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Get ready for an outstanding entertainment program.
The Jimmy Dore Show.
I have on the line Johnny Tech, a consultant with New Media Solutions.
Johnny Tech, it's been a while.
How are you, buddy?
Excellent.
Very good.
Thank you for asking.
I believe it was 2013 last time we spoke.
Yeah, you were explaining to me that it was a good thing that people like me would not be able to make money from creating content on the internet.
Exactly.
And I think things have played out precisely as I had predicted, meaning that the vast majority of internet users have benefited tremendously from that model.
Yeah, except me.
So what are your thoughts about the FCC decision regarding net neutrality?
Jimmy, I see this as an unqualified good, meaning that this will ultimately be a good thing for the internet, for internet users, and the economy that is supported by the internet.
How so?
Well, if you talk to a lot of people, you get the sense that this decision and these changes are ultimately inevitable and unavoidable.
Like, it's simply going to happen.
So the fact that the SEC went ahead and took these steps is a very progressive move on their part, honestly.
And I think GPI is on the side of angels with this one.
I really do.
All right, so let me get this straight, Johnny.
The repeal of net neutrality is a good idea because it was going to happen anyway.
Exactly.
Okay, Johnny Tech.
In no other realm of life is that a thought anyone would have.
Well, that is possibly true, but internet culture is different in that regard for sure because progress is the ultimate moral directive.
Short-term predictive models are generated about where technology seems to be going and whether or not that trajectory appears to be quote-unquote a good idea.
Closing that development gap becomes the primary mission.
The fact that technological progress is made is, in fact, the defeat of evil.
I don't understand.
Well, take, for example, the recent acquisition of Fox by Disney.
A lot of people will bemoan this or complaining about it, but I think it's a good thing because inevitably in the future, basically every major movie is going to be like Wolverine, Donald Duck, and Sherlock Holmes fighting bad guys together.
Is that a good thing?
Who knows?
But it is coming.
So the progressive moral thing for the major corporations to do is to erase the copyright boundaries around those intellectual properties so that these movies can be made and made without actual actors.
Okay.
Getting back to net neutrality.
How would the erasure of net neutrality affect the average internet user?
Honestly, not at all.
Not at all.
Well, the major telecom corporations have avowed to the public that they are not going to make the internet more expensive or more difficult for certain people or websites or whatever.
And we should trust them?
Absolutely.
Why?
Because they're the good guys.
They're the good guys?
Essentially, yes.
They are.
The websites are the good guys.
The users are the good guys.
Everybody's a good guy and everybody wins.
A more connected world.
But okay, hypothetically speaking.
Oh, here we go.
Hypothetically speaking, think about how the vast majority of consumers only shop at Walmart, Home Depot, Target, major box stores like that.
Now, would it make sense that the roads that lead to those stores be better paved and maintained than the roads that lead to the less successful stores?
That's all this is.
Maybe the people who go to the loser stores should pay more to have their roads maintained.
Or if they choose not to do that, just go to Walmart like everybody else.
That's all this is.
It's about providing choices.
So as far as the internet goes, for example, news, most people get their news from the websites of the cable channels, CNN, Fox, et cetera.
Shouldn't those websites be favored?
Over other news sources, like the one you're talking to right now?
Yes.
No!
See, I disagree, actually.
It may be an unpopular opinion now, but once it gets accepted as the status quo, people won't even really think about it anymore.
Again, it's about choice.
People can choose to pay less or go to CNN.com or usatoday.com, or they can pay more to visit your website.
And you have the choice to alter your content to be part of a more favored algorithm.
Everyone will have choices here that they never had before.
That's why this is ultimately a good thing.
You're literally championing the suppression of free speech and freedom of the press.
This is what you're doing, Mr. Tech.
Actually, I don't see it that way.
How?
How do you not see it that way?
Making it harder for people to get news from non-corporate news sources?
Are you kidding me?
Also, are you people just hell-bent on making it hard for me to make a living?
Well, for example, you can offset your decrease in income by using favored internet sites.
It all balances out.
We're basically looking out the barrel of a low-income, high-revenue economy driven by consumer credit.
There are choices in that model for the individual consumer, but basically that's what we're looking at.
And I think that's ultimately a good thing.
You people are scum.
You know that?
Now I remember why I haven't had you on the show for four years.
At least these alt-right people wear their swastikas on their sleeves.
Jimmy, that's a good point, and I'd like to discuss that further.
That's interesting, but I do have to go.
My private jet is taking off, and we're about to head to Vegas for a meeting with some VC gentlemen.
Very exciting things are afoot in the world of tech, my friend.
I hope you crash.
Excuse me, does this plane have free Wi-Fi?
Hi, I'm a hot water right now!
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Welcome to this week's Jimmy Door show.
Hey, we got a lot of great stuff coming up for you.
Let's get to the jokes before we get to the jokes, shall we?
I look forward to the Democrats blaming the FCC's net neutrality repeal on Susan Sarandon in 3, 2, 1.
You know, I'm so pissed about the FCC repealing net neutrality that I just might post another photo of my lunch.
Boy, I got to tell you, I don't know about you, but it is very encouraging that the Democrats can barely beat a person like Roy Moore.
Am I right?
Hey, breaking.
Roy Moore refuses to leave Senate race.
Can't find his horse.
Hey, it looks like the Democrats finally do have a platform.
It goes like this.
We can barely beat a racist child molester.
Vote for us.
But let's remember, folks, it's a tough time.
Half the country's poor are low income.
They just packed the tax bill that's going to break the back of the poor and the middle class.
And we're just ramping up more war.
But just remember, people always come together during times of great stress and then start eating each other.
Hey, did you hear Donald Trump went and spoke at the opening of a civil rights museum this week?
Did you hear about that?
You know, Donald Trump speaking at the opening of a civil rights museum, that's like Donald Trump speaking at the opening of a civil rights museum.
Am I right?
Hey, what's coming up on today's show?
We're going to talk with Bill Binney.
I don't know if you know who Bill Binney is, but he's the smartest guy who ever worked for the NSA.
He basically invented modern-day metadata analysis, and he's a whistleblower inside the NSA.
He's talked about their corruption.
He talked about how we could have stopped 9-11, and we didn't on purpose, and because we used an inferior system, and he warned them about it.
Bus, he's here.
He also debunked the WND story that they were pushing.
So we went into Iraq.
He debunked that.
He's part of VIPS, Veterans Intelligence Professionals for Sanity, and he's here to debunk this red scare that's been being pushed by the left since the election to cover for their horrible failures.
He's here to talk about it in ways that are very clear, and he uses evidence.
That's Bill Binney, NSA whistleblower.
He was also the subject of a documentary that Oliver Stone, an executive produced called The Good American.
That's how important this guy is to national security.
They made a documentary about him.
And of course, he's been persecuted for telling the truth.
He's here today.
Bill Binney will be on today's show.
Also, Charles Barkley lays a smackdown on the Democratic Party after the Alabama narrow win over Roy Moore.
What does he say about the Democratic Party?
The answer just may surprise you, or will it?
Plus, net neutrality went away or it did it.
And what can we do to fight back?
We've got a great segment on that coming up.
Plus, we have phone calls today from Liam Neeson, Barack Obama, Haley Barber, and Johnny Tech.
Plus, a lot lot more.
That's today on the Jimmy Dore Show.
Welcome to our interview with NSA whistleblower William Binney.
If you know anything about William Binney, you know that he is probably the smartest guy who ever worked for the NSA and invented the greatest metadata gathering tool ever known as Thin Thread.
He's also blown the whistle on corruption inside of the NSA.
And he's a member of VIPS, Veterans Intelligence Professionals for Sanity, who debunked the WMD's lie that the government was feeding us.
Well, he's here to debunk another big lie that the whole nation's been feeding us.
Okay, now let's get back to the technical aspect of the alleged Russian hack of the DNC servers.
You delineate, just like you said, that if someone did that, the packets would be out there.
They would be reassembled at the other end, and the NSA would be able to show you that where those packets ended up.
That's what you're saying.
Yep.
And if you look.
Go ahead.
Go ahead.
But what you're saying is that they didn't do that, which means they don't have that evidence, which probably means that didn't happen, because if it did happen, they would have that evidence, correct?
That's correct.
And if you looked at the ICI, the intelligence community assessment, which is really done by selected analysts from NSA, CIA, and FBI, selected ones, not the general people doing the job.
Okay.
And they came out and they put out a little over a 13-page paper talking about they have high confidence it was the Russians that did it.
Yes.
Or that's their judgment.
Okay.
They said their judgment, they have high confidence that the Russians did it.
And then on the bottom of page 13 of that same report, it says, here's how you begin to understand the word judgment.
Judgment is not intended to mean that we have evidence to prove something to be a fact.
Okay?
So in essence, they denied their entire previous report pages.
They've made it say this is not necessarily factual.
That's fundamentally what it said.
Yeah, yeah.
Well, then we had Gusepher II, right?
And this guy put out stuff that said it was a hack of the DNC, and they were alleging that the Russians did it.
Well, and he posted the data.
So that meant we had something to technically analyze.
So we said, okay, if this is a hack, let's go look at it and see what we can figure out about that data.
So we had the data, right?
It was spread out over a 14-minute period, and it gave a certain amount of transmission at the front, a little bit at the back end.
But it's all time stamps so that at the end of files, the files are all time stamped, and you could see the time stamping and therefore calculate the transfer rate over time, which meant that, and we got the rate we got was the highest rate we had was 49.1 megabytes per second, not bits, bytes per second.
Now, we knew that that was not, there wasn't any way that that could go across the internet.
You can't send that massive amount of data at that rate across the internet.
It just won't go.
So we, and we tried it.
We have tried to do it.
We said we put data out there and tried to take it across the Atlantic to different places in Europe, Amsterdam, Albania, Belgrade, and the UK.
The fastest we got was 12 megabytes per second.
That was between a data center in New Jersey and a data center in the UK.
That was the fastest we could get.
And in Albania and going further east, the capacity went down.
So we had much less capability further east, you went toward Russia.
So we said that this from testing, it wouldn't work.
So the download rate, though, was a perfect match for a USB stick download from a device, from a computer, because that would fit right into that.
So what we said, and the fact that NSA didn't say anything about it, we said this is a local download, wherever local is.
We couldn't even prove it was the DNC.
But we found some other evidence that was even much more interesting.
We found data from Gucifer II that was put out and dated the 1st of September of 2016.
And if you looked at that and ignored everything except the minute, the hour minute, the minute, second, and millisecond of the time stamps, those two dates from 5 July and 1 September merge into one continuous stream of data.
So the random probability that happens is almost infinitesimal.
So it meant that Guccifer II was in fact playing games with the data and playing games with us.
So all this allegation that it was a hack or even alleged to be a hack is just false from the beginning.
This guy's playing with us.
He's kind of falsifying evidence and falsifying inputs to us.
So trying to make an argument to support the idea that the Trump administration was involved with the Russians.
Well, from our point of view, that's absolutely false.
Okay, so and so that was I read about that.
And then I so the fact also, let me just add on to what you just said, is that the DNC and John Podesta never allowed an outside agency to investigate or to inspect their servers.
They never allowed the FBI or the Department of Homeland Security to investigate their servers.
Neither did John Podesta.
And that's why I said there will never be proof of a hack into the DNC server because they'll never allow anybody to inspect their servers.
So game's over right there.
Am I wrong about that?
No, no.
I mean, that's when you're trying to hide evidence of anything that's going on, that's the way to do it.
If you can keep people out of your evidence drawer, then you do that.
So I just said this is the whole thing and stories manufactured.
And if the intelligence community claimed they have evidence, they should put it on the table.
This is one of the things I said to Director Pompeo, Pompeo, that if the members of Congress are going to call this an act of war, then this is a pretty serious situation.
And I reflect back on the previous serious conditions when John Fitzgerald Kennedy, President Kennedy, exposed the photographs, the U-2 photographs, the missiles in Cuba in the UN, and he did that by declassifying them.
So classification has no bearing here.
If you're going to talk about an act of war and make a serious situation, you need to produce that evidence.
And I would also say that Ronald Reagan, when he was president and the Russians shot down the KAL airline over Sakhalin Island, he released the Japanese recordings of the Russian ground-to-air control of the fighter, ordering him to shoot the plane down.
And they reduced that.
He produced that in the UN.
So, I mean, their precedent for presidents reducing classification to nothing and exposing it to the public, if you're talking about a very serious situation, which if they're going to call an act of war, then this is a case where they should produce the evidence for the public to see.
Otherwise, we have no confidence in them.
I mean, after all, it's the intelligence community that said there were weapons of mass destruction in Iraq.
The Tonkin Gulf, we were attacked by the North Koreans or North Vietnamese and the Tonka Gulf until we started a war, went over to killed a couple million people on a falsehood.
Because they just didn't believe the captain of the ship that was supposedly attacked, who said that there was no attack at all.
So we started a war on the false principle or false input from not just the Vietnam War, but also the Iraq war.
So, I mean, we need to have truth here.
And this is really what I told him was the very most serious issue here is that the intelligence agencies are not telling the truth to the leadership of the country.
This is really bad.
Why do you think there's such uniformity in going along pushing this obvious, to me, obvious false propaganda?
Once I heard that the DNC and John Podessa wouldn't allow the FBI to investigate their servers, I knew this was, to me, that does not pass the smell test.
I'm a nightclub comedian with a bullshit detector.
And to me, that was like, oh, bullshit detector is ringing top speed.
There's something wrong there.
And so that to me, so why do you think there aren't more people, A, like you, out there speaking up, people with authority who can speak on this issue?
Let me just start there.
Why do you think there's not more people doing what you're doing?
First of all, I think inside the intelligence community, I know through the grapevine of retirees that the morale situation there is really bad because they're all being threatened internally.
They have programs like See Something, Say Something about people you work for or work with, either way.
And so it's like the Stasi, you know, that was a program they instituted, spying on their fellow workers.
So it really causes a really ugly work environment.
And so they threaten people with the FBI and threaten them with putting them in jail and indicting them on various charges.
So that's, I mean, they passed around the movie, the 60-minute article that came out in 2012, 2011 about us in May.
They circulated that internally in NSA to basically tell the workforce, this is what's going to happen to you if you say anything.
And so this is the kind of intimidation that occurs inside these agencies.
And so they're all pretty much threatened and afraid to do anything.
So not that they wouldn't like to, it's just that they are afraid to do it.
So now I found your information.
I also know that the DNC didn't allow the FBI to, why aren't there more people in the media that are telling the truth about this situation?
Why do you think?
Well, the media is now also afraid.
I mean, with Jim Risen and Jim Rosen, the Associated Press, the threats of grand jury investigations and charges and so on to the media have also made them very afraid to do anything either.
I mean, from what I can see, investigative journalism, at least in the national security area, is pretty much dead in this country.
That won't happen.
You can't get anything except the story du jour from the intelligence agencies or the administration.
You can't get anything.
Nobody's doing anything to try to verify or validate any of it.
So, you know, and I think Paul, I mean, I think the CIA and others have had ongoing efforts to try to infiltrate the news media to make sure that they conform to the story that they want told.
A lot of them coordinate their stories before they're published with the CIA or NSA or FBI.
So and they allow them to filter it.
So, you know, there's kind of a collaborative effort there.
And there's the threat behind it through grand juries and things like that.
So I think that that's the reason that the mainstream media at least simply turns over and does what they're told.
I'm here with Rob Lakota, the political vigilante.
Grab Elwood.
Hi, you guys.
Hey.
Howdy, howdy.
All right.
So let's talk about the Alabama Senate race and who won it for the Democrats.
It was a squeaker.
Democrats barely beat a pedophile.
That's how bad the Democrats are.
They barely beat a pedophile.
So here at white men, 74% of white men voted for Roy Moore.
And get this, 65% of white women who voted voted for the pedophile.
Isn't that weird?
Isn't that weird?
You figure women would be the one that we have a tough time with.
No.
Women that note 65% of white women.
Turns out black women they had a tough time with.
Black women voted against Roy Moore.
97% voted for the Democrat.
92% of black men.
Who are those other 7% of black guys who voted for Roy Frickin Moore?
The guy who said things were better when we had slavery.
That's mystifying to me that there's any number that voted from black people for Roy Moore.
So there you go.
The blacks really came out for him, being Doug Jones, and against Roy Moore.
Right.
So the thing about Doug Jones was that he successfully prosecuted white racists who killed black kids.
Right.
So that's, you can see why black people would be like, hey, I'm on board for this guy.
Yeah.
Right.
So you can see that.
You can see where they were motivated to stand up against white supremacists like Trump and Steve Bannon and his ilk and the people they're endorsing like Roy Moore, right?
So you can see why the African-American community Was motivated to get out, right?
So, plus, also, Doug Jones went to their, he campaigned.
He went and talked to those people, and so they came out for him, right?
I don't think Roy Moore did a lot of campaigning in the black community in Alabama.
No, I don't think he did.
I thought he brought his message of things were better during slavery to the black community.
No, he didn't write that message.
But I know they have a quote, Jew lawyer.
I know that.
He's a Jew lawyer.
So that's good.
Our lawyer's a Jew.
Boy, nothing says acceptance and equality and diversity.
Like, our lawyer's a Jew.
Boy, that just.
Yeah, nothing says non-discrimination.
Our lawyer's a Jew.
Yeah.
Is that how you list them in your phone?
Jew.
Jew.
Jew lawyer.
Jew lawyer.
That's what just comes up.
Mang, look who's calling.
You know.
Hey, Siri, called you lawyer.
Oh, and pick up my dry cleaning from the Chinaman.
The yellow.
Roy Moore referred to Asians as yellows and Native Americans as reds.
Wow.
Did you not know that?
I didn't know that.
Yeah, he referred to yellows and reds.
That's gross.
Like, he's acting like he was born in 1920 instead of 1960.
When was Roy Moore born?
1950, 55?
Something like that?
Sounds about right, yeah.
Yeah, he is acting like he was born in 1900.
You'd be like, no, no, no, right.
You know that we don't call them reds and yellows.
He's doing that on purpose, right?
So anyway, back to the.
So here's what Tom Perez said.
Tom Perez says, let me be clear.
We won in Alabama and Virginia because black women led us to victory.
Black women are the backbone of the Democratic Party, and we can't take that for granted, period.
Yes, but you have been taking it for granted and you're taking it for granted.
Yes, you are, right?
Because you're not doing anything to help black women unless gutting welfare, what Hillary Clinton did while exploding the prison population, if that's what you mean by taking care of black women.
Or how about how about when you ended when you ended the New Deal banking regulations?
And so then the economy crashed within 10 years.
And you know who got hurt the most by that?
Black and brown people who went to college.
Those are the people.
Go ahead, Ron.
Well, I was going to add, don't we have the whole concept of donut Twitter because a black woman was suppressed by the DNC?
A black woman named Nina Turner.
Oh my God.
She wasn't allowed to speak at the DNC convention, right?
If I'm not mistaken.
Oh, that's right.
Oh, that's right.
So the Democrats, they can't take black women for granted, but we will bar them from speaking at the Democratic National Convention.
And who will we let speak?
How about a billionaire white guy who instituted fascism stop and frisk, which is also racist, in New York City?
How about a billionaire Republican who instituted the racist fascist policy of stop and frisk?
He can talk, right?
But not Nina Turner, because she might say something people actually want to hear.
She's not going to carry your corporate.
So that's why they're full of it.
So that, so get and guess who guess who sniffs them out that the Democrats are full of it, that Tom Perez is full of it when he says this, and all the Democrats have been ignoring blacks.
They haven't been doing anything.
Why would black people get off their ass to vote for Hillary Clinton in Michigan when she sent all their jobs?
Her and her husband sent their jobs to Mexico with NAFTA.
And while they were trying to get those people to vote for Hillary Clinton, Barack Obama was pushing the TPP at the top of his lungs.
And you wonder why Hillary Clinton lost?
I bet it's because of Susan Sarandon.
I bet it's because of someone with no money and no power.
I thought Jill Stein and the Burn Bros and Putin locked arm in arm around Wisconsin and Michigan and prevented her from campaigning there.
That was my understanding.
That's what I heard.
From Russia gang.
I heard Jimmy was there too.
Okay.
I was there too doing that.
So here's Charles Barkley, and he has a message on the victory of Doug Jones over the Roy Moore.
He has a message for the Democrats.
Well, this is a wake-up call for Democrats.
Your Democrats, and I told Mr. Jones this, and I love Doug.
They've taken the black vote and the poor vote for granted for a long time.
It's time for them to get off their ass and start making life better for black folks and people who are poor.
They've always had our votes and they have abused our votes.
And this is a wake-up call.
We got it in a great position now, but this is a wake-up call for Democrats to do better for black people and poor white people.
And poor white.
So it's time for the Democrats to do something for the poor.
That's what he's saying.
It's time for the Democrats to reach out to the people who have been disenfranchised in this economy.
That's what it's time for the Democrats to do.
It's time for the Democrats to actually, the black people has just delivered for the Democrats.
It's time for the Democrats to deliver for the black people.
It's about time they delivered for black people and poor white people.
That's what Charles Barkley's saying.
He gets it.
He gets it.
He knows what's going on.
He sees what's happening, that the Democrats actually don't do anything for anybody.
So it's about time.
And we've, so I don't know if you know, but Jackie Robinson, the baseball player, took a lot of shit because he endorsed Nixon over Kennedy.
That's a long time ago, I know.
But he's made the point that you can't let one political party think they own your vote because then they ain't going to do anything for you.
You got to let them know that you're willing to support someone else.
So then they have to actually do stuff for you.
That was his, and that's a good point.
I don't know if I would have picked Nixon, but that's the point.
This is the point that he's making.
So now they've always had the black vote.
And when are you guys going to honor it?
So this is the whole thing.
This is, you know, especially in Alabama.
The U.N. just did a study that Alabama has poverty at third world country levels.
It is the poorest state of any industrialized country in the world.
In the world.
In the world, right here in America.
Right.
So Alabama's doing this.
And like, this isn't the only state.
I just talked with someone who lives in, who has a YouTube show, Red Neconomics, has a show in West Virginia.
And she's talking about 50% unemployment in West Virginia and rampant opioid drug problems.
It's not just Alabama.
So Charles Barkley, I didn't know he was a progressive.
I just thought he was kind of a jackass sometimes, but that was amazing.
And the Democrats better wake the fuck up to the fact because there is a lot of seriously poor people or people about to be poor or barely functioning.
And if they keep abandoning them and just go resist Trump, this will happen.
This will be a one-off.
Well, but let's be fair to the Democrats.
I think Charles Barkley made that video before he saw the new slogan, hey, we're not pedophiles.
He might.
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*music*
Hello, John.
Howdy, Labor.
Former president and current Wall Street motivational speaker Barack Obama, what can I do for you?
Wrong question, Jimmy.
What can I do for you?
Let me answer that for you.
Here's a tip.
You've only got three more hours to enroll in Obamacare.
Are you enrolled?
Yeah, but my premiums are going through the roof now, all because I earned $400 more this quarter than I did last quarter.
No problem.
Just re-enroll in a different plan that suits your budget.
But then I got to wait for weeks for a paperwork to go through, even if I do find a cheap enough plan.
And then there's my current doctors.
If I have to choose a different plan, I lose my current doctors.
Oh, that's bullshit.
Or that depends on what states you're in or what county.
See, there's an answer for everything.
But what if I can't afford the new premiums?
Then call our toll-free number.
But most likely, you'll have to quit your job, sell your house, and move to California.
But I already live in California.
But apply for Medi-Cal.
But don't make over $1,300 a month because you might start losing your coverage.
Might start losing my coverage?
Yeah, I don't know for sure.
It's complicated.
In fact, you can call 10 different people in one day and get 10 different answers regarding that.
That's what you call choice.
So if I make more than $1,300 a month, I lose my current doctors and have to start paying premiums I couldn't afford in the first place.
That's right.
Well, that's fucked.
Really?
Would you rather have nothing?
I'd rather have a single payer.
What's that?
Can't hear you.
We got a bad connection.
Never mind.
Oh, wait, I can hear you again.
Is that better?
I guess.
And other news, you're welcome, Jimmy.
Welcome for what?
Thanking me for our party's wonderful centrist victory in Alabama.
Or as I call it, Ala Obama.
You went from having a net worth of $1.3 million in 2007 to over $70 million in 2017.
How is that being centrist?
Oh, I never said I was centrist, you liberal mascot, but I am middle of the road.
What's the difference?
Well, if you're a centrist, you triangulate.
Whereas if you're middle of the road, you plow through the center without giving a shit about either side, except for the side with money, which is usually on the right.
So isn't that right of center centrism then?
Hell no.
That's middle-of-the-road flanking, where you outflank the center left by veering to the right.
By veering to the right, you avoid middle-of-the-road hazards in the center and left lanes.
I don't get any of this.
Just follow the rules of the road, Jimmy.
Before changing lanes to the right, never look behind you.
And for God's sake, never use your turn signal.
Last thing you want to do is warn all the people following you that you're going to turn Republican.
What?
I still don't get it.
Always use this helpful mnemonic device to remember how to safely maneuver the political highway from fake progressive to corporate tool.
S-M-O-G, or SMOG.
SMOG stands for surrender, mimic, obfuscate, and go.
First, surrender any ideals you might have had upon entering politics.
Then mimic the person you once were when running for higher office.
Obfuscate.
Confuse voters with your bullshit until they put their hands in the air and just give up.
And then lastly, it's all clear.
You can G or go.
Smog.
Use this helpful acronym whenever you run for office, Jimmy.
Work for me.
And now I got $70 million, and I'm living high next to Jared Kushner.
Sweet, eh?
Oh, God, I think I'm going to be sick.
You're welcome.
It's just a little thing called public service, Jimmy.
That's where I get serviced by the public.
See you on the toll road to Xanadu and bring a catheter.
*music*
So Charles Barkley, from what I remember, used to like to call himself a Republican.
And I think what happened was he got out of sport.
He got done playing sports, so he had free time on his hand, and he started to pay a little closer attention, especially when we had an African-American president, and he saw that they weren't helping his people.
I think that's so it sounds like he's aware now that the Democrats, so he gets that even though I might want to think I'm a Republican because I'm rich, those guys still don't want me in their club.
In fact, they want to shoot me and put me in prison.
Right.
Charles Barkley gets that now.
Let me put a picture of him up.
So Charles Barkley gets that point right now.
So I think that's what it is now.
He realizes that no matter how much money I got, they still look down their nose at me, right?
I'm not in part of their club.
And so I think he diagnoses it perfectly.
It's time for the Democratic Party to do something for people besides their donors and rich people.
I don't think they're going to.
You got to pull them kicking and screaming just to give people a $12 minimum wage or some kind of shitty right-wing healthcare plan.
I mean, this is obviously good that Roy Moore lost, but my concern is that the Democratic Party is going to go, see, we got it.
They already started doing that.
They already started doing that, Graham.
Oh, yeah, totally.
And you know what?
I'm sorry.
Centrism is not the answer when you go from being the party that couldn't beat a reality TV star to the party that was able to beat a pedophile by less than two percentage points.
Okay, you don't have anything figured out.
Yeah, I'm glad Roy Moore lost too.
Of course I am.
So what they're saying is because of what happened in Virginia a couple of weeks ago and what happened in Alabama, look, the Democrats are back.
See, Trump is toxic.
The Democrats are back, which is semi-true.
It's not true because if you look what happened tonight in Virginia, the candidates who were the furthest left did the best.
I like to say, you know, the Democratic establishment taking credit for some of the progressive figures.
Yeah, that's like the school bully taking credit when someone they bullied goes on to do something amazing with their life.
Yeah, exactly.
So there is a full-blown socialist one in Virginia against one of the top two guy Republican in the state, supposed to be a safe district.
A full-blown, he calls himself a socialist, won that race against one of the top Republicans in the state in Virginia, and it was supposed to be gerrymandered safe.
So the furthest left people won, especially also in Philadelphia.
There was a Black Lives Matter lawyer.
He became the district attorney in Philadelphia, which is a place that went for Hillary Clinton over Bernie Sanders.
So the furthest left people won that night.
And now the corporate Democrats are trying to say, see, all we have to do is not beat Trump.
Where's the jobs program?
Where are the Democrats pushing a jobs program?
Right?
They still don't have one.
Where's the Democrats' alternative tax plan?
They still don't have one.
Where's the Democrats' alternative Pentagon budget?
They don't have one because they're on board with the Pentagon budget.
Right?
Where's the Democrats' alternative everything?
Student loan forgiveness.
Where's their college tuition?
I mean, I'm on a Green New Deal.
Where is it?
Why is it the Democrats?
Why isn't this their whole green new deal?
Where's their Green New Deal?
Because they don't have one.
Because they don't have policies to make your life better.
They just, again, were just a little less shitty than the other guys.
That's the Democrats.
And Charles Barkley knows that, and so do you.
And that's why they almost didn't beat a fucking full-fledged pedophile who got kicked off the Alabama court twice.
Net neutrality was just killed.
Now what?
Now what?
Well, according to Vice, before you throw your computer into a lake, rest assured, this ain't over.
In the days, weeks, and months to follow, honestly, even in the next few hours, the next phase in the fight to preserve net neutrality will begin.
It will take many forms and will happen in several arenas, but it's only just begun.
Here's what the fight will look like.
This is according to Vice, trying to get Congress to pull an emergency lever.
The first course of immediate action will be for net neutrality proponents to pressure Congress to use the Congressional Review Act to pass a resolution of disapproval.
This is a mechanism that allows Congress to overrule any regulations enacted by federal agencies.
Take okay, the next thing they could do.
So, that's so I think that's very, very, very low possibility that Congress acts because, and here's why.
All the pretty much assured that all the Republicans are going to go along with gutting net neutrality.
Well, actually, some, I mean, there were some Republicans that actually sent Ajit Pai a letter urging him to delay the vote, not because they give a hoot about net neutrality, but because their constituents were so angry that they realized the political suicide this is, and they kind of had to listen.
So, I mean, the Republicans seem to be doing one suicidal thing after another.
That's very true.
This tax bill, they should all lose their next election because they voted for this tax bill.
Net neutrality, they should all lose the next election if they supported this.
It's not my first choice of a course of action.
I'm not saying don't try it.
It's still totally worth calling to representatives, I think, because we're going to try everything.
But yes, I do not think it's the most likely.
Why I say this, Ron, is because Pat Toomey, Senator, Democratic Senator Pat Toomey, he did all the bullshit language.
Well, I'll show you.
He said, like many Americans, I support an internet free from government control.
While I understand the concerns expressed by those who support net neutrality regulations, I believe that such federal mandates would unduly inhibit the industry's investment in new technology and job creation.
So that's a talking point direct straight from the internet service providers PR machine.
So I give you the double CK on that one, okay?
Because that's a complete lie.
And Senator Pat Toomey knows that's a lie.
He goes on, he says, Moreover, the internet and online content have thrived in the United States without net neutrality.
Also a lie.
That's also a lie.
Also a lie.
So here's your elected official lying to you, hoping or counting on that you're too dumb to know that he's lying.
So Senator Pat Toomey, a fucking liar.
And he's lying about something that's of a monumental importance.
So now you know why these guys are, we have to get rid of these guys.
Now you know why we need a third party.
This is a goddamn Democratic senator fucking lying.
He's not wrong on the issue.
That's not.
He's just not wrong on it.
He's lying to you about it, lying.
Okay.
Now, Rachel Maddow's not going to tell you that because she's paid to not tell you the truth about it, too.
But we'll tell you that here.
And there he is saying it.
Moreover, the internet and online content have thrived in the United States without net neutrality, which throws into question the need for more government intervention.
No, we've always had net neutrality, liar, which is why the internet has thrived.
Now you're changing it.
So he's lying to you and gaslighting you.
And I'll throw it over to my panel.
Well, to be fair to Senator Toomey, there is going to be some great job creation.
It's going to be for the people taking care of the 1%ers, polo horses, and private chat maintenance crews are going to get an uptick.
It's just fantastic that they're so arrogant that they just can say crazy bullshit.
I mean, when this first, they first started talking about this last month.
There's a subreddit page of NASCAR fans.
They got pissed off pretty red state type of group.
And they were like, wait a minute, they understand this is bullshit.
They understand how this is going to hurt anyone who's doing any business on the internet in any way.
This could affect you.
And of course, it's always like, and the neoliberals that I interact with, they just think, oh, look at the Republicans are doing, which it is.
This is largely a Republican thing, but there's still always a good amount of Democrats that let this shit happen.
Just, it turns out just enough.
Just enough.
Just enough Democrats.
There's always just enough Democrats to let to kill the reimportation of drugs from Canada bill, for instance.
Just enough Democrats.
There's always just enough Democrats.
Go ahead, Ron.
Well, I was just going to add on that point.
When I hear neoliberals patting Obama on the back saying that he's the reason we have net neutrality, that is such a frustrating talking point because they don't even realize you're parroting Ajit Pai.
That's the talking point they use to say, well, we didn't have net neutrality until 2015 anyway, which is, again, not true, very misleading.
But they're using that just to give Obama the credit saying, like, well, if we just had Democrats in the White House, we wouldn't have any of these problems, which, again, not true.
But like, that's just one of those things where it's like, no, we'd be fighting this fight anyway because we fought it before.
And it wasn't like Tom Wheeler was some big proponent of this.
He didn't want to do it.
When they took the FCC to court and the FCC lost and the court system was like, all you need to do is designate it a Title II.
Tom Wheeler was like, well, oopsie-daisy, I guess we lost.
And the public was like, no, you're going to do what we've been asking you to do since 2005, and you're going to make this a Title II.
And then they crashed the website so they finally did it.
It's because of the people that we have solid net neutrality.
We always had assumed net neutrality.
We have net neutrality on the books because of the citizens.
That's why.
And the cool thing about this article, it goes from, in my opinion, the least likely solution, which is trying to get Congress to pull the lever to the best solution.
So let's get to that.
So here's the next solution they offer.
They say taking it to court.
Lawsuits at this point are an inevitability.
Pro-net neutrality and consumer rights groups will file lawsuits against the FCC in hopes that a court will overrule the decision.
Both Free Press and the Electronic Frontier Foundation told me their groups are prepared to sue.
Yeah, Free Press already announced their lawsuit.
And there's also a lot of states that are already proposing net neutrality laws.
California is one of them.
New York is one of them.
You know, a lot of folks were already prepared for this.
The Attorney General in New York is getting ready to sue.
All right.
So making a making, here's another one, making our own net neutrality laws.
Though the FCC has stated plans to preempt state laws preserving net neutrality.
Now, that's the thing about conservatives.
They always want the decisions to be made at a local level.
And as soon as you start making on the local level that go against their corporate overlords, they take that power away from you.
Isn't that weird?
I know.
They're the ones who always accuse the lefties of wanting a nanny state and taking the decision and putting it in Washington, D.C. We're supposed to bring it right here back home.
So when we do that, those hypocritical, lying, bought, corrupted Republicans switch.
They just switch and go, well, you're not allowed to do that.
We're going to override you at the federal level.
You want to help the people on a local level?
We're going to make it not legal for you to help your own people.
And guess what?
The Democrats lose to these motherfuckers.
The Democrats Lose today.
That's why this is happening because the Democrats suck so hard.
That's why this is happening.
Not because of Josh Fox or Susan Sarandon or fucking Bernie Sanders.
This is because we had the biggest election fraud in the history of our country happen in the primary and push the most unwinnable candidate against the most beatable candidate in the world.
That's why this is happening.
That's why this is happening because the biggest election rigging in the history of our country was done to thwart the will of the people.
That's why this is happening.
So local lawmakers and community groups hope to protect a free and open internet at the state and local level.
So we've talked about how municipality, Minneapolis provides free Wi-Fi all over their city, free Wi-Fi.
Look at that.
Ron have talked about Chad Newcombe.
Chattanooga has been doing it for years.
Chad and New York.
They were ahead of the curve.
Yeah.
Chattanooga, Tennessee.
You know, I think that was this, Ron and I were talking about this.
That's got, I think the key is you were saying municipalities.
Municipalities providing internet.
Yeah.
And why not?
So, well, because they're going to, in substates, at the state level, they've passed laws to make it illegal for local municipalities.
That's how corrupted our electoral system is, Graham.
That's how corrupted our politics is in America.
Our government is completely corrupted.
That's 100%.
You're going to tell a city that they can't do something that would help people?
Yes.
So you could enrich a handful of people at the expense of millions?
Yes.
That's how it works.
That's Democrats.
That's Republicans.
That's corporatism.
That's neoliberalism.
That's what we have right now.
And that's why we have Trump.
Okay.
So it goes on from Vice.
This will include state legislators introducing transparently pro-net neutrality bills like Washington State Representative Drew Hansen, who Wednesday introduced House Bill 2282, which would prohibit ISPs.
That's internet service providers.
When you hear ISP, that means the people who sell you access to the internet, like Comcast, AT ⁇ T, Verizon, those would be the people.
All those stellar customer service hubs.
Yeah, you know, the ones, Commons, Comcast, Spectrum, Charter, those people that just synonymous with customer service.
Yeah.
Yeah.
Like if you could, if you could have a company most resemble the 1980s Russia era company, they would be the internet service providers.
Yeah, and I'm sure they're paying the people in those phone banks that provide that excellent customer service a great livable wage.
I'm sure they're giving them good benefits and everything.
I'm sure they're not even in this country.
Okay.
So the bill, which would prohibit ISPs, internet service providers, from blocking any content or throttling service.
When communities or local co-ops are able to build their own internet, they can demand that net neutrality be baked in, which not only preserves access to a free and open internet, but creates a market pressure on private competitors to do the same.
So what we've been saying is, you know, the capitalists pretend they like competition, but they don't.
Capitalists want monopolies.
And that's just obvious because that's what this is.
And that's why they bribe their state officials to pass laws getting rid of competition, right?
So if we had a bank in the California that was run by the state, do we have a state-run bank in California?
No.
Because if we did, the other banks would have to compete with it.
But they don't.
So that's why banks get to screw people over hard because there's nowhere to go.
That's what a public option was in healthcare.
A public option was the government will provide their health care.
And now private companies are going to have to compete with that actual good policy.
And so it makes everybody better.
That's actual competition.
So what these guys want, we all know what capitalists really want is not competition.
Capitalists want monopolies.
And that's what they're getting.
And who gets hurt from monopolies?
Everybody, except the handful of people who the money gets funneled up to.
And that's why six people own more wealth than the whole goddamn universe.
That's why.
That's why Jeff Bezos is worth over $100 billion right now.
Okay.
The world's greatest predatory capitalist, Jeff Bezos.
He also owns the Washington Post, has a $600 million deal with the CIA and sits on a Pentagon board.
But the guys who write for the Washington Post will tell you you're crazy if you think there's anything wrong with that.
Those guys are geniuses, not hacks at the Washington Post.
They are not hacks.
They are not hacks.
And they all have good skin.
Are we doing skincare chips today?
I will give some skincare.
Yeah, I love it.
And it's so funny, too.
It's what you said.
You know, the Republicans are always saying, oh, you know, the Democrats bog us down in regulation.
Let the market know this is not free market anything what they want to do.
They want to just make it monopolies.
And they talk this whole game of we got to let everybody just, you know, let the let the market figure itself out.
No, you're controlling everything and you don't want any you want any competition on any level.
It just fucking drives me completely insane what they do this.
And anytime they hear words like community or co-op, man, they want to crush it.
Yeah.
Because they don't want the people having any say in any of this shit.
They want to feed them their bullshit and everybody goes, oh, thanks.
But this is the one thing I'm so impressed that like apathy is not winning because the internet is part of apathetic America.
So now you're going to take that one that one teat, that digital teat away that has kept America dumb and plugged out.
So if I can't watch my stupid fucking cat videos, then I'm going to get pissed off.
This is the one thing that actually might wake America the fuck up.
Well, and in some cases, literal teats because people want their porn.
Yes.
Yeah.
I mean, people are, and that's what this article, getting back to this, like it saved the best solution for last, which is municipal broadband all across the country.
It's amazing to see how they can corrupt and bribe their politicians to pass laws that make that illegal.
That's unbelievable.
I think they did that in South Carolina.
Don't quote me on that, but it's one of those southeastern states that did that, where there was a city that passed broadband.
They provided it.
Everybody loves it.
So they immediately got at the state to say no more of that.
Isn't that amazing?
Yeah, but I mean, we covered that story in Colorado where people are opting out of that now.
And now they're building.
So, yeah, I mean, there's definitely, it's totally worth it.
And I plan on doing it here.
I'm going to a city council meeting.
So we say we want municipal broadband.
So we're going to do that.
Bron and I both live in Pasadena, and we're going to figure out how to, we're going to, you know, call the mayor and whatever, and we're going to try to figure out how to get this legislation introduced.
So Pasadena provides internet to everybody.
And I think we might have a hard time because the mayor here is a little bit of a corporatist.
But, you know, we'll see.
It is Pasadena.
We never, we'll never know.
Well, we'll wait to see.
But that is the future.
That is the future.
So, and the future for this show is you making sure you're still subscribed to it because everybody, I'm not kidding.
People say not only are they getting unsubscribed from our show, but they have trouble resubscribing.
It'll come up error.
So they're trying to, again, whatever's going on, they're squelching independent news.
And that's their program.
That's their idea.
And they've changed their log rhythms.
I don't know if you've noticed, but MSNBC's videos and CNN's videos used to get 1,000 views, 2,000 views.
Now, I'm seeing videos from MSNBC and CNN on YouTube getting 700,000 views, 2.2 million views.
Why?
Because the algorithm that YouTube is using is pushing mainstream news now.
That's what's happening, and it's suppressing stuff like this.
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You want to say something, Greg?
Yeah, I jumped from 6,000 to 6,700 subscribers, right, on my little political vigilante.
And then, in a day, right after this, it's dropped to 6,300.
I lost 400.
I gained 700 and then lost 400.
800 people stopped within a day in the same day.
Really, the day I dropped the net neutrality thing this morning when I dropped it, that's when that's when I lost all the subscribers.
That video that jumped that got a thousand views in an hour?
Really?
I find that hard to believe.
Your video wasn't I hate net neutrality, was it?
Or was it a pro net neutrality video?
No, it was it was a pro-net neutrality thing.
There you go.
Weird.
You know, the only thing that actually getting back to this, the only thing that is actually like you would think would stop the gutting of net neutrality is the fact that some of the biggest companies in the country are for net neutrality.
For instance, Google.
Google's actually for net neutrality.
Facebook.
Facebook's actually for net neutrality.
So, how do those billionaires who, you know, how do they let the so there's people fighting amongst each other in Silicon Valley?
So, a bunch of people in Silicon Valley sent a letter.
They all, a bunch of them signed it and sent it to the Senate.
Uh-huh.
You know, and it's amazing to me when I see a lot of these wealthy billionaires and wealthy companies that are in favor of net neutrality and they're getting pushed aside.
This just smells like big fat deep state.
This is the last place that they haven't controlled.
Well, you know what I say to a lot of those people too?
I'm like, hey, help out with some of these lawsuits then.
Netflix was tweeting, we're so disappointed that it's all right.
Well, then throw some money at free press or throw some money at someone.
Help out with these lawsuits because, you know, it's going to be a really hard sell for Ajit Pai to convince the courts under the guise of innovation in e-commerce that we need to complete the completely gut the internet as we know it.
Because that's what he's going to have to sell to the courts.
That's not going to be easy to do.
Well, we hopefully that the judges weren't appointed by George W. Bush.
That's all we can.
And even Jarack Obama, who knows?
I mean, you know, he's a corporatist, 100%.
So who knows?
Maybe these judges will go right along with the corporate line on that.
I mean, but the problem is there are two different corporate lines, right?
So there's the internet service provider corporate line, which is Comcast, right?
Which is why they'll fire anybody who tells the truth about net neutrality.
Have you seen Rachel Maddow's coverage of net neutrality?
It is so unbelievably neutral.
Talk about net neutrality.
She's so neutral.
She'll say things like, oh, this is a big deal, but she won't say which way it's a big deal.
She'll go, oh, this is going to, everybody, people are going to be protesting, but she won't say what they're going to do.
You know what I mean?
It's such a mealy mouth coverage.
And you know why?
Because Rachel Maddow and Chris Hayes, they're paid to not inform you.
And they do it gladly.
Well, she says it'll change your life.
It'll change it.
And here's a list of things that would change my life.
A comedy special, a medical emergency.
Rest my case.
And you wonder why people get their news from YouTube.
Why, good day, sir.
I give hearty thanks to you for accepting my call.
And I am mighty honored to be of your acquaintance and whatnot.
Even if you are a carpetbagging Yankee asshole with the blood of Southern Honor upon your hands, sir, I challenge you to pistols of dawn.
Wow, former Mississippi Governor Haley Barber.
What a surprise.
Thanks for calling.
Why, thank you.
You melt me like harvest butter in the Mississippi blood.
And since I'm in a favorable mood, I take back my challenge of the duel.
However, I must insist you accept my challenge to a game of pinnacle.
I'm sorry, but I don't even know how to play Pinochle.
You dishonor yourself, sir.
And by doing so, you dishonor me.
I challenge you to sword play.
Choose your saber.
I don't own a gun or a saber, and I don't know how to play Pinuckle.
Shivering shitballs, son.
No wonder you're sidelong for civil war.
Still, I shall show mercy upon your miserable flesh vessel, for I am filled with the joy of the righteous this blessed day.
Why are you in such a good mood?
As everyone knows, it has been my life strain to attend the opening of a civil rights museum in my home state of Mississippi.
And last weekend, I realized such an event.
Didn't you say six years ago that you didn't think the civil rights struggle in the South was that bad?
No, that's not exactly what I said, son.
My words were taken out of context.
What I really said was it could have been worse.
For instance, imagine marching in Selma without the refreshing thirst relief of a Dr. Pepper.
It was just a hypothetical, that's all.
What do you hope this Civil Rights Museum will accomplish?
Cement my legacy as a trailblazing advocate of civil rights.
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