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President Trump going off on the media from the Oval Office yesterday, making a very pointed set of remarks, including direct accusations of treason.
Once again, this is echoing what has been said by other Trump administration officials and department officials who are coming out full war against Obama and his acolytes who orchestrated the Russia Gate hoax, which was, in fact, treason.
Now, here's the thing.
You know, I've watched a lot of the reaction from the left, and, you know, they're all pearl clutching, saying this is politically motivated.
I just find that so rich.
You know, it's politically motivated.
They're going after Obama.
They've done, I mean, that's the talking point now, which people, you know, fine, whatever.
They can say what they want.
You know, I can't wait, though, until they start talking about how it's about race, right?
He's going after him because he's a black man.
Because we all know that's not true, but they'll use it and they'll try to push more division and try to get people to lose their ever-living minds over it.
And that's exactly the world we live in.
You know, as frustrating and sort of demoralizing as it is, that is the Status quo at this point is that you know the political discourse in this country is essentially made up of people who know how to manipulate the national dialogue and
frame narratives to create and sow division and discord so that there is no popular consensus on any issue, really, right?
Because every issue is going to be boiled down to some argument about race or ethnicity or religion or whatever it is, and they are going to keep us divided and fighting against one another.
And it's rather disgusting.
Tulsi Gabbard announced yesterday, though, that she was going to release as the DNI more documents to refute what Obama has come out and said, which is an interesting little fun fact.
So let's go ahead and look at this.
So Patrick Roddenbush, the spokesperson for President Obama, released a statement, and it goes like this.
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That's the statement, right?
And what's the narrative being sold by the press?
Well, this is, for instance, a headline from Politico.
President Trump is attempting to shift the public's focus away from the building crisis around the release of the sealed documents detailing the Jeffrey Epstein case by urging his Justice Department to go after former President Obama.
And that's not the only place where that narrative is being framed.
Another example would be headlines coming out of both Rolling Stone and the New York Times.
Here is the headline from Rolling Stone.
Ryan Bort published this article yesterday titled, Trump goes full fascist.
Whether it's right or wrong, it's time to go after people.
Quoting Trump.
The president is desperate to turn the nation's attention away from his ties to Jeffrey Epstein.
That's one headline.
Another headline from the New York Times.
Trump escalates attacks on Obama and Clinton as questions swirl about Epstein.
President Trump deflects questions about the disgraced financier Jeffrey Epstein by lashing out at his perceived enemies.
So, we already see a narrative forming on the left where they want you to look at the Epstein files.
Now, listen.
Listen, listen, listen, listen.
Please listen to me on this.
Okay?
If Donald Trump is implicated in these files, right?
And this is the whole point, the whole reason why he's trying to deflect away from it and get this whole Russiagate thing going again.
How do you know that what the left is saying right now is disingenuous?
I'll wait.
Any guesses?
I'll tell you why.
Because if they were sincere in this belief that Donald Trump is diverting attention away from Epstein to, you know, basically obfuscate his culpability in that scandal and divert attention and focus over to this Russiagate one, then where the hell were these people for the last eight years?
Where was the New York Times?
Where was the Rolling Stone?
Where was Obama and his gang?
Where were any of these people when the Epstein story was in full bore?
2018?
I mean, we could go even before that, 2017.
Where were they then?
Why were they not calling for that release?
Why is it that when I look at the replays from MSNBC and CNN and NBC and CBS and ABC, why is it that all I see are reporters telling me, historically, there's no such thing as an Epstein list.
There's no there, there.
There's nothing to see here.
There's nothing to investigate.
It's all some kind of anti-Semitic conspiracy theory.
that's run by a bunch of you know people who believe in pizzagate which by the way if you ever look that up it's all real but you know never mind that why all of a sudden now are they so concerned about getting the epstein files to the public right i mean that's the simplest question you have to ask yourself now remember these people get their talking points at 4 a.m from agents of the deep state who
a very large and very powerful propaganda machine.
So they're being told privately by their handlers that the Epstein story is a go.
Now you must ask the question, why is it a go now?
Well, we'll tell you why it's a go now when we come back.
Plus, we'll cover some more interesting facts.
But I mean, the way you know these people are disingenuous in everything they do is by understanding and by simply looking back at history and using that as a way of understanding the present what have they done historically versus what they're doing now you think they had a some revelation and epiphany and now all of a sudden they're actually going to do news work Hmm, I don't think so.
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Okay, so let's get back to the story at hand.
And I got to be quite honest, right?
What are we watching here?
The whole narrative now, I mean, the New York Times and Rolling Stone are writing headlines saying that Trump is diverting people's attention away from Epstein and the Epstein files by bringing up the treason that was committed allegedly,
but we're pretty sure it basically amounts to that, by Obama and his acolytes, John Brennan, James Clapper, Jim Comey, and the rest.
And again, I ask you this simple question.
Okay?
If this is all some elaborate attempt by Donald Trump to divert attention away from his apparent affiliation or alleged affiliation with Jeffrey Epstein, then why have the media not been calling this out for the last four years, six years, eight years, ten years, twelve years, or whatever the timeline is?
We go all the way back, but that would be before Trump was really a political figure and before people started hating him.
So that's the real question I have, and there is no real good answer.
The only answer that is logical is that they've been given the green light to push this narrative, and why would that be?
Well, because they've had a decade or so and countless opportunities to massage and manipulate the evidence, to destroy evidence that would be incriminating and fabricate evidence incriminating against Democrat or anti-Trump forces,
deep state forces, and then to fabricate and plant evidence that is damaging and incriminating against Trump and his acolytes and the people around him.
And I know you say, well, you mean you're saying that government officials would break the law and do something they shouldn't have done and frame somebody for something they didn't do?
Craig, that's almost a bridge too far.
To which I would reply, Really?
Have you not been paying attention for the past 10 years?
Because that's what it seems to be, right?
So what I think happened here, I'm just spitballing, okay?
So bear with me.
But what I think happened here is something to this effect.
So President Trump clearly won in 2020.
It was clearly another push to run a coup, which they succeeded at.
They took control for four years and then were able to take back control of certain organizations.
And perhaps in many cases, a lot of their acolytes and minions never even left, right?
Because what's the ongoing, the biggest joke of all is that every four years the reins of power change.
They really don't.
It stays in the bureaucracy's hands.
And the bureaucracy is the never-ending bureaucracy where people have 30, 40-year careers that, you know, outlast several presidents.
Right?
So those people perhaps manipulated, I wouldn't put it past them to have planted evidence into the Epstein file or taken out evidence or put memos in, right?
Because you have to remember.
Look at what the media was able to do with a simple letter that was signed by 51 intelligence officials.
Former intelligence officials signed a letter saying that the Hunterbein laptop had all the hallmarks of a disinformation, a Russian disinformation campaign, right?
And that was signed in 2020, I think, right before the election.
And let me just say that they were able to use that as a predicate to basically ban free speech, to mobilize a censorship regime that would have made George Orwell blush,
that was able to basically whitewash the internet and remove any mention of this from popular culture, from the national discourse.
Now, again, the Streisand effect, it kind of blew up in their face, but they still had the intended effect.
They had to do that and have the COVID hoax and lock us all down.
And people, like, I really, you see some of these, the normies, right, we call them, the people who have, you know, kind of adapted and adopted and not, they don't like to push back.
They don't like to read too much into it.
They just kind of go along.
We get along.
You know, they, and in some cases, I don't blame them.
You know, they have family, job, bills.
They have their priorities.
They're just trying to get by.
So I'm not even mad at them.
But those people have completely decided to just forget that our government put us, you know, imposed martial law in 2020 against us and locked us in our homes and made us,
you know, stand outside the hospital while our parents and grandparents were basically murdered in some cases in Andrew Cuomos, New York, of course, and then forced us to take vaccinations which we now know were not safe and or effective in many cases.
And it's like those people have forgotten all about that.
And now we're just back to the same, you know, pre-COVID discourse of, oh, well, you know, the government, they wouldn't do anything bad, would they?
So that's mildly frustrating, to be quite honest.
And I'm sure it's frustrating for many of you out there listening because I'm sure you have to deal with people who have that, you know, mindset regularly.
I know I do as well.
I mean, it's like you navigate a minefield out there with certain people because they don't want to, you know, they choose not to look at things that could negatively affect or alter their, you know, very fragilely held worldview.
And that is, by definition, what cognitive dissonance is.
It's their mental incapacity to, or their mental incapability to accept facts that contradict a worldview that they hold that they do not want to change.
Right?
Even though there are facts that would counteract it or completely, you know, contradict it.
So when I see the media who look, of course the media tells the truth.
They have to.
That's a part of gaining your trust, right?
They have to tell the truth occasionally, perhaps even often.
And they selectively choose which things they do and don't tell the truth about, right?
We can all agree on that, if not anything else, for crying out loud.
But if you think about from this perspective, the things they choose to lie about to us or lie to us about, those things usually are consequential, right?
Meaning the election, you know, the consequences in elections and, you know, power.
That's consequences that I'm talking about.
That's what's consequential.
So in this regard, I ask the simple question again.
If the media's narrative that they frame for us now is that Donald Trump is bringing up this Russiagate thing to divert our attention away from Epstein, well, let me ask you two questions.
Do you not see that the implication there is that we are as an electorate and as a public incapable of walking and chewing bubblegum at the same time?
That we cannot simultaneously look at both the Epstein files and the Russiagate conspiracy simultaneously, A. So basically they're saying you're too dumb to handle more than one thing.
But B, one of the things that they are masters at is projection.
They accuse you of what they themselves are guilty of.
So they're saying that Trump is trying to shift the narrative from Epstein to the Russiate stuff because they're suggesting that he's implicated.
Right?
Well, I guess the simplest question to ask after that would be why are they pushing a narrative, why are they pushing a story that they spent eight years trying to hide and destroy and discredit?
Right?
I have yet to hear anybody ask that question in any of the online back and forth, in any of the Fox News, you know, 30-second interview segments.
I haven't heard that.
And I think it's a reasonable question that nobody wants to ask because they know the answer.
And one of the things you can't do in the mainstream media is ask certain questions that you just can't.
Or point out certain truths or give a full explanation of things that are easily understandable.
Because it's all about deception.
It's all about misdirection.
Obfuscation.
And this is all a war of narratives at this point.
So, look, I digress, clearly.
But I do, I do.
I think it's fascinating.
You look at the New York Times Rolling Stone rolling this out.
And now, Tulsa Gabbard said she's going to unleash more stuff.
And guess what?
She did.
So we have now newly declassified documents giving more context to the intelligence community analysis that was used, the ICA, that was used to start the whole Rushka thing.
And look, I can simultaneously say, hey, I'd like to know the truth about what happened with Epstein.
And guess what?
I have an amazing interview, clips from an amazing interview with Tuck Carlson that talk about just that.
And we can have that.
And we can look at the Rushka thing.
Oh, my gosh, we could do two things at once.
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We might even be able to do, we will have three thoughts simultaneously.
Anyway, stay tuned.
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So I want to play, so Tolson Gaddafi says she's going to release documents to basically outline what happened here, right?
To give a full sort of breakdown of it all.
And I would like to play President Trump's remarks from the Oval Office yesterday.
This is what he was saying from the Oval Office that basically made headlines.
Let's listen to this.
I don't really follow that too much.
It's sort of a witch hunt, just a continuation of the witch hunt.
The witch hunt that you should be talking about is they caught President Obama absolutely cold, Tulsi Gabbard.
What they did to this country in 2016, starting in 2016, but going up all the way going up to 2020 of the election.
They tried to rig the election, and they got caught.
And there should be very severe consequences for that.
You know, when we caught Hillary Clinton, I said, you know what?
Let's not go too far here.
It's the ex-wife of a president, and I thought it was sort of terrible.
And I let her off the hook, and I'm very happy I did.
But it's time to start after what they did to me.
And whether it's right or wrong, it's time to go after people.
Obama's been caught directly.
So people say, oh, you know, a group.
It's not a group.
It's Obama.
His orders are on the paper.
The papers are signed.
The papers came right out of their office.
They sent everything to be highly classified.
Well, the highly classified has been released.
And what they did in 2016 and in 2020 is very criminal.
It's criminal at the highest level.
So that's really the things you should be talking about.
I know nothing about the other, but I think it's appropriate that they do go.
May I ask you about that, Mr. President?
Tulsi Gabbard has submitted a criminal referral to the Department of Justice.
From your perspective, who should the DOJ target as part of their investigation?
What specific figures in the Obama administration?
Well, based on what I read, and I read pretty much what you read, it would be President Obama.
He started it.
And Biden was there with him.
And Comey was there.
And Clapper, the whole group was there.
Brennan, they were all there in a room.
Right here.
This is the room.
This is much more beautiful than it was then, but that's okay.
I have nice pictures up.
They came out of the vaults.
They were in there for 100 years.
This is much more beautiful.
We have the Declaration of Independence now in the room, which wasn't here.
I guess people didn't feel too good about putting it here, but I do.
But you know what?
If you look at those papers, they have them stone cold, and it was President Obama.
It wasn't lots of people all over the place.
It was them too.
But the leader of the gang was President Obama, Barack Hussein Obama.
you heard of him?
And except for the fact that he gets shielded by the press for his entire life.
That's the one they...
It's not a question, you know, I like to say, let's give it time.
It's there.
He's guilty.
This was treason.
This was every word you can think of.
They tried to steal the election.
They tried to obfuscate the election.
They did things that nobody's ever even imagined, even in other countries.
You've seen some pretty rough countries.
This man has Seen some pretty rough countries, but you've never seen anything like it.
And we have all of the documents, and from what Tulsi told me, she's got thousands of additional documents coming.
So, President Obama, it was his concept, his idea, but he also got it from crooked Hillary Clinton.
Crooked is a $3 bill.
Hillary Clinton and her group, the Democrats, spent $12 million to Christopher Steele to write up a report that was a total fake report.
Took two years to figure that out, but it came out that it was a total fake report.
It was made-up fiction.
And they used that.
The one thing they weren't able to do was to, and probably the only thing I respect about the press in years is the press refused to write it before the election.
They refused to put it in.
The Steele report was a disaster.
All lies, all fabrication, all admitted, an admitted fraud.
She paid $12 million and the Democrats for that report to a wise guy named Christopher Steele.
He wrote a phony report, and they wanted to get that report in before the election.
And I'll tell you what, I talk about all the time the fake news, how bad it is, but in this case, they wouldn't do it.
They saw it, they read it, and they said, we don't believe it.
And it was only after, substantially, like a month and a half after the election, that it got printed.
And it was a big wisp.
It was just like a bang of nothing because the election had ended.
If that report had gotten published by the New York Times or somebody, and I respect the Times for maybe only this, because they're crooked as you can be.
They're a terrible paper, a crooked, corrupt paper.
But for this one moment, they said, this is bullshit.
We can't put this in.
And neither could any other paper.
Wall Street Journal's a lousy paper, very, very dishonest paper.
As you see, I'm suing them for a lot of money because they do things very badly.
It's a really, it's got a nice name, but it's really, in my opinion, it's a terrible paper.
And it can be corrupt.
But just so you know, they didn't take the Steele report.
It was the dossier.
Remember the famous dossier?
I called it the fake news dossier?
The news wouldn't publish it.
And I'm amazed.
They had two and a half months.
It was finished.
Two and a half months.
That was supposed to be what was going to happen.
And it got published a couple of months after the election.
And frankly, nobody cared too much about it.
But that was a big thing.
No, no.
We caught Hillary Clinton.
We caught Barack Hussein Obama.
They're the ones.
And then you have many, many people under them.
Susan Rice.
They're all there.
The names are all there.
And I guess they figured they're going to put this in classified information and nobody will ever see it again.
But it doesn't work that way.
And it's the most unbelievable thing I think I've ever read.
So you ought to take a look at that and stop talking about nonsense because this is mixed up.
Never has a thing like this happened in the history of our country.
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We're going to finish Trump's remarks and then go on.
And by the way, it morphed into the 2020 race.
And the 2020 race was rigged.
And it was a rigged election.
And because it was rigged, we have millions of people in our country.
We had inflation.
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But millions and millions of people came into our country because of that.
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I hate to say this with such a distinguished guest, but they asked me a question.
I've got to answer the question.
Barack Passenger Obama is the ringleader.
Hillary Clinton was right there with them, and so was Sleepy Joe Buckman, and so were the rest of them.
Comey, Clapper, the whole group.
And they tried to rig an election, and they got caught.
And then they did rig the election in 2020.
And then because I knew I won that election, by the way, I did it a third time, and I won in a landslide.
Every swing snake won the popular vote.
But I won that all the same way in 2020.
And look at the damage that was caused.
And how crucial is the ammunition topic?
Wow.
So, look, the rhetoric is strong, yes.
The implication is massive.
Yes.
The idea that we are incapable of holding these two truths is, you know, or holding these two ideas simultaneously is a joke.
And it just shows you how disingenuous and dishonest our media is.
The framing of this in regard to how they're saying Trump is trying to obfuscate his implication in the Epstein thing.
The whole Epstein thing, the reason they don't want the Epstein.
I'll tell you the Epstein story, okay?
Let me summarize the Epstein story for everyone out there.
Epstein was a money laundering expert who was recruited by the intelligence services, who was hired by the CIA and other, he became a freelance moneyman who worked with the CIA and the Mossad or Israeli military intelligence, depending on who you ask, to and other probably nationals.
He worked for people like Adnan Khashoggi, who was another, and Robert Maxwell.
These are, you know, very wealthy billionaire fixers, facilitators, right, who work closely with intelligence agencies, who all died mysteriously, right?
That's why they're saying there's nothing there there, because you can't bring Jeffrey Epstein to trial, no matter what.
You can't disclose publicly because he was involved in Iran-Contra, because he was the guy who was helping Anand Khashoggi set up the weapons deals that were sold into Israel and then transferred into Iran so that Iran could fight Iraq and keep Saddam Hussein from getting too powerful.
And this was all done clandestinely and this has all been sealed and put under the classified top secret setting.
And Jeffrey Epstein is a key player in all of that and that's why the truth about Epstein will probably never come out beyond what you just heard.
And yes, Epstein had a proclivity for young girls that all came out.
But as it turns out, when he was originally caught in 2006 and 2007, because all of the young girls that he was abusing got together and basically went to the police and said, this guy is a monster.
You had people come in from intelligence agencies and say, look, you can't do anything to this guy.
He is doing other work.
Alexander Acosta said as much.
And then he came out and said, well, you can't believe what the media says, but he never refuted the story itself.
And then people ask, well, why was Alexander Acosta Trump's labor secretary?
And they make this implication that Alexander Acosta was chosen by Trump because he helped cover up the Epstein thing.
I doubt it.
The Epstein thing was covered up by the intelligence agencies because they were directly implicated in money laundering and gun running and weapons trafficking that went into funding these operations like Iran-Contra, where they were funding Iranian military members and the regime there to fight against another country because they were trying to keep one country from getting too powerful.
And this was all done in a black budget operation where the money was being orchestrated and run by, or the money was being laundered by Jeffrey Epstein with Adnan Khashoggi and Robert Maxwell and the rest of the gang.
And all the names that you're never going to hear.
And you know how you know that these people are basically what we think they are?
It's because they all end up dead from suicide.
Or a mysterious accident.
Or a mysterious accident.
Shoghi's dead.
Maxwell's dead.
Epstein's dead.
Les Wexner's in hiding.
Jean-Luc Burnell dead from hanging himself.
So look.
I know it's not...
I know this is not what they report on Fox News.
But it seems pretty obvious when you put together the pieces what this all is.
So arguments and failed attempts.
when we come back, I want to read what is being released now because I think that there is a bigger story here, and that is the whole like Obama treason thing.
That seems interesting and pertinent.
Stay tuned.
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Welcome back to Just Form Talk Radio.
I'm your host, Craig James.
And like I said, we're going to take you through what's been released this morning.
Tulsi Gabbard is going to continue to release documents, it sounds, with regard to this Russia collusion hoax.
And for anybody out there who keeps, you know, telling me and yelling, you know, about Epstein, I'm going to just start ignoring it.
Because at this point, I'm not going to pull Hillary Clinton and say, at this point, what difference does it make?
But I will say, at this point, there is no information.
Like, Epstein's dead or been disappeared.
Many people think he's in witness protection program.
Perhaps.
Many people think, you know, because he was an intelligence asset.
I don't know if he would be in witness protection program, but many people think he's dead.
Either way, he's been disappeared.
Right?
And there's no, there's no way that we're going to have a trial for a guy that doesn't exist anymore.
There's no way the DOJ is going to roll out Epstein at trial and be like, oh, by the way, we lied when we told you he was dead.
So that's just not going to happen.
So for whatever it's worth, if he is dead, then he's gotten what he presumably deserves for what he's done.
And now he's facing a much harsher judgment from the Lord that I would imagine for somebody who does those things.
But only the Lord knows.
But I will say this, that, you know, there is, like I said, look, the Epstein thing, the more I have researched it, the more I've tried to understand it, it's all publicly available pretty much.
Everything that he was involved with, the people he was involved with, whether it was, you know, from his start at Goldman's or at Bear Stearns to his sort of fall into the world of trafficking, guns, weapons, laundering money, that kind of thing.
You know, being a fixer for that, for the intelligence agencies who were doing clandestine work, trying to obfuscate government oversight, circumventing government oversight.
He was the guy doing it.
So this is why the Epstein file will never be released in full.
This is why they say there's nothing there.
This is why they say, don't look here.
We already know he was a sick pedophile who preyed on young girls.
Who was being blackmailed by him?
Well, it sounds like the way he ran his operation was, he would get blackmailed on somebody and then use that to extort them indefinitely.
And that sounds like it's probably what happened with Les Wexner.
that or they were boyfriends and we don't even know like there's some weird theories out there but we don't know but but what I what we do know is that Trump being socially Associated with him is not the implication, not the damning implication that most people think.
It's just the circles these people run in.
And Jeffrey Epstein was intentionally trying to infiltrate these social circles.
Anyway, we got more to come.
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We were talking about Tulsa Gabbard's releasing documents.
You know, Trump said that there are thousands of documents that are going to be released.
There's a major one that was just released.
This is her last night on Fox News talking about that.
From former President Obama there.
He's saying that none of this makes any sense, that this is a distraction.
What do you say to that?
It's the art of deflection coming from former President Obama, as well as his friends who are still in Congress today, and Senator Warner and Congressman Jim Himes, really all basically saying that exact same statement, which doesn't actually address the issue that was revealed in great detail in the over 100 documents that we released last week,
in the documents that we will be releasing later this week, that point to the undeniable fact that you laid out in your introduction to this segment, is that the intelligence community had one assessment, that Russia did not have the intent or capability to try to impact the outcome of the U.S. election leading up to Election Day.
The same assessment was made after Donald Trump was elected by the American people as president in 2016, defeating Hillary Clinton.
And it wasn't until after that polled president's daily brief document that you referenced that the Principals Committee was called in the National Security Council, and President Obama then directed then his Obama's ODNI, DNI James Clapper, to lead the effort to create this new intelligence community assessment that detailed not if, but how Moscow attempted to influence the outcome of the U.S. election.
So this is the thing that I think people should pay attention to is neither the message from President Obama's office, neither the statements coming from Democrats in Congress today and their friends in the propaganda media, none of them are addressing this fact that there was a shift,
180 degree shift from the intelligence community's assessment leading up to the election to the one that President Obama directed be produced after Donald Trump won the election that completely contradicted those assessments that had come previously.
The second thing I want to address that's very important, Laura, is that in the clip that you played, you saw John Brennan, James Clapper, James Comey stated with high confidence this January intelligence community assessment that they drafted at the direction of President Obama.
The fact is that they used already discredited information like the steel dossier.
They knew it was discredited at that time, yet they used it as a source for this document that they claim to have high confidence in.
They used intelligence that some of these intelligence community professionals rejected previously because of the lack of credibility and the lack of the ability to vet with any kind of confidence whether or not that information or intelligence was accurate and could be used for an assessment.
There is a long laundry list of facts and intelligence reporting that directly contradict the statement coming from President Obama's office and those who are trying to deflect away from what actually happened, which was after Donald Trump was elected,
led by President Obama, there was an effort to create a document that would serve as a foundation for what would be a years-long coup against President Trump, therefore trying to subvert the will of the American people who sent him to the White House in 2016.
Yeah, so when you hear it laid out like that, I think the one thing I drew out of that, I mean, I knew a lot of it, we all know a lot of it, but the thing that she said that stood out to me was when she made the implication that essentially the intelligence that's being given to us is completely verified.
And any attempt by the left, the Democrats or the media, the fake news media, to divert our attention away from it by saying, by claiming, again, in projection, typical projection, that this is a diversion Trump's creating to keep people from looking at what happened with Epstein is crazy just for the simple fact that they're not,
again, debating the facts in the documents that are being released.
They're not debating any of it.
They're not even trying to say, oh, well, that didn't happen.
You're lying.
They're saying, well, yeah, but what about Epstein?
Well, it's like...
I mean, what about Epstein?
Like, let's talk about Epstein.
I've talked about him a lot.
I'll play clips about him in the show today.
I got a bunch.
Daryl Cooper did an amazing Interview, which I highly encourage all of you to go listen to in its entirety.
It's a three-hour-long podcast with Tuck Carlson, where they go through the detailed history of what we know factually about Jeffrey Epstein, how he came to be, you know, where he started and where he ended up, and everything in between.
It's absolutely worth listening to if you want to get a better understanding of that.
Yes, okay, great.
Let's go look at Epstein.
Let's get that truth too.
But does that change anything that Tulsi Gabbard is saying?
Does that change any of the truth or the facts that are being acknowledged and released in this document or in these documents?
No.
The answer is no.
The answer is they have no response.
The answer is the only response they have is projecting and deflecting.
That's all they can do.
It's all projection.
It's all deflection.
Whereas a normal, rational, logical person would say, well, yes, I'm interested in learning the truth about Epstein just as much as I am interested in learning the truth about what Obama did.
and And again, we'll listen to some clips later in the show, hopefully.
And if not today, I'm going to definitely play a bunch of them tomorrow.
I got to get you some clips from this Daryl Cooper Doug Carlson interview just because the information in there is so comprehensive and enlightening about Epstein.
That again, my question is, what do we need to know about Epstein that we don't know now?
Everybody, I want to get Trump and his.
It's like, do you understand who he worked for, who Epstein worked for?
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Welcome back to Justin Forum Talk Radio.
I'm your host, Craig James.
And a lot of this stuff that we're covering here, by the way, we're talking about the new releases.
Tulsi Gabbard just made another release today, 46 pages completely refuting the statement we just read.
Now, mind you, the statement we read earlier was from Obama's spokesperson where he said this, out of respect for the office of the presidency, our office doesn't normally dignify the constant nonsense and misinformation flowing out of this White House with a response, but these claims are outrageous enough to merit one.
These bizarre allegations are ridiculous in a weak attempt at distraction.
Nothing in the document issued last week undercuts the widely accepted conclusion that Russia worked to influence the 2016 presidential election, but did not successfully manipulate any votes.
These findings were affirmed in 2020 report by a bipartisan committee, Senate Intelligence Committee, led by then-Chairman Marco Rubio.
Okay.
So basically his response is.
Yeah, so what?
You released documents that showed there was no Russian interference.
It doesn't change the fact that, you know, we basically admitted it in 2020.
You know, four years, five years after the fact.
But even, it gets even better because DNI, Tulsi Gabbard today released another set of documents, as I said, 46 pages just came out this morning that basically prove that Obama lied in his yesterday, in that statement that he just put out yesterday.
So the report proves that Obama directly gave the order to publish the Russia collusion hoax, knowing there was no proof that Putin backed Trump.
And the specific portion that is highlighted in the document says this, Quote, most of the 15 were unremarkable, but three contained flawed information, and these three became foundational sources of intelligence community assessment cited to claim Putin's aspired to help Trump win, or Putin aspired to help Trump win.
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Some of the latter was unclear or from unknown known subsources, but would nonetheless be published after the election over the objections of veteran officers on the orders of director of CIA and cited in the intelligence community assessment to support claims that Putin aspired to help Trump win.
So to clarify, and these are two respectively separate portions of a set of documents released by Tulsi Gabbard, to clarify, they knew it was fake, they knew there was no implication, and they published it anyway at the order of President Obama.
But Jeffrey Epstein, you know, I mean, Jeffrey Epstein probably was the guy who, him and Trump were the ones working with Obama and forcing Obama, you know, a gunpoint.
It's like, it's just, it's such whataboutism that the left has left.
They have nothing left.
I would be weary and cautious and looking out for some kind of false flag attack or some kind of major narrative disruption, economic or otherwise, to keep, to shift the narrative away from this.
Because it's that big.
So the projection, I don't even care.
It's like, tell me more about Epstein.
That's fine.
I'm all for it.
But let's also look at this.
Let's be able to walk and chew bubblegum at the same time.
And let's be adults.
And let's say we can look at both things simultaneously.
We don't have to choose one or the other.
Even though the media is trying to make it into this, well, you can't have it both ways.
You can't have the Epstein story and Obama.
That just isn't allowable.
It reminds me of when the Wikileaks emails got published and, you know, what's the other, the Cuomo brother that was on CNN?
I forget, Chris Cuomo or, yeah, Chris Cuomo.
He got out there and said, we are reporters and we can read the contents of the WikiLeaks email and we will tell you what's in them.
But if you read these, it's basically treason.
It's a crime.
Really?
Really, Chris?
I wasn't aware of that.
But so that's what that is.
And I just, you have to look at this stuff and just kind of go, okay, all right.
Will Obama be brought up on trial?
I don't know.
I doubt it.
If history is any indicator, we will be told everything and then nothing will happen.
But for all those, you know, influencers out there, it's going to feel pretty good to say, I told you so.
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And I'm probably equally guilty of enjoying that cathartically.
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But I don't care.
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It's like, this is just unequivocally wrong what was done.
So I got some clips I want to play from basically Epstein.
This interview that was done.
Amazing interview.
Tucker Carlson does it again.
Tucker Carlson does it again with this interview he put forward, which I want to see.
I had it pulled up here, but now I don't.
So I'll have to find that.
I had all these clips lined up for you guys.
Yeah, here we are.
So let's take a second and listen to some of these clips, okay?
Daryl Cooper and Tucker Carlson, right?
Daryl Cooper is the host of a, you know, podcast.
He's a researcher.
He's got a lot of great information.
And I'm telling you right now that we got to listen to some of this stuff.
It's just a lot of this stuff needs to be heard.
And this is, and again, I'm encouraging everybody to go listen to the full three-hour podcast.
Okay.
Let's just start here, though.
Let's listen to some clips from it.
You have to ask, what is it that a guy like Douglas Leese Would be what interest would he have in a guy like Jeffrey Epstein?
Even if he was a moneyman of some kind, presumably a guy like that can.
Okay, let me give context to this real quick first.
He's talking about Douglas Leese.
Okay, so the context of this so far is that we're going through the history in this podcast of Jeffrey Epstein, right?
Where he came from.
So Jeffrey Epstein is a college dropout who gets a job at a really prestigious high school teaching mathematics, which is run by the father of Bill Barr, Donald Barr, who's a really weird guy who writes science fiction about underage, you know, girls being sexually active with aliens.
It's really weird stuff, right?
And he himself, Donald Barr, Bill Barr's father, worked for the OSS, which was the precursor to the CIA.
And this is one of the most prestigious high schools.
I think it's in New York City.
And Jeffrey Epstein gets hired after dropping out of college after two years.
And he's working for Donald Barr.
And then he gets fired.
Many people believe that it was because he was basically perving out and doing weird stuff with the girls in his classroom.
And that's why he gets fired almost immediately from that job after about a year.
And then he goes from there and asks Donald Barr to put a word in with him at the time, the head of Bear Stearns.
So then Jeffrey Epstein gets this job at Bear Stearns, and he first starts working on the options desk there, but then quickly realizes that he's bored with it.
He doesn't like it.
So then he gets moved over to this sort of special accounting firm, which essentially is a way, it's a part of Bear Stearns where they offer this service to high profile individuals to basically offshore their money and obfuscate tax obligation.
And he becomes really good at that.
And I think he works there for about four years or so until he gets fired for some major SEC violation, right?
He basically does something he shouldn't have done, and it comes out and he has to be fired and he leaves the job.
Well, then we don't really know what happens other than he starts working with this lease character who's being talked about in this clip.
And then all of a sudden he finds himself on a jet going to the Pentagon.
And this is where the real story of Epstein begins.
Let's listen to this clip here.
Would be what interest would he have in a guy like Jeffrey Epstein?
Even if he was a moneyman of some kind, presumably a guy like that can have any money man he wants.
Why does he need a guy like Jeffrey Epstein?
And I think the answer is, and this is the answer that a lot of researchers have come to over the years, and I think it's the most obvious one, at least, simplest, is that when you look at the kind of things that somebody like Lise would do, it's not as if Lise owned a weapons manufacturer.
That's not what he did.
He was a fixer.
He was a guy who made the deals happen.
He made sure the right people got paid off and that everything was kind of smoothed over so that these things would go through.
He was mentioned, for example, in the UK Parliament in the 1980s in reference to the Eliama weapons deal with Saudi Arabia, which is the biggest weapons deal in UK history, I think, to this day.
BAE Systems alone has made $46 billion off this deal over the years.
And I think that was up through 2010 or something, so it's probably higher now.
But there have been allegations from politicians, from lawyers, journalists, other weapons companies who were upset about their competition getting a leg up this way, that there was bribery, there was all kinds of shady stuff going on behind the scenes to make sure that the deal went the way that they wanted it to go.
And you think that a guy like Lise, whose job is to go around and make sure that people are being paid off with illicit funds that cannot be traced, because then you end up like Lockheed Martin did when they got caught bribing officials in Japan to sign off on a weapons deal there.
Nobody wants that.
You got to hide your money better.
You got to figure out how to do that in a way that nobody's going to track it.
And that's why you need a guy like Jeffrey Epstein.
You're not going to be able to walk in the front door of Goldman Sachs and say, I need to talk to one of your money managers.
Hey, can you launder this money for me?
You need a guy who's morally compromised, who is willing to get down in the dirt and do this kind of work.
And that is what Jeffrey Epstein had just spent the last four years at Bear Stearns doing.
Okay, so there you go.
Epstein figured out how to get good at this.
That's what he was doing.
And then the story progresses to connect him not just to this Lease character who was working with the Pentagon.
That's where they're on a, at one point in the story, it begins sort of his career with, you know, Epstein and Lise, I think his name Max Leese, or whatever his name was, on this plane going to the Pentagon.
Why are they taking meetings at the Pentagon?
Yes.
Why is Epstein taking meetings at the Pentagon?
Well, then we get into Adnan Khashoggi and Iran-Contra and the money laundering and the weapons trafficking.
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We have a series of clips again I'm playing from this interview with Daryl Cooper and Tar Carlson.
Now I want to stress again, this is what is so key to understanding the Epstein stuff, right?
You know, people want to focus, and I think they didn't intentionally want us hyper-focused on the sex, you know, trafficking of the women stuff.
And I know blackmail, it's all bad.
It's all bad.
We're not saying it's good.
But again, the reason they want you to think Epstein was everything but what he actually was, which was a money fixer working for the intelligence agencies who helped the U.S. government in a number of different ways to do things like Iran-Contra, which was smuggling guns, again, from the U.S. into Israel so it could be sold into Iran, so it could fight Baghdad or fight Saddam Hussein in Iraq because that was their big concern at the time was Iraq getting too powerful.
So they had to, and this is all, then that's the whole Iran-Contra thing.
And then we get into, you know, Epstein's role in all of that, right?
He was basically working for them in that capacity.
That's why he's dead.
That's why Robert Maxwell's dead.
That's why Audnon Khashoggi's dead.
And you go dead, disappeared, whatever, okay?
If Epstein's in some cell or he's in some witness protection or whatever, it doesn't matter.
He's been disappeared.
So I'm playing all these clips.
And again, I encourage you to go listen to the full three-hour podcast because a lot of this information is just incredibly valuable to understanding why what's left of the Epstein case sitting in the FBI vault or the FBI files room or the FBI evidence locker.
What's left of that case is just a hollow husk of what the truth of it was.
And you can bet your bottom dollar that just like they did with the Russia hoax, just like they did with every other hoax, they left or planted evidence to implicate Donald Trump because that's what they do.
And that's how the intelligence agencies work.
Because clearly what we've gone through the first half of the show explaining was that there was a concerted and coordinated effort by Obama, Clapper, Brennan, Comey, Biden, and the rest to frame Trump as a Russian agent.
Why would they try to do that?
Because they didn't want Trump to come in and expose all this crap that's being exposed.
Anyway, let's keep listening.
There are several clips here that are very important.
Let's keep going.
The thing that people are really interested in this story about, I mean, there's the tabloid aspect of it.
You know, I think there's a lot of people out there who just, there's always talk about the Epstein list.
You know, they want there to be a safe that the FBI opens up or drills a hole and cracks into.
And then there's just a ledger of, you know, signed in blood, I, Jeffrey Epstein, you know, compromise these famous movie stars and politicians on these dates.
That's what people want.
They're not going to get that.
That kind of thing doesn't exist.
The really interesting aspect of it is encapsulated in just one incident, which happened in, I guess this came out after Epstein was arrested during the first Trump administration, that Alexander Acosta, who was Trump's labor secretary at the time, he had been the U.S. Attorney in the Southern District of Florida in charge of prosecuting Epstein's first sex crimes case back in the mid-2000s.
And we'll get to all this later, but Epstein was given a very, very, to call it a light sentence is being very generous in how we describe it.
I'll get into the details of how it all came together and what the actual sentence was later.
But he was asked in his vetting process, Alexander Acosta, hey, if this comes up, this is a potential scandal.
You gave this pedophile with all these victims against, you know, they had like 40 witnesses in that 2007, 2008 case.
I mean, on the record, Corroborating each other's stories independently.
I mean, this was the most open and shut case you can imagine.
We'll get into the case here in a bit.
But he was asked, How could you, you know, what's your excuse for giving this guy the deal that you gave him?
Because it's kind of crazy.
And he said, Well, I was told that Epstein belonged to intelligence and to leave it alone.
And again, there are many people out there that will say, you know, Trump, well, then this implicates Trump because Trump must have selected Alexander Acosta to be the Secretary of Labor or the Labor Secretary because he did this, looked the other way on the Epstein case.
And I, from what I've gathered through especially a lot of the information and research I've done, is that he was actually chosen in spite of it, right?
It came up in the vetting process.
That's where that attributable quote comes from.
Trump's vetting process is where the attributable quote that Alexander Acosta said Epstein was an intelligence asset comes from, as a matter of fact.
And not only that, that that was leaked through the Trump administration to the public.
And that later, when people say he refuted that, Acosta that is, he actually never refuted it.
He literally said verbatim, you cannot believe everything you hear in the media.
And the Justice Department official policy is not to comment on ongoing investigations or whatever.
So that is one thing.
Now there's another thing here where you look at the connections, right?
Robert Maxwell, Adnan Khashoggi, what was, I think, Max Leese.
All of these characters had one thing in common.
They were all fixers for intelligence.
They were all working as like sort of wise guy in fixers.
You know, you're bribing people, you're paying people off, you're helping set up the offshore accounts, you're doing the books for them, or you're helping get the books done for them so they can do these operations.
And again, this is the story of Epstein, right?
This is the story they don't want to talk about.
They want to talk about, you know, he did these things to girls, which, yes, sick, it's bad, he's evil, right?
And then they want to attach that to all the politicians.
And yeah, that's bad too, if it's true.
But why are we never going to know the truth about Epstein?
It's not because of all that.
Trust me, it's because of all this.
It's because of Iran-Contra.
It's because of the guns that were being sold to Israel that were funneled to Iran.
It's because of what Epstein was doing in that capacity that we will, that they've said, and even Trump's own administration now has said, we can't put this out publicly.
So everybody keeps saying, well, Trump's diverting our attention right now with the whole Obama committing treason thing away from the Epstein files because he's implicated in it.
And it's like.
Well, the reason the FBI and the DOJ has come out and said that there's nothing there and that it's never going to be released is not because they're covering up for Trump.
It's because they're covering up for the entire intelligence community and what they were doing and what is so clearly outlined in this, particularly this podcast where they go through the history, like the anthology of what happened with Epstein from his inception as a teacher to all of a sudden him being this billionaire playboy, right?
I have other clips I want to play.
The Maxwell clip here is interesting.
Let's see if we can get it started before the break.
I remember when Anthony Blinken became Secretary of State.
And, you know, I had been following the Epstein story and just all the connections with it for a long time by then.
And so I knew that Anthony Blinken's stepfather was Robert Maxwell's closest confidant, his lawyer, and the last person to speak to him before he died.
Before he was murdered.
Yeah, probably, yeah.
And we'll get to that too.
But it's like I've learned over the years not to place too many demands on our ruling class.
You know, I don't want to get all crazy.
I'm not going to tell you guys to stop taking bribes.
I'm not going to, that's all fine.
Just keep the bribes.
Can we have one major public official that is not a single degree separated from Jeffrey Epstein?
Is that possible?
Because apparently it's not possible.
You got Donald Trump talking about the issue the other day on camera, and the guy standing next to him is Howard Luttnick, who was Epstein's neighbor for years, you know.
In New York, I'm forgetting.
It's like, can we just get like one important person who's not one degree or less separated from the most prolific mass pedophile in U.S. history?
Is that possible?
Yep.
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We just heard there another clip from the Daryl Cooper Tucker Carlson interview podcast, Three Hours.
It's worth listening to, where he talked about how basically Anthony Blinken's stepfather is Robert Maxwell's closest confidant, right?
And then he even at the end there talked about how Howard Luttnick is one of Trump's advisors and he is connected to Epstein through property transactions.
And that's basically it's frustrating to see so many people connected to Epstein in our government, right?
In and around our government.
So Anthony Blink and Howard Luttnick, these are officials from both administrations.
Now, I think the point, though, here is that people will take this however they want.
I'm not going to tell people how to take this, but many people will say, oh, well, that's proof that Trump's in on it and everybody's in on it and it's all a big game.
Well, yes, yes, they are, but I don't know that I agree with what the implications that they're in on.
They're in on the intelligence community and it's in on everything.
Listen, the IC has a piece of every game in town.
They have action in every game in town, political or otherwise, political, corporate, you name it, they have a piece of the action.
Mark my words.
Yes, they do.
So when you see these people and you see them all sort of in this, you know, they're in the sphere, right?
That is by design.
But anyway, we have more clips.
I want to play more.
Here's talking about the Iran-Contra connection, the Efstein scandal.
Let's listen to this.
The idea was we're going to sell weapons to Iran, which we're not allowed to do, but we are allowed to sell weapons to Israel.
And Israel has a lot of the same weapon systems that we want to send to Iran.
So we're going to sell them to Israel.
Israel, working through guys like Adnan Khashoggi, are going to get their weapons to Iran, get these weapons to Iran.
And we're not selling anything to Iran.
We're selling to Israel.
Iran's going to pay a premium for these weapons.
And that premium is off the books, and that is going to be used to support the Contras.
And so that was basically the scheme.
And remember, who was Jeffrey Epstein's sole client for many years and the year specifically in question for the Iran-Contra scandal?
Adnan Khashoggi.
So the guy who was facilitating the weapons deals to Israel, right, that were being given to Iran, his financier, fixer, whatever, is Jeffrey Epstein.
And again, this is why you're starting to understand why Trump's DOJ looked into this and his FBI and his CIA and all that, they looked into it and they went, yeah, no, we can't disclose this to the public.
It's like having the expectation that they're going to come out and say, which they already have, I guess, but without like 60 years, 70 years passing, and they'll be like, oh, yeah, we did 9-11.
You know, totally did 9-11.
Don't worry about that.
It's like, I don't think they're going to come out and say it, guys.
I just, I don't, they have national security implication, right?
National security threat mitigation is one consideration that is weighed against legal and ethical accountability.
And decisions are made by officials who are given the capacity to make the decisions as to which takes precedent, whether the national security threat mitigation takes precedent over the legal and ethical accountability obligation.
So you have to make, there's a balance and there's a formula and they follow it and I don't like it.
I don't think it's great.
I think it has pros and cons.
It's good and bad.
But that's just the way it is.
Unfortunately.
Or fortunately.
Depending on how you feel about the whole thing.
I think I have time for one more clip.
Let's just play this final clip.
And again, I encourage you, Daryl Cooper, Tucker Carlson.
It came out last week, I believe.
It's worth watching in its entirety, three hours.
But let's listen to this final clip.
The question that all this bears on, the purpose of this interview, the purpose of all questions that I've ever raised with Epstein, go back to one central question, which is who runs the world?
who's making the decisions and on whose behalf.
This idea that, you know, there are all these 100 and whatever nation states each acting in its own...
And so what is true?
This may point us in that direction.
Yeah, you know, one of the things that when you go back to the 1980s, I mean, it's just such a fascinating time because in the Iran-Contra deal, Mike Benz likes to point this out, and he's great on all of the Epstein stuff in the 80s and just a lot of the intelligence shenanigans in general going on back then, is that it really provides a window into the question you're asking right now.
Who runs the world?
Like, who's actually in charge of everything that's going on?
How is power structured and how does it operate really in the world?
And if you go back to the Church and Pike committee hearings, and then you roll into the Carter administration, where he brings Admiral Stansfield Turner in to run the CIA and basically gives him a directive to pare down the agency's operational commitments and the things that it does in the field, start focusing more on what Truman thought he was getting himself into, which was a batch of analysts to help keep the president informed as he made decisions.
And by all accounts, as far as I know, Admiral Turner tried to do that job with some enthusiasm.
But you get to the point where by the 1980s, the CIA's ability to operate is under a lot of scrutiny and limited in ways that it never had been before.
I mean, you go back to 50s, 60s, and 70s, and I mean, they were just cowboys.
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They're visiting Jack Ruby in prison and turning him crazy.
Right.
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You have like one of the former heads of the National Endowment for Democracy on the record in an interview, almost bragging in his tone, saying, we do all the jobs that the CIA used to do.
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We should also lay down our lives for our brothers.
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there is an element of sacrifice involved with true love where we give to others even if it is at our own detriment.
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