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Jan. 2, 2026 - Jim Bakker Show
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The Jim Bakker Show with Micah van Huss and Josh Davis
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Judges and Believers 00:13:00
Welcome to the Jim Baker Family Show.
Our special guests today are Micah Van Hus and Pastor Josh Davis.
Our co-host today is Reverend Mondo de la Vega.
And now, here is your host, Pastor Ricky Baker.
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And there's subject matters that our guests talk about that I wish they can talk about it some more due to the program and the length of this program and all the interrupting that I do.
And the FCC laws.
Exactly.
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We've been canceled so many times at this point, I don't care.
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Yeah.
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And friends, I guarantee you, you're going to love it.
But we have today with us some friends from Southwest Radio Ministries.
I want to say thank you guys.
I shake your hand.
You're a little too far away from me.
We got Mondo.
I tried it one time and I slipped.
So I'm the second person Mondo's got you over there.
So tell us about your guys' connection.
We've done a show with both of you now.
If you haven't watched it, go back on video and demand the PTL app and watch these two shows with Micah Van Hus and Pastor Josh Davis.
Excuse me, last year.
I didn't call you pastor.
Pastor Josh Davis, tell me how you guys are connected other than Southwest Radio Ministries.
So we actually share an office.
We work, we sit in there and work.
I work on the mysteries of God's universe and Josh is one of our staff evangelists.
Yeah, me and Micah enjoy bantering ideas back and forth, the kinds of things that he writes about.
And I'm studying a lot with Bible prophecy.
And so in our office, we are laser focused on what we're doing.
But at the same time, we get to have some very interesting discussions about God's mysterious word.
Mondo, we kind of share an office.
We're a couple doors down from it.
Would you say we're laser-focused all the time or what?
Why is he laughing?
Yes.
I don't think.
I think maybe I noticed a trend, though.
Mondo can't come to my office, and I can't go to Mondo's office because we're never serious in the office.
You have to go to like the conference room or something.
Something has, you know, it's very serious.
Oh, you got to meet me in the conference room.
Yeah, you know.
Uh-oh.
That's how you know it's about to go down.
That's right.
Yeah.
Ministry is such a heavy arena to be in.
And so if you don't have those lighthearted moments, it really just becomes so overwhelming.
The question I have, though, is, do you guys ever look at each other's writings and question each other's writings?
So I don't know that we've come to that point, though.
I do bounce a lot off of Josh.
Again, I like to study the weird stuff.
And so a mystery is a mystery by definition because it doesn't have a readily available answer.
So I'm always saying, hey, Josh, is this heretical?
Yeah.
And so he's always happy to bounce off.
I've never had a problem with anything, Josh writes.
And well, he doesn't have to say the same thing about me.
Your perspective.
We try to keep the heresies to a minimum.
Accidental heresy.
What I appreciate about Micah is he's willing to go where the evidence leads, but he's not willing to cross the boundary of clear scriptural authority.
There's theories I want to pursue, and you pursue theories to find out if they're even wrong.
And I pursue a number of theories that I can't say.
I work for Southwest Radio Ministries, but Josh and I get to hear all the weird stuff.
I'm like, does scripture preclude this?
He's like, yes, it does, or no, it doesn't.
And so, yeah, absolutely.
We can talk about some weird stuff that you just don't ever hear on TV or anything.
Well, it's good.
Glad to know.
You know, it's good.
It's iron-sharpening iron that you can bounce ideas off of each other, writings off each other.
I think it's an incredible thing.
Men need other men that they can do that.
Women need other women that they can bounce ideas off of.
And the way we can continue to grow each and every day.
I want to ask you guys an off-the-wall question because we do that here on the Jim Baker family show.
If you're watching this, you're pretty used to this.
So New York just elected a very interesting mayor.
I think one thing that I can touch on right now is what we were just talking about, the issue of authority.
When God's word and God himself is not your authority, then anything and everything can come in to fill that void.
And I think this is ground zero for the cultural war that we're fighting in our world today.
Who is the authority?
We've got a whole generation of people who say, I'm the authority over my life.
I get to decide my gender.
I get to decide my identity.
I get to decide everything about who I am and what I want to be.
And when you grow up in a world like that, God is not your authority.
And so, as I said, anything and everything can come in.
But we also see a great move toward socialism and communism, especially among young people in the United States of America.
And we are moving in that direction.
They think that it's cool again.
They think they don't really understand the problems that are associated with these kinds of systems.
Yeah, I actually saw a sign they were doing the no-kings protest.
You guys know what I'm talking about?
Different cities around here.
There's actually a few in this area, which I was kind of shocked by.
It's really small turnouts, but it is what it is, you know.
But there is one that says communism is cool.
That was a sign somebody was holding.
I thought, you've never looked into it, have you?
Right.
You've never realized it's failed.
Socialism, you know, socialism is greater.
We need to be a socialist democracy.
I think one sign said somebody's held it.
And I thought, I guarantee if I walked up and asked them what that meant for the actual people, they wouldn't be able to tell me.
Go find, I said, if you love socialism so much, please go find a socialist country, move there, live there for a couple of years, and tell me how much you love it.
So I want to ask you this question, Micah.
Given that, you know, democratic socialists are typically the minority and they're representing what they consider is the minority, how do we not allow this in the United States of America?
Because obviously, that's crazy that he got voted down.
We need to teach our children the truth of God's word, the truth of what God says about Israel.
But we as a nation, we have been prosperous for so long.
Prosperity breeds laziness.
And we have been prosperous.
Our kids, my generation, Generation X and other generations, I've grown up in the society where every need is met.
And then when you break it down to your personal life, when everything's going just great and fine, you tend to pray less, read your Bible less, that's the tendency you want to do.
And we veer away from the truth.
We veer away from God.
And we as a nation have done that.
We've been prosperous for so long that we've lost focus of what's important.
And when society breaks down eventually to every man doing what's right in his own eyes, society breaks down into barbarism.
And so we're starting to see people losing focus of what the World War II veterans fought for, the World War I veterans that they fought for and gave their lives for against communism.
And it's a system that will destroy.
I believe that we have come to a judges type of moment that says everyone did what was right in their own eyes.
And I think that's a very dangerous moment to live in because people, two things are happening.
Leaders are disappearing because we're making them disappear.
Cancel culture as a way to cancel leadership, no matter if it's religious, business, whatever you talk about.
And number two, we have a Barabbas moment where people are demanding who they want.
And when we get to that point, how dangerous is it for people to demand what they want, according to Judges, when everyone seems to think they have the right, everyone seems to know they have the right, and social media is making them to have a right because now they have a loud microphone that is speaking all over the world.
So from the two of you, what does this moment look like for us then?
Yeah, I think you hit on a very key point.
And as you were saying, Judges, that's what was in my mind as well.
The book of Judges.
There is a real cycle in the book of Judges where God is dealing with the nation of Israel.
And it starts out that God brings blessing.
And it goes back to the point that Micah was making just a few minutes ago.
And the people become lazy, as Michael was saying.
And during that time, they grow cold in their fervor with the Lord.
And God allows them to be taken over by another country.
And they go into captivity for a number of years, perhaps, depending on who it is.
And then they're in captivity.
And then God raises up a deliverer.
God raises up a judge who brings them out of that captivity.
They return to the Lord.
But eventually that cycle happens over and over and over again, all throughout the book of Judges.
But it's not just a circular movement.
It's actually a downward spiral in the book of Judges because they grow progressively worse and worse and worse.
And what do you see happening at the end of the book of Judges?
You have all kinds of sexual perversion.
You have the man who cuts up the woman and many different pieces and sends her.
I mean, it's just some of the most disgusting things that you see happening, one human to another.
And God brings great severe judgment on the people at the end of the book of Judges.
But what does the very last verse say?
In those days, there was no king in Israel, and every man did that which was right in his own eyes.
Who was supposed to be the king of Israel?
Almighty God was supposed to be their king.
When they had turned their authority over to themselves instead of coming under the authority of God, this is what we see, and it mirrors exactly what we're seeing in the United States of America.
You know, the United States of America has been a beacon of hope to the world for many, many decades, and we seem to be losing our light.
It seems to be that story in the Bible we see there is a lamp at the top of a hill, but there's a bushel put on top of it.
Mondo, I know we have talked to many pastors who feel like they are holding their torch alone.
You know, the prophet Elijah very, you know, ignorantly said, I'm alone out here.
There's nobody else.
It's just me.
Little did he know that there were thousands of others like him.
Pastors right now are feeling alone.
I want to ask you as a pastor, how do we keep our spiritual leadership in this country from feeling isolated, alone, and therefore defeated?
Yeah, David was at a very low point in his life, and there was a crisis that happened.
And in the middle of that crisis that happened, the Bible tells us that David encouraged himself in the Lord.
And so it starts with our relationship with God, going back to who God is and going back and making sure that we're in the word, making sure that we're growing spiritually.
As pastors, you're constantly giving out.
You're teaching.
You're focused on the flock that God has called you to serve.
And if we're not careful to guard our own soul, to nurture our own selves, we're eventually going to become a dry well that we have nothing else that we can give out to people because we've not been nourished ourselves.
And so it starts there.
But you also need to surround yourself with like-minded believers.
And that's what God did for Elijah.
When God answered Elijah's prayer, and there he is in the cave, and all that happens, the still small voice that comes to him, right after that, what do we see God doing with Elijah?
Craving Knowledge 00:06:29
He leads him to someone else, Elisha, gave him someone to minister to, gave him someone to invest in, gave him someone to raise up and pass the torch on.
And so God brought him into relationship and fellowship with like-minded believers after that cave experience.
You know, we see that one.
We were talking about brotherhood.
We were talking about secret societies on the show with you, and we talked about how there's a need for brotherhood.
And sometimes there is no brotherhood around you.
So you go and you find these secret societies like Freemasonry and other things like that.
And we see pastors, and we know actually well-known pastors who are very influential across the United States who are involved in these secret societies.
So Michael, as we talked about that, first off, I guess why do they exist, secret societies, and why are people so drawn to them?
So men crave knowledge, and we talked a little bit about that.
It was the thirst for knowledge that the serpent tempted Eve with in the garden.
If you eat this fruit, you will be as God, the fruit of the knowledge of good and evil.
And that's when humanity realized good and evil.
That's when Adam and Eve realized they were naked.
Today, dogs, they don't realize good from evil.
They recognize reward from punishment.
So we are beings that have the knowledge of good and evil, and humans thirst knowledge.
And that's a lot of what we see from the secret societies going into Freemasonry.
The Regis manuscript has a poem about the Tower of Babel and how Nimrod is the first excellent grandmaster of Freemasonry.
The knowledge, again, that we talked about that he got from Hermes, who found the knowledge of the watchers that lasted through the flood.
So humankind has sought knowledge, and the secret societies pass on this knowledge through symbolism and allegory.
So it's something that, you know, power, wealth, and knowledge are the three things that either men seek after, but it also corrupts them.
We talked a little bit about politics.
And from eight years in the Tennessee State House, I have seen very good men who are good people.
They got a little taste of the power and they lost focus of what their constituents wanted.
And so it's prevalent in politics, too.
Do you see an alignment of how men and women, leaders are getting tired of doing good?
Because when I look at the infiltration of the different vocabulary that has come into the church, it has changed the direction of the morals and the values of where we ought to go, where we ought to be, how do we respond?
There's more teaching about, and there's nothing wrong with that.
Again, I want to make it clear.
There's nothing wrong about learning about economics in the church.
There's nothing wrong in learning about politics in the church.
But I think at the end of the day, we forget that we are to bring the gospel of Jesus Christ, teach word for word, yet there's a different gospel being preached from our pulpits today.
You can see it.
You can smell it.
You can even in the books.
We put scriptures here and there to fill the gaps.
But yeah, I feel like leaders today are getting tired of doing good.
Do you sense that or is it just me?
Absolutely.
It is a tiring thing to take a stand all the time.
And this goes directly to Ephesians chapter 6.
Most people know the put on the whole armor of God, the shield of faith, the sword, all the different pieces of armor.
But what people don't miss, what they do miss, what they don't really recognize in the end, Ephesians 6, it says, after you put on the whole armor.
Stand.
There's a line right there.
Not only do you obey by putting on the armor, but then you take action by standing.
And so when you talk about people getting weary, we're living in a culture where it's the antithesis to what God is teaching of goodness.
And the Bible says, be not weary in well-doing, for in due season you'll reap if you faint not.
So that's my message to those folks.
Yeah, this culture is not necessarily the easiest to stand in, but God says to do it.
You think there's a tie-in between the secret societies and the brainwashing that's kind of happening right now through the world?
I know a lot of people will talk about, you know, things and they think it's a tinfoil hat when you say anything like the word Illuminati.
They think, oh, yeah, tinfoil hat.
You know, talk about the celebrities who are in the Illuminati or the Freemasonries do, you know, X, Y, and Z above a certain level of people.
They say, oh, whatever, the tinfoil hat, put that back on.
And I realize that's just the mantra is whenever we don't want to explore something, we either call it a conspiracy theory.
Earlier, I said that's a conspiracy theory.
He said, actually, it's no, it's a conspiracy, not a theory.
And I realize, oh, that's a very good way to put it.
Yeah, it's not a theory anymore because they've been acting out on this for thousands of years, but it's through slow dripping of water, brainwashing.
Is that right?
Yeah, I think so.
And even I read a quote from the Time magazine from back.
And one thing that I like to do if I'm doing it in a presentation is just give the headlines and give the information and have people guess, when do you think this was written?
It sounds like it was something that would happen recently.
But it's actually Time magazine from the 1940s.
And it was a group of Protestant pastors that were calling for a global police force, a global court system, all kinds of things that they wanted.
And so even Protestant pastors were working back in the 1940s to bring about some globalistic changes.
There's groups like the United Nations, the World Economic Forum, and you can see in their agendas, they're working arm in arm.
And there's a lot of propaganda that's at work.
And whether it be through some of the legacy mainstream media outlets and how they parrot one another with a lot of the messaging that we see coming across and all these kinds of things to misinform the public intentionally at times, not always, but at certain times to try to get across their message, to try to get people on board with their agenda.
It is an agenda, too.
If there's a message you guys have for the audience, because we see a lot of things and people hear these things and they feel, man, I got a lot of fear now.
I have anxiety.
It makes me want to slip into a depression.
But we have hope through all this, don't we, Mike?
We do.
Jesus Christ is the king of kings and lord of lords.
He is the God of gods.
And when we talk about the marginal mystery side of it, the gods are real entities from ancient times.
They are the beings that the pagans worshiped.
They're angels, fallen angels, but the pagans worshiped these gods, and Jesus Christ is the ruler of all of them.
Realities Beyond Perception 00:07:22
And on your first question of the secret societies and trying to tell you it's not real, well, there's a famous quote, the greatest thing the devil ever did is convincing you he didn't exist.
That's right.
Just because you haven't seen the far side of the moon doesn't mean it doesn't exist.
So there are realities out there, but we worship the Savior.
So that is the hope that there are princes of this world.
Satan is the prince of this world.
There are 72 princes of the nations that are there.
Scripture even says the 72 princes were at the cross watching Jesus get crucified.
These principalities and powers are real, but they are ultimately submissive and under the authority accountable to Jesus Christ.
Amen.
Accountable to Jesus Christ, submitted under his authority.
I love how you said it's the king of kings, the Lord of Lords, and he's the God of gods.
Because there's a lot of God's little G's running around thinking that they're powerful and can alter God's main plan, big G, but it can't.
When God sets something in motion, He's going to finish it.
He's the author and the finisher.
He's the author and the concluder of our salvation.
Isn't that encouraging, Mono, to know?
If he started a good work in you, he's going to see it unto completion.
I love the Bible.
And I have four scriptures I want to give you to encourage you.
Number one, Galatians chapter 6, verse 9 through 10.
Let us not become weary in doing good, for at the proper time we will reap a harvest if we do not give up.
2 Thessalonians chapter 3, verse 13.
And as for you, talking about you and I, brother and sisters, never tire of doing what is good.
2 Corinthians chapter 4, verse 16.
Therefore, we do not lose heart.
Write that down.
That is for you.
When you feel discouraged, when you feel like all hope is being gone, think about this.
Therefore, we do not lose heart.
Though outwardly we are wasting away, that means if you're getting old, if you're aging, this is for you.
Yet inwardly, we are being renewed day by day.
And I love this one: Romans chapter 12, verse 21: do not be overcome by evil, but overcome evil with good.
Amen.
God has filled this book called the Bible.
Someone called it Basic Instructions Before Leaving Earth.
I don't know if that's true, but it sounds good.
And I want to tell you something.
There's some instructions there that are non-negotiable with God.
One of them is he's never going to stop encouraging you to give up.
And I want to tell you something.
This is the hour that Bible prophecy is being fulfilled.
We are seeing the information age bring to light some of the darkest things in this world.
But yet, just like you said, the king of kings is where we have our hope.
And if you don't know Jesus today, I hope that you will consider and receive in him and confess with your mouth and believe with your heart, you will be saved.
Listen to this.
He loves you.
He's crazy about you.
Father, I pray for that person watching right now.
I pray peace over them.
I pray conviction over them.
I pray repentance over them, that they may recognize that you are the only way, the only truth, and the only salvation that we have.
Father, forgive us of our sins.
Forgive this nation.
Forgive the leaders of this nation.
And God, turn this mess around and turn it into a message.
In Jesus' name, we pray.
Amen.
You know, we have an affiliate program with the Southwest Radio Ministries where your guys' books, DVDs, other things are offered there.
So tell us a little bit about what somebody can find if they go to the Southwest Radio Ministries.
What are the different types of things that they'd get there?
We have all kinds of different things related to Bible prophecy, some of the marginal mysteries kinds of things.
Also, Christian apologetics is something that we're very passionate about as well.
So a lot of great resources along those lines.
Amen.
So Mono, I don't know if you noticed.
You can go on our website right now.
I'm looking at it right now.
You can go, you can scroll down.
You can find Southwest Radio Ministries.
It's a little affiliate and it says see offer.
You can click that and you can see all the different things.
We'll put it up on the screen for you at home, all the different things that you guys offer, your guys' books, and it's affiliate with us.
I want to go through and just read some of the things that people can get.
It's a book by you, Micah Van Huss, Angels Eternal, War of the Princes.
You have secret societies available, the earth as it was, ancient cities and the gods who built them.
I like how you put little G's there too.
That's awesome.
Ancient cities and the gods who built them, Atlantis, and how do you say that word?
Eridu?
Eridu.
Eridu, there we go.
It's close.
Possible side of the Tower of Babel.
There we go.
Come on.
I like that.
The one world minds available.
And then also, I noticed this mono.
This caught my attention this morning when I was looking at it.
It's called Rapture Anxiety.
It's a DVD.
Give us a little bit, a little synopsis.
Whoever can, rapture anxiety.
Yeah, rapture anxiety.
So that was a phrase that came up by people who were deconstructing their faith.
And they said, did you ever grow up in a house that believed in the rapture and you couldn't find your parents and you had that moment when you were like, oh no, the rapture happened.
And it happened.
It happened to me actually one time.
Yes, it happened to me too as a kid, you know, a few times.
But there are people who have dismissed belief and the rapture.
And really in that video teaching, I show that at the root of that issue, it's a misunderstanding of the gospel.
It's a fear-based system, not a love-based relationship with Almighty God.
So try to dispel this concept of rapture anxiety.
Amen.
I like that.
I want to encourage you, go support this ministry, the Southwest Radio Ministry.
Get any of their things, whether it's a DVD or a book, I promise you, it's going to bless your life.
What I would encourage you to do is get a couple of these, Mondo.
Use this as a Wednesday night Bible study.
Use it as a book to introduce somebody to the gospel.
In this way, well, you know, give them the Bible.
Sometimes you hand someone a Bible, they'll never pick it up and read it, but they might pick up and read Angels Eternal because, man, that looks really interesting.
They might pick up and read One World Mind.
Somebody who maybe doesn't love Jesus right now might read a book called Fake Jesus because they want to say, hey, you know, I want to see how I can dispute this.
But what they'll do is they'll end up finding the gospel intertwined through this entire thing and they'll end up finding the real authentic Jesus like you talk about at the end of the book.
We try to provide resources for you, for your family, for your community, your church that you can say, you know what?
I'm going to get good Holy Spirit-inspired teachings, Mondo.
And that's why we take pride in our affiliate programs.
We hand-select them very carefully.
And the Southwest Radio Ministries is one that we are proud to be in partnership with.
Absolutely.
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Thank you.
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