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April 22, 2021 - Jimmy Dore Show
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Get ready for an outstanding entertainment program.
The Jimmy Dore Show.
Hello.
Yeah.
Oh.
Oh, hi.
It's just me again.
Who?
It's me, Jeb.
Gosh darn it all.
Come on.
Stop pulling my leg, will you?
Oh, it's Jeb Bush.
Well, duh.
Doy to the third power, Einstein.
Jeez, Louise.
Hey, guess what?
I am just ever so tired of my dumb brother.
I could bust like a big red balloon.
I could.
Yes.
But I won't.
You know why?
Why?
I don't want to, okay?
Hey, you sound like you're steamed about George W. Oh, that's why we're doing it because George W has a new book out.
You sound like you're steamed about George W's new book.
GW this and GW that.
God darn it.
Wow.
Oh, gosh.
I'm sorry.
Excuse my curse words.
But dang it, he's everywhere promoting this dumb book.
What's it called?
Out of many one.
Well, I got a better title.
Out of my big a-hole.
It just busts my buns that he thinks he's some sort of elder statesman when he's not.
Yes, that's what Washington thinks now.
But he's a war criminal.
My brother's a war criminal, okay?
Did everybody forget that or what?
I mean, don't get me wrong.
I don't think that's a bad thing necessarily because you got to do things to get things done, right?
But he didn't even do it right.
I could have done much better is all.
There are things people don't know about me.
Oh.
Hey, I can speak a foreign language.
Would you like to hear?
For instance, Esta Prohibito Fumar.
I know it's frustrating, Jeb, but you got to go out with your life, buddy.
Oh, come on.
He even got interviewed by Arnold Schwarzenegger.
He was the Terminator.
Yeah.
I can do him.
You want to hear it?
Yeah.
I will be back till return again.
Stuff like that.
My friends tell me I do good in person.
Speaking of Impersonations, did you see my stupid brother on the Dumb Today show?
I did not.
I missed it.
The girl news person asked him to comment on how long we've been in Afghanistan.
She's all like, can you believe it's been 20 years?
And he said, time flies.
Wow.
What an asshole.
Time flies.
What an asshole.
That is so lame.
Wow.
Well, what would you have said?
Six, one, half dozen the other, or maybe hang in there, baby.
For this one, don't sweat it.
I got a lot of good ones like that if you want to hear more.
I never got interviewed by the Terminator.
There's one thing I discovered about being in this family.
It's all about who you know.
Jeb, what's this all about?
Well, I'll tell you what it's all about, Buster Brown.
Many, many people are urging you know who to run for president in 2024.
In case you didn't know it, you know who is Jeb Bush.
That's me.
Who exactly is urging you to run again?
Liz Chaney and Lawrence Drive.
Oh, geez.
And some guys at the Lincoln Project.
I bet.
Our country wants some new blood, Jimmy.
New blood.
Yeah, me.
And I'm just the one to give it to him in buckets.
Yeah.
Oh.
I got lots of new wars lined up.
You wouldn't believe.
How does Australia grab you?
I wrote my first bumper sticker.
Want more war?
Vote Jeb in 24.
Anyway, please vote for me.
Okay, I'll shut up.
But I'm going to hang up now and go eat worms.
You'll all be sorry.
Bye.
Establishment media sets of arts fighting.
Good luck.
Bullshit.
We can't afford.
Fomenting this.
Whoa.
Watch and see as the jack off the median speeds and jumps the medium and hits them head on.
It's the Chimitor Show.
Music by Ben Thede So they found Derek Chauvin guilty on all three charges for killing George Floyd.
I like what Brian Merchant says.
He says, extremely cool to be so relieved that the man filmed in high death video murdering someone was found guilty of murder.
That's how bad it is in the United States.
We have to white knuckle that decision.
We weren't sure what was going to happen.
At least he got charged.
Only seven police officers have been convicted of murder for police shooting since 2005.
And you know how many police shootings there have been since 2005?
A trillion.
Turns out there's been a trillion.
One bad apple down, a whole orchards to go, says Trey.
And here's Nancy.
The reason why I really want to talk about this right now is because of this.
Nancy Pelosi went out and did this, and I don't know what in the hell is going on, but apparently there's no way.
By the way, now you're going to find out why she's less popular than Trump.
She's less popular than Trump.
Okay.
You're saying, I don't know what the hell is going on.
Neither does she.
Neither does she.
Watch this.
Thank you, George Floyd, for sacrificing your life for justice.
For being there to call out to your mom.
He didn't.
First of all, sacrifices, I think, are made voluntarily.
Right, Ron?
Yes.
That was not a voluntary.
He did not volunteer for that.
He didn't sacrifice.
He was victimized.
Right?
Yeah, no, no, this is, this is incredible.
Like, this is, I mean, I saw this yesterday when everybody was retweeting it.
And wow.
She's thanking a guy who was murdered by the police as if it's a verse in Goodnight Moon.
Yeah.
Yeah, it's.
And nobody told her this was a bad idea.
Thank you, George Floyd, for sacrificing your life for justice.
For being there to call out to your mom.
How heartbreaking was that?
Call out for your mom.
I can't breathe, but because of you and because of thousands, millions of people around the world who came out for justice, your name will always be synonymous.
If you were wondering, what does it sound like when a politician or a person talks and they're not emotionally connected to the words they're saying?
That's what it sounds like.
She's just saying things.
Calling out to his mom, huh?
How are we supposed to respond to that?
What?
Well, she's looking.
It's like she was looking for validation from the crowd.
Yeah.
Even they, I mean, a couple people behind her were kind of nodding.
They were sort of like, okay, well, but other people weren't even able to fake it.
Just calling out for his mom.
Boy, I bet that was a drag.
Am I right?
Like, what are you doing?
The Nuremberg trial ends.
Nancy Pelosi, I would like to thank the victims for their sacrifice.
Albert Lee says, Pelosi thanking George Floyd for his sacrifice continues the tradition of white people in power seeing us as black pawns on their ivory chessboards.
George Floyd's life mattered before he was murdered.
There it is.
Why I'm not surprised.
This is all you're ever going to get from them.
You're going to get there wearing whatever this is, some kind of symbolic clothing, a scarf.
You get a symbolic scarf as they fast-track more military, more military weapons to local police.
I'm sure that's what's happening.
Justin Obama's praise George Floyd's jury urge more action.
We cannot rest.
Wouldn't it be something if a guy like Barack Obama somehow got into a position of power, could actually do something about the criminal justice system?
Wouldn't that be weird?
Like if he had a, I'm talking like a long time to work on it, like eight years straight, he could totally redo it, rework it, reform it.
Or he was a mayor or something?
No, like even more powerful than that, Rod.
Like, I don't just think something crazy, like the head of the criminal justice system.
Like he got to be.
Like a governor?
No, like a like the president of the United States.
He gets that.
Oh, man.
If that would happen, I bet we get a lot of hope and change.
Someday, fingers crossed, maybe we'll get Barack Obama as president and he can do something about this criminal justice system.
Jesus Christ.
NBA players decide to strike for social justice.
Do you remember when the NBA players went on strike for social justice?
Guess who made them stop?
Barack Obama helped convince players to end their strike and return to play because capitalism, baby, because Barack Obama is a bullshitter because he's the anti-activist.
Barack Obama is the black guy from Wall Street.
He's not a community organizer.
He's not a community.
The community he lives in now is a 50-acre estate on Martha's Vineyard.
That's his community now.
White House to reauthorize military equipment for police.
There you go.
That's Barack Obama.
And that's, by the way, that's, by the way, 2016.
That's 2016.
This dude's entire post-presidency is just pretending he wasn't president and couldn't affect.
Oh, that's exactly right.
Love satellite.
That's exactly right.
His whole presidency is just pretending he wasn't president and couldn't affect any of this, which is like the joke we were just making, Ron.
Senior Democratic and Republican aides who would never let their bosses say so on the record probably told Axios that a guilty verdict in the Chauvin trial has lessened pressure to act on police reform.
Wow.
Chauvin was found guilty because he had to be to preserve the current system of policing.
The department turned against him to save itself.
That's exactly right.
That's all very well said, said Alex Vitale.
That's exactly right.
Imagine if they didn't find him guilty.
Then they'd actually have to change policing.
This month, Biden backed down from his campaign promise to create a police reform commission.
Holy shit.
Kamala Harris said, we're going to make something good come out of this tragedy.
Biden called the verdicts a giant step forward in the march toward justice in America and said no one should be above the law.
And today's verdict sends that message.
What about all the other tragedy?
They killed a 15-year-old girl as they were announcing this verdict.
They killed another 13-year-old girl right before they announced it.
This isn't stopping.
Cops, they never say, hey, why did you shoot them with their taser?
Oh, I thought it was my gun.
No, it's always the other way.
They never shoot them with, it's always the gun.
Why wouldn't you shoot a 15-year-old girl with a taser?
Why wouldn't you shoot a 13-year-old girl with a taser?
Why would you go to the gun?
Because that's how they're trained.
They're trained to be murdering maniacs.
And whose safety matters to police?
The police's safety, not yours.
They're not there to save you.
They're there to make sure they get home safe at night, which means being the itchiest trigger finger in the world.
We're taking giant steps forward, says the guy who's taking us giant steps backwards.
That's fantastic.
Just so you know, Joe Biden wrote the damn crime bill in 1994, which gave us mass incarceration.
We're the world's largest penal colony, thanks to Joe Biden.
We got more prisons, longer sentencings.
He escalated the war on drugs and targeted African Americans.
Joe Biden did that.
Donald Trump didn't do that.
Joe Biden did that.
Why is Biden and Harris doing victory lapse?
All they did was send out the effing military to occupy Minneapolis.
Exactly right, Kayla James.
So there you go.
There's Nancy Pelosi being weird.
There's every, and everybody's, she, again, remember, she's less popular than Trump, Nancy Pelosi.
And she's out there.
If they had a political, if they gave a shit about anything, they would keep Nancy Pelosi off TV.
But because they're narcissist megalomaniacs, she's always going to stay on TV, even though she knows the country hates her guts and she makes the Democratic Party look bad.
She doesn't care.
And neither do the rest of the Democrats.
It's amazing, Rod.
Well, yeah, I mean, the most unpopular politician in the country, the Democrats say, let's make her our leader.
Go ahead, Rod.
Yeah, well, and it's, I mean, keep in mind, it's just, it's unbelievable that she made a statement like that in that moment.
It just demonstrates that she's just incapable of understanding human empathy.
And this is the same person who, when people were in line for food a la the Great Depression, she thought it was a good time to show off her $12,000 freezer that keeps her favorite ice cream in it.
This is also, you know, the same woman who, when asked by Wolf Blitzer why we weren't getting another FU payment, why we weren't getting anything.
She went on this big ramble about how we feed the people.
We feed the people.
This is the same person who demonstrates this type of judgment.
And yeah, I mean, when you look at the world at large, and don't get me wrong, I am thrilled that he was found guilty.
I hope that he gets a just sentence.
He should spend the rest of his life in jail.
However, let's not forget the systemic rot is still there, and it's still very apparent.
And, you know, as far as reforming the police, that's too little, too late.
That ship has sailed.
Maybe there was a time where reform was enough, but we need more than reform now.
We need to completely demilitarize and defund the police, and we need to just abolish the entire system and build something completely new.
We had Michael Woods on before he fell off the face of the earth, and he was a former police sergeant from Baltimore, which is one of the most corrupt police departments in the world.
They're all corrupt.
And he has the idea.
The idea is community-based policing.
That's what we have to get back to.
We have to have community-based policing.
You have the community members with the oversight committee.
And the way it works now is when you hire a police captain or a police chief, they tell the community how they're going to police you.
It's supposed to be exactly backwards.
What's supposed to happen is the community is supposed to tell the cops how we want to be policed.
Like, for instance, hey, what do we do if we pick up a kid for curfew?
Do you want us to arrest them?
We'll tell you what we want you to do.
Hey, what should we do with people with marijuana?
What should we do with it?
What should we do?
Ask us.
We'll tell you what to do.
That's how it's supposed to.
That's how it should work.
That's not how it works.
The police in most cities are occupying forces, especially in Los Angeles.
The people who, for instance, the people who police Los Angeles proper don't live there.
They live miles and miles away in a totally different geographical area.
They live in the Mountain Canyons area.
Then they drive into the city to police the black people as an occupying force.
Now, the one thing about Chicago is they're not allowed to live outside Chicago, at least when I live there.
The police had to live in the city that they policed.
Is that too much to ask?
How weird would it be to put on a gun and go to someone else's neighborhood and police it?
That's what they do.
That's just that's standard practice.
So that's how the way we reform police is you have to do it community-based reform.
The people who live there get to tell the cops how they want to be policed.
You have a citizens oversight board has nothing to do.
The police don't get to investigate themselves.
Yeah, isn't that the best?
Yeah.
We've investigated ourselves and we found that everything's fine here.
Turns out we've done nothing wrong.
You know, Joy Ann Reid investigated herself.
Turned out it was Russians who hacked a time traveled and hacked her blog.
She investigated herself.
So Joe Biden announced that we're pulling out of Afghanistan on September 11th, 2021 of this year.
And immediately I was skeptical.
People said, do you think he's going to pull out?
And I said, no.
Everyone else reported it that he's pulling out.
I didn't see anybody else report it that they were.
Did you see anybody else report it that way, Ron, that Joe Biden, they were skeptical of Joe Biden pulling out?
I hope so.
I hope a lot of people did.
I didn't see it, but I did see this.
There is another place, Gray Zone.
This is written by Jeremy Kuzmarov.
Kuzmarov, I think that's how you say it.
Kuzmarov, yes.
Biden isn't ending the Afghanistan war.
He's privatizing it.
Special forces, Pentagon contractors, intelligence operatives, they're all going to remain.
Because guess what?
There's 18,000 contractors, mercenaries, guys we hired to go fight a war for us.
Not enlisted, not drafted, guys that we just like a job.
They came, filled out an application, we gave them money to go kill people.
Over 18,000 Pentagon contractors remain in Afghanistan, while official troop numbers, 2,500.
So there's only 2,500 official troops, but there's 18,000 mercenaries that were paying there.
And I don't know how much they paid a year.
I'm going to guess they make around $150,000 a year each, probably more.
I'm guessing.
Joe Biden will withdraw the smaller group of soldiers.
So Joe Biden's going to withdraw this, and he's going to leave this.
He's going to get rid of 2,500 while leaving the 1,800.
And that's going to be made up of U.S. special forces, mercenaries, and intelligence operatives privatizing and downscaling the war, but not ending it.
Isn't that awesome?
Biden's claim is that he's ending the forever war.
That's misleading.
According to the New York Times, the United States would remain after the formal departure of the U.S. troops with a shadowy combination of clandestine special operation forces, Pentagon contractors, and covert intelligence operators.
And, you know, sorry we couldn't get you the full $2,000 payment, but we just can't afford it.
So it's not ending.
How many of those 18,000 people do you think he's going to keep there?
17,500?
15,500?
Who knows?
We're not getting out of Afghanistan.
And all it's going to take is for one more big attack that kills some Americans, and we're going to have to send some more troops back in there.
Right?
Their mission will be to find and attack dangerous al-Qaeda or Islamic state threats.
Current and former American officials said.
So their mission, the people have said they're supposed to look for al-Qaeda or Islamic state.
There's no al-Qaeda anymore.
And in fact, a week after we had invaded Afghanistan, there was no al-Qaeda.
There was like eight guys left.
The Times further reported that the United States maintains a constellation of air bases in the Persian Gulf region as well as in Jordan and a major air headquarters in Qatar, which could provide a launching pad for long-range bombers or armed drone missions into Afghanistan.
So we got a lot of bases.
The meaninglessness of President Biden's announcement becomes apparent when we consider that the Pentagon employs more than seven contractors for every serviceman or woman in Afghanistan, an increase from one contractor for every serviceman or woman a decade ago.
These totals reflect the U.S. government's strategy of outsourcing war to the benefit of private mercenary corporations and as a means of distancing the war from the public and averting dissent, since relatively few Americans are directly impacted by it.
This is correct.
This is all true.
One of the biggest mercenary companies is DyneCorp, Dyne Corp International of Falls Church, Virginia, which in 2019 received over $7 billion in government contracts to train the Afghan army and manage military bases in Afghanistan.
Wow, $7 billion.
A lot of Christmas bonuses, huh?
Can you just imagine for a second?
And I know this is, you know, dare to dream, right?
But imagine for a second that half of these resources, these contractors and all this, half, just half, went to doing something about climate change or ending poverty or building infrastructure.
I mean, just imagine.
Just imagine.
It's unreal.
And from 2002 to 2013, Deincorp received 69% of all State Department funding.
Wow.
Forbes magazine called it the big winners of the Iraq and Afghan wars, the losers being everyone else.
Wow.
So of all the State Department funding from 2002 to 2013, seven out of $10 went to Deincorp.
Wow.
Afghanistan was valued at the time of the invasion as a key location for an oil pipeline that would transport Central Asian oil to the Indian Ocean while bypassing Russia.
We reported on this.
There it is.
There's the pipeline they want.
There you go.
Uncle Sam, Uncle Sam also covets Afghans' mineral wealth.
A 2007 United States geological survey discovered nearly a trillion dollars in mineral deposits, including huge veins of iron, copper, cobalt, gold, and critical industrial metals like lithium, which is used to manufacture the batteries for laptops and cell phones.
And Teslas.
An internal Pentagon memo stated that Afghanistan could become the Saudi Arabia of lithium.
Oh, geez.
If you want to know why we're still there, that's going to be one of the reasons.
Concerns mount that the U.S. withdraws.
So here's how they said, so whenever someone wants to withdraw troops from Afghanistan, CNN starts running stories like this.
And MSNBC and the Young Turks says concerns mount that the U.S. withdrawal from Afghanistan could risk progress on women's rights.
Oh, we have to stay at war for women's rights, Rod.
We have to keep killing women to help them gain their rights.
Joe Biden to rich donors, nothing will fundamentally change if he's elected.
And that's exactly right.
It's the only campaign promise he's kept so far.
I'm guessing I will believe we are going to leave Afghanistan when we leave Afghanistan and not a moment before.
I'm never going to fucking believe anything Joe Biden says about with troop withdrawal.
And if you do, you're a sucker.
You're a chump.
This country is run by a corrupt cabal of billionaires and their tools, and Joe Biden's one of them.
Nancy Pelosi, Chuck Schumer, Mitch McConnell, Donald Turk, they're all tools of this establishment.
Trump tried to pull out of Afghanistan, and they immediately made up the bogus bounty story.
Immediately.
Trump tried to get us out of Afghanistan, and they immediately made up the bounty story so he couldn't do it.
And then they passed a law that kept him from doing it.
That was bipartisan.
So this idea that Joe Biden wants to take us out of Afghanistan and people are reporting that as a fact.
Shame on you.
Shame on you.
Anything else you want to say about this, Rod?
Well, I saw someone else, somebody tweeted this, and I wish I could give credit right away, but I'm not sure where I saw it first.
But they said Joe Biden's whole thing is basically: hey, I'm going to be president to fix all the problems I helped cause.
And that goes beyond Joe Biden even.
That is our system.
That is our system in a nutshell.
Just this cycle of people pretending to fix problems that they helped cause that they caused at the behest of Wall Street that they're not actually fixing also at the behest of Wall Street.
Well said.
Hey, this is Jimmy.
Who's this?
Jimmy, this is Chuck Schumer.
Oh, hi, Senator Schumer.
How are you?
Jimmy, on the heels of yesterday's verdict in the Derek Chauvin trial, I can confidently say that I am elated and full of hope for the future.
Yeah, okay, okay, yeah.
I'm glad they didn't acquit him, but I doubt this verdict's really going to change anything substantially in the country, Chuck.
Yes, that is exactly what I'm elated about.
Ha ha ha ha ha.
Thank you.
Oh, zing.
Fastball down the middle, and I didn't see it coming.
I see.
So what do you have to say about Nancy Pelosi's bizarre comments from yesterday when she said that George Floyd sacrificed himself for the civil rights movement?
Well, Nancy Pelosi is an absolute queen, and you do not criticize a queen.
Which, believe it or not, is language I find appropriate when discussing American government.
Yeah.
But we Democrats must provide a united front to the public.
So, yes, George Floyd made the ultimate sacrifice, let's say.
He chose to be publicly executed while face down on the pavement, begging for his life so that young African-American children can grow up safely and vote Democrat.
George Floyd, thank you for your service.
That's just disgusting.
Thank you, Jimmy.
And you can bet your bippy that the Democratic caucus will be doing another ham-fisted ceremony where we kneel wearing exquisite African vestments.
Maybe this time we'll even do that Wakanda forever hand gesture that we learned about from that movie.
I think that would be meaningful.
So this is all you have, empty gestures, literally.
Excuse me, no.
This verdict is just the beginning.
We are going to pass legislation banning the chokehold.
Jeez.
Oh, you mean that thing that shouldn't even exist in the first place?
I guess that's progress.
It sure is.
But Senator Schumer, cops are going to cop.
If you ban the chokehold, they're just going to tase and shoot you more.
Why don't you take guns away from the municipal police departments?
What, and be like England?
Young man, we fought a revolution, so we wouldn't be like England.
And I assure you, Nancy Pelosi, our queen, agrees.
Hey, I'm just saying, if you want to reform the police, you have to actually reform the police.
But, Jimmy, this is the George Floyd police reform bill.
George Floyd was Choked, not shot.
If you want to stop police from indiscriminately shooting people, you would need a Breonna Taylor police reform bill.
Okay, and when will that be proposed, Chuck?
I'm not aware of any such legislation currently in the pipeline.
Why not?
Incremental change, Jimmy.
First, we deal with choking.
Then, after that is passed, then and only then do we create the illusion that we're going to do something about guns.
Yeah, yes.
Oh, like that.
This guess is too spot on.
As long as cops have guns, we're always going to have extrajudicial killings.
Jimmy, let's be real.
Can we live in reality for just a moment?
We live in a world of property crimes.
Properties have to be protected.
Jimmy, if cops were completely unarmed, who's going to protect your mansions?
Mansions?
I don't have any mansions, Senator Schumer.
What?
No mansions.
Oh, you've got to get on that.
Okay, sure thing.
Sure thing.
Look, we are the Democrats.
We are the party of all Americans at every rung of the socioeconomic ladder.
So we need to balance the needs of both poor people, largely of color, who need to not be gunned down in the streets, and the wealthy who need their wealth protected by a phalanx of unaccountable armed paramilitary goons.
There is a compromise there, and we will reach it.
And who's going to be in charge of finding this compromise, Chuck?
Primarily the mansion people.
Historically, we found that that just sort of works out best for everyone.
Well, thanks for once again exposing the Democratic Party for what it really is, I guess.
Hey, now, don't resist the resistance.
Why do you keep saying that?
Trump isn't even in office anymore.
Who the hell are you resisting, Chuck?
Jimmy.
Come on.
Let's not pretend that really ever meant anything at all.
Yeah, I know.
Okay.
Bye, Senator Schumer.
Mansions.
I mean, bye.
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We got Dr. Fauci.
Dr. Fauci, as you know, he told people, he lied to people.
He said, don't wear a mask.
It doesn't help you.
In fact, he went even further and said it could be detrimental.
He knew he was lying when he said that.
And the reason why he lied when he said that, he then said, was because we were afraid that people would go out and get masks and there wouldn't be enough masks for our hospital workers.
So that's why I lied and said don't wear masks.
That guy's not canceled.
He didn't get kicked out of his job.
That guy didn't get censored from YouTube.
He didn't get kicked off Twitter.
He lied about wearing masks.
And here is Mehdi Hassan.
He's going to confront him about it.
Watch this.
Mehdi Hassan either watches this show or I'm sure his producers do.
Here we go.
Let me ask you this one other question about the past because you said we need to move forward.
I agree with you.
And one of the problems we have now is we have a lot of people, bad faith people, saying we don't trust Anthony Fauci.
We don't trust Joe Biden.
We don't trust the scientists.
But there are others who, in good faith, just genuinely over the last year.
And I think you've recognized this in the past about the mixed messaging and some of the, you know, some of the different advice they've gotten on this very thorny disease.
I want to play a clip of you speaking to 60 Minutes just over a year ago.
Have a listen.
Right now in the United States, people should not be walking around with masks.
You're sure of it because people are listening really closely to this.
Right now, people should not be worried.
There's no reason to be walking around with a mask.
So he's not getting it wrong.
He's not misinterpreting data.
He's not operating off of bad information.
He knows exactly what he's saying is untrue.
And he's lying to you.
And that's going to probably kill some people.
So a lot of people probably got killed because they didn't wear a mask because Fauci told him that it wasn't going to help them.
There's nothing more insidious or more immoral than a doctor telling you on purpose bad information that could kill you.
And that's what Dr. Fauci's doing right here.
And the 60 Minutes guy says, are you sure about this?
Because everybody's watching you.
And watch what he says.
When you're in the middle of an outbreak, wearing a mask might make people feel a little bit better, and it might even block a droplet.
But it's not providing the perfect protection that people think that it is.
And often there are unintended consequences.
People keep fiddling with the mask and they keep touching their face.
And can you get some schmutz sort of staying inside there?
Of course, of course.
But when you think about it, you know, You get the valklenkda, you kiss it, the pepi at the caca, you get the schmudge.
So there he is.
By the way, again, that's blatant lying.
That's what's how is that?
That's horrible.
Because when Trump would lie about the vaccine, it was less horrible because nobody trusted him.
Everyone trusts this guy.
He's a doctor.
Given you acknowledged in that clip in March 2020 that Asian countries were masking up at the time, saying we shouldn't mask up as well was a mistake, wasn't it?
A huge mistake at the time, not just in hindsight.
No, you know, I keep seeing that clip getting played over and over again.
So if you could give me 15 seconds, I'll go right back at you with this.
Okay.
At the time, three things were going on.
We were told very clearly at the coronavirus task force, including by the Surgeon General, who's a good person all the way, that there was a clear shortage of masks.
And if we went around recommending masks to health care providers who were putting themselves in harm's way.
So he's admitting that we couldn't tell people to go wear masks and protect themselves because our health care workers needed those masks.
So we told people masks didn't help.
And that was a lie.
And he's acting like it's okay.
Look, our healthcare workers needed the masks.
So we lied to the American public.
What should they have done?
Well, let me play the rest of it and I'll tell you what they should have did.
Every single day would not have enough.
Point number one.
So point number two.
Just so you hear this, I'm going to give you a running start.
Told very clearly at the coronavirus task force, including by the Surgeon General, who's a good person all the way, that there was a clear shortage of masks.
And if we went around recommending masks, the health care providers who were putting themselves in harm's way every single day would not have enough point number one that's why they did it that's it that's why he lied he put he decided that you could get sick and die but a health care provider couldn't i'm all for making sure health care providers have masks you know how you do
you declare an emergency and you make the country make enough fucking masks.
We're the richest country the face of the earth has ever seen.
We can make enough masks.
That's what you do.
You declare an emergency and you tell everybody, make your own mask.
And the medical grade masks we're going to give to the healthcare workers.
Everyone else can wear a mask.
Make your own mask.
That's what they should have been doing.
They didn't do that.
What did he do instead?
He decided to lie to you so you thought masks didn't work and so you went out and got sick and died.
Why?
Because your life isn't as important as some other people's lives and they're going to lie to you.
No matter what the reason, a health official on purpose lying about a life or death issue as a matter of policy, that guy should be in jail.
Not only should that guy be fired and canceled, he should be in jail because people died because of that.
Here's his other two stupid things he says.
Point number two, there was no evidence at the time that masks outside of the setting of the hospital worked.
There were no data to show that.
Number three, we did not know that at least 50% of the infections were being...
How could, Ron, how could that possibly be?
That there was no data?
All of Asia is wearing a mask, but there's no data on wearing masks and how they could stop it?
Are you crazy?
Of course there's data.
Yeah, I mean, we've been studying and we being, you know, science all over the world has been studying what cloth covering coverings do in terms of droplets for a very, very long time now.
Long time.
That's why doctors wear masks, dummy.
Because we've studied it.
And asymptomatically, namely by people that had no symptoms.
That's the reason why at that time, we, I and others, made that statement.
Fast forward a month or two after, A, it became clear there was no shortage of masks.
In fact...
Oh, so again, that's the real reason.
There was shortage.
It had nothing to do with, there's no data.
It was that you guys were afraid there was not going to be enough masks.
And then as soon as there were enough masks, all of a sudden we got data.
And if you don't wear a mask, you're a bad person.
fourth, mask works.
B, we started to see rather substantial data that masks outside of the setting of the hospital work to prevent infection and to prevent you from infecting somebody else.
And three, we found out to our horror that 50% or more of the infections were transmitted by people who did not know they were infected.
That's the reason why I changed.
So, wait, let me just finish.
No, that's not the reason why you changed, you liar.
The reason why you changed is the first thing.
The masks that you thought weren't going to be enough.
You thought we weren't going to have enough masks.
So you told people, don't wear masks, even though I know you should.
And you're going to get sick and die.
Don't worry about it.
Because you showed the clip.
First of all, if something is static and you change your mind about it, you're flip-flopping.
If something changes, the data change, and you change with the data and rely on the data, The data didn't change.
You're not flip-flopping.
Everyone knows masks work.
Masks have always worked.
You're a liar.
The data, the only data that changes, you guys figured out there was enough masks to go around, so you then told people to wear masks.
Mehdi Hassan, thanks for watching our show and asking him that question.
I'm sorry you didn't ask a follow-up question.
By the way, Mehdi Hassan, who has me blocked over Syria because he was wrong about Syria and Cy Hirsch.
This guy, Mehdi Hassan, takes a shot at Seymour Hirsch.
This fucking guy.
This piece of it.
And that I bust his balls for it, so he blocks me now on Twitter because I told him the truth about Syria he didn't want to hear.
He's very pro-war, Mehdi Hassan.
I wish I had more time to dig into this, he said.
Oh, I wish you did too, Mehdi.
Just too bad you don't have time on your own fucking show to ask a question you want to ask.
I wish I had more time to dig into this.
He's right.
Lack of medical-grade masks for frontline workers and lack of hard evidence, but why rule out any masks, even cloth so forcefully?
Why ignore Asian countries'use of the precautionary principle and experience with SARS?
So there are, there's, so you're telling me, Mehdi, there's no hard medical evidence that masks help with SARS?
That can't possibly be true.
So, and here, here he goes.
Here he is.
So you shouldn't discount that.
Now, getting back to your first question, which was, what about a month or so or two or three ago?
So by the way, all that other stuff up, he just made up.
Again, here's the real reason.
Here, I'm going to play it to, here's the real reason.
When people were saying, you don't really need to wear a mask.
Well, the reason for that is that we were concerned, the public health community, and many people were saying this, were concerned that it was at a time when personal protective equipment, including the N95 masks and the surgical masks, were in very short supply.
And we wanted to make sure that the people, namely the healthcare workers, who were brave enough to put themselves in a harm way to take care of people who you know were infected with the coronavirus and the danger of them getting infected, we did not want them to be without the equipment that they needed.
So there was not enthusiasm about going out and everybody buying a mask or getting a mask.
We were afraid that that would deter away from the people who really needed it.
now we have masks.
We know.
So, where's point two?
Where's point three?
Where's point three?
None of that was the, is there, all that stuff he just said to Mehdi was made up after people realized this was a bullshit reason.
So then he had to make up
other stuff this is the real reason all those other things may exist they found out about asymptomatic carriers or whatever that might have actually happened that had nothing to do with his decision this is the real reason he's why wouldn't he tell that all why wouldn't he say all that other shit when he was asked he he was asked he said this and he got unbelievable pushback from me on this i'm i guess i'm hopefully other people.
And now he came up with another bullshit lie that you don't need an N95 if you're a person, ordinary person in the street.
We also know that simple cloth coverings that many people have can work as well as a mask in many cases.
So, right now, unequivocally, the recommendation is when you're out there, particularly if you're in a situation where there's active infection, keep the distance physically and wear a mask.
So, although there appears to be some contradiction of you were saying this then, and why are you saying this now?
Actually, the circumstances have been changed.
Did not change.
Circumstances did not change.
You guys just figured out you had enough masks for the hospital workers.
That's what happened.
Here's another thing he lied about.
Again, didn't get it wrong.
Didn't make a mistake.
He intentionally misled you for months about how much herd immunity do we need.
Scientists initially estimated that 60 to 70 percent of the population needed to acquire resistance to the coronavirus to banish it.
Now, Dr. Anthony Fauci and others are quietly shifting that number upward.
So, when he first started talking about how many we're going to need 60% of the people to have immunity for us to have herd immunity or resistance, in a telephone interview, Dr. Fauci acknowledged that he had slowly but deliberately been moving the goalposts.
And here he is asked about that.
Discussion like we're having now, Dana, to encourage people to get to that goal of 70 to 85 percent of the people vaccinated.
70 to 85 percent.
He started out by saying 60.
Now he's saying up to 85 percent need to be let's talk about some of the solutions in terms of coronavirus.
You acknowledged to the New York Times that you've moved the goalposts in terms of what it would take to reach so-called herd immunity in the United States.
Here's what you said: you said when poll said about, when polls said only about half of all Americans would take a vaccine, I was saying herd immunity would take 70 to 75 percent.
Then, when newer surveys said 60 percent or more would take it, I thought I can nudge this up a bit.
So, I went to 80, 85.
And then you go on to say that it may be as high as 90 percent.
So, my question is: why weren't you straight with the American people about this to begin with?
No, actually, Dana, I don't think it can be interpreted as being straight or not.
We have to realize that we have to be humble and realize what we don't know.
These are pure estimates.
And the calculations that I made, 70, 75%, it's a range.
The range is going to be somewhere between 70 and 85 percent.
The reason I first started saying 70, 75, I brought it up to 85.
That's not a big leap to go from 75 to 85.
It was really based on calculations and pure extrapolations from measles.
Measles is about 98% effective vaccine.
The COVID-19 vaccine is about 94, 95%.
When you get below 90% of the population vaccinated with measles, you start seeing a breakthrough against the herd immunity.
People starting to get infected like we saw in the upper New York State and in New York City with the Orthodox Jewish group when we had measles outbreak.
So, I made a calculation that COVID-19, SARS-CoV-2, is not as nearly as transmissible as measles.
Measles is the most transmissible infection you can imagine.
So, I would imagine that you would need something a little bit less than the 90%.
That's where I got to the 85.
But I think we all have to be honest and humble.
Nobody really knows for sure, but I think 70 to 85 percent for herd immunity for COVID-19 is a reasonable estimate.
And in fact, most of my epidemiology colleagues agree with me.
Yeah, of course.
Nothing is exact.
I guess my question was about polling.
It seemed in that quote to suggest that you were basing your recommendation on polling and what people could accept.
Is that not what you meant?
No, I mean, it's a bit of that.
I want to encourage the people of the United States and globally to get vaccinated because as many as we possibly, yes.
No, I mean, yes, yes, yes.
Is that not what you meant?
That thing you said when you said that now that the polling indicates, I can probably bump that number up because more people are that is that that's what you meant, right?
You mean what you said and what's clear what you said?
That's what you meant.
No, I mean, yeah, this fucking guy is the biggest liar in the world, and he gets away with it because he wasn't Trump.
Possibly get vaccinated will get closer to herd immunity.
So, the bottom line is it's a guesstimate.
I gave a range, and I use any discussion like we're having now, Dana, to encourage people to get to that goal of 70 to 85 percent of the people vaccinated.
That's where we really want to be.
Okay, and just to put a button on it, no sugarcoating.
Um, you're saying 75 to 80 percent is the goal in your view as of now, based on what you know when it comes to herd immunity, not 90 percent.
Not 90.
Right, right, right.
Okay.
Thank you because he started out saying 60, ended up saying 90, and now she's like, Now you're now you're saying 75 to 80.
Right, not 90.
Right.
Okay.
You're going to make if the polls change, you're going to change your answer on the science?
Probably.
Probably.
Ron, any, I just can't wait to see.
You know, Pacino is going to play him in the movie.
That's going to be fun.
Are you serious?
No.
Is that a real thing?
No, I'm guessing.
Oh, I thought that was like a thing they're already playing.
No, that's me guessing.
It's very frustrating because it's like you listen to this guy and you're just like, dude, you're not giving a cake recipe.
We're in a freaking pandemic.
This is a little more serious.
It's like, you know, you could put in a cup of sugar or a cup and a half.
Like, no, give us, why didn't you just say the first time?
And why not aim high?
Why not say, hey, based on comparing it to measles, we don't know for sure, but we should shoot for 75 to 90%.
Why did you just say that the first time?
Why didn't you just say make your own mess?
That's what most people did anyway.
And it's like, you know, it is a lonely place.
And I know I don't need to tell you this, but it's a lonely place when you're criticizing this guy from the left because he gets lionized and treated like this deity just because, you know, the Trump administration was a total circus during the whole pandemic, which they were.
That's totally true.
But that doesn't mean that it can't also be true that Fauci isn't so great either.
Both of those things can't be true.
I know that we all grew up on comic books, but there is a reality where there really are no good guys.
And this guy can't resist genuflecting at the altar of capitalism.
And that's a freaking problem.
This guy, when he was asked about the price caps for vaccines, he wasn't for it.
And this is another guy.
And I know he's not directly a policy guy.
I know that.
But still, you know, given his position and the amount of influence he had, he could very easily say, you know what?
You know what would make my job a lot easier if we weren't behind the rest of the industrialized world by decades when it comes to healthcare.
But he never does that.
In fact, when he's asked about universal health care, I don't know if you've ever seen some of his videos on that, but when he's asked about universal health care, he sounds as if someone asked him if he would like a new car.
Like, oh, that'd be neat.
Yeah, that'd be cool.
What a thing if we could have that.
Meanwhile, a third of all the people, it's estimated that a third of all the people who died from COVID and COVID-related deaths would still be here if we had universal health care.
And Anthony Fauci, because he genuflects at the altar of capitalism, which is probably required to keep his job in a place like the United States.
And because he does that, he won't come out and say that.
So, yes, he is a very frustrated figure at this position.
I got called in when I reported on him lying about the masks the first time.
I had to have a meeting with the GM and the program director of KPFK, which is where our show used to air for 10 years or over.
Public radio.
Pacifica public.
Pacifica radio, right?
Which I was the, it was created, Pacifica Radio created to combat the Cold War, and then KPFK turned into a bunch of McCarthy smearing morons.
It's just unbelievable what happened.
I was, again, one of the lone voices over there.
And so I got called in because I was reporting this accurately that Fauci's lying about Max Max Max's Max's.
No, masks.
Now I sound like Joe Biden.
I sound like Joe Biden.
I got called into ahead of me.
They're like, hey, we got what are you doing?
I go.
I go.
I know you guys aren't really up on the news, but that's an accurate fucking news report.
I did.
Do you have a problem with the facts?
If you have a problem with the facts, let me know.
If not, I'm hanging up and I hung up.
And my show was, we soon left KPFK thereafter.
That guy, the program director got fired, and then the GM left.
Did the GM go to the next one?
The GM went right to KCRW.
No problem.
He went from KPFK to KCRW with no problem.
There's supposed to be a big problem.
So if you're at KPFK, you're supposed to be the leftiest of the lefty lefties.
But that's not what it is anymore.
Just because you're a hippie doesn't mean you can't be a McCarthy smearing neocon.
Anyway, that's that.
That's sad, sad, sad, sad.
Sad, sad.
So yeah, that's happened to me because I reported this accurately.
Even CNN is pushing back against this guy now.
Even CNN.
That's how bad the Fauci guy is.
So there you go.
Yeah, I would get flacked no matter where I tell the truth.
You're going to get flack.
I got flack at the Young Turks for telling the truth about Syria.
I got flack at the Young Turks for telling the truth about Julian Assange when they were smearing him.
I got flack at the Young Turks when I was telling the truth about Russia Gate and Bill Binney and the servers and the election interference.
I got flack from the Young Turks.
They turned their back on me for doing good work while they were McCarthy smearing people.
And I got flack also at the KPFK for doing good work on Fauci.
You're going to get flack if you do good work.
That's just what, and in journalism, if you don't want to take flack, go work for the intercept and fucking do puff pieces for Chuck Schumer.
Nothing's going to happen.
Wow, President Joe Biden is calling.
Hello.
Hey, man, it's my first 89 days, man.
My first 89 days.
Jesus, Jesus.
Look at all this shit I've done and stuff.
Take my word for it.
Big fucking deal.
Fuck.
Actually, Joe, aren't you supposed to mark your first 100 days as some sort of benchmark of achievement and not 89 days?
Now, get up off it, man.
Here's the deal.
On my word as a Biden, I promise you 89 days on day one, not 100 days.
And now we've done so much, man.
So much.
Let's not stop now.
We're almost there.
Oh, waiter.
Hey, okay.
What have you done in your first 89 days, Joe?
My dad had an expression.
Son, get your finger out of that woodchuck.
And we're doing that.
We're that doing and folks, you got to think about it.
Franklin Milano Roosevelt only passed 15 major pages of legislation and 76 laws during his first 100 days.
You could eat my dust, gumlegs.
That's pretty offensive, Joe.
Stop it.
I'm Joe.
I'm known for the things I say with my mouth.
You don't like it, then maybe you ain't somebody.
Something else I said.
Take your pick.
There's a lot of them.
Have you seen the waiter?
But you've done nothing in comparison to FDR's first 100 days, Joe.
Stop it.
You can't compare me to him, man.
He had so many advantages that allowed him to take swift action.
Like a horrible economy in a national emergency.
Think what we could achieve if half the country was poor and we had some sort of pandemic or something.
You gotta be patient.
Tax cuts don't come in a day.
Takes two, maybe three day stops.
It's because I'm unpredictable.
You go left, I go right.
You go right, I go right.
Come on, man.
What else are you doing besides playing golf?
We're pulling out of Africanistan.
I promise on the Biden word of the Bidens.
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