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Nov. 14, 2025 - Jim Bakker Show
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The Jim Bakker Show with Pastor Juan Martinez Part 3
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Processing With God 00:14:30
Welcome to the Jim Baker Family Show.
Our special guest is Pastor Juan Martinez.
Our co-host today is Reverend Mondo de la Vega.
And now, here is your host, Pastor Ricky Baker.
Today we're going to be talking about that's crazy.
No, that's God.
You actually did that for our church.
He said, every time I say that's crazy, you're going to say, no, that's God.
Our church, they did it.
Hey, come on, I loved it.
I want it to spread, man.
I want it to spread.
I want us to see that God works in the daily.
And not, you know, I want us to look at, you know, God can be working, you know, every single day of your life.
If you choose, you remember in 2 Kings when he says, you know, he's telling them, hey, open your eyes to see what's already there.
See what is already there because he thinks he's alone.
And so there's things, it's not what we think is suddenly, it's not really suddenly suddenly to you, but God's been working behind the scenes.
That's right.
And God is working every single day of our lives.
And when we could see, again, and you're going to get tired of hearing me say this, the little things.
That's it.
Then you'll see God working, you know, because we get so caught up with the outcome that we miss Jesus and what he's doing now, right?
We're complaining about what isn't and what I don't have and where I should be because you're looking at all this stuff and you're seeing this guy and you don't know, hey, you don't know, you see, looking at the size of his harvest, but you don't know how much he's sown throughout the years, right?
You don't know how many tears he's had.
You don't know all the little things he had to do well.
You're just seeing this point.
So that's what your go-to is.
And it's like, you can't do that.
You got to kind of go to the Lord and see where you're at, what season you're in.
Maybe you're in a learning season.
Maybe you're in a season where you need discipleship and accountability.
You can't be, you just can't look at the show and go, I want to sit at the table.
Okay, well, first you have to go through all the years.
Oh, listen, you talk about moments.
I remember, you know, with Pastor Jim, you know, he's in the morning, he would say, hey, we're going to go to a prophetic roundtable.
And I got excited.
Oh, man, I'm going to be around all the prophets.
I got my best suit and my best shoes and cologne and extra little things.
As we get ready to walk into that door, he puts his hand on my chest and says, no, you're going to wait outside.
You're not ready to go in there.
Now, that was the time where there was no social media where you can be on your phone.
And I asked him, well, what do you want me to do?
You're going to sit out here and you're going to pray for us.
And I spent two, three hours waiting.
Did I get disappointed?
Absolutely.
My heart broke.
I cried.
I felt like God didn't like me.
But it was in that moment, that little moment that prepared me for five years later, now I was invited to go in the room.
But in the room, I was not allowed to speak in the room.
I was told to sit in the back and listen.
And later in my life, I got an invitation last year to now sit at the table to say something.
Come on.
It was in the moments in the process of the waiting, what makes no logic to you, what makes no sense to you.
God is preparing you in the process.
That's why you can serve under a 28-year-old and not be offended.
And I mean that.
And I want to tell you something.
I love this kid right here.
I love him because he listens to the voice of God.
And I told you and your wife the other day, and I'll say it publicly because I want you to know what you mean to me.
I said, I don't mind serving under a 28-year-old.
You did.
Right?
Did I say that?
Yeah, you said that.
Because when God puts you through a season, he gets the ego out of the way and sets you to learn to serve in areas.
Now, that God called me to do, of course.
But when you're under God's order, God prepares the moment to say, now it's time to serve.
This is what I know about Ricky.
Are you willing to sow the way he sows?
Are you willing to give up family time the way he gives up family time, right?
Absolutely.
That's crazy.
Yeah.
No.
No, that's God.
Yeah, that's pretty accurate.
What do you say to somebody?
While you're talking, that question pops in my mind.
I believe it's for someone watching right now.
You know, both of you, I think both of you think you'd answer this really adequately because you've been in those moments where it's that's crazy and you realize now, oh my goodness, that was God.
That was a hard time.
What do you say to someone who has walked the walk with Christ and they feel alone still?
Man, you know, I'm a firm believer of this.
I'm a firm believer in accountability.
I'm a firm believer in community, like big time.
Right?
Like, I know sometimes now it's like, oh, we watch it live.
Yeah.
But I'm like, no, no, no, you need community.
And I always say this, you know, when we talk to marriages or people, I'll say, hey, you got to think of it this way.
So, you know, let's say they're having big issues.
I go, you're like, and it's going to go to what you're asking.
Okay.
So I'm like, you're 700 pounds, right?
So you're 700 pounds and you need to, we're going to trim you down where you want to be, you know, but I'm saying this spiritually, right?
And they're saying, wow, about 170, you know, they go along with it.
And I go, great.
So I'm going to have to change your diet plan.
Right?
You're going to have to exercise.
Now I'm talking about exercising the word and giving you a diet plan in the word.
And then I go, look, in the beginning, you don't see results.
So you need me to tell you you're doing great.
And you're going to have to trust that I'm telling you that you're doing great.
Now, once they get to a place when they look in the mirror and they see it, they're off to the races.
So when a person is alone, I would say that wise counsel, if you don't have accountability and you don't have people, because obviously we could go to the word and that should encourage, you know, David encouraged himself.
That's right.
But sometimes there are moments when you can't and you need those that have wise counsel.
Now, a person that wise counsel has wisdom.
Wisdom starts with the fear of the Lord.
That's right.
Right.
So if you fear the Lord is the beginning of wisdom, which is not just the start, it's the foundation of everything.
Okay.
So you have to go to some people who have fear of the Lord and actually have obtained wisdom.
That's what makes them wise counsel from the Lord, not just anybody, because they will give you opinion and lead you and get you more messed up, right?
So you got to find some people.
And I believe at that point, when you're feeling alone, you go around that community, you find that accountability, even if it's ones that can constantly tell you, hey, you're doing okay.
You're doing good.
Keep walking it out.
Because if we don't have that, we can get in our head.
You know, my wife always tells people, look, isolation is the devil's pretty much a counseling session.
Wow.
So, you know, when you're around community, you can get counsel, wise counsel from the Holy Spirit.
But when you isolate, that is where the enemy begins to counsel you.
That is where the enemy begins to sound good.
Wow.
Now, it's not sound, but it sounds good.
So it's just enough truth to get you to think, well, this is right.
Wow.
And I know we've all struggled.
I mean, I have in the past, you know, as a pastor, sometimes or as a, you have this calling on your life and you try your best to do stuff.
And sometimes it's never enough.
And people put stuff on you, right?
Where they're like, well, you're not doing this.
You're not.
You're trying.
And you get to these moments where you have a random day and I'll hear a whisper that says, man, nobody's calling you.
Look, you're all by yourself.
And I have to kind of like really process that through the word because emotions are just indicators of what's going on in your heart.
So when I feel a certain way, I just don't go feel, react.
I feel, pause, go to the Lord, ask for wisdom.
Then I respond to what the word says.
And that's the key indicator and stuff.
When you're feeling anything, alone, fear, anything you could be feeling, feelings, God gave them to you, just to indicate of what's happening in your heart.
The minute I pause and I go to the Lord, the Lord begins to speak to me.
He's like, no, Juan, you're not alone.
There's a whole lot of you.
You can pick up the phone and call somebody else.
They might be going through something.
And so you start getting the right perspective.
And when you live from a perspective of truth, You always wind up in a beautiful place, the peace that surpasses the understanding of man.
But if you're actually led by your feelings or by what you think or the whispers of the enemy because you've been isolating yourself, then that usually brings destruction and your way of doing things, which also ultimately destroy who you are.
That's right.
Peace is supernatural, totally.
I mean, we've known that.
I mean, when you're going through a storm and even in good moments, peace is still supernatural.
Mondo, I know you have a perspective on that too.
I think one of the keys that I found throughout my process of my development with God was to learn to listen.
Number one, number two, what you do with your time counts.
That's good.
How you develop in time in the process of time is the outcome of what you're going to become in the Lord.
Most people don't cherish their time when they're going through the process.
What do we do?
The first thing is we try to go and get verification from a friend.
We try to get valued by another thing.
Now, people don't spend time with the Lord.
They scroll.
They get on their phone hoping that a sermon.
No, it's not about a sermon.
That's what I'm looking for.
If you get distracted, you get isolated.
And the moment you get isolated, now you can't listen, right?
I had to learn the hard way how to die to self, how to yield to self and process what is, how am I accomplishing my time in his timing?
Meaning this, can you learn to align with God?
Going back to serving under Ricky, this is the thing.
If I'm going to serve under Ricky, I cannot have my own mindset and go this way and he goes that way.
So what do I do?
God, let me hear what he's hearing.
Let me see what he's seeing.
Therefore, now I can put my time into process by spending time with the Lord and not be idle with my words, right?
Because you can get lost in the transition of being lonely.
Now you can be alone and not lonely.
Yeah.
Write that down.
You can be alone, but not lonely when you're under his will in alignment with what he wants you to be aligned with, right?
You said it perfectly.
Perspective changes the view because we can be in the same building yet have two different perspectives.
Ricky is trying to communicate something with me, but if his perspective is here and mine is here, what happens?
We're out of alignment.
Now, most people, Ricky, they're going to try to bring you down to their level.
No, what you have to do is humble yourself and get to the level what God wants you to do.
But it's in that humility where you will see what he wants you to see.
He will allow you to hear what you need to hear, but it's in yielding and humility by, you said it perfectly.
Again, I keep saying that, but it's die to yourself.
Yeah, denying.
Because the first thing you have to do is deny.
You cannot die unless you deny.
Because first you have to deny.
It says deny yourself.
That's right.
Carry your cross and follow me.
That's right.
So the denying part is knowing what to say no to.
This is where I'm like, no, I don't want to know.
Because Jesus would say no to that.
So there's a denying of yourself before you die to what, because when you grab a hold of what God wants you to do and you're going to follow him, there's a dying there, right?
Another thing we always talk about is like in those perspectives, because most, you know, we use the lingo of like live from victory or live from, which is accurate.
But most say it and don't live from it.
In other words, like peace, joy, all of those things are a byproduct of the Spirit of God.
So when you, you know, when I have, because we've all been at a place where I've been somewhere where I should have had peace, because we, it says peace that surpasses the understanding of man.
That's right.
We try to attribute it to, hey, I have, hey, you're taking my peace.
And I usually ask people, so we're taking Jesus?
We're taking Jesus.
We're taking Jesus from you.
I mean, I do.
I joke around.
I go, so Jesus left.
They go, well, no, you know what I mean.
And I'm like, no, listen to what you're saying.
So you think that peace is just if we all get quiet in here, that that's peace.
That is an inside job.
So when you can get quiet in your mind, will and emotions in how you think, your desires, and how you feel with the Lord, and you can process that through the word, you get a peace that surpasses the understanding of man.
I've been on a beach and not been peaceful and been in the middle of chaos and had total peace.
Yeah.
So how does that work?
You know what I mean?
I've been over there.
That's the holy things.
You know, like, oh, that's crazy.
That's crazy.
No, that's God.
No, that's what.
But that's when, if we're just attributing, that's why people go to marijuana, they go to drinking, they go to sex, they go to all these things that bring a false peace, a false sense of peace, because we keep thinking it's external things.
But when a person has joy, you know, people that I see without joy, and I go, hey, well, what would make you super happy?
Getting this, they go, oh, well, you know, I'm like, this, what is it that would make you wake up in the morning and go like, wow, my life is amazing.
Because, you know, I know a brother that you said this, but then you're still not happy.
You said this, but you're still not happy.
So you're trying to find it in external things.
All of these things, peace, joy, patience, it's an internal thing.
When I am at, you know, I couldn't love Ruthie until I can pretty much have a relationship with God and be okay with life.
If not, Ruthie would be my savior.
Wow.
Are you with me?
I had to be okay with Jesus.
So my acceptance comes from the Lord.
That's good.
Right.
My security comes from the Lord.
My identity comes from the Lord.
My purpose comes from the Lord.
If not, I'm going to expect that from people around me.
And this is where most people have issues.
That the supernatural thing is to really have your identity in Christ.
Then you don't have to be in everything else.
It doesn't matter if your title changes, as long as you're a son.
Your acceptance can come from somebody else.
That's good.
It'll create a big problem.
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It will create, this is why he is the living water that you will never thirst again.
That's right.
But when you are drinking from every other well, trying to find what only God can meet in your deepest needs, then you start falling apart.
I want to talk about chapter nine in your book.
That's crazy.
No, that's God.
You wrote, Living a Life of Expectation.
Hey, that's my chapter, man.
What is that?
Tell me what that means.
If someone's watching it now, they're saying, well, how do I live a life of expectation?
I've been hurt so much.
I've been battered, beaten, bruised.
You know, I've expected and I've been disappointed so many times.
How do I continue to live a life of expectation?
Let me tell you something.
So in the first book, I had bought these shoes.
Okay.
I think you remember them.
I think I won them on your show.
They were like ruby red.
You know, they had all these badass, right?
And I just wanted these shoes.
And I wanted them as a gift to myself for coming out with the book.
And so I got blessed with the shoes.
Okay.
Now, when I got the shoes, the Lord told me not to put them on, to put them on the top of the closet.
So this is a project that took me a lot longer than these two.
Okay.
It's my first book doing this stuff.
So I put it on the closet.
Now I could see the shoes and I knew they were mine, but I couldn't put them on yet because the Lord told me not to.
He said, when you finish the book, this project's taking me, I mean, we know many years.
He's like, when you finish, you put on the shoes.
And so I'm like, oh, what a conundrum.
Because I see it.
I know it's there.
No, it belongs to you.
I know it belongs to me, but I can't obtain it yet-ish because I am waiting to do something that the Lord told me to do.
So I believe my expectation is the same way.
When I, I'm not looking at the outcome because I really don't know the outcome.
I don't know if I'm going to be here.
I don't know if I'm going to be an author.
I don't know.
I'm just doing what the Lord is telling me to do.
When I'm moving in the direction of something that I believe God told me, there's a word scripture that I'm anchored to that that is the promise.
The expectation comes from knowing that the promise is true and is unshakable, unfallible.
I know that that is going to intervene in whatever it is that I am walking out.
Now, I don't know what it looks like.
I'm a little nervous.
I'm walking anyway.
I think you talked about parachuting when you were doing your thing.
Man, it ain't just, whoa, you know, you got a cannonball, right?
I'm thinking the first time, right?
I mean, help me out here.
The first time, are you just like, I'm going to do this?
Or are you like, what?
I have no, I do not remember my first jump.
My brain jumped autopilot.
So, yeah, I'm thinking it's probably a little nerve-wracking.
I was scared, though.
I did it scared.
You did it scared.
And that is the thing that we do in faith.
I think a lot of times fear paralyzes us.
And when we're thinking about expectation, we're like, it's not fast enough.
It's not this.
That's not how you're supposed to be thinking.
Most of the thinking of people who have anxiety is because you're not praying.
You're anxious because it says, if you have anxiety, pray about everything.
The truth is that if we focus on the praying and releasing heaven on earth, because that's the exchange of prayer, it isn't pray for the things, right?
If we're following the prayer, the design, our father, so you're honoring who you're talking to.
You're coming to him in reverence, right?
Who are in heaven, hallowed be thy name.
Thy kingdom come on earth as it is in heaven.
So that's what basically prayer is about.
And when it's not about me, my expectations are always there.
When it becomes about me, that's when everything starts getting messed up.
When we live a selfish lifestyle and you're thinking everything you're doing for God is about you and not for his glory, that's where everything starts getting tainted.
So to the person that's out there that is looking for expectations, but they're self-willed and selfish, you're probably going through a lot.
But not because God did that to you.
You're doing that to yourself.
You're pretty much in a place where you're like wigging out because things are not happening in your timeline or for what you want.
But God might be taking you through that journey.
Not even, remember, he took the children of Israel around so that they wouldn't face the Philistines for the war.
That's good.
So, hey, they're ready.
He's like, you ain't ready.
I'm going to take you way this way, the long way, which could have been, you know, they thought this was the shortcut, but it probably would have taken them longer and they probably would have had to keep because they would have lost the battle.
So God will do things based on your maturity.
And when we start thinking that the journey in this life is me as a son and God as the father, making me mature so that I could bear fruit so that others can eat from the tree of the fruit that you're bearing.
That's good.
Then it changes the trajectory of how you think.
You know, whether I live in an apartment, a house, whether I'm on TV or not on TV, if I'm a pastor or not a pastor, I'm still a son.
You're still a son.
Yeah.
And those expectations come from knowing that I have a loving father.
Amen.
Are you with me?
Amen.
So I think that the perspectives change.
I think we're frustrated because we're selfish.
That's a good word.
We're frustrated because we're selfish.
And it's like, you don't think God is God perfect?
Does he love you?
That's really good.
Do you know that he has a plan for you?
I feel like a lot of people don't want to face that reality.
No, because then you have to admit fault.
You have to admit fault.
You have to say, man, this whole time it's been selfish.
I've been the problem.
I want to be that guy.
Well, I thought we were doing these things.
Look, failure, I think we talked about failure and nothing.
Failure from a worldly perspective is you failed.
You're no good.
You're thrown away.
Failure from a biblical perspective and when we're following the spirit, failure is forming you into the image of God.
Wow.
Every step is forming you.
Every step, every refining fire is for Jesus to be revealed.
That's good.
Are you with me?
So the whole perspective is a shift.
We're not supposed to be having expectations like the world.
Doesn't mean you don't dream.
That's right.
Doesn't mean you don't think.
It just means you live like this.
But when your perspective shifts, that's when you can have those.
That's crazy moments.
Absolutely.
And in here, you talk about something right here in the middle of the book, page 70.
It's called Night Out with Jesus.
I want to show everyone what's happening right now.
Check what's happening.
Started in Spring, Texas, and now it's going to the world.
this out something's happening across the streets of America It's not a program.
It's not a strategy.
It's not a campaign.
It's a movement because love has officially broke out of the building.
Love is actually on the loose.
We call it Night Out with Jesus.
It's not about a title or church name.
It's about people who believe that Jesus still walks the streets, still heals the broken, still feeds the hungry, and still finds the one who's lost at the gas pump, in the grocery store, or sitting on the sidewalk.
Everywhere we go, miracles happen.
Say it with me.
That's crazy.
No, that's God.
The kingdom of God isn't stuck inside the four walls of a church.
It's breaking out into the neighborhoods, parking lots, pizza shops, and street corners.
Groceries are being paid for.
Tears are turning into joy.
Addictions are losing their grip.
The lonely feel seen in the gospel.
The good news comes alive in real time.
This is what we like to call revival with sneakers on.
Wherever we go, he goes before us.
Jesus didn't just teach in the synagogues.
He sat with the outcast.
This is the move.
This is the moment.
This is your invitation to come out with us.
To step into the story that God is writing.
Be the hands, be the feet, be the light.
This is Night Out With Jesus, and the streets will never be the same.
Friends, that's Night Out With Jesus.
That is just a small portion of the story of that's crazy.
No, that's God.
I want to encourage you today, go get this book as well.
It's called Prison Break.
It is a 21-day devotional to spiritual freedom.
You say often you spent a lot of years of your life incarcerated, 10 behind physical bars.
And what do you say?
13 behind bars you placed around your own heart.
So people at our church were getting these two books in tandem together like this.
And you were saying, hey, go through this one, take 21 days, really get yourself right with the Lord, and then read this one as well.
If somebody wants to order both books today, I mean, they can do that.
They can go to the website, go through this 21-day devotional, and then read, that's crazy.
No, that's God.
Absolutely.
That first book right here, this first book, the prison break one, it's a devotional, right?
You want to do one day at a time.
There's questions.
You want to answer all the questions.
You want to become aware.
That's right.
You know, it says, Holy Spirit, what are you saying to me?
That's so important to ask.
You want the Holy Spirit to breathe on your questions.
Don't just breeze through it.
You know, we don't tell you.
This is not about information.
This book is about transformation.
This book, page by page, will help you become aware.
Belief drives behavior.
It'll show you what you actually believe.
I had a lady that posted a thing.
She said she was on day three for like four or five days.
She was 90 years old and she was like, I'm finally free.
I want you to think about that statement.
Like, how can we have this crazy mask?
How can you listen to the nudge?
How can you, with all the noise in this planet, you have to be free.
You have to be free.
He sets us free out of Egypt.
Then he shows you who you are in your awareness in the wilderness season.
That's good.
Boom, promised land.
That's good.
So we got to get out of Egypt.
Amen.
And so God wants to set you free of whatever you're in, any bondage you're in, any stronghold you're in, any of these things, the spirit of fear holding you captive, right?
We just went through Halloween.
Everybody thinks that's just a feeling.
No, it's a spirit.
And the world is celebrating the spirit of fear.
And we're like, yeah, I want horror movies.
And it's like, oh my, did you know what you're doing?
And it's like, no, got to break free from these things before you can step into this.
God wants you to have the right perspective.
Amen.
He wants to fix that perspective.
Come on.
So I encourage you, go get Prison Break today as well as That's Crazy.
Know That's God.
What an incredible book.
Friends, I encourage you as well.
We're working right now with you.
You have a company, a clothing line called Hevikins.
Hevikins.
And you made this sword right here.
It says, Make America Born Again.
I thought I'd wear it today.
You know, typically I try to dress up, look as good as Mondo.
Sometimes Mondo looks great.
And you know, I thought, you know what?
I'm going to put this on.
I'm going to wear this because I believe in this message.
It's not a political statement.
Friends, it's a salvation statement.
We want everyone in the United States of America, as well as worldwide, to be born again, to know Jesus Christ as their personal Lord and Savior.
Why?
Because that's what Jesus died for.
He died for the whosoever will.
Whoever would say yes to the call of God on their life.
And friends, I believe that's you, your household, your family, your coworkers, the people in your state, your city.
I believe that is for you.
Let's make America born again.
But that takes all of us being the hands and heart, the feet of Jesus, going out there and telling people, you know what?
There's a real God.
His name is Jesus Christ, and he loves you.
He loves you so much, he died on a cross for you.
He bore all your sin, your shame, your guilt, everything bad that you would ever do in your life.
He wore it at that moment and he died with it.
But friends, not like Muhammad, he didn't stay in the ground, not like Buddha, he didn't stay in the ground, not like all these other false gods.
He didn't stay in the ground.
He rose up again the third day under the power of his own spirit.
And friends, he sits at the right hand of the Father, making constant intercession for you.
You have a high priest praying for you, thinking about you every single day.
I say this to our church every once in a while.
I said, imagine you went to a church with 3 billion members, billion with a bee, and the pastor walked up directly to you and he said, hey, brother Juan, I'm praying for you today.
You'd feel like the most important person in the entire world, a member of 3 billion people.
Well, friends, Christ thinks about you every single day.
He thinks about you, wherever you are.
You may be feeling alone today.
You may be feeling lost.
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You may be feeling, I have a lot of that's crazy moments, but I don't have a lot of that's God moments.
But I'll tell you right now, the Bible says that God will work everything out for the good of those who love him and are called according to his purpose.
Call our number today.
It's 1-888-988-1588.
Scan the QR code on the screen or go to ptl.tv or jimbakershow.com.
Pastor Juan Martinez, I want to say thank you for being on the broadcast with us today.
Friends, watch the Mondo show.
He's going to be airing there on the World Harvest Network.
Go and get these two books.
And friends, I think there's going to be maybe hopefully another surprise coming soon about another book.
You want to watch this?
Remember this, friends.
God loves you.
He really does.
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