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🔥SHOCK Report - The COVID Dossier! A Coordinated Global Military Operation - Feb. 4, 2025

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	Hello world and welcome to the Shannon Joy show.
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	It is Tuesday, February 4th, well into another very busy broadcast week.
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	We have a big show for you today.
	Two unbelievable guests.
	You saw the headline, Shock Report.
	The COVID dossier has launched Debbie Lerman and Sasha Latapova.
	An exhaustive work.
	They have found definitively a coordinated global military operation.
	That was COVID-19.
	They have an exclusive report today to give to all of you.
	We're going to go through it with a fine tooth comb.
	Give them a lot of time today to go through this report.
	It is absolutely critical that people understand.
	That not only did this happen in 2020, but it is continuing to happen today.
	On February 4th, today, this is the anniversary of 2020, an international military assault.
	On national and individual sovereignty was launched in America and across the world.
	It had nothing to do with health.
	It had nothing to do with a virus.
	It had everything to do with power and reshaping the world according.
	To the desires of an elite global cabal.
	The COVID dossier is groundbreaking and exhaustive work that was done by friends of The Shannon Joy Show, Sasha Latapova and Debbie Lerman, who were very, very early whistleblowers in 2020 about what was really going on.
	And they have contributed to the work of the medical freedom community from the dark days of lockdown.
	Up until today, even as many in our movement are celebrating the victory of Donald Trump and the incoming Doja under Elon Musk, they are continuing to ring the alarm bells.
	This report states, by providing all of this information in one place, we hope to dispel the notion that COVID was a public health event.
	Managed independently by each country's public health agencies with some limited logistically focused military involvement.
	We also hope to drive home the shocking realization that not only were military and intelligence agencies in charge of COVID in all of these countries, but the response To what was represented as a public health crisis was coordinated through military alliances, including NATO. And they have an enormous amount.
	This report is 12 pages printed out, each page containing source documentation and links that probably are the equivalent of hundreds, if not hundreds.
	Thousands of pages of original documents and government contracts and leaked audio.
	And this establishes definitively that this was not an accident.
	It wasn't mismanagement.
	It wasn't about COVID-19, a pandemic, or a novel virus.
	This was a direct military operation.
	And it is continuing, in my opinion.
	They might not share that.
	But in my opinion, according to our analysis, it's continuing today.
	So today, Debbie and Sasha.
	are going to join me on this show to go over this report in detail and also set the record straight according to what really happened during the lockdowns of 2020. So we're going to deliver that report in the first hour of the Shannon Joy Show and in the second half, the last 30 minutes.
	I hope to open this up to all of you on the live chat.
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	Our amazing producer, Annie, is going to be keeping an eye out on all of you here on the live chat and grabbing those comments and questions, and we'll try to address them at the end of the show.
	Before we get to Sasha and Debbie, I do want to say hello to all of you.
	CM1968 is with us on the live chat.
	You look amazing.
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	Rothenwalker says this, Shannon, sorry to hear of your frustration getting people or with people who are coming at you because you're calling out Trump and Musk.
	You're right.
	Stick to the truth.
	Thank you, Rothenwalker.
	I really appreciate that.
	I've been getting hammered lately.
	I posted out on Twitter from...
	Pretty much friendly fire.
	A lot of people in the medical freedom community, internally, externally, you name it, because I'm being critical of the incoming God King and his protege, Elon Musk, who also thinks he's a God King, by the way.
	And it's not fun.
	So what I hear back from you and all of you, the support that you guys send out, keeping me focused, keeping my nose to the grindstone, independent, it's so, so helpful.
	Thank you so much, Rothen Walker.
	Really appreciate you.
	And yeah, we're not going to back down.
	I'm not going to back down.
	It sucks.
	It's not fun.
	But the truth is more important, I think, than even some of these collaborations.
	And hopefully we can keep it all friendly.
	And hopefully more and more people will realize what is going down.
	So I really appreciate that.
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	Zen Woman, thank you so much.
	You guys are amazing.
	Absolutely.
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	Love to see Bill.
	Bill Benz was one of the very first Shannon Joy Show listeners back in the days when I was broadcasting out of a 5,000-watt radio station out of a double-wide trailer in a cornfield.
	That's how we started 12 years ago, by the way.
	And Bill Benz is one of the very first listeners.
	Bill, it is so great to see you.
	We've come a long way, baby, right?
	Here on the Shannon Joy Show.
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	I mean, these are people that I know.
	These are people who have stood on street corners with me protesting.
	There's not a street corner I haven't been on.
	I know that sounds bad.
	In Rochester, but protesting, okay?
	Protesting.
	That's what we're doing on the street corners.
	You guys are so unbelievable.
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	March 29th, it's the Summit for Truth and Wellness here in Rochester, New York.
	We're going to grab people from all over the nation.
	Seating is limited.
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	You're going to hear about that next week.
	Okay.
	Without further ado.
	Well, I'm glad I made you laugh, Mav 2022. Okay.
	Without further ado, let's bring in the ladies.
	Did I entertain you girls as well with that?
	Most people don't know that.
	Humble beginnings for the Shannon Joy Show.
	I like the street corner, Shannon.
	That, too.
	That, too.
	Listen, in 2020, you couldn't swing a dead cat without hitting me on a street corner somewhere protesting something.
	If it wasn't the masks, it was the vaccines, it was the school lockdowns, you name it, I was there.
	It was great.
	I saw footage of you being arrested, Shannon.
	That, too.
	That, too.
	It was great.
	Just add that.
	Cuffed and stuffed at a school board meeting.
	My husband was mortified.
	My children were mortified.
	It was, you know, and that was overmasking.
	So, yeah, it's been fun.
	It's been fun, you guys.
	Now they know that you're a hero, Shannon.
	Oh, well, you know.
	You guys are amazing.
	Of course, guys, long-term friends of the Shannon Joy Show, Debbie Lerman and Sasha Latapova, both also warriors in their own right, understanding what was going on in the dark days of COVID-19 very early and putting out an absolute wealth of information to the best researchers.
	That came out of the dark days of COVID. So thank you, ladies, for being with us today here on the Shannon Joy Show.
	Thank you.
	Thank you for having us.
	Yeah.
	So it's tough when we have three people.
	So what I would like to do is less of me, more of the two of you, and really give the two of you the opportunity to spend some time with this audience and go through this report, which is incredibly, incredibly important, namely because no one...
	And Washington, D.C., not Donald Trump, not Elon Musk, not RFK, and much of the medical freedom movement are ignoring A massive elephant in the room, a massive truth that is being completely obscured by the people who are now being tasked with a reckoning for COVID-19, which I know you guys are probably just as skeptical as I am about all of that.
	But it is an exhaustive report, and it was an enormous amount of work for both of you.
	And so I really want to give you guys this platform and kind of take a step back and let the two of you talk about it.
	And tell the audience about it.
	The only time you'll really hear from me is when we have to go to a quick break and I'll cut in and maybe if I have a question or something.
	But I'd really love to just start with this question and I'll let you guys take it from there.
	This was an exhaustive report.
	It was released today.
	You've released it on multiple platforms.
	You're just on with Neil Oliver, which is amazing.
	And you're going to be doing the media round, so you guys are going to hear a lot more from Debbie and Sasha.
	But let's start here just with the big question.
	Why did you think...
	That this documentation was so necessary.
	Here we are four years after COVID lockdowns.
	Our guys are in office.
	We're supposed to be winning.
	There's just so much winning.
	I can't take it.
	Why do we have to go back and drag up COVID-19 again and 2020, you know, everyone's calling us Debbie Downers and Have No Funzers and Black Pillars, okay?
	I know you guys have gotten it as well, but let's start there with why this is important and why we cannot forget.
	What really happened in 2020?
	Sasha, you want to start with that?
	Right.
	So I guess when Debbie contacted me about this project to compile the dossier, I had the same level of frustration as she had, because I have been talking about the military nature of this operation of COVID and how it was coordinated through the intelligence and military apparatus in the United States.
	And so did Debbie, and she uncovered some really key documents.
	And you would think that this would be headline news everywhere, at least in the alternative.
	I understand that the mainstream journalism is no longer there, but at least all the alternative journalists and especially health community should have been all over it and investigating just like we are.
	Yet what we're seeing today, especially four years afterwards, we're seeing kind of a stage of pacification and control.
	We're being managed into...
	There was a public health crisis.
	There were some mistakes made.
	And let's, next time we have a pandemic, do some things better.
	But, you know, maybe not too much masking.
	Maybe some mandates were too much.
	But no accountability.
	No, really, none.
	So even when Trump issued the EO letting all the military that was dismissed because of the vaccine mandates back with back pay, where is the accountability for those who are injured and dead?
	None.
	Not even acknowledging that they exist.
	It's like, oh, you know, mistake we made.
	Let's get you back and keep working for those people who tried to kill you.
	And here's some back pay.
	You know, this is outrageous, in my opinion.
	You know, so anyway, so this level of frustration and when Debbie contacted me, I was like, yes, this is a great idea.
	Let's compile this for several countries so we have clear evidence that it's not just United States.
	It's not just the Netherlands.
	They coordinated globally, and the laws that were invoked were about CBRN, which is chemical, radiological, biological nuclear attack, or weapons of mass destruction attack, rather than public health.
	But nobody was told, and they're still not acknowledging this.
	So that's why we decided to put this together and we decided to make it very dry facts only, references only, remove our own interpretation from it as much as possible and just disseminate it widely and see if independent journalists want to continue investigating, want to cover this and start talking about this.
	Right.
	Debbie, what were your thoughts?
	What was your reasoning?
	Probably similar to Sasha's, but how...
	What were you feeling as we are just moving past us?
	It's like an ultimate gaslight.
	It's as if it didn't happen.
	It's truly breathtaking how they're erasing the four years of pain and suffering for so many millions of Americans, and it's just poof, gone.
	Yeah, and so the frustration was both the erasing of that, as you described it, Shannon, and also, as Sasha said, Shannon, you mentioned this in the introduction.
	This is not an isolated event.
	This is a continuum of developments that have been going on for decades.
	Some people would say centuries.
	I haven't researched that, but I do know that for decades, some processes have been developing that led up to COVID and those processes and the structures that have been created.
	Are still in place, and they are still moving forward, and so things are still happening.
	So no matter who is elected President of the United States, and no matter who the billionaires are who are supporting and working with that President of the United States, the processes and the structures that caused COVID, that led COVID, that caused all the destruction and damage of COVID are still in place.
	And so far, I haven't seen much evidence from this particular administration that there's any kind of desire to Change that.
	And so it's really important, especially now when everybody is so much hoping for change and hoping that having a new U.S. administration is somehow going to solve all the world's problems.
	Let's first look at what those problems are so that we can actually figure out whether they are really trying to solve them or whether they are part of the problem.
	Right.
	Do you think the announcement of Stargate, that was with Larry Ellison, and then also the recent executive order yesterday establishing a sovereign wealth fund, Howard Lutnick stating that one of their first investments will be in the purchase of 2 billion mRNA vaccines.
	So just those two, I mean, they seem to be extensions of of COVID and COVID-era protocols rather than any type of turning back.
	Sasha?
	Right.
	So the Stargate, in my opinion, is, again, it's an evidence of this public-private partnership continuing what they set out to do through COVID. And this is a profiteering exercise of The technologies that are dangerous, untested, unregulated.
	Simultaneously with that Stargate, Trump signed an emergency declaration for energy now.
	Which, of course, you know, because they need numerous, these data centers, these gigantic data centers require power.
	It requires potentially nuclear power plants being fired back up again.
	Now, I'm not against nuclear power plants.
	I think they're fine.
	But signing the emergency declaration makes the space now unregulated, just like the vaccine space is unregulated.
	So they can quickly bring online a lot of power infrastructure without much of the regulation for safety.
	So again, are we asking for nuclear disasters now?
	And Chernobyl, anyone?
	So that's my concern with that, because they're so eager to profiteer from their public-private partnerships, nothing stands in their way.
	Now, and as far as the sovereign fund, I guess briefly we were discussing, I know Trump mentioned that...
	A long time ago, several times.
	And even at that time, I was like, this is absurd because U.S. has a reserve currency.
	Sovereign funds generally are those nations that have, first of all, they have trade surplus.
	For example, Norway, because of the oil reserves, has a sovereign fund.
	So they have surplus in trade and they need to place it somewhere.
	And they also need to hedge against the fluctuation of the dollar because they don't control the reserve currency.
	And those circumstances justify a sovereign fund.
	Now, we're a deeply indebted nation, and we also have the reserve currency.
	And so what is the justification for the sovereign fund?
	Other than nobody wants his mRNA vaccines, people reject them.
	At least 77% of the U.S. population are now officially anti-vaxxers because they're not taking their 9th and 10th shot.
	And so the only way for them to continue buying from their public-private partnership and profiteering off of this is tricks like this.
	You know, let's declare a sovereign fund.
	Yeah.
	Yeah, it doesn't seem, it seems like, hey, meet the new boss, same as the old boss.
	And this is why, you know, I would love to be celebrating.
	I would love to be celebrating with all of our friends, right?
	You know, one of the things I've noticed, this is just a side note, and then Debbie, I want to go to you to kind of introduce this dossier and begin to break it apart for the audience.
	I have noticed that the dissenting voices are primarily women right now.
	And I don't know why that is, but I'm thankful for you, Sasha.
	I'm thankful for you, Debbie, Catherine Austin, Fitz, Naomi Wolf, Whitney Webb, Emerald Robinson, Dana Lashford to some extent, Mel Kay, Dr. Mary Tally Bowden, Dr. Kin Lindley, Lynn Fenderella.
	I mean, these are the voices that I'm seeing out there that are asking questions.
	In fact, in the show notes of the Shannon Joy show, Very important one-hour video of Naomi Wolf breaking down why Doge is such a dangerous institution, especially given what happened over the weekend, which I'll ask Sasha about a little bit later in this discussion, and also Debbie, Elon Musk, gaining access, basically having a cozy weekend with all trillions of dollars worth of private...
	Individual and government data, it's unbelievable.
	It's unbelievable how dangerous this is.
	And thank you to Naomi Wolf for laying it out so clearly.
	You will learn so much in exactly one hour.
	So that is linked in the show notes of the Shannon Joy Show, along with the COVID dossier, a link to this very important document.
	Let's start here with you, Debbie.
	Let's introduce this.
	Just talk about the nature of the research and the collaboration between you and Sasha.
	And what is the content of this dossier?
	It is the definitive truth about what was really going on in 2020 and beyond with the COVID lockdowns and the COVID operation.
	But can you let us know?
	What is the essence of this dossier?
	Sure.
	Yeah, thanks.
	So the essence of the dossier is to compile in one place the research that Sasha and I have been doing over the last few years and that many others have contributed to.
	In their various countries, people have been doing research about their own government's response.
	But we felt that it was very important to put it all in one place because when you publish just about what the US government is doing or the UK government is doing or somebody in the Netherlands is doing, it's easy to ignore and sort of downplay.
	But if you show that the same thing happened in multiple countries with multiple governments, so our dossier contains information about the COVID response as it was carried out in the United States.
	The UK, Canada, Australia, the Netherlands, Germany, and Italy.
	And I thank you for saying that it's definitive.
	What we have in there is definitive in the sense that it is all referenced and resourced and true.
	It is not definitive in the sense that we need a lot more from all the other countries that were part of the global...
	Coordination of the COVID response.
	So part of the reason for the dossier is to present all the evidence that we have so far.
	And the other part is to call for anyone who has any more information to please come forward and also for independent journalists and researchers and citizen journalists and anyone who's interested to start pursuing this line of investigation.
	Because it's not enough that just...
	Sasha and I are investigating this.
	We need a lot, and some people in the Netherlands who have done amazing work, and some people in the UK who have done amazing work, and some people in Australia, but again...
	We need a lot more people to be involved with this.
	Debbie, what do you think the hesitancy is within the medical freedom community to acknowledge that this was a military operation, and not only a military operation, but an internationally-led military operation?
	Why the pushback?
	Because what I see from the medical freedom community in so many of the biggest names...
	Within the medical freedom community is, well, some mistakes were made.
	Well, it was, you know, it came out of a lab in Wuhan.
	Well, you know, we could do some things differently.
	Let's move on.
	Like, what do you think is holding back?
	And I'll go to you too, Sasha, after we go to Debbie.
	And why is it a problem?
	I mean, I think it's a huge problem that we are not even really allowed to discuss this.
	Yeah, that's a great question.
	I mean, I think there's many different aspects to this.
	I think there are people in the medical freedom community that have been paying attention or that are willing to listen.
	And I have to say that the Brownstone Institute, where I started working on this, I know different people have different opinions about it.
	But for me, that was the place that enabled me to do my research, that published my research, and that got my research out there.
	So I'm very thankful for that.
	The problem is that it is Not put in context.
	So I can put out an article and it can get a lot of response and a lot of attention at the moment, but then other things come up and it gets buried and nobody else is doing that work.
	And the reason I think nobody wants to do it is because, first of all, it involves information that is classified.
	So what people have to understand about the COVID dossier and the reason why we called it a dossier is because it's trying to reveal information that others are trying to hide from us.
	Our governments are trying to hide this information from us.
	Now, it's very, very hard for people to accept and understand that their government is trying to hide information from them.
	About something that was so harmful and so destructive to them.
	So first, that's the number one thing that I encounter all the time, is disbelief and an unwillingness to accept that regardless of which political party is in charge, regardless of which politicians are saying, are having committee hearings and having questionings of people like...
	Fauci, they are hiding things from us and that's what Sasha and I are trying to uncover.
	We're not trying to talk about the public health agencies and mistakes that they made because that's not what COVID was.
	And that's the easy way to talk about it because nothing is classified and all the documents are there and they don't really show anything.
	In congressional hearings, it's very easy to ask about what did Fauci do and what did the NIH do, but it's very difficult to haul in somebody from the National Security Council.
	Patel, Kash Patel, I'm looking at you.
	So people who were in the National Security Council during COVID. Let's bring them in front of a congressional committee and ask them, what did the National Security Council, what was the role of the National Security Council?
	Because the first document that I discovered that alerted me to the fact that the response was definitely not a public health response was the document that showed that the National Security Council was in charge of the policy for the COVID response.
	And so I don't think people want to look at that, but I also think it's very hard.
	To look at it.
	Because we need whistleblowers.
	So, for instance, in our dossier, the reason that we're publishing it today, which is February 4th, is it's the fifth year anniversary for an incredible scoop that Sasha had that nobody paid attention to or not enough people.
	I did, and Brownstone did, and Sasha did, and not a lot of other people did.
	And that is that there is a recording that Sasha obtained.
	And Sasha, I'm going to let you talk about it because you obtained it.
	Yeah.
	So the recording we're talking about is a recording from an executive meeting at AstraZeneca at the end of 2020, when they were congratulating each other with the success of Operation Warp Speed and had this executive meeting.
	And somebody anonymously sent me a six-minute portion of it.
	So in a six-minute segment, which I've published, I gave it to you, Shannon.
	I gave it to a bunch of other journalists.
	Pascal Soro, who is the CEO of AstraZeneca, is talking with Mark Esser, who is the VP for monoclonal antibodies.
	And they recount the story, how this all happened.
	They are saying, we were approached in 2017 by DARPA, which is part of DOD, Advanced Research and Development Agency.
	Within DOD, specifically Colonel Matt Hepburn, with the idea that the DOD will be identifying some novel viruses and the pharmaceutical companies in this consortium will be making vaccines and therapeutics for them in 60 days or less.
	Wow.
	Right.
	And that was the reaction of Mark Esser, who is...
	Experienced drug developer, he said, I thought it was science fiction first.
	Well, that was a correct reaction because it is science fiction.
	You can't develop novel vaccines and therapeutics in 60 days.
	And the idea that, you know, so this whole idea, they were being asked to do fraud for the DoD.
	Now, the money was very convincing, of course, and so they closed their eyes and continued working on this, playing science.
	And then Mark Esser says that we received a phone call.
	From the DOD on February 4th, 2020, telling us that COVID was declared a national security threat and that we should switch to COVID products now from what we've been working on.
	And that somehow, you know, was wonderful for them.
	So that gave me a huge pause.
	And when I heard this, I was like...
	What are you talking about?
	National security threat?
	Based on what?
	At that time, there were no deaths in the United States.
	There were barely any cases.
	The cases were maybe 500 cases around the world, and they were all secretly determined by secret PCR tests that only CDC had access to.
	So what are you telling me?
	Who determined?
	This was a national security threat.
	And this was before any presidential announcements or anything about the public health emergency.
	The public was not told.
	Interesting enough.
	And I would like, Annie, get that video ready because we'll play that for you guys in just a moment.
	We'll pull up at least the first minute of the six-minute video that Sasha under...
	That Sasha uncovered.
	Let's all remember that this happened during the final year of the Trump administration under the presidency of Donald Trump.
	For those who think that it might be different this time, let's just keep that in mind.
	Also, Sasha Latapova did an in-depth...
	In fact, the first time I ever heard of Sasha Latapova was actually an interview that she did with...
	Robert F. Kennedy Jr., where she laid out in detail exactly what she found and volumes of evidence that clearly indicated that this was a military operation within the United States of America, that the vaccines were countermeasures.
	In fact, everything was a countermeasure, which is a military term.
	So if anyone thinks that RFK doesn't understand this, he does.
	He understands exactly what went down.
	If anyone thinks that Kash Patel doesn't understand it, by the way, Kash Patel was, I believe, in the National Security Administration at the time of the declaration of a national emergency over COVID. So if anyone thinks he doesn't know about this, well, he does.
	But I just want to make that very clear.
	If you have a comment on that, Sasha or Debbie, and then we'll get to the video.
	But go ahead.
	Yeah, Cash Patel was part of National Security Council.
	I think he was like a lead on National Security Council, although not for the whole thing, but definitely for the period that we're discussing here.
	Early announcements, early, you know, so he does know and he should be questioned.
	So is Colonel Matt Hepburn should be questioned and a number of people that we've identified in this dossier who are not Fauci.
	And we keep telling everyone, Fauci was a consultant.
	HHS was a science consultant in this arrangement.
	The DOD was the lead.
	The DOD was the chief operating officer of the Operation Warp Speed.
	And then, you know, entire response, which was managed through the heads of the military and intelligence apparatus in the United States.
	And HHS was, you know, just a consultant.
	And I'm going to add to that, Sasha, because not only were they a consultant, but they were actually the PR front.
	All of the public health agencies in this country and other countries, as this dossier suggests, were a public relations front so that they could claim that this was a public health response.
	And what they did and what we show in the dossier is that the agencies and organizations that were in charge of messaging about The pandemic were not the public health agencies.
	They did not come up with the messages.
	They disseminated the messages.
	There's a huge difference, okay?
	So there was a plan and it was a...
	Biodefense plan which is a military intelligence plan and that was given to the public health agencies and they were told okay this is your response and now presented as a public health response.
	That was Fauci's job.
	That was the job of every public health agent.
	In the United States government.
	Now, some of them knew that it wasn't really public health.
	A lot of them didn't know.
	They were just told, and they went along with what they were told.
	But we know, and the dossier shows, that in our government, for sure, starting, I don't remember exactly the date, but I think on February 27, 2020, for sure, all communications about COVID. Had to go through the Office of the Vice President.
	The Office of the Vice President is where the COVID Task Force was housed, and the COVID Task Force was headed by the National Security Council.
	So all messaging had to go through the National Security Council.
	The CDC, there are FOIA documents and emails where they say, we tried to get this out, but we had to pass it through OVP. OVP is Office of the Vice President.
	So there are documents that show this.
	And there are reports that tell us.
	That the CDC was not allowed to have its own press conferences at all.
	So none of it was coming from them.
	Wow.
	And so the messaging, it felt like a PSYOP, right?
	It did feel like a PSYOP, didn't it?
	So when you realize that the messaging, the repetition, the keywords, the 15 days to slow the spread, and six feet social distancing, and the fact that, and Debbie, we'll get to your part of this, really finding that great documentation internationally, nationally, that this was not just the United States of America, but they were repeating the talking points in Spanish and French and Italian and in Canada and in Mexico and across the free world.
	It's absolutely amazing.
	Unbelievable.
	Today we're talking to Debbie Lerman and Sasha Latapova.
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	It was always a military operation.
	A U.S. military operation, but one in context of an international operation.
	Involving NATO. We're going to talk about that when we come back in the Shannon Joy Show and we'll play that uncovered audio clip that Sasha was able to uncover early in the dark days of COVID when we return here on the Shannon Joy Show.
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	Our friends Sasha and Debbie, who I can hear you guys laughing at me as I was doing.
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	Let's go back to the COVID dossier.
	It is also linked in the show notes of the Shannon Joy Show.
	You ladies name, at least in the U.S., I mean, you look at Germany, the Netherlands, the United States of America, Canada, and a few other, there is a continuity of how everything was rolled out perfectly in every nation, which is evidence in and of itself that there was a larger plan.
	Just the nature of the creation shows that there was a creator.
	And in this COVID dossier, at least for the U.S., you name the agencies in charge of the pandemic response, the National Security Council, FEMA, the Department of Defense.
	You also lay out key figures, Deborah Birx, Michael Callahan, Richard Danzig, Richard Hatchett, Matt Hetburn.
	Robert Kadlich, Carter Mitchell, Matt Pottinger.
	Nowhere in that list is Anthony Fauci or any of the front people.
	These are the people who are really involved with the deployment of this.
	And it was a military operation.
	Let's go to, first and foremost, why don't we go to that video that Sasha uncovered early on that captures them admitting, right, that this was a military operation.
	Let's take a listen.
	Yes, sir, who has been the architect of the long-acting antibody against COVID-19.
	Mark, back to you.
	Excellent.
	So thank you for the introduction, Mark, and it's really a pleasure to share with all of you a little bit of the journey that the long-acting antibody team has taken in 2020. But actually, our story begins back in 2017 in the basement of Equality Inn in Tyson's Corner, Virginia, at a Defense Department Industry Day.
	There I met Colonel Matt Hepburn, who was actually the architect of the Pandemic Prevention Program, or P3. And the goal of P3 was to go from discovering a novel virus to producing a drug in less than 60 days, something that would normally take six years at best.
	To me, this sounded a little bit more like science fiction than science.
	But we signed up in a small and committed and talented team of virologists, molecular biologists, and engineers started working in 2018 on new technologies to discover and manufacture antibodies against viruses.
	The team had actually been pretty successful on the early discovery engine piece and had won a biopharma R&D award about this time last year.
	So in January, we were all anxiously following emerging news coming out of China of a of a new disease and it wasn't a surprise to me that when I got a call on February 4th from the Defense Department here in the U.S. saying that the newly discovered SARS-2 virus posed a national security threat.
	We needed to stop everything that we were doing on our model system influenza and put everything onto SARS-2.
	Fortunately our top two All right, and there you have it.
	Sasha, first to you, what is the significance of that statement and that day, how it started five years ago today?
	Yeah, so the significance is that, again, if you remember February 4th, 2020, there was nothing going on as far as...
	Illness or death, there were maybe a few cases announced in the world by, well, in the United States, the CDC held the secret key as to how to identify a case with the PCR. And nobody was allowed to even independently verify it.
	And as you all know, PCR is not a diagnostic technology.
	It's not validated for any diagnosis.
	But here we are.
	There are a handful of cases in the world of unknown illness, of unknown cause.
	CDC claims it's a viral cause.
	CDC claims they have a secret key of how to determine whether it's a viral cause.
	And most of the time they're saying it's a silent disease, so you don't know.
	It was so stupid.
	Right.
	So how stupid is it?
	You don't even know you have it.
	It's so stealth that you don't even know you have it.
	You don't even know you have it, but it's super deadly.
	It's super deadly, though.
	But it's also super deadly.
	So now, five years later, the ridiculousness of the statement is obvious.
	But remember, at that time, either people didn't pay attention or the ones that were scared by the TV, the ones who were watching the TV. And so anyway, but they're saying nothing is going on, yet somehow Colonel Matt Habern determined, potentially single-handedly, I don't know who told him, he needs to be questioned.
	He calls, but he has an authority now to place a phone call to a consortium of hundreds of pharmaceutical companies.
	In the United States and their global companies, AstraZeneca is not a US-based company.
	And so call them and say, now you will have to switch to making COVID vaccines and therapeutics because this is a national security threat.
	So my number one question, since I've been publishing this tape now several years, can somebody please bring him into Congress, Matt Hepburn, and ask him this question, who gave him the authority?
	How was this determined?
	Why did they decide it's a national security threat?
	So those questions need to be asked, but nobody is even bringing up his name.
	Everybody screams at Fauci, but ignores Matt Hepburn.
	And by the way, as you've heard from the tape, Matt Hepburn is very open about being a mastermind of a pandemic preparedness plan.
	And he actually goes and advertises it on TED Talks.
	I have a TED Talk of him discussing this, how he came up with this brilliant idea.
	Right.
	Unbelievable.
	Debbie, five years ago, we're going into how it started.
	According to the dossier, two declarations for CBRN, Weapons of Mass Destruction Emergencies, EUA and PREP Act, made by the Secretary of Health and Human Services, were registered on...
	This date, February 4th, and that kicked everything into gear.
	And then you have the PREP Act, which funded everything.
	This was the billions of dollars that was signed by President Trump.
	That was the rescue.
	What was that?
	The PREP Act is actually the liability shield?
	Yes.
	Yes.
	And what was the significance of that?
	And I think it's actually very relevant as we speak right now.
	Bobby Kennedy Jr. is likely being confirmed as the head of HHS. Did anyone ask Bobby Kennedy Jr. if as head of HHS, he will, on day one, rescind...
	This EUA, which is still in place through 2029, I believe.
	You can correct me if I'm wrong.
	Is anyone in the medical freedom community asking, Bobby, this is completely within his purview, 100% in his power.
	He has the ability to do this.
	Debbie, have you heard anything in that respect?
	And what is the importance and significance of those two items that happened on February 4th?
	Yeah, so that's exactly the question.
	So why was Matt Hepburn able to say that it was a national security threat?
	Because legally, it's a legal designation that can be made by the Secretary of Health and Human Services if in the event that there is an attack or a threat of an attack by a chemical, biological, nuclear, or radiological Agent or a disease caused by such an agent.
	That's it.
	That's the only basis on which an EUA, which is an emergency use authorization, can be made for countermeasures to such an attack.
	And that is what happened.
	It didn't happen necessarily on February 4th because some of the declarations were made before and some of them were made after.
	But what happened was they post and predated them all to February 4th, I think, in order to make sure that when they told all the pharmaceutical companies and everybody who was involved, when they gave them the go-ahead, that there would be a legal basis for that.
	And so the legal basis is on February 4th.
	Those declarations have been extended and extended.
	And the PREP Act, I'm just going to repeat, goes in conjunction with EUA. So if you think about a situation in which there is actually an attack or a threat of an attack with a biological agent, that means that somebody is trying to release a biological agent in order to kill people.
	That's the definition of bioterror or biowarfare or a bioterror agent.
	If that's happening, then you have to rush in an emergency to find any kind of countermeasure that you might have in your stockpile or that you might be able to develop overnight.
	You're going to rush it to the area.
	You're going to try to give it to people.
	It might be bad.
	It might not work.
	It might kill some people.
	But, you know, this is a huge emergency involving a weapon of mass destruction.
	So it's okay if you administer it and you cause damage or you kill someone or you hurt them.
	You're not going to be held liable.
	That's the prep act.
	That's what it's for.
	It has nothing to do with administering and mandating a countermeasure to 8 million people in the world and then protecting you from liability if that countermeasure causes damage.
	Because there's no way that there could have been a threat of a CBRN agent to the entire globe at the same time simultaneously lasting for 10 years.
	Because we're still in all of this.
	Am I correct?
	This is all...
	The infrastructure is still in place.
	They could flip a switch.
	People don't understand this, Sasha, that we are in such a precarious situation here where all it takes...
	Is a flip of the switch.
	And we could be back in lockdown immediately.
	We could be back into the deployment of these countermeasures.
	The idea that we're free or we're out of the woods with COVID is a complete illusion.
	They have all the powers.
	Am I overstating that, Sasha?
	No, no, that's correct.
	So the legal framework did not change.
	The legal framework that they've invoked on February 4th remains in place.
	And there are many press conferences from Pentagon, which I commented on and wrote sub-stacks about, where these military people, led by General Talley at that time in the press conferences, they declare numerous times over the...
	We run the government, the military, us.
	We've merged all the agencies into one enterprise.
	In fact, there is an enterprise.
	It's a quasi-government agency.
	It's called PAMC Pandemic Enterprise.
	It started in 2011. So they're utilizing this enterprise to privatize Profits to themselves, but the military structure there is to run the entire government and there's actually some evidence that they have suspended the constitution, actually quite a bit of evidence.
	So that has not...
	Changed at all.
	And that those declarations being extended, you know, the COVID PrEP Act declaration being extended 12 times now to the end of 29 is saying we are still under the same structure.
	Now, I know a lot of people who voted for Trump, they've been given this talking point that the vaccines were necessary because otherwise we would have been in a lockdown forever.
	That's nonsense.
	Vaccines did nothing for...
	Being in a lockdown or not being in a lockdown, because the legal structure remains the same, the same as he invoked with all those emergency declarations.
	And so the vaccines that are being shipped, these COVID shots today, are still under the EUA, and they do need the EUA extended for them to continue shipping them, or for government to send them money, as we said, you know, Trump is now declaring a sovereign fund that's going to be buying these vaccines.
	Unbelievable.
	Right, so for shipping it, for all the sort of pretend legalities around this, they need the EUA outstanding.
	If the EUA is revoked, as RFK Jr. can do on day one, he has unilateral power to do it, then they can no longer ship them.
	This immediately stops the shots because they don't have the liability shield anymore.
	And that's why we're so focused on what happens on day one.
	And nobody even discussed this in the congressional hearings or anything, which were, of course, huge theater.
	But nobody brings this up.
	We need everyone staring at him and saying, do it!
	Right.
	Right.
	Well, I don't even think the medical freedom community is messaging on that.
	The messaging, even from my perspective, I mean, I worked with a couple people to put up a petition and we want specific things, right?
	We want mandates banned.
	We're never going to get that.
	We want the pharmaceutical corporations to be held liable for vaccine injury and death or countermeasure injury and death.
	And there are many in our community who want the mRNA shots pulled from the market for safety reasons.
	And that's been...
	That's been the best messaging for the medical freedom community from my perspective.
	But you're right.
	It erased it.
	It doesn't even address the most important elephant in the room, which is that they still retain all of these powers.
	They still retain through that declaration.
	And that RFK, I don't want to sugarcoat this.
	I don't want this to get lost in the discussion.
	Robert F. Kennedy Jr. as the head of HHS. Could rescind it on day one.
	Exactly.
	He has the authority, he has the power, and he can do it on day one.
	And by the way, this is, in my opinion, the most immediate, effective way of stopping the shots.
	There we go.
	What medical freedom community, unfortunately, has messaged over and over and over again is that FDA somehow has the power to take these products off the market.
	Actually, FDA even legally doesn't have that power because the way they went on the market, the FDA is not involved.
	The FDA doesn't enforce pharmaceutical law over EUA countermeasures because by law, by statute, if you read the law...
	Around EUA countermeasures, there is no enforceability of pharmaceutical regulations on them.
	So, and FDA admitted it in a few places over time when they were pushed in the corner by various, you know, uncovering various issues like myocarditis they had to admit to, even contaminations, different contaminations they had to admit to.
	But every time the response comes back, oh, we still think they're safe and effective and they should remain on the market.
	The reason they're saying this is because...
	Those are the words in the PREP Act declarations, which are opinions of two people that have not much to do with FDA. So it's opinion of the HHS secretary that there is circumstances exist that justify emergency for this particular thing.
	And then also his opinion that these products under EUA are potentially safe and effective.
	So that's his determination.
	And FDA is several layers below him.
	And FDA only enforces pharmaceutical law in the United States.
	And in the United States, pharmaceutical law is not applicable to the EUA countermeasures.
	Right, right.
	And, you know, I'm sorry, I'm not going to be buying that.
	Bobby can't do it.
	There's a lot that Bobby can do.
	I'm going to jump in here and say, yes, according to the law, we think Bobby can do it.
	However, the way that they have been using these laws and the people who have been in charge behind the scenes who have security clearance and therefore we don't know what they're doing and we don't know how they've changed the laws might actually have power.
	Over what Bobby does.
	Yes.
	We don't know about.
	So I'm just putting that out there.
	Well, then Bobby should tell us.
	Well, then Bobby should tell us, right?
	Okay, Bobby.
	Come on.
	Tell us.
	Can you do it?
	Who are the bad guys, Bobby?
	Who are the people who are not allowing you to rescind this thing?
	Because this is essentially an emergency declaration, like perpetually, forever.
	Yes, forever.
	Unbelievable.
	We're going to go to break.
	Let's go to break quickly.
	When we come back, I want to get into the continuity of the rollout of the military operation, not just in the US, but across.
	The globe.
	And this paints the larger picture, which, Debbie, you uncovered in some of your research into the Netherlands and in Germany, just blockbuster reporting.
	This is a global assault on individual sovereignty and national sovereignty, the way things are.
	It impacts the entire world order.
	And as of today in this conversation, it seems as if, to me, Donald Trump, Elon Musk, RFK, and all of the big names of the big saviors and the heroes who are going to come in and save us from the new world order, it seems as if, to me, they're in on it.
	Because they're not talking about this.
	And this is a blockbuster.
	It impacts every American, our future humanity, in many cases.
	We'll be back in a moment to continue this discussion on The Shannon Joy Show.
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	Yeah, Sasha, I tried to get it up before you came in.
	Alas, you know, it wasn't ready.
	It's okay.
	It's fine.
	It's Daniel and the lion's den.
	It's beautiful.
	Sometimes I do feel as if I'm in like a pit of snakes and vipers.
	I mean, politics is a dirty, nasty business.
	Let me tell you, I don't like it at all.
	Yeah.
	And media, too.
	And media, too.
	Right.
	It's why I stay here.
	I never go to Washington.
	Are you going to go to Washington, D.C.? Are you going to go to the inauguration?
	Are you going to try to get a press pass, Shannon?
	No, no, no, no, no, no.
	I hate Washington, D.C. It's just filthy, filthy.
	But I digress.
	Let's go.
	The COVID dossier.
	I mentioned you guys were on with Neil Oliver early this morning.
	You're going to be doing a lot of press for this.
	Guys, share this dossier.
	Talk it up on social media.
	Share it with your friends.
	This is everything.
	The people that we put in power to solve the problems that were caused by the COVID lockdowns are not addressing this.
	It's outrageous.
	And we need one voice, one message, and I think that this dossier nails it.
	It's brilliantly written, ladies.
	Thank you so much for this.
	It's so important.
	I'll probably be referencing it for the next four years as we fight like hell to get this administration to actually conduct a reckoning for what went down.
	The democide that was a result of this military operation that was launched in this country under...
	The Trump administration in 2020. Outrageous.
	It's not okay.
	It's bigger than just the U.S., though, Debbie.
	And I want to say, is this where you and Sasha came together, was when you were conducting your research on the global...
	Military apparatus that rolled this out that really coincides with what Sasha found, all of that evidence that it was a military operation here in the US. I don't know if you guys had collaborated before that, but I'd be interested in how that came about.
	Yeah, so actually, we came together long before I had any idea that it was a global operation.
	Wow.
	The first thing that I discovered was that the national security...
	The council was in charge, which was shocking news to me.
	And so I put out that news and then I found and then I saw Sasha's first article.
	So she used to publish somewhere that I didn't see.
	She was just publishing her research into the vaccines and the different batches and the fact that different batches had very, very different adverse events reports.
	Right.
	She was publishing that somewhere and then she published something on Substack where she actually used the chart that I had found that showed that the Task Force and the National Security Council were in charge of the COVID response.
	And so I immediately contacted her because whenever I see anybody who's doing the same work that I am or who's interested in it, I immediately contact them.
	So we've been in contact for a very long time over these things.
	And then slowly as information has come out that the same thing was happening in other countries.
	Then I started focusing and also I started being more aware of the sort of global nature of the public-private partnership conglomerates that I feel are now pretty much in charge of everything.
	That's when I started looking more and trying to compile more information about the international response.
	Now, Sasha actually did.
	A really great thing because she took the German information.
	So the other problem that we have is that these things are happening in different countries, in different languages, just by local people, just like us.
	They're not happening with the big journalists or the people who are publishing in the mainstream media.
	So it's very hard to find.
	It's hard to translate.
	It's hard to understand.
	And people don't understand how it's all related.
	And how it shows the global coordination, like you said, Shannon.
	And so Sasha published the important highlights of the German RKI leaks.
	So there were leaks from the German agency that was in charge of the COVID response that showed that actually it wasn't public health and that NATO was involved.
	And so Sasha published that in conjunction with the German guy who worked on that.
	The news came from the Netherlands when the Dutch health minister said that actually COVID, the COVID response, the government was fulfilling its NATO obligations and the intelligence agencies weren't involved or in charge.
	And so those two things for me came together.
	And so I contacted the Dutch researcher who had been working on that because I'd actually heard about the information that the Dutch Investigators had been compiling and then I combined that with the information from Germany that Sasha had published.
	So I don't take credit for any of those discoveries.
	I only take credit for kind of putting them together and showing how the response was the same and what's coordinated in all these different countries.
	And so that's why the dossier, that's why I wanted to work with Sasha on the dossier because it does give the picture that's bigger than just one country.
	Sasha, can you tell me about what those NATO, or what you surmise, and then Debbie, we'll go back to you, are those NATO obligations?
	What would that be, right?
	So, in the years, so what we also uncovered, especially for the so-called 5i countries, but also for the NATO alliance countries, but 5i countries, the US, Canada, Australia, New Zealand, UK. So, for these countries,
	in the years preceding, There was a lot of changes in the law that's traceable, creating these structures that are supposedly in response to a global threat, and then later on morphed into this, you know, biological...
	Radiological nuclear weapons.
	So this is in response to the global threats, somehow, that they identify.
	And then these laws get invoked, such as public health emergency.
	Prep Act declaration in the US, but there are also public health emergency and pandemic response laws that I've published on in the EU and in the UK. And when you read the documents, and in Australia, for example, when you read the documents, they all speak identical language.
	So all these doctrines, there's a DOD doctrine on responding to seabirden threats, and then there's a part about NATO in it.
	They all talk identical language, identical words that they utilize, the countermeasures, the pandemic preparedness.
	They put the national security apparatus in charge instead of the public house officials in charge.
	So they subordinate somehow public health and then they give themselves unlimited powers to do whatever they please and launch these completely untested products onto the population.
	And also, as you know, they've all practiced this.
	There were numerous events.
	There is Event 201 that's highly publicized.
	There's also Pacific...
	Something event that our colleague in Australia identified.
	And there were several dry runs and practice events to practice all these procedures that were already written into the law.
	These laws also in a lot of countries, including EU and Australia, New Zealand and so forth.
	They waive all the import-export requirements for medical products.
	Again, the import-export law exists to enforce pharmaceutical regulation and safety in the supply chain.
	So all of this gets waived.
	The supply chain becomes completely open to any introduction of any material from anywhere.
	It becomes a black box.
	In the US, the pharmacy distribution is managed at each state and has humongous regulations.
	All of this gets waived, preempted by this national distribution.
	I've also written about it.
	Instead of pharmacy managing its supply chain according to the state law, Now, everything is property of the US government, property of DOD. It's a black box distribution.
	Pharmacists only received a product that he or she must trust is what it says and then injects into the person and then is given complete, full liability protection regardless of what happens and regardless if the person just drops dead in front of them.
	They cannot be sued because they followed HHS instructions.
	And this type of law is we can trace through all these countries to say, how did they all come up with it independently, supposedly?
	You know, how was this ever a reasonable thing to do?
	Right.
	As an artist, I think you would understand, Sasha, that if you're taking a look at the Mona Lisa.
	And wow, it's a beautiful Mona Lisa.
	You're not like, oh, it just appeared out of nowhere.
	It just appeared on my wall.
	It evolved.
	Like viruses evolved.
	Right.
	There's no way.
	Debbie, what are you?
	All right.
	This is always the million-dollar question.
	Clearly, we see the plan.
	Right?
	We see the deployment of the plan.
	We see the continuity of the plan.
	We see the outcome of the plan.
	Democide, death, destruction, disease, control, surveillance, a crushing of the human spirit and the sovereign individual, an erasure of boundaries and borders and national sovereignty.
	So we see it.
	It's all here in your dossier.
	It's laid out like the Mona Lisa.
	Okay, for everyone to look at, all right, with all of the supporting documentation, what do we need to do, Debbie?
	To me, this looks like, Catherine Austin Fitz has called it an omni war, that we're, first of all, that we are a war, okay, that this is a war.
	It's not over.
	We're probably about halfway through it.
	I think it started in earnest, probably on February 4th, 2020. What do we need to do, Debbie?
	To wake up enough people, more people, and finally get to the truth, shrug off this political discourse that is just completely distracting to everyone, and get to the nuts and bolts regarding what they're doing to us, surviving it, and then waging a counterattack against their countermeasures.
	Go ahead.
	That's a gazillion dollar question.
	I know.
	That's what we're doing.
	What will it take is what I ask myself every second of every day.
	I don't sleep, you know, I get crazy because it's extremely difficult.
	So what the dossier also shows is that the international propaganda and censorship industrial complex is extremely...
	Large and well-coordinated.
	And it's large and well-coordinated through military and intelligence, nudge units, psychological operations units.
	They're very sophisticated and they know what they need to do in order to control a population.
	And I agree with you.
	I think that the most important consequences of COVID are to further all the agendas of the global ruling class.
	The global ruling class, the global public-private partnerships that are in charge are not about nation states and they're not about Democrats or Republicans or liberal, conservative, those things really don't have a lot of meaning anymore.
	It's about the global ruling class and the rest of us.
	That's it.
	And we can get people just to understand that, that we have to stop talking about things in terms of Democrats and Republicans, in terms of immigration.
	That's the big issue right now.
	Or AI. AI is a big issue because they want to...
	Build nuclear power plants everywhere in order to have huge data centers, not in order to beat the Chinese.
	The Chinese are doing the same thing as us, probably in conjunction with us, as they did during COVID. So it's not about us versus China either.
	It's about us versus the global elites.
	That's it.
	That's the whole story.
	And that's the story of COVID. Debbie, can you speak to the sophisticated nature of the propaganda and the psychological operation, the psychological warfare?
	And then, Sasha, I'll go to you on that as well, because you guys have both looked at that.
	That is a major component of the countermeasures.
	And this is a deployment of massive amounts of psychological manipulation, propaganda, relentlessly through social media, mainstream media, messaging, and even interpersonal relationships, I think, at some point.
	At some level.
	And it is continuous.
	It is relentless.
	And, you know, it's shaping our reality of the world.
	It's shaping a reality of the world that actually, in some cases, doesn't even exist.
	Remember, you know, that big whopper, right?
	It is, you know, so stealth that you don't even know you have it.
	Right?
	That is some high level.
	That is some 800 level propaganda, Debbie.
	Layered and sophisticated.
	Can you speak to that?
	Yeah, it is.
	I'm going to recommend the reading that helped me to best understand this is CJ Hopkins, who is a writer and a satirist and a playwright, and he lives in Germany, and he's now being prosecuted by the German government for Doesn't matter what.
	Something stupid.
	He has a really good explanation of the global structures that control the narrative and the message.
	And the point is, they always want us to be at each other's throats.
	And so there will always be propaganda telling us that the other side, the liberals, the Democrats, the Republicans, Trump, whoever, is terrible.
	And that's who we need to fight.
	In every country of course and that will distract us and it always has and that's why it's very hard to see how we get out of this because it's human nature to fall for that over and over and over again.
	I was convinced because I was woken up during COVID and I know this is kind of just a self delusion probably just because I woke up during COVID and I thought a lot of people around me figured it out.
	Because they seem to understand what was happening during COVID, and now they've just slipped right back into it.
	They're slipping right back into that whole false dichotomy, which is exactly what the propaganda industrial complex is doing.
	It's managing the narrative.
	And I can see it so clearly now how...
	The narrative is constantly being managed and it's being managed in the media and it's being managed by certain spokespeople and certain public figures.
	And once you see it, it's really astonishing.
	Very astute.
	Sasha, your thoughts on the sophisticated level of propaganda and how they control that narrative?
	Right.
	So we also see in the dossier that the activities to put together the propaganda machine precede all of this.
	So they made sure propaganda first, right?
	And they set up all these mechanisms by which all of it is funded centrally from the federal government.
	Part of the gigantic amount of money that went into COVID response, and I think Catherine Austin-Fitz calls it tsunami of money.
	Exactly.
	It's a tsunami of money that was printed.
	Two trillion dollars of which, you know, 50 billion went into vaccines and other products.
	Gigantic amounts of money, right from the first go, but gigantic amounts of money went into the propaganda, messaging, misinformation, flagging on social media, suppression of the accounts.
	I mean, we all were banned and deplatformed from many places.
	I'm currently banned on LinkedIn.
	So propaganda continues.
	I'm currently banned on LinkedIn.
	I had an over 20-year profile on LinkedIn.
	I have 5,000 industry connections.
	I can't access my own account because I was sharing my publication from Substack.
	So the propaganda continues.
	I was also put on a watch list by New York City Health Department.
	Which is part of this propaganda machine.
	So people saying, oh, it's Pfizer, Pfizer, Pfizer.
	Well, those were not Pfizer people.
	This is New York City Health Department ostensibly monitoring local news.
	I don't live in New York anymore.
	When I lived in New York, I was in Rochester, not in New York City.
	I live on the West Coast.
	There was a 900-page report that was FOIA'd, which identified that they racially profiled Jewish Hasidic community, Black community, Hispanic, Puerto Rican, and then they included a whole bunch of media people, especially with any pharmaceutical credentials, was me and Mike Eden and other people profiled there, supposedly to monitor local health news in New York City.
	Unbelievable.
	And the suppression on Twitter is happening today.
	My account is suppressed on Twitter.
	I know that for a fact.
	And the bots and the trolls are relentless.
	And the bots and the trolls always have a narrative and a message.
	You can always see the copy points and the talking points in them.
	Just astounding.
	And, you know, the most disturbing part of this, and this is another show that I'd like to do with you guys again.
	I'll have you on again.
	The way that they use our own information and our own data against us as citizens, right?
	So they're psycholab.
	Psychologically profiling us as we use social media and using that against us on a regular basis.
	It makes the messaging so profound and just perfectly curated for every individual.
	You wouldn't even know it's propaganda, which is unbelievable.
	But girls, I thank you so much.
	Sasha, we've run out of time.
	Debbie and Sasha, please make sure that you follow them on their Substack pages.
	It's linked in the show notes of the Shannon Joy Show.
	30 seconds for Debbie and then 30 seconds for Sasha in closing, and we'll have you guys on again for sure.
	Thank you so much.
	Thanks, Jen, and thank you for having us.
	I think if we can just get this message out, and I think what we're trying to do is shift the narrative.
	The same way the propaganda industrial complex does it, we can do it too.
	Yeah, and it's all women.
	Why is that?
	Why is it all women?
	I don't know.
	We're the men.
	Come on, fellas.
	They're aligning with the power axes.
	Fourth wave feminists.
	Let's go right now.
	Let's start it.
	All right.
	No, I would never say that.
	But yeah, Sasha, a couple minutes or a couple seconds there for you.
	Exactly.
	We want to shift the narrative.
	Stop talking about COVID as a public health anything.
	It wasn't public health anything.
	It's a military intelligence attack.
	Globally, on all of us, on citizens, on regular people, by the elites that have created these public-private partnerships.
	So we no longer even have distinction between government and huge corporate sector.
	So that's what we are against.
	And that's what we need to start talking about.
	Shift the narrative to that.
	All right.
	Absolutely.
	Ladies, so appreciative of both of you.
	Everyone watching right now, you have a mission.
	That is to share out this COVID dossier, to follow both Sasha and Debbie, not only on Substack, but Sasha's also on Twitter as well.
	Push this out to everyone that you know.
	Bring it to Bobby Kennedy Jr. Bring it to Donald Trump.
	Bring it to the Republican Party, your favorite medical freedom warrior.
	Relentlessly push this narrative out so that we can change the narrative.
	That they are seeking to implement.
	And that is massive gaslighting.
	Like I said, as if it never happened.
	We cannot let that happen.
	And all of you can help us do that.
	Thank you guys so much for being with us.
	CJP Rumble, Sasha, be my Valentine.
	CJP Rumble has a crush on you, Sasha.
	I'm telling on him right now.
	He's always slightly naughty on the live chat.
	All right, Annie's going to make us go right now.
	All right, Annie is telling me in my ears, time to go, time to go.
	You guys have a great day, okay?
	We'll have you on again.
	Thank you guys so much for being with us today on the Shannon Joy Show.
	We'll be back to do it all again right here.
	Don't miss it.
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