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Sept. 9, 2021 - Jim Fetzer
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The Real Deal (9 Sep 2021) with Nicholas Kollerstrom, Ph.D. - Evidence Points to Israel
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This is Jim Fetzer, your host on The Real Deal, where I'm extremely pleased that I have one of my favorite colleagues in the entire world.
He's a brilliant guy, very innovative, an iconoclast.
He's the world's leading expert on the 7-7 London subway attacks, where his book Terror on the Tube is now in its umpteenth edition.
He's done fantastic work on a whole host of issues, including a brilliant book on False flag attacks in Europe, where he inventories 13, some of which will come as a considerable surprise, but where he lays it all out very, very clearly.
Today we're going to discuss The 9-11 attacks and who was responsible, comparing in particular the idea that it was a U.S.-driven inside job versus that it was basically an Israeli op.
Nick Kollerstrom, it's such a pleasure to have you back with me today.
Well, this is quite a heavy number we're going to look at today.
I found a member of the London British 9-11 Truth Group sort of 20 years ago and I've followed it through since then.
It's always been a fascinating topic and I think our perceptions of it have enormously changed and evolved.
All the time we were Our London group was, for about a decade, our London group was just, 9-11 was an inside job, you know, and that was it.
And I think things are moving on greatly from that perspective, and that's what we'll look at today.
Well, even perceiving it was an inside job, of course, was a giant step forward in relation to the official account of 19 Islamic terrorists commandeering four commercial carriers and perpetrating these atrocities under the control of a guy in a cave in Afghanistan.
So, Nick, I think your group was already far ahead of the game fairly early on.
Well we made the categorical negative statement that Muslims didn't do it, and in a sense that has always seemed one of the most important things you can say about the whole operation.
That whatever, you know, whatever so-called hijackers were, they were trained in Florida to fly Simple aeroplanes.
They were not involved in the whole event on that day.
So there's no evidence of Islamic involvement.
That is the simple statement.
And there's so many books on that theme, like the classics by David Roy Griffin.
But I think as people like Ron Unce and Laurence Guiano on the Unce.com are saying, Now, the time has come when the overall important question has to be who did it?
And we have to avoid the temptation of going into all sorts of fascinating details, because the whole event was so complicated and strange and confusing, you can easily get lost in all sorts of details, you know?
Which planes went where and what happened to them?
And it's really much harder to focus on the question of who did it.
Well, I'm very glad we're doing that today, Nick, and I'm happy because of the centrality of the question about who were the bona fide perpetrators.
Of course, it turned out of the 19 alleged terrorists.
Fifteen were from Saudi Arabia.
None were from Iraq.
I don't believe any were from Afghanistan.
Right.
And a half a dozen or more of these guys turned up alive and well the following day, as David Ray Griffin made the very first point in his magisterial book, the 9-11 Commission Report on Missions and Distortions.
Right, right.
Eight of them still alive, yeah.
Well, I mean, I think our perception has moved on.
And in a sense, there were no hijackers.
If any planes were hijacked, it was by some robotic or automatic procedure whereby the ability to fly the plane was taken over from the pilots.
I mean, there's no evidence of any Muslim hijackers on board those planes.
There's no flight manifests that give them as being on the planes.
Yes, yes, yes.
As the founder of Scholars for 9-11 Truth, in 2005, I've done a huge amount of collaborative research, and in fact, none of the official 9-11 aircraft crashed on 9-11.
Not one of them, two.
Flights 11 and 77 turn out not to have even been in the air.
And the other two, flights 93 and 175, were still in the air afterward as pilots for 9-11 Truth established.
Flight 93 was over Champaign-Urbana after purportedly crashing in Shanksville, and 175 over Harrisburg and Pittsburgh, Pennsylvania, after having officially at the South Tower Where I obtained FAA registration records, Nick, and it turns out that those two planes were, of course, the same physical aircraft could be used for multiple flights, one from Tampa to Chicago today, New York to San Francisco tomorrow.
Were not even formally deregistered or taken out of service until 28 September 2005.
Right, they were still registered as airworthy, yeah.
That's right.
So none of those four planes crashed.
None of the four alleged planes.
Two of them weren't even registered to fly that day from the official records, and the other two that did were still registered as airworthy.
This is all very fascinating but we're going to try and put aside all these complicated issues of what went where, and try to focus more on the purpose and the overall Of course.
Blueprint and design obviously, which is difficult because this picture we're looking at now, human race, we've never seen anything like this at all before and we can easily get bogged down in incredibly confusing discussions of what exactly is happening there, is that really jet fuel or what, and This is what happened.
The 9-11 truth group that we ran in London for about 10 years, we'd go into all these kind of details and there'd be books just showing that the official record can't be true.
Well, okay, let's leave that for now.
Let's take it we've established that and move on, okay?
Well, of course, Nick.
I was just working in that.
Like yourself, I've done a huge amount of work on 9-11, especially about the planes and the fact that they did not crash, raising questions such as, How can planes that crashed on 9-11 have still been in the air four years later?
And how can planes that weren't even in the air have crashed on 9-11?
But I agree, of course, our purpose here today is to look at who was responsible.
Yeah, whoever did it was skillful in setting up illusory images whereby what you think you saw isn't what happened.
So it's almost kind of a conjuring trick.
That was perpetrated.
So we've got people from very different points of view and sometimes it's difficult for an ILM group to cope with the difference in points of view that we get.
So I've here put up three people I think have greatly contributed to things.
Krzysztof Boleyn, whose very important works like this War on Terror.
War on Terror here.
We've lost your centering, Nick.
You're off to the side.
Yeah, yeah, yeah.
Right.
Bullying, War on Terror.
Good, straightforward, basic account that every American politician should read.
plot to rule the Middle East?
What is the purpose, in a sense, of the event?
Then Sabrowski in the middle, a totally very, very qualified teacher of the US military, who decided he'd had enough and he came out and he said what's what, who did it, and he's been a bit of a sort of hunted Haunted man or hardly able to, allowed to go anywhere these days.
And then on the right, David Icke, who's written very voluminous stuff.
This 900 page trigraphy, 900 pages, is surprisingly grippingly readable.
And I think it got on the New York Times bestseller list for quite a while.
Excellent.
Excellent.
I love Sobroski's in front of his bar.
All right.
Yeah.
Yeah.
There you go.
Okay.
Now, if we want to start, where is the beginning?
Well, 20 years before the event, we got predictions of it happening from Israeli sources.
This is what I think is pretty fundamental, that none of the first people to sort of anticipate that such an unthinkable thing could happen.
This spy master of Israeli intelligence, Issa Harel, a director of Mossad, He was talking to some born-again Christian author, Mike Evans, a Christian Zionist, who was ardently keen on a connection of a love affair between Israel and America, and he was told
That Arab terrorists would likely strike the tallest building in New York City.
So, that looks as if ruminations are going on, okay?
Did he explain why they would do this, Nick?
What motive they would have, or why to strike the tallest building?
No, no, that was just... He wanted to plant the idea that it would be Arab terrorists.
Yeah, yeah.
Okay, right.
Next.
Right, now this is in his book.
Benjamin Netanyahu very much promoted the idea, the absolutely weird, mad concept of a war on terror.
And he had a big symposia in the last century about the war on terror.
And he wrote a book called Fighting Terrorism.
to promote the idea, which became totally accepted around the world after 9-11, that there could be a war on terror.
This is so important, the point Christopher Bolin makes, that the concept of the war on terror was developed first by Israel, and then the 9-11 event enabled it to happen.
They specifically predicted a terrorist would cause a nuclear bomb in the basement of the World Trade Center.
OK.
Some years after that, in a talk, he was proud of his having made that prediction, as if it did happen.
And as I've explained in several of my most recent reports, overviews about 9-11, it appears that small nuclear bombs were placed in the sub-basements of the North and the South Tower to bring about their demolition.
Remember, this was a tube-within-a-tube design, so you had the inner tube with the massive core columns destroyed from the bottom up, Then what you'd see visually, externally, the support structures were destroyed from the top down, blowing apart in every direction, all floors remaining stationary to be blown to kingdom come in the memorable words of Morgan Reynolds.
And the buildings converted into millions of cubic yards of very fine dust, which is a signature of the use of nuclear devices.
But it's taken so long to sort that out, Nick.
It's fascinating that he was making this observation about a nuclear bomb already in 1996.
Yeah, I think Mossad do like to show off how good they are by having full knowledge of things, but they don't want it to be so good that people suspect they might actually have done it, you know?
Yes.
And you could look at the London bombing of 2005, where Rudy Giuliani was in a hotel right next to where the bomb went off.
Staying next to him was Benjamin Netanyahu, as it so happened.
And Benjamin Netanyahu was rung up and told Not to go out.
Six minutes before the thing happened, first bomb went off at Port 9, People Street, and he was right next to it.
And he was rather vague and evasive about who exactly had given him this warning, but it was obviously Mossad.
So he did have advance foreknowledge of the London bombing, and he was in London at the same time.
Well, have you concluded that Mossad had a role in the 7-7 subway bombing?
Oh absolutely, yeah.
there's a whole lot of Mossad fingerprints all over that operation. And yeah, I mean, as I said
in my book, you mentioned that Chronicles of Fourth Flag Terror.
False Flag Terror without Israeli Mossad involvement would be like Hamlet without the Prince.
I mean, they've got a knack of being involved and It's the one country in the world that has officially promoted the use of terrorism as a tool right from the start.
They advocated it and they have a sort of university department studying how to do it.
And notice how consistent it is attempting to blame Arabs or Palestinians for responsibility for the subway attack just as they sought to do so with regard to 9-11.
Oh yeah, totally, right, right.
That is the game, and that is the very essence of state-fabricated terror, as we've come to understand it in this 21st century.
Whereas it's fairly easy to blow something up, but having the blame fall on the innocent third party, that is the skillful... I mean, it's happening right now, this 20th anniversary, all the media, American sources talking about, did Arab countries do it, you know?
And are there some documents showing they did it?
Well, obviously they didn't.
They wouldn't be clever enough to do it.
The thing is, it's only really the Israelis who are clever enough to do this thing.
It was a very sophisticated, complex operation.
Here you see a diagram of what I was sketching there.
Yeah, exactly what you're saying.
The inner tube from the bottom up, and then we see the blasting part of the outer tube.
Nick, these are terrific photograph and diagram.
Well, it shows the uncanny accuracy of Benjamin Netanyahu's prediction, doesn't it?
Yes, it does.
Of foreknowledge.
And I think that the wider perspective we're getting on the island right now does have very much Israeli foreknowledge and motivation, as well as in some degree.
In some obscure degree, we'll try and look at some possible American motivation as well.
So that, as I'm sure your listeners are familiar with now, picture on the left, is not in any way, whatever, a collapse, is it?
Yes, yes.
That tower is not collapsing, it really isn't.
Right, of course not!
I know, Nick, it's so silly that the American people have bought it!
Yeah, okay.
Now this cartoon is rather priceless, isn't it?
So don't blame me for it.
This is the Israeli daily magazine Haaretz and it shows a plane with Israel and Benjamin Netanyahu is the pilot.
He's piloting this plane, Israel, into the tower, right?
And that did Oddly enough, quite a lot of readers didn't appreciate the humour on this, and they objected to it, but I think that was after some speech by Netanyahu, where he was claiming credit for his prediction.
Now, let's look at what happened on the very day of 9-11.
All the world was shocked and appalled, and there are two, and only two, sources which said they were glad.
The whole of planet Earth, there are two sources which expressed rejoicing, and I think that's very important, okay?
So one of them is Benjamin Netanyahu saying, it's very good, when he was asked.
Well, not very good, but it will generate immense media sympathy to the New York Times.
And the other one we'll come on to is the five dancing Israelis who were caught, who were just on the other side of the river, watching it all happen.
So, two and only two sources which are rejoicing at this cataclysmic event, both Israeli, right?
Then, years later, Netanyahu gave a speech, 2008, and again saying, we are benefiting from one thing, and that is the attack on the Twin Towers and the Pentagon.
So Israel is by its own words, is the one country that benefited
from or claimed to benefit from this event. Okay. Yes, yes, yes, yes. And of course,
having arranged it for precisely that purpose.
Go ahead.
Right, so there's one intelligence analyst, George Freeman, on the dome 9-11, who said He commented, hours after the event, the big winner today, intended or not, is the State of Israel.
There is no question that the Israeli leadership is feeling relief.
Now why would that be?
I think it's because Israel got quite a bad reputation for the way it was treating all the neighbouring nations around it, and wars and so on, and it felt the pressure was off.
When this thing happened to America, they could claim, oh, well, you see what terror is like.
OK, so the relief, or fulfilling relief, was expressed by Israel, in the opinion of George Freeman, and also, let's see, a commentary, a witness to this dancing Israelis, Now, these people set up their cameras on the opposite side of the Hudson River, on top of some truck, and before the towers had been hit.
What's the creepy thing?
They were seen to set up their camera before the towers had been hit, and then this woman who was watching them out the window said, they seem to be taking a movie.
They were like happy, you know, but didn't look shocked to me.
I thought it was strange.
A New Jersey resident.
And she took the number of their van and gave it to the police.
And that's how the police were able to track them down and catch them.
Yes, it turned out to be an Urban Moving Systems van, where Urban Moving Systems is an Israeli asset.
They were filming and celebrating in Liberty State Park in New Jersey across the Hudson from New York City and the Twin Towers filming the destruction.
Yeah, right, right.
And it's just amazing, it's called Chutzpah, you know, they could do a thing like this.
One of them was filming himself, lighting a camera in front of the burning tower.
C. van Kutzberg held a light up in a pose with the towers of flame behind him.
He is clearly visible in photographs which he and other occupants in the van had taken from this rooftop.
Okay.
Now, there's a website, No More News, by Sir Adam Green, and he's looking at the actual pictures that are available from the FBI, released of these, that had been taken, right, the confiscated pictures, and the pictures are so redacted that it's hardly any seen them.
You can't see their faces, you can't see the towers behind them, so The films, what they've left, they can't, we're not allowed to see the actual pictures, which is so important and so incriminating.
And why not?
Why not?
Why is it the American people are not allowed to see these pictures that would clearly incriminate these five Israelis who set up cameras before the thing had happened?
And then they clearly went back to Israel and on Israeli TV declared, quote, we were there to document the event.
I mean, you can't be more straightforward than that.
And so this shows you how America is in some sense an occupied country, that those films taken couldn't be, people caught red handed, could not be released for the people to see.
Yeah, it was astonishing.
You got it exactly right.
Here we have them heading home.
Heading home, yeah.
So they're caught, they're imprisoned, they take lie detector tests and fail them, and then what happens?
Oh, Michael Chertoff sends them all back to Israel.
He was in charge of, was it security?
He was an assistant to then Attorney General John Ashcroft.
That's right, yeah.
How could a guy like this get in such a position?
A dual citizen, and his Israeli mother was one of the first Mossad agents.
Now, surely it's clear where his loyalty lies.
Would you believe this guy was our second Director of Homeland Security after Tom Ridge, Nick?
Well, it's hard to believe, yeah.
I mean, he's so scary and creepy, his face, you know?
Almost makes you believe in the David Ark stuff about the shape-shifting, blood-drinking reptilians.
Anyway, this shows how America isn't really a sovereign nation.
These guys absolutely caught red-handed.
And the whole question, all sorts of vans, different vans with Israeli citizens in them, driving around New York on that day, some packed with explosives, another one with a picture painted on it of a plane flying into the two towers, picture painted on the side of the van.
How is it possible all that could happen?
And I mean, these guys said the classic words when they're intercepted by the police.
I expect all your listeners know it.
They said, oh, We're Israelis.
We're not Palestinians.
We're not your problem.
Palestinians are your problem.
We're Israelis.
And that's obviously some sort of hypnotic mind control mantra they've been taught, whereby the going can be brought into line.
And most Americans don't understand those vans packed with explosives you were alluding to were intended to blow up the Holland Tunnel, the Lincoln Tunnel, and even the cables suspending the Brooklyn Bridge.
This was a much larger operation, but because the NYPD were really competent, they locked most of it down.
So the damage was principally restricted to the World Trade Center per se.
Yeah, I think that is such important ancillary evidence, Jim, and it clearly shows the, you know, nationality and loyalty of the people doing it.
And how shameful it is that someone like Michael Chertoff is able to hush this up.
It's very difficult to find an account of what you just said published anywhere, of what is actually known about the different vans and the intention to cause much further damage in New York City.
Which was kind of incredibly strange, but it was part of that day that was foiled by the police, and they should be proud of it.
They should publicise what they achieved, not just be ashamed of, or hardly... I mean, the official accounts of these guys in the vans, they said, oh, people of Middle Eastern origin.
Well, big deal.
Yeah, Middle Eastern origin.
And then they said, I believe the NYPD at the time was the most professional police force in the world.
And now you've had Democrat mayors who are seeking to disband it, like Bill de Blasio, who's some kind of crypto-communist.
It's bizarre, Nick, what's happening here in America.
Yeah.
Anyway, if America wants to regain its sovereignty, If Americans want to have America a sovereign nation, they need legislation to prevent dual citizens from having any role in government.
OK?
Nick, you're 100% correct.
The very first political speech I ever gave was on 15 April 2008 at a Ron Paul Freedom Rally on the grass outside the Capitol in Washington, D.C.
We gave a talk that would later be published under the title 9-11 and the neocon agenda.
where I made the point that a lot of dual citizens have been allowed into government,
into the Department of Defense, but that they should never be allowed into a policy shaping
or decision making role because you cannot know that their loyalty to the other state
does not outweigh their loyalty to the United States.
So I could not agree more, Nick, 100%.
Yeah, well that is, that needs to be, in a sense, the moral of the 9-11 event.
If you want to draw a moral from it, it's what you just said.
That they shouldn't be allowed in government.
Well, it's pretty obvious to anyone that you don't want dual citizens in government, but Americans need to try and propose that.
And as the advantage, let me say so, that you don't have to use the forbidden J word, you know, which is going to get everyone accused of anti-Semitism.
You can just say you don't want dual citizens.
Yeah.
Right.
OK, let's quote the great, the great American hero, Christopher Bolin.
Ah, solving 9-11.
Do you want to read that out, Jim?
Sure.
At every critical point where the events and circumstances of 9-11 should have been investigated and discussed, there has been a Zionist, a dedicated devotee of the State of Israel, occupying a key position and acting as a controller and censor of evidence, the gatekeeper of information.
Right.
Well, that says it all, really, and that's just elucidating what we saw with Chertoff blocking the inquiry into what the five dancing Israelis were doing and the many white vans driven around by urban systems.
It all just got washed out.
Well, Fox News did do a very good series on the various so-called art students and what were these vans doing, but they got forced to Somehow recant and delete their records of that with pressure, I think, from the IDL.
So yeah, this is, this is...
This is the reason why nobody's been prosecuted for 9-11, what you just read out, okay?
And there's a judge in New York, a Zionist judge, Alvin Hellerstein, who's bottled up all the lawsuits that have been brought.
So he has been the judicial gatekeeper in the Southern District of New York.
Right, right.
Okay, so nobody's been prosecuted, or even lost their job, or even lost their job For the crime of the century, OK?
On the contrary, the key perps get promoted, as we are familiar with this process these days.
But nobody's got prosecuted.
And Christopher Bolton here explains why.
OK, so we saw how We saw how Netanyahu just happened to be in London on the day of 7-7, the London bombing.
Well, guess what?
Ehud Barak was Israel's Prime Minister.
I think he was formerly Israel's Prime Minister, and he's a top military expert in Israel.
And there he is, right in the BBC World Service studio.
Well, fancy that!
This is 11.28.
It's about half an hour after both towers have fallen down.
There he is, right in the BBC World Service studio, and he not only announces The war on terror is going to begin.
This is the Israeli concept that they have developed for years.
The concept of war on terror and now is the time for it to happen.
And he names rogue nations.
We're going to come on to a list of seven nations that are due to get bombed, right?
So he brings this up.
Nations that are going to get bombed by America.
Oh sure, yeah, he would know that, wouldn't he?
He twice eluded Bin Laden.
I mean, why would anyone have information who has done this an hour after it's happened?
And then, last but not least, he knows how many people have actually been killed in the air crashes.
158, just the American Airlines, 156 people have died.
And that's pretty close to our He is my candidate for the co-mastermind in devising the 9-11 attacks with Bibi Netanyahu.
Absolutely, yeah, yeah.
Yeah, I think so, yeah.
Okay, now I said that The perspective has changed.
So, this is a British author, and right away, after it happened, he really quickly, I don't know how he writes his book so quickly, he came out with, that's one of the most recent disaster, and that is basically saying what we were all saying at the time, 9-11 was an inside job, okay?
And then the concluding chapter talks about the nature of evil, the nature of pathology, the reptilian brain, and so on.
And as if it's some failure in human morals that people got so wicked that America somehow did it.
Now, his latest book now has an enormously different perspective, which I recommend as a quite grippingly readable text, as Kevin Barrett said in his review of it.
This is very much about the movement of Jews, Sabbatean Judaism that he sees involved in all this and he sees it as primarily an Israel Mossad event with deep complicity with some elements of the US military and intelligence.
So we've had an enormous shift in perspective that I think is quite interesting, very interesting and important.
And it's really what we're looking at today, that the inside job may be a kind of deliberate intention to deceive us.
That's what some people think.
Like, for example, the brilliant video Loose Change, which I recommend everyone to watch, Composed by three Jewish young men, Dylan Avery and a couple of others.
And that is totally inside job, right?
Renegade elements within the US military.
Did it.
Well, why would they want to do that?
So there's a question of motive we are going to look at.
Who has got a motive?
Okay.
Well, there's no doubt that Dick Cheney and Donald Rumsfeld were complicit in 9-11.
So to that extent, it was an inside job, but it was essentially an Israeli op it was for to benefit Israel by getting U.S.
troops into the Middle East to take out the modern Arab states that served as a counterbalance to Israel's domination of the entire region and eventually to confront the Persian nation of Iran, which Israel fears beyond all others.
Aha, yeah, yeah, yeah, totally right.
Okay, so we'll look at, as you said, Chania Rumsfeld.
First I want to express respect for what Webster Griffin-Tarpley, his book, our group used to regard this as a classic, I think it is a classic of describing what happens, but as you'll see from the front cover, the thesis is very simple.
Made in the USA.
And his argument, again you see it on the front cover, all those drills of 9-11 around the time, on the day or day before, dozens of military Drills, practice runs, and the idea is they somehow morphed into the actual event, right?
Yeah, except Rumsfeld and Cheney seem to have set it up so the American military could not respond.
For example, a lot of fighter aircraft were off in Canada.
They were basically taken out of the loop to set up for the fake crashes of the aircraft so there could be no American military response.
Yeah, yeah, right, right.
OK.
Well, Webster Tarbly, as you may remember from that conference you arranged, Jim, in 2012, was it?
In Toronto?
Vancouver.
Vancouver.
That hearings, 9-11 hearings, he gave his talk there and a lot of us were absolutely shocked by the way he did not allow any Israeli Mossad involvement in the event.
He said no, no, all these fabricated, all these drills are developed within America and therefore it's an American event.
Which, you know, I can see the logic.
And his book, he literally just has Israel on the day, or on the days leading up to the event, it is espionage on America and that's all.
The art students and everything, it was just espionage to check what was going on.
I think we need to conclude at this point, this is a fundamentally wrong judgment.
Nick, you're absolutely right.
We were all dumbfounded when Webster, who was among the final speakers, wouldn't allow any possibility of Israeli involvement, which is incredibly revealing in and of himself.
I don't know if Webster happens to be Jewish, but I certainly respect his motivation that he is here as an Israeli apologist, and it was blatant at the time.
Well, OK, Jim.
Yeah, yeah.
But I'm just trying to describe the evolution of how the 9-11 Truth Group has evolved.
I suggest that throughout the first decade of its existence, this was regarded as a classic work.
And perhaps it still is.
But we've got to move on from this and just say it's an inside job, which is obviously very demoralising for American intelligence.
It's not quite adequate anymore.
No, no, I agree.
One of the best aspects was the emphasis on the amount of energy required to destroy the Twin Towers that could not possibly have been provided by the crash of planes or jet fuel fires, but required massive sources of energy from independent sources.
Right.
So, sorry, what do you infer from that, Jim?
What does that show?
Oh, that the planes weren't responsible for the destruction of the buildings?
Oh, no, no, they weren't.
No, right.
I mean, the Empire State Building had a plane crash into it much earlier in the 20th century, and nothing much happened.
The plane was just stuck there.
And you could see it sticking out of the building, Nick!
Well, it has to be removed, and it's all cleaned up.
And the Empire State Building was perfectly all right afterwards.
So buildings really don't absolutely do not collapse in that way.
Yeah, but that doesn't tell us anything about who...
Doesn't tell us much about who perpetrated the event.
Well, it certainly suggests it couldn't have been these Arabs or Osama, because it required this very sophisticated form of explosive to demolish the buildings, which, as you have repeatedly emphasized, did not collapse.
No, no.
It might be some exotic Exotic technology, and there are a lot of people surmised that Israel and American military may have access to exotic technology, but basically we just don't know.
We just don't know.
Maybe, as you said, nukes can behave in this manner.
I beg to differ that we do know, for a whole host of reasons that I've explained in multiple places, but I agree with your focus today on who is responsible.
Right, right, right.
Okay, so you're totally confident that the next generation of nukes can do this kind of thing?
Yes, yes, yes.
Right, okay, fair enough.
Now, I want to pursue Webster Tarpley's view.
It was made in America, and what is his argument?
Well, partly that the most visible perpetrators are not Jewish or Israeli, okay?
And what motive would they have had?
Dick Cheney, Donald Rumsfeld, Richard Myers, I think he was a Chief Air Marshal, Rudy Giuliani, Jeb Bush.
Myers was the chairman of the Joint Chiefs of Staff.
Yeah.
OK.
So these all look very much like perpetrators, don't they?
I think we'll be confident that they were complicit in some degree.
And the simple logic which we used to accept was therefore 9-11 was an inside job.
And these were the guilty men.
So this has been doubted, recently asked by Ron Unce on his Unce Review.
He dismisses this.
Cheney and Rumsfeld basically would not have a motive for doing something massively destructive like that.
The way we might express it, I'm just suggesting this, you know the argument of lie hop on my hop, let it happen on purpose versus make it happen on purpose?
Well, possibly these people were given to understand that something was going to happen, and they collaborated and let it happen.
It may have been something like that, if that makes sense.
I think they were beholden to Israel and they were promoting Israel's interests.
I have no doubt whatsoever that Dick Cheney and Donald Rumsfeld were the key inside players within the United States to control the U.S.
military, its response, and to fake The idea that a plane had hit the Pentagon, which is incredibly revealing.
It was the fact that the Pentagon was hit that was supposed to make this a military strike as U.S.
command and control.
And yet, once you understand that actually a plane did not hit the Pentagon, you realize the whole thing was a scam.
Because if even the Pentagon is in on it, then, you know, obviously we have been deceived.
Yeah, okay.
For 20 years, Cheney and Rumsfeld had practiced and rehearsed what's called CLG, Continuity of Government, and they had a massive amount of funding for this.
And they and some people would go down into these chambers and caverns, which were military, it was the idea of a military takeover After a nuclear war, if that happened, the government got decapitated, then you'd have the control of America would pass over into various military bunkers and stuff, okay?
And that's what's called continuity of government.
And those two especially spent many years rehearsing it.
And what happened on 9 November at around 10 o'clock in the morning, or half past 10, was that CLG was activated.
Cheney did that.
He definitely did that.
And that changed the question of who was in control of America.
So I'm not quite sure what relevance that has, but that is That is one thing they definitely did.
Well, there's no doubt that W was a dim bulb and had virtually nothing to do with any of this.
It was left largely out of the loop while Dick Cheney was running the government.
Yeah, totally.
And no vice president ever had so much power as Dick Cheney.
With the possible exception of George H.W., after the attempted assassination of Ronald Reagan, he got the message, let George do it, so that G.H.W.
actually was running the government at that point in time, after the message had been conveyed to Ronald Reagan.
Right.
So, as mentioned, Jeb Bush here, President's brother, He was very much in charge of security at the Twin Towers, or managing the company, so he would have been very much involved in wiring up the towers prior to their destruction.
The towers were closed down for a week or so before the event, and most people with long wires were seen wandering around.
I think Jeb Bush would have been essentially placed there for Whatever preparations were made to blow up the towers.
So, perhaps the whole Bush family was involved, right?
Right, okay.
Now, this is the Constitutional Government, and here is Mike Ruppert, who wrote the classic book, Crossing the Rubicon.
The late, late great Mike Ruppert, and very insightful about line-level events, and this is what he said.
Well, we'll just read it out, Jim.
I have absolutely no doubt that on the day of September the 11th, Richard Cheney was in full and complete control of a properly functioning and parallel commanded communication system.
In other words, that he was actually the executive director of events within the United States on the day of 9-11.
Yeah.
Now, if you want to believe that America did it, or that it was done within America, then I think this would have been very much where it happens.
Continuity of Government would have been later on, about half ten, after the Pentagon crash.
He could have then would have decided, about ten o'clock, he then would have decided to implement Continuity of Government, right?
Which basically means he's in charge, him and Rumsfeld.
Okay, but there was a big thing about that he actually rushed down to the bunker between 9 and 9.15am And then kind of pretended that he hadn't, didn't he?
In the whole official account, it was only after 10 o'clock that they got taken down into the bunker.
Well, part of this had to do with Norman Mineta, who was with him, reporting about an aide coming up to Cheney and telling him, sir, it's 50 miles out, sir, it's 40 miles out, sir, it's 30 miles out, do the orders still stand?
Where Cheney whips around and says, of course, have you heard anything to the contrary?
Where the order was to not shoot down a plane that was approaching the Pentagon, where the obvious thing to do would have been to shoot it down, because then you lose a plane and the passengers, which allegedly are being used as instruments of destruction, but not the personnel and the property at the target.
In fact, what happened is the plane was allowed to proceed toward the Pentagon, fly toward it, and then swerve over as an explosion occurred.
To create an impression of a plane having hit the Pentagon when none actually had.
So they changed the timeline so Cheney could not have heard that command at the time it was being issued and so forth.
In other words, really to nullify Norman Mineta's testimony, which itself is rather stunning.
Thanks for explaining that, Jim.
I'd never quite understood that, but it is rather crucial.
He wanted to claim that he went down much, much later on.
That was to circumvent, to make it impossible that he'd been involved in this plane.
And you know that it was, you know, treated abnormally because the Pentagon is perhaps the most heavily defended building in the world, and it could have used Anti-aircraft missiles that shoot it down, but Cheney directed that it be allowed to proceed, which is why the aid was alarmed, not understanding this was part of an elaborate false flag.
Yeah, so Cheney was totally involved.
I mean, one possible reason, what he was doing there at 9 o'clock in the morning, there were a lot of these drills going on, and he'd heard reports of impacts into towers, so he would have wanted to look at What is really happening and what is a drill?
What drills are going on?
And so on.
So that's one way you might want to And you have this additional observation that Cheney sat on the board of the Jewish Institute for National Security, probably the most important organization in terms of its influence on Bush administration policy formation.
He would take leave from the Institute while serving as vice president, where his office was run by aides known to be very pro-Israeli.
Yeah, yeah.
Got a picture of him as Darth Vader now.
I love that.
He said we've got to go over to the dark side as it were, or work on the dark side as it were.
That's what he said.
Yeah, well, he was very good at that, Nick.
He was indeed working on the dark side.
Here you go.
Yeah, it's incredibly secretive as well.
Okay, well, that is the main argument.
We're looking at the main argument in favour of Webster Topler's thesis that there's an independence Okay.
Now, if you look at the documents that neocon documents, a project for the new American century, and so on.
And this amazing plan to full spectrum dominance, that's land, sea, air and space.
I feel this is very much, from the point of view of someone like Rumsfeld, very much the purpose of the 9-11 events.
It's a vast thing.
Here you have a picture, an image, of the largest empire that's ever existed, spread over the whole of planet Earth, and it's American dominance.
So this is PNSA project for the new American century, and what is the reason for nearly a thousand different American military bases all around the world?
OK.
Now, in the last century, the reason had been that they were fighting communism.
But what was the military base doing down the road?
Oh, fighting communism.
And America can't say the real reason its bases are there, which is to compel use of the dollar, basically, and make sure the trade is what America wants it to be.
And so America can just print as much money as it wants, and countries have to use the dollar.
That's what keeps America afloat.
And you can't say that.
So in this 21st century, so for a whole decade, there was no reason or explanation for why the American bases were all around planet Earth.
OK, well, except for Russia and China.
And so this gave a new explanation.
They were fighting terror.
Which is about the maddest, craziest reason you can possibly add for having a military base in your country.
Oh yeah, war and terror.
We're going to fight terror.
I completely agree, Nick.
Completely agree.
So that is a rationale for why they would, you could imagine American military seeing this as necessary to maintain American dominance and force projection throughout planet Earth.
And the idea of America being wounded by this attack on the Pentagon and so on, that would somehow be a rationale in a very deranged kind of manner.
I mean, both Afghanistan and Iraq were invaded on the grounds that they couldn't prove that they hadn't done 9-11.
And so it's it's a kind of justification for what American bases are doing.
And of course, the key to this new American century was supposed to be Moving U.S.
militarily into the geopolitically sensitive region of the Middle East and then exerting military and diplomatic power outward, which would not have brought about a new American empire.
The whole idea was merely a fig leaf, a camouflage, to make it look as though there were a motive for the United States to become involved in taking out these modern Arab states on behalf of Israel and eventually confronting Iran.
Yeah, yeah, that's really what it's about.
Okay, so let's now look at the other side of the picture, and I think Laurence Guglielmo, the French writer, is very good.
His book is unfortunately out of print, 50 Years of Deep State, JFK 9-11, and Progressive Press hopefully will reprint this.
I think it's a classic, and Yeah, would you like to just read out what he says?
A passionate attachment between Israel and the U.S.
has been going on for decades, and 9-11 is one of its monstrous offspring.
9-11 was made possible by an alliance between secret worshipers of Israel and corrupted American elements.
Well said.
Yeah, so there's advantages on both sides.
Both sides can see strategic advantage to this To this ultimate act of state-fabricated terror, and we've looked at the rationale it gives for American military bases, and what it is that places America on a war economy, it has to be on a war economy, and the idea of having an enemy that you can't really fight, but you can say you're having a war, war on terror.
So that's the American reason for doing this.
Now let's move on to how Israel could see it as profitable.
Again, quoting Lawrence Guglielmo, he makes what I suggest is a really important link between whoever did JFK and whoever did 9-11.
Yeah.
Well, this is James Hepburn's book, Farewell America, 1968, who observed, President Kennedy's assassination was a work of magicians.
It was a stage trick complete with accessories and fake mirrors.
And when the curtain fells, the actors and even the scenery disappeared.
9-11 was also a stage trick by musicians, writes Gugnier, by the same company, I believe, implying thereby the CIA, but also other elements, since he believes Mossad was deeply involved.
Not only did they make New York's tallest skyscrapers vanish into a cloud of smoke with the magic words, Osama Bin Laden, They also made planes appear and then disappear.
Not just United Airlines 93, swallowed up by the Earth, or American 77, vaporized into the Pentagon.
I mean also UA-175, which supposedly crashed into the South Tower, leaving aside American 11, whose single ghostly image was supernaturally captured by the twice Emmy-awarded Nadeem Brothers.
Right, okay, thanks Jim.
Yeah, well that very much brings out first of all the extreme difficulty which truthers have had in figuring out what happened.
It all seems so kind of illusory and impossible, but also what he's saying is more important that it might have been a similar powers, groups of people, and motives that did both of these events.
Both these events deprive America of sovereignty, proper sovereignty.
And in both these events, what he's arguing, an attempt was made to place all the blame on American intelligence and the CIA, but he's saying no, we should look more, in both cases, to Israeli Mossad elements.
I think he's arguing with Kennedy that that was very much Kennedy's opposition to the Well, that was most certainly one of the motives, but Lyndon Johnson was a key player who wanted to become president of all the people.
Right.
Right.
OK.
Right.
I feel we ought to listen carefully to whatever Mike Ruppert has got to tell us.
He's well known as really discovering how the CIA was involved in drug smuggling in America.
And he was a very widely respected speaker.
Unfortunately, he's not around anymore.
He predicted this peak oil, which didn't happen, really.
But anyway, a compelling case that Israel acted as a partner with US intelligence and financial interests in seeing to it that the attacks on 9-11 were carried out.
So that, I think, is a general statement that is the very least that can be said.
And PNAC was a load of dual citizen characters who described as Israel connected experts that formed the core group, Project for an American Century.
And these were called the neocons.
And I think they had a very central role in a sort of political background.
Yeah, they were war hawks.
They thought the United States should dominate the world and, you know, they were very staunch allies of Israel, all that fit together very tightly.
Yeah, yeah.
And as the famous phrase, absent a new Pearl Harbor, they wanted a transformation to take place with new wars.
They were keen to start new wars, but without a new Pearl Harbor, they feared that the American people would not be Not be ready for it.
And there's the dual citizen Zelikow, the official mythmaker, who got his doctorate studying official myths with the Straussian idea.
Strauss was their favorite philosopher.
A country needs an official myth, but the myth didn't have to be true.
Who also believed that the elite are entitled to lie to the people if it serves what the elite consider to be their best interests.
Right.
Right.
And then afterwards, having first of all called for the transforming event, like a new Pearl Harbour, that's what the Neocons called for.
After the events, Zelikow then drew up the official Keen Report, and he was put in charge of a commission, and he then wrote most of the text himself.
It was later discovered he'd actually blueprinted most of it.
Nick, he's my candidate for having scripted.
He wrote the script for 9-11, in my opinion.
Who better than to be put in charge as executive director than the guy who wrote the script?
Absolutely. He completed an outline of the 9-11 report a year before he shared it with any member
of the staff. Right, yeah, okay, well said that Jim, yes, okay, right, now let's hear what
Christopher Bonin's got to tell us.
He has paid a heavy price for his researches.
He got beaten up by the FBI.
I think he had to leave America, didn't he, at some point?
Go and live in Sweden for a bit.
Is he back in America now?
I believe he is.
Yeah, yeah, okay.
Right.
Would you like to read that journal?
Sure.
It becomes quite obvious at 9-11 and the War on Terror, both products of Israeli military intelligence, and that the terror atrocity was carried out to kickstart the Zionist war agenda.
The War on Terror is basically an Israeli stratagem developed in the 1970s to deceive the American public into thinking that Israel's enemies are America's enemies.
The terror attacks of 9-11 did not bring us a war.
Rather, it was the Israeli war on terror project that brought us 9-11.
Very nice.
Yeah, it is, isn't it?
That's a very eloquent expression of what it's all about and of the illusion that has been given to Americans.
So I hope that Americans will listen to it.
I like that.
Very, very good.
Yeah.
Okay.
Now, if you're asking who did it, then a pretty central question is who knew when it was going to happen, right?
That really tells you a lot.
Now, as far as I can find out, the CIA warned US senators to avoid air travel some weeks before the event.
Can you confirm that at all, Jim?
They were generally told to avoid air flights.
Was it across America or something?
Oh, yes, yes, yes, yeah.
Willie Brown, for example, who is Speaker of the California Assembly, the most powerful, who promoted Kamala Harris, after they had an affair, or while they were doing that, when he was 60 and she was 20, explained that he'd been warned not to fly that day.
Turns out to have been by Condoleezza Rice.
He was warned.
All right, so.
Her indication of inside knowledge within the Bush administration, where Condoleezza was W's national security advisor.
So, yes, a lot of this happened.
In fact, it was happening locally.
Odega was warning Jewish workers in the World Trade Center not to come in that day.
I had a little old lady in Brooklyn call me, Nick, and tell me how the rabbi had told the members of her synagogue not to go into Lower Manhattan that day.
She was very upset about it.
Right, yeah.
OK, let's just go back to what you said a minute ago, that somebody was warned by Condoleezza Rice not to travel on that day.
Was it a specific warning of that day?
9-11.
It was, all right.
Oh, OK.
So, right.
OK, well, what I thought, what I was trying to say here was that it was only the Israeli Mossad that actually knew when it was going to happen.
And Adigo, the text messaging firm, warned all Israeli nationals.
It isn't the same as Jews, right?
All Israeli nationals, they avoided going into the towers or into the World Trade Center on that morning, and it more or less gave it within minutes, around two hours in advance, and no Israeli nationals died on that day.
Now, how many Jews died is My understanding is one Jewish person died on 9-11.
Well, we were told off by giving many stories like that, that you don't know how many Jews died, or the Jewish Chronicle did not publish any list of Jews that died, which they would have done.
And we got strongly told off for saying no Jews had died.
But anyway, you said it, Jim, only one had died.
To the best of my knowledge, yes.
Right.
Okay.
Now, Ardigo has a main center in Israel, Herzliya, which is right next to where the Mossad is headquartered.
So that would have been how they knew.
So that is a precise indication.
And in general, would you say that American intelligence also had that knowledge or not, Jim?
I believe so, yes, yes, yes.
I believe George Tenet would be given the Medal of Freedom in this aftermath, and I believe it was for CIA complicity with Mossad in bringing us 9-11.
All right, okay.
Okay, so this page, what I put up here, may not be quite accurate.
I'll try to make a contrast.
I thought that The CIA advice was only within a week or so, or as Mossad knew exactly.
So I think you've corrected me here.
I also noticed that the huge company within the towers, Zim Israel Navigation, moved out just a week before.
And paid a huge fine for breaking the rent contract.
Yeah, that is extraordinary and required extraordinary circumstances, which, of course, was their knowledge that 9-11 was forthcoming.
Yeah, yeah.
So I think this is very strong evidence.
I think that intelligence agencies all around the world, lots of them had warned that something was going to happen around about that time.
There was a general sense in intelligence agencies that something was going to go down, but my impression is, rightly or wrongly, that it was only Mossad that knew the actual incident.
OK.
Now, let's look at Israel's motive for doing this.
General, Wesley Clark reported soon after the 9-11 attacks he was informed that a secret military plan had come into being under which America would attack and destroy seven major Muslim countries over the next few years, including Iraq, Iran, Syria, and Libya, which coincidentally were all of Israel's strongest regional adversaries and the leading supporters of the Palestinians.
And it's fascinating, this quote from Deuteronomy 7, 1 through 2, seven nations greater and mightier than yourselves, you must utterly destroy them, you shall make no covenant with them.
Yeah, right, right.
Well, apparently Jews are taught that, there's seven bad nations, and this goes back to the ancient history of Judea and Israel, that's a fantasy, a fantasy, it never happened, that they somehow Conker will take out these other little states around them.
I don't think it ever happened.
So that is what is working here.
The list... Now, I heard two lists read out.
One was read out by the President, George Bush.
Another came out of Rumsfeld's office.
And they were slightly different, whether or not they included North Korea.
So there were slightly different lists of seven nations.
Well, it did not include North Korea.
No, no, no.
These are all Middle Eastern countries.
Iraq, Libya, Syria, Iran, it was all really to promote the Israeli agenda by taking out the Arab nations that had served as a counterbalance to Israel's domination of the entire region.
And it might have succeeded, But for the intervention of Iran and Russia on behalf of the Syrian government at the invitation of Bashar al-Assad, the democratically elected president of Syria, who stopped the attack in its track.
Right.
Okay.
So America is clearly fighting wars for Israel.
I mean, I guess they stole a lot of oil from Iraq.
Cheney got a lot of free oil, I guess.
But there's a general feeling that these are wars for Israel and there's not a lot of benefit of America.
America gets hasted around the world for this senseless violence.
I can't see any benefit to America at all except expending vast amounts of treasury and our troops.
Right, right.
Okay, I just want to notice that Ron Unce, I think he's a top... Can you just go back a second?
I think Ron Unce is a top American intellectual.
It's at unce.com.
He's very, very good.
I agree.
He's very, very good.
And he's Jewish, right?
And I think it's very important now that this absolute top American website is putting this stuff on and is absolutely candid about the most important facts about, or theory about 9-11, namely who did it.
And this is coming out on his website, which has a very wide readership.
Yes, it does.
I suggest this is a huge sea change in America now, that we're not just getting the old loose change stuff about, oh, 9-11 is an inside job, a kind of moronic mantra which used to just go on and on.
We're now moving over to something very, very different.
I think it's terribly important and interesting that a sensible chap like Ron Hunt supports that thesis.
I agree.
Okay, right.
Now, again, this is an immensely inspiring intervention around 2010, Alan Sabrosky.
Do you want to comment on this at all, Jim?
Sure, sure, sure.
I have had long conversations over the last two weeks with contacts at the Army War College and the headquarters Marine Corps, and I made it absolutely clear in both cases it's 100% certain that 9-11 was a Mossad operation, period.
The Zionists are playing this as an all-or-nothing exercise.
If they lose this one, they're done.
Alan Sebrosky.
Meanwhile, interviewed in 2011 on Press TV, it was banned under ADL pressure.
The video archive was also deleted to include the Sebrosky interview.
Kevin Barrett has observed that Sebrosky is so hated by Zionists That mere mention of his name can get you arrested.
Yeah, well, this sounds, um, yeah, so this is quite a lively development.
And the point is, this fellow's absolute top tops for American military.
You know, he taught American soldiers for years.
And he just, he's just a loyal American.
He loves his country and is annoyed at this What has happened to it?
Do you think people in America are listening to him, Jim?
Is he having an influence?
Well, those who are aware of Alan Sebroski are tremendously impressed by him.
I interviewed him.
The guy's completely brilliant, outspoken, highly articulate.
He's a wonderful resource, Nick.
But I'd say it's only those who really are willing to dig a little deeper who have encountered Alan Sebroski.
Right, right.
OK.
I mean, I would say that it was an integrative work between Israeli intelligence and American neocons.
Somehow, this love affair, this very close integration, very, very strange, almost unprecedented integration between two nations that resulted in this event.
I'm not sure I would quite say it was a Mossad operation, period.
That's what I'm trying to put forward, that somehow there had to be elements within America that, for whatever reason, had an agenda for wanting this to happen.
Yes, there's no doubt about that.
I like this, the choice of Rossi's message.
Right, let's read that out, yeah.
Where we go depends on what kind of a legacy we wish to leave to our grandchildren and to posterity.
The U.S.
can be a protector, enabler, and ally, a first and last resort to an Israel few would support if they truly knew what it was and did, spending our lives and treasure in support of its ambitions, or the American people can realize that they have been misled and betrayed from within and without, take back their government, and treat Israel as the rogue it is, a criminal state we have fostered.
Yeah, well in a way he's lucky to be still alive after coming out with that.
A lot of people get bumped off for less.
But...
I think you're right, Nick. A lot of people get bumped off for less.
Sabrowski's been so outspoken and so clear and so persuasive in argument that I think they do fear him, even as Kevin Barrett is suggesting, the very sound of his name is upsetting, unsettling to Zionists around the world.
Yeah.
I mean, in a sense, they can get away with anything these days.
Most people are just pessimistic that somehow they can get away with anything.
And apparently in this government, Biden is almost sort of full of these dual citizen characters.
But I think Americans need to demand and affirm, patriots, that they want a nation which has got sovereignty.
And one thing we've seen clearly in this discussion is America did not have sovereignty.
It's that the wrong people get in charge, And the terrible thing happened and they were deluded into fighting wrong and destructive criminal wars.
It may have been Cynthia McKinney on press TV, interestingly, perhaps as recently as 2011, who revealed the pledge, namely that new members of Congress are asked to sign a pledge to put the interests of Israel ahead of even the interests of the United States.
And those who sign the pledge farewell and those who decline, who are very few in number, find themselves without financial resources next time they're confronted with a well-financed alternative candidate or even that their district has been redrawn should a census have intervened and they no longer have a seat.
Now, Cynthia was able to transcend those obstacles and serve six or eight terms in the House.
But even as astute a member as Dennis Kucinich, whom I regarded as the smartest member
of Congress at the time.
So his district had been redone.
Dennis Kucinich, his district had been redone and he no longer had a seat.
Now, a colleague of mine asked me a couple of years ago, how many members of the then-president Congress
had refused to sign the pledge?
And I acknowledge I did not know.
He replied by holding up one finger of one hand, Nick.
Only one member of the present Congress at the time had refused to sign the pledge.
So you're 100% correct, AIPAC.
The American-Israeli Political Action Committee, they call themselves Public Affairs, are really the most powerful lobby in Washington, D.C., where I think it's correct to say that the District of Columbia is Israeli-occupied territory.
OK, well, I think we have covered what I think is a very, very central issue for Americans today.
Twenty years on, who did it?
And what's important, I suggest, is that various different sources are coming to this conclusion.
We've discussed both British and American experts who are refocusing that whole discussion in this manner.
And obviously, it's ridiculed by the media.
And there's this knee jerk reaction of anti-Semitism.
But let's hope that 9-11 Truth does develop.
I think it's, as Christopher Bolton said, it's the most important intellectual and cultural adventure for us today.
It concerns all of us.
And bear in mind that the American media is also under the control of the Zionists.
I have a panel of a hundred executives from CNN, a hundred executives next.
Every one is a dual U.S.-Israeli citizen.
I have a panel of a hundred executives from NBC, a hundred executives, every one of whom is a dual U.S.-Israeli citizen.
I have a third panel from the New York Times, a hundred executives.
Everyone is a dual US-Israeli citizen.
Well, it's unique in America that you've got this Christian Zionism concept, which somehow people who are religious think they've got to support Israel, which doesn't happen in any other country.
That's some sort of special American thing, which I suppose makes them feel virtuous by doing this, doesn't it?
Well, Nick, you've made a wonderful contribution here today because Americans need to understand that Israel is not our ally.
Israel, in fact, is bringing about and contributing to the destruction of America.
They have only valued us for what we could do for them.
Bibi Netanyahu was quoted as having observed that America is a golden calf.
We are going to suck it dry and leave it as the world's largest welfare state to shrivel up and die because that's what we do with nations we hate.
And you can find similar remarks from other PMs of Israel.
It's outrageous, and the American people, indeed the whole world, need to know.
Yeah, I mean, Israel's really the only enemy that America's got.
It attacked USS Liberty, it's outrageous, and that is a kind of earlier study of the way it can get away with it.
LBJ just had this loyalty to Israel, And therefore, they were able to just cover it all up.
My suspicion is LBJ wanted the liberty to sink to use as justification for the U.S.
to enter on the side of Israel in what turned out to be the Six-Day War by bombing Egypt.
I've even heard he planned to use a nuke on Cairo.
But Moshe Dayan was such a brilliant general that he didn't need American help.
And handily wrap things up in a remarkable military feat of astonishing proportions.
All right.
OK.
Right.
So.
Well, I think that's about all we can say today, Jim.
Well, Nick, it's been wonderful featuring you again.
It's always my great privilege.
Let me then say to all of you here.
Oh, yeah.
Just don't forget my book.
Yeah.
Right.
Who did 9-11?
Say a couple of words before we part.
Well, I sort of put together essays I've done over the years, but it is recast and rewritten now.
Hopefully up to date.
It looks at some of the arguments we've tried to pull together today.
Yeah, I hope it's in a sort of calm, factual manner.
It's banned by Amazon, which I'm quite annoyed at because they didn't ban David Icke's book.
Or Christopher Bolingbroke.
I don't know why they banned mine.
So just look about and see where to order it.
Sensational, Nick.
This is Jim Fetzer, your host on The Real Deal, thanking Nicholas Kohlerstrom for being such a sensational guest on such an important topic today.
Thank you for joining us.
We'll see you next time on The Real Deal.
Real Deal, right.
OK, Jim.
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