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Well, we had wanted to chat with White House Communications Director Anthony Scaramucci at some point, but you know, I know I'm sure you're aware he was let go a few days ago, but I guess it's better late than never.
We were able to get him on the phone earlier.
Have a listen, Mr. Scaramucci.
Yeah, babe, who's this?
This is Jimmy Door from the Jimmy Door Show.
Hey, Jimmy, how are you?
I'm fine.
I guess the question is: how are you doing?
Hey, not bad, not bad.
Well, I'm glad to hear that considering you were fired from the White House after 10 days.
Hey, Jimmy, easy come, easy go, right?
That's how it is in the life.
The life, yeah, the life inside the Trump White House.
Being one of the guys, the troublemakers, the dealers.
I was one of them, even for just a brief moment.
I was one of the fellas, part of a crew.
We did what we wanted.
We didn't care if the media didn't like it.
Fuck the media.
We ran things how we saw fit.
It was our thing.
And if you didn't like it, you were shit out of luck.
You were only there like 10 days.
10 days, 10 years?
It doesn't matter.
The golden ticket is to get inside the Trump White House at all.
It doesn't matter for how long.
Ten days is like a lifetime on the outside, with all the schnooks and losers riding the subway to work, to some crappy job like a Fanuc eating hamburger helper.
A Fanook.
Okay, well, what was it like?
It was like being on top of the world, Jimmy.
People were getting hired and fired like crazy, sure, but it was a well-oiled machine.
Everything ran like clockwork.
Bannon was in charge.
He was the guy that gave all the orders.
See, every morning, Bannon would set the agenda for the day.
That's why he's the least public figure.
He doesn't want to be seen.
He's the brains behind the operation.
Stephen Miller ran a crew directly under him.
Took orders from Bannon and nobody else.
But in addition to Miller, there was the Trump family, his sons, and Jared and Blondie.
They were in charge of influencing executive policy outside of Congress, federal agencies and whatnot.
Reel off the books type shit.
Eric Croak and Dagger.
Then there was a whole crew dedicated to the legislative agenda.
I didn't know those guys very well.
I never ran into them, but they were busy and we were supposed to stay out of their way.
But I was in charge of communications, connecting to the media, and into the Trump White House.
The job I was born to do, and I was the fucking best.
The first thing I did was get rid of that hump spicer.
And once I settled into my office, I convinced Bannon that Reince Priebus was next in line to get whacked.
He gave the go-ahead.
It was a done deal, just like that.
Everybody called him Reince Penis.
No one even thinks about him anymore.
So then I got Sarah Huckabee Sanders dealing with media on a daily basis.
She's combative and wearing some Ming the Merciless dress every day.
She's got the media so fucking turned around that we could have nuked North Korea.
No one would have been the wiser.
But no, most importantly, the boss was happy.
Trump?
No, Bannon.
Where's Trump in on all this?
I don't know.
Wandering around, giving speeches.
The truth is, Trump checked out halfway through his presidential campaign.
Just like his real estate ventures, he basically slapped a Trump name on the presidency and let actual guys do the work.
As long as he got the credit, he was happy.
We could do whatever we wanted.
I used to say the boss was trying to suck his own big publicly just as a smokescreen.
And that would create a diversion.
Trump loved it.
And Bannon knew exactly what I was doing.
I talked about cocksucking, and meanwhile, ICE is breaking up families all over America.
and the bass is eating it up with a knife and a fork.
Ah!
Why did you get fired then?
Jimmy, look, all good things must come to an end.
Some new guy came in, and I got canned.
Live by the store, die by the sword.
But at the end of the day, I can say I was part of the Trump White House.
That's like being able to say you were in Led Zeppelin or a Knight of the Roundtable or you banged Queen Elizabeth after she got married.
I can write my own ticket from here on out, you see?
Well, what do you think you'll do next?
I don't know.
Start a podcast?
Fuck it.
Okay, well, Mr. Scaramucci, thanks for talking with us.
As long as I can remember, I've always wanted to be a podcaster.
Thank you.
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Hi, everybody.
I'm here with the Miserable Liberal and Ron Placone.
Hello.
Howdy, how you?
So I saw this article in New.
First of all, it's happening again.
They're starting to smear preemptively Bernie Sanders three years ahead of the election.
They're online on Twitter.
Here's an article from Newsweek.
It sounds interesting, right?
It says, Bernie Sanders says Democrats still too conservative after he nearly won the nomination.
I'm like, oh, look at Newsweek writing a pro-Bernie, and they're going to tell the truth about what's wrong with the Democratic Party.
Newsweek, I was like shocked.
Newsweek, Newsweek used to employ Kurt Eichenwald.
But if you read it, turns out it's not so much a pro-Bernie.
So here's what they're saying.
Again, it's happening again.
So this is like paragraph three.
And despite Sanders partaking in a unity tour with DNC Chairman Tom Perez, some Democrats are concerned he isn't committed to helping the party rebuild.
For example, Sanders has not given the DNC his email list from the campaign.
So do you understand what this is?
Do you understand why Bernie Sanders did not give the DNC his email list?
They want him, why do they want his email list?
So they can send everybody a birthday present on that?
No, they want his email list so they can bombard those people with fundraising emails to fund the DNC, the very DNC which betrayed the Democratic base, the progressives, and cheated Bernie Sanders, the progressive, out of the nomination.
That's why he won't do that because it would be an unbelievable slap in the face to his supporters.
Because I get those goddamn emails from the DNC, and they're disgusting.
They're empty.
They're all about give us money so we can fight Russia.
It's gross what they're doing.
They're doing the exact opposite of what Bernie Sanders wanted them to do, which is reform, get rid of their corporate money and become a party of the people again.
That's not happening.
So Bernie Sanders is not committed to helping the party rebuild.
He's 100% committed to helping the party rebuild.
It's you corporate motherfuckers who are rejecting the reform.
That's what is, am I wrong?
That's what's going on, right?
I don't understand what the Democratic establishment wants from the guy.
I mean, he has played their game more than I would have liked to have seen him play it, quite frankly.
I mean, he does outreach for them.
He did the unity tour.
He's handed them a platform that if they just took it, they could win.
He's played the game.
Just because he's had the eye next to his name forever, that's not enough for them.
He won't give them his email list.
Isn't there something structurally where you can't do that?
I mean, don't you usually promise someone when they give you, you give them your email and you say this will not be distributed under any circumstance?
Isn't that disclaimer usually there?
So morally and, you know, lawfully, he shouldn't do anything like that anyway.
And they're still bitching that he won't.
Ron, everything you say is on point.
Yeah, he did everything they asked him to.
He endorsed Hillary Clinton.
I saw the speech.
It was gross.
It was hard.
And he encouraged everyone to vote for her.
And he didn't run third party and he didn't run as an independent.
And Hillary lost anyway.
Here's more of this article.
The fact that Tom Perez has given Sanders a platform without Sanders genuinely agreeing to work toward unity has made a mockery of the whole process.
Oh, you know what?
Can I stop really quickly, Jimmy?
I think Tom Perez, his being in that position.
That's divisive.
That's the mockery.
That's the mockery.
That's the divisiveness.
That's the guy.
Oh, can I make one other small interjection?
Bernie Sanders gave Tom Perez a platform, not the other way.
Maybe not in the sense of power.
Exactly.
But in the sense of the people that showed up that gave a shit.
Bernie Sanders gave Tom Perez a platform.
Bernie Sanders was the headlining event in that unity tour.
Everybody knows it, too.
That's why Tom Perez could barely speak for five minutes until people got sick of him and he got booed.
I couldn't agree with you more.
Let's read that again.
The fact that Tom Perez has given Sanders a platform without Sanders genuinely agreeing to work toward unity has made a mockery of the whole process and literally and literally divided the party more than it was before the tour.
More than it was before the tour.
So Bernie Sanders going out and talking about progressive ideas.
If that divides the Democratic Party, then fuck the Democratic Party.
What's wrong with those people?
You know, Bernie Sanders is the most popular politician in the country by far by a factor of like 20 to 30 points.
The next one closest is Elizabeth Warren.
He's at like a 67 approval rating.
She's at somewhere.
It is unbelievable that the corporate Democrats are hanging on this hard.
By the way, who said this?
There's more to this quote.
It has been a disaster.
And who said that?
Marcos Muladis.
Well, how would you say, or however you say his last Greek name?
The founder of the influential liberal Daily Co-side.
Again, not liberal, corporate.
That guy is a corporatist.
He is not a liberal.
He is not a progressive.
He's a corporatist who's cool with gay people and abortion.
That's who he is.
And you know what's funny is he was the same guy who, if you go back to his post when Hillary Clinton was running against Barack Obama, he was ripping Hillary Clinton.
It's amazing how they switched.
Isn't that amazing?
He got his mind right.
Letting Sanders make a mockery of the party doesn't exactly help build in the long haul.
Making a mockery of the party.
Bernie Sanders is basically the stadium rock show that just let a really shitty opener on board with and they're still complaining.
He literally divided the party.
Literally.
Okay, you can't literally divide the party.
All right, let's just be clear there.
And it's bad.
That's just bad.
And secondly, what is divisive about what Bernie Sanders is doing?
He won't give us to the email list, or he keeps talking about progressive ideas.
That's it.
He keeps demanding that the corporations release the stranglehold from the Democratic Party.
That's divisive.
So they don't say how he divides.
They just say he's being divisive by talking about stuff people like.
And what guys like that Marcos guy wants you to do is shut up and eat another shit sandwich.
Shut up and eat another shit sandwich.
And what this is, again, is punching left in hopes that we'll fall in line.
You're going to fucking lose again, Marcos.
Losing to Donald Trump wasn't humiliating.
It wasn't humiliation because he's a corporatist.
So all those people keep all the same jobs and all the same money and all whatever it is.
So again, Marcos would rather lose to Donald Trump than let Bernie Sanders be a winner.
That is a fact.
So now you know who that guy is.
And he's been that way a long time.
And he got his mind right because he used to be on board.
He used to see through Hillary Clinton when she ran against Barack Obama.
But all of a sudden, couple of uranium deals with Russia and the Libyan war and some more nefarious shit and some emails.
Oh, a couple more of that.
And she got better somehow to a guy like him.
So these people, he's like a Joyan Reed.
Joy Ann Reed, same thing.
They completely flipped.
And they're anti-progressive.
That's anti.
This is your aunt.
People call me a dino.
First of all, I'm not a Democrat.
Dino means Democrat in name only.
He's not even a Democrat.
You're a Republican.
That's a Republican.
These guys, if you like Hillary Clinton, you're a fucking Republican because that's what she is.
She's a warmongering corporatist whose policies led to the deregulation of Wall Street, the explosion of the prison population, the decimation of welfare and the surveillance state and the Iraq war and exporting fracking around the world.
So there's more to this.
This is, I thought, again, I knew Newsweek couldn't do it.
This is gross, right?
It is.
I just wanted to say that I thought Marcos is making a mockery of journalism.
Well, I wouldn't call him a journalist.
He runs a website or whatever.
I do like the message of the Democratic establishment, though.
Shut the fuck up and unite.
P.S. Trump is all your fault.
And please, corporate media, give me another article about how progressives are the non-civil ones.
Please tell me again.
Yes.
It's amazing.
It's amazing.
But this is how Republicans campaign or run a campaign.
And now the corporate Democrats are exactly the same.
They smear and punch the left.
You're supposed to try to get people's votes.
You're not supposed to try to shame people into voting.
That, guess what?
Didn't work.
You lost to Donnie Tonahantz.
Doesn't work.
And they're doubling down on this horrible strategy.
There's a little bit more to this article.
Former DNC chairwoman Donna Brazil told Political that the party shouldn't lean on Sanders unless he is more willing to work with the Democrats.
She has it backwards.
Again, you have a, you guys need Bernie.
Bernie doesn't need your fucking dumpster fire of a party that is wiped out at every level.
Again, this is exactly what we've been saying on this show.
They'd rather lose to Trump than win with the progressive.
That's the divisive part of the Democratic Party.
These motherfuckers who are Republicans who want you to keep voting for them because they have the name Democrat.
That's what's wrong with this party.
This party's completely corrupted and everyone knows it.
And they have zero solutions.
Zero.
And the only thing they could do is tell you, shut up when you keep pointing out the problems in the Democratic Party.
That's more of the same.
Shut up.
Shut up and fall in line.
That's what Republicans do, asshole.
That's not what we do.
Get ready to fucking lose again.
This is Donna Brazil talking.
He's not someone who we should go to to build or rebuild or expand our party unless he's willing.
What more do you want from him?
How is he not willing?
He endorsed Hillary.
He went on a unity tour.
He's doing outreach for you guys.
What more do you want?
They can't think, Bron, they couldn't possibly take responsibility for being a party that is in the shithouse.
They couldn't take responsibility.
Donna Brazil's not going to take these people have zero character.
Zero integrity less.
She's willing to start World War III to cover up for how shitty of a campaign she lost.
She was on the Dukakis campaign.
She was on El Gore's campaign.
And now she's on the Hillary Clinton campaign.
Donna Brazil's a three-time fucking loser who has sold this country down the river for personal gain, just like the rest of them.
This is for personal gain.
You don't shit on a progressive out of a sense of decency or ideology.
You do it because you're fucking bought and a corporatist.
That's why.
And your knee jerk is you're a Republican.
I also want to add that the idea that you're going to come and tell me that Bernie Sanders is divisive, you can go fuck yourself.
Because the fact of the matter is, I can't trust Democrats.
I can't trust the leadership.
I can't trust Chuck Schumer.
I don't want to listen from, I don't want to hear from Donna Brazil.
I don't want to hear from Debbie Washman Schultz.
I don't want to hear from someone who rigged the primary against Bernie Sanders.
And now you wag your finger at Bernie Sanders as the problem when you guys went on to lose to Trump.
And it's not, I guess these people aren't going away.
So I guess the Democratic Party is just going to suck.
They suck right now.
And if they win, it's all, it's a goof that they win House seats or Senate seats.
It's because the Republicans are that fucking bad.
And that's what they're counting on.
That's what the, so when Marco, Marcos Mulaglava tweets this out, the alt left is no longer the Bernie wing alt left.
No, you're the no, no, no, no.
You're the alt left.
We're the actual left.
You're the Republican in Democrat clothing.
We're the actual left.
You're not a fucking lefty.
You can't be supporting this corporate sellout.
And so he calls the progressives.
By the way, still, 80% of the party is in favor of Bernie Sanders.
93%.
There's only 8% of the Democratic Party who has a strong dislike for Bernie Sanders.
We call them the hate percent.
That's who this guy is.
This guy's 8%.
That's who these people are.
They have a loud voice because they have websites and they have MSNBC and they have CNN and the Washington Post and New York Times and they have Mother Jones and all that other shit.
But they're just a small percentage of people.
That's the 8%.
93% of the party is on board with Bernie Sanders.
80%, he's the most popular guy.
These are fucking losers.
Marcos is a loser, loser.
And he wants to screw you and he wants to screw progressives.
Yes.
That's who he is.
He wants to shut you up and screw progressives and he's smearing them constantly.
That's what this is.
That's no character.
That's a gutless, integrity-less motherfucker.
Why don't you run on what your corporatist platform is?
No, you don't because it's shit.
You have to smear left.
And that's what this is.
And you're smearing, by the way, the greater percentage of the Democratic bait.
That used to be called the base.
Now you call them the alt-left because you're so corrupted.
You're so empty.
You're such a gigantic loser that you can't even face yourself.
That's cowardly.
And that's what this is.
That's cowardly.
That's cowardly.
You're smearing a guy who stands for all the right things.
So now you know why we don't have more Bernie Sanders because dicks like this smear them.
I'm here with one of my favorite writers, great journalist Adam Johnson.
He writes for fair, fairness, and accuracy in reporting and also for alternate.
Do you still respect those people who are in mainstream news?
I think it's about proportionality.
I am not a, I think it's entirely possible that Russia hacked the DNC servers.
I think it's probably likely, although I don't know for sure because I haven't only seen hard evidence.
I think someone like Chris Hayes probably kind of covered it proportionally.
you know chris hayes was maybe like i don't know five to ten percent of his schedule and then you have I think the number was roughly 53% of the time.
Now, do I think that half of the coverage should be on the Russia scandal such that it is?
No, that strikes me as both as both entire.
Yeah, that is a very, that's a World War III narrative.
I think it can be destructive.
But like, yeah, should they ignore it altogether?
Probably not.
So I think it's an issue of how you prioritize it.
And I think that MSNDC has prioritized it a lot.
And I think that they prioritize it for the wrong reasons, namely that it gets the Democratic establishment off the hook, and the Democratic establishment is primarily who they serve.
So, yeah, I think that some are worse than others.
I think that I think that obviously Joanne Reid is uniquely cynical.
Her job is effectively to just sit there and shit on the left all day.
Like, to me, she's worse than Alex Jones because no one takes Alex Jones seriously, but she's given this platform of MSNBC and all those other people who host shows on that network do give her respect and do so.
It's like she, through osmosis, she's given this, you know, imprimatur of authenticity.
And no one's like, she's, and so to me, that makes them worse.
They have a bigger responsibility because they have power, right?
I mean, having gone to college in Austin, unfortunately, a lot of people take Alex Jones seriously.
But so, I mean, his Islamophobia and racism probably, you know, certainly makes him worse.
But in terms of like people like Reid, yeah, I mean, look, Reid calls the Soviet Union communists.
She calls the former Yugoslavia USSR.
She said she said, she said that Jill Stein had a show on RT, which she didn't.
She never corrected on air.
She had Malcolm Nanson to say that Russia was going to invade with their army in Ukraine in October of 2016 to throw the election to Trump.
That was, of course, never corrected.
Yeah, I mean, she is the kind of bottom of the barrel in terms of this type of partisan demagoguery.
So, yeah, I mean, that's MSNBC.
That's the function that they serve.
And the night that Trump bombed Syria, I watched it the entire night.
And it wasn't until after midnight, I think for about six hours straight, they didn't have a single person on opposing the bombing.
They had all, you know, they had these, you know, your typical military generals who are all being paid by defense contractors.
It's the same war, you know, mentality because, again, they were so excited that Trump finally got vaguely in line with what they wanted to do.
And yeah, I mean, that's there, they're the democratic pro-war orthodoxy permeates the entire network.
It is a fundamentally partisan network.
It has a higher degree of, I think, fact-checking than, say, like a Fox News, but their fundamental fundamental goal is the same, right?
Which is, well, again, it's also, but it's also like, you know, does MSNBC directly traffic?
Well, they do have lockup, which is pretty bad.
They make a lot of money.
I think Rachel Maddow once referred to the lockup program as a quote ATN machine in their lobby.
And that's a pretty cynical show that I'm surprised has lasted.
Actually, I think, you know what?
I think they may have canceled it last year.
But they made locked up.
They still run it on the weekends.
I've still seen it.
That show has not disappeared from their network.
No, that's pure labor prisoner.
That's pure labor exploitation.
But anyway.
So, I mean, why do you think there aren't more people like you around?
I mean, I get that because the system doesn't need people like you, right?
They need people like Chris Hayes who'll wag his finger at an activist and an actress instead of wagging his finger at his corporate boss, which is consistently voted the worst company to work for in the world.
So what do you, what do you think?
I mean, that's a guy who used to be a union reporter, and now he's turned into what he's turned into, which is just disgusting.
So, I mean, I'm disgusted.
I work with the young Turks and Jenk Uger still goes to those parties.
And I try to tell him, you know, don't go to those parties because once you meet those people, you know, they become human beings to you except what they really are, which are just mouthpieces for the plutocracy.
And they're taking a handsome paycheck to do it.
And they're selling out our country.
That's really what's happening.
And they're beating the drums for war.
And it's disgusting.
It's like beyond like, duh, they're that.
Some of it's good, some of it.
It's disgusting.
I don't know.
I don't, I don't, I think that's generally true.
Yes.
I, I think that.
Why do you think they never mentioned the petrodollar on MSNBC?
I don't, I've never mentioned the petrodollar, so I have no idea.
Probably because that isn't part of their ideal, their ideological grammar, I imagine.
So isn't that the weird thing?
Like the whole Mideast we've set on fire and it's over the petrodollar and it never gets mentioned.
Don't you think that's interesting?
I do.
Yeah, I mean, that's where you get to the kind of broader causality of what we, of why we do what we do militarily.
You know, there was a recent article in the New York Times about, and it was like Trump's reason to stay in Afghanistan.
And it said rare earth minerals.
Yes.
Now, that's a point that people on the left have been making about war for, gosh, 100 years.
Such Bedley Bundler.
That it's, well, that it's resources, right?
It's about access to resources.
And more importantly, it's about preventing others from having access to resources and managing the flow of resources, which is, I think, a pretty elegant way of explaining a lot of things.
And then I remember reading that saying if this article was on Infowars, it would be dismissed.
But now it's in the New York Times.
And by the way, you oftentimes see this about when people talk about official U.S. enemies like Iran and Russia.
Why did Russia go into Syria?
Well, Russia was in Syria because they needed an oil pipeline or they needed access to a warm water port.
That other countries act for these very cynical, Machiavellian and materialist reasons.
But the U.S., of course, only does it for human rights reasons or because they want to stop ISIS, right?
And the U.S. is always bumbling backwards into war where Putin has a master plan or has design.
So yeah, I mean, you're not really allowed to ascribe any kind of broad rationale because then you start getting into quote-unquote conspiracy theory territory.
But a lot of this is a faith.
You ask why someone doesn't say petrodollars or whatever or talk about oil pipelines.
I mean, these things are very complicated, first off.
Second off, there is, you know, it's an epistemological problem, which is I don't, you know, you've jammed me into a closet and you've poked five holes in the door and you've told me to describe the house or describe the mansion.
I can make attempts at it, but we just frankly don't have the access to information.
We don't know what goes on in the DOD.
By definition, we don't know what goes on in the CIA.
Again, we've been in Syria.
The CIA has been in Syria for six years.
And according to the Washington Post, had a budget of a billion dollars, though some dispute that.
And we don't have a clue what they actually did in Syria.
Some of the more pro-FSA factions say, oh, they did nothing.
Some of the, obviously the Russians think they pretty much contrived the entire opposition.
The reality is we don't really know.
Now, I imagine they weren't spending a billion dollars a year on lunch spreads.
I assume they were buying weapons and helping out, you know, helping arm and train fighters.
But we know nothing about that.
And nobody ever really kind of asked that question.
People have the CIA, you know, X-EIA, they have Mike Morrell, they have, you know, Leon Panetta, or they all, I guess he was Defense Department, but they have all these ex-officials and nobody ever asks them, okay, what was the CIA doing in Syria?
Which seems like a pretty baseline question.
And I feel like there was a time when the left would ask that question or when liberals would ask that question.
But because it was a Democratic president doing it and because they were fighting nominally this good noble war against the Assad regime, that it just kind of goes into this memory hole.
And it seems strange to me because, you know, we haven't had a, there hasn't been an anti-war protest in this country in over 10 years.
Now, why is that?
Now, you couldn't have scripted it better, right?
You have Vice egging on war.
You have nominal left institutions egging on war.
You have BuzzFeed writing non-stop anti-Russia publications, which is supposed to be nominally a kind of more liberal publication.
You know, that's the current landscape of the media.
How we got here, I don't know.
But yeah, in terms of the bigger designs for the Middle East, I don't know.
That's out of my pay grade.
I have some ideas.
I generally know that we are namely involved in Syria, and this is by the admission of DOD, the DIA, the CIA.
We're largely in Syria to prevent Iranian and Hezbollah expansion, which is the only existential enemies to both the U.S. and Israeli hegemony.
It seems pretty simple to me.
Now, if you can kind of pitch that as a humanitarian thing or human rights thing, I think that's great.
I'm happy that people in the State Department war room can come up with these moral narratives.
That's marketing 101.
I'm happy for them.
But it doesn't seem, it doesn't seem like the true animating cause of our involvement in the Middle East.
I mean, the last four presidents have bombed Iraq.
It's something you pass on from generation to generation.
Wow.
Well, listen, I really appreciate you spending time like this with us.
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Uh-oh, Chris Christie's on the line.
Hello.
Yeah, big shot.
You think you're a big shot?
Is that it?
Big shot.
No, I don't think I'm a big shot, honest.
You and all your clever put-downs.
You think you're a big shot?
Well, I'm wise to you.
Guess what?
I'm not a big shot.
You ain't no fucking big shot, big shot.
You think you're a big shot, don't you?
Yeah, you do, big shot.
Big shot here thinks he's a big shot.
Well, he ain't.
Guess why?
Big shot's a little shot.
Get it?
I'm a little shot.
I get it.
So don't be getting all up in my face, big shot.
Because you ain't no big shot.
You're just a small peg in a little hole.
And you know what?
What?
That ain't no big shot.
Whereas I am a big man in a big town.
I'm a big shot.
I'm a kick-third of shit hill.
And when I say walk, you walk.
And when I say back off, you back off.
And when I say nap, we all nap.
And so on.
I get it.
When I say use your zip plus four, use it.
Because it helps the postal service sort your mail more efficiently.
If you don't use your zip plus four, you must think you're a big shot.
Or maybe death hold my tiny tray of dachos and hunch over you like a menacing wolverine.
Understand?
Death hold.
I got it.
Good.
Mind if I ask you something?
Sure, go ahead.
You think it tough, don't you?
Well, you're not tough.
You know what?
You're no big shot either.
You're not a big shot, and you're not a tough guy.
These are two things you are definitely not.
So I just have one thing left I want to ask you.
What are you going to do now?
Tough guy who thinks he's a big shot?
Wow.
We're on the phone, and yet I can feel your breath on my face when you shout.
And what are you going to do now, Top Guy Big Shot?
Please keep in mind that after this severe dressing down, my security detail will come over and threaten to lock you up.
Don't you ever think twice about having verbal confrontations like this with people in public?
No.
Listen, though, when I'm out in public, for instance, at a baseball game, there's no excuse for bad language.
Not when somebody swears at you publicly and says some real awful things, calling you a hypocrite with a lot of children sitting around and my son's there.
In fact, my children are right here sitting next to me, you bucket mouth son of a bitch.
I heard you the first time you insulted me, Jimmy.
Then you went in for seconds.
And nobody ever gets seconds when I'm around.
That was a multi-layered joke, by the way.
Here's a little news flash.
I may be a public servant, but that doesn't give anybody the right to call me a hypocrite and say I suck in public.
Actually, it does.
I'm pretty sure that's in the Bill of Rights.
Guess you think you're a big shot with that Bill of Rights yourself.
You've got a fucking mouth, big shot, tough guy.
You're getting heckled a lot in public lately.
Last month, the whole crowd booed you at a Mets game when you caught a foul ball.
I thought it was a hot-buttered roll.
I acted on instinct.
How could you possibly think that was a hot-buttered roll?
Because it tasted like wine.
But seriously, it did.
The bottom line is this.
You give it, you get it back.
Use bad language around me and my family, and I will engage you back in a dignified, just, and civil manner.
Okay, how about this?
I think you're a corrupt hypocrite.
You're lucky your family might not have an accident.
Follow me.
Whoa, where'd that come from?
You're some kind of big shot.
Is that it, tough guy?
Tough guy, big shot.
You watch it.
I'm almost at a 10% approval rating right now.
I'll come over there after a strategic visit to Abby's and turn your house into a Dutch oven, you motherfucking fuck fuck fuck.
Low poll ratings only make me stronger.
You think you're so smart?
Try to shop besides, you smug bum balone.
New Jersey schools will now rank the second best in the nation due to pupil-to-teacher ratio.
That's impressive.
That's right, hot shot.
And why do we have such a low pupil-to-teacher ratio because everybody's moving out of the fucking state that's why in your face puts and stay away from my nachos or i'll threaten you with the short stubby arm of the law and the breath of a sick mongols We are here with acclaimed author and academic.
I'm going to call him an academic.
One of our favorite authors, you know, I talk about his book all the time.
And I have it right here all the time.
His latest book is called Listen Liberal by Thomas Frank.
And if you're not a radical, if you read this, it will make you a radical.
And I often tell people that I'm a radical, yet I still wear comfortable shoes.
That's just, I don't know how that works.
So that's a great book.
Thanks for writing it.
You also wrote a great article in Harper's about how the media smeared and decimated Bernie Sanders.
And I just want to quote, well, first of all, welcome, Thomas.
Welcome to the show.
Thanks for having me, Jimmy.
Good to be here.
So let me ask you, why do you think the richest man in the world wanted to buy the Washington Post?
Ah, yes.
Because his dedication to freedom of speech, of course.
Because he knows, Jimmy, that democracy dies in darkness.
Didn't you love that?
Don't you love that slogan?
So they had that slogan, Thomas, they had that slogan right above their editorial, which told us why Edward Snowden should be imprisoned.
Oh, God.
They don't even care about irony.
Like Chris Hedges says, they just steal right out in the open now and their irony is right in your face and they don't care about it.
Yes, but there's also, I mean, here in D.C., there is this kind of fever that has settled over the city of, you know, everything is about Trump.
There's this obsession with Trump.
If you go on the Washington Post webpage, all five of, I mean, I haven't even looked at it today, but all five of the top most read stories will be about Trump.
It's like that every day, and it has been like that for an entire year.
And people have convinced themselves that he is a dictator and that he is going to clamp down on the press.
He is going to stop calling them names at some point and start throwing journalists in prison.
That, you know, all of these terrible things are coming, that he is Hitler.
This is commonplace in Washington, D.C. And look, he scares, he scares, scared me, I should say, I should put it in the past tense.
He couldn't even reveal Obamacare, Thomas.
I know, I know.
So this is the thing now.
He's totally incompetent.
Turns out the guy's an imbecile.
Yeah, that's exactly what we were saying.
The main danger now is that Trump actually decides to figure out how to do this job, you know, but he hasn't figured it out yet.
But one of these days, I mean, let's say he just takes it, you know, he takes a liking to it.
He decides he likes, he wants to get stuff done as president.
He doesn't want to just like swan around, you know, and eat dinner with the prime minister of France anymore.
He actually wants to get things done.
That will be dangerous, you know, because if he puts his mind to it, he might actually figure out how to do it.
But as things stand right now, he doesn't have, he doesn't have a fucking clue.
Not a clue.
And so when people on the left and the center are screaming for impeachment to Trump, I always say, again, this is your knee-jerk emotional response that isn't thought through because what do you want?
You want an incompetent maniac or do you want a competent maniac like Pence?
Well, Pence is competent.
That's right.
And that's one of the, you know, exactly.
People haven't thought that through.
But, you know, I mean, Trump is bad news.
All of this stuff about his connections with Russia, it's alarming, although it doesn't require the kind of constant three alarm, you know, launch the ICBMs kind of, you know, state of emergency that we're constantly in here in Washington.
But the other thing that really gets me that we have stopped talking about that I thought was really interesting.
I mean, there's many interesting aspects to Trump that aren't being discussed or barely being discussed at all, but his holdings all over the world, you know, his incredible, you know, that he has this web of financial connections with everyone and everything.
That's really interesting.
I'm also, you know, frankly, Jimmy, and you're there in Los Angeles, I'm fascinated by Trump as a kind of darker version of Ronald Reagan.
I went when I was out there in L.A., I went to the Reagan Library.
You ever go to this?
Yes.
I've been in Simi Valley.
I just lied.
I didn't go there.
I've never been there.
Okay.
But it's like Reagan's presidency itself.
It's very strong on this kind of reader's digest, emotional thing, and very weak on the details.
Very, very, very weak on the details.
But that's, you know, remember when Reagan was elected, we're like, oh, my God, there's an actor in the White House.
And he really was, you know, he did govern as a kind of myth maker, as a kind of, you know, that really is how he governed.
And Trump is also, I mean, we think of him as a real estate guy, but that's not really what he is.
He is a product of the entertainment industry.
And Trump as that is fascinating to me.
Now, I haven't started writing about it yet myself because I'm just sick of hearing about Donald Trump and don't, you know, just don't care about it.
But there's this quality to the media's coverage of Trump that is, there's just something wrong with it.
And I'm sorry, I'm getting on to another article that I wrote recently here.
And it's hard for me to put my finger on it.
What is wrong with it?
You know, there's like the Washington Post ringing the alarm bells all day long.
Every day there's a new, you know, a new emergency about Trump.
And it just doesn't ring true for me.
And I wonder what you think about this.
Well, I'm happy that you talk about the scary ties that Trump has with Russia or whatever.
Whatever it takes to keep us out of World War III, I'm okay with it.
If he doesn't want to start World War III with Putin because he owes him money, then I'm okay with that.
Because right now, Donna Brazil and all the talking heads on TV are super okay with a World War III.
In fact, they were in.
In fact, they didn't call, you remember the first time they called Trump presidential on CNN and ManmasNBC?
They did that when he bombed Syria.
He just bombed somebody.
Yeah, he bombed somebody.
So that's that, by the way, that's one of the big themes here in Washington, D.C., is that this guy is basically letting the empire fall apart.
And frankly, I'm okay with that.
I'm okay with that.
I'm okay with that.
I don't really care.
I've shed no tears for, you know, seven wars or whatever that we were doing, you know, that a year ago?
Yes.
Well, that's why a lot of people on the right said they voted for Trump because he was an anti-interventionist.
A lot of libertarians who gave their vote to Trump, they like the idea that he wanted to get out of the Middle East and he wanted to stop arming terrorists.
And it turns out he actually is doing that in Syria.
And it turns out when he— I don't know if Trump is actually going to do anything that Trump prompts.
Trump also promised to bring back Glass Stiegler.
Do you remember that?
Yes, I do.
He made outrageous promises.
By the way, that was one of the things that I remember being quite astonished watching a Trump campaign rally on YouTube in which he criticized the campaign against Libya.
Do you remember this?
Where we were just bombing the crap out of Libya.
And Trump said, look, all these people died, and we think it's a great thing because no Americans died.
Well, what about the people that lived there?
And I thought that was like kind of an amazing thing for an American politician to say.
Wow.
Yeah, yeah, it blew my mind.
But then I don't know if he ever repeated it.
It's like with Trump, it's like, you know, somebody, he saw somebody say that on Facebook that day, thought he'd repeat it.
You know, who knows if he really believed it.
He's never said anything like that since.
So let me ask you one more time about what do you think the effects of the richest predatory capitalist billionaire in the world owning the political newspaper of note in the United States.
What do you think the effect of that is?
Well, the conventional wisdom here in D.C. is that he has saved the Washington Post.
So they were, seriously, a couple years ago when it was owned by the Graham family, you know, and it was hurtling towards disaster.
And I don't know if you're aware of this, Jimmy, but newspapers are basically done for in this country.
Yes.
I mean, I'm from Kansas City, you know, the newspaper there, which we used to be very proud of, the Kansas City Star.
Or you look at your LA Times out there.
I mean, these were great newspapers once, the Chicago Tribune, you know, and they're all just disasters.
Now they're just down to, they're a shadow of their former selves.
They can't afford to have bureaus in, you know, the next town over, let alone in Paris or something.
It's just, it's tragic what's happened to them.
And the only way that newspapers have found to survive in this awful era is by getting a billionaire to blow all sorts of money on them.
So this is, it's exactly the William Randolph Hearst model.
Remember Susan Kane?
That's the model for newspapers now is the same as the old model from 100 years ago.
Get a rich guy and become that rich guy's mouthpiece.
And so Bezos came into Washington and blew a huge amount of money on the Washington Post and built them a new fancy office building.
And, you know, everybody's getting paid.
There's no question about them going out of business.
So they are, their place in America is secure.
But I want to give you in the sense that they now have enough money to go on.
But here's the thing, Jimmy.
We're a country of 300 million people.
And we basically have three newspapers that matter.
And you know this as well as me.
Newspapers still matter enormously in setting the agenda of what the rest of the media talks about.
If it's not in the New York Times, it's not going to be on CNN or MSNBC or they won't even know about it because they all read the New York Times and that's where they get everything.
But the only papers that matter are them, The Post, and The Wall Street Journal.
And there's nothing else.
And all three of them are located, of course, on the East Coast, within 500 miles of each other.
And basically, there's this.
So Washington, D.C., by the way, is awash with journalists.
I used to live in the district proper.
I used to work for the Wall Street Journal.
And across the street from me was another guy that worked for the journal.
And Catty Corner was a woman that worked for the Washington Post.
And we all lived in this neighborhood and we were all very happy.
And the whole neighborhood was filled with journalists.
D.C. is the most well-scrutinized terrain in the world.
There's journalists everywhere.
You throw a rock and you'll hit a journalist.
They're all over the place.
You go to Kansas City or you go to LA or you go to all of these other places.
There's zero.
There's no journalists.
There's nobody watching.
Nobody has any interest.
You know, I write about farm issues from time to time.
Nobody, D.C. even knows about this stuff.
One of the things I found out when I was writing about farm issues for The Guardian, again, The Guardian is very interested in this.
You know, I was writing about this.
I found out that farmers in Missouri have turned against free trade deals.
That's crazy.
Farmers used to, when I was growing up, loved free trade deals.
Why have they turned against them?
And I did the research and I found out why.
Well, I was talking to you.
You come back here to D.C., it's a long story, but basically because they're feeling the pressure of monopolies, right?
Yes.
And the WTO has these judicial panels that can overrule American law.
And they have overruled various laws that were favorable to farmers, to family farmers.
And they're like, sorry, guys, you're screwed.
And so the farmers are real pissed off about this.
They all know about it.
And I come back to D.C. And nobody knows this.
They can't understand why farmers voted for Trump.
They can't understand it.
They're like, farmers are free traders.
So when Obama was talking about the Trans-Pacific Partnership, farmers loved that, right?
And it's like, actually, no.
They didn't like it.
They were against it.
No one knew this.
The Democratic Party didn't know this.
Do you think that's why?
Do you think that's why Barack Obama continued to push the TPP even though Hillary Clinton was trying to win those votes?
That's going to be one reason among very, very many.
I think the main reason is that Obama believed in it.
And Obama also didn't think Trump had a chance.
So when you talk about reasons why Hillary lost, the WikiLeak stuff is actually, in my book, is pretty far down the list.
One of the biggest ones is Obama pushing the Trans-Pacific Partnership all through the election while poor Hillary is out there trying to, remember, try to claim that she had changed her mind on it.
And she'd had a, you know, she'd had a change of heart and all this crap.
And here's Obama like, no, we're going to get that done.
We're going to get that done.
Right to the end, he was doing that.
Or how about raising the premiums on Obamacare, you know, two weeks before election day?
What a great idea that was.
What politician would let that happen besides a week?
You know, because they thought it wasn't going to be close.
They thought they were going to just destroy Trump.
And it's like, no, these elections are close.
They always tighten up at the end.
And to just throw votes away by doing things like that, it's just, it's just unutterably stupid.
And they did.
I mean, literally, people's premiums went up 25% two weeks before the election.
And they didn't get a pay raise in 25%.
And Hillary Clinton and Hillary Clinton didn't have that.
That happened to members of my family, Jimmy.
Really?
It's like people that I know that happened to.
And they were pissed off.
And then the question is, well, do you get in line and vote for Hillary?
What do you do?
Because people were very, very angry about this stuff.
None of this even figured in.
You're fortunate to even know about it because of all the things that we're talking about here.
The news media dying and collapsing, all that sort of thing.
So here in Washington, it's regarded as a great triumph what Bezos has done.
And look, and the Post does employ some of the best political reporters in the country.
Dave Weigel is at the Post.
They have some excellent.
I love their political curtains.
Now, what do you like about Dave Weigel's writing?
The last time I read Dave Weigel's writing, he was literally reprinting DNC talking points and calling it news.
He literally Oh, really?
No, he's one of these guys that he actually does the legwork.
He's all over the country.
He's interviewing people in cafes.
And he has a, you know, he listens to people of all different walks of life.
He doesn't call them names.
One of the things that I learned a long time ago, Jimmy, and this is What's the Matter with Kansas, Listen, Liberal, all these books are based on is you don't understand what people are doing if you walk into the room and already believing that everybody is a racist and everybody is a fool and everybody's a jackass.
You know, you have to listen to them.
Then you can say those things, right?
But Dave Weigel reminds me of that because that's sort of his attitude as well.
Yeah, it's nice.
Not to let him off the hook.
Last time I saw him, he was still blaming Ralph Nader for Al Gore's loss.
You know, he was pro-Iraq war and he's very dismissive.
He was pro-Iraq war.
I did not know that.
Yeah, just so you know, that's who he is.
And I have a personal grudge against him, so don't worry about it.
Okay.
And I love their editorial cartoonist, Tom Tolls.
Yes.
This guy.
Yeah.
He's the best.
But by and large, their op-ed page drives me crazy.
People who, let me put it this way, really have no business in journalism.
You know, people who really can't write and who really have nothing original to say.
And it's all about maintaining.
See, I read the Washington Post a lot.
Their op-ed page is all about defining the limits of the consensus.
What is acceptable in Washington and what is not acceptable in Washington?
Nobody talks about that.
That's what the Washington Post's function here in Washington, D.C. is, but that is what it is.
And if you're a billionaire, that's a really nice thing to own.
The power to define consensus and what the parameters of the acceptable are in Washington, D.C., that's a really nice thing to own.
Yeah.
And, you know, Adam Johnson just pointed out that they haven't written an article even close to being critical of Amazon's practices or Jeff Bezos or their monopoly power or anything in years.
That doesn't surprise me.
But, you know, frankly, he hasn't, as far as I know, and I don't work there, hasn't he doesn't seem to have intervened in the op-ed page in a heavy-handed way.
I mean, it's the same people that they had before.
The problem is, he should have intervened.
All those people should be gone.
They're so bad.
But whatever.
So you're telling me when the editorial page of the Washington Post, owned by the richest man in the world, runs five to one negative editorials against a progressive.
You don't think that there's a correlation between that?
Oh, well, I think they would have done it under the preceding regime, too.
I agree.
The Grams were exactly the same.
But what I'm saying is that Jeff Bezos doesn't see a problem with that.
And he doesn't try to.
No, that's right.
He's not going to try and fix that.
Apparently.
Yeah, that's right.
Well, one of the things that they did do right before, so my survey of the posts.
By the way, and I encourage your viewers to go back and read the article.
It was in Harper's.
I was very careful writing this article.
I read every op-ed they ran in the print edition of the Washington Post that mentioned Bernie Sanders, every single one.
And, you know, and I tried to be fair to them and all that sort of thing.
But it went from January to June of 2016, my survey.
And right before that began, they did have one guy at the post who would have almost certainly endorsed Bernie Sanders and would have supported him.
That's Harold Henderson.
He got rid of him again.
I'm sorry, I'm getting his name wrong.
Harold Meyerson.
Myerson.
Yes.
And they fired him right before the period began.
He was there.
And why did they fire him?
What was the reason?
I don't remember.
That's in the Harper story.
They gave a reason for it.
The reason for it.
It was basically they didn't like that he wrote about unions all the time.
Or they didn't like that he wrote about, I think they said Germany all the time because Germany.
Germany and their unions, right?
Yeah.
Yeah.
And if you, I mean, there are people in the post that write about things that are, of course, far narrower and less interesting.
You know, Germany is actually kind of a big deal.
I don't know if you're aware of this.
Yes.
You know, it's very prosperous, all this sort of thing.
But anyhow, that was the reason they gave.
And that's the post.
It's like Kremlinology.
Remember in the old days, people used to read Soviet newspapers to try to understand, you know, because the propaganda would shift very slightly, and you could tell what was going on in the Kremlin.
But that's what the Post is fun doing, you know, when you read it that way, you know?
Kremlinology.
It looks like Vladimir Putin's on the line.
Hello, is this Vladimir Putin?
Please, Jimmy, let us not play any games, shall we?
Games?
I'm not playing any games.
You know it is me.
I know it is you.
We play these games for years.
We both understand what is going on.
Honestly, I'm not playing a game with you.
That's a relief.
Because I'm really, really bad at games.
Except Kribich.
People literally hyperventilate at the prospect of competing against me in Kribich.
For I am a master strategist with the amazing powers of a dasterless supervision, even though my country's economy using the crapper.
Can you give me an example of your monstrous abilities as a demonically possessed criminal mastermind?
Oh, certainly.
Never lead with a five or a ten card.
Why?
Because then your opponent has a greater probability of scoring and advancing his little wooden peg in a little wooden board full of little holes.
That's it?
Pretty much.
Oh, and if that doesn't work, go to plan B. What's plan B?
The poor 750 Americans.
But the State Department says that would be a regrettable and uncalled-for act.
Isn't that your State Department's motto?
A regrettable and uncalled for act.
But I get seriously, though, what do you expect us to do?
You put no sanctions on the Russian people.
We push back.
You have to get your diplomatic staff down to 455.
But there were only around 355 Americans serving in the diplomatic staff.
The rest are Russian citizens who work for them.
So essentially, you're going to throw around a thousand Russians out of work.
Look, I never said I was good at math.
Besides, I don't have a lot of options.
What do you want us to do?
Provoke a nuclear war like you guys do every three weeks?
Hey, you know, there's a lot more to that phone call.
We don't have time in today's podcast.
How do you hear the whole thing?
You know what you do.
You go get the premium.
That's right.
Hey, we have an audio premium.
That's got to be the most affordable premium in the business.
It's $5.
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Also, guess what?
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We're getting the bugs worked out.
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It's a technical nightmare, certainly for a guy like me.
So I appreciate your patience.
We're working as hard as we can to get everything fixed.
Thank you so much.
And we didn't do that to annoy you.
I know some people, it turned that the app stops playing the show sometimes.
And a lot of people work out with it.
And that's annoying.
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So that's what we're trying to fix right now.
So thank you for your patience.
I really mean that.
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