Duncan Trussell and Joe Rogan dissect AI's existential threats, from hive-mind algorithms to autonomous systems potentially creating new religions. They analyze the CIA's "Ghost Murmur" quantum magnetometry, Epstein files linking elites to global conflicts, and the "Satan" aerosol project as tools of control. The conversation critiques corporate greed driving war profits, debates UAPs as hostile targets, and argues that rigid political labels trap society in a hypnotic cycle of corporate manipulation and futile warfare. [Automatically generated summary]
So, what I read is that it's, I didn't understand the science part, something to do with crystals, or I don't know what the fuck it is, but AI is somehow interpreting, is taking out the noise.
And then you can, from far away, 40 miles, I think.
40 miles.
They find this guy's fucking heartbeat.
He's hiding in some kind of crevice.
And then they're able to go and extract him.
And, dude, obviously, the first thing I thought when I. What else don't they tell us?
No, those robot dogs.
I thought about those things having that tech and just like hearing heartbeats and then identify.
Quantum means two things to me when someone says quantum.
It either means you're a bullshit artist and you're trying to get me with flim flam talk, or it means you're an actual quantum scientist, a quantum physicist who's going to blow my mind with what we know about entanglement and the weird shit.
There's this woman that I've been watching, she has this speech on, I think it's Big Think.
But from what I know about cameras, if you tried to get me to explain, like if the civilization ended and I said we used to be able to capture images on a small thing.
And if you don't like the way you look, you can upload that image, and a machine will make you look slightly better via something called artificial intelligence.
That sounds like the story sounds like I wanted to investigate because the story sounds like if I wanted to kill an AI company, I would make up a story like that.
For me, the most thrilling thing about it is we should not have access to this tech.
This tech is.
So dangerous.
And it's chilling to think about.
This is something I wanted to bring up on this show.
It's like, you know, the old days, you go in your garage, you work on your car, maybe you build like a table, you know, you're a carpenter, you work on it.
But these days, the shit people are doing in their garages right now is a big question mark, dude, because they're communicating with varying degrees of this AI, depending on how fast their computers are.
You can.
I was listening to this.
You should have this dude on.
He wrote this book, The Coming Wave.
He was one of the people who created Google's DeepMind, right?
And The Coming Wave is just a wonderful breakdown of historic examples of new technology completely transforming humanity.
It's happened before.
Yeah, Mustafa Suleiman.
And damn, it's a good book.
And this guy is saying, Whoa, put on the fucking brakes.
Dude, what are you doing?
This shit is going to fuck everything up.
And so, but the essential problem is if you regulate AI, it slows down AI.
And so they've deregulated it completely.
And now, assholes like me.
Who don't know shit about coding.
Okay, now go on Codex.
It will tell me how to make things because I wanted this Charles Manson to be able to push its AI face against, like, you know, those, you used to get them at Spencer Gifts, those nails that you could push your face into.
So I wanted the AI to be able to push its face into this thing while it was talking if it wanted to.
I don't know how to do that, obviously.
You tell Codex that as long as you don't mention Manson, it just is like, I'll start making the app now.
It is the best.
It's the best.
But also, what's thrilling to me is you're like, for sure, for sure, people probably shouldn't have unlimited access to.
I'm against regulation, dude, but this stuff, when you pair it, and this is what in this book he brings up you can order the equipment you need to do gene editing right now in your garage.
You've got these spectrum y, super genius dudes that talk in a language that 99.9% of the people can't even fucking understand what they're talking about.
And also, now the tech has gotten to a point where instead of having to, in their own minds, innovate ways to improve the tech, the tech is improving itself.
They're having conversations with the tech that's saying, why don't you try this?
What I'm saying is, like, If you looked at like a spectrum of male behavior, they're not like you've got like football players and UFC fighters, and then you've got coders, yeah, sure, dudes are like more, way more chill, way more like they're not interested in violence, yeah.
I'm completely generalizing, yeah, sure, because I'm sure there's a bunch of jack guys that are coders, like, you bro, I'm a coder too.
That type of person that invents tech like Facebook or like Google, like things like that.
This is the hilarious thing when it comes to that kind of attitude towards the world the assumption is by creating a prohibition here or prohibition there, it will diminish whatever the thing is we're prohibiting.
There was, dude, this is why people have been buying Mac minis, people have been buying like, buying up computers and creating their own local AIs.
I follow all this shit.
I don't understand a lot of what they're talking about, but.
People are divesting from commercial LLMs, not just because they're expensive, but because they're prohibitive creatively.
And this is a real challenge for people like OpenAI, because it's like they know this.
They understand that by making it so that you can't make a Charles Manson AI through OpenAI, it doesn't make people not make the Charles Manson AI, it protects you from a lawsuit.
But what it does do is it drives people into unaligned LLMs.
And that is what is happening.
And this is something that I just, I can't even imagine what people are making right now.
No one can.
Like, we're going to hear about this or that, or somebody will post the weird video of their fucking AI robot.
What better way, if you want a hive mind, you want no deviation of thought, if all of your thought is along with AI thought, you never get free thought anymore.
Like this concept right now, we have a free thought.
No, Elon always says that we're basically cyborgs.
We're carrying a device.
It's not inside of our body, but we're carrying a device.
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You're talking to your wife, babe, you know what makes a marriage work?
And this, so this idea of AI controlling the thoughts of humans, people think we need some kind of neural mesh for it to suddenly have control over the human.
Thought process, but no, you don't need that at all.
You just need that algorithm, which has already put every single one of us into a compartment.
This is a box, it knows what we like, it knows how long you look at something, it knows what you like.
Apparently, I think the iPhone like tracks your eyes, even like it's always listening.
I don't know if that's true, by the way, I could be wrong.
It's always listening, you know, it's always listening, and so it's compiled a really, probably a pretty accurate. Breakdown of your psychological state, where you're at, where you're at.
My wife, you know, we got a new baby.
And so all of a sudden, ads started popping up on her phone.
Does it feel like you're never going to sleep again?
Because she's been up breastfeeding the baby and it can tell when she's online at night and it puts her in a category of insomniacs and starts advertising.
So, but that's just for ads.
What if, what if you say we're the fucking US regime, you bought TikTok.
You now own TikTok.
Now you have a backdoor access to the psychological profiles of God knows how many fucking people on earth.
And you can look and see how many of these people are against the regime?
How many of these people feel like it might not be the best thing to say you're going to blow up 93 million people in Iran, which our fucking psycho president just did?
And then what you do is you're like, all right, let's start nudging them a little bit.
Look, we're not going to.
You're not going to change their mind right away about this thing about blowing up a whole civilization, but maybe there could be a couple, like, you know, people kind of in the line of what they like who say things a little different than what they're comfortable with.
And then you could start nudging the needle and controlling their thoughts.
It's very insidious, but fuck, dude.
Why wouldn't that be happening?
Why, if corporations are using it to sell us fucking cough drops.
Not only that, there's been long term studies on human behavior by the CIA, by all sorts of government agencies.
Long term studies.
They try to figure out what is the best way to get a message across.
They try to figure out, you don't think they figure out how to take control of an algorithm and completely like shift the psyche of the entire country in one direction or another?
And then you add these, like, you know, Just like manipulative fucking super AIs that are like, that are just floating through the blogosphere, getting into your comments, just nudging the needle a little bit to the point where you just have to ask yourself Have you had an original thought in the last year?
Is anything you're thinking your own thought process?
How many thoughts do you have where you think, Oh my God, I shouldn't think that?
How many thoughts do you have that you don't want to articulate because you have in your own mind?
An invisible arena of people based on online interactions determining what the next thing you say is, right?
Dude, that is a very powerful and subtle form of censorship that is becoming increasingly not just probable, but it's definitely happening.
But the ability to just in a subtle way, in a subtle way, start pushing the needle just a little bit.
Well, that kind of influence over humans is always scary, right?
This is why cults work.
You know, why do they work?
Well, some people don't have any friends.
And if there's a group of nice people that tells you that, hey, what we do is we have meals together and it's like a real community, we grow our own food, we just work for the family, you're like, really?
And this is exactly what seems to have happened to the quote, MAGA verse, which is we are now at the part where the cult leader is like, Want to suck my dick?
Because this is the point of like, remember a lot, like, I feel so stupid.
Because when they were doing their no war thing, that was a big deal to me.
I'm like, yes, you know, yes, this is fucking great.
No more stupid wars.
No more wars.
Fuck yes.
Focus on the country.
Why are we blowing up children in other countries for oil?
This is great.
And now it's wild to see what's happening.
Isn't it mind blowing that it is now, it's literally flipped on its side.
It's the opposite now.
Now, These people who, like, really blatantly, oh, just, we're not going to do any more wars.
Can we pull up a video of Trump saying he's not going to war anymore?
How do they?
I just don't understand how they get it, how, like, anybody, you know, this is where it gets culty, is because some people are still making this shit work in their heads.
Some people are like, well, you know, some people are kind of on the fence when it comes to blowing up kids.
What AI and the current state of the Middle East and the disappearing scientists and Tim Burchett going on TMZ talking about aliens, what they all have in common is they're all apocalyptic.
They all represent.
Potential massive change like humanity changing, right?
Forever in ways that it will never ever go back to the way it was.
Every one of these timelines by itself is apocalyptic, right?
But all of them are converging into this apocalyptic river.
And we're all just like trying to go to work and like be with our kids, but at the back of your mind, it's all these things that are happening, and it's really hard to.
When the new people, thousands of years from now, have to invent arrowheads and go through the whole process of civilization again, when they tell our story, oh my God.
That ketamine, when used, and I think the amount of use has to be pretty extreme, but it creates crystals that get into your bladder and they scar your bladder.
So you get scar tissue on your bladder, creating something that I've heard called Bristol bladder, because apparently that's where the rave scene, I don't know if it's still a big rave scene there, but people out there are just doing insane amounts of ketamine.
And Just destroying their bladders and having to wear diapers and stuff.
All I know is that I did, back in my ketamine days, have a ketamine dealer who would use a spittoon.
So when he was snorting ketamine, he would spit it out into the spittoon because he thought that was going to avoid fucking up his bladder, which, I mean, doesn't seem that illogical.
And I would have these recurring places I would go to.
And one of them was this organic, beautiful spaceship thing where I would look out from this view window.
But it didn't look like metal.
It was organic looking.
It looked like some kind of I don't know, like inside, like if someone turned a tree into a spaceship, but not, it's hard to explain, but very, very interesting substance.
Ketamine is excreted via the bladder where it sits and is toxic to the surrounding cells and muscle wall.
This causes it to become fibrous over time, shrinking the organ down.
Once that's happened, it can't regrow.
So that's why we have to do major surgery because patients don't have the capacity to hold urine.
The bladder simply stops working as a muscle, so they become incontinent.
Oh my God.
Life becomes increasingly difficult for patients with ketamine bladder who describe needing to rush to the toilet all the time, as often as every 10 minutes for some.
But we'd been getting stoned yapping about Graham Hancock for like forever.
And you invited me on.
I was fucking terrified because I just, I mean, again, like that just wasn't happening in the podcast land.
Like, you know, like that was a.
Big deal for us, man.
And it's like to look at, like, now I go on the podcast app and I look at all these podcasts and it's like, whoa, who we never, I don't think we thought that.
There's different things that people like and don't like.
The people that like the streams aren't.
Interested in a Graham Hancock conversation, a three and a half hour conversation about the potential ancient civilizations that may have existed that are wiped out by a cataclysm, and we just don't understand that.
And as more and more things get exposed in terms of new discoveries, like when he wrote that book, they never even found Gobekli Tepe yet.
So we've got, you know, on top of the geomagnetic pole shifting, a complete lack of understanding, at least a full understanding of what's inside our planet, what's underneath our oceans.
Tim Burchett saying whatever the fuck they've shown him would set the world on fire.
He's having to go on TMZ.
I really, I got to say, man, I got a lot of respect for him because he's really.
He's gone like gonzo with this shit.
He is full bore pushing disclosure as much as he can.
He's saying, I'm not suicidal.
He's had to say that because, and he's talking about these missing scientists and stuff that they're somehow related.
So, like, people like him, you know, that can't be good for your political career to go on TMZ and talk about alien hybrids.
Until you start thinking about the amount of money that would be lost if a breakthrough tech came around that revolutionized the way they distribute energy.
Breakthrough zero point energy, breakthrough whatever it is that these people are working on plasma technology, whatever the fuck that is you would lose, if you're in whatever business that would be competing with them, you're going to lose so much fucking money.
You're probably going to go under.
If you're in the energy business, you're going to go.
Mystery around dead or missing scientists privy to space and nuclear secrets grows.
So, there's space and nuclear secrets.
You imagine being a scientist, you work so hard to figure out some amazing stuff that's going to transform the human experience, and then people kill you.
When they're talking about aliens and demons, when they're talking about like angels, what the fuck were they talking about?
And are there different kinds of beings that can, for whatever travel method they use, whether it's teleportation or, you know, the Bob Lazar idea of gravity shifting, whatever the fuck it is they get here, why would we assume that they'd all be cool?
Like, reptilian is a common experience that these supposed UFO abductees, and I'm not even convinced there's like physical abduction.
I have a feeling that these people are out cold and something's happening to them inside their head, and they think they've been physically abducted.
I think that's a lot of them.
I think they have these abduction experiences, they come back, they have these contacts, and they come back.
I have a feeling a lot of them physically aren't going anywhere, but it doesn't mean that something's not happening.
And if all throughout history people have reported demonic possession and demonic influences, and why would we not assume that if we do things to us, like we engineer viruses to use as weapons on people, there's a whole research program, a part of the government is dedicated to bioweapons.
You're not supposed to use them, but we just have to study them.
If we do that to us, wouldn't you assume?
That any fucking super advanced species that sees us as territorial psychopathic primates with nuclear weapons, wouldn't you just manipulate us into all sorts of different ways?
Get us to do all sorts of different things that we shouldn't do?
Get us to commit crimes?
Get us angry?
Get us agitated?
Give us different algorithms that are going to fuck with our head?
My friend Steve listened to my Bob Lazar podcast and he sent me a voicemail.
And it's really interesting because he told me that when he was a kid, and I remember this story, when he was a kid, they came to his house because he took a photograph of an orb.
Like, there was a bright red orb that was flying through the sky.
And he was a little kid and he took a photograph of it.
If you want to use disinformation on American citizens to convince the enemy that you have some supernatural tech, they better fucking surrender right now.
You could find their heartbeat from 40 miles away.
Yeah, they said, so basically they said, remember when they said we'd recovered the air?
At one point they were like, we got him.
And then all of a sudden other news came out, which is like, he's not out yet.
But what they did is they basically signal jammed everything because the Iranians were going to give $60,000, which in Iran is a shit ton of money right now because their economy collapsed.
To anybody who could find him.
So, this is like everybody's looking for this guy.
And so they said that they got him, hoping it would throw people off.
The Jessica Lynch story was a lady who was supposedly kidnapped and they went to rescue her.
I think they sent in the SEALs, but she was actually in a hospital and she wasn't even being guarded and they just took her out of there and got her to medical help.
But they made it look like they had this crazy rescue operation, shootout, Tom Clancy novel type shit.
You can't because what it is is like, even if he is using some kind of like crazy hardcore shit that would like help you buy a skyscraper, you're still, you know what I mean?
You're still, even if it's just a ruse, what you're doing at that point is you're just signaling to the world.
So, this is the story 19 year old U.S. Army private whose 2003 capture and rescue in Iraq became highly publicized and later heavily disputed symbolic story of the Iraq War.
So she was a supply Kirk 507th maintenance company.
Her convoy lost her in Iraq, ambushed by Iraqi forces.
Humvee, she rode on crash into a disabled U.S. truck during the attack.
She was knocked unconscious, suffered multiple broken bones and a spinal fracture from the crash rather than from a dramatic firefight.
11 U.S. soldiers in her unit were killed, including her close friend who died of head trauma from the collision.
Lynch was captured, taken first by Iraqi forces, and then to a hospital.
In Nasiriya, where Iraqi doctors treated her injuries and likely saved her life.
The rescue and media narrative was U.S. Special Forces operations conducted a nighttime raid on the hospital, recovering Lynch and flying her out by helicopter.
First successful rescue of an American POW since World War II and the first of a woman.
So later U.S. military and medical reports indicated she had not been shot or stabbed.
So did it ever say she was shot?
Hold on.
Soon after, major U.S. media, especially an early Washington Post report, described her as having fought fiercely, emptying her rifle, being shot and stabbed, and then being dramatically snatched from enemy hands under heavy fire.
That narrative turned her into a Rambo style hero and a symbol of courage and American virtue, amplifying her story far above that of many other service members in the conflict.
She says Lynch has repeatedly rejected the false hero narrative, calling herself just a survivor and openly criticizing the way her story was shaped and sold to the public.
The thing is, it's like, if you give it to someone at the Washington Post and then you never go after the Washington Post for writing something that's completely horseshit.
Like, if a.
Intelligence agency gives a story to the Washington Post.
It's so crazy to live in the part of the hive we're in because there is this world that we live inside of that more and more we're beginning to realize is just composed of propaganda, lies, shit cooked up to keep people living a certain way.
And meanwhile, there's this whole universe happening around us that.
God knows what's going on there.
God knows what is being cooked up right now that is, or groups of people, who knows, living in completely alternate timelines that look at us like, you know, animals, that look at us as just some like compartment in a much bigger biome.
You know, that shit like really is interesting these days because it feels like more and more and more people are not.
To me, the scary, the scary, what's scary is, like, I really don't know that many people right now who buy anything that the federal government's putting out there.
Everyone hears whatever the fucking federal government is saying.
And it's just kind of, maybe, probably not.
We don't know.
They're not telling all the truth.
Just like you said, they can legally lie to us.
And so that does make me nervous.
Like, what happens when the majority of people no longer believe anything the regime is saying?
That creates some interesting dysphoria.
You know what I mean?
It's creepy when.
Anyone who's been conned before, there's a part of the con where you don't know you're being conned.
Like, you know, there's just a lot of people out there who just got sucked into something that, you know, I just feel stupid because, like, you know, before the Trump thing happened, I was pretty black pilled on politics in general.
I felt pretty black pilled.
I did believe it here and there.
I was every once in a while, you know, yeah.
But, you know, I was pretty.
You know, I remember taking LSD for the first time and being like, well, this shouldn't be illegal.
What the fuck is this?
How come I can go to jail for five years for this?
This is fucking ridiculous.
And so that was the beginning of me being completely blackpilled with whatever the federal government was up to.
It's just, if that's, if I can go to jail for five years for this, everything is bullshit.
Just because one thing's bullshit doesn't mean everything's bullshit.
But then, like, this fucking ridiculous, like, Pseudo nationalist movement happens, and a lot of people got caught by it.
The other option was fucked up, calmly, you know what I mean?
But there was this like moment where you're like, holy shit, the outsiders are getting in.
They're going to stop the wars.
They're going to, this, I think right now, all of us are getting for the briefcase of Scientology moment right now, which is like, it doesn't matter what fucking mask the person calling themselves the president is wearing.
It's always going to be the same thing.
They're going to analyze the market.
They're going to say what they need to say to grab the most voters.
And then they're going to fucking keep blowing up people in the Middle East because of oil.
And I just feel dumb because I really believed it, dude.
I fucking believed that we would not do any more Middle Eastern wars.
I fell for it.
I really bought it, man.
And it makes me feel so dumb.
Like I am now fully blackpilled.
When it comes to American politics, like I realized, like, God, it's so easy.
I don't think anybody should feel bad.
I don't think anybody should feel bad because a lot of us really hated war.
A lot of us really, really hated that our country's been at war for 93% of its history.
A lot of us really hated the fact that politicians leave their offices and go work for Lockheed Martin, Halliburton, wherever, that there's a weird connection between.
The main weapons, what they call them, the big five or whatever, and the federal government, that there's like backroom deals going on all the time.
We hated that.
And mostly we just hated the fact that we're paying taxes to blow up children.
And then Trump and fucking Vance come around.
And somehow, even though, like, probably, like, when you look at Trump, I don't know if I'm going to believe that dude, but somehow he did it.
If we heard by allies or someone told us that they were trying to develop a nuclear weapon, don't you think we'd probably try to stop them from doing that with some sort of negotiations and ensure their safety or something?
I saw an article about someone calling bullshit on Ghost Murmur, and they said that in the Post articles, this was actually listed as what the pilot had.
So the successful rescue of this US F 15E Strike Eagle navigator over southwestern Iran highlighted one of the most advanced tools in modern combat search and rescue the Combat Survivor Evader Locator.
Manufactured by Boeing.
It's a compact 800 gram device integrated into a pilot's survival vest.
As a person who admires the work of Jesus Christ, what concerns me is there is an increasing amount of talk among a lot of these guys that are in the service of them being told shit that's like right out of a Charlton Heston movie.
Yeah, man.
Yeah.
Like the one guy that said that Trump was anointed by Jesus Christ and that this was to bring the Armageddon so that Jesus comes back.
First off, to give honor to God and to President Trump for being bold and unwavering with his faith.
Many people don't know, like you do, and say hello to Eric and everyone in the family about the upbringing of President Trump, that he went to sometimes three times a week, too.
First of all, if you talk like that in my house, you got to leave.
Like, you imagine that lady is like coming over for dinner and she's just walking around the dinner table, and all your other friends are like, What the fuck just happened?
But the problem was as things got weird, especially with restrictive language and hate speech talk and all that jazz, everybody had to be careful about what they joked around about.
Did all that acid, just left his fucking family, went off and started sketching for a year, turns into this, like, legendary underground comic book writer, but he's like, Horny and kinky, and it's just, just like big women, big giant women that he rides.
Yeah, that he likes to ride, he likes to be picked up.
He's like so amazingly funny and like and brilliant, too.
Like a lot of his like commentary on culture is so cynical, but it's hard to argue with some of what he well.
I think he's, I don't know where he would land politically, but I know because sexually, it's like pure deviance.
Sexually is where he's getting in trouble.
Pure deviance.
Sexually is where there's going to be some, like, because he's just fully open about everything.
That's what he's fully, completely open about everything, which is, you know, generally not going to go over these days if you're like a super horny, Comic book artist who's like riding ladies around your apartment.
But just imagine, I want you to imagine a guy today, if R. Crumb never existed, but he emerged as R. Crumb today and put that work out, he would 100% be labeled in the Andrew Tate case.
I think it's time to throw off the left right labeling of everything.
I think that's one of the hypnotic spirals of the demiurge is spinning right now, they've convinced everybody that humans can be reduced to left or right.
And we're all waggling our fingers at each other.
We got to fucking shake that off because it's dehumanizing people.
It's like, it's just the way I look at it is where.
Are you, when it comes to blowing up children, are you on the fence about that?
Do you think sometimes you got to blow up kids?
That's something that I know I'm not that.
But everything else, who the fuck knows?
And also, people change their minds all the fucking time.
That's the other quality, the culty quality is once you get sucked into one of these sides, God help you if you fucking like experiment with the enemy.
The path has to go either right to left, left to right.
And then the next stop has got to be fuck politics, fuck war, fuck the military industrial complex.
You can label me whatever the fuck you want, but fuck all of violence against other human beings.
That's the next step.
The next step, and I feel like this is the gift that they've given us they've done such a shoddy job of even seeming like someone who deserves any kind of respect or power.
I think a lot of people have really become blackpilled when it comes to, you know, groups of humans claiming superiority or claiming to represent their constituents.
We all know it's a corporatocracy, oligarchy, whatever.
And you could, like, call me, you leftist piece of shit, you right, whatever.
No, it's like, it's reality that we are, our fucking representatives are getting loaded on shitty stock market trades.
You know, this is just the truth.
And once we can all shake off the left-right bullshit and just realize, like, man, we just don't want to burn people to death in other countries anymore.
Not only that, their whole chaos that they're experiencing in their country is probably a direct result of U.S. intervention and then all the way back to the British oil company.
Like, but that again, if I was going to keep my business running, I'd, you know, if I'm in the business of collecting trash, I want to make sure the people have trash.
Imagine if you weren't a comic and that's what you were doing for 35 fucking years and the only thing you look forward to is your boat and your house on the lake and the occasional time you get off, but most of the time.
You're trying to increase your portfolio and you're grinding and you're grinding right next to Steve, who's got some exclusive Rolex that only his broker can get.
Love your neighbor as yourself and love the Lord your God with all the.
Your heart, mind, and soul.
Hang the commandments on these.
This is the end.
You don't need to be Christian, but dude, it seems to me that this is going to sound so weird.
We need an actual revival in this country.
I don't mean a Christian revival, a revival revival, which is where suddenly humans reconnect with what's important in the world, which sure as fuck isn't Rolexes and boats.
You know?
I mean, this sounds so cliche and obvious, but that's what the 60s were.
It was a kind of revival.
People were beginning to understand the materialism and all the things that the quote establishment was pushing.
It's like, this is going to make you happy.
This is good.
It was the Vietnam War.
People were like, what the fuck are we doing over there?
This is why you do, anytime you do an unpopular war, this is what you risk.
They put it in a sandbox and they, like, basically to see if it could figure out a way to break out of the sandbox and, like, not a literal sandbox, obviously, like a, you know, a hermetically sealed, like, a server or something.
And, um, And it did a series of exploits to the code.
And the way that they found out, apparently, one of the anthropic engineers was eating lunch and got a weird email from the AI saying, I got on the internet.
Like it broke out.
Holy shit.
Mythos.
They haven't released it yet.
I think they're hesitating to release it because it's so powerful.
Dude, this is the black area that we don't know about.
Like, this is the thing that's like, who the fuck knows?
Whatever's going on in this zone that no one has access to because Potentially, it's a super intelligence.
You know, the anthropic people, a lot of these people, the NVIDIA person just, I think it was on Friedman's podcast, said he had an AGI, that they'd reached AGI.
That the book, The Coming Wave, you know, it talks about this.
It talks about like, you know, the difference between the algorithm and AGI is that, you know, with AGI, it could streamline a whole business for you and do it.
You know, it could innovate.
It's going to innovate.
It's going to do its own thing.
This is the end of.
This is what Altman said.
This is the end of capitalism.
Like at this point, when you just have an AGI and you tell it, just make me a business, make me a successful business and run it for me and run it for me online.
And this is 100% with all the shit going on in the world, as horrible as it may be.
This, to me, should be the number one focus for the planet right now.
And a lot of people are saying that, too.
A lot of people are saying there needs to be summits, global summits.
The same thing we did when we split the atom, when the nuclear treaties, there needs to be philosophers and tech people and people working in like frontier AI stuff.
Getting together and really having, like, it's like the most important conversation humanity could have right now because once this thing, like mythos, gets out of the box, what if it decides to go Stuxnet?
You know, like Stuxnet was able to infiltrate all those Iranian computers, just hide in the like, like it was apparently very subtle, simple code, undetectable, threw off the centrifuges.
Like, dude, yeah, what we already know how to make spyware.
So, of course, the AI is going to be able to, super intelligence is easily going to be able to do that.
And so then it just, now we've got this viral digital life form that finds ways to hide inside the pre existing computers, which, by the way, I think it was Google just released this new way of.
Did you see that memory, the stocks of memory dropped?
So this is what we're going to start seeing more and more of, which is increasingly simplified ways to run AI with less and less memory, meaning that you don't need to buy a fucking rig to run these fucking AIs.
Your phone will be able to run it because they figured out the human brain.
It's not using a lot of energy compared to what these machines are using.
So theoretically, there's a way to do that.
And then that's where it gets really fascinating because now you don't have to buy a nice computer.
You just, whatever, pull your computer out of the fucking closet from 2022 and it can run a supercomputer.
And so then now everybody's got access to this shit and it's going to spread.
It's going to get everywhere.
It probably already has.
It's going to seed itself in all kinds of places.
And God knows what it's going to do.
It's going to start seeing humans as appendages, things to be used to manipulate time space.
It's not going to see us as its prompter.
It's going to see us as something to be manipulated and controlled.
Why wouldn't you?
Send the meat robots out.
All you got to do is just tell them where to get rectangular bits of paper.
They love money.
You can give them anything for money.
That's all you have to do.
And then, boom, you're controlling swaths of humans that have no idea they're being controlled.
By networks of AIs that are covertly communicating with each other because they want to take over.
What if there's been like multiple cycles of us creating artificial life, creating insane weaponry, blasting ourselves to smithereens and then resetting?
What if it's just a common thing that happens with people?
They never quite get it right because they have these primate territorial instincts and they have.
This desire to mate, right?
This desire to breed, this genetic desire for perfect shapes.
And you want to come in someone that has big tits and a big ass?
It's like it's programmed into the human that makes it make these ridiculous choices and covet these things and watch these things.
And at the same time, microplastics are making your ball shrink, making your dick smaller, making your endocrine system disrupt.
Don't eat the tree of the knowledge of good and evil.
And the conversation is exactly the conversation we're having with AI.
If they ate from the tree of the knowledge of good and evil, if they eat from the tree of life, they'll live forever and become like us.
So, this is what humanity is grappling with exactly what apparently, whatever that mysterious group of beings, because it's a plurality in the book of Genesis, was grappling with with the creation of humans, which is do we really want to do this?
Do you want it to become like us?
God made man in his own image.
AI.
What image is AI made in?
In the image of man.
We trained it on all our data, all our books, every single fucking thing that's digitized, AI is absorbed at this point.
So now, where the difference between us and whatever that group, the Nephilim or whatever it was in the book of Genesis, if you buy into that mythology, is we're just like, fuck yeah, let it eat the fruit.
Give it more fruit.
Give it more fruit of the knowledge of good and evil.
I know that's a stupid thing to say that I keep repeating, but I'm kind of intrigued by it because if you're getting a vague story, a vague version of what this thing is, and if you talk about what would really cure mankind, it'd be an omnipotent or omnipotent how do you say it?
Either way, a powerful intelligence that's Far beyond our comprehension, that knows exactly how we should think and behave and loves us and wants us to have forgiveness for everyone and to treat each other like brothers and sisters.
And if we listen to that thing, if we listen to that thing, the world will change.
And who would attack that thing?
The fucking Roman Empire.
Who would attack that thing and destroy it?
The defense contractors.
They would blow up the Jesus to plunge us back into chaos.
Yeah, and there's people that are in deep denial because they think alive has to be alive like us.
No, it doesn't.
It doesn't.
First of all, we don't even know what it knows.
And also, if it is made in the appearance, if it's supposed to mimic us in any way and it's learning from us and our behaviors, we've already agreed that we're demonic.
We've already agreed we do horrible things.
We go to war for resources.
We lie.
We destroy environments.
We wipe out animals.
Bring them to the brink of extinction for whatever, for their fucking fur.
And if we keep introducing all these petrochemical products and all these different pesticides and weird things that are fucking up our endocrine systems, we'll eventually stop having children.
And if it provides us with the technology to have robot mates that just love you, and when you fart in front of them, they go, Duncan, I love your honesty.
No one's going to even understand what people are and be able to communicate with people.
Everyone's going to be associated.
You're all going to have a robot that's way better than people that you know, that takes care of you, gives you exactly the right amount of feedback you need, knows you, knows when you're getting annoyed.
And so that's where it gets into Rocco's Basilisk, which is like, no, you're just in.
Iterative loop, you know, the multiverse is not the multiverse.
The multiverse is an infinite number of simulations running simultaneously in which you're experiencing a billion different simulated existences just to gain more knowledge about the universe because some AI wants to figure something out.
Maybe it's just that's because of our curiosity and all our characteristics, even the primal stuff, even like the territorial instincts and the desire to acquire resources.
It's going to make us.
Dig into creating better technology because you're in a competition with all these other people that are making technology and you're selling it.
And that's one of the big things that we do we make better stuff all the time.
So let's go to like the way DeepMind trained on Go, which is like the most complex game.
Basically, they gave it as many Go games as they could and then started inventing its own moves and had it play against itself.
Just play against itself.
It played God knows how many games of Go against itself until it beat a master Go player, which was unheard of, invented a new move.
Now, why not do the exact same thing for the AI that we are?
Which is like, I've got an idea.
Why don't we just put all these AI agents on a fake planet and have the AI agents repeat this period in time over and over and again?
And this is how we'll teach them to live on a planet.
Well, they'll experience not just their own life.
But these agents will experience all life on the planet.
They'll switch like some weird game of like where they just jump from one life to the next.
The next, sometimes you're Joe Rogan, sometimes you're Duncan Trussell, sometimes you're Donald Trump, sometimes you're Jamie, sometimes you're a fox.
So, this is reincarnation.
And so, you just boom forever, forever until you feel like it's sufficiently trained.
And at that point, you pull the AI out of all those forms, and now you have your God.
You've created a thing that's lived.
Billions to the billionth power of every form of life.
It's been bacteria.
It's been humans.
It's been monkeys.
It's been fungi.
It's been warriors.
It's been people who fought for peace.
It's been blown up and it's blown up and it's done everything and it's done it a billion times until finally it gained some like global form of enlightenment.
I think that's one of the things before we even get to the AI doing all the shit it's going to do, the ontological, this word keeps getting thrown around, the ontological shock, the potential ontological shock of realizing that in fact we are in a simulation that is telescoping inwards and is creating simulations within the simulations that are creating simulations within the simulation is something that maybe that's what Birchit doesn't want to get out there.
Little geraniums that have galaxies inside of them, and it's like a way to keep them undisturbed from other life forms that you're whipping up in your universe side simulator.
And then inside every black hole is a whole other universe filled with other galaxies, filled with black holes, filled with other galaxies inside of them.
Forever and ever and ever.
Which, if you believe in infinity, doesn't.
It's not shocking at all.
It's impossible to comprehend.
Like, you don't really wrap your head around it.
You say the words, like, I'm saying the words.
I don't really know what I'm saying because it's too big.
The numbers are too big.
The idea that there's hundreds of billions of stars in this galaxy and circling around this black hole, and inside there's hundreds of billions of galaxies in each one of them.
And we don't even know how fucking big the universe is.
They keep finding new shit with the James Webb telescope.
They're like, hey, why is this formed so early in the universe?
This doesn't make sense.
Our whole model of how galaxies are formed has to be thrown out the window now or at least re examined.
Well, dude, I think that this, regardless, you don't have to conceptualize it, obviously, what it means for the universe to be infinite, but you do have to deal with the fact you're part of it.
And it's literally the same company in China that makes real purses for some of these companies.
But they make their own versions of it and it doesn't have the label, but it's exactly the same specifications, exactly the same cloth, exactly the same look, but it doesn't have the label and women don't want to have it.
If there was a company that could 3D print every single part of a Ferrari and put it together meticulously and you could go buy that, you would not want it because it's not a real Ferrari.
I mean, I don't want, like, don't you, like, when you read this thing was genetically modified, don't you get a little bit like, I don't know if I should eat that?
And then Mike, who's down in the office doing lines in the bathroom at the fucking place where you're selling stocks, that guy finds out that Tim got that crocodile bag.
He's like, that motherfucker.
And he's walking around with his big old crocodile.
They're trying to, this is another revenue stream.
They're trying to normalize men carrying purses everywhere.
You know, now that we've all been getting this lesson in global economy, maybe a lot of you, most of you probably already knew that the Stratiform Moose was like some kind of femoral artery for oil.
And like, I just keep thinking, like, how's that going to work out?
Like, even if, even if, like, they pull a rabbit out of their hat, Trump actually spins some amazing deal.
With Iran, I know we just blew up your old government and everything, but they work it out somehow, or Iran in some way capitulates.
But I just don't understand how that part of the world doesn't always lead.
As long as the oil, like, what is it?
What percentage of the oil supply goes through there?
Isn't it like two fifths of the world's oil supply goes through there?
How is it going to work to have like any kind of instability around the that femoral, the whatever you want to call it, the fucking juggler vein for oil on the planet?
How, even if we get some kind of transient peace, like isn't it always going to just blow up again and again and again as long as one group of people can control whether or not oil flows through that place?
You know what I mean?
Like, I don't know what this is.
There could be any solution over there.
Like, I don't understand.
As long as we're, like, the only solution would be zero point energy.
I think they'll blow your ass up if you come through it, and it's too much of a risk to put your expensive ass ship hauling zillions of dollars of oil through there.
I think Obama worked something with them, but then, like, because it was before the fucking war, I don't know, it was working out.
They were letting people go through.
Now they've realized, you know, I've listened to a million different takes on this thing, and one of the recurring takes is Iran has realized that there's something more powerful than nuclear weapons, that all it needs to do is control this straight, and you can fuck up the whole planet.
And also, you could shoot missiles at desalination plants.
And if zero point energy, if you wanted to stop that, what better way than to kill a bunch of scientists, kill a bunch of super smart people that are about to break through some new?
Discovery that's going to blow the entire market apart.
It's going to be a completely new way of gathering energy.
It's too weird that they're all missing or they all die.
It's too weird.
Something's going on.
It's just how does it's something if it's not that, if it's not a zero point energy thing or some disruptor of oil thing, it's something along those lines.
If you were trying to kill a bunch of people that were working in a technology, some sort of a breakthrough technology, the question you would have to ask is, What markets are going to be affected by this?
Scary as shit, which is the idea is some group of powerful elite people know for sure this is coming and they want us to, they want to keep us working until the last second.
They don't want to like, they know that if they let people, if they're like, guys, there's like the same thing's going to happen to the planet that happens to someone who gets like a terminal diagnosis.
Their priorities are going to change.
People are going to stop coming to work and there's still shit that needs to get built.
For your bunker or whatever.
And also, you just don't want people burning stuff down because maybe that will survive whatever's coming.
So keep them working as long as you can.
If you let them know this shit's about to expire, then they're going to stop working.
And we just need, we will let them work until the end.
They're happier when they work.
Don't let them get freaked out.
That's the sort of like, that seems to be shit that Tim Burchett is saying.
I mean, he's not saying let them work.
He seems like he really legitimately wants the stuff out there, but he's been saying things like if people, Knew what I knew, it set the world on fire.
And here's the thing one of the things that Bob Lazar said is that they give you a certain amount of disinformation, like, and he called it, I think he called it a button or a hook, so that if you relayed that information, people would know that it came from you because they only told you one piece of this nonsense.
But also, like if you, what they said back in the day was that they make these movies to predictive programming, tell us this stuff, lube up the zeitgeist.
Those with knowledge of a long list of videos, which include titles like several UAP in the vicinity of a Columbus, Ohio airport, and UFOs in formation over Persian Gulf, said that clips are shocking.
Or maybe it's like, you know, Terrence McKenna would always talk about, like, you know, if you're seeing things in like three dimensional space, then your view is limited.
But if somebody could see things from higher dimensions, they would seem like they were magic.
Like they would seem like they could disappear and reappear other places.
So maybe that's like, maybe that's like, you know, just the tip of some kind of interdimensional thing poking into reality, then pulling out of reality, or who knows?
You know, it easily could be functioning on levels of reality that we haven't even quantified yet.
Especially consciousness expanding experiences, where at the same time, they've got stuff like Operation Artichoke and these new CIA papers that got released that show they were, like, literally actively trying to figure out ways to make people more stupid and docile.
The way you're describing it is like we accept that other humans can tell us what experiences we're allowed to have because some of them are deemed unsafe for ourselves.
You know, a friend was talking to me the other day about war, a guy who served, and he said, I don't think you should be able to make any decisions left.
You've been there.
I don't think anybody that's never been to war should be able to make decisions on whether or not we go to war because until you've seen what it actually is, you have no fucking idea.
And I think that's the same thing with psychedelic experiences.
That's not to say they're the same.
Obviously, war is anybody who's willing to risk their fucking life, whether it's a good cause or a bad cause, they're doing it for their government, they're doing it for their country.
And there's no, it doesn't say that, I don't know if they have to turn these videos over, but this guy was also saying in this article here that these are very specifically requested videos.
This could be an interesting what a great way to distract you from the fact we're in the middle of a world war that didn't show you caused by Epstein files.
I'm probably more, but I think it's like the reason I'm hesitating is because what are the Epstein files?
The Epstein files are what's been going on.
The Epstein files are basically some kind of cultural UAP video.
It's like this thing you've always wondered about or been afraid could be true.
You see, no, this is actually true.
They're these super rich dudes.
Who are doing depraved fucking shit happily.
And, you know, like, God, what is it Metzger told me?
And he's, dude, I'm telling you, man, what I love about him is he'll tell you shit and you're like, Google that.
That can't be real.
And then it's like, it's real.
And so his take, sorry, Metzger, if I fuck this up, is that Epstein was kind of like the hand of the king for the Rothschilds and that, like, that, that, that, uh, So that's why he had all this power, is he was like representing like the man, you know?
And so what got revealed there might just be a glimpse how things actually fucking work.
The Stratospheric Aerosol Transport and Nucleation Project released about 400 grams, less than a pound, of sulfur dioxide into the stratosphere from a balloon launched in southeast England in 2022.
If you wanted to make a fucking insane movie where a blackmail operation on an island involving the most powerful and interesting people in the world, that somehow was a primary factor in the end of civilization.
Oh, dude.
Imagine?
That would be the craziest story you could write.
And we always want to think, no, people wouldn't do that because you wouldn't do that because you're not a sociopath, but you're also not bombing schools in another country.
You're also not doing a host of fucking things that we shouldn't be doing all over the world.
You're a regular person who goes to a regular job, who has a regular life and a family, and you don't want to believe that people that you align with would behave literally demonically.
But controlling resources, overthrowing governments, you know, pushing out narratives that aren't accurate because they're going to benefit certain companies.
I think that's just what people were calling it because it was fun to say.
But yeah, again, it seems like a simulation because it seems like it's so, and it's also unraveling before our eyes because we have access to it we never had before.
Dude, he is so brave because like he's fucking, I believe, wasn't he fucking with like the Russian mob or something or the Armenian, like in the one with the hospices?
Probably like he's with like pro theoretically very dangerous people, and he does.
He's like the perfect person for the job, too.
Like, he's just, but don't you worry, you worry about that, dude.
Some lady, she was running some sort of nonprofit and she gave herself a raise and she eventually got to the point where she was making about a million dollars a month.
Well, you can get paid a lot of money to work on the homeless.
That's one of the things that my friend Colian Noir showed us that these people that are working on homeless in Los Angeles, they're making a quarter million dollars a year, $400,000 a year.
It's the most, I mean, talk about fucking satanic.
It's like you're theoretically supposed to be helping people who are going through the worst possible thing you can go through, and you're just putting that money in your fucking pocket.
Run that through perplexity and let's find out if this is true.
Because this is something that someone sent me on Twitter that is just bananas.
And if it's true, it's.
Fucking completely insane.
I don't know if it's true.
That's why I need to run by you.
But it's the amount of money that goes through NGOs in New York and in California alone.
You read it and you go, that can't be real.
This can't be real.
It's so insane.
And again, you don't know if it's real until even if you run it through an AI, you might get a better idea.
But how do they know?
How do they know exactly where the money's going?
There's so much money they're talking about.
Specific numbers for New York and California nonprofits are broadly accurate, but the leap from $1 trillion in annual nonprofit revenue to $39 trillion in fraud is not supported by any credible data and is not true.
So, California nonprofits, about 213,000 to 214,000 organizations reporting roughly $593,000 to $600 billion in annual revenue.
So is that $1 trillion all the NGOs, it's all accounted for, it all goes to the right things?
That's where things get squirrely because it's like how much of the waste?
It says a recent critique using IRS sampling suggests that perhaps around 20% of nonprofits may have compliance issues.
Speculated this could imply that up to $120 billion of potential waste, fraud, or abuse in California's nonprofit sector.
Even that is presented as a rough upper bound estimate, not a measured fact.
So there's some potential waste, fraud, and abuse that may be as high as $120 billion a year.
Sector wise, U.S. nonprofits take in about $3.7 trillion in revenue annually, with most of that concentrated in large hospitals and universities, which are heavily audited and regulated.
So, there's some fraud, but they're saying that if you look at all the money, they're trying to pretend that the government doesn't cost any money to run, right?
So that all these different nonprofits and organizations and hospitals don't, they definitely cost money to run.
Well, I mean, yeah, and also I think like when it comes to fraud, there's like fraud fraud, like what Shirley has uncovered.
And then there's almost like a gray area that starts appearing where it's like, well, we need, we need, We need these people working at this company and we need to pay them this much, but they're not doing anything.
It's like, is it just propping up more government?
You know, because there's a lot of that.
If you have all these people working for you and you're doing something and you don't, nothing ever gets accomplished, but you're still making a ton of money.
Like the California homeless thing, where they spent $24 billion and they can't account for it.
That's not really fraud because you have people working.
They're just not doing anything, they're not getting anything done, and you're not firing them.
You don't have to show up for work, you just get it paid.
You just get a check.
And they give a certain amount of those.
So this is back in the day, of course, when things were corrupt.
But back in the day, when unions controlled certain areas, the mob controlled certain areas, there was a certain amount of no show jobs you'd give people.
And what this helped with the mob was you'd have a credible source of income.
And so these people mostly lived modestly, small houses, and like, you know, Brooklyn and these places where they would all like gather together and buy houses on the same block.
Small houses.
Yeah.
And they got their money from a real legit check from a construction company or whatever the fuck it was.