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Nov. 24, 2025 - Jim Bakker Show
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The Jim Bakker Show with Heather Z
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Saw Our Lord Face to Face 00:10:54
Welcome to the Jim Baker Family Show.
Today, Heather Z talks about her new book, Unlocking Heaven's Truth: What I Experienced Between Life and Death.
Our co-host today is Reverend Mondo de la Vega.
And now, here's your host, Pastor Ricky Baker.
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Today, we're going to be talking about unlocking heaven's truth with Heather Z. Heather, I want to say thank you for being on the broadcast today.
An intriguing title of the book.
What made you title it that?
And what is heaven's truth?
Well, I've unlocking heaven's truth truly is a revelation that I've received when I went and died and saw the Lord.
And the purpose for unlocking it is, I've been through many things, everything from, you know, I talk about miracles versus healing.
And I have a healing journey as well when I ended up with hereditary double renal failure.
And so sometimes in a journey of experiencing and walking through healing, there's always the mystery of faith.
How do you pull faith in to receive where that manifestation by faith reaching into the supernatural and bringing it into the natural and seeing yourself fully and completely healed?
So unlocking heaven's truth is truly a revelation that I received from the Lord of accessing healing.
And it's what I saw between life and death as well.
Wow.
So hey, I'm going to take about three steps back because you said something maybe our partners don't know.
You actually had an experience where you saw our Lord and Savior face to face.
Tell us about that.
Yeah.
Well, I was young.
I was a gymnast when I was young.
And I happened to go over to some friends' house with my parents because they were ministers as well.
And they just asked me to take their friend's daughter to the park.
And I'd had a particularly long practice that day.
And once I was there, I was just, I wasn't doing anything spectacular.
I was about an inch and a half off the ground, what would be like parallel bars, swinging back and forth.
And on the backswing, my muscles were so stressed that it jerked my muscles.
I slingshot forward, my head hit the ground, and I heard my neck snap.
I ended up breaking C1, which is the very top vertebrae of your neck, which also happened to be the same as Christopher Reeves.
I don't know if you remember Superman back in the 80s, but I broke the same vertebrae as him.
Well, long story short, as I was coming to, I was holding my neck, walking back to the house.
And as I walked in the door, my mom clearly could see something was wrong.
And she just said, Are you okay?
And I said, I think I broke my neck.
And I was 14 years old at the time.
And so they rushed me to the hospital.
And once they got me in there, they did all the vitals and things.
And progressing forward, we ended up, I ended up going into a CAT scan.
And the lady just said, Heather, I need to take some pictures.
I'll be right back.
And in that moment, my eyes begin to close.
And as they begin to close, the next thing I know, I was above my body looking at myself on the table.
And it was just real matter of fact.
There was no fear.
I wasn't afraid.
It was just, it was like looking almost at someone else, like, oh, but that's me.
And at that point, that's when I left and saw the Lord.
I love the Z family.
Incredible, incredible people.
They have become a voice for the church.
Miss Heather, so good to see you and to hear your testimony every single time you share.
It always unlocks the idea that you watching, you might be going through something that you can't explain.
Maybe something about your past that is a it became your identity on today's program.
As you're listening to this story, identify with the idea that God can also use you.
Understand that God can also take your mess and turn it into a message.
Can you talk about the encounter and the change that you experience on how you view pain, trauma, and the purpose that you once had?
Because to believe in miracles is to go through a miracle and then come out talking about a miracle.
Can you talk about that?
Absolutely.
And like I said, so there was different points of learning.
So when I broke my neck and went and saw the Lord, which he did speak to me and he talked to me, and just briefly, I was aware of my parents in the live or in the waiting room.
I was, you know, I had a whole experience of what I encountered walking into heaven to the point to where the whole sky filled with the Lord's hands.
And the next thing I knew, when his hands cupped together, and it was so vast, it would take a lot of time to talk about it.
Next thing I knew, I was sitting in his hands, and that's when he spoke.
And it would hit me in my abdomen and truly was spirit to spirit, heart to heart.
But in the process, he just said, Heather, I have assignments for you.
I have assignments that are specifically tailored and designed to you.
And it was a bit of a conversation.
I had a sense of a husband, family.
And the last things that the Lord said to me is, Heather, don't worry.
Everything's going to be okay.
I have you in my hands.
It's time for you to go now.
And I just said, No, Lord, I don't want to go.
And he said, He was so simple.
And that's the thing.
He's so simple.
And we make him so difficult and complex.
And he just simply repeated himself and said, Heather, don't worry.
Everything's going to be okay.
I have you in my hands.
It's time for you to go now.
And in that moment, what I learned from that is, I know who I am.
I know where I come from.
I know the creator of the universe who built me, designed me, formed me before my mother's womb, and has called me out.
But during the times of learning healing, which is very different, miracles are instantaneous.
It's a supernatural intervention, instantaneous.
You don't have time to pray.
You don't have time to rip out your scriptures to believe.
It's instantaneous.
As we're healing with kidney transplant, it was impossible.
I didn't qualify.
That was a whole journey of learning.
You know, faith isn't a mystery.
It was truly faith comes by hearing and hearing by the word of God.
And it was taking in that hearing and building up my faith where I wasn't in a place of a revelation.
And that's the other thing.
It truly comes by a revelation of Jesus.
Once you have given it the time where you've spent time in the word, we always say it.
You read the word until the word starts talking back to you.
I got to a place during healing and even with trauma.
When I was a young teen, I had serious a trauma instance when I was 19 where I was trafficked.
And all of this is in the book.
There's too much to talk about.
Where the Lord, that's where deliverance came in.
And he completely delivered me from that traumatic experience as if it had never even happened.
But it was truly a revelation of Jesus' love and how much he loved me.
It's not because of what I do, but it's because of what he's done for me.
And once I got to know him, that changed everything.
You know, you talk about discerning God's voice.
If there's somebody out there today and they're saying, I really want to hear the voice of God, I've been praying, I've been fasting, but I just haven't been able to hear him.
What would you say is something that they need to do to really discern the voice of God?
How you hear the voice of God truly is you begin to take in the word so that your heart becomes so deeply rooted in the word of God that the moment that the enemy comes in like a flood, you raise up a standard.
You have scriptures that are already deep rooted in your heart where you can raise those up.
And maybe you're not, someone's listening right now and you're not in a place right now.
You have the opportunity today to get into the word of God, start feeding your hearts, feeding your spirit, and getting those scriptures in so that you can begin to speak the word of God.
And that's how you build your faith.
You may not believe it right in the moment, but you've got to open your mouth.
You cannot fight thoughts with thoughts.
You can't fight your emotions and feelings with, yes, this may be very real.
You may not feel like the Lord is there or that He can hear you or that you have a circumstance that's too big.
It's not.
It truly is not.
When you get the Word of God in your heart, you know, it's just like the man who said, Lord, I believe, but help me in my unbelief.
As you begin to take the Word of God, you begin to speak those out.
Sometimes you got to get loud on the outside before it becomes loud on the inside in your heart until you become so fully persuaded by the Word of God.
And that's what it was for me.
I hit a saturation point in the Word of God, where He became, you know, Jesus, the Word made flesh.
You know, Jesus said, When you've seen me, Jesus, today we have the Word of God, the Word made flesh.
When you've seen me, you've seen the Father.
And so once you get the Word on the inside, where you start thinking the Word, viewing all your circumstances through the Word, responding because of the Word, how you view yourself and see yourself in the Word of God, that He loves you and there's nothing you can do about it, but you begin to see yourself as the beloved.
Jesus loves you and there's nothing you can do about it.
So really, it's that identity point, knowing who you are.
That's where the enemy comes in.
He did it with Adam and Eve.
He tries to get you to believe other than what you've already attained in Christ, in Jesus.
The minute that Jesus died, not only are you saved from your sins, but also it's healing.
You're protected.
You have provision.
You're being preserved.
You're saved also from hell, but it's healing and wholeness.
It's all provided in salvation.
Heather's Miraculous Journey 00:07:18
It's not just from sin.
It's all of it.
It's just like the fruit of the spirit.
It's in you.
You just have to begin to access it and begin to go to work on it.
People don't give it the time until they're desperate.
Listen, if you want to hear more, if you want to learn more about this story, we want you to go to the website, jimbakershow.com or give us a call right now, 1-888-988-1588, and get the book today, Unlocking Heaven's Truth.
Miss Heather, I got to share this story because when you were here, you and your husband were on my program, the Mondo Show.
And during that conversation, I received a call, Ricky, that my son's blood had come back and they had found traces of leukemia.
And I can hear my wise voice, the desperation, the panic, the what are we going to do?
How did this happen?
You know the voice.
And at that moment, I asked Heather and her husband, Joseph Z, to pray over my son Mateo.
Now, I learned something new while you were talking.
The difference between healing and miracles are two different things.
At that moment, we need a miracle.
But God was interested more in the healing process to build our faith, to work on our faith.
And a lot of times we put a lot of emphasis in the miracle and don't understand the process of healing.
I hope you write this down, what she's saying, or go back and hear this program again.
It will be an epiphany moment for you because God may want you go, God may want you to go through the process of understanding the healing process versus the instant miracle that we all usually look for.
At that moment, you and your husband laid hands on me on behalf of my son Matteo.
About four weeks later, I got the healing.
Amen.
Praise God.
No traces of leukemia.
Do you remember that day when you prayed over me, Heather?
Absolutely.
I absolutely remember the day.
And so having gone through my own journey, you know, you just, you learn some things.
And I have an understanding that your first response, whatever the report is, your first response is the most important.
Whatever comes out of your mouth to begin to declare.
It's like a tug of war, you know, having a tug of war.
And you literally have the two, three second advantage of, we always say, anytime we get a bad report, we immediately say, this is turning around for our good right now.
And that's like getting a two or three second head start on the Lord's side of your victory because it belongs to you.
Like I said, healing and wholeness is already yours.
You're not fighting for a victory.
You're standing already in victory in your covenant, but you have to begin to open your mouth.
And I do, we declared immediately.
I said every blood cell in his body is responding to the blood of Jesus because he has a covenant.
But we did.
We immediately declared we have authority.
Jesus, it's already done.
It is finished.
It is finished.
And so it's having that revelation of, no, no, no, this is already done.
We're not going to fall on the side of fear.
We're not going to fall on the side of defeat.
We're standing in a victory and we're declaring his body as completely whole.
And so I do remember that day.
And so I would say for anyone, do not get it.
You cannot fight the enemy.
And he always wants to bring you over into the space of reason, logic, or suggestion.
That's what he did with Adam and Eve.
Did God say, do you have authority?
No, as he is, so are we in this world right now.
If you said yes to Jesus, you have a full functioning, it is finished covenant working on your behalf.
So you don't fight over in the realm of reason, thought, suggestion.
You pull him over into your field of faith and saying, no, I have a covenant with Jesus and this is working out on my behalf right now.
And as you're hearing this program, I believe that God is performing his miracle in your life, but also giving you the strength to go through the process of healing.
Listen, a lot of times we got to stand on truth that practically is written in books like this.
When you make that connection, I'm telling you, I have lived through it.
I've gone through it many times, and that was more real at that moment than any other time.
You know, when you get sick is one thing, but when your kids are sick, when your spouse is sick, you know, something rises up in you to contend for them.
And this is your moment.
We want you to have that point of contact.
It is the book, Unlocking Heaven's Truth: What I Experience Between Life and Death.
And maybe that's where you are right now.
Maybe you're fighting something between life and death.
I want you to know something.
Don't give up on the brink of a miracle.
Get the book today.
Reinforce your faith.
Reinforce that God has a plan and a purpose for your life.
Call the number right now: 1-888-988-1588.
It's called taking action.
It's called contending for your faith.
Do whatever it takes.
Don't just settle in the news that you got today.
Don't just settle on the report that you're reading today.
Say, I'm not going to give up.
Not today, devil.
Someone said the other day.
Not today.
God is on the move and God is on the move on your behalf.
And Ricky, I believe in miracles.
Do you believe in miracles?
Absolutely.
That's God's business.
He's a miracle-working God because he is supernatural.
See, we are constantly in a state of trying to ensure that we are in tandem with the supernatural.
The supernatural is who God is.
Heather, I believe you have a word today that's going to be supernatural for somebody.
If you could just pray over our partners right now, those who are watching, those who may be saying, you know, I'm hurt and I feel like there's no way out of this pit of despair that I'm in.
I believe you have a word for them today.
It's going to be supernatural for their life.
Absolutely.
Right now, I just say in Jesus' name, God, first off, I just say, according to Ephesians 1:17, that they would have a revelation in the knowledge in you.
Release Peace 00:07:51
You would have a revelation in the knowledge of him, how he is, how he sees you, what you have in him, and that the eyes of your understanding would be enlightened, that you would know with the hope of his calling.
He has a calling.
He has a hope for you.
I thank you, God, that there's supernatural strength coming to their body right now, that they're being strengthened in their mind.
You're being strengthened in your heart.
You're being strengthened in your very being by your covenant in Jesus.
It is right there, just as you have the fruit of the spirit, that simple, just as you've received salvation.
God, I thank you that they're getting a revelation of Jesus right now and what is already provided for them in their covenant.
And I say, even right now, I say blood cells are responding to the blood of Jesus.
I say bones are responding to the blood of Jesus.
Organs are responding, the watery places in your body.
Brains, I say the cognitive thinking in your brain, the electricity in your brain is responding to the blood.
It's your God-given right.
It is your covenant right.
And Lord, I just say for those right now that are in the middle of it, right now, I release supernatural peace.
Jesus says, I give peace, not as the world gives, but I give my peace.
I release peace over your minds.
I release peace over your heart and your emotions.
But I say, even your body is responding to peace right now in the name of Jesus.
God, I thank you.
They're just receiving a revelation as they begin to go to the word, as they begin to open up your words of life, that their mind and their heart and their spirit is being quickened and coming alive right now, that that revelation power is working in their mind and in their heart and in their body right now.
You know, and if you're in a moment right now where you're just saying, you know, this is really hard.
I know I've been there.
Been at my complete rock bottom to the last straw.
And it just, you have peace on the inside.
He's given it to you.
You can even lay hands on yourself and just speak to yourself, speak to your body and release peace, nothing broken, nothing lacking as you're in the middle of trusting him and taking Jesus's word above your circumstances.
Right now, I just release that.
The peace of Jesus right now over your mind and your body.
I thank you, God.
I thank you that it's working on their behalf right now.
Thank you, Jesus.
Thank you, Lord.
Hallelujah.
I thank you, God.
Revelation right now of speaking His word till it comes alive in your heart.
That as you're speaking His words, that they're working and your body is responding.
That faith comes by hearing and hearing the word of God, but more than ever, that you have a revelation of love.
More than anything, it's not because you can say, I've prayed, I fast, I've read the word.
Yes, you need those things to strengthen your heart and have a revelation of what you already attain, but it's when you understand how much Jesus loves you and you get into a place of surrendering and surrendering your life and just beginning to function in the very thing that you already attain.
You don't let the enemy talk you down from your identity.
You don't let him talk you down from what you are.
You are a child of God.
You are an heir to the throne.
You are seated in heavenly places right now.
And when you come, it says, When two is touching anything, Jesus is in the midst.
But more so what it says, when two come in my name, it's in his name.
So when you come in the name of Jesus, when you bring things in the name of Jesus, he is there, he is in the midst, and he says, I will do it.
But when it comes to healing, oh, yeah, that's already provided.
He's already provided it for you.
So now you're just getting into an agreement and you're talking to your body because sometimes your body just needs a minute to catch up.
So I thank you, Lord, for peace and that revelation of knowing what is provided for them right now.
Hallelujah.
Hallelujah.
Oh, we thank you, Lord, right now that it is provided.
It is bought and paid for.
You don't have to strive.
It's not because of what you do, but it is because of what He has done for you.
I thank you, Jesus.
Thank you, Lord.
Amen.
You have faced death and you've seen heaven.
What is the message you feel like God is telling you for the next generation?
Oh, absolutely.
So, really, again, I know I keep talking on this, but it's not until you have a revelation.
And someone's like, well, how do I do that?
How do I get?
You have to spend time.
You actually have to give the Lord time.
It's, you know, when I first met my husband, I wasn't like in, yes, I'm going to run down, you know, the aisle right now.
You need time to get to know him.
You need time of that, you know, revelation power.
You need time of the eyes of your understanding opening.
I don't know about any of you guys, but there's been times I've read scriptures a hundred times.
And then all of a sudden I'll read it again.
And it comes so to life that you need to give it that time where you're spending with him.
You need to fall in love.
That's that was my wit's end in dialysis when I finally came to the Lord and said, I've prayed, I fast, I take communion.
And I said, What is it?
What do you want from me, Lord?
And that's when the Holy Spirit said, You're saying, I, I, I, I.
And that's great because it does build up your most holy faith when you're praying in tongues, you're taking it.
But he said, get to know me.
Don't get to know me topically.
He said, Heather, come and get to know me.
And so I thank the Lord that I had just enough time.
I had time in dialysis where I scrapped everything and I went back to my first love.
I went back to falling in love with Jesus so much.
that the reports that even when they were coming to me, I saw myself healed in my heart and in my mind before it ever manifested.
The doctors would come with the worst reports.
I was probably 80 pounds, soaking wet.
I was gaunt.
I was white, but I mean, pale as pale.
And I saw myself healed and whole in my heart before it ever came to pass.
But once I crossed over into faith and my heart being so fully persuaded of what I had in Jesus and what was provided for me in my covenant and my surrender, I was so much in love with him.
It truly was the song, turning your eyes to Jesus until this world grows strangely dim.
And I would say for this generation, get to know him.
Get to know him in the power of his resurrection.
The same power that raised Christ Jesus from the dead resides in you on the inside.
You do not serve a dead God.
You are not powerless.
You have Christ Jesus.
Encourage Support Nori Media 00:02:51
You have the creator of the universe.
Breathe, the very breath of God resides on the inside of you.
You've got to know him and know that he loves you and there's nothing you can do to change his mind about you.
He is for you.
He is always looking in every way possible to getting a connection point of healing to you, just like with the woman with the issue of blood.
If I could only touch the hem, she knew touching that authority that she's received it.
Same as blind Bartimaeus, the minute they heard Jesus, they knew they would receive.
You just need to get to know him.
He loves you and he's for you.
That's a good word.
Friends, that is a word for you today.
Take hold of that today.
Listen, if you haven't given your life to Jesus, there's never been a better day than today.
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We have an operator who would love to pray with you.
We'll get you in touch with our pastoral staff.
We'll help you find a good Bible-believing church in your area because I believe unity during this time is critical, friend.
You have to be around those who support the same things you support.
That's the gospel of Jesus Christ.
Those who say, you know what, we're standing on the word of God in this time and we're not wavering.
No matter what the culture says, no matter what your family says, no matter what your business says, no matter what your government says, I choose to stand on the word of God and not shake from it.
Heather, I want to say thank you for being on the broadcast with us today.
Friends, I encourage you to get the book.
Go to our Nori Media affiliate.
You can see it right there, Unlocking Heaven's Truth with Heather Z. What I experience between life and death.
Friends, call that number today.
It's 1-888-988-1588.
You can see in the background of her set right there, it says josephze.com.
I encourage you, go to their website, see everything they're doing and support their ministry.
They're really doing the hands and the heart work of Jesus around the United States and around the world right now.
So, friends, go and support people who are doing what the Bible said to do, who are actually fulfilling the call of God on their life.
And I believe that's what Joseph and Heather Z are doing in this time.
Order this book, our Nori Media Affiliate.
We want to say thank you for being on the broadcast.
And friends, never forget this.
Don't let anybody convince you otherwise.
God loves you.
He really does.
Bye-bye for today.
Thank you so much.
We'll see you next time.
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