Trump's EPIC REVERSAL On Pfizer & His Own COVID Vaccine! w/ Mary Holland
Jimmy and Children’s Health Defense’s Mary Holland discuss Donald Trump’s recent shift in tone on Operation Warp Speed, highlighting his ultimatum to Pfizer to release full data on COVID-19 vaccines. They frame this as Trump aligning more closely with RFK Jr., who has long criticized vaccine safety and pandemic policies. The two accuse Pfizer of fraud, cover-ups, and knowingly downplaying vaccine injuries, while suggesting legal consequences under the PREP Act for willful misconduct. They argue that Trump was misled by Anthony Fauci, Francis Collins, and Big Pharma interests, and that a broader “COVID reckoning” is coming as lies and conflicts of interest are exposed. Plus segments on the pushback RFK received after rooting out Big Pharma shills from the CDC and Trump’s boasting about killing 11 suspected “drug runners” from Venezuela in the Caribbean Sea. Also featuring Stef Zamorano!
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Ladies and gentlemen, fan favorite here at the show, Mary Holland is back.
She's an author, speaker, and CEO of Children's Health Defense, an organization focused on legal strategies to defend children's health and obtain justice for those injured.
Before joining Children's Health Defense in 2019, she taught at NYU School of Law for 17 years and lectured at Columbia Law School on international human rights advocacy.
Please welcome back to the show Mary Holland.
Hey, Mary.
Great to be here.
Thank you.
Great to be here.
I mean, great to see you.
What did I say?
You said great to be here.
It was funny.
You know what?
I got dazzled by her jacket.
It's very nice.
Her jacket looks very nice.
It's got that, I don't know, what color would you call that?
It's a plum?
Yeah.
I'll call it plum.
Nice.
Mary, there's plenty of things to talk about today.
The first thing I want to talk to you about is this.
Donald Trump tweeted out, it is very important that the drug companies justify the success of their various COVID drugs.
Many people think they are a miracle that saved millions of lives.
Others disagree with the CDC being ripped apart over this question.
I want the answer, and I want it now.
I have been shown information from Pfizer and others that is extraordinary, but they never seem to show those results to the public.
Why not?
They go off on the next hunt and let everyone rip themselves apart, including Bobby Kennedy Jr. and CDC trying to figure out the success or failure of the drug company's COVID work.
They show me great numbers and results, but they don't seem to be showing them to many others.
I want them to show them now to the CDC and the public and clear up the mess one way or another.
I hope Operation Warp Speed was as brilliant as many say it was.
If not, we all want to know about it and why.
So that is kind of, I mean, Operation Warp Speed, anything that goes faster than the speed of science has to be brilliant.
But here we are.
So let me just show you what RFK has said about the COVID vaccine before.
Here's what he has said.
And Pfizer specifically.
We've never seen these kind of adverse reactions.
They were predictable because if you look at the clinical trial data, even though they lied on the clinical trial data, Pfizer lied.
We know that.
There's no doubt about it.
You know, Maddie DeGarry is a good example.
She was one of 1,100 children in the 11 to 15-year-old trial.
So they're going to give this to 76 million children based on these tiny trials.
And so any signal that you see in those trials, you have to assume is going to reverberate.
You can extrapolate to the much larger group.
Maddie DeGari got a fever immediately after her vaccine, and she later gets seizures.
And now she's in a wheelchair, apparently for life, and she's on a feeding tube.
And that's a fate worse than death.
And it's to a cohort that has zero risk from dying of COVID.
And if they give this to 76 million kids, they can expect that an injury like that will occur on every 1,100 kids.
It's not guaranteed, but that's what Pfizer, when you do the clinical trial, that is how it works.
You extrapolate any injury to the population as old.
So that's 70,000 kids or something like that who could be injured in that terrible way.
Kids who are at zero risk from COVID.
Plus, the heart attacks we're seeing, the strokes we're seeing.
The death rates from this vaccine are, there's been more deaths in eight months than in all the billions of vaccines combined over the last 30 years from this one vaccine, 17,000 recorded deaths in the United States.
And we know the death rate is much, much higher than that.
Probably 40 times the best math, the best studies are showing that it's 40 times that.
So, the risks from the vaccine are completely untenable.
If people knew the truth, they would not be taking this vaccine.
And then the benefits of the vaccine are apparently zero or even sub-zero after six months.
The British data is showing that the people who are vaccinated are actually more likely in many age categories to get COVID than people who are unvaccinated, which by the way was predicted.
Now, we know that Pfizer knew this was going to happen because in their clinical trial, there were among a six-month clinical trial, it was only six months.
At the end of that period, 20 people died in the vaccine group and only 14 in the placebo group of all-cause mortality.
There were five heart attacks in the vaccine group and only one in the placebo group.
So your chance of dying of a heart attack, that vaccine, according to their own studies, is 500% greater than if you're unvaccinated.
So they knew we were going to kill a lot of people.
And they did it anyway.
And people need to be able to see those studies and understand the deception, criminal deception that has been imposed upon them.
So, Mary, what do you make of Donald Trump's about face and seeming unease about his biggest accomplishment that he's been touting up until five minutes ago, Operation Warp Speed and the COVID vaccs?
Well, I'll be honest with you, Jimmy, it's something that I worried about a lot when Bobby Kennedy was coming into this office because Bobby has written several books about how devastating the whole, all the COVID measures were.
And we knew that up until that tweet that you just showed us, President Trump has stood behind Operation Warp Speed without question.
So this is a huge change that he's saying, Pfizer, this is an ultimatum.
You better show me that you are true to your word.
What Bobby Kennedy didn't say in that clip you just showed, Jimmy, is that not only did Maddie DeGary get horrifically injured, but Pfizer said she got a stomachache.
Pfizer didn't put in the clinical trials that she was devastated.
They put in that, you know, there was this little minor thing that happened, and they've stood by that lie.
So, you know, there has been a gap between Secretary Kennedy and the president, and that gap would appear to be closing.
You probably have seen that Pfizer sort of responded on social media to the Trump tweet saying, oh, yeah, we pulled all these studies together and they're there for you to see.
Well, that's not going to be sufficient.
And, you know, Naomi Wolf at Daily Clout with the war room put together the Pfizer papers where they had doctors and scientists look at all of the clinical trial data.
As Bobby says, even the initial clinical trials were devastating.
Then in the first three months, they had over a thousand reported deaths to Pfizer.
So this is not over.
And I think that there's tremendous pushback against Bobby Kennedy right now.
But there has to be a COVID reckoning before we will be in the clear.
And that has not happened at all yet.
You probably know also Bobby Kennedy just published an editorial in the Wall Street Journal, and he talks about some of the irrational COVID policies, including masks on toddlers and six-feet distancing and boosters for healthy kids and school closing and lockdowns and suppression of effective therapeutics.
COVID was a devastation in public health.
And yet the CDC and the mainstream media and probably some of the people in the Senate at the hearing tomorrow are going to be trying to tell people that it was a great success.
But I don't think the American people are going to buy that any longer, Jimmy.
I think that day's over.
Well, you mentioned Naomi Wolf.
Here she is with Del Bigtri, and here's what she has to say.
Pfizer knew within three months that 1,225 people died.
That's how many deaths there are in just three months of rollout.
1,225 within three months.
Correct.
Pfizer knew by April of 2021 that minors' hearts were being damaged by the injection.
They had warnings from the Israeli health ministry and also from a pediatric group.
And rather than coming forward and telling all of us this is going to damage the hearts of minors, our lawyers FOIA email chains that go up to Dr. Fauci, Dr. Walensky, POTUS, and 15 White House.
In the email, you see it going all the way.
So the president's template goes to POTUS.
Right.
A little deniability there, but the template goes to POTUS.
But certainly there are 15 White House staffers on the email chain, right?
Being told, hello, we have a problem here.
Worse, they were told that, but then there was this freak out, and I recognize it from having been an advisor to a presidential campaign, a freak out conference where they're planning how to lie to the American people.
And they're creating a script.
The script is 17 pages completely redacted.
But you remember what happened in April and May of 2021.
They came forward and said, oh, you know, pericarditis, myocarditis in young men and teenagers, it's transient, it's mild, it's rare.
That they knew that they were lying.
That's what they came out with.
That was their approach.
Like, we'll kind of admit it, but we'll just say it's really nothing to worry about.
And then they followed that with an all-summer-long propaganda campaign using influencers and TikTok personalities to get young people and teenagers to get injected.
So now we all, everybody now knows that Pfizer's lying.
They lied.
They hid data.
They wanted to hide the data for 75 years.
You remember that?
That was through the FDA.
It was like, oh, we're not going to release the, because we don't have the manpower to get out the clinical trial data.
They were going to try to hide it for 75 years until a judge overruled them.
So why do you think, I know it's speculation, but what do you think changed with Donald Trump?
I think that's an interesting question.
I don't think we really know other than clearly this is coming to a head.
I think the Pfizers of the world are trying to get rid of his secretary.
I think Kennedy and Trump have a strong relationship.
And Kennedy's been telling him, I'm sure, for a year, Donald, there are problems.
The COVID measures were bad.
They lied to you, Mr. President.
And I think that Trump is now willing to look at that.
And I'm really grateful.
I think a lot is going to come out in the open at this point that has been taking place probably behind the scenes.
So what do you expect that is that's going to come out in the open?
Well, what I expect to come out in the open is Pfizer's lies.
I think, you know, it's one thing for Daily Cloud and War Room and Children's Health Defense to talk about Pfizer's life.
It's a totally different thing to have Bobby Kennedy as Secretary of Health and Human Services say, Pfizer, you lied to the president.
You lied to the NIH.
You lied to the American people.
And we're not going to take that lying down.
What exactly is going to happen?
I'm not certain, Jimmy.
I mean, I think this opens the door potentially, depending on what happens next, to HHS suggesting that Pfizer should be prosecuted.
Under the PrEP Act, there is a provision for willful misconduct.
If in fact it is very clear to the American public and based on documents that Pfizer knew these shots were going to be ineffective and deadly and injurious and they went ahead anyway, isn't that willful misconduct?
I believe it is.
And they weren't alone.
Obviously, there were people in the government that were collaborating with Pfizer.
So, and it's not just Pfizer, it's also Moderna.
Moderna was a joint venture with NIAID.
So this all goes very deep.
That's what Kennedy is really up against right now is these entrenched forces and these extraordinary conflicts of interest.
And so the PREP PREP Act, it shielded the vaccine manufacturers from liability.
But if you commit fraud, then your shield of immunity from lawsuits or prosecution goes away, correct?
Not exactly.
You're thinking of the 86 Act, the PrEP Act of 2005, Public Readiness and Emergency Preparedness Act, is an incredibly unconstitutional statute that Congress passed.
It's absolutely unconstitutional, and it has incredibly limited ability to bring any kind of claim.
But the claim that you can bring to a federal district court with three judges in Washington, D.C. is for willful misconduct if Health and Human Services or Department of Justice sort of blessed.
that claim.
And Health and Human Services here might be in a position to help initiate that.
And then you have to prove it by clear and convincing evidence.
But I think there's market forces at play too, Jimmy.
There's a lot of different things that could happen.
FDA could take away the license of some of their products.
There's a lot of different ramifications that could happen.
But I think that it starts with there emerging a much bigger formal consensus.
Pfizer did things that were arguably criminal.
Yeah, I think the whole thing was criminal.
You know, I was misled.
You know, she was, Naomi Wolf was talking about April of 2021.
They knew these signals of adverse events had been showing up.
And that's coincidentally exactly when I got my vaccine injury.
And so they lied about that the vaccine would stay in your arm.
It goes through your whole body.
So that was lie number one.
And then it also gave me nerve damage, which is not a, which is a common adverse event.
You get nerve damage, which I have.
I had an occipital neuralgia.
And who knows how much spiked protein is still in me because the spiked protein has been, even Yale did a study where it said it stays in your body for, I think, over two years, up to 700 days.
So do you really expect to see some kind of criminal prosecution over this?
No, I can't tell you for sure that there's going to be a criminal prosecution, but I do believe that we will not be safe from the next pandemic or the next emergency that shuts down the world until there's been some kind of serious, deep truth telling and reckoning about what went down in COVID.
And that tweet from the president was the first signal that I've seen in his presidency where he was suggesting that's possible.
And that gives me some hope that he's A, standing with Secretary Kennedy, who's facing an onslaught right now.
And he said he's going to come out with where autism is coming from in September.
So there's long knives and the firings at CDC also brought out long knives for Bobby Kennedy.
Trump is essentially signaling, I am standing by Bobby Kennedy, and I'm looking at you, Pfizer, and presumably Moderna and others to see if you were really telling the truth during COVID.
You know, I think we also know Senator Paul is eager to get Tony Fauci before the Senate under oath.
I think we haven't yet seen, we haven't seen what we need to see in terms of some kind of truth telling and reckoning about what happened in COVID, where the Constitution was shredded, Jimmy.
I'll be honest, I'm surprised that Donald Trump didn't fire RFK already.
I thought that was what was going to happen, seeing that he's taken so much big pharma money and he seems to bend the knee to his donors at every turn.
But here he is doing the opposite.
It seemingly is a great sign that he's standing up because, I mean, I think Big Pharma gave him like $100 million for his first inauguration.
Yeah.
So in the first administration, you'll remember that he had tapped Bobby Kennedy in November of 2016 to create a vaccine safety commission.
And then, you know, the phone lines and emails went cold.
And he did take money for his inaugural party.
This is different, right?
We're in 2025.
They found a meeting of the minds.
I'm certain that Bobby Kennedy was honest with the president about his views of what happened during COVID.
And I have no doubt that Donald Trump was lied to, not only by Pfizer, but we know Dr. Fauci is a big liar.
And Francis Collins and Wolensky, all the people, the heads of the FDA, the CDC, the NIAID, they were all lying, not only to the public, they were lying to the public, which they were.
They were saying that the vaccine stopped transmission and contraction.
They were saying it had 100% efficacy.
They were saying that 100%.
They did.
They said 100%, you know, based on totally bogus numbers.
You're absolutely right.
I do think that the president has an out that President Biden doesn't have.
And that is all these people really did conspire to lie to him.
Remember, he was talking about hydroxychloroquine.
He was saying, I don't support mandates.
He was trying to get this, you know, rushed out and he was listening to his advisors.
They did lie to him.
And I think he has that out to say, I was grossly misled.
I think potentially that's available to him in a way that is absolutely not available to the last administration.
Yeah, 100%.
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I'm here with our special guest from the Children's Health Defense, Mary Holland, is with us.
And this is the big story.
I was excited to talk about this.
More than 1,000 HHS staff call on RFK Jr. to resign.
Now we're going to find out that this has been coordinated.
And it all started over this woman who when she got appointed as the CDC head, we were immediately suspicious of her.
She comes out of the DARPA.
She has very shady past.
And she's been, so here it is.
New Susan Monterey was fired as CDC director for trying to keep mRNA shots on the recommended childhood vaccine schedule and saying vaccines save lives.
She has a long history of connection to Bill Gates and his foundation, such as her time at Stanford for postdoctoral research, where she worked in a department chaired by Mark Davis, who went on to receive $50 million from the Gates Fund, from Bill Gates and Gates Foundation, I'm guessing, before the pandemic to create vaccines and found the university's human system and founded the university's human systems immunology center.
Moderes has also served as the deputy director of ARPA under Biden and oversaw a partnership with biotech firm called Ginkgo Bioworks.
This firm was underwritten by Gates, controlled investment firm, Cascade Investment.
So that was the big, so he fires her, and then this guy resigns, right?
So this guy and three others.
She wouldn't fire him and three others who were really in charge of vaccine policy.
And so he fired her, and then the four resigned.
And then she wouldn't leave.
And then Trump fired her and she's litigating.
So I just want to show you who this guy is.
So this, his name is Dr. Dimitri Dasgalakis, and he was a top official who abruptly resigned from the CDC.
He posted his resignation on Twitter and it got more than 19 million views, right?
And so here's who he really is.
I just want to show you this.
So he is a shill for big pharma, no doubt about it.
This guy is a liar and a shill.
And either that or he's the worst scientist/slash doctor I've seen in my life because here he is, you're going to hear him recommend the hepatitis B vaccine for babies.
And as we all know, the only reason you need a hepatitis B vaccine is if you're an intravenous drug user or you're having unprotected sex.
So at the best, you should probably wait to give that vaccine to someone until they're in their teens.
And the mothers, so he gives a bogus reason for this.
Let's listen.
I mean, from my vantage point as a doctor who's taken the Hippocratic oath, I only see harm coming.
I may be wrong, but based on what I'm seeing, based on what I've heard with the new members of the Advisory Committee for Immunization Practices or ACIP, they're really moving in an ideologic direction where they want to see the undoing of vaccination.
They do want to see the undoing of mRNA vaccination.
They have a very specific target on COVID, but I do fear that they have other things that they are going to be working on.
Hepatitis B vaccine is on the agenda for the meeting in September.
I predict that what they're going to do is try to change the birth dose of hepatitis B vaccine so that kids don't get it when they're born.
So if you have a mother who is well connected to care, you know her hepatitis B status, that may not matter very much.
Which is almost every mother, every mother.
Which is almost all it's like it's very few mothers are hepatitis B positive.
You can find it out and then you can either vaccinate those women or you can give them therapeutics.
Four million babies get a birth dose of hepatitis B and some of them die.
It is absolutely absurd.
By the time somebody's actually sexually active in their teens, that vaccine may well have worn off.
So in the best of circumstances, it's problematic.
It used to contain mercury.
It doesn't have mercury anymore, but it does have aluminum.
It's a very dangerous vaccine that babies don't need.
And I think he's absolutely right.
The newly constituted advisory committee is going to look at the hepatitis B vaccine at the end of the month.
As well, they should.
It's a crazy federal recommendation that most hospitals comply with around the country.
Now, for the purposes of YouTube rules, I can't go against what the CDC is currently recommending.
They currently recommend that a baby gets their first vaccine as the hepatitis B vaccine.
So that's, you know, I just have, I can't disagree with what the CDC currently says.
That's what they currently say.
And you know what's funny is when I tell people, so I remember I was at a Christmas party in Hollywood, a lot of Hollywood types there.
And there was one gentleman there who was, he was a doctor and he was, he was retired.
He was 73.
And he said, we've got to talking about the election.
And he said, I'm worried that Bobby Kennedy is going to, you know, get rid of the vaccines.
And I go, well, do you know that there's 72 shots now on the schedule, child schedule?
By the time you're 18, you could say, he goes, what?
72.
I go, yes, 72.
How many did you get when you were a kid?
How many did I get?
I think I got four.
I said, now there's 72.
He said, oh, I didn't know that.
I said, you know what the first vaccine they give to a baby is?
He didn't know.
I said, it's the hepatitis B. His jaw dropped.
He goes, huh?
Why would they do that?
I go, you tell me.
That's why Bobby Kennedy's there.
And that's why they're fearmongering people like you against Bobby Kennedy because he's on the right side of this.
And that's what they're afraid of.
And it's going to cut into their vaccine press.
That guy's mind was blown.
He was a doctor and he didn't know any of that stuff.
So it is very curious.
Lots of people are very skeptical of giving a hepatitis B vaccine to a baby.
And just as you pointed out, if the mother has hepatitis, you could test her.
You know she's got it.
And then you could give her a therapeutic or give her the vaccine.
Absolutely.
Immunoglobulin.
But that guy even admitted that of the 4 million shots that are given on the day of birth throughout the country, it's almost entirely unnecessary.
We're talking about a few tens of thousands of women maximum who are hepatitis B positive.
I mean, it's a money maker.
It's a billion-dollar money maker and it's putting children at risk for no reason.
So they're, and he's worried that they're going to stop giving the hepatitis B vaccine to newborn babies.
He's worried about that.
He wants that to keep going.
So there was a reason why he, you know, Menaras was asked to fire this guy.
So she was asked to fire him and by Bobby Kennedy.
She was asked to fire him.
She wouldn't.
And so then did Bobby fire him?
So Bobby fired her.
And then he and three colleagues walked off the job and resigned with a lot of fanfare.
And then they got people outside, other employees to cheer their, they clapped them out when they left the offices.
And then they've gone on to the news shows and social media to plead their case about how horrible Bobby Kennedy is.
You know, I heard really good news today, Jimmy, that the first president of Children's Health Defense, Lynn Redwood, who is a nurse practitioner and who's studied vaccines for over 20 years, she is now going to be at the Centers for Disease Control advising as a special employee advising on vaccine policy.
So there's change coming.
The acting director at the CDC now is Jim O'Neill, somebody who'd been at HHS with Bobby Kennedy.
He's clearly aligned in carrying out this Make America Healthy Again agenda that does include a full-scale review of the vaccine schedule.
Over 50% of American kids have some kind of chronic health condition.
You cannot exclude the possibility that the vaccines are playing a role in that.
You absolutely cannot exclude that possibility.
The rise in chronic health conditions parallels the rise in vaccination.
Yeah, so there was like something like 11% of children had chronic health conditions.
And then when they got immunity from prosecution over vaccines, they exploded the child vaccine schedule now from what I think it was four or six shots now to 72.
And chronic illness is correlated with that.
Now it's up to 50% of kids have chronic illness.
We don't have the science on whether that's directly connected to vaccines, but a lot of people are suspicious that it is directly connected to it.
It certainly is a correlation.
Very strong correlation.
And a lot of what people have trouble with are autoimmune conditions.
And we know that hyperstimulation of the immune system can result in autoimmunity.
So there's a lot of reasons to imagine that there are serious problems in the way.
that we're vaccinating children.
It doesn't mean that all vaccines are bad.
It doesn't mean that there couldn't be better vaccines.
It doesn't mean that you couldn't potentially rearrange the schedule.
But our position at Children's Health Defense is that there should be no medical mandates that everybody has to comply with.
Everybody's different and people need different medical interventions.
You can't have a one-size-fits-all system without harming some people.
And the law actually even acknowledges that.
That's why they gave the liability protection to the doctors and to the pharmaceutical industry because they knew that these products were going to kill and injure some people.
And, you know, they say, you know, I've heard the head of Pfizer Boyla say that the reason they need the shield from civil suits over vaccines is because people will just make up, well, I got in a car accident and I'm going to blame the vaccine.
Well, they could do that with any drug.
And they don't have that protection for any other drug that they say.
Absolutely right.
You know, drugs are not protected and drugs are litigated all the time and they're often pulled off the market and there are billion dollar settlements.
Do you really think that where there's no good oversight or litigation potential that these companies are a lot more honest?
It's not really logical.
Well, here's what Rand Paul said.
Rand Paul said, no medical reason to give newborns hepatitis B vaccine if mother is not infected.
All mothers who deliver in a hospital are tested.
The scientists fetish for vaccines, not supported by the data.
That's what that is.
That is a fetish for vaccines at the best.
That's at best.
At worst, he's being paid to lie and give bad medical advice to people.
And I lean towards the latter.
I think that he knows his career and where the money is, and he doesn't have any integrity as a doctor, as far as I'm concerned, because, well, here's what I like what Kelly Means tweeted out.
He said, the leader of the CDC, who is being held up as the face of science, covered up in falsified data on myocarditis risk, encourages to this day COVID shots for every six-month-old, encouraged orgies as normal Friday night activity.
That was during monkeypox.
He's talking about this guy.
He was saying, ah, you know, orgies are okay.
We should support their joy.
That's what he said.
Openly encourages bondage and devil worship.
Well, that's not of my business.
And implied it's bigoted to use the word mother instead of birthing person.
This man is the leader of the experts we are told to trust.
Americans have a very clear choice.
More of the status quo or reform.
So that's that guy.
So that's that same guy.
And what here's what Marianne DeMasi, she, so this guy here, this guy, Retsev Levi, is that he says his name?
Levi?
Levy, I think.
Levy, okay.
So several top CDC officials quit in protest announcing Restev's leadership of the COVID vaccine workgroup.
Now it's an exclusive interview.
He reveals what really happened behind closed doors.
So what most people don't know is that in the weeks leading up to his resignation, Dr. Dimitri, this guy, this guy, this big liar guy who made all the news, Had been working with Levi or Levy and other members of the ACIP, locked in a tense tug of war over how broad the work group's remit should be.
As chair, Restev left for a wide pushed for a wide lens that would follow the evidence wherever it led.
That guy, Dr. Dimitri, on the other hand, pressed to narrow the scope of the review and sought to populate the group with CDC loyalists intent on preserving the status quo.
So, senior CDC officials opposed to Levi's broader approach were reluctant to sign off on the terms of reference.
So, here is what she's talking about.
What really happened?
What went on behind closed doors between ACIP and the CDC officials who resigned?
Well, here, I'll just read it to you really quick.
Okay, so what exactly happened behind closed doors?
So, Levi says, So, let's go back a bit.
Once I was tasked with the role of being the chair of the COVID immunization workgroup, it was my job in consultation with my colleagues on ACIP and more broadly, as well as with experts from the FDA and the CDC to formulate an agenda for what the workgroup should be doing in the coming years.
And in doing so, I think we mapped a range of issues, which we spoke about in our last discussion and have been listed in the terms of reference that's on the CDC website.
I personally think that the agenda we formulated reflects the intentions to have a science-driven, evidence-based, comprehensive discussion of the risks and benefits of the vaccine products by leveraging and bringing to bear all the available information and knowledge.
Previous ACIP discussions on the topic were narrowly focused on very specific questions and on very specific data sources that more often than not provided a very partial analysis and superficial answers or no answers to critically important questions.
They did not analyze a large body of scientific literature published in some of the top academic journals that have direct implications for the risks and benefits of these products and related policy recommendations.
And I think that the idea behind the new terms of reference was to change that.
We will not exclude any question that is relevant, nor will we exclude any data source source or knowledge source that is available.
There's one more.
So, what did the CDC officials who resigned want to exclude from the COVID workgroup's term of reference?
Well, the third example was the most shocking to me, emotionally shocking.
The first two examples were intellectually shocking, but this one was different.
It was their unwillingness to examine the issue of vaccine injuries.
To me, recognizing vaccine injuries and vaccine-injured people is a foundational component of any successful vaccine program.
You need to care for the people that trusted your system and were unfortunately injured as a result.
We have seen a lot of gaslighting and leaving the vaccines injured out to dry.
I want that to change with the COVID immunization workgroup and more generally as a part of the ACIP work.
We have recruited to the workgroup several highly qualified physicians with great experience who have taken care of thousands of vaccine-injured people and long COVID patients, and we're going to use their expertise, use their experience.
We'll ask them to help us formulate recommendations about how to improve diagnosis, provide recognition for these patients, and support more research into potential treatments.
To me, it's a moral obligation, and the fact that these leaders argued about that was emotionally shocking, if I'm being honest.
So, this guy, this guy did not want to look into the issue of vaccine injured.
He didn't want to talk about vaccine injuries.
And the head of ASIP right now says that was emotionally distressing to him.
The CDC deployed its legal team in an attempt to intimidate ACIP into excluding vital topics from the COVID workgroup's terms of reference, issues that urgently needed examination.
So he was asked, can I ask you how they did it?
How did they go about asking to remove these topics from the terms of reference?
And Levy says they tried to use the lawyers.
They used strange legal arguments to say that it was not in the scope of ACIP to examine these issues.
I could not accept that.
As it turns out, they were wrong because it is in our scope.
And now we intend to examine these issues.
This sounds intense.
It was not pleasant, he says.
Bravo, RevSev Levy.
Bravo.
I mean, I'm so glad that he stood his ground.
And that working group, Jimmy, is also a sign that this administration is serious at looking back at what happened during COVID, particularly with the COVID shots.
And so, again, a lot of people, I've been on the side of RFK on this.
And I'm just like, yeah, he's not doing everything at the speed that we'd like.
But it's going in the right direction.
And now you see the knives are out for RFK because he's actually going to use science and he wants to have actual testing for vaccines, meaning placebo tests, which they have never done.
Never.
They've never done those.
People don't know that.
People don't know that vaccines have not been tested against a placebo.
They've been tested against other vaccines.
Right.
And what they did, they actually did use placebos for the COVID shots, Jimmy, but then they vaccinated the placebo group.
So you can't have any long-term studies.
I mean, just at every turn, it's not really science.
So let me just finish with this.
For his part, so Restef, how do you say his name?
Levi?
I think it's Levy, but it could be Levy.
I don't know.
For his part, is not interested in taking pock shots or fueling a social media brawl, but he is prepared to set the record straight.
Levi was, or Levy or Levy, I don't, calm and deliberate, weighing his words carefully, but there was steel behind them.
The attack, he told me, didn't phase him.
I'm as focused on the data now.
I'm not going to engage in personal attacks.
So good for him.
So, and just to let you know, the knives are out.
They're all coming from.
Bernie Sanders has called for RFK to resign.
Patty Murray from Washington.
John Asuff, Democrat from Georgia.
What a garbage person.
Chuck Schumer.
Here's Chuck Schumer.
Fire RFK Jr.
Now.
So they're panicked, which means to me that RFK is over the target.
Over the target.
That's exactly what it means, Jimmy.
And so now you know what really happened with this faker.
I just really wanted to.
So this guy, as far as I'm concerned, is a corrupt, criminal, maniac, anti-science liar.
And of course, all the shitlibs, as I call them, who don't know, who get their medical advice from people who are funded by Big Pharma, they turn on MSNBC.
They turn on CNN.
They go to Fox.
They go to Wall Street, the Journal.
They go to New York Times, Washington, all these places that are funded by Big Pharma to lie to you, like Rolling Stone Magazine, when they said that you couldn't get to see an emergency doctor because there were so many ivermectin patients clamming up the clogging up the emergencies.
And that was all a lie.
They just made that up.
Nobody has to pay a price for that, just like his lies.
Nobody has to pay a price for that.
And so I want to show you just one more thing.
So now that they're coming for Bobby Kennedy, and I want to show you just one more thing.
So they also fired this guy, Paul Offutt.
Now, I've known Paul Offitt was a charlatan liar, corrupt piece of it for a long time.
And so he wasn't, I couldn't believe he was still working there.
But I just wanted to.
He's on an advisory committee at the FDA.
And he was taken off the advisory committee.
He was not renewed, which is great news.
He is very biased.
He's another pharma tool, essentially.
And here's Callie Means.
He's going to give him a dressing down about Paul Offitt's lies and conflict of interests.
What's causing distrust in public health authorities is conflict of interest, like Dr. Offutt taking millions of dollars from pharmaceutical makers like Merck while approving and recommending pharmaceuticals on ASIP committees.
It's the fact that Dr. Offutt's saying that science is always settled when he himself has approved vaccines that have been recalled for causing organ failure for kids.
And it's the fact that Dr. Offitt is talking about measles, which is important.
And I want to be clear, Pamela, and I want to get this out.
It's important, but there were 300 deaths from measles a year before the invention of the vaccine.
We have 38% of children right now having prediabetes.
Bobby is focused on that.
He's focused on reorganizing the department.
And that's what we should be talking about, not this distraction.
So I want to show you one more clip of Dr. Paul Outfit, who recently got let go by RFK at the FDA in his advisory role.
Here he is.
He's going to admit to you that he knew that you should not recommend the COVID vaccine for healthy people, especially children.
He knew this.
He told Dr. Fauci this.
Dr. Fauci said, yeah, I know that too, but we're going to lie anyway.
You think I'm kidding?
Let's watch this.
Meaning maybe a year ago or so, because I was already getting out there saying, I think we should target high-risk groups.
So he was saying we should just use the vaccine, which is very much like the, what was the declaration called?
Anyway.
The Great Barrington Declaration.
The Great Barrington Declaration said that you should target vulnerable populations, elderly people with protect the elderly and let everybody else go about their lives.
And so he's claiming that he was saying that also, but he wasn't saying it publicly.
And so here, watch this.
Getting a lot of pushback from public health people who felt that I had gotten off the bus.
Because see, that was the whole feeling in this.
You know, you're either on the bus or off the bus, and there was no in-between.
So I'd gotten it.
I said, Tony, am I wrong?
Am I wrong in making it?
He said, no, you're right.
So he said to Anthony Fauci, am I wrong by saying we should only recommend the COVID vaccine for vulnerable people, the elderly and people with cold diabetes?
Am I wrong?
He asked Dr. Fauci, am I wrong?
And Dr. Fauci says, no, you're not wrong.
But listen to the next part.
We should target high-risk groups.
The problem is, the minute you say that, it becomes a nuance message.
And a nuanced message is a garbled message.
If you really want to make sure those groups get vaccinated, then you recommend it for everybody.
And okay, so if we think that, we should say it.
Because my personal thinking on this is if that's the reason we're vaccinating healthy 16-year-old boys, that's not a good reason.
And just have it open.
Say it openly.
You know what I'm saying?
Because I think people are smart enough to hear it.
So he's admitting there that they, what Dr. Fauci, the CDC, the FDA, they were all lying to people by saying that they should get the COVID vaccine when they knew they didn't need it.
And he's admitting that they all lied and he's admitting he went along with it.
He went along with it because you have to either be on the bus or off the bus.
And he always wants to be on the bus.
And so he wanted to be in the inner circle.
He didn't want to be shut out because he, and so why would what would get him shut out?
If he stood up loudly and told the truth about what he just said there.
So if he was saying that in 2021, he would have got kicked out and he would have been, they would have called him fringe, anti-vaxxer.
And they would have been an anti-vaxxer.
They would have called him an anti-vaxxer.
So, those are the kind of people they're firing over at the CDC.
And I say bravo to President Trump and bravo to RFK Jr. for getting rid of these people who I would call pukes.
I would call these people corrupt.
I would call these garbage people.
And there's no bigger garbage person than Paul Offutt and Dr. Dimitri, who's still recommending a hepatitis B vaccine for babies, for newborn babies, when we already know if the mother has hepatitis or not.
You test the mother, and then you'll know.
And then you don't have to give that vaccine to that baby, but he's all for it because he's corrupt.
So here's Trump is going after going after Venezuela.
As soon as you find out that Venezuela has more oil than Saudi Arabia, you know why Donald Trump tried to overthrow Venezuela in his first term, why the United States government has been trying to overthrow them for 30 years, and why he's trying to do it again.
And he's doing it under the guise of fighting drugs.
Here's what he said.
When you come out and when you leave the room, you'll see that we just, over the last few minutes, literally shot out a boat, a drug-carrying boat, a lot of drugs in that boat.
And you'll be seeing that, and you'll be reading about that.
It just happened moments ago.
And our great general, head of the Joint Chiefs of Staff, who's been so incredible, including what took place in Iran, knocking out potential nuclear power for a long time to come.
I think within a month they would have had it.
We didn't do what we did.
But he gave us a little bit of a briefing, and you'll see.
And there's more where that came from.
We have a lot of drugs pouring into our country, coming in for a long time.
And we just, these came out of Venezuela and coming out very heavily from Venezuela.
A lot of things are coming out of Venezuela.
Yeah, oil.
We took it out, and you'll get to see that after this meeting is over.
So I'm going to show you why that's a lie, what he's saying about the drugs coming out of Venezuela.
But first, I'm going to show you the real reason that Donald Trump and every president has been trying to overthrow Venezuela.
And here he is going to admit it.
Donald Trump admits it, what it's all about.
They want to steal their oil.
How about we're buying oil from Venezuela?
When I left, Venezuela was ready to collapse.
We would have taken it over.
We would have gotten all that oil.
It would have been right next door.
So that's why they put economic sanctions on Venezuela.
That's why they want to get rid of Maduro.
It's because they want to steal their natural resources.
The same reason we overthrew Iran.
The same reason we did Iraq.
The same reason we did live.
It's always the same goddamn reason.
Donald Trump left troops in Syria.
Why?
For the oil.
And how do I know that?
He said so.
And here's why what he said about the drugs coming out of Venezuela isn't true.
For reference, this is a picture showing actual data about drug routes from the U.S. government themselves.
Note how Venezuela is indeed the place where drugs do not flow to the USA.
Once again, this is according to the U.S. own official data.
Let me put it, it's not coming.
Here's Venezuela.
Drugs are not coming from Venezuela to the United States, ladies and gentlemen.
Latin America narcotics connection, maritime trafficking.
This is Venezuela.
This is where the drugs are coming from.
That's August 31st, 2025.
This is their own data.
This is Venezuela.
This is where the drugs are coming from.
So The drug cartel state is actually Ecuador, but it's a U.S. vassal, so who cares?
Declassified video showing the U.S. committed a war crime when it fired on a civilian vessel near Venezuela.
Being suspected of carrying drugs does not carry a death sentence and certainly not one without due process.
So there's this boat that they say was carrying.
Look at this boat.
This is the boat, they said, that they blew up because it was carrying drugs.
You see how tiny that boat?
I thought it was going to be like a giant ship.
It's a literal little boat.
The difference between a boat and a ship.
That's a boat.
And they say, oh, it was full of drugs.
So, and by the way, they say that the Justin Amash says Congress has not authorized military hostilities against Venezuela.
There's no exception permitting unilateral action because it's drugs or terrorism or a designated organization.
The peace president strikes again.
Here it is from the AP.
Trump says U.S. strike on vessel in Caribbean targeted Venezuela's Trendiagua gang and killed 11 people.
Well, guess what?
Former Philippine President Duterte is in custody in The Hague right now.
Why?
Because he's being charged by the International Criminal Court for ordering the summary execution of alleged drug traffickers.
Trump just ordered the summary execution of 11 alleged drug traffickers.
President Donald Trump said Tuesday the U.S. has carried out a strike in the southern Caribbean against a drug-carrying vessel that departed from Venezuela and was operated by the Trend de Argua gang.
No proof provided of any of that.
The president said in a social media post that 11 people were killed in a rare U.S. military operation in the Americas, a dramatic escalation in the Republican administration's effort to stem the flow of narcotics from Latin America.
That's not what he's doing.
That's not what this is about.
Trump also posted a short video clip of the small vessel appearing to explode in flames.
The strike occurred while the terrorists were at sea in international waters transporting illegal narcotics headed to the United States, Trump said.
No U.S. forces were harmed in the strike.
Please let this serve as a notice to anybody even thinking about bringing drugs into the United States.
I'll show you again that map.
This is not where the drugs are coming from.
This is where the oil is.
The video appears to show a long multi-engine speedboat traveling at sea when a big bright flash of light bursts over the craft.
The boat is then briefly seen covered in flames.
The video, which is largely in black and white, is not clear enough to see if the craft is carrying as many as 11 people.
The video also did not show any large or clear stashes of drugs inside the boat.
And that's why they're saying it's AI.
They're saying this is AI.
So there's the boat.
There's the boat.
Do you see 11 people in there?
Do you see large caches of drugs?
So they're saying this was AI.
So there's the boat.
This is what your military is doing, ladies and gentlemen, to try to intimidate a country so we could steal their oil, try to destabilize a country so we could go in there and steal their oil.
There it is.
So that's the big flash of light.
And they say that's AI.
They're saying that's not even real.
Trend de Agua originated more than a decade ago at an infamously lawless prison with hardened criminals in Venezuela's central state of Aragua.
The gang has expanded in recent years as more than 7.7 million Venezuelans fled economic turmoil and migrated to other Latin American countries or the U.S. Why do you think those 7.7 million Venezuelans fled Venezuela?
Because the United States put sanctions on that country to make life miserable for people so they would overthrow their government so then we could come in and install a puppet and steal their oil.
Well, that didn't happen.
7.7 million people left.
And where'd they go?
They came to the United States.
Trump and administrative officials have repeatedly blamed the gang for being at the root of the violence and illicit drug dealing that plagued some cities.
And the president on Tuesday repeated his claim, contradicted by a declassified U.S. intelligence assessment, that Trende Agua is operating under Venezuelan President Nicolas Maduro's control.
So even their own U.S. intelligence doesn't say this.
Trump is just making this up, just like he made up that Epstein is a left-wing hoax.
He just makes stuff up.
He's making this up.
The White House did not immediately explain how the military determined that those aboard the vessel were Trende Agua.
How do you even know?
The size of the gang is unclear, as it is the extent to which its actions are coordinated across state lines and national borders.
Maduro did not address the strike directly, but charged that the U.S. is coming for Venezuela's riches.
Of course they are.
The South American country has the world's largest oil reserves.
From the neighborhoods of Caracas, I tell you there will be peace in Venezuela with sovereignty.
Communications Minister Freddie Nunez questioned the veracity of that video.
Based on the video provided, it's very likely that it was created using artificial intelligence.
He couldn't say what tools would have been used to create that video, but said it showed an almost cartoonish animation rather than a realistic depiction of an explosion.
Trump and Secretary of State Marco Rubio first announced the strike earlier Tuesday, shortly before Rubio left on a trip to Mexico and Ecuador for talks on drug cartel security, tariffs, and more.
In a brief exchange with reporters before departing Miami for Mexico City, Rubio deferred questions about the specifics of the strike to the Pentagon.
He said the drugs on that vessel were likely headed to Trinidad or elsewhere in the Caribbean.
So now we're patrolling Trinidad.
We're doing international policing on behest of Trinidad.
Here he is saying it.
Here he is.
The president is going to be on offense against drug cartels and drug trafficking in the United States.
It destabilizes not just the country, but the entire Caribbean basin.
These particular drugs were probably headed to Trinidad or some other country in the Caribbean, at which point they just contribute to the instability.
So that's it.
we're all too aware of the notorious and ongoing instability caused by drugs flooding into the nation of Trinidad.
For years, Marco Rubio has spoken out against Maduro and other Latin American leftist governments and supported opposition leaders.
Why?
Because Marco Rubio is bought and paid for by the fossil fuel industry and the military-industrial complex.
That's why.
In 2018, no matter who you vote for, you get John McCain.
In 2018, during Trump's first term, Rubio told Universe in that Univision that there was a strong argument to be made for the use of U.S. military in Venezuela.
So they're just shifting the reasons why now.
They're not just making up a whole new reason.
Before it was Maduro was a dictator, Herman is like, we have to go protect the people of Venezuela.
We got to bring their people some democracy and steal their oil.
He's also accused Venezuelan officials of aiding drug traffickers.
Asked if Trump would carry out operations on Venezuelan soil, Rubio was opaque.
We're going to take on drug cartels wherever they are and wherever they're operating against the interests of the United States.
I bet they're operating right around the oil fields in Venezuela.
Maduro has insisted that the U.S. is building a false drug trafficking narrative to try to force him out of office, which is exactly what's happening.
So there's your peace president, Donald Trump, starting wars all over the place.
Iran, bombing Yemen, funding a genocide, sanctioning, continuing to send arms to Ukraine, putting sanctions on India for buying oil from Russia, putting sanctions on Russia, and now doing this.
He and other government officials have repeatedly cited a United Nations report that shows traffickers attempted to move only 5% of the cocaine produced in Colombia through Venezuela.
Landlocked Bolivia and Colombia, the access to the Pacific and Caribbean, are the world's top cocaine producers.
So it's Colombia and Bolivia.
It's not Venezuela.
The latest UN World Drug Report shows that various countries in South America, including Colombia, Ecuador, and Peru, reported larger cocaine seizures in 2022 than in 2021.
But it does not assign Venezuela the outsized role that the White House has in recent months.
The impact of increased cocaine trafficking has been felt in Ecuador in particular, which has seen a wave of lethal violence in recent years, linked to both local and transnational crime groups, most notably from Mexico and the Balkan countries.
Maduro on Monday told reporters that he would constitutionally declare a republic in arms if his country were attacked by the United States forces deployed in the Caribbean.
So a strike carried out by the U.S. forces on a boat in the Caribbean, blah, blah, blah.
The U.S. is not a signatory to the United Nations Convention on the Law of the Sea, but the U.S.'s military's legal advisors have previously said that the U.S. should, quote, act in a manner consistent with its provisions.
What provisions?
The provisions of the United Nations Convention on the Law of the Sea.
And what does it say?
Under the Convention, countries agree not to interfere with vessels operating in international waters.
There are limited exceptions to this, which allow a state to seize a ship, such as in hot pursuit, where a vessel is chased from a country's waters into high seas.
Force can be used to stop a boat, but generally, this should be non-lethal measures.
But he added that the use of aggressive tactics must be reasonable and necessary in self-defense, where there is immediate threat of serious injury or loss of life to enforcement officials, noting that the United States' moves, the moves they just did, were likely unlawful under the law of the sea.
So under Article 2.4 of the UN Charter, countries can resort to force when under attack and deploying their military in self-defense.
Trump has previously accused the Trendiagua cartel of conducting irregular warfare against the United States, and the State Department has designated the group as a foreign terrorist organization.
But Professor Michael Becker of the Trinity College Dublin told BBC that the U.S. action stretches the meaning of the term beyond its breaking point.
The fact that U.S. officials describe the individuals killed by the U.S. strike as narco-terrorists does not transform them into lawful military targets.
The U.S. is not engaged in an armed conflict with Venezuela or Trendiagua criminal organization.
Not only does the strike appear to have violated the prohibition on the use of force, it also runs afoul of the right to life under international human rights laws.
So this is Donald Trump bringing an era of peace, and there he is breaking every international law to kill people and try to start wars for oil.
Professor Moffitt said that the use of force in this case could amount to an extradition arbitrary killing and a fundamental violation of human rights.
Labeling everyone a terrorist does not make them a lawful target and enables states to sidestep international law.
But the U.S. officials have been quick to defend the strike.
Lindsey Graham wrote on next that the strike was ultimate and most welcome sign that we have a new sheriff in town.
His fellow Republican Senator Bernie Marino from Ohio wrote, sinking this boat saved American lives.
To the narco-traffickers, and so this is again, they're all just tools.
Questions have also been raised as to whether the White House compiled the U.S. law in authorizing the strike complied with U.S. law in authorizing the strike.
The U.S. Constitution says that only Congress has the power to declare war.
However, Article 2, which lays out the president's power, says that the president shall be commander-in-chief of the army.
And some constitutional experts have suggested that this grants the president the power to authorize strikes against military targets.
Trump's administration sources have previously cited this provision when defending U.S. strikes on Iran.
Heg Seth says boat strike is a start of a campaign against Venezuelan cartels.
Defense Secretary says President Trump said a small boat was carrying drugs, but offered little evidence and few details.
So there's your next war.
It's in Venezuela.
Congratulations.
This is not what anybody voted for.
Nobody.
Congratulations.
So there's only one bright spot in Trump's administration.
The rest are dark spots.
Very dark.
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