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The Jimmy Dore Show.
Hello, this is Jimmy Dore.
Jimmy, this is Hillary supporter.
Oh, hi, Hillary supporter.
How are you?
Have you read it?
Have I. Have I read?
Have I read what?
Shut up.
Have you read it?
Oh, Hillary's.
What happened?
It's called What Happened.
Right.
Say it.
What happened?
By who?
Hillary.
Hillary fucking Clinton, bitch.
Damn straight.
Yes, Queen.
I'm not sure how to say that exactly.
I assume you've read it.
Are you kidding me?
I'm on my third go-around already.
Oh, do you like it?
Do I like it?
Are you kidding me right now?
It's the greatest book I've ever read after fear of flying.
This book is a catharsis for all those who were so solidly with her.
We were with her, Jimmy, and she was destroyed by monsters and evil forces.
No, no, she just lost an election.
Fuck you.
No, she didn't.
It was stolen from her by beasts.
And boy, oh boy, she lets them all have it in this book.
Comey, Putin, and most of all.
Oh, here we go.
Bernie Sanders.
That loathsome lying puke with his stupid ponies that he kept promising everybody.
Ha!
Ponies.
That's what Hillary said.
She's so funny.
Everyone forgets how funny Hill is.
Ponies.
Yeah, I don't think Bernie stance on single payer is what made Hillary lose to Donald Trump.
Quit gaslighting me.
I don't think I...
That's all you Bernie bros do.
It's such a stray white male tactic just to gaslight Hillary supporters.
Was there any part of the book you didn't like?
Yes.
Oh, really?
What was that?
The fact that she takes any blame whatsoever for what happened.
She should accept none of the blame.
We're the ones who failed her.
We're not worthy of her, and we should be ashamed of our transgressions and iniquities and beg for her forgiveness.
Instead, she's been gaslighted into thinking that she was somehow responsible for how her campaign went, which just shows how much misogyny controls everything in this country.
Don't you think Hillary Clinton should, in fact, shoulder at least some of the blame for her own presidential campaign?
How dare you?
Okay.
This book is therapy for us, just like it was therapy for Hill to write it.
I'm going to need more, though.
This should be a long series like Harry Potter.
Just book after book of Hillary shitting on Bernie.
This stupid Bernie bros.
Maybe she can go completely crazy and say Bernie was a Russian agent.
Who knows?
Ah.
Hey, what do you think of Medicare for All bill that Bernie is sponsoring in the Senate?
It's getting support from the top Democrats.
Oh, please spare me.
What?
Give me a break with that single payer crap.
Ain't gonna happen.
More and more of the population is beginning to support it.
Ain't gonna happen, buddy.
Grow up.
Maybe not in this Congress, but with sustained support from Democratic leadership, by the time we flip the House in 2018.
Still not going to happen.
People are going to figure out finally that Bernie is trying to destroy the country.
And how's he going to do it exactly?
You can't just propose something and not have all the details worked out.
Yeah, you mean like when John F. Kennedy said, let's go to the moon and then immediately provided the specs and blueprints for the Apollo mission?
Exactly.
You can't just say things.
Oh, wait.
Sarcasm.
I get it.
So funny.
Well, as it so happens, asshole, I am fluent in sarcasm.
Here, too, can play at that game.
Oh, I think Bernie is so great.
I'm so glad he's still in the Senate and pushing this bullshit.
I super hope that he doesn't get killed by the insurance industry along with his dumb wife.
So you're hoping the Sanders get literally murdered.
No, I'm being sarcastic.
Get it.
I love being sarcastic.
I'm really good at it.
Oh, wouldn't it be great to have single-payer health care like every other industrialized Western nation and not have the literal welfare of our citizens be at the mercy of the profit motive of giant corporations?
Okay, Hillary supporter.
I gotta run.
Oh, I guess you're gonna be hanging up on me because I'm an anonymous, genderless termigant who calls you up to berate you from a place of irrational anger and am emblematic of a portion of the voting population who's motivated by perceived identitarian flights for real.
Is that why?
Hello?
It's the Jimmy Dore show.
The show for Gluffies.
The kind of people that are comments maybe on Tearing Down Our Nation.
It's the show that makes Anderson Cooper save.
It's hard to talk to you about you.
And now, there's a guy who sounds a lot like me.
It's Jimmy Dore, everybody.
Welcome to the Jimmy Door Show.
Before we get to the show, I want to remind everybody, September 18th is our next live Jimmy Doer show.
That's a Monday, September 18th in Burbank, California.
Go to JimmyDoorComedy.com for a link for tickets.
Also, September 25th, we're going to be in San Diego.
Go to JimmyDoorComedy.com.
Hey, everybody, welcome to this week's Jimmy Dore show.
We got a lot coming up on today's show.
Let's get to the jokes before we get to the jokes, shall we?
I don't know if you heard Ted Cruz.
He says he's going to stop tweeting porn and resume his regular wholesome tweets about taking health care away from poor people.
Teddy the Cruz.
Turns out Ted Cruz imposes Bernie Sanders and progressives because he thinks they want to break up the spank banks.
Are you with me?
Come on.
You know, now I have to rethink what Ted Cruz actually meant when he said his dad entered the United States with a $100 wad in his underwear.
I'll see you later.
Hey, I don't know if you've heard about ESPN.
ESPN is slabbing Jamal Hill for calling Trump a white supremacist.
They're also going to discipline any anchor who says there are bases and balls In baseball.
I mean, aside from everything he's ever done throughout his entire life, you can't name me one instance of Donald Trump being a white supremacist.
All right.
I don't know if you know ATT disannounced.
They make over a billion dollars a month in profits.
Did you know that?
That's it.
I'm seriously cutting down on texting.
*laughter*
Tim Kane, ladies and gentlemen.
Tim Kaine, not behind single payer.
Did you know that?
Tim Kaine, no, he wants some free market solutions.
Tim Kaine is the Joe Lieberman of vice presidential candidates.
Come on, that's a solid joke.
I shudder to think what might happen to the free world should the Ferret authentication codes fall into the Russians' hands.
Am I right?
Hey, what's coming up on today's show?
We're going to check in with the Democrats who are supporting Bernie Sanders' Medicare for All bill, and we're going to try to gauge their sincerity.
Also, does MSNBC tell the hosts what to say and what they can't say on air?
The answer just may surprise you.
Or will it?
Plus, Thomas Frank, our favorite author of What's the Matter with Kansas and Listen Liberal is here.
He just read Hillary's new book, What Happened, and he reviews it for us.
Plus, we got phone calls today from Ted Cruz.
Rick Perry calls in, and Jared Brown calls in.
Plus, a lot lot more.
That's today on the Jimmy Dore Show.
Jimmy Dore Show.
Hi, everybody.
Welcome to Jimmy Dorsher.
We're here with the miserable liberal, the Ron Placone.
I'm going to talk about this.
Now, you know, the problem we had with Corey Booker was that he's in bed with the neoliberals, meaning the corporatists, meaning he's not looking out for regular people or working class people, but he knows the words to use to make it sound like he is.
And Senator Sanders introduced a bill that would allow the United States to re-import drugs from Canada, eh?
Because the Canada, they negotiate for their drug prices as a country with the pharmaceuticals, so they get cheaper prices, eh?
So what the bill was going to let us do was import drugs from Canada that are already been negotiated for and are cheaper.
Corey Booker voted against it.
People are going to die because of that.
So everybody got on Corey Booker, myself included.
I wasn't proud of myself, but I did call him a piece of shit.
And that's, I was emotional.
And Corey Booker is a corporatist sellout who's bad for America and a phony, 100%.
So I don't have any problem saying that.
But I'm trying to get away with calling people that name.
Get away from doing that.
But I definitely meant it when I said it.
So Booker signs.
So now he's signing on to Bernie Sanders' Medicare for All bill, which is coming out.
This is the day that they're going to unveil it.
Now he signed on.
Now a bunch of Democrats are signing on to Bernie Sanders' Medicare for All bill.
Now, we're very skeptical here at the Jimmy Door show of those people doing that.
It seems like they're doing it because it's going to give them cover as a corporatist because they know it's a bill that's not going to pass as long as Trump is president and Republicans have the Senate in the House.
So it's very, there's no cost to supporting this bill now.
Just like, you know, everybody, just like Barack Obama said, he was for single payer before he got elected.
Just like Barack Obama said he was for the public option before he got elected.
Then he gets elected and his health insurance and big pharma tell him not to do it.
He doesn't do it.
So now they're saying, right, we're all for Medicare.
So Corey Booker's all for Medicare for All.
He's signing on.
Let's see him sign on a bill that actually has a chance of passing.
That's what I'm saying.
But let's go into the article.
Senator Corey Booker is throwing his support behind a Medicare for All bill while being introduced by Senator.
The New Jersey senator told New Jersey TV News that he would sign on as a co-sponsor of the bill, which is scheduled to be rolled out on Wednesday.
This is something that's got to happen.
This is Corey Booker talking.
Obamacare was the first step in advancing this country, but I won't rest until every American has a basic security that comes with having access to affordable health care.
So now, I don't know if you'd notice the wording he's using there is bullshit.
I'm not going to rest till every American has basic security that comes with having access to affordable health care.
Single payer isn't affordable health care.
It's just health care and you don't have to pay for it.
I mean, it's paid through taxes.
So if you get sick, you don't have to go in your pocket or you don't have to get an insurance, but it's just, it's there.
It's waiting to be used.
So him saying this sounds to me like he's getting ready for a shitty bill.
Yeah, and when we point out stuff like this, this kind of language, we're not being nitpicky.
We're not being purists.
We're proceeding with the caution that is necessary based on the track record that folks like Corey Booker have.
That's what we're doing.
People like Corey Booker has shown time and time again that he, as Chris Hedges says, he pays fealty to progressive politics, to Democratic politics.
They pay fealty.
They know the words to say to sound like a populist.
And these are those words.
But what this exactly saying is, I'm going to work as hard.
I will not rest until the insurance company is still kept alive and made part of our health care system.
That's what this sounds like to me, right?
We'll see.
We'll see.
It goes on.
The article goes on.
He added that you should not be punished because you are working class or poor and be denied healthcare.
I think healthcare should be a right to all.
Okay.
Working class or poor.
I feel like in the establishment, Democratic elite, they refuse to acknowledge the fact that some people are working class and poor and poor because of living wages.
Right.
There's poverty wages.
Yeah, that's why we have to fight for a living wage.
Because right now people are earning a non-living wage, a sub-living wage.
You can't rent an apartment, two-bedroom apartment in any state in the country on a minimum wage.
Right.
Any state in the country.
That's an amazing thing to think of.
Booker's office didn't immediately respond to a request for comment about his decision.
The idea is also gaining traction within the Democratic Party and is emerging as a litmus test for potential 2020 presidential candidates.
Oh, my God.
So I'm saying that's good that it's a litmus test.
That's good that that's a new litmus test.
It's bad that what, well, I'm not saying it's bad.
I'm saying I believe your actions.
When I see you actually push to pass this in a time when it actually could get passed, that's when you'll convince me.
Because every action Corey Booker has taken up to this point has been the opposite, that he's not on the side of working people.
He's not on the side of poor people.
He's not on the side of the working poor.
And he's on the side of corporations and to the point where he wants to privatize education and give all government money to corporations to come teach our kids.
So he's definitely a corporatist.
There's no doubt about it.
And that's why this is, I'm very skeptical.
I mean, I guess it's okay.
I mean, I guess it's a good idea that all these Democrats, they now know that in order to get their progressive bona fides, they have to say they're for a single payer.
Kamala Harris said it.
She also said it in a way that didn't sound like she was for it.
Yeah, I mean, there's some stuff going on.
Like, first of all, is there a chance that this is just a political football that they're playing?
Yes.
Yes, absolutely.
But it is a good thing that they're playing that political football in a way because they know that that's where public opinion is.
They know that the majority of the country wants single payer.
And Kyle Kalinske brought up this point where he said, you know, let's not be a damned if you do, damned if you don't situation.
And I understand that.
That is like, yeah, people can evolve and change on certain issues.
I mean, I know some conservatives that are like conservative on every other issue, but when it comes to healthcare, they're total single payer.
So I get that.
However, to not proceed with caution and to kind of read between the lines when it is necessary with people like Kamala Harris and Corey Booker could mean that you're going to make a mistake in the ballot box later, potentially.
So, you know, proceed with the utmost caution.
We'll see.
Especially when they're using terms like access, access to affordable.
Why would you say affordable health care if you're planning on doing single payer?
So those two things don't you wouldn't say, well, it's affordable health care access for somebody on a people who are on Medicare don't call it I have affordable access.
They call I have Medicare.
They don't say I have affordable access because they're not paying anything for it.
It's already been paid for.
Whoa, it's Ted Cruz on the line.
I wonder what's on his mind.
Oh, yeah.
What are you wearing?
What am I wearing?
Some trousers and a button-down shirt.
Oh, yes.
And glasses, too, I bet, right?
Yeah, I usually wear glasses.
I have a mild stigmatism.
Oh, yeah, I like nerds.
You're a nerd, aren't you?
A nerd?
Say it.
You're a nerd.
I don't know about a nerd, but I'm a political junkie.
Oh, yeah.
Junkies are hot.
Say the word stigmatism one more time, will you?
Stigmatism.
Is this a guy?
Because if it isn't, you could use a lozenge.
Yeah, it's a guy.
It's Jimmy Doerr.
You called me before.
You don't remember me?
Do you have a freakish hourglass figure, huge gargantuan fake breasts and duck lips?
No.
You never messaged me that you were in my neighborhood and that you were hot for me and only me and that it had to be tonight.
No, that's not me, buddy.
Okay, let me get this straight.
Did your Facebook picture feature you in a tight-fitting tube top that you took in a Yugoslavian restroom?
I don't think so.
And I really doubt I ever called you before.
Then why are you calling me now?
Um, I was just doing research.
Research on what?
On how to get free porn online and how to do it without anybody noticing, like your family.
Well, a whole lot of people noticed when you liked the porn tweet last night, Ted.
Let's get one thing straight here, Buster.
That wasn't me.
I never had sexual relations with that woman in that tweet.
But you liked it.
I want you to reassure the people of America that the offensive tweet was removed by my staff and placed in a special file for my later review tonight after I get home when the family's asleep and the dog is outside.
The dog?
The worst part of this whole affair is the weird look the dog gives you whenever you try to rub one out.
Do they think this is all just some sort of game?
Jesus, scream walk, walk just once in the middle of a release and you end up paying for the rest of your life.
And by you, I mean the collective you, not me, okay?
So you're still blaming this on a staffer?
Look, Dor, I'm just like everyone else.
I believe dildo should be illegal.
And I have a large staff of interns to research all the best, I mean, most offensive porn for me.
This is important research I'm doing.
In fact, I'm hoping to get a grant from the Chubb Group.
The Chubb Group?
Yes, they're a fine group of health insurance companies who handle a lot of dildo-related injuries.
By the way, I just sponsored a bill making it mandatory that all homeowners in Hurricane Force wind zones get dildo insurance.
I wasn't aware dildos pose such a threat to human life.
Oh, yeah.
Yesterday I saw a photo of a telephone pole impaled by a butt plug.
And it sent such shivers down my spine I had to put the dog out.
Oh shit, my long-suffering wife and the daughter refuses to love me just entered the basement.
Shut up.
I'm doing research.
Joy Ann Reed tweeted this out.
I find it absolutely amazing that people think a huge company like Comcast spends its time telling a weekend cable host what to say.
I find it completely believable that a multi-billion dollar international, multinational corporation would monitor the shit the people they hire to go on TV say.
Of course they do.
Of course they do.
You mean you just say all that stupid shit and they don't tell you?
So somebody called her out on it right away.
Somebody says, isn't that exactly what Sinclair Broadcast Group is trying to do?
Influence their on-air hosts.
And she says, actually, yes, that's an ideological driven company trying to push a conservative point of view.
Likewise, News Corp.
So it does exist.
Comcast, they don't have an ideological point of view.
They don't have a pro-corporate, pro-TPP point of view, which is why they fired Ed Schultz.
So she's trying to pretend that the people at MSNBC don't have a corporate view that they try to push on their hosts.
So she says, I assume Comcast is like most corporations run by conservatives.
She assumes it.
Doesn't know.
She's a reporter, but she's not sure about who runs her own fucking company that she works for.
She assumes it.
She's a reporter.
No, no, no, no, no.
The corporate media culture is real, but nobody tells me what to say.
So ignore everything else I said.
Ignore what Chomsky's research says.
Ignore what I just said.
Ignore the facts that are in the news today because even though it don't, who are you going to believe?
Me or your lying eyes?
That's what Joy Ann Reed is saying.
I don't know, Jimmy.
I'm convinced by this Twitter threat.
I think she is with it now, and I look forward to Joy Ann Reed's really, really hard-hitting piece on net neutrality that's going to be out tomorrow.
I guarantee it.
Stoked.
I just want to let Joy Ann Reed know this is from FAIR.
They talked about, they fired Phil Donahue, MSNBC, because he was against the Iraq War.
In fact, this is from Fear.
The fears led MSNBC to micromanage the Donahue show.
We know this happens, Joy.
This is how dumb Joy Ann Reed thinks her viewers are.
She thinks they're so dumb that they don't know that her bosses tell her what to fucking say.
Of course they do.
They tell you what not to say.
So Joy Ann Reed knows that.
Anyway, and she's read Chomsky, so she knows how this works.
So the fears led MSNBC to micromanage Phil Donahue's show, according to consumer advocate Ralph Nader, an associate of Donahue's.
He was often told what kinds of subjects to showcase and what kind of guests to have.
And he was often chided for being too tough on some guests.
In the past few months, the corporate suits even told Donahue that he had to have more conservatives or right-wing guests than liberals on the same hour show.
So that's going back.
That's Phil Donahue.
That's something we know about.
In fact, this is from also from Fair, the show whose ratings were considered disappointing.
So MSNBC, if you remember, this is the funny part about the firing of Phil Donahue, they said they fired him because his show had low ratings.
Turns out the show had the highest ratings on the network at the time.
So, though they were the best of any program on the channel, so his ratings, considered disappointing, were the best of any program on the channel.
He was canceled after an internal network study described Phil Donahue as, are you ready for this?
A tired left-wing liberal out of touch with the current marketplace who would be a difficult public face for NBC in a time of war.
So, they didn't want an anti-war guy on their network when we're getting ready to go to war in an illegal war.
We're getting ready to make the biggest foreign policy blunder in the history of the United States.
They wanted the guy who had it right to stay off the air, and they fired him because of it.
So, of course, that happens.
And Joyanne Reed knows that.
So, what Joy Ann Reed is doing is lying to you.
She's gaslighting her own viewers.
Oh, what?
They couldn't possibly tell a little old.
Why do they care what happens on their fucking news channel?
They don't tell a weekend host like she's doing like she's doing some kind of AM radio show in freaking Tijuana or something.
You're doing their flagship show at the moment you're on it.
Whenever you're on it, that's their show that they're showing.
If you're on MSNBC, Joy, that's the only thing they're broadcasting right then from coast to coast in every home that they're carried in.
They're not showing you while they're showing 15 other shows, Joy.
They're showing one show, and it's you.
And so, here's Jenk Uger to tell us how this all works out.
This is the TV moment or movie moment.
I got pulled in, and they told me, Hey, listen, we were just, or it was actually one specific person, the head of MSNBC.
He said, I was just in Washington, and people in Washington tell me that they're concerned about your tone.
I was like, Whoa, what you know, despite all the things that I've said about the mainstream media, I still view that as kind of like theoretical.
Like, a real person, are they really going to say that?
I was like, and I'm naively thinking, what does he mean?
Did he talk to his friend Bob in Washington?
Why wouldn't you say people in Washington if you meant, oh, yeah, I was talking to my buddy down at the shop about you?
It just happened to be that he was a person in Washington.
You wouldn't frame it that way, right?
But I'm still thinking that.
And then he gives me the second part of the speech: Hey, listen, Jank, outsiders are cool.
And they wear it.
I think he might have said something like, They wear leather jackets, they ride bikes.
I think I'm an outsider, I don't ride a bike, but I have a terrible leather jacket.
Anyway, he said, I'd love to be an outsider.
Outsiders are cool, but we're not.
We're insiders, we are the establishment.
And I just kind of sat back.
I was like, Wow, this is it.
This is the speech.
That's Jake Uger.
We just saw what happened to Phil Donahue.
Now, Joyanne Reed, you liar.
Here's some more.
Comcast killed the Ed Show for talking about the TPP.
According to Media Matters, between August 1st, 2013 and January 31st, 2015, Ed Schultz covered the TPP on 71 different segments, not including the time he brought it up, brought up the issues during the network's coverage of the State of the Union address in 2015.
The only other host who even mentioned the TPP during this same time period was Chris Hayes, who only mentioned it one time in passing on his show.
Way to go, Chris.
Thanks for fighting the good fight, buddy.
Thanks for letting your friend Ed Schultz get thrown under the bus for sticking up for net neutrality.
Thanks for letting him get thrown under the bus for sticking up for fair trade deals for workers.
Thanks for not standing up for your own country against predatory capitalism, which is what the TPP was.
Thanks, Chris.
Appreciate that.
The rest of the network's personalities remained completely silent on the issue during the 18-month period.
It has to be noted that Comcast, the company that owns MSNBC, is a big supporter of the TPP.
Comcast hired a phalanx of lobbyists to spearhead a targeted campaign to push for trade promotion authority, which recently passed.
So you think if Comcast is putting that much energy and money and lobbyists behind getting a bill passed, that they're going to let a guy go on TV and effectively use millions of dollars of airtime to lobby against their no.
And they didn't.
By the way, included among the individuals that Comcast was paying was former chief of staff for former House Majority Leader Eric Cantor.
That's from Alternate.
So I don't know what else would you like to say about, so I just want to expose Joy Ann Reed as much as I can.
You know, I have a little show here.
I'm not, I don't have a major multinational corporation pushing my BS.
I don't have powerful politicians pushing my BS.
I don't have Rachel Maddow pretending like I'm not a Cretan.
I don't have Chris Hayes pretending like I'm not a Cretan.
I don't have that.
All I have is this.
So I just want to let people know who these people are because these other people shaping the narrative, shaping the debate.
And I want you to know what's their real motivation.
Now, if Joy Ann Reed took that job and she remained exactly the same and was just as critical as Hillary Clinton as she'd always been, called her insane and pointed out what a crazy, narcissistic sociopath she actually is and a warmonger, if she would have done that, she would be fired.
She wouldn't be there anymore.
And she knows that, which is why she doesn't do that, which is why she says the garbage she says, which is why she keeps cashing those million-dollar checks.
And she gets to be famous.
So I get that.
I'm willing to do that too.
They're not calling.
So I just want you to know, though, so when I say something, you know, it's coming from here.
And you know, it's not coming from my wallet.
Right?
So if I say something, and even if you disagree with it, it's because it's how I truly feel or believe, or maybe I'm wrong, but I'm not saying something wrong because I'm being paid to say something wrong.
I'm not saying something incorrect because I'm afraid I'll lose my job if I don't say it.
I'm not censoring myself.
That's really what happens, too.
You have to censor.
We showed how Ali Veshi was on MSNBC pretended not to really understand how net neutrality works.
Remember that, Ron?
Ali Vesci.
And you know that guy knows how it works.
He knows it better than I know how it works.
And that's why I know that they know because I know I'm dumber than those guys.
And those guys are much more informed.
And so when I can see through their bullshit, I know they're bullshitting.
And I know that everybody else can see through it too if they tried for a second.
And I'm not doing this because I, in fact, I'm trying to get away from personal attacks on this show because it makes me feel uncomfortable.
After I do it, I walk away and I start questioning me.
It's like, oh, I shouldn't have said that.
I shouldn't do that.
I want to talk more about issues and not about people, but this is issues.
And the issue is the corrupting influence of corporate cash and people's willingness to sell out.
So if you ever see me saying stuff like Joy Ann Reed says, you know, I sold out.
You know I took the money.
You know I took the money and fame and the first class plane tickets and the five-star hotel rooms and the million-dollar everything and the parties in the Hamptons and the Manhattan apartment.
The more I talk like this, the more I wish someone would offer.
Because that sounds great.
I understand why they do it.
Oh, my God.
Please, Phil Griffin, call me.
I'll fucking, I'll turn on anybody.
Hey, you know our friends, Dave Anthony and Graham Elwood.
You know, they're friends of the show.
Graham Elwood is the political vigilante.
Dave Anthony does the Dollop podcast.
Together, they both produce the LA Pod Festival.
That's right, the LA Podcast Festival.
And they've invited the Jimmy Doer show.
So that's fantastic.
It's October 6th, 7th, and 8th.
We're doing a live Jimmy Doors show there.
That's right, October 6th, 7th, and 8th.
We're doing a live Jimmy Door show there.
But there's also lots of other great shows there, right?
So there's the My Favorite Murder, which is an ass-kicking podcast.
They'll be doing a live one.
Dave Anthony's the dollop.
There's the Jackie and Laura show.
There's so many great podcasts that are going to be doing live shows there.
Go to la podfest.com to get tickets.
That's la podfest.com.
That's how you get your tickets.
I'm going to be there.
The Jimmy Dor show will be there.
We look forward to seeing and meeting our fans.
We get to meet you.
It's fantastic.
And you get to see lots of other great kick-ass podcasts going live.
So go to la Podfest.com.
That's October 6th, 7th, and 8th.
See you there.
Hey, everybody.
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I keep forgetting you like to ask those kinds of questions of me.
How are you going to do this?
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This interview is over.
This interview is over.
I have our special guest, friend of the show, author of What's the Matter with Kansas and Listen Liberal, which needed an exclamation point at the end.
It's Thomas Frank is with us.
Hi, Thomas.
Hey, Jimmy, how are you?
Oh, it's great to have you back.
Thanks for being on the show.
Now, we're here to talk about, because you wrote a review in The Guardian about Hillary Clinton's new book, What Happened.
And I say that that book title, the front of her book, is the question and the answer.
What happened?
Hillary Clinton.
That's what happened.
So now you reviewed it.
Now, I didn't get an advanced copy.
You got an advanced copy.
So tell me about the Hillary Clinton book.
A lot of people are beating up on her, saying she doesn't take responsibility.
Does she take responsibility?
No, she does not.
She does not.
Although, interestingly enough, throughout the book, she claims that she is taking responsibility.
A big part of the book is...
I'm a grown-up.
I can take responsibility.
And it was all these other guys' fault.
Seriously, one statement will just follow the other one, basically.
But she is, the book is clearly a therapeutic exercise for her.
The first two chapters are just filled with like a description of her coming through the weeks after the election, you know, as kind of a mourning period, but more than more than that.
I mean, this is, you know, and I just skipped all that.
I didn't go into any of that.
Any of her recommendations for dealing with this horrible situation, you know, that the country is now in the hands of Donald Trump.
Oh, man.
So tell us what you, how did you find the book?
I mean, so she doesn't take responsibility, even though she says she is.
And then she goes, so it says, that's the thing that kind of bothers me is that people are giving her a pass to do that.
And this turns out.
Because she says it, then she is.
No, just because you say it doesn't make it true, of course.
No, she, the book, there's three main culprits that she focuses on in the book, and then a whole host of lesser ones.
And some of her observations are interesting, Jimmy.
Let's not just brush it all off.
I mean, she was at the center of this, the eye of this particular hurricane, you know.
And I mean, but you just have to keep asking yourself the question, how do you lose to Donald Trump?
I mean, you know, how does that happen?
You know, most unpopular presidential candidate of all time.
He's out there giving her gift after gift, you know, alienating this constituency and that.
And I've told this joke, it's not really a joke.
It's an observation on your show before, but it's as though the guy was going around on the campaign trail with a little checklist in his pocket of all the different demographic groups in America, all the different big voting blocks, and how he was going to go down it and insult them all, one after another.
It's like, veterans, have I insulted veterans yet?
Handicapped people, you know, and Mexicans, of course.
Muslims, that's a big one.
You know, on and on and on.
And it's like, wow, that's how this guy is running for president.
This is, this is a, you know, this is a colossal train wreck.
And then insulting, you know, the beauty queen, Miss America, or whatever she was, the groping, I mean, the access holiday, it goes on and on.
Okay, I'm getting off on the wrong track.
We're talking about Hillary Clinton here.
How do you lose to a guy like this, though?
That is a, it's a really good question.
And she does have some insight into it, but most of it is, as I said before, is her blaming these three big villains who are namely James Comey, the FBI, James Comey's, you know, investigation of her.
The letter, right?
She really points to the letter.
The letter especially, but the whole, she thinks that the whole investigation of her emails was essentially illegitimate, of her emails as Secretary of State was essentially illegitimate.
Second of all is the Russians, because she, you know, yeah, well, right, like everybody else, and she thinks that they leaked the email, her campaign emails and the DNC emails to WikiLeaks and that this had an enormous impact on the election, I think all of which is in dispute, especially the last part.
I mean, even if the Russians did do it, that was not, in my mind, an important part of, you know, the conversation.
It was massively overshadowed by Trump at the time by the Comey.
They think the Comey thing is legitimate.
That really did hurt her pretty badly.
Well, let me ask you.
Let me ask you about the third one, Jimmy.
Okay.
The media.
The media was so against her.
Yeah.
You know what grounds?
You know how she comes to that conclusion?
No.
Because they took the FBI, the email story, the thing about her State Department emails, they took that story as a legitimate news item and they treated it as a legitimate news item and everybody could see it was it was bullshit.
And so, yeah, so that's that was that was clear media bias against her.
And hilariously, she doesn't give all that many examples of this, but she does quote from a lot of media people standing up for her, which is, you know, there's hundreds of these, right?
Or dozens of them anyway.
And I thought that was kind of amusing.
She quotes the media to prove, you know, them agreeing with her that the media is biased against her.
It's pretty funny.
Well, so that's the thing I can't get over how she gets, she's allowed to speak out of both sides of her mouth on the book tour.
Again, I haven't read the book.
I haven't had access to the book, but she's saying she tries to compliment Bernie.
She pretends to compliment Bernie Sanders and then sticks a shiv in him and calls him misogynist and calls him all that stuff.
So I just wanted to get back to the second point you made, was that the Russian hacking her emails.
Now, I don't know if you saw this.
Podesta's emails specifically, Podesta and the DNC.
Right.
So Carl Sagan has one of my favorite quotes.
He said, if it can be destroyed by the truth, it deserves to be destroyed by the truth.
Yeah, yeah, yeah.
And so what happened with those emails, nobody doctored those emails.
Those emails were just the truth.
That shows the inner workings of her campaign.
It also showed her to be in collusion with the DNC, which was against their charter.
It showed that Debbie Wasserman Schultz was lying when she would go on TV and say that she was neutral.
They weren't neutral and they stacked the deck.
They rigged it, not only overtly, but covertly against a progressive, right?
Because we all know that the whole point of the DNC now and the DLC and is to make sure a progressive doesn't get the nomination.
That's the whole point.
Well, look, the only thing I would add to that is that, first of all, that this is, in my mind, this was a perfectly legitimate news story.
I mean, the New York Times, you know, you go back over the long history of journalism and reporters will use documents that they have got their hands on by, I mean, they don't even ask how they got the documents, you know?
this is how journalism is practiced in this country.
And there's often, The only item from the emails that really made it onto the front pages of the papers were her Goldman Sachs speeches, which was a big deal.
But unfortunately for Trump, that story came out the very same day, or I think like the day, right, right, either right before or right after the Access Hollywood tape came out.
And so, you know, as long as you're going along and complaining about, you know, all the terrible things that were done to you, Jesus Christ, Trump, man, this guy.
If Hillary gets to complain about that, does Trump get to complain about all the gaffes and stupid things that he did?
You know, it's just, you know, what a carnival of mistakes.
And ultimately, you have to, and this is where the story gets interesting if you ask me.
Ultimately, you have to go to the larger picture.
You know, what's going on in America circa 2016.
And this is, it is obviously a populist year.
You know, it is obviously an anti-establishment year.
People are rising.
People are angry as hell.
And we've seen this in the past, but it's happening again in 2016.
And Hillary cannot see how massively she, by the way, to her credit, I think, tries to wrestle with this because, you know, so many of her supporters, so many of her supporters are completely in denial that the working class is deserting the Democratic Party, that they have any kind of legitimate beef with anyone.
This is simply not happening.
They love to say this.
Hillary doesn't take that route.
She acknowledges that it is happening and spends a lot of time in the book trying to understand why it's happening.
Now, unfortunately, if you ask me, and you are asking me, her reasoning always runs off the track at the same point because she can't acknowledge that she, that they have any legitimate complaint about her.
She can't acknowledge that people have any legitimate complaint about her husband, whom she, now we know, admires like so enormously.
You know, she thinks he's one of the greatest, the man rescued the Democratic Party.
The man remade politics in this country and he balanced the budget.
And she just thinks he's the greatest thing in the world.
And so if you're trying to understand populism and your first step is that the answer is the answer can't find any fault in the Democratic Party, you're not going to get very far.
And so she doesn't get very far.
But to her credit, she tries.
By the way, she mentions me at one point in the book.
I was surprised by this.
She apparently read either What's the Matter with Kansas or some other essay I wrote way back when and is mildly intrigued by it.
Just a name check, but I was surprised anyway.
Just getting back to that second point where she blames Russia and the Podesta emails and the WikiLeaks.
They've said they try to have it both ways.
I've seen the Washington Post report it that, in fact, in a story I was included in, they said what the Bernie Sanders people overlook is that those emails were largely banal.
So she actually wrote a story about the banality of them because do you remember this?
No.
Nobody remembers this.
The Podesta emails were just a goldmine of funny little details about Washington life.
And one of them was what intrigued me, all the people who sent in resumes to Podesta.
And why was that funny?
Nobody cares about this anymore, but I thought that was pretty humorous.
Why?
They were all angling for jobs.
Either at whatever his think tank is or on the campaign or in the forthcoming Clinton administration or in the Clinton Foundation.
And he was, you know, this was the machine in action.
All these people knew that that's what you had to do to get to get hired in Washington, D.C. He was at the center of it.
But those emails, they revealed that the DNC was in collusion with Hillary Clinton.
That's a different set, by the way.
That's the DNC leak.
That was a different batch.
And what's her name?
Had to resign.
What was her name?
Debbie Washerman Schultz.
Yes, from Florida.
Yeah.
Yeah, because they had clearly had their finger on the scale.
When she goes after Bernie as a misogynist, and she goes, well, she implies that his attacks led to misogyny and her supporters attacked.
Because again, all I can go on is.
Oh, yeah, she does reference the Bernie Bros.
Basically, Jimmy, do you remember that story I wrote for Harper's about the Washington Post and Bernie Sanders?
Yeah.
It was a long list of like every, well, I read every op-ed and editorial they ran that even mentioned Bernie Sanders in a certain time period.
And every kind of attack on Bernie Sanders, a lot of them, you know, really inaccurate, found its way into print there.
And basically, Hillary Clinton, you know, if you want to understand her views, it's those views.
It's whatever they were saying on the op-ed pages of the New York Times, whatever they were saying on the op-ed pages of the Washington Post, that's what she says.
There is no daylight between them.
Although then she, of course, one thing she likes to complain about, oh no, they complain about the media too.
That's part of their story, but she loves to complain about the media.
But yes, she does reference the Bernie Bros.
And she goes after Bernie quite a bit.
It's there, I think, two pages got leaked earlier.
It actually goes, she goes on and on and on and on and on about it.
And I thought this was the worst part of the book.
I mean, I thought this, I was embarrassed to read it.
Really?
And the reason I was embarrassed for Hillary, because it's so churlish.
This is a man that it's his right to run against her.
That's democracy.
That's how the system is set up.
He's totally within his rights to run against her.
And when he was defeated, he endorsed her and he campaigned around the country for her.
And I was at the Democratic convention where his supporters made their last stand and they were all crying and everything.
And yes, he cast the deciding vote to make her the Democratic Party candidate.
And he did what he was supposed to do.
He was a good soldier and he played by the rules.
And for her to do this now after the fact, I think is really churlish.
Really, it's not gracious.
It's the opposite of gracious.
So what I've been pointing out to people is that she won the primary.
This is the epitome of being a sore winner.
She's a sore winner.
She won the primary and she goes back to blame the guy she beat.
Yeah, I know.
Isn't that the craziest thing?
It's all upside down.
So let me ask you, Thomas, in the book.
Can I just show you something, Jimmy?
Yeah.
So this is, here, I'll turn the light on here so you can see it.
So I decided, I didn't get around to doing this because, of course, my review was only 800 words.
Okay.
But I was going to compare her book about it to William Jennings Bryan's book about the 1896 campaign after he lost.
The first battle.
You can see my sticky notes in it.
And of course, I didn't have any space to do that in.
But there's a fascinating difference between these two.
So Brian is both, by the way, Hillary claims repeatedly in the book that she's a very humble person, that she doesn't like to talk about herself.
This is on memoir number three.
It's actually four if you count It Takes a Village as a memoir, you know.
A big part of it is.
But it's like she's always like, I don't like to talk about myself.
So the book starts, you skip the first two chapters, which are all about her therapeutic regime after her defeat.
And you feel really sorry for her.
It's really terrible.
And then she starts at the beginning.
Why did I want to be president?
And she says, I wanted to be president because I thought I'd be good at the job.
And then a little while later, she says, because I thought I wanted to be president.
I'm not paraphrasing here.
This is not a direct quote.
She wants to run for president because it's a chance to, or she wants to be president because it's a chance to do the most good that she will ever get to do in her life.
And she says this a number of times in the book, this thing about doing good.
And there's a weird thing about Hillary Clinton, a very smart person, very well-intentioned person.
I don't think she understands that the phrase do-gooder is pejorative in the English language.
I don't think she knows that.
I think she thinks it's like, you know, this is what we call people that we really admire.
I don't know.
It's really weird.
Anyhow, so after saying that, after saying this, this is why she wants to run for president.
This is a chance to do the most good that she could ever have.
She says, so then, you know, I'm going to run for president.
So I call up all of these policy gurus and I ask them, you know, what are the problems and how should I go about solving them?
So basically, she decides she's going to run for president.
And then she calls up a bunch of experts and like, you know, give me some issues.
You know, it's exactly the opposite of the way it usually works.
Usually it's the opposite.
The issues come first and then the candidate comes second.
You know, the candidate, you know, he's supposed to be, he or she is supposed to be a servant of the issues or the interest, you know, whatever people that he's supposed to be serving, like William Jennings Bryan.
So Brian is obviously a man with a towering ego, but he doesn't write it that way in his book.
No, it's all about the cause, the cause being, of course, free silver.
And behind that, you know, the status of the working people of America.
But he's utterly, selflessly dedicated to this cause.
And it's fascinating to me that that's it's the exact reverse with Hillary, that she comes first and the causes come second.
And in fact, this is a theme in the book is she makes up these, she likes to talk in lists, these long lists of policies that she is in favor of and problems that need to be solved.
And I guess she finds this like a really convincing and persuasive way to talk.
But believe me, it is exactly the opposite of that.
It's like a way to bury, you know, an issue so that nobody ever notices it.
And it's completely technocratic and passionless.
It's the opposite of Brian in a lot of ways.
Boy, that's a great, that's a nice observation that she ran her campaign the opposite.
She didn't have a burning passion.
She didn't have a vision.
Right, right.
In fact, at one point, she criticizes Bernie.
I thought this was very telling.
She said, she says he was outraged about everything.
And it's like, yeah.
He was.
He was.
And you know why?
Because things were outrageous.
And so at some point in the book, and this is when she's putting Bernie down and she just throws this off and walks away.
And at some point, much later on in the book, and she's going down to defeat.
And I guess they started to realize that she was in trouble towards the end.
And she's like, you know, maybe I should have been, maybe I should have been out.
I forget exactly what it's in my Guardian review.
I quoted her, but maybe I should have had some outrage.
Maybe I should have had some passion.
And of course, by that time, it's way too late.
Wow.
You know, it's the one way of putting, I wanted to call the story this, but of course, news, you know, news newspapers call your story whatever they want.
But I wanted to call it the Twilight of the Technocrats because this is really, this is the technocratic idea, you know, given every advantage that you can have.
She outraised Trump to outspent Trump two to one, by the way.
You know, all of these complaints that Democrats make about the fundraising system, she wailed on Trump in fundraising.
She had the endorsements of nearly every newspaper in this country.
Trump had, I think, two newspapers or something.
One of them was a Topeka newspaper, by the way.
Anyhow, she had every possible advantage going into this thing.
This candidate keeps blowing his own toes off, you know, one after another, making these incredible mistakes.
And the technocratic style can't bring it home.
The technocratic approach to politics, where it's all this, you know, passionless reciting of issues and promises to this group and that.
And, you know, I have the best resume of all the candidates.
And Hillary was, you know, the resume candidate, as Barack Obama famously said, the most qualified candidate ever to run for the presidency.
And this approach completely fails.
Fails.
I mean, she's got these pollsters, the micro-targeting.
She's got the big data.
She's got Eric Schmidt for being single from Google, right?
From Google, yeah.
And he's in the book, by the way.
And he's still in her book regarded as heroic.
This is before the latest news came out.
And yeah, she's got all these people.
She keeps going to Cheryl Sandberg, you know, an officer at Facebook.
And she's got the, you know, you didn't go to the Democratic Convention, but you saw that.
Yes, I did.
I was at the DNC, Thomas.
And what I did see was that they brought, they didn't let Nina Turner speak, but they did let a billionaire who instituted the fascist stop and search in New York City.
Bloomberg.
Bloomberg, he was welcomed on stage, but not Nina Turner.
You know who else was welcomed?
Welon Panetta, who famously giggled over how many shooting wars that we're in when he was asked by Scott Pelley on 60 Minutes, hey, how many shooting wars are we currently in?
And he started laughing and he goes, I have to stop and think about it like it's a big joke.
So when the anti-war wing of the Democratic Party started to protest him, the DNC thought it was smart to turn off the lights on them and have sound cannons pan.
So you remember that.
You remember that.
I was there.
Further, do you remember the Marine Corps general who gave a speech at the convention?
Do you remember this?
And it was a very, not bloodthirsty, but it was like the speech by General Patton, you know, that starts that movie.
It was in that tone, in that vein.
And where I, people gasped.
There was an audible gasp in the auditorium when this guy started talking that way.
But that's, yeah, she had every advantage that you can have in American politics and blew it.
And that's extraordinary.
Well, today's a very important day.
Bernie Sanders just officially introduced his Medicare for All Act, which is now backed by 16 other senators.
So we're going to talk with Senator Sheridan Brown because I wanted his take on this since he opposes government-run health care.
Yellow.
Hey, Senator, it's Jimmy Door of the Jimmy Door Show.
Hey, Jimmy.
I'm glad you contacted me on this momentous day.
I'm sure it has a special place in the hearts of all Americans, and I share their enthusiasm and dedication when it comes to improving the lives of all citizens.
Wow, I thought you were part of the opposition.
I guess I was wrong.
My apologies.
What changed your mind on this?
Too many years have gone by with our government ignoring simple common sense action that can improve the lives of millions of Americans regardless of their economic status.
That's really surprising to hear you say that.
Yes.
And that's why today I've joined with other senators to support this important bill to recognize National Peanut Day as a national holiday.
National Peanut Day, but I was talking about Bernie Sanders' rollout of the Medicare for All bill.
And I was talking about National Peanut Day, dedicated to the mighty and tasty peanut.
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