidentified
Yeah, it is nuts.
joe rogan
And that's all he cares about.
Like, he doesn't give a shit about anything, he doesn't give a fuck about social media.
Look at John there.
john rallo
That's one of my favorite pictures.
unidentified
Oh my God.
joe rogan
Full head of hair, jacked, looking ready for a.
A gay date.
john rallo
John definitely.
joe rogan
Almost looks like he had a skirt on.
unidentified
Yeah, it does.
joe rogan
He was a really jumbo.
john rallo
John definitely would rock a headgear too when he wrestled, for sure.
joe rogan
He's a bad motherfucker, dude.
Bad motherfucker.
I know a lot of people who rolled with him that were shocked.
john rallo
Yeah, yeah.
Dude, John would do privates and wrestle everybody all day long.
matt serra
Yeah, he lived it.
He still lives in it.
That's all he does.
joe rogan
And it's just so fortunate that you get a guy who's that smart in everything.
He's really well read history, all kinds of.
He's a very interesting guy to talk to.
unidentified
He's a genius.
joe rogan
But he becomes obsessed only with jujitsu.
He didn't have a family.
He doesn't have a wife and kids he's got to take care of.
matt serra
I love that.
unidentified
Choking people.
matt serra
When you have us out here, it's like a routine now.
Now, every time we come out, I get dinner with him.
I don't see him too often.
It's great.
john rallo
It's like a little reunion each time we come to town.
matt serra
I'd be with him how many days a week?
We'd just.
Train and go to Burritoville.
joe rogan
They were in Puerto Rico during the pandemic and they were having a hard time there.
And I was like, come to Texas, baby.
unidentified
Come on down.
matt serra
I'll tell you, you're the Pied Piper.
They all ended up here.
joe rogan
Well, it's a fun place, man.
It really is.
din thomas
Well, I heard the whole Puerto Rico thing was good for a while, though.
I was talking to Nikki Ride about that.
He said it was great.
He was like, just being in Puerto Rico with your friends in a frat house training jiu-jitsu all day.
It was amazing.
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joe rogan
Well, especially because they were shut down.
unidentified
Yeah.
joe rogan
And in Puerto Rico, you have outside, like, you can get light into the room.
So it kills the fucking staff.
Better, yeah, right.
How many guys got staff from that basement jujitsu, right?
Right, a lot of people got staff.
There's a lot of funk that gets on those mats.
matt serra
That if you're not careful, up his belly with all the antibiotics, that's from staff, dude.
My belly, Joe, on the way here, on the way to the JFK, because I always got my issues, but I usually give myself like if I'm going somewhere, like on a car trip or anywhere, I clear out for at least an hour and a half to two hours.
Like, I'll give myself my espresso in the morning.
Two seltzes, and then I just let it go to work, and I'm pushing on my belly because things get stuck in there.
So I thought I gave myself enough time, and I was going to JFK from my house 30 minutes, it was nine in the morning.
10 minutes into that fucking car trip, I go, I'm not fucking making it.
I go, I'm not, I go, I'm not.
And the guy was, my driver was such a good guy.
What a nice guy.
I gave him a fifth, I gave him a fucking tip, good tip.
So we're driving, I go, I go, Lyle, let me just keep watching videos on my phone.
I'm like, let me just try to let my mind go somewhere.
The clock wasn't moving.
I look back, I go, that's another minute.
I go, I'm not, there's no way I'm making this.
So I'm on the Bell Park way.
It's not like you could just pull over.
So I go, you know, I go, I go, buddy, I go, I go, I'm sorry, man.
I go, I'm not gonna make it.
I go, we got a pullover.
He goes, oh, there's nowhere really to pull over.
You want me to take an egg?
I go, go off an egg.
I go, you're going to have to do something.
I go, I'm not making it.
I go, can I get you?
I go, can I have your 7 Eleven cup?
I go, he goes, oh, do you have to pee?
I go, no, I'm going to shit in your cup.
I go, no, I go, I'm sorry.
I go, I'm sorry, sir.
I go, but I go, I go, I knew it was, it's just, it's going to happen.
And it's my biggest fucking fear.
And it's coming to life.
So this guy, no, it's okay.
No, it's okay.
He got over.
We almost hit a fucking car.
I'm on the side.
There's not even bushes or anything.
There was some, like, some, like, uh, nobody could see you.
Everybody saw me.
No, this guy could be on the top of your head.
I got out.
As I'm taking my pants down, fucking, I'm going, thank goodness I made it.
And fuck, I get back in.
I go, buddy.
joe rogan
You shit in the cup?
matt serra
No, I didn't shit.
I just pissed.
Oh.
But it's like, well, I mean, I felt my asshole purp bubbles, but nothing.
You know, when you feel like, you know, what does it?
joe rogan
It's like that with you when you have to pee too?
matt serra
Sometimes I have to do both.
I have to pee, but I know to really get it all out, I have to push it.
Hey, everybody, how's my ass?
joe rogan
So, with pee though, you can't just hold pee?
matt serra
Man, I can, but not to this.
joe rogan
Not like how you used to be able to?
matt serra
Well, it's not like.
It's one of those things where.
I have to clear out in the morning, and I thought I totally cleared out, but sometimes I'm like, all right, I'm good.
I pushed out totally.
And then it kind of just gets something else in the chamber or something.
I'm like, oh no, there's still something left.
So we're driving, and I'm like, when I get the feeling, it's such a horrible feeling because it's not about willpower.
It's not about thinking of something.
I'm like, dude, it's gonna fucking happen.
This is the day that I just piss myself.
It's gonna, but thank you, dude, I gave a custom tag.
It was $78.
For the trip, I gave him a $50 tip.
I go, dude, thank you, bro.
You're a fucking hero.
This guy fucking saved my fucking ass.
And because someone else, I'm like, they'd be like, hey, dude, fuck off with it.
Like, or, or don't do this in my car, right?
Dude, I'm like, it's happening.
I go, give me a cup.
He's like, oh, do you have to pee?
I go, obviously, but I, dude, he made it, but I couldn't, dude, I fucking a 30 minute drive there, I couldn't fucking make it.
din thomas
That's crazy, it's scary, but as you get older, it's hard to hold it, man.
matt serra
But no, I think it's my ulcerative colitis has to do with that, it has something to do with that, but because that sounds crazy.
The dude, I, it's, it was, I. I've had it before, but like, I don't know if I told you, I maybe said it the last time here.
We were going to an aquarium out east with my family.
And it was one of those things, just like this.
And I get out of the car, and then we're looking, and I'm like, I can, and then I see there's like a line out the door.
I go, I'm not making this.
There's no way I'm making this.
So I go, honey, she goes, okay, go, go.
So I fucking, there's like a post office with those bushes that come straight up, like they're all tight together.
I fucking smoosh myself through.
The second I take my dick out, fucking bees come around my fucking head.
unidentified
I go, dude, I'm gonna get stuck.
matt serra
Because I'm not going out with my dick and fucking.
I didn't get stung, but I definitely had some on the front of my pants.
What are you going to do?
unidentified
Sometimes.
matt serra
I'm a very clean person.
john rallo
So to block out, you're not related to that?
joe rogan
Imagine being a woman in that situation.
din thomas
Ooh, man.
Right?
matt serra
There's no hardening it.
unidentified
Oh, hardening it.
matt serra
But, yeah, man.
These are the things you got to deal with when you get older a little bit.
I am getting my stem cells.
That's hopefully going to help.
joe rogan
What is the cause of ulcerative colitis?
What do they say causes it?
unidentified
Ah.
matt serra
I don't know.
I mean, I think some of it's my history.
I know one of my brothers had Crohn's, which is even worse.
Crohn's disease to level up.
unidentified
Yeah, man.
matt serra
Like, so I know my grandfather, when he was getting older, though, he had some shit.
joe rogan
Have you ever, like, swore off pasta?
unidentified
Well.
joe rogan
Just, like, taken months off just gluten-free.
I went, like, try to go carnivore?
matt serra
I did go gluten-free for a while, you know?
But, you know, even espresso.
I go, come on, man.
I got to have it.
joe rogan
Listen, I know.
I'm with you.
Every time I go to New York, I have to eat Italian food.
unidentified
Food.
joe rogan
Like, I'm looking forward to the Jersey shows so I can get some fucking New Jersey Italian food.
matt serra
I gotta take you to Taglios, bro.
You'll love this pizza.
unidentified
Let's go.
matt serra
You loved it.
unidentified
Oh, yeah.
I'm trying to come up next week, sure.
joe rogan
I'm sure I love it.
I'm sure I love pizza.
matt serra
No, no, just their fucking, no bleach, no probate.
Don't get me started with this.
But it's so, because I could eat it.
I could eat three slices on the way to my school and I'm not fucked up.
I could train and it's fucking, if I did that with a fucking regular slice of pizza, dude, I want to take a nap.
You know?
So it's, even my wife now orders the zero, zero flour, the From a pool of.
unidentified
Yeah.
matt serra
We get that shit.
She makes the pizza.
She makes fresh bread.
I feel like I got a Game of Thrones.
I'm dipping it in my soup.
joe rogan
That place where I took you to.
The Vegas place I took you to.
Gaetano's.
unidentified
Yeah.
joe rogan
All Italian flour.
All handmade pasta.
matt serra
Yeah, tonight we want to go to a place.
unidentified
Hey, let's go.
matt serra
I don't want to fucking do that to him.
unidentified
I don't want to fucking do that to him.
matt serra
Get to my fucking hotel.
joe rogan
But I was wondering if you did that, if it would have an effect.
matt serra
You know who cured his fucking ulcerative colitis?
George St. Pierre.
joe rogan
How did he do that?
matt serra
He said it's one of the reasons why he was stopping fighting.
unidentified
Fasting.
Really?
Yeah.
Interesting.
Fasting did that?
matt serra
That's what he told me.
john rallo
That's what he said.
I mean, but he does some hardcore, like, week long shit.
joe rogan
Yeah, he does, like, at least three, right?
unidentified
Three days.
din thomas
Nah, I can't do that.
joe rogan
I do 24 hours sometimes.
Yeah, but that's not that hard.
din thomas
Yeah, I mean, you stay busy enough.
john rallo
I think if you're busy, definitely.
joe rogan
You can just eat a big dinner.
unidentified
What a cherry tola.
joe rogan
Don't eat to the next dinner.
What is that?
matt serra
Cherry tola.
Oh, dude.
You know, you got him all the time.
unidentified
It all started from here.
matt serra
It all started from here.
But it is tasty.
joe rogan
Ooh, that's delicious.
unidentified
Yeah.
Ooh, that's good.
I know.
matt serra
I love it.
joe rogan
They're illegal in California.
matt serra
They are.
john rallo
Isn't everything?
joe rogan
You can't have flavored nicotine in California.
matt serra
What the fuck is that about?
din thomas
Is that like.
joe rogan
Because they just want to be able to tell you what to do.
Yeah.
That's a symptom of the.
You can go buy whiskey.
You can go to CVS and buy a jug of whiskey and drink yourself to death.
din thomas
But you can't buy flavored.
joe rogan
But you cannot buy flavored Zins.
You can't buy flavored.
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joe rogan
It makes zero sense.
din thomas
That makes zero sense.
joe rogan
You can't buy flavored vapes because they don't want to encourage kids.
Because you know how kids are.
They just want flavored Zens.
john rallo
I hear him talking about it all the time.
joe rogan
He's so fucking stupid.
unidentified
It's so stupid.
joe rogan
California is just so dumb.
They just want to tell you what to do.
It's a bunch of nannies.
john rallo
And if it's legal, they're going to tax it and regulate it.
unidentified
Exactly.
joe rogan
And everybody's moving out.
People just flee in that state like it's on fire.
din thomas
Everybody's coming here.
joe rogan
They're coming here.
They're going to Tennessee.
They're going to Florida.
They're going anywhere.
They could just be left the fuck alone.
john rallo
I think hell is where it wants to be.
matt serra
New York's not much better.
john rallo
No, well, hell, everybody's running out of there too.
matt serra
Not me.
I'm there for life.
I'm not going nowhere.
joe rogan
Yeah, it just sucks when the government gets goofy and you're like, what are you talking about?
Now that Kathy Holtschel lady is saying, get those people to come back to New York.
john rallo
Remember before?
All of you moved to Florida.
joe rogan
Yeah, that's what she said.
Which is a crazy thing to say.
That's a crazy thing to say.
It's so delusional.
But that lady's nuts anyway.
unidentified
Yeah.
joe rogan
She said the vaccines were a gift from God.
She talks crazy.
It's like people were so tired of Cuomo.
They're like, who else?
Okay, fine.
You run it.
You know what I mean?
It's like, how would that lady become your best choice?
That seems nuts.
matt serra
That makes me concerned that Stephen Corbett is doing the next fucking Lord of the Rings.
unidentified
Who is?
matt serra
He's like, he's writing the movie or something, him and his son.
unidentified
Really?
matt serra
And I know he's a fucking little bit of a.
joe rogan
Wait a minute.
Colbert?
unidentified
Yeah.
joe rogan
Colbert Report?
unidentified
Oh, man.
matt serra
Peter Jackson was making an announcement.
I know all the nerd news.
Peter Jackson was making an announcement about a new Lord of the Rings movie he's coming out with, and I'm partnering up with.
Well, let me show you.
And all of a sudden, they go to Stephen Corbett reading a Lord of the Rings book.
Oh, hey!
You know, they planned it.
And he's like, Yeah, I took it from this part of the thing.
john rallo
Is she going to have any dangers?
They shit all over.
matt serra
Poor Tolkien.
They shit all over his thing.
That Rings of Power is just a fucking mess.
Piece of shit.
unidentified
What is that?
matt serra
Orcs Rings of Power.
din thomas
Orcs were like, yeah, yeah, they were like, yeah, they had feelings, and they were like, they were like kids, they were like little kids.
It was weird.
What, yeah, it was what is this?
matt serra
Rings of Power, the Amazon series of The Lord of the Rings, is the biggest pile of shit next to the Acolyte.
It's everybody's on our childhood or shit on they on the major franchises that had some really good lore, like everything from Star Trek, what the fuck they did, everything Disney touched, they fucked.
john rallo
Up Marvel, everything.
joe rogan
Bro, how do you fuck up orcs?
din thomas
No, no, they weren't terrifying.
Yeah, no, they weren't terrifying either.
john rallo
How do you fuck up the Hulk?
Explain it.
matt serra
They make him smart and they made him a pussy.
Donald's kicked his ass and he never got his balls back if the Donald's kicked his ass.
unidentified
Right?
joe rogan
Yeah, that's an orc, bro.
unidentified
Yeah, now watch him move.
joe rogan
The dude with the helmet.
Click on that dude with the helmet.
john rallo
They look like they have feelings.
matt serra
Jesus Christ.
Oh, yeah, they make him go ahead and discriminate against.
Oh, no, it's fucking brutal.
joe rogan
That guy's got feelings for real?
din thomas
Yeah, he had feelings and yeah.
joe rogan
No, they're not supposed to have feelings.
matt serra
There's no more good stuff.
joe rogan
They're supposed to be like demons.
matt serra
Nope.
Nah, now they're just.
joe rogan
That one in the lower right hand corner with the fucking helmet on, look at that.
Oh, fuck, yeah.
matt serra
You don't know his backstory.
He might be a good guy.
They were like, no father, no father.
joe rogan
I don't want him to be a good guy.
unidentified
Me neither.
joe rogan
I want orcs, old school.
unidentified
Like from the movies.
matt serra
That's why that Night of the Seven Kings was refreshing, because it had no bullshit in it.
Hey, look, there you go.
john rallo
Wow, Jesus.
joe rogan
Well, give the guy a chance.
Who knows?
Maybe it's awesome.
jamie vernon
I'm going to say he had a cameo in Desolation of Smog.
joe rogan
Oh, no shit.
matt serra
They did an animated series that, uh, The War of Rohan, which was a piece of shit.
They made a girl boss in there.
She had, they had all the cool dudes get killed, and the girl's killing everybody, and she knows everything.
And they took it from like one, like, she was in like one paragraph and fucking in the thing, and they just gave her this big backstory of being a badass.
john rallo
It's like the Fantastic Four with the female Silver Surfer.
She appeared in maybe one or two comics.
This bitch is not a main character, no shape, no how, but boom.
joe rogan
Is the real Silver Surfer in it too?
unidentified
No.
No.
joe rogan
They seem silly.
unidentified
Exactly.
joe rogan
So there was a female Silver Surfer for a while?
john rallo
No.
Like, very sporadically.
No, but they were.
It was actually his.
Now you're getting on my nerd side.
unidentified
Yep.
john rallo
It was his wife before he was the Silver Surfer, like Shalabal, it was his chick.
matt serra
And the Russo brothers, they've been hitting it out of the park with every Marvel movie they did.
So they're doing Doomsday, which is basically going to be.
They're putting out Endgame again in the theaters.
And it's going to be directly.
It's going to take place directly.
john rallo
Awesome.
unidentified
Good.
john rallo
Well, I heard Ruin King Thor's coming.
I'm fucking ready for that.
matt serra
They did Winter Soldier.
john rallo
It's like the highest level of Thor.
unidentified
Oh, that's fucking cool.
matt serra
Let's keep going.
joe rogan
Oh, my God, you're such a nerd.
unidentified
It's fucking great.
matt serra
I don't know what this is coming out of.
unidentified
The highest level of Thor.
joe rogan
The highest level of Thor is such a crazy thing for a Grown ass man, big ass, fucking grown ass man, fucking ass level of Thor.
matt serra
That stuff's my WWE.
I love that shit because I grew up on the comics.
joe rogan
I love comics.
matt serra
They ruined those fucking movies, man.
It's fucking Thor, Ragnarok was fun, dude, Love and Thunder, horrible.
Oh, here's my friend, the rock monster, and here's his life mate, Bob.
What the fuck?
Why though?
What does that have to do with anything?
joe rogan
You got to give credit to the DC movies then because they never ruined Batman.
The most recent Batmans, at least, the Christian Bale Batmans, and then the new one, Robert Pattinson.
din thomas
It was still pretty dark and like.
joe rogan
Dark?
unidentified
Yeah.
Just like.
Yeah.
joe rogan
There was like, there's no bullshit in them.
There's no.
It wasn't.
john rallo
They fucking murdered that Thor that killed him.
And Gore, like, Christian Bale played Gore in that movie.
In the comics, that is the fucking best Thor story.
Gore's.
Like, first off, he didn't love the Mike he did on the movie, but he's killing all the other gods.
Like, I mean, Thor, his fucking dad, had to get a whole crew to come and fight this guy, and none of that.
Really was showed in the movie at all.
matt serra
It was horrible, Love and Thunder.
din thomas
I didn't know he was such a nerd.
john rallo
Oh, for comics.
unidentified
Oh, wow.
din thomas
I didn't know.
unidentified
Why didn't they do it like the fucking.
din thomas
Oh, wow.
john rallo
Look at him there.
See if you can look in the comics, like the comic version of Gore, because it's not even close.
joe rogan
So this is already out.
john rallo
He turned into this.
unidentified
This is already out.
matt serra
That was shit, Love and Thunder.
joe rogan
Damn, look at his.
Click on that with your cursor's on.
What the fuck, man?
john rallo
Yeah, they wrecked.
He was a perfect guy to play it, but they just ruined the character.
matt serra
Yeah, you can't blame Christian.
And bail.
joe rogan
Yeah, they should have done it just by the comic books.
You shouldn't be able to rewrite history like that and fuck it up.
john rallo
See if it's Gore the God Butcher.
Yeah, that's Ruin King Thor, just in case you were wondering.
unidentified
Jesus Christ.
How many Thor's are there?
joe rogan
How many Thor's are there?
john rallo
Oh, it's the same guy.
It's just levels.
joe rogan
Oh.
unidentified
Explain that.
john rallo
Uh oh.
unidentified
Whoa.
joe rogan
That's from the movie.
Damn, he looks good in the movie.
That's pretty dope.
jamie vernon
It's probably also just a rendering because I don't know that they've shown stuff like this.
joe rogan
When does the movie come out?
jamie vernon
Later this year.
matt serra
Doomsday comes out this year, and so does Dune Messiah.
It's a good year to be a nerd.
joe rogan
Yeah.
Well, the nerd movies sell the best if you think about it.
Comics movies are like 100% guaranteed.
john rallo
Harry Potter.
unidentified
Yeah.
joe rogan
The Harry Potter show that they're doing on HBO, I've read, find out if this is true.
Put this into perplexity, our wonderful AI sponsor.
It cost them $100 million each episode.
matt serra
What?
The new one that's coming out?
joe rogan
This new one, apparently, it's so highly produced.
It's like they've risked a billion dollars in this series.
It's supposed to be insane.
din thomas
So Harry Potter?
joe rogan
But it's Harry Potter.
I feel like you can't miss with Harry Potter.
Except with trans people.
matt serra
There's a lot of controversy with the casting because they did a race swap with Snape.
unidentified
Snape?
matt serra
He's like a guy that's.
joe rogan
$100 million per episode.
matt serra
That's going to be a rough one, man, because his backstory is not good.
joe rogan
It hasn't been confirmed yet.
Several recent reports claim the budget is around $100 million per episode.
unidentified
Jesus.
joe rogan
Seven planned seasons, eight episodes per season, 56 episodes total.
That per episode figure implies an estimated total production cost of about.
$5.6 billion.
matt serra
It looks like it's done well.
I saw the suspicions.
How are you?
joe rogan
You have to.
If you're going to do a Harry Potter, you've got to do it to the maximum.
din thomas
I've got to get into Harry Potter because there's not a lot of black characters in it, but there is one.
joe rogan
There's one now.
john rallo
Yeah, they switched into red.
din thomas
But you know what, Harry Potter?
Before that, the one character, guess what his name is?
matt serra
I'm not guessing anything.
din thomas
Dean Thomas.
joe rogan
Shut the fuck up.
din thomas
I swear to God.
unidentified
Really?
din thomas
I swear to God.
unidentified
Really?
din thomas
I want my royalties for this.
I want my royalties.
unidentified
How is it spelled?
john rallo
You got another guy in there.
joe rogan
It's definitely not spelled the same way.
din thomas
It is spelled the real way, but.
Yeah.
joe rogan
There it is.
din thomas
There it is.
joe rogan
Dean Thomas, my favorite side character.
din thomas
Yep.
Not many blacks.
john rallo
Get out of here.
din thomas
The one is Dean Thomas.
joe rogan
So why is it controversial?
Because they race swapped each other?
matt serra
Because his backstory was, I think he was in love with.
Harry's mom, and then they fucking.
I think they all beat him up and stuff.
It's just not a good look.
unidentified
Mmm.
matt serra
You know what I mean?
Because he plays.
john rallo
Black Snape.
joe rogan
So you're implying that they beat him up because he's black?
matt serra
Well, I'm not saying that.
joe rogan
I'm just saying it's not.
matt serra
I'm saying to make him like a character that's.
I don't know.
unidentified
Why does he look like Meek Mill?
matt serra
It could be interesting.
john rallo
Why does he look like Meek Mill?
joe rogan
If they just follow the books, it's going to be amazing.
matt serra
Hey, I. You know, I missed the book.
I was a little bit older.
My kids loved Harry Potter.
You know, people, adults, read the books and shit.
joe rogan
I think it's the most successful books of all time.
unidentified
Is it?
Yeah.
joe rogan
I think so.
I think it's like right up there with the Bible.
unidentified
Damn.
matt serra
I feel bad for that lady.
joe rogan
Find that out.
Put that into perspective.
matt serra
She got crucified for just.
joe rogan
Compare the sales of Harry Potter to the.
john rallo
She snuck their guns, though.
joe rogan
She got crucified for being logical and reasonable and telling the truth and trying to protect women.
And all these fucking people, these actors are still saying she said problematic things.
I want to hold them down.
Say, tell me what she said that's problematic.
din thomas
Yeah, that was a bit unfair to her.
unidentified
I'll just go to it.
joe rogan
There was an article written about this one actor that did it where it said he is more concerned with being on the right side of Hollywood than the right side of history.
And that's accurate.
unidentified
Yeah.
joe rogan
Because these people all don't want to offend these dorks in Hollywood that are out of their fucking minds.
Enormously commercially, what does that mean?
Enormously commercially successful, but the Bible has sold far more copies overall.
Harry Potter series has sold over 500 million copies.
Estimated for the Bible is around 5 to 6 billion copies.
How many copies of the Quran have been printed?
jamie vernon
There's also multiple versions of the Bible, and there's seven books of Harry Potter.
So, yeah, there's not seven, you know.
joe rogan
Right, right, right, right.
jamie vernon
You could break it down.
So, there's 45 books in the Bible, and those are all sold.
joe rogan
Yeah, but most people buy it as the Bible.
jamie vernon
Correct, I know, but there's also the King James Bible, there's the New Testament Bible.
joe rogan
And there's the Old Testament, and yeah.
So, by fewer copies, Harry Potter book sales are estimated to have generated about $7.7 billion in revenue.
jamie vernon
There's not a Harry Potter in every hotel room in the country either.
joe rogan
That's true.
That's a good point.
That's a good point.
Yeah, they keep that Bible in that hotel room just in case.
unidentified
Right?
joe rogan
That's a weird thing, right?
din thomas
Yeah, why do they do that?
joe rogan
I think someone donated it.
Like, there was a Bill Hicks joke he did about it back in the day.
Quake Doom Deserve Tanks 00:05:55
unidentified
I forget.
joe rogan
There was a name on the Bible.
Like, it was a da da da Bible.
Like, one family donated Bibles to every hotel room.
john rallo
The Gideon Bible?
joe rogan
I think that's it.
unidentified
Is that it?
john rallo
Might be.
I mean, I might be one of the names.
joe rogan
The Gideon family.
I think that was part of the joke.
Who the fuck are the Gideons?
matt serra
I was so depressed when I got here.
I brought my MetaQuest.
And I realized I brought two right controllers.
unidentified
I'm like, no!
matt serra
I had my headset on.
unidentified
I'm like, no, no, no, no!
matt serra
I'm playing a game now, a new game.
joe rogan
What's the game?
matt serra
Jamie, get ready for this.
Forefront.
16 on 16.
There's tanks, there's fucking choppers.
F O R E front.
unidentified
It is.
matt serra
Forget about POP 1, forget about contractors.
I know I hyped them up on here before.
This fucking game is just pure adrenaline.
Okay, I just wanted to state that.
I just wanted to get that out.
Joe, I'm telling you, you used to like the Quake shit.
joe rogan
Yeah, I want to see what it looks like.
Show me what it looks like.
matt serra
Forefront is so good.
unidentified
Here it is.
joe rogan
This is it.
matt serra
16 on 16.
Yeah, that's, but where's the gameplay?
This is the, you have to, you have to, I love the sniping.
Oh, you give me my behemoth and I am fucking taking people out.
joe rogan
Did you just bring that dude back to life?
matt serra
Yeah, to get him a better refrigerator.
But it is so, look at the tanks.
But you're seeing this through your VR.
It is so much fun.
Me and my brother in law, Edwin, we go on this motherfucker and we take souls.
joe rogan
You can get on a bike?
matt serra
You could do the four wheeler.
They have anti aircraft.
They have carriers, ACPs.
They have tanks.
joe rogan
How do you have a life outside of this?
matt serra
Well, I don't.
joe rogan
That's the problem with these things.
matt serra
Listen, I have a house of women, you know?
They're watching Love on the Spectrum and I'm playing this.
joe rogan
The problem is, these are too good.
They're too fun.
They could take your whole life away.
matt serra
No, I got a two hour time limit on my.
I play until my battery dies.
unidentified
That's good.
matt serra
You know?
joe rogan
Two hours, that's all those things last?
matt serra
Yeah, around that hour and a half.
Hey, after a day of making people more dangerous, do my podcast.
You know, I deserve it.
I deserve it.
joe rogan
No, you deserve it.
I'm just scared.
I'm scared.
I watch it.
I get scared.
matt serra
You should.
Hey, we could squat up.
No, Go on.
din thomas
You would get addicted to this.
joe rogan
No, no, no.
unidentified
Oh, yeah, yeah, yeah.
It's a real problem.
Yeah.
matt serra
It was like.
din thomas
I can't play these things.
matt serra
It was like a crackhead that couldn't get his light to work into the.
unidentified
I was like, ah!
No!
matt serra
Because that's how I like to kill time here when I'm fucking.
joe rogan
I made a decision a long time ago to never bring a gaming setup with me on the road.
I'm like, I can't do it.
unidentified
Yeah.
john rallo
Everywhere he goes, I start playing.
joe rogan
I'll be up to 4 o'clock in the morning.
I'll be like any first person shooter where you're running around a map and there's another dude on the map and you've got to get a rocket launcher and fuck him up.
din thomas
It starts to feel real.
joe rogan
It feels very real.
matt serra
Me last night, then I had to go back.
joe rogan
What is this one?
matt serra
Old fashioned.
unidentified
Oh, this is Doom.
joe rogan
Oh my God, it's Doom.
It's Doom in VR.
Oh no, this is a problem.
matt serra
I gotta find this.
joe rogan
But Doom is.
jamie vernon
I actually think this is the second player of Quake.
unidentified
Yeah.
joe rogan
Oh, it is Quake 1.
Yeah.
Oh, wow.
matt serra
You like the Quake stuff, though.
unidentified
Love it.
joe rogan
But I'm more of a Quake 3 Arena guy.
unidentified
Four.
joe rogan
Because Quake 3 Arena, like, show them some Quake 3 Arena.
They got the graphics down and then they had it set up where everything was online.
So, you didn't have to buy the new version of Quake and download it to your computer and run it and play it.
No, it's online.
So, you just log in and you're playing this streaming.
And it's fucking phenomenal.
matt serra
It's like that now.
With the meta, you just get updates.
joe rogan
Show some highlights of gameplay so you can see what it looks like.
jamie vernon
It's supposed to be the VR version.
unidentified
Here it is.
joe rogan
Oh, this is the VR version?
Oh, Jesus Christ.
Why are you showing me this?
Don't show me this.
jamie vernon
Because I was going to tell you next that the Apple Vision Pro is being updated now so we can play with higher.
Shut the fuck up.
joe rogan
Don't do this to me, dude.
Don't do this to me.
This is my game.
I fucking love this shit.
jamie vernon
As if you had a Starlink, I could do this on the plane.
joe rogan
Shut the fuck up.
Oh, you're just kidding.
I'm not doing this.
matt serra
Is it a battle royale?
You just got to kill everybody?
unidentified
Yeah.
joe rogan
The problem is, man, I start doing it, and if I start fucking people up, I can't stop.
It's fun, dude.
And I got pretty good at it.
Not like, you know, I could win tournaments good, but I got pretty good at it.
Like, I fucked these guys up.
The dudes in the studio, I fucked up.
matt serra
Oh, dude.
joe rogan
I would get real addicted to it.
din thomas
Yeah, that's a problem.
joe rogan
And then I start playing online and just going into rooms.
din thomas
Next thing you know, yep, your life is ruined.
joe rogan
Oh, this is one of my favorite maps.
You bounce out to this one and everybody can see you, so they're all sniping you when you try to come back.
When you get the god power, now you just fucking destroy everyone.
matt serra
You're right.
You're speaking my language.
joe rogan
Yeah, look at this, bro.
You got a rail gun, precision movement.
Boom, look at that.
That's the rail.
Look at the rail gun, bro.
You got to have super accuracy.
unidentified
Boom.
joe rogan
And while you got god power, you just have to hit him once.
unidentified
Boom.
joe rogan
Boom, look at that.
unidentified
Oh, shit.
joe rogan
This guy's got timing.
This is a dick.
This is like, I'm watching people smoke crack, and I'm going, oh, give me that pipe, baby.
Give me that pipe.
matt serra
It's so funny.
joe rogan
But if that was VR, I would never have a life.
I don't have a life.
I can't do it.
matt serra
It just helps balance me out.
joe rogan
You know what it's like, dude?
It's like jujitsu if you never got tired.
matt serra
Oh, yeah.
Well, that's why you have the battery life on it.
That thing gets tired.
joe rogan
Imagine jujitsu if you never got tired.
din thomas
You just do it all day.
joe rogan
If you never got hurt, you never got tired.
You would just be training constantly.
din thomas
Especially if you were fucking people up.
unidentified
Oh, my God.
din thomas
Always winning and tapping people out.
joe rogan
Once you got to a certain level.
I mean, this is to me straight crack.
matt serra
Oh, dude, that looks fun.
joe rogan
Come on, how fun is this game?
You're swapping weapons instantaneously, and you have certain weapons set to different keys.
Like, my railgun is always this middle of the wheel button.
I hit that motherfucker, I get the railgun, and you can adjust the speed of your mouse depending on the weapon.
Grow Younger Guys Hang 00:02:51
matt serra
Do you hear the other players?
Do they complain when you use a certain weapon?
joe rogan
I don't know if they use that with this.
I never did.
I don't.
When you chat with Quake, you would have.
To pull the menu down and chat.
If you have a bunch of people talking while you're playing, it's going to ruin your game experience.
matt serra
Yeah, sometimes with this, with the forefront.
joe rogan
I don't want anybody talking shit.
I just want to kill you.
matt serra
They're like, Good job.
Yeah, good job, Unk.
They call me Unk.
Good job, Unk.
You had to use a shotgun, pussy.
I'm like, You know, I try to be mature.
I'm like, You're dead, you little fuck.
unidentified
You're dead.
matt serra
You should use a shotgun, cocksucker.
Yeah, they complain when I kill them.
They're like, What are you, 30?
unidentified
You're playing a game?
matt serra
I'm like, Well, I'm actually 50.
Thank you, kid.
I'll take 30.
joe rogan
I'm like, well, I remember when I was in high school, I found out Madonna was 26.
I was like, oh, she's old.
matt serra
Dude, I remember getting ready for a fight at 35.
I was getting ready for Trigg, and I had Gian Vellante there.
Now he's older than this now.
He's like, dude, how does it feel to be 35?
I go, dude, fuck you.
I'm still fighting.
unidentified
Fuck you.
matt serra
You know, I bring that up to him now.
He's like 40 now.
I say, you caught up to me a little, you know?
joe rogan
Yeah, man.
It's weird.
We're all dying.
unidentified
I know.
joe rogan
I mean, I think about it.
unidentified
We don't have much time left.
joe rogan
I'm 58.
matt serra
What are you, Johnny?
unidentified
57.
joe rogan
Damn.
matt serra
Oh, you guys could have worked in high school together.
You're the class above them.
I'm 51.
Young man!
din thomas
I'm still only 49.
matt serra
You're full of shit.
din thomas
I'm 49.
joe rogan
Keeping it together.
unidentified
Yeah.
All right.
joe rogan
I like it.
matt serra
I thought you would be like a Brazilian.
Jodrigo Gracie used to lie about his fucking age like a chick.
Dude, you're my age.
What does he say fucking 29 still?
unidentified
What are you talking about?
joe rogan
No one knows how old Yoel is.
matt serra
Yeah, I bet.
john rallo
He's probably older.
unidentified
I know.
john rallo
He might be older.
matt serra
It does feel weird when you say 51.
Like when I say 51, I'm like, well, 50s.
joe rogan
And I'm all when you're younger, you never really picture you'll be at me, too.
I'm almost 60.
john rallo
I mean, when we were growing up, though, 60 was broken down.
din thomas
Yeah, it's a big difference.
joe rogan
Shout out to Ways to Well, yeah, right?
john rallo
Yeah, life med for me at home.
din thomas
Ways to Well, you look at you hang out with younger guys because I hang out with all younger guys.
john rallo
You're in the gym, you're with younger people, yeah.
joe rogan
I'm always with younger comics, unless it's Ron White, right?
matt serra
It's those worlds.
And I bet you, when you hang out with Ron White, it doesn't feel like you're hanging out with an old man, no, it's like me and Longo, he's awesome, he's a gem, yeah.
unidentified
Longo's 67.
joe rogan
He'll just say, he'll.
Throw away something that'll just be so funny where I'll be dying laughing.
He's a naturally funny dude and just a sweetheart of a guy.
matt serra
He was good in tires, also.
joe rogan
Oh, he's great.
matt serra
I like that show.
joe rogan
Yeah, well, you know, he's homies with Shane.
Shane's always there, too.
Tonight, it's but that's again like young people that are doing the thing we all love to do, having fun, just just like a jujitsu gym, just like anything else.
You know, I mean, this idea that you have to one day grow up like that's not true.
Benefit Footwork Think Teabag 00:03:46
joe rogan
I'm here to tell you, it's not true.
You should grow up in some ways, like be a good dad, take care of your taxes, you know, that kind of stuff.
Well, you're looking at me after that.
After that, shut up, shut up, have fun.
matt serra
Oh, that's that's me in a nutshell.
joe rogan
Yeah, there's nothing wrong with you playing those games, just don't tell those kids how old you are.
matt serra
I know, dude.
You call me an old man, you're like, this guy sounds.
unidentified
30.
matt serra
I'm like, you little fuck.
joe rogan
Yeah.
matt serra
But it's.
God knows.
joe rogan
Don't have a heart attack for real.
john rallo
You have to take any shit breaks in the middle of your VR experiences?
unidentified
No, but.
You wear a diaper?
matt serra
I'm not above teabagging those little bastards when they get wise.
I'm squatting down on them in my fucking thing in my VR.
joe rogan
You teabag a guy after you kill him?
matt serra
They get mouthy.
I will teabag some of them.
I don't give a fuck.
You don't outgrow that.
joe rogan
So you actually squat physically and it does it?
matt serra
Maybe.
My wife's like, what are you doing?
unidentified
I'm like, give me a moment.
He deserves it, honey.
Fuck you.
joe rogan
Crazy.
unidentified
Listen.
joe rogan
That's crazy.
Sometimes it's different than a video control.
unidentified
You're actually squatting.
joe rogan
That's crazy.
matt serra
I can get my squats in.
joe rogan
Have you seen those multi directional treadmills that you're doing those games on now?
matt serra
Yeah, but I'm not running.
My knees aren't good for that.
joe rogan
So there's a treadmill, like a circle, and it goes in any direction, omnidirectional, I think they call it.
And you're strapped in with a harness that you can shoot from.
And you just move.
matt serra
You move like you're running.
joe rogan
You would be in insane shape.
john rallo
There would be some people in better shape.
unidentified
Oh, do you?
joe rogan
You would think how good that would be for your footwork?
Like, if you could have a VR, there's a good VR boxing game.
And one of the things that I noticed when I was playing it was my feet were hurting.
Because I was doing it on concrete, on cement, and I was wearing like Converse All Stars, and you just push it off your feet all the time.
I was like, oh my God, I'm getting a footwork out.
This is crazy.
Like, it was gassing me out.
Because you really see the guy, and he pops you, everything goes white.
Like, you got stunned, like, boom, oh shit.
din thomas
And you got to get them back, right?
joe rogan
And you're moving, you're moving around stuff.
There's a bunch of them.
matt serra
I got to get into those.
din thomas
It is tiring.
unidentified
I've done that before.
joe rogan
What's stupid is.
When you hold the gloves, like if you hold the hand things like this, it shows the gloves like this.
So when you're punching, it looks like you're punching them wrong.
So it fucks your head up.
unidentified
Yeah.
joe rogan
You know what I mean?
So when you're twisting to punch, it's showing this and it fucks your head up.
matt serra
Just give it a fucking wing chung punch.
unidentified
Yeah.
Right.
joe rogan
So like if you punch like this, it'll look like the knuckles are coming up, but you're doing this.
unidentified
Oh, yeah.
john rallo
Then you figure, how can't they get that?
joe rogan
They should get that right.
It should be where your hands are positioned.
unidentified
Exactly.
joe rogan
So if you hold it like that, it should be the gloves are like that.
And then you turn it like that and it looks.
So that way, it doesn't fuck with your head while you're punching that thing because it's weird.
din thomas
Clearly, the developers weren't bots.
john rallo
They just had programmers and fixed that.
joe rogan
But I think there's some real benefit in it for real because, first of all, it's harder to hit air than it is to hit a thing, right?
So you get a little workout doing that.
The things don't weigh much, but you'd always put like a little wrist weight or something like that, or someone could make a controller that has lead in it that has a couple of pounds for each one.
You would get good endurance doing it, and you're doing a lot of footwork drills because, like, you're Lomachenko and it's definitely moving around.
john rallo
It's good for you.
joe rogan
And it's also showing you how to move away from things and counter.
There's a bunch of different things that you could actually apply.
It's better than real shadow boxing.
din thomas
Yeah, I was about to say, it's like intense, extreme shadow boxing.
unidentified
Yes, yes.
joe rogan
It's like you're really visualizing because there's an actual thing in front of you.
I think there's benefit to it.
I think it would help you.
john rallo
I mean, 100% I think there'd be benefit.
joe rogan
Yeah, and you're not getting hit, right?
So it's timing work.
john rallo
You're not getting the CTE along with it.
joe rogan
It's not going to replace sparring.
You're always going to need to spar.
But it'll give you a lot of like neural pathways to different movements that you'll have like programmed in you in a fight with zero consequences.
Punisher Dolph Lundgren Played 00:04:26
unidentified
Right.
joe rogan
That's great.
Yeah.
You can't do it with jujitsu, unfortunately.
But you probably could with a robot one day.
unidentified
Right.
joe rogan
Like you get a good AI robot, you know, that's not going to spaz out on you and rip your fucking head off.
din thomas
I would never trust that, right?
joe rogan
Imagine the AI got mad if you just tapped so many times.
din thomas
I'm going to show you my real strength.
unidentified
Yeah.
joe rogan
Dean, in this next role, I'm not going to go easy.
unidentified
What?
joe rogan
What do you mean?
matt serra
I'm watching.
You know what?
Fuck your eyes out.
unidentified
You got me.
You fucking heel hook.
matt serra
Only because they look human, the Cyclons.
I'm watching the Battlestar Galactica.
I started watching it.
unidentified
It's great.
matt serra
It's really good.
It's really good.
din thomas
I thought, what is that on?
matt serra
I'm almost on the first season.
joe rogan
It was on the Sci Fi Network years ago.
It was an unappreciated series.
It's one of the greatest sci fi series of all time.
The reboot of Battlestar Galactica.
And I was super skeptical.
Because Battlestar Galactica, when I was a kid, I loved it.
Yeah, everybody.
unidentified
It was a big.
joe rogan
Super campy.
It was a very campy.
All of a sudden, Skywalker was a girl now.
It's like, what?
Or Starbucks.
Starbucks was a girl now.
Katie's amazing.
matt serra
She's great now.
joe rogan
That fucking series rules, dude.
unidentified
It's great.
joe rogan
It's great writing.
matt serra
I'm on the first season.
I'm almost done with it now.
I got like an episode left.
joe rogan
Way better than the original series.
matt serra
It's really fucking good.
joe rogan
It's phenomenal.
It's really good.
And the Cylons scare the fuck out of you.
And they're hot chicks.
unidentified
Yeah.
It's awesome.
joe rogan
It's ruined your life.
unidentified
Oh, my favorite.
joe rogan
Oh, it's good.
Yeah, everybody's favorite.
It's great.
It's a great.
matt serra
Fucking series, John James Elmos or whatever.
James Elmos, yeah, he was great in that.
unidentified
Is he alive?
Did he die?
I don't know.
joe rogan
James Almos, is he alive?
unidentified
Is it now?
matt serra
There's no way.
joe rogan
Edward James, Edward James Almos, that's right.
matt serra
He was great in that.
He's great.
joe rogan
Yeah, Mexican prison movie.
Remember that?
matt serra
Yeah, what was that?
Blood in, blood out.
joe rogan
You got in trouble with that.
They wanted to kill him because they made it out like these dudes were fucking each other in jail.
din thomas
Oh, they're not?
unidentified
Yeah.
joe rogan
Even if they are.
unidentified
Yeah.
matt serra
Don't talk about it.
joe rogan
Yeah.
Snitches get stitches.
unidentified
Yeah, man.
joe rogan
I think people died because of that movie.
unidentified
No.
joe rogan
Yeah, I think people were killed.
john rallo
I heard something about that.
unidentified
Yeah.
matt serra
Makes you not want to go to jail.
joe rogan
Well, I just don't think they let these dudes know how they were going to portray him in jail.
And I think, you know.
din thomas
Yeah, they weren't happy about that.
joe rogan
Severe disrespect.
Is he alive?
Edward James Olmos?
unidentified
Yes.
matt serra
Oh, good for him.
unidentified
79.
joe rogan
He's phenomenal on that show.
Phenomenal on that show.
unidentified
Yeah.
joe rogan
It's a great show.
matt serra
Yeah, yeah.
I think I heard you talking about it, and I put it in there.
I got it on Amazon Prime.
I bought the first season.
It's fucking good.
joe rogan
There's another Amazon series.
What's it called?
Not The Eclipse.
The Expanse.
matt serra
Yes, yes.
joe rogan
That's supposed to be phenomenal.
matt serra
I watched a bunch of those.
I got to get back into that.
Sometimes it gets a little chatty.
joe rogan
I watched a couple of them.
I was like, I see this could be really good, but my wife wasn't into it, so we abandoned it.
unidentified
It's good.
I keep hearing.
I keep hearing.
joe rogan
I hear once you get past the first few episodes, it really picks up.
matt serra
Yeah, it's good.
It has Thomas Jane.
What's Thomas Jane?
john rallo
Oh, yeah, he played the Punisher.
matt serra
Yeah, he's in at least the first season.
It's good.
The guy who's the lead guy reminds me of Jon Snow.
unidentified
Really?
matt serra
He looks like a skinnier Jon Snow.
joe rogan
John Bernthal played the Punisher, right?
unidentified
Yeah.
john rallo
There's a bunch of people who played him.
joe rogan
How many people played the Punisher?
john rallo
Well, I mean, the guy from Run.
joe rogan
Did Dolph Lundgren do it before?
matt serra
Yeah, that's back in the day.
john rallo
Way back in the day.
matt serra
Dolph Lundgren did?
john rallo
They had at least four or five of them.
joe rogan
They gave him fakes double, and it was obvious.
It was like literally, the makeup lady didn't even try.
She just smudged some face.
It's the worst looking face stubble you've ever seen in your fucking life.
See if you can find that.
Dolph Lundgren face stubble from The Punisher.
It's like you're looking at that and go, just leave him unshaven.
matt serra
Yeah, he was cool as him.
unidentified
There you go.
john rallo
There's the guy from Rome, Stevenson.
joe rogan
I know, but you can't see it in there.
Like a photo from the actual movie, it looked like, why does he have smudges all over his cheeks?
john rallo
Yeah, I like Barenthal the best.
matt serra
The new Spider Man movie, he's going to be in it.
unidentified
The Punisher.
joe rogan
The Punisher's supposed to be gigantic, though.
He's supposed to be like that dude that plays Reaper.
matt serra
I thought Ray Stevenson was a Reaper.
unidentified
Oh, Reacher.
joe rogan
Yeah, Adam Richmond.
He's supposed to be like Adam Richmond.
That's what the Punisher's supposed to be.
He's supposed to be a giant jack dude who kills everybody.
matt serra
And good for Reacher for smacking that guy around.
Smack Randleman Armpit Knock 00:06:21
john rallo
That guy deserved it.
unidentified
That guy deserved it.
matt serra
He looks like he's riding with his kids.
The guy got in his face, made him drop his bike, got in his face again.
He deserved the smack.
joe rogan
He pushed him off his bike.
unidentified
Yeah.
matt serra
What the hell?
That guy looked like a retard.
joe rogan
Well, he said he was drunk.
So the guy smelled like booze.
unidentified
I know shit.
Smack him up.
joe rogan
He was asking, they showed the cops' version of the video when they went to his house.
He's like, Could you run a toxicology on that guy?
Because I think he's drunk.
He smelled like liquor.
The guy tried to knock him up.
But you see that guy?
john rallo
What are you doing?
unidentified
Why are you pushing that guy?
john rallo
He's real lucky he had that camera on.
You know what I mean?
joe rogan
Oh, 100%.
Because if you only got to see him beating that guy up, that would have been a real fucking problem.
Because that guy denied it.
But he had a camera going on his chest pack.
Luckily.
You see that guy grabbing the bike and pushing him.
unidentified
Yeah.
john rallo
Got to put hands on him first.
joe rogan
In front of kids, man.
matt serra
So many people out there.
joe rogan
If you're on a bike and you fall and the bike falls in your leg, like you fucking idiot.
unidentified
Yeah.
joe rogan
You know, that's dangerous.
You break someone's fucking leg that way, you Trump fuck.
matt serra
100% warranted.
When I went to go see that Project Hail Mary the other day, dude, these motherfuckers, I got the second row and sure enough, the first row, like five teenagers, dude, they don't even, they have their phone and it's bright and you see it.
Like they don't give a fuck.
The lady, there's a couple next to me, older.
The lady comes out, she takes the thing out.
I'm like, I feel like saying, you should know better, lady.
What the fuck?
And the kids, I want to, a couple times I got up and then they put it down.
I'm like, I know I'm going to say something.
And if I get the wrong response, am I going to smack a 15 year old?
Am I going to smack, if I get a fuck you guy, what's going to happen?
Because I'm not totally normal.
I mean, you know what I mean?
I just don't want to, because there's right and there's wrong.
A whole generation has not been checked.
They're going to get smacked because they're valiant.
unidentified
100%.
matt serra
And I just see UFC fighter smacks 15 year old.
I'm like, no.
I just see that happening.
But anyway, I got out of there without nothing.
But it's just so annoying.
It's all annoying.
joe rogan
Kids are so addicted to their phones.
They can't put them down for five seconds.
matt serra
Just how it hurts.
unidentified
And who cares?
din thomas
Yeah, it's crazy.
joe rogan
In movie theater, they can't stop texting people.
unidentified
Yeah.
joe rogan
Because they're not enjoying anything.
Everything they're doing, they're getting distracted.
unidentified
Yeah.
Yeah.
Which is crazy.
matt serra
I feel like talking to their parents.
joe rogan
That's not going to help.
unidentified
You know?
No, you got to smack them.
joe rogan
Someone's got to smack them.
unidentified
Yeah.
Man.
I'll tell you.
john rallo
That happened.
Our generation, if you acted a fool, you got slapped.
joe rogan
Yeah, if you talk mouth in a movie theater, someone's going to get up.
You know, if you were loud in a movie theater, people would get up and, hey, shut the fuck up.
unidentified
Yeah.
joe rogan
Like, I've seen that happen many times in movie theaters.
unidentified
Yeah.
joe rogan
People almost get in fights.
unidentified
They don't do that no more.
matt serra
There's no repercussions, I think.
What did Mike Tyson say?
unidentified
What did he say?
matt serra
He said something like, a lot of people are getting used to talking shit without getting snacked or something.
john rallo
Until you get punched in the face.
matt serra
Something like that, yeah.
And it's just true.
Like, people just don't worry about anything.
joe rogan
You know, but there's also so many streamers that are doing these things online where they're provoking people on purpose that it's almost like normalizing.
unidentified
I hate that, yeah.
matt serra
I like when they get smacked, yeah.
john rallo
They think it's like they're creating content by harassing these people, fucking with old people, like just walking up to people in the store and yeah, doing to them.
I don't, I don't understand it.
matt serra
Tiki elbowed that kid in the face.
unidentified
Oh, yeah, you know what?
john rallo
Fuck that kid, he's starting with everybody.
I was, yeah, dude.
matt serra
I mean, that's, I mean, I looked at that, I'm like, that's warranted.
I mean, you're in my face, tell me you're gonna fuck me up, I could do this.
joe rogan
He said he's gonna fuck him up, and then he got.
Close to them, like you're gonna bump into them, yeah.
matt serra
But I mean, and you know what?
They don't even give a shit because they get clicks.
I don't think they give a shit.
din thomas
That's because that's because like they're getting hit by like regular people, except for the tiki case, but they're getting by regular people.
Like, I'm waiting for the opportunity to lay these for five on somebody's chin.
joe rogan
They'll be the first time they'll put somebody as charges, they'll press charges, they'll sue you.
I know, also, you know, if you knock somebody out and they fall and hit their head and die, that's a fucking problem, and that's a real possibility, yeah.
din thomas
Body shots.
john rallo
Strangle him and lay him down.
din thomas
That liver shot.
joe rogan
Right, but you know you're not going to throw a body shot.
Oh, yeah, it's awesome.
This dummy's gotten a fight with the former UFC heavyweight champion, the current bare knuckle boxing champion in the world.
You dumbasses.
john rallo
That was hilarious when I saw this.
joe rogan
Look, he's just teeing off on dudes.
Imagine you getting Andre Orlovsky's face.
How the fuck do you not know who he is, first of all?
din thomas
Again, my point is exactly how do you not know who Andre Orlovsky is?
matt serra
And then they got their bodyguards next to them to try to.
joe rogan
Shout out to that dude.
Oh, Alasky's a stud.
unidentified
Yeah.
joe rogan
I mean, he's still getting after it, and he still seems to enjoy it.
din thomas
Like almost 30 years into games.
matt serra
And he's the guy that you kind of wrote off his chin a while ago, and then all of a sudden it's like, I never saw a chin make a comeback.
joe rogan
Oh, incredible comeback.
john rallo
Dude, Freddie Roach said he thought he could really be a contender if he just had a proper chin.
He said his boxing skills were there.
joe rogan
Well, I mean, there were so many times where he got clipped.
Like the Fedor one was the wildest.
He was winning that fight.
john rallo
Yeah, he was.
joe rogan
Dude, he was good.
unidentified
Yeah, he was.
john rallo
He was in the middle of a jumping knee.
unidentified
Yeah, he was.
joe rogan
Big mistake.
matt serra
Laces out moment right there.
joe rogan
Fedor, that motherfucker just found ways to win.
He just found ways to win, man.
unidentified
Sure did.
din thomas
Remember when Randleman.
Was it Randleman?
unidentified
I was like, he still beat him, yeah.
joe rogan
He still fixed him on his neck.
unidentified
Yeah.
john rallo
Then he camoured him.
unidentified
Yeah, like.
john rallo
It ain't easy to camoure a gorilla.
You know what I'm saying?
joe rogan
Randleman was so explosive.
unidentified
It was so fast.
john rallo
That guy was just nothing but saying switch muscle fiber.
Pre-USAG 100, 100.
joe rogan
Right?
He had the worst staff I've ever seen in my life.
matt serra
Oh, there was a leg, right?
joe rogan
He had holes in his armpit.
unidentified
Oh.
joe rogan
He lifted his armpit up, and you could see the skin was gone.
You could see the tendons and all the ligaments underneath it.
See if you can find it, Jamie.
It's the craziest thing because staff, if you don't get that shit treated right away and you let it get systemic, I mean, it probably led to his early demise.
It probably was something that led to him dying early.
Rest in peace.
Look at that.
That's his armpit.
That's his armpit, dude.
matt serra
Keep his fucking wallet in there.
unidentified
You know how crazy that is?
joe rogan
You know how crazy that kind of hole is and what that does to your body?
unidentified
God damn.
joe rogan
Because it's not, even when that heals up, like it's going to take a long time before your body gets back to normal.
unidentified
Oof, man.
joe rogan
Staff's scary, man.
Recluse Brown Long Range 00:02:33
joe rogan
Staff's real scary.
unidentified
Oh, come on, man.
matt serra
I want to say.
john rallo
I want to say.
Pete Spratt fought a fight when he didn't fight one.
He got bit by a fucking hole in it.
joe rogan
Well, those are scary.
Those fuckers.
unidentified
Damn.
joe rogan
They necrotize you.
Their venom burns a hole through your muscle tissue.
Oh, it's horrible.
You ever see brown recluse spider bites?
unidentified
No.
joe rogan
It's like first it just swells up and you get like a big zit on it and then it eventually eats the tissue underneath the venom.
matt serra
Fucking spiders.
joe rogan
Yeah, you got to get that treated right away.
And even then, it's like really dangerous.
People die from it.
Brown recluse are scary fucking spiders.
See if you can find brown recluse spider injury.
Nasty, dude.
unidentified
Yeah.
Yeah.
joe rogan
Creepy little fucking bugs out there.
matt serra
I'm gonna get the eggplant rollatini later.
unidentified
We'll see what else we have.
joe rogan
I just wanna show you one more gross thing, and then we can move on.
unidentified
Land.
Dang.
john rallo
Yeah, look at that shit, man.
matt serra
Come on, man.
Was that a water balloon?
joe rogan
Ooh, that burns a hole in you.
din thomas
Yo, where do those things live at?
I don't wanna get bit by that.
john rallo
Texas.
din thomas
They're all over the place.
unidentified
Get me out of here.
joe rogan
They're all over the place.
We're so lucky they're little.
matt serra
You got that shit out here, those things?
joe rogan
But imagine that I was as big as a bear.
unidentified
Yeah.
matt serra
Take over the planet.
This is why we're here.
john rallo
This Ladger of Praying Man is as big as a bear.
matt serra
Dude, in Long Island, I guess we just got some assholes out there, but we don't got to worry about fucking.
We don't got to worry about no fucking things getting our flesh off and shit.
joe rogan
It's a few serial killers.
matt serra
Yeah, a few serial killers.
Guys wearing wife beaters.
unidentified
That's it.
joe rogan
I was just watching this video where they said the most popular job for serial killers is those long range truckers.
john rallo
Makes sense.
din thomas
Yeah.
I mean, you're on the road, you've got a lot of access to a lot of different people.
john rallo
Yeah, and also you think you just keep it moving.
unidentified
Yeah, keep it moving.
joe rogan
Before they even know what happened, you're gone.
unidentified
Yeah.
joe rogan
There's a bunch of them that are linked potentially to long range truckers that they've never solved.
unidentified
Really?
joe rogan
Yeah.
They don't catch a lot of those guys.
That's what's fucked up.
You want to think that life's like a movie where they catch them all and they don't get them in the end?
But random killers are some of the hardest to catch because they just show up, kill somebody, leave.
And there's no rhyme or reason to it.
They just wanted to kill somebody.
So there's no motive.
It's hard to tell.
And if they've done it and not gotten caught for a few years, if they're clever.
Like a lot of these guys, like the Zodiac Killer, he was brilliant.
Still Fuck Controlled Environment 00:09:06
joe rogan
He wrote things in code.
They had the.
I don't even know if they ever cracked all of it.
They still don't know who the fuck it was.
matt serra
They did that movie.
din thomas
Yeah, I saw that movie, right?
matt serra
Yeah, they kind of made it like it was the Janata guy.
joe rogan
I don't think they know.
I mean, unless there's some new data, unless there's some new information, I think it's an unsolved mystery.
But he was obviously brilliant.
So you got a really smart guy who's just randomly killing people, and he's also taunting you with letters, leaving letters behind.
din thomas
It's got to be a little more difficult now with all the cameras and shit.
matt serra
What has John Dunn ever been up to?
Does he have an alibi?
Does he have an alibi from Guido Beach?
Was he in New York at that time?
unidentified
Yeah.
joe rogan
The Dark Lord.
Trying out new techniques.
unidentified
Yeah.
It's fucking great.
Yeah.
All right, boys.
joe rogan
Should we wrap this up?
Man.
unidentified
Good times.
joe rogan
Oh, one more thing we should probably talk about.
Uh,.
The White House card.
unidentified
Ooh.
Yeah.
You going?
joe rogan
Yeah, unless things get crazy between now and then.
But the idea of them fighting outside in Washington, D.C. in the middle of the summer, it's nice, humid, sunny, and heat.
It's crazy to me.
You ask someone to dehydrate themselves, to cut weight.
You know, I mean, think about Gaichi.
Gaichi's going to cut, he's got to cut to get to 55.
Ilya probably doesn't have to cut too much.
But you're fighting for the world title, and you're fighting outside.
That's.
jamie vernon
The noontime has now been corrected, which is.
Hey, we get good weather.
joe rogan
So, the pay per view or the main card starts at 8 p.m. Eastern.
matt serra
Hey, I was in the middle.
I was in Abu Dhabi when they did that.
joe rogan
That's a little better.
Yeah, but also, it can rain.
Yeah, it could easily rain.
There's going to be bugs.
Imagine getting lit up by mosquitoes while you're mounting a guy and you hear him and you hear him.
john rallo
Will they put a tent up over the?
joe rogan
I don't know what they're going to do.
matt serra
Dude, back in the day, they had King of Cage and it was like raining out and shit.
john rallo
It was called Wetlanders.
joe rogan
Wetlanders.
unidentified
Yeah.
din thomas
It's a mess.
Fights outside are a mess.
joe rogan
It's a mess.
It's a terrible idea.
I hate it.
john rallo
There was a couple inches of rain in that cage.
That was a crazy show.
joe rogan
If you're fighting in an elite world championship level, you should be fighting in a controlled environment.
unidentified
Period.
joe rogan
Right.
It's already a problem enough to fight, to deal with the way it is.
john rallo
Yeah, why cause the extra factors?
din thomas
Yeah, and all these different variables.
You might not get the best fighter.
unidentified
Right.
joe rogan
And it also might severely impair someone who's gone through a big weight cut.
If it's really hot out, I don't know what it's going to be like, but we looked it up.
Wasn't it last year?
jamie vernon
At that same date, I think that was 2024, but still, it's like.
joe rogan
It was what?
jamie vernon
It was like 100 degrees there.
unidentified
100, yeah, yeah.
john rallo
Dude, I live it there.
I live in Baltimore.
It'll be hot and humid.
matt serra
Everybody's dealing with the same thing, though, so it's not like somebody's got something different to do.
joe rogan
Right, but it's not fair.
din thomas
Because people deal with them differently.
joe rogan
If you're having world championship fights where you're going to decide who's the best in the world, it should be in a controlled environment.
unidentified
Yeah.
joe rogan
You know?
matt serra
The White House, baby.
It's still the fuck.
We were not legal in New York when I was fighting.
And now we're at the fucking White House.
joe rogan
It's crazy.
unidentified
That is wild.
It's crazy that they're doing it.
joe rogan
I support all crazy things.
din thomas
I'm going too.
joe rogan
Yeah, we have to.
din thomas
Yeah, I just, yeah.
joe rogan
You have to.
din thomas
It's your job.
I just, yeah, I just got the call for clearance.
I'm going.
matt serra
I'll be watching on Paramount Plus.
unidentified
Yeah.
matt serra
Jimmy wanted to go.
He said, can we go?
I'm like, oh.
joe rogan
I'm like, how many people are going to be outside in the audience?
That's the question.
unidentified
I don't know.
joe rogan
Like, how many people are going to be around things?
din thomas
Well, apparently, I think on Saturday's broadcast, they're going to announce how it's going to look.
So, that's part of the allure for watching Saturday shows.
They're going to announce how it's supposed to look.
matt serra
It's exciting, though.
You got to say, fuck it.
joe rogan
It's crazy.
It's definitely crazy.
john rallo
I mean, it's a cool thing.
joe rogan
Only this president would do it.
unidentified
Yeah.
Yeah.
joe rogan
This card, you're saying?
This card coming up?
john rallo
Yeah, Saturdays?
joe rogan
Oh, yeah, Saturdays is a very good card.
I'm telling you, the Mirza Kanoff and Paulo Costa ones, the one that I got my eye on, I'm like, that could be very interesting.
It'd be very interesting.
Because Paulo's a big fucking middleweight.
It might do him good later in his career to go up to light heavyweight.
unidentified
I think so.
joe rogan
And Mirza Kanoff's not a big light heavyweight.
unidentified
No, he's not.
joe rogan
He's only 5'10.
din thomas
Yeah, he's short.
joe rogan
Yeah.
john rallo
Oh, he's got weight to cut, too.
I mean, he's not exactly.
joe rogan
He ain't.
unidentified
No.
joe rogan
No, no, no.
Not even close.
He definitely carries much more body fat on him.
matt serra
Who has he fought?
That's close.
Has he fought anybody?
joe rogan
Rocket, stopped Rocket's first round of his last fight.
john rallo
That's it.
joe rogan
But he hasn't, it's been hard for him to get fights.
They made Dana a little taller there.
jamie vernon
Yeah, but they put like an extra in this, and it's the only thing he said would stop the fight.
joe rogan
Yeah, well, that could be it.
Yeah, that would suck.
Imagine if someone died from getting hit by lightning.
unidentified
Yeah, that would be.
joe rogan
They raise their hand up at the end of the fight and they get hit by lightning.
din thomas
That'd be a bad look for the UFC, I think.
unidentified
I just don't.
matt serra
Bruce Buffett gets it.
joe rogan
I like the idea on paper, but the fact that I'm going to be there.
john rallo
Sequin jacket attracted the lights.
joe rogan
Jesus Christ, this is going to be crazy.
People are probably going to protest it.
It's going to be nuts.
unidentified
Yeah.
din thomas
There's going to be a lot of protesters out there.
unidentified
For sure.
din thomas
All this stuff was well going on in the White House.
john rallo
It might be the wrong place to come and protest because it's going to be a lot of.
Pro Trump people in that audience, it could be a mess.
joe rogan
Well, that's what they like.
You know, a lot of people that are running this world like when there's fights and chaos.
unidentified
Oh, that's a fact.
joe rogan
They like rioting and they'll connect it to Trump and they'll spin it and connect it to whatever the fuck they want to.
matt serra
I just want to see some good fights.
joe rogan
Cyril Gahn and Pereira is a very good fight.
Yeah, it's an interesting fight.
Very interesting fight.
john rallo
Just because of Gahn poking everybody in their eyes, I'd be happy to see him lose.
But he's, I mean, the size is real and And he's got legit skills.
joe rogan
Legit skills.
That tie to Ivasa fight.
Remember those combinations he was hitting tie with?
matt serra
Acting skills also KO on Netflix.
joe rogan
Setting up the South Lawn will begin one month out compared to a few days out in Normal Arena.
Dana and Donald will have 200 tickets each to assign to who they want.
84 from each will be chosen for a VIP event inside the White House prior to the fights.
Most of the rest of the tickets will go to military personnel.
The event will have custom fight kits for all fighters on the card.
unidentified
Wow.
jamie vernon
And then more to come Saturday with.
joe rogan
More to come Saturday.
So there'll probably be an announcement at the UFC that we'll have to talk about.
matt serra
Should be interesting.
Nobody's given Justin a chance here.
joe rogan
Justin's a fucking animal, dude.
unidentified
I mean, I love.
matt serra
And look how technical he fought when he had to fight Faziv.
joe rogan
Faziv.
unidentified
Yeah.
matt serra
And he's a very technical fighter.
joe rogan
Yeah, if you go by the way he fought Patty, he kind of just walked Patty down.
He just like was just like, I'm going to create chaos.
matt serra
You also got to kind of give Patty a little break where he did get poked in the fucking eye early.
unidentified
True.
True.
matt serra
Did he get more ones?
john rallo
I mean, not.
I think too.
Gagey fought with staff.
unidentified
Did he?
john rallo
Pretty much everybody thought so.
joe rogan
I mean, that thing on his neck.
unidentified
Yeah.
joe rogan
He said it wasn't.
And he's seen in grown hair.
john rallo
I mean, he can say, you know, he's not going to tell everybody he's got staff before the fight.
matt serra
He could say it after the fight.
joe rogan
He looked good, though.
john rallo
You know?
joe rogan
He's a fucking animal, too.
john rallo
And the only reason I think that is he doesn't really get tired and he seemed like he's mentally so tough he just pushed through the tired, but you could see he was fatigued at the end of that fight.
joe rogan
Well, he's a complicated riddle on the feet, too.
He's a good stand up fighter, man.
I mean, when he knocked out, Dustin with that head kick.
unidentified
Oh, yeah.
joe rogan
I forgot about that.
He's fucking good.
john rallo
I'm a Gagey fan.
He's cracked.
Love to see him do it.
joe rogan
In the early days, man, he was one of the wildest guys to watch ever.
That Michael Johnson fight was mad.
Just madness.
john rallo
It was a pretty crazy fight.
joe rogan
He just goes, let's jump off the cliff together.
matt serra
They did a Thelma and Louise there.
joe rogan
I mean, that's what he does in those fights, man.
He was one of the best early in his career at throwing leg kicks from really close to the cliff.
unidentified
So close.
Yeah.
din thomas
He got away from that.
I wonder why he got away from that.
unidentified
Yeah.
joe rogan
Could be injured shins.
You know, it could be knocked a lot of guys out with his hands.
Just wanted to do that for him.
john rallo
I mean, I thought that was one of his greatest weapons is being so close to just dig right in.
joe rogan
Like a weird flexibility of the hips to be able to do that and generate power from in close.
matt serra
With what?
The right hand or the kick?
unidentified
The kick.
The kick.
Yeah, the kick.
joe rogan
He does it in a collar tie.
unidentified
It'll kick you.
joe rogan
Nuts.
And with power.
unidentified
Yeah.
matt serra
It definitely has a chance.
I mean, you know, I mean, people will just.
Kind of not even giving him a shot.
joe rogan
I'm like, well, that's how good Ilya is.
matt serra
Yeah, no, I get it.
john rallo
He gets hit a lot, and they're just putting the equation together.
din thomas
Ilya, man.
Ilya's got that one punch.
joe rogan
It's ferocious.
john rallo
And look at the guys he's done it to.
You know, Volkanovsky, Charles, Max.
unidentified
In a row.
joe rogan
In a row.
matt serra
Ryan Hall.
joe rogan
Three KOs in a row against world champions.
That's crazy.
din thomas
Guys who are not used to getting put.
Round Hit Shot Crazy Max 00:01:42
unidentified
Yeah.
He's a leader.
joe rogan
You know, not like, but, you know, think about how durable Charles is.
For him, just one shot like that, take him out, that's crazy.
That's crazy.
john rallo
For Max.
I mean, Max did well in the first round.
unidentified
He did.
din thomas
But until he got hit, he'd never been knocked out.
joe rogan
He's a different dude.
You know, there's levels that this game achieves as people get better and better and better and watch everyone around them.
And Illy is like, this is the next highest level.
unidentified
Right.
You know?
john rallo
Now everybody's shooting for that.
joe rogan
Boys, a lot of fun.
matt serra
Good time.
unidentified
We're doing this.
joe rogan
I love when we do this.
It's so fun.
This is my favorite podcast.
matt serra
Hey.
I love coming out here.
It's such a good time.
joe rogan
And also, I need to find out what's going on in the nerd world.
matt serra
If you want to find out what's going on in the nerd world, Matt Serra Channel on YouTube.
I talk all about that geek shit.
That's it.
Sometimes I play VR and I do movie reactions where it's like the Mystery Science Theater where I talk to this guy.
unidentified
Talk shit.
Yeah.
matt serra
I talk during a movie a lot.
Like, Dean, what do you got going on?
din thomas
My movie, Flowers, short film coming out.
And I got a new show on Paramount Plus called Deep Waters with Jorge Mazvidalco.
Chris Wyman and Dustin Poirier.
That starts next Monday.
unidentified
Every Monday.
joe rogan
That's the right name.
I like the name.
din thomas
Steve Waters coming out.
unidentified
Yep.
john rallo
And we're still doing Ground Control.
Just opened a school in Sykesville.
Dustin Poirier's actually coming out there in the spot next door to a stratosphere on May 16th.
Shogun still going.
So groundcontrolusa.com, shogunfights.com, and at Be More MMA.
joe rogan
Look at you, bro.
Promoter, coach, gym owner.
john rallo
Hustling, hustling.
unidentified
Hustling.
All right.
joe rogan
Thank you.
Thank you guys.
Lots of fun.
unidentified
Always fun.
joe rogan
Bye, everybody.
unidentified
Bye, guys.
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