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Dec. 7, 2020 - The Truth Central - Dr. Jerome Corsi
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Dr. Corsi SPECIAL BROADCAST: Is A Revolution Inevitable?
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♪♪♪ So, Dr. Corsi, I see that we have Larry Klayman with us.
Do you think this is going to be a revolution?
It's going to be a very interesting discussion.
That's what we're going to discuss.
This is Dr. Jerome Corsi, my producer, Craig, and Larry Klayman, attorney Larry Klayman, my attorney, Larry Klayman, is here to join us for the next, we'll probably go maybe a half an hour, a little bit longer, and what we're going to discuss today is December 7th, 2020 Pearl Harbor Day, and we're exactly one week from the meeting of the Electoral College to vote for president, and there's a lot of controversy in the next week that's playing out.
Larry, I want to start with, of course, Craig, show Larry's book, Revolution.
We're going to be talking about Larry's book here today.
And also, I want to talk about the court filing I've done this morning.
So, welcome, Larry.
Welcome.
Actually, 43 years today, Jerry, I became a lawyer.
Is that right?
December 7, 1977.
It must have been a big day for you.
Pearl Harbor Day, it was quite perfect.
Well, you've caused a lot of trouble since then, so I guess it makes sense.
Larry, I filed this morning.
Of course, as my attorney, you were watching over it, but I did this myself as not a lawyer to the Supreme Court.
I filed Corsi v. Biden, and I'm really saying that there is a Supreme Court issue here.
14th Amendment, equal rights to vote, which were compromised by any number of things in this election, the fraud, what the different states did, what was done in here, New Jersey.
I've had quite, I think, some pretty good arguments as to why this should be heard.
And I think, Larry, even though I don't expect it to get a lot of press, the mainstream media won't want to cover it at all.
I think it will make an impact with Judge Alito at the Supreme Court.
And I suspect my filing will be discussed and make an impact on the legal impact of this whole issue going to the Supreme Court.
I'm trying to push the envelope.
There's the outside chance I might get certiorari and it might be heard, but what do you assess what I've done this morning, Larry?
What's your thoughts on it?
I think it's very important, Jerry.
I mean, I reviewed the letter.
We had my staff filed it on your behalf as a pro se litigant, because lawyers, when they file things, have to abide by certain other strictures and formalities and things like that.
But you're a citizen.
You deserve to be heard.
And if and when this case gets up to the Supreme Court, I'm sure that your arguments will be considered.
They're very, very important arguments.
And the American people deserve to have the Supreme Court look at this thing.
You know, the Supreme Court is the supervisory court of all the lower courts.
So they have the ability, as lawyers say, sua sponte, to take a matter up on their own.
They're in a supervisory capacity.
And when those lower courts have failed to do their job, they have a duty themselves to do the job for the American people.
And if they don't do it, of course, we know that we are indeed in a revolutionary state, because the left has taken this country over through a fraudulent election, in all likelihood.
The president needs to lay out More evidence, he's laid out some really good evidence, and that evidence should be considered by the Supreme Court.
I've maintained, as some others have as well, I think it was one of the first, the President should take control of the situation.
He should freeze things.
He should declare, it sounds radical, but it's not, martial law.
There's been a takeover of this government, and he should then have a new election.
In other words, set it up so there's safeguards, so we know exactly who won.
That's the bottom line.
But what you've done is important because you're putting it in front of the Supreme Court and you're putting it in front of Sam Alito, who is your patron saint on the Supreme Court coming from New Jersey.
And hopefully he'll grab this.
And he's shown some sympathy in the past with regard to some of the arguments that the president has made.
And Larry, Alito has also now issued an order that on this Pennsylvania case, where the issue is that he's, prior to the election, sequestered the Votes that came into Pennsylvania time-stamped after November 3rd and were yet counted for three days, which of course is not in the Pennsylvania Constitution.
It was not a law passed by the Pennsylvania state legislature, so that seems to be a violation of Article 2, where the state legislature is in charge of making the rules for the presidential election in each state.
And that Justice Alito has segregated these seems to think they could be excluded And he's extended until tomorrow, I believe, for the submission of briefs.
And of course, under the Safe Harbor Act, all controversies regarding the election are supposed to be wrapped up by the 8th, and there's no chance that... He's basically saying this is a Deadline imposed by statute, not by the Constitution tomorrow for settling all these disputes.
So he's kind of signaling these disputes are going to go on for a while and he may be favorable to ruling that the Pennsylvania action was unconstitutional and those votes have to be excluded.
Do you think that's a possibility?
I think what he's going to do, I think that is a possibility, but if I was in their shoes at the Supreme Court, rather than the President having a clear martial law, I would issue an injunction right now, preliminary injunction, freezing everything that the states are doing until they can hear the legal issues involved.
Now, the Supreme Court is not going to ever declare Trump the winner.
But what it can do is order a new election, kind of like what appellates do when appellate courts do if they find out that the lower court has developed a incorrect record, they can send it back to the lower court to correct it.
And that's what I believe the Supreme Court, if indeed it takes anything up at all, will do.
They'll say, we're preliminarily enjoining going forward here, they're going to set a time frame and set up a date for a new election with safeguards.
Larry, you know, I'm not sure, I'm not a lawyer, and so it's just my political science opinion, you know, having studied constitutional law, but the, I don't know that a new election is the remedy in Article 2.
I mean, I think the remedy in Article 2 in the election is this messed up, is simply to say, well, we're going to forget about having another election.
We're going to forget about this election.
We're just going to settle this directly in Congress, let Congress pick president and vice president.
I mean, that's also a remedy where the court could move in that direction.
Well, at that point, Jerry, and this is what we're talking about, at that point you have A major counter-revolution.
At that point, you're going to have bloodshed.
And that's why the Supreme Court, I think, is unlikely to do that.
These radical leftists of every stripe, radical Muslims, radicals on the Jewish left, Marxists, as you know, I'm Jewish, Christian, so I don't mean that in an anti-Semitic way.
Most Jewish people are not that way.
Radical feminists, radical LGBQs, radical atheists.
They'll be in the streets, looting, burning, maiming, and killing at that point.
They want to do it anyway.
They've just kind of taken the time out because they think they've won.
But it's going to happen.
And this is why the American people need to rise up.
Every branch of our government is corrupt.
The deep state's corrupt.
You can see it.
You know, Fox News, Chris Wallace had John Brennan on yesterday.
Can you believe that?
Somebody who surveilled the president illegally, as well as yours truly, and you?
We have a case that's still going forward on that.
And you've got The Congress, which we know is a bunch of clowns and court jesters who basically are stuffing money into their pockets.
And then, of course, you have the judges who are bought and paid for.
They got their jobs through political patronage, campaign contributions, no different than the judges on the court of King James, you know, back in England in 1776.
So we have a total breakdown.
And that's what my book is about.
It takes a revolution, is that we, the American people, need to rise up.
We need to do it for ourselves.
Jerry, you're making A valiant attempt to get the Supreme Court to pay attention to what's going on.
And with God's grace, perhaps that will happen.
But all of these things are leading, regrettably, in my hope, a peaceful and legal revolution.
But if Biden and Harris are turned out, you're going to have a violent revolution on the left.
And we better be prepared with our Second Amendment rights.
They'll be coming for your house, your home, your family, you name it.
And one other point.
We talked about this before the show.
The be-all and end-all is not the election in Georgia.
It's that suppose the Republicans win two seats there or one seat and keep so-called control of the Senate.
It's that Mitch McConnell is two-faced political hack.
I mean, that's what he is, unfortunately.
And the American people cannot depend on that to stop this onslaught of a leftist takeover of this country.
And I believe this is sounding very conspiratorial.
It could be a John Grisham novel.
Remember Pelican Brief?
Don't be surprised if one or two Republican senators, if the Republicans succeed in keeping one or two seats in Georgia, somehow turn up dead.
I mean, unfortunately, we saw 80 people perish during the Clinton administration.
We know how it works.
And John Grisham, who's a leftist, by the way, he's related to Bill Clinton, wrote a book about it called The Pelican Brief, where a Supreme Court justice was killed.
Not far-fetched, and I pray that that will not happen.
And I don't want anybody to resort to violence and neither do you.
But these leftists, they see, they smell blood.
They think they can take this country over and relegate us to, in effect, slavery.
In effect.
And once they take it over, they're never going to want to give it back.
And that's what the stakes are right now.
And that's what I write about in my book.
It takes a revolution.
Forget the scandal industry that you can get at amazon.com and elsewhere.
Well, you're basically kind of keying off of Hillary Clinton's, it takes a village.
So you're saying it takes a revolution to, you could well be right, Larry.
I mean, there's no, when you see what's going on with Antifa, and I've written about this, the, everything, you know, the Russian collusion, well, that fails.
They shift into Ukraine.
That's, that fails with the Senate impeachment trial.
Then we get the COVID lockdowns, which are still continuing.
I think they, Democratic governors are proving to themselves that they can keep everybody locked up in their homes, wearing masks.
Make any kind of compliance they want based on it's good for you to comply.
And now we've got, you know, the Antifa and Black Lives Matter still in the streets and the election being basically stolen by vote fraud that's apparent.
If they don't win in these methods, Then what you're saying, Larry, is the next thing they're going to do is a violent revolution in the streets.
They'll start killing people, attacking people.
We'll have actually a leftist violence that we'll have to contend with.
I mean, I guess that's the way the color revolutions were done in, you know, through the Arab Spring and Ukraine and other countries.
I mean, what do you think, if a revolution like, if the violence starts in the streets, Why does that produce a... Why do people suddenly acquiesce and decide they're going to go to a communist state?
Why wouldn't they just get in the streets and fight it?
Well, I think they will if pushed, you see.
And look at what's happening in California and some other states in particular right now.
You even have sheriffs defying the orders of these governors and these mayors.
They're saying, basically, excuse the French, F you, we're not going to follow your orders.
And if they're going that far, then that's a signal.
To the rest of the country who believes in freedom and the vision of our founding fathers, that they have to stand up too.
And that may be the silver lining that God has in mind if the Republicans lose Georgia and there's a total takeover.
It will cause people on our side, conservatives, libertarians, people of faith to rise up and not just sit back on the couch and watch Sean Hannity on Fox News and be entertained.
And that's what I've been saying.
That's the subtitle of my book.
It takes a revolution to forget the scandal industry.
Forget about these people that are purveying for their own benefit each night, false hope.
We've seen the false hope with regard to Lohard Bill, the Attorney General Barr, John Durham up there.
I mean, he knows, the Attorney General knows that Durham's report, even if there was one, would go right into the trash in the Biden administration.
It'll go nowhere.
This was just a placebo to present the false image that he's doing something.
The American people are starting to see that, and that's what I spent my time doing in my book, It Takes a Revolution to Forget the Scandal Industry.
I'm going through historically—I'm not as scholarly as you, Jerry—but I'll go through historically what has happened in all three branches of government, how people believe that the CIA killed Kennedy, the Bay of Pigs that sell out there, the Gulf of Tonkin lies by Lyndon Johnson that got us into a war with 55 For 56,000 dead and hundreds of thousands maimed that I almost went to, but for Nixon ending the draft the year I graduated from Duke.
And on and on and on, is that the one thing that the left and the right can agree on today is that we don't believe a word the government says.
If they're moving their mouth, that's what they say about lawyers.
They're lying.
And that's the reality.
So you are doing a valiant thing in going in front of the Supreme Court, sticking your neck out for the American people.
Your arguments are valid.
They should be accepted.
The Supreme Court should do its job and take these cases without having to be asked from the lower courts because it's apparent.
90% of the judges who've made these rulings are political hacks.
And that's what Thomas Jefferson said, just to wrap it up, is that Jefferson said that, and he was against Article 3 of the Constitution, he said, we cannot have federal judges who are elected for life and unaccountable to the people because they are not elected.
They will become despots, they'll become tyrants.
Every 20 years or so, we're going to have to fight another revolution.
And he added, With the blood of patriots, what's a few thousand dead to preserve the tree of liberty?
He didn't want to see people die, but he was warning, nor do I, nor do you, but he was warning what was going to happen if the people did not take charge of their own fate.
And Laura, you've seen this judicial tyranny up close.
I mean, let's just go to the Bundy case.
The Bundy case ends up with a judge who is put in place to essentially trash you and rule the Bundys guilty, and you presented such a strong case of, you know, the government complicity, the government lying, that even this judge, your name was Navarro, wasn't it?
Yeah, an Obama appointee, and it was only when By the grace of God, we found my clients, particularly Ryan Bundy, that exculpatory evidence had been hidden, that there were false claims being made to the judge that she was lied to, that FBI and Bureau of Land Management agents were caught under oath not telling the truth, and then a whistleblower came forward by the name of Larry Wooten at the very end.
Never made its way into the record, but it was out there, where there was a kill list on the heads of the Bundys with Targets on the walls of the BLM.
Documents were suppressed.
He was retaliated against by the U.S.
attorney.
Stephen Maire, the assistant U.S.
attorney that was handling this case, told to be quiet and cover it up.
And even the Ninth Circuit affirmed what Navarro then had to do to save her own skin because she was going down with the ship.
She had violated every constitutional right of our clients.
But here's the kicker, jury.
After this indictment was dismissed, By a hack Obama judge put in place with the recommendation of perhaps the most dishonest senator of our time, Harry Reid, who it was reported wanted to take the land away from the Bundys and sell it to the Chinese, probably with kickbacks.
I reported on that.
He did.
He wanted to get a solar plant out there that the Chinese were going to build.
Then who took the appeal of that?
The Trump Justice Department.
The president said a week ago he's not even in control of his own Justice Department.
Can you believe that?
The Trump Justice Department wanted to put the Bundys away for life.
And that was Bill Barr.
I mean, Judge Navarro, who is not your friend, Larry, she did not want, I mean, it must have been something to sit in that court and watch her because she did not want you to win.
And yet the case you presented was, so the government corruption in framing the Bundys and violating all the procedures of Not sharing with them exculpatory information and evidence, essentially entrapping them, lying, imprisoning them.
I mean, she had to dismiss the case.
But yet, as you say, at the same time, even Barr, he wanted to pick it up again.
I wrote to him as I did to Sessions.
I actually talked to Sessions on the phone when he first became Attorney General.
Yes, I'll look into this, Larry.
But I'll have to have the prosecutors present at the same time.
I said, fine, let's lay it all out on the table.
This is a political prosecution.
And it was largely started because Kleiman, my client, is a really good man.
He's not a racist.
But he said, My family was treated like the Negro in the old South.
Obama took offense to the use of the word Negro, even made reference to it at a White House Correspondents' Dinner.
This was retaliation.
And I can tell you, I visited Clyburn over 30 times in Pahrump Federal Prison, maximum security prison, where he was in solitary for a while.
And the African-American inmates and the prison guards who were blacks said, you know, he's a great man.
We love Clyburn, okay?
So this is what we were dealing with here.
And it's unbelievable.
And I can tell you, now that Biden, if he becomes president with Kamala Harris, the BLM will be back at their doorstep again.
So we have to be prepared for that.
It's amazing.
I mean, the federal judiciary, and you're thinking that's really going to be A political decision to bring this case to of the current election before the Supreme Court.
I have a hunch that they're going to take it, Larry.
Not necessarily my case, but they're going to take the case.
And of course, that's going to be predicated on Donald Trump actually filing the case.
But the point I'm trying to make is that they're not enthusiastic to take the case at all.
And yet I would think that with this much of the fraud and everything that's been proven by Sidney Powell and Rudy Giuliani, I mean, this is a crime that was committed in the open, you know, with the balance being the 12th, you know, the 11th hour, they stop and the balance all of a sudden they appear.
It should be a clear case that You know, this is a fraudulent election and we're not going to rely on this.
And yet, we're going to go through this period of time under the media presumption, the mockingbird CIA-influenced media, that of course Biden wins and it's Trump that's being unreasonable not to acquiesce to the vote of the people.
Well, the vote of the people is obviously fraudulent.
And now we have information the computer system, you know, this US 305 military intelligence agent who gave the deposition last week showing that the computer system ties into Iran, the Dominion system ties into China, China owns patents, they have backdoors in which they could actually interface with the data, Iran and China, and yet all of this I think is what should mean we're at war with China and Iran, they are interfering in our election to that extent, but yet the The presumption to keep the deep state in power, even when they failed this badly in an election, is overwhelming.
Well, it is.
And you have to understand the mentality.
You do understand it because you've lived it.
In fact, I talk about that in my book.
I know I'm plugging it a little bit, but people need to read it.
It takes a revolution.
No, go ahead.
I want people to read this book.
It's an important book.
What's the mentality of Washington?
Everybody's part of this club.
You know, whether you're Democrat or Republican or whatever, you're part of this elite club.
You're making money hand over fist.
There's never been a recession in Washington, D.C.
in modern history.
Continuing to build, getting bigger and bigger and bigger.
No one wants to stick their neck out.
They're quite fat and happy.
In the end, it becomes a dog and pony show, where these politicians go on TV, Raise money, whether it's Fox News or MSNBC or CNN, and it's not for real.
It's for show and it's not for dope.
And consequently, they're hesitant to stick their neck out because they become pariahs in their little Washington swamp.
And what I've been saying is, you know, our Declaration of Independence You gotta read it.
Read it before you read my book, It Takes a Revolution, is that when the government, so-called government, breaks away from the people, breaks the bonds with the people, is the people have a God-given right and duty to alter or abolish that form of government and to form another government by and for the people.
We have that right.
Now, short of that right, we're trying to preserve A new concept within the current system.
But that may not be possible.
And in the end, I don't believe it will be possible.
Because it is so corrupt right now, so endemically corrupt in Washington on both sides of the aisle, Democrat and Republican.
Of course, the Democrats are evil.
They're in a different league, frankly.
Devil smart.
The American people are going to ultimately have no choice.
And you're starting to see that with people in California and the other states out there, restaurant owners, starting with that, how they've been destroyed, how Gavin Newsom and Garcetti could care less who they destroy as they set up a movie studio right next to a restaurant that's put out of business, that kind of thing.
This is even touching the left.
In Beverly Hills, for instance, you know, they want to go to restaurants.
But you've got these leftists on their lawn saying, eat the rich.
So, you may even see some people on the left convert over.
I have friends who I know in California who have become very pro-Trump, that were formerly leftist, because they see the tyranny that's going on.
Well, Larry, when you're saying it takes a revolution, you're really saying that, you know, it's the conservatives, those who care to preserve God, the country, the values, that we've gone so far from the Constitution in terms of this And all the money in Washington.
I mean, you know, you get a job in the Department of Justice and you come out and you get a job in one of these elite Washington law firms, make deals with the Department of Justice because you know the inside and you work it for your clients, even sell out your clients if there's more money to be made on it.
That's what happened to General Flynn with, I believe, Covington and Burling.
Exactly.
You know, I think Sidney Powell did a very good job of describing all that.
And I think it's one of the reasons she got General Flynn's indictment dropped.
But still, Judge, General Flynn's gotten a pardon for the president and still Judge Emmett Sullivan is saying, well, he's not yet ready to give up.
He still thinks he can sentence.
Flynn on what?
There's not even a criminal charge.
How can you sentence someone when there's no criminal charge?
Larry?
Has he said that recently?
I didn't catch that.
He just said that over the weekend.
Okay.
Well, he wants to do, it'll be of no force in effect, but he wants to destroy General Flynn's reputation forever.
It's vindictive.
And at one time, Sullivan was a fairly rational human being, but with the mood in Washington these days, with the effort to destroy conservatives and people of
faith and libertarians, it's out of control. And it doesn't matter whether it's Congress or the
courts or bar associations, they're trying to eliminate conservative lawyers like me,
you know, I fight back, that's not going to happen. But it's a full court press to
destroy any opposition to their leftist Bolshevik takeover of this country, they
have to destroy everybody.
You were also involved with Sheriff Arpaio when he was, the judges, in this case, were trying to,
really it was a misdemeanor conviction over his not somehow or other violating the terms of Tom
Perez's and the Justice Department's order on this to stop this practice of stopping cars to
You know, they said he was trying to harass Latinos.
And by the way, Perez is a radical Marxist La Raza who is now heading the Democratic National Party.
He's as radical as they are.
I mean, I know Arpaio.
I worked with Arpaio extensively on the birth certificate issue with Obama.
And Arpaio is a very brave man on his own.
Very brave.
Great man like you are, Jerry.
He stands for what he believes is right.
He does.
And he's a man of principle.
He doesn't have anything.
You go into his office, he's got things from Obama.
Obama was a celebrity.
The two of them were together.
But when it comes down to, he's trying as a law enforcement officer to enforce the law.
And Perez was trying to say, don't enforce the law when it comes to Hispanics.
And yet then Arpaio gets charged with a misdemeanor criminal convention, and they want to put him in prison for it.
And I mean, talk about defending Arpaio in this case.
What was that all about?
Let me give you, it's in the book several times.
Is that, interestingly enough, when Opaio got his pardon, the Democrats, Gerald Nadler and company, filed a brief at the Ninth Circuit, because he was pardoned, and he's from Arizona, so it goes to the Ninth Circuit, the leftist Ninth Circuit, is that they file a brief that say the pardon should be nullified.
Therefore, let's send him to prison, right?
Who filed one of the briefs?
A communist who actually sat on a hearing committee with the DC bar, Michael Tiger.
There's pictures of him with Castro and letters, thank you letters.
He was fired by Justice William Brennan when he was a law clerk for his ties to communists.
This guy sits on a hearing committee with me where he recommends a suspension of 33 months, okay?
Now I've appealed that and I'm confident of winning.
But who is Michael Tiger's son?
John Tiger, the judge on the ninth circuit, who's the one who blocked, chip off the old block, blocked the president's asylum policy.
You see how it all fits in?
It's the left.
It's, it's, they're all, the left does not, I mean, and these judges are not ruling according to the constitution.
They're not, they're basically making up their own law as they go along and trying to interpret it, say this statute or this precedent, But I mean, when it came down to Arpaio, and I played a role in helping him to get that pardon, in terms of arguing this to President Trump, and Roger Stone was very involved in it as well.
But I knew the president was considering it.
I was actually on an airplane when I landed.
I heard that he got the pardon.
And of course, that was an immediate joyful moment for me, because I thought this was completely Harassment, which it was.
They wanted not only to destroy his political career, but to punish him with a criminal conviction.
This was a misdemeanor.
They wanted to imprison him.
I mean, you know, Larry, defending him is the same as defending the Bundys.
I mean, you're fighting This entire corrupt federal judiciary, which is only a reflection of the swamp and the interests the swamp's trying to protect.
I mean... Right, and in my book, you know, the president, well-intentioned, didn't know who he appointed to the bench.
He brags about appointing 300 judges.
I've been in front of eight or nine of them so far.
They all lack courage, the ones I've been in front of.
They're establishment preachers that were proposed by the so-called Federalist Society, Leonard Leo, Washington lobbyists.
And he doesn't know who he appointed.
And these people are not gonna stick their neck out even for their own president.
In fact, many of them have ruled against him already in this election fight.
His own judges have ruled against him.
So they're in it for themselves.
You know, lawyers and judges have one thing in common.
99.9% are in it for themselves.
They'll never, there's an old expression, don't go to jail with your clients, so to speak.
You know, you and I are two of the few people that will stick our neck out Based on what we believe in.
And you certainly did with Mueller.
And, you know, you testified in front of a citizen's grand jury.
We indicted Mueller.
We're going to try and win this COVID thing.
Relaxes a little bit.
And you're courageous.
But these people aren't courageous.
They put their own interests ahead of the country.
And it's money.
It's money for lawyers.
And for judges, it's their security.
It's the fact that they're part of this elite group that gets to tell everybody else what they can do and what they can't do.
When we brought my case, Larry, you brought my case to the, I sued Mueller and the others wanted to find out how much they had actually surveilled me with the FISA surveillance or with the, you know, backdoor to getting the NSA documents because they had everything about me.
They could even tell the keystrokes.
This is the Mueller prosecutors.
When I was writing an article and Zelensky was, you know, they were, they were out to get their story.
You know, if I could affirm their narrative, which was that I had contact with Assange and gave it to Stone, which I did not do, so I couldn't give them what they wanted, then they turn vicious.
And then they're going to punish you, you know, threaten to charge you with lying, and then I was going to get 35 years sentences, and they're going to indict me in a Washington court, which would hate me for obstruction of justice, put me in prison the rest of my life.
I mean, this is suborning perjury.
They're trying to frighten you.
into lying before a federal judge to make their case.
Well, I wouldn't do that.
I wouldn't stand before God and swear to something I hadn't done.
But then we got, we, our, our lawsuit came before this Amy Jackson Berman.
It was Ellen E. Siegel Duvall.
Same thing.
Same type judge.
Yeah.
And we were, you know, we were, you were there.
We were, Monica was there, my wife, who you were arguing in front of them.
And the, The government attorneys were also almost like fumbling.
They hardly even made a coherent argument.
Rudy Giuliani, they were like the public defender in My Cousin Vinny.
Right.
Stuttering.
They were about that effective.
And yet, Berman Jackson was going to have none of it.
She'd made up her mind before she came in.
She acted irritated through the whole hearing.
Waste of her time.
And she was not going to give anyone on the right the time of day.
To find out whether or not the NSA or the Justice Department had infringed upon my rights by doing all the electronic surveillance that they had done in order to make their case against Donald Trump.
And there was, what could you do to budger?
I mean, we appealed the case.
Well, ultimately, I think we're now going to appeal it to the Supreme Court.
But even then, you know, who knows whether they'd even care to hear it because again, we're challenging the establishment of the law enforcement system, which is not working for the American people.
They've got their own globalist ambitions here.
They're going to put them in place.
And if you oppose it, you're not going to get anywhere at law, even if you're right.
Well, that's right.
But you know, here's what we did, which was we were recommending that the president do is that we push back.
Okay.
We put them at some risk.
There was always some chance that we might win, By the fact that you pushed back, it was kind of, as I said before, like the club that you used to put in your car, you know, to keep somebody from stealing your car.
In other words, it became too difficult to steal Jerry Corsi's car.
So let's go to somebody else's car, and let's do that.
So we dissuaded them from proceeding with you by taking the offense rather than the defense.
And they knew the courage of your convictions, and that's the difference.
And I love General Flynn, too.
His brother, Joe, they're good people.
But he should never have played out, even if Covington and Burling gave him that advice.
And he put himself in a box.
And the moral to the story is you stand up for what you believe in, no matter what.
And you did.
Well, I mean, I don't want to compare myself and Judge General Flynn.
I try not to do that.
General Flynn, of course, I greatly admire for his courage and he's set all the years of service.
But the point you're making is, with this pressure put on you, the Justice Department just says, you know, just this one little count, it'll all go away.
Of course, then the moment you plead, they own you.
Now you're a criminal.
And then they browbeated you.
I put that in my book, too.
There's a lot about you in our case in the book.
It takes a revolution.
You know, they disparage your faith.
They disparage your research with the birth certificate.
And when that didn't work, they brought in Jeanne Rhee, one of the lawyers in the see-through blouse, hoping that that would influence you.
And as I say in the book, you weren't impressed with her legal assets.
Well, I noticed that.
I was glad you made that comment, but I usually refrain from discussing that.
At any rate, the point is, the two attorneys I had, David Gray Very brilliant guy.
And David had not been around Washington like Larry had.
So as Larry came into the case, I had, you know, David was technically, but also David was letting him think, well, I can work with Jerry and we're basically finding out what the prosecution was thinking.
But Larry came in and made it clear that there was going to be repercussions here and that they better back off.
And including when they brought my stepson in, Yeah, I mean, we called their bluff.
on a computer for me, of course, that computer had nothing.
It was an old computer that had nothing on it at all.
And I had a backup for it, a complete system, which they didn't know at the time.
And Larry, you were in fighting, say, they wanted to postpone him coming to the grand jury.
You say, no, we're scheduled here.
We'll go in the grand jury now.
You rearrange your schedule.
And they did, didn't they, Larry?
Yeah, I mean, we called their bluff.
And, you know, things worked out, obviously.
But the story is, the moral of the story is the best defense is a good offense.
And the President should remember that going forward, too, because they're out to kill him actually and legally.
I mean, I fear for the President.
I hope his Secret Service protection continues to be good, because they don't want him around on Twitter or, you know, on whatever in the next four years.
They certainly don't want him to buy a network, which I hope he does and continues to make the case for the American people and the country.
Well, Larry, we want to thank you for joining us again today.
It's been really great.
Craig, do you have any final comments before we wrap up?
Yeah, and bottom line is it's all coming together and anybody with eyes to see and ears to hear is going to realize that it's all been a sham, everything that the mainstream media is covering up and not letting you know is all coming out now and I don't think they can keep it under wraps anymore.
More people are being, whatever you want to call it, red-pilled on a daily basis and I think the American people are going to support any action to keep President Trump as President of the United States.
Larry, thank you very much for joining us.
Craig, show the book one more time.
I really encourage people to read Larry's book, It Takes a Revolution.
I think it's an important book.
It's well written.
When you get into it, it's going to be fascinating.
The stories are great.
And of course, since I'm in it, Larry, I think it's, I especially like it.
You did a great job covering my involvements with the case and I really thank you for writing this book, Larry.
You've done us all a great service.
I'm privileged to have you as a friend and as a client, Jerry.
Well, God bless you, Larry.
And in the end, God always wins and he'll win with your case too.
This is Jerome Corsi.
I've got to sign off.
The next interview is coming in, Larry.
We'll catch you later.
God bless.
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