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Get ready for an outstanding entertainment program.
The Jimmy Dore Show!
Hello.
Hello, my fellow American.
May I speak to Jimmy Dore?
This is Jimmy Dore.
Is this Hillary Clinton?
God, thanks for calling, Secretary Clinton.
Oh, Secretary Clinton.
That's a little formal.
Please call me Madam President and get over it.
Well, what are you up to right now?
People say that I'm not fun, but I'm actually kicking back with vanilla bean ice cream right now.
I am.
I decided I need to take a break from preparing for Sunday's debate and just reach out to potential voters I haven't taken a selfie with yet.
Oh.
And what I need to do is write four and five word slogans, and that's what I'm working on.
Oh, can you run some of those by path?
You got any?
Let's keep wealth with the wealthy.
One, two, three, four.
That might be too many words.
I don't know if that's really your message.
Well, listen, congratulations on your first debate with Donald Trump, by the way.
Congratulations to all of us.
One, two, three, four.
That's five words, Jimmy.
I think that's a keeper.
Is that, do you have any more?
I am fun.
I am fun.
Love me.
I deserve it.
Yes, congratulations on your first debate with Donald Trump.
I was overjoyed by his performance.
He can dig himself into a hole faster than a mole in a snowstorm.
It is something to behold.
Listen, I was also pleased to see that you made a full recovery from your bout with pneumonia.
We've made so many advances in medicine.
Do you know that they used to call AIDS pneumonia?
Do you remember that?
No, I don't really remember that.
Well, when famous people died of AIDS, they would say it was pneumonia.
Oh, right.
I remember that, yeah.
And now you can have any disease you want.
There is no ceiling on disease.
That's fantastic.
I am fun.
That feels right.
I am fun.
Did I mention I was eating vanilla bean ice cream before you called?
Yes, you did.
I need people to understand that I am just like them.
Yeah, but you're not just like them.
You and your husband are worth a couple hundred million dollars.
You're zoning rich as Romney's now.
I am just like most of them.
See, that's the thing, right?
It comes off as inauthentic.
I think that.
Well, I don't know why.
I've been practicing all afternoon.
I don't know why.
I think that's your problem.
Get used to it.
No, it's actually your problem because you need votes in November, on November 8th.
Okay, let's agree to disagree.
Four words.
Let's agree to disagree.
That's your new slogan?
Yes.
You see what I mean?
I am fun.
Boy, that's a hell of a bumper sticker.
Let's agree to disagree.
Clinton Kane.
Listen, Madam Secretary, as a Democrat, I'm kind of uncomfortable with you getting the endorsements of prominent right-wingers like John Negroponte.
May I remind you, Negroponte, the first part of his name is Negro, which is Latin for African American.
Yeah, though I didn't know that.
Like our Barack Obama.
And by the way, we have become closer now than we've ever been.
Who, you and Barack Obama?
And not just because I need him.
Barack and I have become better friends.
Listen.
Better friends than we even need to be.
Yeah.
I'm on your side.
Be on my side.
Be on my side.
So why do you seek the endorsements of these horrible right-wing monsters?
You mean Crystal Kagan and Kissinger?
Or as I call them, the KKK?
Oh, I'm fun.
Let's make civil rights okay for whites.
Again.
Yes.
Madam Secretary, what drives you?
The Secret Service.
No, I mean, what drives your ambition?
You know, as I mention every three minutes, I'm a grandmother, and the world I want to leave my grandchildren is one where they're invited to social functions put on by Wall Street banks.
Madam Secretary, what's your message in the campaign?
I'm presenting to the American people the stirring vision of what it is not to have a vision.
Listen, you say you believe in science.
Yes, I do.
Then why do you support fracking and keeping marijuana illegal?
I'm glad you asked me that, Jimmy.
At my appointment with my psychic, we held a stance with Eleanor Roosevelt.
Eleanor told me that I have to be strong for the country, strong for women, strong for myself, and that my husband right now is banging my nurse.
And I will tell you something else, Jim.
What?
When I am president, I will see to it that I am surrounded by 25-year-old male pages.
We will see how he likes it.
And by the way, there will be no cigars anywhere.
Okay, gotcha.
No cigars.
Listen, who are you thinking?
I want to ask you, who are you thinking of pointing to the Supreme Court?
Henry Kissinger.
No.
Jimmy, as long as I'm the only thing stopping Donald Trump from entering the White House, you and I and Henry are stronger together.
You know, you're unfavorable.
I'm with him.
Yeah.
I know.
You know, your favorables are as low as drums.
Jim, this is news to me.
What is?
Four words.
This is news to me.
Five words.
So a lot of people like me, Madam Secretary, are upset that there's no way if we vote for you or Donald Trump, there's no way to vote against Halliburton.
There's no way to vote against Goldman Sachs.
There's no way to vote against Big Pharma or more fracking.
What do you say to those people?
I say, let's agree to disagree.
Okay, Jimmy, I've enjoyed this conversation so much, but I've got to go.
I appreciate it.
I really do.
Are you practicing for the debate?
No.
The Hallmark channel is having a murder she-road marathon.
Hey, I'm 68 years old.
How many words is that?
Vote for me.
Hey, I'm 68 years old.
I look forward to seeing you at the polls.
All right.
Thank you so much.
Thank you so much.
Good luck on November 8th.
I won't need it, but thank you.
Let's agree to disagree.
I'm fun.
Oh, that's creeps me out.
Okay, I'm going to hang up.
I'm fun.
I am fun.
you're with me.
Oh, yeah.
It's the Jimmy Door Show.
The show for popular TV.
And now, there's a guy who sounds a lot like me.
It's Jimmy Dome.
Hey, everybody.
Welcome to this week's Jimmy Door Show.
We don't have many jokes before the jokes this jokey week, but I will say this.
I just, I really don't know what I'm going to do with all this booty I stole from Kim Kardashian.
Did you get me?
Do you see what I'm saying?
Hey, speaking of fake journalism, I decided to watch 60 Minutes last Sunday.
I tuned in just in time to see Leslie Stahl ask a submarine commander if he ever got claustrophobic.
Ah, the American news media, huh?
Ah, fantastic.
And I don't know if you watch the vice presidential debate, but for me, Tim Kane just looked like Jack Lemon begging for the Glen Gary leads.
And Kane kept interrupting Pence with really, really annoyed Trump's followers because nobody likes being treated like a woman.
Am I right?
Come on.
Hey, we got a lot of stuff coming up on today's show.
I hope you enjoyed that Hillary call.
It's from our hilarious friend, Laura Keitlinger.
She does the Hillary voice.
She's fantastic, Laura Keitlinger.
Check her out at King Keitlinger at King Keitlinger on Twitter.
I want to remind everybody, October 17th, that's coming up quickly.
That's a Monday, not this Monday, but next Monday, October 17th at 8 p.m., we're doing a live Jimmy Door show.
I would love to see you there.
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Go to JimmyDoorComedy.com.
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Okay.
So we'll see you October 17th.
That's a Monday.
It's 8 p.m.
Live Jimmy Door show.
See you then.
All right.
What's coming up on today's show?
Well, we're going to take a look at the vice presidential debate and the way it was framed.
The questions, the way the questions were framed, and the most unbelievably pro-corporate right-wing framing of questions I've seen.
We're going to talk about that.
Also, Chris Christie finally has worn out his welcome with even Fox News.
They even take him to task.
Now, it's so fun to see a guy who was so revered by the press fall so hard.
And then we're going to take a look at what really caused Al Gore to lose the 2000 election.
The answer, the answers, because there's lots of reasons.
They just may surprise you, or will they?
All right, that's coming up, plus a lot lot more.
That's today on the Jimmy Dore Show.
Thank you.
Hey, so maybe you can't believe that Mike Pence and Tim Kaine are next in line to run our country.
How did that happen?
Anyway, I want to talk about the debate, the vice president's debate, because the questions were horrible.
All night they talked about stuff that had nothing to do with anything.
Terrorism and Russia and Syria, as if we, anybody, every time we drop a bomb in the Middle East, we make things worse.
We can even fix lead in the water in Flint.
We're going to go fix a thousand-year-old problems in the Middle East with some bombs.
Hey, why don't we just bomb Flint?
Maybe that'll fix it.
And it's like your house is on fire and the questions are like, hey, there's two guys fighting down at the park.
What are you going to do about that?
Yes.
And you can tell the corporate news, right?
Remember, Bill Clinton deregulated the telecommunications industry, which is why there's only six companies that own every newspaper, TV, radio, everything.
So listen to this question.
Elaine Kijeno, Q-U-I-J-N-O.
Kijeno.
Let's listen to her question.
On the issue of social security.
In 18 years, when the Social Security Trust Funds run out of money, you'll be 76.
And we'd like to talk about some more problems that are going to be coming in 20 years from right now.
20 years.
Right now, we're stuck spending trillions of dollars in the Middle East in endless wars.
Right now, right now, half the country is considered in poverty or poor, and 50% of all wage earners earn less than $30,000.
We have a bigger income disparity than we had during the Gilded Age right now.
Hey, you know what?
There's this thing that's going to happen in 20 years.
You know how we like to fix problems that are 20 years in the future.
Everybody will have to get health care by then that doesn't bankrupt us.
Do you think we'll be able to get, stop paying twice as much for our health care as the rest of the freaking westernized world does?
Anyway, let's get, let's keep going.
The Committee for a Responsible Federal Budget estimates your benefits could be cut by as much as $7,500 per year.
What would your administration do to prevent this cut?
Well, first of all, of all my administration, we'd break up the media companies because this is why you get crap questions like this.
Did you hear how it's framed?
Did Sean Hannity write this question?
Hey, in 18 years, Social Security is going tits up and everybody, like we said, like we said, it's going to be bankrupt and you're not going to get any money anymore.
Social Security is solvent until 2034.
And then with very itty-bitty minor fixes, like, for instance, raising the cap.
You know, rich people don't keep paying Social Security tax.
It stops at $118,000.
So if you just lift that and have people just keep paying as they go along, it solves the Social Security problem until global warming kills us.
So this is hilarious, right?
And that's the way they frame it.
Hey, you know that the most successful social program in the world?
It's horrible, just like we said.
And it's going to go bankrupt.
Oh, my God.
It runs out of money.
It doesn't run out of money.
Here's another way to frame that question.
You know, this Social Security has $2 trillion in surpluses right now.
It's solvent at least until, they say, at least 18, 20 years out before we have to do anything to even fix it.
Like, that's another way.
What about the annual military spending that is, we don't have them.
I mean, isn't that already out?
Isn't that what causes the debt to go up?
Because it doesn't have a special tax like Social Security taxes.
Right.
We actually pay for Social Security.
I don't know if I'm speaking out of ignorance because I'm not sure exactly how it works, but...
There isn't a Pentagon tax.
No.
There isn't a bomb tax.
Right.
But there is a Social Security tax.
So the thing that drains it every year and gets worse.
Yes.
Nothing.
But we're going to worry about 20 years from now.
Yes.
Using Republican framing.
Yeah.
So the thing that's bankrupting us right now, keep spending.
Yeah.
But the thing in 20 years that pays for itself, it might...
Oh.
So that's...
By the way, debates are all corrupted because they're not run by third parties.
They used to be run by the League of Women Voters.
And now they're run by the campaigns themselves.
They have their own debate commission that they handpick their own guys from their own campaigns to run it.
So this is why I think we get horrible questions like that.
I don't know...
Well, the only guy that's...
If this woman came up with these questions, that's really not a good sign of her journalism.
But I don't think she did.
Go ahead, Steph.
Well, I do know the executive producer, Marty Zlutsky.
He's the only one that's been doing these debates since 2000.
You mean the executive person in charge of the debates?
The debate commission?
Yep.
Because the debate commission and the executive producer...
He is a part of the commission since 2000.
And he executive produces every single one of these debates.
And even with Lester Holt, he and Lester were the only ones who conferred on the questions together.
So do you think he only conferred with Lester or do you think he confers with every moderator?
Again, everything's corrupted in this society.
All our politics are corrupted.
Our criminal justice system is completely corrupted.
Nobody goes to jail for war crimes or illegally bankrupting our country.
But people get choked out for selling loosies and then the people who kill them.
So everything's corrupted.
The debate commission's corrupted.
So it's that no longer is it run by someone who's trying to inform the citizens.
In fact, the League of Women Voters called this a sham.
So this is a sham debate to see who's going to be running our sham government.
Well, I think it's interesting how they keep talking about Social Security, but nobody is ever talking about jobs.
Well, this whole debate was horrible.
It was unbelievable, the stuff.
They talked about Russia for like a half an hour.
Oh, Russia's super important.
They talked about a bunch of stuff that nobody can do anything about.
So I want to show you one more time the horrible corporate news question about Social Security that completely misframes the argument.
Because Social Security's successful.
It's solvent.
It's got $2 trillion surplus.
It's fine for decades.
the corporation doesn't want you to think that and here's her question on the issue of social security in 18 years when the social security trust funds run out of money you'll be 76.
The Committee for a Responsible Federal Budget estimates your benefits could be cut by as much as $7,500 per year.
What would your administration do to prevent this cut?
First, we're going to protect Social Security, which was one of the greatest programs that the American government has ever done.
It happened at a time when you would work your whole life, your whole life, raising your kids, working, being a little league coach or a Sunday school teacher, and then you would retire into poverty.
And Social Security has enabled people to retire with dignity and overwhelmingly not be in poverty.
We have to keep it solvent, and we will keep it solvent, and we'll look for strategies like...
Like, why didn't he just say what I said about, you know, it's solvent right now.
You know, it's such a successful program that it borrows money to the government so they can have their wars.
You know, by the way, those wars, they don't turn a profit.
What?
Yeah, those wars, none of them.
They're always in the red.
My grandma doesn't eat wars for breakfast?
Doesn't eat wars for breakfast.
In medicine?
Weird.
Isn't that weird?
Yeah.
But, I mean, it's an okay answer, I guess.
I think Tim Kaine did a horrible job last night.
Adjusting the payroll tax cap upward in order to do that.
Here's what Hillary...
He didn't break it down like...
Right.
He didn't break it down going, by the way, solvent, $2 trillion in surplus.
This is a problem that you're talking about that's going to come about in two decades.
Yeah.
And Americans don't need to be afraid of this.
This is just Republican framing.
This is people framing, scaring people.
So this is, again, a corporate quest.
None of that.
He just, he like accepts the framing.
Yeah.
He accepts it.
Like, we have some fixes for the add-in.
And I will not do.
And I want to make this very plain.
We will never, ever engage in a risky scheme to privatize Social Security.
Donald Trump wrote a...
So I just want to let you know this.
That's Tim Kaine speaking on behalf of Hillary Clinton saying we would never, ever privatize Social Security.
Just so you know how badly the Democrats have sold out workers.
Not only did Bill Clinton deregulate the telecommunications industry, so we only have six companies that bring us all our media, including news.
Not only did he push NAFTA, which a Republican couldn't get through the Congress, which diminished his base, which is unions forever.
Not only did he deregulate Wall Street.
Not only did he gut welfare.
Not only did it explode the prison population.
These are all things right-wingers usually do.
But guess what else Bill Clinton did?
He had a secret deal with Newt Gingrich to privatize Social Security.
This is true.
Thomas Frank reported this.
The guy wrote What's the Matter with Kansas and Listen Liberal.
They had a secret deal to privatize Social Security, the Clinton, with Newt Gingrich.
And you know the only thing that stopped it from happening?
Monica Lewinsky.
So just keep that in mind.
When Tim Kaine's talking about we will never privatize.
Her husband already had a deal to do it.
So are you saying a b*** job saved Social Security?
Yes.
That's how easy it is to save Social Security.
How do you save Social Security?
B*** job.
That's easy.
Right?
It doesn't take some big scheme.
It was a medicinal b*** job.
And it was a medicinal b*** job.
Yeah.
And he said Social Security is a Ponzi scheme and privatization would be good for all of us.
And when Congressman Pence was in Congress, he was the chief cheerleader for the privatization of Social Security.
Now both those things are true that Tim Kaine said.
Even after President Bush stopped pushing for it, Congressman Pence kept pushing for it.
for it we're going to stand up against efforts to privatize social security and we'll look for ways to keep it solvent going forward focusing Primarily on the payroll tax cap.
Governor Pence, I'll give you an opportunity to.
Focusing primarily on the payroll tax cap.
But he makes it, you know, again, he accepted the framing, which is a big mistake.
Horrible.
And let's see here.
Watch Mike Pence.
Well, thanks, Elaine.
There they go again.
So he thought that was going to be his big laugh line.
Yeah.
Because Ronald Reagan, I don't know if you know this, about 50 years ago, said that in 1980s when he was debating Mondale.
He was like, there you go again.
And ah, people thought that was the funniest goddamn thing they'd ever heard.
Yeah.
And it wasn't.
So here he's trying to do that again.
And it just falls flat.
Okay.
All Donald Trump.
Donald Trump and I have said about Social Security is we're going to meet our obligations to our seniors.
That's it.
Go read the book.
You said we're going to meet the obligations of Medicare.
That's what this campaign is really about, Senator.
And this is the old scare tactic that they roll out.
You have a voting record.
And I get all of that.
You have a voting record.
I get all that.
Listen, we're going to ignore it.
All right.
That's what this is about.
I'm going to say it really.
He did win on style because Tim Kaine was annoying to me.
I agree.
Oh, God.
It's like you have to be able to make your point without being super annoying.
And he's not able to, Tim Kaine.
Mike Pence.
He maintained his demeanor the whole night and that whatever it is that Republicans see in authoritarian white-haired kids.
Can I just say, I didn't know that they gave vice presidents uniforms to wear.
Yeah, they do.
Yes, they do.
Okay.
So why is he wearing the red?
Usually it's blue for Democrats and red.
They keep doing this.
Even though he wasn't ready.
Dury was wearing red and Donnie had the blue tie.
Jimmy, when are you going to get your flag, Lapel?
So let me just say this, too, about Social Security.
Social Security, this is from HuffPo, is not in crisis, as commonly assumed.
And Kehan Ho implied the program is pretty close to fiscally sound now and modest tweaks like lifting a cap on the Social Security payroll tax would be enough to take care of the shortfalls.
So why didn't he say it like that?
That's how Tim Kaine could have said it.
He could have said, hey, look, there's nothing.
This is a big problem only in corporate America's head.
First thing he should do is what you said, and then immediately turn it into a giant hammer and smash Mike Pence with it.
And he could have, the gentleman to my left wants to take away food from your grandparents.
Yes.
He wants your grandparents to be homeless like they were before Social Security.
He doesn't do that at all.
He doesn't know how to turn.
Yeah, he doesn't know how to make this issue, which is a winner into a winner.
It's like he's being handed and he's whiffing.
Yeah, he brought a wiffle ball bat to a knife fight.
Yes.
Like he was just swinging, but missing like crazy.
But even when they landed, there wasn't power.
Right.
Yeah, Tim Kaine, not a good debater.
And that one steady whip out his harmonica.
Yeah.
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Okay.
We got lots to get to in the second half.
Also, remember on the 18th or wait, no, 17th October, we'll see you in Burbank for the live Jimmy Door show.
All right, we've got lots more to get to today, so let's get to it.
No.
No.
*Mario plays*
What I like is when politicians get their comeuppance, Chris Christie, we always knew he was a big liar and a tool of corporations and an oppressor of the workers.
Now, that fooled a lot of people at MSNBC, CNN.
For a long time, people in the establishment press thought Chris Christie was a straight talker.
Why?
Because he was rude, because he was rude to teachers, because he wagged his finger at workers.
And that's what got him the moniker of a straight talker.
If somebody talks down to a worker, millionaire journalists eat it up.
They love eat it up.
Chris Matthews and his $10 million, they eat it up.
They go, oh, this guy's like Frank Sinatra.
Of course, he's not.
Chris Christie was just a big tub of nothing, and he always was.
Nothing but corruption.
He's gotten soulless.
He has zero integrity.
He works against his own people.
He's a fraud.
And it didn't take much light to see through Chris Christie.
As big as he is, didn't take much light to see through him.
Of course, most of the mainstream news journalists completely missed it.
Here he is with Chris Wallace, and now they're trying to defend Donald Trump not paying taxes, right?
Because his taxes came out from 95.
He had almost a billion dollars in losses.
He lost a billion dollars running casinos.
The guys, he's worse than the guys who bet at his own casinos.
How do you lose?
The games are already pre-rigged.
Couldn't make it, couldn't make it work with the casino.
Donald Trump, Donnie Gildanstrum.
Couldn't make money at a business where addicts bring you their money.
Addicts.
That's like a Coke dealer going bankrupt.
Yeah.
Yeah, I just, I just, I don't know.
I just, was bid to slow off?
No, I had business.
We had the electricity.
I mean, we had good lights.
We had to sign up.
Get your coke.
Didn't do it right.
So now he comes out and people are giving Donald Trump a hard time for not paying taxes because that, you know, he doesn't support the country.
He doesn't build roads or pay for military.
So it's just fun to watch Chris Christie have to now obviously bullshit everyone, right?
Before, I could see through it and you could see through it, but the journalists were somehow blinded by Chris Christie's political talent.
They couldn't see through his BS.
But now everybody does and it's fun to watch.
Pay for our military and our roads and other services.
Well, first of all, Chris, what it shows is what an absolute mess the federal tax code is.
And that's why Donald Trump is the person best positioned to fix it.
There's no one who's shown more genius in their way to maneuver.
Genius.
There's no one who has shown more genius than the guy who hasn't paid taxes because he lost a billion dollars.
That's so it's just funny to watch him.
And you see, it's just funny.
It's just funny to watch him have to do this.
Like now he has to, and it's all because he feels like, because he wants a little bit of power.
He knows he's done as governor of New Jersey.
Can't run again.
He knows he's done.
So he said, what can I do?
I can't be president.
Nobody wanted me.
I was wrongly rejected.
Maybe if I suck to the worst political character in our nation's history, maybe he'll give me a job.
And that's what this is.
Chris Christie out there lying on behalf of a guy who frightens reporters.
And so now people are starting to see through him.
Around the tax code and to rightfully use the laws to do that.
And he's already promised in his tax plan to change many of these special interest loopholes and get rid of them so you don't have this kind of situation.
And I think the worst part, Chris, is this is the tax code that people in America suffer under every day.
And so it's an awful thing.
Second thing is on the New York Times report, you know, fact is that even their own tax expert after a big splashy headline said there was nothing in there that was outside the law or outside the ordinary.
And last point I want to make on this is this, Chris.
You know, the late early 1990s was a difficult time for lots of folks.
We went into a recession, as I know you'll recall.
And Donald Trump wrote the book, The Art of the Comeback.
This is a guy who, when lots of businesses went out of business in the early 1990s, he fought and caught back to build another fortune to create tens of thousands of more jobs.
And this is actually a very, very good story for Donald Trump.
Wait.
Whoa, whoa, whoa, whoa.
Yeah.
Well, wait.
I'm pretty sure you're 100% full of.
Yeah.
I got to decide which bullshit to respond to.
Yeah.
I let you make three or four completely bullshit statements there.
Wait.
We usually don't have a fact check mechanism here at Fox News, but I wait.
Wait, hang on.
So here he is.
He has to defend Donald Trump, who is still six, seven days later attacking Miss Universe from 20 years ago.
Can you just picture him and Chris Christie and Donald Trump sitting around, oh, so upset about all the weight Miss Universe came?
What are we going to do about this fat slob Miss Universe?
So here he has to, here's, he has to defend that Trump was tweeting out, watch the sex tape.
There's a sex tape from Miss University.
This guy wants to be president.
He wasn't that articulate.
It was check out sex tape.
Check out sex tape, five in the morning tweeting this stuff.
And so here Chris Christie has to defend it.
And let's watch.
It's fun to watch him have to just, you know, no pretense that he's a good human being anymore, right?
And people just get to insult him.
Here we are, six days after the first debate.
And Donald Trump is still talking about the former Miss Universe, Alicia Machado, and her weight gain.
I want to put up the tweet that he wrote at 5.30 a.m. on Friday morning.
Did Crooked Hillary help disgusting checkout sex tape and passed Alicia M. become a U.S. citizen so she could use her in the debate.
Governor, if you believe the polls, Trump's two biggest problems right now are questions about his temperament and the fact that he has a 20-point gender gap when it comes to women.
So why on earth is he still talking about a beauty queen's weight?
You know, I have to tell you the truth, Chris, the stuff you guys focus on amazes me.
What?
The fact that you would focus on unbelievably bizarre behavior from a guy who wants to be president and who consistently engages in this type of behavior, the fact that you're going to focus on that is just mind-blowing.
Yeah.
Why don't you focus more on Hillary's ankles?
This is unbelievable.
Now, you see a lot of really lazy intellectual arguments for people who want you to vote for Hillary Clinton.
And one of them is this.
They'll appoint the Nader.
Like this guy says, you Steintards love the idea of repeating history, Steintards.
So that's a good way.
That's a good reach out to get people to vote.
Where else does this work?
You sure he's not trying to reach Jerry Steintard?
Maybe that's what he wants.
So this whole idea that Ralph Nader cost Al Gore the presidency, which let's remember, you want to know why Al Gore lost?
Because he was Al Gore.
Because it was after eight years of neoliberalism.
It was after Bill Clinton had pushed through NAFTA through Congress, which George Bush couldn't get through.
He did the hard work and got it done, screwed over the workers and diminished his base, which were unions, diminished their power forever.
NAFTA.
He did that.
He then gutted welfare.
70% of people on welfare were children, and it hurt single mothers.
He also then exploded the prison population with the crime bill.
They then deregulated telecommunications, which why all our news comes to us from six companies, six companies.
The news organizations are owned by the people they're supposed to be investigating.
You know, war profiteers, banks.
Also, he then deregulated Wall Street.
He undid the New Deal banking legislation.
So that's why people didn't want to vote for Al Gore, plus a lot of other things.
Plus, Al Gore picked this guy, Joe Lieberman.
That guy went to the Republican convention.
That guy, that was his vice president.
Still couldn't beat George Bush.
Still, he went right wing.
He went right wing, still lost.
So when given the choice between a Republican and a Republican, they picked the Republican.
And that's what was happening.
Workers knew what that Democrats turned their back on the working class.
People saw what happened.
And then that just solid.
Really, you picked that guy?
Why wouldn't you pick Ralph Nader to run with you?
All the great stuff that guy's done for this country.
That would have been amazing.
Joe Lieberman makes Tim Kaine seem like Dwayne Johnson.
Yes.
The rock.
Yes.
He is such a weak.
That's one reason why Al Gore lost.
A, nobody wanted to vote for him.
Second, Gore came in second in the electoral vote, but he received 543,895 more popular votes than Bush.
Now, let's remember why we have the Electoral College.
The Electoral College is the key power in the hands of the already powerful.
That's why it was instituted.
Remember, women couldn't vote.
The Great Liberty, the guys who wrote our Constitution, women couldn't vote.
Blacks weren't even people.
They were three-fifths of a human being.
And a lot of them owned slaves.
So these guys set up this voting system.
You had to be a white landowner.
And we still keep the Electoral College.
Why?
Because it empowers the powerful.
Why don't we go to an electoral?
We can't just let people choose our president.
And people aren't upset that we still use that same system, by the way, that the guy who actually won over a half million more votes, we still use that system that gave the other guy the presidency.
And no one's screaming about it.
That's what you should be screaming about right there.
That's your jumping off screaming point.
Hey, how about we put democracy back in the hands of the people?
These are just the basics of why our culture is broken.
This is one of the big things.
Just the mechanics, the machinery of elections is so completely f ⁇ ed.
Yes, the fact that it's on Tuesday is absurd.
The fact that it's we still, yeah, They do everything to suppress the vote.
Nobody's screaming about that.
That's a great point, Hank.
We still vote on a freaking workday.
Yeah.
It's based on old agrarian market economies, small localized market economies.
So farmers could get to town and get back in time for their.
So if there's a screwed up rule in our voting system, you have to go, well, why is that rule there?
Well, the question you should ask is, who does it benefit?
So there's no screwed up voting rule that benefits the weak.
Yeah.
There's only screwed up voting rules that benefit the powerful, like the fact that we still vote on Tuesdays, a workday.
And the winner.
Not a national holiday.
And it's not a national holiday.
Late fall.
Right.
It's late fall.
It's not yet winner.
Well, I see comments.
Yeah, not yet winner.
Jimmy doesn't know when winter is.
What does winter start?
December 20th?
21st.
21st.
Yeah, the solstice or something.
So just right there, Al Gore actually won the freaking election.
He had half a million more votes.
It's the system that screwed over America again.
A system that was instituted by a bunch of cephalitic slave owners who wrote our Constitution, who didn't want women to vote and didn't think blacks were people.
Personally, Jimmy, I think blacks are five-fifths of a person.
Gore failed to win the popular vote in his home state of Tennessee, which both he and his father had represented in the Senate, making him the first, the first major party presidential candidate to have lost his home state since George McGovern lost South Dakota in 1972.
Couldn't even win his own goddamn home state.
Furthermore, Gore lost West Virginia, a state that had voted Republican only once in the previous six presidential elections.
A victory in either of those two states would have given Gore enough electoral votes to win the presidency.
So again, we're talking about a monumentally bad candidate already.
Can't win his home state.
This should be all you need to know to end this stupid argument.
12% of Florida Democrats, over 200,000 of them voted for Republican George Bush.
That's from the San Francisco Chronicle.
That's from November 9th, 2000.
12% of Florida Democrats, over 200,000 of them voted for George Bush.
Gore couldn't even convince Democrats.
So it wasn't Democrats who voted for Nader in Florida.
It was Democrats who voted for George Bush.
No one ever mentions this.
Al Gore lost by 537 votes officially.
So that means anybody could have swung the election if you look at it like that.
Look at this.
The Workers' World Party candidate Monica Morris, she received 1,500 votes.
Now, you would think that's taking votes away from the Democrat because that's a workers' party.
Nobody ever even mentions that.
They were on the ballot.
That's the beauty of democracy.
You get to run.
You get to run for the office and people get to vote for you.
They get to exercise their conscience.
They get to vote.
That's what's called a democracy.
1,500 votes went to her.
Al Gore lost by 537 votes.
What?
Nobody's mad at them.
Nobody's mad at Monica Moorhead.
And here's one more.
So this is from the Democratic Leadership Council chair, L. Fromm.
He said, I think they're wrong on all counts, people who blame Nader.
He says this, the Democratic Leadership Council, DLC.
The assertion that Nader's marginal vote hurt Gore is not borne out by the polling data.
When exit pollers asked voters how they would have voted in a two-way race, if it was just Bush and Gore, Bush actually won by a percentage point.
That was better than he did with Nader in the race.
So if you take Nader out of the race, George Bush would have gotten even more votes.
So Nader took votes away from Bush more than he took them.
According to the DLC chairman, El Fromm, when exit pollers asked voters how they would have voted in a two-way race, Bush actually won by a point.
That was better.
So 200,000 Democrats voted for George Bush.
1,500 other people voted for our candidate who ran in the workers' party.
Al Gore couldn't win his own state and he couldn't win Virginia.
Couldn't win his own goddamn home state.
If that's not enough, that's enough right there.
It's not Ralph Nader's fault.
The DLC guy just told you, Al From, if he wasn't in the race, Bush would have won by more.
Here's another thing they don't talk about.
Florida Secretary of State, remember, Jeb Bush was the governor of Florida at the time, the brother of George Bush running the state where all the shenanigans happens.
That Secretary of State hired a private firm known as Database Technologies, now Choice Point Corporation, to identify convicted felons and remove them from Florida's voting rolls.
Prior to the election, 94,000 voters were removed.
So in Florida, the Secretary of State who works for Bush goes, hey, we got to somehow make sure he wins the state because it looks like he's going to lose.
So they go, I know, we'll kick off a lot of the people who are normally going to vote for a Democrat, you know, like minorities.
And what do we do?
We'll hire a company and we'll tell them just be as reckless as possible and kick as many black people you can off the rolls.
And they did it.
They kicked off 94,000 of them.
This kicked them off the rolls.
And this is legal if someone has been convicted of a felony, but it turns out 97% were innocent.
So 97% of those 90-some thousand people who the Secretary of State in Florida kicked off the voting rolls should not have been kicked off.
So that right there, election fraud, you're suppressing the vote, Hank.
Wasn't that because like their names were similar?
Well, here, I'll tell you what it was.
I'll tell you, the list was full of mistakes, mainly because of the criteria that was used.
It compared its list of felons with the Florida voting rolls by looking for a rough match between the names and date of birth.
So for instance, someone named Christine Smith could have been disqualified if there had been a Christopher Smith of the same age with a felony record somewhere in the United States.
The database company also used race as a matching criterion, skewing the impact of the errors given more against black voters.
So this is a targeted, again, this is real election fraud.
How is that not?
How is that legal?
How is the people who do this not in jail?
Because she's the law.
She's the Secretary of State.
They get to do whatever they want.
And then the Supreme Court is completely corrupted because they were appointed by the guy who's running for the presidency.
His dad.
It's like we're living in a banana republic.
It's like we're in a third world.
This is the kind of you hear about happening in Haiti.
No, it happened right here in America.
The contested election gets overturned in the state run by the guy's brother.
Catherine Harris was George Bush's campaign manager.
The campaign manager for the state.
The Nation magazine reported, quote, immediately after the November 7, 2000 election, minority voters who had never committed crimes complained of having had their names removed from voting rolls in a purge of ex-felons and of being denied translation services required by law and of harassment by poll workers and law enforcement officials.
So they're harassing people who are trying to vote.
They're not getting them translation, which they're supposed to.
And they're kicking people off the voting rolls, saying they're felons, even though they're not.
97% of the people they kicked off weren't felons.
The list of voters denied the right to vote was overwhelmingly Democratic and half were minorities.
Al Gore neither protested the disenfranchisement nor supported these voters' lawsuit to regain their vote.
So those people were upset that they weren't allowed to vote.
And so were their representatives.
Their African-American representatives in Congress were upset.
Now, in a joint session of Congress, both the House of Representatives and the U.S. Senate met to certify the election results of the 2000 election.
Al Gore, in his dual role of outgoing vice president and president of the Senate, presided over the event that would officially anoint George W. Bush, President of the United States.
Now, here's the key.
If any congressman wanted to raise an objection about the certification of the election, the rules insisted that he get a signature and the support of at least one U.S. Senator.
This is them trying to raise objections about all those people being purged from the voter rolls.
And it's pretty sad.
Mr. President, and I take great pride in calling you that.
I must object because of the overwhelming evidence of official misconduct.
Deliberately chair.
And I'll tell the chair must remind members that under section 18 of Title III, United States Code, no debate is allowed in the joint session.
Thank you, Mr. President.
To answer your question, Mr. So that's Al Gore overseeing this.
President, the objection is in writing, signed by a number of members of the House of Representatives, but not by a member of the Senate.
Mr. President, it is in writing and signed by several House colleagues on behalf and myself of the 27,000 voters of Duval County in which 16,000 of them are African Americans that was disenfranchised in this last election.
Is the objection signed by a member of the Senate?
Not signed by a member of the Senate.
The Senate is missing.
Mr. President, it is in writing and signed by myself on behalf of many of the diverse constituents in our country.
So all that stuff I just told you about how they disenfranchised black voters in Florida, how there was a sham election.
And there's Al Gore just going right along.
Ah, who cares?
We're not going to investigate it.
They stole an election.
There was a coup in America.
Who cares?
Who cares?
George Bush isn't that much different than me anyway.
Sure, he's going to start an illegal, insane war, but 60% of the Democrats, including Hillary Clinton, are going to go along with it.
We're for this stuff.
Only those of the ninth congressional district and all American voters who recognize that the Supreme Court, not the people of the United States, decided this election.
Is the objection signed by a senator?
Unfortunately, Mr. President, it is not signed by one single senator.
Unfortunately, I have no authority over the United States Senate and no senator has signed.
Mr. President, it is in writing and signed by myself and several of my constituents, constituents in Florida.
A senator is needed, but missing.
Is the objection in writing and signed by a member of the House and a senator?
The objection is in writing, and I don't care that it is not.
It is not signed by a member of the Senate.
The chair will advise that the rules do care.
So not only would Al Gore not step up for himself or the American people, but he won't stand up for those disenfranchised black voters in Florida.
And he's going to let the government be taken over by someone who stole the election on purpose, standing up there in his $5,000 suit, sitting there with all his corporate money jammed up his ass.
Al Gore wouldn't even stand up for himself.
It's a sad day in America, Mr. President, when we can't find a senator to sign.
The objections.
Won't sign the objections, Mr. President.
The gentleman will suspend.
And there is Al Gore.
Won't stand up for himself, won't stand up for the American people, won't stand up for black people who were knocked off the voting rolls illegally, won't stand up for the rule of law, won't stand up for a goddamn thing.
And you wonder why people think Democrats are wimps.
The guy won't even stand up to a coup that took place from him.
And he's gabbling down the people who are pointing out how corrupt it was.
The election that screwed him over.
He's shut up.
This isn't about that.
It's about one word.
It's like George Carlin said, it's a big club and you ain't in it.
You ain't in it.
Those black people aren't in it.
People forget this is what happened, too.
This is also from that movie at the inauguration.
People forgot.
The gentleman will suspend.
Inauguration coverage, 2001, on a nasty, but it could be worse kind of day in Washington.
Horrible day.
People still show up to protest.
People still showed up to protest.
On the day George W. Bush was inaugurated, tens of thousands of Americans poured into the streets of D.C. in one last attempt to reclaim what had been taken from them.
They pelted Bush's limo with eggs and brought the inauguration parade to a halt.
The plan to have Bush get out of the limo for the traditional walk to the White House was scrapped.
Bush's limo hit the gas to prevent an even larger riot.
No president had ever witnessed such a thing on his inauguration day.
And that's the power of the people.
And I think that we need to do this stuff again and make our rulers afraid of us.
Chris Hedges tells a story that Henry Kissinger, there was protesters outside, thousands of them outside the White House.
And Nixon turns to Kissinger and said, Henry, I'm afraid if they break through the barricades, they'll come for us and kill us.
And that's exactly where our leaders should be.
They should be afraid of us.
And it wasn't Ralph Nader.
And those same people telling you don't vote for a third party are these, these are the people.
These are them.
Al Gore's of the world, who's okay with George Bush being president, who's okay with black people being kicked off the rolls.
Well, El Gore, what a waste of a politician.
Let's also remember that it was not Ralph Nader, because if they would have continued counting the votes in Florida, which legally they were supposed to do, because the Supreme Court of Florida said, hey, we need to recount these votes.
They're going to recount them.
And Al Gore would again won.
But the Supreme Court stepped in and stopped it.
They've never did that before.
And they did it on a five to four vote, completely partisan, upturning precedents, which they're not supposed to.
So it was corrupt from start to finish this election.
Justice Paul Stevens wrote in his dissenting opinion, though we may never know with complete certainty the identity of the winner of this year's presidential election, the identity of the loser is perfectly clear.
It is the nation's confidence in the judge as an impartial guardian of the rule of law.
Also, Ginsburg and Breyer joined into that opinion.
Still going to blame Ralph Nader?
200,000 Democrats vote for him.
They purge 90,000-something black people off the votes.
Al Gore doesn't stand up or say anything.
Nothing.
Nope.
Couldn't win his own home state.
Still, nope, Virginia, West Virginia, they lose.
Democrats never, nope.
Still Ralph Nader, right?
Still The guy who's calling out bullshit.
We're a nation of alcoholics in America.
We don't get mad at the guy who's pummeling us.
We get mad at the guy who points out the guy's pummeling us.
That's Ralph Nader.
And now it's Jill Stein.
And watch it too.
When establishment Democrats, when they try to debate someone to the left of them, they first discredit them.
They did it to Bernie.
They couldn't go after his policy, so they had to say he was a misogynist and a sexist and all this.
He's grumpy.
They do it to Jill Stein.
She's anti-science.
She's a doctor.
They red-baited her.
She's got pictures of her with Putin.
Oh, God.
And they do the same thing to Ralph.
They did the same thing to Ralph Nader.
They smear him because you can't argue his ideas.
They can't argue his ideas.
So they smear him.
They marginalize him.
They shut up.
And you better give your vote to the military industrial complex.
You better give your vote to Wall Street.
You better give your vote to fracking.
You better give your vote to Big Pharma or else you're a bad American like Ralph Nader.
Don't let anybody tell you Ralph Nader cost any election.
What it costs the election was corruption and people already sick and tired of neoliberalism.
And 200,000 Democrats voting for George Bush.
Blame Ralph Nader.
200,000 Democrats vote for him.
They purge 90,000-something black people off the votes.
Al Gore doesn't stand up or say anything.
Nothing.
Nope.
Couldn't win his own home state.
Still, nope.
Virginia, West Virginia, they lose.
Democrats never.
Nope.
Still Ralph Nader, right?
Still the guy who's calling out bullshit.
We're a nation of alcoholics in America.
We don't get mad at the guy who's pummeling us.
We get mad at the guy who points out the guy's pummeling us.
That's Ralph Nader.
And now it's Jill Stein.
And watch it too.
When establishment Democrats, when they try to debate someone to the left of them, they first discredit them.
They did it to Bernie.
They couldn't go after his policy, so they had to say he was a misogynist and a sexist and all this.
He's grumpy.
They do it to Jill Stein.
She's anti-science.
She's a doctor.
They red-baited her.
She's a friend.
I got pictures of her with Putin.
Oh, God.
And they do the same thing to Ralph.
They did the same thing to Ralph Nader.
They smear him because you can't argue his ideas.
They can't argue his ideas.
So they smear him.
They marginalize him.
They shut up.
And you better give your vote to the military industrial complex.
You better give your vote to Wall Street.
You better give your vote to fracking.
You better give your vote to Big Pharma or else you're a bad American like Ralph Nader.
Don't let anybody tell you Ralph Nader cost me the election.
What it costs the election was corruption and people already sick and tired of neoliberalism and 200,000 Democrats voting for George Bush.
I just want to, I know we just covered this, but it's just funny to me that with all the corruption surrounding the 2000 election, all the corruption from the Supreme Court to the Catherine Harris to knocking people off the rolls to voting rolls to just to the Electoral College.
It's just weird to me that you have all that stuff and the people's answer to that, all that corruption is no more third parties.
Yeah, we got to stop having a third voice.
That's the problem.
Like I know we just beat this already on the show, but as I'm going to drop this podcast, I just needed to make that point that it's just weird that that's people's response to all that corruption and all those rich white guys not willing to do a goddamn thing about black people being kicked and their votes being taken away.
The most American thing in the world is being able to vote one man, one vote, and they took it away.
And it's just so weird to see that people's response to all that corruption from top to bottom, their response to it is to wag their finger and say we need less voices in our American political system.
That to me seems crazy.
And if it seems as crazy to you as it does to me, you will understand why I'm saying and doing the things I'm doing, which by the way, I am taking a ton of heat for.
So a ton of heat.
I haven't been vilified.
You know, that's the thing.
When someone disagrees with you and you're to the left of them, they don't just disagree with your ideas.
They have to tear you down your character.
They have to smear you.
So I get a little taste of that, which, you know, I'll take it.
No problem.
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