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🔥LIVE w/ Sasha Latypova! - Shannon Joy Show, May 20

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	- - Well, hello everyone and welcome to the Shannon Joy Show.
	We are broadcasting live from the Joy Virtual Studio right here in the beautiful Finger Lakes region of New York State.
	It's so good to be with all of you today.
	We are launching yet another very, very busy broadcast week.
	It is Monday, May 20th.
	And I hope you all had a wonderful weekend.
	I know I did spend some time with the family.
	Lots of yard work.
	It's been beautiful out.
	And we're going to launch into this week.
	We're not going to ease into it.
	I have an amazing guest with me today on the Shannon Joy Show.
	You guys know Sasha Latipova.
	She is a regular on the show.
	We'll have her in in just a minute, but I wanted to thank all of our sponsors.
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	Finally getting some rays in New York, that is for sure.
	It's going to be the 80s today, so I'm thrilled about that.
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	Sasha is awesome, says Huge Chimp.
	So glad.
	You guys, I know she's a favorite guest on the Shannon Joy Show, and you see the title.
	I mean, we are diving in fast.
	We're not easing into the week.
	We're getting right to, you know, no chaser, straight up shots.
	We are looking at what is emerging as the truth About COVID-19 and the vaccines.
	Here we are almost four years post the lockdown of 2020, three years post the rollout of Operation Warp Speed and these deadly vaccines.
	And the truth of the matter is, based on so much of the research that Sasha has done, Yeah, COVID-19 was an inside job, and the COVID-19 vaccines are bioweapons.
	And much of what humanity is dealing with today in terms of illnesses and sickness and virus and disease has to do, its root cause is the meddling with the Department of Defense, the military industrial complex, the Pentagon, and gain of function research, aka the development and gain of function research, aka the development of biological weapons.
	And this just didn't start in 2020.
	It dates all the way back to the 1950s and 60s.
	And we're going to talk about that in detail today with Sasha Latapova.
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	So glad to have you all with us in the Shannon Joy Network.
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	So let's get right to it.
	We have Sasha Latipova with us in the virtual studio today.
	Sasha, thank you so much for being with us.
	You need no introduction.
	You've been on the show before, but just so you guys remember, Sasha worked for many, many years as an executive in pharmaceutical research and development that made her particularly capable of understanding what went down in terms of the contracts, what went down in 2020, but particularly with the rollout of the COVID-19 Vaccines and you can find all of her work.
	She's been researching really since the lockdowns occurred.
	Her sub stack is due diligence and art.
	You can find her at Sasha lot of pova dot sub stack dot com and she's also on Twitter.
	Her handle is at Sasha underscore lot of pova.
	I want to encourage you guys to follow everything that she is doing.
	This most recent piece, it's a two-part series on your Substack.
	It is blowing my mind, Sasha.
	It's about 10 pages all together.
	And really, the research that you have done and the commentary is incredibly impressive, commissioned by the Pentagon, part one and part two.
	And this is just one excerpt, and then I'm going to hand the floor over to you.
	As stated above, nothing about COVID health.
	Or medicine related and should not be construed as much once it is properly properly characterized as a worldwide military deployment of chemical biological weapons in psychological warfare.
	Everything becomes clear as day, right?
	No more bafflement about why or how or this or that this is clearly clearly.
	The release of chemical biological weapons and also psychological warfare.
	So let's get right into it.
	What is your overall thesis?
	You did some deep diving into the development of the COVID-19 vaccines and the long arm of the federal government partnering up with Moderna and Pfizer and AstraZeneca and these public-private partnerships, the Bill and Melinda Gates Foundation.
	Can you tell the story to the audience as we get started?
	Well, yeah, so these two-part articles that was forwarded to me by a German journalist, Beate Toffer, with translation, and I added my commentary to it, just explaining more.
	And I think it was useful to have an outsider perspective on how this can be properly characterized.
	And, you know, they arrived at the same conclusion as I did some time ago, that this is a military operation, this is an attack, by the military onto civilians worldwide, including in the U.S.
	It's indiscriminate.
	It's a democide, essentially, but it's an attack on both Americans and U.S.
	allies.
	There are no allies.
	It's a coordinated global military coup.
	The Department of Defense and the Pentagon happen to be the leading actor in this military attack and that's not surprising because they're using both the power of the US dollar as a reserve currency to print money and to fund all of this and obviously the most powerful military in the world.
	Yes.
	And expertise that they had internally at DARPA and BARDA Developing these technologies and establishing these alliances with pharmaceutical companies and academic institutions over decades.
	That's right.
	We're talking to Sascha Latopova today and I'd like to work through this piece methodically with you and just go through step by step because it really is brilliant.
	Again, Beate Taufer is the German journalist who uncovered much of this and then you have provided your commentary as well.
	This is building on a lot of the work that you had done early on in the rollout of the COVID-19 vaccines.
	When you were looking at these contracts, you were looking at the military contracts, you know, even certain leaked audio from the CEO of AstraZeneca, which we'll get to, right?
	Like this is a, this story is unbelievable.
	But let's start with the philosophy behind biological warfare, as explained by Beate in this piece that you have translated from German onto your Substack.
	Again, due diligence and art is the Substack.
	But what is the philosophy behind biological warfare, germ warfare, etc., and how far back does it date?
	Yeah, so people think it's some sort of a new thing that they now can make gain-of-function viruses.
	And I assure everyone that, first of all, nobody can make viruses in the labs or anything alive, really.
	And secondly, you know, they don't make gain-of-function viruses.
	So this is an area which is, on purpose, has a lot of mythology around it.
	But it goes back decades, if not centuries.
	So called bio warfare or using biological agents and primarily using bacterial toxins.
	So bacteria are real.
	They're live organisms.
	They're large.
	They're single cell animals.
	Yes.
	And they as part of their life cycle, they excrete toxin.
	So most bacteria are benign and in fact actually beneficial and we have a lot of bacteria living inside us as our gut biome.
	Those are very beneficial ones.
	Now there's some in nature that can excrete toxins, especially if there are a lot of them.
	And they tend to be associated with things like sewage from humans and animals getting into the water.
	And those bacteria, like E. coli and other types, can create secretions that are toxic and can be transmitted through water.
	So that was noticed a long time ago.
	Thousands of years ago.
	So there are historical accounts of people knowing this and preventing, you know, doing water sanitation, you know, centuries ago because of this, right?
	So that effect... So I can maybe translate that.
	I want to make sure I'm understanding what you're saying here.
	This idea of bio warfare, of these scientists and labs able to create these viruses and release them out onto the population and get everyone sick and kill large swaths of the population is largely a myth.
	They have not been able to achieve that.
	Now, however, in treating or creating the antidote, so to speak, to the biological warfare, When they talk about vaccines, which are injected into your body, right?
	So they're penetrating your skin, that's the body's first defense, and then being distributed by a lipid nanoparticle to all areas of the body, crossing over the blood-brain barrier.
	That, on the other hand, can be very harmful.
	Exactly.
	So they've set up this boogeyman of the released virus.
	So that they can deploy what is actually the bioweapon.
	Am I kind of getting it?
	Yes, so they created the mist based on a bit of reality that yes, there is this danger with bacterial toxins in the water especially.
	Remember that like later, so once all those problems were solved with water sanitation, so then this whole mythology about viruses started being created.
	It was originally created like in the 1800s, But then started getting more and more and more propagandized.
	And I remember through my own sort of professional life in the healthcare, viruses used to be like nothing.
	And it was basically when doctors didn't know what to tell you, they would tell you, oh, it's a virus.
	Okay, so this was like a... Then this whole mythology of, oh, viruses, viruses, viruses everywhere.
	And then viruses getting, especially getting through Hollywood and all kinds of entertainment propaganda getting programmed into everyone's brain that they can be weaponized, that Sloan, and this is the preferred narrative of the government and military, is like, There's going to be a lone wolf, some crazy PhD in the lab, and they will create this enormous danger by releasing gain-of-function viruses.
	And remember that this whole anthrax letters, which is a clear handiwork of the Department of Defense, even the strain came from Fort Detrick.
	It was all pinned on Bruce Ivins.
	This whole thing was created, it's Bruce Ivins because he's crazy, and he just did it, okay?
	Lone Wolf.
	Just no reason whatsoever.
	He had access, but 400 other people had access, but it's him, you know?
	And so they pinned it on him and suicided him, and the end of story, right?
	So they did this from the anthrax letters, then they made it through several iterations, like Zika, And you know a few other those, you know, pandemic scares.
	Yeah, that's another that's another false one.
	It's a fake narrative.
	Swine flu, avian flu.
	So they but they have these practices over and over and over and they figure that this is this is the story that will scare the largest number of people because everyone has been pre-programmed and Including their own internal experts.
	So it's not like everyone is in on this deal.
	They have a whole bunch of people who will do anything for money, cannot think, will not think, have been promoted through the system because of these features that these people have.
	So they specifically look for people who are very ambitious, not very smart, will do anything for money.
	And those get promoted through academia and military and everywhere.
	And those people are just as programmable, actually better programmable, because they're coin-operated, right?
	So there is a vetting process for leadership in the United States of America.
	You have to have a huge ego, do anything for money, and be quite dull.
	Yes, exactly.
	And you notice them everywhere, right?
	They're all over the place.
	So true.
	It's like, yeah.
	They can spot an intelligent person like miles away and like, no, you are not getting in the inner circle.
	There is no way.
	It's so true!
	Right, so because of these features in the leadership, people are saying, well, so many people cannot be in on this camp.
	They don't have to be.
	So everyone is given this narrative over time.
	And now we're into the military programming this and planning this out.
	So I have documentation, including this AstraZeneca video and audio, that I've released.
	I haven't released video, only released audio.
	So I have this AstraZeneca recording saying that we were approached by DARPA and the DoD in 2017.
	But the documentation for the same alliance of various pharmaceutical companies, there are hundreds of pharmaceutical companies in it, goes back to even 2011-2012.
	And that's when Moderna was funded.
	Before we get there, let's walk it back, though, again, because I want to do this methodically.
	The gain-of-function research in biological warfare is largely what we're first establishing.
	Scare tactics, they do not have the ability to release deadly viruses into a population of people.
	But they're using it to control, this is why you talk about psychological warfare and psychological manipulation because they use that in order to control societies.
	And even in this case, with COVID-19, deploying an actual biological weapon, which is the jab.
	So let's talk about DARPA and BARDA.
	You are identifying the United States Military Department of Defense and agencies within, funding agencies within, as really the head of the snake.
	There are intelligence agencies involved in this and other governments and, you know, Western democracies involved in this, but it's really, unfortunately, starting here in the U.S.
	And a lot of that funding, you mentioned 2013, I'm going back with Moderna, which I want to get to in a minute.
	But can you talk about DARPA and BARDA?
	What are these organizations and what have they been up to in this area that we're discussing today?
	Right.
	So DARPA, so they're both military, essentially.
	And now DARPA is Defense Advanced Research and Development Agency or authority.
	Yep.
	And BARDA is more considered a part of HHS, but they're militarized.
	So they're a part of HHS that is responsible, ostensibly, for developing or stockpiling treatments, vaccines, and other related items for CBRN attacks.
	So CBRN agents are chemical, biological, radiological, nuclear agents.
	So under these auspices of we must be prepared for attacks by either lone wolves with biological weapons, or other nations attacking us with these deadly, deadly things, weapons of mass destruction.
	And therefore, not only just the stockpile and funding authorization for BARDA was introduced, but also A whole new set of laws were put on the books, and this is what my colleague Catherine Watt has been researching for the last several years.
	And all these laws, essentially, they're designed to enable the government to deploy these agents Anytime.
	And then, regardless of how many people they kill or injure with them, they provide full liability shield to those who are deploying these weapons.
	So the same way as a military, when they're in combat zone, are, you know, they'll shoot and kill what's considered enemy combatant, but they have no liability for this.
	Because it's not a clinical trial, it's not a clinical experiment, and it's not an investigational use of any sort of product.
	But the same way, all these laws written that enable use of EUA countermeasures, which is how these things are called, EUA countermeasures under conditions of public health emergency.
	So that's what they did.
	And they also removed any regulation, any sort of effective consumer safeguard regulation from pharmaceutical products.
	Again, saying that, well, we just can't enforce this law, this pharmaceutical law, because this is such a dire situation.
	So you can see that there is this whole setup for you need a very, very dire situation so that you can deploy the stuff and then have no liability.
	Yes, that's what they've set up for themselves.
	And this has sparked an entire industry.
	I mean, you mentioned first Mark Esser, the vice president of AstraZeneca in the leaked audio that this is a story that you broke.
	Colonel Matt Hepburn of DARPA came up with what was called the P3 plan.
	The plan claimed that safe and effective medicines can be made in 60 days after the Pentagon identifies a virus with pandemic potential.
	And that rolls out the rapid vaccine development.
	And what you say here in your commentary, that basically the Pentagon has created what they think is a workable biological and chemical toxin, and they need to test deploy it, okay?
	So what they need is to get engaged all of these pharmaceutical companies, which we saw AstraZeneca, Moderna, Pfizer, you name it, right?
	In a LARP to tick the exemption box, which says it's all defensive infectious disease vaccine development rather than an offensive bioweapons development activity, right?
	So that's the creation of the vaccines are by definition biological.
	You know, bioweapons development.
	They just changed the wording to get around any ethical bans or any type of legislative problems they might have with that.
	That's insane.
	Yeah, that's always been a loophole.
	So, you know, there is a bioweapons convention that was signed in the 70s.
	And while the U.S.
	is a signatory to it, the U.S.
	single-handedly kind of derailed any efforts of enforcement or checking which biological research activity is offensive or defensive.
	So there were numerous mechanisms proposed for checking.
	And for verification of these activities and the US, the US derailed it.
	They said, oh, it's impossible because, you know, anybody in the garage and, you know, we know a lot of people that we know and even in the health freedom side, go and go around with this narrative that any student, PhD student can buy some components from Amazon and build a bioweapons virus.
	And therefore, we, United States, can never participate in any Checking activity, whether who is doing it, who is authorizing it, how much money is going into it.
	Anyways, but that's a that's a BS kind of cover story.
	What they want to do is the US, I mean, the Department of Defense wants to develop biological weapons and wants to fund it for a variety of reasons.
	They also themselves hold IP positions in this exercise.
	So not only they want it as a weapon, they also want to profit from it.
	Yes.
	Yeah, right.
	Well, and I want to move there because, I mean, this is astounding that the funding of this through DARPA and BARDA originally dated back to 2013 with Moderna.
	And this was a ton of money.
	$995 million that Moderna received between 2013 and today.
	Almost a billion dollars.
	of money, 995 million that Moderna received in between 2013 and say almost a billion dollars. - Billion dollars just from DARPA.
	This is one pharmaceutical company that never created a single vaccine until the COVID-19 vaccines, okay?
	It was almost like a shell company.
	They have no products at all.
	All its products failed since its founding.
	Everything failed, yet they received a billion dollars from BARDA, DARPA, sorry, some millions from BARDA, and in total they raised five billion dollars of financing before they had this COVID success, which wasn't a success, it's government just shoved it on the market, right?
	Exactly.
	So, like, I want to point this out, a lot of people saying, well, but the military doesn't invest, they give grants.
	Now, here's I explain to you how if you are in a position of power, like, for example, Colonel Matt Hepburn, who is, he claims to be the mastermind of this whole scheme.
	I'm sure he's not the only one.
	So there's a bunch of them.
	So if I'm if I'm Matt, and I want to make money, but I'm in the military, I'm in the government, I'm not allowed to take equity positions myself.
	What do I do?
	I go and sell this whole idea.
	I make sure that the huge amounts of money start getting appropriated and given to Moderna as grants from the government.
	Me being in the stream of this information early on makes me hugely valuable to a whole bunch of venture funds who can hire me as a consultant.
	Also, I have friends and family who can invest in those venture funds as limited partners, which is secret.
	Okay.
	And then of pour money into into this sure thing, because I'm also funding all of the government activity that's going to make it a huge success down the line.
	And that's how we did it.
	Same way Bill Gates got in.
	Same way like a whole bunch of sovereign funds.
	So for example, United Arab Emirates sovereign fund is an investor in Moderna.
	No way.
	There are huge investments from all kinds of sovereign funds like this, but also private equity funds, venture funds, which have groups of individuals and corporations as limited partners, and those are secret.
	So you have a billion coming from DARPA and another four billion coming from these people.
	Unbelievable.
	And just to lay this out, it was $995 million from BARDA, $81 million from DARPA, $56 million was added when DARPA founded the Pandemic Prevention Platform, the P3.
	And then several U.S. governments have invested billions in research funds into the MRNA system.
	In addition to DARPA, the Bill and Melinda Gates Foundation and other private donors, and as you mentioned, sovereign funds, were also among the sponsors of Moderna in exchange for patent shares.
	So this is the definition of fascism.
	This is the coming together 100% of private corporations, private non-governmental organizations, trusts, governments.
	And the federal government, our military-industrial complex here in the U.S., to create a sure thing.
	A sure thing.
	I mean, imagine that.
	I mean, they made billions and billions of dollars when they rolled out the COVID vaccines.
	Everyone had to take them.
	They had propaganda coming from the government, coercive measures coming from the government.
	Entire countries were signing contracts with Pfizer, like Israel, That essentially established their populations of people as experiments.
	I mean, our government sold their populations.
	And this is why when you say democide, you're absolutely right.
	Go ahead.
	Yeah, so they set up this whole financial bonanza for themselves this way.
	And it's clear because... Oh, also I published on this Moderna So Moderna was public at the time, like in 2020 they were already public, but the stock was trading very, you know, at pennies, despite all this.
	Investment that's sitting there, right?
	Right.
	Right.
	The stock is trading in pennies.
	Then they went to FDA on February 19th, 2020.
	So we're here.
	There is no lockdown.
	There's no even public health emergency announcement, nothing.
	There's no cases or illness yet anywhere, really.
	There are some rumors from China.
	So on February 19th, Moderna goes and gets their IMD filed or investigational new drug exemption filed.
	for this vaccine in Operation Warp Speed.
	Actually, it wasn't even Moderna.
	NIH filed it on their behalf.
	They couldn't get their act together fast enough.
	So NIH runs in, opens an IND for Moderna.
	So again, it's government opening an IND with government.
	Gosh.
	So your government bringing the product to the government to be regulated, opens the IND.
	What happens the following day?
	Huge trade up in Moderna's stock.
	And I'm like, wow, geniuses.
	How did they know that this meeting happened?
	How did they?
	And it's really just a few people sitting at the top, the levers of power who have, you know, who understand this mechanism and the power of fear, owning the media, able to.
	I mean, essentially, you mentioned the economic aspect of this, where when you have a government engaging or the reserve currency with the U.S. dollar and just printing just insane amounts of cash and passing it out to everyone, how they can really draw people into where when you have a government engaging or the reserve currency with the U.S. dollar and just printing just insane amounts of cash
	And meanwhile, not only are they destroying the economy of the United States of America, the livelihood of, you know, so many Americans are, you know, are health.
	I mean, but, you know, they're consolidating an enormous amount of power for themselves.
	What is their ultimate goal?
	We're gonna go to break in a moment, but like What is that?
	What is the end game from this?
	I mean they they have poisoned Hundreds of millions, if not billions, of people worldwide with these vaccines.
	I mean, the suppression of the immune system, the adverse impact, the vulnerability of the body to the spike protein and lipid nanoparticles, and half of the... I mean, we don't even know what half of the ingredients are in some of these vaccines.
	So, what is their end goal here?
	I mean, what can you What can you surmise from the work that you've done about these people and what they hope to accomplish?
	Yeah, I believe that one of the goals is to controlling the population.
	And control involves multiple aspects, including the numbers of people, right?
	And that's always been an explicit goal.
	Population control, there's a famous Kissinger memo about it.
	So now, was it specifically designed to kill off people?
	I think primarily they wanted to as you said, with this redistribution, with printing money, because they have control of the money source.
	So with printing money and redistributing it through these schemes to the preferred people, because everyone in this chain is a friend of a friend.
	So it's some some sort of a collective.
	It's an elite.
	Yeah, it's an elite.
	Well, I don't call them elite.
	I call them the blob.
	But the blob is organized.
	Right.
	And so they've organized themselves and they said, OK, this one gets this a billion dollars and this one gets another billion dollars.
	And then we found all these private enterprises like Disney and NBA and like all the academic institutions to force the mandate.
	So all of this is held together with this huge amount of money.
	but the money is pumped through the system, not through the fair market.
	It's pumped through preferred channels, just like any totalitarian regime would do.
	So I think that's kind of the primary goal is to establish that control, to finalize the destruction of democratic process, any shreds of it that we have, of democratic governance is now fully gone because now we have this fascism.
	You're correct.
	And in fact, the Department of Defense themselves telling this in all of the press conferences for Operation Warp Speed.
	I did a clip of just one of them.
	Where General Talley, who is their spokesperson, repeats about a dozen times in one press conference, whole-of-government approach, whole-of-government approach, whole-of-government approach, which means fascism, which means we, DOD, now in charge of the whole of government.
	So all of the three branches, we don't have the three branches anymore.
	They all collapsed under this whole-of-government.
	And all the federal agencies are now reporting to us.
	And that's what he asserts over and over.
	The preemption of this military law of all of the state and federal and any democratic governance that we used to have.
	So that was their primary goal, this whole of government establishing this control mechanism.
	Then secondary to that, they just didn't care how many people they killed.
	In fact, they prefer to kill as many as possible.
	And that's what we're having.
	Well, and then they can establish ultimate control, right?
	If you can convince the population to democide themselves voluntarily through manipulation and propaganda and all of these power centers that they've erected.
	And it's true.
	I mean, it's this coming together of a military and government cabal with the, you know, Large billionaire funds, people like Bill Gates and working with other elites throughout the country or throughout the world, you can have this situation where over time they just gain more and more power.
	And it's very interesting as they're crashing and crushing our dollar.
	Right.
	The American dollar.
	That's what they're in the process of doing right now.
	They're destroying our standard of living as we speak right now for the middle class and even lower classes.
	They have all this cash to play with.
	And of course, they're investing in gold, metals, land.
	Right.
	I mean, they're going in and buying up.
	Everything else is fake money, right?
	We're still sitting back like trying to make ends meet with our currency that's crashing.
	And but they're, I mean, they're just, they're just, I mean, dumping enormous amounts of cash on their partners and just using everything, right?
	World domination.
	These megalomaniacs, you know, I coined the megalomaniac control freak lunatics about 10 years ago.
	And that's really what they are.
	These people, they just want everything.
	It's very simple.
	I mean, this is a tale as old as time, right?
	This is 4,000 years of human history.
	It is bad people who want everything, and they could care less about how many people they have to crush, roll over, or destroy in order to get all the land, all the gold, all the money, and all the stuff.
	And also to control everything, right?
	Yeah, so this is how they figured out to do it.
	Because as you said, it's hard to go and overtly kill people.
	You get immediate resistance.
	This is kind of a brilliant evil plan is to convince people to go and poison themselves and their children.
	We saw every element of it, and it's true.
	I mean, we talked years ago, you know, at the very beginning of all of this about the use of psychological warfare and information warfare and biological warfare, right?
	Like, these are the mechanisms of war today.
	It's not, you know, it's not your 20th century war with With aircraft carriers and fighter jets and guns and that type of thing.
	This is a whole different, but it's worn nonetheless.
	Right?
	It's a power play and there are players on the, you know, on the board there.
	This is a chess board and there are players and we just need to understand what we, you know, where we are.
	When we come back, we're going to, we're going to continue that discussion with Sasha Ladapova, right?
	Because I think that, that this is the truth of the reality that we live in today.
	We're right in the middle of this.
	And we have all kinds of things happening right now.
	We have the select subcommittee hearings and where a lot of this stuff, Sasha, is coming to the fore.
	We see the stripping of EcoHealth Alliance and all of their funding and the identification of Peter Daszak is the bad guy, but I mean, there are all kinds of, he's kind of just a red herring, right?
	We also have The Limited Hangout, Chris Cuomo, Andrew Cuomo, Leanna Nguyen, right?
	All coming out saying, well, you know... Even Deborah Birx!
	Even Deborah Birx, okay?
	So the playing field is changing.
	The landscape is changing.
	We have the World Health Organization that is moving to establish themselves as the infrastructure of power in the world, the seat of power.
	So we can see all of these things shifting and moving.
	The question is, What are we, the people, going to do about it?
	And how can we set ourselves up to win in this really epic struggle that will determine whether or not people are free and have liberty in the 21st century?
	That's how big the stakes are here.
	And so glad to have Sasha Latipova again with us on the Shannon Joy Show to kind of lay this stuff out, the big picture, that 40,000-foot vantage point.
	You can follow Sasha on Twitter.
	Her handle is at Sasha underscore Latipova.
	You can support her work and her efforts over at Due Diligence and Art.
	That is her substack.
	The substack address is SashaLatipova.substack.com.
	When we come back, we are going to continue this discussion.
	We have seen the landscape.
	Indeed, this is a military operation.
	The vaccines are bioweapons.
	And as people are beginning to figure that out, you're beginning to see the limited hangout, right?
	Some acknowledgement about what happened in the dark days of COVID-19 and the rollout of the vaccine.
	Will they get away with it?
	I have a hunch that it's going to be a little more difficult than they thought as more and more people across the world are waking up to this very disastrous truth.
	So we're going to talk about how to fight back, what to do, how to stop entities like the World Health Organization.
	I think we'll be back.
	All right, let's try that again.
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	Nothing's going.
	with our good friend Sasha Latapovic.
	Keep it right here.
	We'll be back.
	I think we'll be back.
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	Let's try that again.
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	Nothing's going.
	All right.
	The other snowflake.
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	I agree with that.
	That's my approach too.
	Diversify and have real things.
	Thank you for sitting so patiently through my...
	I agree with that.
	I'm like, that's my approach too.
	Yeah.
	Diversify and have real things, own real things.
	Own real things.
	Yeah, absolutely.
	And that doesn't mean you have to throw all of your eggs in that basket.
	But, you know, when economies collapse, there's a period of time, usually three to six months, where everything is just that, you know, the chessboard is tossed in the air and everything is moving.
	And they're trying to move us into those central banking digital currencies, which actually we should probably talk about next, because that's kind of the next step of all of this.
	But it's being able to survive that time and not losing everything, right?
	Holding on to your home and making sure that you're taking care of your family and your community.
	And that's where gold and cash, I think, come in.
	They provide that stopgap, that, you know, bridge to whatever is coming after.
	And to your point, I mean, you've also written on this and talked about this as well.
	That is the next step.
	Now they want to control all of our currencies.
	They want to move us into You know, this new central banking digital currency.
	And then it's even worse, right?
	It's, you know, our currency is is housed on a computer system and they set up all of the social credit scoring.
	Like we've seen the China model as to where they want every Western democracy to go.
	What are your thoughts on that?
	Well, yeah.
	So people like oftentimes people say, you know, the problem is fiat currency because the dollar is, you know, printed on paper.
	It's not backed by real.
	It's real.
	Now, I have to remind everyone, any currency is fiat currency.
	Even gold and silver is fiat.
	The Roman Empire, for example, did the same thing by minting more.
	So minting more silver and gold, inflating everybody else and paying their military to expand the empire.
	And then they started debasing it and so forth.
	So that never changes.
	The problem is not the fiat.
	The problem is the central control.
	of the currency.
	So control of the money source.
	If you control the money source, you can have zero dollars in your account, but you're the richest person in the world.
	Because at any point in time, you can press the button, print more of it, inflate everyone away and do the same thing that we would just discuss.
	This whole tsunami of money went through the preferred channels to capture the control that they needed.
	Right.
	So what we have to fight against is not the fiat itself.
	It's the who controls the source of money.
	And the singular money source control is always a problem because then you have two classes of people, people who have access.
	Or friends of that, you know, aligned with that power axis and everybody else.
	And it's as if we have two different money.
	So that and in fact, that's what the CBDCs are designed to do is to create two classes of money.
	One class of money is these tokens that they would give to little people like us.
	That will have, you know, expiry dates, will be awarded based on your behavior, social credit score.
	You know, you can spend in your zip code, but not spend outside.
	So that's how they lock you down.
	You know, all those cool features, right?
	So that it's actually, it's not the money.
	It's just like a slave token system, right?
	And the factory store.
	But for themselves, obviously, it's a different situation because now they are in control.
	So that's their dream.
	That's what they're aiming to establish.
	And what we have to fight because Yeah, so we have to fight, first of all, digital IDs, any way of connecting us to the money.
	Right.
	Quickly, efficiently, through technology, we have to fight.
	So insist on using cash, insist on paper statements, insist on, like, don't sign up for digital IDs in any shape or form.
	Even resist the biometric, you know, I've recently traveled internationally.
	They now want to photograph you when you're boarding the plane.
	You can just say no.
	People don't know this.
	But when we're standing in line, me and my husband, I'm like, I'm going to refuse and see what happens.
	I refuse.
	They're like, oh, OK, we can manually check it.
	Then he comes next.
	He says, I'm also refusing, so check me manually.
	But people don't know this.
	But first thing you have to do is this.
	Oh, let's test.
	Let's say no.
	Let's see what happens.
	Yes.
	There's so much power in saying no.
	Most people realize that most of these systems, they begin or they're set up as voluntary.
	And you're absolutely right.
	I was taken aback the last time I flew.
	They stuck a camera right in my face and snapped it before I even realized what was going on.
	I'm like, well, this is interesting.
	This is new.
	And no, you have to protect your privacy and decline as much as you possibly can.
	It's my nunya philosophy, like nunya business.
	So anytime you sign up for things, fill out this paperwork, sign up for my chart, sign up for this digital type of thing.
	And you know, in terms of like my doctor's office, they want me to sign up for my chart.
	I'm like, no, none yet.
	None of your business.
	I'll give you as much information as you need to treat me today about this particular thing.
	But other than that, nothing.
	And that goes for my kids and that goes for my finances and my husband and everything.
	That is a huge, huge power move that The population can deploy immediately if they're aware.
	So whenever you recognize signs of this, you know, they're trying to tie you, you know, give you some sort of digital identifier and tie you to all these things, resist that.
	Another thing I want people to know, maybe, you know, switching topic a little bit, but, you know, you mentioned WHO before.
	Yeah.
	So, uh, so this is all related.
	I, WHO is, is, it's just a mechanism for them to, Point to some international law that they're somehow obligated now to follow.
	And enable all the laws, but all the laws that all the evil stuff that WHO wants to do and people, you know, there's a lot of attention fighting those treaties and IHRs.
	Unfortunately, all those laws are already on the books in the states and have been for decades, both in federal and state law.
	And I also wrote about this.
	So the mechanism for CDC to imprison you without due process, kill you, and label your disease X is already fully established in all federal and state laws and local health ordinances.
	And in fact, they practiced it specifically this thing in early 2020 with Diamond Princess and Grand Princess.
	So I had colleagues at CHD, I asked them to file a FOIA specifically for Grand Princess.
	Those were two cruise ships, remember?
	But they were in the news a lot.
	And one was arriving internationally, it was Diamond Princess, and CDC took about a thousand people from that ship into quarantine.
	And, but the Grand Princes, what's interesting, it was already in the United States.
	It was off the coast of California.
	So they were not international arrivals.
	Wow.
	And CDC also took, uh, some 2000.
	So total was 3,100 people that they took from these both ships, international and domestic, put in the military facility.
	No.
	Yeah.
	They were held at the DOD facilities.
	And of course, these people didn't know what was happening.
	They were told a bullshit story.
	Sorry for my questions.
	It's okay.
	Go for it.
	No, it was bullshit.
	Go ahead.
	So they were told a story about, oh my God, you don't have any symptoms, but we just tested you with this PCR test and you have this deadly emergent novel pathogen of pandemic potential.
	Okay.
	That's a story.
	I have a scary monster under the bed and it's just going to jump out any minute now.
	Can I show you any of the evidence?
	No, no, that would be too dangerous.
	So, but you have to do what I say and you have to go into this military detention center now, but it's for you.
	We're going to treat you with wonderful, new, wonderful doctors who understand infectious disease, like Michael Callahan from CIA is going to come and personally be your physician.
	Right, which happened.
	And so they held those 3,100 people without due process under pretenses of this BS narrative and BS PCR test.
	10 of them died.
	No!
	Yeah, 10 of them died.
	Of course, promptly disposed of because it's so dangerous and labeled COVID.
	And that's exactly what these IHRs and WHO pandemic treaty are designed to do, obligate the countries to do at the international level when WHO says this new XYZ is an emergent pathogen of pandemic potential.
	How do you know it's pandemic potential?
	Oh, because we predict the future with certainty.
	Oh, their modeling, you know, their models are great.
	Yeah.
	So also think about it that pandemics or epidemics will don't exist at all, but epidemics, okay, you can say there's some local outbreak of something.
	It will always declared post facto, after the fact, after you've observed what's going on, you calculated cases based on real symptoms and real illness, calculated deaths, again, based on reality, Or economic impact again, based on reality, you have to accumulate data to say, oh, it was epidemic because compared to these previous years, you know.
	So that was normal public health.
	Now that's out of the window.
	Now we just predict based on a computer model of both viruses.
	Viruses are all computer models.
	They're not real.
	PCR doesn't test for it.
	It's not diagnostics.
	Never been proven.
	Never have been tested against anything to demonstrate with placebo control that it actually detects this.
	So anyway, so all of this is complete vaporware.
	They are now enshrined in public health regulations.
	It's not even law.
	They're just saying, oh, it's health regulations.
	We don't need to follow, you know, congressional whatever in three branches.
	No, no, it's not imprisoning you without due process and without any criminal charges or anything.
	It's just because health.
	Yeah, it's for your health.
	They certainly have set up an infrastructure of regulations and laws.
	And to your point, Sasha, I think you're absolutely right.
	We're battling that here in New York State.
	Yeah, Bobby and Cox has now has lost on appeal, but you know that it's kind of in the works.
	But here in New York State, and I had a hunch, you know, if you were to go and look at any of the 50 states, red and blue, if you were to dig in through the regulatory, you know, the regulations put out by certain agencies, health agencies in those states, you would find that
	The state does have the regulatory, and that's not to say this is constitutional or ethical or even legal, but from a regulation standpoint, to go in, seize a person out of their home in the middle of the night, detain them for an extended period of time, as long as they want, without due process, without the ability to contact a lawyer, without an ability even to contact a family or friend to let them know where you are, right?
	And they have the right to inject you, to, you know, do medical interventions against your will while you're in, you know, captivity.
	That's on the books in New York State right now.
	And every state is trying to, like, hell to keep it on the books.
	You're saying that this is mimicked in other states as well?
	It's in all states.
	And, yeah, all states, including Florida, for example.
	Our darling Desantis.
	DeSantis, I don't like it.
	Tell me about it.
	It's freedom fighter that he is.
	He installed all this.
	I mean, he has all this.
	This has been put in Florida law before him, but he had the ability to veto it and never did anything about it.
	So he wants to use that against dissidents, you know, against whoever is a dissident against him, I suppose.
	So every governor wants to have this power in their hands.
	They don't want to give this power up.
	They want to be able to throw anyone into prison under pretenses of public health.
	That's wonderful, isn't it?
	I mean, I think that's what Nazis did, too.
	They also said that it's public health related.
	Yes.
	You know, so... Well, and then the Soviets throw... I mean, didn't they... And the Soviets, yeah.
	Yeah, they classified people as...
	Mentally impaired.
	That was practiced both in the U.S.
	and the Soviet Union simultaneously as a mechanism of getting rid of dissidents.
	And remember that was, you know, heavily criticized in the U.S.
	and that's how they abolished sort of these mental institutions and so forth.
	But now they went into the infectious disease quarantine.
	So it's the same mechanism, it's just labeled differently.
	But yeah, so I tell people, so you have to be watchful when anything declared by your local state or federal as a pandemic outbreak somewhere.
	So they typically, what they typically do, they tie you to that location.
	So they're saying, oh, you travel to this place, which is declared pandemic or outbreak.
	And therefore now we have the right to issue you this arrest warrant, which is quarantine papers.
	And you have to, And so resist that.
	We got them in New York State.
	Sasha, my daughter was at a volleyball practice and the local health commissioner did not like me and my big mouth on my radio show in the dark days of COVID-19 because I raged against everything and I named names every single day.
	They did not like me.
	And yeah, they pinned my daughter at a volleyball practice that she wasn't at, and then showed up on a Saturday morning with two armed police officers and two agents of the health department on my front steps, banging on the door, terrified my daughter and my son to hand deliver quarantine papers to my daughter.
	And to our knowledge, that was the only time ever in the history of the department or even in the state that they sent armed officers to a home to deliver those papers.
	So it was clearly an intimidation tactic back in 2021.
	But they desperately want these powers, for sure.
	Oh, yeah.
	And that's exactly what they're going to try to do.
	So what I tell people, you have to Don't let them in.
	Ask them, are you being arrested?
	Ask them for what charges.
	Ask them if you violated any law.
	Explain that law.
	You know, demand a warrant from a judge if you're being detained.
	Don't let them examine you.
	Do not take any PCR tests.
	Don't let them touch you because they can poison you also.
	My word.
	And, you know, so just basically I wrote some recommendations of what people can do lawfully resisting this, but number one is you have to recognize what it is.
	You have to recognize that there's an attempt to arrest you without due process, as opposed to, oh, you are sick with a very symptomatic strange virus.
	So, like, the lie has to go.
	You have to, in your head, have a proper vocabulary.
	Yeah, yeah.
	We're talking to Sasha Ladakova.
	Great, great advice.
	And as we move into, again, I believe we're in the middle of this great war.
	It is a great war.
	The mechanisms of Warfare are psychological manipulation, information warfare, biological warfare, and the use of these regulations and these, you know, supranational government bodies like the World Health Organization to give the illusion of power so that they can try to control what happens in localities.
	So, it all goes back to that local level and what you're talking about, Sasha, is very granular resistance.
	To many of these things.
	It starts with the mind and understanding what is happening here and what we're in the midst of.
	Understanding who the players are, right?
	It's not a Democrat versus Republican thing.
	It's not a conservative versus liberal thing.
	It is, you know, a cabal of Of, you know, very wealthy and connected individuals in governments, corporations, and these are the people that meet at places like Davos to put these plans in place, and they control everyone in that lower infrastructure through money, just enormous amounts of money.
	And then you have that middle executive class that does all of the controlling, and they're just sucking the money in.
	They're not even thinking.
	You mentioned, like, you know, who the useful idiots are in that sense.
	And then you have the rest of us who are like, what the heck is going on?
	You've got to understand where we are in the scope of history.
	And humanity has been in times like these throughout human history.
	So this is not anything particularly extraordinary.
	We just have to understand, you know, the characteristics of it so that we can protect ourselves and our families.
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	So this is War.
	Yeah, right.
	So this is war.
	We're at war.
	We're the good guys.
	We talk about the bad guys.
	In everything that you do, I mean, you have your finger on the pulse of the freedom movement, so to speak, and so you're watching and writing and observing.
	Where are you finding really great information, really great research, really great advice as we look at this new paradigm or we look at Our country and our freedoms and everything that happened in context of COVID-19 through this new paradigm of, yeah, they're going for everything.
	They want everything.
	Every human, every landmass, every body of water, every natural resource on the planet.
	They're playing for poops.
	Who do you like these days?
	No one?
	I, you know, I like you!
	There you go, alright!
	You know, there's some voices, exactly, as you said, it becomes much clearer once you've observed it for some time, you know, now we're four years into it.
	And there's some voices that, you know, from the very beginning were saying these things, you know, I know I found you, you know, because of the more, you know, local Rochester connection, Right.
	And I've been on Jane Ruby's show many, many times and she was right on the money about many things.
	Even things I disagreed with her and I thought, wow, she's like too harsh.
	Yeah.
	But turns out she was right.
	And I'm like, yeah, OK.
	Yeah.
	So there are others.
	I mean, I found well, I found Catherine Watt.
	I mean, she's not like a media personality, but she writes on Substack and yes, it's it's a must read for anybody who wants to understand law and perversion of law around this and Unfortunately, you know while I know a lot of lawyers read her stuff Then when they file cases, it's as if they didn't and I also understand why because a lot of you know We currently somebody somebody tallied it up a while back.
	It was over 20,000 legal cases filed in the u.s in relation to various COVID problems, you know, the vaccine, the COVID murder protocols in the hospitals, vaccine deaths and injuries and all that mandates.
	So huge numbers of legal cases are hanging around the All sorts of courts and systems.
	And most of the time, these cases enshrine lies further into law.
	Because once you litigate something, you also create what's called precedent.
	And our court system is very heavily reliant on precedents.
	Every case you read, almost, especially early on, they're all enshrining this fake pandemic.
	Oh, there was a terrible pandemic of virus.
	This is in the introduction section.
	So they're affirming this narrative that there was a terrible virus.
	There wasn't.
	Affirming the narrative that PCR is some kind of a valid diagnostic.
	It's not.
	The fake thing, it's a lab trick, and it has never been validated as a diagnostic test.
	Then they go on saying that this was a vaccine, and this was a pharmaceutical, and it was supposed to be in compliance.
	Again, a lot of cases filed by high-profile figures, like for example, Ken Paxton from Texas.
	He filed this case against Pfizer based on deceptive marketing practices.
	And okay, I give him the benefit of doubt that he's trying to drag them into the state court, and that doesn't seem to be working very well anyway.
	But he also went as far as accurately describing EUA law, which very few people do.
	But then omitting one very key component of that EUA law, which of course Pfizer immediately came and, you know, did him in that.
	Because he said, oh, it's an investigational, experimental product, these COVID vaccines.
	And they're not.
	Right.
	They're not.
	They're by law.
	They're countermeasures.
	They are countermeasures.
	It's a military, yeah.
	Yeah.
	And countermeasure is, in the US law, it says it's a non-investigational status.
	Right.
	Non-investigational status, meaning, just as I said, just as is It treats people as enemy combatants.
	If we kill and injure them, we have no liability.
	And the courts and the judges then say, oh, your client is wrong.
	It wasn't a clinical investigation.
	It wasn't experimental use.
	Yeah.
	I think what they try to do, and I've had so many of them on, I think that it's all, it's such a heavy lift to even convince a judge, let alone a jury, let alone other attorneys, of the truth that you're stating, Sasha.
	This is like, It's so big that I think what they try to do is, like, they try around the periphery just to win for their clients, or somehow, you know, squeeze through, but they're omitting the whole truth.
	Listen, you're not going to get any disagreement with me.
	I am a rip-the-band-aid-off kind of gal.
	Like, if you're not omitting the whole truth, then it's never going to work for you in the end.
	It's not just a matter of communication, it's a matter of correctly laying out the law.
	Because if you correctly laid it out, you know, even at the beginning, and people would like have these big eyes looking at you, then the judge has, and the attorneys, they all have responsibilities to go read that law.
	Right.
	And find how you're wrong, and they can't.
	And so that would have been a very important way to elicit this.
	Now we have, some cases have been successful in eliciting the response from the blob to admit that they mean to kill you.
	So for example, Brooke Jackson's case, finally after several years, Department of Justice came in support of Pfizer, put a motion in saying that Judge, please dismiss Brooke's case finally because this is against US public health policy.
	So they're telling you it is US public health policy to kill you and injure you with these vaccines.
	But that took so many years.
	And again, they're counting on this to take so long.
	And run the clock out until they establish all these, you know, legal control mechanisms, the kill box mechanism, you know?
	You're right about the Brooke Jackson case.
	And Brooke's been on the program a couple of times with her efforts.
	And you're absolutely right.
	They were able to get Pfizer to admit that they produced and provided the fraud that the government ordered.
	That was one of the big bombshells that came out of Brooke's case.
	And in addition, I believe it was Brooke's case that opened the door To the release of all the Pfizer documents, right?
	Pfizer wanted to keep all of their clinical trial information under wraps for 75 years.
	Wasn't that the thing?
	That wasn't Brook's case.
	It was, um, so Aaron Seery went and argued that.
	So that's a separate one, but, but yeah, they kind of coincided and this was what Brook's case actually, uh, was important in producing the contracts.
	Yeah, so the military contracts.
	Before that, we didn't have any military contracts.
	After that, a lot of them have been FOIAed.
	Excellent.
	And so that was extremely important.
	Yeah, so plus that, plus Aaron Sears FOIAing the data that they wanted to hide for 75 years.
	But notice, even after he did that, nothing changed.
	So people are saying, well, but we need to, once we have this like real, real evidence of injury and harm, then they will stop.
	They have to stop.
	And we're saying, no, they don't have to stop.
	Look at the law.
	Right.
	Look at the law.
	FDA does not regulate this.
	Well, it's a process.
	I think that people like Myself, we get frustrated and we get impatient with the process because we're kind of like, can we skip through all of this and just get to the truth, please?
	Right?
	Let's just do it.
	And the issue is, and I think we've learned this with COVID-19 and the lockdowns and just how gullible so many people are and how trusting so many people are.
	And when you have 60 years of vaccine propaganda and 60 years of embedded, and it's not just, I mean,
	Some of the highest level, I mean, sophisticated propaganda that you can imagine leveled at the American people every single day from everywhere, from Hollywood, from mainstream news media press, in the teaching colleges, in, you know, when you go to medical school, when you go to nursing school, like it's layer upon layer upon layer of a narrative that is so firmly embedded in the psyche of the American population and all of our systems.
	Our politicians, our judges, our attorneys, the court system that unraveling it is in penetrating it.
	Is very difficult.
	But I'm of the mindset, Sasha, that it's like peeling an onion, right?
	One layer at a time.
	And the closer and closer you get, you know, every time you're able to remove a layer, and that would be, you know, the success of Brooke Jackson, and what she was able to accomplish, and even, you know, the success of Erin Seery, that you move closer to the truth.
	And really, the complete red-pilling of every American.
	And Sasha, I think we're there.
	I mean, Chris Cuomo and Andrew Cuomo...
	And Katherine Birx, and all of these folks engaging in this insane limited hangout right now, where all of a sudden, all of a sudden, everything we said about the COVID, right?
	Believe me, they don't want to do that.
	They have to, because there is some segment of the American population that has, even if they're not saying it out loud, they have rejected the narrative.
	They're not getting COVID-19 vaccines anymore, and they're not getting regular vaccines anymore.
	The American population is moving in ways And there are signals there that there is, you know, even though it's slow, but there is an awakening.
	So, like, I get you.
	Believe me.
	Well, it's real, but it's like, I think we have to give, I get why people are trying to, you know, I get why people are trying to kind of work within the system and work within the narratives that people are able to understand.
	Even though I wouldn't do it, I don't do it, but I can understand what people are.
	The problem is that the way they brainwash people is by having them repeat lies.
	And it's very, very important.
	So like you noted, through the educational system, especially in health care, academia, anywhere you want to get ahead, get promoted, you have to start, you have to affirm lies.
	And they started now, and because this has been so successful in mass brainwashing, notice this whole like woke culture.
	It's not just because that they want to, you know, introduce these Satanic notions like, you know, transgenderism and pedophilia and all those things.
	It's not only that.
	It's just they want to start you as early as possible to repeat the lies.
	Turn off independent thinking and repeat the lies.
	And once you start repeating the lies... So I also wrote... My personal favorite essays that I wrote, they're actually not very much COVID related.
	They're related to this, to the brainwashing.
	How do you become free?
	How do you get enslaved?
	And how can you get liberated?
	And number one thing is through words.
	Words.
	People don't realize how important that is.
	You have in your head a model, and that's like LLM.
	So LLMs are similar to what's in your head.
	A large language model, which is basically words are in your brain, in your thinking, the words are basically associated with each other.
	So the more commonly used words together, they stay together.
	That's how we don't have to think about what we're saying.
	We're actually mostly doing it automatically.
	Wow.
	And again, when you learn a foreign language like I did, and to become fluent in it, you actually have to construct this model in your head over time, where you can recall the words without thinking about it.
	Based on prompts.
	That model is why you function and how you think.
	And when it's been structured through lies, when it's been structured through childhood, where you were told to repeat the lies, you can no longer self-adapt.
	You have surrendered your whole being, because that's your being, your thinking.
	You have already surrendered it to the people who've been telling you to repeat these lies.
	So they feed you words and the words are no longer yours.
	And they are no longer independently derived by you.
	OK, so that's what I tell people.
	You have to pay attention to words all the time.
	Most people don't.
	Most people just listen to emotional content of the conversation.
	And, uh, they kind of like emote instead of thinking.
	And if they like somebody, like somebody looks good, somebody is a celebrity, somebody.
	So just by these external features, they say, okay, should I like, how should I emotionally sink to this?
	And that's all they do because it's, it's, it's energy using much less energy.
	You can be lazy.
	Right?
	So that's how people prefer to think.
	And I'm, I'm not saying you recognize what you're doing.
	Stop.
	And assess the words, like listen exactly to what the person is saying.
	And you will hear, all of a sudden you start hearing, oh my god, he just talked out of both sides of his mouth.
	He just said this, and then he said exactly opposite.
	But he said it with this intonation that's kind of like, oh, I'm supposed to be agreeing with you.
	That's right.
	So that's a very common tactic.
	And so, like, coming back to Chris Cuomo and all these other people, I think they're liars.
	They're professional liars.
	Oh, yeah.
	And, you know, what they're doing right now is more related to elections than anything else.
	Yes, they are.
	They have the data saying that the public is moving away from this narrative.
	We can no longer lie to them so much directly because they recognize keywords.
	And also because, you know, people Trump's base is angry at him and turning away from him because of this vaccine issue.
	Okay, so now we need to act on it as if we're the good guys to capture that wave that's moving away from Trump.
	So that's what they're doing, including Deborah Birx, including like Yes, certainly the political aspect of that.
	I have said for quite some time that they just, they can't wait to hang this albatross around Trump's neck in the election.
	I mean, and he has handed this to them on a silver platter.
	He is the father of the vaccine.
	He loves himself some Operation Warp Speed.
	He saved hundreds of millions of lives and he has doubled, tripled and quadrupled down on this every single time he's given it out.
	Every single time they give him the opportunity to back off from this, he just dives right in, even deeper.
	And so I agree with you.
	I mean, there's some people who don't think that that's the case, but I think this certainly is an attempt to hang the vaccine, the bioweapon, on Donald Trump.
	It's completely disingenuous.
	They are complete liars, professional liars, 100%.
	And I think that you are really, you know, what you just talked about with language, is fascinating to me.
	And it is so true.
	And it starts with that first lie.
	And you can't repeat lies, and you can't accept lies, and you can't accept people lying to you.
	But we've really become a nation that embraces so many lies.
	But you can see how just the nature of forcing little kids to see a biological male And repeat out of their mouths that this biological male, that they just, that they went through kindergarten, first grade, second grade, third grade, and then all of a sudden in fourth grade, that biological male is now a female.
	And now we have to call them, you know, she, her, and it's a, it's a, it's, it's like a total, like, mind play on these kids.
	It's a complete mind play, and it's complete mind play on, Children and young adults, because by nature children have a lot of conformity because they don't have a lot of power, and then teenagers want to fit in.
	Uh, you know, and young people, you know, looking for career options and so forth.
	So this is like, it's, it's again, brilliant evil plan with these pronouns, right?
	Because you think like, I have such a minor thing, you know, it's just a person wants to be called that.
	And, you know, why am I being an asshole?
	And, you know, so, so most people will just out of being nice, uh, they, they will comply, but what it does is trains you to tell lies.
	And that's the first step.
	And you have to do it over and because you're interacting with so many people during the day.
	You have to continuously do this.
	And so eventually you lose yourself.
	Eventually your model is so far out into the lie space that you can no longer come back into the truth.
	And I personally know several people like that.
	They are so lost in that space of lying.
	There's nothing that will bring them back.
	It's amazing to conceive of how powerful that is.
	And it's no wonder that they get so agitated when you use the term groomer, right?
	It really bothers them over every other term.
	It's the word groomer, right?
	But it's because, you know, grooming is this slow methodical process of You know, taking a person and desensitizing them to a certain thing.
	So whether it's, you know, sexual deviancy or sexual themes, right?
	You know, they no longer know if they're fed this over and over and over, then they don't, you know, repel against it when, you know, things that should offend them or that should make them run away.
	Then they don't know to run away anymore because they've been conditioned over time.
	So I think that the conditioning of telling people to tell lies and accept lies creates this complete vacuum of truth.
	And I think that's probably where we are right now in this country.
	Exactly.
	And also, you know, nobody should be conditioned to say things, you know.
	But I'm also very, very resistant, regardless of the source and regardless of what people want me to repeat, I don't repeat.
	So that's number one sort of hygiene of your own mental model, of your own being always in control and charge of your own word space.
	This rejection of language that's being imposed on you, especially aggressively, and I'm sure you know what I'm talking about because this is very common on social media.
	You have anonymous trolls
	That swarm and start pushing narratives on you regardless of what it is and whether you think it's true or not If there's a repetitive language being pushed on you That's an aggression and hostility and again regardless of its content Yeah, so so that's what I also advise people to do if somebody is pushing on you viruses exist viruses don't exist You know nanotechnology nanobots EMFs 5g's and it's a repeated repetitive bullet points
	Uh, rejected.
	Yeah, with a fear theme underlying it, right?
	Well, a fear theme or something, and they just want you to, so somebody comes, you never say this, you must say this, and I'm like, I'm not a parrot.
	Get yourself a parrot if you want something like that.
	Yeah.
	So anyway, because you need to maintain integrity of your own space.
	You can listen to it and select which, based on logical, rational evaluation of the words, you can select which ones are acceptable for you, which are not.
	But don't take anything like being pushed on you, being programmed into you, You have to say these things in exchange for money.
	Like, you know, you're getting hired somewhere and you have to write your DEI statement.
	Don't do that.
	Just don't do that.
	Resist that.
	This is how we re-establish our freedom.
	Collectively, freedom.
	Because freedom starts with words.
	Yes.
	Sasha Latipova, do you think that we're getting to a point where enough people are waking up and that we could hit a tipping point and really resist?
	I mean, they have, as we talked earlier in this discussion, All of the money, all of the power, all the organizations, both political parties, multiple countries, they're playing for keeps.
	They want to establish, obviously, the control of the population.
	That is why they want to be able to force vaccinate everyone.
	It establishes control of human bodies.
	And then they want to move us into the obviously the central banking digital currency in this new economic reality where there are two separate currencies, right?
	We have the currencies that are controlled by the governments, the central governments and tied to our social credit score and very arbitrary, easily manipulated.
	And then they have all the wealth, right?
	As they collapse the dollar, we have nothing.
	They're able to buy up the land and the gold and the commodities and all the things of real value.
	And so that's all in play.
	That's why the World Health Organization is going to be voting on this treaty coming up in just seven days to try to establish that power.
	I'm very, very heartened to see that Julian Assange won on appeal today.
	That was a huge development this morning.
	He is fighting extradition back into the United States of America and just won a huge court battle.
	And so, you know, there are little signals all over that an awakening is happening in a resistance to this.
	But what needs to happen?
	I mean, we talked about words.
	You just talked about, you know, being an individual, how to protect yourself and guard yourself against lie narratives.
	Like, that's the start.
	That's the first individual thing.
	And then, you know, when you do that, you begin to impact.
	And just your very existence has the ability to red pill people.
	Because they're like glitched.
	When you talk, they're like, wait a second.
	I have the experience.
	I come across, and even friends from a long time ago, and I'm like, they see me and they are like, the Matrix is glitching.
	I call it saucer eyes.
	I'll get in a discussion with someone, they'll ask me some questions, and all of a sudden their eyes just get bigger and bigger and bigger as I'm talking.
	And I'm like, oh gosh, I am blowing their mind right now.
	Yeah, so it's true.
	By your existence, you are creating... I also tell people, maybe it sounds a little bit metaphysical, but it's not.
	It's actually quite physical, because we are physical reality ourselves.
	We live in the material world.
	We are representing the words that we speak.
	They create material reality.
	Hmm.
	Well, they're just words, but we have to express, you know, we express ourselves in writing.
	We make things.
	So, uh, that, that creates reality.
	You want to create as much of reality of truth as possible because those are like the seeds that will grow it into some sort of a cohesive movement.
	Uh, but I'm not calling it the movement.
	It's more like existence, way of being.
	And, And so, yes, and interact with people and try that.
	Now, as far as how this is going to go, I think the history is a predictor of the future.
	This is, you're right, this happened before many, many times.
	Empires do collapse.
	We're in the collapsing or actually already collapsed empire.
	It's just disintegrating.
	And it depends on how it's going to disintegrate.
	Typically, what happens is these larger power structures fall into smaller ones, regional ones.
	There can be some regions with more problems than others, so my personal view is, and it's probably quite obvious, large cities are not the place to be in those times, because this is where they're moving in the replacement hordes.
	I've heard a whole bunch of things.
	Can you talk about that replacement theory?
	You mentioned the replacement hordes and we have, you know, our good friend Naomi Wolf over at Daily Clout has been doing some great reporting.
	Other entities as well.
	Michael Yon has been very good on this.
	Essentially moving in.
	I mean, the movement of migrants into the United States of America right now is very different than what we have seen in past migration cycles, where it's women and children and families and they're coming in, you know, from refugee situations.
	These are very, very clear.
	They're moving very young, fighting-aged young men, no bags, very, very little luggage.
	And they're consolidating them and housing them in hotels and, you know, emptied out school buildings.
	And this is happening in the urban areas.
	Can you expand on that a little bit for the audience?
	Yes, so this is another thing and that's actually historically what happens with again collapse and disintegration of empires then whatever the regional so empire is always it's a it's a collection of what previously used to be independent states.
	Just like we have 50 states in the U.S.
	they used to be independent they became a federation which in turn you know it was always focused on itself Large territory with lots of expansion internally.
	Once that was over, I started focusing externally, started building global empires, when also NATO through wars, through now endless wars, numerous regime changes and so forth.
	And so the empire structure is always dependent on external growth, capturing more and more satellites, bringing them into your orbit and then collecting rent from that.
	Yeah, sure.
	We ran out of that space.
	There is nothing more to expand into.
	And then the dollar weakens, and the same happened with the Roman Empire, exact same thing.
	The denarius got debased, dollar got debased.
	Now we're at the stage where we have to continue expanding, relying on the army.
	Also, empires always rely on huge militaries, especially navy, and especially deep sea navy.
	So it's not like coastal navy, it's the navy that goes across the world.
	And that's the U.S.
	right now, but we're different countries before you.
	The British was that the Portuguese, the Spanish, you know, so so now we're at the stage where overexpanded dollars debased completely.
	We have to pay the military in the Navy to maintain the power.
	The satellites are starting to peel off because they don't believe in the dollar anymore.
	They don't take it.
	They don't buy treasuries.
	We have to hold even more guns to their heads, but they still resist.
	And so we're in the stage now where it's all starting to crackle and fall apart.
	And how it falls apart is unpredictable.
	It just depends on relative power of that region.
	Usually regions further away peel away first, because that's much more difficult to maintain.
	And so that's just, you know, my prediction is this process will continue.
	You have to be watchful what's happening in your neighborhood, where you are.
	Are you in a big city?
	Do you see a lot of these migrants?
	Maybe people should report more if they see where they are.
	I would like to know where they are.
	I know Michael Young put some statistics out where they went.
	Number one was New York City, LA, San Francisco, and then some city Austin and like other cities in Texas.
	But, you know, I'd like, you know, more citizen reporters explaining what's going on.
	If you're an owner of the hotel and they're telling you to house these people, why don't you report?
	Right, right.
	Tell the public what's going on.
	Yeah, I think right now the information is out there.
	We're seeing the imaging of them coming in.
	Obviously, they're shipping out via plane, train, and automobile into the interior of the country, and then they disperse.
	It's hard to know where they're at.
	But there have been certain stories about school districts being closed down to house some of these people, and it's quite disturbing.
	And yeah, the replacement theory is that, you know, these individuals will come in and somehow, you know, I'm not really sure.
	I mean, it seems far-fetched to me to imagine that they are here to conduct military operations.
	I think they are.
	I think they are.
	I think these are the private armies that are being assembled by those regional Fiefdoms or the chiefs of the regions whether and usually typically it's a it's a it's a collection It's a symbiosis of the local government or state government with criminal organization that operational in that state.
	All right We've seen that so so it could be a Newsom with some Mexican cartel Assembling his own Newsom's private army.
	Mm-hmm in case when the when the United States falls apart It's quite possible that people like Gavin Newsom are assembling these things for themselves.
	Wow.
	It's not necessarily a DOD-driven thing.
	And you're speaking from your knowledge of history and how when empires collapse, these are the things that happen.
	That would be a good time to form your groups, right?
	Your community organizations, your community groups, and probably have a conversation with your sheriff, right?
	Especially, you know, a couple of questions like these quarantine orders, like the cops that came knocking on your door.
	What are you going to do in that case?
	And also how you stand on this type of movement, you know, because it is a given historic fact.
	So again, with the collapse of the empires, like Roman Empire, Spanish, whatever, they bring in external mercenaries.
	So the Greeks also, I'm reading the history of the Peloponnesian War, Same thing they did.
	So Athens versus Sparta, Athens starts losing a little bit, they bring in the Persians.
	They start importing mercenary military force because they need whatever resource they can grab to re-establish their power.
	Yeah, I think that this is, I mean, we, Sasha, have been talking about this for ages, you know, bottom-up organization, getting in your community, knowing your neighbors, talking to your sheriff, talking to your police organizations, always being connected to, I mean, because really, I would say will be local police organizations in towns and villages across the U.S.
	That will be critical if something like that were ever to happen.
	And we're not saying that it is.
	It's just we are in truly extraordinary times.
	And you, I mean, your Eastern European background, Sasha, I think you look at things differently than Americans because we've never experienced this, but you have.
	Yeah.
	Yeah.
	I have.
	I mean, didn't come to the armed conflict then, but like, look at this now.
	They destroyed my country.
	And that's Empire that destroyed Ukraine.
	It wasn't, you know, Russia all of a sudden decided to invade.
	No, no, no.
	This is U.S.
	invaded it like a long time ago.
	Yeah.
	So U.S.
	made it a satellite territory, you know, kind of like softly moving in first and then much more aggressively.
	And, you know, that's what I'm saying.
	So these are the regional kind of things that happen.
	And you have to be watchful for it.
	And I'm not saying it will happen.
	I'm not saying I know for sure.
	I'm just saying I'm like, you know, it's speculative, but based on what historically happens, like, why do you see a movement of military age, young people who are not from this region, but from some other region of the world?
	What happened?
	Oh, let's look at the history.
	Oh, it happened here, here, here, here.
	And it was all the same thing.
	So it's reasonable to assume that this is something like this is happening here and be prepared for it, at least mentally.
	Yeah.
	So that's that's what I advise people to do.
	You know, read history, especially collapses of empires such as Roman, Greek, Spanish, Portuguese, British.
	And you will see a lot of parallels of what's going on and you will be able to kind of Figure out what might happen next.
	We had David Knight on the program last week.
	He talked about the fourth turning and this is quite cyclical every 80 years or so.
	So, corruption sets in and I just think that it gets to a point where it just unleashes great evil.
	And then you have, you do have this kind of reset.
	I hate to use the term, but you do have, you know, that type of reset.
	When, as I mentioned earlier, all the chess pieces are in the air and things are very fluid and happening very quickly.
	But that doesn't mean that people cannot survive this and even thrive in times like these.
	I mean, you saw out of the Great Depression, out of the Civil War, people who never had opportunity.
	I mean, there's a great opportunity to serve your fellow man and to survive when everyone else is freaking out.
	And, you know, you're ready to go because you're ready for it.
	So the discussion here is not in any way to frighten any of you.
	And Sasha, we have about 1,500 live viewers right now on Rumble, which is super fun.
	Oh, wow.
	So yeah, everyone loves you.
	We were like at 200 and now I'm like, what did I say?
	It was, I mean, it was all that wisdom and truth coming out.
	But no, it's, you know, so the idea is not to frighten, it is to prepare, right?
	It's to prepare, yeah.
	And I think also, again, from history, these types of periods of time, while they could be very hard and scary, they also, those are the periods of great creativity.
	The creativity does not happen when you have a rigid established empire dominating everyone.
	They have the creativity, real human creativity happens.
	And this is this is technological innovation, artistic innovation.
	All sorts of innovations happen when when empires collapse and you have this like fluid situation where there are some regional powers emerging, something else.
	There is much more opportunity for small people who are truly talented based on merit.
	To step up and to create wealth and value for themselves and for their community.
	And so that's what I'm encouraging people to do.
	Don't sit there thinking it will blow over.
	It's not going to blow over.
	That's pretty clear.
	We embrace truth here on the Shannon Joy Show.
	It's not nice all the time, but this is not going to blow over.
	It's hilarious when I see these politicians who are like, everyone is over COVID.
	No one wants to talk about COVID anymore.
	I'm like, it doesn't matter.
	You might not want to talk about COVID, But we have, you know, we have hundreds of millions of people who took these bioweapons and that is going to impact their, I mean, there are all the ramifications.
	I mean, it's all out there.
	So this is not, we're not going to put this cow back in the barn.
	No.
	Yeah.
	So it's not going to blow over.
	You have to, you know, you have to come to the side of the truth.
	Yep.
	You have to wake up as many people as possible.
	Now, I also warn people, if somebody might be already awake, somebody might have heard what you told them and they now decided to consciously join the evil.
	So they're just not telling you that.
	Yeah.
	But so let's try to prevent that from happening.
	Let's try to bring more people on our side, on the side of the light and the side of the truth and say, look, we know what's going on.
	We know how it's going to roughly transpire.
	And let's try to make it as, as you know, human tragedy needs to be avoided as much as possible.
	And again, we can learn from history about this and be watchful and yeah, talk to your neighbors, talk to your sheriff, organize local gardens, ability to sustain yourself, maybe local health networks also necessary because the healthcare system is completely captured.
	But that's what I've been telling people.
	And just be prepared.
	Think about your own resources.
	Diversify.
	You know, things like that.
	Well, and I mentioned that that parallel infrastructure that is so incredibly important.
	And it's something that I've actually witnessed, Sasha, over the past four years.
	There was that, you know, in my industry, I've been largely blackballed in conservative media because I never supported Trump.
	So I was, I was always outside of the system.
	And so my path to where I am today was very different than most paths in, in conservative media.
	And it certainly was not an easy one.
	Definitely not a lucrative one.
	But I am seeing now as the medical freedom community expands and independent media expands, so Children's Health Defense and High Wire and Daily Cloud and FLCCC and all of the medical freedom docs, even though we don't all agree on everything and people are in, you know, kind of different stages of waking up to this.
	I mean, what your truth that you're portraying right now is that We're at war, guys.
	This is war.
	They didn't make a mistake.
	They didn't cut corners.
	It isn't a D versus R thing.
	It's not like Trump or Biden are going to do anything different.
	We are so past that paradigm.
	And that's, I mean, it's still hard.
	I mean, it was hard enough to get people to admit that six feet social distance doesn't work.
	Wearing a filthy rag over your face is going to protect you from an aerosolized airborne virus.
	And then injecting yourself with lipid nanoparticles and spike protein and mRNA that's been tested for literally six months is not a good idea.
	So we're dealing with like layers here.
	But the, you know, I have witnessed the strength in numbers as we, you know, this medical freedom community remains strong and continues to push out enough truth.
	It has the impact of waking people up.
	And then there's, then there's, there's growth and power there, right?
	There's all of a sudden this whole new population of people, 25% of the American population who refuse the COVID vaccines.
	And guess what?
	They buy things, they need cell phone services, they need investment opportunities, they like to plant gardens and build houses, and they want to have children.
	And they're great customers!
	And they're great customers, absolutely!
	Yeah, so businesses need to cater to them, to people who are, you know, who are not afraid, who want to do things, who want to be independent.
	You know, so this is a huge opportunity.
	It's like, again, we're a large country, so 25% is millions of people.
	It's from a marketing perspective, and that's where my expertise is in advertising and marketing.
	So I did that copywriting and you reach frequency, that type of thing, and messaging.
	And 25% is a massive, I mean, this is movements, movements can topple governments with three to 8% of a population that are passionate.
	and devoted and principled.
	And so the idea that we have 25% that resisted that propaganda, and that's uniquely American too, Sasha.
	That's kind of exciting when you think about it, like, what are we going to do?
	How are we going to fight this battle?
	It's a different type of war, but absolutely, absolutely fascinating.
	Yeah.
	So I'm actually optimistic about, especially about the US because of this, because how many people said no, because how many, we still have a lot of levers we can push against, as opposed to Europe, for example, which is much harder, or Australia, obviously.
	Oh my God, my, you know, I have several friends there and it's just horrible.
	So Like, guys rejoice that this could be much worse.
	Yes, it could be much worse.
	And we have a lot of work to do.
	But how wonderful is it, Sasha, that we get to be on the side of truth?
	Yeah, I love it.
	I love it.
	I think it was a gift.
	It was a gift to me also to see a lot of things that I didn't see before.
	I was deluded on a lot of these issues, but it prompted me to look into it.
	And now I feel so much more empowered and so much stronger than I was before.
	Yeah, so it's a gift.
	Well, and I can see, you know, a lot of us want people to wake up immediately.
	And to your point, I was completely in the Matrix 100% as little as 10 years ago when I started this show.
	And, you know, I thought, OK, I'm going to do it.
	You know, I was a Republican.
	conservative, listened to all the conservative media and just thought the Republicans were the good guys and Democrats were the bad guys and fed into all of those narratives.
	And it's taken me, honestly, it took me a full, I would say five years to deprogram out of that, to fully deprogram out of that.
	And then, you know, even further, the whole COVID thing, you know, shocked me to the core You always thought that these things could happen, but you never really thought that they were going to deploy this, that it's here, it's coming, you know?
	And so that was a whole new level of awakening.
	And, and so it, you know, if it takes me this long, I can't, I can't imagine how long it takes other people who are not in proximity of a lot of the information that you and I are privy to, and that we're able to plug into every day because we're in that medical freedom community.
	So, um, you know, I think it does take some time, but I also think that movements get to the point if you, you know, Malcolm Gladwell is a great writer.
	He wrote Tipping Point.
	Yeah, he's a really interesting thinker.
	And he, Tipping Point, actually, if you want a great book on, on movements, right?
	When did the movement tip?
	Right?
	Like, what does it take?
	There are certain key players that are necessary for a movement to tip.
	There have to be certain things in place.
	But when it does tip, it's like an avalanche.
	All of a sudden, it's like a wave.
	When you, you know, read biblically, the scales fall from their eyes.
	It's like that.
	Okay?
	So, I look forward to that as well.
	You know, seeing my friends and neighbors and colleagues.
	And in some ways, we're almost at the precipice of it.
	Because with, you know, the recent admission by AstraZeneca and And, you know, officials testifying on Capitol Hill with the select subcommittee and Leanna Wen and Burks and Cuomo.
	Like, you're almost like, okay, you know, could this really be happening?
	So I'm super optimistic.
	I'm so glad to be connected to you because you're such a wealth of information and wisdom, honestly.
	Like, there are a lot of people in our community that are very smart, right?
	But you have like a knowledge of history and you, you know, you understand the cycles and, you know, you plug everything in today.
	So it's wonderful.
	Thank you.
	Yeah.
	So I encourage people also to read history as much as you can.
	It's hard to actually get the books now.
	I know.
	And information I also published on that.
	And some places you can still find, you know, there are internet archives, some good ones where you can download books for free and papers and, you know, so that's what I encourage people to do.
	Build your own libraries.
	I love it.
	Can you give us a couple of your favorites in terms of, I love getting, like, recommended reading.
	I should do this more, I guess.
	What were some life changers for you in terms of books that you've read?
	So right now I'm kind of on the history, you know, history reading and so the history of the Peloponnesian War.
	It's a large book, but and kind of, you know, it's massive work, but you will see the patterns are very, very similar to what's going on right now.
	The historian that I really like is Arnold Toynbee.
	Almost impossible to find.
	He was the one who popularized comparative civilization.
	And that's important because that's the synthesis of all the history.
	It's not just like this stuff happened on this date.
	He doesn't really write much of that.
	It's more like synthesis.
	What does it mean?
	What kind of society is this?
	What kind of society they're opposing?
	And so forth.
	How it ends.
	How do you spell his last name?
	Toynbee.
	It's like Toy and Bee.
	So he's a British historian.
	His work is almost impossible to find.
	They removed comparative civilization courses from pretty much all main academia.
	And to find his full, he wrote 12 volumes and it's monumental work.
	To find it in single edition and available is impossibility.
	I assembled it from multiple different editions.
	But there are some like abridged versions as well.
	And that's something important to understand.
	And that gives you like, okay, oh, I see what type of civilization we are.
	And I see like how it evolves.
	Yeah.
	So it's just my personal favorite.
	Yeah.
	No, and I had that.
	So Arnold Toybee.
	OK, I'm going to look him up.
	I've been able to get some good stuff on like eBay.
	You can you can get.
	Yeah, you can find on eBay.
	That's it.
	That's where I like eBay.
	Sometimes Amazon has If you can't like the internet archives have a lot of free stuff.
	So there's like Anna's archive.
	I forget the I published on my subset, but so it's called Anna's archive.
	I don't remember the URL.
	Maybe you'll find so there and there's some few other archives where you can Just download books that are out of print and papers and even dissertations that are very interesting.
	That's absolutely fascinating.
	I like the Tyndale's Children's Bible because you really can see cyclical.
	If you do Old Testament and New Testament, I do chronologically.
	I've done the hard stuff, but it's just luxurious.
	You can just read it and you understand everything.
	It's done really, really well, but it's not in production anymore, so you cannot get a Tyndale's Children's Bible.
	You have to go on eBay, and that's where I get them.
	But, but I think, you know, the biblical, the reading of the Bible from, you know, Genesis to the book, the book of Revelation is, I mean, you can see the cycles there too.
	And it's, you know, a very interesting history as well.
	Yeah.
	And read about history of communism.
	Well, I mean, I studied, so I don't read as much now, but like those of you who are not familiar, you should.
	Because this is something you really want to avoid.
	Yeah, absolutely.
	Well, yeah, the collectivism is always at the root of it.
	And that's really just getting us all to be, you know, jealous of each other.
	And then they can turn us against each other.
	And then we're all fighting over the scraps.
	And then they run away with cookie jar.
	Exactly.
	I mean, that's kind of what it is.
	I mean, what I've been able to understand, it's just basically dividing all of us.
	And so we rip each other's faces off and, you know, they get away with everything.
	Yeah.
	Yeah.
	And telling you that, you know, this whole thing about where we're all in it together, be nice.
	It's for, you know, you have to protect other people.
	Those are all collectivist ideas on which they make you comply to these Things as if, oh, I'm going to give up all my wealth and assets so that it can be shared by the community.
	Well, guess what?
	That's never going to be shared by the community.
	They're just going to take them.
	Yep.
	Say now we're the people's government and now we are going to determine how to.
	So that's how that's how communists actually, you know, capture people based on their niceness and not understanding of history.
	It's so true, and it's so amazing how that was deployed during COVID, and how that was the driving factor.
	Somehow they were able to get a line on the American psyche, or the human psyche, and our desire to be charitable, and to help our neighbors, and to be kind.
	And they exploited that in such a disgusting and depraved way.
	When they said, get the vaccine, it's good for your community, you can protect your grandmother, you can protect Your, you know, your family members and it's such a gross way to manipulate people, but it just shows that there is this element of human nature and humanity where we want to be charitable with one another and we want to help each other and they just use it.
	It's so disgusting.
	They use it.
	Yeah.
	So they use it against you.
	So you have to, that's why I'm saying like, again, don't take anybody's words when they come to you and say, this is how you be nice person and protect.
	Don't accept that.
	Evaluate it independently.
	No matter how they look, no matter how nice and how caring they seem, for the same reason you shouldn't trust your doctor.
	Don't trust your doctor.
	Because they're doing the same thing to you.
	Right.
	Exactly.
	No.
	And they're so bought in.
	They're more propagandized than anyone.
	I mean, wow.
	The medical community was certainly, oh kitty.
	My cat just joined me.
	Is the cat jumping on you?
	Oh yeah, he's jumping on me.
	It's time for us to go.
	An hour and 15 minutes, Slasha.
	I promise, Slasha, I get her out of here in an hour.
	Yeah, famous last words.
	I just really, really appreciate your perspective, and you have so much knowledge, but you know the context of history, and that's really important as well.
	So guys, Sasha Latipova, her substack is Due Diligence and Art.
	She's also an artist.
	Have you been working on anything recently?
	Do you have any good stuff?
	I am working on the new Still Life collection.
	Not very many, but I've been inspired.
	I went to Holland to some great museums.
	Oh, that's amazing.
	No, I want a Sasha Ladapova original.
	Isn't that what happens when everything falls apart?
	people invest in art, they invest in real goods, and it becomes very physical what people, what begins to retain value.
	It's very interesting.
	That painting that's hanging on your wall, to pass it to your children, you just move it from one wall to another wall.
	You don't need to pay the government.
	There we go!
	All right, Sasha Latipova.
	Let's do underscore, no, her handle on Twitter, at Sasha underscore Latipova.
	Due diligence in art is the substack, and yes, you can buy Sasha Latipova artwork, so you can find all about that on the substack as well, to support your efforts.
	And I think that's a brilliant way to support your efforts.
	I love it.
	And so we're really, really thankful that we're able to have you today on the program, Sasha.
	Thank you so much.
	Thank you, Shannon.
	Thank you for inviting me.
	This was a blast.
	And thank you everyone who attended.
	This was amazing.
	Yes, you guys are amazing.
	And I'm just looking at the live chat here.
	Such a lively... We have the best chatters in all of Rumble.
	They are friendly, helpful, and some of the best comments.
	But typically when I get into my interviews, I was hanging on your every word.
	So I wasn't even really looking at the live chat today.
	But you guys are amazing.
	Great show.
	Sasha, yeah, everybody really, really loved it.
	Oh, they're asking what I thought about King Charles's portrait.
	It's a really bad portrait.
	Okay, well, beside all the Satanism, that's quite obvious.
	The artist, the proportions, look at the proportions.
	Yeah.
	He looks like a midget.
	Like, he has very narrow shoulders, very short arms, and, uh, you know, like, he's actually not a short guy, right?
	But, like, who did this?
	Well, maybe the same person who did the Anthony Fauci portrait, because his hands were enormous.
	Did you see the Anthony?
	It's kind of bizarre.
	The Anthony, both of them, I think they need to be titled, like, like, Like, bathed in blood.
	I mean, it's just red.
	And it's just, I don't know, very strange.
	But Anthony Fauci's hands are enormous and it has a very similar feel to the King Charles portrait as well.
	You'll have to look it up.
	They're going after that satanic theme a little.
	Too obviously at this point.
	But yeah, as I said, it's a bad portrait overall for all reasons, including the artist.
	It was probably copied from a photo.
	It's distorted.
	And it's just really bad.
	The imagery, though, is strange.
	And it prompted Naomi Wolf, which I think is hilarious, but necessary.
	To do an entire show on this idea that our elites, or the blob as you call them, Sasha, I mean, what is their obsession with the occult and Satan worshipping and devil worshipping and this mysticism?
	Like, it seems at some point in her intro, she's like, listen, I don't want to talk about these things, right?
	I mean, but at some point you're like, what is going on?
	They are worshipping Satan or whatever the different names for the evil and this is they believe in evil yeah like as opposed to believing in God and in truth and good and light they believe in evil and darkness and that's what they I mean they're just bringing it in and they're just saying now they're being very open about it They are, I think because they have so much power and they think that they've established so much power that they just don't care about it.
	HugeChimp says, Sasha is a brilliant artist.
	Yeah.
	Thank you.
	Oh my gosh, are you with Brownstone Institute now, Sasha?
	No.
	Okay.
	No, I'm not affiliated.
	They published a couple of my articles before, but Jeffrey just said, you know, can I republish your sub stack as an issuer?
	Go ahead.
	Amazing.
	No, that's great.
	I mean, we love Brownstone.
	I have a commercial, but I can't.
	Yeah, I like Jeffrey's articles in particular.
	He writes really, really great stuff.
	Oh, he does.
	Yeah.
	I mean, really brilliant people in this movement.
	And I would run the Brownstone commercial, but I can't because Rumble won't let me run any commercials today.
	But without further ado, I just wanted, before we head out, Sasha, thank you so much.
	You are absolutely amazing.
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	All right, Sasha.
	We'll let you go.
	Thank you so much for everything.
	You're the best.
	And of course, support Sasha over in her substack, Due Diligence and Art.
	All right, guys.
	We'll be back tomorrow to do it all again, right here on The Shannon Joy Show.
	Thank you, Shannon.
	Have a great day.
	Oh, no problem.
	Bye, everyone.

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