Trump Breaks EVEN MORE Promises He Made To The MAGA Base! w/ Carey Wedler
Carey Wedler, a content creator and former journalist/editor at TheAntiMedia.org, joins guest host Misty Winston to discuss her recent Substack article, “Five stories you probably missed during the Epstein circus.” Wedler highlights five underreported developments: massive Pentagon contracts to AI firms (XAI, Anthropic, OpenAI, Google) in warfare, a Pentagon office for weapons testing being dismantled, questionable claims about Trump striking Iranian nuclear sites, and emerging skepticism around official military narratives. Wedler also examines Trump’s contradictory positions—like supporting stablecoins (via the Genius Act) while opposing central bank digital currencies, and promoting “peace” while authorizing extensive air strikes, including in Yemen. Finally, she notes the EPA’s halted efforts to address fluoride in drinking water—a reversal of Trump’s prior approval—and emphasizes this string of broken promises as evidence that the MAGA movement may be awakening to the reality that politicians often fail to deliver on their radical claims. Plus segments on RFK’s dubious announcement of a huge MAHA win by persuading Coke to switch from corn syrup to real sugar and Democrats’ continued defense of support for the genocidal Israel regime. Also featuring Kurt Metzger and Ryan Cristián!
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Okay, so we're going to be joined now by Carrie Wedler.
So Carrie is a content creator who focuses on breaking through authoritarian programming to promote peace, freedom, decentralization, and the evolution of consciousness.
She previously worked as a journalist and editor-in-chief for the now banned anti-media, an independent news organization.
She takes special interest in the intersection of spirituality, self-ownership, and anarchism as a path forward for humanity.
And she's one of my absolute favorite people over on the tweeters.
So Carrie, thanks for being here.
Hi.
Thank you so much for having me.
I can't believe we've never spoken like before.
We have been buds on Twitter for a very long time, but we've never actually done a show together.
So I'm very excited to have you here.
And the reason I wanted to have you here is because you recently wrote an article, which by the way, here you go, everybody.
If you want to go follow Carrie over on Twitter, it's at Carrie underscore Wedler.
Go check that out, please.
Follow.
Criminally underfollowed, in my opinion.
You can also go to the website where there's links for all of this stuff.
And then this is the sub stack.
It's called Pleasure to Burn.
Go support all of that good stuff.
So and you can see the article there that we're going to be discussing.
Five stories you probably missed during the Epstein circus.
As I was just talking to Kurt about, there's often a shiny object that they like to throw at us when there's other things going on behind the scenes.
So here's the article if you guys want to go check it out.
So let's talk about these five stories that people should know about and probably don't.
So what's this first one here, Carrie?
Yeah.
Well, first, I just want to put in a quick word about this article format, which is something we used to do at the anti-media before we were banned when there were all these media feeding frenzies.
It seemed really important to us to bring attention to other things.
And it's something that's been adopted by like the mainstream alternative media now where they'll do these stories, but it's all filtered through MAGAism and like the Trumpian narrative.
So it was exciting to write something like this again.
So let's get into it.
The first one, this is really an escalation of existing tactics and trends, but the Pentagon awarded contracts for up to $200 million each to four different contractors.
And this includes Elon Musk, his ex-AI.
I don't even know if I'm pronouncing that right.
Anthropic, which is a little less well-known.
They do the LLM Claude, which is actually pretty good, but it's viewed as like the safety AI.
And then, of course, there's Google, who we know has a long history of contracting and doing deathly immoral things.
And what was the other one?
Not open AI.
Open AI.
I'm looking at it.
So I've got Google, OpenAI, XAI, and Anthropic.
So those are the four.
And they're not hiding it.
They're looking for AI in the warfighting domain, as well as intelligence, business, and enterprise information systems.
This is on itself, this is not a new trend, but it's yet another escalation.
And it goes along with things that I'm sure some of this audience has heard about the appointment of tech executives to be lieutenant colonels in the army.
They have no military background as far as I know.
They're not going to be doing further training, but they are being very much integrated into the fabric of the existing military industrial complex.
Yeah.
And if anybody was ever curious why Elon Musk, with his little doge extravaganza, never went after the Pentagon, this is why.
He gets a lot of money from them.
He gets a lot of money.
Yeah.
So, I mean, this really should surprise nobody.
This is exactly the type of thing that they've been working on for a very long time.
The AI thing, moving the military into a more AI, which is terrifying.
But yeah, this is one of those stories that, and by the way, obviously we're just doing like a very quick hit on each of these five topics.
Highly recommend you go and research it for yourself, check it out, inform yourself, all of that good stuff, share with your friends, because these are stories that are not being covered.
So what's this number two one?
Yeah, that's actually a perfect segue because I wanted to add one more thing, which is interesting that at the end of May, Pete Hegseth, the Department of Defense leader, gutted a office within the Pentagon for testing weaponry, like for making sure it operates properly.
And I didn't include this in that post because I couldn't verify 100% that the contractors and the contracts that I was talking about would have been directly tested by this office.
It's so bureaucratic there.
So I didn't want to make assumptions I could not prove.
But I think that's really interesting because, well, the Pentagon wages a lot of war.
They are currently bringing AI into warfare.
And this actually goes down with something a little bit we'll get to in a couple of minutes.
But as everyone heard, the Trumpian strikes obliterated the nuclear size of the Iran and everybody believed it.
And the CIA confirmed it.
And it's headed by a Trump stooge, John Ratcliffe.
So this is another report that came out.
And of course, okay, well, for one, you know, MAGA would deny it.
It's not true.
This is the deep state.
It's illegal.
Leaks.
They're trying to make us look bad.
It's hard to say because everything that has to do with American warfare and empire is so obscured by narrative and bluster and so many layers of lies and deception.
But according to this report that came out, it was based on the testimonies of several people from the intelligence community.
Shockingly, those sites were not actually destroyed.
And they could start making nuclear weapons if they wanted to, the Iranian regime within months.
And it was previously said, oh, it's going to be years before they can do anything.
It turns out that's probably not true.
And I think a lot of people didn't buy that from the beginning.
So that was cool to see.
There's still a lot, or there's a mounting, I think, level of dissent and skepticism of things like bombing Iran right now.
Yes.
And that I think if we're going to look for a silver lining, which is not really in my character to do, I am a very cynical person.
I admit it, very self-aware about it.
But I do think that there is a little silver lining because I think we are starting to see people be very suspicious and skeptical as they should be.
And I think a lot of people are now.
And I think honestly, Israel's done a fantastic job of pushing that forward because they've been caught in so many lies, like real time busted in huge lies, you know, the 40 beheaded babies and the errant Hamas missile with the hospital.
And I mean, we could just go on and on and on, the rape allegations, all of that stuff.
So they've been caught so many times that I think so many people who maybe wouldn't have asked questions before, not just about Israel, but about a host of things are now really starting to ask questions.
And yeah, this Iran thing is obviously ridiculous.
I think it might have been Dave.
Somebody in anti-war also covered this whole thing about that they're going to be back up and running within a couple of months probably.
But Trump obliterated there.
It's silly.
So it's like they're still using 2003 war propaganda.
It's like, you guys haven't updated it.
You guys are pretty skilled at manipulation.
You're still going with the same old talking points.
And it finally is starting to wear thin.
They use the, they use, I think it was in Ukraine.
They used the Viagra stories from Iraq.
Yes.
They use, oh, Russia's given all of their soldiers Viagra.
Y'all did this in Iraq.
Can we please get some better writers?
Like absurd.
The 40 beheaded babies, when I heard 40 or whatever, I immediately thought incubator babies.
They're just redoing the same stuff.
And I think what's fascinating about that is that Israel actually killed a bunch of babies and incubators.
They just like turned off the power and made all the doctors leave and a bunch of babies just died laying in incubators left alone.
So yeah, I mean, usually, especially with Israel, if they're accusing somebody of doing something, they've probably done it themselves.
Exactly.
Yeah.
It's all very absurd.
Okay.
Let's move on to number three.
CBDCs.
This is a this doesn't and I'm guilty of this too.
I don't talk about this nearly enough.
So tell us what's going on here.
Yeah.
So one of the big things that was a selling point for anti-establishment types in voting for Trump, which if you watch my content, you know that I think that was a ridiculous line of thought.
But a lot of people who believe Trump's promises were very adamantly opposed to a central bank digital currency, which traditionally would be issued by the Federal Reserve, which is a private bank that is very shadowy and very much intertwined with the federal government and centralizes power and control and money.
That's, we could talk about that for like forever, really.
Yeah.
But when Trump issued an executive order back in January, it was purported to be a ban on CBDCs.
But in the same order as it says in this text of the article, he was promoting support for stablecoins, which are kind of like CBDCs with an extra step.
They are tied to the US dollar.
They continue to promote U.S. hegemony.
What's interesting is that Howard Luttnick, his secretary of commerce, who previously ran Cantor Fitzgerald, that firm is deeply invested in Tether, which is a stablecoin.
And now Luttnick's son is running the company.
So I don't know, maybe somebody stands to benefit from legislation like this.
Not that it's all being done for Howard Luttnick, obviously.
It's much bigger than that.
But in the Genius Act, it's all about creating a regulatory framework for stablecoins, which is going to help propel it into the mainstream.
You have big banks now looking at adopting them.
But there are some very questionable provisions in this act.
And I have some of the text pulled up.
So part of it is about, I have three things right here that I should have labeled better.
But the stablecoin issuers are, it's so funny.
So there's an exception to sharing non-public information in this bill because the bill says you can't share this information.
But there are exceptions for one, to comply with federal, state, or local laws, rules, and other applicable legal requirements, to comply with a properly authorized civil, criminal, or regulatory investigation subpoena or summons by a federal, state, or local authority, and to respond to judicial process or government regulatory authority having jurisdiction over the public company,
which is very garbled, but kind of clear speech, basically to say like, we're in power and you're going to comply with us and you're going to be our henchmen and our goons and our stooges and you're going to report anyone doing anything that's not authorized to us so we can enforce it.
It also establishes per the Banking Secrecy Act, it establishes provisions for monitoring transactions for reporting illegal activity.
It's a whole rat's nest of extending the existing surveillance infrastructure, but now extending it into the new technology that they are looking to make very mainstream.
Yeah.
I'm going to fiddle with my lighting here real quick.
It's getting very harsh in my face.
You're fine.
I get it.
100%, I get it.
Friday, I hosted the show and I have had issues with headaches and migraines since like my early to mid-20s.
And like four minutes into the show, I got what's called a crash migraine, which is just like onset real fast.
Like it's like four minutes in and I'm like, and then I've got these lights and I'm like seeing stuff.
Yeah, lights are the worst.
I used to get migraines.
I so relate.
It is brutal.
Yeah.
People keep telling me that as you get older, you get less of them.
I'm 43.
I still get them a lot.
So I'm hoping maybe as I get older, they'll go.
They can't figure out why.
My mom also gets them.
I think it's just genetic.
Lucky me.
But there you have it.
But yeah, the and the genius, the genius act, the reason why I even wanted to talk about this is because of the genius act.
A lot of people that I follow on Twitter were talking about Jason Bassler, Derek Brose, a bunch of different people.
Those are kind of their wheelhouse type things.
And I wish I would have included this tweet in the slideshow, but Jason said, so you heard about the cold play cam, but didn't hear about the Genius Act quietly passing, laying the groundwork for stablecoins to track your every move and lock down your financial freedom.
Congrats.
You're exactly the distractive captive they want to control.
And that's harsh, but true.
Like we're all laughing at the cold play cam, which listen was funny.
That was very funny.
The memes that came out of that were quality.
But there were things happening.
And that's why I wanted to have you on to talk about this because there's a lot going on that, you know, the shiny object distracts us from.
So, okay, let's talk about number four.
What's going on here?
This is one of my biggest pet peeves about the anti-establishment Trump base, which is they were convinced that he was going to end all the wars and he was going to turn on peace and Donald Trump as the peace president and everybody else World War III.
And a lot of us who did not fall for the MAGA rhetoric have known for a long time that Donald Trump was never anti-war.
His record speaks for itself.
I have a whole article on my substack about all of the ways that he was extremely pro-war, but here's another example.
So it turns out that in the first six months of his presidency, he has waged almost as many airstrikes as Joe Biden did in his entire term.
And I'm not a Biden apologist, not a Biden supporter.
That's how bad.
Crazy.
Yeah, right.
Like, and that, I mean, that is staggering.
Six months versus four years.
And from what I read, the majority are in Yemen, which is like, have they not suffered enough?
Right.
And has the strategy not proven ineffective for long enough?
This has been going on for years.
It upholds the existing power structures of the Saudi-led regime or the Saudi-led bombing campaign by the Saudi regime.
This has been going on for so long.
And Trump actually, when he was president, the first time vetoed a congressional bill that was supposed to end U.S. involvement in Yemen.
And he said that he vetoed it because it would undermine his authority, his executive authority.
So he really wants to have the power to bomb a poor country that's suffering with, well, starvation.
I think, was it cholera?
There were things horrible.
I think it's cholera.
It's a, they're so, so, so under the thumb of Western imperialism.
And it's not enough.
You got to keep bombing them.
And it's, you know, after 20 years, obviously, it'll work finally.
They're going to really finally take out the terrorists.
But it's again, just such a war is peace, ignorance is slavery, all of that, or ignorance is truth.
Wait, no, war is peace, freedom is slavery, ignorance is truth.
Yeah.
Yeah.
It's all of that wrapped into one because he will still talk about what a peace president he is.
And he's still being floated as a Nobel Peace Prize nominee.
And it's just like, it's really hard.
I think it's hilarious, Carrie, that Benjamin Netanyahu nominated him.
Listen, so I'm a true crime nerd.
So this, this flew over everybody's head on Twitter because not a lot of people on my Twitter are true crime people.
When I treat about true crime or sports, nobody, everybody's like, what are you talking about?
But I said it's like John Liss nominating Chris Watts as father of the year.
So those are both family annihilators for those of you that don't get it.
But the idea that Benjamin Netanyahu, and you're right.
I think that the, it drives me absolutely insane.
You know, we, we've, we've bantered about this on Twitter before, but the MAGA base pretending like this man has ever been anti-war is absurd on every level.
I'm astonished at the number of people that fell for it.
And like intelligent people bought into this or at least bought into a level of the hope, the copium that they're like, oh, well, maybe he'll be, you know, slightly less repugnant than Kamala Harris.
Like it's just so ridiculous.
And yeah, it drives me crazy too.
And I'm glad to see, as we were just talking about with Kurt, I think that at least on some level, the MAGA base is questioning him.
Some of them, there's some that are embarrassing and so shoved up his anus that they cannot even breathe anymore.
But there are a certain percentage of them that are at least asking questions.
Some of them are being very vocal.
And that's good.
I think that that's at least a little bit of a positive.
They are starting to at least hold him, at least attempt to hold him accountable, which is, you know, we can't really do that.
But, you know, okay, so let's move on to this last point here of the five stories that we probably haven't heard of.
So what's this one about?
Oh, yeah.
So this is a big one for the Maha Make American and Make America Healthy Again base, because one of their big concerns is fluoride in the water.
And I know the left, the mainstream left, they like to mock anything that deals with something like that.
But this has been well documented for a long time that fluoride in children can affect neurocognitive development.
This is not like the article I linked to is from Harvard.
You know, this is not like, I'm not, you know, I'll just leave it at that.
But what happened was there was a ruling in September 2024.
I'm calling it a decision because I'm not a lawyer.
I don't, maybe there is a distinction between ruling and decision, but the decision was from a federal judge that the EPA needed to do something.
They needed to take some regulatory action to address the potential risks of fluoride in the water supply.
He didn't say what.
He didn't say it had to be banned.
It was just, you guys got to, you know, figure it out and do something.
And right at the end of the Biden administration, they decided to appeal that decision.
Now, I don't know if the Trump administration has taken that exact appeal and they're just continuing or if they're creating their own, but they're basically trying to overturn that decision saying that something needed to be done.
And this is really flying in the face of the promises Trump made to the Maha base.
And he also even said back in November that if RFK Jr. wanted to do that, he would be okay with it.
It wasn't like the most resounding, like, yeah, let's do this.
We're going to take one, but he basically gave tacit approval for this.
And now, of course, the administration is backtracking.
This is something they've done on a lot of things.
And they're cheering about, I don't know, like getting cane sugar and Coca-Cola over high fructose corn syrup and we're going to be healthy.
Thank God I can have more sugar in my diet.
Like, but you know, like it's, it's just such a slap in the face.
And my sensibility is not that things should be banned.
Obviously, there's a, there, there are chronic health issues in this country.
I've had them, you know, like I'm, I'm no stranger to how sick this country is.
But I personally don't believe in trusting this government to regulate things into safety because the job they've already done has created such a mess.
It's contributed so much to the disease and the illness now that I think for so many issues, including this when it comes back to our communities and our personal autonomy in our agency.
And I understand that there are bigger trends, that there are bigger disadvantages and certain people have more access to certain things.
I don't want to undermine or diminish any of that.
But when it comes to people like this in positions of power and this government, I'm going to pass on having them keep me safe.
I'm good.
I can handle this one on my own.
Yeah.
Well, and that's, you know, people continue to talk about having universal health care.
And that sounds good, right?
Like I was a big proponent of universal health care until COVID.
And then when you realize that universal healthcare means that the government is going to be in control of said healthcare, I think I'm good on all that.
And not, I don't, listen, I'm not smart enough to have all the answers.
I'm not going to pretend to be, but I think we need to start looking at alternative potential possibilities for the healthcare situation.
But I wanted to bring up the last couple of paragraphs here from the article because it's kind of what I was just alluding to earlier.
Not all the news has been grim.
If nothing else, Trump's decision to abandon his base over Epstein has led many to question their once unflinching support for him.
Further, the developments noted in this article provide further evidence that Trump is not the anti-establishment freedom fighter him, he and his team made him out to be.
As I wrote last week, go check out that article as well.
This can be a painful experience, but it's also an essential one in the conscious evolution away from subservience to corrupt and coercive power structures.
As the regime continues to paint its technocratic authoritarian reign as a resounding success that's ushering in America's golden age of freedom, prosperity, and transparency, it remains essential to shine, to shine light on the many policies and actions that disprove this narrative.
And that is so well said because that is, I think, what we're really up against at this point.
And you're right.
It is a painful experience.
And I think that being somebody who's more, I'm very politically homeless, but I'm often lumped in with the left just for whatever reason, which is fine.
I don't have a problem with that.
There's a lot of things I don't agree with them on.
There's a lot of, I don't, I don't, I don't do isms or cults, not interested.
But I will say that watching the way people handled the absolute betrayal of Bernie Sanders, I feel is a very similar situation that we're seeing MAGA go through now.
And I will admit, I'm not great at being patient and or kind to these people at times, because to me, it is so obvious and it's very frustrating to watch otherwise intelligent human beings fall for this nonsense.
However, it is good that a lot of them are coming around.
So do you see that that's going to, because here's my concern as a cynic, the same people who are now questioning Trump and are starting to see through it and all that stuff, I am very afraid that they're going to fall for the next demagogue, J.D. Vance or whoever Elon Musk runs in his America party.
So are you more hopeful than I am, Carrie?
Because I'm not very hopeful.
Yeah, unfortunately, I think you're right.
There are going to be plenty of people who are upset now who are going to have the next politician, the next shiny thing come around and tell them they're going to fix everything and they don't have to be scared and they don't have to, you know, worry about it anymore.
And they're going to fall for that.
But I do think that there's at least a small percentage of people who have had enough because I think for a lot of the MAGA base, Trump was it.
It's like, well, if we don't get Trump in, it's over.
Yeah.
And I don't think it's over.
It's, it's not over, whether you like Trump or not.
This is not the end, but it's what has to change is that acceptance of responsibility away from politicians and toward ourselves and the ability to organize for ourselves, not this top-down oligarchy with these people at the top just giving us nice rhetoric.
And so I, it's going to take time, I think.
And I, full disclosure, I was a fanatic Obama supporter when I was younger.
I mean, I believed every word he said.
I checked nothing.
I verified nothing.
I just went all for it.
So I, I really can empathize with people who did this with Trump.
And that's why I'm trying to be a little kinder than I usually am.
Because if you saw my content before the election, I'm like, I'm pretty brutal when I'm breaking down.
What I love about y'all.
But I'm trying to be more empathetic because like I was there too.
I was not born seeing through all this stuff.
Some people were.
And it's really impressive.
If you're one of those people, that's very cool and good for you.
But I had to go through a really painful experience.
And I went from Obama to another politician and then I started to get it.
And then I started to look more broadly at the system and see that, oh, wait, like this is a feature, not a bug, you know, as it said.
And, and I think that there are going to be some people who start to realize that with Trump.
And it's yeah, no, we're seeing it.
I mean, and I think you're right.
Some of them are out now, like they're out.
And I think that they'll stay out.
I think that there's a not insignificant amount of them who are going to get roped back in, unfortunately.
But maybe I should be nicer because it's, you know, what's the, you catch more flies with honey or something, whatever.
I'm not great at that, though.
Yeah, same.
Especially on Twitter.
Just, I'm making excuses a little bit because I could put an effort into like thinking before I respond or whatever.
But I deal with so many trolls that my snark is on a hair trigger.
Like, I'm just like, I just dismiss people as trolls immediately.
I don't even like pause to think, are they asking a genuine question or are they making a genuine, I'm just like immediate like snark.
So I need to probably get it.
But yes, I do think that there are going to be some people who are now free of the facade that is electoral politics.
But it's just, and I'm glad that you brought up the fact that we need to start taking accountability for ourselves.
We need to start organizing out outside the system.
I think it's the biggest thing that we can be doing right now.
And like people always ask me, oh, then what's your plan?
And I know you get that all the time too.
Oh, yeah.
Well, tell people, what's the plan, Carrie?
What's your plan?
If you're not just going to go vote.
Yeah.
And then I tell them and they're like, no, that's not good enough.
Right.
Well, you asked, I gave you my ideas.
Do you have any ideas?
Like, no.
And what I found is usually that question, sometimes it really is in good faith.
A lot of times it's just people who are unable to hear you and they're looking for any kind of deflection of like, let me discredit this person.
Let me just make them cynical or negative or pessimistic or whatever.
And that's the reason that they don't like my authority guy.
It's because they want to be mad.
And we all got that before the election.
We got the year just blackpilled.
You'll see Donald Trump is going to liberate us.
It's all going to get so much better.
We're going to get the upsteam pals.
I think I actually booked market tweets of like basically saying that.
And I was like, I'm going to save this for later.
And now I feel too empathetic to put them up last, but like that, it's such a pervasive mentality.
And it's, I think moments like these, even though it's hard for a lot of people, this is where people with our views really have an opportunity to reach them.
There's a certain vulnerability there when you realize that the things you believe with certainty are not actually true.
And that's, I'm like really, really trying to not be a huge bee about it because there is a sense of, yeah, and there is a sense of indication because for I never actually supported Trump.
I never fell for it, but there were people on social media before the election that had me not like questioning my views because I'm pretty grounded in what I believe and I am pretty well researched, but there was this little voice in my head of like, what if you're wrong?
Are you going to have to make like an apology video acknowledging that actually Donald Trump is the savior?
Like, you know, like just like, and I didn't think that was actually going to happen, but these people were so fervent that it's kind of hard not to, you know, I try to be accountable even to myself.
I don't want to give into my own biases.
So I was trying to be honest with myself with like, well, what if he really is going to save us all?
Turns out I don't have to worry about that because no.
And you're right.
There is a sense of like vindication when you're like, oh, yeah, see, I was right.
Like I, right.
And it's hard to not do the I told you so dance, even though, listen, I wish I was wrong.
Exactly.
I really do.
I wish I was wrong about mom Donnie or however you say his name in New York.
I wish I had been wrong about AOC.
I wish I had been wrong.
I wish I was wrong.
I really do.
I wish that there was somebody coming along to save us.
It's just not happening.
I mean, I'm a huge fan of Carl Sagan.
And in Pale Blue Dot, he says, nobody's coming to save us.
And I, when back when I was very young and I heard that for the first time, that stuck with me.
That phrase stuck with me.
Nobody is coming to save us from ourselves.
And that's just the reality of it.
So we have to start doing it for ourselves.
I mean, and it's okay.
We can do it.
But I mean, we have to stop falling for the BS first.
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Ryan Christian is an independent journalist known for his commitment to transparency and truth.
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Ryan, thanks for being here, my friend.
Hey, my pleasure.
It's great to see you again.
Yeah, it's good.
It's been a long time, actually.
I'm glad to have you here.
So I wanted to talk to you about a couple of different things.
So let's start with Maha.
Maha.
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So Ryan, Maha is winning.
We're winning.
We're getting real sugar.
We're getting Mexican Coke.
Does that make America healthy again, my friend?
It's funny.
I actually made a comment about this in particular.
I think I said something like, you know, the simple point being with everything else they've done, mRNA shots, MRA platforms, MMR push, you know, 180 on that, CRISPR pig meat.
I mean, on and on.
And I don't know if you saw they're now appealing.
I think Derek's working on an article for it for TLAV, the fluoride lawsuit ruling and the reality there.
And so I simply said all that.
And then, but you get, you know, a little bit better sugar in your Coca-Cola with your fast food, you know, winning.
It just seems like such a ridiculous point.
Let me be clear, though.
I think it's a good step going in that direction.
But I mean, it's a, it's a very small thing in regard to what is going on in the big picture.
And I honestly don't know where to place Kennedy in all this.
Like I've always said about this, he, he, he has a very long track record of doing some very powerful work that I still support that really, you know, that still has an effect.
So I don't know why this is all shifted.
Maybe he thinks he can change from within.
You know, I just, I don't believe in that logic, but it's sad to see this right now, you know, like the big picture where it's going.
Yeah.
No, I agree 100%.
And the idea that they're trying to push this off is it's some kind of victory for making America healthy again.
And you're right.
Like it's a, as I often say, it's the crumb of a crumb.
Like it's being flicked in our general direction.
Here's real sugar in glass bottles.
And what I think is fascinating about this too, Ryan, is that this is not in any way, shape, form, or fashion, legislation or regulation.
It's just like, trust me, bro, from stake and shake.
You know what I mean?
Like this isn't the idea that this is being passed off as a substantive victory, I think is very misleading.
And it's unfortunate, the number of people that are buying into it and accepting it as like, oh, look, we're winning.
I don't think that that's the case at all.
Do you?
Not at all.
No.
And on this one point before we go to that is that I don't, I haven't followed on this since I think a couple of days ago, but when I saw the report, it looked like Coca-Cola was claiming they weren't really changing anything, that they're only going to be serving certain players.
So it's not even really a material change.
It's just sort of a gimmick, you know, and so it's sad.
But to the larger point, I mean, no, I mean, I don't, whether it's Maha or MAGA or the U.S. government and the American people, I don't think we're winning at all right now.
And it's, it's sad that at first it seemed a lot of people were willing to overlook a hell of a lot.
I do still think that there's a large portion of the conservative movement, not necessarily Republicans, team sport politics where I see that, but the conservatives that really wanted the best here, but started to see problems.
You know, they're just willing to hide a lot of what's happening.
But now there has been a very clear schism in this.
And I think it's a positive step.
I think people are, you know, Epstein was a little bit too far.
There's been movements all the way along that I think people are starting to see it, but the government's still going in the wrong direction, which I think if we can all acknowledge that that problem does exist, maybe we can actually do something about it.
But that's how the partisan game tends to work.
You know, they keep us divided, fighting ourselves so the agenda carries on, you know?
Yes.
And it's so frustrating because they're so good at this game.
I mean, and it's for you and I, not like I'm patting myself on the back here at all, but for people who recognize it and who see it and who are aware that that's what's happening, it is very obvious to me the methods in which they, they know exactly which buttons to push.
They know exactly which issues to bring up when.
They often use, and I say this all the time, but on war and Wall Street, there's one party and everything else, every other issue, LGBTQ, women's issues, abortion rights, education, everything.
All of that stuff is used to keep the people divided and fighting amongst ourselves.
And they're very good at like using those emotionally charged issues to make us fight each other, right?
Yeah.
And a good example of that is the point they make about USAID, right?
Is that, well, first, I should say that very clearly, there are people within both sides, you know, take woke for the Democrat side, very clearly people who have adopted that, who believe in these things, even in Congress.
I don't think everyone in Congress is really in the know, quite frankly.
But the point being is those things exist.
But at the higher level, the level of what we're talking about, the government, the agenda, the real direction and the outcome, it's clear that these things are just a means to an end.
I don't believe any of them really care about the pronoun.
It's about using it to censor, for example.
But the USCID point is we've seen this and you do see this very well.
We've talked about this many times over the years, that this is clearly like a non-part or all of government problem is that they will use whatever they can to achieve these ends in regime change and infiltration in resource manipulation.
And that was serving very, even on both sides of the paradigm for a while as a good foot in the door.
And even right now, still people don't want to acknowledge this.
If you look it up on USA spending, they're still funding HIV prevention and circumcision in Africa.
That was a big thing they called out.
There's still two different things I found like that.
My point is because those still, I think, work in those locations.
Alternatively, they use now new things they're rolling out.
And the point is, it's really just about the agenda.
They'll use whatever they can.
Like, for example, today, you know, anti-Semitism being used to censor directly, whereas it was more of a broad point before.
It's all kind of the same direction, you know?
So they use the things that we care about, or really a lot of cases, push these things into our belief structure and then use them to pit us against each other, you know?
Yes.
And that's a great point.
And I think that the creation of Maha was really them kind of capitalizing on the COVID situation, the distrust of governmental agencies, all of that stuff.
And I think that they realized that there was a kind of a niche element there where they could kind of jump in and start to make all these promises that sounded really good.
But Ryan, there's not been a single arrest on COVID.
Nothing, nothing really of substance has happened.
And in fact, as you mentioned, they're approving more mRNA.
They're throwing these ridiculous and superficial, again, like the crumbs, you know, Coke in a bottle with regular cane sugar.
That's not going to improve anybody's life in any way.
And people will try to pretend like, oh, well, you know, you have to take baby steps.
And I would agree with that if you weren't promised the world and you were promised that there was going to be accountability for COVID.
You were promised that, and just none of that stuff has happened.
Do you think that that, and you know, we kind of talked about it earlier with Carrie, but there's, there seems to be a kind of a wave of dissent happening within MAGA right now.
I feel like he's really losing his base.
I think Epstein was a huge nail in his coffin on that front, but I feel like the Maha stuff is really starting to, I think people are just now starting to recognize some of them, some are buying into it, but I think some people are just starting to recognize that this is not what they were supposed to be getting.
Yeah, in regard to the whole picture and Maha very much included, I think we're at a time where they recognized a change happening, you know, for a while now.
I mean, COVID was, I think, a really big moment there, but, you know, in Israel played a factor.
I think people are just starting to be, they're tired.
They're seeing through things that they haven't before.
They're asking questions they haven't before.
And so I think we're at a time where on all sides of it, like we saw, you know, the Fed and IRS, all these things they're floating and promising, most of which isn't, not the vast majority of which isn't happening.
They knew we wanted those things.
So they start to throw you those things, I think, in order to present the new solution, which was always what they wanted, right?
The whole technocratic overlap and a lot of different things.
But in the Maha direction, since that's the point of the question, it's the same idea, right?
They saw that a lot of us were very much in that direction, right?
We were tired of these things.
We don't want, you know, how about not just the cane sugar, just no Coca-Cola, or rather, you know, your choice, but they focus on understanding how bad these things are in a lot of things like the mRNA direction, right?
We all very clearly, in particular, the Republican side, were unhappy.
We wanted that to change.
And so they promised that.
And I think, you know, again, I don't know where Kenny plays in this.
Maybe they played him.
I'm not sure.
But the point is they used all of that like they did of like floating maybe Massey, maybe Ron Paul.
They knew that would pull certain people in.
And now Epstein, yes, is fracturing this, but I think Maha is a really big crack in that.
That hasn't really been acknowledged very well from a lot of people.
But immediately, you know, you roll out a Stargate platform on the very first week.
It's, it's clear most people are like, what?
I mean, that's clearly not what we want, you know?
And then they continue more things.
A self-amplifying shot for bird flu, a platform for mRNA.
Now, interestingly, the recent Moderna shot that was approved, there's a whole story around it.
Apparently they claim now that it was done while he was on vacation or something.
It seems like, I mean, maybe, but that doesn't explain the other five things they've done in that same direction.
So it's, it seems like they're really trying to patch this up.
But the reality is clearly that most people that believe they were going to do something different were played.
And I think, honestly, most of them are starting to realize that just about whether they choose to be honest about it, acknowledge it.
Many of them are still stuck in this binary thought process of, well, she still would have been worse somehow.
So my only choice is to keep supporting him and I won't say anything about it.
And that's a problem.
Yes, that's a huge problem.
And I think that what I think is for me anyway, one of the more interesting aspects of this is, and this is fascinating to watch on so many levels, but I feel like the MAGA Maha movement, watching them as a group become supportive of things that they in the past have been ardently against.
For example, like just the sugar and Coke and, you know, beef child, whatever.
These are people who are like big personal responsibility folks, right?
Like I'll make my own decisions.
And yet now you're asking the government come in and decide and dictate what ingredients are and what, which I mean, whatever.
You can argue that that's an effective method of making things healthier, but it's still soda.
Like it's not, that's not healthy.
It's never going to be healthy.
So it's across the board.
Like we've watched, at least I've witnessed it, watching MAGA, you know, starting to support AI and surveillance and the feds and vehicles.
Yes, it's crazy.
What is that, Ryan?
Because you're somebody who's been very tuned in for a very long time, something that you've been covering and watching for a very long time.
And to me, I think that that's very provocative because I'm somebody that loves, that sounds weird, loves propaganda.
I don't love propaganda, but I love studying it.
How is it effective?
Why is it effective?
All of that stuff.
And it's fascinating to watch this play out in real time.
So, I mean, what, what is that that they've now got MAGA supporting things that they have been very loudly and vocally against in just recent years?
Yeah.
And I think that's just a testament to the power of propaganda, social engineering.
And I do very much think that's a huge part of it, exactly like you just described it.
There's people that are willing to ignore or like change their entire worldview in order to stay in line with what they tell you you're supposed to think.
You know, like Epstein right now, same thing.
There are people that suddenly go, oh, who cares about that now, you know?
But I think I might have a slightly different opinion than most out there.
I'm not sure about that in regard to the, you know, who sees what, what way, but it doesn't seem you hear this a lot in the conversation that I'm of the mind that the majority, let's say, a large portion of the MAGA movement, Maha, especially the maha movement but both of them want the best for this country genuinely want good things in the right way but have just been played into thinking that would happen or thinking what they were doing was that and so i think the problem is that there's a huge like this influencer circle of the cat turds and benny johnsons and jones out there that just are
team sport politics, like right on your face on the surface.
And they tend to be the representation, even though I don't think it's accurate, of the entire Maha grouping that still sometimes support or want lean into them because they may think the other side's worse, whatever, but are willing to call out the mRNA platform, are willing to call out the Maha misdirection.
And so I think the interesting thing is that there's, I think it's a smaller number than we think that are the ones willing to just come out and be like, nevermind, Epstein, we should disregard.
But I think there's a huge portion of the people that supported Trump's administration that are just being quiet.
They don't want, you know, whether it's, they don't want to be wrong.
They just, they don't know.
Maybe they think they're missing something.
You know, honestly, one of the questions or the responses I get from most people is, well, there must be something, there must be a reason they're doing this, which is just, they're just choosing to stay in line, given the benefit of the doubt, because they don't know what else to do.
But the point is they still see it.
And I think that's a positive change right there.
No, I agree a hundred percent.
And we were talking about that earlier.
I think that there's a distinct difference, at least that I've witnessed between liberals and the Magamaha movement, because liberals would never hold Joe Biden accountable for anything.
They would never hold Barack Obama accountable for anything.
We're starting to see at least some elements of the Magamaha movement be loud and really in disapproval of what Trump is doing.
And I think, and him coming out and kind of spitting in the face of his own base saying, if you care about Epstein, then you're some loser.
And I mean, that was an astonishing development.
I was not expecting that move.
But yeah, I mean, just kind of lighting your entire fire on base, but I do think you're right.
That is kind of, and I'm not known for trying to find silver linings, as I've mentioned, but that is a silver lining.
Like people are starting to see through it.
And I think once, at least this was my personal experience, once something cracks the way, like your worldview, and you start to ask questions, it's not, you're just asking questions about the one thing.
You then start asking questions about all the things, because once that kind of the doubt creeps in, you start to think, well, if they're lying about that, are they lying about this?
And what else are they lying about?
And I think that that's, we're starting to see kind of an en masse movement of people starting to, and I think honestly, as you said, a lot of people are just quiet.
I think a lot of that is embarrassment.
I agree.
And I don't think you should be embarrassed.
It's more embarrassing to like, dig your heels in and double down and keep, continue to support these people.
And we've all been fooled, right, Ryan?
Like we've all fallen for something.
Everybody, everybody on the planet has fallen for something at some point.
So.
Yeah.
Well, we all woke up at some point.
I mean, we've all, I hate to even use that term these days because of the way it's all, it's misrepresented, but you know, we've all been, you know, not understanding the reality of how the political field works or the media works, you know, and then we have the moments where we start to go like, like you're exactly like you're saying, where we start going, well, that doesn't make sense.
You know, what else am I being lied to about?
And you look around and it's just like this endless, you know, there's so many open secrets right in front of you to just look at, you know, but, but to the point of that, what we were saying before is that I do understand the question, you know, what, why would they, you know, there must be something.
I mean, I get the thought, don't let that stop you from acknowledging that you're being lied to.
Right.
But the thing is it opens this door for like the point you made about Trump calling them weaklings.
Like they have people that know these things.
They must know that the vast majority of his base is, is on that path already, but likely largely because he put them there, you know, so turn around and call them all weaklings.
That is where I start going.
Okay.
That doesn't make sense to me with what I believed.
I mean, I could be wrong about what Trump is, but his hubris seems to guide him.
He's very big on his representation.
Like the thing with like the MS-13 and the knuckles, you know, I'm going, okay, he's being played right there.
I don't believe he would make himself look that stupid.
Right.
And so it makes me just ask the question, what is going on there?
Is this some outside force bringing this country down?
Is there some kind of internal coup taking place in this country?
Technocracy, foreign powers.
I mean, I'm not saying I necessarily think that, but we should really be considering that right now so let's make fun of democrats i want to make fun of some democrats okay so um they like genocide obviously um and jerry nadler here he decided that he uh is going to tweet out that i will proudly vote against marjorie taylor green's brutally anti-Israel amendment which seeks to eliminate funding for Iron Dome and other joint U.S.-Israel missile defense programs critical to Israel's fundamental security.
I have long supported such funding and it has been crucial to defending innocent Israeli civilians, especially in existential attacks against Iran, Hezbollah Hamas, and the Houthis.
Let's be clear.
The only amendment coming to the floor in the DOD funding bill that cuts funds for Israel security, including programs like the Iron Dome, is being offered by a Republican, not a Democrat.
And he says that like that's somehow like a good thing.
I mean, there's a swath of people that are like, they're going to flip whichever way Israel goes no matter what.
That's why I always say October 7th is the day Woke died.
Because even a bunch of like liberal BLM, you know, people, oh, I guess I'm white too, it turns out.
That's when it's right down there.
Yeah.
And I remember Marjorie Taylor Green was the one they said.
She never said this, by the way.
I looked up the Jewish space lasers.
Remember they accused her.
I was like, somebody else calls Star Wars that too?
They still bring that up, the Jewish space laser thing.
It's so stupid.
But this guy is a total.
Yeah.
This guy's a schmuck.
And listen, I haven't issues with this APAC tracker account because they gave Bernie Sanders a 100% on Palestine.
I mean, let's be real.
They're just tracking money, correct?
Yeah, they just track who takes APAC money.
No, not directly, but you know how that goes.
It's not like they just do direct donations.
For example, i think alexandria ocasio-cortez had accepted money from nancy pelosi nancy pelosi accepts money from apac so there's a lot of like backdoor ways that they can um but the idea that he's that that they are giving bernie sanders a 100 i think they gave alexandrio casio-cortez like a 86 or something like that percent on uh on israel and palestine that's just absurd um it's crazy she cried when she signed the funding to the she just did it again kurt
we're going to talk about it i don't think she cried this time but she is and i didn't have time to get it because i just saw it right before we went by but she is on twitter freaking out uh because people are calling her out about it because uh it's embarrassing but obviously nadler's post got some uh pushback medea benjamin said yes we noticed that because most of you both dems and republicans are in the pocket of apac yeah that's a problem she's anti-semitic too i don't care obviously jewish lesbian yeah she's obviously anti-semitic uh this is my pal jules uh fuck israel and
fuck you uh you're starving sniping and bombing a captive population with the money you can use to feed your own citizens fucking scumbag that's like really an understatement uh i appreciate her passion though um but yeah this is what makes me angry is everybody's uh we're all just fine with sending more money to israel uh what are you gonna do about it i mean no you i'm not fine a lot of people are fine with it but guess what you have literally no say well there are a lot of people who are fine with it though that's the problem is like the jerry nadler's
of the world and there's a bunch of people uh on both sides of the non-existent aisle who are just fine with funding israel and for their security well they're just actors i mean they don't do they're all there they don't read a bill that they signed none of them read anything they have a bunch of gay citizens to do all the little kind of work i don't know what are they they bang in that room and do blow and i don't know what i don't know what they do yeah i'm not even saying that as a joke that's things we know they know yeah so
uh you know same deal with right now nato and uh ukraine that they to disengage from this like horrific new world order it's just you're not going to vote your way out of you have to like not participate in it and i don't know and i i just tell people like maybe stop being a liar and stop you know joining your team yes and they do that thing where they go are you still loyal to trump he's supposed to be loyal to me not me to him of course i'm not they work for me i thought i thought this counts when
you vote well that's what you just what you just nailed it though you can't vote your way out of this none of them work for you none of them give two shits about you they don't care what you think what you want what you need they do not care uh and they're all really both so-called sides are serving the same agenda uh the i always i say this all the time the only difference between the two major parties is the demographics to which they pander to that's it um you know the the democrats pander to the uh lgbtq and
the you know feminists and all of that stuff and the republicans pander to the i mean it's all just a charade as they're as they're taking the last of everything and squeezing down middle class to nothing that big middle class of normies that don't know anything about anything that's your shield that's your true iron dome and since you're not feeding into that now a lot of people are annoyed and like hey how come i don't got what i need and now they're going to look at this and start noticing there's a problem
yeah then that's why nobody noticed for many 20 years before i understood anything about this at least i didn't want to know why would i want to know but sooner or later it's just going to hit you in the face you know unless you're being paid to not know that's the last like that's a guy paid not to know anything a lot of actors sure yeah i mean jimmy says it all the time there are people who uh their job is dependent on them not knowing you know what i mean like they're they're very comfortable with not knowing because it means that they can continue the gravy train
so and i mean you're right they're the more and more that they do this and these are i mean these are just like my friends from twitter that uh and a lot of them are kind of new to coming around to this stuff i think a lot of people are um and yeah if you go ahead and resign a disgrace he's not going to do that um he's making a whole hell of a lot of money but here's alexandria ocasio-cortez uh marjorie where's jerry nadley the rep of oh is it florida or no you asked me i don't think so
you asked because it's probably a demographic of like rich Zionist donors I would guess like that found in Florida Manhattan oh yeah so there you go he doesn't of course gonna resign no he's not he's safe and of course Alexandria Ocasio-Cortez also in New York and she says that Marjorie Taylor Green's amendment does nothing to cut off offensive aid to Israel nor end the flow of U.S. munition munitions being used in Gaza of course I voted against it what is it what it does do is cut off defensive iron dome capacities
while allowing the actual bombs killing Palestinians to continue I have long stated that I do not believe that adding to the death count of innocent victims to this war is constructive to its end that is a simple and clear difference of opinion that has long been established I remain focused on cutting the flow of U.S. munitions that are being used to perpetuate the genocide in Gaza since when Kurt has she been focused on that I bet it says rate proposed community nodes so I bet there was a flood of yes yes there is and
some reason and then like hey could you make us anyway uh uh iron dome doesn't even work that well so i mean it's a waste of money all the way around yeah yes and it just pisses me off that we give them any i think we give them like 3.8 billion dollars a year anyway just regular just every year we just give them 3.8 billion dollars that's beyond my ability to comprehend yeah on the books thank you money off the epstein child trafficking thing right you know since it's a worldwide thing you'd think
