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April 6, 2012 - Jimmy Dore Show
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Well, this evening marks the beginning of Passover with Easter on Sunday.
Millions of people will celebrate these holidays with a deep-rooted faith that any of those things really happened.
And some of us, whether Jew or Christian, or for that matter, Hindu or Muslim, might take a moment to ask ourselves whether we are all really all that different from each other.
To which people of all religions would no doubt reply, yes.
We are much better than everyone else.
They are strange-looking and not that clean.
But most of us don't say it out loud because you have to do business with those people.
And in this country, generally speaking, we tolerate each other.
We don't want any trouble.
We just want to go to work in the morning and come home in the evening.
Or in my case, stay home all day and occasionally look for a job.
So this weekend, let's think about the importance of tolerance and save our hostility for something really important, like if the Supreme Court overturns Obamacare.
That'll be the time to form angry mobs and take to the streets, and not a moment before.
I want my country back!
It's the Jimmy Dore Show.
The show for...
The kind of people that are...
It's the show that makes Anderson Cooper say.
It's hard to talk on your TV alley.
And now, here's a guy who sounds a lot like me.
It's Jimmy Dore.
Hi, everybody.
Welcome to this week's episode.
I'm joined in studio to my right from Mystery Science Theater 3000 and Cinematic Titanic.com coming to a city near you.
It's Frank Conniff.
Hi, Frank.
How are you?
Hello, Derek.
Oh.
Next to him, former writer for The Daily Show, hilarious comedian.
It's Steve Rosenfield.
Hey, Steve, how are you?
Good, Jimmy.
How are you?
Steve, you're in a groove.
You've been writing some great jokes lately.
Thank you.
And let's.
It's great to be back in Pasadena.
All right.
Let's hope you bring that kind of comedy to the show.
All right.
And next to him, the host of the Mental Illness Happy Hour podcast, chosen one of the top 10 podcasts in the whole wild world by The Onion.
It's Paul Gilmart.
Hi, Paul.
James.
Good to see you.
How are you doing?
Good, bud.
And okay, bud.
What are we going surfing later?
Cowabunga, dude.
That was very gnarly and hello, Paul, I got to tell you.
Okay, you know, Keith Olberman is out over at Current TV.
That's the big news in my world.
And by sacking Keith Olberman, Current TV has sent the clear message that if you have Frank Conniff on your show, the consequences will be done.
That's true.
At what point is Oberman going to say, maybe it's me?
Nope, it's not.
Not it was me.
He's a chandelier, buddy.
Harvard graduate Romney.
He slammed Obama for going to Harvard.
Good to know that Mitt Romney still hates people just like Mitt Romney.
Now that he's won the support of Paul Ryan, Mitt Romney is headed to Bedford Falls to secure the endorsement of Mr. Potter.
And Bill O'Reilly is upset at the liberals saying they should not be convicting Zimmerman in the media.
That's what the non-existent trial is for.
There you go.
And what's what the media is doing to Zimmerman is really unfair, rushing to judgment without any evidence.
That's the kind of behavior I'd expect from Zimmerman.
Exactly.
Okay, and that's what's coming.
We're going to talk about that.
We're going to talk about a gun rights activist who defends George Zimmerman.
We're also going to talk about Martin Luther King's daughter showed up on Fox News.
Isn't that nice?
What did she have to say?
It was fantastic.
We'll talk about it.
Plus, Mitt Romney has his finger on the pulse.
He knows exactly what women are thinking in America.
Plus, we'll drop in with the race baiter Bill O'Reilly.
That's all coming up.
Oh, we got phone calls.
And Romney calls in today.
Plus, Mitt Romney calling the Romneys call in today.
That's coming up today on the Jimmy Doer show.
Time for another installment of Oh My God.
Okay, in this week's Oh My God segment, Mitt Romney's running, you know, he's running as a moderate.
That's the whole deal.
What makes Rick Santorum so much more conservative than Mitt Romney?
Is it his campaign style?
Maybe.
Is it his robo calls?
Well, here's a robo call that was circulating in Wisconsin just last week.
When you vote tomorrow, please vote for social sanity in Rick Santorum, not for homosexuality and Mitt Romney.
Rick Santorum is the only candidate who can be trusted to uphold traditional marriage, a straight military, and the rights of American children to have both a mother and a father.
Yes, you know, a mother and a father fighting in the military to get killed.
That's what they're fighting for.
They can't let the whole...
Could you imagine getting that message on your phone?
Please vote for sanity, not for homos.
Please, please vote for Rick Santorum.
Who does this work on?
I guess I know who it works on.
I would have to bring my phone to a rape crisis center after that.
My phone is just in the shower.
I feel huddled up, crying.
Mitt Romney couldn't be reached for coming because he was watching glee.
Very nice.
We're going to get back to some of Mitt Romney's connection problems.
But here's the second part of today's Oh my Gods.
That was fun.
I want to hear that again.
One more time for the RoboCall.
When you vote tomorrow, please vote for social sanity in Rick Santorum, not for homosexuality and Mitt Romney.
Yes, okay.
And you know, Mitt Romney has never made a robocall himself because it would seem redundant.
I'm going to bet that Rick Santorum's ass was tighter than a Trader Joe's parking lot.
Wow, very fun.
Boy, that's a coast joke right there, I got to tell you.
That's a good coast joke.
We've heard a lot of different versions of the George Zimmerman, Trayvon Martin.
We've heard a lot of crazy stuff being said.
Well, here is the executive director of Gun Owners of America.
So, you know, he's probably got some pretty well-reasoned rational ideas.
Oh, sure.
Sure.
Here's what he said.
You know, so when George Zimmerman was chasing him with a gun, it was not up to George Zimmerman to flee the scene.
It was up to Trayvon Martin.
That's right.
Trayvon Martin should have left after he punched him.
And because he didn't, that's why you think I'm kidding?
Here's what he has.
Once Martin had neutralized the threat, Zimmerman was on the ground.
That's when he should have just taken off to get out of there.
That's not what he did.
And he doubled down and he started to really beat the tar out of the guy.
Yeah, you know, after you have him on the ground, you have to then sprint quickly to outrun the bullet he's going to put in your back.
And that's where Trayvon made his big mistake.
I mean, that's why he was wrong.
That's why he's dead right now because he didn't try to outrun the bullet.
He stayed there.
He stood his ground.
The image of Trayvon beating the tar out of George Zimmerman and a guy who's much bigger than him, you know, and has a it's it's it's so believable, isn't it?
Well, he was about 100 pounds heavier than him.
So a 17-year-old kid getting beaten up by a guy who's 240 pounds.
Shouldn't that have disqualified him from the neighborhood watch that he wasn't really a part of anyway?
Yeah, there was a lot of things that should have disqualified him from the neighborhood.
He has some more to say.
Really?
This is Larry Platt, the executive director of Go North.
He says it again.
Trayvon Martin gave up his rights and Shifted from being a victim to being an aggressor when after he knocked Zimmerman down, he didn't run away from that situation.
Instead, he doubled down on the guy and started doing a world of damage.
So what Larry Platt is saying, that if you're following someone and you have a gun on you and you confront this guy and he punches you, you can shoot him.
That's really what he's doing.
That's what everyone who's defending.
If you're defending Zimmerman, you're like, well, if you hunt someone down with a gun and then they turn around and punch you, you go ahead and shoot them.
This is a great conversation.
If you confront a person on a street who has recently made a purchase at a convenience store, it creates a tension that allows you to use a gun.
How else would you defuse that situation except with a gun?
Never been punched.
It's a painful experience.
That person needs to die.
That person needs a bullet.
You know, I'm glad that Larry Platt was interviewed because it seems that he knows better than anyone else what really happened that night, doesn't it?
And it's Trayvon.
I mean, he should have known better, Trayvon, better than to get shot by an armed vigilante chasing him with his car.
Such an act of aggression.
First of all, there was the walking, the hoodie.
And why didn't he have a car?
Why didn't he have that such a car?
He has a lot to answer for, except because he was about to steal one.
Everybody knows that.
Oh, sure.
When I tell my cats to get off the table, that's a bigger act of aggression than Trayvon Martin did that night.
What was that?
When I tell my cats to get off the table, that's a bigger act of aggression than what Trayvon Martin did last year.
It sounds to me like Trayvon Martin really had a death wish.
So it all worked out that night, really.
Do we even know that Trayvon Martin punched him?
I mean, that hasn't really been established.
No, there was no blood on his head.
He's got a whole scenario going.
Everybody knows.
The scars in the blood that aren't there are indications that, yes, he did punch him.
Yes, and he was banging Zimmerman's head against the sidewalk, and you can tell because of the grass stains on his back.
What?
What?
This has been, oh my God.
Oh, my God.
I don't know if you guys have been noticing, but Mitt Romney's having a lot of hard times lately.
He flip-flopping.
Even, in fact, I don't know if you caught this, but Romney's healthcare position is so fraudulent that even a company man and full-time corporate shill like Jay Leno can't help but expose him.
Here he was last week on the Tonight Show.
What about pre-existing conditions?
I mean, I know people who could not get insurance up until this Obamacare, and now they're covered in pre-existing conditions.
And children also, it seems like children and people with preexisting conditions should be covered.
Yeah.
Jay Leno asking him a question that would be nice to hear Brian Williams propose or David Gregory or George Snuffalupigus.
Any of those would work.
Okay.
People who have been continuously insured, let's say someone's had a job for a while, been insured, then they get real sick and they happen to lose a job or change jobs.
They find, gosh, I got a preexisting condition.
You know how you change jobs when you get really sick?
You know, that happens.
God, I'm really sick.
I'm in the hospital.
How's that job search?
How's that going?
I got a couple of appointments tomorrow.
Luckily, I've been hired to start in Whose Life Is It Anyway?
Can't get insured.
I'd say, no, no, no.
As long as you've been continuously insured, you ought to be able to get insurance going forward.
So you have to take that problem away.
You have to make sure that legislation doesn't allow insurance companies to reject people.
So you have to make sure that you have to have legislation.
And so what he's saying is that we have that legislation, and he's like to get rid of it first.
And then he'd like to re-implement it.
As long as you've never not had insurance, it's good.
But once you don't have it, then you're screwed.
Right.
Yeah.
So anybody that's in is grandfathered in, but the rest of you are on your own.
Yeah, he's saying if there's a break in your coverage for any reason, like if you get too poor to pay for it, or if you, whatever, for whatever reason.
But you can't be grandfathered in because the seniors aren't going to get their Medicare either.
He's got to be fathered out.
He's got more to say.
Take the law stand for children and people with preexisting conditions.
People with preexisting conditions, as long as they've been insured before, they're going to be able to continue to have insurance.
Well, here at Jay Leno, the question you guys all want to say right now.
What if they haven't been?
Jay Leno says exactly that same thing.
Here he goes.
Which is, by the way, much more than David Gregory would ever do.
Here we go.
So they were never insured.
Well, if they're 45 years old and they show up and they say, I want insurance because I've got a heart disease, it's like, hey, guys, we can't play the game like that.
First of all, I like how he calls healthcare a game.
Hey, you're 45 and you have heart disease and you want insurance.
Hey, guys, can't play the game like that.
Can't play the game.
Yeah, it's the kind of, but it's not the kind of game where you compete for prizes and at the end, Pat Zajak sends you on a cruise.
It's the kind of game where you get sick, go broke, then die for lack of funds.
It's that kind of game.
It's a game where you lose.
Yeah, aka the worst health care system in the world.
I'm sorry, you're not moving on to the lightning round.
Game over.
Get insurance when you're well.
And then if you get ill, then you're going to.
Yeah, but what if you don't have insurance?
Jay Leno, Jay Leno, again, Jay Leno, a hard-hitting journalist.
I'm not kidding.
I hope you people who listen to the show know my disdain for the modern-day Jay Leno and my love for the old-time Jay Leno, loved him until he got the show.
And this is blowing my mind that he's doing this.
He's like Walter Cronkite compared to the regular journalist.
I got to tell you, I want to send him a tweet.
But there are a lot of people.
I only mentioned this because I know guys that work in the auto industry and they're just not covered because they work in breakdust and they could get, so they've just never been able to get insurance.
And then they get to be 30, 35.
They were never able to get insurance before.
Now they have it.
That seems like a good thing.
We'll look at a circumstance where someone was ill and hasn't been insured so far.
Jay Leno is out debating you.
Jay Leno is out debating you.
Okay, he's got some more insurance.
People have had the chance to be insured.
If you're working at an auto business, for instance, companies carry insurance.
They insure all their employees.
You look at the circumstances that exist, but people who've done their best to get insured are going to be able to be covered.
But you don't want everyone saying, I'm going to sit back until I get sick and then go buy insurance.
That doesn't make sense.
Yeah, of course, which is what he's basically saying is you need an individual mandate.
That's what he's saying.
He's saying, yeah, you can't just have people not being in the presence.
We have to have everybody included.
Only in Massachusetts, not in the country.
Right.
That's what he means when he says you can't show up at 45 with a heart condition.
He means that you need to have been paying into health insurance to make the economics of the health insurance work, i.e.
an individual mandate.
Even more effed up is that he's making the 45-year-old guy with a heart condition sound like he's some kind of parasite trying to suck off the system.
And the most effed up thing of all is that I'm certain Romney has no idea how prohibitively expensive health insurance actually is for working people, let alone how expensive it is for someone who's self-employed.
Like, I don't think Romney gets that.
A 45-year-old guy probably never thought to buy, who never bought insurance before because he couldn't afford $1,000 a month, maybe.
Did you ever think of that?
Okay.
Wow.
He couldn't stand up to the withering investigative journalism of Jay Leno.
He's probably canceled his interview with Carson Daly now.
Mitt Romney does know that health insurance can be prohibitively lucrative to his friends.
And is this not the classic conservative problem?
Like they don't understand a problem until it actually affects them personally.
Right.
You know, which is why Nancy Reagan's for stem cell research and Dick Cheney's for gay marriage, right?
Because those things affected them personally.
They get that.
Just like now Mitt Romney can understand.
Hey, if you're 45 and I can't help you.
Go ahead.
Well, that's my problem with a lot of the far right is it's all based on ideology and they don't ever want to be confronted with the facts of it just like what Ron Paul was confronted in that debate about what do you do with a guy that gets a head injury that doesn't have yeah like like his campaign manager by the way who got pneumonia and died with a $400,000
medical bill that got shoved off on his family did that that didn't come out in that debate by the way that didn't come you know that right now I did yeah Ron Paul's old campaign manager got sick with pneumonia $400,000 in medical bill dies doesn't have health insurance and now his family is burdened with that bill so and I know the people who listen to the show who also like Ron Paul you can all go about that so Jay Leno is talking about his mechanic friends of
You know, the small business owners that Republicans pretend to defend.
Yeah, those guys.
And Jay is saying that he's got friends who own their own businesses, but insurance companies won't insure them at all.
And as near as I can tell, Mitt Romney's response is, yeah, well, you know, that's basically his response.
That's not how the game is played.
Hit the showers.
Yes.
And can I just say for the last time, the individual mandate, well, let's just break it down.
He's for people being covered with preexisting conditions?
Yes, he is.
He's for kids being given health insurance?
Yes, he is.
He sounds like he's for an individual mandate, right?
But he's not for any of those things now.
He wants to get rid of Obamacare, right?
Why?
Because the black guy's for it now.
All those things that he's for that's in this bill, he wants to get rid of it.
Why?
Because the black guy passed it.
That's right.
And Mitt Romney keeps having hard times.
He's got an out-of-touch problem, right?
So this shows how out-of-touch he is with regular people who can't get health insurance.
So a guy stood up and asked him, how is he going to...
Here.
How would you respond to that, that you're out of touch with the average American?
Well, my guess is I get a chance to be with a lot more average Americans every day than he does.
That's right.
Do you know how many average Americans it takes to build a garage with an elevator?
He meets more average people working on the elevator in his garage, and Barack Obama meets in an entire week.
Plenty.
And Mitt Romney's got a problem with women.
In fact, he trails Barack Obama with women in swing states by a two-to-one margin.
And when he was asked what he's going to do to fix his gender gap problem, Mitt let us know that he has his finger on the pulse of what American women are thinking.
We're here to answer that question in particular, because she says that she's going across the country and talking with women, and what they're talking about is the debt.
Yes.
That's what women are talking about all over the country, Paul.
I don't know.
They're talking about the debt.
And interestingly enough, all these women agreed we could solve the debt problem tomorrow by cutting the funding for Planned Parenthood.
Isn't that interesting?
Yeah, and these ladies also asked, hey, why are we bankrupting our treasury performing multiple abortions on welfare queens?
These are the things.
That's not right, Jimmy.
This is what women are talking about all across the country.
Yeah, these women are upset about the deficit, and they're also demanding that he eliminates Medicare to help pay it off.
That's what women are talking about.
This is what Mitt Romney would have you believe.
I don't know.
What do you think he's going to do about the gender gap, Paul?
I don't think he cares.
I think he's just somebody that's been driven by money his whole life and now is trying his best to put on a facade that he understands the average person.
And as we've seen through a hundred audio clips, it's laughable when he tries to connect.
He can't even fake it.
He can't.
He can't even fake it, like even in the littlest amount.
A much better strategy for him, seriously, would have been if he comes on and goes, you know what?
I'm very stiff.
I'm not comfortable with people.
So don't expect me to be homespun.
But I have ideas that I think are going to help the country.
So please bear with me when I speak.
I'm going to be saying a lot of stupid crap over the next few months.
Don't pay any attention to it.
Yes, I have money, but you know, I mean, there's nothing wrong with that.
Yes.
Hold on a sec.
I mean, you know, I mean, they used to say that about Al Gore, you know, and Al Gore would joke about it.
You know, he would try to have a sense of humor about it.
You know, he was the one.
He did the Macarena.
And he did the joke about, you know, I'm so boring that the Secret Service's code name for Al Gore is Al Gore.
You know, and so but Mitt is not like doesn't get any of that, you know, to try to be funny about it.
He is not likable.
I don't think he can be self-effacing and be likable.
His idea of a funny story was that his dad closed a car plant in Michigan.
So he's given a speech in Wisconsin and he wants to suck up to the Wisconsin voters.
And what he tells them is he tells a funny story about his dad was when he was running for governor.
Mitt Romney, his dad was running for governor in Michigan.
Right.
And he had a band with him.
And the only fight song that they knew, they didn't know Michigan's fight song.
They knew Wisconsin's fight song.
And they kept playing it.
And his dad was embarrassed because he didn't want to remind them that he had just switched production from Michigan to a plant in Wisconsin.
And he fired all those people.
That was a story he told as a joke.
But you know what?
I mean, Mitt told that story really well.
But to really appreciate the suffering and hardship, you had to be there.
Losing your job.
That's funny.
Well, you know, Frank, you mentioned Mitt Romney having a problem about him being stiff.
His wife actually made a little bit of a gaffe.
His wife.
Here we go.
Right.
It runs in the family.
Here we go.
We're speaking with Ann Romney, the wife of former governor of Massachusetts, Mitt Romney, talking to her about Election Day coming up.
And one of the things, Ann Romney, that folks talk about is the fact that sometimes that your husband, Governor Mitt Romney, and I've seen him like in casual conversations, and he comes off very, very, you know, smooth and OK.
But sometimes he appears stiff.
Do you have to fight back some criticism?
Like, my husband isn't stiff, OK?
Well, you know, I guess we better unzip him and let the real Mitt Romney out, because he is not.
It is so funny to me that that is the perception I'm in.
No, he is not stiff.
The only thing you can possibly say about that is, hey-oh!
You can take that two ways.
You know, I actually talked with Mitt Romney's wife, Ann Romney, about that.
She called in, yeah.
Hey, it's Jimmy.
Who's this?
Hi, Jimmy Dore.
It's me, Ann Romney.
Who?
Ann Romney?
You know, Mrs. Robot.
Oh, hi, Ann.
romney how are you this is Stiffy.
Yeah, yeah, we got it.
It's Ann Romney.
How are you, Ann?
What's happening?
Mrs. Pull-Up Butts.
Ann, yeah, we got it.
I'm kidding.
I'm making fun of Mitt's image, which is so unlike the myth that I know and serve.
I need love.
I wish the public could see the private myth that I've seen every day for the last 43 years.
Well, tell us about it, Ann.
I'll never forget the first time Mitt told me he loved me.
Oh, where were you guys?
We were in Massachusetts.
And then a week later, when we were in Utah, he said he didn't love me.
Well, that had to stay.
Then we were in California.
And he said he loved me again.
But then in Texas, he denied he'd ever said he loved me.
And tell me how it ends already.
Finally, he told me that he believed that his love for me should be decided on a state-by-state.
I hope you didn't put up with that, Anne.
Well, since this is truly a conservative principle, and I'm a woman, I have no right to control my own emotions or my body.
So, of course, I was totally okay with this.
You know, Ann, I don't think this is helping.
Why not tell us about what keeps you guys together?
That would help.
More than anything else, the thing that has kept us together has been our Mormon faith.
Okay.
The role models for our marriage have been Donnie and Marie Osman, which I know sounds a little creepy because they're brother and sister and Mitt and I sleep together.
Yeah, you're right.
It's a little creepy.
What do you mean, Anne?
What I mean is that in the sack, I'm a little bit of country and Mitt is a little bit of rock and roll.
Really, Mitt, rock and roll.
How do you mean rock and roll?
Yeah, he's like the Kenny G playing a Barry Manilow song.
Okay, that's what I thought.
That's the kind of rock and roll.
Oh, Kenny G playing a Barry Manilosa.
It's rocking.
Yes, it's rocking.
Tell us about some of the tough times.
Oh, Jimmy, there have been trials and tribulations along the way.
I bet there have.
Can you tell us about some?
Like when the Mormon elders suddenly reversed hundreds of years of church doctrine and decided out of the blue that black people could get into heaven.
Shocking.
I know this sounds very outmoded to you, Jimmy.
Oh, not at all.
Historically, all religions have had beliefs that seem horrific to us in the modern world.
Yeah, I think emphasis on the horrific.
And the Mormon church's blatantly racist policies date back to ancient times.
Okay, and when you say ancient times, how far back are you talking?
Way, way, all the way back to 1978.
Oh, 1978.
I can't even believe people are still bringing this up.
Jimmy, I hope I've humanized Mitt Romney for you.
He has a whimsical, playful side that voters don't get to see.
You know when I think Mitt Romney, from now on, I'll think whimsical.
That's what I'll think.
Listen, I think you guys need a vacation.
Why don't you guys take some time off from the campaign trail and get together?
We are.
In fact, right now, Jimmy, we're all going on a fun family trip.
We're going to strap our dog to the roof of our car, drive up to Lake Havasu, and posthumously, that's guys and Frank.
Anyways, take care, Jimmy.
Okay, you take care, and it's posthumously.
It's hard to say.
I know.
Okay, that was Ann Romney calling in to humanize Mitt Romney.
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Okay, so let's get back to the second half of this week's Jimmy Door show.
Okay, welcome back to the Jimmy Door Show.
I'm joined in studio from Mystery Science Theater 3000 and CinematicTitanic.com.
It's Frank Conniff, former writer for The Daily Show, hilarious comedian Steve Rosenfield is here and the host of the Mental Illness Happy Hour podcast.
Paul Gilmartin is here.
And what's coming up in the second half of today's show?
Well, Mitt Romney calls in to, well, he's got a lot to say.
Plus, we're going to talk about the race baiting that's been happening over at the Bill O'Reilly show.
We're going in depth into the race baiting.
Plus, we're going to have a clip of Martin Luther King's daughter stop by to disappoint everyone over at Fox News.
And well, here I'm going to show you the subtle.
Here's Bill O'Reilly.
We're going to talk about the race baiting that's been going on.
This is a clip from 2010.
Now, I remember when this first came on, Bill O'Reilly show, I played it on this show, and we played it on Left, Right, and Ridiculous, the live show.
And it kind of shows you, well, first of all, you need to know a little background.
See, because blacks have always complained that they're targeted by law enforcement.
The criminal justice system is inherently racist, which, you know, if you look at incarceration rates, it's way disproportionately represented by minorities in the prison system, right?
So blacks make up about 12% of the population.
So you would think they would make up about 12% of all arrests, right?
Which would be consistent with their numbers in the population.
But blacks don't make up 12% of the arrest.
In fact, 29% of all people arrested in America are black.
So they are disproportionately by double represented in the arrest statistics, not alone, let alone the incarceration statistics, right?
But you need to use Fox News race baiting math, and you can turn those numbers upside down on their head and make whites out to be the oppressed people in America, and blacks, a bunch of finger-pointing whiners who need to shut up.
Think I'm kidding?
Let's watch Bill O'Reilly.
Do a little math.
All right, let me throw some stats at you and see how this is going to play out, okay?
Crime.
This is an amazing stat.
28% of those incarcerated are black, but arrested, arrested, I should say, a black.
69% are white.
So whites dominate the arrest sheets far more than their population.
You always hear the cops are picking on the African Americans, but whites are arrested way higher than African Americans.
But he's not saying as a percentage of he's completely that those statistics are meaningless unless you give the percentage of blacks and whites in the population.
Blacks make up a little over 12% of the population, and they are arrested.
28% of people arrested are black.
So they're disproportionately by double.
And the real number to me would be the percentage of those arrested compared to those convicted.
Oh, sure.
And the incarceration rates are even worse, is what you're talking about.
Yes.
Well, because if people are being falsely arrested, you need to compare them to how many are actually being convicted because you shouldn't discount somebody that actually commits a crime is arrested and convicted.
Per 100,000 African Americans in America, a little over 3,000 of them are in prison.
For every 100,000 whites, a little under 500 of them are in prison.
So they are disproportionately represented in the prison system.
So that's what you're saying, right?
No.
How come I keep misunderstanding that?
No, what I'm saying is you need to know whether to find out whether or not people are being unnecessarily arrested, you should compare how many people are arrested but not convicted because that is indicative of an unnecessary arrest.
So you're saying that you can only.
Just because somebody's convicted doesn't mean they're unfairly convicted.
Right.
But what you're saying is I would say that those numbers actually represent an inherent racism in the prison system.
You would say not.
I would say a better number to look at would be that other number.
So if someone is frivolously arrested and then frivolously convicted, that wouldn't show up in your statistic.
Right.
You're saying that if someone's frivolously arrested, that they will be let go and they're not.
Well, what's also hard to say is people that are economically disadvantaged are going to have to commit crimes sometimes to survive.
So some of those people that are convicted, it may not be for a dangerous crime.
It may just be because they were trying to survive.
But also, like a lot of probably from the statistics, a disproportionate amount of black people are arrested for actual crimes that are also committed by white people who are not arrested.
In other words, drugs.
In other words, way more black people got busted for smoking crack than frat guys who did Coke, white frat guys doing Coke in their dorm room.
You're talking about another hidden racism in the criminal justice system, which is selective enforcement.
Right.
That, I think, is a much more telling stat.
I saw a, I was in Iowa one time and I was reading the front page of a newspaper, and there were two stories, completely unrelated.
One was a white man had been found guilty of molesting a child and received, I want to say like a year in prison and then like probation.
A black man had been caught smoking crack and was given 10 years in prison.
Well, and so what is happening here is Bill is pretending not to understand how math works or statistics work in order to confuse his own viewers into, and what this is a very subtle form of race baiting.
He's saying those black people who complain about the injustices of our criminal justice system are just whiners.
They're just complaining and whiners.
In fact, 70% of the people who are arrested are white.
Well, guess what?
Whites make up almost 80% of the population, you knucklehead.
That means that they're actually underrepresented.
He should be ashamed of himself for pulling out a statistic like that.
I mean, it's.
I think that they're beyond shame.
Because here's Bill O'Reilly teaching a masterclass in the subtle art of race baiting.
Once again, that was from 2010.
This is from 2012.
Once again, according to Bill O'Reilly and Fox News, the problem in the Trayvon Martin case is not that the police department never arrested nor charged the craze gun-toting vigilante who convicted a black kid for being black in his mind, chased him down and gunned him dead.
That's never the problem with this case.
Bill has another villain he wants to distract you with.
And wouldn't you know it, it's also his political enemies over at MSNBC and CNN.
MBCN, CNN, to some extent, have a vested interest in seeing Zimmerman punished because they've already found him guilty on the air.
So they're not going to respect any verdict but guilty.
Therefore, those entities will tell the American public that racial injustice has been done if there's not a conviction.
And that could very well lead to violence, as we saw in the Rodney King case.
Yeah, because that's the one thing you can set your watch by.
Whenever an unarmed black kid gets shot by a self-appointed vigilante and gets set free, black people freak out.
They take it the wrong way.
They hate that.
They really, really hate that.
And it's like Bill saying, hey, what's the point of even having a trial if the liberal media is already convicted Zimmerman as being guilty, right?
The police might as well save some time and money by not arresting him and just prepare for the race riot.
That's what Bill is saying.
I think there's a tiny kernel of truth in what he's saying, and that Zimmerman is being tried in the public media right now.
But what really needs to happen is the case needs to be opened and done thoroughly.
And people need to be informed of why the decision was made not to arrest him.
I don't think anybody, you know, Paul, I hear what you're saying, that when you say he's being tried in the media, I think what's happening is that facts are being revealed about this case in the media, and people are being appropriately outraged about it.
Yes.
And then people say, oh, you shouldn't do that.
You shouldn't be outraged because we haven't had a trial yet.
Well, the reason why people are outraged is because there isn't a trial.
Exactly.
Exactly.
You can't tell people to stop convicting this guy in the media and wait for the trial if he hasn't been arrested and there isn't a trial.
hasn't been arrested in the media yet.
Yeah.
So that's...
So this is why he continued.
This is just race baiting, plain and silly.
It's a game of, hey, don't look at that, look at this.
And that's what happens when you don't arrest somebody.
Yes.
Is you're going to get both ends of the spectrum jumping to their conclusion.
Yeah.
Now, I happen to be on the left end of the spectrum who believes this guy is guilty, but I also believe he should be given a fair trial, and you shouldn't.
You have to arrest him first.
You have to arrest him first.
I think that is such a red herring and a straw man.
People say that you have to wait for the trial.
You couldn't convict him in the media.
There is no trial.
That's what people are up to.
Outrageous.
That's what you get.
And if people in the media weren't outraged about it, we wouldn't even know about this case.
Well, yeah, and so this guy shoots an unarmed black kid and Bill O'Reilly, and he's not arrested.
And Bill O'Reilly's trying to convince everyone that there's been this great injustice on Zimmerman.
Zimmerman is the one who has this great injustice.
Yes, Zimmerman is now the victim.
Yes.
Well, that's the mantra of Fox News: is that the status quo is the victim.
Well, you look at every single story that they do, practically, and it's, you know, corporate white America is being victimized.
Wealthy white America is being victimized.
Well, Paul, all I can say is leave it to the liberal media to become hysterical and pass judgment before all the facts have been swept under the rug.
Exactly.
Right.
And you talk about the white America, the status quo, you think.
And who better to set us right about what's wrong with race in America than Bill O'Reilly, somebody who obviously understands it, right?
But do you understand what the New York Times wants and the far left want?
They want to break down the white Christian male power structure of which you're a part, and so am I. And they want to bring in millions of foreign nationals to basically break down the structure that we have.
In that regard, Pat Buchanan is right.
So I say that you've got to cap it with a number.
So what Bill O'Reilly.
He's talking about immigration.
He's talking about immigration.
That they want to bring in Mexicans to break down the white.
I thought Cap It meant shooting someone.
Oh, no, no.
You've got to cap it.
You've got to cap the number of people.
He's talking to John McCain, and he's saying you've got to cap the number of people that you're allowed to come in here, or else they're going to screw up our white Christian.
Well, yeah, that is the whole argument that Pat Buchanan has been making for years and made in his recent book is that the fact that our society is becoming more multicultural all the time is going to hurt our society because it's not going to be done.
Eventually, white people are not going to be in the majority anymore, and that has to be prevented at all costs.
Yes, we have to keep our majority.
We have to keep the white male Christian patients.
And Bill O'Reilly is blatantly saying that in that clip.
Yeah.
He just says these guys know how badly minorities get treated.
They don't want it to happen to them.
Everyone hates minorities.
Well, and here's another good example of Bill O'Reilly having a good grass understanding of race relations in America.
Here he is giving a speech to the Black Action Network a couple years ago.
Okay, and first of all, I just want to remind everybody before I play this clips that racism is over in America.
We all know that, and we proved it by electing an African socialist who hates America.
That's how you proved it.
And okay, so here's what Bill O'Reilly had to say in front of the Black Action Network.
It's a much more interesting country, America, if we stop with the race business, I think.
And by more interesting, he means still racist, but no longer feeling guilty about it.
It's a good feeling.
So that's what he means.
Okay.
It's a much more interesting country, America, if we stop with the race business, I think.
I mean, I'm not black, so I don't know your struggle.
And you don't know my struggle, all right, because you're not white.
But after.
You don't know how hard it is when you're white.
You know what it's like to be stuck in escrow over the summer?
Do you know how hard it is to find a Brooks brothers on Long Island on a Sunday?
Come on.
Do you know the kind of problems Bill O'Reilly?
Do you know how hard it is for a big celebrity like me to cheat on his wife without getting sued?
It's almost impossible.
It's definitely going to have to pay off at least three or four people.
I don't know what it's like to have my nose pressed to the window, and you don't know what it's like to have to stuff yourself with candy inside the store.
Okay.
All right, because you're not white.
But after 9-11, we pretty much dropped that race stuff, did we not?
We pretty much were all Americans there, right?
All right.
All right.
I hear yes, I hear no.
No, you hear no.
You hear no.
You hear no yeses.
No yeses at all.
They don't know Bill O'Reilly's struggle.
Bill O'Reilly has to live in a country that's 12% black, okay?
Talk about that kind of a struggle.
It's got to hurt.
And now 0.01% Muslim.
Yeah.
Yeah, yeah.
After 9-11, we dropped that racism stuff.
We went after our real enemies, the toll heads.
That's right.
We're done with that.
And it's a more interesting country now because there's nothing more boring than people demanding justice without any money to pay for it.
It's true.
These people.
Boo all you want.
The Supreme Court's going to abolish affirmative action.
That's all.
Five to four.
And by the way, he loves Louis Armstrong, too.
He forgot to add that.
You're Louis Armstrong.
There can't be any more racism in America or else Bill wouldn't be dignifying all you people just by being there.
How could I be racist if I paid for a ticket to see Electric Boogaloo?
So Bill O'Reilly is upset that the liberal media is exploiting this Trayvon Martin case.
That's what he's upset, that they're using this to exploit, even though nobody would know about this case if they didn't make a big deal out of it, and there still hasn't been an arrest.
So no matter how much they're screaming, this guy still can't get arrested for killing someone in cold blood.
So Bill O'Reilly, though, no stranger, no stranger to exploiting someone else's tragedy to further race bait.
Ready?
Now, I just want to get this straight.
So I don't know if you remember, there was a case of a white girl who was killed by a Mexican drunk driver, and the Mexican was an illegal immigrant.
Now, Bill thought that this was a perfect time to demonize illegal immigrants as if they're all drunks.
And he had Araldo on to point out to him that, no, it doesn't matter what this, if guys are Mexican, Russian, Italian, Polish.
The fact that it's drunk driving is bad, right?
But Bill misses that point.
You, Hero Love, with teenage daughters, are telling me that you are okay with somebody sneaking into the country, becoming drunk, get convicted of a DUI, and staying here.
My nightmare is my daughter's having anything to do with a drunk.
Let me finish my answer.
My nightmare is my daughter's having anything to do with a person driving drunk.
That's my nightmare.
It could be a Jewish drunk.
He has to be here.
It could be an Irish drunk.
It could be an Italian drunk.
American crime.
It makes plenty of difference.
He doesn't have a right.
He didn't commit a felony.
He doesn't have a right to be in his country.
But that has nothing to do with a man.
He's not drunk.
He shouldn't be with him.
He should have been deported.
And this mayor and a police chief didn't deport him.
Listen.
Do you know how many people we have in jail?
How many of them are illegal aliens?
Illegal aliens commit crimes at a lower rate than citizens do.
This guy shouldn't have been.
You or your jets has nothing to do with illegal aliens.
It has to do with drunk driving.
Don't obscure a tragedy.
You make a cheap political point on the phone.
This is justice.
This has nothing to do with it.
You want anarchist.
You want nothing to do with that mayor.
You want anarchy.
No, we don't want open border anarchy.
What I want is fairness.
We have lured these people.
We have lured these.
We have lured these people with a nobody job in a country where there is basically full domestic employment.
We have for decades lured them here.
And now we're starting a mob scene.
They're going to have to do it.
You want your viewers to knock on people's door door door.
You're an illegal.
I'm going to take you outside and do that.
I want the law enforced.
History has seen what happens when you're in the middle of the story.
I want the law enforcement.
And then you don't.
Bill, Congress, if they had the courage.
The President of the United States, if you look at what he has to say, all want reasoned immigration reform.
To do that is tragedy in Virginia Beach and make it about illegal aliens.
It is a sin.
That's a sin.
That's awesome.
That was pretty awesome.
That is awesome.
Why can't Fox News be like that more often?
There's a Herald.
Why can't Geraldo be like that more often?
Yeah.
And then Geraldo, just a couple of years later, told black kids that that's their fault for wearing hoodies.
Consistency, not the strongest.
And also, I love how Bill says, I'm interested in justice.
And he doesn't seem to be interested in it.
It's amazing how he, in this case, is doing exactly the thing he's accusing the liberal media of doing.
He's using someone's personal tragedy to try to stir up mob justice and pointing a finger at somebody.
And Geraldo Rivera says, you're doing this just to make a cheap political point.
This has nothing to do with illegal immigrants.
Illegal governments don't drink and drive at any higher rate than citizens do or anybody.
You're just trying to demonize them because they're not from this.
And that's exactly what he was doing.
You know, I would disagree with that slightly.
I think you can't ignore the fact that this person who got here illegally, if they hadn't got in here illegally, that woman would be alive.
You can't ignore that.
Yeah, that can't ignore that.
But you can't blame inconsequential facts.
I don't think it's consequential.
I'm not saying that if you're not thinking.
You're saying that if we just get rid of illegal immigrants, we wouldn't have drunk driving.
No, I'm saying you can't ignore the fact that that person came here illegally.
It factors in the space, but it's not the predominant thing that needs to be done.
But even though illegal immigrants commit crimes at a lower rate than citizens, even though what you're doing is you're embracing a fact that distorts the issue.
You're saying that's a good, that's an important fact, even though it distorts.
I'm not embracing the fact.
I'm saying it can't be completely ignored.
It can be completely ignored.
It has nothing to do with the case.
It has nothing to do.
Did that guy drink and drive because he was an illegal immigrant?
No.
So then what does it have to do with the case?
Because illegal immigrants do affect this country.
They affect it in a positive way, and they affect it.
By committing crimes in a negative way.
By committing crimes at a lower rate than citizens.
They affect it in a positive way and in a negative way.
And if you're going to look at the positive, you also have to look at the negative.
The negative is what?
That they drink and drive at a higher rate than they do the same crimes that we do.
They don't, though.
They commit them at a lower rate, though.
But they do the same crimes that we do.
But that statistic, but when you promote that statistic, you are distorting the issue.
I'm not promoting promoting that statistic.
I'm just saying it shouldn't be completely ignored.
I think you can factor in him being an illegal alien in the same sense that you can factor in a number of factors in drunk driving.
In other words, you know, the fact that alcohol is a drug and yet it's legal, that there's commercials on TV that encourages.
There's all kinds of things that you can work into the fact that the reason this person was driving drunk on a night and killed someone, what led to that, there's a million things, and one of them is the fact that he was in this country.
And for Bill O'Reilly to make the point that to inflame people's emotions by saying, look, we have a dead girl because of illegal immigration is – Okay, that's what I'm saying.
Absolutely.
That's right.
That's what he's doing.
Yes.
I think the even bigger point than the fact that this guy was an illegal immigrant is the fact that people are ignorant about what alcoholism is and how to treat it.
Oh, okay.
Good point.
Well, let's move on.
Here is Dr. Sol, and just to round out our race baiting segment, it's good.
We got a lot of our blood pumping a little bit in here a little bit.
Something happened on the show today.
Thank God.
Here is Dr. Alvita King, Alvida, I think that, Alveta, maybe you say it?
Patego Patada.
She's Martin Luther King's daughter, and she took some time out from her religious campaign of turning women seeking abortions into criminals to stop by Fox News, to do her best Juan Williams impression.
Nothing quite like the daughter of a civil rights leader who was gunned down by a white racist to stop by race baiting central to add them a little credibility.
I'm sure her gunned-down father would be proud.
Pay close attention to her use of the term abortion and who she references it to.
No judgment.
So she starts off, she's talking about the Trayvon Martin case, and she's upset with the liberals also.
She's upset that they're saying no justice, no peace.
And here's what she's upset about.
I'm asking that we remember that Trayvon Martin's family is grieving right now.
And in the midst of their grieving, they don't need a lot of anger and fear surrounding that.
And certainly Trayvon Martin...
That's what they really need, is someone to come on and pretend that the issue is civil rights leaders stirring up anger and not the fact that this guy still hasn't been arrested.
A young man cut down in his prime.
I would say because of my ministry, aborted late.
A late abortion.
Wow.
I don't know if you heard what she said just now.
I'm going to play it again.
Okay.
And by the way, I heard that Trayvon was actually just past his prime.
Okay.
Let's listen to it.
Prick up your ears.
With my ministry.
Because of her ministry, she says.
This is how she looks at Trayvon's death.
With my ministry, aborted late.
A late abortion.
She considers him a late abortion.
No, very late.
of her ministry.
And all I can say is...
I played for you again.
Ready?
Here we go.
And certainly, Trayvon Martin, a young man cut down in his prime.
I would say, because of my ministry, aborted late.
A late abortion.
Yes, that's what she would say because of her ministry.
And I would say, wow, that's got to be some really shitty ministry if it makes you refer to a young 17-year-old black kid as a late abortion.
He's a quantilian trimester.
Wow.
Wow.
Now his dreams are dead.
But also with Mr. Zimmerman, his life is turned upside down.
Two young men, one dead.
Of course we love our children.
We love all children.
America's youth are now an endangered species.
And so we must answer this nonviolently, not with rage and not with anger, not by playing the race card.
First of all, the daughter of Martin Luther King Jr. just used the race baiting term, play the race card, a term designed to trivialize and vilify civil rights issues.
Well, I would say if she can use the Jesus card, then people can use the race.
She's using her religious Jesus card in everything she's saying.
She's repeating the mantra of the racist by saying the race card.
I mean, that is the race card.
You mean you're talking about race in an appropriate manner when it involves race?
Okay.
Is she a conservative or something?
She's a late conservative.
You think?
Well, she's got a little bit too much Jesus in her.
I don't know how to do this.
You can tell, right?
It's the 700 club.
It's not even Fox.
Okay, she's got a little bit more to say.
Mother Teresa said if you can abort a baby, you can kill anyone.
Oh, well.
As Mother Teresa said, if you can abort a baby, you can kill anyone.
Hey, I'm Dr. Alvita King, and I'm incapable of seeing any issue outside the issue of abortion.
And oh, by the way, did I mention abortion makes Jesus cry?
She's no Martin Luther King.
I'll say that.
No, I think that was a misquote because I think Mother Teresa was just quoting the Godfather part too.
Michael Carrie says if history is not as anything, you can kill anyone.
Even if it's a late abortion, she often got Al Pacino and other people mixed up.
The race card, she says.
She says the race card.
I can't.
It's like she's saying, hey, Mike, this is a message to my dad in his grave.
Go yourself.
Because I'm on...
This is the same station that played an edited video of Shirley Sherrod to pretend that she...
And that's why they're so upset at Fox, too, is because of this whole Trayvon Martin case.
They're a little off their game because Andrew Breitbart isn't around to gather all the facts for them.
And let me just say this: the last point about this is if you don't think now is the good time to play the race card, well, when is a good time to play the race card?
So, on top of everything else offensive about this woman, she's a card player, too.
Mitt Romney called in.
I forgot what we talked about, but he called me.
Here we are.
The presumptive nominee, the GOP presidential candidate, Mitt Romney.
How you doing, Governor?
I couldn't be better.
Thanks for having me, Jimmy.
And let me say, I'm a huge fan of what you do with the podcasting and the jokes.
You may be interested to know that I'm friends with one of the guys who owns the internet.
That's very interesting, Mitt.
I wasn't aware anyone actually owned the internet.
Just the part that makes money.
So you shouldn't worry.
Ouch.
Did you just take a shot at me, buddy?
That was a joke, Jimmy.
Who says Mitt Romney doesn't have a sense of humor?
Everyone?
Why do you think you're still having trouble connecting with the average voter, Mitt?
I'm glad you asked, because tomorrow I'm releasing my 10-point plan to connect with a guy eating pancakes.
Tell me how that plan works, buddy.
Well, I can only tell you that it involves a major shake-up in my campaign as I officially make the switch to bootcut jeans.
It also involves something called a fist bump and me saying things like, catch you later.
You know, Mitt, the Republicans, they still have a huge problem with Latinos.
Huge.
How are you going to make that up?
Well, once Latinos get to know the real Mitt Romney, they'll come around.
Just ask my pool guy, my maids, or any one of my landscapers.
Yes.
Mitt, are you how well?
Are you actually friends with those people, your maids, pool guy, and landscapers?
Oh, sure, sure.
Miguel, the supervisor, even gets to use the indoor bathroom.
Wow, you really are in touch with the common man.
Do you still stand by your statement that the corporations are people?
Absolutely.
Because corporations are people.
More specifically, Chinese people.
Yeah.
See, that's part of the problem, Governor.
People are afraid that more and more American jobs are going to be outsourced.
Well, that's how free trade works.
We send jobs Americans used to do to China, and in turn, Americans can compete for Chinese jobs like growing rice and trading pelts.
Do you think distancing yourself from your record as governor of Massachusetts has hurt you in your home state?
Not at all.
I'm a total massole.
Nothing I love more than a bowl of chowder on a cold, rocky beach.
Go football.
And how are you doing in places like Texas?
They will learn to love me.
I should mention that one of my favorite breakfast courses is a Texas omelette.
At least once a week, I have them flown in.
Really?
Wow.
So now, women are fleeing the Republican Party in droves.
A lot of people are saying it's because of all the extremely conservative stances you've had to take in the primary.
That's one of the things I love about this great country.
You can say pretty much anything you want to whomever you're speaking to.
As we get to the general election, I can change my mind or simply deny that I said something.
Well, I don't really know if that's one of the things that you should love about this country.
I know, but that's not a good.
Listen, you know, the attention span of the media and the electorate being short is not really something that you should love.
Okay, listen.
Well, it served me well.
It sure has.
I've gotten away with some flip-flopping, let's be honest.
Yeah, like you've done with your stances on immigration, abortion, gay rights, and healthcare, right?
It's called pivoting.
I simply nod, smirk, and start talking about the free market and the founder.
But that's exactly why people are calling you an Etcha sketch candidate.
You don't understand that, Mitt?
Oh, that's absurd, Jimmy.
The Etcha sketch is red with white knobs.
But what I do like about the Etcha sketch is that it was able to succeed in a free economy, just like the way our founders intended.
I see what you did there.
That's pretty smooth.
Oh, if you think that's smooth, wait till you hear me deny I said everything I've just told you.
I look forward to it.
Thanks for your time, Governor.
My pleasure, Jimmy.
Catch you later.
Okay, that was the governor, Mitt Romney, calling in and let us know what's happening.
We have time for the rant now.
Do you have your rant?
Anybody have a rant on them?
Augusta Golf Club, Augusta National Golf Club, which hosts the Masters, has a history of being a real old boy network and a place where heads of business really get a lot of stuff done, and they don't have a female member.
Every year, IBM is the main sponsor of the Masters, and they have a tradition of giving the CEO of IBM a membership to Augusta.
Well, IBM's CEO this year is a woman, and they have not done anything yet.
Normally, that chairman is given a membership before the Masters starts for that year, and the Masters has started, and they haven't done anything.
I don't know if they're busy holding a candlelight vigil for George Zimmerman.
Maybe they're going to honor his memory by letting all the caddies drink from any fountain they want.
That's my rant.
Very nice.
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