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Jan. 1, 2026 - Jim Bakker Show
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The Jim Bakker Show with Pastor Steve Cioccolanti Part 2
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Israel's Last Days Prophecy 00:05:15
Pastor Steve Ciccolani is the pastor of Discover Church.
His program, Look Up with Steve Cicalani, airs on PTL TV Tuesdays at 10 p.m. and Sundays at 3 p.m. Eastern Standard Time.
Welcome to the Jim Baker Family Show.
Today, our special guest talks about where are we on God's timeline.
Our co-host today is Reverend Mondo De La Vega.
And now, here is your host, Pastor Ricky Baker.
Hello, friends.
You're watching PTL TV.
This is the Jim Baker Family Show.
We have day two with Pastor Steve Chicolanti.
Pastor Steve, I want to say thank you so much for being on the broadcast with us.
You just wrapped up a 10-nation tour that you were doing, an incredible evangelistic effort that you were to tell us about this and where you were, what you were up to, and, you know, kind of some of the things that you guys experienced.
Well, we just came back from a tour of Israel with Pastor Mark Bilts.
That was really good.
And I think, you know, it was important to go and support Israel because they've been suffering.
October 7 is still fresh in their mind.
It's affected their economy.
It's affected their tourism.
So they were really happy to see us.
They're really happy.
A change of face for us.
Tourists have not come.
And it also affects Jordan.
So Jordan, even though it's Islamic, it's a Muslim country, they're all affected by the fact that we're not there.
So Christians, I think it's a good time to go back, explore Israel, explore Jordan.
Then after that, it was just, it happened to be a link.
I saw the Copelands in Israel because we were welcoming a whole plane load of Aliyah Jews coming from the former Soviet Union.
And then they invited me, just a particular charity, invited me to be the keynote speaker of an Aliyah event helping Jews to repatriate or come back to their homeland.
And that was in Bangkok, in Bangkok, Thailand.
So it was great.
I got to preach prophecy to the ambassador of Israel.
Wow.
Yeah.
And she came up and thanked me.
And she said she had never heard.
You know, I quoted the Torah.
I quoted the Tanakh.
I gave her the book of Psalms.
And she said, well, I have a lot to think about.
I haven't heard of that before.
You know, I didn't know.
It's really good.
Can you imagine a Jew hearing about prophecy from an Asian Gentile over in Asia?
It's like the last thing she's thought is going to happen when she was appointed to be an ambassador in Bangkok.
The last days are here.
Oh, the last days are here.
Great things are happening.
But something significant that happened that I want the audience to know is a lot of times God will use me as a sign.
So a prophet is not just someone who speaks the future.
They are the sign sometimes.
The Bible says in Isaiah 8, 18, behold, I and the children whom the Lord has given me, we are for signs and for wonders.
And so I've noticed many times when I just simply step foot in a place, it's almost like a last warning.
It's a time where God is saying, I want to encourage you, you know, turn and I'm going to help you or ignore and then something's going to come.
So unfortunately, right after I left Thailand in the south where there's a lot of Muslims actually, the greatest flood in memory happened.
And they said, they didn't call it a storm.
They called it a rain bomb.
Like a bomb of water went, you know, just went across that region and water came up within hours to the second story.
So people were displaced and a lot has a lot of water.
So that was something that was happening.
And I went to a lot of other countries, but I just thought, you know, God actually is giving them a little bit of a warning that you've got to prep.
This is totally in line with the four horsemen of the apocalypse because they recovered pretty quickly.
A lot of Christians went to help.
So I thought, that's really good.
You know, we are to shine the light of Jesus Christ when these catastrophes happen rather than panicking ourselves.
Yes.
We are not affected.
I'm building a Goshen down in southern Thailand as part of my mission, and we were not affected, but we were able to go and help.
Pastor Steve, as we wrap up 2025.
I got to ask you this bold question.
We don't like to do softball questions, so we're going to go straight to what counts.
What do you see as we're heading into 2026 that God is speaking to you?
Because you've written a book that details the greatest warnings of the next 10 years.
That brings 2026 into the picture.
What do you see God doing in 2026 that we as the church, we need to be alert, we need to be praying, we need to be watchful for?
Well, without a doubt, for 2026, we've got a time of war because if the timeline is right in the book, and I always say, you know, you can falsify it, you can verify it.
If it doesn't happen, then I'm wrong.
But according to the timeline, it's a time of war, which means that Trump is not going to succeed in being the peace deal maker that he wants to be.
War with Venezuela? 00:06:42
And he's not getting the Nobel Peace Prize that he wants to get because it is time.
It is written in the word of God.
Now, we don't want to go start wars.
We don't want our children to be dying in wars.
But it is a time of war.
And so we have to deal circumspectly.
We have to pray wisely into this situation.
And there were many, many confirmations of that.
So it won't surprise me if we go to war with Venezuela.
I mean, three months ago, who would have thought we'd be at war with Venezuela?
It wouldn't surprise me if Japan suddenly has a war with, you know, combining with Taiwan against China.
But it's the time of war.
It's a season.
So that's definitely what's coming.
The good side of it, if I can say, because I don't want to depress people, the good side of it is historically war has been a great time for America.
Prosperity.
We've definitely leveraged almost every war that we've been in to financially prosper as Americans.
That is true.
Yeah, we've seen that.
I want to ask a question because you were just talking about Venezuela.
If somebody would have said like three years ago, we're going to be at war with Venezuela, I feel like people would have said, you're crazy.
And they just actually released something from their president that they were going to quote unquote, you know, kick the teeth in of America.
That sounds like a threat to me, obviously.
Our presidential administration is going to do whatever they need to do to make sure that we have a strong and safe America.
But what do you think this is prophetically?
Why Venezuela?
Why would we be attacking?
I mean, I'm going to be honest with you.
If you'd have told me war with Russia, I'd say, that's probably a pretty good guess.
You know, war with China.
Yeah, I could see that.
War with Venezuela.
Why are we fighting Venezuela?
Well, why we're fighting Venezuela is not about the drugs because the drugs are coming from Colombia.
So this is, of course, they're not good guys, right?
And there's lots of criminals.
But a lot of them have been dealt with and they're incarcerated in El Salvador through a treaty or through a peace deal we made with Nayib Bukele in El Salvador.
So what's Venezuela really about?
Venezuela is the world's largest proven reserve of crude oil.
303 billion barrels of crude oil.
So Trump is doing the Trump thing.
He's very smart, and he's going to hit not two, but probably three birds with one stone, with one executive action.
So quite a few things get accomplished through this.
He's very concerned, as he should be, about the midterm elections.
If the economy tanks, he's going to lose the House, he's going to lose the Senate, and he's going to be impeached for the third time.
And this time, they're going to make sure that they indict him, which could put him in jail.
It would be the first time in presidential history where a president goes to jail after being impeached.
Now, there's no provision in the Constitution to jail someone that's been impeached, but they can indict him, which they've done.
So Trump has to make sure that he doesn't lose the midterms.
So what he needs to do is to lower the cost of living in America.
And how do you do that?
The easiest way is to lower the price of oil.
So if he takes Venezuela, he has a new supply of oil and the price drops.
Boom.
One accomplishment.
Number two, he destroys, he wrecks the Russian economy.
The Russian economy.
Oh, yeah, because Russia depends on oil.
So would we be going to war, a proxy war with Russia if we did that?
Of course, Russia understands this, that if he gets the oil, we get the oil, we have, and by the way, it then correlates with Revelation chapter 6, verse 6, that when the black horse comes, the economy tanks, but don't hurt the oil.
Can I ask a question, a silly question?
President Trump's really pushing for a peace deal with Russia and Ukraine, which a lot of people are saying is actually favoring Russia more than it is Ukraine.
Do you think that a part of why he wants to do a peace deal that would favor Russia more is to kind of even the playing field for attacking maybe Venezuela?
Oh, yeah.
I mean, he's a master at negotiating.
He wrote the art of the deal.
So everything is a deal to him.
Everything is an economic deal.
The only trouble with that is there's always a spiritual element.
So the timing of the black horse really, really is very concerning for us as Christians and conservatives because it appears to me that no matter what he does, the oil won't be hurt.
The Bible said so, but the economy will be hurt.
And if the economy is hurt, Americans will vote their pocketbook.
Yes.
And then we will lose the midterm elections, and then the whole Trump agenda is gone.
So he becomes a two-term president one way or the other.
So that's a problem.
But he's dealing with Venezuela.
He's dealing with the narcotics, but that's not the primary source of narcotics.
He's dealing with the American economy by getting another supply of oil.
He's dealing with Russia by lowering the price of oil.
It will weaken Russia.
He doesn't want to strong Russia, even if he makes a deal with them.
He doesn't want it strong.
Then he might be dealing with China because China's down in Latin America taking over, and he wants to make sure that China stays away from the largest oil reserve known on the planet.
You just said China is in Latin America taking over right now.
Yeah.
China.
China.
You know, when I went down to El Salvador to preach, their biggest, like their glorious library is built entirely on Chinese money.
It's in the middle of their square, whatever that's.
Are you guys aware of this?
I mean, I didn't, this is, this is, oh yeah.
Latin America is taken over by the Chinese.
That's why when President Trump got elected the second time, his first thing was to threaten Panama and said, get the Chinese out of Panama.
We paid for the building of the Panama Canal, and we said it's back to you, but we might actually reneg on this and take it back because you're letting China control the Panama Canal.
So he's very unhappy with that.
Wow.
Yes.
Or China's all over the place.
China's surrounded Australia.
So many moving parts and pieces.
It really feels like the American public has to put together a 10,000-piece puzzle to put all this together.
But the Lord's been giving you nuggets of knowledge where you can say, hey, put this piece there, put this piece there.
And people can take a step back and start seeing the bigger picture of it.
I always wonder if I can mention this because when the Lord asked me to move, I sold my house, my car, I left my church.
I oversee it, but from a distant, and I said, why do you need me in America?
I really don't need to be here.
You got the best TV programs.
You got the best preachers.
You got the mega churches.
Why do I need to be here?
And one of the reasons that I think the Lord brought me here is to, number one, awaken the church.
I know that's the word that everyone's using, but I'm very serious about it.
Awaken to something.
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Not just repent from something, but awaken to something.
And I believe that's biblical justice.
Awakening to justice before the day of justice or judgment comes.
But I also believe that America, a lot of our mistakes is because we're quite myopic.
We're quite short-sighted with what's going on with the rest of the 200 nations around the world.
So I would say, if I can say humbly, that I would be one of the few public speakers or public Christian ministers that bring a complete international perspective.
And I think that's missing, even within the White House and even within prophecy teaching, that we need to see.
God sees the whole world.
God's not just looking at an American-centric gospel.
That's right.
You know, you have analyzed Trump's peace proposal for years, and we're going to talk about kind of your analysis of it and where he could be going wrong and where he's doing the right thing right after we do this.
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Pastor Steve, you've analyzed Trump's peace proposal for years.
So how can these plans tie into biblical prophecy?
Well, I think that actually his attempts to make peace are going to fail.
Okay, wow.
And this is why I said that if...
We don't hear that often.
I know that's not a very American preacher thing to say.
So I'm glad somebody's saying it though.
Well, it's according to the timeline.
Again, I'm just, it's not according to our emotions and our wishes.
It's according to the timeline.
So I publicly said to my church, I said on YouTube, you can go to Discover Ministries on YouTube and see it.
I said, if Trump, when he got elected, remember, he said, on the first day or in the first week, he's going to end the war between Russia and Ukraine.
Yes.
And I said publicly, look, if that happens, then I'm wrong.
Yes.
The timeline's wrong.
The book, The Four Horseman, everything's wrong.
Keep Supporting This Ministry 00:13:53
That's fine.
You can falsify what I teach.
I want you to test it out.
It's fine.
You got to prove it.
But of course, he's tried and tried and tried, and he cannot get a peace deal going.
And he didn't want to be a wartime president, but now he's possibly invading Venezuela.
That's right.
So these peace deals are not working.
The peace deal in Thailand and Cambodia just failed.
Yeah.
All right.
And they're having like full-on kinetic war right now.
This can totally destabilize the region because it's a proxy war going on.
America supports Thailand.
China supports Cambodia.
So just so you know what the two sides are about.
So a proxy war is going on at the border, the northern border of northeastern Thailand.
That's interesting.
Yeah.
Mondo, why are more people not aware of this?
You know, America is too busy dealing with Diddy celebrities.
It's distractions.
The distractions that are going on in America, and then the church is too busy still arguing if tithing is biblical.
I mean, you see where we are in the temperature of Christianity.
We're lost.
We're confused.
We're conflicted over silly things that really we shouldn't be paying attention to because the big picture is showing us the timeline of really what's happening.
Just a few hours ago, President Trump just declared war on Colombia.
He says, you're next.
Oh, he said it.
All right.
They're stacking up.
But I want to go back a few steps because I have been intrigued by China the last few years.
We had, you know, Robert McGinnis on the program.
He's written books about China.
What is it that we have to watch for when it comes to China?
I know we're paying attention to the threats and the wars between Taiwan and China and Japan, but I feel like there's something more about China that we need to look into.
What do you think?
Yeah.
The Lord has been sending me into China for many years.
The only time I paused going in was COVID.
And then after that, we didn't really go back in anymore.
So that was just the effect of COVID.
So China, when I entered China, I immediately got a sense that they would not prosper.
Now, you listen to the economists, you listen to the political commentators, and they say China is going to take over the world.
And they are, in a sense.
However, they are doomed for judgment because of one thing.
They persecute Christians.
Yes.
So when I preach in the underground church, they would tell us to not take our phone because even if it's switched off, they're still tracking you.
I don't know how they do it, but they do.
So we go in, we have to be completely like cloistered.
And then we have a drill of what happens if the secret police comes.
Who gets to go out?
Who gets arrested?
All of that.
That's like prepped while we're preaching in China.
Now, the news right now is it's getting worse.
So I've led people to the Lord who are Chinese students.
They come over to Australia.
They get saved in my church and then we send them back.
Well, one of the guys who got saved, he's now one of the leaders.
I don't want to say in what industry, but he's a leader in China.
And they just jailed his pastor.
Wow.
Sent him to jail.
Now, how did they do it?
It's important for you to learn this because this is what the persecution of the green horse is going to, how it's going to come.
And if China influences the world, this is what you can expect.
So they find out through the giving who is a member of what church because people are using the QR code.
So then they take the QR code and then they start tracing.
Then they contact all the church members and they say, you are to sign this affidavit, this statement of truth, that you have been swindled out of money.
You've been scammed by this so-called pastor.
You're to sign or we're going to get your family in trouble.
So they all sign.
Then they have the reason, the evidence, doctored evidence, to go and arrest the pastor.
Wow.
Say, this pastor is not a real pastor.
He's a scammer.
Wow.
So then they put the pastor in jail.
Then they come back to my disciple and they threaten him and they say, you are to renounce Christianity.
Wow.
Well, I asked, what did you do?
He said, I said, I can't renounce.
They said, well, they will threaten to fire me from this very high position in the Chinese economy.
And I'm so proud of him.
So proud of him.
Sometimes you don't know the disciples you make.
But he stood his ground and he says, no, even if you fire me, I will not renounce my faith in Jesus Christ.
Hallelujah.
That's what we're going to be facing in the not too distant future.
So then he said they didn't fire him because they actually need him.
They don't have anybody that, so they bluff him.
Become needed.
Become needed.
You better become needed.
You better become essential.
So they didn't fire him.
But you know what they do?
Every month.
Every month they interrogate him.
Of course.
Every month there's an interview.
Do you still believe in Jesus?
What are you doing in your church?
Why are you giving money away to this thing?
Like that.
So they're going to wear down the saints.
Remember the scripture?
They're going to wear down the saints.
And for Americans, we don't even have this concept.
We think this can happen.
We think we have a lot of concept.
We're not even close to having the concept.
You're right.
So, the threat of China is the fact that they've exported this anti-Christianity, Marxist, globalist mentality to so many nations purely through money.
So, you've got Qatar on the one side exporting just money, buying up politicians, and the Chinese doing the same.
So, the threat is they are much more subtle about their invasion, but the invasion has already begun.
Wow.
We in America, we come in like guns blazing, bang, You know, we're here, we're cowboys, right?
It's the wild west.
It's the wild west, and we do kinetic shock and awe, but it doesn't work.
It's failed in Vietnam all the way to Afghanistan.
This is fascinating what you just put out.
Okay.
Because I'm looking at the argument of what's going on right now.
And the Bible describes that brothers are going to turn people over, right?
Exactly.
So, there's a powerful documentary right now, what they call exposing the mega churches and churches.
And it's all about money tithing and people are being scammed and whatnot.
I'm going to tell you something: God always sends a warning before the storm.
Yes.
And the warning that we're watching right now over money and preachers scamming you and all of this and the accusations, it's an easy target to say what you just described on how the persecution of the church is going to look like.
We always assume it's going to look like what the Middle East is going through and what Africa is going through.
But in a first world nation, persecution has to look a lot different.
And you just describe the heart of the matter, which is money.
Yeah, it's mammon.
So, but what I'm seeing and what I'm sensing in the Lord is that we have to become essential.
I think that that's what Ricky said, and that we have to be active in the economy.
So, it's very interesting how when you start talking about money, people get very, you know, I don't know, they're a bit sketchy about it.
But I believe, I'm going to read to you a scripture that is predictive of the end time.
The first time that the word Goshen is mentioned, Goshen is a safe place when the plagues came to Egypt, is in Genesis 45, verse 10.
And look at what Joseph said.
We're in the Joseph generation.
The Joseph model is almost matching the seven seals, by the way.
It's really fascinating.
So, Joseph says to his family, Thou shalt dwell in the land of Goshen.
Thou shalt be near unto me.
The word Goshen itself sounds like a Hebrew word that means draw near to me.
So, you shall Goshen me at Goshen.
Thou and thy children, thy children's children, thy flocks, and thy herds, and all that thou hast, and I there I will nourish thee.
For yet there are five years of famine, lest thou and thy household and all that thou hast come to poverty.
The English standard says that, for there are yet five years of famine to come, so that you and your household and all that you have do not come to poverty.
So, what is the big concern with God providing a Goshen?
And the believers don't even know the Goshen is there until two years into the famine.
Imagine how blind they were about this, that they're related to the person that can save them, but they got blinkers on.
They can't see this.
Two years into the trouble, Joseph reveals the purpose of the Goshen, which is, I am involved in the political and economic system in order to save you, that you do not come to poverty.
And I believe in the end time, if we know ahead of time the black horse is coming, then we should be involved more with business opportunities, ethical business opportunities, any real estate stuff.
Do whatever you can in the next 12 months.
Be involved in the economy so that you can help you and your family to not come to poverty.
And they will not be able to attack you because they love money.
Oh, wow.
So, if you're in the system, right, and you're providing jobs and things like that, they tend to leave you alone.
But if you're an easy target, right?
Some pastor preaching something and you've got no stake in the nation.
You've got no ties, no roots in the nation.
You're just doing your own thing, your own ministry.
They will come after those guys first.
Wow.
So they've thrown those guys into jail and it's horrible.
And we can pray for them to get better, but they haven't gotten better.
And this is why, by the way, I prophesy judgment, earthquakes, and diseases will come to China.
You will watch on the news in the next 12 months.
You will see these things on China because they cannot prosper persecuting the people of God because they're an affront to the eye of God.
And God will defend his believers.
God will defend his believers.
Amen.
Pastor Steve, just a few minutes left on today's broadcast.
I want to tell people, go get your book, The Four Horsemen of the Apocalypse.
If you could leave people with one message today, what would it be?
So you need to study.
I know you're probably like end time saturated, right?
And people get weary of the end times because they've heard so much.
But now that we're so close, this is not the time to be weary of well-doing.
Don't get tired of well-doing.
This is the time.
And especially you who have a lot of experience.
The Bible says in 1 Timothy chapter 3 that we are to trust people who are not novices in the faith, lest they, being puffed up, fall into the trap of the devil.
You who are senior citizens of the body of Christ, you're absolutely needed.
Amen.
We need you to be active.
We need you to be re-engaged again and not think, well, I'm just waiting for the rapture.
I'm waiting for glory.
No, you're here for a purpose and the time is contracting.
So you need to tell us all of your business wisdom, your family wisdom, all the wisdom that you've ever collected in helps in ministry and start imparting, reactivate and refire yourselves.
Amen.
Amen.
And God will not leave you to poverty.
He said so.
The purpose of a Goshen, this is a Goshen.
Branson, Missouri is one of the Goshens.
I've got a Goshen down in southern Thailand.
I'm going to go down and look at Panama.
I'm looking all over.
I've been to 60 countries.
I'm looking.
But this is a Goshen.
That means you've got to be active because when the catastrophes happen, you will be first to be called upon to go minister to those people.
Like the great flood that just happened in southern Thailand, Christians were active and they were not afraid.
That's what we need to do.
Do not be afraid and do not fall into poverty in the end times.
Keep sowing, keep giving, and keep being open to the business entrepreneurship opportunities that God gives you.
Amen.
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They used to say it right off the bat.
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Oh my goodness.
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Amen.
Pastor Steve Ciclani, I want to say thank you for being on the broadcast.
Friends, go download PTL TV, the app, and you can see day one and day two.
Pastor Steve Ciclani, don't forget this.
God loves you.
He really does.
Bye-bye, for today.
God bless you.
Pastor Steve, thank you so much again.
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