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April 2, 2016 - Jimmy Dore Show
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Get ready for an outstanding entertainment program.
The Jimmy Dore Show!
The Jimmy Dore Show!
Beep.
*phone rings*
Hello, who's this?
Buddy.
Harrison here.
The big HF.
Harrison Ford, what a pleasure, buddy.
Hey, Jim Jam.
Still wearing those hick shirts with the boiled collars and whatnot and so forth.
Um, huh?
I'm sorry, Jimmy.
I'm unintelligible.
Okay, listen.
Hey, I've heard you're selling your Han Solo jacket.
That should be quite an auction, huh?
Yeah, thanks, Jimmy.
I'm really proud of it.
It should fetch at least $35,000.
That'll buy me some sweet cush.
Uh-huh.
For about a week, I gotta sell another lightsaber or some crap like that.
Wasn't that money supposed to go to charity, Harrison?
Yeah, maybe.
And congrats on the new Indiana Jones movie, by the way.
That should be terrific.
Yeah.
But they're going to have to rename it Indiana Groans.
Indiana Groans?
Why is that?
I'm old, Jimmy.
Oh, okay.
All right.
That's my prime.
Apparently, the plot centers around digging up an ancient cultural relic that's almost impossible to decipher.
Me.
You're being too hard on yourself, Harrison.
Can you hold on for a sec, Jimmy?
I gotta light up a fatty.
Okay.
We open up this window.
Harrison, are you smoking pot while you're flying an airplane?
Fuck yeah, Jimmy.
Nothing better than having a little shibba-chabba clambake in the old cockpit.
Harrison, be careful, buddy.
Do you think that's wise?
You're right.
Actually, you're right.
I'll shut the window.
I'm losing way too much smoke.
Harrison, I'm all for smoking pot, but you know you shouldn't.
I know you are.
But you know you shouldn't smoke pot while you're piloting a plane.
Oh, yeah, why not?
Well, for one thing, Harrison, impaired judgment.
Well, what a coinky dick.
That's the name of my plane.
Impaired judgment.
Harrison, you could crash.
Look, it's perfectly safe.
I got my flight plan approved with the FDA and all that kind of nonsense.
You mean the FAA, not the FDA?
Uh-oh.
Uh-oh.
So how soon do you start shooting your new flick, buddy?
You know what?
They should call it Florida Jones, not Indiana Jones, but Florida Jones.
Why is that, Florida Jones?
What?
Because it's warm down there and it's full of retirees.
I'm old, Jimmy.
Past my prime.
Well, whatever it's called, I can assure you we're all going to be looking forward to it.
Jimmy, help.
Mayday!
Mayday!
What's happening?
Are you okay?
No, I'm still on the ground.
Okay, well, that's good.
Who is this?
It's me, Jimmy.
It's Jimmy Harrison.
Did you know Steven Spielberg originally asked me to play out for Schindler and Schindler's list?
I refused.
Why?
Why did you say no to Schindler's list?
I don't do lists.
For example, here's a list I made this morning.
Number one, Zizax Plurm Whip Whip.
What?
That's what it says.
Number two, repeat number one on list.
I mean, what the fuck is that?
Yeah, I guess I understand your aversion to lists.
I'm unintelligible.
Hey, I wonder what this button is for.
It's the Jimmy Dore Show.
The show for...
...the up-minded, lowly-livered lapdies.
The kind of people that are...
It's the show that makes Anderson Cooper say.
It's on talking to T-Gale.
And now, here's a guy who sounds a lot like me.
It's Jimmy Dore!
Hey, welcome to this week's show.
I'm joined in the studio by hilarious comedian author of Morning Remembrance, real obituaries.
No, fake obituaries of real dead people.
Jim Earl is here.
He's going to be reading his Nancy Reagan obituary later in the show.
Hey, Jim, how are you?
Hey, Jimmy, it's great to be here.
Can I just say something?
I'm really tired of hearing all these Zika virus jokes.
A lot of real small-minded people out there.
Okay, thanks.
Also with us from the Miserable Liberal, it's our resident Latina, Steph Zamarano.
Hey, Steph, how are you?
I'm fantastic, Co.
Ola, you're still here.
You have not been deported.
Also with us, hilarious comedian Hank Thompson.
Hey, Hank, how are you?
Hey, Jimmy, I'm on a diet and I'm very upset.
You need to watch what you eat, though.
I'll tell you this.
I'm not an Obama supporter, so this is aimed at you, the Obama supporters.
There is no escaping the harsh truth that Batman versus Superman happened on Obama's watch.
Mm-hmm.
Mm-hmm.
That was...
That was such a stupid joke I knew would make Jim giggle.
I hated the part where little Lada had this pied small bill in her vagina.
Haven't seen it yet.
Last thing.
Hey, did you hear about the they're passing all the laws in North Carolina about transgenders not being able to use the bathrooms and stuff?
The anti-gay, they're very anti-gay, right?
And the last thing a conservative wants, the last thing a conservative wants, is a transgender person coming into the bathroom while they're shitting on the Constitution.
Am I right?
People.
Am I right?
Hey, I don't know if you heard, but last week, Bernie had some really big wins.
He must have had some really big wins because the news networks didn't really cover it.
Hey, did you hear Trump really stepped in at this time?
He was talking about abortion.
And he said if a woman commits an abortion, if she has an abortion, which he considers murder of a baby, she should be punished.
So, and Trump realized people are saying Trump really stepped into it this time, stating a position that is the inevitable logical outgrowth of the official GOP stance on abortion.
He really, really shouldn't have said that.
That joke is about logic and about a logical progression of thoughts.
Hey, did you hear there was a guy hijacked?
Did you hear that guy hijacked an Egyptian airline?
Hijacked an Egyptian airline, and he said he did it because he was upset at his ex-wife.
Now, why aren't all the people who've had marital difficulties condemning this?
You see the joke there?
I twisted it because usually they all want Muslims to come out against whenever there's an ISIS.
You see what I'm saying?
I thought you were going to go into an airline food joke.
No.
No, nobody gets meals anymore on airlines.
Nobody.
You always bring your own food on.
Hey, did you, the GOP convention's just around the corner, and they say Trump is going to need 1,237 racists to secure the nomination.
Hank did not see that joke coming up.
Easter Sunday last Sunday.
You know, Easter takes me back.
It does take me back to my youth when I used to attend church every Sunday as part of my rigorous training to become a lapsed Catholic.
That's it.
That's all for the jokes coming up.
What's coming up on today's show?
We got phone calls from Liam Neeson is going to call in.
Another phone call, I'm not sure what it is, but it's coming.
Susan Sarandon had a conversation with Chris Hayes.
We're going to talk about that.
Let's see what else is happening.
I got to go through my Chris Hayes brings on some people to tell him that it's not the media's fault that Donald Trump is on the rise.
Chuck Todd says something stupid.
And a lot lot more.
Oh, Hillary Clinton's ties to the fossil fuel industry and her very curt response to a questioner.
Plus a lot lot more.
That's today on the Jimmy Dore Show.
So everybody's making a big deal out of this radio interview that a guy named Charlie Sykes did with Donald Trump.
He's an AM radio show host in Wisconsin, right-wing radio show hosts.
Is there any other kind of radio show hosts in America?
If it's on commercial, it's no, he's right-wing.
So he did an interview with Donald Trump, and he actually pushed back.
So like when he wasn't answering the question, he said, hey, you're not answering the question.
And when he had a double standard, the guy said, well, that's a double standard.
Stuff like that.
So he pushed back like you would do if you talked to a normal person.
Here's an example of the stuff Charlie Sykes did.
Okay, here we go.
Became a celebrity in the sense and talking Are the rules different for celebrities?
Are celebrities allowed to insult women?
They are different, but certainly I never thought I would run for office.
And many people, you know, Howard Stern would interview me and everybody would be having fun and the women would be laughing.
Well, but you're saying the same thing.
I mean, you have mocked Megan Kelly.
You have mocked Carly Fiorini.
I'm not a fan of Megan Kelly.
I mean, I'm allowed to say that.
Okay, so that was part of the interview.
And that guy who actually did journalism on Donald Trump, that blew the other quote-unquote TV newsman's brain so much that they sent MSNBC sent a reporter to interview that interviewer.
Like, hey, go find out what that was like to actually push back.
They did.
They sent a guy named Tony DeKoppol.
He's the new young reporter over at MSNBC.
That's how they attract new young viewers.
They don't actually do it with content.
They just give younger people to regurgitate talking points from the establishment.
Like, oh, look, there's a younger person giving us the corporate spin.
So anyway, so he actually goes to interview the guy, Charlie, who did the interview with Donald Trump and actually called him out on his BS in real time as he was saying it.
And here's part of that, right?
And by the way, this guy, Charlie, very humble about it.
He says he's just doing his job.
Here he is.
I guess I'm surprised that there have not been more interviews.
I mean, I thought I was direct with him.
I didn't think it was that challenging.
So the fact that people were surprised, wow, we've gotten this far with nobody challenging Donald Trump seriously?
Are people afraid to take on Donald Trump?
Are they afraid?
What are they afraid of to be able to do this?
So I think that, you know, one would hope that this would encourage other people on radio and television.
Look, the stakes are high.
We're talking about the president of the United States.
He should be able to answer some tough questions.
And that's your job.
And that's your job.
You should be able to answer some tough questions.
And Charlie's like, what's the big deal?
I just asked him some tough questions.
That's what you're supposed to do.
What is everyone afraid of?
Guess what?
We're going to find out what everybody's afraid of because a journalist is going to accidentally tell the truth right now.
So this is our friend Tony DeCoupel, or however you say his name.
He's the new young reporter at MS. He's going to tell us.
Well, first of all, he starts off like this.
This is great.
He's going to say, hey, don't be so hard on ourselves.
Here we go.
Before we beat ourselves up too much for not challenging Donald Trump in the same way that Charlie Sykes did.
Before we beat ourselves up too much.
Let me tell you something.
He's not going to beat himself up even a little.
Watch this excuse.
This reveals everything that's wrong with journalism today.
Here we go.
Charlie did a one and done.
That's the term of art here in the journalism world.
He knew he had one shot at Donald Trump.
He didn't even think he was going to get it because he assumed somebody from the Trump campaign would Google Charlie Sykes and see that for almost a year now, Charlie's been calling Trump a vulgar buffoon saying that he needs to build a firewall here in Wisconsin to stop the Trump train as it moves through toward November, doing everything he can to block Batman's nomination.
He didn't think he was going to get the interview.
He got it.
He pushed it as much as he could.
He started off very polite.
Happy Easter.
Congratulations on the new grandchild.
But oh, by the way, here in Wisconsin, we value civility and decorum and truth-telling, conservative principles, and we don't really think you have them.
And then he calls him a bully.
He reminds him multiple times that your answers remind me of a playground, not a campaign for the president of the United States.
So Charlie Sykes, he took his opportunity.
He knew it was going to be a one and done.
He does not have to go back to Donald Trump ever again.
People who are on the beat, people who work for our network, they have to keep that relationship going for a long, long time.
Charlie did not have that burden.
And as a result, he had the luxury of being incredibly blistering.
I don't know if you caught that, but doing actual journalism, according to our new MSNBC reporter, is a luxury.
That is a luxury.
Doing real journalism.
Oh, sure, he's got the luxury.
I've got to follow this guy around.
I have to keep reporting for the whole campaign.
I can't ask him real questions.
I have to report on him for a long time.
So what Tony just said was that I can't ask tough questions and get real answers Because if I ask tough questions and get real answers or expose this guy for being a fraud, I'll never get another interview again.
And all I'll have is this one great interview I did.
So, what he's really, so what I'm doing instead, this is what Tony's saying, what I'm doing instead is I always ask softball questions of Donald Trump.
And why do I do that?
Because I'm a journalist and I know my job isn't to get answers or break news, but my job is to get access.
So I'm asking softball questions so he'll give me another opportunity again to ask more softball questions.
I'm going to ask bullshit questions and not push back if you promise to let me do it again.
And that's what we've said.
What's wrong with the Sunday news?
It's wrong with all of TV journalism.
They want access.
They're chummy with these people.
They all go to the same parties.
That's what's wrong.
That's exactly, he just admitted.
Oh, sure.
And I don't know if you saw he was almost smug about it.
He was like, oh, sure, Charlie, he's doing what they call a one and done.
All right.
He doesn't have to keep reporting badly for months.
He could just go in and do his real job once and get the hell out of there.
He's not like me, where he has to keep just running pictures of Donald Trump under me saying nothing.
So that's what he's saying.
We put up pictures of stuff on the campaign trail.
Then I talk, but we're not actually doing journalism.
We're just doing a show so we can sell soap.
And we're not really doing anything.
I'm not asking any questions.
If you want, if you guys, if you want the real questions, if you want real interviews, you're not going to get it at MSNBC or NBC News, which is a division of the biggest media conglomerate in the freaking world, Comcast NBC Universal.
He has all that heft behind him as a journalist, but you're not going to get good journalism out of him if you want it.
You know where the good interviews are done?
On AM Radio in Wisconsin.
That's what he just told.
Hey, if you want to hear a real interview, you got to get an AM radio guy from Wisconsin to do it for you.
I just work at NBC News.
It's all about access journalism.
He just admitted it.
He just admitted it.
The End Hey, guess what?
This is Ben Spotted at the start of the Jimmy Dore show.
And you're also listening to Jimmy Dore right now as a podcast on iTunes.
That's something that's possible for you to do.
Probably you're doing it right now.
You can also check out your favorite show, The Jimmy Dore Show, at youtube.com/slash the Jimmy Dore show.
That's another way you could visually watch and get content from your podcast.
Why would you want to do that?
Were you some sort of rat fake?
Come on, let's do it.
So we all know that Chuck Todd, the host of Press the Meet, is a corporate tool who doesn't do real journalism.
He does what they call access journalism, which means, hey, if you come on my show and I'll interview you, you powerful person, I won't ask you any hard questions.
And so I'm doing that so you promise to come back on my show so I can have famous people on my show who are powerful.
And so I can get ratings because people want to see powerful people.
They don't want to see journalism.
So I'm not going to do any.
How do I know this to be a fact?
Because Chuck Todd accidentally told everybody last year when he was talking with Lewis Black on his own show.
Here's what Chuck Todd said about it.
So Lewis Black is making the case that I don't know how you talk to these politicians, Chuck, because I would just start barking at them.
And watch Chuck's response.
Watch you and everybody else.
Where somebody comes on, and I don't know how you do it with kids.
I don't know how you do it.
I'd be barking at them.
We all sit there because we all know the first time we bark, it's the last time we do the show.
There's something sometimes where it's the last time you're ever all of a sudden, nobody will come on your show, right?
There is that balance.
There is that balance.
There is that balance, you know, between not doing journalism and getting bookings.
That balance, right?
So will you come on my show?
Will you ask a hard question?
No, I'll come on your show.
That's the balance.
I'm going to ask a hard question, not coming on.
No, that's out of balance.
I won't ask a hard question.
I'll come on.
Look how balanced it is.
Yeah, the first time we have integrity is the last time we get to be on TV.
The first time we have integrity, that's the last time we get to be on TV.
That's hilarious.
So I saw this on Twitter today.
I don't know what show he was on or what the hell Chuck Todd was saying, but listen to the crazy stuff he said.
Now, we all know that the establishment media is in the can for Hillary Clinton.
It doesn't want anything to do with Bernie Sanders.
It's against Bernie Sanders.
By the way, CNN, they don't ever tell you this, but Time Waters is like the seventh biggest contributor to Hillary Clinton's campaign.
They don't tell you that.
They don't tell you that.
But they do tell you that Bernie Sanders is pie in the sky and his stuff will never work.
And by the way, he's probably a sexist.
Can I just point out real quick?
Whenever I look at Chuck Todd, I always think he looks like he just got his head checked for life.
His hair, it's got those lines.
Sorry.
Looks like a comb.
Okay.
So here's Chuck Todd talking about Bernie Sanders.
Ready?
Here we go.
Tip of money in Wisconsin.
He's outspending her six to one.
Wow.
That sort of type of figures that he did in New Hampshire.
So he's talking about how much money Bernie Sanders is spending on the campaign.
You know, the guy who doesn't take a penny from corporations, doesn't take a penny from the fossil fuel industry, doesn't take a penny from military industrial complex, doesn't take a penny from Wall Street.
That guy, somehow he's, what's with all the money this guy's throwing around?
You mean the money given to him by citizens?
Citizens that gave him that money.
Here we go.
Here's Chuck Todd.
Here's Chuck Todd.
He's a little upset with all the money Bernie Sanders is spending that he got from.
Tip of money in Wisconsin, he's outspending her six to one.
Wow.
That sort of type of figures that he did in New Hampshire where he bought a landslide?
He bought a, it was individual donors.
He bought a landslide.
Did he buy a landslide in Alaska?
Because in Alaska, he got 82.1% of the vote.
That doesn't even sound like a percentage of the vote you could get.
That sounds like a radio station.
82.1, the burn.
He literally just said that.
You know, how he bought a landslide.
Yeah, it couldn't have been that his ideas are catching on, that 30,000 people will stand out in the rain to listen to him talk.
Hillary Clinton can't fill a freaking high school gymnasium.
But no, no, but it's Bernie Sanders.
It's the money.
It's not his ideas or his message.
This guy, he's doing it all on money and good looks.
It's all about because he's good looking.
He's a good speaker.
He dresses snappy.
He's got a hot wife.
It's all that stuff.
That's what people like about it.
He's got a lot of money.
That's why people like Bernie Sanders.
Chuck Todd, I think whenever I see him, I'm like, are you covering politics in another country and they just dropped you in here today?
Because that's what it always sounds like when I hear Chuck Todd.
Chuck Todd, remember, he was the guy who couldn't figure out Why Bernie Sanders called Donald Trump a pathological liar.
What do you mean by that?
Chuck Todd, this is Chuck Todd.
It's like he's the most uninformed guy in America.
Let's give him the number one political reporter's job in America.
So if you've ever seen that movie Broadcast News with Albert Brooks and William Hurt, Chuck Todd is William Hurts.
He's the guy.
He's that guy.
He doesn't even understand what he's doing is wrong.
He's just, that's just what you do.
What are you talking about?
And now it's time for a reading from the book, Morning Remembrance: Fake Obituaries of Real Dead People by Jim Earle.
Nancy Reagan, 40th President of the United States.
Nancy Reagan, the controlling, pill-popping, child-beating matriarch of a sick, fucked-up family who regularly stole Valium and diuretics from each other.
And proud wife to a president who once declared catch up a vegetable before ultimately becoming one is now dead of complications resulting from a ruptured gipper or in medical terms, congestive heartless failure.
According to witnesses, moments after she fell ill, Nancy uttered her last words: Fire the fucking astrologer.
She should have predicted that.
Though death was officially declared on March 6th, doctors say her soul probably just said no to life the second she decided to go into acting.
When reached for comment, friend Tom Brokaw ignored most of the facts and said something insultingly stupid.
Reagan defined the role of First Lady, taking on such important responsibilities as ignoring AIDS, hoarding flower vases, and criminalizing entire neighborhoods of black people.
But perhaps her greatest challenge came the day Ronald Reagan was diagnosed with Alzheimer's.
For now, at long last, she finally had the complete control needed to exact obsessive revenge fantasies upon her empty flesh robot husband.
As partial payback for all those years, her stepdad withheld the love she was never emotionally equipped to receive to begin with.
But she was a snazzy dresser.
After her husband's death, Nancy took on the role of vigilant caretaker for his legacy at the Reagan Library, where she could often be seen dusting off the book.
Family members can console themselves with the thought that now Nancy's up in heaven, still refusing to help Rock Hudson get treatment.
And that was another reading from the book Morning Remembrance, Fake Obituaries of Real Dead People by Jim Earl, available at jimearill.com.
Thank you.
Thank you.
you you Now, here is a video that I just came across.
This is from November 18th, 2014.
Why am I showing you that kind of a video?
Because it was about a soccer game, I mean, a soccer, a hockey game between the Toronto Maple Leafs and the Nashville Predators.
So they're in Canada, eh?
And they sing both national anthems.
And while the singer, the young lady, is singing the United States national anthem, the mic cuts out.
So I don't know.
What do you think would happen in America if a Canadian was singing the Canadian national anthem and the mic cut out?
What do you think a United States hockey crowd would do?
Don't answer, because here's what a Canadian hockey crowd did.
You ready?
Do you have any idea?
What do you think hocke hockey people are?
Crazy, brutal.
Here we go.
We're in Toronto.
It goes out.
This is what happens.
And the rocket's red glare, the bombs bursting in air, gave the light of the sky.
Oh, say does that star-spangled banner yet wave O'er the land of the free and the home of the free.
Freaking crazy, eh?
Holy moly.
They finished a song for they finished another country's national anthem.
And that would never happen in America.
And you know why?
Because we don't know anybody else's national anthem, especially Canada's, eh?
I can, this is what I know.
Oh, Canada.
Oh, Canada.
Canada, we stand on guard for thee.
I think that's some of it.
I don't know.
I think we'd start singing the Gilligan's Island theme.
That's all we know.
Right back and you'll hear a tale, a tale of a fateful trip that started from this puppet port aboard this tiny ship.
The mate was a mighty sailing man, the skipper brave and true.
By passengers, set sail that day for a three-hour tour, a three-hour tour.
I don't know the rest.
We're not going to sing it.
With Mary Ann.
I just know there's a hot one.
But anyway, that makes me feel proud.
That makes me feel proud.
I'm not Canadian, so I can't say that.
I can't say it.
That makes me feel proud to know our next president is Canadian, Ted Cruz.
Yeah.
Canada's a great country.
Canada's a great country.
That's another more living proof.
They're America's Europe.
They are.
Yeah.
And by the way, try to find somebody in Canada, eh, who doesn't like socialized medicine.
Can't find them, eh?
There's problems, sure.
I was in Montreal, and we were doing a podcast as people walking down the street, and I was kept trying.
Hey, how do you feel about your health care?
They loved it.
Do you want to switch with America?
It was like a joke to them because it is a joke.
So anyway, that's Canada.
Another good reason why Canada, eh?
Socialism, don't be afraid of it.
Don't freak out.
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All right, now let's get back to the second half of the show.
All right.
Welcome back to the second half of the Jimmy Door show.
We got a phone call from John Kasich coming up later.
But right now, we're going to take a look at some horrible interviewing done by the progressive media, quote unquote, at MSNBC.
Let's get to it.
So Chris Hayes, who's the pretend progressive over at MSNBC, I'm sure he's a nice guy.
And if I met him, we'd have a good time having a drink.
And if he dated my sister, I'd be okay with it.
But I'm just pointing out that they're doing pretend progressive journalism over at MSNBC.
So it's not progressive.
It's corporate start, middle, and at the end.
It's corporate, corporate, corporate.
And Chris Hayes doesn't say anything that isn't pre-approved by his corporate overlords, Comcast.
Let's remember they fired Phil Donahue for being too loud about being against the Iraq war.
And they just fired Ed Schultz for being too loudly against the TPP deal.
Okay.
And they fired other people.
I don't have time to go in, but those are the two big ones.
So he had on Christopher Hayes, had on Susan Sarandon, right?
Now, Susan Sarandon is what you want to see on television.
She's photogenic.
She has charisma.
She's what they call telegenic.
All the things Chris Hayes is not, right?
He has no charisma.
And he's not really compelling to watch on television.
Whereas Susan Sarandon is all those things.
He has Susan Sarandon on, who's a big Bernie supporter.
And let's watch his first question to Susan Sarandon.
So you've been on the campaign trail with Bernie Sanders quite a bit, a bunch of states.
I'm always curious what you feel like.
What do you get from that?
What do you get from that?
You know, that's the same question Hillary's super PAC contributors ask her when they hand over the checks.
What do you get from that?
What do you get from that when they give you money, your super PAC, when they give you money?
What do you get from that?
Do you think he ever asked that to Hillary?
What do you get from hanging around the Bernie Sanders campaign?
And it's not like, hey, tell everybody what it's like to be around an historic, revolutionary campaign of a 70-something-year-old guy appealing to 18-year-olds.
What's that like?
That's one question.
But the way he asked that question was like a little dick.
I don't know if you've noticed that, but here it comes again.
So you've been on the campaign trail with Bernie Sanders quite a bit, a bunch of states.
I'm always curious what you feel like.
What do you get from that?
I'm always, I'm always curious.
What the fuck do you get from, what are you doing?
What a weird question.
And what a weirder way to say it.
Dismissive, condescending.
What do you get from that?
What do you get from going out and experiencing an historic presidential campaign firsthand?
What would you possibly get out of it?
You know, you've been following Bobby Kennedy around this campaign.
What do you get out of that?
What do you get out of hanging around Bobby Kennedy and seeing him talk to people and meeting people who are attracted to his message?
Why wouldn't you just stay in a TV news studio in Manhattan like I do and pretend I know stuff?
And now I'm going to come at you for supporting the guy who's actually a real liberal and progressive.
But what do you get out of that?
What do you get out of experience in democracy up close?
What do you get out of that?
What a weird question that was.
Am I out of my mind or is that weird?
It's completely condescending.
It's like he's saying, why are you hanging out with Bernie?
What are you doing with your life?
What are you doing with it?
What do you get out of that?
Did anything come after that, though?
Maybe something following that will explain that question better.
No, nothing.
Nothing?
Nothing.
No context or anything.
Do you get a thrill out of it?
Is it great being with the guy?
No, that was it.
That was the whole question.
Then she answered it, and she answered it well.
She just thought the things I said.
She's like, well, it's great to meet the people and go out in the country and see the excitement of this campaign.
You know, she said all the things you would think she would say.
But the way he said it was like, what?
And so here's...
That's not a question.
That's not a, what do you, I always, the way he said it, I always wonder, what do you get at?
I always wonder.
Anyway, what a gross, what is wrong with you?
It kind of reveals a lack of content to his personality.
It reveals a lot about Chris Hayes right there.
That says a volume.
And I'm, am I, again, I got to check.
Am I reading into it?
Or is that pretty exactly what I'm saying?
I think that came out of the blue and it was a pretty vacuous, stupid, and telling statement, non-question.
Non-question, telling statement.
So here's Susan Sarandon picks up the ball and she does a good job.
Here we go.
I really want to be on the right side of history and this is a shot that we're not going to have again in my lifetime to have a candidate that is so morally consistent, makes decisions, whose judgment proves to be true, but does it at a time when it's not popular, when it's not comfortable.
A candidate who's not taken any money from fracking or Monsanto or, you know, Super PACs or Wall Street or all of the farm, big farm, you know, which all the other candidates have.
And those are issues that are really important to me.
So to have a guy that's that consistent, that is that clean, it's just not going to happen again.
So she just said a bunch of stuff you never, you can't say about anyone else.
She's saying, hey, this is a really revolutionary candidate.
It's a once-in-a-lifetime thing.
I want to be a part of it.
I want to be on the right side of history.
This guy doesn't take any money from super PACs or corporations or Wall Street or the Fossil.
Can you realize what's happening, Chris?
We have a chance to take back our democracy.
That's why I'm out there on the campaign trail.
This is amazing.
This is historic.
This is what it's all about.
This is a once-in-a-lifetime.
And let's see how Chris Hayes responds to all that.
You see how I've responded?
I'm excited.
I'm jumping up in my chair.
Let's see how Chris Hayes does it.
Let's see what he has to say to all that stuff.
Is that clean?
It's just not going to happen again.
You just said on the right side of history, which is interesting to me.
I think in certain quarters, there's growing concern that the folks that are into Bernie Sanders.
So let me just point out right away.
He's moved on.
All that stuff that Susan Saranon just said, all that stuff you never hear anywhere, all that stuff about a candidate that is unlike any other candidate.
This is what Chris Hayes did.
Boom.
All right.
Let's talk about you supporting Hillary.
This is what's happening right now.
You want to see, here we go.
All that stuff that everyone screams about, that, oh, how broken politics is.
Oh, it's so people are cynical.
Everybody's a liar.
Everybody's bought.
Nobody responds to the voters anymore.
Everybody's in bed with corporate.
Boom.
None of that.
Chris Hayes.
Okay.
Yeah, yeah, yeah.
All right, whatever.
Whatever.
Let's talk about process.
Here we go.
Have come to despise Hillary Clinton or reject Hillary Clinton, and that should she be the nominee, which is as yet undetermined, they will walk away.
So his first question is, what do you get out of that?
She tells him all that stuff, all that almost poetically, as almost poetry.
And his second question is, hey, you guys going to get behind this other corrupt person?
When are you guys going to get behind that corrupt person?
You know, that thing that all that stuff you just said, I'm not even fucking listening to you.
When are you going to get behind this corporate tool?
It's completely corrupted and sold out.
And the opposite of what Bernie Sanders is trying to do.
When are you going to get behind that person?
That's his second question.
So when he has George Clooney on his show, is he going to ask George Clooney?
When is he going to get behind Bernie Sanders?
Why don't you guys coalesce behind one candidate?
You know, Jimmy, I have to tell you this, I'm supporting Hillary because I'm really energized and excited about incremental change.
Here we go.
Legitimate concern because they're very passionate and very principled.
But isn't that crazy?
Wow.
His third question.
First question, what the f are you doing on the campaign trail?
The second question is, when are you going to get off this BS and get behind the corporate sellout, the most corrupt politician in our lifetime, Hillary Clinton?
And three, aren't you crazy?
That's his third question.
Isn't that crazy that you actually, isn't it amazing that Hillary Clinton has been fighting for women's choice all her life, yet she doesn't want the voters to have a choice?
Isn't that interesting that voters don't get to have a choice?
That if you do exercise your choice, Chris Hayes is going to tell you you're crazy.
You're crazy.
That's what he just said.
Isn't that crazy that you would actually vote for someone who represents a non-corrupted point of view?
Isn't that crazy that you would not vote for a complete corporate tool?
Isn't that crazy what Chris Hayes says?
This is how he's treating someone who's on the right side of history.
Chris Hayes, by the way, on the wrong side of history, and he's a corporate lapdog sellout tool, and he's proving it right here.
More to come.
Did you believe in what he believes in?
Yeah, but she doesn't.
She's accepted money from all those people.
She doesn't even want to.
He says, isn't that crazy to not support Hillary if you believe in what Bernie believes in?
What the hell does that even mean?
Why wouldn't you support another candidate who's the exact opposite of this guy who you like?
If you believe in what he believes in, which is not getting money out of politics, why wouldn't you support somebody who champions money in politics?
That's literally what he just said.
What the f is going on in America today with journalists.
He's not embarrassed.
Chris Hayes, I know you're the editor of the nation and you have a TV show, but Jesus Christ, you're an embarrassment.
You're an embarrassment to progressives.
You should be embarrassed, but you're not embarrassed.
He's bragging about me.
I bet he's bragging about this right now.
Here we go.
For a $15 minimum wage.
So these are people that have not been.
Hillary won't support a $15 minimum wage.
The same person who gets $250,000 for a one-hour work, giving a speech to a bank, but she's against you getting $15 an hour for an hour.
$15 for an hour work?
No, too much.
How about $250,000?
Oh, that's right for me.
That have not come out before.
So why would we think they're going to come out now for her?
Do you really think that?
So what she just said was these people that Bernie is energizing to get involved in politics, they never came out before and voted.
They weren't that interested in voting for corruption, for neoliberalism, for conservatism in Democrat clothing.
They are not interested in corporatism anymore.
They weren't voting before.
Now they are voting.
And she's like, they wouldn't come out before.
Why would they come out now?
These are all really good points that Chris Hayes is doing his best to dismiss like an out-of-touch establishment corporate tool that he happens to be.
There's a good possibility.
I talk to people who either want to write, I talk to Republicans who have written him in already, you know, and they just feel like she's not authentic, that she's a liar, that they don't trust her.
So what difference does it make?
You know, if you're a small farmer and you're worried about fracking on your property in Idaho, they just passed a bill where they can frack on private land.
And you know that she's taken money from fracking.
Why would you think that she's going to have your back?
Well, because they make the argument that there are all kinds of politicians.
Barack Obama is the one that Hillary Clinton cites all the time who have.
Now, here is Chris Hayes going to do the thing that blows my mind more than anything when journalists do.
So journalists, instead of being outraged about the corrupting influence of corporate money in politics, instead of being outraged and trying to dig at it and muckrake and get rid of it so we can have a clean political process, instead of journalists doing that, they argue the other way.
He's about to argue for money in politics, not money out of politics.
He's not holding a corporation CEO's feet to the fire about money and politics.
Here's an actress, an activist who wants to get money out of politics and he's berating her over it.
Well, here it comes.
Done things to effectively reign in industries or reform industries that they've taken money from.
I'd like to see that.
No, I don't buy it at all because she's been selling fracking all over the world.
There's her talking about Monsanto and how clean not talking about Roundup or what they put in it or what it's done to our economy.
And they know that jobs are going out.
Bernie doesn't voted against NAFTA, TPP or whatever, all these things coming up that they know affect their jobs.
And she's not on the right side of that.
She hasn't voted right.
So what would make you think that once she gets in, she's going to suddenly go against the people that have given her millions and millions of dollars?
I think that's being incredibly naive and egotistical to think suddenly she's going to see the right, you know?
Right, but isn't the question always in an election about choices, right?
I mean, I think a lot of people think to themselves, well, if it's Donald Trump and Hillary Clinton.
So his entire interview is trying to convince someone who's against corruption and politics to get on board with corruption and politics.
And he calls himself a journalist.
He really thinks he's doing journalism right now.
Hey, come on.
Don't listen.
Grow up and sell out already, will you?
Would you grow up and sell out?
Don't you know we can't have real democracy in America?
And you know who's telling you that?
Me, Mr. Journalist, editor of the nation, and have my own liberal television show.
So I ought to know because I work for a corporation and I would never say anything that would risk my job.
And that's why I'm coming at you pretty hard right now to support somebody who's completely bought by corporations.
This is mind-blowing.
And I think Bernie Sanders probably would think.
I think Bernie would probably encourage people because he doesn't have any ego in this thing.
But I think a lot of people are sorry.
I just can't bring myself to do that.
How about you personally?
I don't know.
I'm going to see what happens.
Really?
Really?
I cannot believe it as you're watching the rock feels Donald Trump will bring the revolution.
So here's Chris Hayes going, I can't believe that you would support another candidate over another candidate.
So if you question loudly enough why Susan Sarandon doesn't support Hillary Clinton, I guess you don't have to question yourself on why you do support Hillary Clinton.
Hillary, him harassing Bernie Sander voters with the accusations of a Trump presidency, because that's what they're saying.
It shows their own nagging psychological doubts because deep down, they know they're not supporting the better candidate.
Chris Hayes knows he's not supporting the better candidate.
He knows Hillary Clinton is what's wrong with politics.
And guess what?
He doesn't give a shit.
He doesn't give a shit.
Well, you know what?
The whole thing here is she gets slammed for the statement that she says, honestly, I don't know what I'm going to do.
And he like jumps out of his seat, exasperated.
You really?
You don't know how you're going to vote?
And you know, the fact of the matter is she's already decided that she's going to place her vote supporting Bernie Sanders, like many of us are.
And he's exasperated by that and wants her to think beyond her vote.
Who else would she vote for?
And if it isn't for Hillary Clinton, are you going to vote for Donald Trump?
And people are up in arms over Susan Saranda's interview.
Yes.
And I think she nails it.
She's nailing it.
And so what's happening here is Chris Hayes, a Hillary supporter, is seriously demanding right now.
Yes.
That right now, in the middle of a campaign, of a primary campaign, right now, you are supposed to support a presidential, you're supposed to pledge your allegiance to another candidate right now in the middle of a campaign.
Chris Hayes is like, why don't you pledge your support?
That's the kind of shit that conservatives do.
That's the kind of shit they do.
By the way, and none of them are supporting Trump.
Now, you know, I was reading a bunch of Hillary supporters on Facebook, social media, and before I saw this interview, and they were calling her interview, calling her petulant and privileged for this.
And I thought, wow, what the hell did she say?
That's all she said?
This is what she said.
That's all she said, that she's going to wait and see.
She's going to vote for her candidate.
She's going to wait for the primaries to take their course.
And she also approves her position time and time again with facts about Bernie Sanders.
Yes, again, she's coming back with facts and policies, coming back with facts and policies.
And so all they come back with white privilege, which is not a fact and not policy.
Chris Hayes is petulant and privileged.
Chris Hayes is petulant and privileged.
And so what, so the current meme is that this is white, it's white privilege to not support a millionaires of white privilege.
So if you don't support a millionaire who is the embodiment of white privilege, somehow you're being white privileged by supporting that guy who's worth $400,000 and never took a penny from corporations.
Somehow you're being white privileged.
There are a lot of poor people living from week to week, month to month, you know, about to lose her house or maybe going to bankruptcy because a future medical bill, even with Obamacare.
Yes.
I don't think that's privilege.
That's not privilege.
That's poor people worrying about, and she's in touch with the electorate.
And immediately, if he gets in, then things will really, you know.
Oh, you're saying the Leninist model of fighting the constitution?
Yeah, yeah, yeah.
Some people feel that.
Don't you think that's dangerous?
So again, he just wants, so this is his whole conversation with her.
His whole conversation is, you're crazy.
Don't you think that's dangerous?
What's the matter?
Don't you think it's dangerous to keep supporting neoliberals, Chris?
Don't you think it's dangerous to keep expanding the biggest income disparity since the Gilded Age?
Don't you think that's dangerous?
Don't you think it was dangerous to invade Iraq that she was on board for?
Don't you think it's dangerous to support torture and war crimes?
Don't you think it's dangerous to have an XL pipeline going down the middle of our country?
Don't you think it's dangerous to have fracking?
Don't you think that's dangerous?
No, but the only thing dangerous is if we get to actually decide who we like to vote for, then you're being dangerous.
Don't you think it's dangerous to keep your job at a company that won't let you speak out vociferously against the TPP deal?
Don't you think that's dangerous?
Don't you think it's dangerous to work for a company that if you say something wrong against the corporation, that they'll fire your ass?
You don't think that's dangerous?
He's basically asking if, don't you think democracy is dangerous?
Don't you think democracy is dangerous?
Let me tell you something, Chris Hayes.
A vote for Sanders helps change our corrupt political system.
A vote for Sanders is a vote for people over money.
And a vote for Sanders keeps Trump out of the White House.
Hello, who's this?
Jimmy, this is John Kasich.
Oh, who?
John Kasich, candidate for the Republican nomination for president, former governor of Ohio.
Had my own show on Fox News a few years back.
Oh, Governor Kasich, right, right, right.
How you doing, buddy?
Not bad.
Thank you for asking.
Thank you.
How are you?
I'm good, thanks.
What do you want?
What do you mean, what do I want?
I'm a viable candidate for the nomination of a major political party.
I want to be interviewed by media owlists for crying out loud.
What do you think I want?
I don't know, more delegates?
Like a lot more delegates?
Oh, come on.
Get real.
Can we get real here?
You've had just about every clown who's ever run for president in the past five years on this show via phone interview.
Hell, you even had Lindsey Graham on your show talking about wearing silly hats.
That's true.
I heard that.
We all heard it.
Are you saying that he was ever more of a contender than I was or am now?
Not necessarily, John, but you're running such a distant third at this point.
How could you think that you could possibly get the nomination?
I just, what is it?
Oh, okay, Jimmy, let's get down to brass tax here, okay?
Okay, John.
Look, none of the three Republicans have exactly what is needed currently to secure the nomination.
We are going to have ahead to the convention.
We're going to have to think of the delegate situation, who the delegates are.
Who are the that's going to want to yo, look, Jimmy, nobody wants Donald Trump to be president.
I got it.
Grown-ups in the party are freaking out right now, and they also know that Ted Cruz can't win.
So they're thinking about who can win.
And that guy is me.
I can beat Hillary.
Oh, after Paul shows that.
Okay, well, okay, first of all, I believe you pronounce your name Kasich, correct?
Is that Kasich or Kay Sich?
I've heard both.
Which is it?
Kasich or K-Sich?
Well, Jimmy, I'll tell you what, as optimistic as our campaign is right now, we also have to be realistic about our current position and realize that we need to curry support wherever we can.
We can't be dictating things to the electorate.
So at this time, our campaign in our campaign, we're currently accepting either pronunciation of my name.
Kasich, Kasich, Kasich, whatever.
As long as people recognize how it's spelled on the ballot, that's what matters.
All right, Governor, listen, I got to level with you.
You're not sounding all that confident in your campaign.
If you're not even being a stickler about how you say your name, shouldn't you be boldly putting forth that you were a governor of Iowa?
Well, that's certainly.
Ohio, sorry.
I mean, I mean, you were governor of Ohio.
That's what I meant to say, not Iowa.
Hey, Iowa's fine, too.
I mean, technically, yeah, I was governor of Ohio, but if people want to think Iowa, that's also fine.
Okay.
I mean, our research has shown that people from the coast who are unfamiliar with the Midwest routinely confuse Ohio, Iowa, and Idaho.
So, Jimmy, I'm not going to be some big stickler here about which Midwestern state I governed, as long as they know I was governor of a place in America.
Really, John, you don't care.
Well, of course I care on a personal level.
It tears me apart to have to seem nonchalant about stuff.
But we are dealing with a shockingly low information voter base here.
And quite frankly, we're going to have to take what we can get.
If any recognition at this point is a win.
If people think they know me from a John Cougar Mellon camp video, we're going to go with that.
Okay, so just being generic governor guy, you think that's going to help you go against Trump and Cruz?
Well, Jimmy, the whole point of this here deal is deciding who is actually going to be a good president, not just who can beat who, you know?
You got Ted Cruz up there, never been governor, talking like a preacher, and Donald Trump, who's never been in government, just saying what comes off the top of his head.
With both of these chumps, I want to say, where are the specific solutions?
You know?
When you're a governor of wherever, you need to have specific solutions to actual problems.
I know the nuts and bolts of governing.
I know what do-dads and doohickeys need to be oiled and fixed.
I know how to find the sticky wickets.
I know that the squeaky wheel always gets the grease.
I don't want to go into details right now, of course, but I have specifics.
You do?
Specifics like what, John?
Taxes, Social Security, bond issues, public utility easements, other things.
Okay, Governor, I'm not exactly sure what your play is here, but come on board, Jimmy.
What?
Come on board, Kaystich Train, or the K-Chick blimp, or the Kozak hovercraft.
Who gives a shit?
Just join us.
Be Donald Trump.
Is that just really your whole thing?
You're simply not Donald Trump.
That's your own thing.
You don't want a Trump presidency, do you?
Well, get on board before the train leaves the station.
There's plenty of room.
Plant a kiss so hard on your best girl that her flowery hat flies off.
Grab your hard-sided suitcase with stickers of palm trees on it and run and catch up with that train as it's slowly starting to chug its way out of the station.
Wow.
That's really.
Jared Kasich, specificity.
Okay.
That really was quite a specific image.
We could use a guy like you on our team.
Oh, thank you.
Don't you want to stand shoulder to shoulder with a man who never gives up?
I have to admit that sounds extremely tiring.
You betcha it is.
We had to smuggle in some prescription drugs from Mexico just to keep our core staff from having a complete mental breakdown.
Oh, no.
Oh, yes.
Jimmy, I come from the Midwest where one of our core values is never quit.
And I'm never going to quit, Jimmy, even if I don't get the nomination and the election, the election, the general election comes and goes.
I'm still going to be out there trucking.
And you're going to be with me, Jimmy.
You and me against the world.
All right, Governor.
Listen, thanks for calling, but I got to go now, okay?
Kasich 2016.
Pronounce it how you like.
Against no odds, never give up.
Choose your favorite of those three slogans.
We'll keep going.
Okay.
All right.
Bye, Governor.
I'm going to go run for president in other countries too because of my work ethic.
I'm going to go run for president.
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