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I'll see everybody in Cincinnati October 1 through 4 at Go Bananas Comedy Club in John Boehner's district.
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Get ready for an outstanding entertainment program.
The Jimmy Dore Show!
The Jimmy Dore Show!
Jimmy Dore.
It is me.
Yeah.
I have totally good news.
I'm going to be the new host of Celebrity Apprentice next year.
They were like, these donors cannot do it anymore because he's all busy with the calling of the Mexican threat personal look.
I don't hate Mexicans.
I love Mexicans so much.
I put children inside of them.
Ha, ha, ha, ha.
Ha, ha, ha.
It's like the most amount of love you can give immigrants.
I should be president, Jimmy Dore.
Big host of the show with like weird pretend people.
Like one of them is going to be a lady who wants to sat next to Shirley McLean on an aeroplane.
And I think maybe there'll be the girl who played Small Wonder.
Do you remember that Small Wonder TV program?
It was this little girl who was a robot, but she looked like a girl.
It was like the Terminator with a little girl.
And pretty much no murder.
I've ordered DVDs if you want to borrow them.
Doesn't Gary Busy shows up?
We didn't invite him.
He just kind of shows up, you know.
Jimmy's people want me.
They want me to say, you'll be back at the end of every episode.
I don't think that's good.
I think I should say something more snazzy.
Like maybe you should not be on this program anymore.
Or maybe I just group them and give them campfire or something like that.
Something like this sort of thing.
I don't know.
I'm throwing out ideas here.
Yeah.
I think it would be even better if at the end of Ebislam murdered one of them and then we all had a crazy dance party.
Jimmy, I know this is not good.
None of this is good.
But you know, it is the way of things there in that world.
First, an international film star, then governor of the fifth largest economy in the world.
And then you have some sloppy seconds reality show.
Like the stage is a man.
Next, I think a suicide back corp.
When that happens, I got to tell you, I will miss you most of all.
Who is this that I'm talking to right now?
It's the Jimmy Dore Show.
The show for...
The kind of people that are...
It's the show that makes Anderson Cooper save.
It's our talking, T-Day.
And now, here's a guy who sounds a lot like me.
It's Jimmy Dore!
Everybody, welcome to this week's show.
I am Joy.
Everybody's back on the phone.
You know him, you love him from Mystery Science Theater 3000.
It's TV's Frank Frank Connoff is with us.
Hi, Frank.
Hello there.
Yay.
Also in the studio, back from vacation, hilarious Japanese man, Robert Yasamura.
Hey, Robert.
Wow.
Next to him, our resident Latina, it's Steph Zamarano.
Hi, Steph.
How are you?
I'm still here.
Yay.
Not for long.
Also with us, running the board across the glass, hilarious comedian Michael Schertzer is with us.
Hey, Michael.
Hey, what's up, Jimmy?
Let's get to the jokes before we get to the jokes.
You know, the GOP failed to stop the Iran deal.
So now they'll just have to go back to stopping sick people from getting medicine.
Hey, did you know Kim Davis?
You know, she's the clowny clerk in Kentucky with a giant forehead.
With the thrice divorced child at a wedding.
And protecting, she's protecting marriage from the gays.
Not from the thrice divorced rednecks, but from the gays.
And also the oath keepers.
They said they're going to protect her if they try to arrest her again, the oath keepers.
And so she's Kim Davis is so grateful to the oath keepers for protecting her that she plans on marrying three or four of them.
In fact, you know that Kim Davis is so religious.
Frank, did you know this?
She is so religious that she yells Jesus during marital sex and adulterous sex.
Very religious woman.
Fun fact about Kim Davis.
Very religious.
Hey, Rick Perry dropped out of the race.
Oh, yes.
So long, Rick Perry.
Ordinary, everyday run-of-the-mill GOP douchebags like you just can't cut it in the Trump era.
Oh, wow.
I mean, the GOP is the party of traditional, wholesome, old-fashioned values.
And if you disagree, Frontrunner Trump will call you ugly.
The GOP wants you to know that they are inclusive of all women, even the really unattractive ones who make Trump wince.
Did you hear Trump is Trump is going to insert into his platform no fat chicks for the 2016?
That one is true, actually.
That's actually true.
He's trying to get that into the 2016 Republican platform.
You know, the latest poll shows Trump's poll numbers high among Republican women who hate themselves and feel dead inside.
That is, yeah, that's a much ignored demograph.
Hey, did you hear who's replacing the Trump on The Apprentice?
Only Arnold Schwarzenegger, former governor, Arnold Schwarzenegger.
Former governor, only Arnold Schwarzenegger has the charisma, experience, and complete lack of character to replace Trump on The Apprentice.
Not a good person.
Not a good person.
He's having a kid with another woman living in his wife's house.
When that happened to Schwarzenegger, it's a scandal.
With Trump, his poll numbers would rise up.
Yeah, it would go up.
You're right.
Ben Carson.
Let me just say this.
I respect Ben Carson a lot more than I do Donald Trump, and I don't respect Ben Carson at all.
I did a radio show with Special Ed today.
Or as he's also known, Ed Schultz.
So he goes from one of the top-rated shows.
Well, no, he didn't quit.
They dumped him.
And you know, according to him, it's because of his opposition to PPP or whatever that is.
No kidding.
The Trans-Pacific Partnership.
Yeah, he said because Comcast is all for it.
And he thinks he was against it.
And I said, as soon as Rachel Maddow or Ed Schultz or any of those people, who no matter how high their ratings are, as soon as they say something that's going to cost them money, they're out.
That's what happened.
And now MSNBC just shows Trump speeches.
They just show.
All of them.
The whole entirety.
20 from pillar to post.
And it's breaking news.
Trump speech coming up, Trump speech coming up, and no matter what they are, they'll cover it completely.
Hey, listen, it's gross what's happening to him.
And I cannot stop tweeting at Chris Hayes.
I just keep tweeting.
I almost had a thing today where he had a day on Facebook.
And I almost, and I didn't, my question was going to be, are you aware of how much MSNBC sucks balls now?
So Chris Hayes tweeted out today, Trump on the Iran deal, colon.
They could build their nuclear or whatever.
And then he, end quote, good stuff.
That's Christopher Hayes being condescending to Donald Trump.
Always going to cover him pillar to post.
Hey, you're such an asshole.
We're going to give you millions and millions and millions of dollars of free advertising.
Yes.
Yeah, it's like he's not allowed to snark about Donald Trump.
So Frank, yes, Frank retweeted that and said, Frank said, how about saving some of that snark for your network, which airs Trump speeches as if they were infomercials?
Retweeted 44 times.
So you know Chris Hayes saw it.
And also, I wonder if it had any impact on him because I know that he's a mystery science theater fan because he did it on his show where he had the mystery science silhouettes when they watched the Star Wars trailer.
So hey, you know what, you guys, I hear that MSNBC is planning to ease up on all the Donald Trump coverage right after it's too late.
Bernie Sanders speaking to evangelists at Liberty University is almost as odd as seeing Donald Trump talk to human beings.
Is it right?
Yeah, very odd.
Bernie Sanders says America was founded on racist principles.
So was this year's GOP presidential primary, right?
Hey, did you know Democratic candidate Martin O'Malley called for raising the age of legal handcuff possession to 21?
To which most people replied, who the fuck is Martin O'Malley?
You know, there's an artist selling a menstrual blood portrait of Donald Trump to raise money for immigrants.
Did you know that's true?
She painted a portrait of Donald Trump with her menstrual blood, and the piece is entitled, Whatever.
Is that true?
That's what it's entitled.
And it's going to fund...
But I understand you can only see that at one time a month.
Yeah, cycles.
And the money's actually going to fund an immigrant group.
It's like a double whammy on Trump.
Pato Cornell West gave an impassioned speech on Bernie Sanders' commitment to social justice over the course of his career, but Hillary Clinton hit the nay nay on Ellen.
So I think we know who the series candidate is.
Spag-a-ga-ga.
Bernie Sanders gives a speech at Liberty University, and what they applaud for just might surprise you, or will it?
Plus, Dennis Skinner, a UK politician showing Americans how to get it done and to stand up to the corporate media.
That's coming up.
Plus, more conventional wisdom.
How do you know when a presidential candidate is serious in America?
The answer just may surprise you.
Or will it?
Chris Hayes lets us know how crazy it is that Chris Hayes is covering Donald Trump plus lying.
Chris Matthews gets a little uncomfortable about calling someone a liar and school security.
And we've got phone calls today from Mel Gibson, Arnold Schwarzenegger, Harrison Ford, and Bernie Sanders.
Plus a lot, lot more.
That's today on the Jimmy Dore Show.
A big criticism of the right is that they care about the unborn, but not the born.
I wonder why.
Is it because once you convince yourself that clumps of cells are people, actual babies, then it is a black and white decision.
They are baby killers and you are here to slay them.
And you get such a huge rush of moral superiority and indignation out of it that it makes the hard work of denying poor women health care worth it.
Plus, at the same time, you get a warm hug from Jesus for sticking up for babies.
And you wear your baby-saving crusade on your sleeve for all to see.
It's simple, it's easy.
And if they really are killing babies, then what bigger cause in the world could there be to lose yourself in?
It's very revealing that those same people who are moved to action over the idea of an unborn fetus being aborted can't seem to muster the same energy for making sure the mother and the unborn baby have easy access to affordable health care.
It's interesting and revealing that the people who call themselves pro-life are also pro-war and pro-death penalty.
It makes me think that their passion for unborn fetuses comes easily because once they've decided that a fetus is a baby, then they don't have to think about it anymore and they can feel superior and wallow in righteous indignation without ever having to actually do anything that helps someone.
They must make the fetus of supreme importance because then they can ignore every other complicated problem lurking in a kid's life, like trying to make a decent world to be born into, a decent world with decent health care, decent education and decent housing, and a fair economy where prosperity is shared with its workers.
Those are very icky, complicated issues.
Abortion is cut and dry and requires zero participation except to wear your moral indignation on your sleeve where it belongs.
And so when Bernie Sanders went to Liberty University, they asked him this question about abortion, and here it comes.
Senator Sanders, you've talked in your campaign about how it is immoral to protect the billionaire class at the expense of our most vulnerable in society, obviously children.
You just mentioned that even in your talk with us earlier.
A majority of Christians would agree with you, but what, but here's the question.
A majority of Christians would agree with you, but would also go further and say that children in the womb need our protection even more.
How?
Hold on.
How?
How do you reconcile?
So the question, sir, is...
Hey, get your government hands off our guns and into our uteruses.
Bernie Sanders, how can you be against billionaires when women have control over their own bodies?
See, now here.
So here's where a kid's yet, right?
Did you standing ovation for that question?
That was the one thing that got a standing ovation.
So now here's where it gets a little bit more complicated.
What do you do about babies after they're born?
Should we care if they get killed after they're out of the womb or not?
Here's what Bernie Sanders says, and listen to the tepid applause.
But the cost of war, David, is something that is far greater, I fear, than most people know.
And before we go off to war, we have got to make certain that we have explored every other possible option.
You know, people may not.
Not so much.
Yeah, that guy got a tonight show reaction.
He got a Carson Daly reaction.
Yeah, yeah.
We're against killing babies in the womb.
We're for killing babies with bombs.
Know this.
And here's more.
Here's more of that.
As the former chairman, I do.
In Iraq and Afghanistan, we lost 6,700 brave men and women.
Many came home without legs and arms and eyesight.
500,000 of them came home with post-traumatic stress disorder or traumatic brain injury.
Their lives have been totally disrupted.
Families have been separated.
Children have suffered.
A great nation like the United States of America with the most powerful military on earth, in my view, should use every possible opportunity to resolve international conflict without going to war.
war should be the last result.
Thank you.
Absolutely.
All right, so there you go.
So there you go.
Go ahead.
He should have worked on his act more before he went to bed.
That guy had killer material.
With the fetuses and stuff.
But Ernie just.
Bernie just couldn't follow it.
Yeah, he couldn't.
It says, yeah, I'd like to go, war should be the last resort.
And they're like, couldn't it be the second or third resort?
Could we have a timeshare resort with war for summers?
Why do you got to be so anti-war?
I mean, we already saved the baby.
It's born.
Now let's have fun.
You know, I would really have more respect and take these people more seriously if I ever saw them fighting against child poverty and fighting for universal medical care for women or for providing child care or for providing education to poor people.
Then I could actually take these people's convictions about saving an unborn fetus that isn't even born yet.
I could take them more seriously.
But since they don't seem to be doing after that.
I actually respect graduates of Tiger Driving School more than I do.
If they were anti-abortion, they would be pro-contraception, right?
And yet Liberty University was one of the right-wing institutions that fought the morning after pill coming to America.
Right.
Yeah.
I mean, can you imagine like the masturbation going on in that college?
It must be just crazy.
It must be a pretty crappy Bible school because if they read the Bible enough, they would know that God never said a word against abortion.
They would.
When you're less of a party school than Bob Jones University.
So should I compare the two applauses again?
Let's compare the applause for the question.
Here comes the question and the applause.
Would also go further and say that children in the womb need our protection even more.
How?
Hold on.
How?
How do you reconcile?
Wow.
So the question, sir, is...
That would be the question.
And that's weird.
And I think I gave you my theory at the top of this segment.
I gave you my theory.
Because helping actual people gets complicated because you have to fight against people who don't want to help them.
And you have to fight against the corporations.
And you have to fight against the demagogues.
And you have to know right from wrong for real, right?
But this way, it's easy.
It's real easy.
You don't have to worry about helping anyone.
You can feel morally superior and morally indignant inside and out and have a warm blankety hug from Jesus without ever actually having to help someone at all.
You know, and these kids are going to college.
These kids are enrolled in college.
They don't need access to the military to eventually get them to college.
Yes.
You know what I mean?
They don't need that experience.
So anything about war or the military?
It's just an idea to them.
It's a concept.
It's a concept.
Hello.
Hey, Senator Sanders, Jimmy Doerr.
Oh, hi, Jimmy.
Do you got a few minutes?
I suppose so.
I'm on my way to the dry cleaners right now.
I'm supposed to be hands-free, but I don't know how this damn to-do-dad works.
I'll try and stay focused.
D-Dad.
That's why we love you, Bernie.
You do your own, you do your own dry cleaning.
Living the dream, Jimmy.
So you recently gave a speech at Liberty University in Virginia.
A rare conservative, a very conservative Christian fundamentalist college founded by none other than Jerry Falwell.
I'm not alone in thinking that was a rather odd choice of place to give a speech.
No, I mean, so how did the whole event go, if you don't mind me asking?
It was a great success, well received, inequivocally.
How do you know it was successfully received?
How can you tell?
I had a myriad of stimulating, constructive conversations with students after the speech, after which about 10 of them grabbed me, forcibly dragged me to a pond, and forcibly ducked me under the water three times.
Hence my present sojourn to the dry cleaners.
What?
How is that a success?
It sounds like they tried to murder you.
No, no, quite the opposite, Jimmy.
I don't think you understand.
How so?
Well, they said they liked me so much that my message was so resonant that it was intolerable to them that my soul had not been saved.
And out of a sense of spiritual urgency, they forcibly and hastily baptized me in the first shallow body of stagnant water they could find.
Oh my God, what did you do?
Well, Jimmy, after my lungs ejected a giant mass of putrefied algae, I thank them profusely for the gesture.
What?
It was clearly coming from a good place.
So what are you, Baptist against your own will now?
No, of course not.
I don't believe any of that horseshit.
Give me a break.
Liberal Jew for life!
So why are you so oddly okay with this?
Because if that was the indication that I had won the hearts and minds of young people with whom I would otherwise disagree on other things, I'm happy to participate in any such soggy ritual.
I'd be willing to participate in anything short of snake handling to build a coalition to fight the great ills of this age.
But, Bertie, these are religious fundamentalists.
So, who cares?
They're against gay rights.
I know, I know.
That is unfortunate.
And obviously, that is an issue where I deviate significantly from them and where they stand.
So, how can you try and court their votes in good conscience?
Aren't you being a little myopic?
Aren't you acting like the no-compromised Republicans right now that you so fervently rail against?
Look in the mirror.
Hey, look, pal, this is my show.
We sort of don't question my intellectual consistency.
Thank you very much.
I don't give a shit.
I don't have time to kowtow your own sense of infallibility.
I've got a campaign to run, a coalition to build.
But why include bigots in that coalition?
Because so-called bigots can come around or be made to come around.
But more importantly, Jimmy, if we fail in successfully battling the twin specters of our age, climate change, and wealth disparity, we will be facing a post-apocalyptic horror scape that will have little or no memory of any of the social progress we've made in the past 50 years.
If our economy and environment collapse, you think the Mad Max world that will survive will be concerned with women earning 77 cents on the dollar?
You think anyone's going to be policing gender pronouns during the copper wars of 2056?
Do you think people are going to be nice to dogs and cats?
Are you fucking stupid?
And I don't appreciate.
So, yeah.
I'd rather build a coalition with a bunch of superstitious weirdos who are committed to at least some notions of social justice and environmental stewardship with someone they otherwise disagree with than some social justice warrior bozo with a man bun who only talks to his own kind and thinks the world can be saved with apps.
You bet your ass.
Okay, I guess I see where you're coming from.
Wow.
So first order of business, make sure everything doesn't go to complete shit.
Then, a close second, focus on civil rights.
It's the pragmatic way, Jimmy.
Point taken.
Okay, good.
I'm glad we're on the same page.
But I have to reiterate that I really didn't care for how you spoke to me, for how you spoke to me.
I apologize if I was gruff, but I'm taking this campaign very seriously.
I'm working very hard to reach out to everyone I can.
And when I get called on that, admittedly, it gets my gander up a little bit.
Yeah, I understand, but I really don't need my intelligence or intellectual integrity questioned by one of these stupid phone calls we do purely for comic relief.
You know, I really, I really don't need that right now.
Well, feel the burn, I guess.
I don't know what to tell you.
I mean, that wasn't my intention.
I didn't mean to make you feel that way.
But the intensity of this campaign, it burns bright like a quasar.
It's going to burn right through the fourth wall in some cases.
Be prepared.
You could also be prepared for me pulling the plug on you as a regular character on the Jimmy Door show if I see fit.
My name is Jimmy Dore.
I'm well aware.
I guess we've reached an impasse that we will both have to navigate in good faith.
Yes.
And I would urge you to be very careful in your navigation of said impasse.
Is that a threat?
You can take it however you like.
I see.
Well, I'm at the dry cleaners now.
I better let you go.
I guess you better.
Goodbye, Jimmy Dore.
Goodbye, Senator Sanders.
All right, that's it.
Senator Sanders.
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Hey, welcome back to the Jimmy Door Show.
Coming up, we've got phone calls from Harrison Ford, Mel Gibson.
We're going to talk about the amazing politician from the UK, Dennis Skinner.
Also, we're going to talk about what's really broken in American politics.
Unwittingly revealed on MSNBC right now, let's get to our phone call with Mel Gibson.
Jimmy, it's Mel fucking Gibson.
And I want all your listeners to know that this is total bullshit.
I was up for the role of host on Celebrity Apprentice.
They gave it to that weird old foreigner, Schwarzenegger.
You guys know.
Now you know that that guy is part of the whole Holocaust actually occurred conspiracy.
I would have acted the shit out of that role.
I would have said, here's your project this week.
Resurrect my goddamn career.
And then at the end, I would say, by the power vested in me by super Catholicism, I damn you to hell.
Oh, and also, I hope you get raped by a pig and I mean, I got.
I got him.
I mean, I gotta say that.
It's pretty much my signature line now.
And another thing.
Wait, no.
I'm out.
I've got nothing more to say.
Weird.
Okay.
Well, sugar tits, Give me a ring back when you stop having your period or whatever.
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So here's some more conventional inside the Beltway thinking on parade.
Okay.
So Joe Biden went on Stephen Colbert's show, had an emotional moment, and how dare he.
And this is from Bloomberg News.
Fewer than 12 hours after Colbert interview aired, Biden partook in a meeting that signaled something entirely different.
The meeting appeared nowhere on his public schedule.
It was held in secret at his hotel in Midtown Manhattan and lasted for more than 90 minutes.
A private one-on-one session with one of the most prominent and powerful fundraising stars in the Democratic firmament, a mega bundler who appears to be, at least for now, publicly committed to Hillary Clinton.
The bundler in question was Robert Wolfe, the former chairman and CEO of UBS Americas, a prodigious buckraker on behalf of Barack Obama in two successive campaigns, a four-time appointee to economic panels in the Obama administration, and perhaps the only person in the American business community and certainly the sole Wall Street potentate with whom Obama during his time in office has developed a deep and genuine friendship.
The two are frequent golf partners, most recently last month on Martha's Vineyard, where they both took part in a force in with Larry David and a Weiss House Senior Advisor, Valerie Jarrett's cousin, Cyrus Walker.
So this, so Joe Biden has a secret meeting that Mark Heilman is from Bloomberg News is able to confirm with this donor.
Isn't that John Heilman?
I'm sorry, John Heilman.
It's Mark Halpern.
It's John Heilman from Bloomberg News is able to confirm.
And he wrote that.
And so he goes on the news to talk about it.
And he says this about that meeting.
Think about the idea that Joe Biden at this moment, while he is weighing this decision, makes this call to this guy who he barely knows.
He barely knows.
So Joe Biden barely knows this guy.
Right.
Although it's one of Barack Obama's closest buddies.
How does he know that?
How does he know their relationship?
Maybe he asked Joe Biden.
I don't know.
Think about the idea that Joe Biden at this moment, while he is weighing this decision, makes this call to this guy who he barely knows, both of them understanding what it would mean if Robert Wolf were to side with Biden.
So what John Heilman is saying, first of all, that was close for a minute there.
I was afraid we were living in a representative democracy of for and by the people or something.
It's nice to know that it only matters if a rich guy nobody ever heard of decides that the vice president of the United States is good enough to run for president.
It's a guy we never heard of.
So what John Heilman is revealing there is the sickness again in his in the profession he reports on, but it slips right past him.
He's reporting this as a big news deal.
Why?
Because that guy's a big, a big money guy.
And that's what's important inside the beltway.
And that's why they can't wrap their head around the fact that Bernie Sanders actually has momentum and Hillary Clinton is in trouble.
She's down to 44% support with women.
She doesn't even win the majority of women, Hillary Clinton.
So that's, but she's got all the money.
So that's why people keep dismissing Bernie Sanders out of hand, even though he's trouncing her anywhere he actually campaigns.
So he campaigns in Iowa.
He's trouncing her.
He campaigns in New Hampshire.
He's trouncing her.
So wherever he decides to campaign, he's going to trounce her with real Democrats.
And this is the problem that John Heilman is revealing: that these guys are such in a bubble that all they can see is money.
And that's, and he doesn't see a problem, by the way, with that, that all of a sudden the vice president has the genu flex to a hedge fund guy or a big money donor or a bundler.
And that's the guy who actually gives the nod on whether the vice president is serious about running for president.
That's gross and disgusting.
And John Heilman doesn't point that out.
Neither does the guy interviewing him point that out.
All that slides right.
Here's the rest of what he says, by the way.
So I'm not making it up.
both because it would be a repudiation of Hillary Clinton, but also because everyone in the political world would assume, and correctly, that Wolf would never do this without the blessing of President Obama, because they are so close.
So what he's saying is...
But what he's saying is this big money, but you understand?
They're all, it isn't just John Heilman thinking this now, Frank.
It's everyone.
This is the media narrative.
First of all, Joe Biden, Joe Biden is not running for president.
That's the first thing we should get out of the way.
He's not running for president.
The whole story started in a Marine Dowd column based on a conversation with Bo Biden and Joe Biden that was in her imagination that there was no source for it.
She didn't say there was a source.
She didn't list a source.
And the entire media ran with it saying that treating it as a serious thing.
All indications are that Joe Biden is definitely, he's not running for president, at least not.
The only way he'll run for president is if there really is a genuine, gigantic thing that brings Hillary down, which we're not even close to that happening at this point.
So he's not running, first of all.
And second of all, it goes to what you were saying about the British, the British guy like poo-pooing the idea of progressivism where the American media is not treating Bernie Sanders seriously.
And their alternative to Bernie Sanders is Joe Biden, whose policies are almost identical to Hillary.
Identical.
There's almost literally no difference.
And if Joe Biden, like if next month he got into the race, the only thing that Joe Biden would be able to run on would be attacking Hillary's character.
And there goes all of Joe Biden's goodwill that he has with the public.
He's the greatest guy ever.
We love Joe Biden.
Suddenly, next month, he gets into the presidential race and he's slamming Hillary's character.
And then he loses all of that goodwill with the public.
And Joe Biden, by the way, has run for president twice and failed miserably both times.
Yes.
you *music* Okay, so there's a sea change happening in politics.
It's happening in America with Bernie Sanders.
It's happening in England with Jeremy Corbin.
And I recently discovered.
I would even say it's happening with Trump.
The sea change I'm talking about that's happening in politics is the sea change where the people are becoming actual progressives, where the party that represents workers is actually going to start representing workers.
So I've recently discovered British politician Dennis Skinner.
Dennis Skinner is the labor MP for Derbyshire.
At Westminster, he's considered a relic of the Tony Benn, Michael Foote Labor Party era.
In other words, he knows what he believes in.
At 83 years old, he's still a bruiser and doesn't take shit from anyone.
This week, Dennis Skinner was interviewed by BBC reporter Emily Maitlis.
The interview didn't end well.
With the election of Jeremy Corbyn, the media has been eager to portray turmoil within the Labor Party.
Maitless falsely stated that Dennis Skinner was among the insurrectionists that turned down positions in Jeremy Corbyn's shadow cabinet.
So a lot of people who are inside the Labor Party, who are centrists and actual conservatives, who happen to, just like in the Democratic Party here in America.
So now there's a little bit of a revolt that an actual leftist, by the way, Jeremy Corbyn got elected with the biggest mandate since the World War II.
Okay?
Yeah.
So it was a big mandate.
And now the regulars, the people that are breaking the Labor Party, are now in an insurrection against his lefty policies.
And they say that they won't be in his shadow cabinet.
Okay.
So this reporter, Maitless, from the BBC, falsely stated that Skinner was among the insurrectionists that turned down positions in Jeremy Corbyn's shadow cabinet.
But it turns out Skinner is old labor and was one of the people who actually nominated Corbyn.
So it isn't sensible that he's anti-Corbyn since he nominated him in the first place.
Historically, it is well known that in Skinner's entire career, he doesn't want to serve as a cabinet member and always says so, no matter who's the prime minister.
I don't want to serve as a cabinet member.
But Maitless tried to make it look like he was turning his nose up at Jeremy Corbyn.
And Skinner wouldn't have any of it.
And here's what happened.
Dennis Skinner has said that he has not been approached for a job by Jeremy Corbyn and would not take a job by Jeremy Corbyn, a line that he has held consistently.
Here, let me start it over.
Yeah, that didn't sound good.
Good news.
Then Dennis Skinner has said that he has not been approached for a job by Jeremy Corbyn and would not take a job by Jeremy Corbyn, a line that he has held consistently on.
Oh, I've told Jeremy Corbyn before.
There you go.
You can keep up to date with all the latest developments and the voice of saving on BBC News website, including a guide to who's who and Jerry Corbyn's.
So you can hear Skinner saying you're spinning already.
So she's making it seem like everybody's revolting against Jeremy Corbyn.
And of course, Dennis Skinner isn't.
And so he's calling her out for this on the news in real time.
trying to move on to the next segment and he's not leaving.
At bbc.co.uk forward slash news, seems I still have business to do right here on the green.
Well, Gang was shining.
That was an example of spinning.
Because you were trying to imply that I turned it down.
No, that was a joke.
Well, that's all it was that you got real.
And you understood that you're not working for Murdoch and the BBC because you seem to be following the same path.
Dennis Skinner, thanks for clarifying that.
Thank you very much.
So she says you're not working for Murdoch.
You're working for the BBC.
And you don't see, but you're following the same script.
So Maitless, Maitless tried to backpedal, but she got called out.
Skinner throwing out the Murdoch charge to a BBC reporter is when things really got dangerous.
Just like in America, Rupert Murdoch has completely corrupted the media and the political discourse in Britain.
Not just the lies and distortions, but the revolving door for journalists.
One year you're working for CNN, the next you're working for Fox, and the next you're back and forth and back and forth.
Or you may be working for the BBC, but secretly hope to jump to News Corp and a Murdoch paycheck.
Or you're Andrew Neal, who was a Murdoch soldier for years, who tried to destroy the BBC, but are now rewarded with a BBC show and a cozy BBC pension.
What?
Yes.
Here's Dennis Skinner standing up to David Cameron, overrating the pensions of workers and not replacing them.
Here it is.
Dennis Skinner.
For a man who seemingly is never away from Europe, why is it that he's never took the opportunity when he's been there to put in a claim for state aid to save British miners' jobs?
He's the man who during the election campaign masqueraded as the workers' champion and he hasn't got the guts to help those miners.
He took 700 million pounds out of the mining workers' pension scheme and he's not giving us anybody.
You don't want to be calling Dodger Labor.
So he's screaming this in his face.
He's not saying this to a speech where they Cameron's right there.
That was my favorite episode of Downtown Abbey.
He's screaming right in the guy's face.
He's calling, no wonder they call you Dodgy Dave.
You stole from the miners.
You stole their pensions.
You masqueraded as their champion during the election.
And then you stick.
And then people start, the Tories start screaming at him.
Order!
Shut up!
So imagine.
That's actually very common in England.
So imagine this, Frank.
Imagine if a Democrat stood up to the Republicans, like Chris Christie slashing people's retirements.
You know how Chris Christie screwed over the pension fund in New Jersey.
Imagine if a Democrat stood up to them.
Think of Obama or a Hillary Clinton or a Debbie Wasserman Schultz stood up to Scott Walker for destroying the unions like that.
The modern-day corporatist Democratic Party finds such things as fighting for workers to be naively old-fashioned.
And that's why, Frank, people like Bernie Sanders are so important for inspiring the Democratic Party to get back in touch with its principles.
And there's a guy, Dennis Skinner, sticking it to a reporter for being corporate and spinning and sticking it right.
Can you imagine?
Why don't Democrats stand up to Chris Christie?
Why aren't there Democrats standing up to people doing that?
And they won't.
Or Scott Walker or anybody else.
Because Debbie Walsherman Schultz is not a friend to the labor union.
Barack Obama isn't a friend to the labor unions.
That's why.
Elizabeth Warren is though.
exactly what Ed Schultz said today on the radio show.
Oh, really?
What did he say?
He said Obama has abandoned unions in his second term as president.
But I think if a Democrat was in Chris Christie's face and confronted him like that, I think everyone else in the Cheesecake Factory would yell at him the way that those Tories yelled at him.
I think if someone needs to stand up for workers, I think everybody who's got a pension in New Jersey knows that he's being screwing them over.
I think everybody in a union knows that Chris Christie's screwing them over.
And I think that so you're saying, Frank, that we shouldn't try to push back against them because that's exactly the line of thinking.
Well, you know what?
Alan Grayson, one time in Congress, was very passionate when he said that the Republicans' health care plan is that you get sick and you die.
And he was very, you remember that, right?
And he was very intense about it.
And he did it that one time.
And now everyone in the media portrays him as a crazy person.
Yes, and that's not a reason to stop standing up to stuff because the media is broken.
So maybe if more people did that, if we had more Alan Graysons and if we had more Dennis Kucinich.
What happened the one time Howard Dean let out a Yelp one time in his campaign and that was the end of his political career.
Yeah, so I'm saying, Frank, that we have to have more of those moments.
So we have to have more people doing that, and we can't let the media, and that's what Bernie Sanders is all about.
He's like, you're not going to marginalize me.
This isn't going to happen because I don't need your money.
I'm not from you.
I don't take orders from you.
And that's why he's dangerous.
That's just the same way they fear Donald Trump because they can't control him.
And that's why he's dangerous.
And we're going to keep, so let's keep moving on.
He's actually saying what they all think, which is horrible, horrible stuff.
Yes.
And he's actually saying what the right wing thinks.
Right.
And so conventional, here's the conventional wisdom, Frank, that's happening, that's been happening since Ronald Reagan.
And it's all about how are you going to pay for stuff?
Here's the interview that Dennis Skinner, my favorite new politician from the UK, he did with a guy from the BBC called Jerry Jeremy Vine.
Now, Jeremy Vine is your regular tool, and Dennis Skinner's going to straighten him out.
Let's listen.
You were the ones who, one of the ones who nominated Jeremy Corbyn in the first place, Dennis.
So your reaction today?
Well, I think it's been a good result.
It's probably been the biggest upset, really, on the left since Clem Hatley beat Churchill in 1945.
Right.
That big?
Yes.
I don't think there's been anything in which we can say that somebody has just been elected with the most individual votes of any party since the end of the war.
So that's a fact.
So he's been elected with more votes than anybody from any party since the end of World War II.
Which is kind of amazing.
And that time that Churchill lost in 1945 was like the biggest upset.
Nobody expected that to happen.
And so if, let me just say this: if the Blairite had won with a few thousand votes, Margaret, they would be called C, Jeremy Corbin, and they would be all talking about how you got to be a centrist and a centrist.
But since this guy wins overwhelmingly, what they're doing is trying to tear him down.
Here, he keeps going.
This shows, does it, that labor, real labor, is left-wing.
It's not Blair Labor anymore.
Well, I think it's welcome, the fact that people have had the chance to vote for him, and they've done it in the thousands, and they've astonished everybody.
I mean, I just think he's a good send-off.
Sadly, the press, which is 80% owned by the right wing, thinks something else.
And sadly, the BBC usually follows the lowest common denominator and will probably do the same.
I won't pick up on that.
But I just, I don't wonder whether you're worried now, Dennis, because, of course, Corbyn has the purity of the ideas.
So right away, are you worried?
The guy won overwhelmingly.
Are you worried, though?
Aren't you nervous?
I mean, this can't work, right?
I mean, this guy won and everything, and he's got popular ideas that sound very much like FDR did, but that can't possibly.
Aren't you worried that you guys just crushed them in the election?
You've got to be really crapping your pants that you guys won.
So over.
What kind of question is that?
This is this conventional wisdom, Frank.
And here it is.
He's got more of it.
Politics is a dirty old game, and he may find himself being torn to pieces by his friends rather than his enemies.
Again, again, it's the worst thing in the world that this guy could have won.
Now his friends are going to kill him.
This couldn't be good.
There's no way it could be good that this guy won.
Well, I don't know about that.
I mean, frankly, I wish him well, and I'm sure that he will do well.
And he'll surprise a lot of people, as it has done already.
And I'm pleased he's got John McDonnell by his side because it's a good opposition to Cameron and Osborne.
Just knows the Bullingdon Club.
For those who don't know, John McDonald is one of the most left-wing Labour MPs.
What do you think he will do as shadow chancellor?
What's his key plank going to be?
To get topside Osborne.
To topside him.
Yes.
To beat him.
Right.
Because Cameron and Osbourne are like wedded other joints.
And there's all this paper talk about John MacDonald.
What's the difference?
But what's the policy, Dennis?
What's going to do that?
Well, we have to have a left-wing policy, and it has to be a bit like 1945.
We haven't got to build an NHS, but we've got to rebuild it.
So after 1945, after the wars, when they invented the NHS, National Health Service, which is their socialized medicine in England, and he said, we don't have to do that again.
We don't have to build it, but we have to rebuild it.
We haven't got to start free education like Clem Attlee and Ni Bevan and all the rest of them did.
But we have to rebuild that again.
Because now we've got these free schools that we have to get rid of.
And then we've got public ownership.
We've got to take rail back into public ownership, the energy companies, and it has to be an anti-austerity program.
So he just said, we're going to socialize the railroad company.
We're going to socialize the energy companies.
That's pretty.
Now that's a socialist.
That's a left-winger.
What Bernie Sanders is, they call Bernie Sanders in America a socialist because he wants to keep Social Security and Medicare.
To me, in America, that's a socialist.
A guy who wants to keep the status quo for Medicare and Social Security.
But we're in England, this guy actually just got elected overwhelmingly wants to renationalize the railroad and the energy companies, which we should do.
Because by the way, if you know where Exxon gets their oil, it's from under the ground of our country.
So it's our country's oil.
And the fact that they're allowed to make a profit off our country's oil is ridiculous.
All that money should go right back into our country.
Yeah, that's the platform of somebody who's about to be assassinated.
Yeah, but you're right.
But that should be, that's what should.
Here we go.
You know, why is it that the oil can be nationalized in Venezuela, which is why they tried to kill him and overthrow him?
Why is it that the oil could be nationalized in Saudi Arabia and Iran, which caused the coup and Iran?
Why can't it all be nationalized there?
But it can't be nationalized here.
It can be nationalized.
That's what Clem Attlee did after the war.
They built an NHS, pensions for all.
We never had them.
A welfare state, build counselhousers, we'll do that again.
And at the time, the country was skint in 1945, and yet they did it all on an anti-austerity program.
And he's saying the country was broke in 1945, and yet they did it all.
Yeah?
At an anti-austerity program, people have just been through hell.
It's been through a war.
You're not going to tell them to keep sacrificing.
You got to build stuff for them.
You got to give them things.
And they did.
And guess what?
It all worked.
And you know what they did?
They taxed the wealthy.
They taxed the wealthy and they borrowed like crazy and they did exactly what you need to do.
And you know what they did?
They built some of the greatest infrastructure in the history of the world.
Yes.
And here he goes on.
And at the end of five years, the unemployment was down to 2.2%.
If Jeremy Corbyn and the rest of them can do as well as that, or even half as good as that, they will have made a name for themselves.
And I wish them well.
And I hope they're going to win that next election.
And then Cameron and Osborne can get back to their big society, Bullington.
Okay.
You're going to privatize or nationalize the banks as well.
I had heard John McDonnell talk about that.
Is that on your agenda?
Well, if they do, I'll support it.
and nationalize the banks.
And let's remember, the banks were pretty much So now it's the government really running that bank.
So the bank's already been nationalized in America.
We just didn't say it.
So what he's saying is that, yeah, we're going to redo it.
If they want to renationalize the banks, I'm all for it.
Which, by the way, I'm all for nationalizing the banks.
They did have to nationalize them, you know, when they went bankrupt.
In a way, in a way.
He goes, in a way, they were.
He says, you know, they did nationalize them already.
They just did it.
They did it in 2008.
Would you renationalize British Airways?
It'd be a bit further down the list.
You can't do everything at once.
How are you going to pay for all this?
That's my favorite question.
How are you going to pay for all this?
He's actually proposing a plan that pays for itself as opposed to this war will pay for itself.
Yes.
$3 trillion in debt later.
The railroad, I'm pretty sure, pays for itself.
The banks would pay for themselves.
What are you talking about?
How are you going to do this?
That's what they asked Niet Bevan in 1945, didn't they?
Yeah, but they said, how are you going to build a health service now?
They said, we haven't got any money for it.
Hill Dalton, Stafford Cripps, and all the rest.
They borrowed the money.
That's what happens in the real world.
You know, when one of these big enterprises, private enterprises, wants to increase their size and all the rest of it, where do you think they did?
Do you think they say, get into the Tesco bank and get some money out?
No.
I'm just wondering if they're borrowing.
Is there a point at which so he's saying, you know, when a company wants to expand, what do you think they do?
They borrow money.
Yeah.
What do you think?
So this guy says back to him.
The national debt, which is currently 1.5 trillion pounds, becomes unsustainable for your grandchildren.
You work for the BBC, Jeremy.
How do you think the BBC expanded in the old days when it was moving on?
It borrowed money.
That's what happens in the real world.
Why is it?
Can't borrow forever.
No, but why is it that...
You can't bowl forever.
Well, you won't have to.
You start a good economy.
It's called a demand economy.
It's called Keynesian economics.
It's what they did after World War II.
Keynes was around after World War I, by the way, and they ignored him.
And he said, if you don't do what we do, you're going to give rise to a right-wing fascist government in Germany, which is exactly what happened.
So after World War II, they decided to listen to Keynes, and FDR already was.
Okay, so that Keynesian economics is a winner.
It's a demand-side economy, which means you take money and you put it into the pockets of workers, and then workers go buy stuff, and that creates demand in an economy, and that spurs an economy.
That's called Keynesian economics.
That's what FDR did.
That's what we should be doing right now.
But we keep doing this austerity.
We keep doing the opposite of what we know works because the bankers don't want us to do it.
Yeah.
Hang on, give me a left-wing government for doing it.
And as for the railways, you've not mentioned them.
The fact is that we hand out money now to Richard Branson and all those other goody tushus that run the railway companies.
You won't have to do that if you take it back into public ownership.
People point out when British Rail was running, the sandwiches were terrible and the trains were lacking.
I heard all those stories.
This ain't about the BBC now, you know.
And who do you expect to defend them?
Defend you.
The Tories, Osborne, Cameron?
No, it'll be Jeremy Corbyn, Dennis Skinner, and all the rest.
Okay.
Well, the Tories are currently borrowing 200 million.
So he's just said, you know, they're coming after the BBC next, Jeremy.
Who do you think?
Who do you think is going to defend you?
You think Cameron's going to defend you?
No, it's going to be Jeremy Corbyn defending you.
My favorite thing was he's like, you better not nationalize the transportation system because the sandwiches will be shit.
Yes.
I thought there's food already within the world.
Yeah, I know.
Because even they can't get the budget straight.
So how much do you think Labor in government is?
Well, they made a mess of it.
They promised to cut the deficit three times.
They've not managed it, have they?
Well, that's my point, really.
The coalition's very idea is that it is at another.
I mean, the truth is their policy.
Their policy is in ruins.
Yes, but how are you going to cut the deficit?
So this whole thing, you've got to cut the, how are you going to cut the deficit?
So this, again, this refrain of we have to cut the deficit, unless we have to bail out the banks, or we have to go to a war, or we have to give some money to another oil company, or we have to give money to Richard Branson.
But otherwise, then, if we want to give money to the national health, we have to cut the deficit.
If you want to give money to education, we have to cut the deficit.
If you want to give money to pensions, we have to cut the deficit.
But anything, but every time you want a war or bail out or nationalize the banks because they went belly up while putting billions of dollars in their pocket, then that doesn't matter.
You can raise the deficit for that.
You can only not raise the deficit if it actually helps people.
And that's what people are revolting against.
They're revolting against all that crap because enough of us have seen it.
Enough Democrats or people left of center have seen enough of this crap.
And Hillary Clinton doesn't get it.
She was bragging today on television that she's a centrist and she doesn't like people who are on the fringes because all they do is fight.
And she's the one who's going to get things done.
And she's in for a rude awakening.
She's down 10 points in Iowa.
How much did she down New Hampshire.
20 points.
She's going to lose because people can't stand her and she stands for nothing.
And I'd rather vote for somebody who opposes something than vote for somebody who I know doesn't.
She's not going to lose.
She's going to win the nomination, by the way.
Well, people will get better wages if it's left to me.
And if they get better wages, they're going to help to get people back into work.
That's how the economy grows.
Those with the propensity to spend at the bottom of the pile need more money in order to get people back into work.
That's a little bit of Keynesian economics.
It's not even Marxist.
Thanks so much, Danny.
I'll be to talk to you.
I'll be to talk to you.
Jimmy, it's me.
Harrison Ford.
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There's a show about apprentices or appliances.
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I was like, all right.
Ha ha ha!
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