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David Petraeus, former head spook and the leading armchair general to whom our government credits the win in Iraq and Afghanistan is in a little bit of trouble these days.
And if his concept of winning is consistent, it's no wonder why.
David Petraeus is famous for having been awarded many medals of bravery in battle, despite never displaying any bravery in battle.
In fact, it's alleged by Colonel Douglas McGregor.
He said Petraeus never fired his rifle.
His medals of bravery were earned while bravely sitting way the fuck away from the battle, looking through computer monitors at drones and directing people from the comfort of a well-fortified base.
During his time as head of the CIA, he got in a big scandal.
Yes, he disclosed classified information to his biographer slash mistress, Paula Broadwell, who was writing the book, quote, all in the education of General David Petraeus, end quote, which coincidentally is the same name as their sex tape.
It's good to see the United States government is really cracking down on people who share classified information.
Petraeus will serve 35 years in a maximum security facility where he will undergo what Amnesty International describes as torture.
Oh, wait a minute.
That's not General Petraeus.
That was Chelsea Manning, the cadet who released a cachet of documents that explained malfeasance and criminal activity inside the war machine.
The courts considered handing down a 19 to 24 year sentence.
Oh, wait, that's not General Petraeus.
That's Jeffrey Sterling.
He's the guy who broke the story of Operation Merlin about a botched covert nuclear mission that the CIA set up involving Iran and implicated James Risen of the New York Times.
Instead, they sentenced him to 30 months in jail.
Oh, no, wait, wait, that's not General Petraeus.
That's John Karakov, the former CIA agent who confirmed the existence of the CIA tortures program.
Oh, my God.
No, they gave Petraeus just over a year in jail.
Oh, no, wait, that's wrong again.
That's Stephen Kim who pled guilty to discussing classified information with a Fox News reporter.
Instead, Petraeus will be exiled from the country, pursued by covert agents, and have to hide out in Russia to stay a lot.
Oh, wait a minute.
That's not.
That was Edward Snowden who revealed malfeasance and criminality inside the government.
As it turns out, Petraeus did basically the same thing as all those previously people I just mentioned did.
And instead of being exiled, tortured, or sentenced to prison, he got two years of probation, no jail time, and a fine of $100,000, which is less money than he makes for spewing bullshit to college students for an hour and no charges related to the Espionage Act.
He could walk away 40 minutes into a college speech and be able to pay that fine.
This proves once and for all that the Obama administration does, in fact, know how to bring criminal charges against someone in a national security case without invoking the Espionage Act.
For a while there, it was hard to tell.
This goes to show that the consequences in cases regarding national security can be as lenient or as harsh as the prosecuting administration wants them to be.
And the punishment really depends on who is being charged and for what reason.
If you're a low or even high-ranking individual acting on your own conscience to inform the nation of institutional wrongdoing, then prepare to face the full wrath of the Espionage Act.
But if you're part of the elite and you share information with the biographer you're banging, well, that's a mistake we can all understand and you should walk free.
Everybody's been there.
Am I right?
And not only is Petraeus' life not ruined, he's doing fantastic.
He's got cushy new job opportunities in the private sector because he can leverage his knowledge of covert technologies.
He's received all kinds of awards.
Hell, they even gave him a post at Harvard Kennedy School of Government.
Are you kidding me?
Wouldn't Kennedy be proud?
He even has the nerve to go on record saying that he would, quote, serve again if asked.
And the craziest thing is that he probably will be asked to serve again.
He's a liar, a cheater, and someone with questionable moral integrity.
So he's a perfect fit for nearly any government position.
Jesus Christ.
All right.
Thank you.
I always want to bring that.
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Hi, everybody.
Welcome to this week's show.
I'm joined on the phone from New York City.
You know him, you love him from Mystery Science Theater 3000.
It's TV's Frank Frank Connoff.
Hi, Frank.
Hello there.
Yay, also with me in the studio, hilarious Japanese man from Team Yasamura.
It's Robert Yasamura.
Hey, Robert.
Ohio.
Ohio.
Across the glass, you know where you lover from the miserable, miserable liberal blog.
It's our resident Latina, Steph Zemorano.
Hi, Steph.
How are you?
Jimmy, I'm a mech SaiCamp.
Yes, you are.
Just keep in mind.
Also with us, hilarious comedian Michael Elliott Spitzer Schertzer is here.
Hi, Michael.
Hey, what's up, Jimmy?
Let's get to the joke before we get to the joke, shall we?
There's some new movies coming out.
Poltergeist looks good.
So does Vacation.
And I have high hopes that Mondale is going to kick Reagan's ass.
LAUGHTER LAUGHTER LAUGHTER Hey, did you hear John Bolton announced that he's not going to run for president?
Oh, no.
Hey, my dog just took his shit.
Both events will equally impact the 2016 race.
Did you hear the news?
Chris Christie, it came out, it was released that Chris Christie spent $82,000 of taxpayer cash on snacks at NFL games.
Oh, my God.
Now, I want to write a joke about this, but what's the angle?
You know, spending $82,000 of taxpayer money stuffing his face And not feeding the poor makes Chris Christie the GOP frontrunner.
Yeah.
Popular.
You know, when Chris Christie sits around the sports stadium, he really spends taxpayer money in the most selfish and hypocritical way.
Yes, Chris Christie spent taxpayer money on NFL snacks, but he really wants to cut Social Security because that's wasteful government spending.
Oh, yeah, of course.
Did you hear Seymour Hirsch came out?
He's the guy, you know, he's famous for the My Lai Massacre story.
He broke that story from Vietnam War.
He's broken a lot of stories since.
New York Times magazine journalists.
Yes, his latest one is he said the whole story about how he killed Bin Laden was all a lie, how we found out about it, how we killed him, where he was killed, why he was killed, all that stuff.
Everything in the story was bogus, according to Seymour Hirsch.
But now people are pushing back and saying that Seymour Hirsch's bin Laden story with shoddy journalism.
And I say, if Seymour Hirsch's bin Laden story proves to be shoddy journalism, it just might get him back in Good Graces of the Beltway Media.
They lie a lot.
You know, you guys following the Tom Brady Deflate Gate thing?
No.
With the footballs, right?
So they didn't have enough air pressure.
Well, somebody should do a deflate gate joke that implies they're talking about testicles and not footballs.
That would be hilarious.
And totally original.
That would be totally hilarious.
You know, when the GOP isn't trying to defund Amtrak, they're trying to dismantle the Affordable Health Care Act to help anyone injured in the Amtrak crash.
Hey, did you hear Verizon?
Verizon purchased AOL for $4.4 billion.
And that was after the negotiations to acquire CompuServe broke down.
Interesting fun fact about that.
For a mere billion dollars more, they could have bought all of 1995.
Nice.
You know what?
For half a billion, they could have got the five-year warranty.
Hey, Jeb Bush, did you hear what he said?
He got tricked.
He got tricked by a straight question.
He got tricked by a straight question.
They asked him if he would invade Iraq.
Well, actually, Jeb Bush said he'd have invaded Iraq, but only if it didn't interrupt crashing the economy and not doing shit about Katrina.
By the way, he had to know that question was coming.
That question's been coming for the last 10 years.
And it took him a whole week to figure out the answer to it.
Oh, he finally got the answer today.
It started on Monday, and he finally figured out the answer today.
Right.
So, genius.
You know, he said what he tried to say was he misheard Megan Kelly's Iraq question.
If he, knowing what we know now, would he invade Iraq?
He said, yes, he would.
And he said that he misheard Megan Kelly's question, but somehow he comprehends the strategy of his brother George's speech patterns.
Is that what you're telling me?
But you know what?
You know what, though?
I have to say that the whole uproar over him saying that is a little weird coming on cable television, where everyone who still believes that, who is on cable television shows every day saying you should go to war with Iran.
So he's not like, it's not so out there that he said that.
I agree with you 100%, which why I think that was what he thought was going to be his answer all along.
And he didn't think it was going to cause such a thing.
And also tonight, like I was watching Chris Matthews just such an humbrid and outrage.
And he goes, how could we let a man who is barely articulate lead us into this war?
They're coming from a guy who swooned over the mission accomplished.
So like Jeb Bush is like way down on my list of people that I'm pissed off about this whole thing.
Yeah, no doubt about it.
Did Chris Matthews say that he gets a thrill up his leg when it was during the mission accomplished or was that over Obama?
That was about Obama, but he didn't say that over Mission Accomplished because he was too busy coming.
Yeah.
And he and G. Gordon Liddy rhapsodized about Bush's package and how great his products looked and also how much women love the Iraq war and Bush has proven all of his critics wrong.
He said all this on TV and now he presents himself as the great opponent of the Iraq war.
George W. Bush gives Jeb Bush foreign policy advice, but only after Jeb agrees to tell him about the rabbit.
*laughter*
He's not a smart man.
He's not a smart man.
He's not.
Hey, did you hear George Zimmerman got another violent altercation?
Hey, one more, and he gets his next one free.
They say the doctors say Zimmerman's gunshot wound was minor and he is alert and racially profiling comfortably.
Second nature for him.
Hey, did you hear Toronto Mayor Rob Ford still alive?
Still alive.
The doctors removed a huge tumor from his abdomen.
And when they took it out, the tumor said, hey, thanks, that guy was a real prick.
Come on, that's a good joke.
Did you hear the appellate court ruled recently that the warrantless bulk data collection by the NSA is, quote, unprecedented and unwarranted.
They cited the no-shit Sherlock portion of the Constitution.
Gay marriage also, the Supreme Court heard oral arguments on the case that will determine the fate of same-sex marriage in the United States.
The arguments for same-sex marriage included equal protection under the law, compassion for our fellow human beings, and our inanalienable right to the pursuit of happiness.
Arguments against same-sex marriage included some people think it's icky.
So as Luke Russard says, there's merit on both sides.
Hey, what's coming up on today's show?
We're going to take a look at a right-wing Republican who's self-sustaining, but has diabetes and smokes, had a stroke.
I wonder how it works out.
And the most depressing discovery about the brain ever.
We're going to share it with you.
Plus, we got phone calls from Prince Charles calls in today.
Luke Russard calls in and Barrack Obama, plus a lot lot more.
That's today on the Jimmy Dore Show.
Thank you.
Joining us on the phone right now is MSNBC correspondent Luke Russard.
Hey, Jimmy.
Thanks for having me on to promote my new show on the MSNBC Digital Network.
For the benefit of your listeners, I've done some reporting, and my sources tell me that a digital show is a reference to a show that is shown on the internet and not on a cable or broadcast channel.
This internet thing is also sometimes called the web.
Okay.
Luke, I've got to say, when it comes to reporting stuff, everybody knows already, you are the master.
Thanks for the compliment, Brock.
It's a backhanded compliment, buddy.
Those are the only kind of gets.
Yeah, okay.
Well, listen, anyway, what's this name of your new digital show?
It's called Luke Russert, I Got Nothing.
Every week I stand in front of the apple dumb, shrug my children, say, sorry, folks.
I got nothing.
That's the whole show, Luke.
Then I spend the rest of the hour looking at my cell phone and humming hoodie the blowface songs under my breath.
I admit that's a very unique.
It's a very unique concept for a show, Luke.
Very unique.
Well, in digital, you have to be innovative.
Speaking of which, have you seen the HuffPost show?
Oh, yeah.
You mean the Huffington Post attempt at a topical satirical comedy show that is hosted by non-comedians with no experience in comedy?
Yeah, I was already fan.
The way you describe it sounds even more awesome.
Okay.
Really?
You like that piece of crap show, Luke?
You like it?
Whoa, Jimmy.
Why the bad vibes?
There's no place for critical thinking in the world of satire.
Look, for one thing, the show is co-hosted by Mark Lamont Hill, who is a very smart college professional, professor, but he had no qualifications at all, like zero for doing comedy, Luke.
You seem to have no qualifications disqualifies you for a gig.
If that was the case, I'd be working at Harvey's right now.
I'm sorry.
Yeah.
And here's another thing that bugs me.
The other co-host of the show is Roy Seakoff, the president and co-founder of Huffbow Live Network.
So in other words, he hired himself for the job.
Come on, Luke.
That is so cool.
I mean, I got hired because of who my guy was, but maybe someday I can hire myself because I know me and I'm feeling really good with me.
Okay.
Luke, unlike Brian Williams, I think you're going to end up having real combat experience because when you say stuff like that, it makes people's heads explode, buddy.
I know it.
You're wrong about Roy Seakoff, Jimmy.
He has genuine comedy experience.
He has genuine comedy experience.
How so, Luke?
Well, as president of Hospice Live, he has aggregated some of the best comedy in the business.
When Jimmy Fallon started lipsticking with guests, Sikoff was one of the first guys to upload and share those videos.
He was one of the original visionaries who made the Leave Brittany Alone sketch go viral.
He has seen and shared some of the funniest clips ever made.
So I don't know how you can say you have no comedy experience.
Okay.
Well, Luke, I want to thank you for stopping by and depressing the hell out of me and all the people who actually work hard at this craft called comedy.
No problemo.
I've already been depressing the hell out of people who work hard at the craft of journalism.
So why not spread my wings?
So long, sucker.
All right, Luke Ruster, thank you very much.
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Thank you.
So I've been making the point that we have to stop saying that it's about the police brutality when it happens and we see a videotape of it, which is every five seconds, by the way.
Unbelievable.
And it's happening because we got the drug war happen in the 80s, and it's always good politics to be law and order.
So cops then started ignoring the Constitution and they started to see other Americans as the enemy.
And what also happened at that time is lots of cops don't live in the neighborhoods they patrol or the cities they patrol, which is a big problem in Baltimore.
Right.
And the militarization of 9-11.
Jimmy, if there's one more video of a cop shooting another black kid, they get a free one.
Yeah.
So this is Detective Joseph Crystal.
He was a Baltimore policeman, and he witnessed a handcuffed drug suspect being beaten by cops, and they broke his ankle.
He felt compelled to report this to his superior officers.
I can't, I bet it turned out great for him.
And did not turn out great for him.
That's when he, well, he's now suing the department over the backlash that happened to him because of it.
So he reported, he reported that, and that's when the nightmare started.
His brothers in blue turned on him.
So they, they, what they, so what they, what they, the thin blue line, that's a nice way of saying don't be a snitch.
Yeah, we all cover when they say that in the streets, they say don't snitch.
Everyone's like, what's wrong with you?
Of course you should help the cops.
But cops don't snitch.
Right.
Cops don't snitch.
They're just like a gang.
So cops are a gang.
Right.
So let's remember that.
They don't, if they, the fact that they don't snitch on each other shows you that they didn't become cops to serve the community.
Right.
They became cops because they dig it.
Let's remember that.
And this is an unambiguous thing.
This is not, this is not like, oh, my partner took a free meal.
This is not like some lightweight thing.
They beat a guy in handcuffs to the point where he broke a bone.
Yes.
Okay.
Beating a guy in handcuffs.
So he turns him in.
The other cops start turning on him.
They bombard him with taunts, threats, refuse to come to his aid during drug busts.
Just straight out of Serpico.
Straight out of Serpico.
That is straight out of Serpico.
So they're going to get killed.
And they even put a dead red on his windshield.
Wow, that's a classic.
I never thought doing the right thing as a cop would cost me so much.
He filed a federal lawsuit claiming they failed to protect him from retaliation after he blew the whistle on his fellow officers.
So I just wanted to – He was a cop, one of the clean cops in New York.
He tried to turn in these people who are corrupt.
They ended up getting him shot in the face just like they tried to get this guy shot.
So when he went down a bus, nobody was there to back him up.
Right.
And then when he got shot in the face by a criminal, they let him lay there and die.
Right.
He didn't die, though, about Serpico.
And Serpico has written articles about this.
This isn't my idea.
This is his about how police see themselves as separate and above the law.
They see them.
It's a culture that sees themselves separate from society, and they see a citizen as the enemy.
So this is what's happening.
And So it's not a bad apple.
This is the culture of police in America.
This is, again, when I was a little kid, this is what I thought it was like in East Germany, that you were afraid of the police, the police.
You're afraid of the state.
Everybody in Russia was afraid of each other because the state was such an oppressive force that they would tap your phones.
They would do all these horrible things to you.
And it was a police state.
Well, we live in a police state now because they're tapping our phones.
They're reading our emails.
And cops are cracking the heads of peaceful citizens from coast to coast with impunity.
And the brotherly order of police, like the fraternal order of police, the cop unions keep standing in the way of investigations that would institute reforms.
Of course.
They're shooting so many unarmed black men.
It's become the cops eating donuts premise.
Yes.
Yeah.
And I just love how people still say, hey, just don't run from the cops and none of this will happen.
No, you think that the reason why that Freddie Gray ran is because he knew when the cops caught him, they were going to beat the crap out of him like they did.
You know, and everybody's trying to make it like his spine got cracked in the ride along.
Let's remember his voice box was crushed.
So that didn't happen in the ride along.
Someone did that.
Yeah.
So he was already injured by the time.
Anyway, so Chris Hayes is on the reason I bring this up is because, again, MSNBC, Chris Hayes, standing in the middle of Baltimore during the riots.
And here's what he says.
At one point, yelling at us, yelling at the camera, saying.
So he's talking about walking around Baltimore and how people were yelling at him.
At one point, yelling at us, yelling at the camera, saying, Look, you're here.
You want to show things popping off.
You want to show things burning.
And you want to capture one tiny sliver of what's actually happening in Baltimore and West Baltimore.
And I'm curious what you say to police officers who I basically have heard say the exact same thing to me.
I mean, police officer after police officer that I've talked to here in Baltimore, I've talked to in Ferguson or around the country, you know, in the last six to eight months, will say, look, yes, you're going to focus on these incidents of brutality.
You're going to focus on the bad apples.
You focus on these incidents that have videotaped, but you are not, you're failing to capture how hard the job is and how well many people do the job.
What do you say to that?
I say that I can't believe that you would say that on television.
I can't believe that you go.
What do you say to, you know, the cops tell me we don't show the good stuff the cops are doing.
We don't di-ba-di-ba-di-ba-di-ba-di-ba-da.
Are you kidding me?
This is three years after non-stop police brutality on TV.
Non-stop.
Three years, non-stop.
How many it's unbelievable?
They kill Eric Garner.
A snuff film happens in front of you, and you're like, hey, we don't show the good stuff.
We're not really showing the good stuff.
We have.
Remember a couple weeks ago where you played that thing where he had that.
I can't remember the specific details.
Chris Hayes had.
He had on the senator from Kansas who was demonizing poor people.
Horribly, just a hideously awful person.
Well, thanks for being a good sport.
You're a good sport.
Yeah, if your sport is making life hard for poor people, then he's a great sport.
He's an all-American.
You know, it's not fair because they do show some videos of cops doing nice things.
Like the other day, I saw a video of a cop playing catch with a kid.
He just happened to be using a tear gas canister.
And he throws it.
So we've got to just please stop saying stuff like that.
Please stop saying the cops who have gotten the benefit of the doubt in every courtroom since the beginning of time.
Please stop bending over backwards, trying to pretend that the real story is that they do good stuff most of the time.
That's not the story, and that's not the problem.
Well, the real story is the cops are going to have their jobs longer than Chris Hayes is.
We can all days are numbered in MSF.
Well, how could they not?
His ratings suck, Frank.
Yeah, and he's not, you know, he's a really smart guy.
He's not a compelling broadcaster.
Well, again, he says he feels compelled to say stuff like that, Frank.
He feels compelled to tell a piece of a horrible person that they're a good sport in the middle of demonizing poor people.
What are you doing?
What kind of a show are you doing?
I know, I know.
Well, he's trying to be, you know, like a good, like anyone who ends up at MSNDC.
He has to be like a good corporate soldier, you know.
Yeah.
To the corporation that they work for.
They can't be too subversive, you know.
And they're going to look at Chris Hayes.
They're going to say, look, liberal programming doesn't work, just like they did with Air America.
No, you bought, you gave people TV shows who had never proven themselves anywhere else.
Chris Hayes had never proven himself on a TV show as a broadcaster anywhere else.
He had never built a following anywhere.
completely lacked the gravitas of Ronan Farrow.
I got a phone call from Barack Obama.
Oh, good.
Hey, Jimmy, how's it going, buddy?
Not too good, Mr. President.
You keep pushing this TPP deal, and you keep saying that Elizabeth Warren is wrong about it.
And anybody who knows anything knows that's not true.
Yep, that's how it works.
I do the bidding of the shadow government and multinational corporations to run things.
What do you mean, the shadow government?
What do you mean, shadow government?
What do you mean?
What do I mean?
The shadow government sounds like some crazy stuff Alex Jones would say and not something that I would hear out of the mouth of the president.
That's what I'm saying.
Thank God for guys like Alex Jones.
What?
Thank God for guys like Alex Jones.
What do you mean, thank God for guys like Alex Jones?
Now when anybody asks me stuff about the shadow government or who really runs things, I can shut them up with the you sound like Alex Jones smears.
Oh, okay.
Okay.
Okay.
I get it.
No, exactly.
Can you tell me again about this shadow government?
What would exit?
Oh, you know, a handful of huge multinational corporations that actually run things.
The dudes with all the money who were here before I got in office will be here long after I leave office.
The people who own and run everything.
Did you see the movie network?
Yeah, I see.
That baby explained all this.
The people like Elizabeth Warren don't want to go along with the program.
The program, what do you mean, the program?
The program of running the global economy on the exploited labor of desperately poor people with no resources or political power.
Wow, that sounds horrible.
That sounds like the kind of thing Democrats are supposed to fight against, not work to implement, sir.
Yeah, well, that was the old-style Democrats.
Losers like Monday owned the caucus.
Bill Clinton changed all that.
Now we are in bed with the money men that we used to fight against.
And everybody wins.
What?
What are you talking about?
Everybody wins.
Come on.
Fuck it, a car.
You get a car.
That's the last time a motherfucking misery because you live in Nicaragua.
Okay, I don't think everybody wins.
You're just that everybody wins.
Yeah, everybody wins, except the workers, unions, the people who generate those corporate profits and the disappearing American middle class.
Other than that, everybody wins.
Yeah, yeah.
Well, listen, you know, now everybody's saying that you're lying About Elizabeth Warren's opposition to your trade bill, and you're even being sexist in your criticisms of her.
That's what people are saying.
You're being sexist in your criticisms.
Fuck that bitch.
Oh, come on.
Mr. Press.
It's not sexist.
The little lady just doesn't know what you're talking about.
Her husband will straighten her off.
What?
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Hey, welcome back to the Jimmy Door Show.
I'm joined on the phone from New York City.
You know I'm from Mystery Science Theater 3000.
It's TV's Frank, Frank Conniff, in the studio with me: Steph Zamarano, Robert Yassimer, and comedian Michael Schurzer.
Coming up later on in this half hour, Prince Prince Charles is going to call in.
But right now, let's get back to the studio and join our discussion about Morning Joe.
President Barack Obama criticized Fox News at a forum on poverty at Georgetown University.
And he said that Fox News portrays the poor as lazy leeches.
And that he didn't, and that.
So here's what Joe Scarborough had to say about that.
Remember, this is the liberal MSNBC.
They like to kick off their programming day with three hours of right-wing talk.
Sure.
Here we go.
I don't know where to start.
At a bipartisan summit, you decide to attack a cable news channel as the problem.
And saying that Roger Ells calls people leeches and Roger L's network calls people leeches, sponges, and lazy.
That, first of all, first of all, that's the top and bottom of their programming day.
How dare he say something accurate?
By the way, Jimmy, where did you get Joe Scarborough's box audition page?
It's as if he is audited.
Listen, I'm going to play some more of this.
Summit that's supposed to bring both sides together in poverty is stunning to me.
Secondly, and I guess this is the problem.
Barack Obama says, if we are to change the way that John Boehner and Mitch McConnell think, then we have to change news.
Change the way they think?
Is he really the sole arbiter of what is right and just?
Is he the only one who cares about the poor?
Could it be that a lot of people like me don't think that a top-down approach and trickle-down liberalism works any more than trickle-down conservatism?
Okay, there's no such thing as trickle-down liberalism.
What is he even?
He's just making things up.
He was just saying, Maybe absolutely no.
And there are five people sitting around like little kids, and their alcoholic dad is screaming, and they're not saying there's Mark Halperin sitting.
No, not Mark Halperin.
There's John Heilman sitting there.
There's Willie Geist.
There's who's the plagiar?
Mike Barnacle.
Mike Barnacle.
Hang on.
Arrogance to say if we are to change the way our opponents think, you know what?
Maybe he needs to change the way he thinks.
Well, the arrogance of it all is staggering.
People have disagreed.
Barack Obama, again, he's arrogant, which is another way of saying uppity, right, Frank?
Yes, it is.
And I love hearing Joe Scarborough criticize someone else's arrogance.
Yes.
If there's anybody who knows about arrogance.
The president, by the way.
He's on the air three hours a day.
He talks nonstop.
And then he's on meet the press on Sundays.
And all he does is pontificate.
His entire career is based on his ego.
And yet Obama's the one who's arrogant.
And this is another example of what we were talking about earlier: of this is his how he feels, and he's trying to create a reason bubble around.
Right.
And he just doesn't like Obama.
Yes.
And so he's searching for isn't.
I mean, it's, yep, it's just, you're seeing it in real time.
And this, this is, this goes on.
We've done this before to point out how bad the mainstream news people are because they're all just sitting around and they're going to let him say, now, Mike Barnacle tries to push back.
This country, since George Washington had Thomas Jefferson and Alexander Hamilton together in the same cabinet, you work out differences.
That's a creative friction.
It's not.
So Joe Scarborough is trying to pretend that Barack Obama doesn't try to get along with his opponents.
That's what he just did there.
He's trying to say.
My history might be a long buddy.
Is Alexander Hamilton the one that got in the duel with Aaron?
Yes.
Yes.
Yeah.
I know.
Yeah, they really got along back then, didn't they?
Yeah.
They got together and shot at each other.
They shot each other.
Well, but to see Alexander Hamilton and Thomas Jefferson disagreeing and having a debate is completely different than people who want to claim that people aren't poor because they have microwaves.
Right.
That's a very different.
Yes.
And besides, when they would argue and it would get very contentious, but then at the end of the day, they'd make up and they'd lend each other their slaves.
You know, to be fair.
Hamilton was a northerner.
He did not have slaves.
As a matter of fact, he disapproved of it.
I don't know if you guys know this, but on May 21st, 1856, Preston Brooks beat Charles Sumner with a cane, like nearly to death on the floor of the Senate.
So that was Joe Scarborough showing that Barack Obama doesn't work with others, which is just unbelievable.
His only major legislation is a Republican bill, you dummy.
It's called the American Affordable Care Act.
That's the Republican bill.
It's your thing.
Obama reached across the aisle right into the Heritage Foundation and came out with that bill.
Yes.
Yes.
Right.
So again, so here he goes on.
Scarborough is doing A really nice, nuanced impression of Obama.
Yeah, so he's doing, so that's a minute and 32 seconds he's been talking.
No one's interrupted him.
They're all sitting there like lemmings.
I'm right, you're wrong.
That is such an illuminating moment.
Barack Obama, who has been a victim of the most filibusters in the history of filibusters, and he's, again, pointing out how Barack Obama is arrogant and won't work with people.
This is Joe.
This is three hours a day we get this on the liberal MSNBC.
In this presidency, I'm a little embarrassed for him.
He's a- Ouch, I bet that stung.
He's a little embarrassed for him.
I bet Obama sits up at night just like seriously dreading the possibility that Joe Scarborough feels embarrassed for him.
Also, you know, Joe Scarborough was a congressman.
Joe Scarlet's the guy who left public service.
To be a TV show guy.
To be a TV show host to make millions of dollars.
And, you know, I was reading something recently, and I knew this already, but in the lead up to the Iraq war, he accused everyone who was criticizing it of being unpatriotic and hating America.
And he was saying this to his on-air co-host at the time, not co-host, but who was on the air with him on the liberal MSNBC, Michael Savage.
Yes, Michael Savage had his own show on the liberal MSNBC.
Hey, can you look up if Joe Scarborough voted to impeach Bill Clinton?
Oh, of course he did.
I'm sure he did.
Because I'm sure he voted.
So this is the guy who talks about how you get along in politics, voted to impeach Bill Clinton.
That's the guy who did that.
I just know when I saw Joe Scarborough on Jimmy Fallon and he pulled out his guitar and started to play it.
I was embarrassed for him.
I was embarrassed for him, too.
Oh, well, that's why I don't.
Yeah.
Hang on.
Fallon, I have to say, said something really interesting.
He said that.
That's great.
Okay, here's Joe Scarborough's got more to say.
So Mark Barnacle tried to make a point that, Joe, you're nuts.
And basically, he said in a really timid way.
And then here's what Joe says.
Agree on that.
We all agree.
And so the idea of the summit was to bring people together.
And this president comes to this summit, and he decides to bash Fox News, and he decides to bash people who send their children to private schools, like he does.
Decides to bash people who play golf at private golf clubs like he does.
And you just wonder why he has this need to fill.
I don't know what he's talking about.
He's upset that the president plays golf and his kids go to private school, I guess.
Outrageous.
So I guess that means that President Obama can never point out that Fox News is a hate machine 24-7 and that most of the stuff they say is completely factless, baseless.
Self-righteous when just going there and trying to come to common solution.
I don't think he was bashing.
You don't think that's bashing when you're calling Fox News, people that call the poor leeches, sponges, and lazy?
They do that, Joe.
Joe, do you ever watch Fox News?
We did a whole segment on this a while ago about them talking about how poor people have microwaves and refugees.
Yes, I do a bit in my last special about how they did a whole him, Bill O'Reilly, and who's the guy with the big teeth?
Lou Dobbs.
Lou Dobbs.
So Lou Dobbs and Bill O'Reilly did a whole 15-minute segment, and they did a list of all the things poor people, quote-unquote, poor people in America.
And the point of it was that poor people aren't poor in America.
And that everybody who gets welfare is a scammer or they're lazy.
And Bill O'Reilly even says, you show me your poor people in America, and I'll show you.
I can tell you why they're poor.
There's something wrong with them.
They're either drawn drugs or they're lazy or they have bad parents.
So there's something there.
You're defective if you're poor.
It's not that, not like what Jesus said, blessed are the poor, for they shall inherit the Earth.
No, it's if you're poor, there's something wrong with you.
I like how the implication of owning all those things is that the poor people in America are not poor enough.
Yes.
They should be poorer before they should encounter my sympathy.
He's like, they have microwave ovens.
Yeah, they're laughing at us over a cup of noodles right now.
And what Obama was doing, and it is absolutely right, is saying, we can't have a reasonable discussion about the solutions to poverty if one of the parties insists on complete fabrications about the realities of poverty.
Well, Joe Scarborough would not, that would not stand on his show for you to point that out.
Watch what he does, Robert, right here.
Watch.
Poor people, leeches, sponges, and lazy.
Have you ever heard that on Fox News?
No, I have not.
Has anybody ever heard that you have Fox News?
I think he was talking.
He asks a panel.
There's one, two, three, four other people.
And he says, them calling the poor leeches and lazy on Fox News.
Has anybody ever heard that?
And Mike Barnacle, the tough-nose reporter, says, no, I never heard that.
Right.
And actually last night on Jon Stewart, they played that clip and they showed a whole montage of Fox News saying exactly those words.
Exactly those words.
And I wonder what Joe Scarborough is going to say tomorrow morning when he comes in after watching Jon Stewart give him all those clips of exactly the opposite of what he said.
I wonder if he's going to practice a little cognitive dissonance.
He's going to reference Sam Harris's article.
Yeah, he's going to say, well, if I had 100 writers, I could get clips too, which means nothing.
Which means that, oh, sure, Jon Stewart's got 100 writers.
And they're going to go through their video bank and they can find, yeah, they're going to contradict what you just said, Joe.
Right.
So he, and he says that when he listen, wait a minute.
He sits there and dares the people.
Has anyone ever seen?
Has anyone heard?
And there's, and there is Mike Barnacle.
No, I've never seen it.
Because I am the least, I am the worst detective in the world.
They're literally the least informed people in the world, and they're sitting there on a news show.
You never watch Fox News, Mike Barnacle?
You can't tell the truth about what you see on Fox News.
You know, the thing is, the funny thing is Joe Scarborough got in trouble a couple of months ago for calling out Sean Hannity for being racist.
And he said, why?
And he's calling Fox News racist, but apparently calling them poor demonizers is just beyond the pale for Joe Scarborough.
Yeah.
Again, it has to do with his dislike of this president.
Yes, of course.
I mean, that's purely what it's about.
When he was in the mood to actually see Hannity free of context of that fight, he was like, oh, that guy's a racist.
Yeah.
So it's exactly what we're talking about.
So let me play this again when he says this.
About Fox News calling poor people leeches, sponges, and lazy.
Have you ever heard that on Fox News?
No, I have not.
Has anybody ever heard that Fox News?
I think he was talking.
Has anybody?
No, this is important.
I don't really watch.
Has anybody ever watched anybody call the poor lazy sponges and leeches?
You hear that?
Turn on the radio.
Turn on Todd Radio.
Trick-wing-waiting.
Turn on Tot Radio.
I was talking about Fox News.
Oh, so now Joe starts to parse because what just happened was plagiar, what's his name?
what's his name?
Barnacle.
Mike Barnacle.
Mike Barnacle says, well, turn on right-wing radio.
And you'll hear that all the time.
And then he goes, I'm talking about Fox News.
Right.
He didn't need to say a right-wing radio because it happens on Fox News.
And you know what?
I really have to.
Someone like, did you say John Hiermann was there?
Yes, he's sitting right there, sitting right there.
Now, here's the guy who has written best-selling books.
He makes good money as a journalist.
Why does he feel the need to just sit there and not tell Joe Scarborough what an idiot he is and get up and walk off?
What's going to happen to his life?
And I mean, is being on TV so important to these people?
Yes.
They say, yes, absolutely.
And I guess it's important to his book sales and all that.
But Jesus, I mean, I just couldn't take it having to sit there and listen to that shit.
I mean, the whole point of doing your own thing in life is so you don't have to take it.
I mean, you're a journalist.
These are the people they're at the top of their profession.
At the top of Albert.
John Heilman, and they had a book that was made into a movie on HBO.
It was a big bestseller that made a lot of money.
And yet they still feel the need to sit there and kiss the ass of the most horrible person in the world.
It's amazing.
And he sits there and challenges them.
Has anybody, no, this is important.
Has anybody, has anybody ever heard it?
Has anybody, is the water, is water wet?
Does anybody think water's wet?
No, Joe.
No, no, Joe.
And then Mika, that, that just, what a, and she says, oh, I don't know.
He's a victim.
Oh, I don't watch it.
Oh.
So could we get anyone who's less informed to sit on the panel?
People who, you guys are in the media.
They're the other, the number one news network in the freaking country, and you guys don't know what's on their news show.
The number one news channel.
You guys are doing a news show.
You're supposed to, you're all journalists.
You're media critics.
And you don't have any idea what happens on Fox News.
Mika's completely ignorant to what happens on Fox News.
I've seen ISIS hostages that look more at ease than Mika.
So here's the most depressing discovery about the brain ever.
There's a guy named Dan Cahan, and he did a research paper called Motivated Numeracy and Enlightened Self-Government.
So I'll just tell you to sum up.
You know how you think, well, if I could just give people enough information, if this guy who denies climate change would just see the facts.
Right.
Or if this guy who thinks that Barack Obama was born in Kenya, if he just sees the facts.
Right.
Or if this guy who believes that trickle-down economics works, if he just saw the data, he would change his mind.
Well, this guy's paper says that is not true.
He says that kind of not shocking.
The dream that education, journalism, scientific evidence, media literacy, or reason can provide the tools and information that people need in order to make good decisions.
Say goodnight to that.
It turns out that in the public realm, a lack of information isn't the real problem.
The hurdle is how our minds work.
No matter how smart we think we are, we want to believe we're rational, but reason turns out to be the ex post facto way we rationalize what our emotions already want us to believe.
But that's the reason why we're supposed to have sort of collective reasoning, like we're supposed to reach a consensus.
So you're supposed to be able to rise above the particular biases of a group or of a particular person or a particular group.
So I mean, everybody has biases.
I mean, that's a known fact.
Einstein had biases.
He refused to believe in the Big Bang theory, even though all of his data proved it.
Well, here's what this guy says.
Well, he was Joe Einstein, though.
And by the way, fun fact, the guy who came up with the Big Bang theory, who's a Jesuit.
He's a Catholic Jesuit.
Boy, right.
Oh, I didn't know Chuck Laurie was.
I was just going to say.
Dastard.
So do facts matter?
No.
And the answer is basically, Michael, you're correct.
The answer is no.
When people are misinformed, giving them facts to correct those errors only makes them cling to their wrong beliefs more tenaciously.
And I've experienced this.
I'm sure we've all experienced this on Facebook.
I've experienced this on Facebook.
I've experienced it at Thanksgiving.
There was a woman I knew who was a waitress at a comedy club who didn't have health insurance and actually went bankrupt because she didn't have it.
And she had posted something negative about the ACA, the Obamacare.
And I was like, what are you talking about?
Now you can finally get insurance.
It's a good thing for someone like you.
She goes, I'll never believe it's good for someone like me.
She's going to die thinking that.
So, yes, she is.
She's not alone.
So here's some of what Nyhan found, this guy in doing his research.
He found out, for instance, people who thought that WMDs were found in Iraq believed that misinformation even more strongly when they were shown a news story correcting it.
Right.
Right.
That's does the, what is that?
Nothing?
Well, I'm just, I keep thinking to myself, isn't this, isn't he just highlighting cognitive dissonance?
That it's just like embedded in us?
But it's even worse.
He says that you even cling more strongly to wrong information when shown right information.
Cognitive dissonance, yes, it is.
Cognitive dissonance is when you shut out the information that upsets your preconceived notions, which is basically what he's saying.
But he's not only, he's going one step further and saying it actually makes you believe it more.
And this is all, by the way, this has all like been known for centuries.
David Hume wrote this.
He wrote like, reason has always been the slave of the passions.
This has always been known, but that's why, but he did it at a time when democracy was not a big issue.
They still had a king.
Oh, I'm sorry.
Go ahead.
No, no, no.
I have nothing more.
Nothing about that.
Well, I was going to say, but I think that the media exacerbates all of this.
And what you're describing just sounds like the world we live in.
And the media exacerbates it by giving credence to things that aren't true and treating them with equal weight that are true.
Like, for instance, this past Sunday, there was a big thing because Alex Jones, you know, the crazy conspiracy theorist who said that military, military is going to invade Texas.
There was a whole thing because he didn't show up for his interview.
Now, to me, that isn't the weird thing.
And the awful thing about the whole story, the awful thing, is that they asked Alex Jones to come on their show.
They asked him to come on to present his case for the fact that the military is going to take over Texas.
And they were probably going to have pundits who would argue that the military isn't going to take over Texas, but they're treating it as a thing should present on what's supposed to be a serious news show.
And that kind of shit, you know, we've talked before about when they had a guy debate Bill Nye on Meet the Press.
Yes.
Bill Nye arguing in favor of science, another guy arguing in favor of superstition, as if they're two equal things.
So I think what this researcher said is it's probably a natural tendency on the part of people, but we live in a society now where the media gives everything as long as people are talking about it and it becomes a thing on the internet or whatever, the media gives it credence.
And they should either be ignoring that kind of stuff or saying, you know, if you have Alex Jones on your show, you should be introducing him as Here's Crazy Conspiracy Theory.
Yes.
And Frank Alex Jones, which is the way people like him used to be on shows like when I was a kid, like the Alan Burke Show.
And there were shows like that that just had crazy people on.
But that's why, you know, there was no pretense that the people that they were having on were crazy.
So what you're saying is, Frank, is they've replayed, they've replaced objectivity with neutrality.
So now everybody's opinion is just as valid as everybody else's.
So Alex Jones, who's crazier than any person you've ever met in your life, was invited to be on this week on ABC this past Sunday.
elect that to me that much greater the fact that he said is is card in pick it up you The Guardian newspaper just released 27 letters.
They're called the Black Spider Letters of Prince Charles.
He wrote to different people in the British government over the last 20 years and 27 years.
And the Guardian's just releasing those.
And I want to see if I can get somebody from Buckingham Palace to see if we can get them to comment.
I got a phone call into Buckingham Palace.
Hello.
Oh, hi.
I'm calling from a radio show in America.
And I was hoping to speak to somebody from Prince Charles's staff.
Can I speak to anybody from Prince Charles' staff?
Is that possible?
Oh, well.
I don't see anyone around the moon.
And I've got you.
And who is this exactly I'm speaking to?
Oh, yes, I'm Prince of Wales.
Oh, my gosh, Your Majesty.
You answer your own phone?
Well, yes, I do.
It's a hobby I've developed recently.
You see, the phone rings, and it's like a little mystery, isn't it?
Who's on the line now?
You are not.
And then you pick up the receivers of ours, and the mystery is solved.
Truly marvelous.
Okay, well, Your Majesty, do you mind talking to me for, can you talk to me for a few minutes?
I got some questions.
And who are you again?
This is Jimmy.
My name is Jimmy Dore.
Ah, an Irishman.
Yeah.
Yeah.
And I expect you all to fist fight.
No, no.
I shall meet you in Leicester Square at dawn tomorrow.
No.
You shall fight there, just like true Cambridgemen.
No, no, sir.
I'm an American.
I'm calling from America.
I'm not in Ireland.
Ah, an American with your large penises and emotions.
That's a knife.
Wow.
Wow.
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